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Public Sector Unions: An Idea Whose Time Has Passed [CBD]

Government against Itself: Public Union Power and Its Consequences by Daniel Disalvo is a book that actually takes sides. And the warmth in the cockles of your small black heart as you read the next sentence will tell you which side it takes. From the Wall Street Journal review of the book: "Trash disposal in Chicago costs $231 per ton, versus $74 in non-union Dallas."

It's simple, really. There are no adversaries in government union contract negotiations. Everything else is details.

There is something grotesque about public workers fighting for benefits whose provision will hurt the public. Citizens who vote Democratic may choose not to acknowledge the perversity out of party loyalty. But over the years a few well-known Democrats have sided against the public-sector unions. "The process of collective bargaining as usually understood cannot be transplanted into the public service," a Democratic politician once declared. His name? Franklin Roosevelt.

The power that public unions have accrued is startling. New York City's feckless and buffoonish mayor recently made a series of idiotic statements in support of the bad guys and critical of the cops. So who does the union go after? The people of the City of New York! Blue flu is not some arcane and complex negotiating technique; it hurts real people. Not upholding the law means not doing the job one is paid to do. In a sane world they would be suspended or fired. I would have been in every job I have ever held!

Perhaps the police union could have announced support for a "law and order" candidate in the next mayoral election, and lobbied their fellow union members in the FDNY etc. to support someone other than De Blasio. Instead they pitched a hissy-fit that hurt the people they claim to protect.

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1 Fuck all unions

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 17, 2015 10:25 AM (R8hU8)

2 Is this clock right?

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:25 AM (wlDny)

3 Racist!

Posted by: Warren 4 Great Chief at January 17, 2015 10:26 AM (MbqmP)

4 Public service unions used to be illegal. They need to be back that way.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:27 AM (wlDny)

5 Union only support the leaders of union, Democrats, and the worst performers.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 17, 2015 10:28 AM (u82oZ)

6 That's a nice web blog you got there. Shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Some guy named Dominic at January 17, 2015 10:28 AM (XzRw1)

7 No.

A clown like Mayor McStalin hides behind enforcing the law for the good of the people.

The Blue Flu ultimately helps the people by starving the city of money.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:30 AM (MQEz6)

8 Mostly the cops are revenue collectors.

Posted by: steevy at January 17, 2015 10:30 AM (v5UtH)

9 How exactly does one go about de-certifying (if that's the right word) a public sector union?

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at January 17, 2015 10:31 AM (xdMK5)

10 Government labor negotiations are two parties arguing over how much of your money to give themselves.

Posted by: Squirrel at January 17, 2015 10:32 AM (Ixqnq)

11 We have John, I fuck teenage interns, Kennedy to thank for government unions. He approved them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:33 AM (0FSuD)

12 9
How exactly does one go about de-certifying (if that's the right word) a public sector union?

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at January 17, 2015 10:31 AM (xdMK5)

50% of the members must vote to eliminate it but be prepared for a long uphill fight in the courts. The unions don't like to lose.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:33 AM (wlDny)

13 Hell, even fcuking *FDR* was opposed to public sector unions. That's all you need to know.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2015 10:33 AM (sdi6R)

14 9 DC

Issue an Executive Order banning unions in the Federal government, silly.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 17, 2015 10:34 AM (u82oZ)

15 11
We have John, I fuck teenage interns, Kennedy to thank for government unions. He approved them.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:33 AM (0FSuD)

He initially brought them in but when somebody informed him that he did not have the power to do that LBJ rammed it through congress.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (wlDny)

16 Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 17, 2015 10:25 AM (R8hU
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:33 AM (0FSuD)


Ace has asked that we not use "fcuk" unless absolutely necessary.

Please respect his wishes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (Zu3d9)

17 Every state needs to follow Wisconsin's lead. Don't make the union illegal outright but refuse to collect dues out of the paychecks.

Alternatively states with citizen referendums could write a sneaky bill to outlaw political and PAC contributions from any funds collected as mandatory dues for an organization with a different primary purpose or from any funds automatically withheld from a paycheck. If worded correctly a large # of LIVs would think they were blocking those eeevilll corporations from dinging wages to fund PAC ads.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (7w/kf)

18 9 How exactly does one go about de-certifying (if that's the right word) a public sector union?
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at January 17, 2015 10:31 AM (xdMK5)


As far as I'm concerned, at the federal level it can be done with an executive order. That's how JFK allowed them in the first place.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (sdi6R)

19 Perhaps this is a better thread for discussion of the impact of a high government employee voting population on the Northern Virginia, Southern Maryland political and fiscal landscape?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (enGVd)

20 Perhaps the blue flu is the kick in the ass that blue state voters need to start actually thinking about the people and parties for whom they vote. We can always hope.

Posted by: pep at January 17, 2015 10:36 AM (4nR9/)

21 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (enGVd)

It's essentially the same issue. Just one more reason to shrink the size of government!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:37 AM (Zu3d9)

22 The NYPD thing is a mixed bag.


When you have a mayor that says tells his Black son to be afraid of cops, I think you have crossed the line.


If the cops had not responded to that, what would they respond too?



