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Our Asshole President Drops His Asshole Proposal to Tax the Education Savings of the Middle Class
It is becoming impossible to avoid the conclusion that Obama has a visceral hatred of America and its middle class which has largely (and positively) shaped its civic culture for 200+ years, but that won't stop the media from ignoring it anyway.
President Barack Obama is abandoning his proposal to eliminate Section 529 -- the popular tax break used by millions of Americans to save for college -- following a big backlash, not only from Republicans and parents, but also from his own Democratic allies. "Given it has become such a distraction, we’re not going to ask Congress to pass the 529 provision so that they can instead focus on delivering a larger package of education tax relief that has bipartisan support, as well as the president's broader package of tax relief for child care and working families," a White House official said Tuesday.Actually I think it was a stunt from the start. The point of it is to propose an outright attack on the Middle Class so that our energies are expended defending against that attack and not expended on offense repealing ObamaCare. We then get a the feeling we've "won one" and have less of an appetite to fight. In fact we won nothing. This was always a Negotiating Point, proposed only to be bargained away. It is interesting that Obama can propose such attacks on the middle class and yet the middle class seems cool with it so long as he is ultimately blocked from actually executing the attack. I assume that is because of his Media Flanking Cover -- I'm pretty sure a Republican who proposed aggressively attacking the Middle Class would get pinned on that, even if he later retreated.
According to The New York Times, Obama and his advisers were lobbied directly by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi while she flew with the president on a flight from India to Saudi Arabia. Other Democrats, including House Budget Committee Ranking Member Chris Van Hollen, were also big critics of the proposal.So: Barack Obama is more left-wing, and more of an anti-Middle-Class class warrior, than the socialist Nancy Pelosi.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 12:40 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: Becky at January 28, 2015 12:41 PM (kj0P/)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:41 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 28, 2015 12:42 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 12:42 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:42 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 28, 2015 12:42 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: HH at January 28, 2015 12:43 PM (Ce4DF)
That has always been true.
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 28, 2015 12:43 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 12:43 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 12:44 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Nero at January 28, 2015 12:44 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: NCKate at January 28, 2015 12:44 PM (EBMYe)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 12:43 PM (GqEzX
Its still early on in the game.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:44 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 12:44 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 12:45 PM (0eidE)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 12:45 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 12:45 PM (bsFjT)
Posted by: chiefjaybob at January 28, 2015 12:45 PM (t2lvB)
Oh, and you're welcome wingnuts!
Posted by: John Boehner at January 28, 2015 12:45 PM (87y4e)
Its not just hate for the middle class. Its hate for everyone who isn't
employed as a civil servant. Because we all know that teachers, ie are
better and smarter than the rest of us who make the world go round.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:42 PM (2Aj5D)
And it isn't hate for that either. It is hate for everyone who isn't a social justice commie black like scrunt who is about to be confirmed by the Senate.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (wlDny)
instead focus on delivering a larger package of education tax relief that has bipartisan support
Wait. Wut?
They're retreating on a tax increase and they crow about working on a bigger, better tax decrease?
It's a reality-free zone.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (JtwS4)
Why do we even discuss this Shiite any more? Its firmly established that:
1. He is a Sociopath
2. He is a far left revolutionary Sociofascist
3. He despises America, the Middle Class, and Whites
4. He is the complete slave of his Sociofascist Masters who are in turn owned by the biggest of big money elitiests
Anything he does is simply business as usual...
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (j1tga)
Unless the white house congressional scholar had a memory seizure he would have remembered revenue bills start in the house not in the white house.
There was never a chance this would be law.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (WNERA)
More to the point: He could afford such political stupidity on account of being done dealing with the electorate. Folks in Congress have no such luxury.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: DM at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (j/tOh)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 12:47 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 12:47 PM (ZPrif)
"Working families" pay practically no federal tax already. Gee, I wonder what kind of "relief" King Putt has in mind.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 28, 2015 12:47 PM (8ZskC)
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I repeat myself. Obama is a lousy negotiator. If that was a negotiating point, it did nothing for him. The GOP didn't beat him on this point, his own party did. The country did. Obama gained nothing on this. In fact, I submit he lost. It is going to be more difficult for the liberals to argue that conservatives are being crazy when they suggest that the government is coming for their retirement accounts. We now know that that is precisely what they would like to do.
Obama is a lousy negotiator. He has never won a negotation.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:47 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 12:47 PM (bsFjT)
It will stop being a stunt though. Next Hillary brings it up. Then whoever. The idea's out there now and like all batshit crazy liberal ideas it gains traction.
Let's be real here, industry-by-industry: Higher ed is a financial disaster, but academia supports the left, so the left has to support academia. Public medicine is a financial disaster, but public medicine supports the left, so the left has to support public medicine. Social security and social safety nets are financial disasters, but... are you getting the trend here?
They want your 529s. They want your HSAs. They want your 401ks. And they'll get them. But they know it doesn't happen overnight or on the first try. You say it once, then you say it again a year later, then six months, and by the time it becomes an issue of regular discourse the party is aligned behind it.
Stand by, I promise those of you under 40 will live see more of your private property nationalized. It's the only way these shit programs stay afloat. "Fairness."
Posted by: 0302 at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (N6eLE)
Feudalism = Communism = Socialism when it comes to this. The idea is that there should be a ruling class (be it The Gentry, or The Party) and everyone else should be serfs (by whatever term). A middle class which is free to be its own agent is antithetical to that order.
So, if you're a Prog/Commie, you necessarily must hate and want to destroy the middle class.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Barakhenaten I at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (bsFjT)
Obama has a visceral hatred of the successful majority of Americans who have worked to earn their well being.That's because he loves the dependent class.
He's tired of hiding it.
I can't wait until he's out of office. It's going to be Jimmy Carter on crack and meth.
Meanwhile, the media stands ready to christen their next saint.
But it'll be "different" this time because- historic!
Right.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Ned Grunchlk at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (TWr4e)
That one will go nowhere because guess whose families have the homes that were bought for $50,000 and will sell for a cool million?
If you guessed Our Betters in the political/academic/media class, you are correct, sir.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (mf5HN)
victory for Nancy Pelosi and then tell conservatives this is how you govern.
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 12:45 PM (0eidE)
FIFme
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (GqEzX)
And it isn't hate for that either. It is hate for everyone who isn't a social justice commie black like scrunt who is about to be confirmed by the Senate.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 12:46 PM (wlDny)
Isn't she a delightful person? She would fit right in over there in Africa under Mugabee or S Africa.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (ftVQq)
He is a lousy negotiator, but he has sure managed to roll John Boehner over and over again. What does that say?
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (noWW6)
And the people whose support he was buying with our tax dollars hate us more than they already did.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (ZKzrr)
Problem is, which of his proposals *aren't asshole proposals?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (ABcz/)
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C'mon. The wasnt anybody in the GOPe expending any energy to repeal Obamacare before this initiative. And there aint any going to be any spent now.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 28, 2015 12:49 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at January 28, 2015 12:50 PM (zxQ4h)
Good data and charts.
Most stunning thing -- even FoxNews gives more money to Democrats than Republicans.
http://danfrank.ca/?p=264
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 12:50 PM (ZPrif)
Isn't bipartisanship awesome?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 12:50 PM (0LHZx)
Thank you, dear Lord, for the faith.
Posted by: DM at January 28, 2015 12:50 PM (j/tOh)
We have the first President actively seeking the destruction of the country, for the betterment of the world.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (HpeUK)
Frankly, I would support the elimination of the 529 plan - provided existing plans are left alone. They are tax subsidies to the higher education industry, which is something that should be snuffed out, not given oxygen.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
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Must have something to do with whats between the legs. Because its not historic to have dumb ass stupid and lazy presidents.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (2Aj5D)
HOW MUCH DID IT COST US? She runs up QUITE the bar tab.......
Posted by: Sponge at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:47 PM (gmeXX)
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I disagree. He's won every negotiation he's had with repub leadership.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (/HX7u)
It'll be a negotiating point when they introduce it with details about 529 balance size where tax kicks in. Because that's what they'll want to negotiate. At some point, you've saved enough for college/retirement.
Posted by: daskol at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (mZgqm)
Now... Inheritance? Yep... Capital gains? of course...
Savings? on the agenda....
" I sentence you to 200 lashes "
' but that would kill him... its a death sentence..'
'very well.... 100 Lashes... '
Media: ' our merciful Leader stops a miscreant from receiving 100 Lashes!'
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (qh617)
Kind of like how the semi-retarded Elijah Cummings easily steamrolled that Congressional hearing.
YAY, Team GOPe...the Washington Generals of politics.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (7ObY1)
Because we're all racists and hate black and brown people or something. Douche.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (GGCsk)
That one will go nowhere because guess whose families have the homes that were bought for $50,000 and will sell for a cool million?
If you guessed Our Betters in the political/academic/media class, you are correct, sir.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (mf5HN)
I seem to remember that being discussed somewhere.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (da5Wo)
Posted by: 0302 at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (N6eLE)
For a little while.....
Posted by: Venezuela at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (mru3R)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (wmrFg)
So you're saying Obama is a master baiter?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (IXrOn)
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This will be unpopular, but I don't think he has ever rolled over on Boehner. It assumes Boehner didn't get what he wanted.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
Until we get rid of the need for college education all together, they are necessary tax relief (no such thing as a "tax subsidy") for middle income families. That some college or other will likely receive the funds (pretty sure in TX you can use them for trade schools), does not change the fact that the *primary* beneficiaries of these plans are families.
