Another Day, Another GOP Sellout

Executive amnesty supporting Loretta Lynch will get a floor vote to be Attorney General thanks to the GOP.

By a vote of 12 to 8, the committee approved the nomination of Lynch, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, as the first African-American woman to take the reins of the Justice Department. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced in September that he would step down as soon as the Senate approved a new nominee.

Sens. Orrin G. hosta (R-Utah), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) voted with the committee’s nine Democrats to approve Lynch’s nomination. Several Republicans on the committee, including Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Sen. John Cornyn (Tex.), said they would oppose the nomination because of President Obama’s executive action on immigration.

I think Tom Tills (R-NC) didn't vote. Not sure if he was stuck in the snow or was simply ducking. Either way, she could and should have been defeated in committee.

Well, the GOP majority can simply refuse to bring her to the floor for a vote, right? Yes, McConnell could do that but he's already said he will bring her nomination to the floor.

So conservatives can filibuster her and force Democrats to find 60 votes, right? Nope. Reid eliminated that last year and even though he complained about how horrible it was, McConnell didn't put it back in place. Why, it's almost as if he didn't want conservatives to be able to cause him any headaches. Almost.

Clearly there are enough sellout Republicans willing to snuggle up to Obama to get her through.

Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:03 PM




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1 Gotta elect those squishy moderates so we can control the nomination process!!

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:05 PM (fwARV)

2 Another shitty day of news...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:07 PM (Bn6aD)

3 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:07 PM (kff5f)

4 IwFB

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:07 PM (evdj2)

5 Gah.

You know, I've put forth that one of the defenses for still voting GOP no matter what is control of the committees.

STOP MAKING ME LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT GOP! I DO NOT NEED THE HELP, OKAY?

Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at February 26, 2015 12:07 PM (mf5HN)

6
Sellout?

A sellout implies that they got something in return for their treachery.

The Republicans aren't selling out...they're giving it all away.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (hbvPW)

7 Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?

There are a few extra knives in our backs, now.

So that's something.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (kff5f)

8 Elections have consequences---or not.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (VcOqI)

9 Jeff Sessions needs to form a new party.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (evdj2)

10 Jeff Flake talked a good game when he was in the House and when he was running for the senate seat, but he has turned out to be mini-McCain on every issue that comes along just like Miss Lindsay and old Borin' Orrin is just a senile rubber stamp for any nominee the president wants. If Barry had nominated Bernie Dohrn, Hatch would have found a way to justify voting for her.

Posted by: huerfano at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (bAGA/)

11 Swell bunch of fellows that Judiciary Committee.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (LA7Cm)

12 You know, I've put forth that one of the defenses for still voting GOP no matter what is control of the committees.

It's getting a lot harder...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (Bn6aD)

13 "Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?"

Uh, we've looked incompetent and divided? Oh, you were looking for positive changes...

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (UYyuS)

14 Obamacare could have been killed in committee as well.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (MYCIw)

15 This got stomped, so..., one more time, the McConnell strategy, in a single cartoon:
http://tinyurl.com/lp6nefe

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (l1zOH)

16 I'm leaving this Country---and I will not look back.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (VcOqI)

17 "RUN, LINDSEY, RUN!!!!"

This is on an endless loop in his head, you know.

Posted by: Bill Nye, Credentialed Idiot at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (659DL)

18 "Elections have consequences---or not. "



I think there are consequences here......just not the ones hoped for nor expected.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (LA7Cm)

19
You know, I'm starting to think that the Republicans are okay with obama's agenda..

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (hbvPW)

20 Vote "Si" for Bush to bring this type of bipartisan cooperation to Washington in 2016!

Posted by: Your Nominee Jeb Bush at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (Tj+s6)

21 Jeff Sessions needs to form a new party.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (evdj2)


Yes. This.

Add in Ted Cruz, Allen West, Mike Lee, and others.
Get the Kochs on board (they've got to be pissed at some of this stuff) for funding.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (kff5f)

22 Sorry Drew, I'm not done tweet ranting:

Turns out FCC actually stands for Fascist Commie Censors.
#NetNeutrality

Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (cbfNE)

23 Setting aside amnesty for just a second, Lynch's record on civil forfeiture is atrocious. Are you telling me we can't find one or two dems to help us out on that?

Well then, we're boned.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) and his daughter at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (HDwDg)

24 Jeff Sessions needs to form a new party.

He needs to be the Dreadlord's running mate.

Posted by: Bill Nye, Credentialed Idiot at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (659DL)

25 , what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?

You expected a difference? Silly boy.

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:10 PM (sWgE+)

26 What difference has a GOP majority made so far?

Other than convincing me that my vote for them is worthless and that there is no real way for me to affect my children's future positively through the political process?

And to also convince me that it is time to ignore all things political and to double down on just making sure I have a very defensible bolt-hole to run to when American collapses, fully stocked with all the necessities for the end of the world?

That's the difference.

BTW, you're all invited to the Sharkman End O' The Republic Bolt-Hole and Redoubt, but you gotta bring your own guns, likker, and freeze-dried vittles. Plenty of room for ever'body.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2015 12:11 PM (72D6h)

27 23 Setting aside amnesty for just a second, Lynch's record on civil forfeiture is atrocious. Are you telling me we can't find one or two dems to help us out on that?

Yeah She sucks, but obama would just put another commie up for nomination so...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:11 PM (Bn6aD)

28 #9 Jeff Sessions has been overrun. A voice of disbelief is all that remains.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 12:11 PM (VcOqI)

29 Fcuk Leslie. Thank God Tillis ducked the vote. Disappointed he didn't vote against her, but it would not have mattered.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:12 PM (0FSuD)

30 Mike Castle and Dick Lugar would have saved us. Nyuk nyuk.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 26, 2015 12:12 PM (W5DcG)

31 Brad Thor @BradThor 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: Obama to ban bullets by executive action: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750 #2A

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

32 Obama on the 2014 election results: "I won."

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (VcOqI)

33 Jeff was just reelected, running unopposed. He can say or do anything he wants and keep his seat. I want him even more out front.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (evdj2)

34 In honor of our daily rage stroke...

http://tinyurl.com/mc2wuum

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (MYCIw)

35 Anybody still supporting the GOPe?

C'mon, where are our GOPe shills?

Anyone? Buehler?

Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (7ObY1)

36 not all bullets, obviously

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

37 31 Brad Thor @BradThor 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: Obama to ban bullets by executive action: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750 #2A

Saw that... didn't want to ad to the crap by mentioning it...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (Bn6aD)

38 Cornyn must have died a little inside when he voted against Lynch. Who forced him to do that?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (zauWW)

39 Time to stop using words like "sellout."

Sellout implies they got a better offer AFTER we paid them.

They were never ours in the first place, they belonged to the other side BEFORE we voted them into power.

So the question is, when do we stop acting like these are our representatives, and start treating them like the enemy?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (TOk1P)

40 Are you telling me we can't find one or two dems to help us out on that?

Dems vote against a black woman?
Shirley, you jest.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (W5DcG)

41 "Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?"

My prediction from last year was that with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, everything would work pretty much as it had under Harry Reid, except that every last tiny crick up a holler in backwoods Kentucky was suddenly going to sport a billion-dollar federal dam project.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (noWW6)

42

something something hill ... something something die

Posted by: imp at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (/ogTa)

43 Today sucks. The world works opposite it seems.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (JO9+V)

44 32 Obama on the 2014 election results: "I won."


The GOPe to the Democrats on the 2016 election results:

"We won, which really means YOU WIN"

We are so fcuked.

Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (7ObY1)

45 "BREAKING: Obama to ban bullets by executive action: "

Sounds reasonable.

Posted by: GOP at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (MYCIw)

46 Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

O_o

o_O

!

AtC: An Profanity Laced Rant is forthcoming.

Yes. It's going to be a long one.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (kff5f)

47
Southern Costa Rica---that's where I'm headed.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (VcOqI)

48 Jeff Flake needs to face a primary. I'm absolutely disgusted with him, he has fully taken off the mask and is basically a La Raza Republican.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (YalUx)

49 Thank God Tillis ducked the vote. Disappointed he didn't vote against her, but it would not have mattered.
Posted by: Nip
----------------

It matters to me.
Why are you thankful ("Thank God") that he "ducked the vote"?

What is there to be thankful for? His political career?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (l1zOH)

50 No red state RINOS or Donkeys in the Senate. There are more red states than blue states. How hard is this to figure out? The RINOS and Donkeys need to be targeted and wiped the cufk out at the local and state level. In the end all politics is local. It comes down to precinct control.


Posted by: An Observation at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (ylhEn)

51 @31

Ordered 2,000 rounds two weeks ago. On there way.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (0FSuD)

52 Anybody still supporting the GOPe?



C'mon, where are our GOPe shills?



Anyone? Buehler?





Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (7ObY1)


Now that you mention it, I haven't seen Hollowhead's nic around here in a while.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (TOk1P)

53 I was told elections had consequences.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (ntuyY)

54 Why, it's almost as if he didn't want conservatives to be able to cause him any headaches. Almost.

We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (0Ew3K)

55 It's 3 dimensional chess, obviously.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (A98Xu)

56 "36 not all bullets, obviously"

I don't think that's at all obvious.

Posted by: GOP at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (MYCIw)

57 Is it .308? The AR with a bigger round?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:16 PM (ntuyY)

58 To do list:

1) Take over internet
2) Ban bullets
3)
.
.
.
10) Declare self Caliph for Life

Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (cbfNE)

59 Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:13 PM (MYCIw)

I miss Waylon. Best country voice ever.

Posted by: Bill Nye, Credentialed Idiot at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (659DL)

60 I agree they lied to get elected, and I agree we have been sold out. I agree it was the plan all along.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (WNERA)

61 Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Sen. John Cornyn (Tex.), said they would
oppose the nomination because of President Obama's executive action on
immigration.



She is crooked as a snake. And yes, I fully expected the butt-boy brothers to allow her out. This is why I oppose RINOs from ANY State. They get on committees and screw us.


And I have no idea how butt-boy Lindsay made it through the primary in SC. There had to be some shenanigans going on.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (wlDny)

62 New GOP motto: "Not Even a Reacharound"

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (W9yI9)

63
what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?

--

They have made it easier for democrats to get what they want. Last year, the democrats had to stall everything, now they just tell the GOP what they want passed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (40li+)

64 At least we don't have any witches in the Senate.

Ace sleeps well.

Posted by: jwest at February 26, 2015 12:17 PM (9ZZd+)

65 I think McCain is a witch.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (ntuyY)

66 Dems vote against a black woman?

Shirley, you jest.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 26, 2015 12:14 PM (W5DcG)

Of course I'm being Shirley... and don't call me serious.

Posted by: Zombie Leslie Nielson at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (TOk1P)

67 Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (VcOqI)

Where are you planning to go to?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (DXzRD)

68 obama is sure defeated and withdrawn from his job..... Just sitting back and waiting for His term to end.... Nothing to fear from Him because He's not going to do anything....

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (Bn6aD)

69 I really like this Ajit Pai guy.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (JO9+V)

70 Time to stock up on 7.62 before the Dems remember about them.

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:19 PM (sWgE+)

71 Net Neutrality also seems designed to drive small ISPs out of business.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:19 PM (ZPrif)

72 Okay - can anyone make this NOT the hill to die on?

Obama to ban bullets by Executive Action
http://tinyurl.com/msg5qg5

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:19 PM (fwARV)

73 Stupid week-old sock

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 26, 2015 12:19 PM (659DL)

74 Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?
___
Well, my post-Senate career options have increased pretty damn significantly!

Do you know how much the Chamber of Commerce will pay at former Senate majority leader that gave them amnesty to do nothing for the rest of his life?

I tell you outside of having to kiss certain parts of Obama's anatomy this is a pretty sweet job.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 26, 2015 12:19 PM (78TbK)

75 Pai was on Mark Levin last week, without permission.
IIRC it was there I learned about the estimated 10 billion in tax revenue this regulation will bring.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:20 PM (WNERA)

76 "I miss Waylon. Best country voice ever."

Me too. Me too.

Posted by: GOP at February 26, 2015 12:20 PM (MYCIw)

77 14
Obamacare could have been killed in committee as well.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:09 PM (MYCIw)

The Dems had 60 votes for the initial pass on Obamacare.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 12:20 PM (wlDny)

78 Yeah, but look on the bright side. The GOP will repeal Sarbanes - Oxley any minute now.

Any.

