Gun Thread [Weirddave]

We here at the AoSHQ gun thread would like to take a moment to honor the memory of NYPD officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos who were murdered yesterday by Ismaaiyl Brinsley, with a gun.

Predictably, this atrocity has led to more calls for gun control from the usual idiots. Let's be crystal clear about this: Ismaaiyl Brinsley was a felon. As such, it was already against the law for him to own a gun. He committed this crime in New York City, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in America. He had a gun anyway. His victims were armed professionals, cops, exactly the people that the gun grabbers tell us are all we need to protect us from criminals with guns. It didn't help them. Far from being an good example in favor of gun control, this is a blinding example of the futility of gun control. Criminals. Don't. Obey. Laws. Passing more laws wouldn't have done a thing to prevent this atrocity.

On the other hand, suppose this had happened in a state where gun rights are protected? A law abiding CCW holder in the area might have reacted to the first shots quickly enough to save the life of at least one of the officers. Maybe not, but I'll bet right now the families of Officers Lui and Ramos would give anything they own to roll the dice and take that chance.

Gun of the Week

Open Carry

Here's a piece by someone who usually carries concealed who tried open carry when he went to Idaho.

Armed...Not Dangerous

Someday, open carry may be acceptable in, and even reassuring to, the public. It'll be viewed the way I've come to see it: a visible sign that someone near me may be willing and able to take responsibility for ensuring the safety of himself and others, if called on. Also, I know that an open-carrier is not a felon. That cannot be said about any other adult one might run across.
But open carry will only be acceptable when it's associated with otherwise normal-looking individuals. Open-carry makes a statement, and the bearer is part of it. If he looks benign, his weapon will be seen as integral to that. This means no military rifles, camouflage wear, black cargo pants, etc. Again, we've all been conditioned by TV and movies to believe that a gun's appearance always precedes violence.
Activists agitating for change by carrying (legal) long guns openly at various places of business must know they are already going to get attention. I think such demonstrations, if necessary, should aim for the best possible impression. A starched shirt and "dad jeans," for example, would take much of the edge off, and make the point while adjusting common misperceptions.

Don't Mind Us

Communities have a responsibility to curb crime, says Beloit Police Chief Norm Jacobs.
One of those responsibilities is for residents to make sure legally owned weapons are safely stored, Jacobs said.
And he adds the Beloit Police Department is offering to inspect homes for those who believe there could be illegal firearms in the residence.
Written consent would need to be given from a person who has charge of the home in order for police to search the residence, Jacobs said.
While Jacobs doesn't believe there will be a flood of calls to the department seeking a search, he does hope it will raise awareness that a community can help prevent crime.
"It was clear to me that people in the community are looking for things that they can do to help cut violence in the community," Jacobs said. "I think it's appropriate that police try different things also."

Chief offers search for illegal weapons

So let's assume the most benign of intentions. After searching your house, the police tell you "Everything looks great. Your weapons are legal, they're properly secured, you're a credit to gun owners everywhere. We'll note that in our files so that we don't have to bother you again". What happens when someone not so benign gets access to those files, huh? No thank you.

This is Cool

Animated gifs illustrating the inner workings of a 1911

Gun of the Week Answer

Of course that's the venerable Ma Duece, an M2 Browning .50 cal heavy machine gun. It's been in service since 1933, and it'll be in service for decades to come, baring a quantum leap in arms technology. Sometimes something is just perfect and can't be improved upon. So far, the M2 is the last word in heavy machine guns. And it's over 80 years old. That John Browning, he must have been some kind of genius or something.

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1 PBS' gun control poll just gets worser and worser.

"Poll: Would you support more restrictive gun laws in your state?"

Yes: 4.25% (5,100 votes)
No: 94.61% (113,445 votes)
Unsure: 1.14% (1,369 votes)

Vote here: http://tinyurl.com/lzo7s5v

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 11:11 AM (lG2E3)

2 So after the Obama press conference about inequality (black and white), the killer gunned-up and went on his rampage.

Posted by: redenzo at December 21, 2014 11:13 AM (WCnJW)

3 WZ reporting on DeBlasio p.r. hack blaming the cops for being divisive at this terrible time.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:16 AM (AbfZY)

4 #3 addendum: ... using Twitter.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:17 AM (AbfZY)

5 'Liu' and 'Ramos'. The 'African American Community' may have lost a few allies.