Anything that raises taxes on families is bad.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (ABcz/)
Boehner doesn't come for legislatin'?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (wmrFg)
I don't recall anyone expending any energy on this proposal at all. It was dead the moment he read it out loud.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (hLRSq)
Remember being for traditional marriage and against baby killing are now seen as extreme positions.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (Kcl6C)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (IXrOn)
It showed 55% of political donations from FoxNews (from public records of donations) went to the Dems. About 70% for WSJ and CNN, 85% for MSNBC, 100% for The New Republic and Rolling Stone.
http://danfrank.ca/?p=264
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
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I'd be in favor of getting rid of 529s as well. For a different reason than you though. 529s, along with IRAs, 401Ks, mortgage deduction, child credit, etc is the reason why 47% pay no income tax.
Get rid of all tax deductions and lower the tax rates. That way everyone has skin in the game, and teh govt doesn't force people into making decisions in order to get a tax deduction.
Doesn't even have to be a flat tax. Keep the graduated tax system but lower the rates. 5%, 15%, 25%, 30%, with $0 deductions.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: High Commissar Barack O'Stalin at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (FCsIb)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 12:52 PM (da5Wo)
*taps chin* Where could that have been discussed?
Oh. Yes. BC and I's podcast. Which everyone should listen to. Twice.
Linky linky link in nic.
/pimp
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 12:51 PM (/HX7u)
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Again I disagree. The fact that Obama has been able to get his way on things does not prove he is a good negotiator. He has gotten his way either through force or through compliance.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (GGCsk)
ust returned from grabbing a sammich in our lobby sammich place, where they're advertising something called a Peruvian Palm Salad.
If this isn't the national salad of Peruvia already, I hereby nominate it for same.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (knoK7)
Posted by: Bubba at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (bpn7O)
Agree, this is the foot in the door, nose under the tent methodology for nationalization of everything. They've already floated a 401k attack and since they've been working on achieving full blown socialism in the country for over a hundred years, they're nothing if not patient.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2015 12:55 PM (ftVQq)
Bottom line. He's insane.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (IXrOn)
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No he's not. He knows exactly what he's doing. The left plays the long game. This is the first step in a long road towards confiscating retirement accounts. That is the end goal.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 12:55 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: illow- name change at January 28, 2015 12:55 PM (nqBYe)
The preferred pronunciation is "ash-o-lay"
Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (ABcz/)
Do you want me to sing a song?
Posted by: James Taylor at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (mru3R)
But hey, we can easily afford that, right?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (Fnyc2)
Peruvian peppers, hearts of palm, avocados, tomatoes, diced cucumbers and romaine with white balsamic vinaigrette.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (7ObY1)
20 years ago the idea of nationalized health care was an outrageous pipe dream. Now it's all but reality.
What seems unthinkable becomes tolerated and then accepted after continually being bombarded by it. And hence we have the earlier spectacle of a gay lawyer eager to defend the citizenship rights of those who go and join al Qaeda. And we have the seeds planted that hey, nationalizing savings accounts are on the table. Unthinkable today. Twenty years from now...accepted.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (PFy0L)
Why? For the same reason bank robbers rob banks - cause that's where the money is.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (ZPrif)
Peruvian peppers, hearts of palm, avocados, tomatoes, diced cucumbers and romaine with white balsamic vinaigrette.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (7ObY1)
*peers*
Soooo....where's the food?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Mega at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (hHFOx)
Posted by: James Taylor at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (mru3R)
How about going to see some fire and some rain up close?
But mostly the fire. Get real close to it. Really, really close. Closer...closer...
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: ginaswo at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (2EgyQ)
I'm sorry, I promise I won't do that thing in your mouth. Again.
Oops!! I did it again...
Posted by: prescient11 at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: illow- name change at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (7ObY1)
Yeah. I think it could really stick. OAP needed a new name anyway.
Posted by: Mega at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (hHFOx)
ust returned from grabbing a sammich in our lobby sammich place, where they're advertising something called a Peruvian Palm Salad.
If this isn't the national salad of Peruvia already, I hereby nominate it for same.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (knoK7)
That. Is. Awesome.
I'm assuming it's high in protein.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (mf5HN)
The Overton Window.
Say, is it me, or does someone keep turning up the heat in here?
Posted by: Frog Enjoying the Hot Tub at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (Rx8ML)
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And he will be met in the same manner. I keep arguing that the right laregly won and the left largely lost the tax debate. The middle class is not willing to raise their taxes. Of course, they aren't quite willing to cut their own benefits either.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (7ObY1)
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... but we hope that we'd see you again.
**swearsies**
Posted by: fixerupper at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 12:53 PM (wmrFg)
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You got that right.
*pours another glass of premium scotch paid for by tax-payers*
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Your Vote Matters, it really does! at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (RJN20)
All you have to know is that some of all your money that the government "handles" manages to wind up in the pockets of the DC elite, and it's a lot less stressful for them than working for a living.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 12:55 PM (0LHZx)
You misunderstand.
He's insane, regardless of the why's and how's and therefore's.
He is insane.
Evil insane.
Leftie insane, whatever you want to call it.
The end result will be chaos and mayhem.
He is insane.
He is destroying the country.
He is insane.
Not all insane people spin on a stool sucking their thumbs, while their whirlybird hat spins.
TFG is not sane.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (IXrOn)
Dems: Give me everything.
Reps: No way
Dems: OK, gime me 80%
GOP: OK now we're getting somewhere.
Dems: How about 70%?
GOP: Sounds good.
GOP Press release: We negotiated really hard and won 30% of what we didn't have initially
GOPe news media: AWESOME!!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (0LHZx)
Oh. Yes. BC and I's podcast. Which everyone should listen to. Twice.
Linky linky link in nic.
/pimp
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (mf5HN)
You have a podcast?!?!
*runs*
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (doBIb)
Eh, if you put out a trial balloon and it gets shutdown by some of your most liberal allies you might want to think about a new strategy. I don't see these ideas getting any more popular with Americans.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (g1DWB)
But hey, we can easily afford that, right?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (Fnyc2)
When, if you take the amount spent nationally on health care.... divide it by population...
It comes out to a bit over $8000 per person in the US.
But we are talking about the same government who could not even run a whore house in Nevada successfully.....
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (qh617)
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (mf5HN)
*blinks*
*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (/HX7u)
Basically they equate "middle class" with white America and hate it. Plus, Communism, which considers the middle class the biggest impediment to class war ever. Happy, comfortable, achieving, self sufficient, but not super rich? How dare you! This violates everything I believe is possible! Clearly the answer is not to change what I believe, but to destroy you.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 28, 2015 01:00 PM (39g3+)
"we're not going to ask Congress to pass the 529 provision"
"But just wait and see what we do with departmental interpretations of existing regulations. Whoa nelly!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 01:00 PM (kdS6q)
Everyone excitedly squeaks "squirrel!" and goes tearing off after it.
Meanwhile, Obama's already existing set of outlandish and colossal federal subsidies to the reliably Democratic educrat class continue, and go unremarked in the confusion.
Since pretty much the majority of student loans have now been federalized, Obama is continuing with his executive-order based giveaway plan regarding those federalized loans.
If these debt-sodden young graduates go to work in "public service", says Obama, and you can expect that will be an expansively defined category, and make modest payments that are limited to only 10% of their take-home pay, then their entire remaining loan balance will be forgiven after ten years.
Obama hasn't talked about the debt and deficit impact of this plan, for obvious reasons, because it's going to be absolutely huge.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:00 PM (noWW6)
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Right, just like HillaryCare got shot down and America forever rejected socialized medicine.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:00 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (gmeXX)
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The right didn't win shit. The top marginal tax rate is 40%. It's over 50% in states like NY and CA.
The corporate tax rate is the highest in the world.
If that's a win, I'd fucking hate to see what a loss looks like.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 01:00 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (g1DWB)
this was throwing Pelosi a bone
she can look like she's on the "people's" side
meh
it's all a game by psychopaths.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:01 PM (IXrOn)
*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (da5Wo)
What!
*bounds about*
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:01 PM (mf5HN)
The sans-culottes and Marx had the bourgeois, Lenin and Stalin had the Kulaks. The democrats have the middle class.
The only difference is that Marxists and communists didn't lie about whom they wanted to destroy, but then again the democrats also lie about being marxists.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 01:01 PM (2ePOO)
"He's out to seize this pile of money!"
Have you ever heard of a politician that didn't want get his sticky fingers on a pile of money? Desiring it is one thing, accomplishing it is another.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:01 PM (hLRSq)
Peruvian peppers, hearts of palm, avocados, tomatoes, diced cucumbers and romaine with white balsamic vinaigrette.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:56 PM (7ObY1)
*peers*
Soooo....where's the food?
Where's the beef!??
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 01:01 PM (wmrFg)
Americans, maybe not. People who live here on the largesse of others, OTOH...and there's more of the latter than the former anymore.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:02 PM (ZKzrr)
Right, but many of those people who voted it are no longer in Congress. Even Pelosi realized this was a crazy idea and that's saying something.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 01:02 PM (g1DWB)
ust returned from grabbing a sammich in our lobby sammich place, where they're advertising something called a Peruvian Palm Salad.
If this isn't the national salad of Peruvia already, I hereby nominate it for same.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 12:54 PM (knoK7)
That. Is. Awesome.
I'm assuming it's high in protein.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (mf5HN)
Has there been a sudden decrease in the amount of Hobos in the neighborhood?
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 01:02 PM (qh617)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 28, 2015 01:02 PM (NaV4z)
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Hence why I would be in favor of eliminating 529 plans. I understand they help the middle class save for college. But they also prop up the college system which is largely the left.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:02 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (7ObY1)
W-ww-w-w-w-wait a minute......
This is a pretty expensive guitar....
Posted by: James Taylor at January 28, 2015 01:03 PM (mru3R)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 01:02 PM (g1DWB)
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End result is we have nationalized health care. And it only took 20 years to happen after the "nationalized health care is dead" thinking of 1993/4.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 01:03 PM (0LHZx)
The Levin rant I posted in the last thread from the right scoop is a culmination of how we are being pushed to the bankruptcy and collapsing point.
