Marco Rubio Sounds Very Impressive in Interview with Mark Levin

He was speaking about Cuba, an issue which I do not (or did not) care about.

So I was a good audience to judge him in an impartial way. I did not care about the issue he was talking about, and in fact was rather skeptical about him for caring about it more than I deemed necessary.

He made me reconsider my Not Caring position, and made me shift on to both Caring and towards agreeing with him. Which is something.

I had not really thought much of Marco Rubio, thinking of him as both a pretty face who gives nice speeches about the Greatness of America that impress grandma and no one else, and as the Guy Who Pushed for Amnesty.

But this 15 minute interview made me consider him more seriously.

Give it a listen, tell me if I'm right or crazy.

On Fox Now: Rand Paul, who Rubio called out, is now responding to Rubio.

Meh.

Posted by: Ace at 09:25 PM

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1 Crazy? No.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 09:27 PM (/GgDU)

2 :: echos ::

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 09:28 PM (/GgDU)

3 Thread dominated by banned guy

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 09:28 PM (/GgDU)

4 Right there with you. This has made me think a lot less of Ran Paul too.

Posted by: Brendan at December 19, 2014 09:28 PM (8YVZT)

5 Did I tell you that my family spent a good deal of time in Cuba?

S'true.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 09:29 PM (/GgDU)

6 >>>Right there with you. This has made me think a lot less of Ran Paul too.

rand paul kind of comes off as callow

which is worse than wrong

Posted by: ace at December 19, 2014 09:29 PM (E+pqw)

7 Marco....

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2014 09:30 PM (MDgS8)

8 Rubio...

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2014 09:30 PM (MDgS8)

9 Who banned the Hammer?

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2014 09:31 PM (MDgS8)

10 Brought back that sweet, sweet smell of his garbage, didn't it?

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2014 09:32 PM (FcR7P)

11 Rubio is still dead to me.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 09:33 PM (rwI+c)

12 rooo-beee-yo

rooo-beee-yo

Posted by: Lost Boys at December 19, 2014 09:33 PM (6fyGz)

13 I know Carol loves Levin, but, I can't listen to him. Just me.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:33 PM (BNIaE)

14 Rubio is still dead to me.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 09:33 PM (rwI+c)
yup

Posted by: Peaches at December 19, 2014 09:33 PM (6uib1)

15 I've never trusted Rand Paul. Don't forget he's got his father's genes.

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:33 PM (sj3Ax)

16 Give it a listen, tell me if I'm right or crazy.

both?

Posted by: The Ducking Hat at December 19, 2014 09:34 PM (lN8KC)

17 If I don't listen to entire Levin show, that's where I get highlights.

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:35 PM (sj3Ax)

18
3 Thread dominated by banned guy
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December

Sure rub it in

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:35 PM (YOPoU)

19 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE'S BAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage at December 19, 2014 09:35 PM (9F2c1)

20 Levin renew his love for Rubio now?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:36 PM (BNIaE)

21 I understand, Ace. Rubio is good at speeches against Castro. And Christie is good at speeches against the teachers union. After that, it gets complicated.

Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09:36 PM (jbdp1)

22 I've never forgiven him for being thirsty.

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2014 09:37 PM (Ua6T/)

23 Ricardo,
Levin is brutally honest. J. J. Sefton loves him too!

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:37 PM (sj3Ax)

24 rooo-beee-yo

rooo-beee-yo

ruuue-ben-yo!

ruuue-ben-yo!

Crap. Now I'm hungry.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 09:37 PM (nTuxZ)

25 Uh oh...

I see an ace v purity flamewar acomin.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2014 09:37 PM (MDgS8)

26
21 I understand, Ace. Rubio is good at speeches against Castro. And Christie is good at speeches against the teachers union. After that, it gets complicated.
Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09:36 PM (jbdp1)

After that it is democrat lite. It's really not complicated. They believe in big government they can just do it better. Ha ha

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:37 PM (YOPoU)

27 Meh, the interview was top-notch, but Rubio lost me with the Dream Act b.s. He has to do better than this to earn back my respect.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 19, 2014 09:38 PM (BlSwp)

28 >>> Sure rub it in

Put that hose away.