Minute.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 26, 2015 12:20 PM (Q/1Jp)

79 Gitmo is still open.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:21 PM (ntuyY)

80 Where's the Martians when you need the Ack Dak!

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:21 PM (Bn6aD)

81
obama is sure defeated and withdrawn from his job..... Just sitting back and waiting for His term to end.... Nothing to fear from Him because He's not going to do anything....


Yep, obama sure is semi-retired and checked out...and he really hates his job..

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:21 PM (hbvPW)

82
What has the GOP done for you today? Lets see, voted for a new commie racist as DOJ head, allowing your internet to be given new controls and taxes, and allowing ammunition to be banned.

Although to be fair, the only went affirmative on the new racist DOJ. The rest was just bending over.

Oh and lets not forget the ball licking they will give to fund amnesty and obamacare.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 12:21 PM (ODxAs)

83 Is there any kind of explanation for the GOP consistently caving. I mean is there something that isn't apparent?
Are they that afraid of the media?
I Truly don't understand.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (XohZJ)

84
Graham, R-S.C., issued a statement this morning explaining his support for Lynch:

"Ms. Lynch is well-qualified and comes recommended by those who have dealt with her on both sides of the aisle. During her service as U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, she dealt with high profile terrorism cases and I believe she understands the national security threats we face."



"And those cheekbones are to DIE for!"


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (kdS6q)

85
oh, and everyone hates hillary clinton as much as we do so we can be really certain she'll never ever win the D nomination let alone the election

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (hbvPW)

86 10 billion in tax revenue this regulation will bring

Wow that's enough to still be statistical noise. Impressive.

And now, our inevitable citation of Ronaldus Magnus:

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (659DL)

87 Is it time the hoist the flag and start slitting throats yet?

Because I am getting damn tired of this shit.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (Fnyc2)

88 I think McCain is a witch.
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (ntuyY)


He's a whorelock.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (W5DcG)

89 They've got something on Graham.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (ntuyY)

90 Off horrible GOP sock.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (MYCIw)

91 85
oh, and everyone hates hillary clinton as much as we do so we can be really certain she'll never ever win the D nomination let alone the election

Yes and the unicorns are frolicking in My backyard as We speak...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (Bn6aD)

92 Listen gawd-dammit! This is not the hill to die on.

We must keep caving into Democrats because otherwise the press will say mean things about us.

Posted by: BuckIV at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (CLfqv)

93 83 Is there any kind of explanation for the GOP consistently caving.

--

Follow the money?

Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (cbfNE)

94 Is there any kind of explanation for the GOP consistently caving. I mean is there something that isn't apparent?

They are not who you think they are.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (ODxAs)

95 God Damn you Barack Obama you Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Malignant Traitor!

Fuck you up the fucking fuck hole sideways.

You pissant tyrant! You are not a fucking emperor you sorry sack of shit.

What fucking part of "shall not be infringed" is so fucking hard you simpering simpleton?

What part of freedom of the press and freedom to peaceably assemble is so fucking hard to understand?

And you, FCC, fuck you fuckers, too. You petty tyrants. You fucking evil pieces of offal. I DO NOT have to ask your fucking permission to state my opinion. You do not have the right to tell others what they can or cannot charge for access to a service they provide.

DHS? Damn you straight to hell you fucking cowards. You servants of Satan. You apologists for Moloch. Make sure the "voice of Muslims" is heard? I can hear them pretty fucking well you ignorant sluts. They're saying they want to kill me and those I care about.

Your *JOB* is to protect this country from them and their ilk, you miserable waste of Carbon.

And don't think you're getting away free, Republicans. Fuck you, you noodle-spined wimps. Two months into a newly minted majority and you just can't wait to stab Conservatives like me in the back. You sub-sentients, you can't see past your privilege. You cling to this temporary power like it's what matters. Meanwhile, you assist in dismantling the greatest country on earth.

Fuck all of you. Fuck you up the fucking fuck hole, you fucking fuckers.
With a rusty chainsaw. Sideways.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (kff5f)

96 So if we vote for the candidate with a D after his name we get higher taxes, Obamacare, amnesty, subsided abortion, etc.

And if we vote for the candidate with an R after his name we get higher taxes, Obamacare, amnesty, subsided abortion, etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (78TbK)

97 I think McCain is a witch.

Let's see if he floats.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (evdj2)

98 "I Truly don't understand."

It's really very simple. They agree with the Dems that we are the enemy.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (MYCIw)

99 72 Okay - can anyone make this NOT the hill to die on?

Obama to ban bullets by Executive Action
http://tinyurl.com/msg5qg5
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:19 PM (fwARV)


No one wants to die ALONE on a hill.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (WNERA)

100 What is there to be thankful for? His political career?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (l1zOH)

I don't know if he ducked the vote. US Airways shut down CLT last night at 9:00PM, he may still be in Huntersville, which got a whopping four inches of snow.
A freshman doesn't need to take a useless vote if he doesn't need to. His vote would not have mattered, since Leslie and Orran and Jeff had already sold out.

It IS called politics.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (0FSuD)

101 "BREAKING: Obama to ban bullets by executive action: "

Obama's FCC dispenses with the 1st Amendment.

Obama has personally dispensed with the 2nd Amendment.

Just waiting for him to start quartering troops any minute now...

Posted by: The 3rd Amendment Hat at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (0Ew3K)

102 @AjitPaiFCC is doing a great job here.

The FCC classifying broadband as a Title II regulated utility opens it up for massive taxation -- but FCC won't impose the taxes at first. Probably wait a few years.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (ZPrif)

103 The Republicans aren't selling out...they're giving it all away.

Say what you will about us, but at least we get paid.

Posted by: Whores at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (BrQrN)

104
Gitmo is still open.

...as a resort for terrorists who are about to make the transition to the outside.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (hbvPW)

105 Fuck all of you. Fuck you up the fucking fuck hole, you fucking fuckers.
With a rusty chainsaw. Sideways.

The fuck you say..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (Bn6aD)

106 >>To do list:



1) Take over internet

2) Ban bullets

3)

.

.

.

10) Declare self Caliph for Life
- - - -

Not sure where it fits in, but pencil in Implement Agenda 21's push to move everyone into major cities (what was that about blithely talking about moving populations?) where we will live like goo little veal in "micro-housing" and move about via public transportation, eating our government approved vegan meal allotment.....

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 12:25 PM (lHHyw)

107 Is there any kind of explanation for the GOP consistently caving.
***
They aren't caving. They are lying to you as to what they want to do.

McConnell, Boehner, and the rest don't want to roll back Obama's Leviathan, they want to control it. And if they can't control it they are perfectly willing to let Obama do so as long as they get a share of the loot they are stealing from the productive class.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 26, 2015 12:25 PM (78TbK)

108 I think McCain is a witch.




Let's see if he floats.



Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:23 PM (evdj2)


No need to get everything wet. We just need a duck.

Posted by: Sir Bedevere at February 26, 2015 12:25 PM (JO9+V)

109 On the bright side, the chocolate ration has been increased from 8 to 6 grams a month.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:26 PM (evdj2)

110 No one wants to die ALONE on a hill.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (WNERA)


And that's why we'll lose. Because you're right.

Now that the government controls the internet, places like this can become ... illegal.

Without places like this, it's difficult for like-minded people to rally.

So we're all on our own hills, alone.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:26 PM (fwARV)

111 so as long as they get a share of the loot they are stealing from the productive class.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 26, 2015 12:25 PM (78TbK)


Earmarks baby, earmarks

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:26 PM (WNERA)

112 Just when I thought there would be a day I wouldn't rage-stroke...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:26 PM (Bn6aD)

113 "The Dems had 60 votes for the initial pass on Obamacare. "

But one of the Maine twins voted it out of committee.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:26 PM (MYCIw)

114 Jeff Flake needs to face a primary. I'm absolutely disgusted with him, he has fully taken off the mask and is basically a La Raza Republican.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:15 PM (YalUx)


He was good when he was in the House, but then, many Governors and Congressmen had good track records before going to the Senate, only to disappoint (Heller is another example of that, though I'd rather have him than the Doctor Who villain he defeated in '12).

Posted by: The Senatorial Hat at February 26, 2015 12:27 PM (0Ew3K)

115
"The case against her nomination, as far as I can tell, essentially ignores her professional career and focuses solely on about six hours that she spent before this committee on January 28th, Hatch said, referencing Lynchs earlier confirmation hearing. "I do not believe that is a proper way to evaluate any nominees fitness for any position."



"The committee hearings that I insist upon mean nothing to me. Also, did you guys know I wrote a song? Wait, let me get my guitar...."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2015 12:27 PM (kdS6q)

116
shocker republicans are evry bit the cheap whores that their esteemed colleauges on the other side of the asile are.they allcovetthe hispanic vote and middle class america can go pound sand if they don't like it

Posted by: kj at February 26, 2015 12:27 PM (lKyWE)

117 Is there any kind of explanation for the GOP consistently caving. I mean is there something that isn't apparent?
Are they that afraid of the media?
I Truly don't understand.


----

Here are three.

1. They simply do not care about the same things you care about despite campaigning on them.

2. They are not necessarily looking to stop Obama or enact conservative results - they are mainly trying to get more control. They think that by taking measures Drew and others want (including me), they will lose votes and thus lose control. (I do not agree with them on that, but I think it is part of their calculus).

3. Life is typically easier when you go along to get along.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:27 PM (gmeXX)

118 Bravo AllenG!

Posted by: HH at February 26, 2015 12:28 PM (Ce4DF)

119 oh, and everyone hates hillary clinton as much as we
do so we can be really certain she'll never ever win the D nomination
let alone the election

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:22 PM (hbvPW)


Hillary is old and ugly, and not attractive to anyone under a certain age... so it is indeed unlikely she will secure the nomination. If she is nominated however, the same idiots who always vote for Democrats will vote for her. Maybe not as many of them as voted for the Scoamf, but if she's up against Jeb, which she probably would be, she's got a good enough shot at winning that she could very easily be elected.

The tougher hurdle is the nomination.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 12:28 PM (TOk1P)

120 I always vote for myself if I think I can do a better job. Since my ballot has many write in votes it jams up the count since it has to be sorted separately. SecState hates this. I just laugh and laugh ...
And my vote always get cancelled by illegal voter in WA.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at February 26, 2015 12:28 PM (uPxUo)

121 Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:24 PM (Bn6aD)

Well, looks like Donna has blown the Fcuk ban again.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:28 PM (0FSuD)

122 I have typed and deleted a comment so many times....

Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 12:28 PM (659DL)

123 But yes, the GOP is terrified of the Media. They want to be on Television, and they want the other person talking to them to be smiling. They want to be beloved by Television.

Posted by: Null at February 26, 2015 12:28 PM (xjpRj)

124 >>10 billion in tax revenue this regulation will bring

Like magic!

Remember this from Keith Ellison:

"The bottom line is we're not broke, there's plenty of money, it's just the government doesn't have it. The government has a right, the government and the people of the United
States have a right to run the programs of the United States. Health,
welfare, housing --- all these things."


He wasn't talking about net neutrality specifically, but this seems to be an operating belief behind all tax and fee schemes.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 12:29 PM (lHHyw)

125 Well, looks like Donna has blown the Fcuk ban again.

Hey I only said it once!

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:29 PM (Bn6aD)

126 Hillary is old and ugly, and not attractive to anyone under a certain age.


Here is VT we thinks she's cute.

Posted by: Mary at February 26, 2015 12:29 PM (0FSuD)

127
The entire D party is behind clinton. She has no competition. The other D's in the race are running to be her veep.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:29 PM (hbvPW)

128 Look, we can't be scary.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 26, 2015 12:30 PM (ZKGnj)

129 Back to wiping out ISIS. There is a contrast between Vietnam and Iraq. There were jungles in Vietnam and the soil was amenable to tunneling - so the enemy could hide. There aren't any jungles in Iraq and you can't tunnel in cufking sand. In order to be militarily relevant ISIS has to cluster in the open. Add to that the fact that we have far better surveillance capabilities today than in Vietnam.

Question: what happened to the Iraqi Republican Guard at the start of the Iraq war? Answer: The B-52s reduced them to very small individual body parts during the News blackout period; there weren't even any platoon sized units left. So much for the administration's absurd lies that the Air Force can't do anything about ISIS.

Posted by: An Observation at February 26, 2015 12:30 PM (ylhEn)

130 Bravo, AllenG!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 12:30 PM (lHHyw)

131 #83, the explanation is that you teatards believed that any one of your betters capable of winning an election ( as if those matter) would have any genuine interest in representing your backwater Jesusland trailer park way of life. Jefferson was a fool and his dream is dead. Alexander Hamilton planned a monarchy of the better classes, of the enlightened ones, and it has happened before your eyes.