They have been working without a contract since 2010. The mayor was happy to give the Teacher's union members RETROACTIVE pay raises.



The cops? Nope.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:37 AM (0FSuD)

23 Posted by: PaleRider at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (7w/kf)

Yes, starve the beast of money, especially automatically acquired money.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:37 AM (MQEz6)

24 19
Perhaps this is a better thread for discussion of the impact of a high
government employee voting population on the Northern Virginia, Southern
Maryland political and fiscal landscape?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (enGVd)



[I don't take polite requests seriously, so my comment is being edited.]

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:38 AM (0FSuD)

25 Please respect his wishes.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (Zu3d9)

The Prophet Ace has spoken and so it is written.
Sorry.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:40 AM (0FSuD)

26 Blue flu is not some arcane and complex negotiating technique; it hurts real people. Not upholding the law means not doing the job one is paid to do

>>> Really? Because it seems that the blue flu actually just stops revenue-generating activities. Which suits me just fine.

Posted by: trump at January 17, 2015 10:41 AM (FbbJc)

27 >>>Hell, even fcuking *FDR* was opposed to public sector unions. That's all you need to know.<<<

Even FDR knew you never go full retard.

Posted by: Fritz at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (UzPAd)

28 Posted by: trump at January 17, 2015 10:41 AM (FbbJc)

Misdemeanor arrests were way, way down. Those aren't revenue generating, they are crime preventing if you believe Wilson's "Broken Window" theory...which I do.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (Zu3d9)

29 >>Is this clock right?

We're off by 10 minutes now. lol

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (9BRsg)

30 Well, if the correct spelling is forbidden, can we still jumble the four letters, starting with "f" and use that?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (NZ+zd)

31 29
>>Is this clock right?



We're off by 10 minutes now. lol

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (9BRsg)

It's Australian time. Pixy lives over there. He also speaks Australian.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:44 AM (0FSuD)

32 "Trash disposal in Chicago costs $231 per ton, versus $74 in non-union Dallas."

Of course, one reason that is true is that non-union Dallas trash collection benefits from cheaper illegal immigrant labor.

Posted by: SDN at January 17, 2015 10:44 AM (Ao5fh)

33 Posted by: rickl: As far as I'm concerned, at the federal level it can be done with an executive order. That's how JFK allowed them in the first place.

I gather it would require cahones of galactic proportions for a republican presidential hopeful to suggest such an EO.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at January 17, 2015 10:44 AM (xdMK5)

34 The main purpose of government unions is NOT collective bargaining. It is the day to day protection of poorly performing employees.

Which is why you cannot fire government employees, and the government feels the need to continue to hire more and more people to do jobs that aren't getting done by the slugs who never leave the payrolls.

Hence... our current mammoth sized bureaucracy, that constantly feeds itself more and more and more of our money.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 17, 2015 10:45 AM (Dj0WE)

35 It's Australian time. Pixy lives over there. He also speaks Australian.
---

True fact: There are no Ls in the Austrian language.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 10:45 AM (9BRsg)

36 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (NZ+zd)

FCUK YES!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:45 AM (Zu3d9)

37 It's not possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. Unions get what they deserve. People who vote for union backing politicians get what they deserve. People who don't vote for that get it anyway. That's the problem...

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 17, 2015 10:45 AM (GJUgF)

38 Misdemeanor arrests were way, way down. Those aren't revenue generating, they are crime preventing if you believe Wilson's "Broken Window" theory...which I do

>>>> I'll be honest with you, the places that really impacts are the neighborhoods with the people who rail against broken windows policing in the first place. So why would I give a flying sh*yte about them?

Posted by: trump at January 17, 2015 10:45 AM (FbbJc)

39 Of course, one reason that is true is that non-union Dallas trash collection benefits from cheaper illegal immigrant labor.


Posted by: SDN at January 17, 2015 10:44 AM
------
Si, se puede!

Posted by: Jeb at January 17, 2015 10:47 AM (24Aqk)

40 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (NZ+zd)

Apparently there are bots that count the number of times the word is used and report back to the advertisers. Obviously it is not in Ace's best interest to allow unfettered use. It's not a ban, it's a request that we use it only when necessary.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:47 AM (Zu3d9)

41 28 Posted by: trump at January 17, 2015 10:41 AM (FbbJc)

Misdemeanor arrests were way, way down. Those aren't revenue generating, they are crime preventing if you believe Wilson's "Broken Window" theory...which I do.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (Zu3d9)

The center does not hold.

Things often get worse before they get better.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:47 AM (MQEz6)

42 I pointed out a week or so ago that NYPD fines are really not big income for the city. They were about $570 mill last year.



NYC budget? $17 BILLION.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:48 AM (0FSuD)

43 40 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:42 AM (NZ+zd)

Apparently there are bots that count the number of times the word is used and report back to the advertisers. Obviously it is not in Ace's best interest to allow unfettered use. It's not a ban, it's a request that we use it only when necessary.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:47 AM (Zu3d9)

How about "frak" from BSG?

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:48 AM (MQEz6)

44 42 I pointed out a week or so ago that NYPD fines are really not big income for the city. They were about $570 mill last year.



