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The Expatriate Terrorist Act's Patent Flaws
I wrote about the reintroduced Expatriate Terrorist Act over at National Review. Over there, I write about how the legislation is unconstitutional as proposed and unnecessary anyway. Here, I thought to point out that it's also completely illogical.
Click over and read the short piece so we're on the same page:Representative Steve King and Senators Ted Cruz and Chuck Grassley have reintroduced the Expatriate Terrorist Act, a bill to strip U.S. citizenship from terrorists. The proposal sounds nice in theory, but it is also unconstitutional and unnecessary, the latest in a sad line of civil-liberties infringements justified by politicians trying to look tough in the war on terrorism. Even if the bill did not have these fatal infirmities, it would put the determination of who will retain their citizenship in the hands of unelected bureaucrats at the Departments of Justice, State, and Homeland Security. On that ground alone, all Americans should unite in opposition.As I explained at National Review, to actually revoke someone's citizenship and stay within the bounds of the Fifth Amendment's due process clause and the Fourteenth Amendment's citizenship clause the government bears the burden to demonstrate (1) the expatriating act; and (2) that the person intended to relinquish their citizenship when they committed the expatriating act. Under settled precedent, Congress may designate expatriating acts. The Expatriate Terrorist Act would add membership, training, oaths of allegiance, and material assistance to terrorist organizations to the existing list of expatriating acts. That's not, in itself, the problem with the bill. The problem is that Sen. Cruz claims that the mere act would constitute an "affirmative renunciation" of citizenship such that the government would then not have to also demonstrate the intent to relinquish citizenship. Decades ago, the Supreme Court has held that Congress may not simply do away with the intent requirement in this manner--and for good reason: it would leave the citizenship of all Americans to congressional whim. Fail to pay your taxes? Commit a crime? Without the intent requirement, there's nothing to stop Congress from defining either as expatriating offenses except Congress' own forbearance. Obviously, such a regime is inconsistent with the Constitution and, indeed, the Supreme Court has explained, "the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment, among other things, was to define citizenship; . . . that definition cannot coexist with a congressional power to specify acts that work a renunciation of citizenship even absent an intent to renounce." Thus, for implementation of the Expatriate Terrorist Act to be constitutional, the government would still have to show not only that a citizen-terrorist committed the expatriating act but also the intent to relinquish. Here's the illogical part: a citizen-terrorist who intends to return to the U.S. to wage terrorism will never have the intent to relinquish citizenship. His citizenship is his ticket back into this country to wage war. Of course he's not going to intend to give it up. His citizenship is essential to his plan to come back to this country and kill us! So this bill is not practical at all (aside from being unconstitutional and unnecessary, I mean). I'm sympathetic to the idea of expatriating terrorists. Who wouldn't be? But this legislation is purely symbolic. There's no reason to expect the Expatriate Terrorist Act to actually increase expatriations. There are better ways to stop returning citizen-terrorists.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: RWC - Shopping for Justice! at January 28, 2015 09:14 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:14 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 09:15 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Xylan le Kronlaist at January 28, 2015 09:15 AM (3mhpb)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:15 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 09:15 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:15 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 09:16 AM (l1zOH)
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:16 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:16 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 28, 2015 09:17 AM (HEo6y)
Well, that would be really, really bad. Wait, what?
"The Department of State is responsible for determining the nationality status "
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:17 AM (/jpU8)
You join the pirates you are no longer an American....
I'd prefer we welcome returning Jihadists with bullets in the brainpan, but since our "betters" will not fight the threat with the ferocity it merits it is far better to deny the Jihadist the shield of my fellowship.
I don't think you grasp the chasms developing Gabe...
or rather I think you think those of us who view these chasms should just bite the pillow and accept the pirates in our midst.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:17 AM (/4AZU)
I assume in your parsing of the actual bill, this is not addressed, then.
If only Cruz would visit and rebut, to see where he is coming from. Anyone have his number?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 09:17 AM (IXrOn)
Not sure what expatriation gets us.
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at January 28, 2015 09:17 AM (FA3Z7)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: ALH at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (yAPdC)
The best, it plays great showtunes AND as a bonus is the most moral truck on the block.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (/4AZU)
Yes. A friendly greeting at 3200 ft/sec.
Smile. Wait for flash.
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (doBIb)
Charge them with sedition, treason, and hang the traitors?
We're going to need more lawyers.
Posted by: Xylan le Kronlaist at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (3mhpb)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (IXrOn)
For the record, I agree that enlisting with an army that is engaged in attacking one's country is in fact de facto announcing that one has renounced allegiance to one's own country.
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (MvWlJ)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:19 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 28, 2015 09:19 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 28, 2015 09:17 AM (HEo6y
None of our guys are perfect.
They all have some flaws.
This is a small one.
A big flaw example would be "read my lips no new taxes"
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 09:19 AM (l1zOH)
Perhaps that's why it also includes language about "acts"?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:19 AM (/jpU8)
'Twould be a shame if they got blowed up during a counter-terrorist op, 'twouldn't it?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (2Ojst)
Pretty sure that when you sign up with al Qaeda, the "intent" is pretty much fucking understood.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (PFy0L)
The theory is it prevents successful Jihadi Jims who the King does not choose to use his Majestic Whim on the protections and access to reentry to the nation....
given that the comically non self-aware moonbats cannot stop bugchasing another land war in the Gulf and my spouse may well be being shot at by these fuckers I'd politely like to say if terrorist acts against US personnel carries minimal penalty look for more of it.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (/4AZU)
Yes. A friendly greeting at 3200 ft/sec.