Posted by: davidt at December 21, 2014 11:18 AM (fBxC6)

6 They've actually finally improved the M2. The M2A2 has minor upgrades intended to make barrel changes quicker and easier and without having to mess with headspace and timing.

Sometimes you can only work around the edges of near-perfection.

Posted by: Buck Farky at December 21, 2014 11:18 AM (0wiDy)

7 Something about sowing and reaping... leftists always lead to killing. Always.
Funny that the entire chain in Ferguson from mayor and local da all the way to governor are dem. Same in nyc.

Who are the racists again?

Regarding open carry, if you concealed carry you will inevitably open carry. My gun is part of my person now and if I happen to not have it on something feels "off." So I've had it under sweatshirt and then day got warmer, take off sweatshirt go about the day, then in a bit I realize that "oh my gun is uncovered." Some states that would be illegal. If you concealed carry you would be smart to advocate for open also or you might get out to pump gas, someone see your gun, cops called, boom you are now a criminal.

Posted by: traye at December 21, 2014 11:20 AM (Npo6u)

8 M2 .50.

Heh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:20 AM (BNIaE)

9 My wife had CNN on when I got up. Pictures of the gun used to kill the cops were prominently featured. It was the gun that killed, not the
racist thug.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:21 AM (LImiJ)

10 But I thought all cops were racist white guys who harass "minorities?"

RIP.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 11:22 AM (8HGb7)

11 Before I read the rest of the post below the pic must say, ah the old MA-Deuce. Wish I had one.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:22 AM (u9gzs)

12 Browning was sort of a genius.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:22 AM (BNIaE)

13 High capacity servings of rashers is like the AK-47 of breakfast foods.

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 11:22 AM (dVmLD)

14 Another LEO murdered in Florida last night. Suspect captured. Details to be released later says Gannett.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 21, 2014 11:22 AM (r2vMO)

15 Ma Deuce!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 11:23 AM (RZzX3)

16 Communities have a responsibility to curb crime, says Beloit Police Chief Norm Jacobs.

I thought they had rescinded that ignorant crap because they got so much flack over it????

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:24 AM (u9gzs)

17 The texts from Ramos son are the saddest thing ever.

I want to know why this asshole was on a perpetual circuit from Atlanta to Baltimore to Brooklyn. What was he doing. How did he make his living. Bratton says he "had connections to Brookly". Like what? Family? Work? Gang?

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:25 AM (zOTsN)

18 Oh dog gone it.
Hey Weirddave, don't suppose you know how to fix the font size. Won't be able to read along at this size.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 11:25 AM (aVY3U)

19 Before I read the rest of the post below the pic must say, ah the old MA-Deuce. Wish I had one.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:22 AM (u9gzs)

No, sorry.

1. The Batf could climb in my windows anytime they wanted.
2. They's HEAVY, man.
3. Not too many places to fire it off.
4. EXPENSIVE. You'd go through some dough just for one belt.

It would be worse than owning a racing Yacht.

Fun though.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 11:25 AM (RZzX3)

20 At least one of those officers had a young son. I was afraid of that. I don't know how many sons or daughters they left behind.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 21, 2014 11:26 AM (l3vZN)

21 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: john mccain at December 21, 2014 11:27 AM (+z0O1)

22 War has come to our shores gentlemen and it is going to get much worse. The flames are being stoked by Obama and his outfit.

Posted by: Regular Guy at December 21, 2014 11:28 AM (XYKz+)

23 Got a little better while I was one finger typing.
Like better than halfway there. I can deal for a while now anyway, thanks.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 11:29 AM (aVY3U)

24 Teej, what font? Everything looks fine here.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:29 AM (KAmzK)

25 If they do anything to the M2 it will be the ammunition.

Maybe use a cartridge like the one that can steering itself. Or launches a plasma projectile after leaving the barrel.

Like the Ak-47, once you hear one, you'll never mistake it for anything else.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 11:29 AM (RZzX3)

26 I read one article this morning that said the killer AH was associated with some kind of gang in MD. I still blame Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and the MFM at large. My feeling is this guy was already a borderline psychotic and the hate speech from the individuals above combined with the outright lies put out (and still being put out( by the MFM pushed him over the line.

