Doom? Yeah, This Isn't Good [CBD]

The Baltic Dry Index is a rough measure of the cost of moving bulk materials by sea. Obviously the price of oil has a significant impact on this index, but since the cost to enter (and exit) this market is huge and long-term (many millions of dollars and a few years to build a bulk carrier), supply is inelastic and small changes in demand have clear impacts on pricing. And...shipping companies often purchase fuel futures to hedge their costs, so rapid changes in oil prices will not correspond to rapid changes in their fuel costs.

And here is the opposite view, thanks to commenter "Sauropod."
Why You Shouldn't Worry About The Baltic Dry Index Hitting A 29-Year Low

Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:15 PM

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1 I like it dry!

Posted by: Bikerfox at March 01, 2015 12:16 PM (EZR76)

2 Please explain what is not good.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:16 PM (MQEz6)

3 Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:16 PM (MQEz6)

Low cost corresponds roughly with low demand, and if there is decreasing demand for bulk shipping that means that the world economy is not happy.

This is a rough measure, but it is an important one.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Zu3d9)

4 It looks wonderful to me. The cost of moving bulk materials by sea is plummeting. Therefore, the stuff that I buy which relies on the materials for their manufacture should also be dropping.

Like I said, wonderful.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 01, 2015 12:21 PM (IN7k+)

5 Please explain what is not good.

And please show your work! And any elbow pics you might be hiding.

Posted by: Anonymous Scandi Hobo who doesn't want to be turned into jerky at March 01, 2015 12:21 PM (uCo2y)

6 3 Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:16 PM (MQEz6)

Low cost corresponds roughly with low demand, and if there is decreasing demand for bulk shipping that means that the world economy is not happy.

This is a rough measure, but it is an important one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Zu3d9)

So, low cost is not partially explained by low prices?

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:21 PM (MQEz6)

7 Port strike, perhaps? Slowdown by western US longshoremen gumming up the works ?

Posted by: splatter at March 01, 2015 12:22 PM (etb5n)

8 Wow!
We could ship Illegals back via freighter on the cheap!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 01, 2015 12:22 PM (cZOkr)

9 Very glad Japanese pron is not shipped by sea.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:23 PM (MQEz6)

10 Shipping companies are chasing fewer cargoes. And the West Coast Longshoremen have put a huge crimp in movement of goods with their strike/slowdown. It'll take several months to get the backlog worked down.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 01, 2015 12:24 PM (wdHk6)

11 So does this indicate we are entering another recession or depression?

Posted by: MikeH at March 01, 2015 12:24 PM (/2E+M)

12 We could ship Illegals back via freighter on the cheap!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 01, 2015 12:22 PM (cZOkr)
---
And using Mexican longshoremen! Savings!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 01, 2015 12:24 PM (KH1sk)

13 Well, let's see, tax it until it stops moving then subsidize it. I think the only solution is for the United States taxpayers to start transferring cash to overseas shipping companies. Well, actually, the taxpayer should transfer cash to the government then the government will transfer it to the overseas shipping companies. Well transfer most of the money to overseas shipping companies. Or perhaps some of the money... It sort of depends how much the overseas shipping companies contributed to the Obama campaigns.

Posted by: JB1000 at March 01, 2015 12:24 PM (WLJbV)

14 11 So does this indicate we are entering another recession or depression?
Posted by: MikeH at March 01, 2015 12:24 PM (/2E+M)

It means you don't love Obama enough.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:25 PM (MQEz6)

15 Doom!

Dr. Copper concurs.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 01, 2015 12:25 PM (KTXxI)

16 Meaning although fuel prices have dropped quickly, the shipping companies have locked in fuel prices that are higher than what you or I would pay. So the shipping company will continue to charge a higher rate because they already bought The fuel. They will pass that cost to us the consumer.

Posted by: Picric at March 01, 2015 12:26 PM (QnQ+g)

17 The above Baltic Dry graph would make more sense if there was a corresponding blue line to indicate the Administration's feelings as to "just how well the economy was doing" ... and perhaps a red line to indicate actual labor participation rate.

Posted by: marc in calgary at March 01, 2015 12:26 PM (BxxmJ)

18 14 11 So does this indicate we are entering another recession or depression?
Posted by: MikeH at March 01, 2015 12:24 PM (/2E+M)

It means you don't love Obama enough.
Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:25 PM (MQEz6)

Hey, that's my job!

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 01, 2015 12:27 PM (/2E+M)

19 Note when the GOP won big.

Behold the power of Orange and Turtle.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:27 PM (MQEz6)

20 that chart would not look quite so dire if the x axis was set at zero.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 01, 2015 12:27 PM (l3vZN)

21 Graph ain't pretty.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 12:28 PM (UMBjg)

22 Strike at the ports having any effect?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:28 PM (Mk0pF)

23
Need the spot price on silver dimes ASAP.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 01, 2015 12:28 PM (kdS6q)

24 Too bad Spock died before he could build a few transporters.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:29 PM (MQEz6)

25 23
Need the spot price on silver dimes ASAP.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 01, 2015 12:28 PM (kdS6q)

Pre-1964?

Posted by: MikeH at March 01, 2015 12:30 PM (/2E+M)

26 CBD, so this is indicative of actual goods being desired/bought by the world populace?
so as a measure of actual fiscal health or optimism ?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:30 PM (nqBYe)

27 Why isn't it good? Reducing the cost of transfer is a plus.

Am I reading your chart incorrectly?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 01, 2015 12:30 PM (0FSuD)

28 Gate way Pundit making me feel,all doomy. Bibi was going to hit iran nuke facilities in 2014.

JEF told our military to shoot down any Israeli jets entering Iranian air space.

And then they called Bibi a chickenshit

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (Mk0pF)

29 This Forbes article argues that the drop in the index is the result of an oversupply of mega ships, not a fall in demand.

http://goo.gl/0YCBDD

Posted by: sauropod at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (tlO47)

30 Are other indicators showing a similar trend?

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (MQEz6)

31 When it comes to economics, there are a variety of ways to define good and not good.

At a certain point, the consumer can be forgiven for saying "I really don't give a damn about all that, I just want cheap goods." And work the rest of the nonsense out amongst yourselves.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (Dj0WE)

32 also to JJ. on Rubio deal and added my frustrated rant.
109 J.J. He was liekely urged into His failure by the GopE.

Iran Fars newspaper (state paper i believe) is claiming Isis is getting arnaments / weapons dropped into Iraq by the usa.
also claiming Shin Bet did the bombing in Argentina.
@powerline

and These are th people we are making Deals with while this administration is shunning Bibi?

Because somehow deals made with Iran will be a peaceful and beneficial for the world?

I think often about Obama's failures on Foreign policy.
(world burns openly)

and somehow this 'deal' will be beneficial ?
to Whom!?

sorry my hair pulling rant for the day.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:21 PM (nqBYe)

(because of course willow was again willowed on last thread)

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:32 PM (nqBYe)

33 Reading Drudge's headline.

Hoo boy.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 01, 2015 12:32 PM (AVEe1)

34 Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:30 PM (nqBYe)

It's used as a rough measure of the state of the world economy. Because the supply changes so slowly, changes in demand have large effects on price. High price = high demand....low price = low demand.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 12:33 PM (Zu3d9)

35 Gaia worshippers should be ecstatic that we are becoming less materialistic. And yet they still put up only "Oh Noes, there was an oil spill, there is a trash problem in the oceans, deforestation" posts.

It almost like they crave doom more than they love earth (yes I'm restating what other horde members have said more eloquently before)

Posted by: PaleRider at March 01, 2015 12:33 PM (7w/kf)

36 28 Gate way Pundit making me feel,all doomy. Bibi was going to hit iran nuke facilities in 2014.

JEF told our military to shoot down any Israeli jets entering Iranian air space.

And then they called Bibi a chickenshit
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (Mk0pF)

If Iran nukes Israel, Israel will know what to do.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 01, 2015 12:34 PM (WNERA)

37 Drudge has Obama threat to IDF up in red.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:34 PM (MQEz6)

38 Chart in the link at Bloomberg. This is worst since before 2010, where the chart stops, since it is only a 5yr chart. So falling demand means falling prices, which means bankrupting shipping companies, which means a long "recovery". Technically, we're in a Depression, capital "D".

Posted by: Yes means Maybe at March 01, 2015 12:34 PM (7wyDO)

39 Perhaps our military would refuse to execute such an order.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:35 PM (MQEz6)

40 36 28 Gate way Pundit making me feel,all doomy. Bibi was going to hit iran nuke facilities in 2014.

JEF told our military to shoot down any Israeli jets entering Iranian air space.

And then they called Bibi a chickenshit
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (Mk0pF)

OMG I absolutely hate this ass hole.... Hear that NSA .

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 01, 2015 12:35 PM (Bn6aD)

41 Hydrocarbons are a 'dry' product?

Posted by: Clive Gentile at March 01, 2015 12:35 PM (tBkAA)

42 . Technically, we're in a Depression, capital "D".
Posted by: Yes means Maybe at March 01, 2015 12:34 PM (7wyDO)

that makes me sad

Posted by: MikeH at March 01, 2015 12:35 PM (/2E+M)

43 I really makes me feel sick. Just sick

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:35 PM (Mk0pF)

44 Bibi was going to hit iran nuke facilities in 2014.

JEF told our military to shoot down any Israeli jets entering Iranian air space.