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2014 09:38 PM (Ua6T/)

29 I listened to his entire speech denouncing the Obama putsch. He was very impressive. And yes, he's still Chuckie Schumer's bitch.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 09:38 PM (4nR9/)

30 I had salad for dinner tonight.

Now I'm hungry for Cuban food from Versailles in Miami. Dammit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2014 09:38 PM (FsuaD)

31 Well, in the first two minutes we've got an Admin flack lying under oath to Rubio about Admin intentions re: Cuba in the recent past

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 09:39 PM (uG374)

32 He's too short and bald to be president.

Posted by: whoa at December 19, 2014 09:39 PM (oCxXI)

33 21 I understand, Ace. Rubio is good at speeches
against Castro. And Christie is good at speeches against the teachers
union. After that, it gets complicated.

Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09:36 PM (jbdp1)

After that it is democrat lite. It's really not complicated. They believe in big government they can just do it better. Ha ha

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:37 PM (YOPoU)

But I'll look at both if desperate .

Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09:39 PM (jbdp1)

34 "
Ricardo,

Levin is brutally honest. J. J. Sefton loves him too!"

Oh, he is. I just don't like him yelling at me from the radio.

You know. What's this Rubio thing?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (BNIaE)

35 Rubio points out that Cuban gov't is utterly opposed to us in every measureable way

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (uG374)

36 Rubio badly needs some time in the political wilderness. About 40 years should do it.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (4nR9/)

37 one can be right and crazy: the other day I saw that Howard Dean declared Hillary! to be the most qualified person in the country to be President.

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (zjcTL)

38 Rubio unfortunately fell in with GOPe on amnesty & I don't forget.

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (sj3Ax)

39 But I'll look at both if desperate .
Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09

Can't, won't, vore for Crispe Creme

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (YOPoU)

40 Ace must want to do some holiday dumpster diving.

Posted by: Madamex at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (NwQcc)

41 I know people hate him for his stance on handling the illegals - fix the border then handle the rest - but all of the people pissed at him only want one solution that will never happen, so it makes arguing like pissing up a tree...

But I like him. Just sayin'

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Draft Sheriff Clarke '16) at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (BZAd3)

42 Rubio is a fucking amnesty cocksucker with a bad combover.

Posted by: Al Swearengen at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (vn2RY)

43 35 Rubio points out that Cuban gov't is utterly opposed to us in every measureable way

Barry's people.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (MDgS8)

44 Choice between Rubio, Jeb, Mitt, or Krispy Kreme? I'll go with Rubio.

Posted by: Osoloco at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (9kGho)

45 Will not vote for Rubio. Period.

Of course, not showing up for my local rep, Todd Young, either. He loved himself some Cromnibus.

I will back Rand Paul - who will not make it out of the primary. So be it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (xWPj1)

46 ha hah, fooled you. Meanwhile I read that a group that Dean started is pushing Paleface Warren to run. Popcorn time in 2016, I hope.

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (zjcTL)

47 LOL Rubio: "We have a mass migration problem"

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 09:41 PM (uG374)

48 34 "
Ricardo,

Levin is brutally honest. J. J. Sefton loves him too!"

Oh, he is. I just don't like him yelling at me from the radio.

You know. What's this Rubio thing?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (BNIaE)

Get off the phone you big dope

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:42 PM (YOPoU)

49 Crazy, no. This is why we're so disappointed with his gang of 8 amnesty crap. He has/had potential. He just stepped in it.

Posted by: Iblis at December 19, 2014 09:42 PM (Gh5A8)

50 He just stepped in it.

In it, on it, whatever.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 09:43 PM (4nR9/)

51 There's that Asian chick on the Bass Pro ads again. Who the fcuk is she?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:43 PM (BNIaE)

52 So Moveon.org is backing Lieawatha. Because the last time the progs shoved a freshman senator down our throats that worked out so well.

I'll vote for a chicken sandwich over anyone the left runs.

*sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2014 09:43 PM (FsuaD)

53 I understand why people like him, and that's okay. I just cannot vote him - now - for his Dream/border debacles.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 19, 2014 09:43 PM (BlSwp)

54 Rubio: One of the Cubans released was involved in an incident where Cuban MiGs shot down 2 civilian planes

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 09:43 PM (uG374)

55 "Get off the phone you big dope"

Oops. Sorry.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:44 PM (BNIaE)

56 Huckabee/That sweater vest guy 2016

Posted by: NCKate at December 19, 2014 09:44 PM (j8EuF)

57 I don't want to be so damn cynical that Ace can't appreciate a good anti- Castro speech. Such a speech incorporates the best of Reagan's Cold War tutorials.

But all of the coverage of Jeb Bush's candidacy note that it means bad news for Rubio because they are essentially the same candidate.

Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09:44 PM (jbdp1)

58 Rubio unfortunately fell in with GOPe on amnesty & I don't forget.
Posted by: Carol

^^^^^^^
This!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 09:45 PM (nTuxZ)

59 "thinking of him as both a pretty face who gives nice speeches about the Greatness of America that impress grandma and no one else, and as the Guy Who Pushed for Amnesty."

Rube isn't just The Guy Who Pushed For Amnesty.

He's the guy who gave English-language interviews to the alphabet networks saying that, of course there was no way that amnesty would mean immediate voting rights and immediate government benefits.

And who then turned round and gave interviews in Spanish to the likes of Univision, where he said that of course amnesty would mean immediate voting rights and immediate government benefits.

I have zero trust in a guy who pulls crap like that. It's the same sort of thing that the late and thoroughly unlamented Yasser Arafat used to do: give completely different accounts in English and in Arabic for different media targets.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 09:45 PM (noWW6)

60 Ricardo,
He's not yelling at us, he's yelling because he's pissed & isn't afraid to let them know it.
If establishment listens to Rush, he says a lot of same things, like how they wasted new majority with Cromnibus Bill.

They should listen to Levin.

You should also read Conservative Review. There's a New Speaker poll there & article on why that rep switched vote last week in commentary.

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:45 PM (sj3Ax)

61 Florida Trash Hardest Hit

Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 09:46 PM (qoqEo)

62 Off to bed. *avoids impending circular firing squad*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2014 09:46 PM (FsuaD)

63 After Rubio's horrible immigration "reform" performance, I will not trust him with higher office. Maybe if he does well for another term without a serious flub.

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at December 19, 2014 09:46 PM (nRvEn)

64 an't, won't, vore for Crispe Creme

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (YOPoU)

I agree. But almost everyone here pushed hard for McCain and Romney when it came down to it.

Posted by: CJ at December 19, 2014 09:46 PM (jbdp1)

65 Huckabee/That sweater vest guy 2016

I hate sweater vests. So I had a dream last night where I'm wearing a sweater vest and I'm like...."WTF am I wearing a sweater vest? I didn't even know I owned one of these things?"

Weird.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2014 09:47 PM (MDgS8)

66 Too bad we don't have a governor or senator with a last name of Missle.

Then we could have Cruz/Missle 2016.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 09:47 PM (nTuxZ)

67 Rubio is Cuban for Bush.

Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 09:47 PM (qoqEo)

68 "I know Carol loves Levin, but, I can't listen to him. Just me."

I wish he would scream a bit less. He can come across as unhinged.

Some people who might be persuadable no doubt tune in and get a dose of Mark at the top of his lungs, and think, man, WTF is this guy _on_?

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 09:48 PM (noWW6)

69 I commented the other day that Rubio was excellent on hannity. Much better than Cruz. This is a subject that he is obviously very passionate about and it shows. He gives a great speech on the greatness of America. I will give him that.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2014 09:48 PM (gKbDy)

70 Rubio introduced "immigration reform" in the middle of the Presidential election, knowing it had zero chance of passage, just to give the Democrats and the MFM, birm, an issue they liked to beat on Romney. Like he was one of *them*.