Smile. Wait for flash.
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (doBIb
Transgendered flight attendants
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (l1zOH)
I hope its just wounded and no Israeli was killed.
Israel should burn the Shiite part of Lebanon to the ground and hit the Hezzies in Syria.
The only thing Muslims understand is brute force.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: MTF at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (FCsIb)
And I thought the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment was to force non homosexual bakers to bake wedding cakes for gay nuptial ceremonies.
F#ck, I missed it again.
Posted by: fairweatherbill holding dominion over the nether regions at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (OoHik)
What's that chink doing in my armor? Get him out of there right now!!
Posted by: NYC Parent's Knight at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (MvWlJ)
Posted by: ALH at January 28, 2015 09:21 AM (yAPdC)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:21 AM (TOk1P)
that is engaged in attacking one's country is in fact de facto
announcing that one has renounced allegiance to one's own country.
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (MvWlJ)
By the written constitution it is an act of treason. The last person who was prosecuted for that was Tokyo Rose and she was innocent.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:21 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: PPs43 at January 28, 2015 09:21 AM (gs8t9)
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 28, 2015 09:22 AM (HEo6y)
Execute them the moment they return.
Self-cleaning oven.
Got any new brownie recipes, Gabe?
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:22 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM (MvWlJ)
You too?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:22 AM (doBIb)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:22 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 28, 2015 09:23 AM (lG2E3)
Posted by: dogfish at January 28, 2015 09:23 AM (1vYi0)
Nah it's a lot like the Civil War....
I'm pretty sure that amnesty was just "raise your hand and say I want back in"....
or was it more akin to having to swear fealty and suffer consequences?
You don't get to go feral and then just come back in....
"I calmed down SWEARSIES"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (HEo6y)
I hope Israel burns South Lebanon to the ground.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (ftVQq)
I call it my Barack Obama flight attitude indicator....
if Ogabe wants it I don't...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (/4AZU)
*Delegation Doctrine ragetwitch*
Posted by: alexthechick - My preeecciiiooouuusss at January 28, 2015 09:24 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:25 AM (C6QoT)
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 28, 2015 09:25 AM (HEo6y)
Yes, I think the legal precedent is with a drone strike.
Posted by: no good deed at January 28, 2015 09:25 AM (w3a0Z)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:25 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:26 AM (C6QoT)
Posted by: MTF at January 28, 2015 09:20 AM
Me, I'd leave out the word "successfully."
I find Gabe's argument unconvincing, to say the least. There comes a point when you, the American citizen, give up all your rights, and I'd say enlisting/working with an enemy is it.
Choom Boy disagrees with me. But then I'd apply the exact same criterion to him.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 09:26 AM (P8YHq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 09:26 AM (M1uf/)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 09:26 AM (M1uf/)
Posted by: NYC Parent at January 28, 2015 09:27 AM (HEo6y)
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:25 AM (C6QoT)
Me too.
I seem to remember other questions about if I ever tried to overthrow legitimate governments, commit acts of terror, and even one about if I ever was a prostitute or pimp.
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:27 AM (doBIb)
This was a point of contention between Lincoln and the harsher factions of his Administration. Some demanded rather severe punishment. In the end, it pretty much came down to loyalty oaths.
I believe Lee was one of the first to get on board with it, and lots others fell in line.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:28 AM (TOk1P)
Btw, I'm pretty sure that when I took the oath to become a naturalized
citizen, taking up arms against the USA was one of the big no-nos I
promised not to do.
Yeah, see that's the drawback of doing things the right and legal way.
Border jumpers --re, "dreamers" have so such oath. Not that a terrorist would have a problem lying under oath, but it's like we've given up all expectation that they'll even try to be citizens. Just undocumented opportunists.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 09:28 AM (ABcz/)
All of these bureaucratic acts are subject to abuse.
Aaaand this is what puts me on Team Gabe for this one.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 09:28 AM (JtwS4)
I agree. As soon as they set foot on U.S. soil, try them for treason and execute them.
Posted by: rickl at January 28, 2015 09:29 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:27 AM
Come on, EC, you know the politicians don't want to be importing competition.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:29 AM (knoK7)
"it would put the determination of who will retain their citizenship in the hands of unelected bureaucrats at the Departments of Justice, State, and Homeland Security."
I recall someone is usually pretty enthusiastic about unelected bureaucrats and elected Presidents doing exactly that -- when it come to illegal aliens.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 09:30 AM (kdS6q)
All of these bureaucratic acts are subject to abuse.
Aaaand this is what puts me on Team Gabe for this one.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 20
The State Department is currently in charge of this.
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:30 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:29 AM (knoK7)
I know.
Pimpin' ain't easy!
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:30 AM (doBIb)
I assure you the left feels the same about US....
I am not advocating it for "secular" domestic political disagreement, but if you join the Jihadis you are not an American....