And then they called Bibi a chickenshit
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:31 PM (Mk0pF)

chickenshit for trying to be an ally?

and than shits on Bibi wanting open discourse with congress and Americans about Israels concerns with Iran?

tfg and the administration are total shmucks. a country is suppoed to lie down and die For Obama to make a idiotic foreign policy decision, thinking His decision is wise??

honestly Who benifits from a nuclear Iran?
Does this administration actually believe Iran can be held to any agreements?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:36 PM (nqBYe)

45 Impeachment is off the table.

Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at March 01, 2015 12:36 PM (lG2E3)

46 benefits

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:36 PM (nqBYe)

47 Boy. I can't believe anyone would follow that order. I don't want to believe it

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:37 PM (Mk0pF)

48 metals, grains and fossil fuels.
Well, alrighty then!

Posted by: Clive Gentile at March 01, 2015 12:37 PM (tBkAA)

49 Maybe Bibi will rat out Ebola in his speech.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:37 PM (MQEz6)

50 Nip Sip @ 27: "Why isn't it good? Reducing the cost of transfer is a plus."

It's definitely good for you if you're the one shipping the goods. But the big picture shows less demand for such transportation.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 01, 2015 12:37 PM (KTXxI)

51 Posted by: Clive Gentile at March 01, 2015 12:35 PM (tBkAA)

It doesn't include oil.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 12:37 PM (Zu3d9)

52 "Reading Drudge's headline."

Heh.

Surprise? No. Barry has told us for years that if it got down to it that he'd side with Islam.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 12:38 PM (UMBjg)

53 Buncha drama queens. Jeez.

Posted by: splatter at March 01, 2015 12:38 PM (etb5n)

54 Maybe Bibi will rat out Ebola in his speech.

I hope he has good security...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 01, 2015 12:38 PM (Bn6aD)

55 It's used as a rough measure of the state of the world economy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 12:33 PM (Zu3d9)

ty ,CBD

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:38 PM (nqBYe)

56 Just added a link to another view of the slump in price that Moron "sauropod" was kind enough to share.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 12:38 PM (Zu3d9)

57 We are willing to attack an ally, go to war with an ally, to protect Iran

Man. I can't even. Makes me want to cry

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:39 PM (Mk0pF)

58 This son of a bitch hates Jews for the same reason muzzies hate Jews. If this were poker we would call it a tell.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 01, 2015 12:40 PM (WNERA)

59 57 We are willing to attack an ally, go to war with an ally, to protect Iran

Man. I can't even. Makes me want to cry
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:39 PM (Mk0pF)

America Held Hostage: 23 months to go.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:40 PM (MQEz6)

60 So obama leaked Israels plans to fly across iran and land in Azerbaijan and also threatened shooting down Israeli planes overflying iraq? nothing to see here, move along, do not question his patriotism.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 12:40 PM (gsfK5)

61 Unfortunately the hypothetical order "Private Grunt! Shoot down that non-American, non-Iraqi plane over our airspace" is a legal order. It's a shit order from a bastard with his dog-poo crusted shoes on the Resolute Desk, but it is a legal order.

So Pvt. Last-Class Bartholomew Q. Grunt is going to get court-martialed if he delays pulling that trigger.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 01, 2015 12:41 PM (AVEe1)

62 ThunderB, I have been so distraught over the last years over foreign polcy, and watching countries burn and to be handed over to even more evil despots.

but this shit just makes my brain Fry.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:41 PM (nqBYe)

63 Maybe the drop in shipping is due to winter. Because, ya know, we rarely have them and the economy has always gone to shit when we did have one. Every time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 12:41 PM (UMBjg)

64 61 Unfortunately the hypothetical order "Private Grunt! Shoot down that non-American, non-Iraqi plane over our airspace" is a legal order. It's a shit order from a bastard with his dog-poo crusted shoes on the Resolute Desk, but it is a legal order.

So Pvt. Last-Class Bartholomew Q. Grunt is going to get court-martialed if he delays pulling that trigger.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 01, 2015 12:41 PM (AVEe1)

I would stand down and refuse.

Legal or not.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:42 PM (MQEz6)

65 America Held Hostage: 23 months to go.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:40 PM (MQEz6)

And it is getting more and more dangerous the closer we get to the end of his reign.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 12:42 PM (gsfK5)

66 what sauropod said is what I've heard from another source as well. Oversupply, overproduction of very large ships makes the index not as useful as it used to be. But it still might indicate a slowdown, though any slowdown at all will be accentuated in the Baltic Dry Index.

Overall lower prices are good for a consumer, and deflation is helpful for savers, especially since the pluckers like dove Yellin have spent six years paying zero interest and doing QE so commie Obama can look good while playing Santa Claus. Savers have bought everything they need, so have borrowers ... houses are full of cheap Chinese product ... now what? More welfare I guess, so the poor can buy more things.

QE and ZIRP are distorting things, including investments ... it's a brave new world.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 01, 2015 12:42 PM (p4hYf)

67 If you look at the dry index over the years it often is an accurate reflection of the price of shipping and not much else.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 01, 2015 12:42 PM (WNERA)

68 I don't know if Israel has or had the ordinance to hit the underground labs. That said Israel would not have done it with out knowing they could do it. Read the book "Raid on the Sun". Great account of the Iraq raid of Saddam's Nuclear Reactor.

Posted by: Picric at March 01, 2015 12:43 PM (QnQ+g)

69 It's definitely good for you if you're the one
shipping the goods. But the big picture shows less demand for such
transportation.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 01, 2015 12:37 PM (KTXxI)

Not necessarily, as Forbes notes, supply of ships has increase and in the free market those with ships have to fight for cargo. More supply with same demand, price goes down. Even if demand increases, as long as the supply increases at a greater rate, the price will fall.

Regardless, transportation costs of goods are always a cost to producers. Lowering those costs reduces their marginal cost and thus makes their break even point lower.
This is A GOOD thing for the economy, not a bad thing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 01, 2015 12:43 PM (0FSuD)

70 Forbes link doesn't work for me. All I get is the thought for the day.

F Forbes
F internet ads
F Chrome
F Google
F this F'n Computer
F windows
F it all.

Burn it, burn it all.

Posted by: Clive Gentile at March 01, 2015 12:43 PM (tBkAA)

71 America Held Hostage: 23 months to go.

You can expect the Hillary Wet Index to rise as we get closer to my coronation...

Posted by: Hillary! at March 01, 2015 12:44 PM (FcR7P)

72 "And it is getting more and more dangerous the closer we get to the end of his reign."

He's got nothing to lose. The media will back him up regardless. The Hill ain't gonna do shit. The Supremes have custom fitted knee-pads.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 12:44 PM (UMBjg)

73 We have a 3 ton bomb that would do the trick that we said we would sell to Israel but we are holding it instead.

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:45 PM (Mk0pF)

74 You don't need as many ships if everyone buys stuff over the Internet...

Posted by: Kneel deGrasse Tyson at March 01, 2015 12:45 PM (FcR7P)

75 and Feinstein can kiss my rear.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:46 PM (nqBYe)

76 I wonder if Bibi is gonna announce he is bombing iran from the House floor? obama would be so angry he would swallow a load of reggie love.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 12:48 PM (gsfK5)

77 This is the same Fn Iran who supplied EFPs and other weapons of war to kill our men and women in Iraq and the other sand boxs.

No I don't wanna be buddies, I want them dead too.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 01, 2015 12:48 PM (WNERA)

78 Man. I bet all the good guys in the usaf are running for the exits

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:49 PM (Mk0pF)

79 Also, if obama is fucking with Israel and Bibi, maybe Bibi has some secrets of his own he would like to disclose in his speech? Maybe the Mossad had some time to find his grades?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 12:50 PM (gsfK5)

80 He is a monster

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:50 PM (Mk0pF)

81 >>OMG I absolutely hate this ass hole....

YES.
Shoot down Israel's jets to protect freakin' IRAN!!!!
Not enough expletives...not enough....$%#@$%#@!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 01, 2015 12:50 PM (lHHyw)

82 all the fkn shrieking by the administration of congress inviting Bibi and Bibi poking Obama in the eye.

the fkn nerve of their crying .
srsly demented, Congress has its own power and it can invite whomever it desires to speak. just as the Dems did with Calderon in 2010 slapping america around openly on the floor.
But different times Yea?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:51 PM (nqBYe)

83 Haman

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:51 PM (Mk0pF)

84 >>Also, if obama is fucking with Israel and Bibi, maybe Bibi has some secrets of his own he would like to disclose in his speech?

I have a suspicion that is exactly where that Drudge headline came from.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2015 12:52 PM (g1DWB)

85 >>Maybe the Mossad had some time to find his grades?

I'd be more interested in his communications with Iram, and the Muslim Brotherhood, and lord know which other enemies of America he's been cozy with.

Seriously, he's siding with our enemies.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 01, 2015 12:52 PM (lHHyw)

86 Lizzy, i believe they were giving Iran our co ordinates when we go after Isis spots, Because Hey Iran is an ally!

fgs . throws up.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:52 PM (nqBYe)

87 61 Unfortunately the hypothetical order "Private
Grunt! Shoot down that non-American, non-Iraqi plane over our airspace"
is a legal order. It's a shit order from a bastard with his dog-poo
crusted shoes on the Resolute Desk, but it is a legal order.

So Pvt. Last-Class Bartholomew Q. Grunt is going to get court-martialed if he delays pulling that trigger.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 01, 2015 12:41 PM (AVEe1)

I would stand down and refuse.

Legal or not.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 12:42 PM (MQEz6)

It would be debatable whether it was a legal order anyway. Just because a superior officer gives it doesn't necessarily make it legal. Yes, the individual would likely be court martialed. Would he or she be convicted? It would be interesting to find out.

