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Are You Ready For A Hike In The Gas Tax? Some Leading GOP Senators Are Open To Talking About It.
Wages have been stagnant for years in the US and falling gas prices have put hundreds, in not thousands, of dollars back in people's pockets. Naturally this is unacceptable so the federal government is getting ready to get its piece of your new found windfall by hiking the federal gas tax.
Leading Republicans are actually open to considering the idea.“Everything is on the table,” [Senator James] Inhofe [R-OK] said in a Wednesday briefing with reporters to preview his committee agenda. He said his top priority is passing a long-term transportation bill, whose spending runs out at the end of May. With gasoline prices at lows not seen since 2009, some political observers and business executives say now is the ideal time to raise the 18.4 cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline and the 24.4 cent-a-gallon tax on diesel fuel, which haven’t increased since 1993. The taxes are the main source of revenue for the highway trust fund. Mr. Inhofe didn’t say he supports raising the gas tax, and he refutes referring to it as such. “It’s not a tax,” Mr. Inhofe said. “It’s a user fee.” He also said this period of cheap gas isn’t really a window of opportunity given it could close sooner than Congress is going to act. “You don’t know what’s going to happen to the price of gas,” Mr. Inhofe said.Of course, some are arguing that a period of lower gas prices means it might be more palatable to hike the tax. Does that mean if/when prices go back up the tax will come down? No? Oh. But Inhofe isn't alone. John Thune, the new Republican Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and Orin hosta, Chairman of the tax writing Senate Finance Committee also have said while they personally oppose hiking the tax, it needs to be on the table to save the federal Highway Trust Fund. Spoiler, when politicians say they personally oppose something but are leaving it "on the table", it's going to happen. And these three powerful committee chairs aren't alone. At least one GOP Senator Bob Corker (who is chair of the mostly unrelated Foreign Affairs committee) is an outright supporter of the idea. You want to know what should be done with the federal gas tax? Slash it and let the states control the building of most roads and bridges. On tax hikes my advice to Republicans is a paraphrase of Winston from Ghostbusters, "When someone ask you if you are in favor of hiking any tax you say NO!" Any of this mealy mouthed "well, we have to leave things on the table...." is simply an invitation for making mischief. The answer is "no" or better yet "Hell no". Of course something like this would have a hard time passing the House. It would mean Boehner would have to go to Democrats for votes and there's no way he'd ever do...oh boy. Naturally the Democrats love hiking the tax because, well, they love hiking taxes. Also, this trust fund pays for public transportation programs. So urban Democratic voters get money from fees paid by people who drive more. Also supporting a hike in the gas tax? The GOP supporting Chamber of Commerce. Gotta keep that sweet federal money flowing to the donors you know. Even I have a hard to believing the GOP is this suicidal but the allure of "infrastructure" spending is strong. So would it surprise me if they did it? Of course not.
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Just friggin outstanding.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 08, 2015 10:33 AM (KFdZd)
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not first
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 08, 2015 10:34 AM (2Ayux)
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They get a majority in both houses and their first instinct is to raise taxes? Done with repubs.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 08, 2015 10:35 AM (KFdZd)
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Mother fucker
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (9Z/a5)
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Is the federal income tax also a user fee? Can I request the usage of a tank? I have a neighbor that is bothering me.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
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Sure glad we made sure the repubs could be in charge so things would change-get better. sarc
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 08, 2015 10:37 AM (wWs6x)
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Semi-related: The NYPD should stop enforcing the ban on the sale of loosies. We'd soon find out of Debolshevikio thinks black lives matter more than cigarette taxes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 08, 2015 10:38 AM (OPGs9)
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Cork soakers. The lot of them.
If this country isn't in full-blown revolt by year's end, I will be amazed. These people are beyond clueless. I am more convinced every day that this is intentional. NOBODY can be this stupid. Can they??
If this country isn't in full-blown revolt by year's end, I will be amazed. These people are beyond clueless. I am more convinced every day that this is intentional. NOBODY can be this stupid. Can they??
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at January 08, 2015 10:38 AM (5Un6g)
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How about a credit for buying an SUV to boost the sale of gas guzzlers that would cause more gas tax to be paid?
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (gmeXX)
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Eff these people.
Posted by: FDR's Television at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (ne2fm)
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Is the federal income tax also a user fee? Can I request the usage of a tank? I have a neighbor that is bothering me.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
::: heavy, weary sigh :::
Yes, but first you must fill out, in triplicate mind you, a standard SF 2765 request form.
Make sure that in Block J where it says "pizza" you cross that out and write in "Tank, Combat, Full-tracked"
Then submit the form.
Then we'll get back to you in three years.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
::: heavy, weary sigh :::
Yes, but first you must fill out, in triplicate mind you, a standard SF 2765 request form.
Make sure that in Block J where it says "pizza" you cross that out and write in "Tank, Combat, Full-tracked"
Then submit the form.
Then we'll get back to you in three years.
Posted by: Joe Smith, Defense Logistics Agency at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (L+5wE)
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I continue to be amazed that Drew manages to get posts published wherein he quotes politicians saying nothing like what he says they said, and oftentimes the exact opposite. Sometimes within two or three sentences of each other. Does he read his own copy?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (ljZD2)
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It makes sense.
The American people have grown accustomed to paying a certain amount per gallon for gas.
Now, due to unforeseen circumstances, the American people are paying much less per gallon.
It's only right and proper to continue to collect the same amount per gallon as previously paid.
The American people have grown accustomed to paying a certain amount per gallon for gas.
Now, due to unforeseen circumstances, the American people are paying much less per gallon.
It's only right and proper to continue to collect the same amount per gallon as previously paid.
Posted by: Stupid shit, that the GOPe says at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (g6jni)
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in retrospect , maybe the original tax should have been a percent instead of a fixed amount?
Posted by: avi at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (viqX2)
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if "everything" is on the table, Imhofe probably means he understands primary challenges are included. And tar. Feathers. Light polls.
Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2015 10:40 AM (6um35)
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The GOP refuse to obey the majority who elected them, and the democrats are in open warfare against both the law and those that enforce it.
I predict these two themes will intertwine and lead to interesting times ahead.
The GOP refuse to obey the majority who elected them, and the democrats are in open warfare against both the law and those that enforce it.
I predict these two themes will intertwine and lead to interesting times ahead.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 08, 2015 10:40 AM (20Zla)
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Urban Democrats get money they can use to bus over to your mall and flashmob it.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 08, 2015 10:40 AM (GE81t)
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The GOPe's addiction to Big Gubmint is well known.
Ergo, GOPe voters get what they voted for.
Ergo, GOPe voters get what they voted for.
Posted by: John Bonehead, Weeper of the House at January 08, 2015 10:40 AM (hKyl0)
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I hate taxes. But a national highway system in good repair is vital to the economy.
The one and only way to pay for that highway system should be gasoline taxes.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
The one and only way to pay for that highway system should be gasoline taxes.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (4+IgA)
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But we only control two halves of one third -- well -- we actually nominated a majority of the Supreme Court too -- so we only control two thirds.....
Posted by: Endless GOP Excuses R Us
But we only control two halves of one third -- well -- we actually nominated a majority of the Supreme Court too -- so we only control two thirds.....
Posted by: Endless GOP Excuses R Us
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (kdS6q)
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Also supporting a hike in the gas tax? The GOP supporting Chamber of Commerce.
Something is not right in the CoC. You can make up all sorts of reasons why the CoC might support a gas tax hike in theory (and Tom Donahue apparently does) but who, exactly, is the CoC representing?
Trucking companies?
Anybody whose business involves trucking?
I mean, I bought the immigration-cheap labor thing, but this? Something's wrong at the Chamber of Commerce.
Something is not right in the CoC. You can make up all sorts of reasons why the CoC might support a gas tax hike in theory (and Tom Donahue apparently does) but who, exactly, is the CoC representing?
Trucking companies?
Anybody whose business involves trucking?
I mean, I bought the immigration-cheap labor thing, but this? Something's wrong at the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (b4b5c)
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Because prices would never go back up.
Like when the Saudis finally shut down their competition.
Or Washington does it for them.
Like when the Saudis finally shut down their competition.
Or Washington does it for them.
Posted by: --- at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (FFqaj)
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Urban Democrats get money they can use to bus over to your mall and flashmob it.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 08, 2015 10:40 AM (GE81t)
Is that what they call shoplifting these days?
Huh.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 08, 2015 10:40 AM (GE81t)
Is that what they call shoplifting these days?
Huh.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (L+5wE)
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You're welcome.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (GGCsk)
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You know, we just voted down an automatic, pegged-to-the-CPI gas tax increase that the @sshats on Beacon Hill forced down our throats, and now our own side in DC wants to jack up the gas tax? Fcuk these people in particular.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (knoK7)
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I continue to be amazed that Drew manages to get
posts published wherein he quotes politicians saying nothing like what
he says they said, and oftentimes the exact opposite. Sometimes within
two or three sentences of each other. Does he read his own copy?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (ljZD2)
Did you?
Break it down for us, if ya would, on how this is terribly unfair and not properly representing what the Pubbies had to say.
posts published wherein he quotes politicians saying nothing like what
he says they said, and oftentimes the exact opposite. Sometimes within
two or three sentences of each other. Does he read his own copy?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (ljZD2)
Did you?
Break it down for us, if ya would, on how this is terribly unfair and not properly representing what the Pubbies had to say.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:41 AM (9LuAk)
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How about an ass and champagne tax hike? But it would never happen because it hurts the one percent!
Posted by: andycanuck at January 08, 2015 10:42 AM (L6/+u)
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TAXED
ENOUGH
ALREADY
If they need more infrastructure money, take it from HUD.
Though if we are going to talk taxes I think the entertainment industry is on board with higher rates...right?
ENOUGH
ALREADY
If they need more infrastructure money, take it from HUD.
Though if we are going to talk taxes I think the entertainment industry is on board with higher rates...right?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2015 10:42 AM (78TbK)
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I continue to be amazed that Drew manages to get posts published wherein he quotes politicians saying nothing like what he says they said, and oftentimes the exact opposite. Sometimes within two or three sentences of each other. Does he read his own copy?
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I don't know - the article says Inhofe calls the gas tax a usage fee. There are no such things as government usage fees. They are all taxes - no matter what you call them. The Constitution does not give the federal government the power to raise usage fees. It gives them the power to tax. A power which is unlimited thanks to John Roberts.
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I don't know - the article says Inhofe calls the gas tax a usage fee. There are no such things as government usage fees. They are all taxes - no matter what you call them. The Constitution does not give the federal government the power to raise usage fees. It gives them the power to tax. A power which is unlimited thanks to John Roberts.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:42 AM (gmeXX)
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I mean, I bought the immigration-cheap labor thing, but this? Something's wrong at the Chamber of Commerce.
In Fascism, government supports controlled business, controlled business supports government. Cronies gotta crony.
I mean, I bought the immigration-cheap labor thing, but this? Something's wrong at the Chamber of Commerce.
In Fascism, government supports controlled business, controlled business supports government. Cronies gotta crony.
Posted by: --- at January 08, 2015 10:42 AM (FFqaj)
Posted by: Fox News Room Floor at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (XzRw1)
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Damn, only took 12 comments.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (ttJ2z)
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The one and only way to pay for that highway system should be gasoline taxes.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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What we are collecting would be enough, if 40-odd percent of it weren't being redirected to light rail and subsidized bus routes.
The one and only way to pay for that highway system should be gasoline taxes.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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What we are collecting would be enough, if 40-odd percent of it weren't being redirected to light rail and subsidized bus routes.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (20Zla)
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My God. The stupidity burns.
People are finding some relief, somewhere, for the first time in years. And the GOP and CoCsuckers are looking to take it away.
Winning strategy there, GOP.
People are finding some relief, somewhere, for the first time in years. And the GOP and CoCsuckers are looking to take it away.
Winning strategy there, GOP.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (LA7Cm)
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I eagerly await Hollowpoint's take on this.
I won't know how to feel about this matter until Hollowpoint has weighed in on whether we are being reactionary wingnuts or not.
He is indeed the barometer by which I gauge my political opinions.
I won't know how to feel about this matter until Hollowpoint has weighed in on whether we are being reactionary wingnuts or not.
He is indeed the barometer by which I gauge my political opinions.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (9LuAk)
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The one and only way to pay for that highway system should be gasoline taxes.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
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Please show me in the Constitution where Congress has the power to raise and collect user fees?
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
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Please show me in the Constitution where Congress has the power to raise and collect user fees?
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:44 AM (gmeXX)
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It's not a 'usage fee' if the gas sits in a can and I don't use it.
It's on purchase. It's a SALES TAX.
It's on purchase. It's a SALES TAX.
Posted by: --- at January 08, 2015 10:44 AM (FFqaj)
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wherein he quotes politicians saying nothing like what he says they said, and oftentimes the exact opposite.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
Now here's the part where you post quotes or links to support that statement.
wherein he quotes politicians saying nothing like what he says they said, and oftentimes the exact opposite.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
Now here's the part where you post quotes or links to support that statement.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 10:44 AM (kdS6q)
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7 Semi-related: The NYPD should stop enforcing the ban on the sale of loosies. We'd soon find out of Debolshevikio thinks black lives matter more than cigarette taxes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 08, 2015 10:38 AM (OPGs9)
That's a bandage. The real problem is that one can make enough money so that a welfare recipient will actually bother to go to the corner and sell loosies. You don't sell loosies anywhere else.
If the tax weren't so high, this would not be a problem.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 08, 2015 10:38 AM (OPGs9)
That's a bandage. The real problem is that one can make enough money so that a welfare recipient will actually bother to go to the corner and sell loosies. You don't sell loosies anywhere else.
If the tax weren't so high, this would not be a problem.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 10:44 AM (b4b5c)
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the allure of "infrastructure" spending is strong.
Even this is a pipe dream. It's going to be like the infrastructure spending in the Stimulus package a few years ago. Most of the extra $, if any, will be siphoned off into things like "women's rights groups" increased food stamp payments and arts subsidies. And it'll happen long before the money becomes available for traditional infrastructure graft.
So these GOPe CoC suckers won't get nearly the bribe levels they're thinking they'll get.
the allure of "infrastructure" spending is strong.
