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Jeb Bush Doesn't Seem To Think Much Of Americans
Everyone knows Jeb Bush is a big proponent of immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens (Well, not all of them. More on that in a bit). What's beginning to emerge though is a picture of a guy who not only thinks coming here illegally is "an act of love" but a necessary corrective for a failing society that needs to be remade in fundamental ways. Sound familiar?
That's not my spin, that's from noted Rightwing Nut Job, David Frum.Both Jeb Bush and Barack Obama are men who have openly and publicly struggled with their ambivalence about their family inheritance. Both responded by leaving the place of their youth to create new identities for themselves: Barack Obama, as an organizer in the poor African-American neighborhoods of Chicago; Jeb Bush in Mexico, Venezuela, and at last in Cuban-influenced Miami. Both are men who have talked a great deal about the feeling of being “between two worlds”: Obama, in his famous autobiography; Bush, in his speeches. Both chose wives who would more deeply connect them to their new chosen identity. Both derived from their new identity a sharp critique of their nation as it is. Both have built their campaign for president upon a deep commitment to fundamental transformation of their nation into what they believe it should be. ... "They’re more entrepreneurial, they set up more business, they buy more homes, they’re more family-oriented, they work in jobs that in many cases are jobs that have gone unfilled" (at 39:40) "I think Detroit would do real well if we started repopulating it with young, aspirational people." (45:20) "We have people that mope around thinking 'my life is bad, my children will not have the same opportunities that I had.' What a horrible notion in America, the most optimistic of places, and I think an economically driven immigration plan . . . would lift our spirits up dramatically." (19:25) "The one way that we can rebuild the demographic pyramid is to fix a broken immigration system. . . . If we do this, we will rebuild our country in a way that will allow us to grow. If we don’t do it, we will be in decline, because the productivity of this country is dependent on young people that are equipped to be able to work hard... Immigrants create far more businesses than native-born Americans over the last 20 years. Immigrants are more fertile, and they love families and they have more intact families." (12:25)The link goes to an NRO Corner piece quoting Frum's which I missed when it came out a few weeks ago. You can see the original here. I'm sure if this line is pursued in the primaries it will be greeted with defensive shrieks of RACISM! and NATIVISM! from the usual suspects. But if it's fair game to go after Obama for his non-traditional American values, surely it's fair to question a Republican who seems to hold his fellow countrymen in lower esteem than he does others coming here illegally. As for Bush's desire to give amnesty to illegals, it certainly extends to border jumpers who tend to come from Mexico and Central America. it does not however extend to all illegals. This is a WaPo story on a speech by Jeb from January.
Here's Bush: "We need to find a way, a path to legalized status for those that have come here and have languished in the shadows. There's no way that they're going to be deported -- no one's suggesting an organized effort to do that. The cost of that would be extraordinary." And here's Bush: "The 40 percent of the people that have come illegally came with a legal visa and overstayed their bounds. We ought to be able to find where they are and politely ask them to leave." ... But, it is striking that within two minutes of saying the "politely" line, Bush is, seemingly, contradicting himself by insisting that there is no way all of the people in the country illegally are going to be deported. (He starts the "politely" line at around 23:50 and the we're-not-going-to-round-them-up riff at 25:40.) The only possible explanation -- at least that I can think of -- is that Bush is differentiating between people who came to the country on legal visas, and then violated the law by staying once the visas ran out, vs. those who simply came to the country entirely illegally. Okay. But that's a very nuanced argument to make with what has become, politically, an absolutely black and white issue.How can you possibly account for differences between border jumpers and visa overstays? Look at who they are.
Those working to create a path to citizenship for people here illegally often make the distinction to highlight the diverse immigration issues the U.S. faces. Little is known about the demographics of the so-called overstayer population, but some studies suggest they tend to be better educated and more fluent in English than those who crossed the border illegally. They also are more likely to hail from European, Asian and African countries. And in many cases, they used tourist visas to enter the U.S. ... Madeleine Sumption, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, said that "visa overstayers would benefit more from a legalization program. They have higher levels of skills but are being held back by their legal status." They may have difficulty landing high-skilled jobs because of their illegal status and instead settle for low-skilled positions, she said.Jeb's not a stupid man. He surely knows the difference between the people he wants to let stay here and the ones he want's to "politely ask to leave". I've written before that I support immigration reform but not amnesty for anyone regardless of where they are from or how they came to be here illegally. As part of that support I've also been upfront that I favor higher skilled immigrants over lower skilled ones no matter where they come from and I've laid out my reasons why. Jeb is running for President and he should have to explain his apparent bias in favor of low skilled immigrants. I generally think the notion that there aren't any differences between the two parties to be a silly one. I do however think that what differences there are are insufficient to the health of the nation. Unless Bush has a satisfactory explanation for his demographic engineering choices, a Jeb-Hillary match-up will be a major step forward in blurring what differences there are and advancing Obama's project to fundamentally change America.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 09:47 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 09:47 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Cato at February 26, 2015 09:48 AM (3HxZe)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 09:48 AM (kff5f)
Now to go read the post.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 09:48 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 09:49 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 09:49 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 09:50 AM (kSFil)
Your PLRs are gold. Don't hold back.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 09:50 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 09:51 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 26, 2015 09:51 AM (gwG9s)
I'm just for getting away from these bat-shit crazy bastards.
He wants to import Latinos because Americans are too lazy and don't make enough babies. Am I the only one that hears Eugenics in all that ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 09:52 AM (cBvzT)
those that have come here and have languished in the shadows. There's no
way that they're going to be deported, no one's suggesting an
organized effort to do that. The cost of that would be extraordinary.
That deportation meme has always been a red hearing. What we need to do is cut off all public aid to illegals and audit employers who hire them. First offense is a $1,000 fine per illegal. Second offense is mandatory jail which escalates at each offense.
If they have no government cheese and no work they will go home on their own.
Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 09:52 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 09:52 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (cbfNE)
will not have the same opportunities that I had.' What a horrible notion
in America, the most optimistic of places, and I think an economically
driven immigration plan . . . would lift our spirits up dramatically."
Yeah, not sure how importing immigrants *improves* one's chances of having more opportunities. Not when it's, say, a cheaper candidate for a coveted tech job you're competing against.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (lHHyw)
Yet nobody asks the obvious questions: why are Americans starting fewer businesses than in the past? Why are Americans having fewer children than in the past? Why are fewer Americans living in intact families than in the past?
And what makes us think that immigrants will be immune to these influences when they become Americans, too?
Posted by: Paul at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (GTyB/)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Lester at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (2UPXV)
Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (wlDny)
*Ahem*
Has everyone forgot about my foray into banking?
Posted by: Neil Bush at February 26, 2015 09:54 AM (lHHyw)
Why they hell not? Cheaper than paying them monthly to stay.
Operation Wetback - May, 1954.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 09:54 AM (8Fqe6)
Oh, and lots of nice beaches - Win again.
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 09:54 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Kreplach at February 26, 2015 09:55 AM (T/zmH)
Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 09:55 AM (ClirY)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 09:55 AM (VcOqI)
This immigration crisis is a created crisis, and it was created by people with agendas. Some want to get rich off it, some want to get votes off it. We can't surrender, because we're the ones who'll be paying for it, and be disenfranchised by it.
Also, bomb the Islamic State.
Posted by: Cato at February 26, 2015 09:55 AM (3HxZe)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 09:55 AM (FfvIz)
Jeb Bush is a f*cking idiot. It should be fairly easy to pull him into saying something like "heartless" which would kill his chances for good- not that I really think he has that much of a chance (but he does have a lot of money, so he's not down to "no chance").
And it doesn't surprise me that he's hispandering, and I bet he does know it. "We want to ask all those *other people*, you know, the ones who might actually start businesses and create jobs, to leave. But you, oh Brothers from the South! You we want to keep. Because cheep lawn service."
There's not really another way to interpret his position. Low-skilled (functionally no-skilled) workers compete for low-skilled, low-wage jobs. That prevents actual citizens (e.g.: teenagers) from getting those jobs, preventing them from moving up the job ladder as easily. Meanwhile, those low-skilled illegal aliens aren't particularly interested in moving up the job ladder.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 09:56 AM (kff5f)
Maybe I'm just a Nativist paranoid 2nd Amendment domestic terrorist according to the SPLC, but politicians who speak blithely about "repopulating" an area give me the willies.
Anyone who would think that "we" can "repopulate" an area, using government to do so, is also prone to believing he can "depopulate" another one.
