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NRO: The Mike Lee/Marco Rubio Tax Plan Jacks Taxes Up In Order to Bribe Families With Large Child Tax Credits
The child tax credit may be nice, but it's expensive, and Rubio and Lee have a not-very-Republican way of paying for it: jacking up income tax rates.
The top rate, they would lower, but only down to 35% from the current 40%. But that's not the worrisome part. The worrisome part is at the very low level of income at which people may be forced to start paying this tippy-top marginal tax rate, based on Lee's prior proposed tax schemes:The Rubio-Lee mystery isn’t easy to solve because the full tax plan isn’t available yet. And the mystery only deepens when you scrutinize the numbers in a previous version of the plan, the one Senator Lee put forward as legislation in 2014 ("The Family Fairness and Opportunity Tax Reform Act"). That plan would have the troublingly high rate of 35 percent kick in at $87,850 in taxable income for singles and $175,700 for married couples. Currently the 35 percent threshold is crossed only when a couple has taxable income of $405,100. In other words, Lee and Rubio may be thinking of putting a successful single nurse in the top income-tax bracket.They would also cap the mortgage-deduction to mortgages of $300,000 or less. This debate gets at a serious schism in the party. Many thoughtful Republicans say that the GOP has nothing to offer downscale voters, economically, and often call for increased child tax credits as a bit of a GOP subsidy to such people. The trouble is, as this NRO notes, you can never outbid the Democrats when it comes to showering Other People's Money on voters. And furthermore, while it's certainly part of the conservative agenda to be "family friendly," it's also a major part of the conservative agenda that we do not redistribute money. And make no mistake, this is a redistribution-of-wealth tax plan, though money will be redistributed evenly between Obama voters and non-Obama voters, unlike the typical Obama redistribution scheme consisting of redistributing money only to his constituents. I dunno. This is a major philosophical debate here. I think I'm against large cash gifts from the government to the citizens, even if the citizens in question represent what are ideologically taken to be worthy recipients of such largesse.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Ever at February 02, 2015 04:12 PM (hRV3r)
Can we not just cut the size of the federal government by at least 20% and go to a damned flat tax?!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:13 PM (CMkNk)
Remove millions more from tax payrolls with the child tax credit, tax the upper middle class into oblivion and decimate the house market over $300K.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:13 PM (0LHZx)
Sorry, Maury was on....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at February 02, 2015 04:13 PM (AC0lD)
A platform of shrinking/dismantling most of the Federal government and restoring the 9th and 10th amendments.
They call it Federalism, I'm told.
Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:13 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Michael Moore at February 02, 2015 04:14 PM (FHh8u)
Posted by: brak at February 02, 2015 04:14 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:14 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:14 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: RolandTHTG at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (QM5S2)
WTH happened to Lee?
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (ULi11)
Well, as in a broken clock being right twice a day, the cow pie is right on this.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Garrett at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (lq9ci)
large cash gifts from the government to the citizens, even if the
citizens in question represent what are ideologically taken to be worthy
recipients of such largesse.
Yeah, this along with a big "no" to government mandated maternity/paternity leave which has the same effect on one's salary and benefits.
Stop with the broken window theory of generating business-type shenanigans - it's all just moving money around and pretending "it's a bonus!!"
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (ABcz/)
For some it's not but because it's a credit and not a deduction, if you don't have a tax liability, you get a check from the government for this amount. So yeah, for many it's a subsidy.
Posted by: DrewM. at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (8dNrT)
So now we have two parties
One party wants to tax and spend and do it in a churchy way.
The other party wants to tax and spend and do it in a social justice-y way.
I hate the fucking country.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (0LHZx)
flat tax
(yeah it will never happen)
Posted by: brak at February 02, 2015 04:14 PM (Tj+s6)
Way to add insult to injury.
Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (FHh8u)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (IXrOn)
WTH happened to Lee?
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (sj3Ax)
Well, he's playing up to the soon to be legal polygamist families with 17 bazillion kids.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: kid from the Nationwide commercial at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (f8y+G)
Instead of jacking up our taxes to give us our own money back, how about we come up with a tax system that actually makes sense and do away with the ridiculous notion of progressive taxation all together?
Nah, can't have that. We should make things more complicated because the IRS is our friend that serves our interests so well.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 02, 2015 04:16 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (kff5f)
Wow.... talk about government speak...
Because what it does is say that Families, which use MORE Government resources by having children... would pay LESS in Taxes...
So those who use more... pay less...
The very definition of PROGRWSSIVE Fairness...
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Chunk at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Soothsayer at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (kgXbV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Y-not at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (aqric)
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (scgac)
I smell the influence of the RNCe here. I am done with Republicans.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (zauWW)
Only if you believe that money is really the Government's.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (W5DcG)
Campaign slogan for the GOP candidates in 2016, "We're just like the democrats only better." Outcome yet to be determined.
Posted by: Slow Fester, apprentice fry cook at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (lMzso)
Posted by: Hairy Reed (D) Mentia at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Soothsayer at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (kgXbV)
if the citizens in question represent what are ideologically taken to be worthy recipients of such largesse
That is just wrong. Your life choices shouldn't be paid for by other people. If you can't afford to have kids, don't have kids.
Otherwise, I should agitate for my hookers and booze lifestyle to be subsidized by the taxpayers. Think of it as a jobs program for hookers, distilleries, wineries, and breweries.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 02, 2015 04:19 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:19 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:18 PM (0LHZx)
Agreeing with MooMoo. You know what that means?
Burn it all down.
Posted by: HoboJerk, Comrade Moron at February 02, 2015 04:19 PM (FA3Z7)
I smell the influence of the RNCe here. I am done with Republicans.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:17 PM (wlDny)
The guy has had a consistent and deserved "A" rating from Conservative Review.
Mike Lee is also under serious threat from Orrin Hatch and Team Mitt (yeah, that nice guy who bowed out) to be unseated and replaced by an establishmentarian.
Maybe he's preemptively going RINO-lite? Still, why?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (evdj2)
What's the likelihood of this passing?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 02, 2015 04:19 PM (1hM1d)
____________
A-FUCKING-MEN!!
It's welfare for people who don't like the world welfare.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Bronco Bama at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: Moo West at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (lq9ci)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (CMkNk)
Ditto for health insurance. The HHS mandated coverage for all kinds of things like birth control and pediatric dentistry - even for single men and seniors - is nuts.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Hairy Reed (D) Mentia at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (0HooB)
This is BS too. The home deduction already penalizes people in some States, this will make it worse.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (wlDny)
I know Huntsman Sr. is basically head of Utah GOP & hates Lee. I wish I could remember where I read it.
Maybe a link from Mark Levin show?
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (sj3Ax)
http://tinyurl.com/prg6eq4
I think Shlaes/Denhart get the better of it, though. When you start by adopting the other sides premises, you've already lost. Odd to see Lee in on this; I'd like to see a response from him.
Posted by: duke at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (ChY2Q)
This reminds me of the 'solutions' to AIDS.
-- More funding for research for a cure
--Raise awareness...for more funding
-- "Educate" the public
All that bullshit above instead of the simplest, most practical solution to AIDS.
Posted by: Soothsayer at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (kgXbV)
Only if you believe that money is really the Government's."