That is how they take our money in the end. 2025, was one quote of when we reach unsustainability.
The dems will always do this. Spend and let the GOP balance it out. But the GOP is right in there with them now.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:03 PM (IXrOn)
I'm assuming it's high in protein.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM
Sounds like we have the necessary approval. Peruvia now has a national salad.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (knoK7)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (rwI+c)
This is a pretty expensive guitar....
Posted by: James Taylor at January 28, 2015 01:03 PM (mru3R)
Don't worry, sweet baby James. If you catch fire, you just call out my name, and you know wherever I am, I'll come running...
to point and laugh at you.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (wmrFg)
I knew it.
Peruvian Palm Dressing.
On tap the same, the world over.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (xq1UY)
This would be a lot more useful, of course, had it not been for that tragic canoe accident.
Posted by: blaster at January 28, 2015 01:05 PM (Rx8ML)
Levin also revealed our state dept is spending our money to defeat BiBi in an Israel election.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 28, 2015 01:05 PM (WNERA)
Per 1 salad - Calories: 335kcal | Fat: 21.00g | Carbs: 33.70g | Protein: 4.00g
4 grams of protein
That's what, half a hobo?
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 01:05 PM (7ObY1)
I'm assuming it's high in protein.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM
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Only if *I'm* your waiter..... hehah!!
Posted by: PeeWee Herman at January 28, 2015 01:05 PM (NaV4z)
Then they came for healthcare and I said something but it didn't make a difference, they did it anyway.
They they came for energy and I said something but it didn't make a difference, they did it anyway.
Then they came for citizenship status and I said something but it didn't make a difference, they did it anyway.
Then they came for me and I said something but it didn't make a difference, they did it anyway.
Posted by: Mega at January 28, 2015 01:05 PM (hHFOx)
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My response (which I gave on the last post but after this post went live) is that Levin is wrong in that no one is talking about. We have been talking about it for years. But no one wants to do anything about (using no one generally). The politicians don't want to make the hard decisions because the country doesn't want to make the hard decisions. You usually have to hit a breaking point. We haven't hit it yet. Someday we will, I don't know when.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (gmeXX)
We are coming after private property entirely, which was created by state actions and only temporarily lent to you citizens. It's pay-up time!
Posted by: High Commissar Barack O'Stalin at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (FCsIb)
*deletes*
Posted by: Peter North at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (zxQ4h)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 12:57 PM (da5Wo)
I'm assuming you use the ingredients to catch the food.
OK, Horde, you convinced me. I'm off to get some ChickenE.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (M1uf/)
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That's not much of a counter-argument.
This proposal wasn't meant to be enacted today. Or tomorrow. Or two years from now. The point was to get the idea into the realm of the possible and maybe plausible, so it's there in 10 years or 20.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (ZPrif)
Oh.
Shucks.
Say, can anybody lend me a quarter billion? I'll get it this time for sure.
Posted by: Johnny "Shell Game" Boehner at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (JO9+V)
to point and laugh at you.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (7ObY1)
B-but....ummmm... that was just a song, man.
I mean...... you guys don't take those things seriously, now do ya?
Really, ...... c'mon, ......no foolin' around...man.
Posted by: James Taylor at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (mru3R)
I keep arguing that the right laregly won and the left largely lost the tax debate.
Posted by: SH
You can not be talking about the infamous "fiscal cliff" tax bill. Rate increases and deductions eliminations all over that thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Taxpayer_Relief_Act_of_2012
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (kdS6q)
Remember: what is called the "middle class" is a hallmark of societies
that either have thrown off, or are in the process of throwing off,
their aristocracy.
Feudalism = Communism = Socialism when it comes to this. The idea
is that there should be a ruling class (be it The Gentry, or The Party)
and everyone else should be serfs (by whatever term). A middle class
which is free to be its own agent is antithetical to that order.
So, if you're a Prog/Commie, you necessarily must hate and want to destroy the middle class.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 12:48 PM (M1uf/)"
In re the frequent longbow/crossbow debates in which we frequently indulge. Both England and France were feudal societies but England had a fairly large group of yeomen farmers who owned and farmed their own land. By Feudal standards they were the nearest thing to a middle class since they were neither serfs nor aristocracy. It was the yeomen farmers who practiced with the long bow from childhood and provided a valuable military force to the kings of England. Also, being able to kill a man armored with chain mail from 200 yards away served as a deterrent to the king and the local aristocracy against screwing with them too much.
The French did not have such a yeoman class. The French aristocracy definitely did not want to have such a class. They preferred to hire crossbowmen from Italy rather than allow a large number of their own people to be skilled in the use of arms. They were willing to suffer repeated military defeat at the hands of the British rather than allow that sort of social development.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (KDbAT)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (knoK7)
Gawd, I hate this phrase. It is just more segmenting of the citizenry.
Posted by: dogfish at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (1vYi0)
Communism and socialism are nothing more than a vehicle for tyrant wannabes (see barky's handlers and by extension him) to gain total control.
Hence, a strong middle class is the enemy of tyrant wannabes.
Know. Your. Enemy.
Out.
Posted by: teej at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (5aq94)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (M1uf/)
Sigh. Not again
Posted by: The Chicken at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (Rx8ML)
It is funny that in just about every Western nation, the politicians are upset that the citizens are trying to remind said politicians that the politicians are supposed to represent the citizens.
No wonder so many Western nations are trying to import a new and improved citizenry.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 01:07 PM (2ePOO)
At least take some video to sell to TMZ so we can all point and laugh.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (ZKzrr)
I didn't read the article, but it probably said. "Glorious leader also shot 43, setting a course record at Augusta National."
Posted by: duke at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (ChY2Q)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (fL+1V)
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Its nothing new. The left wants to tax the middle class because it needs the money. The right and the middle class don't want to be taxed. This is nothing new. This fight will continue for a long time, just as we have fought it for a long time.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
But we are talking about the same government who could not even run a whore house in Nevada successfully.....
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 12:59 PM (qh617)
_________________________
$50,000 per 0-Care recipient per year is a lot more than $8,000 per person per year for health care.
Plus, the same CBO report says that there will still be @ 20 -30 million uninsured Americans, so it's not like we're spending these astronomical sums of money on 0-Care so that we can have universal coverage. We'll still have tens of millions of uninsured even after 0-Care is fully implemented, and we'll be bankrupting ourselves to pay for the hugely overpriced 0-Care subsidies.
It is beyond idiotic. It is insane.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (Fnyc2)
People (the LIV's) don't see this as a statement of his intent. He intends to tax everything not nailed down. He desires the confiscation of our savings.
That he was prevented this time doesn't mean he's giving up.
And most people only see that it didn't work today. They don't apply today's lessons regarding his intent and desireto their image of Obama.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (fwARV)
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See also Valerie Jarret, Jan Psaki, Ben Rhoads.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM (NaV4z)
A crossbow is the same thing as a longbow, isn't it?
Posted by: Mega at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM (hHFOx)
Gonna suck being the first guy thru the door. Just sayin'.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM (wmrFg)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM (g1DWB)
was only part of the reason. Apparently this president has a horse in the race. First revealed in its Hebrew edition, Ha'arez is reporting The group V15, which denies that its motto is anyone but Bibi, is working with U.S. political strategist Jeremy Bird who worked on the Obama campaign to replace the Israeli government in March.
yid with a lid
Posted by: ill-ow at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM (nqBYe)
He finally found the magical uterus at the end of the rainbow?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 01:10 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:06 PM (gmeXX)
*koff* Further thing discussed in BC and I's podcast was the election in Greece and how the Greeks were slapped by reality and the voters, in turn, rejected reality.
People will deny that the worst will happen right up until the moment it does.
How do you go bankrupt? Slowly and then all at once.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:10 PM (mf5HN)
That one blew my mind.
You would think that the now Republican-controlled Congress would have instantly issued subpoenas to everyone at State, from Lurch on down, to have them come explain this on the record under the hot lights of the committee rooms.
You would also think that Netanyahu would have called in the U.S. ambassador and the CIA head of station and said, "Good morning, guys. You're leaving on the afternoon flight. Our ambassador's coming home on the same plane once it gets to D.C."
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:10 PM (noWW6)
And the LIV's are like "well at least he is trying to help people! What are the Republicans doing?"
Posted by: blaster at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (Rx8ML)
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It was union whores and their seniority rules that was the problem.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM
So he's going on sabbatical to Alaska to find the real uterus?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (knoK7)
Secondly, the goal here for the Obama-types is to turn college into a government benefit. They will then be able to decide who gets in, where they go, what programs are offered, who's hired to run them, etc. - well, to an even greater degree than they already do.
The 0.1% will still have options. Everyone else who ever plans to have a kid will obsessively monitor every word he ever utters in public, every word he ever drops into a blog comment (oops), because the Obamacollege admissions process becomes a giant black box run on top of a data mining operation Beria would be proud of.
Posted by: JEM at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (o+SC1)
No amount of money or insurance will buy an ounce of unobtanium.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (WNERA)
It either means people are taking this dude way too seriously... or fear he'll just enact his crackpot ideas with memos, executive orders, and regulations in the executive department.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (39g3+)
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And you are wrong. The taxes are just delayed. The taxes will rise -- in fact, have risen -- because the spending rose and it must be paid for.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH
You can not be talking about the infamous "fiscal cliff" tax bill. Rate increases and deductions eliminations all over that thing.
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No I am talking about the general debate over taxes. The right in general won in that the middle class taxes generally only go in one direction, and that is lower. Sure some taxes get passed under the name of a penalty, and short-term FICA tax cuts go back into effect, but general tax rates for the middle class have only gone in one direction for 20 years.
