So, Renee Ellmers

As you may know, I'm pro-choice, much like Rep. Renee Ellmers.

Now, superficially, it may seem like I should like her Pro-Choice position, which is so much like my own Pro-Choice position. If we're looking only at the position.

Which I'm not. Because whether or not Renee Ellmers agrees with my pro-abortion politics, which she plainly does, is besides the point.

The point that is foremost is this: GOP politicians must stop fucking lying about everything.

Here's a not terribly-well-kept secret: Most of the GOP establishment -- the elected officials, the shadow government of consultants and "think tank" people and so on -- has spent the great majority of its adult life in Progressive Dominated Social Circles, and have largely adopted their mores on a great many issues.

You know all those Corporate Donors who are so keen to make Mexico the 51st state?
Yeah they donate to the GOP as a form of Racket Protection but they've been schooled in progressive-dominated institutions and are for all intents and purposes progressives themselves (except on the issues of corporate taxation).

I'm not as bothered by this state of affairs as some conservatives might be; after all, I'm socially moderate (or even liberal-ish) myself.

But where I can agree with other conservatives is on this issue: The GOP must stop lying about every fucking thing.

The GOP treats its base like children who must be lied to with silly fictions to keep them in line, to keep them from playing out in traffic or making their face Stay In That Position Forever. Or, not quite as condescendingly, they treat GOP voters like marks in a con game.

Hey, at least there they're treating us as adults. Victims, yes, but adult victims.

Renee Ellmers is pro-choice. There is no dishonor in this (at least I don't think so, but consider the source).

But she is also pro-lying, and I've just about had my fill of it.

Sure, on this issue, I might actually support a little Tactical Lying on the part of the Establishment to keep abortion Safe, Legal, and Rare (which is their actual goal here), but I do not support the broader practice of lying about every fucking thing, such as the size of government, ObamaCare, Amnesty, and so forth.

The GOP, in its current incarnation, exists to legitimize, formalize, and strengthen the political gains made by the left-wing. The latter m'f'ers push American politics hard to the left through a series of gambits of dubious legality, and then the GOP comes in to say We retroactively bless these things as legal.

Enough. Enough.

If you're pro-choice, as I am, then fucking say so, and lobby for your position honestly.

But stop lying to every fucking one, treating GOP voters as if they are actually legally incompetent morons who must be tricked into doing the right thing.

This is precisely the same conception of the GOP base that the Progressives' have; I don't know if I should say the fact that the GOP shares this sentiment is scandalous or simply inevitable.

Renee Ellmers must be nominated as the first name on The Shit List. She must be voted out of office in 2016, even if this means installing (temporarily) Clay Aiken into that post.

It is good to hang and admiral from time to time, pour encourager les autres.

We need to take 10 of these m'f'ers out in 2016 to let them know we have our limits, and those limits were crossed in 2002.

When a Roman legion was guilty of cowardice or mutiny, they were sentenced to the punishment of Decimation, the execution of every tenth man, to encourage the remaining 9/10ths to take their obligations to the Roman state more seriously.

It is time to begin the practice of Tactical Decimation -- just firing people from their sinecures, not executing them, of course -- to let the GOP know we have no further need of soldiers who refuse to fight.

Posted by: Ace at 11:45 AM

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1 Wow.

Posted by: HH at January 22, 2015 11:46 AM (Ce4DF)

2 We need to take 10 of these m'f'ers out in 2016 to let them know we have our limits, and those limits were crossed in 2002.
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Ace, you mentioned before the notion of getting conservatives together to specifically defeat liberal Republicans.

Will Renee Ellmers be the first target of ACEPAC?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 11:47 AM (78TbK)

3 16th?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 11:47 AM (jjaLl)

4 If we're gonna lie, we should be lying to the Dems.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at January 22, 2015 11:47 AM (Ztfnl)

5 btw what happened in 2002?

Posted by: willowk at January 22, 2015 11:48 AM (nqBYe)

6 You can't handle the truth!

Posted by: Reince Priebus, who only lies to protect your feelings at January 22, 2015 11:48 AM (Dq8Uc)

7 In that vein, "pro-abortion" or "pro-abortion rights" are more truthful than "pro-choice".
It can be argued that keeping slave was a "pro-choice" position.
This should be regarded for it is; a new, "pecuilar institution".

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 11:49 AM (Spluw)

8 They done found us out, Cletus.

Posted by: Juan McCain at January 22, 2015 11:49 AM (lG2E3)

9 Alternatively the GOP just needs a new base.

Democrats prefer for their candidate to lie to them. Seems to be just us conservatives who think there is a problem with it.

Posted by: blaster at January 22, 2015 11:49 AM (Rx8ML)

10 Yes, get rid of one in ten, let the others know we're watching---and voting.

lying pricks

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 22, 2015 11:49 AM (A98Xu)

11 btw what happened in 2002?
Posted by: willowk at January 22, 2015 11:48 AM (nqBYe)
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Don't know but probably wasn't good.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 11:49 AM (z27Ny)

12 So had conservatives voted 3rd party in 2012 instead of for Romney, would we be in this mess today?

I said at the time Romney couldn't win...and I was right. I pointed out that supporting Mitt Romneycare in 2012 would tell the establishment they could do whatever they wanted to...and I was right.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 11:50 AM (78TbK)

13 ALBANY -- Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, the longtime Albany power broker, surrendered Thursday to face multimillion dollar federal corruption charges, the Daily News has learned.

A stunning five-count criminal complaint accused the Manhattan DEMOCRAT, a state political fixture for decades, with pocketing more than $6 million in bribes and kickbacks in return for wielding his massive influence.

Silver stands accused of pressuring real estate companies doing business with the state to hire two law firms that were regularly paying him bribes, the 35-page complaint charged.

More than half of the $6 million came after Silver steered $500,000 in state funds to a doctor who in turn referred asbestos cases to Weitz Luxenberg, a personal injury firm affiliated with Silver for decades.

... these are federal charges. I guess he didn't give enough of his ill-gotten gains to Obama

Posted by: SMOD at January 22, 2015 11:50 AM (e8kgV)

14 I would never lie to you, not like those darn Republicans.

Posted by: Barack Ebola, whose words are true in an alternative universe at January 22, 2015 11:50 AM (Dq8Uc)

15 The GOP's a one eyed three card monte dealer...

and I am holding a pair of sixes.

By primary if possible and by -d if need be...

some lying assholes are getting unemployed.

If Ogabe gets EVERYTHING he wants I'd be FAR happier if it was a -D bobsled course.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 11:50 AM (/4AZU)

16 The GOP must...

We need to...

Those and a quarter will get you a steaming cup of jack squat.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 22, 2015 11:51 AM (SCcgT)

17 btw what happened in 2002?
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Conservatives gave the Republicans the House, the Senate and the Presidency...and the Republicans tacked left.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 11:51 AM (78TbK)

18 We need to take 10 of these m'f'ers out in 2016 to let them know we have our limits, and those limits were crossed in 2002.

Types......
Deletes...
Types......
Deletes...

Where I'd like to take them out TO would get the banhammer.

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 11:51 AM (aMV0K)

19 whut was that about?

Here's a not terribly-well-kept secret: Most of the GOP establishment -- the elected officials, the shadow government of consultants and "think tank" people and so on -- has spent the great majority of its adult life in Progressive Dominated Social Circles, and have largely adopted their mores on a great many issues.

that not me bro

Posted by: Mitt Romney2016 at January 22, 2015 11:51 AM (W6iIX)

20 GOP?
Oh, the f*cking spineless shit stains that refer to themselves as republicans. Yeah f*ck them.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 11:51 AM (XzRw1)

21 I liked this rant better when I first read it on Twitter.

Posted by: Hipster Moron at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (VAsIq)

22 Who knew that Bob Etheridge was the more truthful guy in that 2010 race? Jeez.

Posted by: LegalLurker at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (KAAoD)

23 so abortion became legal in 1973, it is 2015.
Is there really any question that any leadership is going to Ban abortion?

Posted by: willowk at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (nqBYe)

24 Is Clay Atkins the secret alter-ego of Clay Aiken or is he a different guy altogether?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (1RNgT)

25 "The GOP treats its base like children who must be lied to with silly
fictions to keep them in line, to keep them from playing out in traffic
or making their face Stay In That Position Forever"
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And that's exactly how Democrats treat their base.... so basically, almost every politician of every stripe is, at the core, a shitbag.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (jjaLl)

26 You know all those social research projects that say that conservatives are stupid that come out about once a year or so from some liberal college or think tank? Republicans read those just like democrats do. Apparently, they believe them, just like democrats do.

Posted by: huerfano at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (bAGA/)

27 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (kff5f)

28 Bravo, Ace!

Yes, stop fucking lying all the time. Period.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (ABcz/)

29 13 Posted by: Smod at January 22, 2015 11:50 AM (e8kgV)

Eh...Chicago and New York have always had a hate hate relationship in the graft-a-lympics...

This is Ogabe trying to get the Chicago Democrat machine a guy in power in Albany...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (/4AZU)

30 This act of cowardice by the GOP, especially with a law that we have freaking 2-1 support for (!!!!!!), has officially told me that I no longer have a party. I especially started feeling that way with these idiots voting for Boehner for Speaker again, but this takes the f***ing cake.

I will no longer support my rep Mulvaney when his next 2 years come up. I will probably vote 3rd party for president unless Cruz, Paul, Walker, or Perry is the candidate. I'm done.

Screw the GOP, screw the Washington Beltway d-bags, and screw any "conservative" commentator who keeps repeating the mantra to stay with the party.

Let. This. Damn. Thing. Burn.

Posted by: ICBMMan at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (zCVYv)

31 I'm against lying and killing unborn people without due process.

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (unXFy)

32 Sorry, Ace, I don't think you go far enough.

The GOP:
Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (kff5f)

33 This movie must've been really awful. Ace said the f--- word several times.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (/Ho8c)

34 Best of luck changing the system from within. All you dinks that pray to SMOD have got the right idea. You just need to come to the realization that eventually it's gonna come down to you. And then us. And then all of us.

Ich bin ein SMOD. withdraw consent. hasten the collapse.

Posted by: Your Vote MATTERS. Really, it does. at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (RJN20)

35 18-1 ty, ty.

Posted by: willowk at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (nqBYe)

36 Politicians lie. News at 11

Posted by: Kate58 at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (MvtKs)

37

Oh shut up, silly woman

said the reptile with a grin

You knew damn well I was a sssssssnake

before you took me in

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (kdS6q)

38 I lived in Kansas for quite a few years. There, the Rs & the Ds trade off governorship & legislature control fairly regularly (or at least used to). When a D governor would come along, who promised to veto any abortion bill, the Rs would dutifully provide one for the governor to veto. And when a R governor came along, even when the Rs also controlled the legislature there was never any such bill put up for vote strangely enough. Odd.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (MbqmP)

39 Is Clay Atkins the secret alter-ego of Clay Aiken or is he a different guy altogether?
***
He is an ok singer, kind of effeminate, but knows how you can lose weight and stay healthy with his diet plan?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (78TbK)

40 Ugh, no hector sock.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 11:54 AM (MbqmP)

41 I fully support liberals killing their children. Just makes it easier for my children to succeed. Chop away drones.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at January 22, 2015 11:54 AM (oDCMR)

42 Clay Atkins ain't no kin of mine.

Posted by: Chet Atkins at January 22, 2015 11:54 AM (lG2E3)

43 Also, once more: it is not the Renee Elmers, the John Boehners, or Mitch McConnels who are the "RINOs." Given their positions of power in the Republican party, they are the "True" Republicans.

It is Conservatives who are the RINOs.

It's time for a 3rd party.
And probably a National divorce.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (kff5f)

44 I am about done with the Repuke Party myself. Te leadership always goes for the "moderate". Moderate is a liberal in denial.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (wlDny)

45 Isn't everything that comes out of their mouth lies or some sort of vile bodily fluid.

Fug 'em, fug 'em all. And instead of hanging a few admirals. I say we go with the entire Navy here. (And no not the USN)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (2Aj5D)

46 anyway, i had thought lying was part of the pragmatic approach politically. but then again i never realized they actually were sincere at some point.

Posted by: willowk at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (nqBYe)

47 34 Posted by: Your Vote MATTERS. Really, it does. at January 22, 2015 11:53 AM (RJN20)

I'm partial to the Yellow Stone caldera...

and I say that as someone who will be living within a 150 miles of the dead zone....

YellowStone Caldera '16-why play dice with the American ELE?

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (/4AZU)

48 SMOD. It is the only way.

Posted by: ICBMMan at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (zCVYv)

49 The only way to change anything is to put 500k to a million people on the steps of the capital coupled with taking out the majority of leadership.

Remember we took out that little shit Cantor, didn't have any effect whatsoever.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (BaTpq)

50 Boner almost lost his election for speaker. I mean, it was a real squeaker! If that's not enough for you ingrates then maybe you're just a bunch of goddamned spoiled babies.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (1RNgT)

51 I take it that this is a go-ahead to release the F-bomb?

Posted by: rickl at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (zoehZ)

52 Is Clay Atkins the secret alter-ego of Clay Aiken or is he a different guy altogether?
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (1RNgT)

Isn't he that meat diet guy?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (W5DcG)

53 maybe this time i shake off the' k'

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (nqBYe)

54 I will probably vote 3rd party for president unless Cruz, Paul, Walker,
or Perry is the candidate. I'm done.
***
I was at this point in 2012. Mitt Romneycare was the last straw for me.

We need some way to document this movement. The R establishment believes they can keep up the corporatist gravy train and lie to us. We need to make it clear that we will no longer give them the keys if that is what they are going to do...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (78TbK)

55 Is Clay Atkins the secret alter-ego of Clay Aiken or is he a different guy altogether?

He played Sheriff Elroy P. Lobo in the popular TV series BJ and the Bear.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (JO9+V)

56 BRING BACK DECIMATION!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Guy Who Wants to Bring Back Decimation at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (CzBeD)

57

This is all the natural progression of things, much like the appearance of upper lip and back hair on beasts like Rosie O'Donnel.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (jzdfJ)

58 Even a lot of pro-choice people can see that partial birth abortion = infanticide. Is it really so bad to want to stop the Gosnells while other abortion continue?
Because for the progressives, partial-birth abortion isn't enough. They've already got their sights set on euthanasia. Sorry, "right to die."

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (ABcz/)

59 Ace,
It's not just the lying. After all, that's a matter of principle and I've been told repeatedly by the Smart Set that clinging to ideology is not pragmatic and does not win elections.
What gets me more is that this wasn't even good politics.
If there was an issue with the bill (which Kevin Williamson says there wasn't -- it was not significantly different from a one that passed) then Ellmers should have raised that privately and made her argument to leadership well-before the eve of the March for Life.
Instead, she makes one of the most twisted arguments about the bill in public (I will vote for it, but whip against it, and write a piece denouncing it when it passes after I've voted for it) and, as the steaming turd on top of this nonsense, she claims to be speaking for WOMEN.
Then her cheerleader from Team McCain, Anna Navarro, openly on Twitter chortles about how this was an historic move by Republican Ovaries In Congress. She literally says the substance of the bill does not matter -- what matters is that GOP Lady Parts exerted their power.
I know in my head (which is filled with sciency goodness from my Ph.D. in developmental biology from the University of Chicago) -- and my heart (which is filled with humanistic belief in the value of human life) -- that abortion is killing an innocent person. I think most people know in their hearts that late term abortions are killing a person and, in many cases, killing a viable person (hence in conflict w/ Roe v Wade). Polling shows that women, in particular, do not support late term abortions.
But I also believe that the best strides will be made by technology and one-on-one dialogs. So, as much as I hate abortion, I have never made it a litmus test issue.
Not now. I want Ellmers' seat. I want her taken out for what she did. She's a cancer on the GOP and an embarrassment to women everywhere.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 11:57 AM (9BRsg)

60 Can we all agree that there IS no "two-party" system here? They all have the same goal, more government control; they just use two different methods to achieve it.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 11:57 AM (jjaLl)

61 "Safe, Legal, and Rare"

If you're pro-abortion,as you say, why should it be rare?

Posted by: BuckIV at January 22, 2015 11:57 AM (CLfqv)

62 52 Is Clay Atkins the secret alter-ego of Clay Aiken or is he a different guy altogether?
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 22, 2015 11:52 AM (1RNgT)

Isn't he that meat diet guy?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (W5DcG)

No, he was the actor in the John Wayne movie Rio Lobo, you know the one with young Ricky Nelson and HAWT ANgie Dickinson.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 11:57 AM (vPh3W)

63 Lizzy @58 one would hope it's the least they could do!

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (nqBYe)

64 Can someone explain to me why a rape victim needs more than 5 months to decide if she wants to abort?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (/eTPT)

65 We.

Who Are About To Vote.

Salute You.

Posted by: SPQR Moron Horde at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (4CVLy)

66 Why are you wingnuts so obsessed with this whole "truth" thing anyway?

Posted by: The GOP at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (CzBeD)

67 In that vein, "pro-abortion" or "pro-abortion rights" are more truthful than "pro-choice".

It can be argued that keeping slave was a "pro-choice" position.

This should be regarded for it is; a new, "pecuilar institution".

Posted by: Blue Hen
.........
No they are not.

I am certainly not pro-abortion. It disgusts me. And I would counsel any woman who asked my opinion to not go through with it.

However, I am pro-choice. It's her decision.. it is between her and her God.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (4+IgA)

68 Is it really so bad to want to stop the Gosnells while other abortion continue?
***
When you can get the abortion crowd to comment on Gosnell, they are generally upset he went to jail. The general belief is that yeah, he wasn't a great doctor, but he was doing Gaia's work in reducing the number of babies born to a certain demographic...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (78TbK)

69 "Also, once more: it is not the Renee Elmers, the John Boehners, or Mitch McConnels who are the "RINOs." Given their positions of power in the Republican party, they are the "True" Republicans.

It is Conservatives who are the RINOs.

It's time for a 3rd party.
And probably a National divorce.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (kff5f)"

Yep. I never really claimed to be Republican, but I always voted for Republican candidates. No more.

When it comes to abortion (especially abortion after 20 weeks, WTF?!?!) that was an issue social conservatives had in the bag. And the GOP managed to screw that up. That tells me they never were fully behind it in the first place.

Posted by: ICBMMan at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (zCVYv)

70 Two peas in a pod. Not a dime's worth of difference between them.

Posted by: George Wallace at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (lG2E3)

71 ALBANY -- Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, the longtime Albany power broker, surrendered Thursday to face multimillion dollar federal corruption charges, the Daily News has learned.

A twofer for dems. Cuomo isn't the one doing it, and obama can grant him the pardon on the way out.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (Spluw)

72 gope -we are running against Obamacare!

we really are!

ok it is too much to ask us to stop Obamacare and illegal immigration.
we'' ll tweak both (maybe )!

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (nqBYe)

73 I saw Tactical Decimation open for Simple Minds at the Fox Warfield in SF in 1981.

Seriously, right on ace-man. Truth to fucking power. 1 in 10.

Posted by: JohnDoe@AnotherQuidam fka eureka! at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (SMyjc)

74 Thanks for the post Y-not. That was well written.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (vPh3W)

75 Well, I'm out of ideas.

[obscure cultural reference to an obscure movie character in an unremarkable movie staring Sigourney Weaver.]

Posted by: 89 at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (A3Ult)

76 >>>51 I take it that this is a go-ahead to release the F-bomb?

not really. the objection is over how many times it's said.

Sometimes you gotta say it, but it also doesn't have to be a meaningless intensifier used in every comment.

I don't use it that often. I use it sparingly, for a purpose. Here that purpose it to signal I am enraged.

but the use of it in the comments every sixth word just because the letters exist and can be combined into this word is a bad idea. not only is it ineffectual, but advertisers count how many times it's used.

i mean i don't want to say don't use it. I don't impose that rule on myself.

But choose your spots.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (E+pqw)

77 72 Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (nqBYe)

Hey pull this finger....it'll give Ogabe everything he wants on net Neutrality too!

The GOP-why have two parties?

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (/4AZU)

78 "but stop lying to every fucking one, treating GOP voters as if they are actually legally incompetent morons who must be tricked into doing the right thing."

Yeah, killing a viable child is never the right thing, but I agree, hang the fucking liars.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (MYCIw)

79 He was also great at General Aldo in the original Battle For The Planet Of The Apes

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (JO9+V)

80 "Safe, Legal, and Rare" If you're pro-abortion,as you say, why should it be rare?
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That's how i like my steaks, not my dead babies

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (/eTPT)

81 Late-term abortion is infanticide. It should be banned just as we ban killing your newborn infant.

We euthanize rabid dogs with more care than we abort late-term babies.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

82 Do you know which right wing, arch-Christian, sex hating country you can't get an abortion after 20 weeks in?

France

Posted by: A Trappist monk at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (TETYm)

83 Can someone explain to me why a rape victim needs more than 5 months to decide if she wants to abort?

___
He it takes time to find out which fray brother has the most money.

Posted by: Rolling Stone Magazine at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (78TbK)

84 Also... who needs HALF of a pregnancy to decide to kill their unborn child?

And as for the "reporting requirement..." WTF? I have to have a police report to get the "Uninsured Motorist/Hit-and-Run" deductible for damage to my car. Why is reporting rape or incest such a high bar?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (kff5f)

85 I think the Shit List definitely needs to happen, and I'm all on board with making Renee Ellmers first on the list. By the time the election rolls around, we may have more egregious nominees, but lets get rid of a good, solid 10 of them or so.

If anybody will set something like that up, I'll volunteer money and time to kick some of these lying, traitorous jackasses to the curb.

Posted by: OSUsux at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (DFXmi)

86 "If you're pro-choice, as I am, then fucking say so, and lobby for your position honestly."

Which starts with admitting it's killing. I could respect the pro-choice lobby a lot more if they didn't try to rationalize away innocent life as a "choice" or "blob of cells."

We have lots of good reasons to kill people. Abortion is the only instance where the person has done nothing to warrant the killing, but that doesn't necessarily render it per se illegal in the sense that morality with a basis in religion can't be the basis of law. It's nice for the religious of the two coincide without conflict, but religion can't be the starting point.

It must be at least acknowledged that the unborn are every bit as human as many others who the left seeks to embrace as funded wards of the state, and that the unborn also bear no culpability for their existence.

This admitted, if you believe there is a strong argument that killing humans for another human's convenience or some larger societal good is justifiable, that's the argument.

Just don't keep repeating the bullshit that it's lack of viability without mother or expensive medical care renders it non-human. Shit, the 40-some percent of the country Romney properly called out could be euthanized on this basis. Cut off government paychecks, "earned" or unearned, and they will not go back to being hunter gatherers. The vast majority will die.

Dependency does render an otherwise human being un-human. Termination of a human life is killing. Own it and then argue from an intellectually honest position.

Posted by: 0302 at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (N6eLE)

87 The 'rare' part I always attributed to the circumstances leading to an unwanted pregnancy would be uncommon. What with all the free birth control and such.

I have long considered Abortion Rights to be a pure example of preventing a woman from having to make up her damn mind.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (4CVLy)

88 No they are not.I am certainly not pro-abortion. It disgusts me. And I would counsel any woman who asked my opinion to not go through with it.However, I am pro-choice. It's her decision.. it is between her and her God.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

And the majority of the Confederate army never owned slaves. But they fought for the right to own slaves, a right that the Confederacy enshrined in their constitution.
And this decision to which you refer excludes the man; unless of corse child support is in the offing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (Spluw)

89 I was at this point in 2012. Mitt Romneycare was the last straw for me.

For me it was when George W called me a racist for being against amnesty. The final nail came with the nomination of the little crippled troll McCain.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (XzRw1)

90 "A majority of rapes in the country go unreported, she noted."

If they are UNREPORTED then HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS A RAPE?

WHAT THE FUCK. I can't BELIEVE I sent money to this scrunt way back in 2010.

Posted by: blindside at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (b5Sdx)

91 things the GOP has helped shove down our throats even though the vast majority of Americans don't want it.

1. Oboehnercare.

2. Ghey marriage.

3. Amnesty.

4. Late term abortion.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (XUKZU)

92 He played Sheriff Elroy P. Lobo in the popular TV series BJ and the Bear.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 22, 2015 11:56 AM (JO9+V)

Also starred in "The Misadventures of Sheriff Lobo", can't forget that spinoff.

Posted by: BuckIV at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (CLfqv)

93 This post may be a new AoSHQ record on the f bomb to regular prose ratio metric.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (CzBeD)

94 >>> "Safe, Legal, and Rare"

If you're pro-abortion,as you say, why should it be rare?

...

I think war and execution shoujld be rare too.

You know, you can stuff this silly Absolutism that you guys trot out for ONLY THIS ONE SINGLE ISSUE. every other issue of life and death you are willing to employ a circumstantial analysis, but on this ONE issue, you trot out an artificial absolutism and begin accusing anyone who doenn't subscribe to your artificial absolutism of being PRO MURDER.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (E+pqw)

95 As a lifelong Republican, it is encouraging to see Rep. Ellmers take a stand against the extremists.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (Ks4nX)

96 Well, I'm out of ideas.
___
We're all gonna die man.

Posted by: Pvt Hudson at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (78TbK)

97 I agree, Ace.

Let's work hard to get a real alternative nominated to replace those on the shit list, and if that doesn't work, vote for the democrat.

I'm tired of the republicans ending up being democrats-in-all-but-label. High time to send the RNC a message they won't miss. We're done with candidates who lie and play politics the democrat way.

Maybe we should start digging up dirt on these people to use against them in the primary? Or just start a whisper campaign?

Posted by: elaine at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (Y0Piu)

98 Perhaps they know if they told us how they really want to govern , we would realize they are not really different in future hope for America.

how many times do we here uh J McCain met with Soros etc . WTH! would they have to speak about?

I mean this doesn't help me believe in OUR greater good for the U.S.A.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (nqBYe)

99 Man, I'd pay good money to watch some sort of cooperative Ace and Alexthechick back-and-forth rantathon. No one does it better. Maaaybe Dennis Miller, back in the day. Maybe

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (Qjl+9)

100 ", she claims to be speaking for WOMEN."

And here's where I get really pissed off. This bitch does not speak for me. It's very personal to me since my water actually fucking broke at 22 weeks and I actually fucking had people pushing me to abort because, compassion.

People claim to "speak for me" by using my condition as a bludgeon to kill other children and I'm not sure there's enough words to express how much this outrages me.

So no, bitch, you speak for yourself.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (MYCIw)

101 When I was buttfcuked raped by Oboehnercare, they didn't believe me and called me a racist.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (XUKZU)

102 Absolutely correct. The GOP exists to codify the gains that Democrats make in office.

When have they seriously challenged anything that Democrats have done?

Based on the language I am hearing, Obamacare will be the next victim of the GOP Mendacity Goon Squad. We have a plurality of candidates and the national GOP itself that ran on repealing Obamacare. In exit polling it was the most significant issue that brought people to the polls.

But now we are getting some watered down language and talk about undermining it or some such metaphor for retreat.

These people are a bunch of cowards. Not only don;t they stand up for us, but they can't stand up for a five-month old fetus.

They disgust me.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (GGCsk)

103 I'm fine with handing out morning after abortion pills like candy. I'm not fine with waiting until the baby is fully formed and it's brain is working and can recognize it's mother's voice .. and then killing it. Are they trying to maximize human suffering.

5 months should be enough time to decide if you want to kill your baby.

I don't object to all abortions, just be a decent human being and do it as early as possible to minimize the suffering.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (ZPrif)

104 Two peas in a pod. Not a dime's worth of difference between them.

Posted by: George Wallace at January 22, 2015 11:59 AM (lG2E3)

What about a silver dime?

Posted by: Luap Nor at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (JO9+V)

105 Let me talk to you 'wingers about politics.....

Posted by: Arlen Specter at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (W6iIX)

106 >>Lizzy @58 one would hope it's the least they could do!

Exactly, it's not asking much of our socially liberal GOP to stop the horror show of Gosnells. That is not "choice", that is not 'oopsie, looks like I made a mistake last month and I need it vamoosed,' that is letting something grow inside of you for 8+months and then killing as it attempts to take it's first breath.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (ABcz/)

107 *hear* McCain or one of ours met with soros*

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (nqBYe)

108 "As you may know, I'm pro-choice"

Is there *anyone* at AoSHQ who isn't?

Posted by: zerk at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (dFBkj)

109 98 Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (nqBYe)

It means that you should invest in brass and lead futures and get out of the way of leviathan....

National divorce is probably the only answer and it will only come after District One blows its brains out.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (/4AZU)

110 1. Oboehnercare.

2. Ghey marriage.

3. Amnesty.

4. Late term abortion.
***
Don't forget the permanent $4T+ budget!

Posted by: Things the Republicans have helped give us at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (78TbK)

111 "Sure, on this issue, I might actually support a little Tactical Lying on the part of the Establishment to keep abortion Safe, Legal, and Rare (which is their actual goal here)..."

Allowing abortion after 20 weeks isn't keeping it rare.

The rest is spot on though.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (9T05o)

112 "Safe, Legal, and Rare"

Ah, there's the rub. The pro-choice movement has shown that it really only cares about the second. Attempts to ensure the former are treated as attempts to ensure the latter, and attempts at the latter are treated as sacrilege. There is not a single abortion the left would deny; their record stands as testament to this.