Even this is a pipe dream. It's going to be like the infrastructure spending in the Stimulus package a few years ago. Most of the extra $, if any, will be siphoned off into things like "women's rights groups" increased food stamp payments and arts subsidies. And it'll happen long before the money becomes available for traditional infrastructure graft.
So these GOPe CoC suckers won't get nearly the bribe levels they're thinking they'll get.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2015 10:44 AM (TIIx5)
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He is indeed the barometer by which I gauge my political opinions.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (9LuAk)
Your barometer appears to be a little sticky in high humidity.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:43 AM (9LuAk)
Your barometer appears to be a little sticky in high humidity.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2015 10:44 AM (L+5wE)
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If it's a user fee for roads why is it used to build light rail, bike paths and sundry other non road crap? Since if they took those boondoggles out we could fix the roads at the current rate.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (Mxs5H)
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fuck 'em all. It seems like they believe their job is to find a way to mine as much money as possible from the citizens of this country. FUCK THEM HARD!!
I know it's never the right time for a third party but when no party is interested in representing you, then what? Just lie back and think of England.
Historic mid-term victory for repub's and this is how they come out of the gate!! FUCK THEM!
I know it's never the right time for a third party but when no party is interested in representing you, then what? Just lie back and think of England.
Historic mid-term victory for repub's and this is how they come out of the gate!! FUCK THEM!
Posted by: BuckIV at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (CLfqv)
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>>Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (ljZD2)
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He directly quotes the article and what the senators were reported to have said. And it's the WSJ not some piker publication.
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He directly quotes the article and what the senators were reported to have said. And it's the WSJ not some piker publication.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (GGCsk)
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Where have you gone, trumpetdaddy?! We need your wisdom!
Did you not say that Drew was completely off-base with his assertions? Guide us in this time of need!
Did you not say that Drew was completely off-base with his assertions? Guide us in this time of need!
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (9LuAk)
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I'd like to know the exact moment when I became nothing more to the Gov't and GOP-
than a damn mule laboring for their benefit and creepy social experiments.
The more I vote against this un-American crapola-
the more I get the yoke.
It's like whatever they say is a lie-
and my vote as an American citizen makes no difference. No matter how I vote.
awesome.
than a damn mule laboring for their benefit and creepy social experiments.
The more I vote against this un-American crapola-
the more I get the yoke.
It's like whatever they say is a lie-
and my vote as an American citizen makes no difference. No matter how I vote.
awesome.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (KBvAm)
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How about we just get rid of "trust funds." We have a highway trust fund, a social security trust fund. Does the federal government have a constitutional power to establish trust funds?
The primary rule of trust fund law is that the trustee is prohibited from self-dealing.
The primary rule of trust fund law is that the trustee is prohibited from self-dealing.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:46 AM (gmeXX)
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I'd like to know the exact moment when I became nothing more to the Gov't and GOP- than a damn mule laboring for their benefit and creepy social experiments.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (KBvAm)
Check your birth certificate for the date and time of your birth.
That will be it, right there.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (KBvAm)
Check your birth certificate for the date and time of your birth.
That will be it, right there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2015 10:46 AM (L+5wE)
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This is why people did not want Boehner and McConnell plus a bunch of stale farts that have been around Washington so long they are growing mold.
It's a return to business as usual.
It's a return to business as usual.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:46 AM (GGCsk)
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I'll bet not one of the Reps supporting this has smoked grass. Maybe they should.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (A9jYU)
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This shit makes me feel all kinds of stabby.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: GOP at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (XzRw1)
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NC state tax went up 0.01 on Jan. 1.
Temp has soared to 6.5 deg , was 1.8 when I went to bed last night.
Temp has soared to 6.5 deg , was 1.8 when I went to bed last night.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (F2IAQ)
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Inhofe called the "user fee" "the most fair tax you can have" because only drivers who need gas would have to cover that cost.
Rollcall.com
"What are -- transportation costs?"
"Correct. Select again."
Inhofe called the "user fee" "the most fair tax you can have" because only drivers who need gas would have to cover that cost.
Rollcall.com
"What are -- transportation costs?"
"Correct. Select again."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (kdS6q)
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A 'usage fee' would be tolls. IE, a 'fee' I pay when I 'use' it.
Posted by: --- at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (FFqaj)
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5 Is the federal income tax also a user fee? Can I request the usage of a tank? I have a neighbor that is bothering me.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
Yeah. The government is the user, we're getting used.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
Yeah. The government is the user, we're getting used.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (2Ojst)
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NC state gas tax went up 0.01 on Jan. 1.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (F2IAQ)
58
Eff them
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 10:47 AM (9BRsg)
59
Is anyone else kind of rooting for the terrorists at this point?
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (EBoCD)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (JtwS4)
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Infrastructure spending? Tell ya what, we can just do what the Marxists want and give all the Ivy Kulaks a dull spoon and tell em to dig us a few roads.
Posted by: Bigby's Furtively Groping Hands at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (gmeXX)
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48 I'd like to know the exact moment when I became nothing more to the Gov't and GOP- than a damn mule laboring for their benefit and creepy social experiments.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (KBvAm)
Check your birth certificate for the date and time of your birth.
That will be it, right there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2015 10:46 AM (L+5wE)
Pretty much. The first time you got a job, at the latest.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2015 10:45 AM (KBvAm)
Check your birth certificate for the date and time of your birth.
That will be it, right there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2015 10:46 AM (L+5wE)
Pretty much. The first time you got a job, at the latest.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (2Ojst)
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"It's a user fee."
Err, no. No, it's a tax. On fuel. Toll roads require you to pay a user fee, or you can't use the road, ordinary roads only require that you have all your shit together: if it's a motor vehicle, you have to have it properly insured & licensed & all that. I can drive a horse-cart down an ordinary road or highway (not an interstate highway, because of various restrictions on use, one of which being that you have to be able to maintain more than 40mph on most of them) without paying any fuel taxes, & it's legal. I could drive an electric car down the road, too, without paying any fuel tax. Or an electric scooter. Or a bicycle. Or I could walk.
The fuel tax is a fuel tax, not a user fee.
Err, no. No, it's a tax. On fuel. Toll roads require you to pay a user fee, or you can't use the road, ordinary roads only require that you have all your shit together: if it's a motor vehicle, you have to have it properly insured & licensed & all that. I can drive a horse-cart down an ordinary road or highway (not an interstate highway, because of various restrictions on use, one of which being that you have to be able to maintain more than 40mph on most of them) without paying any fuel taxes, & it's legal. I could drive an electric car down the road, too, without paying any fuel tax. Or an electric scooter. Or a bicycle. Or I could walk.
The fuel tax is a fuel tax, not a user fee.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (MbqmP)
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (GGCsk)
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Is anyone else kind of rooting for the terrorists at this point?
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NO
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Well maybe Paul Krugman.
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NO
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Well maybe Paul Krugman.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (gmeXX)
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59 Is anyone else kind of rooting for the terrorists at this point?
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (EBoCD)
Don't be stupid.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:48 AM (EBoCD)
Don't be stupid.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (2Ojst)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the gas tax isn't a percentage IIRC. The revenue isn't going down because the price is going down.
Yet these asshats want even more of our money? Wonderful, just wonderful.
I haven't been able to fill my gas tank completely up in well over five years. It's $15 or $20 at one time, max.
Oh well, it was fun to think we had control over our government and that we had representation.
Yet these asshats want even more of our money? Wonderful, just wonderful.
I haven't been able to fill my gas tank completely up in well over five years. It's $15 or $20 at one time, max.
Oh well, it was fun to think we had control over our government and that we had representation.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (0HooB)
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Beginning in January, Pennsylvanians started paying taxes of about 69 cents on every gallon of gasoline at the
pump -- 50.5 cents in state tax and 18.4 cents in federal tax.
Diesel
users
will pay 88.4 cents per gallon -- 64.2 cents in state tax and 24.4 in
federal tax.
The national gross profit margin for gasoline is about 32 cents per gallon, less than half the taxes on the gasoline.
If "Big Oil" is getting rich .. then "Big Taxes" are getting even richer.
pump -- 50.5 cents in state tax and 18.4 cents in federal tax.
Diesel
users
will pay 88.4 cents per gallon -- 64.2 cents in state tax and 24.4 in
federal tax.
The national gross profit margin for gasoline is about 32 cents per gallon, less than half the taxes on the gasoline.
If "Big Oil" is getting rich .. then "Big Taxes" are getting even richer.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 08, 2015 10:50 AM (e8kgV)
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I'd say "let it burn," but the fuckers want to raise the taxes on the gas we'd use.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 08, 2015 10:50 AM (3p4eN)
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:50 AM (/jpU8)
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I think I'll spend the day laughing it up and preparing for the inevitable trainwreck that is the Western economic system, and the subsequent real Wars for Oil that will follow.
'cause this... is just pathetic. Let no one doubt that the GOP is not on the side of the citizens of the country; they truly are Dem Lite.
'cause this... is just pathetic. Let no one doubt that the GOP is not on the side of the citizens of the country; they truly are Dem Lite.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:50 AM (9LuAk)
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Can I include my home in infrastructure spending? You know, since we are using semantics in tricky ways....
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:50 AM (GGCsk)
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The primary rule of trust fund law is that the trustee is prohibited from self-dealing.
Posted by: SH
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So, the funds really should be called 'Pork Barrel Funds'
Posted by: SH
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So, the funds really should be called 'Pork Barrel Funds'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 10:50 AM (F2IAQ)
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Are FICA taxes also user fees?
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (gmeXX)
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The Republican's are here to save us!!
But who will save us from them?
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (GGCsk)
http://tinyurl.com/7ss36o
But who will save us from them?
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (GGCsk)
http://tinyurl.com/7ss36o
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (L+5wE)
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They should be making MORE money when price drops because usage should increase. They're taxing per gallon, not percentage of price.
Posted by: --- at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (FFqaj)
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Thune Hatch & Inhofe
Effing effers
Effing effers
Posted by: @votermom at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (659DL)
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They only said everything is on the table. But they also said that just because gas prices are low does not allow for an opportunity to raise the tax because prices could change quickly. DrewM just likes to rattle you guys chains with the worst perceived intentions. It's what he does.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (3jmxp)
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"The revenue isn't going down because the price is going down."
Yeah, and the dirty little secret is that on a per gallon basis gasoline (and OTR diesel) sales are increasing...
but that means squat to these fools.
Yeah, and the dirty little secret is that on a per gallon basis gasoline (and OTR diesel) sales are increasing...
but that means squat to these fools.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:51 AM (/jpU8)
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@BakwardsBoy, I would guess that if revenue is going down, it's going down for one of the reasons the cost of gas is going down -- weak demand (because of a bad economy).
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (EBoCD)
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Of course, some are arguing that a period of lower gas prices means it might be more palatable to hike the tax.
oh dear
was this part of the calculation all along?
Ace's previous post discusses how fracking is making the difference, and that the Saudi's are artificially holding the prices down to destroy any chance the fracking industry has.
but, was this also part of the calculation
my head spins
oh dear
was this part of the calculation all along?
Ace's previous post discusses how fracking is making the difference, and that the Saudi's are artificially holding the prices down to destroy any chance the fracking industry has.
but, was this also part of the calculation
my head spins
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (IXrOn)
84
Drew says that the federal government is "getting ready to raise" gas taxes. He provides NO EVIDENCE that that is "getting ready" to happen. He links to an article offering the opinion of someone at Iowa St. University. He says that a senator not on the relevant committee favors the idea. The senators he mentions who actually are on the relevant committees he says oppose it, but are concerned about the state of federal highway funding. No shit, so is everybody who understands that a dollar of taxes in 1993 doesn't buy the same dollar of highways in 2015. Math, how does it work?
The senator who is actually the head of the relevant committee has said he opposes it but he has offered the standard, beginning of the session, meaningless boilerplate about "all options being in the table for everything." Yeah, no shit. That's what is always said about every issue.
This is click-bait, outrage mongering with little foundation in reality. Again, typical Drew post if it is a day ending in "y."
The senator who is actually the head of the relevant committee has said he opposes it but he has offered the standard, beginning of the session, meaningless boilerplate about "all options being in the table for everything." Yeah, no shit. That's what is always said about every issue.
This is click-bait, outrage mongering with little foundation in reality. Again, typical Drew post if it is a day ending in "y."
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (ljZD2)
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...it needs to be on the table to save the federal Highway Trust Fund.
BS
How about stop funding snail sex research?
BS
How about stop funding snail sex research?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:53 AM (IXrOn)
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As long as that extra gas tax/user fee money goes towards public transportation, and light rail in particular, then golly gee whillikers, let's get it done. The more the merrier.
I'm a happy guy if I don't have that extra money to spend as long as I know it's going to something worthwhile.
I'm a happy guy if I don't have that extra money to spend as long as I know it's going to something worthwhile.
Posted by: Hank at January 08, 2015 10:53 AM (HZEIo)
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Every time one of these GOP cocksuckers speaks in public they should be mocked unmercifully. Rotten tomatoes are an option as well. Use the lefts tactics on them.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 08, 2015 10:53 AM (XzRw1)
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So, are Teslas and Volts paying any "road use" taxes ?
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 08, 2015 10:53 AM (e8kgV)
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Revenue should go up b/c ppl can afford to fill their tanks and drive more.
So raising tax is not needed. And a toll is a usage fee; a gas tax is not.
So raising tax is not needed. And a toll is a usage fee; a gas tax is not.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 10:53 AM (9BRsg)
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That's right, tell em how dumb they are polynikes.
Posted by: Kenway at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (mM7zD)
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Yeah, and what happens when "Putin" gets "Putout" about the oil prices? Who's going to stand in his way? Answer: no one.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (gfB4n)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (ljZD2)
...is that all you've got, really?
Really.
You're as bad as Hollowhead.
...is that all you've got, really?
Really.
You're as bad as Hollowhead.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (9LuAk)
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@SH and @Insomniac, I was teasing.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (EBoCD)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (XzRw1)
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And yes, this is "clikbait"... but let's not forget that the fevered swamp on the Powtawmak lives and breathes by the "trial balloon" - were this topic to have generated no negative commentary, then we would be hearing more and more on this.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (/jpU8)
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I lived in Pennsylvania for years and years and years.
