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Fundamental Concepts - No True Mussulman [Weirddave]
This week saw another terrorist atrocity (several, actually) committed in the name of Allah. As usual, our betters in the media fell all over themselves rushing to the nearest microphone to declare that there is no possible way that terrorists who identified as Muslim, who triumphantly shouted that they were avenging the prophet, could have anything whatsoever to do with Islam.
You and I know that that's hogwash. So do they, actually. Why is it than they they repeat the "No True Scotsman" fallacy every single time? I think there's a couple of reasons.
#1 It's a distraction. The left in this country frankly could care less what happens in the rest of the world. They are hell bent on turning this country into a collectivist Utopia, anything that distracts from that goal must be shut down. If the people are clamoring for protection from an external threat, they won't be clamoring for more "free" stuff, binding themselves ever more tightly to the grindstone of centralized government. #2 Islam and the left share many of the same goals. Both want to destroy western civilization and replace it with a totalitarian oligarchy. The left thinks that Islam is doing their work for them, so they are content to tolerate it. Where they are deluded is that they believe that after western civilization is laid in it's grave, THEN they'll be able to defeat militant Islam. They're absolutely insane, they'll fold like the dhimmi bastards that they are. An Islam triumphant over Europe will simply say BOO to a leftist secular US and they'll jizyah in their pants. #3 They're cowards. They are. It takes courage to face down an enemy that has point blank stated that its goal is your submission or death, and it doesn't care which. Facing something like that down requires acknowledging that many, many people will die in the effort, not the least of whom will be some of their unique, special, invaluable selves. Dying for what you believe in? That's soooo red state, nothing for the enlightened to contemplate. So what do we do? First, we have to call out the lie for what it is. Once again, we have the harder task. Sticking your head in the ground is easy. Facing reality with all it's subtle nuances is hard, and explaining that reality in a calm, rational manner is harder still. Truth #1: Islam is at war with the west. Not all of Islam, no, but a significant portion of it. It doesn't matter if a large number of Muslims don't practice terrorism, it doesn't even matter if large numbers of Muslims abhor terrorism (which is not the case from every poll done amongst Muslims) or if they think it's a perversion of Islam (again, polls say the majority don't see it as a perversion of the teachings of the Koran). It doesn't matter if you believe violence to be against the tenets of Islam, or if you have an airtight logical argument supporting your argument. What matters is that those who commit violence believe they are acting in accordance with the teachings (and they are. It's all in there). Think of it this way. I knew quite a few Catholics in high school and college. Most of them were sexually active before they were married. A few weren't. Catholic dogma proscribes per-marital sex. Which group of people, the abstinent or the sexually active, were "true" Catholics and which group weren't? The majority were having sex, does that make them "true" Catholics? The minority were observing the letter of the law according to doctrine, are they the "true" Catholics? The answer of course is that all of them were Catholic. Groups of people are comprised of many individuals. Those individuals may differ from each other in their beliefs or behaviors, but they are still members of the larger group. Second, we MUST, absolutely MUST, support those voices in the Muslim world that dare to speak out against the violence. Egypt's al-Sisi took an extremely courageous stand against violence recently. Everybody from the President to the Pope should be singing his praises and offering whatever support they can, but they're not, see #1 and #2 above. Israel is the lone Western nation that is bucking this trend. Finally, we have to realize that we are going to have to kill a large number of militants. There is no way around it (unless an reformation movement catches fire in the Islamic world, in which case they are going to have to kill a large number of militants). Societies are comprised of large numbers of people, most of whom are content to go with the flow, even if the flow is towards violence. That's just human nature. Firebrands count on this, and use it to drive their agenda. History has shown that the only way to reverse this trend is to kill the firebrands in as bloody and as public a way as possible, until the rest of the population becomes convinced that to continue to follow the same path is suicide. With the firebrands dead (and thus no longer pushing for violence), the majority of the population can move in another direction, towards peace. This is exactly what happened with Japan prior to and after WWII. It sucks. It's abhorrent to consider, but I know of no other method that has worked in the history of mankind. Islam is at war with the west, and we're doomed to lose if we can't even recognize that it's happening.Comments
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It's the guns actually. Those poor, innocent youths saw just how easy it is to buy guns in the United States, so they had to go shoot a bunch of people who draw blasphemous cartoons. But the cartoons had nothing to do with it. Still I wouldn't want to insult The Prophet (PBUH).
Posted by: Evgeny Robinson at January 10, 2015 11:51 AM (MbqmP)
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Well said.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2015 11:56 AM (bWGM5)
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Greetings:
For too long a time, my thinking has been that Islam is the millstone. It's nothing more than the globalization of 7th Century A.D. predatory Arab tribal culture under a thin veneer of religion. And if your plan doesn't include constraining, undermining, or eradicating Islam, you don't have a plan. What you have is a hope.
One of the things I found interesting about French President Hollande's performances after the initial massacre was his call for "unity" among French citizens while, at the same time, excluding Marine Le Pen of the growing National Front party from his "unity.
It's now more than obvious me that Hollande, Cameron, and Frau Merkel have made up their minds and their people are to be conditioned to enjoy their forthcoming submissions.
For too long a time, my thinking has been that Islam is the millstone. It's nothing more than the globalization of 7th Century A.D. predatory Arab tribal culture under a thin veneer of religion. And if your plan doesn't include constraining, undermining, or eradicating Islam, you don't have a plan. What you have is a hope.
One of the things I found interesting about French President Hollande's performances after the initial massacre was his call for "unity" among French citizens while, at the same time, excluding Marine Le Pen of the growing National Front party from his "unity.
It's now more than obvious me that Hollande, Cameron, and Frau Merkel have made up their minds and their people are to be conditioned to enjoy their forthcoming submissions.
Posted by: 11B40 at January 10, 2015 11:57 AM (evgyj)
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The left thinks that Islam is doing their work for them, so they are content to tolerate it.
I think it is even worse than that. The left likes anything that harms the US regardless of where it comes from.
I think it is even worse than that. The left likes anything that harms the US regardless of where it comes from.
Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2015 11:57 AM (wlDny)
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Ummm well said weird dave.... Not some tre hugging granola munching sock of a pseudo journalist....
.... foe clarification....
.... foe clarification....
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2015 11:58 AM (sdPF/)
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The Wahabi bastards want to be martyrs. Let's oblige them.
Posted by: The Inglorious Basterd at January 10, 2015 11:58 AM (ZfC/B)
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As I posted previously , as much as I want to kill everyone of these bastards on sight, to win this thing we need to capture some of the leaders alive so we can get information that will help us kill the worker bees .
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 10, 2015 11:59 AM (3jmxp)
Posted by: GOP at January 10, 2015 11:59 AM (XzRw1)
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The next time some lefty brings up that canard about only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, and besides they aren't really Muslims if they do this, the correct response is "Well, I guess that let's me off the hook for the Crusades and slavery, then. Good to know."
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2015 11:59 AM (4nR9/)
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Oooooo.... Rotating hash tags this morning...
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2015 11:59 AM (bWGM5)
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Second, we MUST, absolutely MUST, support those voices in the Muslim world that dare to speak out against the violence. Egypt's al-Sisi took an extremely courageous stand against violence recently.
While it might be dangerous to speak out in Afgan or Iraq or hell most of the middle east it is pretty damn safe here. All I hear are crickets.
Those moderates are really speaking out.
While it might be dangerous to speak out in Afgan or Iraq or hell most of the middle east it is pretty damn safe here. All I hear are crickets.
Those moderates are really speaking out.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 10, 2015 11:59 AM (WNERA)
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Finally, we have to realize that we are going to have to kill all the terrorists large number of militants
FTFY.
FTFY.
Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2015 12:00 PM (wlDny)
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define the koran as incitement
prosecute preaching of jihad
then there will be motion to moderate
not before
prosecute preaching of jihad
then there will be motion to moderate
not before
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 12:00 PM (lj86s)
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Egypt's al-Sisi took an extremely courageous stand against violence recently.
Truly. If there was a "Balls of Brass" award, he should win it. As it is, the Nobel Peace Prize should be his consolation prize, except he'd have to share it with people like Obama and Arafat.
Truly. If there was a "Balls of Brass" award, he should win it. As it is, the Nobel Peace Prize should be his consolation prize, except he'd have to share it with people like Obama and Arafat.
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2015 12:01 PM (4nR9/)
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Pep... Its also good to know we dont have to provide captured ones with Korans, diets, prayer rugs and access to clergy.... Sine they're not really Muslim.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2015 12:03 PM (Vf63U)
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Writing new book re: Barry : Muslim Roots.
Posted by: Zombie Alex Haley at January 10, 2015 12:03 PM (gwG9s)
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al-SiSi might be watching and listening. He just might be worried the world will have a war against Islam a real shooting war. I don't know his mind but this he could be thinking.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 10, 2015 12:03 PM (WNERA)
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gun running to jihadis is sedition, war
use the military to stop it
raid all compounds and shoot to
kill
use the military to stop it
raid all compounds and shoot to
kill
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 12:03 PM (lj86s)
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On the one hand I can see saying that 'no true religion' supports the mass murder of innocents. No true religion excuses the brutal, sadistic, murderous, evil gangster thug behavior of these fanatical madmen.
And then I realize that is Christianity talking. The Jews of the old testament, leaving Egypt, led by a vengeful and wrathful god, went into the promised land and did some murdering of their own. If the stories are true.
So, on the other hand, killing the unbeliever because God told you to, is completely
understandable.
But the bottom line is, if your neighbor is trying to kill you, it really doesn't matter why. What's important is he is trying to kill you.
And then I realize that is Christianity talking. The Jews of the old testament, leaving Egypt, led by a vengeful and wrathful god, went into the promised land and did some murdering of their own. If the stories are true.
So, on the other hand, killing the unbeliever because God told you to, is completely
understandable.
But the bottom line is, if your neighbor is trying to kill you, it really doesn't matter why. What's important is he is trying to kill you.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2015 12:04 PM (F7fvt)
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The left thinks that Islam is doing their work for them, so they are content to tolerate it.
I disagree with this. The left has for a long time (century or more) had a fetish with primitivism & the noble savage*. They don't think at all about the consequences, they just adore the fact that the mohammedans are behaving like savages. In their minds this make them more, not less, susceptible to collectivisation.
The Soviet campaign in Afghanistan was based around this bizarre fetish: we can collectivise them easily because they are less tainted by Western civilization. It worked out poorly.
*Lots of people have historically, but the left has latched onto it with a ferocity unequalled in history.
I disagree with this. The left has for a long time (century or more) had a fetish with primitivism & the noble savage*. They don't think at all about the consequences, they just adore the fact that the mohammedans are behaving like savages. In their minds this make them more, not less, susceptible to collectivisation.
The Soviet campaign in Afghanistan was based around this bizarre fetish: we can collectivise them easily because they are less tainted by Western civilization. It worked out poorly.
*Lots of people have historically, but the left has latched onto it with a ferocity unequalled in history.
Posted by: Evgeny Robinson at January 10, 2015 12:04 PM (MbqmP)
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This is spot on.
We are at war.
I just hope we are up to the task. After ten years of wasted time and lives, I am worried that we are not.
We are at war.
I just hope we are up to the task. After ten years of wasted time and lives, I am worried that we are not.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 10, 2015 12:04 PM (08Znv)
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Take out the Arab cultural aspects; cruelty, tribalism and theft, and the concept of forced conversion, and it's not much worse that many fringe religions, a danger only to it's practitioners.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 12:04 PM (rwI+c)
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Also, if my Granny had wheels she'd be a bus.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 12:06 PM (rwI+c)
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Islam is at war with the west. Not all of Islam, no, but a significant portion of it. It doesn't matter if a large number of Muslims don't practice terrorism, it doesn't even matter if large numbers of Muslims abhor terrorism (which is not the case from every poll done amongst Muslims) or if they think it's a perversion of Islam (again, polls say the majority don't see it as a perversion of the teachings of the Koran). It doesn't matter if you believe violence to be against the tenets of Islam, or if you have an airtight logical argument supporting your argument. What matters is that those who commit violence believe they are acting in accordance with the teachings (and they are. It's all in there).
Replace "Islam" with "Germany" and "Muslims" with "Germans" and most of your statement still applies. Germany pre-WWI was considered the most cultured, educated, advanced, and tolerant country in Europe. (For example, Jews had moved there, on their way to Eastern Europe, after getting kicked out of Spain and Portugal during the Inquisition, and were not particularly welcome in Britain or France.)
So asserting that not everyone subscribes to the savagery conducted by a group doesn't avail. The bloodletters are always a small proportion of the population.
Replace "Islam" with "Germany" and "Muslims" with "Germans" and most of your statement still applies. Germany pre-WWI was considered the most cultured, educated, advanced, and tolerant country in Europe. (For example, Jews had moved there, on their way to Eastern Europe, after getting kicked out of Spain and Portugal during the Inquisition, and were not particularly welcome in Britain or France.)
So asserting that not everyone subscribes to the savagery conducted by a group doesn't avail. The bloodletters are always a small proportion of the population.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 10, 2015 12:07 PM (oKE6c)
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The left has for a long time (century or more) had a fetish with primitivism the noble savage*.
That asshole Rousseau, as one of the intellectual founders of the Left, has SO much to answer for.
That asshole Rousseau, as one of the intellectual founders of the Left, has SO much to answer for.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 10, 2015 12:08 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 12:09 PM (lj86s)
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New one
Posted by: RioBravo at January 10, 2015 12:09 PM (z27Ny)
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Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2015 12:00 PM (wlDny)
Ah, the "Pokemon strategy." Gotta get 'em all.
Ah, the "Pokemon strategy." Gotta get 'em all.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 10, 2015 12:09 PM (oKE6c)
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Distracting away from external threats also means that leftists can ignore the most basic function of government, the provision of security against those external threats. When we forget that govt is in service to us in this way, we forget that govt IS a service. Leftists can hide the real answer to "what is the role of gov't" and cover it up with responses such as "social justice" and other such nonsense.
People innately grasp maslow's hierarchy of needs: Pretending the base needs are filled allows a false top.
People innately grasp maslow's hierarchy of needs: Pretending the base needs are filled allows a false top.
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 10, 2015 12:09 PM (/52yu)
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I think al-Sisi has read The Three Conjectures http://is.gd/khus9U
Islam is not likely to thrive if they make enemies of 5/6ths of mankind.
Islam is not likely to thrive if they make enemies of 5/6ths of mankind.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 12:10 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 12:11 PM (lj86s)
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>>al-SiSi might be watching and listening. He just might be worried the world will have a war against Islam a real shooting war. I don't know his mind but this he could be thinking.
Probably some of it. But I bet a lot more it is a historical understanding of his own country.
A lot of focus is given to Saudi Arabia and rightfully so but Egypt has also been at the forefront of spawning Islamic radicalism. The MB got its start in Egypt and has been at war with the Egyptian government ever since. Zawahiri was always more focused on taking out what he considered to be the corruption of Muslim leaders, it wasn't until he hooked up with bin Laden that the focus shifted to the west.