Exactly.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (Rx8ML)
Use the blanket to smother the bastards.
And I mean "bastards."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (CMkNk)
See #22.
I was serious.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (/GgDU)
Only 25 more years to work to possibly hit that number...
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (dgQST)
What's the likelihood of this passing?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (dFi94)
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Pretty good. Democrats will be all over it. It could be one of these things that gets 90% Dem support and 30% Republican support, which is enough to pass.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Kreplach at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (DDFkt)
Vote for me, and it'll happen.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at February 02, 2015 04:22 PM (iIzG7)
Yeah about that......
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That was me. I don't think this plan is going anywhere. Not the raising of rates part. There isn't much left for the GOP to argue on taxes. Most people already pay a low rate, so the GOP can't promote lower rates anymore - other than on the corporate side.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:22 PM (gmeXX)
Eh... that may be harsh. We are talking about a Credit and not a Deduction, but still- I'm always in favor of putting money back into people's hands- liberating as much of it from the Government as is possible.
I am *not* in favor of raising taxes. The government already has too much money- they just spend yet too much more than that.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:22 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: DocJ at February 02, 2015 04:22 PM (0RQVM)
Posted by: spypeach at February 02, 2015 04:22 PM (/vbEv)
Terrific. That should play well all over the land.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:20 PM (CMkNk)
See #22.
I was serious.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (/GgDU)
I laughed, I cried.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (CMkNk)
At least it would destroy the housing market in more or less blue areas, so there's that.
Waitaf*cking minute - I just put an offer in on a house that is WAY more than that. This would seriously change the calculus.
I have to say that this is some sort of kabuki - it is not a serious proposal.
Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (8Kv96)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (8Kv96)
Posted by: DrewM. at February 02, 2015 04:15 PM (8dNrT)
Ding ding ding ding ding! I would be OK if the child tax credit could only be used to zero out your tax liability, but that's it.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (DT3rQ)
Exactly - ABC: Abstinence, Be faithful, and Condoms.
Whaaaat - change your own behavior/act more responsibly???
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (CMkNk)
College is $4k in 1990.
Posted by: joe dagostino at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (5vRRq)
Actually, they're talking about lowering the current top rate (so not "raising rates,") but also lowering the threshold for that top rate (thus increasing the number of people who would pay it).
Which sucks, it just sucks in a way that's harder to explain.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:24 PM (kff5f)
like birth control and pediatric dentistry - even for single men and
seniors - is nuts.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2015 04:21 PM (ABcz/)
Yep. I'm being forced to pay for maternity care, pediatric dentistry (for my 25 year old) and birth control.
And it's a *bargain* at $975/month.
*rage headache*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:24 PM (FsuaD)
Mike Lee is also under serious threat from Orrin Hatch and Team Mitt (yeah, that nice guy who bowed out) to be unseated and replaced by an establishmentarian.
Maybe he's preemptively going RINO-lite? Still, why?
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He is under pretty constant attack from the GOPe here in Utah.
The only thing that surprised me was that this proposal (and his higher ed proposal, which is also severely flawed) flew under the radar for over a year.
Posted by: Y-not at February 02, 2015 04:24 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Squirrel at February 02, 2015 04:24 PM (sUh98)
Did someone just say "large ass"?
I thought this was a politics blog.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2015 04:25 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Hairy Reed (D) Mentia at February 02, 2015 04:25 PM (0HooB)
True catastrophic insurance being mandatory for children before they're born makes some sense. Not the kids' fault, and once they become adults they can begin paying for their own.
If their dumb parents don't insure them, they can be stuck a lifetime with chronic issues they can't pay for.
Posted by: HoboJerk, Comrade Moron at February 02, 2015 04:25 PM (FA3Z7)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (8Kv96)
In Alexandria, VA $300,000K will get you an "OK" sorta 1 bedroom condo.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:26 PM (V+kmg)
Social Security relies on future generations to pay for you.
Don't have kids? Well, essentially you're skipping on one of the ways to keep the system afloat.
Thus, we really should be taxing the childless at higher rates...and they won't miss it because they have a ton of leisure time and extra cash.
But they will demand the same SS payment. They will demand that when they have no assets on go on Medicaid for their old folks home that we have young people willing to wipe their bum at taxpayer expense.
They will also benefit from any discoveries from someone else's children. Yes, while you were raising the cancer researcher, they were doing shots in Cabo.
so, yeah, they can pay a little more in taxes and its not the end of the world as we know it.
Also, 300k and up housing = blue states.
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:26 PM (dZQh7)
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On the other hand, kids are very important part of the whole thing. Without kids, the whole edifice will come crashing down as no new workers enter the system. You want to encourage people to look beyond their immediate self-gratification, and have kids.
Whether this is the proper way to go about that is up for debate. But using at least some resources to encourage people to raise kids is a good long-term investment on the part of the government.
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:26 PM (UWFpX)
Boy, if Mike Lee read these comments . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (CMkNk
Well, he's been in Washington DC, 4 years now? That's enough time to lose your conscience and balls. Time to worry about reelection rather than what is right and good for the country.
Oh. And Rubio, why don't you try drinking another bottle of water.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:27 PM (/GgDU)
Which sucks, it just sucks in a way that's harder to explain.
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The low hanging fruit on tax reform has already been picked. If I were the GOP I would work on lowering of the corporate rate and lowering of FICA rates. The problem is that a lot of voters no longer pay any FICA taxes and any cut there would be perceived as a cut to SS.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:27 PM (gmeXX)
As is what happens with all Ponzi schemes, eventually.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 02, 2015 04:27 PM (2Ojst)
You heard it too. That a Romney kid wants the senate seat & Levin said early last year he'd personally go campaign for Lee.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (sj3Ax)
makes no diff, Obastard has the veto.
Which begs the question, why not promote a flat tax?.... its conservative, fair, easy to explain.... no twisting and turning and picking winners and losers. But alas, no.
Posted by: Ehhh.. at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (t9re5)
Single earner making $1M will get a $25,000 tax cut.
Today's GOP ladies and gentlemen.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (0LHZx)
I thought this was a politics blog.
Posted by: zombie
Mooch's. Still within boundaries.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (dgQST)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (evdj2)
...then we can all join in and fuck our way to prosperity.
Posted by: Garrett at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (lq9ci)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (84SRe)
Which demographic does he think he'll get more votes from with this plan?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: bergerbilder at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (2o6Wj)
Posted by: Y-not at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (9BRsg)
Better, though, is a flat tax, and cut the budget.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:28 PM (kff5f)
Because a house over $300k is solely the province of the affluent. These assholes area seriously out-of-touch.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 02, 2015 04:23 PM (8Kv96)
I have some news for you, even here in the South a $300K house is pretty close to the norm now. And it will not be long before it is low thanks to Obamabucks being worthless.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:29 PM (wlDny)
Look south. They are a-coming.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:29 PM (dgQST)
Not gonna happen.
I'm happy today, and you can't change that.
Posted by: shredded chi at February 02, 2015 04:29 PM (j2epx)
Um, this childless person sure as hell doesn't have extra cash, which coincidentally enough is why I also don't have a kid.