Posted by: Hal at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (hmPdt)

113 Reminder: Our national serious switch was turned to the off position, nailed there, and sealed with epoxy when the Berlin Wall came down.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (659DL)

114 Lizzy, it's truuly incomprehensible.

wait no it's not!

it's murder.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (nqBYe)

115 Lizzy, it's truuly incomprehensible.

wait no it's not!

it's murder.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:04 PM (nqBYe)

116 However, I am pro-choice. It's her decision.. it is between her and her God.

Nope. Just like slavery, there's another person involved in the transaction. And, yes, "it" is a person.

Remember: if it's not actually a baby, then you're not actually pregnant.

Posted by: RKae at January 22, 2015 12:05 PM (cBh+e)

117 "If you're pro-choice, as I am, then fucking say so, and lobby for your position honestly." Which starts with admitting it's killing. I could respect the pro-choice lobby a lot more if they didn't try to rationalize away innocent life as a "choice" or "blob of cells."

This also includes not robbing women of THEIR decision to carry a child. No one has ay fucking right to tell a woman who was attacked that their pregnancy doesn't matter. It was THEIR CHOICE. The death toll from the Ft. Hood terrorist attack deliberately excludes the child oneof the victims CHOSE to carry.

"Choice" today recognizes abortion; nothing else.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:05 PM (Spluw)

118 "Safe, Legal, and Rare"

If you're pro-abortion,as you say, why should it be rare?

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Rare means mostly black.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:05 PM (XUKZU)

119 >>So no, bitch, you speak for yourself.

Amen!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:05 PM (ABcz/)

120 Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed- interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing sprit- crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing you last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?

Posted by: Obligatory Trainspotting Quote at January 22, 2015 12:05 PM (zxQ4h)

121 55 million abortions since roe v wade, tell me ace, when do we get to the "rare" part?

Posted by: unk at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (3CRsb)

122 So, it only took four years for this whore to turn into a typical, smarmy politician? Wow, nice principles you have there, Renee. I look forward to the end of your political career.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (1Y04b)

123 The m'kers, as far as I am concerned, are those who support abortion. I'm a single-issue voter when it come to that, and I consider any pro-anortion republican to be a liberal democrat in disguise. I don't know whether Elmers is lying or not -- quite frankly all that matters to me is how she votes on the issue -- but if she is, her worse sin is supporting abortion, not lying about her position.

You want a republican party with a pro-choice plank? Go for it. They'll lose the base completely, it's it'll Dems til the end of the century.

Posted by: Average Joe at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (S7y6x)

124 We'll have to discuss this later, I'm running late to give an award to Hillary!

Posted by: Jeb at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (vPh3W)

125 In this situation the Reps weren't following the progs, they originated and owned the pro abortion movement.
The Reps up to the mid to late 70s were more pro abortion than the once heavily catholic dens.
The bases flipped but the rep elites ( think Barbara Bush) still were followers of Sanger.

Posted by: Avi at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (4CQud)

126 "Maybe we should start digging up dirt on these people to use against them in the primary? Or just start a whisper campaign?"

Hey, I'm an open book. Well, except for the moldy lederhosen I don't keep under my bed.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (lG2E3)

127 am I socking a dead guy?

that's low

Posted by: Arlen Specter at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (W6iIX)

128 My position on abortion is if you are a pregnant woman who has considered aborting your child then that child has already lost the mother lottery. Also forcing someone to be a mother doesn't work. And current adoption laws suck ass. There is no perfect world where abortion won't happen. Sadly enough.

Posted by: NCKate at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (EBMYe)

129 At this point, even the bond vigilantes are so deeply marinated in Leftism, they believe the government creates wealth.

Posted by: Oschisms at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (uqV2n)

130

Lookit, they will get around to supporting this, but right now the answer is jobs, and that's their main focus, jobs, jobs, jobs and workin with the Presient to get more jobs into the economy, and get back to our prosperity.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (jzdfJ)

131 The base commander at GITMO has been relieved "for cause".

http://is.gd/mfOwO8

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (wlDny)

132 The base has short memories. They'll just check the box for "R" because it's "better" than the alternative. The GOPe counts on it.

Look at Mississippi. Look at all the idiots that think Romney or Jeb! (or Huckster, for that matter) should run. So long as we keep enabling these fools, we will be eating shit over and over again.

I think something new needs to happen. People need to start running as independents against Dems where Dems have a monopoly and Ls, Cs, or Rs where the Rs have a monopoly.

Time to take this bitch DOWN.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (HBAcW)

133 When have they seriously challenged anything that Democrats have done?
***
The last time the R's actually implemented a "controversial" conservative policy was welfare reform in the mid-90s.

Of course the current R's let that be undone through SSDI, semi-permanent "unemployment insurance" and the rest...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (78TbK)

134 ... these are federal charges. I guess he didn't give enough of his ill-gotten gains to Obama

I'm sure it's not too late....to make things, just go away.

Posted by: Paladin at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (+Wvn3)

135 ... And it'll be the Dems til the end of the century.

Posted by: Average Joe at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (S7y6x)

136 I agree. Either you're pro life or pro death, I mean pro choice... You can't be both...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (Bn6aD)

137 There's about 1M abortion a year in the US..
About 20% of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) are aborted.

That's not very rare.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (ZPrif)

138 122 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2015 12:06 PM (1Y04b)

She also damn near set the record for the triple lindy 180 degrees back to zero re-flip...

she runs to the net to say "contrary to rumors I will vote for the measure"...

She is as honest as Schumer and as moral as Reid.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (/4AZU)

139 uh, ...and Ls, Cs, or RIs where the Rs have a monopoly.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (HBAcW)

140
I'm tired of hearing about abortion as a womens' issue. Last time I checked, 52% of babies are male.

It isn't a privacy issue, and it isn't a womens' issue, it is a human rights issue - the human rights of the baby - the only 100% in every case innocent one, and the only one facing death.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (aH5Wv)

141 118 "Safe, Legal, and Rare"

If you're pro-abortion,as you say, why should it be rare?

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Rare means mostly black.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:05 PM (XUKZU)

Isn't it already that?

Posted by: Avi at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (4CQud)

142 At 24 weeks premature babies are routinely surviving today.

The error margin on estimate of the gestation period is between 2-3 weeks ( at 20 weeks).

How about we compromise and pass the bill with the threshold at 22 weeks?

Posted by: A Trappist monk at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (TETYm)

143 Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (E+pqw)

The pro-life movement specifically thinks abortion is, in fact, murder. I don't know why you're surprised or would expect otherwise.

Posted by: Hal at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (hmPdt)

144 Renee Ellmers must be nominated as the first name on The Shit List. She must be voted out of office in 2016, even if this means installing (temporarily) Clay Aiken into that post.

----

OK. And then....?

The GOPe will run another Trojan Horse GOPe candidate pretending to be conservative. And the GOPe bullies will go into their song and dance about how not voting for the R will be the same as voting for the D, how half a loaf is better than none, and all of it.

And the dance continues.

I quit the GOP, permanently. I don't give them money, I don't vote for their candidates, for the simple reason that they are too far gone to save. The Shit List ultimately doesn't matter because there are plenty more Renee Ellmers out there who are eager to whore themselves out for power.

So fuck them all.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (eytER)

145 If politicians didn't lie would they have anything to say?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (WNERA)

146 Return of the Rockefeller Republicans... the ones Reagan bested to become President.

Its like Groundhog Day meets.... Attack of the Zombies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (twMaC)

147 anyone seen my walker?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton 2016 at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (W6iIX)

148 "How about we compromise and pass the bill with the threshold at 22 weeks?"

See my earlier post.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (MYCIw)

149 "How about we compromise and pass the bill with the threshold at 22 weeks?"

See my earlier post.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (MYCIw)

150 "Safe, legal and rare?" More like just the first two are all they really care about. The third is just a rhetorical dodge.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (UWTjh)

151 >>Is there *anyone* at AoSHQ who isn't?

I am a no-exceptions pro-lifer. No rape exception. No incest exception. No exceptions.

Speaking for myself, I can't come up with a sound scientific or moral basis for deciding when during development an innocent human life should be treated like a genital wart. I realize other people hold a different view. I hope, with time, to persuade them to become pro-life.

It would have been better if the GOP had not put up a bill that they did not have the will or skill to pass, than to have what happened yesterday. They are incompetent fools.

BTW, I also oppose capital punishment, which I realize is most definitely a fringe view on the Right. I don't vote based on that position, nor would I light a candle for a murderer on Death Row, but as a matter of public policy I think it's bad for society.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (9BRsg)

152 "I fully support liberals killing their children. Just makes it easier for my children to succeed."

You know, maybe this is the way to go. I mean, we are the party of death and destruction, amiright? If we start being for abortion and specifically saying that it's because all those minority kids are the ones getting aborted, it could cause a great deal of cognitive dissonance on the left...

Of course, no anti-abortion person would do that...it would be too much like lying.

Posted by: Last at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (8HiDF)

153 Can't we go a MONTH without pivoting away from the economy, executive overreach, fixing a failed foreign policy, rolling back amnesty, etc. in order to focus on the vagina and completely validate everything the #waronwimmen crowd has been shrieking? If the Rs want to campaign on a no-late-term abortion platform, then do it openly and run on that and get elected. But they were swept into power based on a lot of other stuff and by very carefully avoiding falling into the Todd Aiken trap. I really hate to say it, but I agree with the GOP leadership on this one. Just my $.02.

Posted by: major major major major at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (MXoOG)

154 Regardless of the outcome of the election itself ace's approach has value: Putting the Scare into candidates is an unabashed good thing. Doing so on a specific basis -- You Lying Scrunt being one -- helps keep the focus.

It'd be great if there were some sort of mid-tier blogger who'd volunteer to be Spartacus for this effort ....

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (4CVLy)

155 Regardless of the outcome of the election itself ace's approach has value: Putting the Scare into candidates is an unabashed good thing. Doing so on a specific basis -- You Lying Scrunt being one -- helps keep the focus.

It'd be great if there were some sort of mid-tier blogger who'd volunteer to be Spartacus for this effort ....

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (4CVLy)

156 I am going to go further than "vote them out".

Dig. Dig for everything. Dig for anything and anything which, if brought to light, can be used to utterly destroy these people.

I do not just mean to end their career for a decade. I mean for all time. I mean things that would keep them from showing their faces in public, ever.

We are well past the point where "civility" is or should be a thing. Remember the boxes--soap, ballot, bullet, use in that order?

Well, we're at the absolute last stop before the third box, boys and girls.

Put up or shut up time.

(And for the record...I have my own project. Hope you liked your run, Mrs. Roby...)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (DT3rQ)

157 The base commander at GITMO has been relieved "for cause".

http://is.gd/mfOwO8

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM

He ordered a "Code Red"

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (2Ayux)

158 As usual, Ace nails it, tactical political decimation appears to be the only rational non-violent option open to us. Without it, I'm probably not going to vote again, and certainly not if my DC GOP betters have decided my candidate is Mittens, Christie, or Bush.

Dave Brat proved it can be done, and, by the way, exposed Cantor for the shill he was!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (ftVQq)

159 Stories like these, and the hyped candidates - HEY HEWITT, STFU ABOUT ROMNEY ALREADY! - I think I am sitting out 2016. We gave them the Senate and the House, and Boehner id thanking us with amnesty and Obamacare.

I cannot vote for this party again. I just can't.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (1Y04b)

160 I believe in abortions: There are already too many of you.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (WNERA)

161 Rare means mostly black.
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Frankly I had thought that at the time [Roe v. Wade]
was decided, there was
concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations
that we don't want to have too many of.

Posted by: Justice Ginsburg on R v W at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (78TbK)

162 Its like Groundhog Day meets.... Attack of the Zombies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (twMaC)

Attack of the Zombie Groundhogs?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (kff5f)

163 20% of all pregnancies ending in abortion seems the opposite of rare. And it's 40% of all unintended pregnancies that are aborted.

The rare thing is obvious bullshit.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (ZPrif)

164 Isn't it already that?
Posted by: Avi at January 22, 2015 12:08 PM (4CQud)

Yep. More black pregnancies end in abortion than live birth. But, y'know, #blacklivesmatter and all.

(That might statistic might be geographically limited; I can't recall now.)

Posted by: Hal at January 22, 2015 12:10 PM (hmPdt)

165 Speaking of lies. Not sure I would really want to lie about the Mossad.

http://tinyurl.com/q3tqy5c

"Despite Democrats' Claims, Mossad Chief Favors Additional Iran Sanctions"

On 19 January 2015, Mossad Chairman Tamir Pardo met with a delegation of American Senators. The meeting took place at the Senators' request, and with the Prime Minister's approval.

Contrary to the report, the Mossad Chairman did not say that he opposes additional sanctions against Iran. In the meeting, the Mossad Chairman emphasized the unusual effectiveness of the sanctions imposed on Iran a number of years ago in bringing Iran to the negotiating table.

Posted by: RWC - Showerin'? Ain't nobody got no time for dat! at January 22, 2015 12:11 PM (fWAjv)

166 Abortion is fine except when there is scientific reason to prevent it. For example, if an LGBT gene(s) is identified, then no baby (or tissue blob) possessing said gene(s) should be eligible for abortion.

Posted by: HRCista at January 22, 2015 12:11 PM (z27Ny)

167 Not that it changes much of this conversation, but she did walk this back now.....

Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2015 12:11 PM (GGCsk)

168 Heh.

I'd say more but gloating is unbecoming.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 22, 2015 12:12 PM (8TqNO)

169 I ain't a bloomin' fool -- you can bet that I see!

Posted by: Pvt Thomas Atkins at January 22, 2015 12:12 PM (xq1UY)

170 91 things the GOP has helped shove down our throats even though the vast majority of Americans don't want it.

1. Oboehnercare.

2. Ghey marriage.

3. Amnesty.

4. Late term abortion.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (XUKZU)

________

Agree with 1, 3, 4.

But to say the vast majority of Americans disapprove of SSM is an outright lie.

Posted by: Democrats at January 22, 2015 12:12 PM (0LHZx)

171 BTW, I also oppose capital punishment, which I realize is most definitely a fringe view on the Right.

I -was- a supporter of capital punishment. In theory still am, but...in light of the current state of things...it is a capacity I cannot, in good conscience, allow the currently degraded and corrupted state to wield.

Funny old world, this.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:12 PM (DT3rQ)

172 Funny Katherine Timpf satiric article up at Tepid Gas mocking manspreading and other recent feminist issues..

Of course, being Tepid Gas, many of the commenters are attacking her because they don't recognize obvious satire.

Posted by: Citizen X at January 22, 2015 12:12 PM (7ObY1)

173 specifically saying that it's because all those minority kids are the
ones getting aborted, it could cause a great deal of cognitive
dissonance on the left...
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Um...that's the point of abortion dear.

Posted by: Justice Ginsburg at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (78TbK)

174 167 Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2015 12:11 PM (GGCsk)

Correct she realized "oh fuck I forgot *I* am supposed to worry at least somehwat about the GOP audience not my donk ass cocktail partners rhetorically"....

she is spinning like an epileptic on a sit and spin....

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (/4AZU)

175 I personally don't believe in abortion, but that's my view. Politicians should voice their views, not hide them for votes.I hate to say it but abortion is the law of the land...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (Bn6aD)

176 The GOP still has learned the bigger lesson. When they talk about social issues, they're on the losing side of the debate.

You'd think Aiken would have been a bug fucking wake up call. But nope. Let's talk about gays and abortion again for 2016, what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

177 Left my communist monk sock on

Posted by: Jean at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (TETYm)

178 Back when my wife and I were trying to adopt, they made us go to child rearing classes. One of the ides was that you give a child choices but only those choices you can live with. For example, you can watch SpongeBob or Jimmy Neutron. Left unstated is you cannot watch Girls.

This is what pro-choice means to the pro-choicers. You can have early term abortion or you can have late term abortion (but you can't have baby-killing-free zone.)

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (XUKZU)

179 And current adoption laws suck ass.
Posted by: NCKate

Ya think that this was accidental?
Leftists demanded that asylums be clsoed, and then howled about mentally ill people who can't begin to cope.
leftists hated orphanages. Take a look at foster care. And drug addled women coming back and demanding their children. And unstable 'mothers' on various forms of welfare. And how supposedly EVERYONE has to learn the identity of their birth parents, because they need a donor testicle.
This is followed by, "why don't rich white couples want to adopt blacks, and instead adopt from the third world?"
Because the same assholes advocating abortion, and mentally ill women being out on their own gutted domestic adoptions.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (Spluw)

180 In the case of rape is such a tissue thin fig leaf its not even funny anymore. How many pregnancies result from rape? Ask those who push that excuse what the real percent is and they won't even know so will conjure one out their arse.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (twMaC)

181 Posted by: 0302 at January 22, 2015 12:01 PM (N6eLE)

Damn straight. All of that.

Posted by: Book at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (AlkUj)

182 Her district is one of the most gerrymandered districts in NC. Google up NC second district and look at its shape.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (wlDny)

183 In the Spartican Revolt, one legion bolted and it was decimated. The procedure was to line them up, and count off every tenth man. The others then beat the designated ones to death.

I think Renee Ellmers may be in her last term, however. Beating a few of them to death politically would suit me just fine.

Posted by: Quartermaster at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (MZBD5)

184 108
"As you may know, I'm pro-choice"

Is there *anyone* at AoSHQ who isn't?

-------------------

Does my vote count?

Posted by: The Baby in the Womb at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (jjaLl)

185 I hate to say it but abortion is the law of the land...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (Bn6aD)

sorta like slavery was?

Posted by: that moron at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (W6iIX)

186 176 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

Oh look it is Mr Kuh Kuh

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (/4AZU)

187 Jesus jumped-up Christ on a crutch! I think Ace is finally getting it!

Its not that we expect to agree with every position that a candidate holds in order to vote for them. But we DO expect them to be honest about it and let US make the decision if we agree on 9/10 8/10 or 3/10,

Honestly, this constant, constant lying is going to lose them more votes "by far" than any one or two agenda item disagreements. I am 46 and have voted straight ticket R EVERY election except the last one and against HW Bush because that motherfucker looked me in the eyes and said "Read my lips" and straight up LIED.

I'm no purist, but I DO believe in having an honest accounting from the person that wants my vote.

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (VG2KM)

188 Agree with 1, 3, 4.

But to say the vast majority of Americans disapprove of SSM is an outright lie.
--

In the comments last week I calculated the total population of the states where SSM was passed either by referendum or by legislative vote. The total population of those states was less than 20%.

The Science is Settled. /sarc

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (9BRsg)

189 As stated above, I agree that people who are pro-abortion want it to be safe, legal and available. They really don't give a crap if it's rare or not.

At some level they understand that their position is distasteful to their own morality so they throw out the word "rare" to soothe their own nerves.

Posted by: BuckIV at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (CLfqv)

190 I agree in principle with Ace about the anti-lying part.

But here's the thing: it's related to this phenomenon.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/201304/

"People Who Like Republican Policies Hate Republicans Anyway, Without Knowing Why."

At this point, image is more important than substance, sad to say.

Republicans who are viewed as mean meanies won't win, or will have a much harder time winning, regardless if they are correct on the merits.

Please remember that Obama won in 2012 because he secured the "cares about people like me" vote.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (uOAjL)

191 The way I see it at this point politically is that late-term abortion is more akin to euthanasia. There is a line that is crossed when you think it's OK to kill a viable baby (whether you do the pick to the brain or leave it in a closet).

When someone supports this specifically, then they're mostly there for supporting similar things, such as:

*Liverpool Care Pathway - starving grams and gramps
*Gronengen Protocol - removing all care from sick babies
*Right to Death - Actively offing yourself (or I suspect, others assisting you in the decision), when yo are terminally ill*

*Note: Over half of Kevorkian's "patients" weren't terminally ill!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (ABcz/)

192 Abortion: never has motivated any personal behavior or political behavior, ever, in my case (may be first time I've even typed the word on a blog comment - that's how much it's never been part of my world). However .... as a logic machine more than a human, the "pro choice" thing (kudos to Blue Hen above for a similar point) has always been an embarrassingly transparent fallacious dodge.

So, speaking of being honest, it might be best not to pretend to believe in the histrionic and obvious logical fallacy that it's a question of "choice" - it's not, it's a question of defining the beginning of life. That definition may, reasonably, end up leaving a window for abortion. But it's not about "choice" or individual liberty, it's about defining beginning of life, since obviously nobody would pretend to believe that taking life (outside of war and self-defense and law enforcement) falls in the zone of individual liberty or choice.

(leaves topic forever, returns to main point of ace's post, a critical one, the disappearance of a true opposition non-statist party in the US)

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (afQnV)

193 You'd think Aiken would have been a bug fucking wake up call. But nope. Let's talk about gays and abortion again for 2016, what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Aiken was an opportunist, an idiot and a liar. He's the poster boy against open primaries.
And the GOP didn't start the shit about gays. Some gays (including Gabe) did, and the left.

Try again.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (Spluw)

194 When we ha e an oligarchy ( government by the powerful), the people who will use their power to (violently) control others (thugs) will eventually gain control.
When we have a democracy (government by the largest group of people), people who will use their power to (deceitfully) control others (liars and con men) will eventually gain control.
We're supposed to be a Republic (government of laws), but that hasn't been the case for years. That leaves us with liars or thugs as leaders.

Posted by: crazywalt77 at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (eI9k+)

195 Is there *anyone* at AoSHQ who isn't?

Straight up pro-life. The only exception I can countenance is "lose the baby or lose both".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (DT3rQ)

196 "The GOP still has learned the bigger lesson. When they talk about social issues, they're on the losing side of the debate. "

Your delusional. Late term abortion polls worse than support for boiling kittens.

Most people don't even realize that late term abortion is a legal option. PP V Casey? Huh? Is that about Casey Anthony or someting?

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (MYCIw)

197 "But where I can agree with other conservatives is on this issue: The GOP must stop lying about every fucking thing."

They can't and won't. That is our Two-Party system. They both are in governance for themselves. As Party members, they're essential sworn to play the electoral game which means not representing their constituents. That is the deal with the devil these professional Statists make. It's a failed system.

They train for the position. They pay for the position. They'll lie to retain the position. It's what they do. It's all they do. They are professionals. They aim to rule, not represent, via party dominance.

Every once in a while, a candidate of honor appears and succeeds in spite of the system; but all are tested and almost all fail the test.

We have an oligarchy with the illusion of a democracy. I wish it wasn't so. The Overton Window moves here and now just like it has through all of human history: to the Left with concomitant loss of individual freedom until collapse.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (1CroS)

198 sorta like slavery was?

Yep, but unlike slavery I don't think this will be repealed....Science my prove Me wrong...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (Bn6aD)

199 Posted by: major major major major at January 22, 2015 12:09 PM (MXoOG)

Too late. The damage is already done. One side wanted to highlight it by scheduling it with the right to life march, the other wanted to bury it.

They should have had this argument months ago. These fools just aren't very strategic.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (HBAcW)

200 We euthanize rabid dogs with more care than we abort late-term babies.

We euthanize rabid death row convicts with more care than we abort late-term babies.

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (aMV0K)

201 >>In the case of rape<<

Guttmacher states that is 1.5% of abortions.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (GGCsk)

202 Tactical Decimation sounds like a good plan. It also sounds like an Eighties arcade video game, but that makes it even better.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (CAJL/)

203 Abortion is a winning issue for Repubs. Most people are pro-life since abortion is so obviously evil.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

204 But to say the vast majority of Americans disapprove of SSM is an outright lie.
***
It would appear that the left has "changed heard and minds" by using the power of government and economic elites to punish those that disagree.

How do you measure the support for something when it has been publicly demonstrated that opposition can cost you your job?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (78TbK)

205 Y-not, I agree. I wouldn't allow abortion before 20 weeks in so much as agree to not prosecute all involved for murder before 20 weeks.

Posted by: Jean at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM (TETYm)

206 The only exception I can countenance is "lose the baby or lose both".
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Even the Catholic Church permits medical procedures to save a mother's life that may result in the loss of the baby.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM (9BRsg)

207 I'm in Colorado now, and so have no one to target.

Corey Gardner just got in and may not have learned to lie yet. My other senator is a D.

I am in the second congressional district which includes Boulder, so we'll be over-the-top communist forever.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM (vSxTY)

208 In the comments last week I calculated the total population of the states where SSM was passed either by referendum or by legislative vote. The total population of those states was less than 20%.

The Science is Settled. /sarc

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (9BRsg)

__________

2008 was the last time a state passed an anti-SSM ballot measure. In 2010, 2012 and 2014 all ballot measures related to the subject passed in favor of SSM or were rejected in favor of SSM (ie MN where a measure to ban SSM was rejected by voters).

And virtually every poll over the past year has shown SSM support is higher than anti-SSM, with a few polls showing support over 50%.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM (0LHZx)

209 1.5% Amazing how close that is to a certain 4% that seems to drive so many of the other claimed policies of the Left.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM (twMaC)

210 YEA! We were European before they were....
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/central-bank-prophet-fears-qe-184842967.html

Posted by: Paladin at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM (+Wvn3)

211 I'd look forward to a third party, if only because then there would be no "Establishment!!!!!" for the Base to blame when it start making the same mistakes the GOP does. I still think "RINO hunting" is the reason why we're stuck with Obamacare, but whatever. In the long run, a new party might help conservatives to shake off it's need to be the victim.

Speaking of lying to the base, can we start "firing" parts of our rightwing media? I'm tired of the flatterers who tell us how strong we are when we clearly end up doing nothing and voting for weaklings. We need less Limbaughs in the movement. Morale is good, but not delusion.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 22, 2015 12:18 PM (EQcfE)

212 Does anyone else hear a fly buzzing in this thread? A small, know-it-all, bigoted anti-Semite fly...?

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:18 PM (eytER)

213 " That definition may, reasonably, end up leaving a window for abortion."

No it doesn't. There is a biological definition. There is no question. A new, unique human life begins at amphimixis. The end.

Hey, you said you were a logic machine

But seriously. The science is so laughably simple, yet people seem to fall back on "well I feelllllll' Yeah that's bullshit. There is no personhood fairy.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:18 PM (MYCIw)

214 In the Mollie Hemingway article linked on the sidebar, it shows Ellmers promoting the exact same bill in 2013 that she just aborted. What changed? Hmmm. Let me think. Oh, right, it could pass the Senate this time.

Oh no, we couldn't have that.

I'll continue to disagree with Ace on the issue of abortion. But I respect him for being up front about the matter, and his willingness to acknowledge that there are serious objections to it that have merit. If only the GOPe would do the same.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 22, 2015 12:18 PM (+/C3g)

215 203 Abortion is a winning issue for Repubs. Most people are pro-life since abortion is so obviously evil.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

_____

Tell me you forgot the /sarc

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (0LHZx)

216 *Liverpool Care Pathway - starving grams and gramps*Gronengen Protocol - removing all care from sick babies*Right to Death - Actively offing yourself (or I suspect, others assisting you in the decision), when yo are terminally ill**Note: Over half of Kevorkian's "patients" weren't terminally ill!
Posted by: Lizzy

mark Steyn noted something similar during the hideous ordeal of Terry Schaivo. There was a great push for the "right to die" a documents stating when and why care and in this case sustenance. She died of thrist.

But no one, especially on the left, wanted to talk about a right to continue living. All of the emphasis was on being able to force through a decision to terminate her and others.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (Spluw)

217 We nearly have the most lax abortion laws in the world. And it's because most Americans are unaware of this fact. They believe it's rare and hard to obtain. Which is false. We have abortion on demand now and most Americans don't realize that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (ZPrif)

218 190- this is true. I think if we're going to ban abortions after 20 weeks (and I strongly support this) we should make a big stinkin' deal about it. Take pride in it. Have our most ardent prolife women stand up and own the legislation and talk about it on the news. Then pass the thing and Make. Obama. Veto. It.

Force him to stand up and say "yea, this procedure, which calls for the ripping apart of a human being inside its mother's womb, I support that."

Force the media to have the conversation they've been avoiding for 50 years.

Posted by: Book at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (AlkUj)

219 Even the Catholic Church permits medical procedures to save a mother's life that may result in the loss of the baby.

Well aware of that, probably where I come by it myself. Of course it's also a bit of a no-brainer by any standard, so there is that as well.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (DT3rQ)

220 Straight up pro-life. The only exception I can countenance is "lose the baby or lose both".

This.

And that's so vanishingly rare that I hesitate even to bring it up, because it gives the baby murderers an extra out.

If you're okay with killing a baby for no cause beyond they're inconvenient- at least say so. But killing someone for no cause beyond their inconvenience is murder.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (kff5f)

221 Tell me you forgot the /sarc
--
No, monstrous dipshit, I didn't.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:19 PM (ZPrif)

222 But to say the vast majority of Americans disapprove of SSM is an outright lie.

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Ghey marriage has never won an election, not even in land of fruits and nuts California.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:20 PM (XUKZU)

223
168 Heh. I'd say more but gloating is unbecoming.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 22, 2015 12:12 PM (8TqNO)

You know, if you had written on this in far less strident terms than ace there would have been at least 3 commenters who would have been losing their shit at you attacking the GOP again.

Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2015 12:20 PM (zt+N6)

224 212 Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:18 PM (eytER)

Ja mein fruend...

http://tinyurl.com/plbxmsr

Mr. Kuh Kuh

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:20 PM (/4AZU)

225 >>Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:17 PM

I could not find my interest in your juvenile opinions with a 300keV transmission electron microscope outfitted with a helium-cooled specimen stage.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:20 PM (9BRsg)

226 20 weeks is a dumb formulation - 5 months is better.