He's either a traitor, a fool, or has the political instincts of a rock. Any of which disqualifies him from my consideration.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 09:48 PM (rwI+c)

71 I listened to as much of TFG's Cuber speech yesterday and my takeaway was that he is very worried about the interests of Americans and Cubans, as if he was President of Americans AND Cubans and had to balance things out between the two.

Someone should run up to him, kick him squarely in the crotch and remind him that he has to look solely after the interests of Americans and let the chips fall where they may for everyone else. That may actually work out in favor of Castro, but probably not, since he's terrorist supporting commie (Castro, that is. TFG is a terrorist supporting commie supporting commie).

F*** that guy.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 19, 2014 09:48 PM (PDSex)

72 67 Rubio is Cuban for Bush.
Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 09:47 PM (qoqEo)

**snorts**

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:49 PM (YOPoU)

73 And who then turned round and gave interviews in Spanish to the likes of Univision, where he said that of course amnesty would mean immediate voting rights and immediate government benefits.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 09:45 PM (noWW6)

Do you have a source for that? It's not that I doubt you, but it is (theoretically) legally impossible, so I'm curious to see the exact quote. It's OK if it's in Spanish, because I can translate.

Posted by: CQD at December 19, 2014 09:49 PM (lyiq0)

74 re 59: no shit? Sad to say, reminds me of Arafat talking peace in English and Intifada in Arabic. Too bad, I used to like Rubio. Maybe if Palin endorses him I'll reconsider

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:49 PM (zjcTL)

75 Senators Need Not Apply

Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 09:49 PM (qoqEo)

76 "He's not yelling at us, he's yelling because he's pissed isn't afraid to let them know it."

I understand. I'm pissed too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:50 PM (BNIaE)

77 Minuteman ...

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2014 09:50 PM (xWPj1)

78 I would love to hear Rubio and Paul have a meaningful debate with each of them responding to the other on this. They are both passionate on this issue and well versed.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2014 09:50 PM (gKbDy)

79 69 I commented the other day that Rubio was excellent on hannity. Much better than Cruz. This is a subject that he is obviously very passionate about and it shows. He gives a great speech on the greatness of America. I will give him that.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2014 09:48 PM (gKbDy

And a broken clock is right twice a day

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:50 PM (YOPoU)

80 Remember this from 4 hours ago?

"When Americans say they still feel like they're in a recession -- that's because they are. American employment is lower now than it ever has been.

Yay?"

So second look at the guy who as President would sign a Schumer/McCain amnesty because of his policy on Cuba?

That seems like....a poor trade.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 19, 2014 09:50 PM (fgb4J)

81
I'm really sick of the Republicans calling each other out in order to score points with the moderates.

Flake, McCain, Graham, Rubio. All of them are rotten cocksuckers.

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz might not be perfect but they never turn on other Republicans -- it's always the other way around.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 19, 2014 09:51 PM (oF/3c)

82 I'M PISSED TOO?!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at December 19, 2014 09:51 PM (qoqEo)

83 Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:49 PM (zjcTL)

Palin could blow him for all I care. He's nothing to me.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:51 PM (YOPoU)

84 I can't get away from that nagging feeling that all this Cuba stuff started as a White House memo to give Cuba Gooding, Jr. some kind of award and everything got garbled.

That's how much faith I have in the competence of the TFG administration.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 09:52 PM (nL0sw)

85 New lady started at work this week. She's black, Christian, and anti-Obama. I got to talking to her and she eventually went off on the Prezzy's destruction of The Constitution.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:53 PM (BNIaE)

86 Palin could blow him for all I care.

Now you've done it.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 09:54 PM (4nR9/)

87 Walker/Rubio 2016

Posted by: Intense Right Wing Erection at December 19, 2014 09:54 PM (ONKYQ)

88 Huckabee/That sweater vest guy 2016

Posted by: NCKate at December 19, 2014 09:44 PM (j8EuF)

Huckabee and Jim Tressel?

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 09:54 PM (nL0sw)

89 Now I'm hungry for Cuban food from Versailles in Miami. Dammit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Damn it Jane. That was just mean.
...Cuban food....