Nidal Hasan *should* have been summarily executed like the Vietnam coup de grace photo that wildly misstated what had happened...
we are in conflict with political and religious terrorists we can't "credit" with their motives who exist to murder as many as they can when they go feral...
http://tinyurl.com/nakuyjv
This pic is how you treat terrorists...
http://tinyurl.com/6l4v3d
Nguyen Ngoc Loan
I thought the right had settled on this...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:31 AM (/4AZU)
This is what can get a "naturalized" citizen stripped:
Be convicted of an act of treason against the United States. Treason
is a serious crime that will inevitably lead to the revocation of your
U.S. citizenship and may possibly lead to some jail time. Treason is any
act that undermines or destroys the United States and its Constitution
on behalf of a foreign country or any organized group.
Hold a policy-level position in a foreign country. Holding a position
as an ambassador, cabinet minister or other government official
involved in the decision-making process of a foreign country may lead to
the revocation of your citizenship. You may, however, work for
government organizations as long as you are not directly involved in
policy making.
Serve in the armed forces of a foreign country in conflict with the
United States. However, participating in your native country's military
forces is generally permitted, provided that you are not an officer or a
non-commissioned officer (sergeant rank or higher), and that your
native country is not at war with the United States.
4
Lie during the naturalization process. Deliberately withholding or
misrepresenting information during any part of the naturalization
process can lead to a cancellation of your Certificate of Naturalization
and a revocation of your U.S. citizenship. It is also important to note
that committing the same actions while obtaining your permanent
residency can lead to the same results, provided that the INS can prove
wrongdoing within five years of when you obtained your green card. After
the five-year window elapses, the INS can only revoke your citizenship
if these actions were committed during the naturalization process.
5
Refuse to testify before Congress regarding subversive activities.
Refusing to testify before Congress within 10 years of naturalization
can lead to a revocation of your U.S. citizenship per the request of the
Attorney General. Subversive activities are not well-defined, but
include spying and participating in a terrorist organization. On the
other hand, agreeing to testify before Congress may still lead to the
loss of citizenship if your testimony leads to your conviction for
treason.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:31 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 09:31 AM (wmrFg)
Yeah I recall Gabe being real torn up on Amigo grande and the Men and Women in Black overreaching....
we live in a Fiat nation bud...
gonna happen to you and me sooner or later anyway.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:32 AM (/4AZU)
In that when you don't trust the 'officials in charge to be just'
But i do find it odd we can than drone an american depending on Who is in charge.
which takes me back to officials are Just? or Just make rules as they go along..
----
But Gabe says this; "There's no reason to expect the Expatriate Terrorist Act to actually increase expatriations. There are better ways to stop returning citizen-terrorists"
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:32 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:32 AM (MQEz6)
Hm, lawyer vs lawyer, who to believe, Ted Cruz or Gabe. Quite a conu drum
For the record, I agree that enlisting with an army that is engaged
in attacking one's country is in fact de facto announcing that one has
renounced allegiance to one's own country.
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 09:18 AM (MvWlJ)"
Actually it falls within the narrow definition of treason given in the Constitution.
Article 3, Section 3
1: Treason against the United States, shall
consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their
Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be
convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to
the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
2: The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of
Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person
attainted.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 09:33 AM (KDbAT)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:33 AM (TOk1P)
"There are better ways to stop returning citizen-terrorists"
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow
Self deportation? That still a thing?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 09:34 AM (kdS6q)
as opposed to "harmful", a term that describes most other legislation...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:34 AM (/jpU8)
lol
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:35 AM (nqBYe)
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow
Self deportation? That still a thing?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 09:34 AM (kdS6q)
High speed rail.
$25,000 school vouchers.
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:35 AM (doBIb)
Quite but having engaged in an action that ran into enmity with America they were in fact compelled to swear fealty and non-hostility....
"Here's your passport Mr. Smith and welcome home"
//Idiot Moonbat
"My name is Abdullah Hussein and I am only home because the food THERE sucked and I have work to do here"
//Tyrell Smith aka Abdullah Hussein
Some things are a big enough deal they should carry consequence, if not lethal on the battlefield then detrimental to life.
Choose to place Jihad over Civics LIVE sans Civic cover.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:35 AM (/4AZU)
Today we have Gabe.
That's like expecting a delicious cheeseburger and getting a Michelle Obama lunch.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 09:35 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:30 AM (doBIb)
I've heard it's fun, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 28, 2015 09:35 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 09:35 AM (sPUah)
I believe Lee was one of the first to get on board with it, and lots others fell in line.
Josey Wales didn't.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 09:36 AM (wmrFg)
Help ISIS battle Syrian troops---->Can't deny them their rights. Let them back in.
Help Kurds liberate Kobane---->We got us a traitor. Hang em.
Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 28, 2015 09:36 AM (YCG8H)
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow
Let me count the ways...
.30 caliber,
.223 caliber,
.50 caliber,
.38 caliber,
.45 caliber,
etc.
Shall I go on?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:36 AM (/jpU8)
the Expatriate Terrorist Act to actually increase expatriations. There
are better ways to stop returning citizen-terrorists"
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:32 AM
Gabe hasn't thought past that cop-out line yet. Sadly, it's a typical line for the sanctimonious do-gooders.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 09:36 AM (P8YHq)
The survivors will be really good at catching seagulls.
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (nqBYe)
Hope Willow....we rely on hope.