Go back to your sisters, you racist trash. There is nothing to see here. And your children will take our path, not yours. Education is important, after all.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (5HyS+)

132


Kiss the 2nd Amendment goodbye. SCOAMF to order the banning of AR-15 bullets.


Where is the American Augusto Pinochet? The world wonders . . .


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (CMkNk)

133 FCC Chair Wheeler is an ass. Smug superiority that his rule will pass 3 - 2 and he'll get a pat on the head from ValJar for his balllicking efforts.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (JO9+V)

134 How soon before Obama goes after pistol ammo next?

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (sWgE+)

135 At this point I think we can finally admit that Congress has ceased to be a branch of government.

At most, they pass enabling acts.

Obama is a dictator.

I doubt that if the GOP wins the Presidency, they will have the balls to reverse what TFG did.

But it would be so sweet for a President Walker to pass "right to work" by executive fiat.

We've passed the Rubicon. The best we can hope for is to have our dictator in charge.

Posted by: The Julian Hat at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (0Ew3K)

136 SPARTANS! Prepare for disappointment!

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:32 PM (evdj2)

137 So much for the administration's absurd lies that the Air Force can't do anything about ISIS.


Posted by: An Observation at February 26, 2015 12:30 PM (ylhEn)

One word.
Napalm

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:32 PM (0FSuD)

138 Just pipe down, Mary. Your sock sticht (However one spellls that word) has gotten old. We know that you're not a progressive and we have plenty of them on other websites to do the real routine.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2015 12:32 PM (DXzRD)

139 The entire D party is behind clinton. She has no competition. The other D's in the race are running to be her veep.

-----

I don't know. She may run by default, but while the Dem bench is thin, there are still some who have egos. I can easily see Warren jumping in. Even if she loses, she wins in that she will always be the first woman nominee and she will increase her stature. I think she has personal upside for running (even if she loses). Whereas, I think Clinton has mostly personal downside.

The Dems as a whole may just sit this election out (like the GOP in 2012) and have Biden run.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (gmeXX)

140 137 One word.
Napalm
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:32 PM (0FSuD)


Two words - CARPET BOMBING

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (CMkNk)

141 How soon before Obama goes after pistol ammo next?

Pretty damn fast.

They're trying to ban 5.56 ammo as "armor piercing" (miserable scrunts) because "now it can be used in semi-automatic handguns."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)

142 "I do not believe that is a proper way to evaluate any nominees fitness for any position."

So...no more hearings? OK, then...

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (659DL)

143 The Dems as a whole may just sit this election out (like the GOP in 2012) and have Biden run.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (gmeXX)


You don't honestly think he'd LOSE do you?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (fwARV)

144 Awesome AllenG.
But your most excellent rant makes me wonder if the verminous Harry Reid has ever been told to go fuck himself.
The person who did that would be doing him a solid.
Of course, if Reid could fuck himself he probably would in the absence of a prepubescent boy.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (XohZJ)

145 the explanation is that you teatards believed




teatards, I love this kind of creativity. teatards, teatards, thxs you made me laugh.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (WNERA)

146 At this point I think we can finally admit that Congress has ceased to be a branch of government.

-----

I think they pretty much ceased when they started delegating rule-making authority to the executive.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (gmeXX)

147 Loretta Lynch is a black female. There's no way the cowardly MSM-fearing GOP would have voted her down on principle.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (8ZskC)

148

You want George Washington
You will settle for Pinochet
You'll get Fidel Castro

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (evdj2)

149 At least we don't have any witches in the Senate.

Posted by: jwest
-----------------
What we do have, is a nest of vipers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (l1zOH)

150 How soon before Obama goes after pistol ammo next?
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (sWgE+)

Probably just waiting for the ink to dry.

Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (659DL)

151 76 "I miss Waylon. Best country voice ever."
Me too. Me too.
Posted by: GOP
___________________________

Speaking of Waylon, how about Jessi?

http://tinyurl.com/ou8dvnl

Discuss among yourselves.

Posted by: Furious George at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (UlJ3l)

152 Look, we cannot fight the Democrats with only one half of one third of government...

Look, we cannot fight the Democrats with only the House and the Senate...

Look, we CAN fight the Democrats with the House, Senate, and the presidency. Probably. The bottom line is keep voting us into power and we will eventually address your grievances.

Posted by: John Boehner at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (kFnmp)

153
>>>>Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?

Different people are lining their pockets, for one.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at February 26, 2015 12:34 PM (3ZtZW)

154 I'm sure Mitch et al look at Obama, Pelosi and Reid and think, "Say, they get everything they want. I want that, too. All I have to do is push the Progressive agenda."

This is beyond terrible. 2014 was the last chance to stem the Progs and the GOP has abandoned us.

No reason to vote, ever again.

Posted by: Null at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (xjpRj)

155 141 How soon before Obama goes after pistol ammo next?

Pretty damn fast.

They're trying to ban 5.56 ammo as "armor piercing" (miserable scrunts) because "now it can be used in semi-automatic handguns."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)


I wish the ammo manufacturers issued the joint communique "WE REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND WILL CONTINUE THE MANUFACTURE AND SALE OF ALL CALIBERS OF AMMO."

PS - LIBERALS, GET FUCKED

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (CMkNk)

156 141
Wasn't the 5.7 specifically designed for that?

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (sWgE+)

157 what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?

Push that 1 for whatever far enough and you got next to nothing.

Posted by: DaveA at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (DL2i+)

158 I support the filibuster for SCOTUS and cabinet-level appointments and legislation - just not for lower level (e.g. lower judges). These nominations are a big reason why I haven't jumped on board the "nuclear option because now we can" bandwagon.

Those of us in the dissident majority with minority representation need to keep in mind that "now we can" doesn't mean "us-we can," it means "Team GOP-we can." Dissident conservatives should keep in mind that we are the smallest minority in Congress - vanishingly so in that we mustered all of 2 Senate votes against Vichy Mitch's tail-tuck yesterday. Anything that strengthens majority/leadership control is poison to us. Choose accordingly.

On top of it all, we were surprisingly easy on Lynch regarding the multiple admonishments DOJ has received lately, even from the uber-leftiest head of the uber-leftiest Ninth Circuit. A recently resigned DOJ attorney said that the Justice Department was being run like a plaintiff's law firm, sizing up targets for shakedown settlements. Worse, it's well known for suborning perjury, burying evidence and scoffing at court orders.

They could have forced Obama to appoint a caretaker to DOJ and at least pulled the fangs of that particular runaway beast going into 2016. Instead, we get Eric Holder with bosoms.

They have done nothing. They will do nothing. We've had a Know-Nothing party before. Now we have a party saying "No, Nothing" to their own voters on every major issue. Priceless. TYS.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (QKIQb)

159 You don't honestly think he'd LOSE do you?

-----

Yes I think he would lose. I think the GOP will win the WH in 2016.*

* reserve the right to change my mind if Jeb is the nomineee.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (gmeXX)

160 The entire D party is behind clinton. She has no competition. The other D's in the race are running to be her veep.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:29 PM (hbvPW)


You can believe that if you want, but the reality is that she is hated by many factions within the party, not the least of which is the current group occupying the White House right now. Just because we aren't hearing the rumblings, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

Once more, with feeling, the Dem voters love being seduced by someone new. That "someone new" isn't going to show his or herself publicly now, because then they wouldn't be "new" by the time 2016 rolls around.


Keep watching. Later this year, we'll know how unified the D party is on this.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (TOk1P)

161
SPARTANS! Prepare for disappointment!
Posted by: toby928(C)



"Our arrows will blot out the sun!"

"Then we will lie down on our nice soft mats and have a nap -- right after we finish our graham crackers and apple juice."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (kdS6q)

162
I recommend cheating on your taxes if there is any possible way. YMMV.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (ODxAs)

163 I wish the ammo manufacturers issued the joint communique "WE REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND WILL CONTINUE THE MANUFACTURE AND SALE OF ALL CALIBERS OF AMMO."

PS - LIBERALS, GET FUCKED


And I wish States would say, "And any BATF Agent attempting to enforce the order will be removed from our state across the nearest border."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (kff5f)

164
Actually, thanks to Dodd-Frank, the government can probably nationalize the ammo makers outright.

Just because.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (CMkNk)

165 Press 2 for English

Posted by: Capitol Hill Switchboard at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (evdj2)

166 @141

This does not forebode well for my 5.7x28 ammo. Luckily I have 3,000 rounds already.


http://tinyurl.com/422v66s

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (0FSuD)

167 They're trying to ban 5.56 ammo as "armor piercing" (miserable scrunts) because "now it can be used in semi-automatic handguns."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)


They can do anything they want of course, but as soon as a pistol is made that fires rifle ammo the armor piercing flag goes up.

They keep themselves busy having daytime wet dreams.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (WNERA)

168
as the first African-American woman
---
If we ever get another president who gets to appoint people, every one should be introduced as the 'first' in some category.

The first left-handed baptist german
The first curly-haired tennis-playing scot

beat that meme to death

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (/eTPT)

169 Axeltoad is desperate to torpedo Clinton's nomination.
As one of the original backstabbers, he knows his goose is pate'd if she gets in the WH.

Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (cbfNE)

170 Press 2 for English


Yikes!


so true...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (Bn6aD)

171 We surrender



run !!

Posted by: The republicans at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (W6iIX)

172 Yes I think he would lose. I think the GOP will win the WH in 2016.*

* reserve the right to change my mind if Jeb is the nomineee.


Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:35 PM (gmeXX)


I simply lack the required faith in the American electorate to believe we'll ever hold the White House again.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:37 PM (fwARV)

173 Better

Presione 2 para Inglés

Posted by: Capitol Hill Switchboard at February 26, 2015 12:37 PM (evdj2)

174 Welp. I've had it.

When do we start the revolution?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2015 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

175 Retreat! Retreat!!

Posted by: General Stonewall McConnell at February 26, 2015 12:37 PM (hKyl0)

176 I agree that the Republican Senate has disappointed even my low expectations, but I think you have to ask the reverse question.

What benefit would it have been if Reid and Democrats still controlled the Senate? At least 40 Republicans in the Senate will vote against her, do we throw all of them out to try and spite McConnell?

I mean some people here are actively wanting the Democrats to control everything in order to spite some shitweasels in the Senate that would probably be even happier to see Reid in charge.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:37 PM (YalUx)

177 At least we don't have this problem with our gains in state and local government, right? Like Iowa, where the republican governor is expected to approve a 10 cent/gallon (!) gas tax passed by both parties.

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (UYyuS)

178 he knows his goose is pate'd if she gets in the WH.

In what way would he be able to do that?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (DXzRD)

179 "Net Neutrality also seems designed to drive small ISPs out of business."

Just as a ton of the "public interest" legislation of the New Deal actually somehow ended up entrenching the hold of big businesses over the economy, and discouraging new competitive entrants.

Almost as though it had been designed and intended to so do. Hmmm.

Mitch is basically an "FDR Republican" at heart, and so are most of the Senate GOP. So, it's unsurprising that they aren't pushing back against this radical expansion of the FCC's authority, the FCC itself being a New Deal creation which cemented the hold of politically pliable big broadcasters.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (noWW6)

180
If we had leaders in Congress, they would issue a LEGISLATIVE ORDER nullifying all bureaucratic regulations.

But we have McConnell.

Psst. Doughboy, Allah - Revolution.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (CMkNk)

181
I'm a young man. I really, really, really, didn't want to be able to tell my children (when I have them), that I was there to watch America decline into a sihtpit under the auspices of the SCOAMT/SCOAMF and the GOPe. Just....dang, just dang.

It's time to admit it.We failed our FoundingFathers,in the long run. They built a great system with a number of safeguards, but even they couldn't protect against the kind of ignorant internal tampering that destroyed it.

"A republic, if you can keep it", then it slowly became a representative democracy as more and more of the indirect election methods, methods that were supposed to be implemented by wise statesmen, were stripped away and turned into popular vote items.

Then wegot FDR and the Supreme Court after he scared it into compliance, and that was really where the fatal wound was dealt to the nation. It's just taken us a long time to succumb.

At work, and feelingmuch more sad than angry.Even AllenG's rant cannot move me.

We had a good run of it, though. A real good run.

Posted by: Lurkingestlurker at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (k8xvx)

182 At least 40 Republicans in the Senate will vote against her,

I sincerely doubt that.

do we throw all of them out to try and spite McConnell?