Posted by: mpfs, In Mourning For Jax Teller at December 19, 2014 09:54 PM (si/E8)

90 I think I saw a similar interview on tv, and fine, he's passionate about Cuba, but it doesn't square with supporting amnesty for Central Americans. He either supports people fleeing oppressive regimes in persuit of health and safety, or he believes those regimes deserve heavy sanctions and emigration restrictions.

In short: too soon.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 19, 2014 09:55 PM (WS+CW)

91 "He gives a great speech on the greatness of America. I will give him that."

I think what I'm looking for is someone who recognizes that America is no longer a great country, and no longer has any realistic prospect of being one.

Rather than the restoration of greatness, what is required is to see that America is now a mediocre, fading, failing, heavily debt-sodden country on the brink of another Civil War internally, and facing increasingly powerful and dangerous enemies externally.

And that the grand challenge before us now, rather than grand restoration, instead is _prevention_. Prevention of outright collapse.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 09:55 PM (noWW6)

92 Just finished it. Rubio sounded good; talked about the Admin's sympathy to left wing tyrants and how they've basically given the store away; Cuba has apparently been telling its people, "Don't expect any change, you're still dirt"; Cuban military junta will be the only ones who profit from American trade.

Levin, not Rubio, brought up Rand Paul; Rubio says Paul has adapted Admin talking points, but he respects his opinion and blah blah.

Sounds good. Second look? Ehhhhhh....

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 09:55 PM (uG374)

93 Rickb223,
I hold a grudge.

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:56 PM (sj3Ax)

94 bottom of the screen headline on lou dobbs on Fox Business right now:
Obama promises "proportional' response to North Korea hack.

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:57 PM (zjcTL)

95
Ace is easily swayed. One good speech and you have Ace.

It's not, however, because Ace's principles waiver; it's because Ace looks at politicians and wonders how others perceive them.

In other words, Ace is kinda like a talent scout for politicians for Team Conservative. Ace is always on the lookout for a good frontman.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 19, 2014 09:57 PM (oF/3c)

96 bottom of the screen headline on lou dobbs on Fox Business right now:
Obama promises "proportional' response to North Korea hack.
Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:57 PM (zjcTL)

We're going to hack one of their media companies and cancel a movie release?

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 09:58 PM (uG374)

97 86 Palin could blow him for all I care.

Now you've done it.
Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014

Btw she can swallow too. Still won't vote for him.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 09:58 PM (YOPoU)

98 re 85: then she's not an "authentic" black.

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:58 PM (zjcTL)

99 "
Rickb223,

I hold a grudge."

You done fcuked up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:58 PM (BNIaE)

100 CQD - and anybody else that doubts Rubio said one thing in English and another in Spanish ...

LOOK THE SHIT UP !!!

Seriously. Google "Rubio Amnesty Spanish". It's not like this shit is hidden knowledge or something. It's at your friggin' fingertips.

Washington Examiner. Free Republic. National Review. Outlined in all those sources and more.

Good God. I'm going to have an aneurism. Must thin blood ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2014 09:58 PM (xWPj1)

101 "Do you have a source for that? It's not that I doubt you, but it is (theoretically) legally impossible, so I'm curious to see the exact quote. It's OK if it's in Spanish, because I can translate."

I'll try to find an authoritative cite.

I remember the event in near real time and it's one of those things where I assumed that the magical intartoobz would of their own volition grab and store the damning material, and they may not have.

It's reasonably to be assumed that, for one thing, Rubio saw how fast he fell in the polls once the reality of his amnesty proposals became known, and realized he'd just stepped neck deep in the shit, and had his people talk to Univision's people to have a scrub party.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (noWW6)

102 Drew M,
It is a poor trade.

BBL!

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (sj3Ax)

103 Cubist food looks like stained glass

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (Cq0oW)

104 re 96: I saw a quick follow-up, something like we might return them to the sponsors of international terrorism list. That should put the fear of God in them.

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (zjcTL)

105 I think what I'm looking for is someone who recognizes that America is no longer a great country, and no longer has any realistic prospect of being one.