I don't view "moderate Muslims" as any sort of western ideal of tolerance and reform but I think they are starting to realize that we have a common enemy, radical jihadists. They can either join them which will just prolong their demise or once and for all help the west try to help stamp this disease out.
Probably some of it. But I bet a lot more it is a historical understanding of his own country.
A lot of focus is given to Saudi Arabia and rightfully so but Egypt has also been at the forefront of spawning Islamic radicalism. The MB got its start in Egypt and has been at war with the Egyptian government ever since. Zawahiri was always more focused on taking out what he considered to be the corruption of Muslim leaders, it wasn't until he hooked up with bin Laden that the focus shifted to the west.
I don't view "moderate Muslims" as any sort of western ideal of tolerance and reform but I think they are starting to realize that we have a common enemy, radical jihadists. They can either join them which will just prolong their demise or once and for all help the west try to help stamp this disease out.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 12:13 PM (g1DWB)
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When I was in college, i went through a period where I'd go back and read source books-
if what I was being told didn't comport with observed reality.
F'rinstance, Republicans as Nazis. Reality didn't match so I read "Mein Kampf" as the source material.
Guess what? Hitler was a nut job socialist who'd fit in well with modern day Dimocrats.
And speaking of "Mein Kampf", that brings us to the Koran - cause in my mind they would up being very similar. Both Hitler and Mohammed had a hard-on for Jooooooos.
One, the Koran is stupid and boring and written for painfully stupid people. That whole Yellow Cow bit at the beginning is just...mind numbing.
Anywho, I finished it all. Hurray for me. And learned that islam is nothing like what I was being told is was.
Unlike the Bible, what starts out all tribally and blood and thundery and eye for eye-y then slides into the more universal message of the New Testament of all men being equal in God's sight, God's love, etc.
The Koran starts out more, for lack of a better word, peaceful and universal and proceeds to become more and more tribal and stabby and hateful and violent and loony.
The violent Muslims are the good Muslims as directed by the Koran.
So...you're a believing Muslim, who are you going to believe? Some schmoe who write for vox.com or reads news copy on CNN,
or the written direct word of Allah?
To stop this nonsense, a lot of blood is going to need to be spilt. A lot.
The best way to start is to take out the Sauds, and Emirs and Imams and madrassas who support jihad in a bloody public fashion.
Then see what happens.
My guess is in the end, because the average Joe Blow muslim believes in the Koran, that it will involve taking the war to the general muslim population until they learn to stop supporting, even if passively, and tolerating jihadis in their midst.
It's sad.
It's not what I would want. At all.
But, in the end, it will be what their insistence on violence demands.
if what I was being told didn't comport with observed reality.
F'rinstance, Republicans as Nazis. Reality didn't match so I read "Mein Kampf" as the source material.
Guess what? Hitler was a nut job socialist who'd fit in well with modern day Dimocrats.
And speaking of "Mein Kampf", that brings us to the Koran - cause in my mind they would up being very similar. Both Hitler and Mohammed had a hard-on for Jooooooos.
One, the Koran is stupid and boring and written for painfully stupid people. That whole Yellow Cow bit at the beginning is just...mind numbing.
Anywho, I finished it all. Hurray for me. And learned that islam is nothing like what I was being told is was.
Unlike the Bible, what starts out all tribally and blood and thundery and eye for eye-y then slides into the more universal message of the New Testament of all men being equal in God's sight, God's love, etc.
The Koran starts out more, for lack of a better word, peaceful and universal and proceeds to become more and more tribal and stabby and hateful and violent and loony.
The violent Muslims are the good Muslims as directed by the Koran.
So...you're a believing Muslim, who are you going to believe? Some schmoe who write for vox.com or reads news copy on CNN,
or the written direct word of Allah?
To stop this nonsense, a lot of blood is going to need to be spilt. A lot.
The best way to start is to take out the Sauds, and Emirs and Imams and madrassas who support jihad in a bloody public fashion.
Then see what happens.
My guess is in the end, because the average Joe Blow muslim believes in the Koran, that it will involve taking the war to the general muslim population until they learn to stop supporting, even if passively, and tolerating jihadis in their midst.
It's sad.
It's not what I would want. At all.
But, in the end, it will be what their insistence on violence demands.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2015 12:13 PM (KBvAm)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 12:14 PM (DXzRD)
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Those poor, innocent youths saw just how easy it is to buy guns in the United States, so they had to go shoot a bunch of people who draw blasphemous cartoons.
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What I don't understand is since we're drowned in a sea guns here in the U.S., why don't we have two or three of these incidents a day?
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What I don't understand is since we're drowned in a sea guns here in the U.S., why don't we have two or three of these incidents a day?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 12:16 PM (nm0eZ)
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Those poor, innocent youths saw just how easy it is to buy guns in the United States, so they had to go shoot a bunch of people who draw blasphemous cartoons.
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What I don't understand is since we're drowned in a sea guns here in the U.S., why don't we have two or three of these incidents a day?
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What I don't understand is since we're drowned in a sea guns here in the U.S., why don't we have two or three of these incidents a day?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 12:16 PM (nm0eZ)
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The First Amendment ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...") makes the US uniquely unfit to wage a religious war. I don't mean that we shouldn't wage a religious war with arms and propaganda, like the 40-year war against communism, just that the project is institutionally awkward.
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at January 10, 2015 12:18 PM (uHUBu)
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On the one hand I can see saying that 'no true religion' supports the mass murder of innocents. No true religion excuses the brutal, sadistic, murderous, evil gangster thug behavior of these fanatical madmen. And then I realize that is Christianity talking. The Jews of the old testament, leaving Egypt, led by a vengeful and wrathful god, went into the promised land and did some murdering of their own. If the stories are true. So, on the other hand, killing the unbeliever because God told you to, is completely understandable. But the bottom line is, if your neighbor is trying to kill you, it really doesn't matter why. What's important is he is trying to kill you.
I think the messagewas that some civilizations are so completlywicked,offering nothing but death and destructionthat they need to be completly eradicated, not reformed
I think the messagewas that some civilizations are so completlywicked,offering nothing but death and destructionthat they need to be completly eradicated, not reformed
Posted by: Vince at January 10, 2015 12:19 PM (W0MMC)
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Well said!
Posted by: FCF at January 10, 2015 12:19 PM (kejii)
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Comment is busted? Or is this the start of # two weeks?
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 10, 2015 12:29 PM (uPxUo)
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Whoa
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 10, 2015 12:30 PM (ftVQq)
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where am I?
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 10, 2015 12:40 PM (ftVQq)
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Many good points here; much to digest.
The leftists are completely naive if they think they can join forces with Islamic fascists. This is what happened in Iran. The leftists aligned with the religious fundamentalists to over throw the shaw. They thought that once the shaw was gone they would rightfully take power and be able to marginalize the influence of the religious fanatics. They were wrong. After the fall of the shaw, the left was marginalized and the Islamic fundamentalists took over. Many of these leftist now live in exhile as a result of their failed experiment.
We all know what would happen to leftists here and in Europe if the terrorists were able to establish a world wide Islamic government based upon sharia (the terrorists have stated repeatedly that this is their goal), the leftists, homosexuals, feminists, and atheists would all end up digging their own graves. The terrorists would kill all of them. The Islamic terrorists need to be taken seriously. They have told us who they are, what they want, and we need to believe them.
The Islamic terrorists are no different than Imperial Japan, animated by a twisted version of the Bushido code, or the Nazis, animated by their utopian socialist-racially-pure philosophy of hate. Hitler told people who he was and what he was about. Yet people did not take Hitler seriously back then, and many regarded Winston Churchill as a war monger simply because he kept trying to warn his countrymen and the world that Hitler was a threat! While Chamberlain and his ilk were calling the Nazis the J.V., Churchill never wasted a moment to point out that the Nazis were, in fact, the Varsity All-Star team. He was right, and those that were unable to confront the truth were very wrong. We are seeing this same sort of denial playing out again today.
The reason why people refuse to believe that the Islamic terrorists are a serious problem to world peace is because they just can't quite believe it. It's a normalcy bias. It's an inability to confront the horrible truth that yes, the terrorists want to saw their heads off, rape their daughters, and sell their sons into slavery. They think, "This can't be happening," well, yeah, it is!
This is the reality of the situation, however, and if Europeans don't wake up, start believing that their own cultures are worth celebrating and preserving, they will be destroyed by this hostile guest that they have invited into their homelands. This is an invasion of sorts, and there will be a civil war unless Europe wakes up. Europe needs to immediately stop ALL immigration from the Islamic world, and they also need to start deporting any and all Muslims that are not citizens. They will have a problem legally doing anything with the hostile Muslims that are in fact legal citizens, but it might be a good idea to dramatically increase the penalties for terrorist activities. One of the Charlie Hebdo murderers had served time for terrorist activities, but he only served like 18 months! This guy should have been put away for at least 20 or 30 years. Europe needs to wake up and take drastic measures to save themselves. Unfortunately, it may already be too late.
The leftists are completely naive if they think they can join forces with Islamic fascists. This is what happened in Iran. The leftists aligned with the religious fundamentalists to over throw the shaw. They thought that once the shaw was gone they would rightfully take power and be able to marginalize the influence of the religious fanatics. They were wrong. After the fall of the shaw, the left was marginalized and the Islamic fundamentalists took over. Many of these leftist now live in exhile as a result of their failed experiment.
We all know what would happen to leftists here and in Europe if the terrorists were able to establish a world wide Islamic government based upon sharia (the terrorists have stated repeatedly that this is their goal), the leftists, homosexuals, feminists, and atheists would all end up digging their own graves. The terrorists would kill all of them. The Islamic terrorists need to be taken seriously. They have told us who they are, what they want, and we need to believe them.
The Islamic terrorists are no different than Imperial Japan, animated by a twisted version of the Bushido code, or the Nazis, animated by their utopian socialist-racially-pure philosophy of hate. Hitler told people who he was and what he was about. Yet people did not take Hitler seriously back then, and many regarded Winston Churchill as a war monger simply because he kept trying to warn his countrymen and the world that Hitler was a threat! While Chamberlain and his ilk were calling the Nazis the J.V., Churchill never wasted a moment to point out that the Nazis were, in fact, the Varsity All-Star team. He was right, and those that were unable to confront the truth were very wrong. We are seeing this same sort of denial playing out again today.
The reason why people refuse to believe that the Islamic terrorists are a serious problem to world peace is because they just can't quite believe it. It's a normalcy bias. It's an inability to confront the horrible truth that yes, the terrorists want to saw their heads off, rape their daughters, and sell their sons into slavery. They think, "This can't be happening," well, yeah, it is!
This is the reality of the situation, however, and if Europeans don't wake up, start believing that their own cultures are worth celebrating and preserving, they will be destroyed by this hostile guest that they have invited into their homelands. This is an invasion of sorts, and there will be a civil war unless Europe wakes up. Europe needs to immediately stop ALL immigration from the Islamic world, and they also need to start deporting any and all Muslims that are not citizens. They will have a problem legally doing anything with the hostile Muslims that are in fact legal citizens, but it might be a good idea to dramatically increase the penalties for terrorist activities. One of the Charlie Hebdo murderers had served time for terrorist activities, but he only served like 18 months! This guy should have been put away for at least 20 or 30 years. Europe needs to wake up and take drastic measures to save themselves. Unfortunately, it may already be too late.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at January 10, 2015 12:56 PM (2/oBD)
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What I don't understand is since we're drowned in a sea guns here in the U.S., why don't we have two or three of these incidents a day?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 12:16 PM (nm0eZ)
We do, it's just covered up by the bankers & the K-street lobbyists!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 12:16 PM (nm0eZ)
We do, it's just covered up by the bankers & the K-street lobbyists!
Posted by: RON PAUL at January 10, 2015 01:13 PM (MbqmP)
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""History has shown that the only way to reverse this trend is to kill the firebrands in as bloody and as public a way as possible, until the rest of the population becomes convinced that to continue to follow the same path is suicide""
Fucking eh right. It should be a national pastime.
Fucking eh right. It should be a national pastime.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 10, 2015 01:14 PM (FMbng)
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I have no idea where they got these guns. Irresponsible collectors perhaps.
Posted by: Eric Holder at January 10, 2015 01:16 PM (qYUeR)
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I have no idea where they got these guns. Irresponsible collectors perhaps.
Posted by: Eric Holder at January 10, 2015 01:16 PM (qYUeR)
Hrm. I guess this means we have to illegally ship a bunch more guns to Mexico & forget to track them.
Posted by: Eric Holder at January 10, 2015 01:16 PM (qYUeR)
Hrm. I guess this means we have to illegally ship a bunch more guns to Mexico & forget to track them.
Posted by: ValJar at January 10, 2015 01:18 PM (MbqmP)
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'We vomit' on Charlie Hebdo's sudden friends, staff cartoonist says
THE HAGUE, Jan 10 -- A prominent Dutch cartoonist at Charlie Hebdo heaped scorn on the French satirical weekly's "new friends" since the massacre at its Paris offices on Wednesday.
"We have a lot of new friends, like the pope, Queen Elizabeth and (Russian President Vladimir) Putin. It really makes me laugh," Bernard Holtrop, whose pen name is Willem, told the Dutch centre-left daily Volkskrant in an interview published today.
France's far-right National Front leader "Marine Le Pen is delighted when the Islamists start shooting all over the place," said Willem, 73, a long-time Paris resident who also draws for the French leftist daily Liberation.
He added: "We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends."
Commenting on the global outpouring of support for the weekly, Willem scoffed: "They've never seen Charlie Hebdo."
"A few years ago, thousands of people took to the streets in Pakistan to demonstrate against Charlie Hebdo. They didn't know what it was. Now it's the opposite, but if people are protesting to defend freedom of speech, naturally that's a good thing."
http://tinyurl.com/l9jblnu
ouch.
anger, pain, truth
'We vomit' on Charlie Hebdo's sudden friends, staff cartoonist says
THE HAGUE, Jan 10 -- A prominent Dutch cartoonist at Charlie Hebdo heaped scorn on the French satirical weekly's "new friends" since the massacre at its Paris offices on Wednesday.
"We have a lot of new friends, like the pope, Queen Elizabeth and (Russian President Vladimir) Putin. It really makes me laugh," Bernard Holtrop, whose pen name is Willem, told the Dutch centre-left daily Volkskrant in an interview published today.
France's far-right National Front leader "Marine Le Pen is delighted when the Islamists start shooting all over the place," said Willem, 73, a long-time Paris resident who also draws for the French leftist daily Liberation.
He added: "We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends."
Commenting on the global outpouring of support for the weekly, Willem scoffed: "They've never seen Charlie Hebdo."
"A few years ago, thousands of people took to the streets in Pakistan to demonstrate against Charlie Hebdo. They didn't know what it was. Now it's the opposite, but if people are protesting to defend freedom of speech, naturally that's a good thing."
http://tinyurl.com/l9jblnu
ouch.
anger, pain, truth
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 01:18 PM (IXrOn)
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Not every German was a Nazi, but still bombed the shit out them.
