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Geraghty Handicaps the Field in Iowa
An interesting observation on Carly Fiorino and her run for Vice President (though she won't admit that), and how nice an attack dog she'd make against Hillary. And Open Thread.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:49 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 07:51 PM (sj3Ax)
flown as an accomplishment while SoS: "Flying is not an accomplishment,
it's an activity".
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:52 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 07:53 PM (sj3Ax)
You know you want it
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 07:54 PM (NAofJ)
The Sheep woman is well...
"whatever"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 07:54 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 07:55 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:55 PM (4nR9/)
The key is how to get one through the media gauntlet.
Posted by: JEM at January 27, 2015 07:55 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 27, 2015 07:55 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 07:56 PM (Cq0oW)
You don't start handicapping two year old fillies before they are born, just because of their parents.
Posted by: Glorious Ung at January 27, 2015 07:56 PM (GbLqG)
Seriously, she's a disaster, and proved it here in Commiefornia. Keep the circus sideshows in a side tent somewhere. Stick with proven winners on the main stage.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 07:56 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Democrat vote fraud machine at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: captslaq at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (zDqLs)
What's a good chaser for vodka if you're worried about sugar and carbs?
Also there is a solution for a pad problem on a laptop with Windows 8.1. Look online. It involves changing something in administrator I think.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: MFM Analyst at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (NAofJ)
You know you want it
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 07:54 PM (NAofJ)
Almost as much as I want a Japanese girlfriend.
That says a lot, dude.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: John Boehner at January 27, 2015 07:57 PM (3rrMW)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (8ZskC)
evidently killing an Ambassador is a resume enhancer so perhaps...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (AFsCH)
Only 2 public appearances in the last 6 weeks, both in Canada...
She is not even doing fund raising...
something is going on....
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (qh617)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (4nR9/)
Parts or whole?
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (8ZskC)
Nonsense! I've been handicapped and
Posted by: Cankles Clinton at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (tdmtT)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (NAofJ)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (3rrMW)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (0Ew3K)
Only 2 public appearances in the last 6 weeks, both in Canada...
She is not even doing fund raising...
something is going on....
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (qh617)
Molt?
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (MDgS8)
A....interesting...turn at the head of HP and then a failed Senate run equals Presidential ticket?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (GEICT)
Pass.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (MQEz6)
Wait. Now...just think about this a moment.
Don't you really want her to do for the federal government what she did for HP?
C'mon. You know you do.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (V+kmg)
I'm sure she's 100000000000% on board with the the flood of H1B visas-
to depress middle class American wages.
Do.
Not.
Want.
Posted by: naturalfake, Person of Rainbow at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (KBvAm)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (8ZskC)
Talk amongst yourselves? Hell I have enough voices in my head that most conversations quickly turn into a shouting match with myself, complete with arm waving.
Posted by: Glorious Ung at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (GbLqG)
Mitt Romney: Demonstrated Competence
=============
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (4CVLy)
Mitt Romney: Severely Conservative
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (oFCZn)
I'm going to go waaaaaaaaay out on a limb here.
The media will select one of the pack and describe that person as "the only electable moderate in the race, not like those crazy unstable bomb-throwing radical rightists".
A large contingent of GOP primary voters will think, hearing this, gee whiz, we don't want to irresponsibly throw our votes away on someone so far out there as to be unelectable, better go with the sensible common-sense choice here.
The "only electable moderate" will thus secure the nomination.
Within five microseconds, the media will then shift to describing that individual as being a crazy, unstable, bomb-throwing radical rightist, and turn their collective volume up to eleven.
I know, it's not like this has _ever_ happened before. Bear with me.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: a comment from the year 2016 at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (MbqmP)
Hillary has dropped off the radar...
Only 2 public appearances in the last 6 weeks, both in Canada...
She is not even doing fund raising...
something is going on....
I wonder if she's connected to some life support machine somewhere?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 27, 2015 08:01 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Zombie Benedict Arnold at January 27, 2015 08:01 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 07:59 PM (MDgS
---------------------------------------
Isn't that what he's been doing for the last few years?
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2015 08:01 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: scif at January 27, 2015 08:01 PM (t+ssG)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:01 PM (sj3Ax)
Whoa, if you think Carly Fiorina will be an attack dog...
Remember when Jack Kemp joined the Democrats and shit all over the Republican base on live television during a debate with algore?
Well, Fiorina will make Kemp look a like a putbull. She is not on our side.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:02 PM (q19mL)
Milt Rombley-Endorsed by Nanny Pelosi AND some old demented bat in a resthome....NO NOT Congress...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 08:02 PM (/4AZU)
I could see any combination of Walker, Jindal and Haley.
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:58 PM (4nR9/)
Parts or whole?
Well, you hear a lot about "men without chests". I don't think that would be Nikki's problem. Boehner on the other hand....
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 08:02 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:02 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 07:51 PM (sj3Ax)
Cruz for SCOTUS
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 27, 2015 07:55 PM (0Ew3K)
First, Cruz as two term President Cruz
then
SCOTUS.
Posted by: naturalfake, Person of Rainbow at January 27, 2015 08:02 PM (KBvAm)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:02 PM (MDgS8)
We need votes in 2016. We don't have enough votes in 2016 to defeat hillary clinton.
We need a candidate who produce turn out.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (q19mL)
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 07:49 PM (4nR9/)
**********
Oh really?.....
Posted by: Peter North at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (fLKzW)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility
Nah.
If she was Bill would be kicking at the plug.
Posted by: Aviator at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (3rrMW)
Beep...Beep BEEP beep-beep-beep
"Hale, hearty AND READY TO GO!"
//George Snuffalupagus "Unbiased"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (/4AZU)
Mitt Romney: Severely Conservative
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (oFCZn)
---------------------------------------
Mitt Romney: Master debator.
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (q19mL)
Being a Moron I, of course, read that as "We need a candidate who puts out"
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (V+kmg)
>>something is going on....
Can you imagine the freaks that would squirting out of the Dem clown car to run if she didn't run? Elizabeth Warren would be the immediate front runner and that is down right frightening.
It's like the left is saying if you thought Obama was bad wait until you spend some quality time with this crazy bitch.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 08:04 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: naturalfake, Person of Rainbow at January 27, 2015 08:04 PM (KBvAm)
I'd like to see Haley's but nonstop
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 08:04 PM (NAofJ)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:04 PM (4CVLy)
Yeah, possibly electing a solid conservative only to have their RINO runningmate undo everything once it's "their turn"... been there, done that.
Posted by: Reagan/Bush at January 27, 2015 08:04 PM (tdmtT)
to run if she didn't run? Elizabeth Warren would be the immediate front
runner and that is down right frightening.
It's like the left is saying if you thought Obama was bad wait until you spend some quality time with this crazy bitch.
It says a lot that Joe Biden would probably wear easier over time than Hillary.
Posted by: pep at January 27, 2015 08:05 PM (4nR9/)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:05 PM (4CVLy)
hillary is playing it smart and steering clear of controversy
I suspect she's very busing building a formidable nationwide army.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:05 PM (q19mL)
Seriously, though, noone is perfect. And he's not just elecable, he would be elected. He has charisma.He won re-election by well over 60% in the purplest of states. People who don't yet know him will like him. A republican congress would keep a lid on his populist side, and the courts will get only social conservatives.
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (rwI+c)
Have any of you seen-
"The Zero Theorem"?
Is it worth an On Demand rental?
Or is it a big messy dog's breakfast as most of Gilliam's movie have been since "Brazil"?
Posted by: naturalfake, Person of Rainbow at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (KBvAm)
Help, she's fallen and can't get up!
Posted by: naturalfake, Person of Rainbow at January 27, 2015 08:04 PM (KBvAm)
Well... I hear Zombification takes a number of weeks to do right...
and no one has seen Obama's Mother in Law lately....
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (qh617)
The media will select one of the pack and describe that person as
"the only electable moderate in the race, not like those crazy unstable
bomb-throwing radical rightists".
A large contingent of GOP primary voters will think, hearing this,
gee whiz, we don't want to irresponsibly throw our votes away on someone
so far out there as to be unelectable, better go with the sensible
common-sense choice here.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 08:00 PM (noWW6)
It's kinda like jerking a cat around by shining a laser pointer on a wall.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (J0IP0)
Watch FNC & WSJ push Jeb.
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)
It's not an army. It's a village.
Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at January 27, 2015 08:07 PM (Dwehj)
But it's never too early to believe the American people will magically come to their senses and do the right thing this time in 2016.
So let the wishcasting begin!
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:07 PM (q19mL)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)
They have been.... lots of Fox pundits saying he really was a Conservative...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 08:07 PM (qh617)
Where's Vic or Nip, they knew them personally
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 08:07 PM (NAofJ)
Possilby Warren, the MFM seem to have been trying to make her into their goto well-spoken personable senator from the bit of MFM exposure I get. I am not capable of just watching them dispassionately to try to learn the enemy.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Stalwart LiV GOP Voter at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (ftVQq)
Possilby Warren, the MFM seem to have been trying to make her into their goto well-spoken personable senator from the bit of MFM exposure I get. I am not capable of just watching them dispassionately to try to learn the enemy.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (dkExz)
and that is not an army it is a zombie drag...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (/4AZU)
Wailing and knashing of teeth
Weeping of women and unions
Smell of burnt hair and tears
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (4CVLy)
It's not an army. It's a village.
Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at January 27, 2015 08:07 PM (Dwehj)
This will be the most expensive campaign in the history of the world...
That she is not even FUNDRAISING???
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (qh617)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:09 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:09 PM (sj3Ax)
Mitt Romney: Fully Vetted
================
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:08 PM (4CVLy)
Weighed, measured, and found... wanting...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 08:09 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:09 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (/HX7u)
*******
Babe Winkelman: Master Baiter
Posted by: Trunk Monkey at January 27, 2015 08:09 PM (fLKzW)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:09 PM (MYPM9)
Yeah, I'm going to refer to him as Bergoglio from now on. Catholics are stuck with him, but I'm not, and it's getting to the point where calling this political hack "pope" might even be an insult to Catholics.
Conservative Catholic laypeople really should call a meeting at Avignon. Don't call it a synod. Yet.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (AVEe1)
He's the MOST conservative Bush....which is a lot like saying "He's the most humanitarian Kim-Jong-whatever"
Jebba is the answer only to really stupid questions.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Karl Rove at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (MDgS8)
Every last one of the gop candidates will continue with unchecked illegal immigration and profligate spending. And obamacare. And punishing the middle class for being middle.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 27, 2015 08:11 PM (Qs8ZN)
Posted by: Soona
Babe Winkelman: Master Baiter
Posted by: Trunk Monkey
Hillary: Cunning Linguist
Posted by: Democrat vote fraud machine at January 27, 2015 08:11 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: PaleRider at January 27, 2015 08:11 PM (dkExz)
well first you get some wolfsbane....