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 09:56 AM (DLUnW)
Why they hell not? Cheaper than paying them monthly to stay.
Operation Wetback - May, 1954.
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Are you aware that the Dems want to give illegals upwards of $35k each for accrued EITC allowances? Deportation is, what, a couple of grand a head.
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 09:56 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: stourma at February 26, 2015 09:56 AM (ScMp8)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 09:57 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 26, 2015 09:57 AM (QXlbZ)
Posted by: BELIZE! at February 26, 2015 09:57 AM (gwG9s)
Posted by: leoncaruthers at February 26, 2015 09:57 AM (G5lyi)
He is BORING as crap. There is no way he has a chance at shit.
A third of the people just got up and left. I mean fcuking BORING.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 09:57 AM (0FSuD)
Fixed.
Mark Levin was playing some of Bush's shit last night. The guy sounded even worse than Obama.
Posted by: rickl at February 26, 2015 09:57 AM (zoehZ)
Bonus question ... Who thinks the sainted Middle Class will continue after the above ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (cBvzT)
Hmm, relocation to The East.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 09:53 AM (cbfNE)
It was very depressing. Be glad you skipped it. I freely confess that as a younger man I followed the crowd on the prison rape jokes. Then I actually put myself some knowledge on the subject, and that shit ain't funny.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (2Ojst)
Yep, adding 30+ million workers to the labor force is only going to push wages down. These jackass keep forgetting that labor a commodity like anything else. The greater the availability of the resource the cheaper it becomes. Pushing wages down.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (Y92Nd)
This immigration crisis is a created crisis, and it was created by people with agendas. Some want to get rich off it, some want to get votes off it. We can't surrender, because we're the ones who'll be paying for it, and be disenfranchised by it.
Also, bomb the Islamic State.
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Are you saying the party of slum lords have a vested interest in more tenants?
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (oDCMR)
Low-skilled (functionally no-skilled) workers compete for low-skilled, low-wage jobs.
Once they become legal, they won't work for "low" wages. They'll stay on welfare.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (FfvIz)
Yep, adding 30+ million workers to the labor force is only going to push wages down.
That's why we need to double the minimum wage.
/headdesk
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:00 AM (FfvIz)
Give it to me and it'll be #twoweeks
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:00 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 10:00 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at February 26, 2015 10:00 AM (zauWW)
Exactly.
If you want to "repopulate" Detroit, you need to fix its underlying issues. If you don't do that, the only way to "repopulate" it is to coerce/force people to go.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:00 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 26, 2015 10:01 AM (2x3L+)
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Wouldn't that be rayciss? Can't have any of that.
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 10:01 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 26, 2015 10:01 AM (zllbf)
Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (nbgPm)
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Wouldn't that be rayciss? Can't have any of that.
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 10:01 AM (oDCMR)
It would apply to a Canadian the same as a Colombian.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (FfvIz)
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (kSFil)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (NBhge)
government to do so, is also prone to believing he can "depopulate"
another one.
Exactly.
American Thinker had a great post "Importing Revolution" about this very thing:
"One
sign of an imperial government is that it does what it wishes with
whole populations.It can shift some here; move some there. It can
deport some there; import some here....
The motives behind moving whole populations via executive fiat break down into two main categories.
One
is to prevent revolution and unrest by moving and quarantining what are
considered indigestible peoples in order to weaken their resistance to
the powers that be....
But
there is a second reason for moving people around, and that is to
foster revolution by actively promoting unrest. The goal is to achieve "fundamental transformation" of a country by tearing down existing
structures, replacing them with a new order of government."
So I'm thinking Jeb is going for category 1 (prevent unrest), while Obama is going for category 2 (revolution). They're both scary.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (lHHyw)
low-wage jobs. That prevents actual citizens (e.g.: teenagers) from
getting those jobs, preventing them from moving up the job ladder as
easily.
There's a lot of people who think it's a good thing their teens don't work. Extends their childhood, frees up time for the "volunteer" bullshit for the college applications (in some plases required to get an HS diploma), etc.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 09:51 AM (oDCMR)
I don't have a ready to go rant on this, but it's something that's pissed me off my whole life. As somebody who has worked hard, made many personal sacrifices, and has lost much to be semi-successful, it bothers me to see people handed money, power and influence when they haven't earned it, and especially when they're destructive and stupid.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:03 AM (2Ojst)
That's why we need to double the minimum wage
Yea, the "living wage" bullcrap.
Minimum wage was never designed to be a living wage. It was designed for teens to get their feet on the ground with a first job and learn job/life skills.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:03 AM (sWgE+)
That, too.
I really don't get why people don't understand that any general Amnesty would be Very Bad For the Country.
I get that the political class doesn't *care.* But average people... that doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:03 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (/kI1Q)
I am definitely not one of them. This volunteer hours horseshit for high school pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:04 AM (2Ojst)
Most of these very productive new immigrants will join the FSA, increasing the size of our permanent underclass. That's what the law incentivizes them to do.
I'd like to hear cocksucker Jeb's solution to that problem.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (qNZ3I)
I think we're about to find out.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (T/zmH)
health insurance, disabilty and EITCs to anyone overseas who wants them.
Ballots will be included in the care packages.
There's something like 30 states that will let you register to vote there if you've never lived in the U.S. but one of your parents was registered to vote there once.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (/kI1Q)
Yep, adding 30+ million workers to the labor force is only going to push wages down. These jackass keep forgetting that labor a commodity like anything else. The greater the availability of the resource the cheaper it becomes. Pushing wages down.Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 09:58 AM (sWgE+)Nah, see, that's why they have to raise the minimum wage to 15 (or 17, or 20, etc.)/hr because business' are greedy. This will work out so much better, and if you don't believe so, you're stupid.
Posted by: nnptcgrad at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (aVYsC)
Posted by: Eliott Spitter at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (5fSr7)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (FfvIz)
There's a lot of people who think that racking up $60k in debt to study "Asian Feminine Influences on African Literature" is a good buy, too.
I put them all in the same category.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 10:05 AM (0FSuD)
In fairness, it was designed to keep Coloreds from underbidding white guys for low level jobs.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (evdj2)
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Wouldn't that be rayciss? Can't have any of that.
Give them the same free shit that Mexico gives it's illegals.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: HugoStiglitz at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (Moh0M)
I submit that the main motive for relocating populations, repopulating and depopulating areas, and all that, is simple and straightforward -- to TRAIN the population to understand that they are movable and depopulable.
Yes, "depopulable" isn't technically a word, but you know what I mean.
The message of re/depopulation is always the same: "WE DECIDE WHO LIVES WHERE."
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (DLUnW)
Posted by: Slowpoke Rodriguez at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (gwG9s)
The hours required for son in BSA far exceeded anything FCPS require. Just his Eagle project exceeded the FCPS hours.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (sWgE+)
Thank Roe vs Wade for that one. Is there nothing this government can't destroy?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at February 26, 2015 10:07 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 10:07 AM (cbfNE)
That about sums it up.
Can I steal that?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:07 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: RolandTHTG at February 26, 2015 10:07 AM (QM5S2)
The hours required for son in BSA far exceeded anything FCPS require. Just his Eagle project exceeded the FCPS hours.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:06 AM (sWgE+)
BSA is voluntary, the school part is coerced. Big difference.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:07 AM (2Ojst)
That about sums it up.
Can I steal that?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:07 AM (kff5f)
If you get permission, it's not theft. Kinda takes the excitement out of it.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:08 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: jmel at February 26, 2015 10:08 AM (cfFqn)
Walker /Jindal
NO MORE BUSHES! !!!
Posted by: jmel at February 26, 2015 10:08 AM (cfFqn)
One more vote for hardwood.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:08 AM (2Ojst)
I put them all in the same category.
"You want fries with that?"
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:08 AM (8Fqe6)
That news is brought to you by a guy that thinks he's getting tired of the piss in his Fruit Loops every morning.
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 10:09 AM (kSFil)
is to prevent revolution and unrest by moving and quarantining what are
considered indigestible peoples in order to weaken their resistance to
the powers that be....
A District 12, if you will...
Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 10:09 AM (659DL)
Yeah, but he did the Eagle Scout thing because he chose to be awesome. The "pick up trash for diploma" stuff is 1) coerced 2) has nothing to do with literacy, numeracy, etc.