NYC budget? $17 BILLION.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 10:48 AM (0FSuD)

We shall see.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:50 AM (MQEz6)

45 It would be interesting to do a comparison between percentage of voting population being Government Employees, and the fiscal health of the community, from Micro to macro.

For example, the Northern Va/Southern Md area in my opinion has a hugely disproportional population of Government Employees. And yes, I keep going back to it, because it's one of the few places I can speak of from personal experience.

So, as a voting tax payer, one wishes for fiscal responsibility from our various levels of Government.
But, when your families personal level of income is directly proportional to the largess of your employer, which emotion overrides the other, smaller Government vs bigger pay check?

In some ways, it's like the Welfare discussion, except that you have something to keep you occupied during normal working hours, instead of sitting at home, watching Oprah.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:51 AM (NZ+zd)

46 It's NYC. I really don't give a shit.

Posted by: Soona at January 17, 2015 10:51 AM (dO8Fp)

47 I gather it would require cahones of galactic proportions for a republican presidential hopeful to suggest such an EO.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter



**cough**

Posted by: Scott "The Unibrowed Hammer" Walker at January 17, 2015 10:51 AM (4nR9/)

48 Perhaps the police union could have announced support for a "law and
order" candidate in the next mayoral election, and lobbied their fellow
union members in the FDNY etc. to support someone other than De Blasio.
Instead they pitched a hissy-fit that hurt the people they claim to
protect.


... stop taking sides here. This is a two-way hissy-fit that engenders nothing but popcorn popping.

Posted by: Ralph Lauren at January 17, 2015 10:51 AM (e8kgV)

49 37
People who vote for union backing politicians get what they deserve. People who don't vote for that get it anyway. That's the problem...

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 17, 2015 10:45 AM (GJUgF)



Or as I like to say, "those who do remember history are doomed to repeat it anyway, because those who don't are in the majority".

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2015 10:52 AM (sdi6R)

50 I saw Hissy Fit open for Police Union in Boston in '85.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:53 AM (MQEz6)

51 So, I guess that it's ok to say Fcuk when commenting on the gum threads?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:53 AM (NZ+zd)

52 34: The thing is the government has to jump through extra hoops to fire slugs even w/o a union. They really really don't need union protection.

Police is the one area where they might need a union (to protect a cop who arrests the politicians kin) but dues should be paid by members own arrangements not pre-collected from paychecks and it should be illegal to use dues to fund any kind of PAC activity. They should have to collect for any PACS separately from union dues.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 17, 2015 10:53 AM (7w/kf)

53 You can't kill the public sector unions with an executive order just like JFK could not create them with an executive order. It took a vote by congress and they will NEVER rescind that vote.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:53 AM (wlDny)

54 NYPD is still going after real criminals and real crime. They have stopped writing the bullshit tickets that do nothing but bring in revenue to the city. A welcome reprieve.

Posted by: real joe at January 17, 2015 10:53 AM (AiCcO)

55 40
Apparently there are bots that count the number of times the word is used and report back to the advertisers. Obviously it is not in Ace's best interest to allow unfettered use. It's not a ban, it's a request that we use it only when necessary.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 10:47 AM (Zu3d9)



Over the last six years, it often *is* necessary.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2015 10:54 AM (sdi6R)

56 What so many on Capitol Hill don't realize is that by letting the EO and EM directives stand, they are undermining any future court pleadings when the shoe is on the other foot.

Posted by: George McGovern at January 17, 2015 10:54 AM (e8kgV)

57 I was on about this this morning in the first thread CBD....

we are a nation ran by PEUs for PEUs and subject to whim of PEUs....

the "civil service" will never undo Ogabe's overreaches.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 17, 2015 10:54 AM (/4AZU)

58 53 You can't kill the public sector unions with an executive order just like JFK could not create them with an executive order. It took a vote by congress and they will NEVER rescind that vote.
Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:53 AM (wlDny)

Yup.

It's poop all the way down and all the way up.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 10:55 AM (MQEz6)

59 Unions would have died off long ago if the liberal Federal Gov. was not protecting them. The Feds are perverting Darwin's Principals.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2015 10:56 AM (Zmw74)

60 19 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:35 AM (enGVd)

District One you mean?

Yeah the bitch author thought she was castigating the GOP with the Hunger Games...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 17, 2015 10:56 AM (/4AZU)

61 45 -

And it's really not just government employee unions. Significant portions of the jobs being done by construction companies, and other union heavy businesses are being done by government contract.

For all intents and purposes, some of these companies ARE government employees, doing their shovel-ready jobs in perpetuity, because as soon as you get done with THIS federal worksite, there's another one waiting for you.


Posted by: BurtTC at January 17, 2015 10:57 AM (Dj0WE)

62 38 Misdemeanor arrests were way, way down.

Misdemeanor arrests like . . . for selling single cigarettes. I would completely back the cops on never, never arresting someone for that again, seeing as how the cops paid bigtime for having followed the law, there. If shopkeepers and the mayor and the public want to get loud about how they want the cops to do that, o.k., but where's that support, now?