But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:30 AM (u9gzs)

27 Browning invented the drinking straw when he was 7 just so he could spitball his teacher

true story

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 21, 2014 11:31 AM (Cq0oW)

28 When you look at this guys posts, pics, and arrests he traveled. Atlanta, Baltimore, Brooklyn and Oakland

Doing what? How did he pay for th travel? Did he work? Doing what?

Let's pick up this rock

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

29 I would say something about John McCain, but it's Sunday so i will refrain. I pray the officers and their family. This is all on Obama,Holder, and George effin Soros. May they enjoy their stay in hell.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (ucDmr)

30 Gabe stops in just in time for a stomp.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (u9gzs)

31 Chief offers search for illegal weapons

This is why I'm not the worlds biggest cop lover.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 11:34 AM (XzRw1)

32 But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:30 AM (u9gzs)

Maybe he was mad at his ex-GF for some reason, and once having decided to go kill some cops, he reasoned that killing her would amount to a freebie, in terms of additional consequences.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 21, 2014 11:34 AM (gvtTX)

33 i think if you pintle mounted a ma deuce in your living room the ATF wouldn't get very far. or your neighbors for that matter

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 21, 2014 11:35 AM (Cq0oW)

34 Gabe pushed down the fat kid and stole his milk money.

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (dVmLD)

35 The print was really tiny when I first got here a couple comments in.
It got bigger while I was typing. Not quite the size it is when there are no embedded pics or vids but better.
Mebbie it only shows up on fones.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (aVY3U)

36 My latest firearms purchase- http://tinyurl.com/k5wdcqq

Note to self...stay out of canoe.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (r2vMO)

37 That M-2 is the Ultimate Open Carry, eh?

And yes, a significant percentage of Open Carry Advocates would be well advised to ditch the cargo pants, black-tacticool gear and other trappings meant to infer "toughness".... and just go for some good ol' Jake from State Farm Khakis, (they're hideous!), a polo shirt and a good haircut n' shave.

Which is, come to think about it, how the average non-uniformed officer presents on a daily basis.

The mantra is: "Don't Scare the Mommies", which is good advise for us all.

If you want to draw attention to yourself and your rig.... then perhaps invest in a beautifully engraved BBQ gun, with exotic (non-threatened species!) grips, and hand-tooled belt n' holster. Make the thing so damn nice that the soccer moms will be all "ohh and ahh", instead of "shriek and scream!"

Here on the island, my daily wear for 10 months of the year, is khaki shorts and a gaudy Aloha shirt. That's what passes for "camo" in these parts, and it works. I blend right into my surroundings.

Hmmm..... a series on BBQ guns.....now there's a good future Gun Thread for the Horde.

Mmmmmm..... BBQ. It calls. Seeya!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 21, 2014 11:42 AM (RzZOc)

38 And btw, thanks for the time putting this up.
And the "in my youth" thread yesterday,,, priceless.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 11:42 AM (aVY3U)

39 Obama, Holder, Sharpton, De Blassio---all have some of the cops' blood on their hands.. But for some reason, I reserve my greatest scorn for the bleeding hearts, the do-gooders, the dupes, the dopes and all the special snowflakes, most of whom are white, who take part in "I can't Breathe!" and "Black Lives Matter" media stunts in which they "play dead" all the while taking selfies and posting them to social media.
All they do is hamper the real message from getting out.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 11:43 AM (8HGb7)

40 Ma Deuce and bacon in the same thread? Moron. Heaven.

Posted by: PabloD at December 21, 2014 11:44 AM (roESk)

41 36
My latest firearms purchase

Nice. I have one in blued finish. It is incredibly accurate with just the iron sights. Never a jam with thousands of rounds put through it.

Have fun with yours.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (XzRw1)

42 Gabe stops in just in time for a stomp.

Footprints on my head....

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:47 AM (KAmzK)

43
Gabe pushed down the fat kid and stole his milk money.

I resemble that remark.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (KAmzK)

44 Gabe put something up?
Oh gee, I'd better run and check it out...

Not.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 11:50 AM (aVY3U)

45 Nice Ruger, bill. Killed many a round with one.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:50 AM (BNIaE)

46 "And the "in my youth" thread yesterday,,, priceless."