(OK, the HS diploma has nothing to do with literacy either, but it used to.)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:09 AM (/kI1Q)
(OK, the HS diploma has nothing to do with literacy either, but it used to.)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:09 AM (/kI1Q)
Yup, that's pretty much my point as well.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:10 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 10:10 AM (cbfNE)
Yes he is. The kid has CP and did his Eagle WITHOUT accommodation. Stubborn in a good way.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:12 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 10:12 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 26, 2015 10:12 AM (wMP+e)
My high school instituted what they called "Sprit Day" where all the freshmen would clean the school grounds, paint, and plant decorative flowers. This was to raise "school spirit".
It quickly became known as "Freshman Slave Labor Day". Especially because it was not a poor district, but one in which parents paid heavy taxes to support, and everybody knew it. So they had plenty of money to pay for upkeep themselves.
Posted by: nnptcgrad at February 26, 2015 10:12 AM (aVYsC)
And for God's sake, can we stop with the "reform" bit? No one is interested in reforming anything. Laws are being ignored, and will be gutted, and there will be another round of amnesty.
Nothing is being reformed.
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 26, 2015 10:13 AM (Spluw)
I always wondered why high school students and Eagle Scout candidates and Girl Scouts and Catholic teenagers preparing for Confirmation and others are treated like low-level criminals.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 10:14 AM (8LT/S)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 10:14 AM (lHHyw)
I bet you have a KKK hood in your closet.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:14 AM (9VGVJ)
Because commoditizing sp? the competition is always good business - even when it's your neighbor.
You never see a lot of support for importing new labor in their own field, lawyer, CEO, politician, blog smartass, etc.
Posted by: DaveA at February 26, 2015 10:15 AM (DL2i+)
Yes he is. The kid has CP and did his Eagle WITHOUT accommodation. Stubborn in a good way.
Posted by: wrg500
Congratulations. As the father of an Eagle Scout, I know the work both of you put in.
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 10:15 AM (kSFil)
Were it not for the beautiful green mountains of Vermont and the lovely progressive people here, I would have left for Europe years ago.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at February 26, 2015 10:15 AM (RGNRD)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 10:15 AM (0FSuD)
Then it will be time to bring in some more.
Posted by: J.E.B. Bush at February 26, 2015 10:15 AM (W5DcG)
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 10:15 AM (kSFil)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:16 AM (2Ojst)
...Who can't seem to fill out the paperwork at a US embassy to come in legally? I bet we already offer the paperwork in their native language too.
Odd that.
Posted by: JDub at February 26, 2015 10:16 AM (X3xYu)
It's always a bit when that word comes up. And it's a tired one at that.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 10:17 AM (8LT/S)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:17 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:17 AM (FfvIz)
Forget immigration "reform".
How about we enforce EXISTING law?
I'm beyond tired of the hypocritical bullshit being spewed by both sides here.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 26, 2015 10:17 AM (jeCnD)
Sure, good honest people will be hurt but what other option do we have?
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:17 AM (evdj2)
Just finding and requiring termination of illegals would drive their cost higher than their benefits.
Close ALL the borders, physical, employment, benefits and ballot!
Posted by: DaveA at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (DL2i+)
Drug cartels have awsome branding skillz.
Posted by: Michael Haz at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (APCKW)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: @votermom
Feed ghey hobos.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (eytER)
Posted by: @votermom
Feed ghey hobos.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (8Fqe6)
With hobo meat. For the lulz.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (2Ojst)
skilled immigrants over lower skilled ones no matter where they come
from and I've laid out my reasons why.
Jog my memory, why do you want to drive down wages of people who are actually good for something?
Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (A6vWB)
I supported Jeb's brother, George W. Bush, and not because he was a great President; he wasn't. He was a mediocre President, all things considered. What the country emphatically needs--especially in a time of war--is Commander-in-Chief able to communicate straightforward policy ideas and sway and move the public. W was not that. No, I supported W because I agreed with his moral compass. Truth be told, I don't like Jeb's father much either, who never could get his head around that 'vision thing'. Jeez Louise: 'That vision thing'.
If we're going to do dynasties and go with royalty, let's at least have one where they at least look the role and can speak in complete, coherentsentences.
Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (CAJL/)
Posted by: DaveA at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (DL2i+)
There's a lot of people who think it's a good thing their teens don't work. Extends their childhood, frees up time for the "volunteer" bullshit for the college applications (in some plases required to get an HS diploma), etc.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (/kI1Q)
"Mandatory volunteerism" is a topic for a rant all its own.
Posted by: rickl at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (FfvIz)
differences there are and advancing Obama's project to fundamentally
change America."
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We're gonna blu you... REEEAL GOOOOD!
Posted by: Jebby and the C-Hag at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (8GKDa)
I alluded before to the fact that my son was bused to a school across town to even the demographics a bit. That doesn't even get into half of it.
When I went to register him for school, I was literally the only parent in the office who had an American driver's license. There was a machine that checked your sex offender status and printed out a day pass, and above it a huge sign that read "Will NOT check immigration status!"
My autistic son spent the days wondering the halls because the school did not have an autism program since 100% of its resources focused on ESL/Poverty.
He was sick over, and over, and over. At least once a week he brought home some new and exotic illness. We got a paper saying one of the students had TB. We also got a letter threatening the truancy court. For a 5 year old. Who had been sicker than a dog for the entire semester.
We pulled him out after a semester and have never looked back.
Coming to a school near you.
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:19 AM (MYCIw)
I'm going for the teabisoneopaleo-con-retro-bigoil triple yutz.
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:20 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: DaveA at February 26, 2015 10:20 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: @votermom
My daughter did service with an animal adoption group. She still works with them after meeting her requirements long ago.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:20 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: JJStone at February 26, 2015 10:02 AM (nbgPm)
I'm in "wait and see" mode on Walker. I get why people are excited by him but his amnesty stuff drives me nuts. Also, I want to see how comes out on some things. Is he going to run as the "reasonable conservative who can make government run" or is going to be more of a slash and burn type guy wrapped up in beige packaging?
I know people think he's going to be slash and burn based on the public union stuff but I want to see how it plays out. I'm really worried he'll drift to the "reformicon side" of things.
We'll see.
Posted by: DrewM. at February 26, 2015 10:20 AM (aQssP)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at February 26, 2015 10:20 AM (xe6iR)
It's simple, really - in Jeb's world (and no, I would not consider him to be "a smart man" - I consider him to be a "well born" man. Very different), the "low skilled" are still hard workers with a strong bent to social government, something that the Bushes actively support.
The fact that the vast overwhelming majority of illegal border crossers are NOT hard working or of "social conservative" bent simply doesn't cross his mind, or is something that he dismisses in it's entirety.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:21 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:21 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (8Fqe6)
With hobo meat. For the lulz.
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She would bust a gut laughing if I pass that on.
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 10:21 AM (cbfNE)
Today that would be "two words--underground economy."
Fuck 'em.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (qNZ3I)
*points at scoreboard since 2008* 43-1.
STFU, dunce.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (evdj2)
Look, I just want to know when I can start breaking laws that don't benefit MY family. For love, of course.
Posted by: Lily at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (dXCcK)
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (lHHyw)
Jeb was not taking about illegals. This is a lie being pushed by Nativists. I know this is a outrage post to make you feel better, but it is anlie.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (9VGVJ)
In the end, a guest who refuses to leave when asked is as much a trespasser as a stranger who jumps your fence. To further the analogy, even these "guests" in question were vetted more like invitees to a party thrown while Mom Dad were on vacation than people Mom Dad would have permitted in smaller numbers to hang with with Junior when they were home. "No parents 'til Sunday, BYOB woot woot" does not make for good future neighbors
I have no problem believing that
As for Drew's proposed immigration reforms, I want to see more effort by companies to find and hire American STEM/high-skilled workers before using visas. I'd scrutinize the company's recent layoff and hiring trends to prevent "dumping" American workers in return for foreign visa workers. Americans without jobs end up using our social services.
I don't want to jam American companies with a protectionist policy on labor costs, but visas amount to the company using government to gain competitive advantage, so it's not as if bargaining for immigrant labor is a wholly private exchange to begin with. It's a tough grey area that toes the line of "you didn't build that" in that I'm saying the companies hiring immigrant labor have to balance the resulting strain on our social services, while the company just wants highest skill, lowest cost. You could reasonably, if tenuously, counter-argue that I'm looking for a "Rooney Rule" or outright affirmative action re: American vs. immigrant workers.