Because I sure as hell know we are not going to start prosecuting people for ties to Radical Islam....
half of Gabe's peer group in the DC class would go to jail.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (/4AZU)
Dude stop play acting with your anti Latino crap. In real life you don't hate anyone.
You are better than these xenophobes here.
This is not the cool crowd.
I hope all is well with you this morning.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (9cXD/)
You want Filet.
You order Steak.
You get mystery meat...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (/jpU8)
Or would that be too mean?
Just asking for the remaining Tsarnaev....
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (ABcz/)
The survivors will be really good at catching seagulls.
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (MQEz6)
Does NASA have any spacesuits that need testing?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:38 AM (doBIb)
Posted by: Smooty-Smoot Smoottermanjensen at January 28, 2015 09:38 AM (4uxf8)
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow
Carbon tax.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:38 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: DC Power Party at January 28, 2015 09:38 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 09:38 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:39 AM (7ObY1)
catching them crossing the wide open borders? or after they planted a bomb and couldn't start their car after videoing their results?
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:39 AM (nqBYe)
1) Whatever Courts have held does not "settle the science" on what is Constitutional. The Constitution decides what is Constitutional, and it says that Congress gets to decide matters of citizenship.
2) I can sort of accept the "slippery slope" argument (and I think there's a great deal of iron in it, coming from Gabe), but it misses a point: American Citizenship is a privilege, not a Right. As such, it is subject (as are all privileges) to revocation at the decision of the granting entity (namely: the United States government).
So... I do not agree that the law would be Unconstitutional.
That settled, it pretty well destroys the "illogical" part. Indeed, it turns it completely around. Of *course* a US Citizen joining a terror network would want to retain his citizenship. That's a really, really good reason not to let him.
Additionally, I do not think the point is primarily "the returning citizen terrorist." There are huge 4th & 5th amendment issues with drone-strikes on US Citizens, even on foreign soil. When a US Citizen heads Yemen (just to pick a spot) to become a terrorist, he *may* plan on coming back to the US, or he may plan on staying over there. If he comes back, sure, he's within the reach of the Law, and can be handled as such. But if he doesn't, then he is outside the reach of our laws; how do we handle that?
Now, I do not *know* that the Expatriate Terrorist act is the best way to handle these issues (both returning "citizen" terrorists and citizens who choose to be terrorists overseas), but I also do not know that it *isn't.*
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 09:39 AM (M1uf/)
Yeah, that's the cute part. Some people seem to actually believe that their "discussions" and "thoughts" matter.
As if.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:39 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:39 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:39 AM (7ObY1)
All chick Ghostbusters?
Lemme guess, one black, one Asian, one gay. And a feisty Latino who does lots of pushups, and doesn't take no guff from nobody, living or dead.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (TOk1P)
Oh I hope this one includes at least one crapping in public scene (just like Bridesmaids) - that's never not funny, huh?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (ABcz/)
Yector you need to read more closely...
It's me Sven and you're right I don't hate anyone in real life I want them safe at home.
This is my main PC handle...
and Yector go get the shine box and fu*k a chainsaw.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (/4AZU)
(Stares dejectedly at his tofu and kale curry bowl.)
Posted by: fairweatherbill holding dominion over the nether regions at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (OoHik)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (doBIb)
They refloated the Costa Concordia.
Bet we could get her cheap.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (fL+1V)
Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (9cXD/)
the hector or whatever fool has been banned I aint's got's time for its shit
Posted by: ace
Co-blogs, do your duty.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (kdS6q)
What are the ways?
Posted by: willow
Sternly-worded letters.
Duh.
Posted by: Squirrel at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (FFqaj)
Posted by: Grabthar's Hammer at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (2ZJfW)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (0eidE)
Hey Vasquez - has anyone ever mistaken you for a man?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:32 AM (nqBYe)
I am very interested in that list!
Posted by: Bowe Bergdoll at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (ftVQq)
I hope your Mom did a good job licking that peanut butter off your rear-entry. You don't want mud-butt during your shift at the truck stop.
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Thatch at January 28, 2015 09:41 AM (m/nBa)
How about this for a f*cking idea? Stop passing laws until at least half of those currently on the books are repealed!
Posted by: KG at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM (uDCdI)
Posted by: Middle Class at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM (TzeLs)
Did someone say mens rea upthread?
If expatriation is an administrative matter, without the presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc., are we really OK with that?
I'm not.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 09:37 AM (ABcz/)
He was a naturalized citizen and is already subject to being stripped. But in any case, on conviction of his current charges within time MA will get to execute him unless they get a limp dk gov who will pardon him.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM (wlDny)
Yeah. I don't like more laws in general, and I especially don't like laws that empower unelected drones.
Also, yeah, Chris Pratt can do Indy, and do it well. I remember Harrison Ford playing Hans Solo, a very similar character to Peter Quill.
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 09:43 AM (xWW96)
This.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 09:43 AM (M1uf/)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:43 AM (7ObY1)
You love living in am echo chamber.
So much hate in your heart. Sigh.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 09:43 AM (PFy0L)
My problem with this, regardless of who is right, is that this is yet *another* law, cuz we MUST DO SOMETHING.
Cruz has disappointed me on this one.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (XzRw1)
Lemme guess, one
black, one Asian, one gay. And a feisty Latino who does lots of pushups,
and doesn't take no guff from nobody, living or dead.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:40 AM (TOk1P)
Darn it, one more movie I don't need to see since you summarized the entire film in one paragraph!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (ftVQq)
Hint: Who decides what organizations are "terrorist"?