Posted by: m at January 17, 2015 10:58 AM (rn/hC)

63 For all intents and purposes, some of these
companies ARE government employees, doing their shovel-ready jobs in
perpetuity, because as soon as you get done with THIS federal worksite,
there's another one waiting for you.




Posted by: BurtTC at January 17, 2015 10:57 AM (Dj0WE)

And sometimes the company name changes but the employees remain the same.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 10:59 AM (wlDny)

64 "And it's really not just government employee unions. Significant portions of the jobs being done by construction companies, and other union heavy businesses are being done by government contract."

Excellent point, which I completely overlooked.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 10:59 AM (NZ+zd)

65 Lets say you are a State employee. Lets say you hate your union. Maybe the person in charge is a jerk, or a thief. How do you respond? In a sane world you could form another union, if there were other like minded union members. Not in Montana. The union managed to get the legislature to put into law that the current union representing the employees is the only one the state will ever negotiate with. Since we are not a Right to Work state, you are forced to join, forced to pay dues, and have no recourse when you disagree with the leadership. It's kind of a microcosm of life in the US under Obama.

Posted by: fairweatherbill hates fingernails on the chalkboard at January 17, 2015 10:59 AM (ljIUb)

66 Closed-shop unions are unconstitutional.

They violate both the first and thirteenth amendments.

The only people who can't see that are "Constitutional scholars".

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2015 11:00 AM (b4b5c)

67 seeing as how the cops paid bigtime for having
followed the law, there. If shopkeepers and the mayor and the public
want to get loud about how they want the cops to do that, o.k., but
where's that support, now?

Posted by: m at January 17, 2015 10:58 AM (rn/hC)

The pols will never give up the cigarette tax and that was what that was all about.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 11:00 AM (wlDny)

68 This is a two-way hissy-fit that engenders nothing but popcorn popping.

Posted by: Ralph Lauren at January 17, 2015 10:51 AM (e8kgV)

I live 15 miles from NYC. It is in my best interest for the city to run as well as possible, and be as safe as possible.

But....if the cops grow up a bit and start going after De Blasio politically, I will pop the popcorn for you, and add bacon bits.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:01 AM (Zu3d9)

69 #28 Misdemeanor arrests were way, way down. Those aren't revenue generating,
they are crime preventing if you believe Wilson's "Broken Window"
theory...which I do.

But DiBlasio the cops ultimate boss calls it racism and punishes them for it. So why should they not follow his true beliefs and not make these arrests?

Posted by: Spad13 at January 17, 2015 11:01 AM (VQ2No)

70 All that stuff you read in My Weekly Reader back in the sixties, about the government and our form of government?

Forget it, not a word of it true.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 17, 2015 11:01 AM (l3vZN)

71 6 That's a nice web blog you got there. Shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Some guy named Dominic at January 17, 2015 10:28 AM (XzRw1)


spit cawfee all over laptop.

Posted by: Some guy named Guido in witness protection at January 17, 2015 11:02 AM (klaU/)

72 Actually Vic, you are wrong. JFK did it with an executive order.




http://tinyurl.com/kl5kz3f

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:02 AM (0FSuD)

73 Poor editing job there on my post, but you get the idea.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 17, 2015 11:02 AM (l3vZN)

74 "But....if the cops grow up a bit and start going after De Blasio politically, I will pop the popcorn for you, and add bacon bits."

Imagine the fun, if there is a huge uptick in speeding and parking violations being written.

But then somebody notices that every citation is to a vehicle with government license plates.

Win/win

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 11:03 AM (NZ+zd)

75 72
Actually Vic, you are wrong. JFK did it with an executive order.




http://tinyurl.com/kl5kz3f


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:02 AM (0FSuD)

The initial order was an XO but it was pointed out he could not do it that way, so congress passed legislation as a followup.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 11:03 AM (wlDny)

76 "District One you mean?"

Yeah, it's charming to think that "smaller government" would have any traction here in the swampland on the Potowmack.

Not.Going.to.Happen.Ever.

Chuckled a bit to myself while walking the pooches earlier this AM - neighbors, both of whom are upper level GS (combined income ~ $250K) and Duke grads (fun tales about their support for the 88...), live in house worth, well, more than most - have a new "We Are The 99%" sticker on their new Acura.

Posted by: anon a mouse at January 17, 2015 11:04 AM (/jpU8)

77 It's not possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

----

Hey!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 17, 2015 11:04 AM (VAsIq)

78 >>>Imagine the fun, if there is a huge uptick in speeding and parking violations being written.

And it SHOULD be fun. Too much un-fun in the NYPD these days.

Posted by: m at January 17, 2015 11:05 AM (rn/hC)

79 But Teachers' Unions are kind and benevolent and only have our kids' best interests at heart.

Posted by: I Don't Mean a Word of This Post at January 17, 2015 11:06 AM (VAsIq)

80 Posted by: BurtTC at January 17, 2015 10:57 AM (Dj0WE)

Excellent point.

Oh, and try to build a building in NYC or any big city using non-union labor.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:06 AM (Zu3d9)

81 You can't kill the public sector unions with an executive order just like JFK could not create them with an executive order. It took a vote by congress and they will NEVER rescind that vote.
Posted by: Vic


Just wait until they unionize the military. It's already the case in some NATO countries. It's coming here.