When is the last time a lawful order was given to American personnel, to shoot and kill allied soldiers/sailors/airmen? The closest I can think of were the Vichy french ships blockading a harbor (sorry, I forget where/when), but Vichy france was NOT an ally. Still, lots of men thought long and hard about whether they were willing to kill french sailors. Ultimately, they did, but it was not an easy call. Anywhere up or down the chain of command.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 12:52 PM (Dj0WE)

88 As the smartest man in the world I can wreck the USA and the world at the same time. Doubt me just watch.

Oh! it is my part time job -- I'm turning pro golfer when this job is finished.

Posted by: Obama (signed with autopen) at March 01, 2015 12:52 PM (WNERA)

89 Moloch

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

90 So how is it we are having negotiations with the leaders of one of our most hateful enemies and it is necessary to keep everything secret from us? Our enemies can know everything but not the American people? It is not as if it is some secret negotiation, only secret is what obama is trying to give away.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 12:53 PM (gsfK5)

91 Well I have some aggro to take out, so it's off to play the Free Space 1 port again

I'll pretend the Shivans are Iranian jets. Marg bar Khamanei; marg bar Mullahs

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 01, 2015 12:53 PM (AVEe1)

92
Daddy told me that Barack Obama would make a very good president, and to date, daddy has been absolutely correct.

Posted by: Jugs McCain at March 01, 2015 12:54 PM (P330y)

93 his communications with Iram,

The word "fhtagn" might have come up

Posted by: abdul alhazred at March 01, 2015 12:55 PM (AVEe1)

94 >>Lizzy, i believe they were giving Iran our co ordinates when we go after Isis spots,

Yep, this makes me physically ill. Are we going to witness the destruction of Israel at our own president's hand?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 01, 2015 12:56 PM (lHHyw)

95 He plots the genocide of Jews

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 12:56 PM (Mk0pF)

96 On a related topic, there was a quiet and massive downward revision to previously reported Q414 GDP just the other day.

From 5% all the way down to 2.2% if memory serves.

Just two notes here.

The first is that revisions as large as that indicate that Fedzilla's econometrics are essentially unfit for purpose.

The second is to remember that the Obama administration, around the end of 2013, frustrated with the failure of Obamanomics to produce tangible economic growth, deliberately reweighted GDP calculations in such a way as to count "intangibles" more heavily, and so as to artificially boost GDP by about 2%. So a 2.2% print is basically just above stall speed in old-time terms.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)

97 And speaking of DOOM . . .

http://tinyurl.com/nlozrjz

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 01, 2015 12:58 PM (nsn2M)

98 OT: I suggest a new AOSHQ policy regarding all Jihadi John ISIS videos.

His face in that gang cap should be superimposed over his masked visage in all videos. And put him in a dress too.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2015 12:58 PM (1Y+hH)

99 So how is it we are having negotiations with the
leaders of one of our most hateful enemies and it is necessary to keep
everything secret from us? Our enemies can know everything but not the
American people? It is not as if it is some secret negotiation, only
secret is what obama is trying to give away.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 12:53 PM (gsfK5)

Good question. Of course, it ultimately matters WHAT you are negotiating with them for.

Or so I've been told.

Posted by: Olly North at March 01, 2015 12:58 PM (Dj0WE)

100 Is C-SPAN going to broadcast Bibi's speech? Might be a good occasion for Horde live-blogging (by which I mean of course drunk-blogging).

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 01, 2015 12:59 PM (KH1sk)

101 On a related topic, there was a quiet and massive downward revision to previously reported Q414 GDP just the other day.

From 5% all the way down to 2.2% if memory serves.

Just two notes here.

The first is that revisions as large as that indicate that Fedzilla's econometrics are essentially unfit for purpose.

The second is to remember that the Obama administration, around the end of 2013, frustrated with the failure of Obamanomics to produce tangible economic growth, deliberately reweighted GDP calculations in such a way as to count "intangibles" more heavily, and so as to artificially boost GDP by about 2%. So a 2.2% print is basically just above stall speed in old-time terms.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)

no one believes the official numbers amymore. all that matters is where yellen is keeping rates so everyone can keep playing the indices.

everyone also knows that our recession will eventually be relabeled a depression once obama leaves.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:00 PM (gsfK5)

102 From 5% all the way down to 2.2% if memory serves.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)

I believe 5% was the prior quarter and the first read on the latest quarter was 2.6%, now revised to 2.2%.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2015 01:00 PM (1Y+hH)

103 He is a horrible negotiator. Horrible. Time to pray

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:00 PM (Mk0pF)

104 >>Lizzy, i believe they were giving Iran our co ordinates when we go after Isis spots, Because Hey Iran is an ally!

If you missed it, the other day some of the documents that were recovered when the SEALS killed bin Laden were released during a trial of a suspected terrorist. They showed that not only was bin Laden not "retired" he was actively working with Iran. We recovered approximately 1.5 million documents from that raid, 17 have been released.

Iran is the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism and we are negotiating with them and punishing Israel. No, Obama does not love America.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2015 01:01 PM (g1DWB)

105 Zero Hedge finds something new to freak out about the Baltic Dry Index every six months or so.

Turns out it doesn't seem to mean much as a gauge for the economy, as every single one of their dire predictions have failed.

Posted by: meh at March 01, 2015 01:01 PM (yVY4R)

106 Nip Sip: "This is A GOOD thing for the economy, not a bad thing."

Agreed. However ...

I'm making the distinction between a good THING for the economy and a good SIGN of the economy. They're often related inversely. Material costs, energy costs, labor costs, -- lower are better things (in that they make it easier to produce stuff) but they're worse signs (showing, imperfectly, that these stuffs aren't being made with vigor).

A languishing Baltic Dry Index is a sign that (maybe) global commerce has slowed down.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 01, 2015 01:02 PM (aQssP)

107 I hear the big sticking point in the iran negotiations is that obama wants to give chicago to iran but they are refusing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:02 PM (gsfK5)

108 "I don't know if Israel has or had the ordinance to hit the underground labs. That said Israel would not have done it with out knowing they could do it."

IAF didn't actually know they could do the Osiraq raid until they carried it out. Many huge unknowns. A high projected possibility of failure.

They had loaded down those (not structurally robust) early model F-16s so enormously with fuel and weapons, way beyond design spec safety limits, that the crew chiefs of the jets were worried about possible undercarriage collapse during the takeoff roll.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:02 PM (noWW6)

109 depends on What He is negotiating for.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:03 PM (nqBYe)

110 He is a horrible negotiator.

He's not negotiating. It's an inside job.

Posted by: John Boehner at March 01, 2015 01:03 PM (FcR7P)

111 From 5% all the way down to 2.2% if memory serves.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)

I believe 5% was the prior quarter and the first read on the latest quarter was 2.6%, now revised to 2.2%.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2015 01:00 PM (1Y+hH)

iran keeps wondering what the catch is, no one would give everything away without a catch.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:03 PM (gsfK5)

112 Remember he told the world about Stuxnet. A way to ruin reactors without dropping a bomb. He really wants them to have nukes

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:03 PM (Mk0pF)

113 I'm more concerned about the Baltic Lube Index.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:03 PM (MMC8r)

114 The main reason why living standards increase is that services and products become cheaper as people figure out better ways to do things. There are a million little improvements almost no one knows about (and a few big ones like fracking and CPUs that everyone knows) that drive prices downwards; as "I, Pencil" famously established, we consumers usually only see the result in prices.

Posted by: Joshua Poshua Paisely Mackie Marshall at March 01, 2015 01:04 PM (bgGGN)

115 Susan Rice says Iran is our new ally, not Israel.

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (JgC5a)

116 Not to worry Lizzy and, trust me on this one, Israel will not be destroyed.

Posted by: The Book at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (SEDJv)

117 "Kuwaiti paper claims unnamed Israeli minister with good ties with the US administration 'revealed the attack plan to John Kerry.'"

(cough) Tzipi Livni (cough)

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (noWW6)

118 If I were Bibi I would have taken a ship, especially if obama threatened shooting down Israeli jets. I hope he took an El Al plane with active countermeasures.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (gsfK5)

119
Turns out it doesn't seem to mean much as a gauge for the economy, as every single one of their dire predictions have failed.
Posted by: meh at March 01, 2015 01:01 PM (yVY4R)

Yes, some wet their pants over the BDI when it goes down, but it's not that great an indicator. There are plenty of other indicators that show we are still slogging through the mud of European-style stagnation. I expect that to continue for another 8-9 years, no matter who is in charge.

That doesn't mean you can't build wealth, just means it's harder than it should be to do so.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (1Y+hH)

120 Jackstraw, I read that , Of course the Left will admit to the terrorists lack of loyalty to ONE head.

remember the arguments After they were On fire to go into Iraq their back stepping lies?

of course the terrorist in Afghanistan would Never work in Iraq etc.

they are the most deceitful bastards. i wish i would have known this a lifetime ago.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:06 PM (nqBYe)

121 >>Iran is the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism and we are negotiating
with them and punishing Israel. No, Obama does not love America.

How is this not treason? I know, it's a high bar, but....

ThundrB, Obama also revealed the location of a secret Israeli base a few years ago. He has intentionally sabotaged them again and again.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 01, 2015 01:06 PM (lHHyw)

122
Is this the Hot Dog thread; because I have no idea?

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 01, 2015 01:07 PM (hbvPW)

123 when obama saw 300 he wondered where he could get him a gold thong and nose ring.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:07 PM (gsfK5)

124 Susan Rice says Iran is our new ally, not Israel.
Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (JgC5a)

article?
i missed that one.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:07 PM (nqBYe)

125 Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at March 01, 2015 12:36 PM (lG2E3)

I wouldn't go so far as to say any chaps Boehner wears are ass-LESS.