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (kff5f)

183
clinton came within a whisker of being president in 2008. Today her image, nationally, has only improved.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (hbvPW)

184 First, you ban bullets that do not fragment on impact because you can label them 'armor piercing'. "Armor" does not mean the stuff that the M1 Abrams is wrapped in, nor the stuff the Mine Resistant truck is wrapped in. No, 'armor' for this Presidential Edict is the kevlar shirt law enforcement wear under their uniforms.

When the regulation goes into effect, caliber will not be specified. It will be all bullets that do not fragment.

So what, you ask.

So the next step, and there is always a next step is banning bullets that fragment on impact, because they are 'inhumane' and the wounds they cause are terrible wounds, and because these 'hollow point' bullets are a violation of the Geneva Convention.

There are only two types of bullets; those that break up on impact, and those that do not. These two rules will ban all bullets, in two steps, by Presidential edict.

Obama is still President, and will continue to be President until at least January 20th, 2017.

Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (XJRDA)

185 The Hat is right.

And I *love* the analogy to the Enabling Acts (blank slate authority given to Hitler as temporary, emergency measures ..... which, um, turned out a bit differently than some anticipated). Sure, it's over the top, a bit, and technically speaking.

But you know what? In proper context - that is, the American historical context - that analogy is spot-on, not outlandish at all.

Lawlessness now defines most of our system. Co-equal branches? Nope. Imperial presidency (like nothing seen since the Civil War, which was, um, a CIVIL WAR, which tends to bring out extreme measures). Judiciary completely unhinged from its constitutional channel, legislating wildly and arrogantly (and about as intelligently as you'd expect for a branch not intended for this role). Congress? Essentially dealt itself out of the system.

I've harped on it before, but the thing about recess appointments, where the Senate eventually won its lawsuit, was stunning and revealing. At no prior time in US history would the president's party have tolerated such poaching on Senate prerogatives. Which is why such a thing would not even be attempted, not pressed seriously.

But Senate Dems just sat there, silent, while one of their institutions' main powers was diluted by bold presidential over-reach.

Seems like some geeky, obscure thing to most, perhaps. To me, it is/was a chilling, astonishing development. The glue that made our system work has fallen apart. We are now more or less ruled, there is not representative, lawful government.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (afQnV)

186 Ya know, maybe I'll just fashion a tin-foil hat and make a prediction:


Late Oct., 2016. 'Something' happens. Federal elections 'temporarily' halted. President stays in power until things are resolved.



And you know, just a few years ago I never would have thought of anything like this. But now...

Posted by: HH at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (Ce4DF)

187 101
Mr Hat of the Day/Hour/Minute
Can we count the Illegal Voting Army that is living in our taxpayer subsidized housing as being quartered in our homes? Waiting for Justice Roberts to spin the wheel of meaning.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (uPxUo)

188 Wow Rush Limbaugh is talking about gun control.


which is not one of his normal topics

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (W6iIX)

189 I always like Jessi. Not a fan of the plastic surgery she's had lately though.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (MYCIw)

190 The first curly-haired tennis-playing scot

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2015 12:36 PM (/eTPT)


All according to plan...

Posted by: The Blamange at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (0Ew3K)

191 Nobody's going to make this site illegal. The government will just harass Ace until he gives up. Make no mistake - your fellow citizens, the same ones that are okay with the 'you can keep your doctor' lie, are okay with this. It's not liberalism that is at our doorstep, it's fascism. They're not liberals. Not even close.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (7v8o1)

192 I simply lack the required faith in the American electorate to believe we'll ever hold the White House again.

----

Understandable sentiment, but I suspect the left held the same view in 1986. Permanent majorities never exist.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

193 188 Wow Rush Limbaugh is talking about gun control.

which is not one of his normal topics
Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (W6iIX)


Well, it is when it is germane to the daily news.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (CMkNk)

194
At least 40 Republicans in the Senate will vote against her, do we throw all of them out to try and spite McConnell?
Posted by: McAdams




You taking action on that bet? Because Holder was confirmed 75-21 and Ms. Historic First will do no worse.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (kdS6q)

195 "Look, we CAN fight the Democrats with the House, Senate, and the
presidency. Probably. The bottom line is keep voting us into power and
we will eventually address your grievances."

2016 - The Year We Start Fighting. It's going to start just as soon as they strangle every hope of conservatives in the crib.

This is pure Machiavelli - do all of your dirtiest business at the start of your term/reign so people forget the pain ASAP but dribble out your crumbs of hope to make the good feelings last.

It's worked for them every time in the past. They only learn by losing. They won't change. You need to change them - either by bringing them to heel or replacement.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (QKIQb)

196 time to buy 5.56 dies for my reloader

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (sWgE+)

197 I apologize for my idiot senator Hatch. Boneheaded move all around. When he finally lumbers away from the governmental teat he has been sucking from for way too long, here's hoping Utahns have the wisdom to vote in another Mike Lee, not a Bennett or a Hatch 2.0. (Gives major side eye to the Romney boys.)

Posted by: LizLem at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (yRwC8)

198 It's one thing to fight, it's another thing to win ~ Scott Walker

You idiots need to understand that.

Choose your fights carefully.

Posted by: Uncle Rick at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (ZbB1q)

199 Today is like a 3 Psaki day

Posted by: Country Sam at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (W6iIX)

200 192 I simply lack the required faith in the American electorate to believe we'll ever hold the White House again.

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Understandable sentiment, but I suspect the left held the same view in 1986. Permanent majorities never exist.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)


Even if we do, take a look at who controls the federal bureaucracies and the judiciary.

Our choices for reversing course are dwindling. And the outlook ain't good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (CMkNk)

201 I saw the AR ammo ban story days ago.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (ntuyY)

202 Gateway Pundit is reporting an Ebola case at a luxury apartment building in Arlington, VA.

Depend on where that person worked, I could see DC on lockdown soon.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (VDCWC)

203 I need a fucking drink.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (kff5f)

204 Today her media crafted image, nationally, has only improved.
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Just saying.
We all understand the problem. The schools are the feeders of the media, the media are the feeders of the LIV's.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (vPh3W)

205 The Market Ticker has a post about Net Neutrality:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229877

Seems it's services like Netflix and Facebook who stand to benefit.

Posted by: rickl at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (zoehZ)

206 I don't think Hillary is the "lay up" election some people seem to think.

Obviously if Jeb gets it, any Dem would win in a blowout, but Hillary is a piss poor candidate and FWIW, almost every single Democrat I know, both the hard left and moderate, absolutely hate her.

I still think Hillary comes in with an advantage over the eventual Republican because of the female bullshit, but it can be overcome and it could even break away from her in a big way.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (YalUx)

207
Depend on where that person worked, I could see DC on lockdown soon.

That would be good... lock em all in...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (Bn6aD)

208 Go for a bike ride, Ebola carrier.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (ntuyY)

209 They're trying to ban 5.56 ammo as "armor piercing" (miserable scrunts) because "now it can be used in semi-automatic handguns."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)

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I dont understand how they can even do this with a straight face. Ive posted this before.... but green tips dont even meet the ATF definition of armor piercing.

"(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile."


Green tip fails to meet the ATF's definition on BOTH counts.


....fuckers.....

Posted by: fixerupper at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (NaV4z)

210 Today is like a 3 Psaki day

with a pair of Harif's as kickers

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (sWgE+)

211 203 I need a fucking drink.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (kff5f)


I need a coup d'etat.

And then champagne.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (CMkNk)

212 Perhaps if we ran away further it would confuse the rabbit Dems more.

Posted by: Sir Bors McConnell at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (JO9+V)

213
Depend on where that person worked, I could see DC on lockdown soon.
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Quarantine everyone working in DC for 4-6 months under house arrest. It might do some good.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (40li+)

214 You idiots need to understand that.



Choose your fights carefully.

Posted by: Uncle Rick at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (ZbB1q)

This

Posted by: Thom Tillis at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (0FSuD)

215 "The Hat is right."

Hayek talked about this in Road to Serfdom with respect to Britain in the 1940's on. He called it "Rule by Experts." Parliament gives a broad "mission statement" and enabling authority to an unelected and unaccountable body of experts who then make all the policy.

Most admin regulation in the US works like this - and it's so normal now that Congress often doesn't bother with the mission statements or enabling authority anymore.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (QKIQb)

216 Understandable sentiment, but I suspect the left held the same view in 1986. Permanent majorities never exist.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

This is a fair point, and I've considered it. We've lost the demographic war - a condition which did not exist for the left in 1986.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (fwARV)

217 Seems it's services like Netflix and Facebook who stand to benefit.

What? You mean large, entrenched businesses are most likely to benefit from a huge government takeover of their sector? No fucking way!





My rage has passed out of the visible light spectrum.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (kff5f)

218 Understandable sentiment, but I suspect the left held the same view in 1986. Permanent majorities never exist.
Posted by: SH
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Same thing we used to say.

Posted by: Venezuela at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (vPh3W)

219 Nobody's going to make this site illegal. The government will just harass Ace until he gives up. Make no mistake - your fellow citizens, the same ones that are okay with the 'you can keep your doctor' lie, are okay with this. It's not liberalism that is at our doorstep, it's fascism. They're not liberals. Not even close.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 26, 2015 12:39 PM (7v8o1)


The FCC will harass ISPs and hosting companies to drop or block sites like the HQ, just like Holder harassed the banks to drop legal business like gun stores.

Posted by: The Precidented Hat at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (0Ew3K)

220
What obamacare did for your healthcare premiums, net neutrality will do for your internet costs.

So all good. Yep.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (ODxAs)

221 Buy ammo. Now. I know I don't have to tell most of you that since you already have your shopping carts full, but for the hold outs (looking at you, ace) it's time to start.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (MYCIw)

222 I saw the AR ammo ban story days ago.
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:41 PM (ntuyY)

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Well great.

Once the new FCC internet rules kick in ..... i bet you wont see those stories in the future.....

**spit**

Posted by: fixerupper at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (NaV4z)

223 Rinse, you gotta get your base under control. It's getting harder and harder for our flak's to pass Jebster off as the Inevitable Fodder for Hillsy!. If I hear one more story about this Walker clod, I'm gonna get your membership revoked at Chevy Hase Country Club. You got it?

Posted by: Va-Jar-Jar at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (5buP8)

224 213

Depend on where that person worked, I could see DC on lockdown soon.



Could you add Chapel Hill to that lock down?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (0FSuD)

225 Even if we do, take a look at who controls the federal bureaucracies and the judiciary.

Our choices for reversing course are dwindling. And the outlook ain't good.

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No doubt. To regain the judiciary we need to control the WH for a good run - 8 years. The only way to control the bureacracy is to eliminate it. Tough sledding for sure.

You are right, even if the GOP wins, this will not be done overnight. I make no prediction on that. Just that the GOP will win the WH in 2016.*

* see earlier reservation

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (gmeXX)

226 We are now more or less ruled, there is not representative, lawful government.

The country should be our 'tribe' for politicians it is the party. Because of this duty honor country is not part of their tribe.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (WNERA)

227
I simply lack the required faith in the American electorate to believe we'll ever hold the White House again.
that depends on what world events take place between now and 2016 i think

Posted by: kj at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (lKyWE)

228 Much taller male version of AtC makes a friend


http://tinyurl.com/lou272x

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (fWAjv)

229 Okay, so the Dems suck and the GOP sucks. So what's the plan now? Do nothing?

Posted by: chemjeff at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (uOAjL)

230 do we throw all of them out to try and spite McConnell?



Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon

But then what happens?

If the Democrats got lopsided control of everything because the base wanted to teach them a lesson, what is the endgame?

A new party where there isn't sell out politicians and only statesmen? Are unicorns involved?


Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (YalUx)

231 EPA wants to ban lead ammo cause it offends the Great Spirits of the Trees and Rivers.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

232 220
What obamacare did for your healthcare premiums, net neutrality will do for your internet costs.

So all good. Yep.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (ODxAs)

At least it's relatively easy to steal cable and wi-fi service.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (CMkNk)

233 The gope is going to give Obama everything he wants. There is no opposition party. In fact, Obama will get more than what he would have had Reid stated in control.

THIRD. PARTY.

Posted by: Jukin at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (WGm5T)

234 Just remember that more Rs wanted to vote for her than the three that did. They jury rigged the vote to get her to the floor while giving some cover to Republicans.

Posted by: ejo at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (rsGj7)

235 Well, it is when it is germane to the daily news.


The damn Germans got nothing to do with it!