Yeah, no Sen. Cruz. This is a Very Bad Idea.
I repeat my refrain: If your solution to a problem is yet another law, it's a bad solution...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (DT3rQ)
Assuming that State (as in Dept. of) has this nation's best interests at heart:
"The State Department hosted a delegation of Muslim Brotherhood aligned leaders this week for a meeting about their ongoing efforts to oppose the current government of Egypt"
(from The Free Beacon)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (/jpU8)
I love living in pm echo chambers as well, you used condom of a so-called "man."
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (7ObY1)
Josey Wales didn't.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 09:36 AM (wmrFg)
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You mean the Outlaw Josie Wales, or the guy who worked in the Chinese laundry?
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (9cXD/)
.30 caliber,
.223 caliber,
.50 caliber,
.38 caliber,
.45 caliber,
etc.
Shall I go on?Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:36 AM (/jpU
The problem is that the left has made every effort to prevent us from eliminating these assholes without jumping through numerous hoops. What they want is to turn American jihadis into protective totems that prevent any military action. Want to bomb that ISIS command center? Oops, you can't because one of the members working there is a US citizen.Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (YQ4mh)
If Gabe's against it, it's axiomatic that it must be good for the country.
==========
Time was, things were different.
Who changed?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (5yHi1)
Posted by: Baldy at January 28, 2015 09:44 AM (+35FH)
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2015 09:45 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 28, 2015 09:45 AM (DT3rQ)
Typical Fascist who can't stand different views.
So much hate in your heart. Sigh.
Posted by: @JohnTant
"Toothless Serb Syndrome"
It's a thing.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2015 09:45 AM (kdS6q)
It sucks being an isolated shut in.
I would feel sorry, but tea party/socons are just angry hateful assholes.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:45 AM (9cXD/)
If you can prosecute someone for child prostitution in Bangkok, you can prosecute them for decapitations in Syria.
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (06U11)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (0eidE)
Cruz is just using the tea part/socons to get power. Read his background, he is a Bushy.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:47 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:47 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:47 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: Baldy at January 28, 2015 09:47 AM (+35FH)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:47 AM (9cXD/)
charges within time MA will get to execute him unless they get a limp dk
gov who will pardon him. Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM
Vic, I could be wrong -- there's always a first time! -- but I think Joker T. is being tried on federal charges, as MA doesn't do death penalties.
So Choom Boy would have to pardon him, not our Head Doofus, Chahlie Bakuh.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 09:48 AM (P8YHq)
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:48 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Don't vorry, be Hoppy! at January 28, 2015 09:48 AM (fL+1V)
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 28, 2015 09:49 AM (3ZtZW)
But the offending organizations must be defined in law. ISIS may already be. If not, we should get on it. I know AQ is.
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:49 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Don't Worry, Suck Penis at January 28, 2015 09:49 AM (7ObY1)
I thought it was cute he busted it out on me as a start...
enough distraction...
Jihadi Jim needs harmed by whatever means necessary under law.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:49 AM (/4AZU)
The fact is Clinton and Obama beat the Bushes in job creation.
You can push the Congress crap all you want, but its the President who gets the credit with the public.
That is why Obama's rating are up.
You lose.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:49 AM (9cXD/)
http://tinyurl.com/pjrtm5p
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:49 AM (0eidE)
>>>Not sure what expatriation gets us.
I think it just avoids the bad press from droning a citizen, mr Hobojerk
Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at January 28, 2015 09:50 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 28, 2015 09:50 AM (YCG8H)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:50 AM (/jpU8)
This.
Posted by: AllenG
What about enlisting in an organization that is at war with everyone, that no one recognizes officially, and is not allied with any country?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 09:50 AM (wmrFg)
Posted by: Don't Worry, Suck Penis at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM (7ObY1)
So Choom Boy would have to pardon him, not our Head Doofus, Chahlie Bakuh.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 09:48 AM
You are correct, sir! You may continuing digging out from ZOMGSnowmaggedon!!1!! now.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM (0eidE)
Conversely, the Republican House has presided over an almost 10 Million job increase since 2011.
So combining the two figures, Republicans +16M jobs, Democrats -8M.
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM (evdj2)
to being stripped. But in any case, on conviction of his current charges
within time MA will get to execute him unless they get a limp dk gov
who will pardon him.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:42 AM (wlDny)"
Does Massachusetts still have the death penalty on the books? If so, what is the method of execution? Old age?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM (KDbAT)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:52 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:52 AM (7ObY1)
Which part? The House? Senate? State Houses? State Senates? State Governorships?
C'mon man, make a prediction and stand with it!
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:52 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 28, 2015 09:52 AM (06U11)
Law of the Sea...
They walk the plank.
Now it's true a lawyer will blanche and say "but precedent we don't do it that way ANYMORE" and it's true we don't....
but we did and it is no less moral than "catch and release"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:52 AM (/4AZU)
Points at scoreboard.
Since 2008
Republicans +2 Houses of Congress, +8 Governors, +33 State Legislative Chambers.
Democrats retained Presidency.
The voters see more than you.
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:52 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:53 AM (/jpU8)
Then out of the clear blue sky a Hellfire missile settles the question, and little is said. No judge or jury, just a second lieutenant with a nod from TFG and the job is done with the right click on the mouse pad.