That doesn't mean the fight will never happen again - just that the left is finding it difficult to raise taxes on the middle class. I mean they could have let the Bush tax rate cuts expire with all taxes being raised. They didn't.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:12 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2015 01:09 PM (g1DWB)
Andrew who now?
Posted by: blaster at January 28, 2015 01:12 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: Ebola guy at January 28, 2015 01:12 PM (iUApZ)
The SCOAMT is meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood versus finding time for Bibi.
Everything in the world is upside down.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:12 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 28, 2015 01:12 PM (3g9q6)
Andrew Sullivan is quitting blogging
Posted by: JackStraw
*knock* *knock* *knock* *knock*
"Gotta dance!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM (kdS6q)
I just loved loved loved that in Athens, the streets filled up with noisily protesting anarchists.
Protesting what? Protesting austerity cuts to Greek public sector pay, benefits, and pensions.
Anarchists for Big Government.
Hard to get more unreal than that.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (fwARV)
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And just to remind everyone. Two more years is a long time for this regime.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Yes.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 01:14 PM (wmrFg)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 28, 2015 01:14 PM (3g9q6)
The Most Rev. Wright's Trinity United Church, and Black Liberation Theology in general, calls on followers to "reject middle classness."
Just sayin....
Posted by: CJ at January 28, 2015 01:14 PM (9KqcB)
To become a full-time gynecological detective? His true calling?
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:14 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 01:00 PM (0LHZx)"
You will before Obama is out of office.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 01:14 PM (KDbAT)
Emperor Hirohito has decided to grant the gift of Peace to the World.
Pharaoh has decided to let his middle-class pyramid laborers leave Egypt.
The Empire has decided to move the capital to Constantinople.
Napoleon has retired to Saint Helena.
Distractions. So tiresome.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 28, 2015 01:14 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: mallfly at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM (/HX7u)
feels like time is standing still
2 years is going to feel like 20 by the end of it
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (IXrOn)
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No doubt the middle class has a good case of cognitive dissonace. But what the middle class has not done - is vote for a middle class tax raise. Now you can argue that they have by voting for Obama and the stimulus and Obamacare and to be taxed indirectly through other means - e.g., inflation, etc. There is some truth to it. But my point is this - the middle class is not voluntarily voting to increase the amount of direct taxes they pay. The left has so far lost that battle.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (gmeXX)
I just loved loved loved that in Athens, the streets filled up with noisily protesting anarchists.
Protesting what? Protesting austerity cuts to Greek public sector pay, benefits, and pensions.
Anarchists for Big Government.
Hard to get more unreal than that.
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That was amusing. I got into an online discussion a few months ago, when I pointed out that not a single European country had implemented austerity, as spending in all of the nations increased, not decreased. How can austerity not be working, when it has not been tried?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (2ePOO)
Everything in the world is upside down.
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I suggest we change our national motto from "In God We Trust" to "Holy Shit!"
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Bronco Bama the Magnificent at January 28, 2015 01:16 PM (P330y)
The middle class thinks it doesn't pay taxes because they get a tax refund. Oh look, I got $2500 for the IRS, ha ha ha, I sure fucked them over, huh?
The fact you paid $10,000 over the course of a year doesn't mean much, eh LIV? No, you got $2500 so you're happy. Now take the $2500 and put it as a downpayment on a new car.
So here comes evil racist Republican saying taxes are too high and the LIV thinks, no way, I just got $2500 from the IRS, taxes aren't too high at all.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
Try forever in place of "a long time" because it is the Forever Fight. The idea that it will ever end or that one side will be utterly triumphant is ridiculous. I pretty much think people should give up the crying and carping, but it wouldn't be the same here if that happened.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:16 PM (hLRSq)
who believes this?
I guess Mitt was flawed if he couldn't say something like just because I am rich and on every level better than you, I can empathize while the donks just want to focus on gheys and abortion (indeed, I think the left's greatest sadness is that gheys can't get pregnant to have abortions) and paying off federal workers with salaries you can only dream of.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 28, 2015 01:16 PM (3g9q6)
Protesting what? Protesting austerity cuts to Greek public sector pay, benefits, and pensions.
Anarchists for Big Government.
Hard to get more unreal than that.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM
It's Greece. They'll find a way to get even more unreal. Trust me on this.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 01:17 PM (knoK7)
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM (/HX7u)
feels like time is standing still
2 years is going to feel like 20 by the end of it
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (IXrOn)
___________________________________
People will look back and fondly remember these as the good ole days.
Where you could still see a doctor, buy fresh groceries where 3 waiting in line brings another checker, when you could buy gas on any day.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 28, 2015 01:17 PM (WNERA)
You're kidding. What's the idiot gonna do; support yet another coup in Egypt?
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 28, 2015 01:17 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 28, 2015 01:17 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: votermom DIY or die! at January 28, 2015 01:17 PM (cbfNE)
it's funny how the Dems and Progs and others keep barking that they're "fighting for the middle class" when their policies inevitably do the middle class more harm than good. I guess their idea of "fighting for the middle class" means making more and more people dependent on the government, run by those fine people who care about us more than we care about ourselves.
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Alinsky's great insight was to keep on fighting the historical marxist fight to destroy the middle class, but get your allies in the media to lie about it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 01:17 PM (2ePOO)
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Not necessarily. I agree there will be a reckoning one day. Either we tax and pay for obligations, or we just get rid of the obligations. I wish I knew how that would go down.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:18 PM (gmeXX)
Don't you mean "conservative blogger" Andrew Sullivan? Have always loved how the media selects him as the conservative voice on their shows when his only conservative stand was *initially* supporting the war in Afghanistan before going full-on, crazy Kerry and Obama supporter/gynecological investigator extraordinaire.
But...was it really his decision?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 01:18 PM (ABcz/)
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lol. just brownshirts.
they're totalitarians fighting against prolish middle class
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 28, 2015 01:18 PM (3g9q6)
Posted by Ace
I wouldn't characterize Nancy Pelosi as an actual "socialist." i think the best term for her is "apparatchik" -- a functionary who enacts the will of The Party, but merely as an automaton, a commu-bot as it were.
So doesn't actually believe any of her rhetoric. She just carries out socialist policies, while living like a queen.
Posted by: zombie at January 28, 2015 01:18 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Dr. Johnny Fever at January 28, 2015 01:18 PM (ppaKI)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:15 PM (gmeXX)
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The vote for higher taxes on evil rich people. They're too stupid to realize in Democrat eyes, they are evil rich people too.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 01:18 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2015 01:19 PM (UzPAd)
Anarchists for Big Government.
Hard to get more unreal than that.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM
the problem is, people see the government as so corrupt, and taking their money for their own use, that they refuse to give up anything they may benefit from
it's a vicious cycle
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:19 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:19 PM (bsFjT)
Well, at least (according to Charles Cooke) we don't have Sarah Palin as a president, so we've got that going for us.
Posted by: jwest at January 28, 2015 01:19 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2015 01:19 PM (UzPAd)
heh
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:20 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 28, 2015 01:20 PM (eA40J)
Posted by: Yip at January 28, 2015 01:20 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (ZPrif)
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I almost said forever, but then I like to say nothing is forever. But you are right. Obama is nothing new. He is certainly the most brazen. He is certainly the only leftist who hasn't moderated upon receiving a shallacking. But his proposals are nothing new. He didn't win anything by floating the 529 plan. It got smacked down big time.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (XzRw1)
Like a fart in church.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (wmrFg)
After reading it last night, I do too, though it's depressing as hell.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (rwI+c)
Our Asshole President Drops His Asshole Proposal to Tax the Education Savings of the Middle Class
worth repeating
heh.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 01:22 PM (IXrOn)
Classic NYT headline: "Obama Forced to Keep College Savings Plan, a Loss in his Battle for the Middle Class."
I didn't read the article, but it probably said. "Glorious leader also shot 43, setting a course record at Augusta National."
Posted by: duke at January 28, 2015 01:08 PM (ChY2Q)"
Did you know that he talks with dolphins and he neither pees nor poops?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 01:22 PM (KDbAT)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 01:22 PM (XUKZU)
For the details:
dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/28/a-note-to-my-readers
Apparently Andy's blogging grind* is beating him down like some Dickensian waif changing the bobbins on a thundering shuttle loom.
*"Assistants? What assistants?"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 01:22 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Burger King at January 28, 2015 01:22 PM (JtwS4)
Barack hasn't jumped her bones in about two years, and that's why she scowls and grimaces like a frog expelling a turd.
Posted by: Reggie Love at January 28, 2015 01:23 PM (P330y)
To hurry up and arrive,
'Cause if I gotta spend another 2 years with you,
I don't think this country will survive
Posted by: Meatloaf at January 28, 2015 01:23 PM (JO9+V)
Protesting what? Protesting austerity cuts to Greek public sector pay, benefits, and pensions.
Anarchists for Big Government.
Hard to get more unreal than that.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2015 01:13 PM (noWW6)
Oh Greece is taking the general European political party batshittery and turning it up to twelve. Maybe thirteen.
I'm waiting for an Asian Dawn party to win some seats.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:23 PM (mf5HN)
Water is wet and fire is hot.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2015 01:23 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:19 PM (bsFjT)
All's fine here.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 01:23 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 12:58 PM (mf5HN)
Yeah it is. Protein in your mouth.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (fwARV)
So actually Obama has done a lot to benefit them.
Posted by: votermom DIY or die! at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (cbfNE)
Dickensian waif changing the bobbins on a thundering shuttle loom.
I haven't seen anything of note from him since he went off the deep end w/his Palin hatred.
Got the impression that, uh, all might not be well with his health. He was not sounding all that sane.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (1DiJX)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (fwARV)
Ahhhh Nearsider. King of Subtle.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (da5Wo)
Secondly, the goal here for the Obama-types is to turn college into a government benefit. They will then be able to decide who gets in, where they go, what programs are offered, who's hired to run them, etc. - well, to an even greater degree than they already do.