I want American labor deregulated to make our companies more competitive to help balance that out - something I also support with respect to "free trade" policies and foreign-based labor.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 26, 2015 10:22 AM (qNZ3I)
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I'm not sure I agree with your statement. W did sway and move the public - perhaps not to the degree we would have liked, but he won a 2nd term on the war when it was a divided issue. He rallied support for the surge at a time when he was politically weakest. There is certainly some truth to your statement. W didn't have the rallying ability of Reagan, but as CIC I think he was able to sway the public.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 10:23 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rickb223
With hobo meat. For the lulz.
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She would bust a gut laughing if I pass that on.
SJW approved!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:23 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: irright at February 26, 2015 10:24 AM (8GKDa)
Just be honest you hate Latinos. Man up and say it. Stop being a weaselly coward.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:24 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:24 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:20 AM (sWgE+)
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'll add it to the list.
Btw congrats on your son's ES accomplishment!
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 10:24 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: @votermom
Feed ghey hobos.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:18 AM (8Fqe6)
And then bake the ghey hobos a fcking wedding cake.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (/jpU8)
It was designed for teens to get their feet on the ground with a first
job and learn job/life skills.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:03 AM (sWgE+)
Minimum wage had nothing to do with easing teens' entry to the job market. If anything, it acts as a barrier to that, because it prevents would-be employers from offering jobs at lower rates that might be attractive to teens seeking part-time work.
Minimum wage is a sop to Big Labor, nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (tSNLH)
Yeah, the moral of the story is to stay the hell out of Austin city limits. The suburbs are mostly fine, it's just AISD that is a SCOAMF.
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (MYCIw)
Did you notice that i'm pretending to care about 'legal'? It's new. I like how it's shiny and stuff.
Are any of you stupid enough to believe it?
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (xe6iR)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 26, 2015 10:25 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (FfvIz)
The Spanish killed my ancestors, so I'm not fond, if that's your drift.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (iVjJr)
So his own words mean nothing?
To be honest, they never have. YMMV.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Fritz Hollings at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (evdj2)
I'm not interested in any more political dynasties in the USA.
Look how great the Kennedy dynasty has worked out...........or not.
Royal families tend to get inbred and weak and go mad. Geez find some ambitious immigrants to be the candidates for the 2016 election.
Posted by: Boots at February 26, 2015 10:26 AM (l9mF2)
Where's the job security in that?
These people make laws for a living. They need to point to all the laws they make to justify their jobs. So, there's Ricky's Law and Jenny's Law and every "reform" act from Agriculture Reform to Zygote Reform. Most of these laws just duplicate existing laws anyway. Think about it: Most laws are inherently pointless.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (8LT/S)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (yi8ar)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (FfvIz)
Go cry me a river tonto and go smoke a peace pipe.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (9VGVJ)
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Just be honest you hate Latinos. Man up and say it. Stop being a weaselly coward.
Posted by: ODB
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I think ODB must work at a theater, 'cause he's excellent at projection. buh dum tss
Posted by: irright at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (8GKDa)
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I'm not expecting miracles out of Walker (or Perry) if he wins - but I would like to see movement from one side to the next. I have my doubts that any president will do anything to tackle the immigration issue.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (gmeXX)
votermom, just remember the is danger involve with a daughter working with animal adoption. She work regularly fall in love with a cat at one of the adoption events and want to bring it home. I hate cats.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (sWgE+)
Drew: Your academic arguments about 'reform' versus 'amnesty' are just that - academic. Our elected Pols, and the people who write them big checks, have absolutely NO will to enforce immigration laws. None.
It doesn't matter what laws we write. It doesn't matter how we officially agree to enforce them. We effectively have an open boarders situation, and our government encourages and rewards this. They WANT this.
I doubt this will change until our government changes. And, our government appears to be working overtime to make sure the nature of this country changes before we can change our government. They want to render us irrelevant.
Posted by: Lily at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (dXCcK)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:27 AM (FfvIz)
Sure it is - across the border and to the EBT office.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (2Ojst)
So the Bushes should go back to running the PGA/USGA?
Sounds good to me.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:24 AM (9VGVJ)
Ah. That makes sense then.
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (eytER)
I hate democrats because they are Americans' primary oppressors from whom we desperately need liberation.
Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (A6vWB)
Posted by: John McCain (R) at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (PZ51s)
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I don't feel the need to explain anything to you racist bigoted fools.
Posted by: Jebbers at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (VAsIq)
I'm back to KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK, becuase the grand Kleagle Robert Sheets Byrd came to me in a vision and told me to, like a good dem.
The groucho marx agenda scares me, and the movies confuse me.
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (Spluw)
Enjoy President Hillary.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (9VGVJ)
Go cry me a river tonto and go smoke a peace pipe"
Wow. So you hate those of us with aboriginal blood?
Strange. Very strange.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (MYCIw)
I really like that formulation.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (mf5HN)
doing what, you ignorant idiot, subsistence farming? tearing down abandoned buildings for scrap?
running a dystopian amusement park for rich freaks?
Jeb is a fing idiot.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (yi8ar)
Posted by: Fritz Hollings at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (LISuA)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:24 AM (9VGVJ)
Ah. That makes sense then.
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:28 AM (eytER)
That also explains the nic. Old Dick Breath.
Posted by: Mainah at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (659DL)
Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 10:29 AM (TF/YA)
Jeb Bush needs to be humbled and told "politely" to STFD and STFU
Posted by: L, Elle at February 26, 2015 10:30 AM (2x3L+)
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I would modify this to be they have no will to enforce certain immigration laws. Others they really do enforce.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 10:30 AM (gmeXX)
I might disagree with the first part of your statement. Most of the illegals I know are pretty hard working folks and they send their money home to get the rest of their kinfolk here, or to support them in their home country.
Socially conservative? Most of the ones I've met don't believe in abortion and most of them believe the gummint should help them out. Not "SoCons" in the colloquial sense.
Just my observations. YMMV.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead on a new tablet at February 26, 2015 10:30 AM (TDhf0)
If you held a gun to my head and told me to choose between Jeb and Hillary, I'd tell you to pull the trigger.
2008 was the first time I flat out refused to vote. I guess 2016 could be the second.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 10:30 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:30 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:31 AM (FfvIz)
We could arrange for out of work American citizens to be bussed into Mexico. The could renounce their citizenship, cross the border and be granted housing, free collage, tax refunds and jobs
Posted by: OSTB at February 26, 2015 10:31 AM (ShdUd)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 10:31 AM (yi8ar)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (iVjJr)
And "most" I know of aren't - especially after Manassas went "sanctuary"...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (/jpU8)
13
Democrat admits what we have been saying for a long time. Amnesty is
about giving them control of the country forever. This is why amnesty is
one of my top 3 make or break heavy hitters.
http://bit.ly/1B6F1zm
Posted by: Vic at February 24, 2015 05:58 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (wlDny)
Don't bother with these people. They have brainwashed by Nazis like DrewM.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (9VGVJ)
wtf?
Gonna engineer a city? Is he a wide-eyed Liberal Loon?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (cZOkr)
Those goddamned racist cowards down there.
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (eytER)
Nobility and Peasantry is the desired outcome.
Someone, weeks ago, (think it was AllenG) said something that has been earbugging me ever since:
"Socialism, Naziism, Communism, all just euphemisms for Monarchy."
Seeing it that way is really clarifying; the "reasons" or excuses change but the underlying philosophy never has and never will.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 26, 2015 10:33 AM (S0bOl)
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 10:33 AM (kSFil)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:33 AM (Spluw)
You hate my wife's people so I throw your hate back at you Geronimo.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:34 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 10:34 AM (LA7Cm)
Levin devoted much of his show yesterday to Jeb. Worth the listen - after you take your BP meds.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 10:34 AM (CMkNk)
In other words, if there are good, decent men and women running for office, why isn't America voting for them?
Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 10:34 AM (TF/YA)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 10:34 AM (ZPrif)
And let's all have a chuckle at the irony of Rham making Chi-Town a Sanctuary City, and then getting his clock cleaned by a guy from Mexico names Jesus.
G-d does have a sense of humor.
Posted by: Boots at February 26, 2015 10:35 AM (l9mF2)
Yeah, likely so. Say, anyone seen a rabbit around here lately?
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:35 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:35 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 10:35 AM (CMkNk)
This thread is racist and I am giving you all a taste of your medicine. Hey is it not time for your snake handling session in your fake inbred evangelical church.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:35 AM (9VGVJ)
P.S. tea-nazi-bigot-nazi-kkkkkkk-so-kkk-for some unbeknown reason hilary gets me hot.