Posted by: Sheriff Buford T Justice at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (JO9+V)

236 Posted by: fixerupper at February 26, 2015 12:42 PM (NaV4z)

That's the point. They're calling it "an exemption" but it's really that it just doesn't meet their definition of "armor piercing." So now they're going to target it specifically.

I will not be surprised if they go with a more general rule which just incidentally catches larger calibers, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (kff5f)

237 229 Okay, so the Dems suck and the GOP sucks. So what's the plan now? Do nothing?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (uOAjL)


Open to all reasonable suggestions that will bear fruit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:46 PM (CMkNk)

238 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (fWAjv)

Point of order, a Garden Gnome is taller than AtC.

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:46 PM (sWgE+)

239 This is an ambush takeover of the internet by the FCC.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:46 PM (ZPrif)

240 "You idiots need to understand that.
Choose your fights carefully."


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (QKIQb)

241
But then what happens?

If the Democrats got lopsided control of everything because the base wanted to teach them a lesson, what is the endgame?

A new party where there isn't sell out politicians and only statesmen? Are unicorns involved?

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Remember the Whigs? One election cycle and they were gone, to be replaced by the GOP. Now, the GOP is officially the Whig party, so it is time to lather, rinse, and repeat.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (40li+)

242 231 EPA wants to ban lead ammo cause it offends the Great Spirits of the Trees and Rivers.

Next shoe to fall.

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (sWgE+)

243 what is the endgame?

If I told you my real endgame, I'd get banned.

But read the Blog's masthead.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (kff5f)

244 So I guess the plan is, "vote third party so that Dems get unfettered control over everything, in which case we go on the very slippery glide path to complete socialism and the ensuing revolution/Burning Times(tm), at which point the weary people will clamor for constitutional conservatism"?

Posted by: chemjeff at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (uOAjL)

245 What a sock fail !!

anyway vote for me, I'll fill your neighborhoods with smart, vibrant immigrants

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (W6iIX)

246 I don't get the outrage: if she's defeated, then Holder's still AG, right? On a 'pick your poison' test, who TF would want to keep Holder there when the alternative's a newby with no great experience in or hard on for advancing civil rights?

Posted by: Wax the Gunter Flog at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (lqeGC)

247 All non lead ammo is armor piercing now.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (ntuyY)

248
What we need to cap off these miserable two weeks is the pope to come out and say something fucking stupid.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (hbvPW)

249 The FCC will harass ISPs and hosting companies to drop or block sites like the HQ, just like Holder harassed the banks to drop legal business like gun stores.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The toxic brew of EO's and a permanent bureaucracy will be the end of us. The RINOS are just insuring they get the nice cells all and full rations.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (5buP8)

250 EPA wants to ban lead ammo cause it offends the Great Spirits of the Trees and Rivers.

Despite the fact that comes from the ground.

I could sorta understand it if lead (and oil, too) weren't native to the planet.

The world is full of crazy people.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (0HooB)

251 Lynch will be no different than Holder anyways, so refusing to approve her would only allow Democrats to score political points. Frankly, we do have bigger concerns. While Republicans have only had control of the Senate for a month, I am hoping, like you, to see something worthwhile eventually happen.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (TF/YA)

252 "The Hat is right."

Hayek talked about this in Road to Serfdom with respect to Britain in the 1940's on. He called it "Rule by Experts." Parliament gives a broad "mission statement" and enabling authority to an unelected and unaccountable body of experts who then make all the policy.

Most admin regulation in the US works like this - and it's so normal now that Congress often doesn't bother with the mission statements or enabling authority anymore.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:43 PM (QKIQb)


What was intended by the Founding Fathers, was for Congress to pass laws, with the executive limited to doing A, B, and C.

Now, we executive agencies (some independent of even the President) who are given power to do anything except X, Y, or Z -- with the X, Y, or Z so vaguely written that the agency can even do that unless the courts slap them down, and then usually only for a single instance with no other repercussions.

Posted by: The Executive Hat at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (0Ew3K)

253 "To me, it is/was a chilling, astonishing development. The glue that made our system work has fallen apart."

What I found most chilling and astonishing wasn't so much the sea change in internal governmental processes, but in the actual campaigning for office.

That Obama's finance team deliberately shut off the safeguards meant to keep foreign money from coming into their coffers via credit card donations over the Web in 2008? Provably resulting in many 100% illegal contributions, with more such illegality no doubt having gone undetected? And that the Republicans collectively emitted not so much as the smallest peep of protest about this practice?

Yeah, that was "chilling and astonishing". But it got worse.

Because after having gotten away with it in '08, Team Obama proceeded to do THE SAME DAMN THING ALL OVER AGAIN in 2012. And the Republicans again collectively emitted not so much as the smallest peep of protest.

That goes beyond "chilling and astonishing" to the level of, holy cow, the Republic really did die quietly in its sleep a few decades ago, and now what we've got is a very elaborate exercise in pro-wrestling keyfabe to keep the rubes quiet.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (noWW6)

254 This is an ambush takeover of the internet by the FCC.

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Well when Congress abdicates its basic legislative function this is what you get. The founders were wise men who thought that Congress would dominate the federal government. How wrong they were.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

255 EPA wants to ban lead ammo cause it offends the Great Spirits of the Trees and Rivers.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

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Hey Cost.

Go up and read what I posted at 209.

Technically..... all the solid copper "environmentally friendly" ammo larger than .22 caliber **DO** meet the ATFs definition of armour piercing.

Think once lead is no longer used in projectiles.... that little "infraction" will be allowed to continue??

Effective ban on ALL ammo.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (NaV4z)

256
"You idiots need to understand that.
Choose your fights carefully."

Famous quotation from George McClellan? Bernard Montgomery? Robert MacNamara?

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (QKIQb)

257 My rage has passed out of the visible light spectrum.


Heh. Try ultrahypersonic. Dogs can't even hear mine.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (JO9+V)

258
Nationalizing the internet, granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, implementing a disastrous and dangerous foreign policy and now a major body blow to the 2nd Amendment (the one that in theory guarantees the others).

All in the space of a few weeks.

And he still has 23 months to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (CMkNk)

259 Hey, Hammer, I think I'll go sledding in that 8 inches of snow we got in CLT!



NOT, only one inch.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (0FSuD)

260 Honestly, I love it when Democrats go after guns. We always win.

It's basically the equivalent of when conservatives go Akin on the abortion issue.

Had the Dems gone after guns in Obama's first term, he would have lost in 2012.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (YalUx)

261 "anyway vote for me, [Jeb Bush], I'll fill your neighborhoods with smart, vibrant immigrants"

Who will then energetically subject you to "acts of love".

Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (noWW6)

262 My rage has passed out of the visible light spectrum.

I chuckled out loud.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (evdj2)

263 The FCC will harass ISPs and hosting companies to drop or block sites like the HQ, just like Holder harassed the banks to drop legal business like gun stores.
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Comments will be considered part of the blog, and the blog owner will be held responsible for the comments posted by users.

Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (XJRDA)

264 Remember the Whigs? One election cycle and they were gone, to be replaced by the GOP. Now, the GOP is officially the Whig party, so it is time to lather, rinse, and repeat.

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I'd like to think that, but right now it is the Dems who look more like the Whigs to me. I'm open to any third party on either side. Might help shake some things out.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

265 FCC vote about to happen. Wipe your chin Chairman Wheeler, you've left a little behind.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:50 PM (JO9+V)

266
We missed a real opportunity not getting McConnell and Graham unelected.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 12:51 PM (ODxAs)

267 The Orange Orangutan has found the hill to die on!


http://tinyurl.com/mnr6ztp

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 26, 2015 12:51 PM (LImiJ)

268 Comments will be considered part of the blog, and the blog owner will be held responsible for the comments posted by users.

Oh, Oh...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:51 PM (Bn6aD)

269 "I don't get the outrage: if she's defeated, then Holder's still AG,
right? On a 'pick your poison' test, who TF would want to keep Holder
there when the alternative's a newby with no great experience in or hard
on for advancing civil rights?"

They want Holder out, or Holder wants out. He's not going to stay merely because the replacement is held up. They'll put an assistant weenie in charge and go into caretaker mode. There's a reason why Holder didn't stay on - he only had two years left.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:51 PM (QKIQb)

270 And you know, just a few years ago I never would have thought of anything like this. But now...
Posted by: HH at February 26, 2015 12:38 PM (Ce4DF)

I know the feeling. I'm starting to feel like as the government becomes more involved in Everything, people will entrench themselves even deeper to grab what they can as the country circles the toilet bowl. As that gets worse, partisanship increases even further to the point where citizens perceive somebody of the other party as a direct threat to their survival. Civil War occurs.

Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 12:51 PM (659DL)

271 Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 12:48 PM (TF/YA)

I'll have what he's having! Srsly, you think there's a pony in there somewhere?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 26, 2015 12:52 PM (5buP8)

272 OT: MISSOURI: Ex-Cong & '12 nom Todd Akin (R) told The Hill he is thinking of launching a Tea Party primary challenge vs US Sen Roy Blunt (R).

http://bit.ly/1JR61s4

Posted by: The Legitimate Hat at February 26, 2015 12:52 PM (0Ew3K)

273
Okay, so the Dems suck and the GOP sucks. So what's the plan now? Do nothing?


Posted by: chemjeff at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (uOAjL)


Pay attention. This thread is covering two topics: the complete and utter failure of the Republican Party, and the accumulation of ammo. These two things are not unrelated.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 12:52 PM (TOk1P)

274 261 "anyway vote for me, [Jeb Bush], I'll fill your neighborhoods with smart, vibrant immigrants"

Who will then energetically subject you to "acts of love".
Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:49 PM (noWW6)


French MILFS in leather? Okay, he gets my vote.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:52 PM (CMkNk)

275
Remember the Whigs? One election cycle and they
were gone, to be replaced by the GOP. Now, the GOP is officially the
Whig party, so it is time to lather, rinse, and repeat.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 12:47 PM (40li+)

Is it this election cycle? Who's gonna replace the GOP?

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (nbgPm)

276 No doubt. To regain the judiciary we need to control the WH for a good run - 8 years. The only way to control the bureacracy is to eliminate it. Tough sledding for sure.

You are right, even if the GOP wins, this will not be done overnight. I make no prediction on that. Just that the GOP will win the WH in 2016.*

* see earlier reservation
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:44 PM (gmeXX)

Obama will replace Ginsburg and possibly Breyer before he leaves office, to ensure that those two justice positions remain firmly entrenched in Marxist doctrine for a lifetime.

Without an article V convention, and term limits placed on the Supreme Court, there will be a deadlocked/left leaning court for the next two presidential cycles, or until another marxist president is elected by the free shit celebrity illegals voting crowd and one of the constitutional justices is ill and needs replaced. Then it will go permanently full marxist.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (zuDPz)

277 Wheeler: The internet is too important to let broadband providers set the rules.


Alt. Life is too important to let mere people set their own lives.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (JO9+V)

278 It's not a two-party system.

It's a two-ply system.

Posted by: Ron Dayne at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (mOEk5)

279 Remember the Whigs? One election cycle and they were
gone, to be replaced by the GOP. Now, the GOP is officially the Whig
party, so it is time to lather, rinse, and repeat.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada

The problem is, you give the Left full control for a few election cycles, there's no going back unless you want a real Civil War or some sort of secession movement. With lots of misery in between.

I'm not ready for that all because Lynch is replacing Holder as AG.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (YalUx)

280

Rush has the worst callers. It's inexplicable, really.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (hbvPW)

281 Just spent real money (for me, at least) on .40SW.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 12:54 PM (fwARV)

282 Wheeler: The internet is too important to let broadband providers set the rules.

Fuck you, you fucking imperialist. God damn you to hell.

The internet is too important for it to be regulated by fucking jackals like you.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:54 PM (kff5f)

283 Right, it's pincer movement:

EPA bans lead ammo on Eco-cult grounds
ATF bans non-lead ammo on "armor-piercing" grounds.

ATF has now moved first. EPA to follow.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:54 PM (ZPrif)

284 Without an article V convention, and term limits placed on the Supreme Court, there will be a deadlocked/left leaning court for the next two presidential cycles, or until another marxist president is elected by the free shit celebrity illegals voting crowd and one of the constitutional justices is ill and needs replaced. Then it will go permanently full marxist.

We need a conservative president to pack the court with strict Constitutionalist judges.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at February 26, 2015 12:54 PM (0HooB)

285 The only thing worse than the pantywaist media jerking off to THE FIRST BLACK PREZIDENT!!!!11!! is watching the GOP stumble around trying to locate their fucking TESTICLES

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (MV2jA)

286 276 Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (zuDPz)


All in favor of Article V.