Posted by: tdpwells at February 02, 2015 04:29 PM (lAnlM)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015
Woot, Woot!!!!
Me and cow pie boi will be in the same tax and dry cleaning bracket.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:29 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (nRvEn)
That's called "charity," and government doesn't need to stick its grubby fingers into that for it to work. Americans are the most charitable people on the planet.
There's not a law in this country preventing people from writing a check for causes like that, and many do, and if the tax burden were relieved, I firmly believe that more would. What's a mortal sin is using the force of government to require others to pony up involuntarily. Free men and women have all the right in the world to spend their money however they see fit, and no moral right to make that decision for their neighbors.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (0LHZx)
Not gonna happen.
I'm happy today, and you can't change that.
Posted by: shredded chi at Feb
You have puppeh.
Tucker give Daddy a big wet kiss.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (nRvEn)
You say that like it's a bad thing!
Posted by: U.S. Chamber of Commerce at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (V+kmg)
It's beyond a truism that businesses don't pay taxes, customers and shareholders do.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (8Kv96)
Posted by: maddogg at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: despair at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (dcY7v)
Still want to know why I have to pay for other people's kids and, yes, that includes tax credits for them.
Snark aside, I have some limited approval of child tax credits because, hey, the next generation has to come from somewhere (other than me) and since a tax code beyond a pure flat tax will be necessarily be awarding and penalizing behavior, using it to say have kids is pretty much the least awful use.
Hmmm. Maybe at least this plan is honest about what it will take to fund things on a realistic basis?
Yeah. I got nothing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (mf5HN)
Poor people should pay more taxes.
I already have to pay a shitload of property taxes for schools and I don't even have kids.
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (6/J77)
Also, a large part of our government is based on future generations making sacrifices for the last one. If you don't produce another producer...
I'm sure some heads here will explode.
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (0LHZx)
Then you have to reflect on what type of contorted ideology would come up with this shell game.
This is what I mean by a lack of defined principles or at least an adherence to them. If you goal is to let the free market work, to give people the dignity of a job, to have them reach a better life by being self-sufficient- what the hell are you doing doling out money to people who don't need it?
Why pledge "fiscal responsibility", throw that term around gratuitously like it really means something to you, then grab the last car on the 5:30 train to fiscal trainwreck. That's hypocrisy and it's what the GOP has become. A bunch of hypocrites who have no idea what they stand for. They just throw around a bunch of terms they believe are sonorous to the voters. Then completely ignore them.
Oh yes, and then when you point it out they point and scream- "Apostate!"
This is what people hate. They give people like Rubio a second chance and then he gives you the shaft.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: spypeach at February 02, 2015 04:32 PM (/vbEv)
If their dumb parents don't insure them, they can be stuck a lifetime with chronic issues they can't pay for.
A government which has the authority to mandate insurance for anyone has the authority to mandate insurance for everyone.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:32 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Yip at February 02, 2015 04:32 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: Ron Paul Instatute at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (I7upL)
Posted by: spypeach at February 02, 2015 04:32 PM (/vbEv)
That's not a bug, it's a feature!
Posted by: Emperor Barack I at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (V+kmg)
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/child-tax-credit-fraud-113425.html
Posted by: joe dagostino at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (5vRRq)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Herman Cain at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (16bOT)
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Beyond the political element, so what? By your logic, businesses should pay a higher tax rate than individuals.
I support a 0% corporate income tax rate. It would render you deduction issue moot.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (gmeXX)
Why not? That's what the illegals are doing with the EIC and the IRS never bothers them. Oh, wait. One problem for you...
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (1BQGO)
I've been making something of a hobby of late out of flogging dead horses, and that's another one.
Republicans never learn to respond competently to Democratic demands for increased taxes.
First off, Republicans always offer up immediate tax hikes for phantom "future" spending cuts that never happen. Reagan got rolled this way, then Poppy Bush likewise, and right on down to the crying drunk John Boehner.
Second, when it is demanded of Republicans that they put tax hikes on the table during negotiations, they never figure out that there are extremely obvious targets for this which will end up boning primarily Democratic constituencies.
The mortgage interest tax break is one of those. Its benefits redound overwhelmingly to just two states: New Pork and Commiefornia. Neither of which have any meaningful level of Republican officeholders.
So while the child tax credit stuff is bunk, the idea of proposing to get rid entirely of the mortgage interest tax deduction has substantial validity. It would utterly bedevil Democrats in two key deeply liberal states. It'll kill them financially if they vote for it, and it'll make them look like utter hypocrites if they vote against it.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (noWW6)
My husband and I couldn't really afford to have kids so we didn't. I object having to subsidize other people having them.
Posted by: elaine at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (Y0Piu)
Don't have kids? Well, essentially you're skipping on one of the ways to keep the system afloat.
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Yeah. Can you say 55 million abortions in the US since Roe v Wade? Pretty short sighted you say?
Posted by: Old Blue at February 02, 2015 04:34 PM (vVSOO)
You suck and have no idea what regular, hard working people need. Fuckheads.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 02, 2015 04:34 PM (GGCsk)
I wonder why?
Is that city close to some special location where all my tax dollars flow?
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (dZQh7)
I wonder why?
Is that city close to some special location where all my tax dollars flow?
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: Free Shit Army at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (W6iIX)
Did you read late late last night that I was cleaning out my email box?
For some stupid reason, your last message was in my junk mail folder - ?!?!
Sorry for missing it!
If I had your IRL address, I'd send Dreamer & friends treats.
Posted by: shredded chi at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (j2epx)
Yeah. I got nothing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015
Alex should become a Mommy.
(runs, runs like the wind)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (/GgDU)
However, since most of what our government does wrt to families is to encourage single parents with tons of children growing up in broken homes to be dependent wards of the state, while simultaneously importing millions of ready-made yoots from waaay down South, I'm not convinced that the money spent on this is productive. Increasing cash transfers to the infamous (and very real) welfare queens at the expense of people that are in the "middle class" band doesn't seem to be encouraging the things we want to encourage.
I realize that there's a whole segment that benefits from this that isn't composed of welfare queens, but forcing people to subsidize your children at ever greater proportions seems wrong.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (xSCb6)
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I'm not talking Social Security. I'm talking about the entire country. The whole edifice, from top to bottom, relies on new workers entering into the system to replace the ones leaving it.
You think 40 year old men want to work minimum wage jobs? Or even jobs that pay slightly more than minimum wage? Those are supposed to be starter jobs for people who don't have much job experience, and not jobs for people who are roughly half-way to retirement. The only other way to fill those slots is with immigration. And Europe is providing a great example of why that much immigration is a really bad idea.
Ergo, no new kids, and the country will collapse. Social Security is only a small part of it.
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (UWFpX)
Oh great, lets screw over single people again. That puts me dangerously close to those top tax rates, actually. Crazy. And people with kids, particularly with low incomes, are making a mint. Having lots of kids means tax credits of 8k or more! Insane.
This one though I'm kind of on the fence about: "They would also cap the mortgage-deduction to mortgages of $300,000 or less." 300k might be a bit low, but if they put that at 400 or 500 I wouldn't object too loudly.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2015 04:36 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Chris not rock at February 02, 2015 04:36 PM (VUNNp)
Didnt see that Chi. I passed out early last night.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:36 PM (/GgDU)
The suburbs of Atlanta is a good example, (suburbs not city) are some of the most conservative voters in the country. And those are upper middle class peeps with homes well over $300K.