The 0.1% will still have options. Everyone else who ever plans to have a kid will obsessively monitor every word he ever utters in public, every word he ever drops into a blog comment (oops), because the Obamacollege admissions process becomes a giant black box run on top of a data mining operation Beria would be proud of.
Posted by: JEM at January 28, 2015 01:11 PM (o+SC1)
Well done. Saved me having to type in the same observation(s).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (oKE6c)
Oh Greece is taking the general European political party batshittery and turning it up to twelve. Maybe thirteen.
I'm waiting for an Asian Dawn party to win some seats.
I'm reading in the FAZ that the new Greek guy has ties to Russian ultra-nationalists. Something about Putin using Greece to block any more EU sanctions and getting sweet Kremlin love in return.
It's all very Byzantine.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:24 PM (fwARV)
This is where I tell the story about walking down the hall at the old office and hearing a group of women having this super earnest discussion about the best source of protein and me laughing so hard I fell into the wall.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (mf5HN)
Class traitors like us are all evil and unredeemable to them.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (6ROe1)
In two years? How about not more than twice?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Crimson Jihad at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (JO9+V)
Got the impression that, uh, all might not be well with his health. He was not sounding all that sane.
Posted by: Lizzy
AIDS related dementia is a thing. Seems like a pretty clear case of it, since around his Palin hysterics.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (kdS6q)
Oh woe is us! We are doomed forever and ever and ever!
How was that guys? A good summing up of the Doom and Gloom viewpoint at the old HQ?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (hLRSq)
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You are reliably, consistently, and very confidently wrong.
You literally assured us that Obama would never do Amnesty. And that if he did he would be impeached and lose all public support.
I don't think you understand American politics as well as you think you understand American politics.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:21 PM (ZPrif)
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I did. Did he ever actually pass something or did he simply continue to not enforce. Legitimate question - I seem to recall reading he never actually issued an order (I could be wrong). Perhaps it doesn't matter whether he issued a formal order or not because we got it anyway.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (gmeXX)
http://www.dailycal.org/2015/01/20/occupy-syllabus/
" Occupy the syllabus
We are calling for an occupation of syllabi in the social sciences and humanities. This call to action was instigated by our experience last semester as students in an upper-division course on classical social theory. Grades were based primarily on multiple-choice quizzes on assigned readings. The course syllabus employed a standardized canon of theory that began with Plato and Aristotle, then jumped to modern philosophers: Hobbes, Locke, Hegel, Marx, Weber and Foucault, all of whom are white men. The syllabus did not include a single woman or person of color.
We have major concerns about social theory courses in which white men are the only authors assigned. These courses pretend that a minuscule fraction of humanity — economically privileged white males from five imperial countries (England, France, Germany, Italy and the United States) — are the only people to produce valid knowledge about the world. This is absurd. The white male syllabus excludes all knowledge produced outside this standardized canon, silencing the perspectives of the other 99 percent of humanity.
The white male canon is not sufficient for theorizing the lives of marginalized people. None of the thinkers we studied in this course had a robust analysis of gender or racial oppression. They did not even engage with the enduring legacies of European colonial expansion, the enslavement of black people and the genocide of indigenous people in the Americas. Mentions of race and gender in the white male canon are at best incomplete and at worst racist and sexist. We were required to read Hegel on the “Oriental realm” and Marx on the “Asiatic mode of production,” but not a single author from Asia. We were required to read Weber on the patriarchy, but not a single feminist author. The standardized canon is obsolete: Any introduction to social theory that aims to be relevant to today’s problems must, at the very least, address gender and racial oppression.
The exclusions on the syllabus were mirrored in the classroom. Although the professor said he wanted to make the theory relevant to present issues, the class was out of touch with the majority of students’ lives. The lectures often incorporated current events, yet none of the examples engaged critically with gender or race. The professor even failed to mention the Ferguson events, even though he lectured about prisons..."
When even Karl Marx is a right-wing white oppressor, we have reach the End Times.
Posted by: zombie at January 28, 2015 01:26 PM (K4YiS)
office and hearing a group of women having this super earnest discussion
about the best source of protein and me laughing so hard I fell into
the wall.
Wasn't it Erica Jong who said that overpopulation and hunger could be solved w/one giant gulp?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (ABcz/)
I have been getting them here periodically.
But, each time I do, the second time works normally.
I just assumed it was me and my newfangled MacAir, which I am NOT used to yet.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (fL+1V)
Posted by: Kristophr at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (6ROe1)
Yeah it is. Protein in your mouth.
*breathes on mirror*
*fogs it up*
Yup. I'm still alive because I wasn't the first one to say what Every hordeling has been thinking and get shin-kicked to death.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (mf5HN)
Yes, yes it was the laughter that caused that.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (da5Wo)
Posted by: jwest at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (bsFjT)
Heh. Excellent cartoon. (and no, handwringers, it ain't a fukkin spider)
http://tinyurl.com/ljdwrk2
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 01:28 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 28, 2015 01:28 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)
This is why I want all withholding cancelled. Force people to write the IRS a check every 15April and you'll see taxes change really fucking quickly.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:28 PM (fwARV)
We had a party last night. Gloating and drunk go together.
I had way too much fun and all those lobbyist, paid up to come!
30 years ago I was a member, we didn't even have a third of the votes. We were the democrats bitches.
NOW? Ha Ha. First you will suck my dick.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 28, 2015 01:29 PM (0FSuD)
You literally assured us that Obama would never do Amnesty. And that if he did he would be impeached and lose all public support.
I don't think you understand American politics as well as you think you understand American politics.
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How did Obama win by floating this 529 plan?
And did he ever actually issue an executive amnesty order?
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:29 PM (gmeXX)
As far as I saw he just got up and loudly announced that he was going to do what he had already been doing. Which is pretty much his normal operating plan anyway.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:29 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:25 PM (da5Wo)
What? It's a salad. Where else would you put it?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:29 PM (fwARV)
A bit Pollyanna for my taste but I guess your a glass half-full kind of guy.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 01:30 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (JtwS4
And a bad slip would mean ankle abuse.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:30 PM (2Aj5D)
It states that the rings are in orbit around the system's star, but then refer to the object at the center of the orbit as a planet.
Then it states that gaps exist in the rings, leading to the conclusion that "moons" have formed in orbit around the thing they (correctly) revert to calling a star.
Stars are born from gas clouds. Remnants of the gas cloud form planetary disks. From those disks, planets accrete. Around those planets, from the remnants of the disk, moons may form.
So. What stage of planetary system has been detected, and what items do we seem to see? Star, with disk, with some planet formation in progress.
What we do not detect is a star that is sometimes a planet, nor do we see moons orbiting the star.
This is elementary school stuff.
Posted by: no at January 28, 2015 01:30 PM (2yWNi)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 12:42 PM
That's just not true. He also doesn't hate welfare recipients.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2015 01:30 PM (DXcH1)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 01:31 PM (GqEzX)
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That is my understanding. Obama never did actually grant amnesty to illegal. If I am wrong, please point me to the order.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:31 PM (gmeXX)
Wow. Just. Wow.
How is it that this didn't happen simultaneously at, well, almost every university in New England? We appear to have a genuine commie gap.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 01:31 PM (knoK7)
Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit 10m
RACE HOAX EXPOSED: Cop Who Detained NYT Columnist's Son Was Also Black http://shar.es/1bPjgk via @gatewaypundit @CharlesMBlow
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:27 PM (da5Wo)
It was! Well, I mean it was that time. It was the invisible dogs all the other times.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:28 PM (fwARV)
Make it optional. I, for one, would prefer to have it taken out weekly. That's just a planning ahead kinda thing for me.
But most people would opt to get the bigger paycheck every week. And then, come April......."HOLY SHIT! I OWE HOW MUCH??? I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY!!!"
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (da5Wo)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 01:30 PM (rwI+c)
Darn it! I need a darker viewpoint. Does anybody have any Cure albums lying around?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (hLRSq)
Glad you had a big time, Nip.
For some reason, Dan Forest is the only one in Raleigh i trust.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (rwI+c)
Damn I envy you. Here in California elections decide between Maoists, Trotskyites, and Leninists, the full political spectrum.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (oKE6c)
How is it that this didn't happen simultaneously at, well, almost every university in New England? We appear to have a genuine commie gap.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
In the race to hurtle off the left edge of the universe, Berkeley has nudged into the lead! We're number one! We're number one! We're number onnnnnnnneeeeee........(silence)
Posted by: zombie at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (K4YiS)
There was never any chance this was going anywhere... Who ever came up with this must believe only upper middle class people benefitted, which just isn't true.
BTW one of the ways less affluent parents are able to afford to send their kids to college is because the 529 plans are not just for parents, grandparents can also contribute... And if you're a lucky kid instead of just having two people (your parents) you'll have six (your parents and both set of grandparents) helping you. What could be more American than that?
Posted by: ADK46er at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (VTKSt)
I can feel my brain oozing out my ears.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (ZKzrr)
"Middle Class" is a Marxist term. It's more accurate to describe it as the working/taxpaying/responsible class. The earners that make a living caring for themselves and their loved ones INDEPENDENT of anyone or anything else.
That is the real enemy. Money, wealth and property represent the fruits of your labors and precious limited time on this earth. That's what they want. Once they get it, they own YOU.
As Momma Sefton said, "evil flourishes."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (/Ho8c)
Darn it! I need a darker viewpoint. Does anybody have any Cure albums lying around?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (hLRSq)
No, but Tonight's The Night by Neil Young is playing for my background music right now. Thats bleak.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (2Aj5D)
Of course they also had some explanation about how employees losing their paid for health insurance was a good thing. Somehow I don't think they'll see it that way.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2015 01:34 PM (DXcH1)
This is why I want all withholding cancelled. Force people to write the IRS a check every 15April and you'll see taxes change
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It used to be that way, but too many people couldn't cut the check in April.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 01:34 PM (2ePOO)
Not a single Democrat now holds statewide office in Alabama. Not a single one.