//Borgia, Lucretia Borgia
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 08:11 PM (/4AZU)
That team would do better than what the GOPe will actually pick.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:12 PM (MQEz6)
We need a candidate who produce turn out.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (q19mL)
Why, hello there!
Posted by: Dr. Herbert West at January 27, 2015 08:12 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at January 27, 2015 08:12 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (MDgS
*********
I have some ideas.....
Posted by: Mehmet Ali Agca at January 27, 2015 08:12 PM (fLKzW)
[hang head in shame]
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at January 27, 2015 08:12 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 27, 2015 08:12 PM (J0IP0)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 27, 2015 08:13 PM (ftVQq)
The Dems would savage him for not having a college degree, but a lot of the voters that are up for grabs don't have one either.
Jindal could be interesting in that he might get the Asian immigrant community to start asking themselves why the hell they vote for Democrats...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (5DM9u)
Posted by: The GOPe at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (Dwehj)
Yeah, I'm going to refer to him as Bergoglio from now on. Catholics are stuck with him, but I'm not, and it's getting to the point where calling this political hack "pope" might even be an insult to Catholics.
Conservative Catholic laypeople really should call a meeting at Avignon. Don't call it a synod. Yet.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (AVEe1)
Brick back Benedict XVI
Posted by: Vatican ain't the vatican without chestnuts at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: California Democrat Party at January 27, 2015 08:15 PM (oKE6c)
You've probably seen this, since I post it here so much. Once more won't hurt -
http://backwardsboy.blogspot.com/2014/07/if-i-were-ted-cruz.html
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 27, 2015 08:15 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: The GOPe at January 27, 2015 08:15 PM (Dwehj)
Jebba is the answer only to really stupid questions.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (/4AZU)
Please don't tarnish my legacy like that.
Posted by: Al Jaffee at January 27, 2015 08:16 PM (AFsCH)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (5DM9u)
Jindal has baggage from that whole exorcism thing. He is also too easy to paint as a theocrat.
Posted by: The Electoral Hat at January 27, 2015 08:16 PM (0Ew3K)
===============
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:14 PM (4CVLy)
That's baby shit. I'll bring the Vag-ISIL to bear.
Posted by: Hillary "Butch" Clinton at January 27, 2015 08:17 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 27, 2015 08:17 PM (zauWW)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:17 PM (ucDmr)
write off:
Walker - creepy guy.. good politics
Cruz p- creepy looking to most Americans
Jeb - Bush!
Romney - been ther,e done that!
Palin - Are you eff'n crazy?
Kripsy Kreme - blew it
Rand Paul - meh
So.. who do we got, realistically?
Pence and Kasich.. eff'n deal with it.. maybe one of the above as Veep.. doubt it. They bring nothing to the ticket. Maybe Carly or Nikki to offset the female crap of Hillary..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (/9Mak)
I'd be worried if he DIDN'T believe in exorcism
And Popes clearly can be made to "retire." If this one keeps acting the fool, soon you'll hear more and more about his declining health, then he will be forced to retire, like John Ratzinger was.
Posted by: BlackOrchidDefendsTheIHM at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (pS66t)
And that melon of his? Whew.
Posted by: Payton Maning at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (MbqmP)
Posted by: eleven at January 27, 2015 08:19 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:20 PM (MYPM9)
/should probably get the ol' self-denouncer cranked up
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 27, 2015 08:20 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (MbqmP)
Too far right.
Posted by: MSM at January 27, 2015 08:20 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Lizabth at January 27, 2015 08:20 PM (4xOW+)
Are the same Black Orchid of old?
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:20 PM (q19mL)
of yore?
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:20 PM (q19mL)
I remember ORCA too!
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:21 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 27, 2015 08:21 PM (0HooB)
Never mind Italy. If he can do that, there's a buttload of that work to be done in DC (and throughout the Northeast, after which he can come to CA, after a stopover in IL).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:21 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at January 27, 2015 08:22 PM (GuwT9)
-
Based on the cultural references he uses I'd be willing to bet that ace meets Article II, Section 1 requirements.
Kaboom cereal alone makes him at least 35. The Paul Anka stuff could make him mid-50s.
DRAFT ACE!
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:22 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: Flipper at January 27, 2015 08:22 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at January 27, 2015 08:22 PM (0HooB)
--------
Who was the first GOP candidate to drop out?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:22 PM (MYPM9)
He's not going to appeal to the working class by supporting open borders. Which he does. He's been very clear in repeated interviews that he thinks anyone who wants to come here to work should be able to. Which of course would completely destroy working class wages.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 27, 2015 08:23 PM (HA+/6)
write off:
Walker - creepy guy.. good politics
Cruz p- creepy looking to most Americans
Jeb - Bush!
Romney - been ther,e done that!
Palin - Are you eff'n crazy?
Kripsy Kreme - blew it
Rand Paul - meh
So.. who do we got, realistically?
Pence and Kasich.. eff'n deal with it.. maybe one of the above as Veep.. doubt it. They bring nothing to the ticket. Maybe Carly or Nikki to offset the female crap of Hillary..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 27, 2015 08:18 PM (/9Mak)
You can't get rid of RINOs by voting for them.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:23 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:24 PM (sj3Ax)
What's creepy about Walker?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 08:24 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 27, 2015 08:24 PM (HA+/6)
I don't think Walker is creepy - Jindal isn't either. Either work for me.
but Pence - if he could get a personality transplant - looks more presidenty. which works for the wimmenz, sadly
Posted by: BlackOrchidDefendsTheIHM at January 27, 2015 08:24 PM (pS66t)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)
I really don't get this. Do they circulate a memo or something? "Dear colleague, the rubes are thinking they matter again. Push Bush."
Posted by: Secundus at January 27, 2015 08:25 PM (sNg63)
Shed be an instant liability on the "outsourcing," "crony capitalist/corporate raider," Bain Capital memes. If the GOP wants to change its crony capitalist, party of The Rich image, she'll make that impossible. I don't necessarily think they do, given the donor class' preferred candidates to date. I suspect her inclusion was either Jim being to smart by half in prognosticating or acting on an insider tip of some kind that won't pan out.
She couldn't beat Boxer here in CA and had tons of HP workers protest at her debates. I just don't see how all that becomes a success story.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 08:26 PM (QKIQb)
The other explanation is that Walker is talking about the Canadian border.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:26 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: Carol at January 27, 2015 08:24 PM (sj3Ax)
It is. The only thing that pissed me off: the repeated references to this "Republican machine." I assume that's historically accurate, but in fairness, machine politics has been pretty much a Democrat staple since Tammany Hall, yes?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:26 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Fritz at January 27, 2015 08:27 PM (dVmLD)
Believe me, I feel insulted. It's bad enough to have Obama in the WH, but to have a Marxist leading my Church... but no Catholic is required to follow the Pope's politics and I certainly am not.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 08:28 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 08:28 PM (g/zj9)
I really don't get this. Do they circulate a memo or something? "Dear colleague, the rubes are thinking they matter again. Push Bush."
Posted by: Secundus at January 27, 2015 08:25 PM (sNg63)
Rinolist.
Posted by: Al Jaffee at January 27, 2015 08:28 PM (AFsCH)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 27, 2015 08:28 PM (AFsCH)
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (q19mL)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (NAofJ)
Posted by: Fritz
You want to know what the future looks like, Winston? Imagine a pasty cankle stomping on a human face forever.
Posted by: Hillary O'Brian at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (GuwT9)
Legally there are limits to how many people can come here every year. Don't this makes him soft on illegals.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (MYPM9)
Depends on who gets let in. Observant Muslims? Yeah, let's bring in a few dozen thousand more Chechens; they've had it rough and we need to be compassionate
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 27, 2015 08:30 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 07:55 PM (g1DWB)
And I'm pissed off at him
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 08:30 PM (u/Asb)
Walker needs to do something about his hair. The bald spot is distracting. Yes, that's trivial but we've become a trivial nation.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 08:31 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Secundus at January 27, 2015 08:25 PM (sNg63)
More like:
"Dear Colleague, we would like for you to continue to be a member of the Faux Family and retain the possibility of ever working again in national media. Just a passing thought, Jeb has amazing gravitas and supports the Faux brand of conservatism.
Glad that we had this little conversation.Yours RM"
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 27, 2015 08:31 PM (ftVQq)
It's the best show around that has not one scintilla of attraction for me.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (g1DWB)
Unlimited LEGAL immigration would be just as bad as unlimited Illegal immigration...
Either way... not good for the Native born US Citizen.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (qh617)
You wanted the casino?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (MYPM9)
Oh to be a fly on the wall at Chez Clinton right now.
In unrelated news, lamp manufacturers report record sales.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 08:31 PM (+XMAD)
The... 'we heard your prayers line' will not play well in the more secular West IMO...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 27, 2015 08:33 PM (qh617)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:34 PM (MQEz6)
What's creepy about Walker?
Posted by: grammie winger
He's more interested in the presidency than he is in governing our state
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 08:35 PM (u/Asb)
Posted by: Secundus at January 27, 2015 08:35 PM (sNg63)
Pence is 10% squish
Walker has the goods but needs an older and non-anglo person who's wise and popular with women
something like that
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 08:35 PM (g/zj9)
Walker, Jindahl, Perry and Cruz would have been my top tier - immigration's a problem with Perry for me, probably with Walker, maybe with Cruz and I don't know Jindahl's position on it yet.
Being President without ever holding an elected office is too Perot-esque for me, so Carson's out, for all that I'm not persuaded that the link by Jim (no I don't like spelling his last name) is all that eye-raising.
Paul's second tier because of Daddy, apples falling close to trees, and my sneaking suspicion that he'd go Paul Ryan on us in a heartbeat if Rove goes Emperor Palpatine on him.
BushRomneyChristie are going to find that the base can no longer hold its nose for them.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 08:36 PM (QKIQb)
I think we need to start working now to get Allen West in the (FL) Senate in 2016 or else Grayson will win.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:36 PM (q19mL)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 08:32 PM (dFi94)
Job wise, it made sense.
If he's afraid of the Potowamanis how's he going to stand up to the Dems or other opponents?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (u/Asb)
a) leave USA
b) get a green card
c) come to USA legally
d)apply for citizenship
e)become citizen
what is this 'reform' we keep hearing about?
Posted by: torabora at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (gjnnS)
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (g/zj9)
Any attack dog against Hillary would have to have strong jaws in order to get a good grip on her walker and / or HoverRound.