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:35 AM (Spluw)
They take one good look at what happened to people like Palin and say "F%$# this sh%t!"
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM (lHHyw)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM (VcOqI)
i hear your wife loves all people.
couldn't find out for myself though, as the line was too long...
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM (yi8ar)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM (FfvIz)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:37 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:37 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:37 AM (FfvIz)
Nah, that's every other Sunday.
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:37 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:37 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at February 26, 2015 10:38 AM (oDCMR)
Plenty of whites in Mexico. But low IQ inbred white trash like you are ignorant of that.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:38 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Johnny Carson at February 26, 2015 10:38 AM (eytER)
It's Wednesday night at my Lutheran Coven. Followed by a potluck.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:38 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 10:36 AM
Reminds me of that scene in Unforgiven where Gene Hackman is beating the hell out of Bob, and he says he's doing it to "send a message".
Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2015 10:38 AM (TF/YA)
Not really. I pity them for being the murderous savages who rampaged a continent in search of gold...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (/jpU8)
I agree muslims are really becoming a dangerous problem
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (VcOqI)
That takes a good five minutes every shot.
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (Spluw)
Yeah, that's our Hector/ODB/Dr.Love/Mama Revolution.
Same message, different nic every morning. To what end, Hector?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (lHHyw)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:38 AM (evdj2)
Naked dancing around the fire, followed by Jello?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (8LT/S)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (FfvIz)
Sounds good to me."
Or the Texas Rangers. I supported W, particularly in foreign policy, and my impression from afar is that both W and HW had more regard for Americans than Jeb, who appears to be fetishizing the Hispanic Other much more than the other Bush pols. That said, their brand of Republicanism is best suited for the board room rather than the statehouse or Oval Office. They want to be liked and don't seem to care for hard choices vs. happy talk. W showed some steel on 9/11 but watered it down with "War on Terror" and Muslim outreach the whole while. Domestically, he was the Candyman. increasing domestic spending while we were paying down two wars.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (Spluw)
Banhammer.
Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (kSFil)
I agree muslims are really becoming a dangerous problem
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:39 AM (sWgE+)
What's changed in 1,400 years?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (CMkNk)
#233 Made for a great movie though: Aguirre, The Wrath of God
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 10:34 AM (CMkNk)
Lenin has a radio show? That preservation job the Russkies did on him must have been a doozy. Oh, wait...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (tSNLH)
Your father, Satan, appreciates your hard work. Keep it up!
Posted by: Screwtape at February 26, 2015 10:40 AM (A6vWB)
Yeah. Calling me "Geronimo" and "Tonto" weren't exactly thought provoking...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (/jpU8)
They had cities, read And write while you lived eating grass and in tee pees.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: OSTB at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (ShdUd)
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (MbqmP)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (evdj2)
Euphemism?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (2Ojst)
Thanks for reading and being such a big fan!
Posted by: DrewM. at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (aQssP)
A rapper, right? We got a famous troll at last! Yay us! Win for the blog!
Posted by: L, Elle at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (2x3L+)
Wait 'till he finds out part of my extended family is from South America...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (/jpU8)
Yeah, he's a huge dick. It's all racial SJWering and woe is me bullshit. I'm disappointed because the show is able to deal with racial issues without the anger, but I don't see how that will last.
Oh well.
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (MYCIw)
I do have some respect for you. You admit you hate Latinos, which makes you and honest enemy.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: OSTB at February 26, 2015 10:42 AM (ShdUd)
Ten years ago the number used to be reported was a range, often 12-15 million, sometime 15-20 million. This numbers, while probably low, were more accurate as they reflected that nobody really knows for sure and were closer to the truth. However time has passed and millions more have entered the country. The actual range anybody that is paying attention could tell you is no less 20 to 30 million. The ll million number is pure BS based not on a headcount but computer models and guesswork by people isolated from the problem. Expect many politicians expressing "surprise" (or hiding) after the amnesty takes effect and the numbers of applicants are 2 or 3 times the public estimates.
This is goingt o be a huge disaster, perhaps the biggest one this country ever had and it is so painfully obvious. Worse, it is self inflicted
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (1BQGO)
Just be honest and man up that you hate Latinos.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (Spluw)
And "most" I know of aren't - especially after Manassas went "sanctuary"...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:32 AM (/jpU
I grew up in Manassas. My folks still live there. It's stunning how different it is.
When I was a kid, I could literally see cows from my swingset. Now, their house is surrounded by boarding houses. The house across the street from them (single-family) has 27 residents and 11 cars.
It'll never get better.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: ODB-II at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (FfvIz)
Ok, now that's some really funny stuff...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (MbqmP)
So Jeb supports the drug cartels? That's who those who are lovingly crossing our border pay to get them across. And the cartels butcher people who stand in their way.
Lovingly, of course.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (O9qtX)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (VcOqI)
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I have always doubted those numbers. Does anyone really know?
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: eman at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:41 AM (9VGVJ)
They were f*cking human-sacrificing savages who hadn't advanced past the stone age while my ancestors had discovered muskets (and were done with that whole 'human sacrifice' thing centuries past).
Try again. But, then again, we're actually knowledgeable about history, so maybe you want to go elsewhere to spout your poison.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (hbvPW)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (kSFil)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (96C7R)
How about an original insult? Y'know, variety for variety's sake?
Actually, my computer is powered by the letter K, so I like having him around.
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 10:45 AM (DLUnW)
Ahh, wrong archeological evidence has shown that several Indian settlements/cities in central, north and south America EXCEEDED the population of major European cities such as London at the time of the discovery of the new world.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:46 AM (sWgE+)
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Yeah, I'm betting against Jeb or HRC winning their respective nominations.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 10:46 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: A loving pro-Amnesty guy like Jeb at February 26, 2015 10:46 AM (FfvIz)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:46 AM (MbqmP)
Unlike DrewM you are not a coward and admit you hate Latinos. I hold you in more respect than others.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:46 AM (9VGVJ)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 10:47 AM (ZPrif)
^this.
The discussion of raw numbers is interesting as it makes several assumptions - but in my (limited) experience those assumptions fall apart.
You see, while the "public" face is one of a working illegal, the reality is that there is often a handful of people - usually, but not always extended family living out of sight.
FWIW, I agree w/the assessment of likely triple the "official" estimates...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:47 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:46 AM (9VGVJ)
The only thing you really need to hold is deez nuts in your mouth.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 10:47 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:43 AM (9VGVJ)
Yeah, I hate Latinos. Their pizza is so tough, you are better off eating the cardboard box.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 10:47 AM (tSNLH)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (Spluw)
Well that's nice of them.
F*ck the GOP. I guess *merely* giving them control over the legislative branch wasn't enough. If only they had more power... (now where have I heard that before?)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (FfvIz)
FWIW, I agree w/the assessment of likely triple the "official" estimates...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:47 AM (/jpU
Yup. That hard-working immigrant brought his sister, wife, son and cousins, none of whom work.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (ZPrif)
Cherokees founded the first college west of the Mississippi that educated women...about 2 years after being pushed to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears.
*the more you know outro*
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (MYCIw)
They did not exceed the cities of Southern Europe. Nice try but you failed.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (9VGVJ)
This is not only waste of everyone's times, it's self destructive.
We should instead be lifting up a candidate of our choosing while tearing down hillary clinton.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (hbvPW)
So now the tea parties(note that there is no formal "tea party" singular. There are a lot of different tea parties that align on policy but like as not have only indirect connection to each other outside of agreeing on policy)are evangelical? That's interesting. There are evangelicals in the various tea parties, but only a bigoted little projecting troll would extrapolate thattea parties are solely populated byevangelicals. Of course, that's what we are dealing with here.
2. No one here hates latinos, to my knowledge. Only a bigoted, imbecilic little troll would draw "hates" from "disagrees with their decision to break the law and wants to see the law enforced because we are a nation of laws, and heaven help you if you cross the border illegally into Mexico either from the US or from South/Central America.".
Do you ever stop to think that there are lots of people who are trying to get into this country legally from places like Europe, Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, and elsewhere, and putting actual immigration requirements on them while freely allowing immigration across our borders without requirements or checks makes a mockery of the legal immigration system?
Applying your so-called logic, whydo you hate Europeans, Asians,and Africans?
I say all that, but I need to remind myself that I am dealing with an imbecilic sad little retread troll so I shouldn't expect logic, intellectual coherence, consistency, or curiosity. Just bile, vitriol, racism, bigotry, and no-nothingism of the kind that would make the KKK welcome it with open arms and a ticker-tape parade.