That's the next fight to get ready for.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after 5 pm at January 17, 2015 11:06 AM (+1T7c)

82 Air Controllers -"We're going on strike!"

Reagan - "Oh? Here, let me hold the door for you."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2015 11:07 AM (l1zOH)

83 Oh, and try to build a building in NYC or any big city using non-union labor.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Or a federal project... I give you the Davis-Bacon Act.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 17, 2015 11:08 AM (l3vZN)

84 Oh, and try to build a building in NYC or any big city using non-union labor.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Prevailing wage is the terminology used for pay scale in government bid jobs, which is also extended to private jobs where the government can have any influence.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....in the bleak midwinter at January 17, 2015 11:08 AM (+1T7c)

85 "true is that non-union Dallas trash collection benefits from cheaper illegal immigrant labor."

Hmm. Want to know how I know you don't have a clue?

Posted by: anon a mouse at January 17, 2015 11:09 AM (/jpU8)

86 Like I said at the time, in what frigging universe is not writing as many traffic and parking tickets "hurting the public?" The public hates that and it doesnt meaningfully contribute to public safety. Such penalties exist primarily as a revenue measure; stealth taxes. Never got an answer then, won't get one now.

Kind of like how no one can explain to me how a mandate to buy a product at above market rates you might not need or even want could possibly be described as an "entitlement."

Posted by: Df82 at January 17, 2015 11:09 AM (SQc+G)

87 Reagan - "Oh? Here, let me hold the door for you."




Is it "erection lasting longer then four hours" where you seek medical help?

Cause I can quit reading that sentence at the three hour mark, and be good to go.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 11:09 AM (NZ+zd)

88 "We Are The 99%" sticker on their new Acura.
Posted by: anon a mouse
-----------------

I see that shit all of the time. Large, pricey, import SUV's with various Left/Lib tripe on the bumpers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2015 11:11 AM (l1zOH)

89 It's in our government contract, if you raise the Minimum Wage, our wages automatically go up too.

Posted by: Protestors at any fast food joint at January 17, 2015 11:11 AM (NZ+zd)

90

ot
the Euro union is getting hammered.

been reading a bit more about this currency untethering of the Swiss Franc from the Euro

read this little tidbit - yikes

Bloomberg notes that 46% of all Polish home loans are in Swiss francs -- not the plunging Polish zloty. So, in one brutal market move, many Polish homeowners can no longer pay their loans. ibd/editorials

what a nightmare

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2015 11:12 AM (IXrOn)

91 @75

I don't believe so, but if you can find a link to a law, I'll go with it.



Here is wiki on the order and in does not mention any follow up legislation.



http://tinyurl.com/ku3ela4

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:12 AM (0FSuD)

92 Reagan - "Oh? Here, let me hold the door for you."

Our county used to be loaded with those guys; running print shops, tire shops and such. Customer service delivered with a chip on their shoulder. Don't miss them at all.

The bad news is that the reincarnation of PATCO is alive and well and more powerful than ever.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 17, 2015 11:13 AM (l3vZN)

93 ot 2

Then there are currency traders. With hedging margins as low as 2% of the amount invested, some investors were wiped out overnight. Some currency trading firms have also suffered catastrophic losses.

this smells of soros
wiping out competition

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2015 11:13 AM (IXrOn)

94 84
Oh, and try to build a building in NYC or any big city using non-union labor.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Been to Houston lately?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:14 AM (0FSuD)

95 Posted by: anon a mouse at January 17, 2015 11:09 AM (/jpU

Yeah....that was immediately in the running for dumbest comment of the day.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:14 AM (Zu3d9)

96 Been to Houston lately?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:14 AM (0FSuD)

Ah....correction. Any Blue state big city.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:15 AM (Zu3d9)

97 I suggest a EO banning unions at the federal level

Posted by: George McGovern at January 17, 2015 11:15 AM (e8kgV)

98 "Oh, and try to build a building in NYC or any big city using non-union labor.
"

Hell, try to cast a play without union actors. Oh wait, you can't.

Posted by: Lauren at January 17, 2015 11:16 AM (MYCIw)

99 O/T

A palate cleaner. Blue on Blue fight. More popcorn please.




http://tinyurl.com/q58gjdf

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:16 AM (0FSuD)

100 Reagan - "Oh? Here, let me hold the door for you."


Fully support what President Reagan did, but it just so happens I was stuck at the Airport in Athens Greece because of that for about 12 hours. It was like Terrorist Central. I think they even had a special gun and bomb check there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2015 11:16 AM (Zmw74)

101 "We Are The 99%" sticker on their new Acura.
Posted by: anon a mouse
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I see that shit all of the time. Large, pricey, import SUV's with various Left/Lib tripe on the bumpers.

---------------

I often get stuck behind an upscale 2013 SUV with a "United States of Greed" window decal on my way to work. Really pisses me off. I just want ask the owner so many questions about America's greed vs his own.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 17, 2015 11:17 AM (VAsIq)

102 The public unions in CA have a chokehold on electoral politics because Jerry Brown signed into law the "fair share" law in Term 1. So people like me, non-members had to pay $40 a month while the members paid $41. We still refused and filed a lawsuit. The union admitted under oath that 80% of the "dues" went to political campaigns, 90% of them Dems.