Lotsa $500K+ homes in Phoenix too, in the deep red parts of town.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:36 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:33 PM (gmeXX)
What? And have them up dividends and increase investment and hire more employees and immediately repatriate that $2T that's overseas?
You really are a racist.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2015 04:36 PM (Zu3d9)
I'm going to do some thing productive.
I also don't want to see the 5:30 troll.
I thought I posted to wrong thread last night when I saw it there.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2015 04:36 PM (sj3Ax)
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At this point, spending cuts is where the focus should be. The easy tax reform has been done. Now, all you get are proposals like these - that few understand.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (gmeXX)
why haven't we ever tried that before?
i mean, it's such a conservative idea that the GOPe is bound to sweep the 2016 elections with that as the main platform plank....
Happy Days Are Here Again!!!
fing idiots, all the way down.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (yi8ar)
source with no credits and no deductions. I would put it at between 8
and 10%. I would not tax interest, dividends, or savings. I would tax
capitol gains at that same rate.
And the ~50% who end up paying no taxes (reimbursed for all or more of what they were taxed) would FREAK OUT. So no one wants to do that.
Even though it is exactly what we need to "raise awareness" (heh) that the government spends too much money.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (ABcz/)
Progressive taxation is an invention of the Devil.
Under the deception of fairness.
I hate the word 'fairness' more than any other word.
Posted by: Soothsayer at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (kgXbV)
Posted by: Ehhh.. at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (t9re5)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:32 PM (kff5f)
You're arguing like they don't effectively do already?
Posted by: HoboJerk, Comrade Moron at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (FA3Z7)
I dare you to go and see who is collecting it, and at the same time destroying the system. Democrats have turned it into a patronage system administered by local offices, especially in major metropolitan areas. They have lawyers and other leeches working together to get people into the system.
Meanwhile, our elderly who truly need it are going to pay the price.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (GGCsk)
Otherwise you are allowing businesses to take deductions while sticking it to individuals.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (nRvEn)
You say that like it's a bad thing!
Posted by: U.S. Chamber of Commerce at February 02, 2015 04:30 PM (V+kmg)
This is a really stupid idea. Businesses should only pay taxes on profits, not operating expenses.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (0LHZx)
I lost my job early 2014, laid off, got unemployment. I qualified for literally nothing else - no medicaid, no food stamps, nothing. But boy, if I'd had a kid, I'd have been sitting pretty.
Posted by: tdpwells at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (lAnlM)
Is that city close to some special location where all my tax dollars flow?
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (dZQh7)
It sure is.
And I think that people who just happen to live in the area and who don't work for the federal government should be fucked hard.
Don't you?
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (V+kmg)
Sure... Knife the people who are trying to be semi-successful.
Posted by: Patrick J. at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (Zxs9d)
I wonder why?
Is that city close to some special location where all my tax dollars flow?
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM
Where I live that would put you in Moos neighborhood.
Flat tax.
Flat tax.
Flat tax.
And enough of the earned income credit.
Its about time some of these people had skin in the game instead of hogging all the f*cking bandaids.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (/GgDU)
Also, a large part of our government is based on future generations making sacrifices for the last one. If you don't produce another producer...
I'm sure some heads here will explode.
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (dZQh7)
Bless your heart.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (mf5HN)
Even RVs are counted as "second homes" and you can deduct the interest on an RV loan.
Get rid of that bullshit before capping the amount at $300K.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (0LHZx)
Jeez. Come to Texas. 300 large will get you one hell of a big home.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:39 PM (dgQST)
The CTC doesn't do that, though. A Child Tax Deduction might, but since it's currently a tax credit, anyone who has kids can take it- meaning it does nothing to incentivize formation of a nuclear family, and nothing to disincentivize single-parenthood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:39 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (0LHZx)
I lost my job early 2014, laid off, got unemployment. I qualified for literally nothing else - no medicaid, no food stamps, nothing. But boy, if I'd had a kid, I'd have been sitting pretty.
Posted by: tdpwells at February 02, 2015 04:38 PM (lAnlM)
___________
I got young kids. I'll hit the jackpot.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:39 PM (0LHZx)
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I still have to ask why businesses should pay taxes at all.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:40 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 04:40 PM (I7upL)
And you know the link which followed that must be to Politico because it contains this howler:
"The inspector general took the IRS to task for not taking the potential fraud seriously, like it does with another popular credit program prone to abuse, the earned income tax credit."
The EITC is _absolutely rife_ with brazen fraud, and the IRS is doing essentially nothing to rein it in.
Over the last decade or so, the IRS by its own estimation has paid out over a hundred and ten billion bucks to fraudulent EITC filers. That is "taking the potential fraud seriously"? Perhaps in Beltway la-la land it is.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2015 04:40 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Ehhh.. at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (t9re5)
Math ever burnt stuff to the ground?
Posted by: Free Shit Army at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (W6iIX)
Anyone who says 'the state has interest' is.... making a very false argument.
States are not people... they are not thinking entities... they have no interests... they have powers and limitations placed on them by the people who created, and run them.
You mean that some people in power, have decided to use the power of the State, to forward THEIR ideas.
To equate the State with a person who can have interests, is to take control of said State, away from the people...
Which is EXACTLY what the Progressives have been trying to do, for the last 100 or so years... to convince us the Government is an entity unto itself, and is too large for its citizens to control.
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (FsuaD)
(runs, runs like the wind)
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I'm sure her kid or kids would love to go out for rides on the backs of The Ravage.
And Halloween costumes would be easy enough for any girls - lots of stompy boots!
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (Xrson)
Posted by: Ehhh.. at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (t9re5)
Posted by: Dang at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (MNq6o)
____________
WA state has a tax on gross receipts. So if you make $1M profit or you lose $1M you pay the same amount of tax.
And to make it even more fun, there are 40 or so categories of business with its own tax rate. And within those tax rates, it depends whether you sell the product/service in state or out of state.
Fun stuff.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: HoboJerk, Comrade Moron at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (FA3Z7)
I'm arguing they *shouldn't*. If you allow that they *should* have the authority to mandate insurance for young children, then you are arguing they *should* have the authority to mandate insurance for everyone.
I am arguing that no such authority should (or really does, John Roberts notwithstanding) does exist for the National government.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (UVfht)
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (6/J77)
Yeah, like we'd all live in a better society where everone is uneducated.
Posted by: bergerbilder at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (2o6Wj)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (FsuaD)
Will a Tourist Guide to Cuba suffice?
(runs, runs like the wind)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (/GgDU)
"Get your billions back America!"
-H & R Block
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (dgQST)
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (FsuaD)
No. The Eeyore Brigade has mandated that you'll have it their way. This isn't Burger King, Cupcake.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (Xrson)
got a little sister ?
Posted by: Lena Dunham at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (W6iIX)
The only "fair" tax is a tax on consumption, not income.
fairtax.org
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 02, 2015 04:43 PM (4gN5w)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:43 PM (dgQST)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's
Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (V+kmg)
*prepares to throatpunch*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:44 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:44 PM (FsuaD)
Pinot Grigio??