Posted by: jwpaine at March 01, 2015 01:08 PM (a3NCX)

126 of course Susan Rice saying this should come as no surprise i guess, Seeing Samantha Powers was also picked for Foreign policy .

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:09 PM (nqBYe)

127 Reading Drudge's headline.

Hoo boy.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 01, 2015 12:32 PM (AVEe1)

What in the holy fuck!!

Posted by: spypeach at March 01, 2015 01:09 PM (/vbEv)

128 He is doing everything he can to get them a bomb and isolate Israel. Everything.

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:09 PM (Mk0pF)

129 "Iran is the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism and we are negotiating with them and punishing Israel. No, Obama does not love America."

Obama is by far the worst of a bad lot, but John Schindler (@20committee on Twitter) pointed out the other day that there is a *long* previous history of other U.S. Presidents treating Iranian exportation of terror in a less than serious way.

Also, in a purely financial sense, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism is Saudi Arabia. And in a purely financial sense _per capita_, the world's biggest sponsor of terror is probably Qatar.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:09 PM (noWW6)

130 Extra Crunchy DOOM

Boehner has found a way to fvck us up the ass and pretend to be across town at the time.

http://tinyurl.com/po3mxnl

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 01, 2015 01:10 PM (Un05n)

131 Iran has assisted in the murder of How many of our soldiers?

how is this anyone to negotiate with?
the only negotiations that Should exist with Iran constantly threatening countries around the world is .
You desist Now or you're gone.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:10 PM (nqBYe)

132 and tht fkn Jarret. fgs, It's a nightmare.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:11 PM (nqBYe)

133 A languishing Baltic Dry Index is a sign that (maybe) global commerce has slowed down.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 01, 2015 01:02 PM (aQssP)

Could be. I'd give it a 50/50 chance that is correct. China is starting to suck wind, aka they just started pumping, so they are slowing down.

We are, I think, just threading water till we get rid of Obama.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 01, 2015 01:11 PM (0FSuD)

134 when obama comments here he goes by the nic 12thimam.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:11 PM (gsfK5)

135 Except Saudi is teaming up with Israel to use the Internet to spy on iran.

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:12 PM (Mk0pF)

136 Susan Rice says Iran is our new ally, not Israel.

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:05 PM (JgC5a)

article?

i missed that one.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:07 PM (nqBYe)

I'm going to assume it came from the Read Between the Lines Times.

I sincerely doubt she actually said it, but yeah, that's becoming more and more obvious all the time.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 01:12 PM (Dj0WE)

137 Except Saudi is teaming up with Israel to use the Internet to spy on iran. They don't want iran to have a bomb either. Becuase they have figured out they are next

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:13 PM (Mk0pF)

138 Susan Rice says Iran is our new ally, not Israel.

'Death To America!' is common ground with this adminstration.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:13 PM (MMC8r)

139 This (among other perfectly ridiculous statements) was uttered by Susan Rice during a press conference last week. We may have missed it due to all the other noise.

"The US will still need to support its best friend in the Middle East, which, at this point in time happens to be Iran."

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:13 PM (JgC5a)

140 81 >>OMG I absolutely hate this ass hole....

YES.
Shoot down Israel's jets to protect freakin' IRAN!!!!
Not enough expletives...not enough....$%#@$%#@!!!

Posted by: Lizzy

If true (and I'm quite sure it is), this is actually the biggest news of the entire Obama administration.

(See Drudge at the moment -- good that he is featuring this story prominently.)

With this incident, Obama has placed our military at the disposal of Iran, in order to defend Iran's nuclear-bomb-making facilities.

In other words, the reversal is complete: America is now on the side of the terrorists.

Obama somehow managed to switch sides without most Americans even knowing it.

This is the equivalent of FDR attacking British planes on their way to bomb Germany.

It is treason, it is epic in importance, it is the biggest news of the last six years.

And the media are such whores, such self-loathing evil traitors, that they will do everything in their power to cover it up.

Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:14 PM (K4YiS)

141 mm, yes, i do remember that information about shooting Israels planes down (idea Brezinski) But i hadn't know the USA was on board with the idea.

perhaps they are/were.
but He opened his big fat mouth . and well we mustn't have that!

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:14 PM (nqBYe)

142 >>Also, in a purely financial sense, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism is Saudi Arabia.

The difference being that while there are individuals in Saudi Arabia who support terrorism the government is not officially sponsoring terrorism. Iran is.

Iran has long been recognized by the State Department as the world's number one sponsor of state terrorism.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2015 01:14 PM (g1DWB)

143 Let's all also remember Susan Rice saying of the deserter and traitor Bowe Bergdahl, whose actions got a bunch of his loyal brothers in arms killed, that he "served honorably".

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:15 PM (noWW6)

144 The US will still need to support its best friend in the Middle East, which, at this point in time happens to be Iran."
Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:13 PM (JgC5a)

wow, just wow.

they are fkn nuts.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:15 PM (nqBYe)

145 I've been reviewing Babylon 5 seasons 3 and 4 and it's damn difficult to watch some of those episodes because they are so damn scary. That was during the Clinton administration and right wing extremists were the left's bogyman, not realizing that it works both ways.

And these last two days, last two weeks. . . well some of us have been screaming for years that George Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.

Obama scared the hell outa me back in '08 and it hasn't gotten any better since.

Posted by: Clive Gentile at March 01, 2015 01:15 PM (tBkAA)

146 Have any of the quarterly numbers not been revised downward in a major way for the past 6 years. How does this surprise the media? Right off the bat they should just go ahead and subtract 2% off.

Posted by: Picric at March 01, 2015 01:16 PM (QnQ+g)

147 He isn't
Chamberlain

He is Mussoulini

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:16 PM (Mk0pF)

148 138 Susan Rice says Iran is our new ally, not Israel.

'Death To America!' is common ground with this adminstration.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:13 PM (MMC8r)

139 This (among other perfectly ridiculous statements) was uttered by Susan Rice during a press conference last week. We may have missed it due to all the other noise.

"The US will still need to support its best friend in the Middle East, which, at this point in time happens to be Iran."
Posted by: navybrat

In a sane world, this would lead to impeachment, conviction and imprisonment for Obama and many of his cronies.

Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:16 PM (K4YiS)

149 "China is starting to suck wind"

That's how I parse a BDI collapse.

Meanwhile, the Chinese authorities have blown the biggest credit bubble in history in an attempt to keep the growth figures up. Enormous capital misallocation, terrible risk if growth doesn't eventuate quickly enough to service all of the new debt.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:17 PM (noWW6)

150 wow control with FCC will be a prescient act.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:17 PM (nqBYe)

151 "they are fkn nuts."

Yes. They are.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 01:17 PM (UMBjg)

152 trying to glue my skull back into position.
went all splodey.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:18 PM (nqBYe)

153 And don't forget Eric Holder said that he wants all Americans to read "Malcom X".

It's like drinking from a firehose. The weird never ends.

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:19 PM (JgC5a)

154
Comparing Iranian support for terrorism - systematic, aggressive, directed and approved from the very top leadership, utilizing all state assets and instruments needed, global - to $$$ that comes from people who are either Saudi, or Kuwaiti, or UAE citizens (or British, or American) is not very meaningful.

I would have loved for the SAS and British intel to have been able to take out big IRA supporters in the US (hello, Rep. King!). But I don't think it would have made much sense for the Brits to conclue "hmm, the US is one of the biggest sponsors of IRA terror". We're not the only country where private action and resources can diverge from national policy.

The Gulf regimes have been the targets and enemies of most serious terrorist operations since they got going in the late 1960s. Regime response has varied, from buying them off, to "retaining" them to keep to play dirty (use as an asset), to viciously fighting them (often cooperating with us and the Brits and, more recently, the Little Satan itself).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2015 01:20 PM (afQnV)

155 they are fkn nuts.
Posted by: comrade willow

It's one thing to say that one's political opponents are "nuts" -- but in this case the people who are nuts control this entire nation, speak for you, have trillions of dollars and the world's most powerful military at their disposal, and can alter the course of history.

"They" are indeed nuts -- but they are in the drivers' seat and have chained themselves to the steering wheel.

Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:20 PM (K4YiS)

156 The US will still need to support its best friend in the Middle East, which, at this point in time happens to be Iran."
Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:13 PM (JgC5a)

The searching I'm doing on that quote may indicate it originates from a 'satire' site.

Still checking....

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

157 Ok, here's your source for the quote:

http://tinyurl.com/k8uxd2d

An outfit called newslo.com, author's name Alex Stevan, claiming this was an exclusive given to them by Rice.

I'm going to say this is one of those "don't believe everything you read on the internet" type things. Until shown otherwise.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 01:21 PM (Dj0WE)

158 Just when I thought I couldn't be shocked anymore.

BAM!!!

I am still sitting here with my mouth open.

How is he getting away with this shit.

Posted by: spypeach at March 01, 2015 01:21 PM (/vbEv)

159 "The searching I'm doing on that quote may indicate it originates from a 'satire' site.
"

The New York Times....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 01:22 PM (UMBjg)

160
As I said in 2009, now we know what it's like to have a college faculty in charge of the entire federal government.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 01, 2015 01:23 PM (hbvPW)

161 Nip Sip -

Again, it's imperfect. Other imperfect indicators are the prices oil and copper. Caterpillar stock is used, too, because if stuff is being built, then Cat equipment is on site and (so the logic goes) Cat's profits are healthy and Cat stock will rise. It, too, is a thumbnail indicator.

Take a bunch of these together, though, and the picture isn't great.

(Btw, I'm with you on your prediction.)