So that's the scam: the middle class taxpayers are funding their own destruction.

Posted by: PJ at January 17, 2015 11:18 AM (cHuNI)

103 Below is a link to an story about how Siemens has built a huge generator that is being shipped to the Congo to be used on an oil drilling platform.

What makes it a cool story is that it was built in Mt.Vernon, Ohio which is a tiny town in Central Ohio surrounded by Amish farmland.

We do still make things , incredible things , in this country. And we still have the know how and desire to build it and move it.

Be sure and watch the video of this behemoth on it's way to the Ohio River, where it will go on a barge to Houston and then a cargo ship to South Korea for final assembly.

http://tinyurl.com/nuxoqr4

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2015 11:18 AM (kF3VB)

104 68 This is a two-way hissy-fit that engenders nothing but popcorn popping.

Posted by: Ralph Lauren at January 17, 2015 10:51 AM (e8kgV)

I live 15 miles from NYC. It is in my best interest for the city to run as well as possible, and be as safe as possible.

But....if the cops grow up a bit and start going after De Blasio politically, I will pop the popcorn for you, and add bacon bits.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:01 AM (Zu3d9)

There going after him politically.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 11:19 AM (MQEz6)

105 A palate cleaner. Blue on Blue fight. More popcorn please.

http://tinyurl.com/q58gjdf
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:16 AM (0FSuD)


this goes to the deep depths of the hideousness of the Democrats

like feral animals fighting over a spec of meat

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2015 11:19 AM (IXrOn)

106 They are, not there.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 11:19 AM (MQEz6)

107 Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 11:03 AM (wlDny)

As far as I know Robert Wagner started that crap in NYC in the 1950s.

And here is a government entity I have never heard of!

http://www.flra.gov/50th_Anniversary_EO10988

Federal Lbor Relations Authority.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:19 AM (Zu3d9)

108 There going after him politically.

Posted by: eman at January 17, 2015 11:19 AM (MQEz6)

If it lasts for a few years, then De Blasio is going to have a very tough time getting reelected.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:21 AM (Zu3d9)

109 "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury"

Posted by: Words never said by a Union Boss at January 17, 2015 11:22 AM (NZ+zd)

110 I live 15 miles from NYC. It is in my best interest for the city to run as well as possible, and be as safe as possible.
---

The health of the country's biggest business city is everyone's concern, frankly.

Look at the damage the far-kin Occupy Wall Street movement did. It spread like a cancer.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 11:22 AM (9BRsg)

111 If it lasts for a few years, then De Blasio is going to have a very tough time getting reelected.

--------------

My guess:

He'll just offer a sop to the police unions in a couple of months and soon the cops (officially) will be his biggest boosters. (Privately the cops will, of course, still despise him, but de Blasio will still win reelection.)

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 17, 2015 11:23 AM (VAsIq)

112 Be sure and watch the video of this behemoth on it's way to the Ohio River, where it will go on a barge to Houston and then a cargo ship to South Korea for final assembly.

http://tinyurl.com/nuxoqr4
Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2015 11:18 AM (kF3VB)


nice quote in the piece

"Its unreal, just unreal," said Reuben Weaver, an Amish man from Danville who made the trip to Mount Vernon just to watch. "It's something to see, by golly."

cute

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2015 11:24 AM (IXrOn)

113 Maybe time for another look at some of my older movies?

Posted by: Zombie Charles Bronson at January 17, 2015 11:24 AM (NZ+zd)

114 If it lasts for a few years, then De Blasio is going to have a very tough time getting reelected.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

It will undoubtedly be ugly. However, De Blasio is in the process of "fundamentally changing" New York City. What he is doing will have consequences; he is chasing out the Middle Class, and also will be chasing out the 50-100K of the wealthiest that pay the heavy taxes that make NYC possible.

What remains will be reliably class conscious and Marxist.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....in the bleak midwinter at January 17, 2015 11:25 AM (+1T7c)

115 "true is that non-union Dallas trash collection benefits from cheaper illegal immigrant labor."


Hmm. Want to know how I know you don't have a clue?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 17, 2015 11:09 AM (/jpU


anon a mouse, don't knock it, he has shown the Unions are actually anti-amnesty

Posted by: Kindltot at January 17, 2015 11:25 AM (t//F+)

116 Look at the damage the far-kin Occupy Wall Street movement did. It spread like a cancer.

-------------------

What we need is medicine that just cures cancer.