Slow down that ol' gal!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (bWFHa)
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (4gN5w)
He's more interested in the presidency than he is in governing our state
I get that. I really don't want him to run either. I'd like him to stay right where he is. But that doesn't look like it's going to happen. Maybe he'll get knocked out quick in the primaries and he can get back to business in Wisconsin .
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (dFi94)
Warren is the inheritor of the Dean/Kerry power bloc. They haven't done well for the last few decades but it may very well be "their turn".
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (Cq0oW)
http://tinyurl.com/nky3wym
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 27, 2015 08:38 PM (0xTsz)
Legally there are limits to how many people can come here every year. Don't this makes him soft on illegals.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 08:29 PM (g1DWB)
If you take him literally, he wants to abolish the limits. At the very least he clearly wants to raise them.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 27, 2015 08:38 PM (HA+/6)
Posted by: Push Bush at January 27, 2015 08:39 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:39 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: torabora at January 27, 2015 08:39 PM (gjnnS)
a) leave USA
b) get a green card
c) come to USA legally
d)apply for citizenship
e)become citizen
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f) vote for American values, not the same shit that led to your country becoming a place you wanted to leave.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 08:40 PM (MYPM9)
When he was reelected in Nov. he automatically became a frontrunner, so I'm not surprised at all. I think the Iowa appearance was a trial balloon - he was a hit so I'll think he'll make a run, positioning himself as the anti-Obama.
Unfortunately, it's very hard to run and govern at the same time. Is Kleefisch doing more to steer the ship in Madison?
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 08:40 PM (+XMAD)
Get the fuck out.
Go home.
Don't come back.
Legal immigrants on the other hand are totally cool.
Well, mostly totally.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:40 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 27, 2015 08:41 PM (4gN5w)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:39 PM (ucDmr)
We can only hope.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:41 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 08:37 PM (Cq0oW)
I was robbed!
Posted by: Ned Lamont at January 27, 2015 08:44 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:45 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:45 PM (ucDmr)
I'll have to hear more than that. Illegals is a big issue for me but I'm not that twisted about legal immigration.
The reason we have so much unemployment and a shitty economy is not because we have too many legal immigrants, its because of the extreme, anti-free market policies of this government. Walker has demonstrated he believes in smaller, less obtrusive government and he wasn't afraid to take on government unions. That is very important to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 08:45 PM (g1DWB)
bald spot is distracting. Yes, that's trivial but we've become a
trivial nation.
Posted by: Donna V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 08:31 PM (+XMAD)
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This is true. What is happening to Rubio's hair may be devastating to him. All but Cruz are not completely reliable on immigration in my view, so it is effectively a non-issue, sadly.
To your point on trivial reasons, one of the things Walker has is a natural everyman appeal. The "relates to us" question will poll well for him in the areas that are shifting republican. He doesn't really have to work at it that hard. Just have a speech with some biography, like he did last weekend.
There is nothing worse than when people have to fake their populism. Then you get the ridiculous ads with Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney in their plaid shirts throwing hay bales onto the bed of their trucks. It's cringeworthy. It would be nice to have a candidate who doesn't have to try, and can save us all the embarrassment.
As an aside, Mitt Romney should have used Mike Rowe on his economic message. You don't have to have a damn degree to add value. I have one, and half my department was outsourced last year. Vocational talents are necessary, and they have to be local. That has value, as does not having to start off your adult life in massive debt to make some money. It makes perfect rational sense for a lot of people, but it weakens a major government racket. Obama sees a failing school system, and his solution is to get everybody under his tentacles for 2 more years. Scott Walker is uniquely positioned to destroy that to shreds.
Posted by: Dave S. at January 27, 2015 08:45 PM (UvR6d)
Walker, Jindahl, Perry and Cruz would have been my top tier -
immigration's a problem with Perry for me, probably with Walker, maybe
with Cruz and I don't know Jindahl's position on it yet.
Jindal said in a NR article: We need to increase legal immigration. By a lot."
That's a position that 70% of Americans oppose, and is demographic suicide for conservatism.
Except for Cruz and Santorum, all the candidates suck on immigration, but Walker is the worst of the lot as far as his stated positions (altho Jeb would probably be worse in practice, since Walker probably doesn't really care about the issue, while Jeb is passionate about amnesty and would fight to pass it).
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 27, 2015 08:45 PM (HA+/6)
Posted by: not the mama at January 27, 2015 08:47 PM (5dxeo)
That's what drives me crazy, albeit as an outsider now. Running a Bush lets her spin the race back to the fucking 90's and pretend that the Obama admin was a bad dream, like Chris Carter rebooting an X-Files season in the premier (more 90's flavor SWIDT).
Texas vs. the Ivy League frames the issue better for the Right if Texas means someone not named Bush, but Perry's a total squish on immigration and he made Fred Thompson look energetic last time. I like Cruz but I'm not sure he can channel "regular guy" or charismatic enough for voters who don't read Hayek and Friedman.
"Does he care about me" matters to voters, as much as I distrust how that usually pans out (Clinton, Obama). Walker seems to be hitting that note best at this point, but he's already on record for a "path to citizenship." He'd have to score 9+ in all other issue categories and gain a lot more cred on the enforcement side of the immigration issue besides to even make me think about him. That's a top-three priority because importing more socialists will make turning this thing around impossible right away. If even just Texas goes full purple, say goodnight.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 08:47 PM (QKIQb)
This is the EIB network, back after these messages.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 27, 2015 08:48 PM (MbqmP)
Posted by: blaster at January 27, 2015 08:48 PM (Rx8ML)
Posted by: Dave S. at January 27, 2015 08:49 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 08:50 PM (zOTsN)
Now, I understand that the gov. of Ohio has done some good things and not so good things and on balance, from what I understand, he's been a decent governor. However, when I was listening to him go on about "I did X and I did X and I did it before anybody else and..."
I had this moment of deep revulsion. Not because of him personally so much because of politicians. All of them. I can barely stand listening to the best of them and worst of them - the Dems - I can't listen to at all. I'm so sick of Pol Speak -being mealy-mouthed and careful not to offend a soul while bragging that the sun, moon and stars revolve around your butthole. The generalities, the cliches, the platitudes...all of them make me want to puke these days.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 08:50 PM (+XMAD)
He unites every part of the base and he's shown electoral viability by getting repeatedly elected in deep blue Wisconsin.
I actually think Rubio though could be a real contender, much of it will depend though if Cruz runs.
A Walker/Rubio ticket would be a great ticket.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 08:50 PM (HVOK9)
Walker has improved so much as a candidate and was very impressive, it almost made me forget the open borders issue.
Cruz was his usual fiery self and his "reigniting the miracle of America" is a slogan that could resonate thru 2016.
Jindal could be a guy that catches fire late, he has almost no recognition but is a brilliant guy who seems to be on the right side of every issue...
Posted by: Tony253 at January 27, 2015 08:51 PM (3yMFT)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 08:52 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: puddleglum not at work at January 27, 2015 08:52 PM (9NECM)
BTW, I have a MSME and 35 years of designing machines under my belt. Oh and I change my own oil because..well I'm a man.
Posted by: Jukin at January 27, 2015 08:53 PM (WGm5T)
He unites every part of the base and he's shown electoral viability by getting repeatedly elected in deep blue Wisconsin.
I actually think Rubio though could be a real contender, much of it will depend though if Cruz runs.
A Walker/Rubio ticket would be a great ticket.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 08:50 PM (HVOK9)
That's an Amnesty ticket.
What kind of reforms can effectively balance out the nightmare that is Amnesty?
The answer is none.
If Amnesty passes, nothing else will make any difference.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:53 PM (MQEz6)
I don't like Christie, but he will be a force and I wouldn't count him out.
The only way I see a Jeb Bush ticket is if we have an especially contested primary and it becomes a brokered convention. Jeb would lose in a landslide up against almost EVERY Democrat. He has Romney's financial issues, a dynasty handover, plus he pisses off the base at every opportunity.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 08:53 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:54 PM (4CVLy)
My litmus test: do I get a sense he'd like to arrest Democrats?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:54 PM (oKE6c)
People have gotten used to smart people not getting thier degrees. Steve Jobs, the Facebook dude
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 08:54 PM (zOTsN)
I Heart Rick Perry.
Posted by: ALH at January 27, 2015 08:55 PM (btTLZ)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:53 PM (MQEz6)
______
Hate to break the news to you but amnesty is a done deal. Boehner assured us of that today.
On election night I said Boner and the Bitch are going to fuck everyone real good and hard and this election won't mean shit. Hey man, don't be so negative, let's give them a chance and see what they do, I was told.
Yeah, how's that working out for everyone?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 08:55 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 08:55 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 27, 2015 08:56 PM (WGm5T)
I'm more interested at this point in what happens with the Ds. The Hildebeast is the clear front runner but there are a umber of things that might derail her. The Squaw says she ain't running (who bitch this is?), so who else do they got? Cory keeps stepping on his dick, Biden pretty pretty please, every NY Dem is scheduled for indictment or has a whore problem...
The quality of our candidate may not matter as much as what they can put up against us.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 27, 2015 08:56 PM (mYq+u)
Just go with the shaved head. Plus an eyepatch, crossed bandoliers, and a cutlass.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 08:56 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 08:56 PM (MQEz6)
My litmus test: do I get a sense he'd like to arrest Democrats?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:54 PM (oKE6c)
None of the GOP candidates have that killer instinct
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 08:56 PM (u/Asb)
What kind of reforms can effectively balance out the nightmare that is Amnesty?
The answer is none.
If Amnesty passes, nothing else will make any difference.
Posted by: eman
It's a big jump to say Walker is pro amnesty, the comments he's basically made is we need to "do something" about our broken immigration systems. When people jumped on that he went out of his way to clarify he doesn't support a path to citizenship or any kind of amnesty.
I'm a border hawk, but I can live with Walker and NONE of the candidates are "Pat Buchanan" when it comes to illegal immigration.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 08:56 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:57 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 08:50 PM (HVOK9)
No, he doesn't. There are a lot of base voters who oppose amnesty and don't think we should "solve" the illegal immigration problem by just giving a work permit to whoever wants one. Which is what Walker wants.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 27, 2015 08:57 PM (HA+/6)
average voter has a degree or aspires towards getting one. they will look at Walker and say he couldn't even do what they've done.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 08:57 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 08:57 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 27, 2015 08:58 PM (mh5s1)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 08:54 PM (oKE6c)
Cut, Jib, Newsletter!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 27, 2015 08:58 PM (ftVQq)
and he was required to change a tire in the driveway before I took him for his test.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 08:59 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 08:59 PM (zOTsN)
My litmus test: do I get a sense he'd like to arrest Democrats
Well, Walker didn't technically arrest them, but .......