Posted by: FireHorse at March 01, 2015 01:23 PM (aQssP)

162 Doesn't matter. They have been caught planning to shoot down israeli aircraft to protect iran nukes. Doesn't matter what Rice said.

Israel is the enemy

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:23 PM (Mk0pF)

163 >>"The US will still need to support its best friend in the Middle East, which, at this point in time happens to be Iran."

It's like an episode of Twilight Zone, where America has been turned into a Muslim country. Esepcially after the recent "Extremism" conference where everything was geared toward more Muslim involvement in our anti-terrorism efforts, Christians and Jews were lectured to stop hating, etc.
Seriously, words fail...

Posted by: Lizzy at March 01, 2015 01:24 PM (lHHyw)

164
An outfit called newslo.com, author's name Alex Stevan, claiming this was an exclusive given to them by Rice.

Yes, newslo calls itself a 'new/satire' site on it's 'about us' page.

I hate sites like this. They're hit-whoring trolls.

The Onion, at least, wants you to know it's a goof.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:24 PM (MMC8r)

165 Yeah, I'm going to say newslo.com is not a serious site.

Funny? Not that I can see, but apparently using outrageous quotes that cannot be taken as serious.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 01:24 PM (Dj0WE)

166 I am praying for the safety of Bibi, he needs to watch his back. This is some scary shit.

Posted by: spypeach at March 01, 2015 01:24 PM (/vbEv)

167 "And don't forget Eric Holder said that he wants all Americans to read 'Malcom X'."

Just askin' here:

When was the last time any of us heard a sitting Cabinet officer in a Republican administration recommend for "all Americans" to read a particular piece of conservative literature?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:25 PM (noWW6)

168 Sorry, 'news/satire.'

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:25 PM (MMC8r)

169
And, remember, this week the Republican Congress will most likely give full authorization to obama to supposedly fight ISIS, which obama will twist into something grotesque that will end up hurting the USA.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 01, 2015 01:25 PM (hbvPW)

170 Well, the Rice quote is peripheral, compared to the airplane shoot-down threat.

Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:25 PM (K4YiS)

171 Pray for us. World war seems at hand

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:26 PM (Mk0pF)

172 An outfit called newslo.com, author's name Alex Stevan, claiming this was an exclusive given to them by Rice.

Yes, newslo calls itself a 'new/satire' site on it's 'about us' page.

I hate sites like this. They're hit-whoring trolls.

The Onion, at least, wants you to know it's a goof.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:24 PM (MMC8r)

Agreed. The rule is, if you are going to be satire, the absolute necessity is that you be funny. If you can't, you are worthless crep.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 01:26 PM (Dj0WE)

173 Glad the Rice qquote is fabricated, but the fact that it mirrors their actions...?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 01, 2015 01:26 PM (lHHyw)

174 If that report about Obama threatening to shoot down Israeli planes is true, Congress needs to call for all sorts of investigations.

Obama really is a Muslim Manchurian candidate, yet I'm sure Jews will still line up to give the guy money.

Posted by: Kal at March 01, 2015 01:26 PM (13G+x)

175 whew. ok rice comment is b.s.
at least there is that.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:27 PM (nqBYe)

176 Ball Tick Dry in Dicks? Is on DOWN LOW? --Rev. Al

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 01, 2015 01:28 PM (xq1UY)

177 I am not feeling love for my birth place. Come on homies, Iran be cool.

I have no influence on this, really. I be recusing myselfs

Posted by: Valere, queen of the WH at March 01, 2015 01:28 PM (0FSuD)

178 Sorry to have fallen for that one. It seemed perfectly plausible given all of the other crap that falls out of her mouth.

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:29 PM (JgC5a)

179 back to this Bibi poking Obama in the eye.

Yet they send Obama's team of 5 to upset the elections In Israel?
yet Obama is the one complaining?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:29 PM (nqBYe)

180 hey, kids

some of y'all need to point your camera's in other directions, it is causing some of our junior staff to cry to HR about 'no such thing as eye bleach'

best regards

Posted by: Rick at The NSA at March 01, 2015 01:30 PM (pIhxB)

181 Meremortal said, correcting me on GDP,

"I believe 5% was the prior quarter and the first read on the latest quarter was 2.6%, now revised to 2.2%."

And that turns out to be quite right. I hadn't read the details yet. Spent the entire week fighting a bunch of abrupt brushfire events from out of nowhere, and am just now getting properly caught up on what happened while I was busy.

I had noted that 2.2% growth is not that far above where we used to reckon "stall speed" to be, and that observation remains unaltered by the error.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:30 PM (noWW6)

182 navybrat, it's sometimes those things that seem So believable that lure us in.

but i'm glad it was bounced into the pit of fire.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:31 PM (nqBYe)

183
Sad state when satire is so easily mistaken for reality.

Line is growing thinner by the day, too.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 01, 2015 01:32 PM (jeCnD)

184 Order Americans to kill Israelis.

The MSM will go into Ultraprotection Mode to kill this story.

Orange and Turtle will help them do it.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2015 01:32 PM (MQEz6)

185 I had noted that 2.2% growth is not that far above where we used to reckon "stall speed" to be, and that observation remains unaltered by the error.

Yeah, and a five-point surge the quarter before? I'm wondering if that might have been a a)lie, or b) statistical tic, or c) flameout.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 01:33 PM (MMC8r)

186 Yet they send Obama's team of 5 to upset the elections In Israel?

yet Obama is the one complaining?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:29 PM (nqBYe)

You failed to mention the company the five work for is getting paid by the State Department for "work"

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 01, 2015 01:33 PM (0FSuD)

187 He is Mussoulini
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:16 PM (Mk0pF)
---
He's got Benito's chin tilt and love of pomp, certainly. Will he and Reggie come to the same sad end as Mussolini and his mistress?

Weird times.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 01, 2015 01:35 PM (KH1sk)

188 Brzezinski was a top candidate to become an official advisor to President Obama

but he was downgraded after Republican and pro-Israel Democratic charges during the campaign that Brzezinskis anti-Israel attitude would damage Obama at the polls.

so it's about Polls?
of course.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:36 PM (nqBYe)

189 According to Carl in Jerusalem, this report came from a Kuwaiti newspaper-Al Jarida, and has not been confirmed by any other source.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 01:36 PM (SBPhe)

190 Nip Sip a nice point.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:36 PM (nqBYe)

191 Pro Israel democrat is an oxymoron

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:37 PM (Mk0pF)

192 Ben Had which report?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:37 PM (nqBYe)

193 Michael Walsh has a column at PJM about how Democrats hurt Asians.Asiian also vote heavily Dem(except maybe Vietnamese and Cambodians).

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2015 01:37 PM (KETbL)

194 According to Carl in Jerusalem, this report came from a Kuwaiti newspaper-Al Jarida, and has not been confirmed by any other source.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 01:36 PM (SBPhe)

yeah, completely unbelievable, obama never did anything that would indicate he would make a threat against Israel.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:38 PM (gsfK5)

195 the report about Brezinski?

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:38 PM (nqBYe)

196 That drop in fuel prices they reference in that link is a short term thing. It WILL go back up.

We are doomed because contrary to the lies being spewed by Obama and crowd inflation and unemployment are both at reocrd levels. Real unemployment is as high as it was in the depression and inflation is most likely at 20%+.

Posted by: Vic at March 01, 2015 01:39 PM (wlDny)

197 Like reveal Stuxnet

Or secret bases

Or flight plans

Never happen

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:39 PM (Mk0pF)

198 @ 192- Sorry if I wasn't clear- About o shooting down Israeli planes.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 01:39 PM (SBPhe)

199 Well, there were a lot of leaks about a possible air strike back when that was a thing, and a lot of discussion including Brezinski's public opinion.

Obama still managed to look weak even then by not making a credible public statement one way or the other.

Posted by: Clive Gentile at March 01, 2015 01:40 PM (tBkAA)

200 hmm, slright ty Ben Had.
i'll check it out.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:40 PM (nqBYe)

201
I still want to know who the jerkoff was at CPAC who said it's okay, we'll survive obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 01, 2015 01:41 PM (hbvPW)

202 According to Carl in Jerusalem, this report came from a Kuwaiti newspaper-Al Jarida, and has not been confirmed by any other source.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 01:36 PM (SBPhe)

if you follow Drudge's link it is in the headline of the story.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:42 PM (gsfK5)

203 OK, the outrage beast must be fed.
Here ya go. I think this is completely legit.

http://tinyurl.com/mt9ckec

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:43 PM (JgC5a)

204 Israel leaked this story. Cause it's true

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:44 PM (Mk0pF)

205 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:42 PM (gsfK5)

I can't find an English site for the Kuwaiti paper.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 01:44 PM (Zu3d9)

206 194 and 197- I wouldn't put anything past this lying, cocksuckin mother fucker. Makes me wonder why the Kuwaitis' would put this out now? Maybe they don't think the deal with iran is so good either.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 01:46 PM (SBPhe)

207 Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:44 PM (Mk0pF)

I agree.

Obama is trying to finish what Hitler started and the Mufti applauded.

Too bad those pesky Israelis have different ideas.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 01:46 PM (Zu3d9)

208 Israel fed it to them and they don't want to be taken over by Iran either

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:47 PM (Mk0pF)

209
NASCAR command to start engines today at ATL?

"....in the name of God and Country, start..........your..........enginesssssss!"

The liberals will blow a gasket? How dare that conservative invoke God at a public event. Hang the bastard!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 01, 2015 01:47 PM (P330y)

210 Don't worry we will survive two more years of obama

Posted by: Never been right yet at March 01, 2015 01:48 PM (WNERA)

211 150 wow control with FCC will be a prescient act.