I maintain my position that PennDOT better damn well be utterly corrupt because the alternative is that the people maintaining the roads are just that incompetent.
Or, you know, it's a nice mixture of both.
Here. Lemme warm up the Horde.
I know! Let's do mandatory per mileage taxing that will be tracked via a GPS device installed in everyone's car!
*settles in with marshmallows by lovely ragefires*
I maintain my position that PennDOT better damn well be utterly corrupt because the alternative is that the people maintaining the roads are just that incompetent.
Or, you know, it's a nice mixture of both.
Here. Lemme warm up the Horde.
I know! Let's do mandatory per mileage taxing that will be tracked via a GPS device installed in everyone's car!
*settles in with marshmallows by lovely ragefires*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (mf5HN)
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They only said everything is on the table. But they also said that just because gas prices are low does not allow for an opportunity to raise the tax because prices could change quickly. DrewM just likes to rattle you guys chains with the worst perceived intentions. It's what he does.
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I don't think this will happen, but this sort of stuff has to be snuffed out at the beginning. I'm ok with saying everything is on the table just to show you are open to ideas, but the GOP doesn't have the best track record of pulling things off the table.
What really bothers me is a republican senator getting cute with the language and calling the gas tax a usage fee. If you want to make the case to raise taxes, make the case.
Government does not collect use fees. The Constitution says nothing about use fees. They are taxes.
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I don't think this will happen, but this sort of stuff has to be snuffed out at the beginning. I'm ok with saying everything is on the table just to show you are open to ideas, but the GOP doesn't have the best track record of pulling things off the table.
What really bothers me is a republican senator getting cute with the language and calling the gas tax a usage fee. If you want to make the case to raise taxes, make the case.
Government does not collect use fees. The Constitution says nothing about use fees. They are taxes.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (gmeXX)
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"Okay.., gas prices are low right now. Let's slip in a tax increase and no one will complain. Strike while the iron is hot."
Posted by: Insatiable Spenders at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (F2IAQ)
99
14
in retrospect , maybe the original tax should have been a percent instead of a fixed amount?
Posted by: avi at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (viqX2)
In retrospect, maybe the gas tax should be used for the original intended purpose instead of buying fucking cocksucking votes!
in retrospect , maybe the original tax should have been a percent instead of a fixed amount?
Posted by: avi at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (viqX2)
In retrospect, maybe the gas tax should be used for the original intended purpose instead of buying fucking cocksucking votes!
Posted by: Al Swearengen at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (vn2RY)
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I could drive an electric car down the road, too, without paying any fuel tax. Or an electric scooter. Or a bicycle. Or I could walk.
The fuel tax is a fuel tax, not a user fee.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (MbqmP)
Of course, there's been a movement within govt to impose mileage taxes on electric cars and hybrids because of the decrease in fuel tax revenues as fuel economy rises.
Lefties have been screaming about that one almost as loud as they did here in CA when the state mandated that great big stickers would have to be purchased from DMV and placed on your hybrid if you wanted to drive it in the diamond (carpool) lanes.
I could drive an electric car down the road, too, without paying any fuel tax. Or an electric scooter. Or a bicycle. Or I could walk.
The fuel tax is a fuel tax, not a user fee.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 08, 2015 10:49 AM (MbqmP)
Of course, there's been a movement within govt to impose mileage taxes on electric cars and hybrids because of the decrease in fuel tax revenues as fuel economy rises.
Lefties have been screaming about that one almost as loud as they did here in CA when the state mandated that great big stickers would have to be purchased from DMV and placed on your hybrid if you wanted to drive it in the diamond (carpool) lanes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (TIIx5)
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This is click-bait, outrage mongering with little foundation in reality. Again, typical Drew post if it is a day ending in "y."
Since this is just the latest in a raft of trial balloon douchebaggery on this subject from the usual suspects, I will be firmly in Drew's camp until this thing is DEAD.
Since this is just the latest in a raft of trial balloon douchebaggery on this subject from the usual suspects, I will be firmly in Drew's camp until this thing is DEAD.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (659DL)
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The current wholesale price of gas is about $1.50.
The average state and federal gas average tax total $0.50 (API.org)
33% tax rate = not high enough, apparently.
The current wholesale price of gas is about $1.50.
The average state and federal gas average tax total $0.50 (API.org)
33% tax rate = not high enough, apparently.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (kdS6q)
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@84, how is it standard boilerplate to say "we're considering raising taxes"? Why not -- "under no circumstances are we considering a gas tax hike. FYNQ."
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:56 AM (EBoCD)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (ljZD2)
Keeps on our toes, and on the phone lines to our reps.
Not a bad thing.
Keeps on our toes, and on the phone lines to our reps.
Not a bad thing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:56 AM (IXrOn)
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"So, are Teslas and Volts paying any "road use" taxes ?"
some, as all states & the Feds tax a variety of motor vehicle parts and assess fees at a number of levels - but not nearly at the level of fueled LD vehicles.
some, as all states & the Feds tax a variety of motor vehicle parts and assess fees at a number of levels - but not nearly at the level of fueled LD vehicles.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:56 AM (/jpU8)
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When a politician asserts he didn't refer to taxes, then tries to use semantics to call a gas tax a usage fee, that tells me what I need to know.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 10:56 AM (9BRsg)
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*settles in with marshmallows by lovely ragefires*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (mf5HN)
As a complete aside...
I have discovered that my secretary likes marshmallows. o.O However, she is very specific that the marshmallows must be uncovered and left to sit for a day or two, to crispen up and get a tough, approaching stale consistency before she'll feast on them.
Honestly this sounds like some kind of third-world shamanism to me. Anyone else eat marshmallows in this fashion? >_>
*settles in with marshmallows by lovely ragefires*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (mf5HN)
As a complete aside...
I have discovered that my secretary likes marshmallows. o.O However, she is very specific that the marshmallows must be uncovered and left to sit for a day or two, to crispen up and get a tough, approaching stale consistency before she'll feast on them.
Honestly this sounds like some kind of third-world shamanism to me. Anyone else eat marshmallows in this fashion? >_>
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (9LuAk)
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*settles in with marshmallows by lovely ragefires*
Posted by: alex
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No need to throw gas on the fire.
Posted by: alex
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No need to throw gas on the fire.
Posted by: Insatiable Spenders at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (F2IAQ)
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The founders would have been shooting by now.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (vgIRn)
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I would guess that if revenue is going down, it's going down for one of the reasons the cost of gas is going down -- weak demand (because of a bad economy).
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (EBoCD)
Also, in the last few years, people have bought more efficient vehicles because the prices were so high, so when the total number of miles driven gets back up to the old levels (because the economy is unObamaed (Lord, hear my prayer)) the fuel used (& the resulting revenue) will still be less.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (EBoCD)
Also, in the last few years, people have bought more efficient vehicles because the prices were so high, so when the total number of miles driven gets back up to the old levels (because the economy is unObamaed (Lord, hear my prayer)) the fuel used (& the resulting revenue) will still be less.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (MbqmP)
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There are many reasons that Corbett lost in Pennsylvania, but raising gas taxes was among them. Even though the gas tax hike had bipartisan support, indeed was more popular with the Democrats in the legislature, when the election came his Democrat opponent slammed him for it.
I am actually somewhat sympathetic to use taxes and if the funds were to go to highways that makes sense, but it will probably go disproportionately to public transportation.
But the revenue will mostly be squandered and the tax hike used against Republicans, so it's not a good idea. Now if it really did go to better highways and was tied in with elimination of ethanol subsidies and other reforms like eliminating prevailing wage provisions, etc. Who am I kidding; that'll never happen.
I am actually somewhat sympathetic to use taxes and if the funds were to go to highways that makes sense, but it will probably go disproportionately to public transportation.
But the revenue will mostly be squandered and the tax hike used against Republicans, so it's not a good idea. Now if it really did go to better highways and was tied in with elimination of ethanol subsidies and other reforms like eliminating prevailing wage provisions, etc. Who am I kidding; that'll never happen.
Posted by: kraki at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (krvsp)
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I'm fine with senators talking about it. As long as at the end of the talk they say, "Y'know, I think we're going to go in another direction and lower taxes instead."
What can I say, I'm a dreamer.
What can I say, I'm a dreamer.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (VAsIq)
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"In retrospect, maybe the gas tax should be used for the original intended purpose "
er, bike lanes and streetcars?
er, bike lanes and streetcars?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (/jpU8)
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>>Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (ljZD2)
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Notwithstanding the juxtaposition of Inhofe's semantics he clearly states, more than once, he is open to raising the tax, which apparently he states is not a tax.
Huh.
Inhofe is the relevant chairman of that panel.
Now I've got some calls in to DC to see who supports this tax increase.
Until then, I'll take Inhofe's direct word for it.
<<
Notwithstanding the juxtaposition of Inhofe's semantics he clearly states, more than once, he is open to raising the tax, which apparently he states is not a tax.
Huh.
Inhofe is the relevant chairman of that panel.
Now I've got some calls in to DC to see who supports this tax increase.
Until then, I'll take Inhofe's direct word for it.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (GGCsk)
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The senator who is actually the head of the relevant committee has said he opposes it but he has offered the standard, beginning of the session, meaningless boilerplate about "all options being in the table for everything." Yeah, no shit. That's what is always said about every issue.
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Maybe. But what they should be saying is that for the first time in years, the working class is getting some relief at the pump thanks to the fracking revolution. NOw is not the time to tax the working class more.
You know who worries about the price at the pump. The working class. The people who the GOP is always said to not be for.
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Maybe. But what they should be saying is that for the first time in years, the working class is getting some relief at the pump thanks to the fracking revolution. NOw is not the time to tax the working class more.
You know who worries about the price at the pump. The working class. The people who the GOP is always said to not be for.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (gmeXX)
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OT:
We can't defeat radical Islam, only Muslims can.
Au contraire!
I am not advocating genocide. It is the simple truth and cannot be stated often enough that Muslims must stop the hirabists before we do.
We can't defeat radical Islam, only Muslims can.
Au contraire!
I am not advocating genocide. It is the simple truth and cannot be stated often enough that Muslims must stop the hirabists before we do.
Posted by: USS Ohio at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (DL2i+)
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Honestly this sounds like some kind of third-world shamanism to me. Anyone else eat marshmallows in this fashion? >_>
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (9LuAk)
I mix mine with melted butter and Rice Krispies!
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (9LuAk)
I mix mine with melted butter and Rice Krispies!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Citizen X at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (7ObY1)
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Add me to the list of conservatives who think it is beyond stupid for the GOP to put raising taxes on the table.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (9BRsg)
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How about quitting paying for urban mass transit out of my highway 'user fee'?
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (evdj2)
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I personally oppose that thing that just happened in your mouth, but it was necessary.
Posted by: PabloD at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (roESk)
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er, bike lanes and streetcars?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (/jpU
Tucson just got a street car up and running.
http://www.sunlinkstreetcar.com/
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (/jpU
Tucson just got a street car up and running.
http://www.sunlinkstreetcar.com/
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (IXrOn)
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As a complete aside...
I have discovered that my secretary likes marshmallows. o.O However, she is very specific that the marshmallows must be uncovered and left to sit for a day or two, to crispen up and get a tough, approaching stale consistency before she'll feast on them.
Honestly this sounds like some kind of third-world shamanism to me. Anyone else eat marshmallows in this fashion? >_>
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (9LuAk)
That is ridiculous.
You don't eat marshmallows like that, you eat Peeps like that.
Yes, I know that Peeps are marshmallows, just go with it.
I have discovered that my secretary likes marshmallows. o.O However, she is very specific that the marshmallows must be uncovered and left to sit for a day or two, to crispen up and get a tough, approaching stale consistency before she'll feast on them.
Honestly this sounds like some kind of third-world shamanism to me. Anyone else eat marshmallows in this fashion? >_>
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 10:57 AM (9LuAk)
That is ridiculous.
You don't eat marshmallows like that, you eat Peeps like that.
Yes, I know that Peeps are marshmallows, just go with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (mf5HN)
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Even I have a hard to believing the GOP is this suicidal but the allure of "infrastructure" spending is strong.
It's so cute that you think they'll spend that money on infrastructure.
Seeing how that's what they are supposed to be spending the current gas tax monies on.
It's so cute that you think they'll spend that money on infrastructure.
Seeing how that's what they are supposed to be spending the current gas tax monies on.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (r4xn5)
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"Government does not collect use fees. The Constitution says nothing about use fees. They are taxes."
It's a tax! It's a user fee! It's whatever the government wants!
It's a tax! It's a user fee! It's whatever the government wants!
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (3p4eN)
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Government shut down and impeachment-off table
Gas tax+ - on the table.
I'm starting to understand how this works.
Gas tax+ - on the table.
I'm starting to understand how this works.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (5yHi1)
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in retrospect , maybe the original tax should have been a percent instead of a fixed amount?
Posted by: avi at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (viqX2)
In retrospect, maybe the gas tax should be used for the original intended purpose instead of buying fucking cocksucking votes!
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How about each state sets their own gas tax and pays for their own infrastructure spending?
Posted by: avi at January 08, 2015 10:39 AM (viqX2)
In retrospect, maybe the gas tax should be used for the original intended purpose instead of buying fucking cocksucking votes!
----
How about each state sets their own gas tax and pays for their own infrastructure spending?
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (gmeXX)
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How about stop funding snail sex research?
Research ain't gonna stop them.
Years ago I had a fishtank. I thought it was cute that some snails emerged. My friend winced, because he knew what was coming. They multiplied and multiplied and soon overwhelmed the tank.
Friend says the only thing to do is boil the substrate. So I put all the fish in temporary fish bowls. Put all the gravel in a pot on the stove, and boil the ever-living escargot out of it.
Reassemble tank. Put fishies back in. What crawls out of the gravel two days later?
Snails. It's not the cockroaches who will rule in the end.
How about stop funding snail sex research?
Research ain't gonna stop them.
Years ago I had a fishtank. I thought it was cute that some snails emerged. My friend winced, because he knew what was coming. They multiplied and multiplied and soon overwhelmed the tank.