Using weeks makes it sounds like less time. Like referring to a 3 year old as only 36 months old.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

227 223 Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2015 12:20 PM (zt+N6)

Quite....

those of us who saw the train coming back in '08 are not popular...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (/4AZU)

228 The GOP still has learned the bigger lesson. When they talk about social issues, they're on the losing side of the debate.

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True, but this is a winning issue (71% women agree). This is purely a question of courage, and the GOP shows they don't have it.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (HBAcW)

229 Same Sex Marriage

Pew RC Poll, Sept 2014:

Approve 49%
Oppose 41%
Other 10%

Gallup, May 2014:

Approve 55%
Oppose 42%
Other 4%

PRRI, April 2014

Approve: 55%
Oppose: 39%

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (z27Ny)

230 Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (E+pqw)

So it's use should be rare...like abortion. Or should abortion be as rare as the use of the word?

Posted by: blindside at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (b5Sdx)

231 2014 polls on SSM:

YouGov: 54% support
Pew: 49% support, 41% Oppose
Gallup: 55% support
Pew: 54% support
Wapo/ABC: 59% support
Public Religion Research Institute: 55% support

But I know, I know, the polls are skewed, Romney will win by 5% and in reality 77% oppose SSM.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (0LHZx)

232 Doesn't the House have a few more important things to do? We know this will not pass or at least it won't be upheld by the SC...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 12:21 PM (Bn6aD)

233 Yep, but unlike slavery I don't think this will be repealed....Science my prove Me wrong...
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If the right rises up and creates an actual opposition party, one of the first things they will do is ban elective abortions.

If they don't, and we continue to go left one of two things will happen...

Either society will collapse, and while there won't be laws at anything beyond the local level, people also won't have the materials to be frivolous about things like pregnancy anymore...

Or the left will get their honest to evilness Stalinist tyranny and the plebes won't be allowed to have sex for the fun of it...

So in the long run the abortion industry will go away...the question is whether it will only be after our society is destroyed or not.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (78TbK)

234 Rush on his nfl screed once again. Turns tuning dial.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (XzRw1)

235 >>At some level they understand that their position is distasteful to
their own morality so they throw out the word "rare" to soothe their own
nerves.

Most active abortion supporters (the activists) have already come out about not really supporting "rare." In fact, the biggest abortion provider in the UK has said that it is OK with sex-selective abortion. Their reasoning is that they support abortion, regardless of the reason a person chooses to abort.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (ABcz/)

236 I thought we weren't supposed to say FUCK.

And I really stopped, which was fucking difficult.

Well fuck that.

I'm gonna say fuck.

Fuck.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (6G698)

237 I was almost aborted

Posted by: Sen. Patty Murray (D., Wash.) at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (W6iIX)

238 Had a coworker one time say she was Pro-Choice. Then she got preggers by her husband and was so happy. And I was mentally thinking 'only because you want this one.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (twMaC)

239 "just firing people from their sinecures, not executing them, of course"

Aw crap.

::: stands down :::

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (noWW6)

240 Also, Ace this goes back to the arguments we as a group have had about "electibility" and being pragmatic.

The side that you have in the past supported seems not to mind the lying as long as the R's win.

The other side considers that to be akin to going against their ethics since they are being asked to vote for a blatantly lying asshole (Romney, McCain, on and on and on).

To many of us winning is not the most important thing. Winning NOW and then going against what you say you believe is less that winning in THE END....winning the argument.

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (VG2KM)

241 Could it be said a bright side to this episode is that Ellmers showed some true colors (RINO) vs the conservative she as here in NC?

Posted by: fastfreefall at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (VmS5M)

242 Yep, Let it Burn.

Let. It. Burn. Baby.

With utterly mad glee I await the coming fire. My only regret is the innocents who will be caught up in the destruction our 'leaders' and the idiotic segment of the populace (apparently the majority) are dragging us into with ever-increasing gusto.

The shock and anguish and wails of "how could this happen to us?!" ...I admit, I will enjoy a great deal more than I ought.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (9LuAk)

243 From one of the Pew Polls:

52% of Republicans aged 18-50 support SSM.

For fucks sake, the battle is over. You lost. Get over it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

244 I think war and execution shoujld be rare too.

You know, you can stuff this silly Absolutism that you guys trot out for ONLY THIS ONE SINGLE ISSUE. every other issue of life and death you are willing to employ a circumstantial analysis, but on this ONE issue, you trot out an artificial absolutism and begin accusing anyone who doenn't subscribe to your artificial absolutism of being PRO MURDER.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (E+pqw)

Ace...why are you pro-legal-abortion (let's call it what it is).

Posted by: blindside at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (b5Sdx)

245 Yeah Ellmers' amendment makes a complete joke of the bill. "Oh I was raped" yikes, sorry, fortunately you are carrying approximately half that scumbag's DNA code right here in your bloodstream, so... "NO YOU CAN'T USE THAT".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (8FLjN)

246 . Their reasoning is that they support abortion, regardless of the reason a person chooses to abort.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (ABcz/)

wait till they find a 'gay gene'

so you can start aborting gak kids.

then I suspect the rules may change

Posted by: Big Mike the steam shovel at January 22, 2015 12:24 PM (W6iIX)

247 "234 Rush on his nfl screed once again. Turns tuning dial."

*sigh*

Posted by: Chet Cognomen at January 22, 2015 12:24 PM (RwwCT)

248 Ace: "We need to take 10 of these m'f'ers out in 2016 to let them know we have our limits, and those limits were crossed in 2002."

Agreed.

I think you'll need to start flogging your blogging to get this tactic into action. It's a grassroots effort that needs to start now and to get traction outside of the Horde. Can you and the cobloggers (of those who agree) start a regular, periodic post to sort of start a "public" minutes" of action? Like, how many other outfits you contacted (or how many contacted you) to join the program; which House and Senate members are on the Hs*t List; who do we need to donate to for the primary challenger... and so on.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 22, 2015 12:24 PM (1CroS)

249 238 Had a coworker one time say she was Pro-Choice. Then she got preggers by her husband and was so happy. And I was mentally thinking 'only because you want this one.'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (twMaC)

________

Huh? So you're saying it's impossible to be pro-choice and want to have kids?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:24 PM (0LHZx)

250 AllenG, #43:

"It's time for a 3rd party."

We have three major parties.

One supports the rapid expansion of the federal government in all aspects of daily life. No intrusion is unsound on general principle. This party supports a generally dovish foreign policy.

One is fine with a massive federal government with fingers in every pie, so long as they're running it, and supports its expansion but at a much more gradual rate than the first. This party supports a generally hawkish foreign policy.

And one actually wants a smaller federal government, and thinks some things are not the government's business. On foreign policy its members are split between hawks and those very reluctant to intervene anymore, because how's that been working out?

The latter two parties are both called Republican, and the second does a wonderful imitation of the third around election time.

Posted by: JPS at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (d7XCj)

251 AMEN, ACE! count me in!

Posted by: Ruth Ruben at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (XDMAg)

252 > The only exception I can countenance is "lose the baby or lose both".
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> Even the Catholic Church permits medical procedures to save a mother's life that may result in the loss of the baby.

It's a bit more nuanced then that. The procedure's purpose can't be to terminate the life. For instance, in ectopic pregnancy, the Church says you can remove the fallopian tube which would burst and therefore cause the woman to bleed to death, as a treatment, which does result in the unavoidable death of the fetus as a secondary consequence, but you can't abort the fetus in an attempt to save the Fallopian tube, because the positive end now comes through the abortion not alongside it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (0q2P7)

253 238 Had a coworker one time say she was Pro-Choice. Then she got preggers by her husband and was so happy. And I was mentally thinking 'only because you want this one.'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:22 PM (twMaC)

________

Huh? So you're saying it's impossible to be pro-choice and want to have kids?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

254 But choose your spots.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:00 PM (E+pqw)

Yeah, I'm bad about that. Sorry, Ace.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (fwARV)

255 20 weeks is a dumb formulation - 5 months is better.

20 weeks is half a pregnancy, and pregnancies are generally followed based on the week. Such and such happens at week 15, and such and such happens at week 22 and so forth.

That's why they use that formulation.

5 months might be better to sell the legislation (not that it's really needed- most people hear 20 weeks and instinctively think "yeah, that's enough time"), but the legislation probably still needs to say 20 weeks.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (kff5f)

256 ace I applaud your open stance on this issue, despite a majority of your readership (myself included) standing to the right of you on this. At least you can have an honest conversation about the issue and why you believe as you do.

The police reporting requirement, IMO, is not an onerous one. Filing a report does not require one to press charges. Having been called on to perform rape exams multiple times, I always encourage the (alleged)* victim to file a report because it keeps their options open AND may help to catch and convict repeat offenders.

*I am pretty sure that some of these victims I have examined are having regrets about what they chose at the time and are blame-shifting. Not all of them or even a large minority, but not a trivial percentage either.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (Gosad)

257 mark Steyn noted something similar during the hideous ordeal of Terry
Schaivo. There was a great push for the "right to die" a documents
stating when and why care and in this case sustenance. She died of
thrist.
***
I was always perplexed by the stated arguments for murdering Schaivo. According to those in favor, she was no longer mentally there. So from her perspective...what's the difference?

And the question of the money to keep her alive...something there was an argument about...we are currently giving handouts to illegals and paying for studies into the effects of beer goggles.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (78TbK)

258 Abortion IS a winning issue for conservatives. This country has drifted more pro-life over the years. Lots of Gallup polls back that up, and lots of state-level legislative victories also back that up (e.g. Texas).

What is NOT a winning issue for conservatives is clumsy talk about abortion where we talk about it Todd Akin style.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (uOAjL)

259 Just because you can't win by winning doesn't mean you'll win by losing.

Also they're incapable of learning the lesson you want to teach and will immediately draw the wrong conclusion and move further left.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)

260 Revolutions always purge the moderates, ten squishes per cycle. It will encourage the others.

Posted by: Jean at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (TETYm)

261 I think abortion is horrible, the ultimate failure of humanity, but do I consider everyone who has had one a murderer? No. I believe that as horrific and anti-humanity the act is, many of those who have the procedure truly know not what they do. An ignorance of biology, a life of propaganda, constant social permission/approval, must all contribute to the decision, but I don't see malice. If I truly considered abortion Murder, what would I do differently? I don't know.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (2cS/G)

262 Washington Nearsider's comment from the morning dump is a great argument too: "If it's not alive, why do you have to kill it?"

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (L6/+u)

263 I thought we weren't supposed to say FUCK. Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry

I didn't know this......

I will endeavor to refrain.

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 12:27 PM (VG2KM)

264 ". They believe it's rare and hard to obtain. Which is false. We have abortion on demand now and most Americans don't realize that."

Yep, the name "Carhart" gives me the same sick feeling as "Mengele ". If anyone reads Gonzales V Carhart, they'd feel the same. It's heartbreaking, and unfathomable.

And yet no one knows.

But you know, let me explain in case that includes some of our morons.

You probably know that partial birth abortion was banned some years ago. That procedure involved delivering the (viable) baby legs first until you reached the head. At that point, you inserted sissors into the base of the head and used a suction canuala to remove the baby's brain.

We determined this was too inhumane, so the following alternative is now used.

While the baby is fully alive, the "doctor" reaches into the mother's uterus with forceps and pulls the limbs off of the child one by one. This massive trauma typically, but not always, kills the child at osme point in utero. Once the child has been dismembered enough to pass through the cervix, the doctor pulls the child out. If he survived, he is set aside until he stops breathing.

That is late term abortion. If you support that, you are a monster. Sorry, not other alternatives.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:27 PM (MYCIw)

265 However, I am pro-choice. It's her decision.. it is between her and her God.

With you on that. I think it's Human Sacrifice to the god of ones-self. "I don't want to be burdened with a baby" to paraphrase our Dear Leader. Birth control works very well, almost as good as Abstinence, self-denial, and no ass at all. There are plenty of families looking to adopt an unwanted baby, but if she goes full term, she might not be willing to give the baby away....Who knew?

Posted by: Paladin at January 22, 2015 12:27 PM (+Wvn3)

266 Feeling kind of sick right now as someone who has voted for her. I called up her office and explained my feelings to a staffer. At least Clay Aiken seems like he would have been honest about his views. I'd rather have an honest opponent than a backstabbing "ally."

Posted by: Betrayed at January 22, 2015 12:28 PM (9Lsj+)

267 "just firing people from their sinecures, not executing them, of course"

Aw crap.

::: stands down :::
Posted by: torquewrench

>>Starts unloading the truck.

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 12:28 PM (aMV0K)

268 The other think here is that Ms. Too-Clever-By-Half Ellmers is so fucking stupid, she evidently forgot the big picture:

Obama would veto the bill anyway. Make him.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:28 PM (HBAcW)

269
I'm tired of the republicans ending up being democrats-in-all-but-label. High time to send the RNC a message they won't miss. We're done with candidates who lie and play politics the democrat way.

Maybe we should start digging up dirt on these people to use against them in the primary? Or just start a whisper campaign?
Posted by: elaine at January 22, 2015 12:03 PM (Y0Piu)

I've thought about this but it is VERY important that the RNC and Republicans understand that these races are lost or close not because 'democrats turned out' or 'republicans didn't' but that Republicans turned out and voted FOR the Democrat or other 3rd party.

Actively campaign against the RINO and make sure iti is known why you are doing so.

Posted by: blindside at January 22, 2015 12:28 PM (b5Sdx)

270 259 Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)

as opposed to the current game which is democrats get their way...the GOP sells us out...the country keeps moving left under the dictatorial use of EOs "if need be"....

if the nation MUST move left let us go at fastest speed possible to "worker's paradise"....

that way I'll know which place to help be Finland to Obama's Soviet Amerika.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:28 PM (/4AZU)

271 Help an ignoramus out. On deflategate, was there actually a rule mandating the degree to which a football must be inflated?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:29 PM (XUKZU)

272 >>Huh? So you're saying it's impossible to be pro-choice and want to have kids?
<<

So you're saying someone who had an abortion as a matter of convenience, is an ideal mother?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2015 12:29 PM (GGCsk)

273 AllenG, zombie gophers might be an improvement.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:29 PM (twMaC)

274 but on this ONE issue, you trot out an artificial absolutism and begin accusing anyone who doenn't subscribe to your artificial absolutism of being PRO MURDER.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (E+pqw)

We frequently comment how the shrieking harpies on the left tend to lose people in one-on-one conversations by being shrieking harpies and refusing to even acknowledge that other positions can exist.

I am adopted. I was born to two college students (Harvard/Columbia - I know, I know). I was two months premature, had the cord around my neck and both collar bones broken.

I'm the poster child for Kids Who Are Generally Aborted.

I'm pro-life (and here's where I get flamed) in nearly every situation. I accept (not encourage, but accept) that abortion is sometimes a horrible necessity. You can convince me that rape/incest and life of the mother exceptions are okay.

But stop calling people murderers.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 12:30 PM (fwARV)

275 I think abortion is horrible, the ultimate failure of humanity, but do I consider everyone who has had one a murderer? No. I believe that as horrific and anti-humanity the act is, many of those who have the procedure truly know not what they do. An ignorance of biology, a life of propaganda, constant social permission/approval, must all contribute to the decision, but I don't see malice. If I truly considered abortion Murder, what would I do differently? I don't know.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 12:26 PM (2cS/G)

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I can agree with the above.

I also further postulate that jabbing a pair of scissors in the brain stem of a 28 week fetus as its head and shoulders are emerging from the birth canal IS murder.

So.... where to draw the line. 20 weeks???

Yeah ..... they shitcanned THAT idea.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 12:30 PM (NaV4z)

276 Huh? So you're saying it's impossible to be pro-choice and want to have kids?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:24 PM (0LHZx)
No it's not that, at least to me. It's about the arguments that the pro-abortion crowd uses to justify abortion, which quite frankly, borders on eugenics-tyle dehumanization. "Oh it's not a baby, it's just a clump of cells"; "Oh the world would be better off with fewer people due to overpopulation and resource limitations"; etc. So why would an ostensibly pro-choice person be HAPPY about a mere clump of cells which will bring starvation and famine to the planet due to overpopulation? Answer: Because they are lying with their weak rationalizations. The truth is, they don't give one flying fcuk about the unborn child. They are completely amoral on the issue. But they can't have any support for their position if they take the nihilist view so they come up with these weak-sauce rationalizations to fool the rubes.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:30 PM (uOAjL)

277 Help an ignoramus out. On deflategate, was there actually a rule mandating the degree to which a football must be inflated?
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Yes. And very specific rules for how it is tested and handled.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:30 PM (9BRsg)

278 Huh? So you're saying it's impossible to be pro-choice and want to have kids?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

Well, yes, it is ridiculous. It's also called a straw man.

You really are an idiot, Moo Moo. Go away. Seriously.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (MbqmP)

279
The base commander at GITMO has been relieved "for cause".

http://is.gd/mfOwO8

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2015 12:07 PM (wlDny)
Why? Did he sneeze in the direction of a koran.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (wyI5D)

280 http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

78% of people think abortion should be legal in some or all circumstances.

21% think it should be banned.

Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

281 271 Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:29 PM (XUKZU)

Yes 12.5-13.5 PSI....

http://tinyurl.com/k54ydn4

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (/4AZU)

282 This just in: Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue is fantastic.

(Pandora is a God-send)

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (kff5f)

283 Remember we took out that little shit Cantor, didn't have any effect whatsoever.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2015 11:55 AM (BaTpq)

Yup. And he was much better than Ellmers. At least he wouldn't do strategic shit.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (L2xDv)

284 Moo Moo, you are hilarious. Your "skewed polls" comment cuts exactly 100% the opposite direction that you imply. All the pro-SSM polls have been contradicted, with only a few exceptions, by actual voting.

SSM has still not been approved/accepted/whatever by the vast majority of Americans, when they have a voice and a choice. Recall Prop 8 won easily .... in CA .... in the same election cycle that saw the election of this idiotic affirmative action intern as "president". THAT is how wrong you are about where SSM falls in the political spectrum.

But the key thing is not SSM, it's the process, which is the archetype for top-down soft authoritarian "governance" that has overtaken the Land of the Free. The judiciary, long completely out of control and shredding the constitutional model, is showboating it's unconstitutional authoritarian prowess by imperiously (and arrogantly - check out the Third World, dystopican-novel-type rhetoric coming from the likes of Justice Kennedy and the corrupt dumbshit gay federal judge in CA).

So you're histrionically wrong, and relentlessly so, about the political realities (today - you may be right in 10-15 years, given the indoctrination of the yutes). But more importantly, you're missing how the SSM debacle perfectly embodies the dissolution of the American constitutional model.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (afQnV)

285 While the baby is fully alive, the "doctor" reaches into the mother's uterus with forceps and pulls the limbs off of the child one by one. This massive trauma typically, but not always, kills the child at osme point in utero. Once the child has been dismembered enough to pass through the cervix, the doctor pulls the child out. If he survived, he is set aside until he stops breathing.

That is late term abortion.

If it's good enough for babies, it's good enough for death row convicts.

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (aMV0K)

286 An absolute ban on all abortion is not favored at this time.

But absolute support for abortion under all circumstances has been falling for years now. That is how the country has been trending more pro-life.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (uOAjL)

287 Another Obama success!!

CNN Breaking News @cnnbrk 7m
Yemen's government resigns, official says. http://cnn.it/1CilfR6

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

288 Moo moo,

" By a margin of 59 percent to 30 percent, respondents to the new poll said they would favor a federal law banning abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy"

STFU and STFD

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (MYCIw)

289 Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:27 PM (MYCIw)
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How does a human being actually perform that type of procedure? It sickens me to the core of my being.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (jjaLl)

290 Vote for the Pander Bear Party! Your issues are our issues, as long you are standing in front of us!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (VAsIq)

291 Whatever one feels about abortion there is NO WAY that a woman doesn't know that she's pregnant within a month or possibly two and can't toddle down to planned parenthood and get an abortion. That women are voting for allowing abortion that late is heinous.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (DXzRD)

292 52% of Republicans aged 18-50 support SSM.

For fucks sake, the battle is over. You lost. Get over it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

I believe it should be a state issue. Would I be counted in support of SSM?

Posted by: Mainah at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (659DL)

293 189 As stated above, I agree that people who are pro-abortion want it to be safe, legal and available. They really don't give a crap if it's rare or not.

At some level they understand that their position is distasteful to their own morality so they throw out the word "rare" to soothe their own nerves.

Posted by: BuckIV at January 22, 2015 12:14 PM (CLfqv)

I'm calling bullshit on "safe" too.

Most Democrats would have been just fine if Kermit Gosnell continued his legalized death and dismemberment mill.

It's just a slogan and rhetorical dodge.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (9T05o)

294 >>The truth is, they don't give one flying fcuk about the unborn child.

That and, frankly, quite a lot of them assert their "right" (or the right of the mother, but not the father) to have that life eliminated. IOW, even if a woman decides to "evict" the baby she's carrying past the point of viability, the pro-abortion crowd asserts her right to have that child killed (usually inside the womb, but sometimes outside it). Because somehow the mere existence of this person who shares your DNA is somehow an affront to the pro-abortion mother.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (9BRsg)

295 Do you think the NRA would have tolerated her lack of support, just because Obama was going to veto it?

Make him veto it, make the Dim Senators vote to uphold the veto. Attack everyday, and twice on Sundays and Holidays.

Posted by: Jean at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (TETYm)

296 So "more abortion!" But "ban capital punishment!" And "no more war!"

Got it.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (GGCsk)

297 How does a human being actually perform that type of procedure? It sickens me to the core of my being.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (jjaLl)

The phrase "human being" should be a clue. Hint: they aren't.

Posted by: physics geek at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (MT22W)

298 78% of people think abortion should be legal in some or all circumstances.

21% think it should be banned.

Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

95% of muslims believe that speech should be legal in some or all circumstances.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 12:33 PM (MbqmP)

299 287 Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

Duh-mocracy in action comrades...

In'shallah

//Bronk

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (/4AZU)

300 78% of people think abortion should be legal in some or all circumstances.

21% think it should be banned.

Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

Abortions after 20 weeks are pretty much illegal everywhere in the world except China, North Korea and 4 other countries.

And one thing that I've discovered is that it's better to be consistent and reasonable than completely in sync with the fickle electorate.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (L2xDv)

301 But stop calling people murderers.

Fine with me.

Not my judgment they're ultimately facing anyway. Just don't ask me to pretend I don't know the score.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (DT3rQ)

302
technically roman decimation didn't always mean soldiers were executed.sometimes they were just banished to live outside of the roman forts which could be very dangerous and could lead to death but not always

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (lKyWE)

303 For fucks sake, the battle is over. You lost. Get over it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

I really don't think I could dislike you enough, you snide bastard.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (CAJL/)

304 Why? Did he sneeze in the direction of a koran.
Posted by: Dandolo at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (wyI5D)

He was eating adulteress 300 yards away from 4,000 Cubans who are trained to kill him.

Oh, and the cuckold was found dead floating in the ocean.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (vgIRn)

305 No it's not that, at least to me. It's about the arguments that the pro-abortion crowd uses to justify abortion, which quite frankly, borders on eugenics-tyle dehumanization. "Oh it's not a baby, it's just a clump of cells"; "Oh the world would be better off with fewer people due to overpopulation and resource limitations"; etc. So why would an ostensibly pro-choice person be HAPPY about a mere clump of cells which will bring starvation and famine to the planet due to overpopulation? Answer: Because they are lying with their weak rationalizations. The truth is, they don't give one flying fcuk about the unborn child. They are completely amoral on the issue. But they can't have any support for their position if they take the nihilist view so they come up with these weak-sauce rationalizations to fool the rubes.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:30 PM (uOAjL)

___________

And you give a fuck?

You're going to show up to the 15 year old's home to take care of the baby while she goes to finish high school?

You're going to take care of the crack whore's baby while she's off doing her thing?

It's so sanctimonious to sit there are pontificate about the evils of abortion. What about the evil shit that these unwanted kids will go through in life? Nobody from the pro-life crowd ever addresses that.

My rationalization is simple: it's a woman's choice, end of story. That's the whole pro-***CHOICE*** part of it. If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. But don't go around telling other women what they can or can't do.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

306 280 http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

78% of people think abortion should be legal in some or all circumstances.

21% think it should be banned.

Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

----
We're talking about a GOP betrayal on a bill prohibiting late-term abortions here. Try to keep up.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (HBAcW)

307 I wish abortion was an issue I really cared about.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Paranoia Punch with Electrolytes at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (hLRSq)

308 How does a human being actually perform that type of procedure? It sickens me to the core of my being.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 12:32 PM (jjaLl)

Yeah, I know, right!!

Posted by: J. Megela at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (wyI5D)

309 How to make friends and win arguments.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (LJcWW)

310 I've been making this point for some time.
The primary IS the main vote. If you lose and the GOP nominee is a squish that you can't support then plan B is to vote D in the general election. Holding your nose for the good of the party does nothing to clean out the system. In fact that's what the liars are counting on you to do. Staying home is also stupid, it does not send any message. Voting is the only message.
When you're in a war the enemy in your own camp is the one which must be dealt with first.

Posted by: exceller at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (/1owm)

311 to the Left with concomitant loss of individual freedom until collapse.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 22, 2015 12:16 PM (1CroS)

No sadder, or more true, words have ever been spoken.
Ben Franklin had the clue.

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (VG2KM)

312 "How does a human being actually perform that type of procedure? It sickens me to the core of my being."

Lots and lots of mind numbing drugs. Drug abuse is rampant among abortionists. I'd also say demonic possession, but you know, that would make me one of those crazy crazy Christians.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (MYCIw)

313 189 As stated above, I agree that people who are pro-abortion want it to
be safe, legal and available. They really don't give a crap if it's
rare or not.

This is completely true. Witness the hysterics the pro-abortion left gets into when they talk about the dwindling number of abortion clinics in certain areas of the country. There are some states that only have 1 abortion clinic for the entire state. That sounds rare enough, doesn't it? And yet bring it up and they will go into a tizzy about "access to abortion" and whatnot.

It's contradictory to want widespread access to abortion by having abortion clinics in every town, and also to have it rare. So, they choose the former.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (uOAjL)

314 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

Why are you bringing up SSM in a thread about abortion and Ellmer's lying about her views on abortion?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (DXzRD)

315

You know, you can stuff this silly Absolutism that you guys trot out
for ONLY THIS ONE SINGLE ISSUE. every other issue of life and death you
are willing to employ a circumstantial analysis, but on this ONE issue,
you trot out an artificial absolutism and begin accusing anyone who
doenn't subscribe to your artificial absolutism of being PRO MURDER.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (E+pqw)

What do you think it is, ace? A frog?

You have said yourself in posts of yore that the issue makes you feel uncomfortable. Why does it make you feel uncomfortable? Because it is murder, and you know it well.

This admission of a lack of understanding on MORAL ABSOLUTISM on this topic is staggering. A man believes a murderer deserves death, and that is that. A man believes a rapist deserves death, and that is that. That same man believes that people who defend them do not give a rat's plague-ridden ass about the victims.

A man believes that a baby in the womb being ripped apart with shears, vacuums, and saline solutions is murder, and that it must be stopped. Quid quo pro, an individual who believes those things, up against someone who defends the right to do those same things, of course believes that the person they are up against is pro-murder. It is murder. It's logic. This isn't I-love-science-sexually science. It's just plain common sense that every human being is equipped to figure out.

You know it.

I know it.

The entire country knows it.

For many and varied reasons, individuals choose to ignore it, and invent lies to comfort themselves - it isn't viable on its own, the rights of the mother, it doesn't have a soul yet and what is a soul anyway?.... but at the end of the day, when you look yourself in the mirror, you know you've sold yourself a lie.

Being angry at those who call you on it, and raging against a nonexistent double standard won't change that moment every day, when you look yourself in the mirror and decide to ignore the obvious lie you wake up and go to sleep with day in and day out.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (9LuAk)

316 mark Steyn noted something similar during the hideous ordeal of Terry Schaivo. There was a great push for the "right to die" a documents stating when and why care and in this case sustenance. She died of thrist.***I was always perplexed by the stated arguments for murdering Schaivo. According to those in favor, she was no longer mentally there. So from her perspective...what's the difference?And the question of the money to keep her alive...something there was an argument about...we are currently giving handouts to illegals and paying for studies into the effects of beer goggles.
Posted by: 18-1
There was contention between her parents, who wanted her to live, ad hwo volunteered to become her guardian, and her husband.
The husband was not idle after he became ill. She became inolved with another woman, had kids with her, but conitnied to play te dutifule husband; a husband who argued for her to die of thirst.

So much for choice. In this case, he ould have walked away, and ontinued with the new life that he had already begun. The decison of life and death of this human rested with him and him only.
Just as the decision to regard a young servicewoman's child as being a human rests with people who are "pro-choice". Not with her, not with her loved ones. In the eyes of current society, her right to choose means less than nothing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (Spluw)

317 Most people who are pro abortion don't understand that Doe v Bolton goes hand in glove with Roe v Wade. It allows abortion at any time up to live birth if the "doctor" (see Gosnell) determines that it will affect the women's health INCLUDING her "mental health".

I'm also all for giving the morning after pill like vitamins to those who are sexually active (including to those who are raped in commit incest). Abortion.is.murder.