Yes it was. Sometimes you just have to stop and think.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:51 AM (BNIaE)

47 I doubt a CCW holder would have been able to do anything in this case. From descriptions of the event, it sounded like the perp walked up to two unsuspecting cops sitting in their car and executed them gangster style.

Posted by: Titanium at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (u9UgT)

48 NYC folks are generally thinking that DiBlasio's hands have blood on them because of the way he's been throwing the NYPD under the bus. The usual lefty bastards are trying to defend DiBlasio in the comments columns but they're getting their butts handed to them.

I'd say there's a pretty decent chance DiBlasio doesn't finish his term for one reason or another. I'd also say if he's expecting his NYPD bodyguard to take a bullet for him, he'd best have all his funeral arrangements already made. Judging from the police comments in the papers and on the blogs, that's a damned weak reed to depend on.

It's been a long while since I spent much time in NYC. I'm sure glad I don't live there now. They're headed to worse than the Dinkins days.

Posted by: mac at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (NbXjh)

49 I doubt a CCW holder would have been able to do anything in this case.
From descriptions of the event, it sounded like the perp walked up to
two unsuspecting cops sitting in their car and executed them gangster
style.

I do too, unless Brinsley has his gun in hand as he approached the cop car, which he might have, a CCW seeing that might have been able to throw down on him. He might not have. He might have done so and been shot by the cops seeing him aiming a gun in their general direction and not seeing the perp. I don't know, nobody does, but let's say it's a 5% chance. Don't you think Ramos's son (his FB message is heartbreaking) would grab that 5% and squeeze it until it screams?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (KAmzK)

50 36 My latest firearms purchase- http://tinyurl.com/k5wdcqq

Note to self...stay out of canoe.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (r2vMO)

Nice. It's a classic, for sure!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (mx5oN)

51 "Don't you think Ramos's son (his FB message is heartbreaking) would grab that 5% and squeeze it until it screams?"

Yes.

Yes indeed.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (BNIaE)

52 Btw folks, if you're getting a little long in the tooth like me, and you haven't gotten the shingles vaccine...
It's expensive but some insurance covers it and...
You. Do. Not. Want. This. Crap.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (aVY3U)

53 Somebody is opening up at Alpine. First shots I've heard today. Semi .308 something.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (BNIaE)

54 Could be an M1 or M-14......

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (BNIaE)

55 "Semi .308 something."

visualizes AR type in .308 - wipes drool off chin

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 12:13 PM (aVY3U)

56 "visualizes AR type in .308 - wipes drool off chin"

AR-10s are everywhere.

You got the scratch?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (BNIaE)

57 longtime lurker. bought my first handgun this May.
A M1911 Ruger. Because... Sgt. Saunders had one.
Went out this week and got a Hi-Point .45 carbine to go with it. as easy to shoot as Dad's old M1 carbine (which I have).
"Now I have a (sort of) machine gun. HO HO HO."
Only other gun is my English uncles's Webley .38 tanker's pistol ((with the PanzerKorp notches in the chipped handle). Never fired it though. Don't want to dilute it's karma.

Posted by: retropox at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (OTJhO)

58 "You got the scratch?"

If I did...

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (aVY3U)

59 The Second Amendment breakfast analogy is good, but I would change it thus:

A healthy breakfast being necessary for a physically capable militia, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (kNwE7)

60 Holy shit, retro.

.45

.45 Hi-Point Carbine

Webley

You don't get away that easy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (BNIaE)

61 Not.
Posted by: teej says go K-State
Yeah. Clickbait. Ignore it entirely.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (AbfZY)

62 Okay, kinda slow and I need to rustle up some breakfast before the Chiefs vs Steelers game starts.
And yes,,, there will be bacon.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (aVY3U)

63 Gun thread died?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (BNIaE)

64 Anybody know what the reliability of the Saiga 12 is like?

Posted by: Ook? at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (E/isQ)

65 Sgt. Saunders had one.
I thought he was a Colonel???

Posted by: joey biden at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (AbfZY)

66 Gun thread died?
Hands up! Can't type!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (AbfZY)

67 RK @60. and the MI carbine. Went to the range to get checked out on the .45. Ex-Sgt. Hardcase asks me what Were my plans. I told him I don't hunt, I have no interest in combat tactics, methods, practice; don't want to walk around in public displaying a .45, couldn't care less about quick draw or secret-squirrel laser attachments. So why you here, says he. Ownership and competent markmanship, which is sufficient motive alone, says I. He said "I'll be guldamned. That's remarkable. This check-out will be on the house".