Friend says the only thing to do is boil the substrate. So I put all the fish in temporary fish bowls. Put all the gravel in a pot on the stove, and boil the ever-living escargot out of it.
Reassemble tank. Put fishies back in. What crawls out of the gravel two days later?
Snails. It's not the cockroaches who will rule in the end.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)
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On the bright side, clearly the Republicans have embraced Let It Burn.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 08, 2015 11:01 AM (evdj2)
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How many cuts in spending are being discussed?
And, where?
How much?
Inquiring conservative minds want to know...
How many cuts in spending are being discussed?
And, where?
How much?
Inquiring conservative minds want to know...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 11:01 AM (IXrOn)
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I maintain my position that PennDOT better damn well be utterly corrupt
because the alternative is that the people maintaining the roads are
just that incompetent.
Worst freeze-thaw cycle in the states. Lots of little, curvy, old roads, and the above.
Meanwhile my brother had to dive out of oncoming when someone came inside the Jersey barrier on a highway project last year.
because the alternative is that the people maintaining the roads are
just that incompetent.
Worst freeze-thaw cycle in the states. Lots of little, curvy, old roads, and the above.
Meanwhile my brother had to dive out of oncoming when someone came inside the Jersey barrier on a highway project last year.
Posted by: DaveA at January 08, 2015 11:01 AM (DL2i+)
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I mix mine with melted butter and Rice Krispies!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (IXrOn)
THAT is the right and proper use of marshmallows.
Also, as a agent inside of brownies to add chewiness. o.O Particularly the super-miniature variety, such as the ones that come in packets of hot cocoa.
Can get a whole container full of those tiny marshmallows and just pour them into the brownie batter. Add milk chocolate frosting after baked, then sprinkle with additional micromallows and/or trans fat candied sprinkles (while supplies last*).
*go to hell FDA you asshat clowns and leave my sprinkles alone
I mix mine with melted butter and Rice Krispies!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 10:58 AM (IXrOn)
THAT is the right and proper use of marshmallows.
Also, as a agent inside of brownies to add chewiness. o.O Particularly the super-miniature variety, such as the ones that come in packets of hot cocoa.
Can get a whole container full of those tiny marshmallows and just pour them into the brownie batter. Add milk chocolate frosting after baked, then sprinkle with additional micromallows and/or trans fat candied sprinkles (while supplies last*).
*go to hell FDA you asshat clowns and leave my sprinkles alone
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:01 AM (9LuAk)
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WE went from talk of finally getting a chance to pass tax reform (prior to the election) to, gee, how can we screw people with new taxes.
I know! "Let's not call them taxes"!
Sounds like Obamacare all over again. Is it a tax or is it an aardvark? WEll that depends on your perspective.
This is everything that's wrong with Washington in one big crap bucket.
I know! "Let's not call them taxes"!
Sounds like Obamacare all over again. Is it a tax or is it an aardvark? WEll that depends on your perspective.
This is everything that's wrong with Washington in one big crap bucket.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 11:02 AM (GGCsk)
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Of course, there's been a movement within govt to impose mileage taxes on electric cars and hybrids because of the decrease in fuel tax revenues as fuel economy rises.
Lefties have been screaming about that one almost as loud as they did here in CA when the state mandated that great big stickers would have to be purchased from DMV and placed on your hybrid if you wanted to drive it in the diamond (carpool) lanes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (TIIx5)
I like to point out to people that this is coming in any case. Trucks are already (& have been for decades) logged for every mile driven in each state. Then monthly, or quarterly, or whatever, you cut a check to the states you drove in for the miles you drove in those states. This is in addition to the tax you pay directly on the fuel you buy.
Lefties have been screaming about that one almost as loud as they did here in CA when the state mandated that great big stickers would have to be purchased from DMV and placed on your hybrid if you wanted to drive it in the diamond (carpool) lanes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2015 10:55 AM (TIIx5)
I like to point out to people that this is coming in any case. Trucks are already (& have been for decades) logged for every mile driven in each state. Then monthly, or quarterly, or whatever, you cut a check to the states you drove in for the miles you drove in those states. This is in addition to the tax you pay directly on the fuel you buy.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 08, 2015 11:02 AM (MbqmP)
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"I am actually somewhat sympathetic to use taxes and if the funds were to go to highways that makes sense, but it will probably go disproportionately to public transportation."
It's been years (mid 90s perhaps?) but AAA did a quick n' dirty analysis - IIRC then current MV taxes equaled close to one hundred thousand dollars per mile of paved public road per year. The upshot was that if MV taxes actually went to roads, every paved roadway could be torn up and completely rebuilt every decade or so...
It's been years (mid 90s perhaps?) but AAA did a quick n' dirty analysis - IIRC then current MV taxes equaled close to one hundred thousand dollars per mile of paved public road per year. The upshot was that if MV taxes actually went to roads, every paved roadway could be torn up and completely rebuilt every decade or so...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:02 AM (/jpU8)
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Research ain't gonna stop them.
Years ago I had a fishtank. I thought it was cute that some snails emerged. My friend winced, because he knew what was coming. They multiplied and multiplied and soon overwhelmed the tank.
Friend says the only thing to do is boil the substrate. So I put all the fish in temporary fish bowls. Put all the gravel in a pot on the stove, and boil the ever-living escargot out of it.
Reassemble tank. Put fishies back in. What crawls out of the gravel two days later?
Snails. It's not the cockroaches who will rule in the end.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)
Something something Sandra Fluke something something
Years ago I had a fishtank. I thought it was cute that some snails emerged. My friend winced, because he knew what was coming. They multiplied and multiplied and soon overwhelmed the tank.
Friend says the only thing to do is boil the substrate. So I put all the fish in temporary fish bowls. Put all the gravel in a pot on the stove, and boil the ever-living escargot out of it.
Reassemble tank. Put fishies back in. What crawls out of the gravel two days later?
Snails. It's not the cockroaches who will rule in the end.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)
Something something Sandra Fluke something something
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 11:02 AM (mf5HN)
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Snails. It's not the cockroaches who will rule in the end.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)
hehe. Nice tale.
Snails. It's not the cockroaches who will rule in the end.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)
hehe. Nice tale.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 11:02 AM (IXrOn)
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The first thing Republicans should do when they get in power is expand the power, scope and cost of government. Oh and raise taxes.
Posted by: Their Friends at the DNC at January 08, 2015 11:02 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (IXrOn)
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Does anyone know if Preesident Obama wears boxers or briefs. Our town must know what kind of man he is.
Posted by: Mary Dipshitstien from Idiotsboro, VT at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (XagB8)
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Why can't the Repumpkins say this: "Democrats want the gas taxes to go up just at the time when Americans are finally getting some relief from the disastrous economy caused by their misguided policies.
We are against this and will fight their efforts to stymy the recovery we so badly need."
/rhetorical
We are against this and will fight their efforts to stymy the recovery we so badly need."
/rhetorical
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Native American at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (0HooB)
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How many cuts in spending are being discussed?
And, where?
How much?
Inquiring conservative minds want to know...
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The GOP way is to raise spending but cut taxes.
The Dem way is to raise spending and raise taxes.
The conservative way is to cut spending and cut taxes.
I'm afraid most of the country supports raising spending.
And, where?
How much?
Inquiring conservative minds want to know...
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The GOP way is to raise spending but cut taxes.
The Dem way is to raise spending and raise taxes.
The conservative way is to cut spending and cut taxes.
I'm afraid most of the country supports raising spending.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (gmeXX)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 10:52 AM (ljZD2)
"Getting ready" = discussing financing options which several key Senators saying hiking the tax is an option.
"He says that a senator not on the relevant committee favors the idea.". Yes, that's true. Not sure what your point is. Senators often initiate legislation on matters even when they aren't members of the relevant committee.
"The senators he mentions who actually are on the relevant committees he says oppose it". Yes, I note that, several times. They also say it's in the mix of options. Legislating often entails supporting means you don't like (hiking the gas tax) to get to an outcome you do like (highway money)
"meaningless boilerplate about "all options being in the table for everything." " You don't think it's a big deal that Republicans aren't slamming the door hard on hiking taxes. I do. Politicians often float trial balloons to gauge reaction. I think people should know what's being floated in DC so they can act or not accordingly. Would you prefer we simply wait until handed an agreement when it's too late to influence its contents?
What you're really upset with is I didn't write the post you would have written.
"Getting ready" = discussing financing options which several key Senators saying hiking the tax is an option.
"He says that a senator not on the relevant committee favors the idea.". Yes, that's true. Not sure what your point is. Senators often initiate legislation on matters even when they aren't members of the relevant committee.
"The senators he mentions who actually are on the relevant committees he says oppose it". Yes, I note that, several times. They also say it's in the mix of options. Legislating often entails supporting means you don't like (hiking the gas tax) to get to an outcome you do like (highway money)
"meaningless boilerplate about "all options being in the table for everything." " You don't think it's a big deal that Republicans aren't slamming the door hard on hiking taxes. I do. Politicians often float trial balloons to gauge reaction. I think people should know what's being floated in DC so they can act or not accordingly. Would you prefer we simply wait until handed an agreement when it's too late to influence its contents?
What you're really upset with is I didn't write the post you would have written.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (fgb4J)
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That is ridiculous.
You don't eat marshmallows like that, you eat Peeps like that.
Yes, I know that Peeps are marshmallows, just go with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (mf5HN)
*blinks*
'kay, just gonna roll with it. I've got a bag of marshmallows here now, I'm just gonna... open them and let them >_> sit... exposed to air...
...this really goes against everything I've been taught about food storage, but do what the lady says, I guess...
You don't eat marshmallows like that, you eat Peeps like that.
Yes, I know that Peeps are marshmallows, just go with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (mf5HN)
*blinks*
'kay, just gonna roll with it. I've got a bag of marshmallows here now, I'm just gonna... open them and let them >_> sit... exposed to air...
...this really goes against everything I've been taught about food storage, but do what the lady says, I guess...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (9LuAk)
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If cars get better mpg revenue goes down, so those a-holes raise fees somewhere else to cover it.
When gas prices go down no revenue is lost. Sales tax on the fuel, maybe, but that's it. In fact, there's more money to spend for trips and people start thinking about bigger cars, trucks and SUVs.
When gas prices go down no revenue is lost. Sales tax on the fuel, maybe, but that's it. In fact, there's more money to spend for trips and people start thinking about bigger cars, trucks and SUVs.
Posted by: Hank at January 08, 2015 11:04 AM (HZEIo)
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Remind me again why we were supposed to play nice to get control of Congress?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 08, 2015 11:04 AM (DT3rQ)
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I mix mine with melted butter and Rice Krispies!
Add a tablespoon or three of Fluff to keep them from getting too crunchy.
Add a tablespoon or three of Fluff to keep them from getting too crunchy.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2015 11:04 AM (zdGDf)
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"let the states control the building of most roads and bridges"
I think they do. I don't know what the proportion of Fed/State funding, but at least in PA the actually projects are developed and controlled by the state.
I think they do. I don't know what the proportion of Fed/State funding, but at least in PA the actually projects are developed and controlled by the state.
Posted by: CJ at January 08, 2015 11:04 AM (jbdp1)
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You people.
The HTF is sapping tax money away anyway, since the GF has been supporting the HTF with several billion in transfers over the last few years.
The federal excise tax on motor fuels hasn't increased since 1992, and before then it was more-or-less regularly increased to keep up with inflation. To make ends meet in the HTF, the excise tax only needs to increase a little in absolute terms, from around $0.18/gal (on gasoline) to $0.30/gal.
I do agree of course with the sentiments that the fuel excise taxes should not in anyway fund anything but the HTF; no transit, no bikes, no nut'n. We might be able to get that separated out.
And believe it, you ought to be glad the GOP would tackle this issue rather than the dems. Recall that Ofucker wanted to fund the HTF via taxes on businesses and middle-income earners by "closing loopholes". He said raising the fuel excise tax would be a non-starter.
The excise tax alone isn't the best solution for funding the road systems, especially since electric cars and low fuel use autos don't necessarily pay their way, but the alternatives are less attractive. I would like to see an exploration into an excise tax on electic/ultra high mpg vehicles at sale to help fund federal and state road systems, but that's probably a bridge too far for now.
The HTF is sapping tax money away anyway, since the GF has been supporting the HTF with several billion in transfers over the last few years.
The federal excise tax on motor fuels hasn't increased since 1992, and before then it was more-or-less regularly increased to keep up with inflation. To make ends meet in the HTF, the excise tax only needs to increase a little in absolute terms, from around $0.18/gal (on gasoline) to $0.30/gal.
I do agree of course with the sentiments that the fuel excise taxes should not in anyway fund anything but the HTF; no transit, no bikes, no nut'n. We might be able to get that separated out.
And believe it, you ought to be glad the GOP would tackle this issue rather than the dems. Recall that Ofucker wanted to fund the HTF via taxes on businesses and middle-income earners by "closing loopholes". He said raising the fuel excise tax would be a non-starter.
The excise tax alone isn't the best solution for funding the road systems, especially since electric cars and low fuel use autos don't necessarily pay their way, but the alternatives are less attractive. I would like to see an exploration into an excise tax on electic/ultra high mpg vehicles at sale to help fund federal and state road systems, but that's probably a bridge too far for now.
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:04 AM (PGXA8)
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I never eat uncooked marshmallows. Actually, I'm not even sure what they are exactly. Do they grow on a bush or something?
Have you ever had homemade marshmallows? No, of course not. No one knows what they are.
The things sit on a shelf...., well, forever, for all that I know, without spoiling. Even the bacteria don't want to eat the stuff, whatever it is.
Have you ever had homemade marshmallows? No, of course not. No one knows what they are.
The things sit on a shelf...., well, forever, for all that I know, without spoiling. Even the bacteria don't want to eat the stuff, whatever it is.
Posted by: Suspicious at January 08, 2015 11:04 AM (F2IAQ)
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3 They get a majority in both houses and their first instinct is to raise taxes? Done with repubs.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 08, 2015 10:35 AM (KFdZd)
ditto
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 08, 2015 10:35 AM (KFdZd)
ditto
Posted by: Shoey at January 08, 2015 11:05 AM (vA94g)
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How many cuts in spending are being discussed?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 11:01 AM (IXrOn)
Cuts are racist. Now, off for 18 holes with my BFF.