Posted by: Timon at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (JGbLb)

318 "My only regret is the innocents who will be caught up in the destruction
our 'leaders' and the idiotic segment of the populace (apparently the
majority) are dragging us into with ever-increasing gusto."

what innocents? they either supported these fucks, or they stood idly by while it went down.

either way, their fingerprints are all over it too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (Vha1U)

319 310 I've been making this point for some time.
The primary IS the main vote. If you lose and the GOP nominee is a squish that you can't support then plan B is to vote D in the general election. Holding your nose for the good of the party does nothing to clean out the system. In fact that's what the liars are counting on you to do. Staying home is also stupid, it does not send any message. Voting is the only message.
When you're in a war the enemy in your own camp is the one which must be dealt with first.

Posted by: exceller at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (/1owm)

^^^^^^This, a thousand times

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (HBAcW)

320 303 Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (CAJL/)

He was a riot at Valley Forge....

"hey you dumbfuck asshole in the White Wig.... George...you lost get the fuck over it...not even 32% support independence...."

//Mr. Kuh Kuh at great moments in history

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (/4AZU)

321 It's spelled "emeffer," Ace. Get it the fuck right.

I'd like to nominate Brother Blutarski to start listing congresspersons who are on the shit list.

"Ellmers? Dead!"*

*In a metaphorical sense, of course.

Posted by: FDR's Television at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (ne2fm)

322 My typing sucks.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (Spluw)

323 We're talking about a GOP betrayal on a bill prohibiting late-term abortions here. Try to keep up.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (HBAcW)

_________

Doesn't matter. Every time the GOP talks about abortion, they lose, at the national level. Yes, I know, Wendy Davis lost. And in TX Republicans can talk about abortion 24/7 and it won't hurt them. In Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, Florida it's a losing issue.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (0LHZx)

324 When a late term fetus is merely labeled as a tissue mass, well evil becomes easier.

That was one of the more chilling little scenes in the first episode of Man in the High Castle from Amazon. The guy from NYC in the truck just had a blowout. A local cop helps him change the tire. As the guy is eating a sandwich these white flakes start to fall from the sky.

Guy, "What's that?"

Cop, "Oh that's the hospital. The old, the cripples."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (twMaC)

325 Moo Moo, you are hilarious. Your "skewed polls" comment cuts exactly 100% the opposite direction that you imply. All the pro-SSM polls have been contradicted, with only a few exceptions, by actual voting.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (afQnV)
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You completely ignore the dramatic change in public opinion on this issue since 2003. Moo Moo is not wrong. You are.

That does not mean that public opinion will not change back to prior views but does anyone really think a rollback is possible?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (z27Ny)

326 "66
Why are you wingnuts so obsessed with this whole "truth" thing anyway?

Posted by: The GOP at January 22, 2015 11:58 AM (CzBeD)"

The problem is that wingnuts are obsessed with bourgeois truth which is concerned with sterile facts. The enlightened vanguard of history, of course, prefer revolutionary truth which consists of those statements that will help to build a progressive revolutionary society.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (KDbAT)

327 Excellent AEI video. Takes on top 2 rape myths

1) 1 in 5 women are raped in college.

2) Women lie about rape less than 2%.

Sexual Assault Myths: Part 1: http://youtu.be/TZrzCAuiw7w?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd via @YouTube

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (ZPrif)

328 So "more abortion!" But "ban capital punishment!" And "no more war!"

Got it.

Pro-abortion/anti-capital punishment is a combination of stances that makes zero sense to me.

I can accept being against both (which is where I've found myself of late). It's a consistent value of life.

I can accept being for both. I think it's reprehensible, but it at least has the weak virtue of being consistent.

I can even accept pro-capital punishment and anti-abortion, my prior stance, because the argument can be made the innocent are protected and the guilty are dealt with.

But yay abortion, boo capital punishment? That just doesn't square to me. I suppose it does for some people, but I just don't understand how.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (DT3rQ)

329 As a sitting congressman, Todd Akin (if you're going to spew, at least spell the damn name right) was the candidate of the GOP Establishment. His opponents in the primary, a businessman and a state official, split the Tea Party vote.

It does not fit in with the Establishment's "Tea Party candidates are teh nuts" narrative, but it is the fact.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (w5S6B)

330 My typing sucks.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (Spluw)

Gee you really teed that one up, but I'll be nice today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (LJcWW)

331 It's so sanctimonious to sit there are pontificate about the evils of abortion. What about the evil shit that these unwanted kids will go through in life? Nobody from the pro-life crowd ever addresses that.

My rationalization is simple: it's a woman's choice, end of story. That's the whole pro-***CHOICE*** part of it. If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. But don't go around telling other women what they can or can't do.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

Wow, & I thought Moo Moo was simply a little bit stupid on taxation & economic issues.

Well, I'm a big enough man to admit I was wrong. Moo Moo is an actual idiot who can at best manage to occasionally parrot something someone smarter than him has said.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (MbqmP)

332 319 Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (HBAcW)

By primary if possible...by -d if need be....

It is what the batshit left did to get Pelosi power.....

Electing shithead GOPers makes no change but giving the illusion of legality to Donk excess.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (/4AZU)

333 Why are you bringing up SSM in a thread about abortion and Ellmer's lying about her views on abortion?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (DXzRD)

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Cause he's not supposed to talk about the Juice......

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (NaV4z)

334 Moo moo again demonstrating why he is a miserable unhappy unlikable shitlicking Troll in all aspects of his pathetic life.

Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (zt+N6)

335 >>Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions.

The bill was late-term abortions, not a complete ban - which you know, but it's more fun to pretend we're all cray-cray and can't see the difference.

I'd like to see the poll results on how many people are on board with what Dr. Gosnell did. I think more that 20% would be horrified and agree that *that* should not be legal. Because even though people differ on a 1-2 month old fetus, it's fairly hard to ignore that late-term abortion = infanticide.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (ABcz/)

336 After the Liar-in-Chief lied for more than 1-1/4 hours Tuesday night, where exactly is the baseline established? You know, so we can measure a line beyond which one must not cross?

Nevermind, just show me the money!

Posted by: Fritz at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (UzPAd)

337 However, I am pro-choice. It's her decision.. it is between her and her God.

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Why doesn't argument apply to spousal murders?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (XUKZU)

338 319 310 I've been making this point for some time.
The primary IS the main vote. If you lose and the GOP nominee is a squish that you can't support then plan B is to vote D in the general election. Holding your nose for the good of the party does nothing to clean out the system. In fact that's what the liars are counting on you to do. Staying home is also stupid, it does not send any message. Voting is the only message.
When you're in a war the enemy in your own camp is the one which must be dealt with first.

Posted by: exceller at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (/1owm)

^^^^^^This, a thousand times
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (HBAcW)

As an Illinoisan I've already called Kirk's office a few times to inform them of my upcoming primary opposition and, failing that, Dem vote. Eff the purple clowns.

Posted by: FDR's Television at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (ne2fm)

339 Is there *anyone* at AoSHQ who isn't?

Posted by: zerk

*cough, cough*

Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (/Ho8c)

340 "Why are you bringing up SSM in a thread about abortion and Ellmer's lying about her views on abortion?"

because he's a mendoucheous twatwaffle?

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 12:38 PM (Vha1U)

341 I didn't think one guy could get a whole blog mad at him, but damn if I wasn't dead wrong

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 12:39 PM (LJcWW)

342 Every time the GOP nominates a Milquetoast Establishment Moderate, they lose, at the national level in five of the last six elections.

FIFY

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:39 PM (w5S6B)

343 Lots and lots of mind numbing drugs. Drug abuse is
rampant among abortionists. I'd also say demonic possession, but you
know, that would make me one of those crazy crazy Christians.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (MYCIw)

Come on down crazy. Every day I am sure that view is more and more correct.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 22, 2015 12:39 PM (wyI5D)

344 My position if anyone cares: if I could wave a magic wand and make abortion illegal I would not. It is not my place to make a life changing decision for another person.

That being said "partial birth" abortion or even abortion after 3 months is an abomination. Obviously. And I believe that everyone engaged in this barbaric behaviour knows it.

Fwiw I've come to the conclusion that the republican party is worthless. Go along to get along statist big government idiots. With very few exceptions. Unfortunately the dems are 100X worse. Guh.

Posted by: fugazi at January 22, 2015 12:39 PM (qxL5y)

345 Murder is a choice too, Moo Moo. By your logic, we should bring back manus, a lovely legal theory from Roman times that said the head of household held absolute power over all in it. A Roman citizen could strangle his slave or even son for any reason and not face trial.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at January 22, 2015 12:39 PM (Gosad)

346 325 Moo Moo, you are hilarious. Your "skewed polls" comment cuts exactly 100% the opposite direction that you imply. All the pro-SSM polls have been contradicted, with only a few exceptions, by actual voting.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:31 PM (afQnV)

___________

You're living in 2004.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:40 PM (0LHZx)

347 I'm sure that when Ellmer's dog or kitty reaches a certain age and the vet says, "it's only a matter of time" that she will make the humane decision to put her precious pet into a bag and shove a powerful vacuum hose in to suck up the soft tissue and bones and gently and painlessly make her choice.

Posted by: New Phone at January 22, 2015 12:40 PM (Qk0Jg)

348 Looks like We here don't all march in lock step like the Dems. That's a good thing...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 12:40 PM (Bn6aD)

349 You know what I'd like to hear more of?

"Big Abortion"

It's a huge industry with rich people making gobs of money over it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:40 PM (L2xDv)

350 Americans strongly favor bans on late-term abortion since it's obviously killing an innocent baby and incredibly evil.

Monsters will lie about that, but they are lying monsters, so what cares what they say.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (ZPrif)

351 My daughter was conceived by a 19 year old extended family member. She made three different abortion appointments. I Prayed hard, harder than I've ever prayed, and praise God, she changed her mind. Decided to place baby with us. We were both ASTOUNDED at the 12 week u/s. My daughter was jumping, spinning - crazy! Then, the 20 week?? Holy crap. Sucking her thumb, playing with her cord.
20 weeks IS FAR too late for a merciful killing.
My daughter is now 8 and I'm not just saying this.
SHE IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD.

Posted by: anon at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (qVc/6)

352 Did Renee Ellmers underinflate her balls?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (ws1Wn)

353 >Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions.

How many think that Abortion should have *some* restrictions? Or is that stat too inconvenient to look up for you.

>but on this ONE issue, you trot out an artificial absolutism and begin accusing anyone who doenn't subscribe to your artificial absolutism of being PRO MURDER.

It's a metaphysical belief. One that has very real world consequences. When you make arbitrary lines about when a human deserves rights, you have arbitrary lines. You can't paper over that, you can't sidestep it, it centers on one undeniable fact, we the collective decide when you are human. That is not a power humans should have. Every time a pregnant woman chooses to trade the whole life to come of the child in her womb, for her choice to live her life as she wishes, she commits a most serious crime against human dignity. Human beings can be no lower than killing the children of their own flesh for their own benefit. And in so doing, if that is not criminal, then there is nothing on Earth that is. If that shouldn't be stopped by power of law, no wrong on Earth rises to the extent that it should. If at some point as a society agree on that, we don't deserve any mercy, and should be dismembered in the same way that we so many times have done to our own children.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (0q2P7)

354 My rationalization is simple: it's a woman's choice, end of story. That's the whole pro-***CHOICE*** part of it. If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. But don't go around telling other women what they can or can't do.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

I'm mr moooo.
I don't care about the rights of the other person involved with conception.
Ditto if she chooses to have the kid and goes after child support.
Mondo ditto if a woman chooses to carry a child, and it's killed as a result of an attack. No murder charge; mr mooo says that your choice is meaningless.
Cause it's a tad dificult to charge someone with pre-meditated "destruction of a clump of cells".

I don't care. I'm mr moooo.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (Spluw)

355 I see this Ellmer's scrunt is a Roman Catholic. I wonder if Pope du jour is in support of her abortion position?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (XzRw1)

356 It's my understanding that the reason for changing their position was the language on the rape/incest exception which required the person to report those actions to the authorities before the exception could be applied. This was the same language in the original vote that passed but that section got a lot of push back after the vote.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (3jmxp)

357 Help an ignoramus out. On deflategate, was there actually a rule mandating the degree to which a football must be inflated?

.....

Yes. They know that they were under inflated by 2 lbs

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (J4dwG)

358 great post. and i like knowing the root of 'decimation'.

Posted by: obamuh at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (rNS5g)

359 Why doesn't argument apply to spousal murders?

Posted by: The Great White Snark

Or any of the elements of Common Law?

"B/c I felt like it and I say it's OK" leads to chaos and tyranny.

That said, I'm not a hard-line pro-lifer. But using infanticide just as a form of birth control to allow irresponsible sexual behavior and to avoid being "punished" with a baby is revolting.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (/Ho8c)

360 Why are you bringing up SSM in a thread about abortion and Ellmer's lying about her views on abortion?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (DXzRD)

____________

I didn't bring it up. I replied to a comment that brought it up.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (0LHZx)

361 "It's a huge industry with rich people making gobs of money over it."

Ain't that the truth. There's an abortion doctor in Oklahoma who just got busted performing "abortions" on women who weren't even pregnant. "Oh, test is positive, come back tomorrow for an abortion!"

Yeah.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (MYCIw)

362 And you give a fuck?

You're going to show up to the 15 year old's home to take care of the baby while she goes to finish high school?

You're going to take care of the crack whore's baby while she's off doing her thing?

It's so sanctimonious to sit there are pontificate about the evils
of abortion. What about the evil shit that these unwanted kids will go
through in life? Nobody from the pro-life crowd ever addresses that.

My rationalization is simple: it's a woman's choice, end of story.
That's the whole pro-***CHOICE*** part of it. If you don't want to have
an abortion, don't have one. But don't go around telling other women
what they can or can't do.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

Actually, we do.

Funny thing is, Jimbo3 over at Hot Air used the exact same lines... every time this debate came up. My replies to him were always the same. The guy was a staunch advocate of abortion, to the point that he recommended it to his own daughters.

Intellectually, I know I should pray for you. Realistically, I just can't help but laugh at the apathetic little man advertising FREEDOM!!! and accusing others of being uncaring about supporting girls in tough times, knowing nothing of the world beyond his own masturbatory self-congratulations.
Freedom indeed. We are not to use our freedom as an excuse for evil... the price will be steep, and it is well deserved, and it is coming to each of us.

I'll bear the burden of the times to come with a smile on my face, knowing how lost and aimless you'll be in those times. I will bear it gladly.

TL;DR: Yes, Moo, we do give a damn. We work actively on giving a damn. Don't make the mistake of assuming that all in this land are apathetic sensualists of your like, we're not wallowing in the muck with libertine humanists going the way of the dodo.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (9LuAk)

363 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

Hey I'll admit it, I'm a selfish SOB conservative.

My interest in abortion is and, for the foreseeable future, will be about **human rights**. The larger principles involved. When human rights are degraded or eliminated out of mere convenience, then that is a danger to us all. That is the path of eugenics, frankly.

We already have actual "ethicists" who seriously contemplate infanticide - real infanticide, not abortion - as a potentially ethical option due to things like overpopulation and, like the rationalizations like you bring up, the assumption that poor unwanted kids will just grow up to be criminals. So better to off them while they're still in the crib before they become serial killers, right? So we are already heading down the slippery slope of actually justifying outright murder on the same bases as abortion is justified.

I would expect an ostensibly libertarian-minded fellow like you to understand this basic point. After all, don't libertarians hold the abstract principle of individual liberty to have a higher value over redistributionist government that nevertheless provides for everyone's wants and needs?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (uOAjL)

364 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (0LHZx)

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Isn't this about the time you start in with your blame-the-jews schtick...?

Jerk.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (eytER)

365 Yeah, killing someone isn't between you and your god. There's another person in the mix, you know, the one being dismembered while still alive.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (ZPrif)

366 The Right needs to chip away at this (and other) issues. Start by going after abortions after 8 months, then seven, then 6 and so on.

That's how the Left does it, raising the temperature on the country slowly.

Posted by: FDR's Television at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (ne2fm)

367 Murder is a choice too, Moo Moo. By your logic, we should bring back manus, a lovely legal theory from Roman times that said the head of household held absolute power over all in it. A Roman citizen could strangle his slave or even son for any reason and not face trial.

What is murder, really?

If the person has no value to society or another person, let's just call it a retroactive abortion.

In fact, if people who are dependent on another for their existence can be aborted at will by the person giving that support, then what is wrong with the killing of welfare recipients?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (L2xDv)

368 I'd also say demonic possession, but you know, that would make me one of those crazy crazy Christians.
Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (MYCIw)

Yeah, well, don't feel too primitively, crazilyChristian. I believe abortion is a modernized form of ancient pagan child sacrifice and further believe that the purpose remains the same: to appease, feed, and seek the favor of that old, hungry, malevolent thing that truly runs this world.

Yeah, I know, but that's what I believe.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (CAJL/)

369 That's right rethugiKKKants
Come to the dark side!!!

We have guns and cupcakes....with sprinkles

Posted by: Democrat with a gun at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (s0ICk)

370 Decimation has been misused in conversation along with a newly abused word - assassinate.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (twMaC)

371 One thing I have tried to do is to make an effort to edcucate other people on these issues. Especially the let it burn part and why this is the conclusion I have come to.

This is exceedingly difficult.

First of all most people either a) don't give a shit about politics, and therefore, don't know shit about politics or b) and convinced they are socialists (even though they will almost certainly tell you they are not), because this is what the media, the schools, the politicians etc. etc. tell them to believe.

Both of those classes of people are almost completely impossible to have any sort of meaningful political conversation with.

And by most people, I mean this very fucking much. There is a good 20% (round number) of people who are 'Republicans' out there. A smaller number of them are actually conservatives. There are also about 20% of people who are Democrats, and again, a smaller number of them are clued in socialists to full on commie scumbags. There are maybe 10 to 20% of people who actively say they don't care at all and don't think about politics. Then there are like 20% that are "independents".

You can't really talk politics with anyone, and if you do they will either ignore you completely, or be so misinformed and ignorant, that there is no way to get through to them whatsoever.

It makes educating these people very difficult.

--Yes, I pulled these numbers from my ass. They are wrong. But they are also correct enough to be instructive. The actual numbers are different but the problem faced by this set of populations is very accurate.

Almost no one will listen to you when you bring up let it burn.

Then there is the problem of appropriateness. I spend most of my time at work, interacting with my workmates. You cannot, for the most part, talk to them about politics, because it's bad form. That's most of my day crossed off the list right there.

How the fuck are we going to get through to our fellow citizens who are all getting robbed blind, just like us?

I don't fucking know the answer to this.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (6G698)

372 I have three adopted sons.

1. His parents were drug users, he was put into foster care when they were sent to prison for beating and robbing an old lady... his grandmother.

2. Was born to a homeless, unemployed drug-addicted, unmarried woman with mental health issues.

3. Was born to alcoholic parents who abused him sexually, hence he was put into foster care.

Will all pro-choicers please explain which of my sons they would have had killed in the womb and why.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (w5S6B)

373 My rationalization is simple: it's a woman's choice, end of story.
That's the whole pro-***CHOICE*** part of it. If you don't want to have
an abortion, don't have one. But don't go around telling other women
what they can or can't do.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

I agree that there's a choice. Legs closed.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (/Ho8c)

374
Doesn't matter. Every time the GOP talks about abortion, they lose, at the national level. Yes, I know, Wendy Davis lost. And in TX Republicans can talk about abortion 24/7 and it won't hurt them. In Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, Florida it's a losing issue.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (0LHZx)
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You don't get it. 71% of women nationwide support restrictions on later-term abortions.

http://tinyurl.com/nwx3gyr

This would have been an issue we would win at least from a PR sense, especially after Obama would vetoed it.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (HBAcW)

375 This is why I refuse to vote. The GOP is not getting my blessing; they're not using my "definitely not for the Democrat" vote as a mandate. The "let it burn" movement was right. And they're STILL right. Incrementalism is the enemy. Allowing the left to slowly inch its agenda forward regardless of who is actually in office while they maintain their stranglehold on Hollywood, academia, and the media is what allows the default political setting of this country to keep creeping leftward unremarked. It's when they have the power to make real, radical, sudden leftward lurches that the media, academia, and Hollywood can't keep up, can't placate, can't indoctrinate, can't legitimize. So let them have that power until we have a true opposition party.

Republicans don't stop it. They don't even intentionally slow it down. They LEGITIMIZE it. Our votes for Republicans give Democrats the breathing room they need to rationalize and institutionalize the changes they've made. Obama has done more damage to the cause of leftism than any Republican or group of Republicans since Reagan. Give us more Obamas, and make it fast, so we still have voters who remember what it was like to NOT have to include their medical insurance information on their tax returns. Let the hard left wake Americans up to what Democrats are really about because the right surely isn't doing the job.

Posted by: Zoomie at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (LzJsJ)

376 Reading comments like this make me very depressed because it tells me Hillary will win in a landslide. The GOP is addicted to talking about gays and abortions. They just can't stop. And they will lose presidential election after election because of it.

But hey, you have your morality and principles. Good luck with that when tax rates are 60%, health care is 100% nationalized and gas is $10 a gallon.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (0LHZx)

377 Netanyahu, Obama not set to meet during US visit
Citing proximity to elections, PM and US president will not meet; Speaker Boehner says Netanyahu requested to postpone visit in order to coincide with AIPAC.

Netanyahu will be in Washington in part for a March 3 address to a joint session of Congress. House Speaker John Boehner invited Netanyahu to speak to Congress on February 11, but the prime minister has requested to address Congress on March 3 to coincide with Netanyahu's trip to Washington for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

The revised date is only two weeks before elections in Israel decide whether Netanyahu will continue to lead Israel.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (LJcWW)

378 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

And I find your protestations about the hypothetical 15-year-old mom to be disingenuous. So what if the 15-year-old CHOOSES not to have an abortion? Are you now suddenly going to support a redistributive welfare state to support the kid? And if not, doesn't that make you JUST AS BAD as the pro-lifers whom you assume don't care about the kid at all and won't lift a finger to take care of it either?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (uOAjL)

379 Two thirds of the way into January 2015 and we already have a Shit List nominee. By November next year the list might have 30 or 40 members, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (zauWW)

380 My typing sucks. Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:36 PM (Spluw) Gee you really teed that one up, but I'll be nice today
Posted by: Nevergiveup

*shoves a Pilsener Urquel through USB port*.

(And then runs from the ensuing electrical fire.)

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (Spluw)

381 "To many of us winning is not the most important thing."

Bull excrement! To the anti-Establishments, it's always about winning. But when it's clear you're going to get trounced, well suddenly you flip the checkers board over and announce how homosexual the game was anyway.

This new third party has got to drop the stubborn "we're never wrong" attitude that the Tea Party supporters picked up. "We made a mistake, and here's how we'll avoid it next time" is something that needs to be learned or it'll be no different than what we had before, and believe me, the moderates will roll their eyes and support the Establishment if it's given two terrible, horrible, no good choices.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (EQcfE)

382 Jews?

per the Jewish Journal:

"That is, fully 93% of all American Jews support legalized abortion in some fashion. Even political leanings, while influential, are not determinative. Among Jewish Democrats support is 95%, but 77% of Jewish Republicans also favor legalized abortion in all or most cases, far exceeding the rate of other groups studied."

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (z27Ny)

383 As I stated above, I'd hand out morning after pills like candy in exchange for banning late-term abortion.

Late-term abortions are sadistically, horrifically cruel. Dismembering a preemie while she's alive and practicing her kicks and falling in love with her mother's voice is insanely evil.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

384 367 Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (L2xDv)

It's even sexier in the original german....

http://youtu.be/2PZH52iS5cE

Of course....the evil part of me says "GREAT just let ME pick who the "worthless" are comrade"

I am pro-life b/c I know I am an unjust "god"...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (/4AZU)

385 so i guess at least one commenters stance is that a baby CAN be a real pain in Lifes ass so killing it before it can do its evelness is an appropriate response.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (nqBYe)

386 "
Yeah, I know, but that's what I believe."

Of course, these idiots don't even realize they're sacrificing to Moloch.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (MYCIw)

387 As I stated above, I'd hand out morning after pills like candy in exchange for banning late-term abortion.

Posted by: Costanza Defense

Roger that.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at January 22, 2015 12:46 PM (/Ho8c)

388 G-D the same song over and over again. Give it a break

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 12:46 PM (LJcWW)

389 372.
Yes, she was my daughter on those ultrasounds as much as she is today. (I mean "was the same girl". Same dna, same blue eyes, same artistic ability, same predisposition to honesty, rebellion, compassion, etc.)
To hell with people who think it was OK to kill her then, or now.

Posted by: anon at January 22, 2015 12:46 PM (qVc/6)

390 I heard somewhere that Netanyahu was a chickenshit.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (ws1Wn)

391 Sven or this video - http://youtu.be/1HOcbkSiKUc

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (twMaC)

392 some just don't deserve a chance.

because some guilt thing sins of the parent or something.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (nqBYe)

393 Isn't this about the time you start in with your blame-the-jews schtick...?

Jerk.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (eytER)

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Wanna change Moo Moos mind???? Tell him *all* the secret ingredients in matzah.......

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (NaV4z)

394 The GOP is addicted to talking about gays and abortions. They just can't stop. And they will lose presidential election after election because of it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

I'm mr mooo.
I have no proof that the rethugs started any of the shit on gays and gay marriage, but I'll continue to pretend that this was hatched by them.
In other news, I'm pressed by abortion barbie's principled stand on being "pro-choice". She was so principled that she put her running shoes on and ran away from it, even calling herself "pro-life".
Cause I'm mr mooooo.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (Spluw)

395
Wow, I thought Moo Moo was simply a little bit stupid on taxation economic issues.

Well, I'm a big enough man to admit I was wrong. Moo Moo is an
actual idiot who can at best manage to occasionally parrot something
someone smarter than him has said.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 12:37 PM (MbqmP)

No, he is a quality-of-life death cultist like the Left, only he wants his money to stay in his own pocket.

He's actually worse than a Leftist, who maintains that the redistributive deeds the do are acts of mercy and kindness, while also professing their love for abortion. Moo adheres to child murder and is all about keeping his money in his own wallet, HIS, not theirs.

Think about it. Moo Moo actually has less compassion in his heart than your average Leftist.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (9LuAk)

396 Posted by: anon at January 22, 2015 12:41 PM (qVc/6)

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Thanks, that post made me feel better.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (jjaLl)

397 "As I stated above, I'd hand out morning after pills like candy in exchange for banning late-term abortion. "

The morning after pill is useless at the population level. It doesn't work well in women who weight more than about 150lbs.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (MYCIw)

398 I would expect an ostensibly libertarian-minded fellow like you to understand this basic point. After all, don't libertarians hold the abstract principle of individual liberty to have a higher value over redistributionist government that nevertheless provides for everyone's wants and needs?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (uOAjL)

_________

Indeed. And that's why I want a woman to have the liberty to choose what she does with her body. And I don't want the govt telling her she can't make that choice.

And yet so-called "conservatives" here who bitch and moan about a slat ban in NYC, think it's totally awesome for the govt to force a woman to have a child she doesn't want.

You guys are the mirror image of progressives. Ban what you don't like, force everyone to do what you like. Only difference is the thinks you like/dislike.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (0LHZx)

399 The best theoretical argument you can make to the pro choice people is whether if their were technological advances that would allow the immediate transfer of a zygote/fetus to an incubator that would take the place of a womb for adoption later, would they be agreeable to that instead of killing the baby?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (3jmxp)

400 Reading comments like this make me very depressed because it tells me Hillary will win in a landslide. The GOP is addicted to talking about gays and abortions. They just can't stop. And they will lose presidential election after election because of it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (0LHZx)

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Uh oh.... somebody tell a coblogger that Hector is socking Moo Moo......

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (NaV4z)

401 "310
I've been making this point for some time.

The primary IS the main vote. If you lose and the GOP nominee is a
squish that you can't support then plan B is to vote D in the general
election. Holding your nose for the good of the party does nothing to
clean out the system. In fact that's what the liars are counting on you
to do. Staying home is also stupid, it does not send any message. Voting
is the only message.

When you're in a war the enemy in your own camp is the one which must be dealt with first.

Posted by: exceller at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (/1owm)"

I am with you up to the point of voting Democrat. The message that sends is that you like the shit they stand for.

Vote for one of the third party candidates. The message that sends is that you are willing to get off your ass and get down to the polling place but that neither major party can attract your vote. When Republicans lose enough elections by 2% while the Libertarians get 5% of the vote and other third parties pick up another 5%, they might start to take notice.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (KDbAT)

402 When I read the name "Mr Moo Moo" I picture morbidly obese Homer Simpson working from home.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (w5S6B)

403 386 Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:45 PM (MYCIw)

They know...they bathe in the blood they offer.

We are importing "newer better Americans" b/c too many of the old type bathe in baby blood.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (/4AZU)

404 "No, he is a quality-of-life death cultist like the Left, only he wants his money to stay in his own pocket. "

Or the money he cheated someone else out of...

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (MYCIw)

405 The whole "pro-choice means CHOICE" argument makes me want to bash the individuals making it with a red-hot poker.

Anyone who can be fine with someone making a CHOICE re late-term abortion, without any restrictions whatsoever, has more than a few screws loose.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (J4dwG)

406 Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (uOAjL

Good point.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (DXzRD)

407 The most extreme pro abortion politicians are the Aiken types who scare away the mushy middle into voting for scumbags like Hillary and mccaskill

Posted by: Avi at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (4CQud)

408 RioBravo, this is all a silly tangent we're in, but wake up. I said that Moo Moo was precisely inverting the significance of his "skewed polls" reference. He was.