Posted by: Lurkingestlurker at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (k8xvx)
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Are we doing euphemisms for spanking the monkey? Right on!
When I get all anxious and nervous, I calm down with a quick 2 minute snake handling session.
Posted by: fastfreefall at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (5kiYx)
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (PFy0L)
In fairness, where else are you going to get a pizza-like substance for $1.25?
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (evdj2)
Not Racist: "Americans are lazy."
Question: When 80% of Americans are Hispanic, will it still be acceptable to call Americans lazy?
How proud I am to live in a time where AMERICAN POLITICIANS are happier to express negative thoughts about Americans but not foreigners. Just about any one of the Founders would have kicked their ass for saying such things.
Posted by: Whatchu Takin Bout Willis at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (H9ZLc)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (Spluw)
I sort of hate myself for this, but whenever I hear an especially quiet American Indian being called "Magua" I chuckle a bit. Besides, it's better in Algonquin or Iriquois territory.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (8LT/S)
Posted by: nnptcgrad at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (aVYsC)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 10:48 AM (ZPrif)
Control.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (DLUnW)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (Rx8ML)
Just yesterday I claimed that Drew was honest for hating latinos and today I am claiming he is a liar for hating latinos. I can not keep my story straight because the KKK has bugged my toilet and wo not stop telling me to drink Moxie.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:49 AM (MbqmP)
And here legally on an employer-sponsored his visa, which is apparently an incomprehensible concept for some people.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:50 AM (/kI1Q)
And maybe instead of biting our nails to the nub every other day about John Ellis Bush, let's use our energy to remove McConnell from senate leadership.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 10:50 AM (hbvPW)
Even the 11 million number would be a problem, particularly where about 1/3+ of them are in CA assuming present distribution is similar to the early 2000's. That's 10%+ of the most populace state. It's easily enough to crash the polls, more so when CA is militantly opposed to verifying voter bona fides.
Look at the CA legislature. Super-super majority Prog Left, heavily Hispanic. When the biggest population state is an outlying province of Greater Mexico, what impact does that have on American politics?
Add in TX illegal population as well, then the other SW and Plains states, then IL.
And as you said, the real numbers are much higher - I'd guesstimate double to triple as many.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 10:50 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 26, 2015 10:50 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at February 26, 2015 10:50 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (l1zOH)
In honor thereof though, I give you this.
http://youtu.be/NmeuqJO_Xwc
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (VcOqI)
The hash 9VGVJ has never appeared at the HQ. Ever.
According to Bing, Google and Yahoo.
The library turns off its router every night.
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (DLUnW)
Pretty much, yeah.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (/jpU8)
Could you take it back, and bring us one that's worth a flying fiddlers fart?
This one sux.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 26, 2015 10:52 AM (YrXgo)
So your proof that I "hate Latinos" is I would treat Europeans, Africans and Asians the same way?
That doesn't make as much sense as you seem to think it does.
Posted by: DrewM. at February 26, 2015 10:52 AM (aQssP)
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?"
Posted by: Bertolt Brecht at February 26, 2015 10:52 AM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:52 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:52 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 10:53 AM (Spluw)
So do I... (chuckle, that is)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:53 AM (/jpU8)
F*CK the RINOs.
Posted by: Jukin at February 26, 2015 10:53 AM (WGm5T)
What? No way. Unless you are counting corn vendors.
Posted by: PJ at February 26, 2015 10:53 AM (cHuNI)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 10:51 AM (l1zOH)
We got about 4-6 inches of snow last night and guess what? I'm at work because we have something that has to be done for a meeting tomorrow so here I am.
Of course, I'm here mainly because the it was snow and not ice because hell no to attempting to drive on ice. I do plan on leaving earlier today because the roads will be super fun once all of this freezes over.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at February 26, 2015 10:54 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 10:54 AM (MYCIw)
Then, once the continent is vacant, we drill through the center of the earth for resources.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 10:54 AM (8LT/S)
Posted by: Seems Legit at February 26, 2015 10:54 AM (A98Xu)
This asstard lives with the two activists that were advertising for a new roommate the other day.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 26, 2015 10:54 AM (YrXgo)
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 10:55 AM (cBvzT)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:55 AM (VcOqI)
Site your evidence please
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 10:55 AM (sWgE+)
Hmm. As do I, which must be evidence of a confused racial narrative.
I denounce myself.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:55 AM (/jpU8)
While you guys are having your circle jerk, think about this: House Democrats are making false speeches on the Floor today alongside a giant poster that reads: 2 Days Until Republican Homeland Security Shutdown
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (hbvPW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (rDqRv)
Then, once the continent is vacant, we drill through the center of the earth for resources.
Cut, jib, newsletter.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (DT3rQ)
No, not that I recall of any substantive nature.
And, yes, they are.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (LA7Cm)
For a police state that is number 1 in citizens in prison and even have private (for profit) prisons there shouldn't be any.
Posted by: OSTB at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (ShdUd)
The trolls are coming from inside the house!
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (LA7Cm)
I can't wait to watch him flame out before Iowa.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (ZvKdv)
Two words that are accurate but you will NEVER hear them say:
Servant Class
That's what this crap is all about, in addition to the left-right demographic meddling of course. Just listen to what the amnesty people say, and I mean really listen. They all go through the son stories about the poor hotel maid, or the gardener, or the lowest level factory worker, or the veggie picker. It's no coincidence that's what they're always on about, and that those are the jobs they say Americans won't do. And they're fricking right about the last part but they always leave out the fact that Americans aren't real keen to go out and pick fruit and vegetables (ie, actual hard physical labor) for minimum wage or less and no benefits.
What people like Jeb want is for the low skill illegals to come in and serve them for beans. But, of course, they don't ever come out an say that. No, instead they trot out poor Rosita and her sob story so that unthinking douchebag shut-ins like Hector will latch on and scream racist when you try to point out that importing people to essentially be our slaves is fricking wrong and doesn't help Americans.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (KkVB6)
"Save the last post for yourself."
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:57 AM (VcOqI)
The key words there are "of our choosing." Jeb isn't. If you don't want him as a nominee, he needs smacked down. "Happy talk focus on Hillary" lets him off the hook and leaves him hanging around.
No one here, GOP or third party, lacks smack for Hillary, if that's your concern. She'll be dealt with in time. No one is going to remember in 2016 what we say about her today. The "focus on the Democrat" argument is too often used as a substitute for "stop bad-mouthing my guy," especially in the pre-pre-primary phase. Not saying that's what you're doing, I just don't care for it in general.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 10:57 AM (QKIQb)
There was a good deal of, er, "swapping" back in the day.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:57 AM (/jpU8)
When liberasl critisize America as fat, uncultured, ignorant, wasteful, monolingual, superstitious, greedy haters etc... make no misake, they are only talking about white Americans. More particularly conservative white American. Everybody else get s a pass. Not sure what will happen when whites are a minority and things are worse than ever. I think they all plan on emigrating to Switzerland or New Zealand where they are sure they will be welcomed with open arms since they are so enlightened.
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at February 26, 2015 10:57 AM (1BQGO)
ODB, why are you such a racist latino-hating person that you want to consign them to becoming a permanent underclass?
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 10:58 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:58 AM (evdj2)
Then, once the continent is vacant, we drill through the center of the earth for resources.
Once it's vacant. Then who is "we"?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 10:58 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 10:58 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 10:58 AM (9VGVJ)
I'll say this, my border hawk stance is not out of "hate", if anything, I actually have a higher opinion of most Latinos than I do the average American, in many ways I think they are better people. That being said, they will bring with them Venezuela-type socialism.
Jeb is one of those rare situations where I can almost see myself voting for Hillary if Jeb is the nominee. I can't really say that about any other Republican who's running, but if there's some sort of mass amnesty and open border policy in this country opened up by Jeb, I'd rather have the Clintons.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 10:59 AM (YalUx)
Posted by: Shapeshifters at February 26, 2015 10:59 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 10:59 AM (DLUnW)
I'm guessing the native-born file more requests for permits, get more health inspections, pay more payroll and sales taxes, etc. Enforcement of these things seems to be, shall we say, selective. The state will act swiftly and harshly if an 8-year-old white kid wants to sell cupcakes to her neighbors, not so much if an illegal alien wants to sell food on the street.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 10:59 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 10:59 AM (cBvzT)
"Now batting...."
Ok, that's up there with "Jose, can you see?"