Fore!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 08, 2015 11:01 AM (IXrOn)
Cuts are racist. Now, off for 18 holes with my BFF.
Fore!
Posted by: John Boehner at January 08, 2015 11:05 AM (vgIRn)
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Why can't the Repumpkins say this: "Democrats want the gas taxes to go up just at the time when Americans are finally getting some relief from the disastrous economy caused by their misguided policies.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
Because the GOP is actually stupider than this guy:
The White House has made clear Obama is not advocating an increase in the gasoline tax but is willing to look at it if there is a groundswell of support for the move. Obama told business leaders last month he would talk to Republican leaders to see whether proposals for a gas tax hike "have any legs,"
Reuters
Why can't the Repumpkins say this: "Democrats want the gas taxes to go up just at the time when Americans are finally getting some relief from the disastrous economy caused by their misguided policies.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
Because the GOP is actually stupider than this guy:
The White House has made clear Obama is not advocating an increase in the gasoline tax but is willing to look at it if there is a groundswell of support for the move. Obama told business leaders last month he would talk to Republican leaders to see whether proposals for a gas tax hike "have any legs,"
Reuters
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 11:05 AM (kdS6q)
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KA - I also like the stale marshmallows. Even more than the "fresh" ones.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at January 08, 2015 11:05 AM (5Un6g)
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I would trade a hike in the gas tax for a reduction in something like income taxes.
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
I feel the same way about a state income tax vs property taxes. I would trade a higher property tax (like texas) for the elimination of the income tax. It's almost impossible for people to get away from a property tax, even when they rent it gets collected.
The more people that share a tax burden, the more likely it is that you make the populace anti-tax.
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
I feel the same way about a state income tax vs property taxes. I would trade a higher property tax (like texas) for the elimination of the income tax. It's almost impossible for people to get away from a property tax, even when they rent it gets collected.
The more people that share a tax burden, the more likely it is that you make the populace anti-tax.
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:05 AM (qGY2J)
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11 Is the federal income tax also a user fee? Can I request the usage of a tank? I have a neighbor that is bothering me.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
::: heavy, weary sigh :::
Yes, but first you must fill out, in triplicate mind you, a standard SF 2765 request form.
Make sure that in Block J where it says "pizza" you cross that out and write in "Tank, Combat, Full-tracked"
Then submit the form.
Then we'll get back to you in three years.
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I saw a government website that is selling tanks! I think it was " go liquidation.com or gov. They had a lot of cool stuff for sale.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 10:36 AM (gmeXX)
::: heavy, weary sigh :::
Yes, but first you must fill out, in triplicate mind you, a standard SF 2765 request form.
Make sure that in Block J where it says "pizza" you cross that out and write in "Tank, Combat, Full-tracked"
Then submit the form.
Then we'll get back to you in three years.
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I saw a government website that is selling tanks! I think it was " go liquidation.com or gov. They had a lot of cool stuff for sale.
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (wWs6x)
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93 @SH and @Insomniac, I was teasing.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (EBoCD)
Last man teased me like that, I gut-shot 'im and left 'im in the desert for the vultures.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (EBoCD)
Last man teased me like that, I gut-shot 'im and left 'im in the desert for the vultures.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (2Ojst)
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You know what would be a great "user fee"?
One that's appropriate and one that the government should impose?
A "user fee" on lawyers. If they bitch about "reducing access to the courts", then suggest a single-payer system.
One that's appropriate and one that the government should impose?
A "user fee" on lawyers. If they bitch about "reducing access to the courts", then suggest a single-payer system.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (b4b5c)
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The one and only way to pay for that highway system should be gasoline taxes.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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What we are collecting would be enough, if 40-odd percent of it weren't being redirected to light rail and subsidized bus routes.
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Perfect place to start: restrict the use of the Highway Trust Fund to, oh, I don't know, highways, then let's see if we have enough to fix/update the roads and bridges.
If what we are currently collecting is not enough, then raise it. It is a use-tax, plain and simple. More of a fee, really.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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What we are collecting would be enough, if 40-odd percent of it weren't being redirected to light rail and subsidized bus routes.
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Perfect place to start: restrict the use of the Highway Trust Fund to, oh, I don't know, highways, then let's see if we have enough to fix/update the roads and bridges.
Posted by: steve walsh at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (nU8lz)
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What you're really upset with is I didn't write the post you would have written.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (fgb4J)
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I'm waiting for the post that starts:
GOP cutting spending by 10%
Posted by: DrewM. at January 08, 2015 11:03 AM (fgb4J)
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I'm waiting for the post that starts:
GOP cutting spending by 10%
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (gmeXX)
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Won't it be cheaper to fix roads with all that cheap labor from the flood of illegals, btw? Why raise taxes?
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (9BRsg)
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>>Obama told business leaders last month he would talk to Republican
leaders to see whether proposals for a gas tax hike "have any legs," <<
Well, they may have "legs". But clearly not a set of balls.
leaders to see whether proposals for a gas tax hike "have any legs," <<
Well, they may have "legs". But clearly not a set of balls.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 11:06 AM (GGCsk)
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That would be "govliquidation". Auto correct.
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (wWs6x)
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How about quitting paying for urban mass transit out of my highway 'user fee'?
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (evdj2)
At least that's nominally transportation-related. This'll be like the vaunted infrastructure spending in the Stimulus, where the lefty groups started screaming that the money was all going to fund jobs for burly men, and nothing for women. So of course, instead of funding actual infrastructure (even stupid infrastructure) which would at least make job generation possible, the money was used to provide increased one time transfer payments to favored groups.
How about quitting paying for urban mass transit out of my highway 'user fee'?
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM (evdj2)
At least that's nominally transportation-related. This'll be like the vaunted infrastructure spending in the Stimulus, where the lefty groups started screaming that the money was all going to fund jobs for burly men, and nothing for women. So of course, instead of funding actual infrastructure (even stupid infrastructure) which would at least make job generation possible, the money was used to provide increased one time transfer payments to favored groups.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (TIIx5)
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What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
"I don't pay a gas tax, I take the bus!"
Well, in part they're right. The bus is subsidized by gas taxes -- state and federal. But the bus runs on gas too and that's why the fare goes up.
"I don't pay a gas tax, I take the bus!"
Well, in part they're right. The bus is subsidized by gas taxes -- state and federal. But the bus runs on gas too and that's why the fare goes up.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (b4b5c)
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"What you're really upset with is I didn't write the post you would have written."
To start with, I would have written something that wasn't inflammatory and hyperbolic. Or that implied the opposite of what the people quoted were actually saying.
But, I suppose that's what drive site-views and ad revenues. Dispassionate reporting without the outraged veneer and paranoid writing style wouldn't be as lucrative, would it? Might be actually more informative but wouldn't get all the commenters in a frenzy, though.
To start with, I would have written something that wasn't inflammatory and hyperbolic. Or that implied the opposite of what the people quoted were actually saying.
But, I suppose that's what drive site-views and ad revenues. Dispassionate reporting without the outraged veneer and paranoid writing style wouldn't be as lucrative, would it? Might be actually more informative but wouldn't get all the commenters in a frenzy, though.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (ljZD2)
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Have you ever had homemade marshmallows? No, of course not. No one knows what they are.
Posted by: Suspicious
Um -- yes? They're also a bake sale standard.
Not that hard to make. Sticky as eff though, so kinda hard to handle.
Have you ever had homemade marshmallows? No, of course not. No one knows what they are.
Posted by: Suspicious
Um -- yes? They're also a bake sale standard.
Not that hard to make. Sticky as eff though, so kinda hard to handle.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (kdS6q)
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"What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army."
HAHAHA
HAHAHA
Posted by: Subsidized Mass Transit Riders at January 08, 2015 11:08 AM (3p4eN)
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"federal excise tax on motor fuels hasn't increased since 1992"
So what? MV tax collections have gone up since then (and are rising again), and BTW, the Commonwealth has raised my fuel taxes.
So what? MV tax collections have gone up since then (and are rising again), and BTW, the Commonwealth has raised my fuel taxes.
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:08 AM (/jpU8)
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I would trade a hike in the gas tax for a reduction in something like income taxes.
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
I feel the same way about a state income tax vs property taxes. I would trade a higher property tax (like texas) for the elimination of the income tax. It's almost impossible for people to get away from a property tax, even when they rent it gets collected.
The more people that share a tax burden, the more likely it is that you make the populace anti-tax.
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I agree completely with this - other than the property tax issue. Texas needs serious property tax reform. It is way too high. But it is Texas burden to reform.
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
I feel the same way about a state income tax vs property taxes. I would trade a higher property tax (like texas) for the elimination of the income tax. It's almost impossible for people to get away from a property tax, even when they rent it gets collected.
The more people that share a tax burden, the more likely it is that you make the populace anti-tax.
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I agree completely with this - other than the property tax issue. Texas needs serious property tax reform. It is way too high. But it is Texas burden to reform.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 11:08 AM (gmeXX)
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OK, here's my marshmallow rant. It's another manifestation of the Evil of Big Corn. [insert previous Big Corn rants here].
I was well-schooled in marshmallow roasting as a kid. It was important. You put the mallow on a stick and you hold it by the fire trying to get the outer skin to brown evenly. Then you peel of the crisp brown gooeyness and eat it. Then re-toast the underlying marshmallow.
The sign of a master mallow roaster was how many layers of skin you could get from one marshmallow. 7 or 8 was pretty good.
So I try to school my young'uns in the Old Ways. We get a huge glob with the first level. Lucky to get past the second level.
You know why? Corn syrup!!! Old marshmallows were made out of sugar. This new glop may be marshmallow flavored, but if you can't peel it 8 times it's not a marshmallow.
Because Big Corn.
OK, here's my marshmallow rant. It's another manifestation of the Evil of Big Corn. [insert previous Big Corn rants here].
I was well-schooled in marshmallow roasting as a kid. It was important. You put the mallow on a stick and you hold it by the fire trying to get the outer skin to brown evenly. Then you peel of the crisp brown gooeyness and eat it. Then re-toast the underlying marshmallow.
The sign of a master mallow roaster was how many layers of skin you could get from one marshmallow. 7 or 8 was pretty good.
So I try to school my young'uns in the Old Ways. We get a huge glob with the first level. Lucky to get past the second level.
You know why? Corn syrup!!! Old marshmallows were made out of sugar. This new glop may be marshmallow flavored, but if you can't peel it 8 times it's not a marshmallow.
Because Big Corn.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (JtwS4)
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Higher gas prices hits everything. Except it hits disproprtionately the commuting that suburbanites and rural ppl use. You know, to the jobs that are paying for the free shit.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (9BRsg)
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The HTF is sapping tax money away anyway, since the GF has been supporting the HTF with several billion in transfers over the last few years.
I find it quaint when people who should know better think that the little dividing lines in the federal ledger mean jack shit.
I find it quaint when people who should know better think that the little dividing lines in the federal ledger mean jack shit.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (GGV+f)
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I suppose that's what drive site-views and ad revenues. Dispassionate reporting without the outraged veneer and paranoid writing style wouldn't be as lucrative, would it? Might be actually more informative but wouldn't get all the commenters in a frenzy, though.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
The preceding post was courtesy of the Georgetown University Capitol Hill student intern program.
Go Bulldogs!
I suppose that's what drive site-views and ad revenues. Dispassionate reporting without the outraged veneer and paranoid writing style wouldn't be as lucrative, would it? Might be actually more informative but wouldn't get all the commenters in a frenzy, though.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
The preceding post was courtesy of the Georgetown University Capitol Hill student intern program.
Go Bulldogs!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 11:10 AM (kdS6q)
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Higher gas prices hits everything. Except it hits disproprtionately the commuting that suburbanites and rural ppl use. You know, to the jobs that are paying for the free shit.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (9BRsg)
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That's a good point too.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (9BRsg)
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That's a good point too.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 11:10 AM (gmeXX)
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"I find it quaint when people who should know better think that the little dividing lines in the federal ledger mean jack shit."
Next you'll be telling us that the Lock Box is bogus!
Next you'll be telling us that the Lock Box is bogus!
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:10 AM (/jpU8)
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No, gas tax hits working ppl higher than the free shit army. Your logic is flawed.
What happened to cutting spending?
What happened to cutting spending?
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (9BRsg)
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@150. Someone who actually understands math. And how choices in a political system with competing options and factions actually works.
But, that kind of understanding doesn't drive site hits, does it?
But, that kind of understanding doesn't drive site hits, does it?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (ljZD2)
Posted by: Trey Gowdy (D) at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (XzRw1)
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Oh there's Drew again. Attacking our betters in Washington.
/s
And I see that the usual GOP apologists were out to play cover for our rulers.
/s
And I see that the usual GOP apologists were out to play cover for our rulers.
Posted by: buzzion at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (zt+N6)
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OK, here's my marshmallow rant. It's another manifestation of the Evil of Big Corn. [insert previous Big Corn rants here].
I
was well-schooled in marshmallow roasting as a kid. It was important.
You put the mallow on a stick and you hold it by the fire trying to get
the outer skin to brown evenly. Then you peel of the crisp brown
gooeyness and eat it. Then re-toast the underlying marshmallow.
The sign of a master mallow roaster was how many layers of skin you could get from one marshmallow. 7 or 8 was pretty good.
So I try to school my young'uns in the Old Ways. We get a huge glob with the first level. Lucky to get past the second level.
You
know why? Corn syrup!!! Old marshmallows were made out of sugar. This
new glop may be marshmallow flavored, but if you can't peel it 8 times
it's not a marshmallow.
Because Big Corn.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (JtwS4)
Man, roasting good, old-fashioned marshmallows by a campfire... that takes me way back. Hot damn do I feel old now. -_-
Also, my secretary's daughter is in my office right now, and she just said, no joke, "I'm not really a fan of s'mores." I don't think she is an American. >_>
OK, here's my marshmallow rant. It's another manifestation of the Evil of Big Corn. [insert previous Big Corn rants here].