If our Republicans weren't retards this place would be paradise.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 28, 2015 01:34 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: MikeH at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (ZdA3v)
He Amnestied millions. Are you arguing that didn't happen?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:33 PM (2Aj5D)
Gooseberry was a workin' man, he usta load that econoline.....
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (xWW96)
Taxing the rich jet owners....
----10 more mins of buzzwords----
And the middle class.
Posted by: SCOAMF--Sometime around May at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (oari7)
Andrew Sullivan Calls It Quits
The Daily Caller - Betsy Rothstein
Conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan....
Yeah, 'bout that...
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (kdS6q)
Abolish withholding AND move Tax Day to one week before Election Day.
You'll see what one man can do, my friend.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: johnd01 at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (VGqjW)
It did give him an approval bump.
Unless the white house congressional scholar had a memory seizure he would have remembered revenue bills start in the house not in the white house.
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He said 'free cc'. 529 tax was meant to pay for it. So he drops the budgeting part and keeps credit for the 'free' part. Win/Win.
Because people are deeply, deeply stupid.
Posted by: Lea hates Peppa Pig but will watch it for freedom (not really) at January 28, 2015 01:35 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 01:34 PM (2ePOO)
There are already punishments for that. I still don't see the problem.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (hLRSq)
then, come April......."HOLY SHIT! I OWE HOW MUCH??? I DON'T HAVE THAT
KIND OF MONEY!!!"
Gonna be some of that with people repaying Obamacare subsidies they shouldn't have gotten, but 1) not enough people, and 2) somehow the fault of the GOP and their 40 senators not letting Ear Leader go full Full Totalitarian.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (8Kv96)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (8Kv96)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (DXcH1)
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A bad sign. This means, if the trend continues to other schools, that even fascism is too right wing. They're heading into tribal barbarism now. Fuck Che. Our new heroes are Boko Haram.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (8Kv96)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:28 PM (fwARV)
But most people would opt to get the bigger paycheck every week. And then, come April......."HOLY SHIT! I OWE HOW MUCH??? I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY!!!"
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:32 PM (da5Wo)
Bull's eye. Do the same thing with health insurance. None from employer; you don't auto insurance from your employer, do you?
No withholding for anything. Write a check.* Enjoy the outrage.
*Everybody. Gross up welfare payments, and then tax them back down to where they are now. Make the bruthas write a check, or count out greenbacks that used to be in their wallets, but now are in the tax collector's hot little hand. Then anyone wanting to raise the tax rate will be lucky if he doesn't get capped.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 28, 2015 01:37 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:37 PM (da5Wo)
He Amnestied millions. Are you arguing that didn't happen?
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I'm arguing that there has been no real change from the status quo that has existed for a long time. I argued that he would not pass an order granting amnesty to all illegal immigrants. My understanding is that has not happened. As far as non-enforcement goes, there was pretty much non-enforcement for a long time.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:38 PM (gmeXX)
http://tinyurl.com/l59w3r5
But the Chairman [Congressmen George Miller] has also signalled greater ambitions. At a hearing last month, Mr. Miller put the 401(k) system into play. Under the current system, employers match employee contributions that aren't taxed until redeemed, an indirect subsidy worth some $80 billion today. "We have to start to think about in Congress . . . whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not generating what we now say it should," Mr. Miller said. "For a taxpayer investment of this size, we must ensure that the structure of 401(k)s adequately protects the nest eggs of participating workers."
Posted by: mallfly at January 28, 2015 01:38 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (DXcH1)
But! But! They're irresponsible because....because....because racism!
Yeah. Yeah that's it. Racism! That's the ticket!
Posted by: Lefty Tommy Flanagan at January 28, 2015 01:38 PM (od1KN)
Just proposing this scared the shit out of the middle class because Democrats obviously have no trouble seizing tax deferred accounts like 401ks, Roth, IRAs etc.
Republicans shouldn't let this die quietly, make a big stink about what Obama "wanted" to do but they stopped him.
Posted by: McAdams at January 28, 2015 01:38 PM (MZF/o)
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I was at the vet's office this morning. While waiting I scanned the USA Today. There was an article about the projected numbers being hit for Obama Care. No where in the article did it say how many had health insurance before this debacle became law. My guess is that we have as many if not more uninsured now than we did before.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:38 PM (2Aj5D)
Who bitch this is?
Posted by: Shinblade at January 28, 2015 01:39 PM (JO9+V)
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I ask sincerely, what did he actually do? How did he change the law, how did he change the enforcement measures?
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:39 PM (gmeXX)
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Gotcha. Nice sophistry. So what have the Republicans been arguing over stopping the last two months? They are in the charade, I guess, is that your story?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:39 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:39 PM (bsFjT)
Yes, but he's also black, so any recognition of his failings (or any criticism at all for that matter) simply indicates racism on the part of the speaker.
Posted by: Null at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:36 PM (fwARV)
Once upon a time, I was part of a group at work that received some very nice bonuses indeed. When the checks came, people flipped their shit because omg where's the rest of the money. I sat down and helpfully pointed out each line showing taxes withheld.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (mf5HN)
They're now in a position where they call the hard working people thieves for wanting to keep the fruits of their labor.
I would think there would be at least a little discomfort in levying confiscatory taxes but not for the SCOAMF and his minions.
It reminds me of the way they've moved from being pro choice (abortion should be safe, rare and legal) to being enthusiastically pro abortion.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (xNkaN)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:39 PM (bsFjT)
And battleaxes.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (fwARV)
And hold elections on April 16th.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk
Heh!
Posted by: zombie at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 28, 2015 01:41 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:38 PM (2Aj5D)
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It will end up being many more. Rush has talked about this a couple of times.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 01:41 PM (/HX7u)
Impressive.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:41 PM (ZPrif)
49% tax rates on bonuses. It always surprises Democrat voters.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:41 PM (fwARV)
I can see you really believe that. It would probably be best to close your eyes, anyway.
Posted by: Peter North at January 28, 2015 01:41 PM (bsFjT)
At least we can all feed on the food scraps Seattle residents throw away. And they won't get fined.
Win-Win.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:42 PM (CMkNk)
Is there a new urban definition for the word "blog"?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2015 01:42 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 28, 2015 01:42 PM (Sd++4)
Posted by: Null at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (xjpRj)
He's black? I didn't notice.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:42 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (fwARV)
*sidles over*
Hi. How you doin'?
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:42 PM (mf5HN)
Zombie, I swear some of your comments read like blog posts. You should
set up a wordpress account or something and then you could have your own
place/space.
zombietime DOT com is zombie's site.
(Unless you were being ironic in which case sorry about that.)
Posted by: Null at January 28, 2015 01:43 PM (xjpRj)
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Boehner on defunding DHS: Maybe we'll, uh, sue Obama over executive amnesty instead - Hot Air
http://tinyurl.com/lty5lg9
And so the monthlong "cromnibus" charade, which was premised on the GOP exercising its power of the purse by shutting down Homeland Security if Obama refused to cave on amnesty, ends as we expected -- with a punt.
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Boehner told his conference at a closed-door meeting Tuesday morning that he has a team exploring the best options to challenge last year’s executive action, under which the Homeland Security Department will begin granting legal working status to millions of immigrants, according to sources in the room.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 28, 2015
Careful Mary, you can't call them colored anymore. Just act that Limey actor, Cumbersnatch or whatever.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (2Aj5D)
For Obama's base it's just another way for lazy people to avoid getting a job.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (DXcH1)
Has he finally stopped mentioning it 18 times in every public appearance?
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM (ABcz/)
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Yup. The LIV's would get a really tall flash about that $1500 refund if they have to turn around and write a check for $10,000.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (/HX7u)
I like blonds, brunettes, and redheads. In fact I even like them all mixed up together!
http://tinyurl.com/8wrcqco
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (xWW96)
Impressive.
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Just tell me what he has done. At this point, I'm not even sure I know what Amnestied means. As far as I know, illegal immigrants were living here for years without much fear of deportation. I gather that is still the case. Did he grant them citizenship - no of course not. Did he say they will never be deported? Did he grant them benefits? I want to know what he has actually done besides non-enforcement which was going on for a long time.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (gmeXX)
Hi. How you doin'?
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:42 PM (mf5HN)
Watch out, my Queen. That's not a battleaxe in his pocket!
GET DOWN! EVERYBODY DOWN!
Nearsider's got a......
Oh.
Never mind.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2015 01:46 PM (od1KN)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 28, 2015 01:40 PM
And raptors gamboling about.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 01:46 PM (knoK7)
And fuck Fredo sideways with a 2 by 4.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2015 01:46 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (DXcH1)
Don't forget me!
Posted by: Pell Grants at January 28, 2015 01:46 PM (GqEzX)
GET DOWN! EVERYBODY DOWN!
Nearsider's got a......
Oh.
Never mind.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2015 01:46 PM (od1KN)
Well, there I go getting aspiration pneumonia from Diet Coke. Again.
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:47 PM (mf5HN)
I'm not excusing it, but he basically made a big speech about what he was already doing anyway.
We'll have to see what happens eventually, but many were saying everyone was going to get formally pardoned and made citizens overnight.
I really think Republicans could make hay with this, but unfortunately too many in charge buy into the "Latinos now decide elections" bullshit meme.
Just the other day, a deferred deportation murdered someone in my state.
Posted by: McAdams at January 28, 2015 01:47 PM (MZF/o)
Posted by: Jukin at January 28, 2015 01:48 PM (WGm5T)
And fuck Fredo sideways with a 2 by 4.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2015 01:46 PM (nzKvP)
Off to the lumber yard and the theatre. Not necessarily in that order!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:48 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 01:47 PM (mf5HN)
Zero calories!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2015 01:48 PM (od1KN)
At the very least, he removed the Sword of Damocles.