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2015 01:18 PM (TETYm)
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Zimmerman needs to get out of Florida.
George Zimmerman arrested on aggravated assault charge http://is.gd/89O5JI
George Zimmerman arrested on aggravated assault charge http://is.gd/89O5JI
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
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There are only good Muslims. The ones who rape,torture, and kill are not Muslims. By the way, did you notice I used the word "terrorist" I did. Tell them Candy. Read it back to me. They just aren't muslim.
I have no more to say about this.
I have no more to say about this.
Posted by: President Obama at January 10, 2015 01:21 PM (qYUeR)
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I believe it's more insidious than you think Ace. The threat of 'militant' Islam has always been present in some form or fashion throughout history, and this is not the first brush between it and the United States.
What makes it so significant and so threatening at this point is that the activities of these militants are being marginalized at best, and aided at worst, by agents and politicians within our government. And those agents and politicians are being supported, aided and abetted by the 'mainstream' media. In fact, I would go so far to say that Obama has done little, if anything to discourage terrorism and has in fact, for all intents and purposes encouraged it through his lack of action and engagement.
That may seem harsh, or even bombastic (no pun intended) but it is evident to anyone who looks objectively at the reactions of the US government and the MSM to what has transpired in the name of Islam both here and abroad.
What makes it so significant and so threatening at this point is that the activities of these militants are being marginalized at best, and aided at worst, by agents and politicians within our government. And those agents and politicians are being supported, aided and abetted by the 'mainstream' media. In fact, I would go so far to say that Obama has done little, if anything to discourage terrorism and has in fact, for all intents and purposes encouraged it through his lack of action and engagement.
That may seem harsh, or even bombastic (no pun intended) but it is evident to anyone who looks objectively at the reactions of the US government and the MSM to what has transpired in the name of Islam both here and abroad.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 10, 2015 01:21 PM (60Vyp)
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Destroy Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Doing that will set Islam back centuries.
Even that will just be a start.
Doing that will set Islam back centuries.
Even that will just be a start.
Posted by: eman at January 10, 2015 01:22 PM (MQEz6)
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George Zimmerman arrested on aggravated assault charge http://is.gd/89O5JI
Guy needs to swear off women, I think.
Guy needs to swear off women, I think.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:23 PM (+2//H)
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52>> My bad; Wierddave, not Ace.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 10, 2015 01:24 PM (60Vyp)
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Not every German was a Nazi, but still bombed the shit out them.
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2015 01:18 PM (TETYm)
& then split their country up, made their old political party illegal, and forced them to pay for (& participate in) the clean-up efforts. & didn't apologise.
Exactly the way it should be done.
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2015 01:18 PM (TETYm)
& then split their country up, made their old political party illegal, and forced them to pay for (& participate in) the clean-up efforts. & didn't apologise.
Exactly the way it should be done.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 10, 2015 01:24 PM (MbqmP)
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#3 - They are Cowards
To admit to the problem would then follow that they must do something about the problem.
They have no stomach for the hard choices they would have to make, about all of the feathers that would necessarily be ruffled - CAIR, the usual activist suspects.
Also, if they pretend there is no problem maybe it will go away. Magical, childish thinking.
To admit to the problem would then follow that they must do something about the problem.
They have no stomach for the hard choices they would have to make, about all of the feathers that would necessarily be ruffled - CAIR, the usual activist suspects.
Also, if they pretend there is no problem maybe it will go away. Magical, childish thinking.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2015 01:25 PM (ABcz/)
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Truth #1: Islam is at war with the west. Not all of Islam, no, but a significant portion of it.
And that portion are the ones with the guns, bombs, and rocket launchers.
And that portion are the ones with the guns, bombs, and rocket launchers.
Posted by: Socratease at January 10, 2015 01:25 PM (2GbWn)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 01:25 PM (LImiJ)
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"We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends."
Well fuck you then. And I'm not your friend.
It's okay to say Charlie Hedbo were awful rotten people full of hate AND they should be allowed to do what they do without Muslims killing them.
"We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends."
Well fuck you then. And I'm not your friend.
It's okay to say Charlie Hedbo were awful rotten people full of hate AND they should be allowed to do what they do without Muslims killing them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:26 PM (d26lo)
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22 Take out the Arab cultural aspects; cruelty, tribalism and theft, and the concept of forced conversion, and it's not much worse that many fringe religions, a danger only to it's practitioners.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 12:04 PM (rwI+c)
Wouldn't it be easier just to become a Christian.
Chritianity offers a pretty good deal to its believers and you don't get the whole kill-rape-kaboom thing.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 12:04 PM (rwI+c)
Wouldn't it be easier just to become a Christian.
Chritianity offers a pretty good deal to its believers and you don't get the whole kill-rape-kaboom thing.
Posted by: eman at January 10, 2015 01:27 PM (MQEz6)
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To admit to the problem would then follow that they must do something about the problem.
They
have no stomach for the hard choices they would have to make, about all
of the feathers that would necessarily be ruffled - CAIR, the usual
activist suspects.
Hard choices like selling out their fellow countrymen?
They're not cowards - that implies they know what they should be doing and shy away from doing it. They're traitors - they've chosen an allegiance against their own countries in favor of some international socialism + Islam ideology.
They
have no stomach for the hard choices they would have to make, about all
of the feathers that would necessarily be ruffled - CAIR, the usual
activist suspects.
Hard choices like selling out their fellow countrymen?
They're not cowards - that implies they know what they should be doing and shy away from doing it. They're traitors - they've chosen an allegiance against their own countries in favor of some international socialism + Islam ideology.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:27 PM (+2//H)
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Funny thing is, most Americans knew we were at war on September 11, 2001. What happened since then that we forgot?
It isn't that radical Islam stopped being so terroristy.
It's that our own left decided we were fighting the wrong enemy (and/or we were fighting them wrongly) and enough idiot Americans believed them. Obviously plenty of idiot Americans still do, including plenty of people who have decided the enemy is rogue militarized cops.
It isn't that radical Islam stopped being so terroristy.
It's that our own left decided we were fighting the wrong enemy (and/or we were fighting them wrongly) and enough idiot Americans believed them. Obviously plenty of idiot Americans still do, including plenty of people who have decided the enemy is rogue militarized cops.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2015 01:27 PM (Dj0WE)
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Guy needs to swear off women, I think.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:23 PM (+2//H)
He could always try marrying a transvestite with a hyperactive pituitary gland.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:23 PM (+2//H)
He could always try marrying a transvestite with a hyperactive pituitary gland.
Posted by: Barry at January 10, 2015 01:27 PM (MbqmP)
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Chritianity offers a pretty good deal to its believers and you don't get the whole kill-rape-kaboom thing.
Posted by: eman at January 10, 2015 01:27 PM (MQEz6)
People who love death over life hate the Christian God and have embraced an satanic imitation.
Posted by: eman at January 10, 2015 01:27 PM (MQEz6)
People who love death over life hate the Christian God and have embraced an satanic imitation.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:28 PM (+2//H)
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To admit to the problem would then follow that they must do something about the problem.
Yeah. Being a Liberal is all about seeing yourself as virtuous, about speaking truth to power and righting the injustices of the world. That can be hard work, and it can get you killed. (St. Pancake being an oopsie exception.) Better to shut your eyes and cover your ears and make believe it's not happening, then you can retain your mental halo without effort or risk.
Yeah. Being a Liberal is all about seeing yourself as virtuous, about speaking truth to power and righting the injustices of the world. That can be hard work, and it can get you killed. (St. Pancake being an oopsie exception.) Better to shut your eyes and cover your ears and make believe it's not happening, then you can retain your mental halo without effort or risk.
Posted by: Socratease at January 10, 2015 01:29 PM (2GbWn)
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He could always try marrying a transvestite with a hyperactive pituitary gland.
and a taste for G'agh.
and a taste for G'agh.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:29 PM (rwI+c)
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Funny thing is, most Americans knew we were at war on September 11, 2001. What happened since then that we forgot?
Busy fighting Fedzilla on numerous fronts?
Funny thing is, most Americans knew we were at war on September 11, 2001. What happened since then that we forgot?
Busy fighting Fedzilla on numerous fronts?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 10, 2015 01:29 PM (XzRw1)
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It's okay to say Charlie Hedbo were awful rotten people full of hate
AND they should be allowed to do what they do without Muslims killing
them.
Whatever vile things they did, they were French assholes, and the French can rightly tell the foreign assholes to piss off.
AND they should be allowed to do what they do without Muslims killing
them.
Whatever vile things they did, they were French assholes, and the French can rightly tell the foreign assholes to piss off.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:30 PM (+2//H)
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Correct that to "vile things they said". Our cultures respect freedom of speech. Those who reject our culture need to get out.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:31 PM (+2//H)
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I swear I thought Mauritania was an island.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:33 PM (rwI+c)
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I just had a real a-hole on a forum (an atheist in London, not coincidentally) say the mass exodus from Paris means nothing. "Sure, there are problems, but the Enlightenment will keep on rocking on." He was told his kind is the reason his kind is being systematically outbred in its own countries and will most likely convert when the sword is put to his neck.
These people will not be our destruction. They already are.
These people will not be our destruction. They already are.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 01:34 PM (bGLSw)
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I think the Left believes so strongly in"multiculturalism" that it can't disconnect from its allegiance to "diversity" even when such diversity means someone from another culture has a knife to your throat.
They cannot let themselves think that some cultures are hazardous to your health. That would be all judgey and stuff.
It appears they believe it is better to be murdered than to be non PC.
They cannot let themselves think that some cultures are hazardous to your health. That would be all judgey and stuff.
It appears they believe it is better to be murdered than to be non PC.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:36 PM (dFi94)
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These people will not be our destruction. They already are.
Which means Bad Things when "we" decide we don't want destruction, nothanksgotohell.
These people will not be our destruction. They already are.
Which means Bad Things when "we" decide we don't want destruction, nothanksgotohell.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:36 PM (+2//H)
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"I think the Left believes so strongly in"multiculturalism" that it can't disconnect from its allegiance to "diversity" even when such diversity means someone from another culture has a knife to your throat"
You speak more truth than most here would ever admit.
"Everything is beautiful" is hardwired into the American left - to the point that nothing can break thru to reality.
Back to the topic, however, let's not discount the Israel side of this; as I've heard from (far left) colleagues, we need not see Islam as evil since that might make some appreciate Israel a bit more...
You speak more truth than most here would ever admit.
"Everything is beautiful" is hardwired into the American left - to the point that nothing can break thru to reality.
Back to the topic, however, let's not discount the Israel side of this; as I've heard from (far left) colleagues, we need not see Islam as evil since that might make some appreciate Israel a bit more...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 10, 2015 01:41 PM (/jpU8)
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I'm just saying that this wasn't the staff of MAD Magazine that got shot up.
I'm just saying that this wasn't the staff of MAD Magazine that got shot up.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:41 PM (d26lo)
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The Left doesn't 'believe' in multiculturalism. The Left introduced and imposed upon the West the concept of multiculturalism and 'diversity' as a way to destroy Western cultures.
The Left doesn't 'believe' in multiculturalism. The Left introduced and imposed upon the West the concept of multiculturalism and 'diversity' as a way to destroy Western cultures.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:43 PM (d26lo)
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I think the Left believes so strongly in"multiculturalism" that it can't disconnect from its allegiance to "diversity" even when such diversity means someone from another culture has a knife to your throat.
They cannot let themselves think that some cultures are hazardous to your health. That would be all judgey and stuff.
It appears they believe it is better to be murdered than to be non PC.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:36 PM (dFi94)
They also can not wrap their heads around the fact they other people do not think like them. Did not grow up like them. Do not understand what freedom, free speech, women's rights, etc really is.
They simply are too blinded to understand they have no clue.
They cannot let themselves think that some cultures are hazardous to your health. That would be all judgey and stuff.
It appears they believe it is better to be murdered than to be non PC.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:36 PM (dFi94)
They also can not wrap their heads around the fact they other people do not think like them. Did not grow up like them. Do not understand what freedom, free speech, women's rights, etc really is.
They simply are too blinded to understand they have no clue.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 01:43 PM (IXrOn)
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Chritianity offers a pretty good deal to its believers and you don't get the whole kill-rape-kaboom thing.
I heard a Muslim young woman weep when someone read portions of the New Testament to her. She said she had never once heard that God loved her, growing up. Only that he was to be feared, and that any little thing she did wrong might incur his wrath.
She converted to Christianity, at great peril because of her family.
I heard a Muslim young woman weep when someone read portions of the New Testament to her. She said she had never once heard that God loved her, growing up. Only that he was to be feared, and that any little thing she did wrong might incur his wrath.
She converted to Christianity, at great peril because of her family.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:44 PM (dFi94)
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The Left (let's call it what it's always been, global communism) has succeeded in Europe because Europe let itself be disarmed. The same success has been slowly growing in Australia...also disarmed.
In the U.S., which will never be disarmed enough to allow them free play, a different tactic is being used: instead of physically disarming us, they have been *mentally* disarming the majority of us, in a dozen subtle and not-so-subtle ways, for at least the last few generations. Sometimes I look around and have to ask myself if this tactic won't prove just as effective.
"Without firing a shot."
In the U.S., which will never be disarmed enough to allow them free play, a different tactic is being used: instead of physically disarming us, they have been *mentally* disarming the majority of us, in a dozen subtle and not-so-subtle ways, for at least the last few generations. Sometimes I look around and have to ask myself if this tactic won't prove just as effective.
"Without firing a shot."
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 01:44 PM (bGLSw)
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They also can not wrap their heads around the factthey that other people do not think like them.
They also can not wrap their heads around the fact
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 01:44 PM (IXrOn)
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Take out the Arab cultural aspects; cruelty, tribalism and theft, and the concept of forced conversion, and it's not much worse that many fringe religions, a danger only to it's practitioners.
I've said before that the fundamental flaw of Islam is that it's tailored to fit a barbaric culture.
I've said before that the fundamental flaw of Islam is that it's tailored to fit a barbaric culture.
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 01:45 PM (MMC8r)
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I missed some context there, my bad.
Though I wouldn't call what they said vile or rotten, because it's true. "We" aren't Charlie's friends. We may be allies over free speech, but I have no love for them. But that lack of love is irrelevant. They've a canary in the coal mine on the danger of Islam.
Though I wouldn't call what they said vile or rotten, because it's true. "We" aren't Charlie's friends. We may be allies over free speech, but I have no love for them. But that lack of love is irrelevant. They've a canary in the coal mine on the danger of Islam.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:45 PM (+2//H)
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77
The Left doesn't 'believe' in multiculturalism. The Left introduced and imposed upon the West the concept of multiculturalism and 'diversity' as a way to destroy Western cultures.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:43 PM (d26lo)
You're probably right.