An amazing time we live in.
Posted by: fairweatherbill holding dominion over the nether regions at January 28, 2015 09:53 AM (OoHik)
The ONLY MA approved method of execution...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 09:53 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:53 AM (doBIb)
How about you go back to your North European home?
Most Latinos were born here or came here legally.
Many Latinos know how to use guns.
Good luck with ethnic cleansing, because your intended victim will shoot back.
You and I know Latinos will not be ethnically cleansed from this country.
Stop your online act.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:54 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 28, 2015 09:54 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:54 AM (evdj2)
Like I said, it's cute that some will get their panties bunched over this sort of thing as if it makes a difference...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:54 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:54 AM (0eidE)
Illegal aliens?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:53 AM (doBIb)
There are... cleaning out the Jefferies tube
Posted by: MikeH at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: Zombie Joe Strummer at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (7ObY1)
Congress has no power under the Constitution to revoke a person's U.S.
citizenship unless he voluntarily relinquishes it. In particular,
citizenship may not be revoked as a consequence of voting in a foreign
election.
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (wlDny)
rather doughy, like he would struggle to bench press 70 lbs, or
something to that effect.I
guess it matters, when it comes to Presidentialness. I don't much
care, I doubt Cruz will ever be President, and as it is now he gets
all the right people to foam at the mouth in opposition to him. Which
of course is extraordinarily valuable these days, because so few
elected officials do.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM
We tried to put it back on the books a few years back, but my former rep switched his vote at the last second and killed it. At the time, it had popular support, but not legislative support. These days, you probably couldn't even get popular support for it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (knoK7)
How do you know this?
Latinos can look like anything.
You have a big mouth online, but in real life you are just a white trash coward.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (9cXD/)
There are, from what I can tell, two issues that Cruz is trying to address.
1- Jihad Joe goes to Yemen to learn to build IEDs. Then he "comes home." How do you stop him?
2- Jihad Joe goes to Yemen to enlist with AQ and kill people in the sandbox. How do you stop him?
With #1, as long as he's a US Citizen, there's not much you can do until he has actively committed some crime. And you're unlikely to stop him at the airport, so "some crime" is probably going to be "setting off a bomb."
If he's *not* a US Citizen (as in: officially not), then it gets easier to prevent him from entering the country in the first place.
With #2, the problem is even a little more difficult. Considering we have refused (for some reason I cannot fathom) to officially list AQ and other terror networks as Enemies of the State, simply joining AQ is not (technically) treason (IIRC). It should be, but I don't think it currently is.
Now, we can't send cops over to arrest him, and we're not going to tell our troops to look for him specifically. OTOH, we might (because we have before) order a drone strike. But that carries a whole lot of 4th & 5th Amendment issues. Unless he is not a citizen, in which case: fire away.
Now, again, I'm not sold on this bill. I do tend to think that we can achieve the same results without a new bill. And I'm much *more* sympathetic to the "how easy would this be to abuse" argument than I am "it's Unconstitutional." And "it's illogical" is only if you first accept the "it's Unconstitutional" argument.
But the issues it is attempting to address are real, and they need to be addressed in some affirmative fashion.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (M1uf/)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:55 AM (7ObY1)
How 'bout you "latinos" taking a hike as well, then.
My ancestors were here long before the first syllable of Spanish was heard on these shores.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (/jpU8)
Semi-related. There's a thing in Germany called "Pegida" that's pretty controversial. It's an anti-Islamicization movement.
They have demonstrations and counterdemonstrations involving tens of thousands of people.
So, our State Department has just issued a travel advisory, urging Americans in Germany to avoid large crowds in cities where a Pegida protest has been announced.
I am not aware of any violence or injuries involving Pegida or anti-Pegida demonstrations to date.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (doBIb)
How do you know this?
Latinos can look like anything.
You have a big mouth online, but in real life you are just a white trash coward.
I'm not white, tardboy
You lose.
Posted by: Citizen X at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (NHtMs)
----
That's for sure. Your wife, for instance, has hands like Andre the Giant, and an Adam's Apple that's twice the size of her balls.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (PFy0L)
Now imagine this asshole or someone like it with the cover of a law like this. "He joined designated terrorist organization Tea Party Patriots, the drone strike on the outskirts of Omaha was legit..."
Yeah, no.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (DT3rQ)
You are paler that Casper, who you kidding.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Ricardo Monteban at January 28, 2015 09:57 AM (XzRw1)
Limp dick progressive gov in MA? Never happen.
I really wish the Tsarnaevs had done this in VA so that they could get the beltway sniper John Allen Mohammed treatment.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 09:58 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (doBIb)
Always thought this would make a great movie - History of the World - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo
Posted by: MikeH at January 28, 2015 09:58 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 09:58 AM (wlDny)
Gabe, you know Islamic terrorists want to throw gay people off cliffs right (ala Mufti Madani-style)?
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 09:46 AM (0eidE)"
Well, not always. Sometimes they pull down walls on top of them. Sometimes they just hang them from cranes. The most inventive method I have heard of was when the Iranians superglued their anus shut and fed them laxatives so that their bowels ruptured.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM (KDbAT)
Oldsmobile.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 28, 2015 09:53 AM
Drunk driving illegal alien. No...wait....that's only for innocent citizens.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 09:51 AM
Yeah, just minor snow flurries here that left a minimal 30-inch coating on the ground.