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at January 17, 2015 11:25 AM (VAsIq)

117 107 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 17, 2015 11:19 AM (Zu3d9)


Note that congress passed the Federal Labor Relations Act for that.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 11:25 AM (wlDny)

118 Weird Dave NOOD

Posted by: Zombie Charles Bronson at January 17, 2015 11:26 AM (NZ+zd)

119 @111

I think that's a good take on the deal. DB will be mayor for long time. Expect most of Wall St to move to NJ or CT. I believe almost half of NYC tax base comes from Wall St and he is trying his damn-est to kill them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 17, 2015 11:26 AM (0FSuD)

120 nood

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2015 11:27 AM (wlDny)

121 He'll just offer a sop to the police unions in a couple of months and soon the cops (officially) will be his biggest boosters. (Privately the cops will, of course, still despise him, but de Blasio will still win reelection.)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson


Over time, De Blasio and his followers in NYC government will identify and purge the NYC Police of the 'troublesome' elements. This has been done so many times in history, and people never seem to learn from it or recognize what is happening.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....in the bleak midwinter at January 17, 2015 11:28 AM (+1T7c)

122 Apparently there are bots that count the number of times the word is used and report back to the advertisers.
Are they called "f#ckbots"? Because I always imagined a f#ckbot would be something a little different and first made in Japan.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 17, 2015 11:28 AM (L6/+u)

123 So has any of this horrible NYC crime crap spilled over into your community, CBD?

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 11:31 AM (9BRsg)

124 What remains will be reliably class conscious and Marxist.

NYC was that way before. It's kind of amazing to watch TV and movies from the 70s that simply assume that NYC is hopeless.

1977: "I left my small town for the apple in decay."

The pilot episode of Barney Miller is about the hopelessness of the city. Really stark, even compared to the usual dark humor of the series.

He's going to create Detroit. A livable doughnut around a truly hopeless center.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2015 11:31 AM (b4b5c)

125 81
Just wait until they unionize the military. It's already the case in some NATO countries. It's coming here.

That's the next fight to get ready for.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after 5 pm at January 17, 2015 11:06 AM (+1T7c)



That's the point where "Let it Burn" becomes the only sane option.

Then we'll have to arm up and deal with the muzzies in our own way.

Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2015 11:32 AM (sdi6R)

126 Expect most of Wall St to move to NJ or CT. I believe almost half of NYC tax base comes from Wall St and he is trying his damn-est to kill them.

Wall Street has not needed Wall Street for some time. The firms were there because they could get ambitious up-and-comer kids to move to the exciting and expensive city.

You can do finance in Omaha, Nebraska or Kennett Square, Pennsylvania.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2015 11:34 AM (b4b5c)

127 It will undoubtedly be ugly. However, De Blasio is
in the process of "fundamentally changing" New York City. What he is
doing will have consequences; he is chasing out the Middle Class, and
also will be chasing out the 50-100K of the wealthiest that pay the
heavy taxes that make NYC possible.



What remains will be reliably class conscious and Marxist.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....in the bleak midwinter at January 17, 2015 11:25


That sounds like a good thing to me. If the libs want to seek out economically unsustainable concentration camps, let them. They will try to tax the rest of the country to make up the deficit, but won't succeed.

Posted by: pep at January 17, 2015 11:35 AM (4nR9/)

128 >>Look at the damage the far-kin Occupy Wall Street movement did. It spread like a cancer.
Posted by: Y-not

Spread or migrated? Probably most the same people, different geographic location.

Posted by: Aviator at January 17, 2015 11:36 AM (3rrMW)

129 If it lasts for a few years, then De Blasio is going to have a very tough time getting reelected.


The electorate in NYC are almost all LIV,Union types, or barely legal minorities. He might have to be caught in bed with a goat or something.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2015 11:36 AM (Zmw74)

130 "You can do finance in Omaha, Nebraska or Kennett Square, Pennsylvania."


Thank you for holding.
Is amazing what can do with telephone.

Posted by: Peggy, from Customer Service at January 17, 2015 11:36 AM (NZ+zd)

131 You can do finance in Omaha, Nebraska or Kennett Square, Pennsylvania.
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Maybe, but it's a major port and transportation hub, as well as a political center.

And it is hard to recruit talent to the sticks.

I would never live in NYC (I looked at a job there and concluded it was a no go), but there is no denying its importance to the country.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 11:37 AM (9BRsg)

132 Plus media and cultural center, sadly.

NYC matters.

It sucks, but it does matter.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 11:38 AM (9BRsg)

133 "He might have to be caught in bed with a goat or something."

That just proves "he's one of us" for certain demographics.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 11:38 AM (NZ+zd)

134 Maybe, but it's a major port and transportation hub, as well as a political center.

It can be easily undone. Easily.

And it is hard to recruit talent to the sticks.

But you can recruit them to a triangle. Especially when they don't have winter.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2015 11:48 AM (b4b5c)

135 Fully support what President Reagan did, but it just
so happens I was stuck at the Airport in Athens Greece because of that
for about 12 hours. It was like Terrorist Central. I think they even had
a special gun and bomb check there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2015 11:16 AM (Zmw74)

Based on what I heard back then, most European airports were like that (heavy duty searches for weapons and bombs at airports). Remember, back then you had the Red Brigades, Red Army Faction (if I'm remembering the name right), the IRA and God knows who else blowing stuff up, shooting up airports (among other things), etc, through most of Europe. Talked to a lot of people back then who reported that when passing through airports in places like Germany, France and the UK, there would be hordes of cops with submachine guns, all but strip searching the passengers and THOROUGHLY searching their luggage before ever letting them near an airplane.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is missing at January 17, 2015 11:52 AM (yTMXB)

136 " most European airports were like that (heavy duty searches for weapons and bombs at airports). "

Rome's Fiumicino Airport.