"Skewed polls" is a thing because the actual election went the way they said they would. In the case of SSM, all the polls he and others cite have turned out to be meaningless WHEN THE ELECTIONS ARE HELD.

A small number of states, either through referendum or legislative action, have approved SSM. Compare the number who have opposed it, some repeatedly, some repeatedly in the face of legislative/elite and judicial shenanigans (CA, where the state constitution was effectively shredded/dismissed by the SCOTUS - "no standing" for the citizens of a state when acting within their state constitution but opposed by lawless judges and faithless elected officials).

So, yes, he precisely inverted the import of "skewed polls". And no, the electorate or populace has not - not even close - signalled it's approval of marriage redefinition.

Academic? Perhaps, but that in a way is the point - the system is fundamentally broken, social engineering is now directly imposed by a smaller and smaller part of society, with a dismantled constitutional system in pieces in the corner of the room. It's not about the underlying issue of marriage redefinition, it's about the collapse of the process.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (afQnV)

409 offgs!

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (nqBYe)

410 Ace nailed it.

Ellmers is a lying liar that lies

Posted by: @votermom at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (Tvb2F)

411
376
Reading comments like this make me very depressed because it tells me
Hillary will win in a landslide. The GOP is addicted to talking about
gays and abortions. They just can't stop. And they will lose
presidential election after election because of it.

But hey, you have your morality and principles. Good luck with that
when tax rates are 60%, health care is 100% nationalized and gas is $10 a
gallon.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:44 PM (0LHZx)

Pure... unadulterated.... glee.

Already my heart is full to the brim with laughter.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:50 PM (9LuAk)

412 I don't fucking know the answer to this.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry

Values are the wellspring. We fight there or we lose it all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:50 PM (DT3rQ)

413 To each and every single GOP activist and apologist, I say this.

I shall treat you and your views and your positions with precisely, tuned the very finest degree, of respect which you extend to me and my views and my positions.

Oh? What's that? You have picked up on the ever so subtle indication that this is not a compliment nor is it a positive development?

THEN STOP FUCKING JACKING OFF ON MY FACE AND THEN DEMANDING I GIVE YOU MONEY FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF YOU DOING SO YOU PATHETIC TWO PUMP CHUMP JACKHOLES.

I say this with all due respect and admiration.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 22, 2015 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

414 391 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (twMaC)

That one hits close...

mom would have been sterlilized in OHIO had she been born 7 years earlier.

Fuck Eugenicists.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:50 PM (/4AZU)

415 Why should one's right to murder be limited to one's unborn progeny?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (ws1Wn)

416 The Right needs to chip away at this (and other) issues. Start by going after abortions after 8 months, then seven, then 6 and so on. That's how the Left does it, raising the temperature on the country slowly.
Posted by: FDR's Television

This!!!!!! Start with St. kermit. Continue with the Planned Parenthood office in Delaware that keeps shipping botched csaes to the ER.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (Spluw)

417 Will all pro-choicers please explain which of my sons they would have had killed in the womb and why.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (w5S6B)

Why should them being born stop future action against them?

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (FA3Z7)

418 Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (6G69

As distasteful as it sounds, you have to become a part-time community organizer. It helps immensely if you can organize enough true believers to help you.

You become a precinct organizer for whatever party--hell, make it the Let It Burn Party. Walk your precinct. Listen (not talk) to people. Find out what their issues are (voters vote issues, not candidates, unless the candidate is George Clooney). This is a perfect time, when no one is running. Educate them on how a conservative solution would be better. Get their contact info and hot button issues for later contact.

At election time, find your candidate and bring your volunteers with you. Wash rinse repeat precinct ops.

It's simple, but it's not easy. But it's representative democracy, and it's the only way to bring us back from the brink.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (HBAcW)

419 Indeed. And that's why I want a woman to have the liberty to choose what she does with her body.

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Logic fail...it isn't just her body she's doing things with.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (eytER)

420 "As I stated above, I'd hand out morning after pills like candy in exchange for banning late-term abortion. "

The morning after pill is useless at the population level. It doesn't work well in women who weight more than about 150lbs.

"Let's replace these morning after pills with Cyanide Crystals and see if anyone notices".

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (aMV0K)

421 No, he is a quality-of-life death cultist like the Left, only he wants his money to stay in his own pocket.

He's actually worse than a Leftist, who maintains that the redistributive deeds the do are acts of mercy and kindness, while also professing their love for abortion. Moo adheres to child murder and is all about keeping his money in his own wallet, HIS, not theirs.

Think about it. Moo Moo actually has less compassion in his heart than your average Leftist.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:47 PM (9LuAk)

__________

That's part of it, yes. Millions of unwanted kids will cost me money via welfare, incarceration in prisons, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

422 The mushy middle is against late term abortion, would be unopposed to the 20 week limit but will not vote for pols who prohibit it for rape and incest.

Posted by: Avi at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (4CQud)

423 I say this with all due respect and admiration.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting.

Uh, what she said.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (DT3rQ)

424 If we ban abortion after 20 weeks it won't lower the # of abortions, it will just make them less cruel. Which is what I mostly care about right now.

Women who want abortions will just get them earlier. They wait to the less minute for the same reason they wait to the less minute to write a term paper. If you move the deadline up, they'll figure out how to get it done under the new deadline.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (ZPrif)

425 Glad to see she's at the top of the list, she was at the top of mine last cycle as well, I almost cut a check for Clay Aiken.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (n/ogz)

426 And that's why I want a woman to have the liberty to choose what she does with her body. And I don't want the govt telling her she can't make that choice.

Man, I'm going to hire a woman to hunt you down & strangle you in your sleep. Her body, her choice.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (MbqmP)

427 it's funny how some comments harden my stance. I think that clarity is a good thing. It is a matter of life and death.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (nqBYe)

428 *couriers to AlextheChick a plate of brownies and a super grande mocha*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (twMaC)

429 THEN STOP FUCKING JACKING OFF ON MY FACE AND THEN DEMANDING I GIVE YOU MONEY FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF YOU DOING SO YOU PATHETIC TWO PUMP CHUMP JACKHOLES. I say this with all due respect and admiration.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD

And this is what won the AosHQ Miss Congeniality competition.
We stand in awe.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (Spluw)

430 The GOP is addicted to talking about gays and abortions. They just can't stop. And they will lose presidential election after election because of it.

....

I'd love to stop talking about gays, if only they'd fucking let me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 22, 2015 12:52 PM (J4dwG)

431 Meanwhile the president of Yemen resigns.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (W5DcG)

432 Maybe this is why Ellmers is so gung-ho for replacing American workers with cheap imported foreign labor; someone has to replace all the aborted babies.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (w5S6B)

433 "397
"As I stated above, I'd hand out morning after pills like candy in exchange for banning late-term abortion. "

The morning after pill is useless at the population level. It doesn't work well in women who weight more than about 150lbs.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (MYCIw)"

That sounds like a technical issue that could probably be resolved with either a size XXL pill or a stand on the scale dispenser that uses weight to calculate the dosage of a liquid dispensed into a disposable cup.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (KDbAT)

434 Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:49 PM (afQnV)
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Moo Moo was talking about opposing SSM not being a winning GOP issue since a majority now support it. What does that have to do with how existing legalized SSM came to be (primarily by judicial fiat)? Nothing.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (z27Ny)

435 >>> very depressed because it tells me Hillary will win in a landslide. The GOP is addicted to talking about gays and abortions

I really don't care. Western Civilization deserves to be swept into the dust bin if this is the "Freedom" she espouses.

Nonetheless, your strawman is duly noted. This isn't all Abortion all the time. This is, one the NATIONAL WALK FOR LIFE, doing one small thing, which would end at least the most barbarous practices. Even I realize we can't have everything all at once. That's NOT AN EXCUSE FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And again, if we can't agree that we shouldn't be killing a baby now 6 inches long that can move on its own, we fall well short of any defensible ideal that would proclaim any value to our civilization.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (0q2P7)

436
I don't understand the GOP. Democrats don't lie to their base. They cater to their base and lie to the moderates and Independents.

The GOP just flat-out lies to everyone.

At some point, you have to take a public stand and stick the fuck to it.

Posted by: MacGruber at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (S+el1)

437 ty, Gregory for doing a huge good .

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

438
Yeah, well, don't feel too primitively,
crazilyChristian. I believe abortion is a modernized form of ancient
pagan child sacrifice and further believe that the purpose remains the
same: to appease, feed, and seek the favor of that old, hungry,
malevolent thing that truly runs this world.

Yeah, I know, but that's what I believe.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (CAJL/)

Would that more people perceived this truth.

Since that won't happen, I'll settle for laughing myself silly as the apathetic libertines wail as the country runs itself facefirst into the ground.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (9LuAk)

439 Never tell a woman what to do with her body! But if you really want to, you can chop her up before she gets old enough to breathe on her own so she can't complain. Freedom!

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (2cS/G)

440 >>It's my understanding that the reason for changing their position was
the language on the rape/incest exception which required the person to
report those actions to the authorities before the exception could be
applied.

OK, that actually makes it worse.

Because the progressives always use rape as a way to paint pro-lifers as super-meanies who would force a child on a rape victim. Except....if it was really rape/incest (which implies forced sex), then reporting it to the police should be no big deal. You should *want* to have the perpetrator of either crime to be stopped and brought to justice. In fact, it would be especially important to do so since the fetus is **evidence** in the crime.

Yeah, so "rape" exception actually = get out of pregnancy free card.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (ABcz/)

441 Amen brother.

Posted by: scottst at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (PliOx)

442 Oh yeah Sven, all the 'weeds' that have been eliminated in the name of compassion is sickening....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (twMaC)

443 When Republicans lose enough elections by 2% while the Libertarians get 5% of the vote and other third parties pick up another 5%, they might start to take notice.

Not really. The message they get are that the libertarians are unappeaseable and so they try to get some bloc from the Democrats. If they get one of those blocs, they have voters for life.

Unless you have a primary candidate articulating the reasons that the incumbent sucks, rather than some goofball who runs every two years, doesn't do any retail campaigning and just bitches that he doesn't get invited to the debates, Western Union doesn't arrive.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (L2xDv)

444 You guys are the mirror image of progressives. Ban what you don't like, force everyone to do what you like. Only difference is the thinks you like/dislike.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (0LHZx)

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I call Bullshit. The first principle of Libertarianism is non-aggression. "What a woman does with here own body" is clever dissembling. There is another body involved.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (HBAcW)

445 We already have actual "ethicists" who seriously contemplate infanticide
- real infanticide, not abortion - as a potentially ethical option...

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 12:42 PM (uOAjL)

Little bit late there.
We already have doctors who are letting babies with severe defects die right here in the U.S.
Without parental consent.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 22, 2015 12:55 PM (wyI5D)

446 Steven Crowder @scrowder 4m
Surpriiiiise! RT @trscoop: BREAKING: OBAMA WON'T MEET NETANYAHU http://wp.me/pqwpd-tv7

Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 22, 2015 12:55 PM (ZPrif)

447 The preborn in a woman's womb are human beings.

Abortion is the barbaric practice of killing unborn human beings.

Our pop culture no longer believes in hell, evil, sin, or other such things (unless needed in a movie prop), but the rule "thou shalt no kill' is there, so the desire to kill an inconvenient human being has to be rationalized.
Hence "pro-choice", a euphemism to deny the humanity of the unborn.

The very word is a lie. Ask a prochoicer if they favor gun choice, school choice, retirement choice (aka making Soc Sec voluntary), states choice in defining marriage and a minimum wage, healthcare choice (aka repeal obamacare), drug choice including Big Gulps, the choice to wear seatbelts, have coal power plants, drive biga** SUVs, emit carbon galore, etc.

Unless its some fullbore libertarian(*), you'll find the 'pro-choicer' is outright hypocritical on "choice". They simply favor killing preborn human beings as a legal practice, all the while favoring limits on our choice.

Because support of abortion involves lying and rationalization as a psychological crutch to avoid the hard rule that we humans sometimes find ourselves in circumstances where the right choice is not the easy choice, its far easier for those on the left to be in the 'pro-easy-choice-that-throws-humans-into-dumpsters' camp. Those mis-educated by our popular culture in believes easy choices are good choices ("live for today"), go along with the lie.

But it remains a lie. Its not that strict of a morality rule to simple say "Thou shalt not kill", its not like we are making everyone eat kosher or avoid boinking outside of marriage ('use a condom, dummy'), just DONT KILL.

Those who cannot grasp that concept are in no position to make any OTHER choices for themselves or others, and thus are in my mind unfit for public office ... or family counselor roles.

(*) and the best libertarians recognize 'the right to life' as important and thus tend to be prolife and not pro-kill-the-baby.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 12:55 PM (wT9UL)

448 I'd love to stop talking about gays, if only they'd fucking let me.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Second this.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (Spluw)

449 442 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (twMaC)

The state is many things....a just "god" is not one of them....

I can't trust the state not to screw up giving out free handjobs let alone playing Solomon with life and death.

The "GOP uber alles" types keep invoking Team Donkey running taxes up and bankrupting the nation...if the best answer Western Civ can come up with is infanticide and the liverpool pathway it ain't worth saving anyway.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (/4AZU)

450 I'd love to stop talking about gays, if only they'd fucking let me.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Second this.

Thirded

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (w5S6B)

451 Ace, Jeff Goldstein wants his shtick back.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (XO6WW)

452 Millions of unwanted kids will cost me money via welfare, incarceration in prisons, etc.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

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Interesting you choose "birthday" as the "snuff" line not to cross.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (NaV4z)

453 439 Never tell a woman what to do with her body! But if you really want to, you can chop her up before she gets old enough to breathe on her own so she can't complain. Freedom!

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (2cS/G)

Well said. This is why we are winning the argument, especially with young people. The see the hypocrisy of the "pro-choice" movement.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (HBAcW)

454 Why would he meet with a craven chickenshit?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (ws1Wn)

455 That's part of it, yes. Millions of unwanted kids will cost me money via welfare, incarceration in prisons, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

*arms spread wide, chuckling*

The man condemns himself. I've nothing further to say.

Let it burn is in full tilt, friends, do what you can to shield yourselves and those around you. Let these... fend for themselves.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (9LuAk)

456
Regarding abortion, I remain inthe "I don't fucking care anymore" contingent.

Seriously. Realistically. The first trimester anything goes. The last trimester no way Jose, the middle trimester, only under specialcircumstances. Problem. Solved. Oh and no one is forced to get an abortion, and no one is forced not to get an abortion. Also, the government doesn't fucking pay for it.
Problem. Solved.
Now, can we finally, fucking, FOCUS on something important? Like, I dunno, the pension crises, the deficit, Islamic terror, energy costs, tax simplification, out of control immigration, cyberwar threats, hardening our infrastructure against a Carrington event/EMP, crumbling infrastructure, privacy in the new technological age, the emergence of super intelligence, war with Russia, China expansionism...?
I mean, something else? Anything else?

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at January 22, 2015 12:56 PM (F192H)

457 Head over to NR's Corner--a lot of interesting posts re: abortion relevant to many of the comments here.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (VAsIq)

458 DERP

Posted by: Republican voter at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (0Ew3K)

459 @94 "Silly absolutism"

"If you're pro-choice, as I am, then fucking say so, and lobby for your position honestly."

Is THAT an absolute? Sure sounds like it. What's the argument, that it's not silly? Because absolutism about killing IS silly, but absolutism about misrepresenting your political position isn't?

Posted by: Average Joe at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (S7y6x)

460 I know I quoted this earlier, but

Ellmers, a Republican from Dunn, pulled her name as a co-sponsor of the bill on Tuesday, records show, along with U.S. Rep. Jackie Walorski, an Indiana Republican.

She co-sponsored the bill, then pulled out - prematurely.

Great post, Ace.

Whole-heartily agree.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (IXrOn)

461 The fact that murder is illegal is a sad testament to the statists who want to control people who really like murderin' people. You anti-murder people are worse than Hitler!

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (MbqmP)

462
for god sakes at some point the GOP is going to have to plant its flag somewhere and see who salutes it

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (lKyWE)

463 I am not for abortion in any circumstance except life of the mother but I can understand the exception for rape/incest. That said do you think its fair that the rape/incest exception would not be available to a young girl who did not report she was raped until after the 20 weeks for any number of common reasons?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (3jmxp)

464 Nonetheless, your strawman is duly noted. This isn't all Abortion all the time. This is, one the NATIONAL WALK FOR LIFE, doing one small thing, which would end at least the most barbarous practices. Even I realize we can't have everything all at once. That's NOT AN EXCUSE FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And again, if we can't agree that we shouldn't be killing a baby now 6 inches long that can move on its own, we fall well short of any defensible ideal that would proclaim any value to our civilization.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (0q2P7)

________

Rationalize all your want. But in 2012, 2 very easy GOP senate seats were lost because of Akin and Murdock talking about abortion. And in 2013, VA was lost because of the insanity of Cooch and his abortion hard on.

I am in total disbelief that after that debacle you guys still think abortion is a winning issue. If 2012 and 2013 didn't convince you, I don't know what will. I suppose nothing. And we'll keep losing elections for the next 10 presidential elections. YEAY!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (0LHZx)

465
*wanders into the thread late*

Hmmm...it's stayed on topic.

Nearsider, your personal story is compelling. I have one that's more ambiguous.

I was anti-abortion at a gut level, but I didn't feel strongly about it. I fell in love with a girl who had had an abortion. That did bother me, but having gone through with the pregnancy would have been a personal disaster for her.

And I married her. We had two kids. Those kids are my favorite people in the world. They wouldn't have existed if she hadn't had the abortion.

I know that absolutists will say I am (metaphorically) trading an innocent life for my boys, but this experience softened my views on abortion.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (JtwS4)

466 THEN WHO WAS JACKOFF?

Posted by: Garrett at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (HFF96)

467 I 'm pro-decimation.
I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: New Phone at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (XnCPv)

468 Dang, I'm a typo generator today.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (HBAcW)

469 Unless you have a primary candidate articulating the reasons that the incumbent sucks, rather than some goofball who runs every two years, doesn't do any retail campaigning and just bitches that he doesn't get invited to the debates, Western Union doesn't arrive.
Posted by: AmishDude

*cough* I was supposed to be where, wearing pants, when? *cough*

Posted by: I.M. Baked at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (Spluw)

470 You guys are just like Progressives cause you want to ban killing off the elderly to save Medicare and Social Security money spent on their useless mouths.

Posted by: Ron Paul!!! at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (ZPrif)

471 And in 2013, VA was lost because of the insanity of Cooch and his abortion hard on.

---

Quite frankly, you don't know what the everloving FUCK you're talking about.

But then, what else is new?

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (eytER)

472 It's far too late to fix this problem.

And wasn't it pretty clear Ellmers was a piece of chit before the last election?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (oFCZn)

473 in the meantime

BREAKING: OBAMA WON'T MEET NETANYAHU

and

NOT KIDDING: IRS hires company behind Obamacare website DISASTER to build new Obamacare tax system

The hits just keep rollin' in.

therightscoop

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (IXrOn)

474 "Yeah, so "rape" exception actually = get out of pregnancy free card"

Jane Roe lied about being raped as the basis for Roe v Wade.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (MYCIw)

475 Being angry at those who call you on it, and raging against a nonexistent double standard won't change that moment every day, when you look yourself in the mirror and decide to ignore the obvious lie you wake up and go to sleep with day in and day out.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 12:35 PM (9LuAk)

How many people do you know who spend their every waking moment thinking about their stance on abortion?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (fwARV)

476 She co-sponsored the bill, then pulled out -

-----

Not an effective form of birth control.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (VAsIq)

477 I don't understand the GOP. Democrats don't lie to their base. They cater to their base and lie to the moderates and Independents.

That is the ONE and only thing I give Democrats credit for; when they get elected, they make damn sure the base gets everything they want.

Republicans also make sure the Democrat base gets everything they want; which is precisely the opposite of what they were elected to do.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (w5S6B)

478 Actually, Moo Moo pretty much exemplifies a major problem. Lack of reasoning ability and sloppy grasp of facts. Perfect embodiment of, unfortunately, the MORE attentive part of the electorate.

And I have join Moo Moo in my shock that, of all things, one of the first actions I read about with the new Congress is something about ..... abortion??? WTF? THAT was the urgent issue driving the historic mid-term results?

But one social style/etiquette question maybe even Moo Moo can help me with (being serious here): does one properly inquire about a woman's abortion views before consoling her on a miscarriage? I mean, a clump of cells being lost is no big deal to someone operating within thelogical framework of the pro-abortion types, so I would guess a pro-abortion person wouldn't care much about such an event, and offering condolences could seem awkward or insulting. Just curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (afQnV)

479 I've decided to only talk about public women (pundits and elected officials) of whom I applaud, like Katherine Timpf. She's one. Right now, she's the only one but that's because I just started and because she's pretty hawt.

Posted by: MTF at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (LISuA)

480 "THEN STOP FUCKING JACKING OFF ON MY FACE AND THEN
DEMANDING I GIVE YOU MONEY FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF YOU DOING SO YOU
PATHETIC TWO PUMP CHUMP JACKHOLES.

I say this with all due respect and admiration.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 22, 2015 12:50 PM (mf5HN)"

You have got to be a barrel of laughs during discovery. Do you sell tickets?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (KDbAT)

481 That's part of it, yes. Millions of unwanted kids will cost me money via welfare, incarceration in prisons, etc.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

That's risky. They might be productive.

Better to kill them when they go on welfare.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (L2xDv)

482 why is it abortion advocates always forget that an infant is a living human prepared for by families everywhere UNLESS the woman doesn't want the parasite?

how can in one moment the baby be called Human and in the next moment depending on desire to be a parent be inferred as a pack o cells?

why isn't a viable child considered human or not just by personal life conditions?

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)

483 How many people do you know who spend their every waking moment thinking about their stance on abortion?

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I know a few. They're women who aborted their children.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 22, 2015 01:00 PM (VAsIq)

484 >>>Millions of unwanted kids will cost me money via welfare, incarceration in prisons, etc.

And finally the ugly of the ugly appears. Those lives aren't worth it, and we can decide ahead of any problems to make them just...go away. Because they burden us so. A real final solution to society's ills.

Whose up for Carousel?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:00 PM (0q2P7)

485 Earlier it was the rest of the govt. Now it's the President, too. Appears he came to an agreement after the rebels installed themselves as his "guards".

Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 3m3 minutes ago
RT @AP: BREAKING: Officials: Yemen president submits resignation over rebel standoff.

Posted by: Ron Paul!!! at January 22, 2015 01:00 PM (ZPrif)

486 471 And in 2013, VA was lost because of the insanity of Cooch and his abortion hard on.

---

Quite frankly, you don't know what the everloving FUCK you're talking about.

But then, what else is new?
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (eytER

______

Oh right I forgot. Cooch lost because he wasn't conservative enough and didn't talk about gays and abortion enough. My bad.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:00 PM (0LHZx)

487 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

I see. So your conception of libertarianism is juvenile and unstructured.

"nuh-uh nobody's gonna tell me what to do!!!!!"

Have you ever given any sort of deep thought to the rationalizations and ramifications that go into the libertarian argument for abortion?

If you really want to claim that the woman should have the right to decide what to do with her body, regardless, then what you are really saying is that whether an individual has **human rights** or not is entirely dependent on the woman's subjective opinion. That human rights flow from the capricious judgments of individuals.

So from this point of view, what justification do I have to claim that I have the right to do *anything*? My liberties don't flow from my innate existence as a human being, they are merely permissions granted to me by someone else. Which is completely contrary to the entire Western view of rights and liberties, and contrary to what every libertarian will tell you about all OTHER rights. Except abortion that is.

The libertarian argument for abortion actually turns the rest of libertarian thought completely on its head, if you think about it.

But I doubt you have given it more than just a superficial thought.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:00 PM (uOAjL)

488 The reason the GOP establishment does not come out with its true positions is due to their fear of the Reactionaries.
For about 2 decades now, the reactionary faction has had a stranglehold on the party.
With the help of talk radio, Fox News, the blogs and even the Left, the reactionaries have an outsized voice.
The GOP establishment only hears the reactionary views and pretend to cater to them.
When given the chance, they don't carry out with their promises because they know these positions are crazy.
I wish the establishment had balls and destroyed the reactionaries.
But the reactionaries are better organized and use threats and intimidation against the establishment.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (5Yg+I)

489 She co-sponsored the bill, then pulled out - prematurely.

That's one way to avoid abortion. Not foolproof, but it's a start.

Posted by: Garrett at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (HFF96)

490 Whose up for Carousel?

Me, but I would have been jettisoned many years ago...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (Bn6aD)

491 "269

I'm tired of the republicans ending up being democrats-in-all-but-label."

Hold your horses. This is one or two RINOs peeing in the punch bowl.
A RINO who was and is wrong on immigration, and is in fact not a conservative but and accidental congress-woman who should be primaried.

But we dont primary Republicans. Our problem in the grassroots is a lack of straight up conviction to take on and take out RINOs.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (wT9UL)

492 I know I'm way late in this thread, but help me out here:

I read Ace's rant. I even read the only link in the rant, to some article about Elmers voting some way or another on some kind of half-measure bill about abortion.

But even after that I still can't exactly grasp what it is that has Ace all hyped up.

What is Elmers lying about? What was her declared position before? What does her current hemming and hawing indicate?

I get that she's lying about something, but Ace's rant never once identifies the lie, and the article linked also does not identify the lie, since it only discussed this current event, not any historical context.

My question is not about my or Ace's personal opinions on abortion (which seems to be almost identical, actually), but rather about identifying Elmer's lie.

Posted by: zombie at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (K4YiS)

493 I would guess a pro-abortion person wouldn't care much about such an event, and offering condolences could seem awkward or insulting. Just curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (afQnV)

This has always been interesting to me. I know a few women who have had abortions and later had children. The differences in their pronouns was remarkable.

Aborted baby - 'it'
Delivered baby - he/she/him/her/bundle o' joy/our child/the baby.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (fwARV)

494
*shoves a Pilsener Urquel through USB port*.

Oooh. That was my first favorite beer (thatwas actually good).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (JtwS4)

495 481 Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (L2xDv)

God forbid we run the orphanages like the old days and teach MACHINING, Mining, Mechanical work etc etc and turn out economic multipliers...

it is a lot better to have human remains as waste in landfills.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (/4AZU)

496 Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (MYCIw)

Unfortunately there are those who are not lying.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (3jmxp)

497 how can in one moment the baby be called Human and
in the next moment depending on desire to be a parent be inferred as a
pack o cells?

why isn't a viable child considered human or not just by personal life conditions?

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)
That is so cute.
Asking for logic from a liberal. It has no logic, it is just evil.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (wyI5D)

498 And finally the ugly of the ugly appears. Those lives aren't worth it, and we can decide ahead of any problems to make them just...go away. Because they burden us so. A real final solution to society's ills.

Whose up for Carousel?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:00 PM (0q2P7)

_________

Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist? Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Then fuck off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

499 So, Muumuu's answer is that he would have killed all of my sons in the womb; because their existence would cost him money somehow.

SRSLY, Fuck you dude.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (w5S6B)

500 I am in total disbelief that after that debacle you guys still think abortion is a winning issue. If 2012 and 2013 didn't convince you, I don't know what will. I suppose nothing. And we'll keep losing elections for the next 10 presidential elections. YEAY!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (0LHZx)

Word.

Posted by: Abortion Barbie at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0Ew3K)

501 Guys, I think it's fine to kill babies, but if you start bringing logic into this debate, I'll have to resort to saying that you won't win elections. Because morality is all about being popular & me having more money in my pocket.

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (MbqmP)

502 You guys are just like Progressives cause you want to ban killing off the elderly to save Medicare and Social Security money spent on their useless mouths.
Posted by: Ron Paul!!!

Check your birth certificate grandpa......

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (aMV0K)

503 Abortion has been legal for 42 years.
Any restrictions should be done at state level.
This is a waste of time and plays into the Let's hands.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (5Yg+I)

504 Millions of unwanted kids will cost me money via welfare, incarceration in prisons, etc.

I totally agree! Time to get rid of the undesirables before they become a drain on the public purse!

Posted by: Margaret Sanger, Eugenicist at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (uOAjL)

505
really what is the excuse for a late term abortion anyway? i was just so busy i didn't have time for an abortion earlier?

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (lKyWE)

506 "335
>>Yep, the GOP is gonna totally win elections by pledging to ban abortions."

Yup, indeed. It was said sarcastically but its true.
Greg Abbott in Texas beat abortion barbie Wendy Davis by about 20 points and won among women. Women dont like late term abortion any more than men do. its NOT popular.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (wT9UL)

507 "Unfortunately there are those who are not lying."

And they can report the crime.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (MYCIw)

508 I know that absolutists will say I am (metaphorically) trading an innocent life for my boys, but this experience softened my views on abortion.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
I agree with both parts of this. There was a trade, and good did eventually result.

If Imay submit, the term "absolutist' is used often as a weapon, as is extreme, fundamentalist and reactionary. I keep citing the example of a woman who is pregnant, and the child was killed when she was attacked. The most common result in an assault charge. Her choice is of no onsequence. because the current legal position is absolutist, that being the ability to abort at any time, for any reason. Two cannot co-exist legally.

This is usually when you hear the bullshit line about "trumping rights".

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (Spluw)

509 ...and decimation is letting them off too easy.