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:44 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:41 PM (FsuaD)
don't be ragin' be sockin !!
Posted by: Humongous, King of the Wasteland at February 02, 2015 04:44 PM (W6iIX)
The govt wants how much?
See themselves as more worthy than the great I AM, I reckon.
Posted by: teej at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (GVZIJ)
for all or more of what they were taxed) would FREAK OUT. So no one
wants to do that.
Even though it is exactly what we need to "raise awareness" (heh) that the government spends too much money.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2015 04:37 PM (ABcz/)
Piss on them
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's
Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:44 PM (V+kmg)
*holds glass up to USB port* *glares*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (FsuaD)
Parents know this. You can pour 100% of your time, money, energy, etc. into your kids and they might still turn out to be shit piles.
This "If even one child..." crap has got to stop. It's unaffordable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (oFCZn)
Amazing how nobody ever learned to read, write or do basic math before the US of A invented "public" school.
Posted by: DocJ at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (0RQVM)
*Makes note to contact ad agency for revision*
Posted by: Nationwide at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: LibertarianJim at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (luj3F)
Posted by: J. Moses Browning at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (e4lOn)
Rape 'n Rage.
I don't think I can last another 2 years, let alone about another 30 to the end of my life.
Not with a country and world like this.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (CMkNk)
Grounding Day is running on AMC all day - guaranteed to put a smile on your face. Starts again in 1/2 hour, I think.
Vic, here in the southeast corner of VA, I'm taxed at a value of 1/4 million. A similar house just sold right around the corner for less than $135k - and that one is larger, recently remodeled, has central air that I don't. But, we have 7.1 miles of light rail that nobody wanted! And a mayor that puts DeBasio to shame...
Yay, taxes.
Posted by: shredded chi at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (j2epx)
Nota bene: the SSDI rolls began to explode at exactly the same time that Bill Clinton was purportedly "ending welfare as we have known it".
Purely by coincidence, you understand.
One in a million chance, doc, one in a million!
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (noWW6)
You mean that some people in power, have decided to use the power of the State, to forward THEIR ideas.
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You're being stupid. Whether it's intentional or due to ignorance, I can't tell.
The country - as a whole - MUST have successive generations to continue. This isn't a Social Security thing (though SS is heavily affected by it). This is a "The Country Will Cease To Exist If There Are No New Kids" thing.
And no, the result of the country ceasing to exist will not, in this instance, be a libertarian paradise.
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (UWFpX)
If you are making the decision to have kids, based on a Tax deduction.... I'm not so sure I want you raising kids anyway....
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (qh617)
Parents know this. You can pour 100% of your time, money, energy, etc. into your kids and they might still turn out to be shit piles.
This "If even one child..." crap has got to stop. It's unaffordable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (oFCZn)
Second look at Margaret Sanger?
Now I REALLY denounce myself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (CMkNk)
*raises hand*
I would like a Cupcake. Also a cupcake.
And some wine.
And this remote.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (mf5HN)
She had a hell of a time with Lehman and AIG in 2007-8, I can assure you.
Posted by: DocJ at February 02, 2015 04:47 PM (0RQVM)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2015 04:45 PM (oFCZn)
A graduate of teh Bo Pellini School of Teaching?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:47 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:47 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:39 PM (dgQST)
I know. I have a nephew in Houston who got a nice $2100 ft2 house for less than that.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:47 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: bergerbilder at February 02, 2015 04:42 PM (2o6Wj)
You just described my school district.
Posted by: tdpwells at February 02, 2015 04:47 PM (lAnlM)
Now I REALLY denounce myself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (CMkNk
JJ
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
Second look at Margaret Sanger?
Anal.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (dgQST)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (kff5f)
This is not showering cash on voters. This is letting them keep more - in some cases.
The problem is to offer this plan without spending cuts. It is the Actual Spending that is the showering of cash on voters that's a problem.
This plan isn't a good one, but the problem is where it raises taxes and where it doesn't cut spending.
You never should have to "pay for" tax cuts. That's the language of Democrats.
Posted by: PrincetonAl at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (pI6rf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (I7upL)
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Given how ridiculously expensive it is to raise a child to adulthood, every parent needs all the help that they can get.
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:35 PM (UWFpX)
we need, need immigration to save us
need it, all those immigrant will assimilate, promise
Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Lily at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (W1YW7)
http://tinyurl.com/lf34qhx
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (I7upL)
ALL THE GRABBY HANDS.
ALL OF THEM.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Fred Flintstone at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (e8kgV)
I would like a Cupcake. Also a cupcake.
And some wine.
And this remote.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (mf5HN)
Your wine, Empress.
If you will just come over here briefly, and stand on this Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness I will frost your cupcake.
#NotAEuphemism
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (W5DcG)
Monty said earlier today, the GOP is useless.
Posted by: Lily at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (W1YW7)
Worse than useless. Approaching "destructive."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (CMkNk)
Now I REALLY denounce myself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (CMkNk)
Lol I hope that doesn't sound like what I was advocating. It's not. It's the idea that every child will turn out to be a rockstar genius if only the government pours trillions of dollars into programs designed to make them gods on earth.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2015 04:50 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Roy at February 02, 2015 04:50 PM (fWLrt)
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
The owlets are due to hatch any time now.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:50 PM (FsuaD)
anyone who has kids can take it- meaning it does nothing to incentivize
formation of a nuclear family, and nothing to disincentivize
single-parenthood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
Agree. It ought to, though.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at February 02, 2015 04:50 PM (/Ho8c)
If you will just come over here briefly, and stand on this Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness I will frost your cupcake.
#NotAEuphemism
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (V+kmg)
*clambers and waits for it*
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (mf5HN)
Nothing lasts forever. For a company, 94 years is not too shabby.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (CMkNk)
10% income tax on all income...and the government lives within its means. This encourages the government to encourage growth.
Want to hamper the economy in the name of Gaia, well sorry the government is a little short this year because of your "good job"....and you are fired.
Less simple, more politically easy to implement....
Your taxes are divided by the number of children+spouse.
Have a 20k tax bill? Marry a stay at home wife, now its 10k. Have a couple of kids and now it is 5K.
On the dole? You get nothing. Getting the EITC? You get nothing.
This will encourage the middle class and up to start having kids. With serious, long term tax relief for starting up a family.
And you can pay for it by getting rid of HUD. The era of cities is ending, and we don't need it.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (5DM9u)
Wouldn't be quite so painful if said schools actually delivered economically useful education to other people's kids which would help those kids, as adults, live economically independent lives.
Instead those schools are just indoctrination centers which view their pupils as larval welfare-state participants to be guided out of the chrysalis into glorious and permanent dependency.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (noWW6)
If you will just come over here briefly, and stand on this Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness I will frost your cupcake.
#NotAEuphemism
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:49 PM (V+kmg
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (mf5HN)
Oh.
Oh my.
Lemme get my extra large pastry bag and decorative frosting tip.
BRB
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:51 PM (V+kmg)
I was thinking in terms of the types of people Sanger was trying to eliminate.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (CMkNk)
And just think I used the want to see my tape deck while I was in school. Cup cakes damn (palm to forehead)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (/GgDU)
http://tinyurl.com/lf34qhx
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (I7upL)
I don't know whether to be horrified or impressed.