In the main hall, look up.

See the catwalks up there all around the perimeter?

For a reason.

http://tinyurl.com/nkldps4

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2015 11:56 AM (NZ+zd)

137 When NYC's snow clearing transpo workers shut down to protest benefit cuts and people died due to the blizzard-choked streets (ambulances couldn't respond and the like) that was a selfish "hissy fit" that killed citizens

The cops' response is different in some important ways.

First the immediate cause - two of them were gunned down by someone either ginned up by or "hijacking" the Martin/Brown/Garner race-baiting that the mayor had been feeding.

Second the motive. It's not "give us more dough." It's "stop legitimizing race-baiting claims that the NYPD is Bull Connor 2.0."

Third the response. Yes it hurts NYC citizens to go on a mandatory buddy system and pick and choose what crimes are important enough to police, but that's also a rational relationship to a proven threat.

I support accountability and restraint for cops including body cameras and community oriented policing and I opposed how Ferguson cops responded to the pre-grand jury events there. But the usual suspects have hijacked the conversation over de-militarizing police forces and citizens rights and turned it into "if I'm black I can commit crimes and cops better not try to stop me."

Until people like Sharpton and the lesser drive-by demagogues who descended on Ferguson and NYC with absurdities like #BlackBrunch find another outrage to flack, we have to hold off on the "national conversation on cops." These guys thrive on momentum and mob mentality, and good policy can't be made with them at the table shrieking about their latest twisted version of a favorable news cycle.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 17, 2015 12:00 PM (QKIQb)

138 The NYPD pitches their slow down as a safety measure. When your own mayor is encouraging violence against the police, why get shot over a traffic ticket? Save the risking of your life for serious crimes.

Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 17, 2015 12:05 PM (rwI+c)

139 Rome's Fiumicino Airport.



In the main hall, look up.



See the catwalks up there all around the perimeter?



For a reason.


Yeah, no shit. And that was one of the examples of shot up airports I was thinking of when I wrote that.


Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is missing at January 17, 2015 12:06 PM (yTMXB)

140 and I see SocietyIs2Blame said the same thing better than me.

Posted by: toby928(C) says Rubber Dingy Rapids, Bro! at January 17, 2015 12:06 PM (rwI+c)

141 Prez. Obola doesn't uphold the law and he's not in a union.

Posted by: torabora at January 17, 2015 12:09 PM (H1dT1)

142 The NYPD pitches their slow down as a safety measure. When your own mayor is encouraging violence against the police, why get shot over a traffic ticket? Save the risking of your life for serious crimes.
---

Yeah, I gotta say from where I'm sitting, which admittedly is very far away, I don't think the NYPD is being all that irresponsible.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 12:13 PM (9BRsg)

143 "Yeah, no shit. And that was one of the examples of shot up airports I was thinking of when I wrote that."
Stationed in Gaeta for over seven years.
So we spent much time in and out of that airport.

Picking up friends flying in, we would always have to warn them about the APC's and the police carrying full auto sub-machine guns at the ready.

Got worse after 9-11.

Posted by: Most of us here at Ace's at January 17, 2015 12:13 PM (NZ+zd)

144 I saw law breaking...to include felony theft (they stopped counting at $5million)....committed by non union administration at my california college. The weak ineffectual union was the only thing protecting the employees.

The state finally took over running the college and nobody went to jail for nothing.

Posted by: torabora at January 17, 2015 12:17 PM (H1dT1)

145 132 Plus media and cultural center, sadly.

NYC matters.

It sucks, but it does matter.
Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 11:38 AM (9BRsg)



-----------------------


These too shall pass. Everything changes at some point. Look at Detroit. No one thought the auto industry could prosper outside of that city.

Posted by: Soona at January 17, 2015 12:54 PM (dO8Fp)

146 >>These too shall pass. Everything changes at some point.

Oh, I agree.

But I look at CA and think it should have become irrelevant years ago, but it hasn't b/c it's the gateway to the East etc. Likewise, NYC it very much the key to our presence across the Atlantic.

Coastal cities will always have some advantage over others for years to come, imo.

I'm not a booster for NYC (or LA or SF), but what happens there does still matter to the rest of the country.

Posted by: Y-not at January 17, 2015 01:46 PM (9BRsg)

147 Escort girls http://REGMODELS.RU

Posted by: Tina at January 17, 2015 02:18 PM (s7gId)

148 Obama's open-borders executive action is about keeping public employee unions in power. Here in CA, we have a government of, by, and for the public employee unions.

Those unions are also consistently the biggest contributors to state political campaigns (guess which party...).

Were it not for illegal immigration, CA would have far fewer K-12 students, people receiving state benefits, and so far fewer public employees, so much smaller unions, far less dues paid .. and so far less money for politicians.

The circle of leftist corruption is fed by illegal immigration in more ways than one.

Posted by: DrDeano at January 17, 2015 03:27 PM (x18S2)

149 Unions are anti-consumer. ...All of them.

So in the case of Govt. Unions, they are anti-taxpayer.

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2015 07:20 PM (Wg3jL)

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