Before, they had to fear deportation. Maybe not much, but some. That had an effect on their behavior.
Now, with his "instruction" to DHS not to deport, he has essentially removed that fear. That will change their behavior, and not in a way that is good for American civil society.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 01:48 PM (M1uf/)
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Well, you obviously are just a liar now. The legal working documents being handed out to millions, which I just posted above. And which you damn well know about. And could google within a few secons.
I was pretty sure you'd always been a liar, now I'm positive.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (ZPrif)
You forgot to put Comma as my middle name.
Posted by: Cooper, Bradley at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (Qs8ZN)
Want to know something he could do TODAY???
Obama is using a Taxpayer funded group to interfere in the Israeli election. They have hired former Obama staff to try to get Bibi out of Office.
Pass a F'n Law that say no taxpayer money can be used to interfere in Israel's Elections.
Even if Obama vetos the damn thing... it would shed light on how he is interfering in the elections of our Allies.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (qh617)
Not scrolling thru 300+ just to drop this here w/o checking how many have already said this, but anyone else noticing a return to "full Clinton" activity from this WH?
(the so called trial balloons were a regular tactic back in the day - but never go "full Clinton")
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (da5Wo)
My question - was did Obama ever actually follow-through on what he threatened to do? And if so, how and through what?
He may very well have. I would like to know how.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (gmeXX)
Has he finally stopped mentioning it 18 times in every public appearance?
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (ZKzrr)
He's not black. He's red.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (gmeXX)
That was something I noticed also. And I think I made the comment that if I were an employer I would be very careful because Obama's promises tend to have an expiration date and unless you are a billionaire donor to OFA you could end up in a world of trouble. Those laws were never repealed or altered.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (hLRSq)
Help! Help! You're being repressed!
Posted by: Dennis the Peasant at January 28, 2015 01:50 PM (JO9+V)
Off to the lumber yard and the theatre. Not necessarily in that order!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:48 PM (CMkNk)
Was that a treated 2" x 4"?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:50 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (ZPrif)
Like much of the Left.... purposefully unenlightened...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 01:50 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 28, 2015 01:50 PM (Y92Nd)
March 3 at 11am. Bibi addresses Joint Session.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (da5Wo)
He should invite al-Sisi, Lech Walesa, Steven Harper, the Ukrainian prexy and every other leader whose country is in the Islamo-Leftist crosshairs.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:51 PM (CMkNk)
Has he finally stopped mentioning it 18 times in every public appearance?
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 01:44 PM (ZKzrr)
He's not black. He's red.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:49 PM (CMkNk
Indians are living proof.
Oh never mind.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:51 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 01:51 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: 1 5/8 x 3 5/8 at January 28, 2015 01:51 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 28, 2015 01:52 PM (XzRw1)
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Well, you obviously are just a liar now. The legal working documents being handed out to millions, which I just posted above. And which you damn well know about. And could google within a few secons.
I was pretty sure you'd always been a liar, now I'm positive.
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Don't call me a liar. I asked an honest question and I read the article you posted. It said he was going to hand out visas, but to my understanding he has not done that. I admit I could be wrong on this. But others on this board have a somewhat similar understanding to me.
So don't call me a liar. I haven't lied about anything. I've always enjoyed debating with you, but you are making this way too personal for any kind of enjoyment.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 01:52 PM (gmeXX)
Err... no. No one I saw said that.
Some amnesty apologists claimed that amnesty opponents were saying that, but no one actually said it.
What we *did* say was that any amnesty, even one that tries to declare illegals as specifically not citizens, will lead to their citizenship.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 01:52 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 28, 2015 01:52 PM (DXzRD)
Tanned, rested, and ready!
Posted by: Zombie Agamemnon at January 28, 2015 01:53 PM (luj3F)
Posted by: Trunk Monkey at January 28, 2015 01:53 PM (fLKzW)
*insert old Karen Carpenter/Cass Elliot joke here*
And I think I'll get a Big Gulp. At 7/11.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 01:53 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Barakahnaten 1 at January 28, 2015 01:54 PM (6/J77)
Posted by: Peter North at January 28, 2015 01:55 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 01:50 PM (2Aj5D)
Treated very nicely.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:55 PM (CMkNk)
Of all of the faux-"conservatives" out there, it's THAT word before THAT name that makes me laugh till my sides hurt.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 01:55 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:55 PM (bsFjT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 28, 2015 01:55 PM (+eQyZ)
Why do you think those of us who are self employed tend to be rather, well, let's just say "not too fond of overly large government"?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 01:56 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2015 01:56 PM (nzKvP)
Ahem.
Posted by: 1 5/8 x 3 5/8
Ah, a follower of the Lowe's lawsuit, I see...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 01:56 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 28, 2015 01:58 PM (DXzRD)
He is no longer enforcing illegals having to leave...
and IS in the process of giving them work permits...
While not giving them, or employers, amnesty from breaking the law...
Illegals, and those who employ them, even WITH this work permit... are still breaking the law... because the LAW was not changed... just not enforced.
Its like the Illegals getting drivers licenses in Calif... its illegal to aid and abet an illegal to stay in the US.... and the State of Calif is doing so... blatantly.
Just because Eric Holder will not say anything... it does not make it legal..... or moral...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 01:58 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:59 PM (bsFjT)
Who cares about those morons?
Posted by: Vicinni at January 28, 2015 01:59 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:59 PM (CMkNk)
No, I think plenty conservatives overstated what Obama was going to do . Being a doomsdayer is never out of fashion on our side of the aisle.
I think Obama no doubt wanted to basically blanket amnesty all of these people but was convinced he couldn't legally do it so they just pretended to do it anyway.
I'm a border hawk across the board, so I'm not trying to minimize the damage, I still think it's the stuff of banana republics to pick and choose what laws to enforce as punishment for not getting the bill you want, but I also think it's reversible overnnight with a new President.
If these people were truly granted any sort of amnesty, you couldn't take it away so easily.
The smart illegals and businesses will go nowhere near it because there's no formal law to back it up and Obama is gone in less than 2 years.
Posted by: McAdams at January 28, 2015 02:00 PM (MZF/o)
Have not heard.... did he bow to the new Saudi King?
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 02:00 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 28, 2015 02:00 PM (+eQyZ)
I don't really care about them. I was just noting their stupidity.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 28, 2015 02:00 PM (DXzRD)
Obama's answer.."because we don't want to appear to be interfering in another country's elections".
Yes, because any high profile leader of a country should stop meeting all the other heads of state or leaders months before their elections....lest they look too much like a leader to their countrymen.
Only Obama would come up with a bald faced lie that is ridiculous on it's face, but in which he speaks with such seriousness.
Posted by: Jen the original at January 28, 2015 02:00 PM (peLB8)
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 28, 2015 02:01 PM (8MjqI)
I should have them over for dinner.
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 28, 2015 02:01 PM (bsFjT)
Actually escorting them from the border to the city of their choice, and investing millions in new temporary/transitional housing for them.
These would be all of those "unaccompanied minors" who are primarily men a/k/a gang and cartel members pretending to be minors.
Also DoE is forcing public schools to educate them.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 02:02 PM (ABcz/)
Love to see him tell a whopper like that in church. I wouldn't want to be close to him as the lightning bolt strikes.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 02:02 PM (2Aj5D)
He is no longer enforcing illegals having to leave...
and IS in the process of giving them work permits...
While not giving them, or employers, amnesty from breaking the law...
Illegals, and those who employ them, even WITH this work permit... are still breaking the law... because the LAW was not changed... just not enforced.
Its like the Illegals getting drivers licenses in Calif... its illegal to aid and abet an illegal to stay in the US.... and the State of Calif is doing so... blatantly.
Just because Eric Holder will not say anything... it does not make it legal..... or moral...
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I don't think any of his predecessors were doing that great a job at enforcing the legal requirements. I agree that by announcing you will not enforce something that does send a different message than simply non enforcing. I'm really not sure on the work visas. I do not know enough about that and if he is actually doing it.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 02:02 PM (gmeXX)
Gaylord thinks saying such gives him plausible deniability as his Plumbers work in Israel to defeat Bibi. Alas a game of Minesweeper is more Machiavellian than the teachers lounge barrister we have as President.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 28, 2015 02:02 PM (+eQyZ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 01:59 PM (CMkNk)
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It's close. Try 40+ years. They were fracking in OK back in the 70's.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 02:03 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 28, 2015 02:01 PM (8MjqI
Polyp?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 02:03 PM (2Aj5D)
Even if they were that's still no reason for them to have not commented on the indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere. *snicker*
Posted by: HR needs donuts at January 28, 2015 02:03 PM (ZKzrr)
While not giving them, or employers, amnesty from breaking the law...
IIRC, a work permit will provide cover for the employer, at least. All the employer has to show is that they made a good-faith effort to determine that the worker is here legally. Since a work permit (by law) shall only be issued to legal aliens, proof of a work permit would be proof of that good-faith effort.
What's really going to suck is when a Republican gets into office. Because that Republican is going to face this choice: continue the not-amnesty-amnesty (and tick off the Republican base to boot) OR revoke every work permit issued between when the SCOAMT issued his not-amnesty-amnesty and Inauguration Day 2017 (or whenever a Republican finally gets elected).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:03 PM (M1uf/)
...good lord, Ericson is an awful radio host.
Posted by: Garrett at January 28, 2015 01:59 PM (bsFjT)
He's a RINO scrote licker.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 28, 2015 02:04 PM (XzRw1)
I think Obama no doubt wanted to basically blanket amnesty all of these people but was convinced he couldn't legally do it so they just pretended to do it anyway.