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 08:59 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 08:59 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:00 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 08:39 PM (ucDmr)/i]
No
*shudders*
Posted by: Huma Abedin at January 27, 2015 09:00 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching theW
Scottie is too damn nice. But, I bet Cruz would arrest a dem
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 09:01 PM (u/Asb)
Wisconsin isn't that deep blue anymore It's purple. The state legislature is controlled by the GOP. It certainly was bluer 10 years ago when Doyle was governor and the 2 Senators were Feingold and Kohl. However, Wisconsin did elect Tommy Thompson so GOP governors are not unknown here.
It's not in Texas territory, but it's not in California territory either.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:01 PM (+XMAD)
Who else does a good as job as Walker in uniting the GOP?
I'm honestly asking
-------
Obama. Field someone who can capitalize on that.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:01 PM (MYPM9)
I'm honestly asking
Barack Hussein Obama.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:02 PM (g1DWB)
Bill Gates. Larry Ellison. Plenty of accomplished dropouts. Plenty of people with expensive degrees working as baristas.
I would not for one second discount Walker's up-by-his-bootstraps personal story. The Democrats quite successfully portrayed Mitt Romney with his Ivy League MBA as "the guy who laid you off". That is not as easy a sell with Walker.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 09:02 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 09:02 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 09:02 PM (zOTsN)
Had Obama actually been found to been born in Kenya (even as an American citizen) he wouldn't have been elected President.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:02 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 27, 2015 09:03 PM (cNJvW)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:03 PM (ucDmr)
Actually a majority of adults in this country do not have a college degree.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:03 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:03 PM (0LHZx)
Neither will the typical modern carjacker. Tell him to hand them the keys and run. Once a safe distance away, call the cops, and start laughing.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 09:04 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:04 PM (Cq0oW)
They say that about our candidate regardless. Bush had an MBA from Harvard.
If they make the no college degree= dumb argument, it's going to piss off the majority of Americans that don't have a degree. I see it as a BIG win for our side
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:05 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 09:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:05 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 09:07 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:07 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 09:08 PM (4CVLy)
If his feet could be held to the fire on immigration, I could consider him if he was rock solid elsewhere, but that's hoping against history.
The present GOP coalition just has too many factions whose interests are directly opposed to changing politics as usual.
Amnesty is about pandering and identity politics. Any politician who puts on The Ring on that issue will be corrupted by it, if they aren't already gone. It's time to start forging new coalitions and it's going to take some time in the electoral wilderness to get that done. I hope there's a country when we get back. I feel like Rearden did in Atlas Shrugged - you can't bear to walk away and see what you love go down, but if you stay the present course, you know it's all going to fail, just a bit slower.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:08 PM (QKIQb)
Of course there is.
I may not have gone to college but I wasn't dumb enough to support Obamacare.
You could do that with policy after policy that both Obama and Clinton supported and have proven to be very unpopular with voters.
Obama may be "popular". His policies are not. The key is to have someone who realizes that Hillary is going to do everything in her power to distance herself from Obama and latch herself onto Bubba. She's going to run as the next Clinton not the next Obama.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:08 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Eromero at January 27, 2015 09:08 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:05 PM (Cq0oW)
I always prefer that my Ivy League overlords be more
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 27, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: not funny at January 27, 2015 09:09 PM (MYPM9)
He worked for a the Red Cross, and went immediately into politics. What would a degree do for him in that scenario? IT seems to me that instead of wasting time (and let's be honest, it si a waste of time) getting random credentials, he actually went out and tried to accomplish something, and he had pretty quick success in that regard.
I think winning the Republican Assembly Primary at 22 and serving on the State Assembly by 25 is more impressive then a BS in Poli Sci.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:09 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:05 PM (HVOK9)
________
Yeah I hear you. But the fight in the last couple of elections has been for the middle to upper middle class suburban voters. These are well educated peeps. And they won't vote for a dude sans degree. You can have all the "Bill Gates never graduated either" arguments you want. These type of people look down at those without a degree.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:10 PM (0LHZx)
This has been a march to statism since Wilson. Sure there were the times of Coolidge and Reagan. Sure those times proved the correct formuls. However those times are lied about and we will never see them again until it burns. We reached a certain mass and level of success and that doomed us.
There are too many looters and moochers under the control of the elite leftist wolves. This has been accelerating since 1962. We are too few, too sane, and too late.
Posted by: Jukin at January 27, 2015 09:10 PM (WGm5T)
I wouldn't expect a candidate to put it in these terms, but the random Ted Cruz aside that institution's done more harm to this country over the past two decades than has Al Qaeda.
Posted by: JEM at January 27, 2015 09:10 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:11 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 27, 2015 09:12 PM (4CVLy)
https://tinyurl.com/qd8dle7
It shows the launch of the Falcon Heavy from LC-39A at Cape Canaveral. That's the pad that launched the Apollo moon missions and most of the Shuttle flights. SpaceX has leased it and is busy renovating it for their own purposes.
It also shows the return of the three first stage cores to a landing site near the launch pad, where they can be refurbished and reused.
Posted by: rickl at January 27, 2015 09:13 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 27, 2015 09:13 PM (06U11)
I think winning the Republican Assembly Primary at 22 and serving on the State Assembly by 25 is more impressive then a BS in Poli Sci.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:09 PM (MYCIw)
____________
You're right. He has an impressive resume. But LIVs are LIVs because they only know bumper sticker slogans, not essays behind the subject.
For better or worse, in this country, the conventional wisdom holds that those who go to college are smart, those who don't aren't. When's the last time even a senator got elected without a college degree? The great unwashed want their leaders to have that "useless piece of paper".
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:13 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 09:13 PM (oFCZn)
Vote for those that can favorably affect the Collapse and the Recovery.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 09:13 PM (MQEz6)
Everyone understands Bill Gates. There are some people who don't need college. Finishing a degree is actually harmful to their ambitions. These people tend to be remarkable, and tying himself to them is a positive association for Walker.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:14 PM (MYCIw)
brown/clinton
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 09:14 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 27, 2015 09:14 PM (+ebSh)
Posted by: Lutrell at January 27, 2015 09:15 PM (MYPM9)
I don't know, but wasn't there a 19 year old just elected to the House?
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:16 PM (MYCIw)
Dubya went to all the right schools and they still called him dumb. Reagan had a degree from a little midwestern college and they called him dumb. If Walker had his BA and mispronounced a word during the debate they'd call him dumb.
If they can't paint a Republican as evil (and Walker is too neighbor-across-the-street to paint as evil), they're going to go for dumb. Always. No matter what. Jeez, they've called Cruz dumb and the guy was a top student at Princeton. And they certainly will portray Cruz as evil - and nuts.
Dumb is not being a Democrat. Dumb is not believing all the things they believe. Diploma, no diploma, it doesn't matter. So stop playing into their games.
There are valid reasons to object to Walker, like immigration, but the college thing is simply stupid. He's a man of achievement and to suggest that he's unworthy because he didn't sit through PoliSci 321 and German IV is foolish.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:16 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 09:16 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:17 PM (0LHZx)
Nobody has taken it in the shorts more during the Obama years than the middle class many of whom do not have college degrees. I don't think all that much explaining needs to be done.
He's a 2 term governor and I'm pretty sure most people in Wisconsin know he doesn't have a college degree. He won't play well in liberal coastal areas, neither will Cruz, Perry or anyone favored by conservatives. He'll do great in the heartland and could be a real threat in purple states as he has demonstrated in his own state.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:18 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: freaked at January 27, 2015 09:18 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:18 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 09:18 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:19 PM (MYCIw)
I'm saying he won't get the nom
vote for him. go right ahead.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:19 PM (Cq0oW)
It's very easy to offer good rebuttals to the "no degree" charges.
If they don't work, then pray for SMOD.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 09:19 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:18 PM (g1DWB)
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That's valid. In the midwest it probably won't matter that much.
But it will in the Denver suburbs, in the Philly suburbs, in the Tampa-Orlando corridor.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:20 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: freaked at January 27, 2015 09:18 PM (JdEZJ)
Before I went back and got my degrees I used to say some of the brightest idiots I've known had college degrees.
I see no reason to retract that statement all these years later.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 27, 2015 09:20 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 09:20 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Jukin at January 27, 2015 09:21 PM (WGm5T)
Obama, Kerry, Hillary,the Cherokee, yep, sterling intellects all....
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:21 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: chemjeff manspreading on the sofa at January 27, 2015 09:22 PM (9GG/0)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:22 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:19 PM (MYCIw)
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Once again, you're right. But you're explaining, while SNL will be doing DUMB GUY jokes. As will BuzzFeed. And CNN will have provocative segments titled "Is America Ready for A College Dropout President?".
Have you really not figured out yet you can't win these battles with logic and facts vs. bumper sticker slogans from the left?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:22 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:23 PM (MYCIw)
We need votes in 2016. We don't have enough votes in 2016 to defeat hillary clinton.
We need a candidate who produce turn out.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at January 27, 2015 08:03 PM (q19mL)
Hillary won't be getting the votes that Obama got in his 2nd run.
She has no appeal to women as a whole, she only appeals to Dem women who would be voting for the Dem any way.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at January 27, 2015 09:23 PM (+Fae7)
Disneyland. A proper metaphor for America these days.
Maybe we should run an animitronic candidate?
No, wait that was Romney in 2012!!
Actually, I saw Romney in person in 2012, and he was actually rather charismatic in person, but no one here would believe that.
So let's throw our skirts over our heads and give up now. Avoid the heartache.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... pretending to be someone else at January 27, 2015 09:23 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 09:23 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: LIV at January 27, 2015 09:23 PM (MYPM9)
All staunch conservatives of course.
Posted by: Jukin at January 27, 2015 09:21 PM (WGm5T)
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Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz are, yeah.
Pat Toomey once upon a time was.
David Vitter...not exactly a commie.
Mike Crapo...pretty solid conservative.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:24 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:25 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:25 PM (ucDmr)
Disneyland. A proper metaphor for America these days.
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Yes the Tampa-Orlando corridor, the purple part of FL that decides elections each and every time.
And it's Disney world not land if you're going to be all snarky and shit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:25 PM (0LHZx)
Gov Smartypants McHarvardlawyery- Paid 150k for his degrees to become Governor.
Gov Scott Walker- Paid nothing to become Governor.
Who's the smart one?
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:25 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: derp at January 27, 2015 09:25 PM (opPW/)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... pretending to be someone else at January 27, 2015 09:26 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Thirteen-year-old at January 27, 2015 09:26 PM (MYPM9)
Yes, I know, Richard Fernandez of Belmont Club is a Harvard graduate. Him I'd make an exception for.
But he's not an American citizen. Not that that matters anymore.
Posted by: rickl at January 27, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)
I worked and essentially lived for 4 years in the Tampa-Orlando corridor. First, there are a lot of mid-western transplants in that area. Lots.