Posted by: retropox at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (OTJhO)

68 "
Anybody know what the reliability of the Saiga 12 is like?"

Should be fine. Gun the hell out of those turkeys.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (BNIaE)

69 On the Saiga. Reports are that full mags of shells, in time, result in the shells taking on an oval shape out near the crimp, as shotgun shells are designed to take compression in a tubular magazine, not a box mag. That ovoid shape is reported to (understandably) cause serious feeding issues.

Otherwise, the guns themselves are good great fun.

I don't have any direct personal experience with the shell compression issue, but then, I don't own a Saiga, either. I'd advise some deeper 'net research on the matter.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (RzZOc)

70 oh.. and BTW.
Professor of Microbiology.
Teach infectious disease micro.
You should see the shingles pictures I use to scare the nursing students. The varicella vaccine reduces the incidence of shingles by >50% and the severity of the remainder by about 2/3. The #1 reason for extended use of narcotics in the aged is post-herpetic nerve pain from shingles; nothing touches except opiods.
GET. THE SHINGLES. BOOSTER. if you are over 50. You don't want the agony otherwise.

Posted by: retropox at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (OTJhO)

71 Watched Judge Jeanine Pirro's show last night on the police killing. Former NYPD commish. Kerik and former NYPD officer and detective Bo Dietl tear into Deblasio, Shgarptom and obama. She was po big time. Did not mince words in her condemnation.

Posted by: Buffalobob at December 21, 2014 12:37 PM (w+5ie)

72 So, the 1911 is nothing more than a PEZ dispenser.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (NeFrd)

73 Retro..... what would real world, cash money prices be on a Shingles vacc?

Any tips on chasing one down via M.D., or drugstore or ?

Thanks!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (RzZOc)

74 Hey, Weirddave; not that you're asking, but if you'd put a less offensive word than the word "idiots" here--"Predictably, this atrocity has led to more calls for gun control from the usual idiots."--this post would have a better chance of swaying pro-gun-regulation people, or at least giving them solid evidence for the gun-rights position.
Is how I see it.

Posted by: m at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (G891H)

75 "So, the 1911 is nothing more than a PEZ dispenser."

The candy will rock your world.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (BNIaE)

76 Fired a 9mm High-Point. Pussy cat but only for 75yds or so. The .45 help any?

My .357 lever is good to 100 but if I download to .38 it get's sluggish.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:48 PM (BNIaE)

77 Maybe. I've been called worse by the gun grabbers. Appreciate the constructive criticism, but I've pretty much reached the call a spade a spade point. They're hypocrites and idiots. I see no reason not to call them what they are.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (KAmzK)

78 "I don't have any direct personal experience with the shell compression issue, but then, I don't own a Saiga, either. I'd advise some deeper 'net research on the matter. "

Thanks. I hadn't thought of that. I'll look into it.

Posted by: Ook? at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (E/isQ)

79 Americans have no right to food. They have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit food through working, barter, begging, accepting charity or actually, you know, pursuing.

Nobody starves in America unless they work at it.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (z899H)

80 @Jim 73. available without prescription at most pharmacies. cash price (I've heard) is about 75 bucks. dinner and a movie. want to see the pictures of shingles of the scalp? of the cornea? hemorrhagic shingles of the genitals? the tongue? usually on the torso, but elsewhere is common. its a viral infection of the SENSORY nerves, with the skin vesicles/rash. burning like being branded. any price to avoid that is incidental, neh?

Posted by: retropox at December 21, 2014 12:52 PM (OTJhO)

81

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich
Browning invented the drinking straw when he was 7 just so he could spitball his teacher

true story

Not really, he was actually making his own shotgun in his dad's shop so he could go out and take range chickens.

Posted by: JimK at December 21, 2014 12:52 PM (KQHmI)

82 I'll be getting a .308 AR just as soon as SandW make their MP-10 with a 16" barrel. Which I hear is coming. Hopefully they stick with the current midlength gas system.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (4ckfx)

83 That John Browning, he must have been some kind of genius or something.

A Cog actually.

Larry Correia has JMB as a character in his Grimnoir series.

If you concealed carry you would be smart to
advocate for open also or you might get out to pump gas, someone see
your gun, cops called, boom you are now a criminal.