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 10:59 AM (/jpU8)
I'm sure a forklift can be rented, Joe.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 11:00 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Obamobot Dick Sucker at February 26, 2015 11:00 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 11:00 AM (VcOqI)
out the fact that Americans aren't real keen to go out and pick fruit
and vegetables (ie, actual hard physical labor) for minimum wage or less
and no benefits when they can get housed and fed without working at all.
Finished it for you.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 11:01 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Lurkingestlurker at February 26, 2015 11:01 AM (k8xvx)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia
The hell with Mexico. I say we invade Cuba. Throw out the Castros. Reopen the casinos. Drive old Chevys up and down the blvd.
Posted by: fairweatherbill from 1962 at February 26, 2015 11:01 AM (kSFil)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 11:02 AM (evdj2)
"Yeah, I'm betting against Jeb or HRC winning their respective nominations."
As do I. O is leaving behind a vacuum in the dem party. If it's either Warren or Clinton-- two old, rich ivy league white women nagging America how failed we all are... yeah, that will get out the vote.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 26, 2015 11:02 AM (L9Bqi)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 11:02 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 11:03 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: OSTB at February 26, 2015 11:03 AM (ShdUd)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 11:04 AM (VcOqI)
I can't make it much clearer than that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 11:04 AM (rDqRv)
You have it easy. Half of my mixed blood comes from a potato-rich part of Europe with the other half descended from pastaland. I'm genetically inclined to crave two starches every time I eat.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 11:04 AM (8LT/S)
It is in CA for damn sure. Under the table businesses, particularly food and repair/maintenance/construction, are the rule rather than the exception with illegals. Try starting one of those businesses above-board - spoiler: have thousands of dollars and a couple hundred hours to spare first.
It's pretty simple - enforcement in CA goes first to where the money is, and second to where the political clout isn't. Illegals win on both, so those playing by the rules get the short end.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 11:04 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: An Observation at February 26, 2015 11:05 AM (ylhEn)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 11:02 AM (evdj2)
(mines 49th parallel, whilst whistling The Maple Leaf Forever)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 11:05 AM (tSNLH)
Posted by: The Political Hat at February 26, 2015 11:05 AM (0Ew3K)
Half-Russian, half-Irish. I crave two shots every time I breathe.
Not today. Not today.
OK, at least not before lunch....
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 11:06 AM (QKIQb)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 11:06 AM (/kI1Q)
I don't necessarily need to "live like a king" but I'd like to be fairly comfortable.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 11:06 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: An Observation at February 26, 2015 11:05 AM (ylhEn)
Spot on
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 11:07 AM (rDqRv)
Yeah, we kinda cornered the early market on drinking and smoking, and I do my best to carry on those proud traditions with cigars and bourbon...
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 11:07 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: navybrat at February 26, 2015 11:07 AM (JgC5a)
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I still think HRC will wake up and realize it is better to be rich and have people think what might have been, rather than lose the nomination again (this time to another women), or then to lose to Walker.
But who knows.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 11:07 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 11:07 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 11:08 AM (l1zOH)
Ha! And I crave alcohol but can't handle it. I suppose that's ust as well. Keeps me from ever becoming a drunk.
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 11:08 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 10:58 AM (evdj2)
Exactly.It's important to note those words come from a psalm written by *King* David.
Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2015 11:08 AM (A6vWB)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 11:08 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: fairweatherbill from 1962 at February 26, 2015 11:08 AM (kSFil)
So no designated drivers at the family reunion then?
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 11:08 AM (/jpU
ouch. That's gonna leave a mark
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (DLUnW)
No Bush
Cafe Press here I come!
Bumper sticker material!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (8Fqe6)
Posted by: navybrat at February 26, 2015 11:07 AM (JgC5a)
Hmmm...
Are we going to get a thread on this? Because that would probably entice An Profanity Laced Rant, and I'd hate to waste it on the end of this thread...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: HH at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 11:10 AM (8Fqe6)
Finally, a campaign idea I can get behind, er, in front of........uh.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 11:10 AM (LA7Cm)
I don't necessarily need to "live like a king" but I'd like to be fairly comfortable.
Posted by: AllenG
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The budget for hired security and arms/ammunition will have to be high.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 26, 2015 11:10 AM (l1zOH)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 11:09 AM (DLUnW)
Hmmm... me, too.
Some good fajitas would go down just perfect.
But I may have to settle for Fuzzy's Tacos (and when you're "settling" for Fuzzy's, you've got it pretty good).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (kff5f)
Have to pass an interpol check.
It's probably gone up by now.
Posted by: navybrat at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (JgC5a)
Close enough. Davey said lots of shit.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (/jpU8)
I'm about there as well. I don't think even a good, or great, conservative Prez could influence the GOP enough to change course over even two terms. I don't see even Cruz or Walker as another Reagan, and even Reagan only made a good start - promptly pissed away by HW's well-read lips. Jeb's much worse than his pappy. I don't see how his Presidency would amount to anything that different from Hillary's, and I'd rather the last few nails on the coffin of the Republic rather not have my name on them.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (QKIQb)
Except to strengthen things here and there against what is coming.
If you think there is some set of politicians that can fix what is wrong, then you are very confused and nieve.
Posted by: eman at February 26, 2015 11:12 AM (MQEz6)
I apparently caught the high point of Oreilly last night. In response to some stupdity from Kirsten Powers about how we can't fight ISIS on the ground because you can't just get a bunch of people together and invade Iraq, a viewer wrote "Isn't that what ISIS did?"
Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2015 11:12 AM (A6vWB)
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 11:12 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Zombie Winfield Scott at February 26, 2015 11:13 AM (0Ew3K)
In fairness, where else are you going to get a pizza-like substance for $1.25?
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When I was in college they were $.97. Those were the days! Less than a dollar for a pizza--even one that tasted like cardboard--was heaven.
Posted by: Jebbers at February 26, 2015 11:14 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 11:14 AM (QKIQb)
Have to pass an interpol check.
It's probably gone up by now.
Posted by: navybrat at February 26, 2015 11:11 AM (JgC5a)
Do you know anyone who has actually lived in Belize, as opposed to just visited as a tourist? Climate, personal security, cost of housing, job opportunities, etc.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 11:16 AM (tSNLH)
"But who knows."
You are underestimate their entitlement mentality. They believe their own BS, but don't want to live amongst the consequences.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 26, 2015 11:17 AM (L9Bqi)
Ben Carson charges Democrats with taking advantage of blacks, 'trying to keep them suppressed and cultivate their votes'
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 11:18 AM (sWgE+)
John MacAfee came away from it with a less than desirable overall experience.
Posted by: navybrat at February 26, 2015 11:19 AM (JgC5a)
It's no coincidence that's what they're always on about, and that those are the jobs they say Americans won't do. And they're fricking right about the last part but they always leave out the fact that Americans aren't real keen to go out and pick fruit and vegetables (ie, actual hard physical labor) for minimum wage or less and no benefits.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 26, 2015 10:56 AM (KkVB6)
A good part of the reason unskilled Americans won't do those jobs is welfare, EBT, Section 8, etc. If all that were to go away, it would be a question of work or starve.
I expect that would have a beneficial impact on the crime rate as well. Idle hands, etc.
Posted by: rickl at February 26, 2015 11:19 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: eman at February 26, 2015 10:44 AM (MQEz6)
Math?? I was told there would be no math!!
However this sounds totally doable to me. Have you factored in the possibilities that the buses might not make it back. Might take some close air support
Posted by: NativeNH at February 26, 2015 11:21 AM (cfdsE)
People should just stop making immigration a litmus test. We wont deport millions of people. Jeb is right about that. Its time people showed some common sense on this issue. Its supposed to be a conservative virtue.
Posted by: Begonia at February 26, 2015 11:21 AM (F56xQ)
http://tinyurl.com/nnhmn64
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 11:21 AM (sWgE+)
Before its all over I expect he will be competing with McCain for the Veep slot on Hillary's "unity ticket".
Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at February 26, 2015 11:23 AM (LISuA)
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This is insane.
Absolutely insane.
What businesses, you fuck?
Taco wagons employ exactly how many people?
And this fucking fuck wants to make it sound like they're out there generating jobs like crazy?
And which, if any, regulations and registrations do they comply with that every fucking citizen HAS to in service to the fucking state that seems to value non-citizens over them?
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2015 11:25 AM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 26, 2015 11:25 AM (2KB+E)
Because ?
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at February 26, 2015 11:25 AM (evdj2)
People should just stop making immigration a litmus test.