Second, do not overestimate that area as some eastern elite enclave. There are some. There are also a ton of rednecks and middle class, blue collar voters to be corralled.
Third, going this weekend to watch the Super Bowl at an excellent beach bar so fuck you snow.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:26 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:27 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:28 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:28 PM (QKIQb)
https://tinyurl.com/qd8dle7
It shows the launch of the Falcon Heavy from LC-39A at Cape Canaveral. That's the pad that launched the Apollo moon missions and most of the Shuttle flights. SpaceX has leased it and is busy renovating it for their own purposes.
It also shows the return of the three first stage cores to a landing site near the launch pad, where they can be refurbished and reused.
Posted by: rickl at January 27, 2015 09:13 PM (sdi6R)
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Thanks for posting this, rickl! That was some mind-blowing stuff watching the boosters return to Canaveral. What kind of timeline are we looking at here?
Oh, and the launch anime? Not Freudian at ALL.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at January 27, 2015 09:28 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at January 27, 2015 09:28 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: fluffy at January 27, 2015 09:28 PM (Ua6T/)
And I'm saying they're going to play the dumb card no matter what. Perhaps not with Jindal, who was a Rhodes scholar, but then it will be the exorcism business "OMG, he's a religious nut!" Cruz will be the reincarnation of Joe McCarthy.
No matter who it is, they'll come up with something Jon Stewart will use every chance he gets.
In the meantime, their "fresh face" is a woman who lied about being a Cherokee to get into Harvard.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:29 PM (+XMAD)
Second, do not overestimate that area as some eastern elite enclave. There are some. There are also a ton of rednecks and middle class, blue collar voters to be corralled.
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I spent some time in Tampa as well, almost moved to St Pete Beach (kinda wish I had). I didn't say it's an elite enclave, I said it's a place where there are a lot of suburban voters who will care that Walker doesn't have a degree. Not all obviously, but a lot.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:30 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:30 PM (ucDmr)
No, really he is. Best educated. A really nice guy, and hard worker. Elected to fix a state that was one of the most corrupt in America. The people in Louisiana knew that the Democrat establishment was a major reason for the FAIL of New Orleans after Katrina.
Could he get elected? Would the media mock him?
Of course they would, he's a ......Republican!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... pretending to be someone else at January 27, 2015 09:31 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 27, 2015 09:31 PM (06U11)
Which GOP candidate isn't going to be ridiculed by the media, in your opinion?
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 09:31 PM (JiX4v)
Well it's a waste of time I guess if you don't like money.
Here's the reality:
"among millennials ages 25 to 32, median annual earnings for full-time working college-degree holders are $17,500 greater than for those with high school diplomas only. That gap steadily widened for each successive generation in the latter half of the 20th century. "
But yeah, total waste.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:32 PM (0LHZx)
And that's where I will be this weekend. I'll say hi to the beach for you.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:32 PM (g1DWB)
I'm having a hard enough time liking candidates just based on core issues of limiting government, fiscal responsibility, national sovereignty and defense.
When did that become an unrealistic right wing wish list ?
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:33 PM (QKIQb)
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The goal is to make it difficult so the claims are so hard to believe even LIVs will double check them.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:33 PM (MYPM9)
If he doesn't, Perry.
If he doesn''t....I really don't know. Romney I guess. Anything's better than Jeb.
Cruz would be my ideal guy, but he has less than zero chance of winning the general.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:33 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015
Well if you are correct our country is f*cked. Deficits to surpluses, tax cuts, elected 3x in 3 years. He's compotent. Better than the current occupant who has never released his school info
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 09:33 PM (u/Asb)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 09:34 PM (dFi94)
I'm continually surprised at how some folks keep allowing the Left to dictate the terms of the debate.
Posted by: @johntant at January 27, 2015 09:34 PM (UTVh8)
Madison posters snarked about it online. That's about it. I think after his success as County Exec, most people in Wisconsin, even the leftists, realized it was a non-issue.
Which makes cheeseheads much smarter than coastal snobs who confuse credentials with wisdom.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:34 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:35 PM (MYPM9)
Only because the credential is carrying false value. Matt Yglesias graduated from Harvard and he didn't know the fucking Everglades existed. Yes, he pulls a check from Ezra Klein but he's still an idiot.
The statistics you cite are Exhibit A in the fraud trial for modern academia, not an argument justifying college as a genuine qualification for anything.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:35 PM (QKIQb)
You betcha!
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at January 27, 2015 09:36 PM (dFi94)
Of course we'll screw it up. Someone's going to cough at the wrong time during a debate, or someone will say something just slightly off message about, I dunno, our trade policy with Canada, and then someone will be caught having a "secret" meeting with donors where he indicates that he might have once saw someone else smoking pot. And so in turn each of them will be cast aside until we're left with Jeb Bush and Ben Carson, and Bush gets the nomination.
Posted by: Paul at January 27, 2015 09:36 PM (1vxz6)
What does a 20 year old making 120K/ year on his side business get from staying in college? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If he devotes himself to his business full time his earning potential shoots up dramatically, and he's making way more than any of his class mates could hope to make in the next 10 years.
There's literally no upside at that point, and considerable downside. Because even if that business goes bust, the experience he has is worth more than the piece of paper swearing he's a good worker bee.
College is a good investment for some people, and a terrible investment for others.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:37 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:34 PM (+XMAD)
Ya der eh! :-)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 09:37 PM (u/Asb)
The statistics you cite are Exhibit A in the fraud trial for modern academia, not an argument justifying college as a genuine qualification for anything.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:35 PM (QKIQb)
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Fine. Tell your kids not to go to college. Less competition for my kids. Everyone's happy.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:37 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 09:38 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: Paul at January 27, 2015 09:38 PM (1vxz6)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:38 PM (MYPM9)
That does not seem to deserve a "Yes...but".
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:38 PM (qyomX)
I'm not against college, both my wife and I have multiple degrees and I intend to send my kids to college, but if we're going against Hillary, I think you need to try something different.
But the people that worship at the altar of Acaemia are almost always dyed in the wool liberals. I see very few "lost" votes for our side.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:38 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: freaked at January 27, 2015 09:40 PM (JdEZJ)
There's literally no upside at that point, and considerable downside. Because even if that business goes bust, the experience he has is worth more than the piece of paper swearing he's a good worker bee.
College is a good investment for some people, and a terrible investment for others.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:37 PM (MYCIw)
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Yes, because a 20 year old making $120K a year is typical. Come on. You can find examples of a 22 year old with a degree making $2M a year as well. Doesn't mean shit.
If you look at the typical (ie median) 25 year old, the one with the degree makes much more than the one without. And by the time those two people are 40, the delta will have increased a little every year.
You have young kids right? Are you really telling me you're going to push them AWAY from college? I find that very hard to believe.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:40 PM (0LHZx)
We seem to do best when we run candidates that have populist appeal.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:41 PM (HVOK9)
The older daughter wants to be a doctor. Clearly college would be important for that life choice.
The oldest son wants to work in CS. The path there is far less clear.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:41 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Paul at January 27, 2015 09:41 PM (1vxz6)
But yeah, total waste.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:32 PM (0LHZx)
The truth of the matter:
http://bit.ly/1LfQFfd
Posted by: The Collegiate Hat at January 27, 2015 09:41 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 09:42 PM (DXzRD)
Perry-remember N'Head Ranch.....the media does and you'll hear it hundreds of times
Jindal-nerdy guy who does exorcisms and turned his back on people of color
Walker-dumb guy who hates working people (unions)
Jebby-Bush
Cruz-wingnut born Canada
Pick your poison.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 27, 2015 09:42 PM (WkdDe)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:42 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:42 PM (qyomX)
"I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University." -- William F. Buckley, and how I wish he were still here now.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 09:43 PM (JiX4v)
"Fuck the country, I've got mine" is your default setting. Like how Clinton was a great President because you made bank in the 90's.
When your kids come home hating you and the very idea of making money with their tongues pierced and want their trans-gendered significant others to stay for dinner,. get back to me on how college = success.
Take it from a free market capitalist - there's more to life than money. Money rests on values and college as presently constituted destroys the values that make money mean something. Check out Monty's piece from this am on that.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:43 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Eromero at January 27, 2015 09:43 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:42 PM (qyomX)
Excellent...
Posted by: Brown University at January 27, 2015 09:43 PM (0Ew3K)
Of course they would, he's a ......Republican!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... pretending to be someone else at January 27, 2015 09:31 PM (+1T7c)
He'll become a white Indian, like Zimmerman became a white Hispanic.
Because real, authentic Indians aren't named "Bobby" (they'll drop his birth name constantly, although you never heard "Hussein" during the '08 elections.) Real, authentic Indians don't convert to Catholicism from Hinduism. You'll start seeing columns in the NY Times by guys named Sundeep Patel saying that in so many words. Jindal's Americanization will not be applauded but despised. Does Jindal have self-hatred? Is he trying to be white?
Yep. That will be it. It will always be something.
Like johntant said, we keep allowing the left to dictate the terms of the debate.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (06U11)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Fucking doucheweasel. Let your kids have their Volvo serviced by their college prof, their drywall hung by their doctor and their hvac system installed by their investment banker daddy because he knows everything. And I mean everything.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (u/Asb)
Posted by: Paul at January 27, 2015 09:41 PM (1vxz6)
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I agree.
Also along those lines, it's insane to go to a $40K a year private college to major in education. As a teacher you will make exactly the same money with a degree from Fancy Private U as you will from State U at 1/5 of the cost. Education, social work, any of the generic degrees that don't pay based on pedigree.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (0LHZx)
Because, at this point, what difference does it make which party is in the Oval Office?
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (pZtrP)
What has he accomplished? I'm not asking about his politics or how good a debater he is, what legislation that he favors has actually been implemented?
I like Cruz's passion and I do credit him with moving the discussion in the right direction but if you are going to ask for my vote for a higher office I want to see some results in the job you currently have.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:45 PM (g1DWB)
She kinda "Romneyed" when she ran for Gov. of CA.
Posted by: Timothy Fountain at January 27, 2015 09:45 PM (GxpVd)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (u/Asb)
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I hope my kids do better than a Volvo.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:45 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:46 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:46 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 09:46 PM (zOTsN)
Occupy something or other....
Posted by: @johntant at January 27, 2015 09:46 PM (UTVh8)
No one at NRO will give him full credit because he's too Tea Party anti-Team GOP for them. They'd rather see Rand Paul capture the Tea Party vote since he's much easier to marginalize. If I were picking my preference now, I'd take Cruz.. He has to show he can handle being the second biggest lightning rod to Palin from both the Right and Left, and that's a helluva gauntlet. If he has a weakness, it's being "too nerdy" and that's certainly fixable.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:47 PM (QKIQb)
I've known several, and what they all have in common is that they are remarkable people of extraordinary intelligence. My point is that Scott Walker can (and should) tie himself to that subgroup of the population.