Posted by: traye at December 21, 2014 11:20 AM (Npo6u)

Agree whole-heartedly.

So, the 1911 is nothing more than a PEZ dispenser.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (NeFrd)

Yes. Yes it is.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (6fyGz)

84 77 Maybe. I've been called worse by the gun grabbers. . . . They're hypocrites and idiots.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (KAmzK)
Agreed on all that. I've had pro-gun-reg acquaintances get livid and spittle-flinging on this. At nice restaurants and such. It's disgusting!

Posted by: m at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (G891H)

85 @ 83

Except PEZ don't usually come in the 230 grain variety.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 21, 2014 01:11 PM (jeCnD)

86 1. Idiot is a perfectly descriptive word.

b. you aren't going to sway the opinion of the anti-gun rights people.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 21, 2014 01:13 PM (6fyGz)

87 "b. you aren't going to sway the opinion of the anti-gun rights people."

------------------------

This. I used to try reason, facts and logic. Wildly unsatisfying for all concerned.

That's why I have no problem with people who, when asked, "Why do you need an AR-15?", reply with "Because fuck you, that's why."

It's not my style, and I wouldn't say it, but there's no harm. Antis think we're goons anyway, so give 'em both barrels. It won't matter either way.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 01:28 PM (4ckfx)

88 Hopefully the gun thread is quiet because everybody's out buying Christmas guns.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 01:59 PM (4ckfx)

89 31 -- Thin veneer of civility -- <Chief offers search for illegal weapons>
This is why I'm not the worlds biggest cop lover.

The biggest problem with Police Chiefs is that they're usually political appointees... which means: their presence is due to a resume, (and) rarely merit; and, they reflect (willingly, or not) the political will of the 'powers that be'.

Once upon a time, the city of Cincinnati's police chief position was determined by merit... and was part of the community since they were a rookie. BUT, the local powers that be (re: 'rats) wanted a black police chief. They ended the 'chief by virtue of merit'.

Granted, this doesn't preclude the possibility of getting a good candidate... the first black chief of Cincinnati suddenly quit after a couple of years (well before his contract was up), and moved on to Detroit to become their CoP. (I think most of you morons know who he is now...)... but it does preclude the possibility of getting a CoP who is independent of the whims of politicians, or the political winds that drive them.

Now then... lets talk about guns...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 02:03 PM (/mTq0)

90 The missus returned from the last of her Christmas shopping Friday. "I almost bought you a gun in the BX today", she began.

"Wha..., but..., huh...? Why didn't you?!?", I sputtered.

"Because, I wasn't sure if you already had one, an AR7," she replied.

"I do," I said dejectedly. "But, I still don't have a Judge, which I've wanted for, like, ever!"

"Why don't you ever buy me a gun?", was her response...

Off to AAFES tomorrow, I go! I'm thinking a 10/22 takedown. She is quite the competent garden-rabbit thinner...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at December 21, 2014 02:05 PM (4DCSq)

91 88 -- Taro Tsujimoto -- Probably.

While a tribute to the murdered policemen was in order... the elements behind their deaths is political, and cultural.

And a bit of a buzz-kill for a thread that should be devoted to guns...

..."Don't cross the streams!" is more than just good advice when busting ghosts.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 02:11 PM (/mTq0)

92 32 -- AOP -- <last non-gun comment from me>

While I don't know the circumstances behind her death, the indicators point towards Mr. 'Hero of the People' (a title the Left likes to award to cop-killers) being involved in the drug trade.

Short story: Many years ago, someone I knew was a big wheel in 'high-profile' restaurant/night club... while working there, he got on the good side of major players in the local/regional drug trade. Among the many things he (my friend) learned was that every single major drug dealer (the top end boys) was brought down by an angry girl-friend... not clever police work.

Their hard rule was: (a) don't become too attached to any woman, and (b) be prepared to make her disappear under a pile of gravel in an old quarry the second after she starts making angry noises.

In those sorta circles, a woman is a liability, and, an expendable asset. And these people did not fuck around...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 02:31 PM (/mTq0)

93 36 -- fairweatherbill bucking the wind -- My latest firearms purchase -- http://tinyurl.com/k5wdcqq

Ooo... nice one. My late father had the Browning version of that pistol*. That's a pistol that'll get you a rabbit dinner every time, provided you're a half-way decent shot.