I was a bit perturbed yesterday when Ace started yattering about the failed predictions re NYC. The weather guesses for Eastern MA were bang on; in fact, they were a bit -- shall we say -- conservative.
Sadly, nothing here to blame the lefty politicians for. Well, except for the few who are blaming Global Warmishness for the blizzuhd.
NYC was lucky. We weren't.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM (P8YHq)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:56 AM (doBIb)
Always thought this would make a great movie - History of the World - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo
Posted by: MikeH at January 28, 2015 09:58 AM (ZdA3v)
I'm talking about those shapeshifters in DS9!
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM (doBIb)
If Obama drone the tea party I would salute him on that.
The tea party is the American version of Hezbollah.
It is a sectarian movement based on the domination of rural evangelical whites over other Americans.
Anyone who strikes the tea party has my support.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:00 AM (0eidE)
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Excellent summary.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 28, 2015 10:00 AM (TOk1P)
I know Yector...believe me I know...
and yet strangely I support this law and granting Barry cover...
why is that?
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 10:00 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 10:00 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM
Seriously. Don't know where you are, but little corner of the PDRM has about 2 feet+ of global warming on it right now. And I still have some cleanup left to do after work tonight. Yay!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (wlDny)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 09:59 AM (doBIb)
Drat, missed the reference
Posted by: MikeH at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (ZdA3v)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (0eidE)
For some reason that doesn't make me feel any better....
Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: votermom at January 28, 2015 10:01 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2015 10:02 AM (doBIb)
If you take up arms for a terrorist organization, why not try them ex parte--with a lawyer appointed on their behalf, judge, jury and everything--and exile them?
Oh, the black robes have called that "cruel and unusual" IIRC.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 28, 2015 10:02 AM (5yHi1)
Well up until about 17 years old the Muslim world appreciates gay lads...
they just expect you to put "boy day" on hold once you hit adulthood until you have a spouse and have replaced yourself for the tribe and THEN you get to re-enjoy Boy day...
Wife was in awe of the briefing on "understanding" that charming social construct when she went to the dirt each time.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 10:02 AM (/4AZU)
In general, people here in MA seem perfectly happy with the prospect of Li'l Joker getting the needle, those they are pathetically liberal otherwise.
Of course they'd support snuffing anyone who dared to be critical of Tom Brady, too, so there's that.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2015 10:03 AM (P8YHq)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 28, 2015 10:03 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: eman at January 28, 2015 10:03 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Someone elsewhere posted a report on a demonstration in Germany. Including interviews with the police. The Pegida demonstrators themselves were peaceful but the Leftist counter demonstrations are much larger and very violent. Police officers have been seriously injured and firebombs have been thrown, windows smashed, train stations blocked, etc but apparently by a very well organized and deep pocketed Leftist coalition.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at January 28, 2015 10:04 AM (NHtMs)
It's all projection all the time...
Like Ann Coulter said...if Americans were doing the exact same thing to Japan we'd be "genociders"....on Amigo Grande!
at any rate I can handle Yector's wank Squik fangoria dreams for me, I understand the left as a whole wants that ending....
this law won't cause it or stop it.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 10:04 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at January 28, 2015 10:05 AM (NHtMs)
You all are crazy xenophobic theocrats whose vision for America is a combination of Saudi Arabia and Jim Crow south.
You are a fringe cult who get off insulting ethnicities and races you don't like.
Most of you are bitches who would not run your mouth in the real world, how you do online.
Nothing that anyone dreams here will occur in real life.
The groups you hate can fight back and the majority of Americans do not support your genocidal ideology.
Let go of the hate and enjoy life.
Fuck Hezbollah.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 10:05 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 10:06 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: toby928
ISIS is like ACORN. They'll just change their name.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2015 10:06 AM (wmrFg)
I thought you read Deutch Bander?
Yes, that was my paraphrase of an article in today's Frankfurter Allgemeine.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 28, 2015 10:07 AM (JtwS4)
Amigo Grande can fight back.
You know it.
I'll let you get back to your Latino Holocaust fantasy.
Its not going to happen.
Have a good one.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 10:07 AM (9cXD/)
Posted by: Yip at January 28, 2015 10:08 AM (84SRe)
Yector focus on the truck driver beside you or the post in front of you...
I was at #237 champ...
No fight needed....
Illegals go home.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 10:08 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at January 28, 2015 10:09 AM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:09 AM (0eidE)
Row v Wade, 1973
Plessy v Ferguson, 1896
You'll excuse me if I don't accept SCOTUS decisions as "settled law."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 10:09 AM (M1uf/)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 10:09 AM (evdj2)
I call on my fellow Republicans to introduce a bill to strip party membership from extremists. We can start with Cruz and Sarah Palin before they ruin our chances in 2016.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at January 28, 2015 10:11 AM (Ks4nX)
I don't think he believes his last sentence.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 28, 2015 10:12 AM (M1uf/)
By illegals you mean Latinos.
They ain't leaving and will fight back.
You ain't gonna do shit anyway.
Enjoying your online dream of a Latino Holocaust.