I
was well-schooled in marshmallow roasting as a kid. It was important.
You put the mallow on a stick and you hold it by the fire trying to get
the outer skin to brown evenly. Then you peel of the crisp brown
gooeyness and eat it. Then re-toast the underlying marshmallow.
The sign of a master mallow roaster was how many layers of skin you could get from one marshmallow. 7 or 8 was pretty good.
So I try to school my young'uns in the Old Ways. We get a huge glob with the first level. Lucky to get past the second level.
You
know why? Corn syrup!!! Old marshmallows were made out of sugar. This
new glop may be marshmallow flavored, but if you can't peel it 8 times
it's not a marshmallow.
Because Big Corn.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (JtwS4)
Man, roasting good, old-fashioned marshmallows by a campfire... that takes me way back. Hot damn do I feel old now. -_-
Also, my secretary's daughter is in my office right now, and she just said, no joke, "I'm not really a fan of s'mores." I don't think she is an American. >_>
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (9LuAk)
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then current MV taxes equaled close to one hundred thousand dollars per mile of paved public road per year.
A quick search on wikipedia says 2.6 million miles of paved road in the US. rita.dot.gov gives it as 2.605m for 2011, & 2.646m for 2012.
$264,000,000,000 sounds a touch high, but maybe not.
A quick search on wikipedia says 2.6 million miles of paved road in the US. rita.dot.gov gives it as 2.605m for 2011, & 2.646m for 2012.
$264,000,000,000 sounds a touch high, but maybe not.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (MbqmP)
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What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
No it doesn't. Mass transit.
Come to think...transit, housing, food and living expenses, medical needs...is there anything the FSA actually pays for by itself anymore?
No it doesn't. Mass transit.
Come to think...transit, housing, food and living expenses, medical needs...is there anything the FSA actually pays for by itself anymore?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 08, 2015 11:11 AM (DT3rQ)
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Have you ever had homemade marshmallows? No, of course not. No one knows what they are.
Posted by: Suspicious
HOMEMADE MARSHMELLOWS ARE MADE FROM PEOPLE. THEY'RE PEOPLE!
Posted by: Suspicious
HOMEMADE MARSHMELLOWS ARE MADE FROM PEOPLE. THEY'RE PEOPLE!
Posted by: Zombie Charlton Heston at January 08, 2015 11:12 AM (3p4eN)
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Otoh, you can have great fun with mini marshmallows.
Eight year old boy or equivalent required.
Take the boy to Home Depot. Buy various lengths of and fittings for the PVC pipe that's the diameter of a mini-mallow.
Assembly goofy designs for blow guns.
Show Mom that she can be accurately targeted at 30 paces!
Otoh, you can have great fun with mini marshmallows.
Eight year old boy or equivalent required.
Take the boy to Home Depot. Buy various lengths of and fittings for the PVC pipe that's the diameter of a mini-mallow.
Assembly goofy designs for blow guns.
Show Mom that she can be accurately targeted at 30 paces!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 08, 2015 11:12 AM (JtwS4)
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>>Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (ljZD2)
<<
Republicans clearly state raising the gas tax is "on the table". There are several influential senators stating that.
I've worked with Congress long enough to know this is a trial balloon. As Drew stated it should be shot down immediately.
More importantly, one has to wonder why staff did this and why aren't they slamming the door shut on what the GOP has told us is a fundamental principle- lower spending and taxes.
This sends the message that nothing has changed.
It's their curious misstep and people should be enraged. This is exactly what people voted against.
But it's only "conservatives" making noise or something. Sure.
More like a majority of the party.
<<
Republicans clearly state raising the gas tax is "on the table". There are several influential senators stating that.
I've worked with Congress long enough to know this is a trial balloon. As Drew stated it should be shot down immediately.
More importantly, one has to wonder why staff did this and why aren't they slamming the door shut on what the GOP has told us is a fundamental principle- lower spending and taxes.
This sends the message that nothing has changed.
It's their curious misstep and people should be enraged. This is exactly what people voted against.
But it's only "conservatives" making noise or something. Sure.
More like a majority of the party.
Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2015 11:12 AM (GGCsk)
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you eat Peeps like that.
Yes, I know that Peeps are marshmallows, just go with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM
Wait...Peeps are food items?
Yes, I know that Peeps are marshmallows, just go with it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:59 AM
Wait...Peeps are food items?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2015 11:12 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: PeeteySDee at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (CMbMd)
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I hope Krauthammer is not advising the Senate since he's been in favor of a hike in the fuel tax for years now.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (3jmxp)
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OMG you guys eat marshmallows?
Dont you care what goes in your mouth?
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (GGV+f)
I feel like I missed something really significant when I skipped the Steve Kroft thread the other day...
Dont you care what goes in your mouth?
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:09 AM (GGV+f)
I feel like I missed something really significant when I skipped the Steve Kroft thread the other day...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (9LuAk)
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@150. Someone who actually understands math. And how choices in a political system with competing options and factions actually works.
But, that kind of understanding doesn't drive site hits, does it?
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I hate the concept of government trust funds and specific taxes (er, user fees). Taxes are taxes. They all go to the same account - the federal ledger.
But, that kind of understanding doesn't drive site hits, does it?
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I hate the concept of government trust funds and specific taxes (er, user fees). Taxes are taxes. They all go to the same account - the federal ledger.
Posted by: SH at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (gfB4n)
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What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
The chatter is any increase would be offset for Obama voters by an increase in the earned income credit and other programs.
Cause fairness and/or racism.
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
The chatter is any increase would be offset for Obama voters by an increase in the earned income credit and other programs.
Cause fairness and/or racism.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (kdS6q)
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What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army.
Ride the bus, walk, bum a ride, carjack.
How does it hit the FSA again?
Ride the bus, walk, bum a ride, carjack.
How does it hit the FSA again?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2015 11:14 AM (r4xn5)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:07 AM (ljZD2)
Oh, I didn't write the post you would have and I didn't do it in the style you would have.
Well, I'll just have to try and carry on knowing I've disappointed you.
Oh, I didn't write the post you would have and I didn't do it in the style you would have.
Well, I'll just have to try and carry on knowing I've disappointed you.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 08, 2015 11:14 AM (fgb4J)
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And how choices in a political system with competing options and factions actually works.
We haven't made a difficult budgetary decision in decades.
You should be wearing your can kicking noise filter 24/7 now.
We haven't made a difficult budgetary decision in decades.
You should be wearing your can kicking noise filter 24/7 now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2015 11:14 AM (659DL)
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There's also people that walk to work. It's not going to hit everyone, but I would much rather take my chances with a gas tax than the nearly 1 in 2 that don't pay a cent in income taxes.
It would have to be traded with a tax offset somewhere else, I'm definitely opposed to merely raising the gas tax.
It would have to be traded with a tax offset somewhere else, I'm definitely opposed to merely raising the gas tax.
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:14 AM (qGY2J)
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Way OT for AtC:
"BEN ROETHLISBERGER: NO FAIR! HOW DID WE LOSE TO THE PURPLE BROWNS?"
Purple Browns - LOL
Can raptors run in -2 degrees?
"BEN ROETHLISBERGER: NO FAIR! HOW DID WE LOSE TO THE PURPLE BROWNS?"
Purple Browns - LOL
Can raptors run in -2 degrees?
Posted by: DaveA at January 08, 2015 11:14 AM (DL2i+)
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@197 Oh, I'm sure you will. You know your role here. Everybody in media has one. Thanks for playing to type so consistently.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:15 AM (ljZD2)
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69 Beginning in January, Pennsylvanians started paying taxes of about 69 cents on every gallon of gasoline at the
pump -- 50.5 cents in state tax and 18.4 cents in federal tax.
Diesel
users
will pay 88.4 cents per gallon -- 64.2 cents in state tax and 24.4 in
federal tax.
The national gross profit margin for gasoline is about 32 cents per gallon, less than half the taxes on the gasoline.
If "Big Oil" is getting rich .. then "Big Taxes" are getting even richer.
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I am quite sure we pay more in Michigan, and most of our roads are crap. The unions repair them annually but the repairs never quite hold up. Funny how that works!
pump -- 50.5 cents in state tax and 18.4 cents in federal tax.
Diesel
users
will pay 88.4 cents per gallon -- 64.2 cents in state tax and 24.4 in
federal tax.
The national gross profit margin for gasoline is about 32 cents per gallon, less than half the taxes on the gasoline.
If "Big Oil" is getting rich .. then "Big Taxes" are getting even richer.
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I am quite sure we pay more in Michigan, and most of our roads are crap. The unions repair them annually but the repairs never quite hold up. Funny how that works!
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 08, 2015 11:15 AM (wWs6x)
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Get ready (bend over and lube):
Our state gas tax went up ten cents on January 2nd. With a GOPe governor, House and Senate Pennsylvania boosted our state gas tax from the current 31.2 cents a gallon to 59.2 cents by 2018. Expect more from the federal GOPe.
Get ready (bend over and lube):
Our state gas tax went up ten cents on January 2nd. With a GOPe governor, House and Senate Pennsylvania boosted our state gas tax from the current 31.2 cents a gallon to 59.2 cents by 2018. Expect more from the federal GOPe.
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 08, 2015 11:15 AM (RcpcZ)
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I think the art open threads prove you dont need inflammatory language to drive page views here
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:15 AM (GGV+f)
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I don't care for s'mores either. KA, is your secretary single?
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (gfB4n)
Negative, she's a God-fearing Latina chick with an athletic, dynamite figure and a very generous bust, and her husband, lucky devil that he is, is NOT letting go of her anytime soon.
But she doesn't like garlic.
Or Nutella.
I don't think she's an American, either. >_> Can't be, not if she hates garlic.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at January 08, 2015 11:13 AM (gfB4n)
Negative, she's a God-fearing Latina chick with an athletic, dynamite figure and a very generous bust, and her husband, lucky devil that he is, is NOT letting go of her anytime soon.
But she doesn't like garlic.
Or Nutella.
I don't think she's an American, either. >_> Can't be, not if she hates garlic.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (9LuAk)
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He links to an article offering the opinion of someone at Iowa St. University.
I know a bit about this particular school. First, the econ department is half in the college of Liberal Arts and Sciences and half in the college of Agriculture. It's a bloated department that loses money. (The sainted math department, for instance, makes money hand-over-fist from teaching and is forced to give it away to departments like econ who give interviews to media outlets.)
Like most economics departments, they have no idea what the hell they're doing, but they make a lot of money contracting out their lack of knowledge.
However, here is the guy you're talking about:
David Swenson, an ISU associate scientist in economics,
An associate what, now?
Well, this uncredentialed little troll has a Ph.D. in...nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Here is his education:
* MA, Urban and Regional Planning, The University of Iowa, 1985
* MA, Political Science, The University of South Dakota, 1980
* BA, Political Science / Criminal Justice, The University of South Dakota, 1979
* Bachelor Rhymes, Minors in ABCs, Sharing, and Coloring, Cheyenne Eagle Butte (SD) Kindergarten, 1961
Shut it down. Shut down the social "sciences". Who is paying this nobody? I mean, at least serve us the BS on a platter with a Ph.D. They can't even manage that.
I know a bit about this particular school. First, the econ department is half in the college of Liberal Arts and Sciences and half in the college of Agriculture. It's a bloated department that loses money. (The sainted math department, for instance, makes money hand-over-fist from teaching and is forced to give it away to departments like econ who give interviews to media outlets.)
Like most economics departments, they have no idea what the hell they're doing, but they make a lot of money contracting out their lack of knowledge.
However, here is the guy you're talking about:
David Swenson, an ISU associate scientist in economics,
An associate what, now?
Well, this uncredentialed little troll has a Ph.D. in...nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Here is his education:
* MA, Urban and Regional Planning, The University of Iowa, 1985
* MA, Political Science, The University of South Dakota, 1980
* BA, Political Science / Criminal Justice, The University of South Dakota, 1979
* Bachelor Rhymes, Minors in ABCs, Sharing, and Coloring, Cheyenne Eagle Butte (SD) Kindergarten, 1961
Shut it down. Shut down the social "sciences". Who is paying this nobody? I mean, at least serve us the BS on a platter with a Ph.D. They can't even manage that.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (b4b5c)
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Higher gas prices hits everything. Except it hits disproprtionately the
commuting that suburbanites and rural ppl use. You know, to the jobs
that are paying for the free shit.
Posted by: Y-not
Couldn't you say the same thing about an income tax?
I would rather have a lower income tax for the middle class and everyone pay a little more to fill their tank.
Think of the 20 million or so illegals that don't pay an income tax. At least in my state, a lot of them drive cars.
commuting that suburbanites and rural ppl use. You know, to the jobs
that are paying for the free shit.
Posted by: Y-not
Couldn't you say the same thing about an income tax?
I would rather have a lower income tax for the middle class and everyone pay a little more to fill their tank.
Think of the 20 million or so illegals that don't pay an income tax. At least in my state, a lot of them drive cars.
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (qGY2J)
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Drew is just a shill for Big Media!
Posted by: butttrumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (MbqmP)
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I think the art open threads prove you dont need inflammatory language to drive page views here
Spoken like a f***ing crossbowist arugala-eater.
Spoken like a f***ing crossbowist arugala-eater.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (DT3rQ)
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@198 True, for the most part. And as soon as someone opens the door to even thinking about a difficult budgetary decision, the "true con" shock troops led by 2nd Lt. Drew are banging their little war drums to stifle that shit.
And then will complain later about what cowards politicians are.
Rinse and repeat.
And then will complain later about what cowards politicians are.
Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (ljZD2)
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I think the art open threads prove you dont need inflammatory language to drive page views here
Posted by: Steve Kroft
All you need is a bottle of bubbly and a willing butt!
Posted by: Steve Kroft
All you need is a bottle of bubbly and a willing butt!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2015 11:17 AM (r4xn5)
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@197 Oh, I'm sure you will. You know your role here. Everybody in media has one. Thanks for playing to type so consistently.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:15 AM (ljZD2)
Holy freakin' shit at the passive-aggressive Nancyboy crap right here.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:15 AM (ljZD2)
Holy freakin' shit at the passive-aggressive Nancyboy crap right here.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:18 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:18 AM (XzRw1)
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I typically eat peeps out of an ass crack. But that's just me.