It isn't one for me. He lost me at Common Core.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 11:25 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at February 26, 2015 11:27 AM (/WPPJ)
One?
Five?
Is 37 our limit?
I'd like one of the bitches who bitches that we can't deport XX million people tell me just how many we could deport, and then explain why we couldn't deport more.
Posted by: revolting peasant at February 26, 2015 11:27 AM (Dwg9a)
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 11:28 AM (MLzEj)
Wouldn't Canada be better? No third world problems. No immigrant problems with USA as a buffer. Liberal yes although not needing armed security to live their.
Posted by: OSTB at February 26, 2015 11:28 AM (ShdUd)
Common sense would suggest that we follow the law that states that they are all supposed to be deported, and all their employers are supposed to be fined and / or jailed.
Perhaps your eminence could provide one non-political reason why we couldn't make that happen.
Posted by: revolting peasant at February 26, 2015 11:30 AM (PbJYs)
How is it any different than someone getting their home foreclosed because they didn't pay the mortgage or a landlord kicking someone out because they wouldn't pay the rent?
These people aren't going into some Gulag when we say you can't legally be here. It means you have to leave and go back to your home.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 11:31 AM (YalUx)
"People should just stop making immigration a litmus test. We wont deport millions of people. Jeb is right about that. Its time people showed some common sense on this issue. Its supposed to be a conservative virtue."
We probably won't, but that is because of Democrats and idiots like
Jeb.
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 11:31 AM (MLzEj)
Jeb, you were a decent enough governor.
Just leave it at that. Your push for amnesty and common core pretty much pisses a lot of people off. Of course, the lefties that dislike common core probably wouldn't have voted for you anyway, but still...it's a bipartisan feeling.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 26, 2015 11:37 AM (1hM1d)
What the knuckle dragging among us want is
A) no citizenship for illegals
B) A truly secure border that is not porous
C) businesses get penalized for hiring illegals
D) No government benefits for illegals
You do these things, and they'll leave for greener pastures and stay there. I really think if you polled Americans and asked them these questions, 70% plus would agree with a platform like that.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 11:38 AM (YalUx)
"Jeb Bush is probably the most experienced and competent contender for the presidency in the field. The country would be very fortunate indeed if he came to occupy the Oval Office."
Walker has demonstrated significantly greater competence, from what I've seen. In any case, running anyone who's last name is "Bush" would be stupid.
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 11:39 AM (MLzEj)
You claim Jeb was talking about illegals when he was talking about legal immigrants. You then went on a rant about visa overstays and Jebs preference for Latinos.
You do hate them, just be honest. Either way you have motivated me to go door to door for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 11:39 AM (9VGVJ)
"What the knuckle dragging among us want is
A) no citizenship for illegals
B) A truly secure border that is not porous
C) businesses get penalized for hiring illegals
D) No government benefits for illegals"
I'd add in a few things. We need to clamp down on chain migration. We need a system that puts the interests of the US first. And we need to round up some illegals and send 'em back, via internal enforcement.
Round up a few and send 'em back, and many will self deport. The reason is that by doing so you alter the economics of the issue, and the incentives. A yong male single illegal may still jump the fence for work, but families and women are more likley to start packing bags to go home.
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 11:44 AM (MLzEj)
"You claim Jeb was talking about illegals when he was talking about legal immigrants."
No one talks about legal immigrants. Legals are limited, in large part due to the fact we have so many illegals.
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 11:47 AM (MLzEj)
Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at February 26, 2015 11:47 AM (evdj2)
Canada has a significant waiting period.
Belize does not.
Bring a suitcase full of Benjamins and you're in.
Posted by: navybrat at February 26, 2015 11:49 AM (JgC5a)
I mean everytime the guy gets in front of a camera, he likes poking our eyes on it.
This is his main cause and issue, it's like Steve Forbes with the flat tax.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 11:51 AM (YalUx)
Jeb was talking about legal immigrant. DrewM was lying about Jebs speech. Look I get it, the GOP hates Latinos, as a white man married to one I have to support Democrats, despite their Marxist- Leninist ideology. It is a shame the party of Lincoln has morphed into the party of Hitler.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 11:51 AM (9VGVJ)
I stopped working for an Asian immigrant when he gave me a bag of cash for my pay "so we can avoid taxes."
Posted by: PJ at February 26, 2015 11:52 AM (cHuNI)
I disagree with you, but respect your honesty. At least you admit the GOP is the party of white Protestants and others are not welcomed.
Just be ready for Hillary.
Posted by: ODB at February 26, 2015 11:53 AM (9VGVJ)
I think you'd be better off just trying to live "off the grid" in the US then try living down there. Not somewhere I would want to live.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 11:54 AM (YalUx)
B) A truly secure border that is not porous
...
D) No government benefits for illegals
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 11:38 AM (YalUx)
A) So illegal immigrants themselves wont be citizens, but their children will be, because born in America. You basically just kick this can a generation down the road. Thats a big deal for you?
B) Nobody can guarantee that. Those who promise it lie to you. There will be another Dem in the White House and we all know how they enforce laws they dont like.
D) Again, so their children will get them instead. The effects will occur a generation later. This is your great goal? This is what all the fuss is about for immigration hawks?
Posted by: Begonia at February 26, 2015 11:54 AM (F56xQ)
Posted by: PJ at February 26, 2015 11:56 AM (cHuNI)
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:00 PM (YalUx)
I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but if your wife is here legally, what exactly is your problem with cracking down on illegal immigration?
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 12:03 PM (YalUx)
Posted by: ArtDeco at February 26, 2015 12:08 PM (0gkMT)
"Jeb was talking about legal immigrant. DrewM was lying about Jebs speech. Look I get it, the GOP hates Latinos, as a white man married to one I have to support Democrats, despite their Marxist- Leninist ideology. It is a shame the party of Lincoln has morphed into the party of Hitler."
I'm also a white man married to a Latina. But I also realize we need to control immigration. Our current system is basically controlled by illegal immigrants from Latin America, who will vote for the same failure they fled when they came here.
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 12:16 PM (MLzEj)
"The effects will occur a generation later. "
This has already flipped the state of CA. It's the Democrat goal. They are importing banana republic culture to support the banana republic party.
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 12:18 PM (MLzEj)
Posted by: thirteen28 at February 26, 2015 01:05 PM (Dm9G5)
Not Mitt cuz he's dropped out. Check.
Not Perry cuz he's still dumb & everyone knows. Check.
Not Carson: he's only driving for show. Check
Not Carly: she's only puting out for dough. Check.
Not Santorum because ayeee. Check.
Not Kasich because who TF knows. Check.
Not Paul because hell no screwball won't never go. Check.
Not Jindal because you're shittin' me, right? Check.
Not Rubio since his water broke & especially now we're all going to Cubaland to get laid. Check.
Not Huckabee cuz electable not. Check.
Not Trump cuz stop fuckin' us, Donald. Check.
Not Palin cuz never again Palin. Check.
Not Christie cuz he man-fucked Obie, and yes, he's brought NJ together: in universally hating the fat fuck's ass. Check.
Who's in it win it? Walker & Cruz. Cruz vee Walker.
That is all.
Posted by: Wax the Gunter Flog at February 26, 2015 01:06 PM (lqeGC)
Posted by: burt at February 26, 2015 02:04 PM (ls8AU)
Posted by: the other coyote at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (yK44T)
"I disagree with you, but respect your honesty. At least you admit the GOP is the party of white Protestants and others are not welcomed.
Just be ready for Hillary."
Latinos are often white and not all are Catholic, either.
The problem is one of culture. Latin American culture has continued to fail at creating rule of law. That is the fundamental problem in Latin America, and it is replicated here among Latin Americans as shown in their tendency to become Democrats.
If you have some knowledge of Mexican history, you understand that Mexico has been, slowely, improving. This is a result of cultural change, and no doubt in part due to Mexican experience with the US. After 70 years of one party rule after the Mexican Revolution, Mexico began to move towards real democracy, but it is a slow and delicate process.
The Latinos we would want to bring into the country typically would be those fleeing socialist dictatorships like Venezuela or Cuba (but not the criminal prison population, but the actual middle class fleeing communism). But we must always keep in mind that immigration from third world countries is problematic, and should be kept to a slow flow to allow assimilation (and we need to minimize welfare state programs that can undercut assimilation, as well).
Posted by: DonS at February 26, 2015 02:37 PM (MLzEj)
Apologies for my racism in favor of my freaking country, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
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