Look, if your ambition is to get a solid job making a middle class salary, a degree is a good idea. if your ambition is to be extraordinary, it may not be the best path. Losing 4 years (or, let's be honest at least 6 years these days since a graduate degree is required for almost anything these days) of your prime years is hazardous. Even if you manage to not fall behind your peers, you're still wasting time.
Scott Walker left school to run for the State Assembly and he won the Republican nomination. That's pretty extraordinary. Would his time really have been better spent taking 16 hours of poli-sci classes?
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:47 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at January 27, 2015 09:48 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: O. J. Simpson at January 27, 2015 09:48 PM (MYPM9)
She kinda "Romneyed" when she ran for Gov. of CA.
Yeah, no Fiorina, sorry. Watch video of her. Look for the following signs:
"Borderline Personality Disorder signifier" eyebrow shaping
Finger quotes.
Head Tilt Formerly Reserved For Leftists
Condescension.
No thank you.
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:48 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 27, 2015 09:44 PM (06U11)
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My kids know what's what, they're smart. They may very well major in grievance studies, but they'll get a 3.8 GPA and then go to law school. Or go work on Wall St with said grievance study major.....basically the Colby/Bates College model.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:49 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 09:49 PM (5+sBB)
Dude, are we just not supposed to notice the contradictions there?
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:50 PM (qyomX)
I have met the man, shook his hand and spoken.
He is your next door, lets go to a Packer game, how 's your mom, loves his wife, bragging about his sons good guy neighbor.
After Obama and his Harvard degree no one thinks this makes you smart.
And he destroyed the public sector unions...without ever looking angry.
Posted by: bossy barbara at January 27, 2015 09:50 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (5+sBB)
Ha. You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (g1DWB)
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Also, he can come off as a pompous ass and his colleagues hate him. I like him, but the man has flaws as a national candidate. Also, a senator, which is a negative for me.
Posted by: O. J. Simpson at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (MYPM9)
The two companies that did ask about my degree status, and to whom I made it clear that I did not have one, were the very two companies that have hired me in the time since.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (WkdDe)
Sounds wonderful. It's the American dream!
Posted by: freaked at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (MYPM9)
Ha. You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:51 PM (g1DWB)
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Nah, I guess I don't. Only about 25% of the dudes/ettes I worked with did just that. Must have all been a dream I suppose.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:52 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: JB1000 at January 27, 2015 09:53 PM (I398l)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 09:53 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: bossy barbara at January 27, 2015 09:50 PM (vPh3W)
This sort of Sun Tsu stuff is just what I am looking for in the next President. He'll need it.
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 09:53 PM (qyomX)
A career politician. What does he know?
See how this can be turned around?
Walker is a tough guy; won against tough odds, won the recall, won again. Being governor in a sometimes incredibly hostile atmosphere.
He'll have to be smart, and no unforced errors in campaigning. The Democrat Left already has plenty of oppo research on him , and they hate his guts.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... pretending to be someone else at January 27, 2015 09:53 PM (+1T7c)
I'm one of the other 75%.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:54 PM (g1DWB)
Since the turn of the last century, they've only nominated four decent conservative Presidenital candidates: Reagan, Goldwater, Coolidge, and Harding. Taft is close, though, and I am not familiar with Hughes.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 27, 2015 09:54 PM (0Ew3K)
Obviously, lots and lots of exceptions exist to the college thing.
For me, if Princess wants to be a doctor, lawyer or some other credential based job, sure go to college.
If she wants to start an internet company to sell some doodad she invented, don't.
If she doesn't know, 2 choices: join the military and then have the GI Bill pay for it or get an appointment to USNA or the Air Force Academy.
Or, I guess, go to juco and figure it out.
More importantly to the original topic, I do think not having a degree will hurt Walker. I don't care, he's still in my top 4, but I do think it would hurt with a lot of swing (read: stupid) voters. But just by writing this comment on this blog means *I'm* the oddball politically. Mike Judge is a prophet. That is not a good thing.
Posted by: DC in River City at January 27, 2015 09:55 PM (e+1S5)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:54 PM (g1DWB)
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Douchebag with an economics degree from Amherst? Sounds about right.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:55 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: LIV at January 27, 2015 09:55 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (5+sBB)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (DXzRD)
Law schools are cutting back right and left. Last year showed the unemployment rate for law school graduates jumping for the sixth year in a row, to 15.5%.
Instapundit is all over this.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (JiX4v)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (u/Asb)
He's done nothing, he's basically a GOP version of Obama. Just a guy that's done nothing but talk and can take any position he wants because he comes from a one party state.
Of course he has my vote against whichever DEM and I'm not against him, but he really has zero to run on. Senators in general make terrible Presidents.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (/IQip)
good a debater he is, what legislation that he favors has actually been
implemented?
"
Valid criticism, Jack. I'm not going to pull the "but Obama..." card on that. Cruz has no real legislative accomplishments in terms of laws on the books (beyond possibly his worst idea meddling in military discipline with Gillibrand over sexual misconduct). Of course that's largely because he's rocked the boat and won't play ball. It's a dilemma for him. I think he'll need to walk a tightrope - push a coherent "plan" but keep it simpler than the wonky Romney/Ryan stuff. and argue that it would work, but the Powers That Be won't let him try.
I don't see that he has any alternatives if he stays in the GOP. If he continues to buck the leadership, he could end up a five term backbencher in terms of legislative achievement. If he sells out, he's another Paul Ryan.
He's welcome in my third party. That comes with its own special set of problems, but ironically he might author more successful legislation as the leader of a coalition-style bloc whose votes are needed by a suddenly rump GOP than as a member of the party.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 09:57 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Feh at January 27, 2015 09:38 PM (g/zj9)
M-O-N-E-Y
Perry has the Texas money sewn up. That money will not be going to Cruz.
Rubio has the Florida/Cuban money going for him, and that will make him formidible.
Jindal has the Indian (slurpee not casino) money behind him.
Walker will have the business community money behind him because of what he did in Wisconsin.
Cruz? He has some conservatives fapping because of some of his votes/speeches, but so did Cuccinelli in Virginia, and he was a disaster of a candidate.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at January 27, 2015 09:57 PM (+Fae7)
Now? She lives in DC, works for one of the law giants, and gushes daily about the Obamas.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 09:57 PM (MYCIw)
Instapundit is all over this.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 09:56 PM (JiX4v)
___________
Law school like bidness school is a waste if it's not a top school.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 09:57 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 09:58 PM (5+sBB)
Walker-Jindal.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 09:58 PM (JiX4v)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 09:58 PM (zOTsN)
Of course if you want to be a chemical engineer, you go to college. But in this day and age, I would certainly wager most degrees are only good at putting parents in debt.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 09:59 PM (HVOK9)
Yea, you got me. I'm the douchebag who is in favor of Scott Walker without his degree and you are the one saying he can't win without one.
Truly, you are a man of searing intellect.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:59 PM (g1DWB)
This is apparently some new definition of the word "destroyed" with which I had previously been unfamiliar.
Those unions collectively are all still there. Slightly diminished in power. But hardly destroyed.
The teachers have had the terms and conditions of their contracts tightened up a bit. Epochal! World-shaking! Heroic!
Meanwhile, the police and fire unions cruise smoothly along.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 09:59 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: uhhuh at January 27, 2015 09:59 PM (63JWb)
What a horrifying thought.
"Community organizers" used to be called "rabble rousers," which had the virtue of being precisely accurate.
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (06U11)
Truly, you are a man of searing intellect.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 09:59 PM (g1DWB)
________
Well that's the other 75% dude. Can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (5+sBB)
*thumbs up*
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Paul at January 27, 2015 10:01 PM (1vxz6)
All of which are cutting back/losing enrollment. Even Harvard is down.
Too many lawyers, not enough jobs, and that isn't gonna change any time soon. Lawyers keep their jobs for a long time. Almost as long as professors.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 10:02 PM (JiX4v)
Who, in your opinion, has done a better job than Walker against the Government unions?
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 10:02 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 10:00 PM (qyomX)
FIFY.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 10:02 PM (oKE6c)
votes/speeches, but so did Cuccinelli in Virginia, and he was a disaster
of a candidate."
I'm not seeing the comparison.
FWIW, the "disaster" lost by a pretty thin margin in a pretty blue state.
That said, what's similar about Cuccinelli and Cruz, other than some conservatives like them both and the donor class largely don't. Is Ted Cruz "just like Rand Paul"
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:02 PM (QKIQb)
Do you even know what you are writing? Go back and read your comments. Were do you think the 75% came from, genius?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM (5+sBB)
This time the unseen alines will come out of the Monolith and destroy the planet because of "Climate Change."
Oh wait Keanu Reeves already did that horribly with The Day the Earth Stood Still.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM (+eQyZ)
But guys, it's worth the 60K in debt (yep I went to a private college too) so that I can share my amazing political science insights with the internet. Right!? RIGHT!?
*sob sob*
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM (MYCIw)
----
Those that don't quit in under a year. Some people aren't cut out to be immoral shitheels.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM (MYPM9)
And people like Moo can't stand that. They want some distance between themselves and the masses they despise and going to the right schools is their way of establishing themselves and their spawn in what they believe is their rightful place - the ruling class. It doesn't matter to Moo what you actually learned in college - someone who majored in Queer Studies at Yale is better than someone who didn't graduate, because hey, Yale.
I got pretty good grades in college, but unlike Moo, I'm not threatened by the prospect of a non-degreed president. I don't think most college grads in this country are that insecure. After a certain age, most of us realize that basic common sense cannot be taught, that there are plenty of very smart people who never went to college and plenty of dim bulbs who did. Exhibit A: Kerry.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 10:04 PM (+XMAD)
College is good for many people. Generally, yes, it is a good thing. This is another one size fits all government canard, at least with the way the left (and much of the right) talks about college. Government busybodies don't need to direct individual decisions. College is not for everybody, and if it is then college is devalued anyway. There is a lot of honor in vocational work. Many trades pay well, and you can work as many hours as you want to work. You can have more control over your life and career path, which is a type of personal freedom.
Walker can work into this message quite naturally, and it's an important one. We accept too many of the lefts assumptions on this topic. They devalued grades 1-12 long ago, and they're doing it to college also.
Posted by: Dave S. at January 27, 2015 10:04 PM (UvR6d)
Really, outspent - swimming uphill against the corruption charges in Richmond, and with the Feds being the only thing keeping VA economy afloat.
Posted by: Jean at January 27, 2015 10:04 PM (TETYm)
Thanks for posting this, rickl! That was some mind-blowing stuff watching the boosters return to Canaveral. What kind of timeline are we looking at here?