The Left doesn't 'believe' in multiculturalism. The Left introduced and imposed upon the West the concept of multiculturalism and 'diversity' as a way to destroy Western cultures.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:43 PM (d26lo)
You're probably right.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:45 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 01:45 PM (g/zj9)
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73
I think the Left believes so strongly in"multiculturalism" that it can't
disconnect from its allegiance to "diversity" even when such diversity
means someone from another culture has a knife to your throat.
They cannot let themselves think that some cultures are hazardous to your health. That would be all judgey and stuff.
It appears they believe it is better to be murdered than to be non PC.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:36 PM (dFi94)
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Their one and only tune is "This is our fault." That's all they know. This is where they contort themselves and use the word introspection as cover for their delusions.
Introspection is good, but that's not what they do. They say the problem is that they haven't been supportive enough, they haven't given them enough attention, etc. Just a like a parent of a crackhead kid entering jail for the 10th time. That isn't introspection. That's willful ignorance of the true situation in front of you just because the truth is too painful, and not in line with your worldview.
I think the Left believes so strongly in"multiculturalism" that it can't
disconnect from its allegiance to "diversity" even when such diversity
means someone from another culture has a knife to your throat.
They cannot let themselves think that some cultures are hazardous to your health. That would be all judgey and stuff.
It appears they believe it is better to be murdered than to be non PC.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:36 PM (dFi94)
-----
Their one and only tune is "This is our fault." That's all they know. This is where they contort themselves and use the word introspection as cover for their delusions.
Introspection is good, but that's not what they do. They say the problem is that they haven't been supportive enough, they haven't given them enough attention, etc. Just a like a parent of a crackhead kid entering jail for the 10th time. That isn't introspection. That's willful ignorance of the true situation in front of you just because the truth is too painful, and not in line with your worldview.
Posted by: Dave S. at January 10, 2015 01:46 PM (UvR6d)
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"I swear I thought Mauritania was an island.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:33 PM (rwI+c)"
You're probably thinking of Mauritius.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:33 PM (rwI+c)"
You're probably thinking of Mauritius.
Posted by: Annalucia at January 10, 2015 01:47 PM (a5bF3)
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I heard a Muslim young woman weep when someone read portions of the New Testament to her. She said she had never once heard that God loved her, growing up. Only that he was to be feared, and that any little thing she did wrong might incur his wrath.
She converted to Christianity, at great peril because of her family.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:44 PM (dFi94)
That is what Mosab Hassan Yousef said, when he heard "God is Love."
It was like a light bulb went off in his head.
The son of a Hamas leader turned Christian.
Wrote Son of Hamas.
She converted to Christianity, at great peril because of her family.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:44 PM (dFi94)
That is what Mosab Hassan Yousef said, when he heard "God is Love."
It was like a light bulb went off in his head.
The son of a Hamas leader turned Christian.
Wrote Son of Hamas.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 01:47 PM (IXrOn)
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"We" aren't Charlie's friends"
Agreed. They're pretty vile asshats - and that's on a good day. I chuckle at the "we are Charlie" twits, 99.99999 percent of whom would shat themselves if they ever saw an issue.
I'm even less of a friend to those who would shut them down.
Agreed. They're pretty vile asshats - and that's on a good day. I chuckle at the "we are Charlie" twits, 99.99999 percent of whom would shat themselves if they ever saw an issue.
I'm even less of a friend to those who would shut them down.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 10, 2015 01:48 PM (/jpU8)
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The son of a Hamas leader turned Christian.
Wrote Son of Hamas.
I have heard him speak although I haven't read his book. I should do so.
The son of a Hamas leader turned Christian.
Wrote Son of Hamas.
I have heard him speak although I haven't read his book. I should do so.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:49 PM (dFi94)
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>>"I swear I thought Mauritania was an island.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:33 PM (rwI+c)"
You're probably thinking of Mauritius.
Posted by: Annalucia
__________________________
Come on and make up your mind. Which one of these do I have to worry about tipping over?
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 01:33 PM (rwI+c)"
You're probably thinking of Mauritius.
Posted by: Annalucia
__________________________
Come on and make up your mind. Which one of these do I have to worry about tipping over?
Posted by: Hank Johnson at January 10, 2015 01:50 PM (3rrMW)
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Multiculturalism is an obvious sham when Western civilization is the one that's always wrong.
And the Left will ignore sexism/racism/homophobia in the rest of the world as 'their culture,' while IMPOSING their values ruthlessly on everyone in the West as if THEY get to define (or even re-define) Western culture.
It's fundamental double-standard proves it's really a weapon and who it's pointed at.
And the Left will ignore sexism/racism/homophobia in the rest of the world as 'their culture,' while IMPOSING their values ruthlessly on everyone in the West as if THEY get to define (or even re-define) Western culture.
It's fundamental double-standard proves it's really a weapon and who it's pointed at.
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 01:50 PM (MMC8r)
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Alex de Tocqueville astutely observed the stark differences between Christianity and Islam.
A difference that occurred to me recently is that the only 'preaching' you hear from a Muslim imam to his flock is about how Other (the infidels; non-Muslims) are failing Allah and need to be corrected, whereas a Christian minister preaches to the individual and say how You (the Christian, including the minister) are falling short of the glory of the Lord and You need to correct Yourself.
Alex de Tocqueville astutely observed the stark differences between Christianity and Islam.
A difference that occurred to me recently is that the only 'preaching' you hear from a Muslim imam to his flock is about how Other (the infidels; non-Muslims) are failing Allah and need to be corrected, whereas a Christian minister preaches to the individual and say how You (the Christian, including the minister) are falling short of the glory of the Lord and You need to correct Yourself.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:50 PM (d26lo)
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I have heard him speak although I haven't read his book. I should do so.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:49 PM (dFi94)
It's a quick and easy read.
Worth it, his introspection and the details of how Hamas interacts.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 01:49 PM (dFi94)
It's a quick and easy read.
Worth it, his introspection and the details of how Hamas interacts.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 01:50 PM (IXrOn)
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Freedom of Speech only really matters when you really, really disagree with what someone is saying. Past the point of disagreement, past the point of revulsion, past the point of bad taste. That's when it matters.
Posted by: Sacre Bleu! at January 10, 2015 01:51 PM (kSYKy)
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The narrative tells us that the 'peaceful' Mohammedans become radicalized at the injustices pertertrated on them by 'evil' Westerners, that the majority of Mohammadans are just like us, moderate and reasonable. It is a great lie. The peaceful moderate Mohommedan IS the radicalized wing of this theopolitical scourge. The great majority want you converted or dead. There is no 'coexistence'. There can be no peace.
Posted by: Rob@thebeach at January 10, 2015 01:52 PM (DmaDQ)
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I "willowed" myself.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 10, 2015 01:52 PM (NoB6A)
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Their one and only tune is "This is our fault." That's all they
know. This is where they contort themselves and use the word
introspection as cover for their delusions.
I don't believe it. When they say, "our fault", they really mean "(y)our fault". Collective fault means it's not *my* fault.
Which is why they have no guilt over their massive hypocrisies - that's society's fault, and they've done a wonderful thing for the world by pointing it out, even as they continue to enjoy the benefits of the racist/sexist/selfish things they do.
know. This is where they contort themselves and use the word
introspection as cover for their delusions.
I don't believe it. When they say, "our fault", they really mean "(y)our fault". Collective fault means it's not *my* fault.
Which is why they have no guilt over their massive hypocrisies - that's society's fault, and they've done a wonderful thing for the world by pointing it out, even as they continue to enjoy the benefits of the racist/sexist/selfish things they do.
Posted by: CM at January 10, 2015 01:52 PM (+2//H)
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Good article and good comment thread.
"Finally, we have to realize that we are going to have to kill a large number of militants."
A couple thoughts:
1. Throughout the 'WOT' there has little or no visible effort to penalize the underpinnings of the Islamic Resurgent Caliphate. What if, instead of waiting for the boil to burst and killing millions, we killed a few thousand of the right people? Lance the boil, so to speak.
We know who they are, but besides the reasons listed in the main article, there is global financial entanglement and internecine strife owning the short focus and blurring the long view. Same as it ever was.
2. It doesn't seem that this attack brings Western Civ much closer to critical mass. All the usual players are showing the same play we saw in 2001. As the main article points out, our betters are rushing to contain ... us, not the Islamists. I am left wondering if the modern liberal state will fail before the Islamists do. What may come in its wake gives one pause.
"Finally, we have to realize that we are going to have to kill a large number of militants."
A couple thoughts:
1. Throughout the 'WOT' there has little or no visible effort to penalize the underpinnings of the Islamic Resurgent Caliphate. What if, instead of waiting for the boil to burst and killing millions, we killed a few thousand of the right people? Lance the boil, so to speak.
We know who they are, but besides the reasons listed in the main article, there is global financial entanglement and internecine strife owning the short focus and blurring the long view. Same as it ever was.
2. It doesn't seem that this attack brings Western Civ much closer to critical mass. All the usual players are showing the same play we saw in 2001. As the main article points out, our betters are rushing to contain ... us, not the Islamists. I am left wondering if the modern liberal state will fail before the Islamists do. What may come in its wake gives one pause.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 01:53 PM (4fjKI)
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A difference that occurred to me recently is that the only 'preaching' you hear from a Muslim imam to his flock is about how Other (the infidels; non-Muslims) are failing Allah and need to be corrected, whereas a Christian minister preaches to the individual and say how You (the Christian, including the minister) are falling short of the glory of the Lord and You need to correct Yourself.
Same thing with Trinity United and Jeremiah Wright.
I'd never heard a pastor that talked so much about what's wrong with people not in the building.
A difference that occurred to me recently is that the only 'preaching' you hear from a Muslim imam to his flock is about how Other (the infidels; non-Muslims) are failing Allah and need to be corrected, whereas a Christian minister preaches to the individual and say how You (the Christian, including the minister) are falling short of the glory of the Lord and You need to correct Yourself.
Same thing with Trinity United and Jeremiah Wright.
I'd never heard a pastor that talked so much about what's wrong with people not in the building.
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 01:54 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2015 01:55 PM (NeFrd)
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99>> I am left wondering if the modern liberal state will fail before the Islamists do.
Look no further than 'liberal states' where the law is not enforced in Muslim (or any other demographic) areas within those states. Dearborn, MI = France = Britain = Jamaica
Look no further than 'liberal states' where the law is not enforced in Muslim (or any other demographic) areas within those states. Dearborn, MI = France = Britain = Jamaica
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 10, 2015 01:57 PM (60Vyp)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 01:57 PM (g/zj9)
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Islam - 'submission' - is fundamentally a value system that has its adherents avoid personal responsibility.
Islam with Personal Responsibility would be like Christianity with Hate; yes they exist, but not mainstream.
Islam with Personal Responsibility would be like Christianity with Hate; yes they exist, but not mainstream.
Posted by: Sacre Bleu! at January 10, 2015 01:57 PM (kSYKy)
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"The Left doesn't 'believe' in multiculturalism."
No it doesn't. Never has. The proof is that they seek to have it enforced by law on everyone else, and seem apply it to themselves...but will abandon it at the drop of a hat if the situation warrants. It's not mere hypocrisy, it's weaponized hypocrisy.
No it doesn't. Never has. The proof is that they seek to have it enforced by law on everyone else, and seem apply it to themselves...but will abandon it at the drop of a hat if the situation warrants. It's not mere hypocrisy, it's weaponized hypocrisy.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 01:58 PM (bGLSw)
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. It doesn't seem that this attack brings Western Civ much closer to critical mass. All the usual players are showing the same play we saw in 2001. As the main article points out, our betters are rushing to contain ... us, not the Islamists. I am left wondering if the modern liberal state will fail before the Islamists do. What may come in its wake gives one pause.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 01:53 PM (4fjKI)
All they need to do is to pull a Beslan and all bets are off. The left can go fuck themselves, because if a Beslan type thing happens THEE most dangerous place to be on the planet will be the one between a muslim and an American patriot's bullet.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 01:53 PM (4fjKI)
All they need to do is to pull a Beslan and all bets are off. The left can go fuck themselves, because if a Beslan type thing happens THEE most dangerous place to be on the planet will be the one between a muslim and an American patriot's bullet.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 10, 2015 01:58 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 01:58 PM (g/zj9)
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In other words, a Muslim believes he, by the very nature of his identity as a Muslim, is a supreme infallible being.
A Christian believes the complete opposite. The first thing a Christian knows, or should know, is that s/he has a lifetime of self-improvement before they even think of improving others. Now that's not to say one can't minister to others; it means they'll always have planks in their eyes and ought not to be out looking for splinters in other's.
In other words, a Muslim believes he, by the very nature of his identity as a Muslim, is a supreme infallible being.
A Christian believes the complete opposite. The first thing a Christian knows, or should know, is that s/he has a lifetime of self-improvement before they even think of improving others. Now that's not to say one can't minister to others; it means they'll always have planks in their eyes and ought not to be out looking for splinters in other's.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 01:58 PM (d26lo)
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hmmmm
Report: French Terrorist HAYAT BOUMEDDIENE May Now Be in Syria ISIS Caliphate
There are reports that Hayat Boumeddiene left France some time ago for Turkey.
She was not in Paris during the terrorist attacks.
Hayat Moumeddiene may now be in the Syria-Iraq Caliphate.
The Jerusalem Post reported:
wrong person?
thegatewaypundit
hmmmm
Report: French Terrorist HAYAT BOUMEDDIENE May Now Be in Syria ISIS Caliphate
There are reports that Hayat Boumeddiene left France some time ago for Turkey.
She was not in Paris during the terrorist attacks.
Hayat Moumeddiene may now be in the Syria-Iraq Caliphate.
The Jerusalem Post reported:
wrong person?
thegatewaypundit
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 01:58 PM (IXrOn)
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No True Mussulman
Hey! Leave me outta this!
Hey! Leave me outta this!
Posted by: zombie charles atlas at January 10, 2015 01:59 PM (L6/+u)
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Bottom line: Islam has much more in common with Leftism than it does with any religion, especially Christianity.
Conclusion: Islam, like Leftism, is an ideology, not a religion.
Bottom line: Islam has much more in common with Leftism than it does with any religion, especially Christianity.
Conclusion: Islam, like Leftism, is an ideology, not a religion.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:00 PM (d26lo)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 02:00 PM (g/zj9)
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:01 PM (d26lo)
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Doing that will set Islam back centuries.
*****
Wouldn't that be like throwing Brer Rabbit in the briar patch?
Right where they want to be, eh?
*****
Wouldn't that be like throwing Brer Rabbit in the briar patch?
Right where they want to be, eh?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2015 02:01 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:01 PM (d26lo)
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the Christian *needs* Christ
the Muslim is fine to the extent he or she submits entirely
including submission to sharia
the Muslim is fine to the extent he or she submits entirely
including submission to sharia
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 02:02 PM (g/zj9)
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How hypocritical.