I would like a Cupcake. Also a cupcake.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (mf5HN)
Note the capitalization folks. She's talking about two different things.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: The Zebra at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (W6iIX)
That's why I said a tax deduction might- insofar as married couples with children are generally more affluent than single persons with children- and therefore more likely to be able to take full advantage of a deduction.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (kff5f)
Ahhh... the you are stupid because I am too dumb to understand the point attack.
How.... predictable.
In a Free society, as the US was designed to be... its not up the government to pick winners or losers... and to say if the Government stops this unfair tax deduction people will stop having kids???
Flies in the face of human history.
Feel free to argue in your opinion the State should.... but when you speak FOR the State, and its wants and desires...
Well.... seems Kings used to speak that way....
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (qh617)
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (evdj2)
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Speaking of childrens' behinds, some of them can really pack a punch nowadays.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (5DM9u)
fairtax.org
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 02, 2015 04:43 PM (4gN5w)
I say no based on what has happened in Europe. FLAT tax on income only.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (wlDny)
"I already have to pay a shitload of property taxes for schools and I don't even have kids."
It also sucks ass to pay those taxes when you've sacrificed to send your kid to private school, so he can get an actual education and avoid government indoctrination.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 02, 2015 04:53 PM (8ZskC)
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Pretty much the story of our lives, here at the AoSHQ.
Posted by: Roy at February 02, 2015 04:53 PM (fWLrt)
fairtax.org
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 02, 2015 04:43 PM (4gN5w)
I say no based on what has happened in Europe. FLAT tax on income only.
Posted by: Vic at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (wlDny
I just dont have confidence in our politicians to repeal the income tax and enacting the fair tax. I'm with Vic on this one AJ
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:54 PM (/GgDU)
fairtax.org
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 02, 2015 04:43 PM (4gN5w)
I say no based on what has happened in Europe. FLAT tax on income only.
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I'd say either is an improvement on the current system.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:54 PM (gmeXX)
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Given how ridiculously expensive it is to raise a child to adulthood, every parent needs all the help that they can get.
Posted by: junior at February 02, 2015 04:48 PM (UWFpX)
Yeah... because I wouldn't know anything about that.... except for raising my Twins as a full time single parent, on a single income...
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (qh617)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 04:52 PM (evdj2)
There weren't enough hobbyists to support that model.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (W5DcG)
As for Rubio, do we really expect anything better by now?
Posted by: Elize Nayden at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (0MNag)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:54 PM (/GgDU)
Exactly right.
There would be insufficient opportunities for graft.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (/GgDU)
Whatever strategery Lee and Rubio have in mind - even if it is or at least they think it is good - it will be so utterly washed down, distorted and destroyed by the time it comes up for a vote. If it ever comes up for a vote.
Waste of time. Lee should be talking about cutting spending, paying down the debt and balancing the fucking budget, in between lambasting liberalism.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Harry Reid
That's why you have to get to them before their motor skills develop.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (GuwT9)
Yeah, I know, crazy idea.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (DT3rQ)
The advantage to a consumption tax is that it rewards savings.
We need more of both, but I think transparency is more important right now.
There are a lot of D voting LIVs that would probably change the way they vote if they knew how much they were currently paying in taxes.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (5DM9u)
Posted by: Harry Reid
That's why you have to get to them before their motor skills develop.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (GuwT9)
Some spanking show coming on. Awesome.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 02, 2015 04:54 PM (/GgDU)
Constitutional Amendment.... from the States...
Washington will never take themselves on the teet...
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (qh617)
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I agree with that.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah, probably they were doomed no matter what. Especially in the internet age.
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (Xrson)
First you are using the Left's terms by claiming that tax deductions are payments.
Second, you are paying for other people's kids. People are getting deductions for expenses. Kids/dependents are an expense. Under the current scheme a company's payroll is deductible from their income. Think of kids a family employees. I am open to doing away with both sets of deductions but not one or the other.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (nRvEn)
Yeah, like we'd all live in a better society where everone is uneducated.
**********
Even though I pay property taxes to educate these kids, many of them don't seem to be learning any damn thing...which is why you have teenagers using calculators to subtract 10 from 20.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: BB Wolf at February 02, 2015 04:46 PM (qh617)
Willingly and lovingly as gifts from God (and all that Catholic bs.)
Posted by: bergerbilder at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (2o6Wj)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (Xrson)
Posted by: The Left Shark at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (W6iIX)
Why, oh why, does not some conservative politician pick up the damn microphone and point out that every cent of tax that comes out of the economy damages it? *
It isn't called 'taxing' for no reason. It is a BURDEN on the economy, and should not be imposed except for, as has become popular to say, existential reasons.
That the money may be redistributed is nothing but feel-good rationalization. In the long run, such policy is counter productive, both socially and economically.
* If you immediately thought 'vote buying', then you may leave now and pick up your certificate at the door.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (/GgDU)
Yeah, probably they were doomed no matter what. Especially in the internet age.
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 04:56 PM (evdj2)
Too bad the "yoots" don't realize that intertubes don't just build themselves or come from the ass of unicorns.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:58 PM (CMkNk)
I was just starting to forget what a tool Rubio was in the "immigration
reform" debacle. This just reminded me why Rubio has burned all of his
credibility as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: Cicero
I haven't forgotten. When you're paying attention, it's painfully obvious as a political rehabilitation strategy unfolds. Subtle he is not.
I have no idea what he could have been thinking with this tax proposal, but I've thought very highly of Mike Lee thus far, so until I know more, I'll just shut my mouf.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2015 04:58 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 02, 2015 04:55 PM (W5DcG)
Yeah, Radio Shack was probably doomed, but they could have made a better go of it.
If they had turned themselves into the (retail model) GameStop of Computer/Electronics stores they might still be around. Most of GameStop's (retail store) revenue comes from the fact that Gramma and Grampa can get answers about what Jr. needs for his new game system.
If Radio Shack had done that for computers and electronics, they might still be around.
Or maybe not.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 04:58 PM (kff5f)
No transportation dollars from Uncle Sugar to any state that doesn't spend 100% of its gas taxes on roads.
The Democrats want to play with their choo choo trains? Fine. Pay for it.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 02, 2015 04:58 PM (5DM9u)
Here's the problem, folks.
Social Security relies on future generations to pay for you.
Don't have kids? Well, essentially you're skipping on one of the ways to keep the system afloat.
Thus, we really should be taxing the childless at higher rates...and
they won't miss it because they have a ton of leisure time and extra
cash.
But they will demand the same SS payment. They will demand that when
they have no assets on go on Medicaid for their old folks home that we
have young people willing to wipe their bum at taxpayer expense.
They will also benefit from any discoveries from someone else's
children. Yes, while you were raising the cancer researcher, they were
doing shots in Cabo.
so, yeah, they can pay a little more in taxes and its not the end of the world as we know it.
Also, 300k and up housing = blue states.
Posted by: sexypig
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Are you serious?
My wife and I ain't had a vacation in over two fucking years.
I pay a shitload in property taxes so somebody else's runt can pretend to some education.