2 caveats; it takes too many people to enact the correct legislation (a la Levin) and not enough time.

And the clock is running out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (CMkNk)

287 So, how much time do you think the MSM will devote to the 5.56 executive order? I don't think it will see the light of day on any newscast. Fox, eh, maybe. They want this to slide under the carpet with little or no notice. No point in upsetting the "bitter clingers" in fly over country.

Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (sWgE+)

288 272
OT: MISSOURI: Ex-Cong '12 nom Todd Akin (R) told The Hill he is
thinking of launching a Tea Party primary challenge vs US Sen Roy Blunt
(R).



http://bit.ly/1JR61s4

Akin isn't Tea Party, right?

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (nbgPm)

289 If they ban 5.56, it's time to revolt.


There. I said it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (cBvzT)

290 280

Rush has the worst callers. It's inexplicable, really.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (hbvPW)


Bo Snerdley puts them on, dude.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (CMkNk)

291 Rush has the worst callers. It's inexplicable, really.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (hbvPW)

Who has time to stay on hold for an hour if they are working?
So his callers are either not employed or are retired.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (zuDPz)

292 he problem is, you give the Left full control for a
few election cycles, there's no going back unless you want a real Civil
War or some sort of secession movement. With lots of misery in between.

I'm not ready for that all because Lynch is replacing Holder as AG.



Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (YalUx)

Sellout pussy.

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (nbgPm)

293 The problem is, you give the Left full control for a few election cycles, there's no going back unless you want a real Civil War or some sort of secession movement. With lots of misery in between.

We're going there anyway. The only question is how long it takes. The ratchet only moves one direction.

So we can do it sooner, and make it more likely that my grandchildren at least (yes, my kids are 7 and 5) will live to see whatever new civilization arises.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (kff5f)

294 288 Akin isn't Tea Party, right?
Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (nbgPm)


Allegedly he is. The problem when he ran was that he was one of several Tea Party candidates and somehow won out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (CMkNk)

295 I'm not ready for that all because Lynch is replacing Holder as AG.

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On its own, I don't really care about Lynch. The President is the Executive. Whether it is Lynch, Holder, someone else, they are just agents of the President.

But in the aggregate it is dissappointing to see that Congress is not using its Constitutional tools at its disposal to stop this Presidency.

But considering that Congress has already ceded its primary purpose - to legislate - it is not hard to see it cede all other purposes and powers.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (gmeXX)

296 "Okay, so the Dems suck and the GOP sucks. So what's the plan now? Do nothing?"

Think I've been clear on that for one. Start a third party. It's the worst idea ever except for all of those where we stick with the status quo. "Taking back the GOP" is just as long a shot as building a third party, and even a small third party presence would have more influence as a necessary partner in a coalition than we have as a silenced and despised minority in the GOP.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (QKIQb)

297
The problem is, you give the Left full control for a few election cycles, there's no going back unless you want a real Civil War or some sort of secession movement. With lots of misery in between.

--

I would say that based on the number of people who are now not voting, it wouldn't take a few election cycles, it could be done before the 2016 election. Plan B would be the civil war revisited, because something has to change, no matter how painful.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (40li+)

298 I really don't know why any of you are surprised. Any nominee Obama puts up will be just as odious ideologically as Loretta Lynch, and with arguably less qualified to do the actual job of being the chief prosecutor and running the department.

The last thing the Republican leadership wants is to have the focus of the public on a nomination to an office most people who aren't criminals have no interest in thinking about. Let alone have that focus be all about how the Republicans "hate" a black woman.

Having the expectation that leadership will do silly, counter-productive things just to salve the emotional needs of people like Drew and some of the commenters here, and then being righteously indignant when they refuse to do those silly, counter-productive things, is just plain dumb.

She will most likely be confirmed with all Dems voting yes and enough Republicans voting yes to get her over the line. All the no votes that need to be no votes for back-home electoral purposes will be there, and that's about it.

All of which could have been easily predicted the moment the nomination was announced. Because nobody is going to not vote Republican in 2016 because of how an individual senator voted on this nomination, and everybody with a brain knows that.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (ljZD2)

299 "OT: MISSOURI: Ex-Cong & '12 nom Todd Akin (R) told The Hill he is thinking of launching a Tea Party primary challenge vs US Sen Roy Blunt (R)."

Wonder if he's still got that array of socon activists like Tony Perkins whispering in his ear, as he did in 2012. Telling him that it's important to run because God is "testing his faith" under fire.

Also, it's odd that Akin is raising a Tea Party banner, as he didn't win his primary because of Tea Party support. He won because Team McCaskill figured out he was her weakest general election opponent possibility, and instructed a bunch of Democrats to go cast crossover votes for the guy.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)

300 *types*

*deletes*

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (JO9+V)

301 291 Who has time to stay on hold for an hour if they are working?
So his callers are either not employed or are retired.
Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (zuDPz)


One fourth of the US population is out of the work force, so there is a vast pool to choose from.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (CMkNk)

302 Edit to me - frankly, I'm not sure we're a minority in the GOP - Tea Party identification alone runs to 40% of primary voters.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (QKIQb)

303 Those assholes should block every fucking nominee until bozo stops his illegal orders

Posted by: Avi at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (Vxe+6)

304 278
It's not a two-party system.



It's a two-ply system.

Posted by: Ron Dayne at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (mOEk5)


I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckin' stealing that.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (wtvvX)

305 the last six years. This is how dictators come to power.

Posted by: Jukin at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (WGm5T)

306 I wonder if Boehner and McConnell really know what they're doing? They see the rank and file Ds being completely fine with Obama brazenly lying to sell Obamacare (never mind how much they're in favor of war now, too) but he forgets that the right freaked out, rightly, over Harriet Myers. They think they're herding sheep.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (7v8o1)

307 I'm out of here.... looking for some carbs to eat...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (Bn6aD)

308 In before the Republican toadys!

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (evdj2)

309 "Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?"


none, zero it's as if the last election never even happened.

Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (vA94g)

310 "We're going there anyway. The only question is how long it takes. The ratchet only moves one direction.
"

This. I'll opt for a longshot chance to break the downward spiral over a certainty of decay and failure.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (QKIQb)

311 Lynch is BFF from college days with Eric Holder's wife. I would think that relevant to a confirmation process where the outgoing AG has been held in contempt of Congress

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 26, 2015 12:58 PM (EPEqj)

312 Also, it's odd that Akin is raising a Tea Party banner, as he didn't win his primary because of Tea Party support. He won because Team McCaskill figured out he was her weakest general election opponent possibility, and instructed a bunch of Democrats to go cast crossover votes for the guy.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)

---

Akin never was the Tea Party Darling. Sarah Steelman was.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 26, 2015 12:59 PM (NaV4z)

313 Some of the real goals of the FCC ambush takeover of the internet (they gave no warning they were gonna do this).

1) Drive small ISPs out of business. Fascism and corporatism prefer a small # of big companies to control. All the little ISPs have got to go.

Massive new regulations drive up costs - especially for little guys. Big guys can absorb it easier.

2) Taxes. Title II explicitly opens broadband to taxes. Right now FCC won't apply the taxes, but they just granted themselves authority to do so at any point in the future. As ppl drop landlines, tax revenue goes down, FCC wants that tax money

3) Trial lawyer giveaway. These new regulations open up broadband providers to more class action lawsuits from trial lawyers.

4) Municipal broadband. Left has some fantasy about dirty hippies stringing fiber and running municipal co-op broadband. Yay, Government Internet.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 12:59 PM (ZPrif)

314 I wonder if Boehner and McConnell really know what they're doing? They see the rank and file Ds being completely fine with Obama brazenly lying to sell Obamacare (never mind how much they're in favor of war now, too) but he forgets that the right freaked out, rightly, over Harriet Myers. They think they're herding sheep.

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From their perspective, they see a lot less rank and file Ds.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 12:59 PM (gmeXX)

315 Those assholes should block every fucking nominee until bozo stops his illegal orders
Posted by: Avi at February 26, 2015 12:57 PM (Vxe+6)

----

**pfffft**

I'll just executive order them in then.

Posted by: Our President at February 26, 2015 01:00 PM (NaV4z)

316 Is it possible that McConnell and Boehner fear Obama has the power to simply not leave, and have thus decided to go along ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 01:00 PM (cBvzT)

317 Is it possible that McConnell and Boehner fear Obama has the power to simply not leave, and have thus decided to go along ?

If so, they're even worse cowards than I take them for.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 01:00 PM (kff5f)

318 Nood

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2015 01:00 PM (wtvvX)

319 Without an article V convention, and term limits placed on the Supreme Court, there will be a deadlocked/left leaning court for the next two presidential cycles, or until another marxist president is elected by the free shit celebrity illegals voting crowd and one of the constitutional justices is ill and needs replaced. Then it will go permanently full marxist.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 12:53 PM (zuDPz)


With an Article V convention, the Progressives will use every last bit of power and money to take it over and pass a new Constitution that makes South Africa's look reactionary in comparison...

Posted by: The Conventional Hat at February 26, 2015 01:01 PM (0Ew3K)

320 Appropo of nothing, Exhibition of Killer Heels, ends Mar. 1 at the Brooklyn Museum.

For the 'ettes because I care.

http://tinyurl.com/nfdaboq

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at February 26, 2015 01:02 PM (myGBe)

321 Just read the ATF release. That California study on lead in Condors is such BS.

Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 01:02 PM (659DL)

322
All in favor of Article V.

2 caveats; it takes too many people to enact the correct legislation (a la Levin) and not enough time.

And the clock is running out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (CMkNk)


Article 5 is the last great hope. Elections have proven to enforce the establishment.

When all the peaceful options expire there are still all those hills.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 01:02 PM (WNERA)

323 Is it possible that McConnell and Boehner fear Obama has the power to simply not leave, and have thus decided to go along ?

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No, but I do think that the human tendancy of going along to get along partly explains their decisions. Bottom line is that they are doing what they have always done - in a way. By really doing nothing but token pushback on Obama, they have increased GOP respresentations and their own personal power.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 01:02 PM (gmeXX)

324 "Having the expectation that leadership will do silly, counter-productive
things just to salve the emotional needs of people like Drew and some
of the commenters here, and then being righteously indignant when they
refuse to do those silly, counter-productive things, is just plain dumb."

Your side has said this about every hill they weren't willing to die on since 2008. Who's being "just plain dumb" here and who's salving their emotions?

At what point to you realize that Ike Boehner and Ray McConnell don't really feel for you what you feel for them?

Don't listen to your friends who say "he's cheating," Stand by your men.

And stock up on masacara and sunglasses.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:03 PM (QKIQb)

325 288 Akin isn't Tea Party, right?

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 12:55 PM (nbgPm)





Allegedly he is. The problem when he ran was that he was one of several Tea Party candidates and somehow won out.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 12:56 PM (CMkNk)


Obviously anyone can call himself "Tea Party" because for all practical purposes, there really is no such thing. Hell, Roy Blunt could call himself Tea Party if he wants.

The fact is though, Rapin Akin was NOT a Tea Party candidate in 2012. He was a sitting Congressman, and had ALWAYS been part of the sometimes looney "religious right." What he clearly showed after he was nominated that he was 90% looney, and 10% right. I supposed if he wants to glom onto "Tea Party" now, he will, but there is 0% chance he's going to unseat Blunt.

We here in Missouri loves us our incumbents.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 01:03 PM (TOk1P)

326 Loretta Lynch is the daughter of a rabble rousing preacher dad who is a commie.


Does this sound familiar?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 01:03 PM (0FSuD)

327 With an Article V convention, the Progressives will use every last bit of power and money to take it over and pass a new Constitution that makes South Africa's look reactionary in comparison...
Posted by: The Conventional Hat at February 26, 2015 01:01 PM (0Ew3K)

No They Won't. Please read easily obtainable information on an Article V convention.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 01:03 PM (zuDPz)

328 NOT, only one inch.
Posted by: Nip
----------------

I'm pretty sure that I predicted this would be a non-event. The weather people just like the spotlight.

Posted by: Venezuela at February 26, 2015 01:04 PM (vPh3W)

329 Article 5 is the last great hope.

More viable is a true 10th Amendment movement in the several states. Quit taking the Feds money and quit enforcing their mandates.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 01:04 PM (evdj2)

330 C'mon guys, all this proves is how badly we need everyone's support to take back this White House in 2016.
We can't help the way the rules of the Senate are set up, and we can't just change the rules for short term gains. You know how that would look to the press?
No, my friends, this is a long game, and we need to stand resolute with the GOP to turn back this agenda and bring freedom and prosperity back to this great nation.
Now's not the time for acrimony in the party, or for foolish charges up unwinnable hills. Now is the time to make your voice heard by donating what you can to the RNCC, so we can protect our slim majority in the senate and win the
White House in 2016. Then we all will be in the right position to reclaim the American Dream.