Posted by: All Hail Eris at January 27, 2015 09:28 PM (KH1sk)
Supposedly the first launch of Falcon Heavy will be later this year.
They've already tried to land the first stage of the Falcon 9 on a floating barge on January 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwe10pbVPDQ
OK, it didn't quite work out, but that was the first time this has been attempted in 57 years of orbital launches. They ran out of hydraulic fluid which powered the control fins, and the engine was desperately trying to compensate. They plan to carry more hydraulic fluid on the next launch, scheduled for February 8.
Considering that the first stage separated at an altitude of over 40 miles and traveling at Mach 6, and the barge is the size of a football field and a mere speck in the ocean from that height, this first attempt came damn close to success and is very heartening.
Posted by: rickl at January 27, 2015 10:04 PM (sdi6R)
They don't get an automatic cut of every public employee's paycheck any more. Membership in some of them is down 50%.
That's more than "slightly".
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 10:04 PM (JiX4v)
Great question. It's an empty roster.
But, the original point stands that Walker has hardly "destroyed" the public sector unions. And if his very modest steps against them are the very best on offer? Trouble is in the offing.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (5+sBB)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (0LHZx)
So sorry to hear that, ThunderB. College campuses are rife with it. It's just terrible.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (DXzRD)
I think he's doing a great job right where he is. He is having an impact and moving the debate or the overton window or whatever.
I'm not against him, I just don't think this is his time.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (g1DWB)
That is something that would cancel Moo Moo's concerns.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 27, 2015 10:06 PM (WkdDe)
You guys outside of California, IT'S A TRAP
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 27, 2015 10:06 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 27, 2015 10:06 PM (ASn1R)
__________
My wife has a graduate degree and is a stay at home mom. And all her stay at home mom friends in the 'hood do as well...or most of them do.
Getting an education isn't just to get a job. It's to be educated, whether you run a Fortune 100 company or you take care of kids all day.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:07 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:05 PM (0LHZx)
Those days will soon be over.
A new education/work model is emerging.
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 10:08 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 10:08 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at January 27, 2015 10:08 PM (/IQip)
The only reason it was even close was because McAuliffe was basically Bernie Madoff with his financial scandals.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 10:08 PM (HVOK9)
Well could write some speculative science fiction say set on an alien planet with an alien race. They find humans and bring a reporter back to their planet. And the reporter sees the glaring flaws of their society and decides to go confidence man. So starts to campaign to become their leader playing on the fact he's a disadvantaged alien...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (+eQyZ)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (KG0mU)
Great question. It's an empty roster.
I will settle for the best, then.
But, the original point stands that Walker has hardly "destroyed" the public sector unions. And if his very modest steps against them are the very best on offer? Trouble is in the offing.
No doubt.
Posted by: Splunge at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Oversized Hat-it's funny at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (MYPM9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (5+sBB)
Posted by: maddogg at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (L1E6C)
We value you for you!
(They let me in 'cause I pour single malt through the USB when in the bag - THAT's value!)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 27, 2015 10:09 PM (ASn1R)
Mark Steyn made this point with respect to "meritocrats" - at least some of the old school nobles understood how flimsy a justification their blood was re: status. The modern "meritocrats" of academia/media/government think they actually deserve their privileges by right, because they are smarter and more morally evolved. That's much more dangerous and delusional. We're reaching new depths of Fail with the Ivies at the wheel. Their hubris knows no bounds.
Moo-Moo's kids chanting "it's all right, it's OK, you're gonna work for me someday" will be the epitaph of the American experiment.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:10 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 10:10 PM (DXzRD)
Weren't we continuously told we should be more like the Europeans whose leaders all have mistresses and are oh so open minded?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 27, 2015 10:11 PM (W5DcG)
Havent you said repeatedly that Hillary will win a landslide? It's almost like you're a concern troll.
Please enlighten us, who do you think we can nominate that will win?
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 10:11 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 10:11 PM (zOTsN)
Dell is no longer in the list so without Michael Dell, I don't think there is.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:12 PM (0LHZx)
Yes, but college does not have a monopoly on education. Hell, even if you're just sentimentally attached to the college model, you can go online and audit classes in just about anything under the sun. For free. Given what my day to day life actually entails, I would have been much better off learning to sew really well and going to culinary school (also a rip off I hear) while reading all I could ever want to know about politics on the side. I did take such important classes as Post-Colonial Feminist Literature though, so there's that.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:12 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy
We'll see. That intuition is a powerful thing. Rubio isn't my first pick but conservatives need to pick a candidate and defend with everything we can. We cannot let that process of loving someone new every week. I got sucked into it, go Perry, ouch, now I like Cain, and then forgive me I fell for Gingrich after that one on one debate. I finally half heartedly supported Romney.
We have to do this better and when the media tries to destroy we have to push back.
Posted by: bossy barbara at January 27, 2015 10:12 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: eman at January 27, 2015 10:12 PM (MQEz6)
But guys, it's worth the 60K in debt (yep I went to a private college too) so that I can share my amazing political science insights with the internet. Right!? RIGHT!?
*sob sob*
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM (MYCIw)
Don't be so hard on yourself, Lauren. There's something to be said for assortive mating.
And if it's any consolation, a substantial fraction of female medicine and law students stand down from practice (certainly full-time practice) within 10 years of graduation. Having babies trumps having a career. I, for one, think that that's a perfectly rational choice. I worked my ass off in academia, 80 hour weeks, sacrificing anything that could be mistaken for a personal life, got tenure, and only got married pushing 40. It was the intellectual equivalent of joining the Seals.
And now, looking back from the shady side of the hill, I realize it was a waste. In the same situation, I'd do the same thing again, because that's me, I'm driven, and we all have our own internally programmed life trajectories, but I'd realize that to do it again would be irrational.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 10:13 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 10:13 PM (zOTsN)
Bertram, give it a couple years. I say this with a heavy heart.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 27, 2015 10:13 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 10:13 PM (g1DWB)
Honest to God, if I got laid-off/fired tomorrow I would not go back to college. I'd go to gunsmithing school.
Practical skills for no matter how the future turns out.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 27, 2015 10:14 PM (WkdDe)
Access to the Internet gives you enormously more educational opportunities than previous generations got from going to Harvard.
Yeah, you have to be motivated, but you have to be motivated in college, too. If the kid is just going to drink and have sex, you could rent him an apartment for four years and save a helluva lot of money.
If he does want to learn, he can do that for free.
The only chokehold the universities have is accreditation, and that doesn't apply if you're not looking to be employed (like your educated housewives).
Figure out a way around accreditation and the university as we know it disappears.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 10:14 PM (JiX4v)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 27, 2015 10:14 PM (cNJvW)
Haha, I like it.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:15 PM (MYCIw)
On the sodomy issue: http://tinyurl.com/nx6mttp
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:15 PM (QKIQb)
Cuccinelli lost because he ran as a SoCon freak. He actually tried to
get sodomy laws put back in place and tried to make getting divorce more
difficult. He also was against the rape exception for abortion.
The only reason it was even close was because McAuliffe was basically Bernie Madoff with his financial scandals.
Posted by: Kal
Your concern is noted Kal.
But, he lost on depressed turnout amongst the Governors base in the NoVA ex-burbs - nothing else. If Bob was politically whole, the Cuccinelli would have won (and Warner would have lost).
Posted by: Jean at January 27, 2015 10:15 PM (TETYm)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2015 10:16 PM (5+sBB)
There were times and there were places where a candidate like Cuccinelli could describe homosexuality as, quote, "objectively morally disordered" and still get elected.
21st century Virginia was neither the time nor the place.
Some socons think that there is still a debate to be had on whether or not such arguments have traction in the larger voting public.
I keep having to say, "There *was* a debate, past tense. It was back in the Nineties. The winners in the debate were Will and Grace. Sorry."
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 10:16 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 27, 2015 10:16 PM (KG0mU)
You need to go to college to get credentialed."
Hehehehe.
Don't hate. There is some truth and wisdom to that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 27, 2015 10:16 PM (WkdDe)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (Dwehj)
I'm not against college because I don't think it closes any doors to go, but I absolutely think the majority of degrees are a waste and the whole system has become a racket. I certainly don't think the college experience makes a person smarter than one who went a different path.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (zOTsN)
Given how the future is looking these days, a certificate in Practical Long Pig Butchery might be useful.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:12 PM (MYCIw)
Funny you should mention that. The other tab open on my browser is on the freevideolectures.com website on a multivariable calculus course at MIT which I'm reviewing ... for fun (yeah, I know - nerd). I highly recommend that site. It's got ALL kinds of great stuff.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (oKE6c)
*monocle drop*
good heavens! a yale man!
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 10:18 PM (Cq0oW)
491 Even my wildly exaggerated sense of self-importance is self-important.
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at January 27, 2015 10:17
And the story of our president
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 27, 2015 10:18 PM (u/Asb)
Here's the thing, those uber educated stay at home moms, wouldn't be where they are without the degree. The corporate lawyer husband making $300K a year, so that mom can stay home with the kids, wouldn't have married mom, if she didn't have the right pedigree.
My wife didn't graduate and the next day became a SAHM. She worked for 6 or 7 years before quitting to raise kids. I met her through some mutual friends which only happened because we ran in the same work circles. And the same is true for the other 'hood SAHMs I know as well.
So yes the degrees did "pay off" because they wouldn't be enjoying their upper middle class lives had they not gone that route.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:19 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 27, 2015 10:19 PM (WkdDe)
good heavens! a yale man!
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 27, 2015 10:18 PM (Cq0oW)
__________
Ha! Well done chap.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:19 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 27, 2015 10:20 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 27, 2015 10:20 PM (ucDmr)
I'm not seeing the comparison.
FWIW, the "disaster" lost by a pretty thin margin in a pretty blue state.
That said, what's similar about Cuccinelli and Cruz, other than some conservatives like them both and the donor class largely don't. Is Ted Cruz "just like Rand Paul"
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:02 PM (QKIQb)
Really, outspent - swimming uphill against the corruption charges in Richmond, and with the Feds being the only thing keeping VA economy afloat.
Posted by: Jean at January 27, 2015 10:04 PM (TETYm)
And yet in that "pretty blue state", Ed Gillespie outperformed him spending even less money during the actual corruption trial. A state that McDonnell absolutely crushed his Democrat opponent 4 years earlier.
Cuccinelli was an awful candidate when he ran for Attorney General, and ran a worse race when he ran for Governor.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (+Fae7)
Posted by: Jean at January 27, 2015 10:15 PM (TETYm)
_________
He thought he was running in 1983, not 2013. He didn't realize VA has changed dramatically in 30 years and most people don't want to hear about sodomy laws and whatever the fuck else he was talking about.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (0LHZx)
Interesting point about the doctors. My older daughter has told me she wants to be a doctor and a mom so we've already had a conversation about what types of doctors are able to have a more normal schedule so that's possible.