I write several fucking checks to the fucking IRS every fucking year 'cause we're self-employed and have no kids.
And I ain't gonna get a fucking penny in SS back--there's no way in hell the math works, not a single "projection" shows it'll be solvent by the time I can retire.
Where's these fucking shots in Cabo I've been taking?
'Cause the only fucking shots I've been able to afford lately are the $3 Happy Hour at the local bar.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 02, 2015 04:58 PM (5yHi1)
Repeat after me: The opposite of "good teachers" is "union teachers".
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at February 02, 2015 04:59 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2015 04:57 PM (lIU4e)
Wait until they try subtracting 20 from 10.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 04:59 PM (CMkNk)
GT Advanced Technologies Inc. filed for bankruptcy protection in October after the supplier wasn't able to produce screens of usable quality at the Apple-owned factory in Mesa, near Phoenix. The smaller company wasn't able to fulfill the terms of an agreement with Apple.
The more than 1.3 million-square-foot building, which was once a solar-panel factory, was a key part of Apple's efforts to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. after years of relying on Asian suppliers to build the company's iPhones, iPads and Mac computers. While Apple had promised to bring jobs to the area even after the bankruptcy, the data center will probably employ fewer staff compared with an operation churning out components for iPhones.
Posted by: Kevin Bacon at February 02, 2015 04:59 PM (e8kgV)
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I beg to differ. It only makes good economic sense to leverage children.
Posted by: Boo Boo at February 02, 2015 04:59 PM (/GgDU)
A flat tax rate on income with no deductions for special people is the only 'fair' tax.
Posted by: Slow Fester, apprentice fry cook at February 02, 2015 04:59 PM (lMzso)
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2015 05:00 PM (go5uR)
I'd rather the Catholic model of it than the "trophies & tax deductions" model in vogue.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at February 02, 2015 05:00 PM (DT3rQ)
http://tinyurl.com/l93993x
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 05:00 PM (I7upL)
End withholding. Projected payments due every quarter. Final filing (and any outstanding payment) due April 15 (for previous year).
Millions of LIVs will realize how much of their money is being stolen from them, and will start demanding some of it back.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 05:01 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at February 02, 2015 05:00 PM (DT3rQ)
Word.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at February 02, 2015 05:01 PM (V+kmg)
Maybe he's preemptively going RINO-lite? Still, why?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Large Mormon families = lot's of child tax credits.
Bribing your voters with other people's money. It's a thing.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2015 05:02 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 05:01 PM (kff5f)
Yes, everyone should have some skin in the game!
Posted by: spypeach at February 02, 2015 05:02 PM (/vbEv)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2015 05:00 PM (I7upL)
When I first opened the link, I thought it was a giant, hairy spider. *whew*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 05:02 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Justamom's stealing hubby's pad at February 02, 2015 05:02 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: sexypig at February 02, 2015 04:26 PM (dZQh7)
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So you want to keep the SS, medicare, medicaid afloat? I want them to go away.
And I see you've taken Dear Leader's position the there's some people that are making enough money. They should "share" the rest. Well, fuck you and Ogumbe.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2015 05:02 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 02, 2015 05:02 PM (Xrson)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 02, 2015 05:03 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 02, 2015 05:04 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 05:04 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2015 05:04 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: jeannebodine at February 02, 2015 05:05 PM (ABQuZ)
They were doomed when tv's went from tube to solid state.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 05:05 PM (dgQST)
Posted by: Slow Fester
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I am inclined to agree. It has the added benefit of NOT requiring the repeal of the 16th, however much I would like to see it repealed. THAT is a potentially a nasty business with possibly dangerous consequences.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2015 05:05 PM (/GgDU)
If wine is exercise, I'm an ultramarathoner. Bring on the Jameson's.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Common Core Grad at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (lq9ci)
At least the oven is heating and the dough is rising. Almost time to prep the toppings and make the salad.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (CMkNk)
The best policy would be to eliminate ALL credits and deductions and simplify the system with lower rates.
SO, this Lee character is the "true conservative" hero, eh? ROFL.
Posted by: Adjoran at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (QIQ6j)
Apple
Posted by: Common Core Grad at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (lq9ci)
Cobbler
(**Steve McQueen with the M-3**)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (CMkNk)
They were doomed with the advent of universally accessible pron.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2015 05:07 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton
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* slips away, whistling softly *
Posted by: Injun Warren at February 02, 2015 05:07 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 05:07 PM (evdj2)
At least the oven is heating and the dough is rising. Almost time to prep the toppings and make the salad.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2015 05:06 PM (CMkNk)
Our wall oven has died. I want to replace it with a dual oven (with hopefully, the top oven able to convert to microwave when needed).
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 05:08 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: George Orwell at February 02, 2015 05:08 PM (W6iIX)
Time once again for the perennial suggestion to:
(a) Entirely end tax withholding,
(b) One lump sum of tax due per year,
(c) A short time before Election Day.
That ought to make things clear to even the lowest of LIVs.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2015 05:08 PM (noWW6)
What was it?
I can't remember....
Oh. Wait! Oh! YES ! TEA!. It was TEA!!!
Now if only I could remember what that stood for...It stood for something that really really made sense to me... Really appealed to my senses as a voter.
Posted by: Gunslinger at February 02, 2015 05:08 PM (4S7hN)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 02, 2015 05:09 PM (PhCVa)
Unless you're barren, then fuck you--your labors belong to the collective.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at February 02, 2015 05:09 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2015 05:09 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: Slow Fester, apprentice fry cook at February 02, 2015 05:09 PM (lMzso)
Posted by: Michael Moore at February 02, 2015 05:10 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Yip at February 02, 2015 05:10 PM (84SRe)
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Yes. The MSM haven't cranked up the slur/slander/bias machine yet.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2015 05:10 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: jim at February 02, 2015 05:10 PM (VwhRo)
Other than those 19 kids and counting folks who's gonna have more kids...... We all know..
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 02, 2015 05:11 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at February 02, 2015 05:11 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Yip
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Yes. That would do it.
But it ain't happening.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2015 05:11 PM (/GgDU)
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Hey man, when I'm breaking windows I'm creating economic activity!
Posted by: A mostly peaceful looter at February 02, 2015 05:12 PM (5DM9u)
Posted by: HR needs donuts at February 02, 2015 05:09 PM (ZKzrr)
You are aware there are tax credits for which I'm not eligible, yes? And deductions I don't get to take, too.
So I guess that's completely unfair. People are hating on me because I'm not poor. Or because I didn't move for work. Or whatever.
OR I can choose to see them as simply not applying to me, and not as some kind of personal insult.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 02, 2015 05:12 PM (kff5f)
Internet killed the VHS/DVD porn.
Can't wait for virtual porn to kill Internet porn.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 02, 2015 05:12 PM (Xrson)
Posted by: JEM at February 02, 2015 05:12 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: harry reid at February 02, 2015 05:13 PM (kxP8b)
Did you forget the part on how they plan to pay for it?
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 02, 2015 05:13 PM (Xrson)
Seems pretty enterprising. But in the New America where security trumps all else, a local resident called the police to report about the teens' "suspicious activity".
It's the starkest example of how "if you see something say something" is one of the most enslaving, destructive mantras in history.