Ain't happening.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 28, 2015 10:13 AM (9cXD/)
MA had a Death penalty act ten or 15 years ago, to restore it after a
moratorium left over from the Seventies. The day of the final vote, a
treacherous legislator switched his vote, switched Parties, and scuttled
the whole thing. It was a fucking farce.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 28, 2015 09:54 AM (2cS/G)"
Back when Mario Cuomo was Governor of New York there was a Kabuki Play that would be put on every year. The Legislature would pass a death penalty act and the Governor would veto it. The Legislature would then vote to override the veto and the override would fail by one vote.
It warms the heart shaped cavity in my chest to know that Mario Cuomo is now sucking cocks in Hell.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 28, 2015 10:13 AM (KDbAT)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:13 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 10:13 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:13 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:14 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: toby928(C) Pale Penis Person at January 28, 2015 10:14 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:16 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2015 10:20 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 10:20 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: andycanuck at January 28, 2015 10:25 AM (L6/+u)
Posted by: deepred at January 28, 2015 10:31 AM (xv5cf)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 28, 2015 10:49 AM (XUKZU)
the government bears the burden to demonstrate (1) the expatriating act; and (2) that the person intended to relinquish their citizenship when they committed the expatriating act
I would say that the act of waging war against the USofA and your fellow citizens is an expatriating act. It is step 2 that causes me some problems.
But frankly, IDGAS.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at January 28, 2015 11:11 AM (1hM1d)
What do you feel they are, Gabe?
Why do I have a feeling that ANYTHING Cruz proposes you would automatically be against it?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 28, 2015 11:52 AM (DXzRD)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 28, 2015 11:53 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 28, 2015 11:54 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 28, 2015 11:55 AM (kTWS+)
This is not different.
Posted by: Df82 at January 28, 2015 12:06 PM (Fn41u)
Posted by: PBJ5959 at January 28, 2015 12:07 PM (r1du+)
The government needs to pull it's fearful head out of its clenched sphincter and start trying these people under the clear, unambiguous, and long-standing definition of treason... and then start executing them when convicted.
Participating in training or operations with known terrorist groups which have declared war against this country quire obviously falls into the definition of "...levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
Two witnesses to the overt act of participating in the training operations of an enemy should equal conviction, followed by a short drop and a sharp stop.
I know that Art. 3 Sect. 3 is way too simple for lawyers to process, but this is exactly what such actions are when performed by citizens: treason against the United States.
Posted by: Sarge at January 28, 2015 12:16 PM (We5IL)
Posted by: DeVan at January 28, 2015 12:18 PM (iB3mU)
Posted by: Draki at January 28, 2015 12:22 PM (1Ow6/)
The US is making it very difficult for anyone living outside the country to do simple banking because of IRS arm twisting.
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Oh, and B'elanna Torres on Star Trek Voyager would probably qualify as Latino.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 28, 2015 01:04 PM (AC0lD)
Let's put it this way. I will give a damn about whether the Constitution allows the government to revoke the citizenship of those who join forces at war with us when Gabe and the Establishment gives a damn about our citizenship laws regarding illegal immigrants flooding the country. The latter is far more pressing and harmful and yet we get fed these bullshit distractions. I am sure Cruz would drop this issue in a heartbeat for action on the other one.
Posted by: Thatch at January 28, 2015 02:30 PM (m/nBa)
I would LOVE it, if it were constitutional. Amend the Constitution, it's a good idea. Short of doing that, it's just another symbolic showpiece. Symbolism is fine, I have no problem with it, but if the concept undermines everything else we've been talking about for the last six years, the symbolic act is NOT fine. It's ill-advised and opens us (or at least Cruz/Grassley/King) up to charges of hypocrisy.
I reject the assertion that taking this position (Gabe's, or mine) means "Establishment." It means "educated in the law" in Gabe's case. It means "logical" in mine.
Posted by: Beth at January 28, 2015 06:48 PM (Epq7Y)
right "learned in the law" and "logical"
What Cruz is trying to do is make the Kill Lists legal....
right NOW Ogabe on Royal Whim murders US citizens extra-judicially downrange...
get back to me.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 28, 2015 07:40 PM (/4AZU)
enlisting with an army that is engaged in attacking one's country is
in fact de facto announcing that one has renounced allegiance to one's
own country.
"
"This."
Dittos. It seems pretty definitive and 'affirmtive' to take up arms against the USA. It seems a reasonable law to say:
Any person who takes up arms against the United States in an act of war or terrorism has forfeited the rights of citizenship.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 28, 2015 10:39 PM (wT9UL)
citizen terrorist." There are huge 4th 5th amendment issues with
drone-strikes on US Citizens, even on foreign soil. When a US Citizen
heads Yemen (just to pick a spot) to become a terrorist, he *may* plan
on coming back to the US, or he may plan on staying over there. If he
comes back, sure, he's within the reach of the Law, and can be handled
as such. But if he doesn't, then he is outside the reach of our laws;
how do we handle that?"
At that point, you have an 'enemy combatant'. Now Gabe seems to be telling us that we CAN'T revoke citizenship for that enemy combatant, 'too messy' for some reason, courts, paperwork, blah blah blah
.... ah, but we *can* kill him with a drone without a court hearing. , even if born and raised in Peoria.
HUH?!?
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 28, 2015 10:47 PM (wT9UL)
Posted by: PPs43 at January 29, 2015 09:10 AM (gs8t9)
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