It's been nice knowing y'all, but I fear our little "coffee klatch's" days are numbered.

I'm all for amateur radio, but would be leery of transmitting...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 01, 2015 01:48 PM (4DCSq)

212 Pre-conceived notions shape our perceptions of reality more than reality itself. If you go looking for DOOM, DOOM you will find.
However, if you take off the tin-foil hat for a moment, the low BSI is easily explained:
1) Low oil prices, duh...
2) Container ships are getting massively bigger and more efficient (cheaper) per unit shipped.
3) Outside the US, most world economies are still struggling, especially Europe, due to stupid austerity policies (Economy is slow, so let's apply contractionary measures and then be surprised when contraction occurs).
4) Building all those mega-ships created a temporary over-supply, which will get fixed as shipbuilding slows in response to low rates (Markets work!, duh).

Bottom line, nothing to see here, move along.
Not that I expect the acolytes of "DOOM, I tell you, DOOM" to lower their blood pressure and enjoy life instead of worrying about arcane and irrelevant statistics.

Posted by: tommyvee at March 01, 2015 01:50 PM (Y1LaO)

213 Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 01, 2015 01:47 PM (Mk0pF)

The sad thing (for the world) is that a nuclear Iran will be the catalyst for an insane arms race, which will include nuclear weapons.

For all of the Arab world's bitching about Israeli nukes, privately they don't care at all, because they know that Israel is responsible and would never use them aggressively.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 01:50 PM (Zu3d9)

214
All Sunni Arab regimes regard Iran as the primary enemy. Yes nutcases like ISIS are a problem obviously, but the state-level threat and rival is and has been Iran for a long time. So in this Israel and the Sunni Arab regimes share essentially parallel interests, and cooperation towards a solution (or assistance and field-shaping as in leaks and info) among them has been happening and will continue.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2015 01:51 PM (afQnV)

215 OK, the outrage beast must be fed.

Here ya go. I think this is completely legit.

http://tinyurl.com/mt9ckec

Posted by: navybrat at March 01, 2015 01:43 PM (JgC5a)

Interesting stuff. I like the way Mark is gently trying to tell her to put it up on a website, so as to keep a bazillion people from trying to call her.

Which is of course only one step. People do seem to need a more tangible source for information than radio shows and websites. It would help to have congressional committees putting people under oath, getting documents subpoenaed, but really, it feels like we're mobilizing for a war that is already 90% over.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 01:51 PM (Dj0WE)

216 Bottom line, nothing to see here, move along.
Not that I expect the acolytes of "DOOM, I tell you, DOOM" to lower their blood pressure and enjoy life instead of worrying about arcane and irrelevant statistics.
Posted by: tommyvee at March 01, 2015 01:50 PM (Y1LaO)

you have a point, i am trying to not go over the deep end like the left did during Bush's terms.

remember Fema camps and destroying consitution..
i wonder where those ideas came from?
yeah i will try to not fall off to the degree they did.
OR except B.S.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:52 PM (nqBYe)

217 accept b.s. even.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:53 PM (nqBYe)

218 Not that I expect the acolytes of "DOOM, I tell you,
DOOM" to lower their blood pressure and enjoy life instead of worrying
about arcane and irrelevant statistics.

Posted by: tommyvee

All of which was already discussed above, but thanks for the snotty drive-by comment.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 01, 2015 01:53 PM (EwP4K)

219 tommyvee, please. "Austerity policies". Please to document and explain how massive, unprecedented monetary expansion and continued fiscal incontinence is in any way "austerity". Or how short term policies account for the performance of economies that have been shackled by huge structural impediments and idiocies going on three generations.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2015 01:54 PM (afQnV)

220 Lately for the first time in my life, I've felt ashamed of my country.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 01, 2015 01:55 PM (zRby/)

221 "I still want to know who the jerkoff was at CPAC who said it's okay, we'll survive obama."

Rick Perry.

Personally, I think we will of course survive Obama. It's just that Obama has caused enough permanent irrevocable damage to what had been an already badly listing ship of state that it is now inevitable for that ship to go under.

Not in the next two years, not in the next ten. Quarter-century time frame? Nothin' left but the bubbles and the oil slick.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 01:55 PM (noWW6)

222 Posted by: tommyvee at March 01, 2015 01:50 PM (Y1LaO)

1. Spot oil prices don't change the BDI very much. Most carriers own long-term contracts for fuel.

2. That doesn't explain rapid change.

3. Agreed, although Europe and China are getting worse.

4. I don't buy this explanation completely. Shipbuilding takes a long time, and shipping companies will extend building times to balance demand, because it's cheaper to pay a bit more to the builder than to let a completed ship sit idle.

5. Tin-foil hat? Really?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 01:55 PM (Zu3d9)

223 It's clear that Obama wants Iran to get nuclear bombs.

Every step he makes aids Iran in its quest.

The question then becomes: Why?

And the terrifying realization is that any conceivable answer to that question is ugly, mortifying, hair-raising, and brutal.

I offer as potential answers to that "Why?":

a. Obama want Iran to nuke Israel to finally complete the genocide of the Jewish people.

b. Obama despises America and it role in the world defending capitalism, and wants America to be defeated and relegated to the dustbin of history.

c. He is trying to facilitate the establishment of a new Islamic caliphate.

d. ????? What else could his rationale possibly be?

Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:56 PM (K4YiS)

224 also we just Know the unemplyment figures are Kosher, but that 47 million american need foodstamps.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:56 PM (nqBYe)

225 CBD, i believe it's a spoiler.
(troll)

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:57 PM (nqBYe)

226
Really? We're gonna survive obama? Wow, that's great news!

How about all the liberties and freedom we lost?

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 01, 2015 01:58 PM (hbvPW)

227 alright now i have to get back to reality and prepare dinner.
iron out the details everyone.

Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:58 PM (nqBYe)

228 d. ????? What else could his rationale possibly be?
Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:56 PM (K4YiS)

A double top secret plan to leave america the only country standing?

Hmmm, no. Well, let me think on it.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 01, 2015 01:59 PM (WNERA)

229 CBD,

here is a link for the google translation of the original story.

http://tinyurl.com/qebgn7l

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:59 PM (gsfK5)

230 Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:56 PM (K4YiS)

a. Yes...as sad and sick and twisted as it sounds, Obama is a man of the Left, and that is one of their mainstays.

b. By now this is axiomatic.

c. Perhaps, but militant Islam is also sticking its thumb in America's eye, which makes Obama happy.

d. Do we need another reason?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 01:59 PM (Zu3d9)

231 I read the Forbes article and it doesn't convince me.

Short summary: the drop in shipping prices isn't a sign of economic slowdown, it's just a sign of overcapacity in the shipping industry.

(Not provided: any data to back that up.)

Here's my problem with the Forbes article: new ships were built to handle increased demand, especially for Asian imports and exports. If there's too many ships, that means the demand isn't as high as people expected when those keels were laid. Which means the economy is slowing down. Just as the Baltic Index suggests . . .

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 01, 2015 02:00 PM (ULxbM)

232 >>What else could his rationale possibly be?

The most charitable other reason I can come up with is he believes that the only way to stop Iran from getting a nuke is to go to war. Iran has been quite clear on it's goal to get nukes and no amount of negotiating is going to stop them.

Obama will never commit the US to a war of his making. A fly by like we did in Libya or are currently doing in Iraq/Syria is one thing but just as in the ISIS he won't commit ground troops and complete the job.

So he's just kicking the can down the road and pretending that he is getting some concessions. He's trying to run out the clock and turn this bag of crap over to his successor as Clinton did with al Qaeda.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2015 02:00 PM (g1DWB)

233 Posted by: comrade willow at March 01, 2015 01:57 PM (nqBYe)

Probably!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 02:00 PM (Zu3d9)

234 OT: Minnie Minoso, dead at age 90(?).

His dream was to one day make it to Cooperstown. The bastards couldn't get it done in time.

RIP, dude. One of the most under-appreciated talents of all time.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 01, 2015 02:01 PM (Dj0WE)

235 @ 38 Yes means Maybe at March 01, 2015 12:34 PM

Wasn't there a big drop-off in the index in '08 before the crash? I recall people on other forums talking about this a couple years back. A low BDGI was claimed to be a flashing light on the economy's dashboard. Can anyone here substantiate this claim?

Posted by: Meriadoc at March 01, 2015 02:02 PM (0lkD2)

236 Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2015 01:56 PM (K4YiS)

Also remember that Obama didn't lift a finger in the 'Green Uprising' in 2009 (against an Islamist regime), but pushed full force to drive uprisings against secular regimes throughout the region (the 'Arab Spring').

They're undeniably pro-Islamist. They want an Islamist superpower.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 02:02 PM (MMC8r)

237 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:59 PM (gsfK5)

Thanks....although that translation is awful!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 02:02 PM (Zu3d9)

238
btw, lulz @ Rand Paul winning the straw vote at CPAC

Some of you better get comfy with the idea of voting for Rand Paul in 2016...or hillary clinton. Your choice.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 01, 2015 02:02 PM (hbvPW)

239 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 01:59 PM (gsfK5)

Thanks....although that translation is awful!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2015 02:02 PM (Zu3d9)

yeah it is awful; now we know what we have to look forward to when the new fcc rules are imposed.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 01, 2015 02:04 PM (gsfK5)

240
Don't forget about me in '16!

Posted by: My 600 lb Life in NJ at March 01, 2015 02:04 PM (P330y)

241 Ok, here's your source for the quote:

http://tinyurl.com/k8uxd2d

An outfit called newslo.com, author's name Alex Stevan, claiming this was an exclusive given to them by Rice.