Posted by: Garrett at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (HFF96)

510 Fry this cocksucker.

http://tinyurl.com/ll3gt75

Statement to the victim's families-

'I'd like to say sorry to the families of Aiyanna Jones, Michael Brown, Eric Garner,' Young said. 'And I want to apologize to them for not being able to get justice for their loved ones who was murdered in cold blood - and in respect for the peaceful protest, I want to say hands up don't shoot. Black lives matter - that's it your honor.'

Posted by: RWC - Showerin'? Ain't nobody got no time for dat! at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (fWAjv)

511 Deflated stunt baby.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (W5DcG)

512 Meanwhile the president of Yemen resigns.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 12:53 PM (W5DcG)

So we Yemen is lost, nearly completely. Another Foreign Policy victory for Fredo and "Smart" Diplomacy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (LJcWW)

513 Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist? Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Then fuck off.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

That's the same argument I've been trying to get at all along! It's okay to kill people who might eventually cost you money.

Duh!

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (MbqmP)

514 Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Then fuck off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

THERE'S the racist!

After all, most aborted children are black. Moo Moo just assumes they'll end up in prison.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (fwARV)

515 Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist?
Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually
incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Then fuck off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)
So Mr. Libertarian is going to pay for higher taxes for a redistributionist welfare state to pay for those moms who CHOOSE NOT to have an abortion?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (uOAjL)

516 Decimation will only solve one tenth of the problem.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (ws1Wn)

517 Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist? Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Why can't we start work on the one's we already have?

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (aMV0K)

518 The Prophet Ace has reinstated Fuck? Good as fuck.

Ace, give Renne a break. She is a nurse. She has big tits. She beat Bobby Etheridge a yellow dog democrat, "What's Your Name" fame.

No one in NC thought she could do that. We gained a seat in NC that was Ethridges for life.

So she's a squish on abortion. SHE'S a NURSE. Where she worked she probably saw 10,000 thugs born to welfare moms that she was going to have to support.

After a while you start to think, enough.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (0FSuD)

519 Gregory, its probably better for us and our blood pressure to write instead of paying attention to this pile of rancid cud that is posting.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (twMaC)

520 Tune back to Rush. STILL going on about the football.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (XzRw1)

521 This was just another "screw you" to the American people.

They don't represent us. They haven't for a long time.

I used to get on to people who would tell me voting is a waste of time. Now I'm thinking they're right.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (4X5NS)

522 Oh right I forgot. Cooch lost because he wasn't conservative enough and didn't talk about gays and abortion enough. My bad.

Again, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. You're the shithead who doesn't know what he doesn't know.

Cuccinelli lost because the GOPe pulled any and all support for him because he won the primary against Bolling and the e threw a temper tantrum. It wasn't Cuccinelli bringing up anything about abortion or gays or anything else...it was the Dems and the GOPe defining him.

Again, what you think you know and what reality actually is has a fifty fucking mile chasm between the two.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (eytER)

523 You guys are the mirror image of progressives. Ban what you don't like, force everyone to do what you like. Only difference is the thinks you like/dislike. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (0LHZx)

Lying dishonest ignorant pathetic unlikable TROLL

Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (zt+N6)

524 "474
"Yeah, so "rape" exception actually = get out of pregnancy free card"

Jane Roe lied about being raped as the basis for Roe v Wade.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 12:58 PM (MYCIw)"

So does a claim of rape to get an abortion require a conviction? Given the speed of our court system, it seems unlikely that will happen within less than 20 weeks. Of course, the Sharia courts are known for the swiftness of their process but the standard of proof in this case is a bit higher.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (KDbAT)

525 Yup, indeed. It was said sarcastically but its true.
Greg Abbott in Texas beat abortion barbie Wendy Davis by about 20 points and won among women. Women dont like late term abortion any more than men do. its NOT popular.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (wT9UL)

______

Yep and the electorate of Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, Florida, Virginia, Missouri and every other purple state is EXACTLY LIKE TEXAS.

My bad.

Quick someone propose a constitutional amendment banning abortion and gay marriage. It polls at 60% in Texas, so it should easily pass nationally.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (0LHZx)

526 Ace is probably sitting back laughing at us all. We have different opinions so lets just leave it at that.... The point was Ellmers wasn't truthful about Her position... She lied. And that pissed Ace off. At least that's my interpretation..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (Bn6aD)

527 Abortion has been legal for 42 years.
Any restrictions should be done at state level.
This is a waste of time and plays into the Let's hands.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (5Yg+I)

Slavery has been legal for 10000 years.
Any restrictions should be done at state level.
This is a waste of time and plays into Lincoln's hands.

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (MbqmP)

528 @464
The reactionaries support rape.
They think women deserve to be raped.
That is why they are against abortion even in the case of rape.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (5Yg+I)

529 Mike carousels?

i like that idea, But shouldn't we have rules to Who should be picked as the sacrifice to the greater good?

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (nqBYe)

530 Shoot an admiral. Admiral Byng, shot on his own quarterdeck, for cowardice. Hanging was seemingly considered beneath the dignity of an admiral.

Posted by: bledsoe at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (g7SfB)

531 Conservatives will deny the GOP the Presidency in 2016.

Posted by: pam at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (cgrL5)

532 Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

I have spent the last 14 years clothing, feeding, and educating the boys I adopted; one of whom is considering a career in law enforcement.

Fuck you, asshole. With a chainsaw. Fuck you. It cannot be said enough.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (w5S6B)

533 Cuccinelli lost because the GOPe pulled any and all support for him because he won the primary against Bolling and the e threw a temper tantrum. It wasn't Cuccinelli bringing up anything about abortion or gays or anything else...it was the Dems and the GOPe defining him.

Again, what you think you know and what reality actually is has a fifty fucking mile chasm between the two.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (eytER)

_____________

And the polls are skewed!!!ty

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

534 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 22, 2015 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

Ah, AtC, how can you consistently come up with such pure poetry I'll never understand!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (ftVQq)

535 Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

Do I have a choice?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (W5DcG)

536 Ban what you don't like, force everyone to do what you like. Only difference is the thinks you like/dislike.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:48 PM (0LHZx)

Not quite. We've got laws against murder and Constitutionally-protected right no life.

Following the Constitution is purely a conservative position.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (fwARV)

537 Quick someone propose a constitutional amendment banning abortion and gay marriage.

Stop the strawman arguments. The issue is late term abortions.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (DXzRD)

538 Almost no one has called for banning all abortion.

What the pro-life movement has been doing, and successfully to boot, is nudging the conversation and the nation in a pro-life direction.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (uOAjL)

539 I have spent the last 14 years clothing, feeding, and educating the boys I adopted; one of whom is considering a career in law enforcement.

Fuck you, asshole. With a chainsaw. Fuck you. It cannot be said enough.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (w5S6B)

__________

Good for you.
Now what about the 40 million others that would be out there if you had your abortion ban wish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

540 "So does a claim of rape to get an abortion require a conviction? "

Pretty sure the bill in question only wanted a police report.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (MYCIw)

541 "Hillary will win in a landslide."

Can't happen fast enough.

Posted by: freaked at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (bmwO/)

542 Conservatives will deny the GOP the Presidency in 2016.

If the GOP nominee is a moderate establishment progressive (Bush 3, Romney, Christie) it won't matter anyway.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (w5S6B)

543 I make all my moral decisions based on what popular kids tell me to say.

Also, there's nothing ironic about hector and moo moo having exactly the same point of view on an issue.

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (MbqmP)

544 @525
The Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections.
Catering to the reactionaries on social issues is a large part of the reason.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (5Yg+I)

545 >No?
>Then fuck off.

Yes

Anything else you want to gripe about? If it costs society more money not to kill babies. Then yes that is a cost that is legitimate function of government. If I have to pay the prison costs for 10 people to give the one person a chance I do so. Otherwise I'd be building earthquake machines to level the Glades.

Again if we can't stop acting like the baby burners of old, we have no redeemable value as a civilization.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (0q2P7)

546 "520
Tune back to Rush. STILL going on about the football.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (XzRw1)"

Like many people, he would probably rather think about football than about being betrayed yet again by the Republicans that he helped get elected to Congress.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (KDbAT)

547 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting.

Ties all the stems.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (fwARV)

548 531 Posted by: pam at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (cgrL5)

I'll vote for Hillary in a new York minute if Jebba the Bush, Huckadoodle, or Chrispy Chreme are her opponent....

better to have open evil get a sequel than subtle evil rot away your support beam hidden.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (/4AZU)

549
If Imay submit, the term "absolutist' is used often as a weapon, as is extreme, fundamentalist and reactionary.

I hear you. I didn't mean it that way. I was just recognizing the argument that some would not approve of the tradeoff.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (JtwS4)

550
How many people do you know who spend their every waking moment thinking about their stance on abortion?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 12:59 PM (fwARV)

None. But it follows you around, just as every evil we as human beings do follows us around.

It's called a conscience. Most people actively work on killing theirs, but it still speaks to them.

At strange times, in strange places, you'll hear that little voice telling you this is wrong. Might not be every day. Might not be most days. People really do work on killing their conscience, and, over time (and dangerously for them) they succeed.

Still breaks through now and then. That's the human condition.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 01:07 PM (9LuAk)

551 >Catering to the reactionaries on social issues is a large part of the reason.

A ban on abortions after 20 weeks is not "Reactionary" so put the +5 Strawman Slayer down.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (0q2P7)

552 So what if voters started holding politicians to a bar of truthfulness? (In words started voting liars, of the left or the right or the centre out of office ever time.)Would the centre hold? What if the media were held to the same absolute standard?
A guy can dream.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (2LK1W)

553 Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?
that assumes none of those babies will grow up to be productive members of society and some may go on to do great things

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (lKyWE)

554 Sooner or later that football is going to file rape charges against Limbaugh.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (8FLjN)

555 Nothing saves taxpayer money like perpetuating the "life is worth nothing" ethos in many poor communities. It's all linked, and an abortion culture is not cheap.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (2cS/G)

556 Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist? Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Then fuck off.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

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You don't suppose that Moo Moos support of all.things.sex.related, anything goes... who am I to judge a guy that cheats on his wife by sucking champaigne out of her ass..... all sex all the time by anybody .......

..... has ANY causation effect on all these unwanted pregnancies????

No? Becasue that would require a grasp of the intellect he *thinks* he has.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (NaV4z)

557 Now what about the 40 million others that would be out there if you had your abortion ban wish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

Kill the inconvenient! If you can't contribute to society anymore, you have no right to life.

Thanks, Uncle Joe! Be sure to high-five Pol Pot on the way out.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (fwARV)

558 Most abortions are done by Blacks.
Reactionaries hate blacks and call them leeches.
If abortion was banned, there would be more blacks to bitch about.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:09 PM (5Yg+I)

559 After all, most aborted children are black. Moo Moo just assumes they'll end up in prison.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:03 PM (fwARV)
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Based on rate of abortions, but not by numbers
...
based on survey data compiled over the years 2006- 2010, the women who have abortions

56.7 % white, non-hispanic
21.4 % black, non-hispanic
14.2 % hispanic
7.7% Other, mixed

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (z27Ny)

560 OT: I'm not sure if this is satire or not. Not so long ago, I would have been convinced it was.

10 Ways Men Oppress Women Everyday.

http://tinyurl.com/p8zn9mt

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (XUKZU)

561 And the polls are skewed!!!ty

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Nice try at dismissal, you fucking imbecile.

But that's not at all what I said. the GOPe sabotaged Cuccinelli, Bolling was out badmouthing him during the general, there were some downstate GOPe delegates actively campaigning FOR McAuliffe, and there was no GOTV support for Cuccinelli. Because the GOPe threw a tantrum that Cuccinelli beat their picked guy for the nomination.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (eytER)

562 557 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:08 PM (fwARV)

They are absolutely in favor of genocide....

*luckily* babies don't fight back....

a kingdom of avarice built on infant skulls.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (/4AZU)

563 And here cums Hektor...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (twMaC)

564 They think women deserve to be raped.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy

hey everybody! Bill and Hilary Clinton are here!

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (Spluw)

565
not everything in life is about winning elections

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (lKyWE)

566 Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist? Will you pay higher taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious babies?

No?

Then fuck off.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

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Ah yes, the leftist value of life. It is nothing but a budgetary line item.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (gmeXX)

567 @544
The Democrats have lost the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections.
Catering to the revolutionaries on social issues is a large part of the reason.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! circa 2008 at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (MbqmP)

568 well that's it then.

If i have to put up farthings for these Undesirable children . I say kill em -kill em all.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (nqBYe)

569 @555
There would be more of the people you hate without abortion.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (5Yg+I)

570 I'd love to stop talking about the gays, if they would just stop following me into the truck stop bathroom and jacking me off...

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (jjaLl)

571 Good for you.

Now what about the 40 million others that would be out there if you had your abortion ban wish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

*grin spreads even further*

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (9LuAk)

572 Good for you.

Now what about the 40 million others that would be out there if you had your abortion ban wish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)
So Mr. Libertarian here now supports a redistributive welfare state to pay for those kids whose moms CHOOSE **NOT** to have an abortion, right?

Because ACTUAL choice works both ways. It's funny to see libertarians berate conservatives for not supporting a welfare state to pay for unwanted kids, but rarely does it cross their minds that they also oppose a welfare state to pay for wanted yet poor kids.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (uOAjL)

573 Now what about the 40 million others that would be out there if you had your abortion ban wish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)

You're right. Not one of those 40 million would start the next Google or design the next Mars Rover. Not a single one would be Pope or St. Francis or Mother Theresa.

Not a single one of them become the next Salk or cure cancer.

They're all burdens.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (fwARV)

574 "Good for you.

Now what about the 40 million others that would be out there if you had your abortion ban wish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)"

Well, for one thing, we would not have the Chamber of Commerce pushing so hard for open borders and by growing up in the United States there is a greater chance that they would share the values and culture.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (KDbAT)

575 558 Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:09 PM (5Yg+I)

That's why Donk AssMotherfuckers like you consider it holy sacrament right Yector?

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (/4AZU)

576 I also thought the alternative bill proposed that would pass was no federal funding for any abortions over 20 weeks.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (3jmxp)

577 I lied! Everything I tell you is a lie!
http://youtu.be/EzVxsYzXI_Y?t=1m26s

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (sH832)

578 When the moo hits the blog
with a big stinky log
that's annoying.

Posted by: freaked at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (bmwO/)

579 and believe me, the moderates will roll their eyes and support the
Establishment if it's given two terrible, horrible, no good choices.Posted by: Shoot Me

Boy, I'm not sure where you got all that OR the idea that I might care.....but here goes

If I was "all about winning" do you think I would vote for the Constitution party>

I get it it, you don't like that there are a growing number of people who are no longer willing to be ass raped by the liars in the establishment. Know what? Sounds like YOUR problem.

I owe you nothing, I owe the GOP nothing.

Earn my vote or go to hell.

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (VG2KM)

580 So she's a squish on abortion.

That's the point. She doesn't portray herself as a squish. She cosponsored this bill the last time it came up.

She could have just voted "no". Simple enough.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (L2xDv)

581 That's the same argument I've been trying to get at all along! It's okay to kill people who might eventually cost you money.

Duh!

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo

Ja, ja! Ziss iz vat ich keep tryink to tell volk, too!

Zee lazy Juden drain zee coffers of zee Vaterland, and ziss is zee crrrrrux of zee kvestion.

Posted by: Mr. A. Hilter at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (/Ho8c)

582 I see the talk of ignoring Mr. Moo from this morning's thread did not last very long.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (gmeXX)

583 Abortion reduces the amount of people on welfare.
As a focal conservative I have no problem with poor people getting abortions.
That means less on welfare.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (5Yg+I)

584 "Democrats don't lie to their base."

They don't? Because when I see their base repeat their talking points, I see nothing but lies.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (EQcfE)

585 When the moo hits the blog

with a big stinky log

that's annoying.

Posted by: freaked at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (bmwO/)

'kay, I admit, that made me laugh. I hear it being sung in my head now...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (9LuAk)

586 563 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:10 PM (twMaC)

only two things get Yector release...

1) being cuckolded

2) infanticide

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (/4AZU)

587 ok, this post isn't good for me.
check back later.

Posted by: willow at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (nqBYe)

588 I think we can put to bed the excuse that Moo Moo is just a contrarian. He's a Troll

Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (zt+N6)

589 That means less on welfare.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (5Yg+I)

Fuck off, Hector.

But first, you will blow me.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (fwARV)

590 ACE! ACE! ACE!

Posted by: Millions and millions of Ace's fans at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (WDCYi)

591 Thank God I didn't listen to that bitch from Planned Parenthood!

Posted by: Lebron James' Mom at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (2cS/G)

592 This here blog is becomin' troll laden Ummm hmmmmm..... I reckon I will leave then.

Posted by: Karl Childers at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (RNhbC)

593 580 Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2015 01:11 PM (L2xDv)

but *that* would have required integrity and denied her momentary feting by the newsies AD....

she's a big-titted Schumer

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (/4AZU)

594 I talked about the problem unringing the bell with the house purge project, when Ace started floating the idea. I, of course, am an idiot. They ring the bell. We don't.

It should start here. It only works if you identify names early, and she has helped out immensely in that respect. She couldn't wait to betray.

Posted by: Dave S. at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (2yO6m)

595 588
I think we can put to bed the excuse that Moo Moo is just a contrarian. He's a Troll

Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2015 01:13 PM (zt+N6)

I think he has a 6-year-old's conception of libertarianism as "you can't make me!!!!!" Which is juvenile and dumb.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (uOAjL)

596 I owe you nothing, I owe the GOP nothing.

Earn my vote or go to hell.

This.

And your words will earn my vote once.
But only once. After that it's your voting record. Vote for enough of what I support, or you don't get my vote come election time.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)

597 If Imay submit, the term "absolutist' is used often as a weapon, as is extreme, fundamentalist and reactionary.I hear you. I didn't mean it that way. I was just recognizing the argument that some would not approve of the tradeoff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

We're in agreement. I'm not sure that I "approve", or that I'm placed to do so.
I once offered to marry someone who found herself pregnant from a prior relationship. In the end, her parents and her roomates talked her into it. her parents were there for her that day, as was I. Her roomates (all female) bugged out and stayed away for three days.
That was a long time ago.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (Spluw)

598 @575
You hate minorities.
Abortion keeps their numbers down.
You should be happy about it.

I hope all is well with you.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (5Yg+I)

599 If we could once again teach personal responsibility and accountability for our actions, that alone would help correct the direction our country is heading. But the government won't allow anything like that to be taught outside the home. And they keep trying to get their hooks into our kids younger and younger. I went to half-day kindergarten. My younger sister went to full-day kindergarten. My three-year-old is supposed to go to full-day pre-k (they don't offer half-day). The less time at home, the more time to indoctrinate with the will of the state.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (VAsIq)

600 "Democrats don't lie to their base."

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. I'm done fighting in Iraq. No abortion funding in ObamaCare.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (fwARV)

601 I see the talk of ignoring Mr. Moo from this morning's thread did not last very long.

.....

Does it ever?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (J4dwG)

602 O/T

Want to see where this "Black Entitlement" is going? Black student threatens fellow WHITE student, university yaws.

http://tinyurl.com/q9o89wq

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (0FSuD)

603 I believe abortion is a modernized form of ancient pagan child sacrifice and further believe that the purpose remains the same: to appease, feed, and seek the favor of that old, hungry, malevolent thing that truly runs this world.

--

Yup. I suspect the same.

Posted by: @votermom at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (cbfNE)

604 Tune back to Rush. STILL going on about the football.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 22, 2015 01:04 PM (XzRw1)

heh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (IXrOn)

605 Are you not entertained?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (UhRGU)

606 Hey morons,

If you really believe we have a two party system, you're not just a smart military blog Moron, you're a fucking imbecile.

The GOP/Democrats hate Americans. That's why they have the same immigration policy--- they do not want people like you here, and they're desperate to make sure you make less money.

But keep telling yourself they (red team/blue team) are 'less bad' than the other guys. That's exactly what they want you to do.

Posted by: Mandeville at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (YrrBW)

607 Will you all just please give up and go with the flow? We're a leftist quasi-socialist nation now and we must all share our wealth with those in our society who would rather not work. There! That's not so hard is it? Doesn't the meth head down the street not need food and clothing and big screen TVs just like you do??

Welcome to the new GOP. "Welcome to the new age. . ."

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (OZmbA)

608 @589
If we ban abortions that means more people on welfare.
Do you really want that.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (5Yg+I)

609 We have had legal Inconvenient Baby Disposal (i.e. Abortion) for... what... 42 years... and in that time have disposed of over 50,000,000 inconvenient babies.

So, why is welfare spending through the roof compared with 42 years ago?

I don't think the "Kill babeez to save moneez" thesis has borne out.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (w5S6B)

610 We have had legal Inconvenient Baby Disposal (i.e. Abortion) for... what... 42 years... and in that time have disposed of over 50,000,000 inconvenient babies.

So, why is welfare spending through the roof compared with 42 years ago?

I don't think the "Kill babeez to save moneez" thesis has borne out.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (w5S6B)

611 I think he has a 6-year-old's conception of libertarianism as "you can't make me!!!!!" Which is juvenile and dumb.

----

I think he is just a leftist. But you summed up leftist, so carry on.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (gmeXX)

612 >>Are you going to take care of them Mr. Moralist? Will you pay higher
taxes to clothe, feed, educate and eventually incarcerate these precious
babies?

No?

MooMoo, this is precisely the attitude that supports this progression:

Late-term abortion (near-birth infanticide)--->
Groningen Protocol (post-birth infanticide)--->
Liverpool Care Pathway (kill old people who don't die fast enough)

Because all these sick people take up a lot of resources, resources we've been *forced* to pool and then divvy up thanks to Obamacare!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (ABcz/)

613 583 Abortion reduces the amount of people on welfare.
As a focal conservative I have no problem with poor people getting abortions.
That means less on welfare.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (5Yg+I)

_____________

I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

614 Shot Obama Touts eBay During SOTU As An Example Of Booming Economy Chaser Less Than 24 Hours Later eBay Lays Off 2,400 Workers

Weasel Zippers

The Magic Negro strikes again

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (LJcWW)

615 Hector & Moo Moo making exactly the same arguments in favor of exactly the same thing. I mean, admittedly one of them is able to put it into complete sentences that don't sound like they come from behind a drug-induced fog, but it's exactly the same "darkies should be killed because they cost money and you're not a popular kid anyway" argument.

Odd that. Very odd.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (MbqmP)

616 598 Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:14 PM (5Yg+I)

I love mankind, I respect all cultures that do not think they have a God given writ to subjugate all others....

I detest abortion but I loathe abortion past sentience...

go fuck a chainsaw you cuckolded asshammer.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (/4AZU)

617 @603. That's pretty much what Moo Moo is saying, whether he recognizes it or not. Kill these babies now or they will bring great hardship to our people!

Posted by: Lebron James' Mom at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (2cS/G)

618 I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

Nuff said.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (MbqmP)

619 Shoot an admiral. Admiral Byng, shot on his own quarterdeck, for cowardice. Hanging was seemingly considered beneath the dignity of an admiral.
Posted by: bledsoe at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (g7SfB)

Byng wasn't executed for personal cowardice. He was shot for 'failing to do his utmost' to engage the enemy; i.e., Byng fell back to effect repairs to his ships for another try at the French on Minorca rather than continue the assault. At that time, 'failure to do the utmost' was punishable by death.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (CAJL/)

620 So [... conception of] libertarianism is juvenile and unstructured.
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Hey

Posted by: RioBravo at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (z27Ny)

621 Hey, I wasn't aborted. That's enough for me. To hell with the rest of those unviable tissue masses.

Posted by: Moo Boy at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (j0WXm)

622 Don't Worry, be Happy! is hector, in case you didn't realize.

Posted by: Troll Patrol at January 22, 2015 01:17 PM (ZPrif)

623 Abortion thread - always a high-poster. In my personal life, I was responsible for two abortions. One was my choice, the other the woman's. I know now that I am a murderer, and I will have to face my God someday. One of those aborted babies has two siblings now, it breaks my heart to think of their older brother/sister.
So. It's too damn easy to do.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (TPjwz)

624 I see the talk of ignoring Mr. Moo from this morning's thread did not last very long.

.....

Does it ever?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 22, 2015 01:15 PM (J4dwG)

Moo truly brings up what 10's of millions of people think.

It's good to have the argument, although everything has already been said a million times.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (IXrOn)

625 I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

No. Hector is pretty well wrong about everything. Even the volcano.

If Hector told me the sky was blue- I'd double check, just to make sure it hadn't changed.

When you find yourself agreeing with something Hector says, it's a good opportunity to explore *why* it's wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (kff5f)

626 Pro-choice is a cop-out. Just call it what it is and stop being such a pussy about it.....

Posted by: Hank_Scorpio at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (nQREt)

627 613
583 Abortion reduces the amount of people on welfare.

As a focal conservative I have no problem with poor people getting abortions.

That means less on welfare.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:12 PM (5Yg+I)

_____________

I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

Kill people to save money? What a brilliant idea!

Posted by: Margaret Sanger, Eugenicist at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (uOAjL)

628 From a fiscal conservative viewpoint, abortion is a necessary evil.
It lowers the amount of poor people who would depend on government.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (5Yg+I)

629 A Yemeni government spokesman says the cabinet has submitted its resignation to embattled President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi amid a standoff with Shiite rebels who control the capital.

Rageh Badi told The Associated Press that the government headed by Khaled Bahah handed its resignation to Hadi on Thursday without providing further details.

Bahah's government was formed in November as part of a United Nations-brokered peace deal after the Houthis overran the capital in September.

Bahah posted his resignation on his official Facebook page, saying he had held office in "very complicated circumstances." He says he resigned in order to "avoid being dragged into an abyss of unconstructive policies based on no law."

"We don't want to be a party to what is happening or will happen," he added.

Oh Yeah good times coming. Hey Fredo maybe get our people out of there? Ya think?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (LJcWW)

630 I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Cause there's only one way to increase welfare rolls.
Jesus, Mary Joseph and the donkey, you are stupid.

Next time, listen to your hatred. it's smarter than you are.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (Spluw)

631 "I don't think the "Kill babeez to save moneez" thesis has borne out."

Why, it's almost like destroying the family unit has negative consequences!

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (MYCIw)

632 Sock off

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (2cS/G)

633 372 I have three adopted sons.

1. His parents were drug users, he was put into foster care when they were sent to prison for beating and robbing an old lady... his grandmother.

2. Was born to a homeless, unemployed drug-addicted, unmarried woman with mental health issues.

3. Was born to alcoholic parents who abused him sexually, hence he was put into foster care.

Will all pro-choicers please explain which of my sons they would have had killed in the womb and why.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 12:43 PM (w5S6B)

God bless you.

My wife and I are hoping to be able to adopt, if nature doesn't cooperate (it hasn't thus far).

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at January 22, 2015 01:19 PM (9T05o)

634

Ace's post goes beyond the abortion issue.

This is brilliant:

Here's a not terribly-well-kept secret: Most of the GOP establishment -- the elected officials, the shadow government of consultants and "think tank" people and so on -- has spent the great majority of its adult life in Progressive Dominated Social Circles, and have largely adopted their mores on a great many issues.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:19 PM (IXrOn)

635 I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

Really? Fifty million abortions later, how much lower are our welfare bills?

Or are you going to attempt to 'saved or created' your way out of this?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:19 PM (fwARV)

636 Sven, the Leftist State is Moloch.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:19 PM (twMaC)

637
I once offered to marry someone who found herself pregnant from a prior relationship.

Old school. Nice.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 22, 2015 01:19 PM (JtwS4)

638 I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:16 PM (0LHZx)

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I dunno why you hate to agree with Hector.

I cant thing of an issue you actually disagree.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 01:20 PM (NaV4z)

639 The important thing is to keep the hicks onboard at least until the general in 2016.
Intoducing a late term abortion ban bill is one way. Pulling support proves there is no war on women. Those Tea Party imbeciles are impossibly stupid.
When we get Jeb in we won't need their votes thank God.

Posted by: Republicans -- now with more power! at January 22, 2015 01:20 PM (F4T72)

640 From a fiscal conservative viewpoint, abortion is a necessary evil. It lowers the amount of poor people who would depend on government.

If that's true, why has welfare spending exploded ($1T per year and rising) since Roe v Wade?

Much like Global Warming, the hypothesis has not played out in real life.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:20 PM (w5S6B)

641 @613
Hey I apologize if I ever got nasty with you.
You're good people and I have your back.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:20 PM (5Yg+I)

642 >.I don't think the "Kill babeez to save moneez" thesis has borne out.

Because the same people who want to kill the babeez to save money advocate for Welfare, WIC, EBT, feeding 3 meals/day at public school, Obamacare for "kids" until they're 26, open border, etc..

It is illogical; insane.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (ABcz/)

643 And Lena Dunham is one of the temple 'priestesses.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (twMaC)

644 Hector says that the fantasy "reactionaries" in his head should be in favour of killing blacks because it reduces the burden on society. Moo Moo agrees without reservation.

You can't parody this, folks!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (MbqmP)

645 Helpful hint: If you and Hector are in agreement and/or he says you're "good people," you have some serious deficiencies in your worldview.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (eytER)

646 636 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:19 PM (twMaC)

Absolutely it is Moloch....

and I have been sedating myself with the internet, and reading for far too long.

I am either leaving the nation when able and laying the groundwork for my progeny to follow or starting up my last homestead and striving to be as independent as I can and ignore these evil insane assholes until I get peaceful oblivion....