My position on college is to go in eyes wide open. It's hard to do though. 16 year old me (I graduated from high school early) was just so damn sure of what life would look like. Surprise! Not so much. If only teenagers would just *listen* to us. Psh.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 27, 2015 10:03 PM
"Whoooooooaa... it's full of stars!"
Posted by: otho at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (tBSrv)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (zOTsN)
You're not too up on this "Internet" thing, are you?
Not to mention: who the hell wants to be a "CEO" (as opposed to a founder) or a "corporate lawyer", or be married to one? I'd eat a gun.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (JiX4v)
"Open the pod bay doors, dude."
Posted by: otho at January 27, 2015 10:22 PM (tBSrv)
I wouldn't be doing backflips if my son went to Yale either-no offense to Yale graduates . I had a delightful young lady in one of my Book studies at church who started out as a f fairly conservative Christian. By the time she got back from Yale she had no faith in which to speak of an was happily headed down the path of progressive dogma.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 10:22 PM (DXzRD)
It truly was like Cuccinelli was running for Governor of Alabama in 1982.
You can thank VA's ridiculous caucus for that, the rank and file would know better than to nominate someone who thought he was hosting the 700 Club, not running for Governor.
The Lt. Governor nominee he ran with liked to make a lot of references to Sodom and Gommorah?
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 10:23 PM (HVOK9)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 27, 2015 10:23 PM (W5DcG)
You're not too up on this "Internet" thing, are you?
Not to mention: who the hell wants to be a "CEO" (as opposed to a founder) or a "corporate lawyer", or be married to one? I'd eat a gun.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 10:21 PM (JiX4v)
________
Doesn't matter if you meet online or at a bar or in a park. A man with an advanced degree does not marry a woman with a high school diploma.
Way to miss the point.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:23 PM (0LHZx)
The presidential campaign is one long job interview. Walker isn't 21. He has solid accomplishments. I'm supposed to say, "But wait, sure he's governor but he's 38 credits short of a BA. Better get his ass back to Marquette so he can take some polisci classes! He needs to write some term papers." What for?
What is the purpose of an education, Moo? Isn't it supposed to prepare you for life and work after college? Well, Walker's done plenty well for himself after college hasn't he?
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 10:23 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Jean at January 27, 2015 10:24 PM (TETYm)
I believe his response was "wait, you're smart? I always thought you were just one of the flute chicks."
Thanks, dear.
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:25 PM (MYCIw)
And what part of a Sodom and Gommorah comparison is wrong?
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 27, 2015 10:26 PM (cNJvW)
_________
Right. But without the college degree at 21, that 40 year old probably won't be interviewed by you in the first place.
I've done plenty of interviewing as well. And yeah I'm not going to ask someone with 10 years experience about their college transcripts. But that person wouldn't be sitting in front of me had he not gone to college.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 27, 2015 10:26 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:27 PM (QKIQb)
I have that. Overrated.
Just pick it up as you go along.
Gunsmithing, small engine repair, brewing & distilling, and pimping are all uber-valuable end times skills...
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 27, 2015 10:28 PM (ASn1R)
Being a mom is an important job, if you consider perpetuation of the species to be important.
My wife has periodically expressed a desire to go back to work, not for her own fulfillment, but just to bring in money. I tell her that that's my job, and I'm happy to do without and live within what I earn, because I know that the kids are taken care of. It makes my life simpler; I can focus on generating income, she focuses on taking care of the kids.
It's almost like ... Nature's plan. Crazy talk, I know.
So never feel unappreciated. When I'm lying on my deathbed (probably not until next week or so), nobody is going to visit and say, "Boy, you published some really great papers." But when you're lying on yours (not for a long time, I hope), you'll have your little ones by your side saying you were a great mom.
Think about that.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 27, 2015 10:28 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:28 PM (QKIQb)
So you got into a time machine somewhere back around 1950 or so?
$300K corporate lawyer's dude's wife is busy fucking the pool boy or the tennis pro because he's gone 80 hours a week. They'll enjoy a nice lifestyle on his money after the divorce.
Posted by: Thug Advice Columnist at January 27, 2015 10:29 PM (JiX4v)
The ADL has an article on coping with anti semetism on campus:
http://tinyurl.com/lc3kr4f
Is there a Rabbi at the school or at synagogue whom he likes whom he likes he could speak to?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 10:29 PM (DXzRD)
I would argue that by the time that a person has reached their mid to late forties, that the sum of their lives far outweighs whatever document they'd earned some twenty years before.
Not that I dismiss the degree, not at all. But, the holding of the same neither guarantees a success or a failure.
From one with nothing much to show as accomplishments in life, their degree is but proof of disappointment and failed expectations.
The average person, having kids, home, life, career and the respect of their peers, with or without a degree, is a success by any measure.
And finally, the above average person, with or without degree, who accomplishes great things and has built a record of making large strides in life, is exceptional, and often possessed of traits, talents, skills and leadership that may.. may translate to the political arena.
But, that is no guarantee. I need only say "Ross Perot" to carry that point.
Still, the value is on the record, the accomplishments and the suitable political talent.
Lacking that, their credentials mean less than nothing, at least in the sphere of political competition.
Walker, has the accomplishments, the record, the talent and the skill.
Sadly, for me, his position on immigration makes him my 2nd or 3rd tier choice in the primaries. But, if he's nominated, I'll work for him.
The overworked phrase is apt: "We need this man. He fights!"
For now, I'm still hopeful that Perry lives up to the promise he once held. I'll hold judgement until that plays out, one way or another.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 27, 2015 10:29 PM (RzZOc)
At least not the first wife. I never joined in with the others when they ridicule you but man you really suck.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 27, 2015 10:29 PM (cNJvW)
Type.
Delete.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2015 10:29 PM (g1DWB)
I'm not against college because I don't think it closes any doors to go, but I absolutely think the majority of degrees are a waste and the whole system has become a racket.
Posted by: Kal at January 27, 2015 10:17 PM (HVOK9)
Government-backed student aid is nothing more than a taxpayer subsidy to Marxist professors, who in a sane world would be unemployable.
Posted by: rickl at January 27, 2015 10:33 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:33 PM (QKIQb)
Wow. Didn't expect to see that.
But that's cool since Perry is my first choice.
He has the best resume and he's the only one in the whole lineup who was in the Military.
Posted by: wheatie at January 27, 2015 10:35 PM (hX3bN)
I suspect she's very busing building a formidable nationwide army.
It's not an army. It's a village.
Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at January 27, 2015 08:07 PM (Dwehj)
I have this urge to watch The Billion Dollar Brain again. An insane Billionaire puts together an assault force to take advantage of the revolution he has been brewing in the Baltic states: unfortunately his underlings have been stealing his money and falsifying the reports. And Harry Palmer, everyman, gets caught in the gears again.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 27, 2015 10:39 PM (t//F+)
See, Moo, that's the sort of thing that burns my toast. The students who wrote that article are ignorant as dirt - and they're going to have decrees from Berkeley. I should respect that? The problem isn't higher ed, it's higher ed as presently constituted. Campuses are little totalitarian bubbles where free speech and thought is stamped out, not encouraged. It's even creeping into STEM disciplines now. Kids are getting into massive debt in return for becoming indoctrinated. The liberal arts, as they existed when I was in college, are no more. Kids are being robbed of an education and they don't even know it. They want to be in this safe, comfortable place where everyone agrees with them. That's the exact opposite of what college is supposed to be.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 10:39 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 27, 2015 10:27 PM (QKIQb)
I wasn't talking about Cucinelli's SoCon credintials at all. I was talking about how he was viewed from the viewpoint of a Virginia voter. Cuccinelli came across as someone looking to make the next step up, constantly. He had barely been sworn in, and had done nothing as AG when he announced he was running for Governor about 3 years before. That has always been frowned upon in Virginia, especially the AG.
As for the sodomy laws, I really don't care about them, but it is one of those issues that people really don't want to keep bringing up, and yes, I know that he was trying to use it to get a predator off the streets, but it was still bad optics.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at January 27, 2015 10:46 PM (+Fae7)
I will not finish my doctorate in nursing because I refuse to take another health promotion (social justice indoctrination) class. Don't need it to practice and won't give them any more money for useless classes. Thank goodness I'm already credentialed and grandfathered in.
Posted by: bossy barbara at January 27, 2015 10:46 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 27, 2015 10:46 PM (DXzRD)
I really do love being a stay at home mom. My only regret is the debt. Student loans are a bitch. That's another tactic schools use to rope you in. "Oh look, we're giving you a 75% scholarship, aren't you special?" Yes! Yes I am. Sign me up for those loans for that other 25% Why, that's hardly anything!
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2015 10:51 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 27, 2015 10:52 PM (DDFkt)
Posted by: HAL at January 27, 2015 10:55 PM (ejcGn)
Yes, I dropped out of grad school at George Washington University because I couldn't take another semester of reading crap like Andrea Dworkin and bell hooks. It was a total waste.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 27, 2015 10:58 PM (+XMAD)
Lets take a look at here bio
Took over Lucent, ran it into the ground. (Lucent, Whats that? Exactly)
CEO of HP, destroyed the best company to work for in the world. Would throw hissy fits, THE HP WAY IS DEAD!!. She was soo sick of hearing about the HP way. When she visited a division orders were, no real forks or knifes allowed. She kept her distance form the commoners. She always flew by private jet and always had the entire floor of a hotel when she traveled. She bragged about being tough, laying off thousands of employees. She gutted R&D at the same time she was giving millions to Gay Rights parades. She boasted that HP would be company that built nothing, designed nothing and sold nothing. All aspects would be outsourced. Any employee that worked for her would instinctively hate her worse than any democrat. Watch, she will do for the country what she did for Lucent.
Posted by: dumpsterjuice at January 27, 2015 11:22 PM (gEfeA)
She's a perfect example of failing upward.
Posted by: Brisco_County at January 27, 2015 11:44 PM (tD74j)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 27, 2015 11:56 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 28, 2015 12:04 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2015 03:33 AM (wlDny)
Yeah, I'm going to refer to him as Bergoglio from now on. Catholics are stuck with him, but I'm not, and it's getting to the point where calling this political hack "pope" might even be an insult to Catholics.
Conservative Catholic laypeople really should call a meeting at Avignon. Don't call it a synod. Yet.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 27, 2015 08:10 PM (AVEe1)
My 26-year-old son has called him "Pope Lenin" from the outset.
Posted by: Marybeth at January 28, 2015 06:19 AM (wRSX+)
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