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:18 AM (GGCsk)
215
"So what? MV tax collections have gone up since then (and are rising again), and BTW, the Commonwealth has raised my fuel taxes."
So what? to you too. Just because revenue is up doesn't mean it's up enough. I'd rather we pay for the highway system by having drivers pay for it than based on income or whatever (which is what is happening now with the transfer payments from the GF).
The commonwealth also raised my gas taxes. but since I'm paying ~$0.15 /gal an not $0.40/gal in state taxes (like I was in CA), it's not like it's a show stopper.
Things cost money. Roads are actually something the gov't has some business doing, so I don't mind funding them as long as we're paying reasonable costs (compared to say, a network of private roads).
So what? to you too. Just because revenue is up doesn't mean it's up enough. I'd rather we pay for the highway system by having drivers pay for it than based on income or whatever (which is what is happening now with the transfer payments from the GF).
The commonwealth also raised my gas taxes. but since I'm paying ~$0.15 /gal an not $0.40/gal in state taxes (like I was in CA), it's not like it's a show stopper.
Things cost money. Roads are actually something the gov't has some business doing, so I don't mind funding them as long as we're paying reasonable costs (compared to say, a network of private roads).
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:18 AM (PGXA8)
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New post up
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:20 AM (9LuAk)
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Things cost money. Roads are actually something the gov't has some business doing, so I don't mind funding them as long as we're paying reasonable costs (compared to say, a network of private roads).
But they cost so much because of corruption. In particular, union corruption. And not just unions-cost-more corruption but unions-have-a-monopoly-and-can-set-prices corruption.
But they cost so much because of corruption. In particular, union corruption. And not just unions-cost-more corruption but unions-have-a-monopoly-and-can-set-prices corruption.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (b4b5c)
218
@215 You better stop it with the adult, common-sense. Some folks think that marks you as a GOPe infiltrator.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (ljZD2)
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"The gas tax hike in Pennsylvania worked out well for Tom Corbett."
To be fair, that really wasn't an issue. He was done way before that. And it wasn't technically a tax at the pump.
To be fair, that really wasn't an issue. He was done way before that. And it wasn't technically a tax at the pump.
Posted by: CJ at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (jbdp1)
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (86puV)
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Um -- yes? They're also a bake sale standard.
Not that hard to make. Sticky as eff though, so kinda hard to handle.
Posted by: Laurie
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Okay, in my not-so-vast experience, I've never encountered home-made marshmallows.
I remain suspicious. The whole thing reeks of a conspiracy. Some kind of network thing cooked up by the Michelin Man, the Pillsbury Dough Boy, and the Stay Puft guy.
They're up to no good...., and now I have to keep an eye on bake sales.
Not that hard to make. Sticky as eff though, so kinda hard to handle.
Posted by: Laurie
----------------------------
Okay, in my not-so-vast experience, I've never encountered home-made marshmallows.
I remain suspicious. The whole thing reeks of a conspiracy. Some kind of network thing cooked up by the Michelin Man, the Pillsbury Dough Boy, and the Stay Puft guy.
They're up to no good...., and now I have to keep an eye on bake sales.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 11:22 AM (F2IAQ)
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@215 You better stop it with the adult, common-sense. Some folks think that marks you as a GOPe infiltrator.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (ljZD2)
"adult" 'n "common-sense" are hallmarks of Barky O'Jugears, so yeah that'd be a good marker of GOPe infiltrator.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (ljZD2)
"adult" 'n "common-sense" are hallmarks of Barky O'Jugears, so yeah that'd be a good marker of GOPe infiltrator.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 08, 2015 11:22 AM (9LuAk)
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I typically eat peeps out of an ass crack. But that's just me.
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:18 AM
See...this is what I get for being on vacation. I'm pretty sure I missed one hell of a thread somewhere along the line.
Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 08, 2015 11:18 AM
See...this is what I get for being on vacation. I'm pretty sure I missed one hell of a thread somewhere along the line.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2015 11:23 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2015 11:23 AM (TIIx5)
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Yep. Make them every year.
Posted by: garrett
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Great Heavens!
It's epidemic. Creeping marshmallowism.
Posted by: garrett
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Great Heavens!
It's epidemic. Creeping marshmallowism.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 11:23 AM (F2IAQ)
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"But, that kind of understanding doesn't drive site hits, does it?"
Ehhh, Drew's a bit bait-y, but what drives long time Morons is ace's humor and disrespect. The only reason I even bothered reading this post was because I actually know something about the HTF.
Ehhh, Drew's a bit bait-y, but what drives long time Morons is ace's humor and disrespect.
The only reason I even bothered reading this post was because I actually know something about the HTF.Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:23 AM (PGXA8)
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I think conservatives have painted themselves in a corner to where we've reduced taxes on enough people that it's come back to haunt us.
The lower end pays way too little and the higher end pays too much.
We've created a voter base that no longer sees the link between "more spending equals higher taxes on THEM" because they don't really pay any income taxes anymore.
The main purpose of lowering taxes is to reduce the size of government, but if you have voters that simply aren't on the hook for government spending any longer, you're actually increasing the size of government because those same voters have no issue with bigger government because they don't pay for it.
The lower end pays way too little and the higher end pays too much.
We've created a voter base that no longer sees the link between "more spending equals higher taxes on THEM" because they don't really pay any income taxes anymore.
The main purpose of lowering taxes is to reduce the size of government, but if you have voters that simply aren't on the hook for government spending any longer, you're actually increasing the size of government because those same voters have no issue with bigger government because they don't pay for it.
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:23 AM (qGY2J)
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See...this is what I get for being on vacation. I'm pretty sure I missed one hell of a thread somewhere along the line.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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ONT, last night. Do not go there.
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ONT, last night. Do not go there.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 11:24 AM (F2IAQ)
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@227 Exactly.
Gas taxes are actually one of the few things that everybody does pay, at least everybody who drives, which is most people.
Gas taxes are actually one of the few things that everybody does pay, at least everybody who drives, which is most people.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at January 08, 2015 11:25 AM (ljZD2)
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What I want to know is will Bowe Bergdahl have to pay that extra gas tax user fee thingy?
Posted by: Hank at January 08, 2015 11:25 AM (HZEIo)
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Gas taxes are actually one of the few things that everybody does pay, at least everybody who drives, which is most people.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
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It's a cost of EVERY good and service. Every good and service.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
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It's a cost of EVERY good and service. Every good and service.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2015 11:26 AM (F2IAQ)
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I mentioned the chocolate nipple magic hard shell thing on yesterday's thread and got a bunch of emails for instructions...
Posted by: Marcus T at January 08, 2015 11:26 AM (GGCsk)
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"But they cost so much because of corruption. In particular, union corruption. And not just unions-cost-more corruption but unions-have-a-monopoly-and-can-set-prices corruption."
I don't dispute this. I don't know how much there is in road construction, but the Women and Minority Owned Business preference is a GD affront to the ideals of America. But I think most of the actual construction contracting for the interstates is done by the states with fed money, so it probably varies by state.
It's not too surprising which states spend the most on roads (based on their excise taxes on fuel). CA, NY, MI, etc
I don't dispute this. I don't know how much there is in road construction, but the Women and Minority Owned Business preference is a GD affront to the ideals of America. But I think most of the actual construction contracting for the interstates is done by the states with fed money, so it probably varies by state.
It's not too surprising which states spend the most on roads (based on their excise taxes on fuel). CA, NY, MI, etc
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:28 AM (PGXA8)
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But they cost so much because of corruption. In
particular, union corruption. And not just unions-cost-more corruption
but unions-have-a-monopoly-and-can-set-prices corruption.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (b4b5c)
Union prevailing wage definitely drives up transportation infrastructure costs (and school/any public construction cost), but infrastructure costs a lot - period. If we got rid of unions tomorrow it would still cost a lot. But this is the kind of thing, of the limited kinds of things, that government has a responsibility for.
particular, union corruption. And not just unions-cost-more corruption
but unions-have-a-monopoly-and-can-set-prices corruption.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2015 11:21 AM (b4b5c)
Union prevailing wage definitely drives up transportation infrastructure costs (and school/any public construction cost), but infrastructure costs a lot - period. If we got rid of unions tomorrow it would still cost a lot. But this is the kind of thing, of the limited kinds of things, that government has a responsibility for.
Posted by: CJ at January 08, 2015 11:31 AM (jbdp1)
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"It's a cost of EVERY good and service. Every good and service."
Any tax is to some degree. Motor fuel taxes uniquely impact consumers of roadways. The excise taxes on trucks (large tires and such) being too low (relative to the wear and tear caused by trucks) means that regular drivers subsidize one of the more expensive forms of interstate transport of goods. See the eternal battle between the railroads and the trucking industry
Any tax is to some degree. Motor fuel taxes uniquely impact consumers of roadways. The excise taxes on trucks (large tires and such) being too low (relative to the wear and tear caused by trucks) means that regular drivers subsidize one of the more expensive forms of interstate transport of goods. See the eternal battle between the railroads and the trucking industry
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:33 AM (PGXA8)
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No doubt there's quite a bit of corruption in infrastructure projects, but i'd rather take my chances with that government spending versus entitlements.
Obamaphones and food stamps versus highways being built?
Obamaphones and food stamps versus highways being built?
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:33 AM (qGY2J)
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It's a cost of EVERY good and service. Every good and service.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
Again though, income tax rates also have a
large impact on the overall economy, so if you can offset one with the
other, it will smooth that out.
But for the sake or argument,
let's say a lower gas tax has more economic stimulation than a lower
income tax. I would trade that to have a "flatter" tax that less people can push on to another group because I genuinely believe it changes people's voting patterns when people escape taxes that others end up paying.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
Again though, income tax rates also have a
large impact on the overall economy, so if you can offset one with the
other, it will smooth that out.
But for the sake or argument,
let's say a lower gas tax has more economic stimulation than a lower
income tax. I would trade that to have a "flatter" tax that less people can push on to another group because I genuinely believe it changes people's voting patterns when people escape taxes that others end up paying.
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:36 AM (qGY2J)
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It is a common understanding among those who work in government at the state level...federal too I suppose, that the first place to look for corruption is in the Transportation Department and in the Corrections Department (prisons).
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2015 11:38 AM (08Znv)
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In before the Republican toadys!
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 08, 2015 11:39 AM (evdj2)
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If not pointed out earlier, video of the French female cop that was shot today shows the gas prices at the station where it happened. Doing rough map I think gas is about $6 a gallon (1.22 euros per liter) there. How many politicians drooled when they saw that sign and did the math? You know they want to do the same to us.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 08, 2015 11:40 AM (7v8o1)
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map = math
Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 08, 2015 11:40 AM (7v8o1)
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Have you ever had homemade marshmallows?
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Yes. In fact, I've made them. They're delicious, but you have to use gelatin and that can add an unwanted dimension to them. Also far too much work, but again... delicious.
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Yes. In fact, I've made them. They're delicious, but you have to use gelatin and that can add an unwanted dimension to them. Also far too much work, but again... delicious.
Posted by: Mega at January 08, 2015 11:41 AM (hHFOx)
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We've created a voter base that no longer sees the link between "more spending equals higher taxes on THEM" because they don't really pay any income taxes anymore.
Yep. Republicans have accentuated the progressive taxation curve.
Yep. Republicans have accentuated the progressive taxation curve.
Posted by: toby928(C) at January 08, 2015 11:41 AM (evdj2)
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I wouldn't in theory have a problem with "user fees" paying for the roads.
Theory and practice with the DC clowns aren't even close to the same thing.
First, you say transportation pays for roads, and they hear roads and bike paths and green spaces and pedestrian overpasses and on and on. Mission creep in a tightly run organization is inevitable, with DC it's insane.
Second. All the money goes into a big pot and gets spent, and then some.
Segregated funds my ass. How bout that SS trust fund? Emptied for the glorious socialist future! Forward!
Theory and practice with the DC clowns aren't even close to the same thing.
First, you say transportation pays for roads, and they hear roads and bike paths and green spaces and pedestrian overpasses and on and on. Mission creep in a tightly run organization is inevitable, with DC it's insane.
Second. All the money goes into a big pot and gets spent, and then some.
Segregated funds my ass. How bout that SS trust fund? Emptied for the glorious socialist future! Forward!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 08, 2015 11:42 AM (XmOA9)
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"Just because revenue is up doesn't mean it's up enough."
Yes, it is. 2012 figures in at 360,000,000 gallons of gasoline sold daily...
Yes, it is. 2012 figures in at 360,000,000 gallons of gasoline sold daily...
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:43 AM (/jpU8)
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I should say, even though I'm no fan of Drew's tone usually, it's pretty clear that the excise tax on motor fuel is going to be increased sometime soon. Everyone in transportation knows it's going to have to happen if we want to maintain the idea of the HTF, so it's really just working out the details.
Where I differ from Drew is that I don't believe that it's something we should really be concerned with until we do see those details.
Where I differ from Drew is that I don't believe that it's something we should really be concerned with until we do see those details.
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:44 AM (PGXA8)
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we want to maintain the Fiction of the HTF"
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:45 AM (/jpU8)
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"First, you say transportation pays for roads, and they hear roads and bike paths and green spaces and pedestrian overpasses and on and on"
This. Most State's funds cover this garbage, with another 20 percent of Fed "seed" monies thrown in.
But hey, higher taxes per gallon = a good thing, amirite?
This. Most State's funds cover this garbage, with another 20 percent of Fed "seed" monies thrown in.
But hey, higher taxes per gallon = a good thing, amirite?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:47 AM (/jpU8)
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243 Yep. Republicans have accentuated the progressive taxation curve.
Posted by: toby928(C)
It's an unfortunate position, but I really think moving forward conservatives can't simply say "less taxes" because we've dropped so many from the rolls that it's starting to bite us in the ass.
An across the board income tax reduction would probably simply mean more Democrat voters that no longer share the burden. Which means bigger government.
We need a lower, flatter taxes that EVERYONE pays.