We live in an insane asylum.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (/4AZU)

647 When you find yourself agreeing with something Hector says, it's a good opportunity to explore *why* it's wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 01:18 PM (kff5f)

He/she is just a Talking Points injector.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (IXrOn)

648 Hey I apologize if I ever got nasty with you.
You're good people and I have your back.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:20 PM (5Yg+I)

Are you going to stop using multiple computers to suck yourself off in the comments, or do you want to address the counter-points being brought up?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:21 PM (fwARV)

649 You guys want to adopt kids? Adopt them.

You don't want to have abortions, don't have them. It's not for everyone.

But why do you have this insatiable to tell everyone else what to do? Some women want to have 10 kids. Some don't want to have any kids. Let them make that CHOICE. That's what this all comes down to...choice.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (0LHZx)

650 @640
Can you imagine how much more welfare spending would have gone up without abortion?
Abortion is done by people who would be dependent on government.
Without abortion welfare spending would be worse and you would be bitching about all those black people.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (5Yg+I)

651 The popularity of Clint Eastwoods new drama American Sniper has boosted the sales of pro-military clothing. A number of pro-military retailers said they had seen a noticeable spike in sales since the movie premiered across the country last weekend. One retailer had even seen his orders more than double.

FreeBeacon

Outstanding

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (LJcWW)

652 Ace is probably sitting back laughing at us all. We have different opinions so lets just leave it at that.... The point was Ellmers wasn't truthful about Her position... She lied. And that pissed Ace off. At least that's my interpretation..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (Bn6aD)

Of course she lied. She's a politician.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (0Ew3K)

653 641 @613
Hey I apologize if I ever got nasty with you.
You're good people and I have your back.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:20 PM (5Yg+I)

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**snort**

even Hector pokes fun at Moo Moo...

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (NaV4z)

654 The baby killing thing didn't work out well for Carthage.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (ws1Wn)

655
We live in an insane asylum.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 201

I wish, at least there, there is some hope.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (vPh3W)

656 Some women want to have 10 kids. Some don't want to have any kids. Let them make that CHOICE. That's what this all comes down to...choice.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (0LHZx)

I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm pretty sure there are close to a dozen ways women can not have kids, none of which involve, you know, killing their kids.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (fwARV)

657 I heard this Moo Moo fly is in his 30s.

And I'm pretty sure he's costing us tax money in some form or another.

So I suggest lifting the ban on 90th trimester abortions. Because it's a great way to save money.

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (eytER)

658 Hector thinks he's a saboteur behind enemy lines, so he'll take any position that he thinks can get people angry at each other.

In this specific case, since most of the Horde is more pro-life than Ace is, his hope is he can weaken the influence of this blog by getting people angry enough to leave.

Posted by: Troll Patrol at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (ZPrif)

659 642 >.I don't think the "Kill babeez to save moneez" thesis has borne out.

You're right. It's much more economical to euthanize the old women.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (vwlGK)

660 Perhaps time for some art

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Richard-Sweeney-paper-design-5.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (twMaC)

661 Since the party of stoopid went to all fiscal conservatives, it is no longer fiscal or social conservative.

Posted by: Big Ben at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (mHmjO)

662 652 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (0Ew3K)

b/c I am a scorpion you conservative imbecile...

//GOP Politician with their barb in you

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (/4AZU)

663 Of course she lied. She's a politician.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (0Ew3K

I believe that was postion about 550 posts or so ago.
I see that our professional shit sucking weasel is back. Wonderful

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (vPh3W)

664 The funny thing about the "Fiscal Conservatives" who claim that not liking welfare and being against the killing of innocent babies is inconsistent is that when you try to explain to them why it isn't: which requires things like a moral philosophy (usually, but not always, grounded in Judeo-Christian values) and what you might call a "holistic approach to society," they're suddenly not interested anymore.

Its as if since *they* can't conceive of the link between welfare and abortion (because it's more than one step back), such a link cannot possibly exist.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (kff5f)

665 @649
Socons are reactionary big government theocratic fascists.
They want a nanny state telling people how to live.
Just like Marxists do.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (5Yg+I)

666 ...and when does *MY* "choice" get considered.....?

Posted by: 22 week old baby at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (eytER)

667
I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm pretty sure there are close to a dozen ways women can not have kids, none of which involve, you know, killing their kids.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (fwARV)

_________

Oh even better. Let's ban sex.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (0LHZx)

668 The baby killing thing didn't work out well for Carthage.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (ws1Wn)
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That is why we now practice beheading.

Posted by: Al Kyda in Tunisia at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (z27Ny)

669 Helpful hint: If you and Hector are in agreement and/or he says you're "good people," you have some serious deficiencies in your worldview.
Posted by: @JohnTant

And I thought that the endorsement of the Kim il Jong was a nutripper.

Posted by: Pres. John Kerry (so close) at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (Spluw)

670
Some don't want to have any kids. Let them make that CHOICE. That's what this all comes down to...choice.

if you don't want to have kids then be responsible and make sure you don't get pregnant

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (lKyWE)

671 "And the polls are skewed!!!ty

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:06 PM (0LHZx)"

As is often said, the only poll that counts is on election day. On that day Ken Cuccinelli lost by 2%. That seems like a number that could have been overcome with a GOTV effort or a more extensive advertising campaign. Perhaps if he had received more support from the national Republican Party, Terry McAuliff would not be Governor of Virginia today.

My inclination is to show as much loyalty to the Republican Party when my candidate loses the primary as the establishment people show when their candidate loses the primary.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (KDbAT)

672 But why do you have this insatiable to tell everyone else what to do? Some women want to have 10 kids. Some don't want to have any kids. Let them make that CHOICE. That's what this all comes down to...choice.

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I agree, don't want to have kids, then use a contraceptive or do not engage in sexual intercourse. Once life is created, unfortunately, it is not just you any more.

But we get it Moo. You don't care about choice either. You care about your wallet and the cost of the welfare state - why I don't know - since you think it has contributed nothing to the debt.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

673 They want a nanny state telling people how to live.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (5Yg+I)

No. They want a state in which people CAN live.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (fwARV)

674 >>But why do you have this insatiable to tell everyone else what to do?
Some women want to have 10 kids. Some don't want to have any kids. Let
them make that CHOICE. That's what this all comes down to...choice.

Yeah, choice:
*Choosing to have protected vs. unprotected sex
*Choosing a reliable form of protection
*Choosing the right partnet with whom to have sex (so if you get pregnant, he'll be there - you'll actually know his name 'n stuff)
*Choosing *when* to have sex (yeah, some times of the month are better than others)

Lotsa choices *before* getting pregnant.
And yes, this assumes it's not rape. Rape is a different story.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (ABcz/)

675 Hey, you don't want to murder your aging relatives -- then don't. But don't limit my freedom to dispose of my aging relatives as I see fit.

Posted by: Ron Paul!!! at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (ZPrif)

676 655 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (vPh3W)

Well "sometimes"...

go to Anna Puma's link....

the left as caretaker is not a hopeful place to be when weak my friend....

"end it don't mend it" so to speak.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (/4AZU)

677 Oh even better. Let's ban sex.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Well, okay, but cutting off your hand seems kinda drastic.

Posted by: Blue hen at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (Spluw)

678 I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm pretty sure there are close to a dozen ways women can not have kids, none of which involve, you know, killing their kids.

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That's just crazy talk, man.

Posted by: @votermom at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (cbfNE)

679 Oh even better. Let's ban sex.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:24 PM (0LHZx)

Tell me, where did I mention not having sex?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (fwARV)

680 One's position on a certain issues may not be a problem to me but lying about any issue is. It's very simple really.

Posted by: freaked at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (bmwO/)

681 Yesterday the State Department said things were just dandy in Yemen?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (LJcWW)

682 You know what's so sad? About 8 years ago, we had the Blue Dog Democrats coalition. Remember that? Of course, as it turns out, they ended up on party lines as much as all of 'em. (I'm looking at you Brad Ellsworth)

But, socially, personally...them Blue Dogs were/are probably more right of center than most of the GOPers in congress right now.

Posted by: TickledPink at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (TMe1n)

683 657 I heard this Moo Moo fly is in his 30s.

And I'm pretty sure he's costing us tax money in some form or another.

So I suggest lifting the ban on 90th trimester abortions. Because it's a great way to save money.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 22, 2015 01:23 PM (eytER)

_______

I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than you grossed. So once again, do me a favor and fuck off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)

684
without abortion how could we haveindiscriminate sex

Posted by: kj at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (lKyWE)

685 We live in an insane asylum.

I wish, at least there, there is some hope.

And drugs.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (W5DcG)

686 Some women want to have 10 kids.

And if those 10 kids are crack-addled proto-criminals, you'll pay for the redistributive welfare state to take care of them all, right? Right, Mr. Libertarian?

Posted by: Margaret Sanger, Eugenicist at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (uOAjL)

687 Obnoxious A-Hole: "Well, for one thing, we would not have the Chamber of Commerce pushing so hard for open borders and by growing up in the United States there is a greater chance that they would share the values and culture."

Point of Order. Our Chamber of Commerce would still be pushing for open borders. It's the driver of the least common denominator as it applies to labor wage pressure. Their push is timeless and limitless.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (1CroS)

688 oops sock/off

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (uOAjL)

689 677 Oh even better. Let's ban sex.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Well, okay, but cutting off your hand seems kinda drastic.
Posted by: Blue hen at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (Spluw

You owe me a new keyboard. Thanks BH

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (vPh3W)

690 @661
The GOP only appeals to fiscons in general elections.
In the primaries and when they are in power, the GOP caters to reactionaries, white supremacists, xenophobes and theocrats.
Its become clear the GOP does not care about fiscal or economic issues.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (5Yg+I)

691 >I hate to agree with Hector, but when he's right, he's right.

So long as you understand you are just implementing a modern version of the Vlad Tepes final solution to poverty. Then, in the face of acknowledging your own barbarism, clearly you can't be dissuaded. Just know then. That's who you are. Proclaim it proudly. Kill everyone who is an inconvenience to the State.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (0q2P7)

692 I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than you grossed. So once again, do me a favor and fuck off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)

Nope. You didn't. Not unless you have a salary well into the millions.

Now, assuming you did fairly well for yourself, why aren't you paying your fair share, you h8er 1%er?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (fwARV)

693 685 We live in an insane asylum.

I wish, at least there, there is some hope.

And drugs.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (W5DcG)

Better living thru chemistry Baby

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 01:27 PM (vPh3W)

694 I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than you grossed. So once again, do me a favor and fuck off.

Big talk from such a little person behind a computer screen.

Your claims are meaningless, and coming from your discredited self, laughable in any event.

I'm thinking you're a hipster 30 year old in skinny jeans railing against whatever because it makes you feel smart. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it, hopefully before your nose is broken for you a few times....

Posted by: 22 week old baby at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (eytER)

695 674
Rape is a different story.

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Go on...

Posted by: Bill Cosby at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (VAsIq)

696 MORE

Posted by: Mmoloch at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (0Ew3K)

697 'I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than you grossed.'

Do you have to report glory hole income?

Posted by: freaked at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (bmwO/)

698 I agree, don't want to have kids, then use a contraceptive or do not engage in sexual intercourse. Once life is created, unfortunately, it is not just you any more.

But we get it Moo. You don't care about choice either. You care about your wallet and the cost of the welfare state - why I don't know - since you think it has contributed nothing to the debt.
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

____________

Yes I care about my wallet. I also care about choice. If my daughter were to get pregnant at 15 (knock on wood it doesn't happen), you're damn fucking right I want her to have the choice to get rid of the baby. I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (0LHZx)

699 Tell me, where did I mention not having sex?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (fwARV)

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ooooo....oooooo......oooooo.... Call on MEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: The Strawman at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (NaV4z)

700 since most of the Horde is more pro-life than Ace is, his hope is he can weaken the influence of this blog by getting people angry enough to leave

Except, of course, that Ace is *honest* about his position. Which I can at least respect.

Posted by: GMan at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (sxq57)

701 When the Left says "choice" they mean "choice without responsibility or consequence."

A choice with a price? That's oppression!
So free everything, free abortions on demand, but no guns. Because owning a gun demands you exercise responsibility, can not have that. Free public transportation but no free cars, same reason.

Posted by: @votermom at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (cbfNE)

702 Oh even better. Let's ban sex.

I'm tired of your strawmen, Moo Moo. This thread is about LATE TERM abortions, and Republican woman not being on board with that It's not about SSM, not about banning abortions period, not about banning sex.

At this point you just sound ridiculous.

I'm with willow. I'm out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (DXzRD)

703 Yesterday the State Department said things were just dandy in Yemen?

And today it's aborted.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (W5DcG)

704 Moo Moo's arguments really just boil down to Jon Stewart leftism: pro-life conservatives are icky prudes and he doesn't want to side with them, instead he'll side with the "cool kids" even though his arguments are inconsistent and full of more strawmen than a corn field in Iowa

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (uOAjL)

705 Well, okay, but cutting off your hand seems kinda drastic.
Posted by: Blue hen at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (Spluw)

lol

we need a new post

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (IXrOn)

706 I am pro-choice too.

Carrying a baby to term doesn't remove the "choice."

You are too young to have a baby? Fine. You don't want to ruin your life? Great. It's called adoption.

You have the baby. You can CHOOSE to keep the baby and raise him or her as your own. Or you can CHOOSE to place the baby into the home of someone who will give them all the love in the world.

Posted by: TickledPink at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (TMe1n)

707 When all is said and done, though, I would prefer the Federal Government have no role in abortion at all and leave its regulation strictly up to the states. New York can have 10,000 Kermit Gosnell's hacking up children all they want while Utah outlaws it entirely except for rape and the life of the mother. And the only law would be barring the FedGov from interfering.

I would be totes OK with that.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (w5S6B)

708 When all is said and done, though, I would prefer the Federal Government have no role in abortion at all and leave its regulation strictly up to the states. New York can have 10,000 Kermit Gosnell's hacking up children all they want while Utah outlaws it entirely except for rape and the life of the mother. And the only law would be barring the FedGov from interfering.

I would be totes OK with that.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (w5S6B)

709 I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than you grossed. So once again, do me a favor and fuck off.Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx) Nope. You didn't. Not unless you have a salary well into the millions.

I'm grosser than everybody here!!!!....Wait.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (Spluw)

710 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

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Just someone else's. And in that person's case - literally destroyed - not figuratively.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (gmeXX)

711 Yesterday the State Department said things were just dandy in Yemen?

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Time to buy beheading futures.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (XUKZU)

712
And today it's aborted.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (W5DcG

Moochoice

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (vPh3W)

713 Khan...I'm laughing at the superior intellect.

Posted by: James Goddamned Kirk at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (eytER)

714 673
They want a state where the people they want to live due what the government says.
Its hysterical that pro lifers are the same people who want to put blacks and Latinos in death camps.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (5Yg+I)

715 Sorry-Meant late term abortions and Republican Congresswoman not being on board with voting against it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (DXzRD)

716 You don't want to have abortions, don't have them. It's not for everyone.

But why do you have this insatiable to tell everyone else what to do?

You don't want to kill your wife, don't kill her. It's not for everyone.

Posted by: OJ Simpson at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (L2xDv)

717 A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nn3Uibn3TM

Posted by: Zombie Jeff Hanneman at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (0Ew3K)

718 we need a new post

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Something non-controversial like which is the one true religion.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (XUKZU)

719 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

Posted by: Things Obama Said at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (eytER)

720 *pauses as brain coughs up something from the deep memory banks*

I think it was a late 1960s era Readers Digest found at a library. Article on abortion. In the Northeast. Apparently for the WASP set, a majority of elective abortions were still listed by their doctors as being needed.

*no idea why that decided to burp at this moment*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (twMaC)

721 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (0LHZx)

Ah yes, the old 'punished with a child' line.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (fwARV)

722 I would be totes OK with that.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (w5S6B)

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Well.... thats kinda the way its supposed to be....

Posted by: The 10th Ammendment at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (NaV4z)

723 Does the rape exception count if she was asking for it?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (ws1Wn)

724 714 Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (5Yg+I)

yes Yector you cocksucking retard wanting a level economic playing field is "placing blacks and latinos in death camps"...

Your wife needs her back shaved chop chop.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (/4AZU)

725 "I spend more on lunch than you make in a month."

Words that should never be used with a customs agent on the Canadian border (unless you enjoy cavity searches).

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (vwlGK)

726 . I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

Nah, you just want to murder your grandchild. It's cool.

If she does eventually have kids she can tell the story of how she had them, despite grandpa wanting them dead. It'll be great at bedtime.

Posted by: GMan at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (sxq57)

727 Except, of course, that Ace is *honest* about his position. Which I can at least respect.
Posted by: GMan

Yes. I don't agree with Ace's position. But he is fronting this, and is making some great observations about the party.

Thanks again Ace. I don't say it enough.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (Spluw)

728 >Yes I care about my wallet. I also care about choice. If my daughter were to get pregnant at 15 (knock on wood it doesn't happen), you're damn fucking right I want her to have the choice to get rid of the baby. I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

I love the fact that you think that

1. You can't adopt.
2. No one else can either.

So it's just ruined life or dead kid. No way around it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (0q2P7)

729 "652
Ace is probably sitting back laughing at us all. We have different
opinions so lets just leave it at that.... The point was Ellmers wasn't
truthful about Her position... She lied. And that pissed Ace off. At
least that's my interpretation..

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at January 22, 2015 01:05 PM (Bn6aD)

Of course she lied. She's a politician.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2015 01:22 PM (0Ew3K)"

Cheap cynicism is an abdication of your moral obligation as a citizen of a democracy. I think that it was Milton Freedman who said that rather than electing good people in order to get politicians to do the right thing, you need to create circumstances where bad people will do the right thing in their own self interest.

The plan Ace has outlined seems like an excellent way to create those circumstances.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (KDbAT)

730 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.
Posted by: Things Obama Said at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (eytER)

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In many ways Moo's life is the life of Obama.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (gmeXX)

731
_President Cut-and-Run sez bhlah-da-bhleldah-da-bhlah-bhlah we got Yemen under control and if not we've got the marines ready to evacuate the embassy.

Yeah, ol' Cut-and-Run don't won't no Cut-and-Shoot. ...again

Posted by: Ralph at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (cWx6M)

732 Hey, you don't want to murder your aging relatives -- then don't. But don't limit my freedom to dispose of my aging relatives as I see fit.
Posted by: Ron Paul!!!

Mike! Mike! Mike! What daaaay is it?

It's the day we get rid of grandpa Ron!
-Grandon Mike

Posted by: rickb223 - ODD at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (aMV0K)

733
Since the party of stoopid went to all fiscal conservatives, it is no longer fiscal or social conservative.

Abortion is useless as a political issue. The country is split 50:50 on it, and almost no one can be persuaded to change their minds. I do think that strident SoCon stands damage the GOP brand.

But, it's also an issue of fundamental moral belief, so I can't really ask pro-lifers to not advocate in support of their core values.

The problem, as I see it, is that the GOPe has in fact shifted its emphasis from SoCon to FiCon, but (i) the Left/MSM perpetuates the caricature that the GOP is still the Religious Right of the 80s; and (ii) theTHE FICONS DON'T DO ANY FICONNING!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (JtwS4)

734 @691
You want more poor on welfare?
You want more minorities you hate?
Abortion reduces the number of people you hate.
You should support it.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (5Yg+I)

735 Does the rape exception count if she was asking for it?

How was she dressed?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (XUKZU)

736 Okay guys, unzip. I'll get the tape measure.

Posted by: Barney Frenk at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (zxQ4h)

737 If we are talking practicality, notice that abortion leads to low birth rates which in turn leads to increased immigration (legal & illegal) which in turn leads to creeping Sharia (see France, Germany, etc).
Ergo, abortion leads to terrorism.
Q.E.D.

Posted by: @votermom at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (cbfNE)

738 716 Posted by: OJ Simpson at January 22, 2015 01:30 PM (L2xDv)

You don't want to eat neighborhood runaways then don't...now leave me alone....

//J Dahmer esq

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (/4AZU)

739 You're all a bunch of racists xenophobes & theocrats because I can't stop thinking about racism xenophobia & theocracy.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (MbqmP)

740 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.

There's a huge difference between being temporarily inconvenienced for nine months and being utterly destroyed.

One gives you a chance to get on with your life once the inconvenience has passed. The other leaves you in chopped pieces in a medical waste bag.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (w5S6B)

741 The problem is this issue isn't really thought about much beyond tribalism, you're either labeled pro choice or prolife, and all the extremes that come with it. So I guess I can understand GOP politicians just lying about it and finding ways to just check a box without doing anything about it.

Social conservatives that actually believe abortion is going to be criminalized in this country have to be dumber than rocks, so if that's what "pro-life" means, the politicians just look at it as a make-believe political goal that's never going to be achieved and treat it accordingly.

I completely support banning later than 20 weeks, but I also understand that social conservatives will fuck this up and would rather they not make the new Congress first big push to be on abortion. I guarantee to you all sorts of stupid are going to come flowing out from the Akin/Mourdock wing of the party.

Posted by: McAdams at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (yGD7t)

742 Time to start ignoring what is fast becoming an obnoxious troll and SOB

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (LJcWW)

743 Pro-choicism is a death cult.
Abortion is the pre-meditated taking of an innocent, defenseless human life.
There is another word that fits that definition,,, gimme a sec,,, right on the tip of my tongue,,, starts with m,,,

Posted by: teej at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (w45GJ)

744 >>If my daughter were to get pregnant at 15 (knock on wood it doesn't
happen), you're damn fucking right I want her to have the choice to get
rid of the baby. I don't want her life destroyed because she acted
stupidly.

A] That's your grandchild you're talking about. It assumes she'll have other children in the future, which there is no guarantee. Just sayin'.

B] Just curious, how would you feel if, in this scenario, your daughter's boyfriend took her to the abortion clinic and she had the mistake taken care of without your consent. Is that OK?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (ABcz/)

745 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)

Oh no you didn't . You actually pulled the 'I make more money than you peons' card. Wow that's a big time douche move.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (3jmxp)

746 ACE,

Question here.

As the last election has shown (not that it needed prove), we can win elections. Problem however is that we keep falling for LIARS.

This is a problem. The one that even a THIRD PARTY would not help (I know you are not advocating one, at least in this post, this is just an observation). Because the people who elect representatives would still have the same problem - telling LIARS apart.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: Nevsky at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (uingK)

747 Ya, I bonered her.

Posted by: John Boehner at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (LoIJo)

748

Renee Ellmers is Wendy Davis with Less Panache

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (lsWof)

749 "Except, of course, that Ace is *honest* about his position. Which I can at least respect."

No he's not, no one that labels themselves as "pro-choice" is being honest. They just can't bring themseleves to use the proper term for their position, which is pro-death....

Posted by: Hank_Scorpio at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (nQREt)

750 When a nation gives up it's respect for human life, bad things happen. The examples are too numerous to list.

It really is as simple as that.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (j0WXm)

751

Renee Ellmers is Wendy Davis with Less Panache

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 01:33 PM (lsWof)

752 Just a few weeks ago Hector was all Kill non-Catholics for Christ and now he's pro-abortion?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (XUKZU)

753 If she does eventually have kids she can tell the story of how she had them, despite grandpa wanting them dead. It'll be great at bedtime.

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Think of all the money Moo saves at Christmas (or winter solstice - whatever he celebrates as an atheist).

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (gmeXX)

754 Okay guys, unzip. I'll get the tape measure.

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I win again!

Posted by: LBJ at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (VAsIq)

755 #750 is stolen from Twitter...

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (lsWof)

756 Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy!

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I laugh at your every post.

That IS what you're going for, right?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (jjaLl)

757 Really, Moo Moo? Ruined life?

Worst case scenario- She carries the baby to term. You have to take her out of school for a year (if she goes to Catholic school or if she cares what people think of her at school). She has the baby. Gives it up for adoption. Goes back to school, probably much wiser than before. Graduates from high school. Goes on to college, a year late, and gets a degree.

How is that a ruined life?

Posted by: TickledPink at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (TMe1n)

758 You want more poor on welfare?
You want more minorities you hate?
Abortion reduces the number of people you hate.
You should support it.
Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:32 PM (5Yg+I)
I mean you all hate black as much as I do, right?

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (MbqmP)

759 I support euthanasia as well.
That means less old people leeching off social security And medicare.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (5Yg+I)

760 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (0LHZx)

Why do you push buttons like this? It doesn't make sense.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (IXrOn)

761 "718
we need a new post

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Something non-controversial like which is the one true religion.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:31 PM (XUKZU)"

Mine, obviously you heretic bastard!

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (KDbAT)

762 I wholeheartedly support the Decimation Platform.

Posted by: no good deed at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (w3a0Z)

763 They just can't bring themseleves to use the proper term for their position, which is pro-death....

Well, I meant that he's not pretending to be pro-life. But, yeah.

Posted by: GMan at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (sxq57)

764 This Yemeni coup is going to hurt Obama's Drone program.

Posted by: Garrett at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (HFF96)

765 make that #751.... thanks pixy!

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (lsWof)

766 Abortion is useless as a political issue. The country is split 50:50 on it, and almost no one can be persuaded to change their minds. I do think that strident SoCon stands damage the GOP brand.

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So the GOP smartly pissed off the 50% that vote for the GOP. Well played. A great way to win elections.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (gmeXX)

767 The One True Religion of the Horde???

Val-U-Rite, chaps, and hobo hunting are scared rituals amongst the Horde.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:36 PM (twMaC)

768 752 Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (XUKZU)

The shrink changed his dosages again....

give it a week.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:36 PM (/4AZU)

769 People refusing to die is killing the social security system.

Posted by: Libertine at January 22, 2015 01:36 PM (z27Ny)

770 Do any of you have Renee's twitter handle???

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 22, 2015 01:36 PM (LoIJo)

771 HODOR!!!!

Posted by: Bob's House of as long as we're posting ludicrous things at January 22, 2015 01:36 PM (vgIRn)

772 Okay guys, unzip. I'll get the tape measure.

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I win again!
Posted by: LBJ at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (VAsIq)

Are you using the millimeter side of the tape?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (W5DcG)

773 @752
I oppose abortion on religious grounds, but I am not the one who will have to answer to god.
From a fiscal standpoint, I support abortion as a way to reduce the number of people on welfare.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (5Yg+I)

774 Freedom without consequence or responsibility isn't. Abortion, free contraceptives, welfare, &c. are all way to have "freedom" without consequence or responsibility, but it will lead invariably to slavery and dependency.

If people don't have to pay a price for their mistakes, they'll keep on doing it. When they get subsidized for those mistakes, they will make more of it.

Customs, mores, and folkways that are conducive to true freedom will be abandoned, and those that are destructive of true freedom will become the new norm.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (0Ew3K)

775 I completely support banning later than 20 weeks, but I also understand that social conservatives will fuck this up and would rather they not make the new Congress first big push to be on abortion. I guarantee to you all sorts of stupid are going to come flowing out from the Akin/Mourdock wing of the party.

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Your right. Let's get back to the fiscal conservatism that the GOP is really known for.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (gmeXX)

776 "If I was "all about winning" do you think I would vote for the Constitution party>

Person 1: We should do this.

Person 2: Nah, we'll do this.

Person 1: I'mma gonna hold my breath until I get my way!

Person 1 is totally in it to win, no matter how he/she pumps their chest at the rest of us and no matter how much they play the victim due to their poor choices.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (EQcfE)

777 >>Worst case scenario- She carries the baby to term. You have to take her
out of school for a year (if she goes to Catholic school or if she cares
what people think of her at school). She has the baby. Gives it up for
adoption. Goes back to school, probably much wiser than before.
Graduates from high school. Goes on to college, a year late, and gets a
degree.

You forgot the part where said "mistake" tracks down his/her birth mom and they are reunited. I have two people close to me who have experienced this (one as the adoptee, one as the birth mom), and in both cases, it's been a surprisingly good experience. Obviously, that's not always the case, but---there's the unspoken "thank you for not aborting me."

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (ABcz/)

778 SILVER DIMES!!

Posted by: Luap Nor at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (LoIJo)

779 Sacred not scared.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 22, 2015 01:37 PM (ws1Wn)

780 I always laugh at people who try to bolster their argument about things by saying "I paid more in taxes than you made in a year....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH".Unless you're arguing about how's better able to pick up the lunch tab, who cares? What does that have to do with arguments for or against late term abortion. Moo Moo is a joke sometimes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (DXzRD)

781 I'd like to see someone lay out some aborted puppies on a table and photograph them and the mother and post that on Facebook. Wonder how many outraged Progs who support abortion would be thrown into a rage by that?

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (OZmbA)

782 This is yet another instance where I prefer Federalism over what we've got.

There's no single, best solution for this. Unrestricted abortion's been a failure. A total ban including the Morning After pill would not work.

But 50 states, legislating independently, would at least satisfy their own majorities with ill-conceived, unworkable solutions ... which would be better than this.

Provided ... of course ... that most of you could be satisfied with debating the issue in your own State, and leaving your neighboring States alone. On that, I have my doubts.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (j8aRL)

783 'It's nice for the religious of the two coincide without conflict, but religion can't be the starting point."

Really? Mmm, maybe our founding fathers should have followed that path instead of using their Judeo Christian ethics blended into Greek style forms of government to set up our government via our Constitution.

Explain to me how anyone formulates their morals and ethics without an understanding and belief in a higher power that one takes direction from in their daily life and to whom are ultimately answerable.

And how that belief can not be part of any decision or in how laws are formed?