I'm a border hawk across the board, so I'm not trying to minimize the damage, I still think it's the stuff of banana republics to pick and choose what laws to enforce as punishment for not getting the bill you want, but I also think it's reversible overnnight with a new President.
If these people were truly granted any sort of amnesty, you couldn't take it away so easily.
The smart illegals and businesses will go nowhere near it because there's no formal law to back it up and Obama is gone in less than 2 years.
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That is what I think. I'm sure Costanza will call us both out on it.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 02:04 PM (gmeXX)
Fixed
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 28, 2015 02:04 PM (bsFjT)
Did they also show his answer to Fareed's question about drones?
That one really showcased Obama's grasp of the obvious and ability to say nothing of value for minutes just to hear the sound of his own voice.
Hubby said, "That guy could move a seagull off of a dumpster - just so that it could stop having to listen to him!"
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 02:05 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: eleven at January 28, 2015 02:05 PM (L30zb)
because we don't want to appear to be interfering in another country's elections".
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Other than using the State Department to try and rally opposition to Netanyahu
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 02:05 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 28, 2015 02:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:07 PM (M1uf/)
Yeah lemme think about that..Ah FUCK NO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2015 02:07 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:07 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: Harriet Johnson at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (akHM/)
In a sane world, that would spell the end of her nomination.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:03 PM (M1uf/)
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What would assuage much of that would be to close the border. Then worry about who's already here.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (+eQyZ)
"Here's a bill that confiscates 100% of everyone's 529 plans, assesses penalties on those who had them, & jails their children without trial. Sign it, you grovelling cocksucker."
Posted by: Fredrick of Mecury at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (MbqmP)
Posted by: eleven at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (L30zb)
Posted by: DaveA at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (27KAF)
Wait... so because YOU have not done any research.... because YOU don't know about it...
It isn't happening???
Time and again on this, and other threads, you voice an uninformed opinion... even say you don't know... but still express an opinion?
And then argue with others, who HAVE done their research...
There are these neat programs... google... bing... Yahoo.... might want to get familiar with them...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 02:09 PM (qh617)
Loretta Lynch, said on Wednesday during a Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing that she thinks illegal aliens have the same right to work in America as American citizens do.
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So by definition, she is disqualified for the job.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 28, 2015 02:09 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (M1uf/)
A sane world? Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:08 PM (M1uf/)
Roger, that.
Of course, a nomination from Sir Fourputt should be a disqualifier.
Posted by: Pell Grants at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (GqEzX)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: torabora at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (4Vj3Z)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (bNyu8)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (GqEzX)
Oh, look! Purple clouds!
That one looks like a... it's very interesting.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (M1uf/)
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True. It's all politically correct '2x4' now, i.e., 1 1/2" x 3 1/2"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (vPh3W)
Opposition or disagreement is a "distraction" to these a-holes. Euphemistic we much?
Posted by: Hans Gruber at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (GqEzX)
Please tell me someone asked her is she also believes that illegal aliens have the same right to vote in America as American citizens do.
And if not, why right to work but not vote - on what legal basis does she make this distinction?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Reggie Love at January 28, 2015 01:23 PM (P330y)
A few years ago, a wise commenter on my blog nailed Michelle's default expression as "The Scowl of the Incompetent Supervisor".
Posted by: jwpaine at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (a3NCX)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 28, 2015 02:10 PM (3ZtZW)
I could start singing.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: torabora
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Black privilege?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 28, 2015 02:12 PM (vPh3W)
A little personal insight (from the Mrs. side of the family, which has members here from SoTB legally and er, questionably)...
thru the mid aughts there was a good deal of "fear" - or at least concern - that kept the illegals out of public space. Sure, plenty were still out and about, but just the threat of the INS was enough to send most scattering.
This changed with 42's dialing back - those here began to live quite a bit more "out in the open", but crossing the border was still considered a challenge, and one still did not want to get caught in an overt criminal act - that was a ticket out.
Under O'noway, that all changed. Crossing the border today is a fearless act - except for the occasional drug battles - and one can not just live openly, one can now demand (and receive) the same support structures once reserved for citizens...
It's a different world now.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 02:12 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 28, 2015 02:12 PM (3ZtZW)
Fixed.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:12 PM (M1uf/)
Posted by: navybrat at January 28, 2015 02:13 PM (JgC5a)
www dot cdnnsports dot com
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 02:13 PM (bNyu8)
It may not have been politically smart to say out loud, but just making an environment of self-deporation would be far better than any sort of bureaucratic agency attempting to "round them up".
Also, the Obama Administration has supposedly 2 million or something deportations that it brags about. Obviously these are heavily massaged, but a Republican President could just point to those numbers and keep deporting.
Posted by: McAdams at January 28, 2015 02:13 PM (MZF/o)
Dangit. Missed the whole Asshole President thread.
Oh well, the comments should be good afternoon reading!
Posted by: wth at January 28, 2015 02:14 PM (wAQA5)
I'll just bet if you look really close you'll see that she's so full of shit her eyes are brown.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 28, 2015 02:14 PM (MbqmP)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 02:14 PM (M1uf/)
A belief she shares with the vast overwhelming majority of those living within spitting distance of the Potowmack...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 02:14 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: jwpaine at January 28, 2015 02:11 PM (a3NCX)
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I liked WZ's description yesterday: Stink face.
Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2015 02:15 PM (/HX7u)
http://tinyurl.com/q3pvtyj
The Reason piece on the Vagina Monologues play being canceled Andi Sully quitting blogging.....
it all TIES TOGETHER
the Vaginal Detective is transitioning from blogging to stage.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 02:15 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: DaveA at January 28, 2015 02:18 PM (DL2i+)
Any Republican that extends an Olive Branch needs to be slaughtered in the next primary.
Posted by: McAdams at January 28, 2015 02:18 PM (MZF/o)
It isn't happening???
Time and again on this, and other threads, you voice an uninformed opinion... even say you don't know... but still express an opinion?
And then argue with others, who HAVE done their research...
There are these neat programs... google... bing... Yahoo.... might want to get familiar with them...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 28, 2015 02:09 PM (qh617)
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Sorry didn't realize I had to do a ton of research to voice an opinion on this blog. I said that I do not think Obama has the cojones to pass an executive order on amnesty. Unless you can point me to the order, so far that statement has not been proven accurate.
I said I am unaware of the fact that all these working visas are being issued. Instead of providing evidence that they are (other than a hot air article that is quoting another article) you have failed to show that such visas are being issued.
But just to provide you with some reserach, please see this blaze article from a week ago that indicates that the administration has done nothing of substance so far. They are sill in the planning phase.
I never said Obama would do nothing on immigration. I fully expected him to use his executive discretion on enforcement. Other than announcing that he was going to use it, I'm not sure there is much difference between him and other presidents.
I suggest it is your research that is incorrect. You hear something so surmise it must be true.
I'll await for my apology, but I'm sure it will not be forthcoming.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 02:35 PM (gmeXX)
http://tinyurl.com/nsc4udo
And while I'm at it, I guess I should amend my prior statement as follows:
Unless you can point me to the order, so far that statement has not been proven inaccurate.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2015 02:37 PM (gmeXX)
The disease mixing and direct injection into elementary schools is just a nice bonus feature.
Posted by: Golfing Mengele at January 28, 2015 02:45 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 28, 2015 02:45 PM (iAUf+)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 28, 2015 02:48 PM (BuB4M)
That's because he's also a racist.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 28, 2015 02:48 PM (EPEqj)
Posted by: torabora at January 28, 2015 03:14 PM (4Vj3Z)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 28, 2015 03:15 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 28, 2015 03:25 PM (/0fQX)
"I'll await for my apology, but I'm sure it will not be forthcoming."
I will apologize, but first youmust blow me.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 28, 2015 03:25 PM (NXgNd)
What's he really after?
Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2015 03:28 PM (1Y+hH)
"What's he really after?"
A guess would be private IRAs and 401k plans. Hitlery was bantering about that back in 2008, but that dropped off the wire. What remains of the solvent state public pension plans will probably be devoured as well.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 28, 2015 03:33 PM (NXgNd)
Barky drops proposals like I drop a deuce - every day.
The difference is that I clean up after myself, while Ol' Barkster does not.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 28, 2015 04:44 PM (bWFHa)
It's more like a chimp throwing poo at a wall. If it sticks, fine. I got more poo to throw, anyway. If it doesn't stick, no biggie. I got more poo to throw, anyway. All that's important is that I have poo, and get to throw it.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 28, 2015 05:48 PM (/q6+P)
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at January 28, 2015 06:52 PM (2/oBD)
Obama's mentor preached against the evil of pursing 'middle-classness' saying it was a creation of whites to oppress and co-opt Blacks because the Black Liberation Theology of his church is just thinly veiled Marxism with "Black Africans in diaspora" taking the place of the proletariat, and a veneer of "Christianity" added to make it attractive to Black-Americans...
And now, the GOPe is on board with the Left's war on the middle-class.
Posted by: DrDeano at January 28, 2015 07:01 PM (x18S2)
Posted by: DrDeano at January 28, 2015 07:32 PM (x18S2)
You just figured this out?
When did you graduate CGSC? Did you forget EVERYTHING you learned about Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield (IPB)?
Shheeeesh!
I graduated it in '86. And I've used IPB for all kinds of thinks in all kinds of venues. It's VERY useful.
You collect the 'dots'. You connect the 'dots'. And then you can see the Big Picture.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
LTC, IN (Ret)
Posted by: Chuck Pelto at January 29, 2015 03:34 AM (7BguH)
Posted by: Chuck Pelto at January 29, 2015 03:36 AM (7BguH)
Posted by: ethos at January 29, 2015 05:19 AM (t9c06)
You did not plagiarize at all. Like me, you were simply stating what the marxists and alinsky said about the "middle class." No worries!
Mistress Overdone It
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