243 Yep. Republicans have accentuated the progressive taxation curve.
Posted by: toby928(C)
It's an unfortunate position, but I really think moving forward conservatives can't simply say "less taxes" because we've dropped so many from the rolls that it's starting to bite us in the ass.
An across the board income tax reduction would probably simply mean more Democrat voters that no longer share the burden. Which means bigger government.
We need a lower, flatter taxes that EVERYONE pays.
Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2015 11:47 AM (qGY2J)
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It's pretty well acknowledged that here in Michigan, our roads are absolutely abysmal. Lots of reasons for this, not the least is the union make work programs, the choice of the state to use suboptimal materials to "save money" , a vicious freeze thaw cycle, heavy truck traffic with ever increasing weight approvals, etc.
So, a few weeks ago, the Republican legislature and Republican gov. passed and signed a "controversial" bill that directs all the state gasoline tax money to be used for.....roads.
Over 40% of the current gasoline tax was being diverted and given to.....schools. Who are now screaming bloody murder.
Gas taxes often are not directed into a trust fund, but instead, are sent to the general treasury. Where they immediately get spent on votes, i.e. schools, the children, day care, homeless shelters, etc. And the roads go to hell.
My own local school district is losing around $1M due to this appropriate redirection of money to what the taxes are actually supposed to be used for.
As my neighbors have said, isn't the lottery supposed to benefit schools? That's another conversation.....
So, a few weeks ago, the Republican legislature and Republican gov. passed and signed a "controversial" bill that directs all the state gasoline tax money to be used for.....roads.
Over 40% of the current gasoline tax was being diverted and given to.....schools. Who are now screaming bloody murder.
Gas taxes often are not directed into a trust fund, but instead, are sent to the general treasury. Where they immediately get spent on votes, i.e. schools, the children, day care, homeless shelters, etc. And the roads go to hell.
My own local school district is losing around $1M due to this appropriate redirection of money to what the taxes are actually supposed to be used for.
As my neighbors have said, isn't the lottery supposed to benefit schools? That's another conversation.....
Posted by: Jen the original at January 08, 2015 11:49 AM (kF3VB)
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Where I differ from Drew is that I don't believe that it's something we should really be concerned with until we do see those details.
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:44 AM
That exactly right.
The devils are in the details. But good luck getting politicians who don't even read their own fucking bill to be honest in explaining it.
They pass it. Then it gets read by outside groups and we find out what's in it.
TARP
PORKULOUS I, II, III
ACA
CROMULOUS
same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:44 AM
That exactly right.
The devils are in the details. But good luck getting politicians who don't even read their own fucking bill to be honest in explaining it.
They pass it. Then it gets read by outside groups and we find out what's in it.
TARP
PORKULOUS I, II, III
ACA
CROMULOUS
same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 08, 2015 11:51 AM (XmOA9)
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"Gas taxes often are not directed into a trust fund, but instead, are sent to the general treasury"
Hush your mouth!
Hush your mouth!
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:52 AM (/jpU8)
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If you want to save the highway trust fund, simply repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. We'll get more highways and bridges repaired for less money.
I deal with that abomnation nearly daily and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that the bureauracracy and overhead costs are far more than what they would get from the tax hike.
I deal with that abomnation nearly daily and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that the bureauracracy and overhead costs are far more than what they would get from the tax hike.
Posted by: Max Entropy at January 08, 2015 11:53 AM (cgtTL)
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This. Most State's funds cover this garbage, with another 20 percent of Fed "seed" monies thrown in.
But hey, higher taxes per gallon = a good thing, amirite?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:47 AM (/jpU
I was under the impression that those percentages were reversed, in that states have to come up with 20% and the feds cover the rest.
Which is why states don't fight federal encroachment on what are usually states issues, because they see an opportunity to offload costs onto the feds
But hey, higher taxes per gallon = a good thing, amirite?
Posted by: anon a mouse at January 08, 2015 11:47 AM (/jpU
I was under the impression that those percentages were reversed, in that states have to come up with 20% and the feds cover the rest.
Which is why states don't fight federal encroachment on what are usually states issues, because they see an opportunity to offload costs onto the feds
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 08, 2015 11:55 AM (XmOA9)
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f you want to save the highway trust fund, simply repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. We'll get more highways and bridges repaired for less money.
I deal with that abomnation nearly daily and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that the bureauracracy and overhead costs are far more than what they would get from the tax hike.
Posted by: Max Entropy at January 08, 2015 11:53 AM (cgtTL)
I deal with that abomnation nearly daily and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that the bureauracracy and overhead costs are far more than what they would get from the tax hike.
Posted by: Max Entropy at January 08, 2015 11:53 AM (cgtTL)
Posted by: Jen the original at January 08, 2015 11:56 AM (kF3VB)
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 08, 2015 11:57 AM (wT9UL)
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@ anon Outlays exceed revenue. Cutting the MTA off helps, but is not enough.
Also note that the through the early 1990s, much of the excise tax actually paid off Nat'l debt. That means the 1992 rate was relatively high for what it needed to fund. Since then, the slow drift downwards in net revenue shows that the excise taxes aren't keeping up with the need. (We can disagree on how much is the "need", but that's a different argument than saying rev has not been keeping up.)
Also note that the through the early 1990s, much of the excise tax actually paid off Nat'l debt. That means the 1992 rate was relatively high for what it needed to fund. Since then, the slow drift downwards in net revenue shows that the excise taxes aren't keeping up with the need. (We can disagree on how much is the "need", but that's a different argument than saying rev has not been keeping up.)
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 11:57 AM (PGXA8)
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So, a few weeks ago, the Republican legislature and Republican gov. passed and signed a "controversial" bill that directs all the state gasoline tax money to be used for.....roads.
Over 40% of the current gasoline tax was being diverted and given to.....schools. Who are now screaming bloody murder.
Hahahaha. That makes my cold heart warm. Get rekt school leeches.
Over 40% of the current gasoline tax was being diverted and given to.....schools. Who are now screaming bloody murder.
Hahahaha. That makes my cold heart warm. Get rekt school leeches.
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 12:00 PM (PGXA8)
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Thune and the other GOP drone on Fox News Sunday said yeah, we're leaving everything on the table. We're in such a crisis! Infrastructure!
Talking points written by Obama.
I almost fell off my chair.
Talking points written by Obama.
I almost fell off my chair.
Posted by: PJ at January 08, 2015 12:01 PM (cHuNI)
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Dial it down, people. It's all part of the 3-D chess game. Stop rocking the boat and allow our betters to rule us. Don't even THINK of complaining or he Dems will win.
Posted by: Fighty McFighterson at January 08, 2015 12:03 PM (1JJ9R)
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"Dial it down, people. It's all part of the 3-D chess game. Stop rocking the boat and allow our betters to rule us. Don't even THINK of complaining or he Dems will win. "
You forgot that this isn't the hill to die on.
You forgot that this isn't the hill to die on.
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at January 08, 2015 12:08 PM (PGXA8)
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How about we eliminate the Federal gas tax and keep the feds from extorting us with our own money?
Posted by: Citizen Khan at January 08, 2015 12:08 PM (YB9Z3)
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"111
There are many reasons that Corbett lost in Pennsylvania, but raising
gas taxes was among them. Even though the gas tax hike had bipartisan
support, indeed was more popular with the Democrats in the legislature,
when the election came his Democrat opponent slammed him for it."
Stupid Republicans. They always fall to the stupidity of doing the dirty work that Democrats want done, to 'get along'. As newt put it "Tax collectors for the welfare state."
Democrats always use it against them, even in 1992, remember Clinton's mythical middle class tax cut?
If God wanted us to raise taxes, he wouldn't have invented Republicans.
There are many reasons that Corbett lost in Pennsylvania, but raising
gas taxes was among them. Even though the gas tax hike had bipartisan
support, indeed was more popular with the Democrats in the legislature,
when the election came his Democrat opponent slammed him for it."
Stupid Republicans. They always fall to the stupidity of doing the dirty work that Democrats want done, to 'get along'. As newt put it "Tax collectors for the welfare state."
Democrats always use it against them, even in 1992, remember Clinton's mythical middle class tax cut?
If God wanted us to raise taxes, he wouldn't have invented Republicans.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 08, 2015 12:11 PM (wT9UL)
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If there's anything that the govt must be responsible for, it's highways. And if the gas tax is how it's funded, then some knee-jerk anti-tax reflex shouldn't interfere with a rational discussion about the level of taxation. Since it's a set amount per gallon, then it doesn't adjust for inflation generally, nor the price of gas specifically. So as everything else gets more expensive -- like building roads, for example! -- why shouldn't we consider raising it if that's what's called for?
Get it? I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative, but this is where I part company with some of my fellow travellers. We need SOME government, and we need some way to pay for it. For a legitimate need like highways, we can't avoid rational discussion of funding needs because of an "the only good tax is a dead tax" mentality.
Get it? I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative, but this is where I part company with some of my fellow travellers. We need SOME government, and we need some way to pay for it. For a legitimate need like highways, we can't avoid rational discussion of funding needs because of an "the only good tax is a dead tax" mentality.
Posted by: Cornfed at January 08, 2015 12:15 PM (EKC76)
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248
"First, you say transportation pays for roads, and they hear roads and
bike paths and green spaces and pedestrian overpasses and on and on"
In Texas, about 30-40% of the highway trust fund is diverted for non-road spending, and in Austin, you can't pass a local bond issue on roads WITHOUT throwing in millions for bike paths etc. for the greenie voters. So yeah, taxes going to roads? That's like 3rd in line.
Throw in the usual pork barrel overhead and it begs the question of whether any of this is worth it.
"First, you say transportation pays for roads, and they hear roads and
bike paths and green spaces and pedestrian overpasses and on and on"
In Texas, about 30-40% of the highway trust fund is diverted for non-road spending, and in Austin, you can't pass a local bond issue on roads WITHOUT throwing in millions for bike paths etc. for the greenie voters. So yeah, taxes going to roads? That's like 3rd in line.
Throw in the usual pork barrel overhead and it begs the question of whether any of this is worth it.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 08, 2015 12:15 PM (wT9UL)
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You are correct. This isn't the hill to die on, and when Jeb is inaugurated in 2017, we will finally be able to enact our conservative agenda. Until then, pipe down.
Posted by: Fighty McFighterson at January 08, 2015 12:17 PM (1JJ9R)
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"166
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army."
Gas tax hike passed by Clinton and Democrats helped the GOP win in 1994.
What I like about a gas tax is it's almost impossible for the "47%" to escape, it hits the Free Shit Army."
Gas tax hike passed by Clinton and Democrats helped the GOP win in 1994.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at January 08, 2015 12:18 PM (wT9UL)
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I know! Let's do mandatory per mileage taxing that will be tracked via a GPS device installed in everyone's car!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (mf5HN)
Oddly, there is a static buildup in and around my car that tends to discharge in a specific area which, also oddly, tends to be localized around the spot where GPS tracking device will be installed. Not being an electrician, I'm still gonna guess that this will render said device unusable. Repeatedly.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at January 08, 2015 10:54 AM (mf5HN)
Oddly, there is a static buildup in and around my car that tends to discharge in a specific area which, also oddly, tends to be localized around the spot where GPS tracking device will be installed. Not being an electrician, I'm still gonna guess that this will render said device unusable. Repeatedly.
Posted by: physics geek at January 08, 2015 12:22 PM (MT22W)
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Low prices are good for revenue. The lower the cost, the more gallons of gas people buy. The fed gets the same 18 cents whether the cost of a gallon is $3 or $1.50. I hate these imbeciles.
Posted by: no good deed at January 08, 2015 12:25 PM (w3a0Z)
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I need to add to my comments about Michigan's plan to increase funding for roads to clarify.
The legislature and interested parties have passed this legislation, but it won't take effect without voter approval, which will be on the ballot in May,2015. And there are a bunch of other complicated add ons with it, not the least of which is a 1% increase in general state sales tax to fund....schools.
http://tinyurl.com/q3kc7dl
The legislature and interested parties have passed this legislation, but it won't take effect without voter approval, which will be on the ballot in May,2015. And there are a bunch of other complicated add ons with it, not the least of which is a 1% increase in general state sales tax to fund....schools.
http://tinyurl.com/q3kc7dl
Posted by: Jen the original at January 08, 2015 12:25 PM (kF3VB)
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Here in Wi, our previous governor raided the transportation fund of ALL the money (as well as a few other "segregated funds") to balance his last budget.
Try fixing roads with just current revenues, when shits been deferred for years to fund other stuff.
Yet, they've found a way. OTOH, our gas tax used to be indexed for inflation, and now it's not.
So, same as the feds, it is only a matter of time until these taxes do go up.
Sure would be nice if our social betters would at least look into increasing efficiencies and getting more for the dollar, before just saying "gimme more dollars"
Nah, that'll never work
Try fixing roads with just current revenues, when shits been deferred for years to fund other stuff.
Yet, they've found a way. OTOH, our gas tax used to be indexed for inflation, and now it's not.
So, same as the feds, it is only a matter of time until these taxes do go up.
Sure would be nice if our social betters would at least look into increasing efficiencies and getting more for the dollar, before just saying "gimme more dollars"
Nah, that'll never work
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 08, 2015 12:30 PM (XmOA9)
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Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 08, 2015 12:48 PM (Sd++4)
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I didn't vote for Corker or Alexander the last time around because of crap like this. Now I see my congressman voted for Boehner. So unless the pubbies nominate someone decent for president I have no reason to go to the polls at all.
I am completely alienated from the political process as there is no longer anyone who speaks for me at all. There are only people who want to screw me.
I am completely alienated from the political process as there is no longer anyone who speaks for me at all. There are only people who want to screw me.
Posted by: Thatch at January 08, 2015 12:59 PM (m/nBa)
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Screw Inhofe. It's a tax. I pay it even when I buy gas for my lawnmower which will never drive on an interstate. If I buy diesel for a generator, same thing.
Posted by: OCBill at January 08, 2015 01:35 PM (rFipM)
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Repeal Davis-Bacon. Then I'll listen to what you have to say.
Posted by: A pot of message at January 08, 2015 01:39 PM (kk2ap)
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Didn't you get the message Drew? These Republicans are about Getting Things Done. Don't be pedantic about whether they are good or bad things.
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Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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