Police actually came out to investigate since, apparently running a snow-shoveling business is something that only criminal terrorists would do.
Even when the police saw that it was just two harmless kids trying to earn some money, they didn't let them go on about their business.
Instead they forced them to stop. Because in the Land of the Free, it seems you need a permit in order to offer to shovel snow for people.
And so these two entrepreneurial teenagers were sent home by the police for their lack of permitting after being suspected of suspicious activity by a local resident.
Posted by: Charlie Rangel at February 02, 2015 05:13 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: NRO squish at February 02, 2015 05:13 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: se pa moron at February 02, 2015 05:14 PM (zxQ4h)
Posted by: harry reid
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Hey dude..., what's going on with your eye there?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 02, 2015 05:14 PM (/GgDU)
I already have to pay a shitload of property taxes for schools and I don't even have kids.
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 02, 2015 04:31 PM (6/J77)
Yeah, like we'd all live in a better society where everone is uneducated.
Posted by: bergerbilder
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Oh boy.
Missed the part where we consider our public schools as providing an education, 'cause I ain't fucking seeing it.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 02, 2015 05:14 PM (5yHi1)
There has to be some recognition that child rearing is expensive.
It should be a neutral transaction, but I think most people are in favor of some sort of tax relief.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2015 05:14 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2015 05:14 PM (FsuaD)
You can vote where you pay.
don't pay property taxes? No vote on the county level.
Don't pay state income tax? No vote on the state level.
Don't pay fed income taxes? No vote..
Posted by: Garrett at February 02, 2015 05:15 PM (lq9ci)
-
She went full Seahawk.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 02, 2015 05:15 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: se pa moron
He said something nice of another GOP?
What a monster.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 02, 2015 05:16 PM (PhCVa)
Posted by: Yip at February 02, 2015 05:16 PM (84SRe)
Instead they forced them to stop. Because in the Land of the Free,
it seems you need a permit in order to offer to shovel snow for people.
And
so these two entrepreneurial teenagers were sent home by the police for
their lack of permitting after being suspected of suspicious activity
by a local resident.
Word
Posted by: lemonade stands everywhere at February 02, 2015 05:16 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Bob Belcher
Hologram + Fleshlight.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2015 05:16 PM (tTRIg)
Can any conclusions be drawn from the Drudge poll that has Walker thunderf***ing the rest of the potential GOP candidates?
No, it's just a snapshot. I watched Walker's interview with Martha Radish, and I have to say it made a bit nervous. You could clearly see the gears grinding when she pressed him on deportation and troops in Syria.
He's the best of the current crop, possibly excepting Jindal, just because of his record, but he's going to have to significantly improve on his non-canned answers. He clearly hasn't thought deeply enough on some of these issues to facilely respond to the inevitable MFM ambushes.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2015 05:17 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 02, 2015 05:17 PM (Xrson)
Rubios polishing knobs, and You're getting a bad taste in your mouth?
Dude.....
Somebodies doing something wrong.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2015 05:17 PM (8Un8+)
Posted by: daninmichigan at February 02, 2015 05:17 PM (2yD4G)
Look, you can't claim people who live as you do should be able to pay drastically smaller tax rates than people who can't AND claim you believe people should get to keep more of their own earnings because the first contradicts the second.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at February 02, 2015 05:18 PM (ZKzrr)
Rearranging deck chairs.
The system must be overwhelmed in order to replace it in its entirety with a ready made, tried and trusted system that is fair to all.
Posted by: Justamom's stealing hubby's pad at February 02, 2015 05:18 PM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Joseph Schumpeter at February 02, 2015 05:18 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton 2016 at February 02, 2015 05:18 PM (W6iIX)
She went full Seahawk.
Ima wanna give her a shout out.
Posted by: Marshawn Lynch at February 02, 2015 05:18 PM (Dwehj)
My husband and I did joke about "little baby tax credit" when I was due in December with my youngest. Of course, we didn't plan for that or anything.
Then she came early and was born on Obama's re-election day instead. Epic karma bitch slap.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2015 05:19 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Chris Pagano at February 02, 2015 05:19 PM (lq9ci)
Maybe the government should stop making it so expensive.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at February 02, 2015 05:20 PM (ZKzrr)
Can't wait for virtual porn to kill Internet porn.
Posted by: Bob Belcher
Hologram + Fleshlight.
pffffffft. Haptic interface, IYKWISAITYD.
Posted by: pep at February 02, 2015 05:20 PM (4nR9/)
This is basically what the founding fathers had in mind. I wish they would have put something in the Constitution to this effect.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 02, 2015 05:21 PM (Xrson)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 02, 2015 05:21 PM (8UKC6)
And those discounted tax rates are in recognition that raising children is expensive, but that it is a good thing for society.
Is the system broken? Of course. It needs drastic overhaul. But I and many others will always support the concept of family-friendly tax schemes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2015 05:21 PM (Zu3d9)
Bigger houses, clothes for the entire family, larger cars ect.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2015 05:21 PM (MYCIw)
Walker I may be able to stomach, Rubio made his bed. I guess Hector would call me nativist scum for seeking to punish those who would screw me over.
Posted by: se pa moron at February 02, 2015 05:22 PM (zxQ4h)
Posted by: thathalfrican at February 02, 2015 05:22 PM (/gk1A)
Eh... that may be harsh. We are talking about a Credit and not a Deduction, Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther)
Not harsh enough. Deductions have floor - they can't reduce your earned income below 0. OTOH, the child tax credit can be refundable. If it reduces your earned income below 0, the government writes you a check for the balance.
So, mostly on welfare but have some income to meet the earned test + ninos = dinero.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2015 05:23 PM (kdS6q)
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I didn't see the interview, but I do not think Walker is running for a #2 spot at all. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would rather be at the bottom of a ticket than the top.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2015 05:24 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 02, 2015 05:30 PM (QY6Dj)
Enjoy the Walker hard on. If it lasts more then four hours seek Bob Dole for advice.
Posted by: se pa moron at February 02, 2015 05:30 PM (zxQ4h)
I'm so old, I remember when unmarried women not whelping bastards was a good thing for society, not that something that has to be punished by the government.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at February 02, 2015 05:31 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Holly at February 02, 2015 05:36 PM (P1lVg)
1) Flat Tax set between 10-12% from dollar one
2) 5% budget cuts across the board in all parts of Fed gov't
Keep cutting 5% annually until budget balanced
3) While cutting, restructure Federal Workers along the lines of 90's restructuring of military, i.e.
Severe pyramidal structure, no automatic advancement for time in
definite cuts at 5, 13, 16 years-not everyone will make it through
no retirement benefits until and unless you make the 13 yr cut
no double dipping
no unions
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2015 05:55 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: gm at February 02, 2015 06:02 PM (/kBoL)
All this time I thought Lee was a fiscal conservative - obviously NOT. Gave up on Rubio long time ago.
Posted by: Dylan at February 02, 2015 06:42 PM (p5dct)
Want to help the middle class start and grow families? Cut their tax and compliance burden in half, de-regulate their jobs and businesses. Let them do what comes naturally after that. We got this, government. Just get the hell out of the way.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 02, 2015 07:34 PM (QKIQb)
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Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)