I'm going to say this is one of those "don't believe everything you read on the internet" type things. Until shown otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC

This actually a satire piece.

Does have the ring of truth, though, doesn't it?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....in the bleak midwinter at March 01, 2015 02:05 PM (+1T7c)

242
Wasn't there a big drop-off in the index in '08 before the crash? I recall people on other forums talking about this a couple years back. A low BDGI was claimed to be a flashing light on the economy's dashboard. Can anyone here substantiate this claim?

Posted by: Meriadoc

BDI chart in nic. Yes, for the most part.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 01, 2015 02:05 PM (EwP4K)

243 #234. RIP Minnie Minoso.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 01, 2015 02:07 PM (Gcu5R)

244 The Canada Dry index says all is well.

Posted by: McKenzie Brothers at March 01, 2015 02:09 PM (W5DcG)

245 "????? What else could his rationale possibly be?"

Obama believes that American influence and power are bad things. In his mind, it is the root cause of most of the world's problems. If he can move the U.S. out of the business of the M.E., replaced with a regional nuke power like Iran, he thinks that is a good thing. They can manage themselves and the U.S. won't have to worry about it or get involved anymore. The M.E. can then resolve the "Israel problem" of their own accord and, oh well the outcome.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 01, 2015 02:11 PM (UMBjg)

246 "Really? We're gonna survive obama? Wow, that's great news! How about all the liberties and freedom we lost?"

Yes, because things were going so well for liberties and freedoms in this country before Obama showed up. Positively paradisiacal.

I especially liked Obama's Republican predecessor and the Republican Congress telling me that as a member of the serf class, I was no longer to be trusted with decisions involving light bulbs or gasoline. Yeah, that's "freedom", baby. Taste it!

As I said, Obama took over a seriously sick and failing country and accelerated it further and faster than before towards its now inevitable ugly demise.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 02:13 PM (noWW6)

247 I think Obama didn't get involved in The Green Revolution is because he was new to the job and basically a pussy, but basically a pussy

Posted by: #28 moron at March 01, 2015 02:15 PM (pIhxB)

248 "btw, lulz @ Rand Paul winning the straw vote at CPAC. Some of you better get comfy with the idea of voting for Rand Paul in 2016...or hillary clinton. Your choice."

Really? My "choice" is Luap Nard or Shrillary? Voting is now mandatory Australian-style? I don't have the "choice" to simply sit home and drink heavily?

Regardless, if bussed-in volunteers in a straw poll were the stuff of primary victories, the Luap Nor 2012 campaign would have crushed Mitt Romney like a wet cardboard box under an M-1 Abrams tank.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 02:16 PM (noWW6)

249 "It could be that a fall in the Baltic Dry means a reduction in demand for shipping. It could be that it means an increase in the supply of it. "

Isn't this something that can be known? Is there a total tonnage-carried metric anywhere?

Posted by: toby928(C) says call me Odysseus at March 01, 2015 02:21 PM (rwI+c)

250 Walker has a double digit lead in the Iowa poll and leads in the National polls. Rand Paul people might want to reconsider their victory parties.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 01, 2015 02:22 PM (glJL/)

251 Daughter at AIPAC. Code pink and Hezbullaj too

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 01, 2015 02:23 PM (zsVw9)

252 I don't have the "choice" to simply sit home and drink heavily?

Jack Daniels/Ether2016: Because WTF.

Posted by: toby928(C) says call me Odysseus at March 01, 2015 02:24 PM (rwI+c)

253 I definitely think Rand Paul is in the hunt much more than his poll numbers would have you believe. I could easily see him being underestimated and all of a sudden start racking up victories.

I'm leaning towards Walker but I don't have a problem with Rand.

Posted by: Kal at March 01, 2015 02:29 PM (13G+x)

254 The pinko's claim they are going to prevent Bibi from speaking. I don't know if this is AIPAC as well as congress.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 02:31 PM (zRCkz)

255 Watched an episode of Mighty Ships which followed a container ship loading in Canada a little bit of everything to ship to a remote Canadian city located up some river within the Arctic Circle From dynamite to cars to restaurant supplies to lumber. The city had no port so they had to transfer the cargo to barges which then tugs towed them to the bank of the river eleven miles upstream. The container ship supplied the barges , tugs and cranes which were also stored on the ship. They never said how much it cost people to have these items shipped. I can't imagine it was cheap after watching the process.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 01, 2015 02:32 PM (glJL/)

256 " I can't imagine it was cheap after watching the process. "

I new a guy that was selling junk electrical motors to China before the crash. Less than $3000 for a 20-footer.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 01, 2015 02:39 PM (cZOkr)

257 Iran has a GDP less than that of Dallas-Fortworth, and almost all of it from a commodity that has to be transported by ship and exposed pipeline.

I cannot believe we're taken shit from this pissant country for almost four decades.

Posted by: toby928(C) says call me Odysseus at March 01, 2015 02:41 PM (rwI+c)

258 They are planning a "revolt" at aipac

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 01, 2015 02:41 PM (zsVw9)

259 The pinko's even being at AIPAC is revolting

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 02:43 PM (zRCkz)

260 Lots of heavy food for thought this weekend: Weirddave's excellent molon labe post, Bob Owens reply to it; that Drudge headline; the fact that we keep getting fed bs numbers about economy; and the seeming lack of heart in congress. All that being said, darkness encroaches only when light diminishes. Like my institutional (Army) ancestors, i won't give up and will try to keep the light on, though it may be small. Fuck the darkness. In the ear.

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 01, 2015 02:43 PM (pqOzY)

261 They never said how much it cost people to have these items shipped. I can't imagine it was cheap after watching the process.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 01, 2015 02:32 PM (glJL/)

There were articles in our local Canadian rag a few weeks ago about people living way up north and how much they pay for basic food items.

I'd love to toss out some numbers, but I don't recall them exactly and it wouldn't be accurate, but they did make my eyes widen. And then I thought that if you don't like paying x dollars for basic goods, move out of the freaking North.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 01, 2015 02:44 PM (AC0lD)

262 "I cannot believe we're taken shit from this pissant country for almost four decades."

It's about time someone took this country down a few slats. Stealing their oil and shaming Islam all that time.

Posted by: Barry O. at March 01, 2015 02:45 PM (UMBjg)

263 The pinko's claim they are going to prevent Bibi from speaking.

But they're not fascists.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 02:45 PM (MMC8r)

264 We're gonna need a butterfly net, a straight jacket and a huge dose of lithium.

Secretary of State John Kerry touted the US 'relationship with Israel, arguing "we have a closer relationship with Israel right now, in terms of security, than at anytime in history"

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 01, 2015 02:47 PM (LImiJ)

265 Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 01, 2015 02:44 PM (AC0lD)

They showed the one guy who ordered all the supplies for the year for his Pizza shop. All I could think was " I wonder how much he charges for a large pie? "

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 01, 2015 02:48 PM (glJL/)

266 I wonder if the news of shooting down of planes wasn't leaked to get out in front of Bibi.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 01, 2015 02:48 PM (k3BWg)

267
Secretary of State John Kerry touted the US 'relationship with Israel, arguing "we have a closer relationship with Israel right now, in terms of security, than at anytime in history"

"John Kerry is right."

--Shit No One Ever Said, Ever, Vol 1.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 02:48 PM (MMC8r)

268 They did say it was much cheaper than having supplies flown in.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 01, 2015 02:49 PM (glJL/)

269 Yes, Abe Vigoda is still alive and today is his birthday. He is 94.

Posted by: Vic at March 01, 2015 02:54 PM (wlDny)

270 The head pinko scrunt held a fundraiser and the paper printed her home address. I would love for her to come home and find500,000 tonsof eco friendly compost covering her house.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 02:54 PM (zRCkz)

271 Oops left out the link

http://beta.twcc.com/entertainment/galleries/2015/02/stillalive#0

Posted by: Vic at March 01, 2015 02:54 PM (wlDny)

272 The Drudge Headline confirms that Israel is alone. I can't imagine what Bibi is going to say given what we (this regime) did to him in 2014. It is unbelievable. We really are rushing headlong towards the end times.

Posted by: Trunk Monkey at March 01, 2015 02:54 PM (fLKzW)

273 266

Sorry. I guess I should read all the comments first.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 01, 2015 02:55 PM (wVWRM)

274 My Israeli friends, you have nothing to fear with Obama as president.

Posted by: John McCain, Card Carring Maverick at March 01, 2015 02:56 PM (WGm5T)

275 ok @ the weeklystandard aslo has it. sept 19 2009

with the Daily Beast (presumably little noticed because serious people don't read the Daily Beast), Zbigniew Brzezinski suggests that Barack Obama do more than just refuse to support an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear sites -- the American president must give the order to shoot down Israeli aircraft as they cross Iraqi airspace:

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2015 02:58 PM (nqBYe)

276 >>>Yes, Abe Vigoda is still alive and today is his birthday. He is 94.

Posted by: Vic at March 01, 2015 02:54 PM (wlDny)<<<

Sorry about all those guests at my b-day party spilling onto to your lawn, Mr. Vic.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at March 01, 2015 03:00 PM (OVx7B)

277 "So Pvt. Last-Class Bartholomew Q. Grunt is going to get court-martialed if he delays pulling that trigger."

Unless you are LGBT. Then they give you free shit and are a hero to the 52%.