One month ago on this blog (together with other replies) I complained about the view that Nazis persecuted gheys for their sexuality (history revisionism by homo orgs as a plot device to picture themselves as victims). I was berated and I was object of a slanderous post just to make the blogger feel good about his chivalry on what he considered an oppressed minority (which is ANYTHING but oppressed).
I see a lot of parallels with this Islamic situation, so how can the people who refuse to condemn homofascism (and the lies spread by the homofascists including berating the conservatives that do not conform into believing the lies of homofascists) demand from their pulpit to point the fingers at the protectors of islamofascism?
After all islam and homosexualism are bedfellows in removing western religions from the sphere and marginalise people who think differently.
One month ago on this blog (together with other replies) I complained about the view that Nazis persecuted gheys for their sexuality (history revisionism by homo orgs as a plot device to picture themselves as victims). I was berated and I was object of a slanderous post just to make the blogger feel good about his chivalry on what he considered an oppressed minority (which is ANYTHING but oppressed).
I see a lot of parallels with this Islamic situation, so how can the people who refuse to condemn homofascism (and the lies spread by the homofascists including berating the conservatives that do not conform into believing the lies of homofascists) demand from their pulpit to point the fingers at the protectors of islamofascism?
After all islam and homosexualism are bedfellows in removing western religions from the sphere and marginalise people who think differently.
Posted by: fromabroad at January 10, 2015 02:03 PM (wm65e)
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"Islam with Personal Responsibility would be like Christianity with Hate; yes they exist, but not mainstream."
Islam has much in common with Reformed theology/Augustinianism, particularly Calvinism. Both are utterly fatalistic theologies wherein one cannot know for sure he has ever done enough to please his god enough to avoid Hell (Calvinists because no one can know for sure he's elect...Islam because Allah does not love). In that sense, the most consistent adherents (hyper-Calvinists and "extreme" [i.e., consistent] Muslims] despise the idea of free will and choice; they don't exist. That line of thinking can free you up to do all kinds of nasty things in the name of an idol...look into Calvin's Geneva.
Islam has much in common with Reformed theology/Augustinianism, particularly Calvinism. Both are utterly fatalistic theologies wherein one cannot know for sure he has ever done enough to please his god enough to avoid Hell (Calvinists because no one can know for sure he's elect...Islam because Allah does not love). In that sense, the most consistent adherents (hyper-Calvinists and "extreme" [i.e., consistent] Muslims] despise the idea of free will and choice; they don't exist. That line of thinking can free you up to do all kinds of nasty things in the name of an idol...look into Calvin's Geneva.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:03 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 02:04 PM (g/zj9)
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I respectfully disagree with your take on Calvinism, but I don't wish to use this forum as a debate arena.
Let me just say that Calvinism has nothing to do with Islam.
Let me just say that Calvinism has nothing to do with Islam.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:06 PM (dFi94)
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119 a Christian falls in love with Christ
a Muslim submits to Allah (b'aal)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 02:04 PM (g/zj9)
Bingo. You even got his name right, as so few people do.
a Muslim submits to Allah (b'aal)
Posted by: Feh at January 10, 2015 02:04 PM (g/zj9)
Bingo. You even got his name right, as so few people do.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:08 PM (dFi94)
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Do I believe many, if any, US politicians or "leaders" will change from saying "religion of peace" to "cult of terror"?
No.
Do I believe many, if any, US politicians or "leaders" will change from saying "religion of peace" to "cult of terror"?
No.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (Qs8ZN)
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (zt+N6)
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They are alike only insofar as they're both fatalistic and, as such, deny personal responsibility because the existence of truly free will is DENIED. Muslims believe Allah has preordained ALL that occurs; the Reformed (and others) believe the God of the Bible has done the same. Really consistent Calvinists agree with Calvin who did teach double predestination. Both are wrong, and both ideas, if taken seriously, can and have led to much atrocity. That was my only point.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:10 PM (bGLSw)
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102>> Dearborn, MI = France
I live roughly next door to Dearborn. There the Islamic culture has become dominant, but it has suborned the police and struck a relatively peaceful bargain with the surrounding communities.
In France, it seems the police have been ejected and Jews are coming under increasing attacks. Here in the Detroit area we have several large cultures, including Orthodox Jews, pretty much getting along.
But, what I have observed is that Islamic enclaves often behave well until they reach a certain majority status, then it is a small step to demands for Sharia and autonomy.
I don't know if they can be stable long term and mistrust them more than ever after what I read about in Toronto.
I live roughly next door to Dearborn. There the Islamic culture has become dominant, but it has suborned the police and struck a relatively peaceful bargain with the surrounding communities.
In France, it seems the police have been ejected and Jews are coming under increasing attacks. Here in the Detroit area we have several large cultures, including Orthodox Jews, pretty much getting along.
But, what I have observed is that Islamic enclaves often behave well until they reach a certain majority status, then it is a small step to demands for Sharia and autonomy.
I don't know if they can be stable long term and mistrust them more than ever after what I read about in Toronto.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 02:10 PM (4fjKI)
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To a Muslim a non-Muslim is like a dog. That's why it's okay to kill you if need be...you're not really a person.
That's no religion. There are no concrete similarities between Islam and any part of Christianity whatsoever.
To a Muslim a non-Muslim is like a dog. That's why it's okay to kill you if need be...you're not really a person.
That's no religion. There are no concrete similarities between Islam and any part of Christianity whatsoever.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:10 PM (d26lo)
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>>>Think of it this way. I knew quite a few Catholics in high school and
college. Most of them were sexually active before they were married. A
few weren't. Catholic dogma proscribes per-marital sex. Which group of
people, the abstinent or the sexually active, were "true" Catholics and
which group weren't?<<<
Good analogy. Wonder if this one might not be a bit stronger?
Catholic dogma sees abortion as murder. So if good/true Catholics would not have/strongly oppose the murderous practice, then people like Pelousy and Swimmer Kennedy, etc are not good/true Catholics.
They would be the equivalent of terrorist Catholics, condoning and promoting and helping facilitate a practice that their faith sees as abhorrent, as they claim true Muslims see the actions of the Islamonazis.
college. Most of them were sexually active before they were married. A
few weren't. Catholic dogma proscribes per-marital sex. Which group of
people, the abstinent or the sexually active, were "true" Catholics and
which group weren't?<<<
Good analogy. Wonder if this one might not be a bit stronger?
Catholic dogma sees abortion as murder. So if good/true Catholics would not have/strongly oppose the murderous practice, then people like Pelousy and Swimmer Kennedy, etc are not good/true Catholics.
They would be the equivalent of terrorist Catholics, condoning and promoting and helping facilitate a practice that their faith sees as abhorrent, as they claim true Muslims see the actions of the Islamonazis.
Posted by: Gamma-ray Burst 2016 at January 10, 2015 02:11 PM (t1dCc)
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"Facing reality with all it's subtle nuances is hard, and explaining that reality in a calm, rational manner is harder still." Um. I notice the all of leftist ideology is in fact based on exactly this fact. Unicorn farts and skittles. Opposition to fraking? global warming? nuclear power? gay marriage? executive action? Fergeson? It is all imaganry world building. The problem with opposing Islamic fanatics is a) its personally dangerous and b) doesn't make them feel very good about themselves. They cannot tolerate both. They are very very brave when they feel there is no risk. They can be very very brave when they result is self-affirming. But they must have one or the other.
Posted by: Dr. McCoy at January 10, 2015 02:11 PM (AEmBy)
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122
Do I believe many, if any, US politicians or "leaders" will change from saying "religion of peace" to "cult of terror"?
No.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (Qs8ZN)
I wonder if Bobby Jindal might. I don't know why, but his name popped into my head.
Do I believe many, if any, US politicians or "leaders" will change from saying "religion of peace" to "cult of terror"?
No.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (Qs8ZN)
I wonder if Bobby Jindal might. I don't know why, but his name popped into my head.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:11 PM (dFi94)
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in other news
Venezuelans Throng Grocery Stores Under Military Protection
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Shoppers thronged grocery stores across Caracas today as deepening shortages led the government to put Venezuela's food distribution under military protection.
...
"You can't find anything, I've spent 15 days looking for diapers," Jean Paul Mate, a meat vendor, said outside the Luvebras store. "You have to take off work to look for products. I go to at least five stores a day."
...
"This is the worst it has ever been -- I've seen lines thousands of people long," Greisly Jarpe, a 42-year-old data analyst, said as she waited for dish soap in eastern Caracas. "People are so desperate they're sleeping in the lines."
newsbusters.org
Venezuelans Throng Grocery Stores Under Military Protection
...
Shoppers thronged grocery stores across Caracas today as deepening shortages led the government to put Venezuela's food distribution under military protection.
...
"You can't find anything, I've spent 15 days looking for diapers," Jean Paul Mate, a meat vendor, said outside the Luvebras store. "You have to take off work to look for products. I go to at least five stores a day."
...
"This is the worst it has ever been -- I've seen lines thousands of people long," Greisly Jarpe, a 42-year-old data analyst, said as she waited for dish soap in eastern Caracas. "People are so desperate they're sleeping in the lines."
newsbusters.org
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 02:12 PM (IXrOn)
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Shoppers thronged grocery stores across Caracas today as deepening shortages led the government to put Venezuela's food distribution under military protection.
Socialism always does this.
Socialism always does this.
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 02:13 PM (MMC8r)
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more from newsbusters story
Well, that settles it. Since the AP didn't report it, we must conclude that the country's accelerating descent into socialist tyranny couldn't possibly be the cause of its serious economic problems. That high inflation rate (an annualized 60 percent or so) just sort of showed up out of nowhere; no one has any idea where it came from. And that overdependence on oil has nothing to do with the state-run oil company's inefficiency, or the fact that most other industries have either been crippled or nationalized.
Well, that settles it. Since the AP didn't report it, we must conclude that the country's accelerating descent into socialist tyranny couldn't possibly be the cause of its serious economic problems. That high inflation rate (an annualized 60 percent or so) just sort of showed up out of nowhere; no one has any idea where it came from. And that overdependence on oil has nothing to do with the state-run oil company's inefficiency, or the fact that most other industries have either been crippled or nationalized.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 02:14 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:14 PM (d26lo)
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I left this in an earlier thread that I got to late, but it belongs here as well:
115 17 If The State can not protect the population from invasion, and if The State can not keep lawful order within the society then there is no reason to have a State nor pay the taxes that fund it.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2015 10:07 AM (F7fvt)
And what if the State is actually aiding and abetting the invasion?
I hope I live long enough to see treason trials and public executions for the political "leaders" throughout the West who are not only "allowing" this but cfuking INSISTING on it.
115 17 If The State can not protect the population from invasion, and if The State can not keep lawful order within the society then there is no reason to have a State nor pay the taxes that fund it.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2015 10:07 AM (F7fvt)
And what if the State is actually aiding and abetting the invasion?
I hope I live long enough to see treason trials and public executions for the political "leaders" throughout the West who are not only "allowing" this but cfuking INSISTING on it.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 02:15 PM (sdi6R)
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artisanal 'ette:
Standard effect of price controls in the face of inflation. The gas lines of the 70's were the result of gasoline price controls. They weren't allowed to raise the price at the pump in response to higher oil prices, so they stopped making gas.
Standard effect of price controls in the face of inflation. The gas lines of the 70's were the result of gasoline price controls. They weren't allowed to raise the price at the pump in response to higher oil prices, so they stopped making gas.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 10, 2015 02:16 PM (6ROe1)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 02:16 PM (MMC8r)
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>>>What did the Venezuelan govt do with all their oil money??
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:14 PM (d26lo)<<<
Hey, shoulder parrots aren't cheep.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:14 PM (d26lo)<<<
Hey, shoulder parrots aren't cheep.
Posted by: zombie Hugo Chavez at January 10, 2015 02:16 PM (t1dCc)
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Fun fact: Jean-Marie Le Pen was once fined 10,000 Euros for inciting racial hatred by saying (trans.) :
The day that we have in France not just 5 million but 25 million Muslims, it will be them in charge.The French will hug their walls in fear, step down from the sidewalks to the street, and lower their eyes. If they don't, they'll be told, 'Why are you looking at me like that, buddy, you searching for a fight?'
The day that we have in France not just 5 million but 25 million Muslims, it will be them in charge.The French will hug their walls in fear, step down from the sidewalks to the street, and lower their eyes. If they don't, they'll be told, 'Why are you looking at me like that, buddy, you searching for a fight?'
Posted by: RioBravo at January 10, 2015 02:17 PM (z27Ny)
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To a Muslim a non-Muslim is like a dog. That's why it's okay to kill you if need be...you're not really a person.
That's no religion. There are no concrete similarities between Islam and any part of Christianity whatsoever.
* * *
You're free to believe that, but I can point you to several quotes from Calvin's Institutes where he unapologetically stated that reprobates [unbelievers] were created specifically for God's pleasure and glory in damning them, and that they have no real hope of salvation because Christ's blood was not shed for them, but only for the historically minute minority of Elect. Now if you want to talk about what is and is not Christianity, THAT is NOT Christianity. But it IS Reformed theology and in that limited sense, it has more in common with the Koran and the hadith than with the Word of God.
That's no religion. There are no concrete similarities between Islam and any part of Christianity whatsoever.
* * *
You're free to believe that, but I can point you to several quotes from Calvin's Institutes where he unapologetically stated that reprobates [unbelievers] were created specifically for God's pleasure and glory in damning them, and that they have no real hope of salvation because Christ's blood was not shed for them, but only for the historically minute minority of Elect. Now if you want to talk about what is and is not Christianity, THAT is NOT Christianity. But it IS Reformed theology and in that limited sense, it has more in common with the Koran and the hadith than with the Word of God.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:18 PM (bGLSw)
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Standard effect of price controls in the face of inflation. The gas lines of the 70's were the result of gasoline price controls. They weren't allowed to raise the price at the pump in response to higher oil prices, so they stopped making gas.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 10, 2015 02:16 PM (6ROe1)
The article states they have been meeting with OPEC, basically begging them to coordinate and "drive up oil prices." But, failing to do so.
hehe.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 10, 2015 02:16 PM (6ROe1)
The article states they have been meeting with OPEC, basically begging them to coordinate and "drive up oil prices." But, failing to do so.
hehe.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 02:19 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:19 PM (Qs8ZN)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 02:20 PM (IXrOn)
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117 How hypocritical.
One month ago on this blog (together with other replies) I complained about the view that Nazis persecuted gheys for their sexuality (history revisionism by homo orgs as a plot device to picture themselves as victims). I was berated and I was object of a slanderous post just to make the blogger feel good about his chivalry on what he considered an oppressed minority (which is ANYTHING but oppressed).
I see a lot of parallels with this Islamic situation, so how can the people who refuse to condemn homofascism (and the lies spread by the homofascists including berating the conservatives that do not conform into believing the lies of homofascists) demand from their pulpit to point the fingers at the protectors of islamofascism?
After all islam and homosexualism are bedfellows in removing western religions from the sphere and marginalise people who think differently.