Posted by: Jen the original at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (kF3VB)

784 I am pro life but I am to the point where I really don't care if a woman wants to murder her baby In-utero, I can't make a woman want or love her child, I just don't want to pay for it directly or indirectly and if municipalities want to ban the practice they should have the right.

We would end up at a place where it would be banned in some places and allowed in others and I'm alright with that.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (BaTpq)

785
Rep. Renee EllmersVerified account

@RepReneeEllmers

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (lsWof)

786 Thanks for catching the typo there Boss Moss

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (twMaC)

787 Republicans will start winning Presidential elections again once they stop catering to socons and their reactionary racialist theocratic views.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (5Yg+I)

788
Much more socially conservative than Ace, but I do agree. It would be nice to see a lie on the right once in a while for election on a more liberal issue and hammer home a conservative policy.

Leftists do this constantly, but the GOP lies right to left also.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (Qs8ZN)

789 Just a few weeks ago Hector was all Kill non-Catholics for Christ and now he's pro-abortion?
Posted by: The Great White Snark

I'm fickle. Deal with it.

Posted by: The magic 8-ball at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (Spluw)

790 >You want more poor on welfare?

I want there to be so many jobs, you have employers standing out in front of Home Depot randomly offering you a job when you walk in. No I don't want people on Welfare, but I think there are betters ways to address the problem then murder based on social class.

>You want more minorities you hate?

I'm a good Catholic. I rejoice in my communion with Christ with peoples of every race and ethnicity on Earth.

>Abortion reduces the number of people you hate.

How does abortion reduce the number of Doctors who perform abortion. Please clarify.

>You should support it.

Your argument is unpersuasive.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 22, 2015 01:39 PM (0q2P7)

791 I saw Tactical Decimation open for Bolt Thrower back in '92 at the Fallout Shelter.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at January 22, 2015 01:39 PM (27KAF)

792 753 If she does eventually have kids she can tell the story of how she had them, despite grandpa wanting them dead. It'll be great at bedtime.

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Think of all the money Moo saves at Christmas (or winter solstice - whatever he celebrates as an atheist).
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (gmeXX)

He doesn't celebrate holidays. And he has declared that you would be a better and happier person just like him if you didn't either.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 22, 2015 01:39 PM (71CVf)

793 I support euthanasia as a way to reduce the number of leeches on society, but I haven't killed myself yet for some reason.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:39 PM (MbqmP)

794

"Sure, on this issue, I might actually support a little Tactical Lying
on the part of the Establishment to keep abortion Safe, Legal, and Rare
(which is their actual goal here), but I do not support the broader
practice of lying about every fucking thing, such as the size of government, ObamaCare, Amnesty, and so forth."

Two big problems with that:
1.) Abortion isn't safe.The Dems have effectively barred hygiene and safety standards for clinics. Go figure, the one thing they won't regulate to hell and back is the one thing they endorse as legal for the promise of safety.
2.)It isn't rare. There have been tens of millions of abortions since Roe v. Wade.

That is 2 out of 3 talking points that are patently false.

Posted by: Ben(the original) at January 22, 2015 01:40 PM (DcG8N)

795
So the GOP smartly pissed off the 50% that vote for the GOP. Well played. A great way to win elections.

I hope you did not construe anything in my post to mean they're not complete fucking idiots.

Also backstabbers and, as the furry one says, liars.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 22, 2015 01:40 PM (JtwS4)

796 793 Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:39 PM (MbqmP)

I have sex all the time, can't figure out why the couch hasn't needed an abortion yet...

//Yector "Lazyboy" Raykon

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 01:40 PM (/4AZU)

797 noodle

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:40 PM (IXrOn)

798 To borrow from the most eloquent President in history. /sarc?

"Rep. Renee Ellmers acted stupidly."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 22, 2015 01:41 PM (twMaC)

799 @644
Most people here on this website are reactionaries and hate blacks.
Most here cheered the death of Eric Garner and the killing of that 12 year old kid.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (5Yg+I)

800 Okay guys, unzip. I'll get the tape measure.

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I win again!
Posted by: LBJ at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (VAsIq)

Are you using the millimeter side of the tape?
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http://www.badattitudes.com/Organ.html

Posted by: LBJ at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (VAsIq)

801 I do not want to pay for welfare, but I'm not in favor of killing those on it. I guess I don't have to ask how Moo feels about that. Deep down, we know the answer.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (gmeXX)

802 I make so much money that I can spend 3 or 4 hours a day copying & pasting NARAL talking points on a weblog where nobody respects me.

Posted by: Mr. Boo Boo at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (MbqmP)

803 My question is not about my or Ace's personal opinions on abortion (which seems to be almost identical, actually), but rather about identifying Elmer's lie.
Posted by: zombie at January 22, 2015 01:01 PM (K4YiS)

Ellmers supported an identical bill in 2013. Y'know, when the GOP only controlled the house and it didn't matter if a bill left the House only to die in the Senate.

Now the bill would actually reach the Senate, and suddenly she has to be the Voice For Women (TM) or something.

http://tinyurl.com/mfbhktk

Posted by: Hal at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (hmPdt)

804 I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than you grossed. So once again, do me a favor and fuck off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:26 PM (0LHZx)

Matthew 19:23 in full effect. The Christ knew exactly what He was talking about.

All Moo's wealth will avail him nothing on his deathbed...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (9LuAk)

805 760 I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 01:28 PM (0LHZx)

Why do you push buttons like this? It doesn't make sense.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2015 01:35 PM (IXrOn)

Because he is a lying dishonest pathetic ignorant troll. He's no different than hector.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (71CVf)

806 @777

My best friend was adopted. She's not met her mother, and I don't know that she ever will.

But, my understanding is that her mother had plans for her life that didn't include a baby. Ergo, adoption. Good for her.

The % of abortions that fall into rape/incest/health of baby is SO small. The rest of it falls into really selfish reasons, reasons that I cannot fathom that they would allow for abortion to be legal for.

Posted by: TickledPink at January 22, 2015 01:42 PM (TMe1n)

807 I've wrung more saltwater out of my socks than you've ever sailed over.

Posted by: Prove I haven't at January 22, 2015 01:43 PM (TPjwz)

808 @796
I have 2 kids, thank you very much.

Look I am honest in my views.
You pretend to have noble views, but in reality have worldview that would be right at home in the 3rd Reich.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy! at January 22, 2015 01:44 PM (5Yg+I)

809 755 #750 is stolen from Twitter...
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 22, 2015 01:34 PM (lsWof)

-----------------------

Hmmmm. I'm psychic then. I don't do the twit. But the logic IS obvious.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2015 01:44 PM (j0WXm)

810 @799
Most people here in my head are revolutionaries and hate blacks.
Most here in my head cheered the death of Eric Garner and the killing of that 12 year old kid.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:44 PM (MbqmP)

811 I'd like to see someone lay out some aborted puppies on a table and photograph them and the mother and post that on Facebook. Wonder how many outraged Progs who support abortion would be thrown into a rage by that?

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2015 01:38 PM (OZmbA)

I knew someone who advertized a campus even where they would abort puppies. Got all the animal rights nuts and all the rest of the usual Proggies to come out.

No puppies were actually harmed, but the obvious hypocrisy a LOL-worthy.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2015 01:45 PM (0Ew3K)

812 Your right. Let's get back to the fiscal conservatism that the GOP is really known for.

Posted by: SH

I think it's one thing to mess up on messaging when it comes to fiscal issues, it's another when you start having people on our side coming out and saying nonsense like an impregnated rape victim should be viewed as a blessing.

I would love it if we could all get on the same page about abortion and have a plank that everyone could agree on, but we don't. There's SoCons that think granting an abortion exception for rape victims is "pro-murder" a position that something like 90% of Americans would be disgusted by. To me, that's a common sense compromise, but not to them.

The people that messed this up are the strident SoCons that refused to compromise so now the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water.

Posted by: McAdams at January 22, 2015 01:45 PM (yGD7t)

813 This bitch rode the 2010 wave pretending to be a strong conservative. Once she got elected, she became Boehner's lap girl.

This bitch must be targeted and taken out in 16.

Posted by: Old Grizzled Gym Coach at January 22, 2015 01:45 PM (QBQcg)

814 Abortion is useless as a political issue. The country is split 50:50 on
it, and almost no one can be persuaded to change their minds.

Actually that's not true. Polls have moved consistently towards pro-life every year since the early 1990s. That's why the Dems are so hysterical about it, because they know its shelf life as a usable issue with the voting majority is slipping away.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2015 01:47 PM (B/VB5)

815 @812

But, on this they were willing to concede that exception. Providing that the assaulted filed some sort of report, either at the hospital or police station.

SCOAMF said no. Said that making people file that report was awful. He's splitting hairs at this point.

Posted by: TickledPink at January 22, 2015 01:47 PM (TMe1n)

816 The people that messed this up are the strident SoCons that refused to compromise so now the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water.
Posted by: McAdams

True that. We had nothing to do with it......You filthy woman hatig rethuglickkkkkkkkkkkan.

Posted by: The MFM at January 22, 2015 01:47 PM (Spluw)

817 Paraphrase of a great "societal discussion" I read recently...

Leftist Harpy: Get out of my bedroom! You don't belong here, or in my womb, or anywhere else, you dirtbag piece of filth.

Reasonable Person: Fine, I'll just take my wallet and be on my way.

Leftist Harpy: THE WALLET STAYS, BIGOT!!

Disclosure: Yeah, I'm pro-life. I make no apologies for not being on the side that thinks sacrificing 3000-babies to Molech every day is a swell thing for a society to be doing. But frankly I'd be willing to take a pass on legislating this sort of stuff away as a compromise for living in a "secular" society IF I wasn't also being told I have to pay for birth control, abortions, and generally financially supporting the lifestyles of the stupid and reckless.

Sorry kids, you want me to pay for your "lifestyle" "choices" then I get a say on how my money gets spent.

Posted by: DocJ at January 22, 2015 01:47 PM (zrsn3)

818 Most people here in my head are revolutionaries and hate blacks.
Most here in my head cheered the death of Eric Garner and the killing of that 12 year old kid.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:44 PM (MbqmP)

Voices in your head? You need to seek psychiatric help.

Coming from me, that really is something...

Posted by: Voice №17 in the Political Hat's head at January 22, 2015 01:48 PM (0Ew3K)

819 But, on this they were willing to concede that exception. Providing that the assaulted filed some sort of report, either at the hospital or police station. SCOAMF said no. Said that making people file that report was awful. He's splitting hairs at this point.
Posted by: TickledPink

let me be clear! Making women report rapes is icky.
let me be clearer: rapes are bad, and are underreported.
let me be clear: forget my other attempts at being clear.

Posted by: King Putt at January 22, 2015 01:49 PM (Spluw)

820 That means less on welfare.

Posted by: Don't worry, be Happy!

It also means fewer of all demographics, and less human productive capital, and less tax revenue.

And, as a focal [sic] conservative, overhauling welfare seems like a better idea than babykilling.

Posted by: Herr Hilter at January 22, 2015 01:49 PM (/Ho8c)

821 @808
Look I am honest in my views.
You pretend to have noble views, but in reality have worldview that would be right at home in the 3rd Reich.

I'm posting on huffingtonpost.com, right?

Posted by: Don't worry, be Stupid! at January 22, 2015 01:50 PM (MbqmP)

822 But my favorite is when some dope-and there may be conservative dopes who say this, but the only ones I've run into are leftist dopes who say it-I COULD BUY AND SELL YOU.

I didn't vote for Obama-"I COULD BUY AND SELL YOU."They say this about any number of issues. It's their final card in an inability to debate.

Really? You're a slave trader. That
s on the Democratic platform for the next election?

Risible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2015 01:50 PM (DXzRD)

823 It's a Big Club, we ain't in it - G Carlin

Posted by: ginaswo sick of being Grubered at January 22, 2015 01:50 PM (2EgyQ)

824 SCOAMF said no. Said that making people file that report was awful. He's splitting hairs at this point.

He has to protect the feminists' cherished and hard-fought-for ability to destroy some random man's life for being not as hot as they thought he was when they were drunk.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2015 01:50 PM (B/VB5)

825 The GOP may win me back if, as part of their official, published platform, they made a list of all of the laws (in detail) that they will pass and/or repeal the day - the day - that they have veto proof majorities in Congress and an R in the WH.

If they refuse to commit to using power when they have it, what good are they?

You have the ball (or 1/3 of the ball now), move it!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 22, 2015 01:51 PM (X/+QT)

826 "707
When all is said and done, though, I would prefer the Federal Government
have no role in abortion at all and leave its regulation strictly up to
the states. New York can have 10,000 Kermit Gosnell's hacking up
children all they want while Utah outlaws it entirely except for rape
and the life of the mother. And the only law would be barring the FedGov
from interfering.

I would be totes OK with that.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2015 01:29 PM (w5S6B)"

You mean the way the Constitution was written? The way the Constitution was interpreted until Justice pulled the penumbras and emanations clause out of his ass?

Yeah. That would be a good thing.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 22, 2015 01:52 PM (KDbAT)

827 True that. We had nothing to do with it......You filthy woman hatig rethuglickkkkkkkkkkkan.

Posted by: The MFM

No doubt the pro-life position is always being maligned, but you really can't blame the media for people like Akin and Mourdock. They were asked straight forward questions and they answered them.

Of course the flip side is the extremists of the pro-abortion side never get called on their idiots, but that's not going to change.

Posted by: McAdams at January 22, 2015 01:53 PM (yGD7t)

828 Hey there was a prior post where a similar 'shit list' was proposed and begun.

Best we keep track of these. Anyone got a link to it?

Posted by: geewhiz at January 22, 2015 01:54 PM (G2Sbo)

829 I mean here is the (probably future) situation:

GOP: No to abortion!

Dem: Rape! Incest! Health of the mother!

GOP: Fine, No to abortion! (except in cases of rape, incest, health of the mother, but it would be nice to have some sort of proof)

Dem: No! That's too hard on the disenfranchised and poor. They don't have transportation and stuff. It is emotionally hard for them to report it. You're making them re-live the rape again! Sick!

GOP: Fine, No to abortion (except in cases of rape, incest, health of the mother, and no you don't have to report it. We'll just trust you.)

Dem: No! That's too hard for the doctors. They will be put in the position of having to say no, and then figuring out who is telling the truth and who isn't. We don't want to put pressure on the doctors!

and so on and so forth.

Posted by: TickledPink at January 22, 2015 01:54 PM (TMe1n)

830 I was indoctrinated in progressive public schools and I'm an abject fucking moron as you can see from my comments

Posted by: Don't worry, Be Hector! at January 22, 2015 02:02 PM (PxdJM)

831 829.

I agree, but when you start trying to make the point then that women are going to just lie about being raped, you're done politically and you've made people MORE pro abortion than when you began the debate.

The way I look at it, it's like arguing about what color you want your unicorn to be. It's fantasy anyway to think that most abortion is truly going to be criminalized, with women being charged with murder if they get one. It's more about a moral stance like calling out a country that has human right violations.

For pro-lifers to get so upset about exceptions being granted and possibly abused on a policy that's never going to actually happen anyway is just self-defeating.

Posted by: McAdams at January 22, 2015 02:02 PM (yGD7t)

832 "351
My daughter was conceived by a 19 year old extended family member. She
made three different abortion appointments. I Prayed hard, harder than
I've ever prayed, and praise God, she changed her mind. Decided to
place baby with us. We were both ASTOUNDED at the 12 week u/s. My
daughter was jumping, spinning - crazy! Then, the 20 week?? Holy crap.
Sucking her thumb, playing with her cord.

20 weeks IS FAR too late for a merciful killing.

My daughter is now 8 and I'm not just saying this.

SHE IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD."

This is what the issue is REALLY about. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 02:08 PM (wT9UL)

833 "728
>Yes I care about my wallet. I also care about choice. If my daughter
were to get pregnant at 15 (knock on wood it doesn't happen), you're
damn fucking right I want her to have the choice to get rid of the baby.
I don't want her life destroyed because she acted stupidly."

Wallet > human life .... and ...
brining life into the world = 'life destroyed'

well, that sums up the majority of what's wrong in the world.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 02:11 PM (wT9UL)

834 "176
The GOP still has learned the bigger lesson. When they talk about social issues, they're on the losing side of the debate."

The GOPe lost the plot. You dance with the one that brung ya. Dissing your own base is spitting on the results of the last election.
It's like everyone in Washington up and decided to pretend the Democrats won in November.

Maddening.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 22, 2015 02:13 PM (wT9UL)

835 Anyone with any real money never alludes to their own wealth in that context. It's not just tacky as hell, it sets off warning bells in people used to dealing with self-inflating snakes and weasels. All of whom are "doing really well", and by the way, would you mind hearing about a once-in-a-lifetime investment opportunity? You've got to move fast!

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2015 02:13 PM (2cS/G)

836 ACE is just one step short of realizing the Republicans and demorats, behind closed doors, share the same politics and political methods and bed down together. One short step and you'll be there, ACE. They get it, they just don't want you or i too. Thelonger the successful deception, the further down the road they will get on re-inventing society.

Posted by: ron n. at January 22, 2015 02:15 PM (YVQn/)

837 How long will this blog bitch about the republicans? It will never change, don't you get it? Either get on board with a second party that is conservative, or give it a rest. You can't say how awful they are and then just keep supporting them and voting for them and then wonder why the fuck nothing changes.

The republican primary electorate is a fucking joke run by liberal billionaires. They give us Bush, Bush, Romney and McVain and we think somehow we can turn this party around? lol

Posted by: Dan at January 22, 2015 02:18 PM (COpZ4)

838
Sorry kids, you want me to pay for your "lifestyle" "choices" then I get a say on how my money gets spent.

Posted by: DocJ at January 22, 2015 01:47 PM (zrsn3)

Which is my biggest argument against ObamaCare.

If I'm paying for your health care (and anyone who has a job is paying for someone else's care), then I am a stakeholder.

As such, I get a voice in who you fuck, what drugs you take, how often you exercise, what and how much you eat, et al.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at January 22, 2015 02:18 PM (fwARV)

839 Now you sound like a Mean Girl.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 22, 2015 02:19 PM (QIQ6j)

840 I love it when Ace channels his inner DrewM. That way I don't have to wait for Drew to post something for me to agree with a post here at the HQ.

Posted by: gm at January 22, 2015 02:25 PM (/kBoL)

841 @94 ace

I haven't read much past your comment at 94, ace, so maybe this has already been addressed.

The reason I'm absolutist over this is the person being terminated is absolutely innocent. The person desiring the termination is absolutely responsible for the problem.

Women should and do in all normal situations have the choice whether to fuck. That is entirely within the woman's control. Her response to the entirely foreseeable consequences of that choice should not result in the death of an innocent party.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 22, 2015 02:31 PM (ptnVq)

842 Republicans lie to win the primary, Democrats lie to win the general election.

Posted by: bjk at January 22, 2015 02:33 PM (DOgiJ)

843 I am pro-life b/c I know I am an unjust "god"...

Always liked that one sven.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2015 02:34 PM (DL2i+)

844 Well it must be ok to say fuck now.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 22, 2015 02:38 PM (R8hU8)

845 Republicans have a South Carolina problem. SC brought us Lindsay Graham, Renee Elmers and John McCain. Next you know it will be Jeb Bush.

Posted by: bjk at January 22, 2015 02:40 PM (DOgiJ)

846 Women should and do in all normal situations have the choice whether to fuck. That is entirely within the woman's control. Her response to the entirely foreseeable consequences of that choice should not result in the death of an innocent party.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 22, 2015 02:31 PM (ptnVq)

Fucking A

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 22, 2015 02:40 PM (R8hU8)

847 Things being the way they are, I recommend a different solution. We use the Stalinist approach and sentence Renee Elmers to a Punishment Battalion.

This means that Renee Elmers is out in front on every potentially unpopular thing for the next year. Anything that draws media flack, her name is on it, and she makes the press conference.

If she does that, she goes back in the fold. If not, we liquidate her.

Posted by: W Krebs at January 22, 2015 02:40 PM (hJ5PO)

848 if the nation MUST move left let us go at fastest speed possible to "worker's paradise"....

I understand the sentiment. I just don't think it will work.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2015 02:41 PM (DL2i+)

849 Posted by: Shoot Me

Ok....you win......I'm totally convinced. Or bored with you? Yeah, I think bored with you......

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 02:44 PM (VG2KM)

850 This is yet another instance where I prefer Federalism over what we've got.
Posted by: ScoggDog

Waaaaaaaaaaay too late for that, but yes, that is the solution.

To bad we as a nation pissed on Federalism years ago.

Posted by: FITP at January 22, 2015 02:47 PM (VG2KM)

851 I guarantee to you all sorts of stupid are going to come flowing out from the Akin/Mourdock wing of the party.

vs. Boehner/McConnel shitting the fiscon bed before they went home for Christmas.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2015 02:51 PM (DL2i+)

852 Ellmers is severely pro-amnesty and must be one of the 10 voted out.

Posted by: Valiant at January 22, 2015 03:06 PM (4rlxS)

853 And Ellmers ran anti-amnesty ads.

Posted by: bjk at January 22, 2015 03:09 PM (DOgiJ)

854 Late to the party, so no one will likely see this, but:

The key thing about decimation was not that it was done, but *how* it was done. It wasn't the random execution of 1/10 of the legion by some outside force. The legionnaires were sectioned, with 9 being given short clubs. They were forced to beat the tenth to death - a slow and painful way to go, and pretty messy for the guys doing the beating. And the guy they were killing was their bunkmate/messmate. He wasn't some random dude from a different cohort/maniple that they knew in passing. They knew him well and had served together for quite a long time, in most instances.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 22, 2015 03:22 PM (amQXf)

855 843 Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2015 02:34 PM (DL2i+)

No one should seek a power they know they would deny their opponent.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 22, 2015 03:26 PM (/4AZU)

856 Look, The Shit List is a good and great thing. It can and will work.

But you pick godammit *abortion* as your out-of-the-gate issue?

Talk about throttling a child. You're trying to Evil Knievel the Grand Canyon on your tricycle.

Bad move.

Posted by: Kirk at January 22, 2015 03:55 PM (GBnWt)

857 Awfully, awfully late to this thread. But let me go on record for just a couple points:

1. Y-not - you and I are prolife soulmates. And I only ever got as far as freshman HS Biology.

2. Ace, you have sure changed your tune on decimation since Thad Cochran.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 22, 2015 04:05 PM (8MjqI)

858 "bjk at January 22, 2015 02:40 PM (DOgiJ)"

but I represent North Carolina....

Posted by: Backstabber Elmers at January 22, 2015 04:05 PM (RGgMp)

859 If I support prosecuting rapists within 9 months of their rape, I'm anti-woman.

Riiiiight.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 22, 2015 04:06 PM (kTWS+)

860 <i> 195
Is there *anyone* at AoSHQ who isn't?

Straight up pro-life. The only exception I can countenance is "lose the baby or lose both".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (DT3rQ) </i>
Put me in this camp, too... as horrific as rape and incest are, any resultant child is innocent and ought not have it's life snuffed out because of the parent's crime.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 22, 2015 04:09 PM (OrI3J)

861 "The people that messed this up are the strident SoCons that refused to compromise so now the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water.
Posted by: McAdams at January 22, 2015 01:45 PM (yGD7t)"

Wrong. And that's the point of this post. This is entirely due to the failures of the few hundred Congressional Republicans.

There is nothing inevitable about the 400 or so Republicans in Congress. We are not compelled to accept THESE clowns, and reconsider EVERYTHING based on the notion that it has to get past John McCain and Renee Ellmers, etc.

What if, what if we had a different 400 people in Congress? That's certainly realistic and acheivable.

There were people like you who had the same attitude towards desegregation and abolition of slavery. Your set lost then, and you will lose now too.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 22, 2015 04:15 PM (kTWS+)

862 "Put me in this camp, too... as horrific as rape and incest are, any resultant child is innocent and ought not have it's life snuffed out because of the parent's crime.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 22, 2015 04:09 PM (OrI3J"

Especially if they're gonna pretend that the "rape exception" must exclude actually reporting any kind of crime.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 22, 2015 04:16 PM (kTWS+)

863 ". And we'll keep losing elections for the next 10 presidential elections. YEAY!!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2015 12:57 PM (0LHZx)"

What do you mean "we"?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 22, 2015 04:19 PM (kTWS+)

864 I resolved to quit lying to myself this year. Our society is more dysfunctional than government. And you were expecting something different?

Posted by: Not the moma at January 22, 2015 05:20 PM (U1xQZ)

865 Pro-life is the defining issue of the GOP and conservatism. Being pro-abortion means one is 95%+ likely to be a Democrat and a liberal.

On the other hand, immigration is a matter of dispute within the party and even among conservatives.

I expect the posters here to cast Ace into the abyss to join the proven pro-life but immigration squish Jeb Bush. No?

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at January 22, 2015 06:17 PM (t3cNy)

866 "There is another body involved."
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2015 12:54 PM (HBAcW)

Moo has had that pointed out to him any number of times. He simply ignores that - like the Left, he ignores what does not fit his Narrative.

I'm coming around to an earlier poster's POV (Kindey Ardal?): if we have a country filled with Moos Moos then we're rotten and deserve to die as a nation.

A country filled with moral zeroes who don't give a shit for anything beyond their own selfish pleasures and their own bank accounts will end up losing those things. When Moo is no longer able to labor for the welfare state, he'll be put down like a sick dog and well, them's the breaks, old boy. You're not useful anymore, you're not wanted, the state has squeezed everything of you it can- so time to die, geezer. The ironic thing is that the selfish libertines will not grasp their own part in creating such a world.

The Gods of the Copybook Headings will have their final say...

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 22, 2015 08:37 PM (+XMAD)

867 835 Anyone with any real money never alludes to their own wealth in that context.

Yes, it's very tacky. You expected class from Moo?

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 22, 2015 08:41 PM (+XMAD)

868 You are wrong about safe, legal and rare. They want that for their daughters, hope they don't get pregnant, but if they do, want it safe and legal.
For inner city blacks, they don't give a shit about safe, legal or rare. Kermit Gosnell was a psycho killer and should have been publicly humiliated by anyone believing in safe legal rare. He wasn't because inner city blacks don't matter to "Most of the GOP establishment -- the elected officials, the shadow
government of consultants and "think tank" people and so on -- has spent
the great majority of its adult life in Progressive Dominated Social
Circles"

Prolife means caring about ghetto babies.

Posted by: ubik at January 22, 2015 09:31 PM (lCc6O)

869 94
>>> "Safe, Legal, and Rare"

If you're pro-abortion,as you say, why should it be rare?

...

I think war and execution shoujld be rare too.

You know, you can stuff this silly Absolutism that
you guys trot out for ONLY THIS ONE SINGLE ISSUE. every other issue of
life and death you are willing to employ a circumstantial analysis, but
on this ONE issue, you trot out an artificial absolutism and begin
accusing anyone who doenn't subscribe to your artificial absolutism of
being PRO MURDER.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2015 12:02 PM (E+pqw)
......

Um, maybe because BABIES are ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS innocent and the people we sentence to death are not and the people we go to war with are not?
Honestly, I didn't know you were pro-abortion... I figured that you apply science enough to know global warming is a hoax and that you'd apply it equally to life in the womb. This isn't about religion or morality here, just simply that science has shown that babies in the womb are just that: babies. Innocent freakin' babies.
Between this and finding out that you are ok with cheating in sports so long as one is not caught has kinda shifted my view here...

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 22, 2015 09:41 PM (rldyO)

870 192
Abortion: never has motivated any personal behavior or political
behavior, ever, in my case (may be first time I've even typed the word
on a blog comment - that's how much it's never been part of my world).
However .... as a logic machine more than a human, the "pro choice"
thing (kudos to Blue Hen above for a similar point) has always been an
embarrassingly transparent fallacious dodge.

So, speaking of being honest, it might be best not to pretend to
believe in the histrionic and obvious logical fallacy that it's a
question of "choice" - it's not, it's a question of defining the
beginning of life. That definition may, reasonably, end up leaving a
window for abortion. But it's not about "choice" or individual liberty,
it's about defining beginning of life, since obviously nobody would
pretend to believe that taking life (outside of war and self-defense and
law enforcement) falls in the zone of individual liberty or choice.

(leaves topic forever, returns to main point of ace's post, a
critical one, the disappearance of a true opposition non-statist party
in the US)

Posted by: rhomboid at January 22, 2015 12:15 PM (afQnV)

Yes. This. Logic and science. What do they teach them at these schools?

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Posted by: Tina at January 23, 2015 08:02 AM (X3avc)

872 Dear Ace ~ How much would you charge to move to NC, and primary this backstabbing twat?

Posted by: Ace, Save Us! at January 23, 2015 11:33 AM (Coq5J)

873 "You know, you can stuff this silly Absolutism"

So when do you approve of racial discrimination? Or are you a silly absolutist?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 23, 2015 12:06 PM (kTWS+)

874 "This isn't about religion or morality here, just simply that science has shown that babies in the womb are just that: babies. Innocent freakin' babies."

And from Day One, according to DNA.

The 'moderates' can let me know when we can induce abortions in annoying endangered species like kangaroo rats, and get away with it, on the argument that unborn k rats are really potential endangered species and don't yet enjoy the same protections as a k rat.

"artificial absolutism"

Any coherent and uniform system is artificial. The idea that I will not park across your driveway because I owe you a duty to incovenience myself by parking legally further away from my destination is artificial absolutism.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 23, 2015 12:23 PM (kTWS+)

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