(*the Browning Buckmark bull-barrel model)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 02:45 PM (/mTq0)

94 Cpt. Charles - We had (up until two weeks ago) a police chief chosen entirely on the basis of political philosophy. The result? A mess. A REAL mess. Real expensive, department-demoralizing mess. And it ain't over.

The City Council is dominated by hyper-Progressives. It's just full-time nutzoid.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 02:48 PM (kgisg)

95 53 -- RK -- Our County LEO firing range is less than a mile away (on the other side of the Miami River)... you can always tell when it's 'qualification' week.

And it's even more fun when the Bomb Squad has their training day... they rattle the damn windows around here.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (/mTq0)

96 Am I the only one attracted to quirky guns? When I read,
"Off to AAFES tomorrow, I go! I'm thinking a 10/22 takedown. She is quite the competent garden-rabbit thinner...
Posted by: Spun and Murky"

My first thought was...., "Oh...., one of those Savage O/U .22/410's would be perfect. No..., wait, how about the O/U .222/20 gauge". It's a sickness I tell you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (kgisg)

97 96
Am I the only one attracted to quirky guns?

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Nope. I own a Mech-Tech 1911 carbine upper. And I'm grabbing an AR-7 next time they're on sale.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 02:55 PM (4ckfx)

98 64 -- Ook? -- Anybody know what the reliability of the Saiga 12 is like?

Very... it's every bit as fool-proof as an AK. However, given the propellant shotgun shells use, make sure you clean it religiously.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 02:58 PM (/mTq0)

99 57 -- retropox -- The Ruger version of the 1911 is a seriously sweet pistol. That one is on my 'gotta buy it' list if I hit the lotto.

(Along with several other Ruger products...

)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 03:02 PM (/mTq0)

100 Taro's tip: treat your mil-surp wood stocked rifles to a rub-down of Renaissance Wax. Cleans and protects. You'll be gratified at how dirty your applicator cloth will be when you're done.

Order it through Ace's Amazon widget.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 03:09 PM (4ckfx)

101 (Along with several other Ruger products... )

Posted by: CPT. Charles

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Roger that. There's a GP-100 Match Champion at my LGS calling to me. $800 is a tad spendy, though. Gonna wait for a sale or rebate.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 03:11 PM (4ckfx)

102 76 -- RK -- Fired a 9mm High-Point. Pussy cat but only for 75yds or so. The .45 help any?

The pistol? Or the carbine model of the High-Point?

BTW, did you see this hickok45 vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qquWgmU7NSk
(Lone Wolf G9 Glock Carbine)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 03:11 PM (/mTq0)

103 69 / 78 -- Ook? -- If you're into reloading, there's always the full metallic shotgun shells. But otherwise, it's probably not an issue if you stick to the 3 or 5 round magazines... or just freshly load a 10-rounder.

The deformation is likely a long-term loaded magazine issue.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 03:17 PM (/mTq0)

104 101 -- Taro Tsujimoto -- IMHO, the GP100/101 series pistols are the finest money can buy... actions smooth as glass, and their cylinder lock-up is unrivaled.

I'm not saying that the other makers of revolvers aren't any good... but they don't match the GP's 'out of the box' feel for a 'common' production weapon.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 21, 2014 03:31 PM (/mTq0)

105 Yeah, I might even go for a plain-Jane GP-100 and save a c-note.

A double-action .357 is a gaping hole in my battery.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 21, 2014 03:41 PM (4ckfx)

106 Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

Posted by: toby928(C) is nothing if not helpful at December 21, 2014 04:55 PM (rwI+c)

107 "96
Am I the only one attracted to quirky guns? ...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (kgisg)"

Anybody who loves quirky guns must own or have owned:

1) A broom handle Mauser also for bonus points, another pistol that uses the same 7.62 X 25 cartridge.
2) A .32 auto from the first half of the 20th century
3) A British Webley pistol or No.1 Mk III rifle

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 21, 2014 08:01 PM (PD6iL)

108 I kind of want both of those guns on the English police poster. Also, the bacon below that.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at December 22, 2014 12:51 AM (FFIoe)

109 107 - Damn. I've got #2 covered. But I can't afford #1. And I just missed #3 with a No. 4 Mk 1.

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