Posted by: Chelsey Manning at March 01, 2015 03:00 PM (WGm5T)

278 Global warming update for PA and NJ morons -- expect a quarter inch of ice followed by an inch of snow tonight. The roads are now pathetic and gonna get worse.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 01, 2015 03:02 PM (zxQ4h)

279 Yet no one mentions that a US shootdown of another country's aircraft would be an act of war.

Funny how everything Bush did was one, but not for this prick.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 01, 2015 03:06 PM (MMC8r)

280 OT but you know one thing we fail to mention is that the radical left has access to every bit of information at the federal level! Yikes!!!!

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 01, 2015 03:09 PM (XYKz+)

281 How out of touch is The Boston Globe?

http://tinyurl.com/oannfz5

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 01, 2015 03:10 PM (LImiJ)

282 I wonder if the news of shooting down of planes wasn't leaked to get out in front of Bibi.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 01, 2015 02:48 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Bibi came in on Tuesday to say that a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel that cannot be permitted to continue, and that if Obama feels like he needs to engage the IDF, then so be it. Fight's on MF'er.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 01, 2015 03:11 PM (60Vyp)

283 For reasons I can't quite explain I decided to watch "Inconvenient Truth" last night and checked it out of the library. As expected it was a load of emotionally driven eco-BS filled with half truths, distortion and some outright lies. Slick presentation so I can see why all the good little libs in the audience were fooled. But really, this propaganda flick is helping push us over the edge andmillions think it is hard science . I almost feel sorry for the young libs in those audiences that have been and will be supporting, voting for and getting ever more, biger govt . more taxes and less freedom and prosperity. Almost.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 01, 2015 03:14 PM (1BQGO)

284 Rand Paul people might want to reconsider their victory parties.

----

We'll never reconsider our stance on anything!

Wait, that came out wrong....

Posted by: Die-hard Paulite at March 01, 2015 03:20 PM (MYPM9)

285 >>I wouldn't be surprised if Bibi came in on Tuesday to say that a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel that cannot be permitted to continue, and that if Obama feels like he needs to engage the IDF, then so be it. Fight's on MF'er.

If he has any confirming evidence of the supposed secret nuclear facility in Iran that the Iranian resistance group has been talking about I hope he releases it. That would be explosive.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2015 03:22 PM (g1DWB)

286 Man, I thought this was a gaming thread for the best FPS ever. Bummer.

Posted by: LIV at March 01, 2015 03:25 PM (MYPM9)

287 It would be extremely interesting if the IAF got the order to strike Iran, and Obama ordered the USAF to engage them.

USAF have not fought a genuine peer adversary air to air in many decades' time. And Israel is a peer adversary plus plus. Israeli pilots are superb; they regularly scare their American counterparts at events like Red Flag. Israeli electronic warfare is probably superior to American EW at crunch time.

The total joke of the F-35 notwithstanding, the only American air asset that the IAF would have serious difficulty in countering would be the F-22 Raptor. It would be very interesting indeed to see what present Raptor deployment dispositions looked like.

Note also that the Israelis have capabilities that could simply remove American air assets from the impending fight. Stealth cruise missiles with runway-cratering munitions, for one. No roll, no fly.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 03:26 PM (noWW6)

288 OT but you know one thing we fail to mention is that the radical left has access to every bit of information at the federal level! Yikes!!!!
Posted by: Regular Guy at March 01, 2015 03:09 PM (XYKz+)

Liar !!

Posted by: Lois Learner at March 01, 2015 03:26 PM (pIhxB)

289 O.T Live video cam of a four week old bear cub. He and his brother were orphaned after a hunter stumbled on a ground den and the hunter defended himself. from the mother The brother bear died while he was being cared for but this one os still going strong. The wildlife rehabilitation area is in an the area of NJ which I consider part of my stomping grounds but I usually don't stomp near bears. :^)

http://tinyurl.com/mextxj2

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 01, 2015 03:27 PM (DXzRD)

290 I wish there were a way to get this information to LIVs. But burying heads in sand and pulling the lever for whomever NBC says to is so much easier.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 01, 2015 03:27 PM (MYPM9)

291 246
Yes, because things were going so well for liberties and freedoms in this country before Obama showed up. Positively paradisiacal.

I especially liked Obama's Republican predecessor and the Republican Congress telling me that as a member of the serf class, I was no longer to be trusted with decisions involving light bulbs or gasoline. Yeah, that's "freedom", baby. Taste it!

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 02:13 PM (noWW6)

George Wallace's 1963 inaugural address will knock your socks off.

https://tinyurl.com/cwv7kkp

He seemed to have some inkling about the danger of centralized government, and he explicitly invoked the menace of Communism. But, oh noes, he was an eeeeebil white racist!!!11!!!

It is terrifying to think of how far we have fallen since then. And not one of today's politicians will so much as utter the word "communism".

That is the most frightening thing of all.

Posted by: rickl at March 01, 2015 03:28 PM (sdi6R)

292 Is there a way President high Horse can just executive an order not allowing Bibi to speak? I know the invitation was issued by Congress but Obama doesn't give a darn about Congress apparently.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 01, 2015 03:30 PM (DXzRD)

293 "Is there a way President high Horse can just executive an order not allowing Bibi to speak? I know the invitation was issued by Congress but Obama doesn't give a darn about Congress apparently."

I suspect that any such order would go rocket-docket up to the SCOTUS and be emergency stayed once there.

It would just be too much of an infringement upon separation of powers even for the most liberal Justices to be able to stomach.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2015 03:33 PM (noWW6)

294 This Iranian stuff is alarming.

This could start a nuclear war.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 01, 2015 03:34 PM (oFCZn)

295 >>Is there a way President high Horse can just executive an order not allowing Bibi to speak? I know the invitation was issued by Congress but Obama doesn't give a darn about Congress apparently.

I don't know how Obama would even try and justify issuing an EO that tried to limit the actions of an equal body of government.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2015 03:36 PM (g1DWB)

296 Unfortunately we may find out how that would work within the next two years or so. Idf not about this than about something else. Not that he would justify-just that he would do it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 01, 2015 03:38 PM (DXzRD)

297 Or EO it so that no networks cover it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 01, 2015 03:39 PM (DXzRD)

298 >>I don't know how Obama would even try and justify issuing an EO that tried to limit the actions of an equal body of government.

Posted by: JackStraw

That's the point. He wouldn't even try to justify it. He just does what he wants to do now.

Posted by: Aviator at March 01, 2015 03:39 PM (sQzB6)

299 Is there a way President high Horse can just executive an order

Why would he bother? Bibi could give a deluxe PowerPoint of just what a SCOAMT TFG is complete with video evidence of Stuttering, Clusterfucking and Miserable Traitoring and nothing would change.

Posted by: DaveA at March 01, 2015 03:41 PM (DL2i+)

300 Even if the news re: Israel/ Iran/ JEF is not true, I think it's a good thing.

Perhaps just the suspicion it is true will cause some of The Juice with $$$ to lean on the JEF to support Israel more.

/trying desperately to look for a silver lining here.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 01, 2015 03:43 PM (32zvW)

301 Or EO it so that no networks cover it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 01, 2015 03:39

There could be no clearer declaration of intent than that. May as well just say that America as we know it has ended and the Obama admin is in charge.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 01, 2015 03:43 PM (60Vyp)

302 That's the point. He wouldn't even try to justify it. He just does what he wants to do now.
Posted by: Aviator at March 01, 2015 03:39 PM (sQzB6)

If you demand justification then your are a hatey racist.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2015 03:46 PM (W5DcG)

303 so the administrations rebuttal is

arguing that he has failed to present a feasible alternative to American proposals for constraining
@drudge

what wasn't feasible about taking out their prgrams way back in 2010?

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2015 03:46 PM (nqBYe)

304 @ 300- True or not there are alot of little flunkies running around the WH press room with damage control being screamed in their ear.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2015 03:50 PM (zRCkz)

305 I'm hungover and drunk right now. Hair o'the dog. So your take on what I am about to proclaim should be tinged with that in mind.

We're so fucked in so many ways. By 'we' I mean flyover country bumpkins and even the pathetic E-W Coastals that are innudating my beloved Republic of Texas (I don't fucking like you-at all-as a demographic but personally -one to one-I don't like/hate you more than I would a normal person and btw, please leave).

Anyway, we elect these pillars of our community and give them the largest numbers in 3 gdamn generations and they're standing around with their dicks in their hands. One might say,"Well how much can expect from anyone stupid enough to run for a public office?" And here we is.

But more to the point I am concerned with is that I want Texas to secede. I'm not talking about a violent secession, Keep in mind Texas is a STATE in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. We should just say adios America, it's not about you, we're going through some changes and remaining to be a proud part the USA isn't part of the equation anymore. USA, don't go away mad, just go away.

Oh, that thing about breaking California into 4 states - bad fucking idea. California is lost for the next century. Containment. Because Democrats/Progs/Hollywood.

And now I will watch 'Aces High' on Netflix. In advance, thank you and/or fuck off.

Posted by: cOZmARK at March 01, 2015 05:17 PM (B9U+V)

306 Posted by: cOZmARK

*slow clap*

My daydream involves ALL of the states seceding at once.

I see TFG and all his pals standing on the capitol steps, watching as everybody else leaves them behind. Buh-bye azzh*les!

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at March 01, 2015 06:31 PM (rhjQp)

307 That's even better than I had imagined. Then Texas could invade New Mexico(which is mainly populated by former Texans who don't like Texans). We'll show them.

Oklahoma could then invade Texas, and no one would care since Oklahoma is pretty much North Dallas anyway. But, we'd have to build a sort of Great Wall to keep out those Arkies and CoonAsses to the East. Fuckin barbarians.

Posted by: cOZmARK at March 01, 2015 07:49 PM (B9U+V)

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