Posted by: fromabroad at January 10, 2015 02:03 PM (wm65e)
Good rant. Now go bake a cake for Mr. and Mr. Homoerectious.
One month ago on this blog (together with other replies) I complained about the view that Nazis persecuted gheys for their sexuality (history revisionism by homo orgs as a plot device to picture themselves as victims). I was berated and I was object of a slanderous post just to make the blogger feel good about his chivalry on what he considered an oppressed minority (which is ANYTHING but oppressed).
I see a lot of parallels with this Islamic situation, so how can the people who refuse to condemn homofascism (and the lies spread by the homofascists including berating the conservatives that do not conform into believing the lies of homofascists) demand from their pulpit to point the fingers at the protectors of islamofascism?
After all islam and homosexualism are bedfellows in removing western religions from the sphere and marginalise people who think differently.
Posted by: fromabroad at January 10, 2015 02:03 PM (wm65e)
Good rant. Now go bake a cake for Mr. and Mr. Homoerectious.
Posted by: Havedash at January 10, 2015 02:20 PM (ZlE0f)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 02:21 PM (MMC8r)
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I wonder what HCarles HJonsen has to say about all this. He had it in for La Pen long ago IIRC. I wonder what his take on this massacre is? But not enough to go over there and look.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:21 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 02:25 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 10, 2015 02:26 PM (XzRw1)
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Most here believe that Islam is at war with the West (western 'free' societies). What I continue to see in this war (in Europe, Russia, the US) is if you use body count as winning or losing, the muzzies would be winning. In Paris, we have 17 dead vs 3. At Fort Hood there was not even 1 on the bad guy side. Let's not forget that the market terrorist tried to get a Jewish school first (ala Beslan).
If you use territory, then it is mostly even.
Most here believe that Islam is at war with the West (western 'free' societies). What I continue to see in this war (in Europe, Russia, the US) is if you use body count as winning or losing, the muzzies would be winning. In Paris, we have 17 dead vs 3. At Fort Hood there was not even 1 on the bad guy side. Let's not forget that the market terrorist tried to get a Jewish school first (ala Beslan).
If you use territory, then it is mostly even.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:27 PM (Qs8ZN)
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Posted by: --- at January 10, 2015 02:25 PM (MMC8r)
My 5 year old granddaughter takes better pictures on my iPhone. Maybe I'll try and see if she can put together a calendar. Or a decent blog.
My 5 year old granddaughter takes better pictures on my iPhone. Maybe I'll try and see if she can put together a calendar. Or a decent blog.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:27 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (IXrOn)
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Have read the thread. Just got an email with this speech Churchill made in
1899
"How
dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly
systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of
property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A
degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the
next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every
woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a
child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of
slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among
men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence
of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No
stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund,
Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already
spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every
step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms
of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the
civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of
ancient Rome." Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).
1899
"How
dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly
systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of
property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A
degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the
next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every
woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a
child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of
slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among
men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence
of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No
stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund,
Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already
spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every
step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms
of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the
civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of
ancient Rome." Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (0FSuD)
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Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 01:44 PM (bGLSw)
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If you want an example of how we are being mentally disarmed you only need to watch a few 'old' movies! Caddy shack could never be made today. Political correctness is poison.
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If you want an example of how we are being mentally disarmed you only need to watch a few 'old' movies! Caddy shack could never be made today. Political correctness is poison.
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (wWs6x)
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But, what I have observed is that Islamic enclaves often behave well until they reach a certain majority status, then it is a small step to demands for Sharia and autonomy.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 02:10 PM (4fjKI)
The pattern has been repeated time and time again since the birth of Islam. It is as predictable as the sunrise:
1. When Muslims are a tiny portion of the population, they are meek, keep to themselves, and say "We just want the right to practice our religion in peace."
2. As their numbers grow, say around 5%, they begin making demands on the larger society, such as cab drivers shouldn't have to pick up passengers with alcohol or seeing-eye dogs, store clerks shouldn't have to handle pork products, footbaths in public restrooms, sharia law in Muslim neighborhoods, etc. They use the larger society's legal system and our sense of tolerance against us, Alinsky-style.
3. When their population reaches about 10%, they begin using violence, which only increases. This often causes non-Muslims to flee elsewhere, and hastens the ultimate Muslim takeover of the society.
4. Once Muslims are in charge, then it's convert, pay the jizya, or be killed.
Every. Fucking. Time.
But, what I have observed is that Islamic enclaves often behave well until they reach a certain majority status, then it is a small step to demands for Sharia and autonomy.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 02:10 PM (4fjKI)
The pattern has been repeated time and time again since the birth of Islam. It is as predictable as the sunrise:
1. When Muslims are a tiny portion of the population, they are meek, keep to themselves, and say "We just want the right to practice our religion in peace."
2. As their numbers grow, say around 5%, they begin making demands on the larger society, such as cab drivers shouldn't have to pick up passengers with alcohol or seeing-eye dogs, store clerks shouldn't have to handle pork products, footbaths in public restrooms, sharia law in Muslim neighborhoods, etc. They use the larger society's legal system and our sense of tolerance against us, Alinsky-style.
3. When their population reaches about 10%, they begin using violence, which only increases. This often causes non-Muslims to flee elsewhere, and hastens the ultimate Muslim takeover of the society.
4. Once Muslims are in charge, then it's convert, pay the jizya, or be killed.
Every. Fucking. Time.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (sdi6R)
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Unless you're prepared to totally destroy your enemy, there isn't any sense in going to war.
The left hasn't had the stomach/balls to do that since Truman was prezzy. Now we have to engage them in meaningful conversation and empathize with them. Fuk that. Kill 'em all. Every last one of them.
The left hasn't had the stomach/balls to do that since Truman was prezzy. Now we have to engage them in meaningful conversation and empathize with them. Fuk that. Kill 'em all. Every last one of them.
Posted by: Hank at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (HZEIo)
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>>But not enough to go over there and look.
Posted by: grammie winger
What? You don't want to see the latest pictures of a rusty fence?
Posted by: grammie winger
What? You don't want to see the latest pictures of a rusty fence?
Posted by: Hank Johnson at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (3rrMW)
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Gracious and Loving Lord! On a post about Islam someone is posting on the evils of Calvinism.?!! Is this Hector again? JUST STOP IT. STOP IT. It is off topic and it is inflammatory. Calvin has been dead for hundreds of years. Catholics in America are in no danger from Protestants although there are bigoted people on both sides of the "aisle" Christians in America are in more danger from secular leftists that they are from other Christians. I call this a divisive tactic. I am not convinced that it's not a leftist trying to stir up trouble and I'm calling you our, "Just a guy." Christ came so that we all might be one. Start acting like we are if you proclaim the mantle of Christian.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:30 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:30 PM (dFi94)
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The analogy with Catholics and their sexual habits before Marriage and Muslim opinion was downright bizzare.
Posted by: Gene Kelly at January 10, 2015 02:30 PM (eedLh)
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We are well into Stage 2 in the U.S., and on the cusp of Stage 3 in Europe.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 02:30 PM (sdi6R)
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What I continue to see in this war (in Europe, Russia, the US) is if you use body count as winning or losing, the muzzies would be winning.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:27 PM (Qs8ZN)
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If you add the Moscow theater hostages we killed with our gas in 2002 to our totals, the numbers look more favorable.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 10, 2015 02:27 PM (Qs8ZN)
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If you add the Moscow theater hostages we killed with our gas in 2002 to our totals, the numbers look more favorable.
Posted by: FSB Spetsnaz at January 10, 2015 02:31 PM (z27Ny)
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No need to stifle debate. We are, after all, not Muslims.
No need to stifle debate. We are, after all, not Muslims.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:35 PM (d26lo)
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He can say anything damn fool thing he wants to and I can vociferously object. The type of posts devolve into something that is not uplifting and bring out the worst in people. Love Christ, love your church. love other people but don't bring division amongst Christians.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:39 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2015 02:40 PM (3rrMW)
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"Christ came so that we all might be one."
Who is "we"? If you think you're one of God's eternally elected Elect, according to Calvin himself and every Reformed theologian since, then yeah, fine. But the nonelect - the vast majority of perishing humanity which the Bible says Christ came to save - has zero hope, even if they hear and appear to believe the Gospel for a time. Because Christ didn't die FOR THEM.
That is not Christianity. Well...not Biblical faith in Christ, anyway. But it IS Reformed theology, and goes right back to the alleged prehistoric, immutable decrees of God Himself.
Fatalism. Just like Islam.
Every word I said is factual and verifiable. If you don't like it, too bad.
Who is "we"? If you think you're one of God's eternally elected Elect, according to Calvin himself and every Reformed theologian since, then yeah, fine. But the nonelect - the vast majority of perishing humanity which the Bible says Christ came to save - has zero hope, even if they hear and appear to believe the Gospel for a time. Because Christ didn't die FOR THEM.
That is not Christianity. Well...not Biblical faith in Christ, anyway. But it IS Reformed theology, and goes right back to the alleged prehistoric, immutable decrees of God Himself.
Fatalism. Just like Islam.
Every word I said is factual and verifiable. If you don't like it, too bad.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:42 PM (bGLSw)
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>>Seems to be a fair number of folks from then that post here.
I never understood the interest in LGF. It is a boring blog run by a guy who is an average thinker and writer at best with an enormous and unwarranted ego.
I never understood the interest in LGF. It is a boring blog run by a guy who is an average thinker and writer at best with an enormous and unwarranted ego.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 02:42 PM (g1DWB)
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157 Gracious and Loving Lord! On a post about Islam someone is posting on the evils of Calvinism.?!!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:30 PM (DXzRD)
Musta been one of those effing Papists.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:30 PM (DXzRD)
Musta been one of those effing Papists.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 02:43 PM (sdi6R)
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And my bona fides: I'm a Bible-only fundamentalist who was steeped in Calvinism during my early Christian years. By God's grace, I was freed from that wicked idolatry. So I know what I'm talking about. Do you?
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:44 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:44 PM (d26lo)
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I never understood the interest in LGF. It is a boring blog run by a guy who is an average thinker and writer at best with an enormous and unwarranted ego.
But it had great commenters. Much like here. In fact, most of us ARE here.
I never understood the interest in LGF. It is a boring blog run by a guy who is an average thinker and writer at best with an enormous and unwarranted ego.
But it had great commenters. Much like here. In fact, most of us ARE here.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:44 PM (dFi94)
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Because of course, now that's a major problem we have in the US today. In a country where the church has less and left influence there are supposedly loads of Calvinists who want to establish a theocracy and murder Catholics, and conversely load of Catholics who want to establish something along the lines of Savanarola/sarc. PLEEZE. Keeo your eyes on the prize of the upward calling in Jesus Christ, don't bring these discussions in a thread that has nothing to do with it and belongs more on site for religious squabbles.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:45 PM (DXzRD)
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I never understood the interest in LGF. It is a boring blog run by a guy who is an average thinker and writer at best with an enormous and unwarranted ego.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 02:42 PM (g1DWB)
Believe it or not, it was the best blog on the internet once upon a time.
There's a reason why so many of us ended up here: Because it feels like our old home.
I never understood the interest in LGF. It is a boring blog run by a guy who is an average thinker and writer at best with an enormous and unwarranted ego.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 02:42 PM (g1DWB)
Believe it or not, it was the best blog on the internet once upon a time.
There's a reason why so many of us ended up here: Because it feels like our old home.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 02:45 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:45 PM (d26lo)
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168 And my bona fides: I'm a Bible-only fundamentalist who was steeped in Calvinism during my early Christian years. By God's grace, I was freed from that wicked idolatry. So I know what I'm talking about. Do you?
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:44 PM (bGLSw)
Let it go.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:44 PM (bGLSw)
Let it go.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:45 PM (dFi94)
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>>But it had great commenters. Much like here. In fact, most of us ARE here
Back then the comments were more informative than the content.
Back then the comments were more informative than the content.
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2015 02:46 PM (3rrMW)
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Time to go vittles shopping.
Time to go vittles shopping.
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:47 PM (d26lo)
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Back then the comments were more informative than the content.
When Chuck started getting into the comments, that's when it started going south, big time.
Back then the comments were more informative than the content.
When Chuck started getting into the comments, that's when it started going south, big time.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:48 PM (dFi94)
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Well done. However, I think you have read a bit much into the left's motivations. Specifically, the "build a socialist Utopia" part. It's a smokescreen, because they know that the rest of civilized society won't stand for their real motivation.
I've seen little to indicate that the left is interested in actually BUILDING anything. What really gets the left's glands secreting and nipples hard is destruction. Pure destruction. To cite my usual example, that's why Che left Cuba so soon after the revolution. He realized that it was a lot more fun to blow trains up than to do the hard work of making them run on time.
They ally themselves with the mohammedans because of the common interest in destruction. Where they diverge is that the mohammedans actually have a very real interest in what comes afterwards. The left simply assumes that there will always be something else around for them to destroy, so there will always be some Other that they can struggle against.
Well done. However, I think you have read a bit much into the left's motivations. Specifically, the "build a socialist Utopia" part. It's a smokescreen, because they know that the rest of civilized society won't stand for their real motivation.
I've seen little to indicate that the left is interested in actually BUILDING anything. What really gets the left's glands secreting and nipples hard is destruction. Pure destruction. To cite my usual example, that's why Che left Cuba so soon after the revolution. He realized that it was a lot more fun to blow trains up than to do the hard work of making them run on time.
They ally themselves with the mohammedans because of the common interest in destruction. Where they diverge is that the mohammedans actually have a very real interest in what comes afterwards. The left simply assumes that there will always be something else around for them to destroy, so there will always be some Other that they can struggle against.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 10, 2015 02:48 PM (krgKs)
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Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:44 PM (bGLSw)
Give me a freakin break. You're a troll. You're a beloved child of God but you're trying to stir up trouble. I recall your handle from other posts. Some MO.
I'm done. If other people want to engage in this stupidity go ahead.
Give me a freakin break. You're a troll. You're a beloved child of God but you're trying to stir up trouble. I recall your handle from other posts. Some MO.
I'm done. If other people want to engage in this stupidity go ahead.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:48 PM (DXzRD)
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>>Believe it or not, it was the best blog on the internet once upon a time.
I used to read it from time to time. I never thought it touched this place on its best day. I guess I just always felt like Johnson was a thin skinned douche who demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment. Sort of like all lefties.
Now if we can just get ace to bring the funny the way he used to....
I used to read it from time to time. I never thought it touched this place on its best day. I guess I just always felt like Johnson was a thin skinned douche who demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment. Sort of like all lefties.
Now if we can just get ace to bring the funny the way he used to....
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 02:49 PM (g1DWB)
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_If one is not actively against the mussulmans, he, in some way, is facilitating them.
Your husband is a terrorist but you are not. And you feed him instead of driving a spike through his head you are also a terrorist.
Your husband is a terrorist but you are not. And you feed him instead of driving a spike through his head you are also a terrorist.
Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 02:51 PM (a4/Ug)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 10, 2015 02:52 PM (0Ew3K)
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"there are supposedly loads of Calvinists who want to establish a theocracy"
Not supposedly. They very much exist. They go by various names...theonomists, restorationists, Kingdom Now, etc. Some are more overtly "Christian" than others but they're allied and are willing (if they're ever able) to enforce the Mosaic Law onto everyone else, on pain of death, which they believe they're chosen and preordained to do.
Sound familiar? Yet another similarity, wouldn't you say?
Point is, Islam IS the preeminent threat...well, #2 after the Left. But they are by no means the ONLY threats to us. Awareness that such people exist, whoever they are, is necessary if we love the liberty God has granted us. I'd like to think we all agree on *that* point, if on nothing else.
Not supposedly. They very much exist. They go by various names...theonomists, restorationists, Kingdom Now, etc. Some are more overtly "Christian" than others but they're allied and are willing (if they're ever able) to enforce the Mosaic Law onto everyone else, on pain of death, which they believe they're chosen and preordained to do.
Sound familiar? Yet another similarity, wouldn't you say?
Point is, Islam IS the preeminent threat...well, #2 after the Left. But they are by no means the ONLY threats to us. Awareness that such people exist, whoever they are, is necessary if we love the liberty God has granted us. I'd like to think we all agree on *that* point, if on nothing else.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:52 PM (bGLSw)
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>>I guess I just always felt like Johnson was a thin skinned douche who demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment.
Wasn't always that way.
Wasn't always that way.
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2015 02:52 PM (3rrMW)
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I guess I just always felt like Johnson was a thin skinned douche who
demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment.
Sort of like all lefties.
So AllahP is really C. Johnson?
demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment.
Sort of like all lefties.
So AllahP is really C. Johnson?
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 10, 2015 02:53 PM (XzRw1)
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"The analogy with Catholics and their sexual habits before Marriage and Muslim opinion was downright bizzare."
its a fucking stupid analogy. Fucking before marriage does not hurt anybody except at most the 2 people at a conscience level.
To establish if someone is a true muslim you only need to know if he believes the word of Muhammad is eternal and immutable, including slaying the infidels wherever you are or offer them to convert or die or pay the jyzia.
its a fucking stupid analogy. Fucking before marriage does not hurt anybody except at most the 2 people at a conscience level.
To establish if someone is a true muslim you only need to know if he believes the word of Muhammad is eternal and immutable, including slaying the infidels wherever you are or offer them to convert or die or pay the jyzia.
Posted by: fromabroad at January 10, 2015 02:53 PM (wm65e)
Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 02:54 PM (a4/Ug)
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Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 02:52 PM (bGLSw)
I would just like to go on the record and say I've been around Christians who would describe themselves as Calvinists all my long life, and I think this is a Lot of hoo haw.
I would just like to go on the record and say I've been around Christians who would describe themselves as Calvinists all my long life, and I think this is a Lot of hoo haw.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:56 PM (dFi94)
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And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:57 PM (dFi94)
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The language he uses is straight from the leftist playbook on division. He even uses the same terms about (Cue scary Music) about scary Clavinist gouts. This guy does the same thing every time he posts, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 02:59 PM (DXzRD)
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They very much exist. They go by various names...theonomists, restorationists, Kingdom Now, etc.
Where are these people? I've never even heard of these groups. Is this a Yankee thing?
Where are these people? I've never even heard of these groups. Is this a Yankee thing?
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 02:59 PM (rwI+c)
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Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:56 PM (dFi94)
You are much gentler than I am, grammie. Thx for the example
You are much gentler than I am, grammie. Thx for the example
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 03:00 PM (DXzRD)
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180 >>Believe it or not, it was the best blog on the internet once upon a time.
I used to read it from time to time. I never thought it touched this place on its best day. I guess I just always felt like Johnson was a thin skinned douche who demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment. Sort of like all lefties.
When were you reading it? I was there from about 2003-4 to 2007. He wasn't always like that. It used to be considered a conservative site. I don't know what happened to him.
I know that AoS started in 2004, but I didn't get here until much later, maybe around 2009 or so.
Now if we can just get ace to bring the funny the way he used to....
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 02:49 PM (g1DWB)
His tweets yesterday were hilarious.
I used to read it from time to time. I never thought it touched this place on its best day. I guess I just always felt like Johnson was a thin skinned douche who demanded total conformity to his mind thoughts or it was banishment. Sort of like all lefties.
When were you reading it? I was there from about 2003-4 to 2007. He wasn't always like that. It used to be considered a conservative site. I don't know what happened to him.
I know that AoS started in 2004, but I didn't get here until much later, maybe around 2009 or so.
Now if we can just get ace to bring the funny the way he used to....
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 02:49 PM (g1DWB)
His tweets yesterday were hilarious.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 03:01 PM (sdi6R)
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FWIW CJ gets quite a bit of credit for the takedown of Dan Rather's National Guard document forgery. Ended Dan's career it did.
I too habited LGF and the enduring mystery to me is CJ's 180. I had left the site around 2006? and when I revisited a couple years later it was like pod people had taken them.
I too habited LGF and the enduring mystery to me is CJ's 180. I had left the site around 2006? and when I revisited a couple years later it was like pod people had taken them.
Posted by: JD Will at January 10, 2015 03:01 PM (4fjKI)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 03:01 PM (DXzRD)
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"I would just like to go on the record and say I've been around
Christians who would describe themselves as Calvinists all my long life,
and I think this is a Lot of hoo haw."
Test all things, then. Ask your Calvinist friends if the words "world" and "whosoever" in John 3:16 really mean what they say: does every human being who hears the Gospel of Christ have the opportunity and chance to believe and be saved?
The social Calvinist (someone who just happens to attend a Reformed church but knows little or nothing) will say, "Well, sure they do."
The causally informed Calvinist will get uneasy and very likely avoid the question.
The committed, informed Calvinist will say "Absolutely not, it means only the elect, not every single human who hears it."
Try for yourself and see.
Christians who would describe themselves as Calvinists all my long life,
and I think this is a Lot of hoo haw."
Test all things, then. Ask your Calvinist friends if the words "world" and "whosoever" in John 3:16 really mean what they say: does every human being who hears the Gospel of Christ have the opportunity and chance to believe and be saved?
The social Calvinist (someone who just happens to attend a Reformed church but knows little or nothing) will say, "Well, sure they do."
The causally informed Calvinist will get uneasy and very likely avoid the question.
The committed, informed Calvinist will say "Absolutely not, it means only the elect, not every single human who hears it."
Try for yourself and see.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 03:04 PM (bGLSw)
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FWIW CJ gets quite a bit of credit for the takedown of Dan Rather's National Guard document forgery.
Wasn't it Harry MacDougald aka Buckhead that blew the whistle on NG documents?
Wasn't it Harry MacDougald aka Buckhead that blew the whistle on NG documents?
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 03:04 PM (rwI+c)
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IIRC, the bannings started in late 2006, when a bunch of well-respected regulars were given the axe. It was practically a Night of the Long Knives. I left on my own a few months later.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 03:04 PM (sdi6R)
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>>I too habited LGF and the enduring mystery to me is CJ's 180.
He was a leftist that was mugged by 9/11. It didn't completely take and eventually some of the leftyness started oozing to the surface.
He was a leftist that was mugged by 9/11. It didn't completely take and eventually some of the leftyness started oozing to the surface.
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2015 03:04 PM (3rrMW)
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>>When were you reading it? I was there from about 2003-4 to 2007. He wasn't always like that. It used to be considered a conservative site. I don't know what happened to him.
It was during that period I guess.
No biggie, I just never found him all that entertaining.
It was during that period I guess.
No biggie, I just never found him all that entertaining.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 03:05 PM (g1DWB)
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"The language he uses is straight from the leftist playbook on division.
He even uses the same terms about (Cue scary Music) about scary
Clavinist gouts. This guy does the same thing every time he posts, EVERY
SINGLE TIME."
I have no way to prove that I am only what I said I am, and no more. But if you have such a problem with anything I've posted in this discussion, refute it. Simple enough. But you haven't even tried.
YOU are the one using leftist tactics by appealing to emotion to shut me down.
He even uses the same terms about (Cue scary Music) about scary
Clavinist gouts. This guy does the same thing every time he posts, EVERY
SINGLE TIME."
I have no way to prove that I am only what I said I am, and no more. But if you have such a problem with anything I've posted in this discussion, refute it. Simple enough. But you haven't even tried.
YOU are the one using leftist tactics by appealing to emotion to shut me down.
Posted by: just a guy at January 10, 2015 03:06 PM (bGLSw)
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>>Wasn't it Harry MacDougald aka Buckhead that blew the whistle on NG documents?
Posted by: toby928(C)
Yeah, but CJ gets the credit for creating an animated gif that demonstrated the point so any moron could see it.
Posted by: toby928(C)
Yeah, but CJ gets the credit for creating an animated gif that demonstrated the point so any moron could see it.
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2015 03:07 PM (3rrMW)
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Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 02:54 PM (a4/Ug)
Will they be bringing Hobbes with them? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 03:01 PM (DXzRD)
Whoof.
Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 02:54 PM (a4/Ug)
Will they be bringing Hobbes with them? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 03:01 PM (DXzRD)
Whoof.
Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 03:07 PM (a4/Ug)
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198 IIRC, the bannings started in late 2006, when a bunch of well-respected regulars were given the axe. It was practically a Night of the Long Knives. I left on my own a few months later.
It got particularly vicious one Easter/Passover weekend too. A lot of people got the ax , people that had been there forever. Right out of the blue. Like a crazy man .
Oh well. I like it here at ace.
It got particularly vicious one Easter/Passover weekend too. A lot of people got the ax , people that had been there forever. Right out of the blue. Like a crazy man .
Oh well. I like it here at ace.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 03:08 PM (dFi94)
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Go get your fucking shine box.
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (zt+N6)
No, you get your[/] shine box, dickhead. fromabroad is correct, as far as he goes. islam and militant homosexualism are both vehicles being used by the Left undermine Western Enlightenment values. Example: "homophobia" and "islamophobia" are both ginned-up words designed to marginalize as crazy anyone who objects to the stated goals of these movements.
Go get your fucking shine box.
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (zt+N6)
No, you get your[/] shine box, dickhead. fromabroad is correct, as far as he goes. islam and militant homosexualism are both vehicles being used by the Left undermine Western Enlightenment values. Example: "homophobia" and "islamophobia" are both ginned-up words designed to marginalize as crazy anyone who objects to the stated goals of these movements.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2015 03:09 PM (4k1aC)
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I just have to go Pauline Kael and say that no one I know embraces the concept of the elect except the JWs. Maybe it's regional. Or they meet in secret or something.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 03:09 PM (rwI+c)
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The left is not interested in building anything but power and control over others.
Name one leftist you know that has built a thing. Restored a car? Built his house with his hands? Made a product? I can't think of one. Now getting high paid jobs in government, that they are good at. Oh and destroying things, everything they touch other than government which destroys.
Name one leftist you know that has built a thing. Restored a car? Built his house with his hands? Made a product? I can't think of one. Now getting high paid jobs in government, that they are good at. Oh and destroying things, everything they touch other than government which destroys.
Posted by: Jukin at January 10, 2015 03:12 PM (WGm5T)
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Name one leftist you know that has built a thing.
My friend Carl, rest his soul, was a lefty hippie of the old school. He could do anything with his hands. A real commune type. He was also an elementary school teacher so, six of one.
My friend Carl, rest his soul, was a lefty hippie of the old school. He could do anything with his hands. A real commune type. He was also an elementary school teacher so, six of one.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 10, 2015 03:15 PM (rwI+c)
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I think the fundamental reason the lefties are siding with the Muslims is essentially a rebellion against God, and a repudiation against Jesus in particular. The lefties rejoice in reducing divinity and Truth to a multiple of non-judeochristian religions. We have all noticed that Guia is cooler than Jesus to the leftists. They will champion anyone who defies God and his natural law (LGBT, abortionists as heroes, etc). The first rebellion was in the Garden of Eden where two people made a conscious act to do what they were told not to in the promise of special knowledge. Leftist want that enlightenment, so they have killed God. They think they are going to kill him more by getting rid of the Christian West. What comes from this is the rest of what has been mentioned...leftist running the world in their image, war, death, some people are more equal than others, etc. Once someone kills God in their own life, they often will do all they can to justify that they are right and they try to take as many others with them because misery loves company and Satan wants everyone miserable and hating God. Which incidentally is also what motivates the jihadists... They love death and want everyone to go down with them. Both groups want absolute power. Of course come down to it jihadists will win. Except that I do believe that the actual, real God will have the final say, and both groups will lose. God is in control, His Will will prevail, and it will be like God leading the people out of Egypt...utterly miraculous, no other but Him could take credit.
P.s. I am a lurker, but I read AOS continually for the past couple of years. You guys are like friends though you don't know it. Chin up guys! Keep up the good fight.
P.s. I am a lurker, but I read AOS continually for the past couple of years. You guys are like friends though you don't know it. Chin up guys! Keep up the good fight.
Posted by: Me at January 10, 2015 03:16 PM (tUGnI)
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Shoppers thronged grocery stores across Caracas today as deepening shortages led the government to put Venezuela's food distribution under military protection.
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Mooch ought to go down there and straighten them out.
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Mooch ought to go down there and straighten them out.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 03:16 PM (CQMto)
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200 >>When were you reading it? I was there from about 2003-4 to 2007. He wasn't always like that. It used to be considered a conservative site. I don't know what happened to him.
It was during that period I guess.
No biggie, I just never found him all that entertaining.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 03:05 PM (g1DWB)
CJ's posts were always pretty minimal. It was the commenters that made the site. Until he started killing them off.
Ace and the cobs do much more interesting posts here.
It was during that period I guess.
No biggie, I just never found him all that entertaining.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2015 03:05 PM (g1DWB)
CJ's posts were always pretty minimal. It was the commenters that made the site. Until he started killing them off.
Ace and the cobs do much more interesting posts here.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 03:18 PM (sdi6R)
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What did the Venezuelan govt do with all their oil money??
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:14 PM (d26lo)
http://tinyurl.com/ozhvjeb
Funny thing is, the stupid bastards would have made a mint if they'd have built them for export to the US.
What did the Venezuelan govt do with all their oil money??
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 10, 2015 02:14 PM (d26lo)
http://tinyurl.com/ozhvjeb
Funny thing is, the stupid bastards would have made a mint if they'd have built them for export to the US.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 10, 2015 03:18 PM (krgKs)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 03:20 PM (CQMto)
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Posted by: Me at January 10, 2015 03:16 PM (tUGnI)
Great post. I think you're right, and yes, God is still on the throne, and He will prevail.
Great post. I think you're right, and yes, God is still on the throne, and He will prevail.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 03:20 PM (dFi94)
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Episcopal Bishop charged w/DUI-Manslaughter.
Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 03:21 PM (a4/Ug)
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>>Mooch ought to go down there and straighten them out.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
It would be racist to make her stand in line.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
It would be racist to make her stand in line.
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2015 03:22 PM (3rrMW)
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Posted by: Me at January 10, 2015 03:16 PM (tUGnI)
Thanks for your thoughtful theological post and consider posting more often. :^)
Put on the full armor of God and keep on praying!
Thanks for your thoughtful theological post and consider posting more often. :^)
Put on the full armor of God and keep on praying!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2015 03:23 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: CO at January 10, 2015 03:24 PM (a4/Ug)
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After ten years of wasted time and lives,
14+ years of fighting them mostly over there so we're mostly not fighting them over here is not wasted.
14+ years of fighting them mostly over there so we're mostly not fighting them over here is not wasted.
Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2015 03:25 PM (DL2i+)
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I wonder if Bobby Jindal might. I don't know why, but his name popped into my head.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:11 PM (dFi94
Perhaps because, as a Catholic of Indian Hindu descent, he can hardly be accused of being an oppressive white "colonialist." The Indians have their own history of trouble with Muslims inside and outside their country and I would guess Jindal's far more aware of that history than your average American pol.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2015 02:11 PM (dFi94
Perhaps because, as a Catholic of Indian Hindu descent, he can hardly be accused of being an oppressive white "colonialist." The Indians have their own history of trouble with Muslims inside and outside their country and I would guess Jindal's far more aware of that history than your average American pol.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 10, 2015 03:26 PM (+XMAD)
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From WZ. Blacklivesmatter wackadoodles stop a train on its way to Patriot's AFC playoff game. Way to make friends and influence people.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 10, 2015 03:27 PM (bfh99)
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Islam has been at war with everyone else for 13+ centuries. Expecting it to be fixed (non-nuclearly) in our lifetimes might not be realistic.
Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2015 03:28 PM (DL2i+)
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159 The analogy with Catholics and their sexual habits before Marriage and Muslim opinion was downright bizzare.
The analogy wasn't to the sexual habits. It was about how different members of the group can have differing values, yet still be members of the larger group.
The analogy wasn't to the sexual habits. It was about how different members of the group can have differing values, yet still be members of the larger group.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 10, 2015 03:33 PM (Jcrm4)
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Well fuck you then. And I'm not your friend.
It's okay to say Charlie Hedbo
Exactly, being an asshole shouldn't be a capital offense (occasional drunken brawl accidents excepted).
It's okay to say Charlie Hedbo
Exactly, being an asshole shouldn't be a capital offense (occasional drunken brawl accidents excepted).
Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2015 03:34 PM (DL2i+)
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Jeez, some fool is actually worried about Calvinists who want to establish a theocracy? Be my guest, doofus, sit around and worry about that if you want. It's about 52,524,813 on my personal list of concerns.
Let me guess - it's Hector the ranting Catholic Hispanic bigot who lives in his own little very special world....
Let me guess - it's Hector the ranting Catholic Hispanic bigot who lives in his own little very special world....
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at January 10, 2015 03:35 PM (+XMAD)
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Step 1: Amend the Constitution to state that Islam is a political movement and not just a religious one and thus is not covered under the First Amendment.
Step 2: Close all mosques and run pigs through them.
Step 3: deport all muzzies.
Step 4: Allow no muzzles to enter the US. Saudi Arabia did this with Jews so back at ya!
Step 5: Make an example of ISSIS; nuke the territory they occupy.
Step 2: Close all mosques and run pigs through them.
Step 3: deport all muzzies.
Step 4: Allow no muzzles to enter the US. Saudi Arabia did this with Jews so back at ya!
Step 5: Make an example of ISSIS; nuke the territory they occupy.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 10, 2015 03:36 PM (O3k74)
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The left hasn't had the stomach/balls to do that
since Truman was prezzy. Now we have to engage them in meaningful
conversation and empathize with them. Fuk that. Kill 'em all. Every last
one of them.
Posted by: Hank at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (HZEIo)
Yeah, That Truman really had balls.
since Truman was prezzy. Now we have to engage them in meaningful
conversation and empathize with them. Fuk that. Kill 'em all. Every last
one of them.
Posted by: Hank at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (HZEIo)
Yeah, That Truman really had balls.
Posted by: The trapped North Koeran at January 10, 2015 03:39 PM (0FSuD)
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227
The left hasn't had the stomach/balls to do that
since Truman was prezzy. Now we have to engage them in meaningful
conversation and empathize with them. Fuk that. Kill 'em all. Every last
one of them.
Posted by: Hank at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (HZEIo)
Yeah, That Truman really had balls.
Posted by: The trapped North Koeran at January 10, 2015 03:39 PM (0FSuD)
Yeah, tell me about it.
The left hasn't had the stomach/balls to do that
since Truman was prezzy. Now we have to engage them in meaningful
conversation and empathize with them. Fuk that. Kill 'em all. Every last
one of them.
Posted by: Hank at January 10, 2015 02:28 PM (HZEIo)
Yeah, That Truman really had balls.
Posted by: The trapped North Koeran at January 10, 2015 03:39 PM (0FSuD)
Yeah, tell me about it.
Posted by: Gen Doulas McArthur, FIRED by Truman for wanting to win at January 10, 2015 03:41 PM (0FSuD)
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I'll take a radical Calvinist over a Muslim of any type anytime.
We can pray for each other's souls then go get nachos.
We can pray for each other's souls then go get nachos.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 10, 2015 03:42 PM (O3k74)
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Great point, Jay Guevara at January 10, 2015 12:07 PM
Posted by: KT at January 10, 2015 03:43 PM (qahv/)
Posted by: KT at January 10, 2015 03:48 PM (qahv/)
Posted by: just a homo at January 10, 2015 03:57 PM (KBvAm)
Posted by: just a homo at January 10, 2015 03:59 PM (KBvAm)
Posted by: just a homo at January 10, 2015 04:00 PM (KBvAm)
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226 Step 1: Amend the Constitution to state that Islam is a political movement and not just a religious one and thus is not covered under the First Amendment.
Step 2: Close all mosques and run pigs through them.
Step 3: deport all muzzies.
Step 4: Allow no muzzles to enter the US. Saudi Arabia did this with Jews so back at ya!
Step 5: Make an example of ISSIS; nuke the territory they occupy.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 10, 2015 03:36 PM (O3k74)
You have a newsletter, I trust?
Step 2: Close all mosques and run pigs through them.
Step 3: deport all muzzies.
Step 4: Allow no muzzles to enter the US. Saudi Arabia did this with Jews so back at ya!
Step 5: Make an example of ISSIS; nuke the territory they occupy.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 10, 2015 03:36 PM (O3k74)
You have a newsletter, I trust?
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 04:04 PM (sdi6R)
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Ayatollah Khomeini was content to use the Communist students in Iran to help him overthrow the Shah. After his triumphant return to Iran he commenced to jailing and torturing and slaughtering them. After all, the commies were for "sexual equality" which is totally unacceptable. Just cuz you're their buddy doesn't mean they won't kill you last.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners
Posted by: Michelle at January 10, 2015 04:26 PM (gK6bv)
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205 Go get your fucking shine box. Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (zt+N6) No, you get your[/] shine box, dickhead. fromabroad is correct, as far as he goes. islam and militant homosexualism are both vehicles being used by the Left undermine Western Enlightenment values. Example: "homophobia" and "islamophobia" are both ginned-up words designed to marginalize as crazy anyone who objects to the stated goals of these movements.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2015 03:09 PM (4k1aC)
Didn't really read the little bitches post. He's a thin skinned whiner that's all pissy that weirddave used a comment he made for a post. And now he's obsessed.
205 Go get your fucking shine box. Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2015 02:09 PM (zt+N6) No, you get your[/] shine box, dickhead. fromabroad is correct, as far as he goes. islam and militant homosexualism are both vehicles being used by the Left undermine Western Enlightenment values. Example: "homophobia" and "islamophobia" are both ginned-up words designed to marginalize as crazy anyone who objects to the stated goals of these movements.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2015 03:09 PM (4k1aC)
Didn't really read the little bitches post. He's a thin skinned whiner that's all pissy that weirddave used a comment he made for a post. And now he's obsessed.
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2015 04:28 PM (zt+N6)
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sock off
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 10, 2015 04:31 PM (RcpcZ)
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Forget the Calvinists! Fear the looming Monophysite threat!
Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 10, 2015 04:33 PM (XO6WW)
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Jack Straw @ 32- muslim brotherhood got its start in Egypt.
Yeah they did, with a large dollop of nazism and a whole mess of old-time Jew-hating. What islam needs is a Martin Luther. Somehow, I doubt al-Sisi will live up (or live long enough) to that worthy example.
Yeah they did, with a large dollop of nazism and a whole mess of old-time Jew-hating. What islam needs is a Martin Luther. Somehow, I doubt al-Sisi will live up (or live long enough) to that worthy example.
Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2015 04:42 PM (go5uR)
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"Truth #1: Islam is at war with the west. Not all of Islam, no, but a significant portion of it."
The foundation, the sine qua non, of Islam is that everyone will submit to Allah and his Prophet. If any human does not believe that, THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. The very best we can hope for is that they will give up killing or enslaving those who are not Muslim, and right now, there isn't even a foundation in their religion for doing that.
The foundation, the sine qua non, of Islam is that everyone will submit to Allah and his Prophet. If any human does not believe that, THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. The very best we can hope for is that they will give up killing or enslaving those who are not Muslim, and right now, there isn't even a foundation in their religion for doing that.
Posted by: SDN at January 10, 2015 04:46 PM (Ao5fh)
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Open Blogger, thank you for this post. I have thought for years that it seems the left is in bed with islam and they are doing some very freaky things together. I, too, have suspected that the left thinks they are using the muslims to achieve their ends, while it is really the muslims who will successfully leverage the left to achieve THEIR ends. Once these two bed partners begin to clash, the left will fold like a cheap card table because they are basically a bunch a loudmouthed pussies.
Also, I agree with Me (post #209) -- the big picture is that all this is a clash between those who reject God and those who love Him.
Also, I agree with Me (post #209) -- the big picture is that all this is a clash between those who reject God and those who love Him.
Posted by: Tired Mom at January 10, 2015 04:48 PM (VAVWk)
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Weirddave, great post for the weekend. Lots of good comments (for the most part.) Thanks.
Posted by: olddog in mo at January 10, 2015 04:54 PM (6hrmc)
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242
I, too, have suspected that the left thinks they are using the muslims to achieve their ends, while it is really the muslims who will successfully leverage the left to achieve THEIR ends.
Posted by: Tired Mom at January 10, 2015 04:48 PM (VAVWk)
I've been saying for a long time that both Leftists and Muslims consider each other to be useful idiots. Each believes they can deal with the other once Western civilization, Christianity, and capitalism are vanquished.
I wouldn't write off the Left, though. Stalin, Hitler, and Mao were not Pajama Boy. They can be ruthless and bloody-minded when they want to be. The death toll they racked up in the 20th Century was much larger than what Islam accomplished during the same period.
If the Left ever decides to exterminate the Muslims, remember, they will have modern technology on their side.
I, too, have suspected that the left thinks they are using the muslims to achieve their ends, while it is really the muslims who will successfully leverage the left to achieve THEIR ends.
Posted by: Tired Mom at January 10, 2015 04:48 PM (VAVWk)
I've been saying for a long time that both Leftists and Muslims consider each other to be useful idiots. Each believes they can deal with the other once Western civilization, Christianity, and capitalism are vanquished.
I wouldn't write off the Left, though. Stalin, Hitler, and Mao were not Pajama Boy. They can be ruthless and bloody-minded when they want to be. The death toll they racked up in the 20th Century was much larger than what Islam accomplished during the same period.
If the Left ever decides to exterminate the Muslims, remember, they will have modern technology on their side.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 05:10 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Osama Bin Laden at January 10, 2015 05:18 PM (2+bRt)
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240 Jack Straw @ 32- muslim brotherhood got its start in Egypt. Yeah they did, with a large dollop of nazism and a whole mess of old-time Jew-hating. What islam needs is a Martin Luther. Somehow, I doubt al-Sisi will live up (or live long enough) to that worthy example.
Martin Luther used the Bible to show that the church had strayed from the teachings and example of Christ. These terrorists are following the teachings and example of muhammed all too literally.
Martin Luther used the Bible to show that the church had strayed from the teachings and example of Christ. These terrorists are following the teachings and example of muhammed all too literally.
Posted by: Vince at January 10, 2015 06:22 PM (W0MMC)
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Martin Luther used the Bible to show that the church had strayed from the teachings and example of Christ. These terrorists are following the teachings and example of muhammed all too literally.
Posted by: Vince at January 10, 2015 06:22 PM (W0MMC)
I agree, Vince. The best example of true, old-school Islam today is ISIS.
Martin Luther used the Bible to show that the church had strayed from the teachings and example of Christ. These terrorists are following the teachings and example of muhammed all too literally.
Posted by: Vince at January 10, 2015 06:22 PM (W0MMC)
I agree, Vince. The best example of true, old-school Islam today is ISIS.
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2015 06:31 PM (sdi6R)
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Posted by: Tina at January 10, 2015 07:30 PM (wXdte)
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Once Jeb Bush is elected all will be right.
Posted by: jacke at January 10, 2015 07:34 PM (i8Shl)
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Hey Cher had a great idea . Throw tear gas on the actoists then them with ( tranquilizing ) darts . That way they can't be martyrers .
Signed Barbara Carlos Danger Streisand .
Signed Barbara Carlos Danger Streisand .
Posted by: Drpullit at January 10, 2015 07:46 PM (N6vfQ)
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In other news the moderates in this country ( via NYT) are going bonkers from Egyptian government relocating 2k of families from a border town . Because those tunnels are being used by Taylor Swift fans not Hammas, The Brotherhood , the Ak-47 gun and rocket club ,etc .
Posted by: Drpullit at January 10, 2015 07:50 PM (N6vfQ)
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finally!
I been convinced of this for sometime now, that's why I have no patience for half measures.
time to go Colonel Kurtz on them... nobody wants to go Kurtz but sometimes there is no choice.
this will only end with either Mecca or the Vatican in smoking ruins.
I been convinced of this for sometime now, that's why I have no patience for half measures.
time to go Colonel Kurtz on them... nobody wants to go Kurtz but sometimes there is no choice.
this will only end with either Mecca or the Vatican in smoking ruins.
Posted by: Shoey at January 10, 2015 10:22 PM (vA94g)
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Demorats eat Culture and shit hypocrisy (so i've been told),.....Just like socialist and Communists.
Imagine having a government overthrown and run by such. Wait a minute, that's what we have now!
Walking hand in hand like glazed eyed, frenzied lovers. Their compact to screw the entire nation of Americans, and done quite well at it thus far.
Imagine having a government overthrown and run by such. Wait a minute, that's what we have now!
Walking hand in hand like glazed eyed, frenzied lovers. Their compact to screw the entire nation of Americans, and done quite well at it thus far.
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Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
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George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
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Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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