Posted by: GOPfundraiser, trying to sell shit to dairy farmers at February 26, 2015 01:04 PM (XmOA9)

331 You know it is possible that this country peacefully dissolves. I'm not betting on it, but I would bet on it more than a second civil war (if we truly mean a war).

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 01:05 PM (gmeXX)

332 "what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?"

they have given me solid reasons to never support the GOPe again, on anything...

or was this a trick question?

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 01:05 PM (7vjeC)

333 A third party is a horrible idea and will do nothing except help the Democrats. But there is another alternative: an Article V Convention of States. I agree that we can either keep doing the same thing over and over again and keep getting the same results, or we can try something else. I suggest trying this. It can't possibly be worse than the status quo.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 01:05 PM (TF/YA)

334 So I am looking for a package from NYC. I google up time for package to arrive at my home.



USPS answer for ALL inquiries? 2-7 days. They have this shit nailed down, that's for sure. Wonder why they are going broke?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (0FSuD)

335 they have increased GOP representation and their own personal power[b/].
Posted by: SH

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That

Posted by: Venezuela at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (vPh3W)

Posted by: Venezuela at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (vPh3W)

337 Also on "silly counterproductive" things - the chess player mentality is ill-suited for politics or human conflict in general. We're not robots - we require inspiration and emotion on some level. We need to trust those who ask us to make sacrifices.

That's why Kirk was captain and Spock wasn't.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (QKIQb)

338 Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 01:05 PM (gmeXX)

How ironic that one of our best options may be to follow the example of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (TF/YA)

339 I'm pretty sure that I predicted this would be a non-event. The weather people just like the spotlight.

Posted by: Venezuela at February 26, 2015 01:04 PM (vPh3W)

This all own Bakery stock.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (0FSuD)

340 Whew...,
/ teases barrel, sheds corrupt socialist state sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 01:07 PM (vPh3W)

341 how much money did the Republican senior leadership sell out for? I hope they sold their asses for high dollars. I'd hate to think they sold out for a few paltry million...

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at February 26, 2015 01:07 PM (cR9GI)

342 JohnJ, I'm all for Article V. It's not either-or. But the GOP is going to fight just as hard to strangle that puppy in its blanket as a third party, and my third party's legislators can vote for your convention just like any other office holder.

I don't see them as alternatives, I see them as concurrent strategies.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:08 PM (QKIQb)

343 333
A third party is a horrible idea and will do nothing except help the
Democrats. But there is another alternative: an Article V Convention of
States. I agree that we can either keep doing the same thing over and
over again and keep getting the same results, or we can try something
else. I suggest trying this. It can't possibly be worse than the status
quo.


Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 01:05 PM (TF/YA)

Calling for a third party is a way for people who are frustrated to feel like there is a magical way out of political problems. There isn't.

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:08 PM (nbgPm)

344 What's current good pricing for brass-cased .223?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 01:09 PM (vPh3W)

345 Hillary may be a lousy campaigner, but the Hillbot I know was all "I'm ready for Hillary" and how she was going to "ball bust" all these "old white men". I had to laugh and laugh about how old "ballbuster" had Bill horndogging on everything on two legs within reach or eyeshot, getting hummers from chunky interns, selfies with porn stars, partying on Orgy Island - and subtly undermining Hilldebeast with public comments. Some ballbusting. Then we discussed things that were old and white for real: Hillary and her pube-jungle. I laughed and laughed...

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 26, 2015 01:09 PM (W9yI9)

346 "...and pass a new Constitution that makes South Africa's look reactionary in comparison..."

That's only possible if supermajorities support the remake. If that's the case, Article V would just be pumping another bullet into an already dead horse. It's worth the shot, so to speak.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:10 PM (QKIQb)

347 NY Slime has a story on CPAC with a pic of a college kid in US Flag shorts.


Someone needs to tell that dickhead he is breaking the US Flag code.



Conservatives should know better.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 01:10 PM (0FSuD)

348 As an additional point, I watched the hearings particularly interested in the vaunted debate and questioning skills of Sen. Cruz. Frankly, she owned him; and she owned him in a particular way that is a window into why he isn't going to be the 2016 nominee, if he even runs at all.

She stuck doggedly, although pleasantly professionally, to her talking points regardless of how many ways he asked her the same questions. She had about 4-5 different ways of deflecting his inquires, all of which in the end amounted to "FYNQ." Every one with a smile and lots of reasonable-sounding phrasing. He was reduced to complaining about her non-answers instead of getting the sound-bite he was obviously fishing for.

Hmmm. That dynamic sounds very familiar, doesn't it? Ted Cruz was acting out the Scott Walker vs. the MSM action from this past week. Here's a hint: Cruz wasn't in the Scott Walker role.

If Cruz couldn't get a simple career US Attorney to bite on his shit, how can any of his supporters expect someone like the actual Scott Walker to bite on it during a primary debate?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at February 26, 2015 01:10 PM (ljZD2)

349 JohnJ - nothing goes on forever - parties, countries - anything is possible. The smart money is that the GOP and D party will still be fighting it out 100 years from now with each party gaining control during the next 100 years. But forever is a long time.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 01:11 PM (gmeXX)

350 "Calling for a third party is a way for people who are frustrated to feel
like there is a magical way out of political problems. There isn't."

Calling for people to accept a shit sandwich every day is a way for people who are resigned to powerless passivity to excuse their surrender as sophistication and realism.

And if you're thinking this party is going to roll back government any time in any way, you're the one cargo-culting.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:12 PM (QKIQb)

351 344
What's current good pricing for brass-cased .223?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 01:09 PM (vPh3W)

Ask VIA. I paid $887 for 1800 rounds of M855 last week. Shipping is $50. Finding it now will be the problem.
Try Ammo Supply Company, google it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 01:12 PM (0FSuD)

352 Calling for a third party is a way for people who
are frustrated to feel like there is a magical way out of political
problems. There isn't.


Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:08 PM (nbgPm)

I know. It's as if they think that a conservative who can't even win a GOP primary would somehow overwhelmingly win a general election. That's just a bizarre way to think.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 01:13 PM (TF/YA)

353 If Cruz couldn't get a simple career US Attorney to bite on his shit, how can any of his supporters expect someone like the actual Scott Walker to bite on it during a primary debate?

----

I'd submit that they are fairly different matters altogether. If Cruz' campaign is built on getting his fellow nominees to bite on sound bites, I suspect his campaign will be short-lived.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 01:14 PM (gmeXX)

354 With an Article V convention, the Progressives will use every last bit of power and money to take it over and pass a new Constitution that makes South Africa's look reactionary in comparison...
Posted by: The Conventional Hat at February 26, 2015 01:01 PM (0Ew3K)

No They Won't. Please read easily obtainable information on an Article V convention.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 26, 2015 01:03 PM (zuDPz)


I have. They're wrong. And yes, I am including Levin in the "wrong" catagory.

Posted by: The Constitutional Hat at February 26, 2015 01:14 PM (0Ew3K)

355 Holy shit this sounds like fun. Next year a moron contention?



http://tinyurl.com/m89t7et

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 01:16 PM (0FSuD)

356 FCC votes to aprove Gov Takeover of Internet.

Another American Freedom kissed good-bye.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 01:16 PM (rDqRv)

357
Calling for people to accept a shit sandwich
every day is a way for people who are resigned to powerless passivity to
excuse their surrender as sophistication and realism.

And if you're thinking this party is going to roll back government any time in any way, you're the one cargo-culting.




Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:12 PM (QKIQb)

What's your solution?

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:16 PM (nbgPm)

358 "...and pass a new Constitution that makes South Africa's look reactionary in comparison..."

That's only possible if supermajorities support the remake. If that's the case, Article V would just be pumping another bullet into an already dead horse. It's worth the shot, so to speak.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:10 PM (QKIQb)


Throw in some nonsense about a right to food and welfare, some "for the children" language, and the LIVs will vote for it via state conventions.

Posted by: The Constitutional Hat at February 26, 2015 01:16 PM (0Ew3K)

359 "I know. It's as if they think that a conservative who can't even win a
GOP primary would somehow overwhelmingly win a general election. That's
just a bizarre way to think."

John Jay 1, Straw Man 0.

Have I ever said a third party is going to win in 2016? I've always said it's a long walk in the wilderness, start local and state level, don't even worry about national beyond a single House seat, etc...

Going around America stirring up ennui - and complacency. Wets of world unite.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:17 PM (QKIQb)

360 Uncle Rick and trumpetdaddy (and df82) - but they may all be the same - are unintentional parodies of clueless Beltway parasites.

They display zero understanding of congressional mechanics or the most basic political strategies, but assure themselves that other, more experienced and savvy people here are relying on "emotion".

Or they're just sarcastic socks who aren't letting on.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2015 01:18 PM (afQnV)

361 "Throw in some nonsense about a right to food and welfare, some "for the
children" language, and the LIVs will vote for it via state conventions."

Once again, if we're that far gone, the sooner I know it, the sooner I can clear out. No one is saying these are magic bullets - as far as I can tell, everyone on my side here is just saying either take the longshot or accept terminal decline. I'd rather take the shot.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:18 PM (QKIQb)

362 135 At this point I think we can finally admit that Congress has ceased to be a branch of government.

At most, they pass enabling acts.

Obama is a dictator.

Posted by: The Julian Hat at February 26, 2015 12:31 PM (0Ew3K)



The remarkable thing was that no Reichstag fire was necessary. They voluntarily ceded their own power.

I sure would like to see some of the dossiers on members of Congress. Those blackmail threats must have been a doozy.

Posted by: rickl at February 26, 2015 01:19 PM (zoehZ)

363 "What's your solution?"

See above. See every post on the GOP this week. I'm not shy about it, and verbose to a fault.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:20 PM (QKIQb)

364
Have I ever said a third party is going to win in 2016? I've always
said it's a long walk in the wilderness, start local and state level,
don't even worry about national beyond a single House seat, etc...

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:17 PM (QKIQb)


Which third party? An existing one (Constitution, America First, Libertarian) or a something brand new?

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:20 PM (nbgPm)

365 Or they're just sarcastic socks who aren't letting on.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2015 01:18 PM (afQnV)


DaFuq? What about me?

Posted by: GOPfundraiser, trying to sell shit to dairy farmers at February 26, 2015 01:20 PM (XmOA9)

366 I think he just looks like someone who is still upset over the fact he wasn't cast as Harry Potter.

But yes, the sentiment on his sign is stupid.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2015 01:20 PM (DXzRD)

367
I'd submit that they are fairly different matters altogether. If
Cruz' campaign is built on getting his fellow nominees to bite on sound
bites, I suspect his campaign will be short-lived.

I wonder what else it could possible be built on. He has no actual record of leadership in the Senate beyond running his mouth. Same as Obama in 2006 and 2007. Obviously, that isn't an impediment to winning pace Obama, but the field is a lot stronger than the Democrat field was for Obama in 2007-08.

I say the same thing about Paul and Rubio. None of these possible first-term senators has any actual substantive record to offer primary voters. Bush and Walker both have actual governing records, Walker's obviously more recent and more conservative, and thus far more appealing. Plus he isn't named "Bush."

But Cruz, particularly, is lionized as some kind of conservative savior. He hasn't actually done jack shit beyond talk. He impotence in the hearings for Lynch are merely an example of his lack of concrete accomplishment in the Senate.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at February 26, 2015 01:21 PM (ljZD2)

368 Once again, if we're that far gone, the sooner I
know it, the sooner I can clear out. No one is saying these are magic
bullets - as far as I can tell, everyone on my side here is just saying
either take the longshot or accept terminal decline. I'd rather take the
shot.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:18 PM (QKIQb)

Absolutely. A Convention wouldn't give liberals power to do anything they're not already doing, and it at least offers a chance to reverse some of the damage. The riskier road is to not try.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 01:21 PM (TF/YA)

369 Congress has ceased to exist as a co-equal branch of the Government. And Fredo and the Dems changed the rules to cook the Courts.

Banana Republic here we come

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 01:22 PM (rDqRv)

370 Allegedly he is. The problem when he ran was that he was one of several Tea Party candidates and somehow won out.

The word is that "Air" Claire Mckill funded ads FOR Todd because she wanted to face him. He's actually a decent guy, just a little too dogmatic for national politics.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 26, 2015 01:22 PM (5buP8)

371 "Which third party? An existing one (Constitution, America First, Libertarian) or a something brand new?"

Brand new. No previous party has enough infrastructure and lack of baggage to justify a "shell party" approach. For messaging and branding purposes alone, a new party's the better idea.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:22 PM (QKIQb)

372 just called the az office for flake re: lynch asking why....the idiot on the other end of the phone said he couldn't speak for flake...but he could have a written response from flake sent out......wtf? i want my vote back from flake, he's fucking useless.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 26, 2015 01:23 PM (u8GsB)

373 Banana Republic here we come

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 01:22 PM (rDqRv)

You may have missed it, but we passed that stop a couple years ago.

Next Stop. Gulags and ditches, bitchez!

Posted by: GOPfundraiser, trying to sell shit to dairy farmers at February 26, 2015 01:24 PM (XmOA9)

374 Brand new. No previous party has enough
infrastructure and lack of baggage to justify a "shell party" approach.
For messaging and branding purposes alone, a new party's the better
idea.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:22 PM (QKIQb)

Is there any new party out there at a local level? How can it go national?

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:24 PM (nbgPm)

375 "Quick question, other than getting Keystone to Obama for a veto, what difference has the GOP majority in the Senate made so far?"

It's not just Democrats ass-raping us now.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 26, 2015 01:25 PM (qNZ3I)

376 damn dirty sock.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 26, 2015 01:25 PM (XmOA9)

377 "But Cruz, particularly, is lionized as some kind of conservative savior."

I've been very clear about not trusting anyone in politics including Cruz.

I don't want a lion or a savior - I want a pol who votes the way I want him to in return for my vote.

Cruz isn't a substitute for the larger argument - beat on him all you like, the GOP won't smell one bit better.

I'm not stumping for Cruz, I'm asking people to recognize they're in a no-win, one-way-ratchet downward spiral with this party. Until someone recognizes the problem, they're not going to be open to solving it, no matter who or how.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:27 PM (QKIQb)

378 JJStone, chemjeff, others - solution? Solution?

Kind of obvious. GOP should use its position - aggressively, ruthlessly - to block every single thing this lawless admin. tries to do. Including doing a little vandalism and making an example of an AG nominee, forcing them to make do with a place-holder (if you don't understand how off the rails the DOJ is, look into it - forcing a place-holder on them might only hamper them a bit, but it's long past time for "throw everything you have at them").

Oh - and on the little matter of DHS appropriations. Every GOP incumbent should be framing the issue clearly - the Dems want to hold national security hostage to ensure that lawless presidential behavior results in mass amnesty.

The substance and politics of all these big issues line up perfectly for the opposition party. Cannot remember when the alignment was so pristine. These are gigantic clubs the GOP should be using to beat the Dems (and the press) with, mercilessly. Pathetic little Jeb Bush actually provides a ridiculously easy target to use, as well. Beat up on a GOP headliner whose views/statements on illegal immigration are kookier than anything Lyndon Larouche ever said - and just as politically unpopular.

The opportunities and tools for torturing and defeating the administration - and simultaneously greatly strengthening the GOP's positioning for 2016 - are obvious and abundant. Not everyone without Beltway experience will see this as easily, but a first step is to shed tribalistic party loyalty and think about outcomes.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2015 01:28 PM (afQnV)

379 Next Stop. Gulags and ditches, bitchez!
Posted by: GOPfundraiser, trying to sell shit to dairy farmers at February 26, 2015 01:24 PM (XmOA9)

For some maybe. For me- I'm going down fighting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 01:29 PM (rDqRv)

380 It's over. What we've witnessed the last couple of months is just the prelude. Our republic is gone.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2015 01:31 PM (JAWal)

381 SocietyIs2Blame, as I said yesterday, you have my full proxy here. I think you understand basic political dynamics and focus on substance, not personalities and mindless emotional things (party loyalty).

For all those here understandably expressing outrage and despair, I can only say it's actually *worse* than you think when viewed from the perspective of people who have been there and done that WRT the Hill, etc.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2015 01:32 PM (afQnV)

382 "Throw in some nonsense about a right to food and welfare, some "for the
children" language, and the LIVs will vote for it via state conventions."

Once again, if we're that far gone, the sooner I know it, the sooner I can clear out. No one is saying these are magic bullets - as far as I can tell, everyone on my side here is just saying either take the longshot or accept terminal decline. I'd rather take the shot.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:18 PM (QKIQb)


No.

It would be suicide.

There will be no remnant.

It won't be more of the same. It'll be far, far worse when there is no restraint what-so-ever and the Progressives have been empowered, nay mandated to create a "utopia on earth".

The Constitution, even as ignored and trampled upon as it is, stands as a bulwark against something far, far worse.

Posted by: The Constitutional Hat at February 26, 2015 01:33 PM (0Ew3K)

383 270
As that gets worse, partisanship increases even further to the point where citizens perceive somebody of the other party as a direct threat to their survival. Civil War occurs.

Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 12:51 PM (659DL)



Seriously, I've been there since November 2008. I would go into a supermarket and think, "Half of these people would have no problem with the government killing me and redistributing my property to them."

Posted by: rickl at February 26, 2015 01:33 PM (zoehZ)

384 "Is there any new party out there at a local level? How can it go national?'

Lots of little proto-parties, lots of talk and dissatisfaction. I'd prefer it start local, frankly, or state level at most. My Holy Grail would be one House seat on the "national" level.

One of the many "hardest" parts is to keep the message simple and on point, avoiding hijacking. The Tea Parties got mixed and muddled with social conservatism. I'm not anti-so-con myself, but the original fi-con only, issue oriented idea was the most viable and it was the idea animating the grassroots early on. Ideas I like are no deficits/balanced budgets to start, rule of law, and construing government as a last-resort, strictly delimited powers necessary evil in general. Stay away from social issues, particularly abortion and marriage (FWIW, I'm pro-life/state issue, anti-gay marriage personally).

Then getting on the ballot, getting funding, and the other whorishly hard hurdles start. It's a decades-long project, but UKIP shows there's hope for it in an Anglo democracy.

And the alternative is the long night, sooner or later. Course correction in the present system simply won't happen.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:34 PM (QKIQb)

385 If what you want is a politician to vote the way you want in exchange for your vote, you will inevitably be disappointed, unless you run, yourself.

All a politician owes you is his best judgement on any given issue. He isn't your cipher, he isn't your doppleganger, he isn't your factotum, or errand-boy. He is your representative and that necessarily means that he is going to "represent" you in the way that he thinks best.

You are free to vote against him just as you are free to hire another lawyer or go to a different doctor if you feel they aren't "representing" you and your concerns the way you like. But, that's it. No more and no less than that.

And if you are smart, you'll be careful about how often you want to switch representatives, just as you'll be careful about firing your attorney or your doctor on the whim of the moment, as well.

The party has to do with things on any given issue as they are, and as they could be made to be, not according to some fantasy, wish-fulfillment universe that doesn't exist. In that context, Loretta Lynch's nomination getting to the Senate floor isn't a surprise, nor will it be a surprise should she be ultimately confirmed.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at February 26, 2015 01:34 PM (ljZD2)

386


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:34 PM (QKIQb)

I don't know (or think) if you will succeed but at least you have thought this out deeper than most. Good luck.

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:37 PM (nbgPm)

387 So, if I read my Alinksy right, doesn't "collapse the system" come next, to insure emergency measures, martial law and a permanent ascendency to power? Doom, sweet Doom, is that you knocking?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 26, 2015 01:37 PM (5buP8)

388 "The Constitution, even as ignored and trampled upon as it is, stands as a bulwark against something far, far worse."

How is it accomplishing that? How long will it be before we degenerate into "far far worse" anyway?

I understand where you're coming from and have no doubt the worst Bolshies out there would Paulbot and blackhat any process they were involved in, but if the other members of the social contract want Europe that badly, they're going to get it. We're just hoping that Prog support rests more on distortion and deflection than outright "give us free shit because we outnumber you." If we're already Greece, Article V will just be a footnote to an already done nation.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:37 PM (QKIQb)

389 Seems to be no lack of folks advising me to not believe my lying eyes ... and that the GOPe is still my last, best hope.


Well boys, have at your political solution. Who knows ? Maybe they'll come for you last.


Me ? I know a take-over when I see one.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 01:40 PM (cBvzT)

390 "The party has to do with things on any given issue as they are, and as
they could be made to be, not according to some fantasy,
wish-fulfillment universe that doesn't exist."

Check the GOP track record since Reagan. Since 1994. Since 2000. Since 2010. They're selling you awfully short on what's possible and what's a fantasy. It's a tyranny of reduced expectations. If you choose to buy in, so be it. If enough of us are both sufficiently hopeful and sufficiently realistic to make something better happen, you'll benefit. If not, we're all fucked anyway.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:41 PM (QKIQb)

391 We are beyond a political solution on the fed level no matter who we elect nationally.

*types*

*deletes*

*types*

*deletes*

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2015 01:43 PM (JAWal)

392 "just as you'll be careful about firing your
attorney or your doctor on the whim of the moment, as well."

I've given clients much the same speech. But let's be real here - if my doctor had a track record like Team GOP, I'd be dead. If my lawyer did, I'd be in jail or bankrupt.

A growing dissatisfaction that started with HW Bush is hardly "the whim of the moment." I've stayed faithful despite the fact that all I have to show for it since the Cold War is moderately effective welfare reform (now abandoned) and the minor Bush tax cuts. And a shitload of broken promises and busted hopes.

Not exactly a spur of the moment decision on my part.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:46 PM (QKIQb)

393 People underestimate how long society can put up with tyranny.

If the game plan is purposely make things go from bad to worse in order to cause a revolution, I could easy see my future grand kids living under a Chavez type government.

I still think it's a whole lot easier (and safer) to shift the current GOP and start knocking them off than start something from the ground up. Especially since nobody would be able to build a consensus on what the new Party looks like.

The Whigs were cast off over a single issue: slavery, and the GOP was born. You don't have such a consensus on what exactly modern conservatism is. You have the SoCon, the FiCons, NeoConservatives, Chamber of Commerce type, etc.


Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 01:46 PM (YalUx)

394 "The Constitution, even as ignored and trampled upon as it is, stands as a bulwark against something far, far worse."

How is it accomplishing that? How long will it be before we degenerate into "far far worse" anyway?

I understand where you're coming from and have no doubt the worst Bolshies out there would Paulbot and blackhat any process they were involved in, but if the other members of the social contract want Europe that badly, they're going to get it. We're just hoping that Prog support rests more on distortion and deflection than outright "give us free shit because we outnumber you." If we're already Greece, Article V will just be a footnote to an already done nation.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 01:37 PM (QKIQb)


Let's just say I'm not convinced by the "Let's overthrow the Czar; what's the worst that can happen?" line of argument.

Posted by: The October Hat at February 26, 2015 01:50 PM (0Ew3K)

395 One of the many "hardest" parts is to keep the message simple and on
point, avoiding hijacking. The Tea Parties got mixed and muddled with
social conservatism.
__________________

Yes, it unfortunately did get hijacked by the crazies. I was also excited by the Tea Party movement, but in a few months it basically became a place for Christine O'Donnell types.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 01:50 PM (YalUx)

396 Let's just say I'm not convinced by the "Let's overthrow the Czar; what's the worst that can happen?" line of argument.

Posted by: The October Hat

Bingo.

Especially when there's alternatives.

And also, I know the popular meme is that the GOP is not really a conservative political party, but it has shifted dramatically to the Right over my lifetime. Most Republicans were like Olympia Snowe in the 1980's. Even Reagan was afraid of welfare reform.

We can shift it into the right direction, it just takes time.

Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 01:54 PM (YalUx)

397 We can shift it into the right direction, it just takes time.


Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 01:54 PM (YalUx)
This, all the way.

Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 01:57 PM (nbgPm)

398 We don't even agree on a solution here. If they take the intertubes from us will we agree less?

Posted by: zombie wilt chanberlain at February 26, 2015 01:59 PM (WNERA)

399 Kentucky, you are dead to me. Idiots.

Posted by: John at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (C/2OS)

400 Shorter version of Drew-One-Note:

THE GOP SUCKS version 273

Posted by: deadrody at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (vJOFB)

401 All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing but vote Republican. Third party, anyone?

Posted by: herb borkland at February 27, 2015 09:53 AM (JF94C)

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