I can't agree with you on that torque. I'm not saying id support Rubio or that past sins should be forgiven. Just that he gies a great speech on the greatness of America. I find it refreshing. He's not the only one. But he is very good.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (gKbDy)

106 85 New lady started at work this week. She's black, Christian, and anti-Obama. I got to talking to her and she eventually went off on the Prezzy's destruction of The Constitution.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:53 PM (BNIaE)

We classify her as a "White Black", similar to George Zimmerman, the "White Hispanic"

Posted by: Main Stream Agitation-Propaganda at December 19, 2014 10:00 PM (PDSex)

107 Art jokes. We get art jokes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 10:00 PM (BNIaE)

108
Who else here wants Donna Reed to be his wife, but just on Christmas Eve?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 19, 2014 10:01 PM (oF/3c)

109 Ricardo,
Are you trying to say I should forgive Rubio for Amnesty shilling? NO!

Posted by: Carol at December 19, 2014 10:01 PM (sj3Ax)

110 34 "
Ricardo,

Levin is brutally honest. J. J. Sefton loves him too!"

Oh, he is. I just don't like him yelling at me from the radio.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:40 PM (BNIaE)

The way I see it is he's not yelling at me, he's yelling with me.

Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2014 10:01 PM (sdi6R)

111 >>>I can't get away from that nagging feeling that all this Cuba stuff
started as a White House memo to give Cuba Gooding, Jr. some kind of
award and everything got garbled.
<<<

It's like somebody crossed the streams between An Officer and a Gentleman and Men of Honor, and we ended up with Debra Winger stranded in the laundry aisle.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2014 10:01 PM (dVmLD)

112 Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (zjcTL)

*eyeroll*

What, we're going to ruin their permanent record and they won't get into Yale?

If someone threatens your country or your people and your response ends when you hit "Print" on a Word document....

You might, just maybe, be fucking up.

Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 10:02 PM (uG374)

113 Rubio + ? = winner

Almost any R + Martinez = winner

Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shadow at December 19, 2014 10:02 PM (cmBvC)

114
That sweater vest guy 2016

Jim Tressel?

Nah, Jim got his dream gig. AD of Youngstown State.

Posted by: puddleglum at December 19, 2014 10:02 PM (syGA0)

115 "We classify her as a "White Black", similar to George Zimmerman, the "White Hispanic"

Yeah. Pretty much. She reads her pocket Bible during lunch and jumps up for any works assigned.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 10:03 PM (BNIaE)

116 ONT up.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 10:03 PM (nTuxZ)

117 "Rand Paul and Ted Cruz might not be perfect but they never turn on other Republicans -- it's always the other way around."

Luap Nard has been savaging Rubio on Twitter for the last 36 hours.

Backward isolationist! Cruel anti-humanitarian! Deaf to the cries of Cuban families! Why trade with Vietnam and not Cuba?

Nard also is infamous for his declaration that the GOP need to drop voter ID as an issue because of the risk of it "offending" people, a conclusion he reached after speaking at various historically-black universities.

Yes, if there's one thing on which we all should agree, it's that Republicans should worry about the possibility of offending persons who are overwhelmingly never going to vote anything other than Democratic for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 10:03 PM (noWW6)

118 Nah, Jim got his dream gig. AD of Youngstown State.
Posted by: puddleglum at December 19, 2014 10:02

Easier to cheat there?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 10:04 PM (YOPoU)

119 "he's yelling with me."

Oh, I get that. I've already yelled myself out by that time. Rather redundant.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 10:04 PM (BNIaE)

120
Obama promises "proportional' response to North Korea hack.

He'll tell them to stop. When that doesn't work, he'll tell them to stop again, then go golf! Thats what leaders do in this post modern age!!

Posted by: puddleglum@work at December 19, 2014 10:05 PM (syGA0)

121 He made me reconsider my Not Caring position, and made me shift on to both Caring and towards agreeing with him. Which is something.

I had a similar reaction listening to the interview.

Of course, translating that Concern into Making a Difference is another matter.

Posted by: Clippy-based AI at December 19, 2014 10:06 PM (0NdlF)

122 Pretty much written off Paul by this point.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 10:06 PM (MMC8r)

123 118: Yes, yes it is. Youngstown is,,,,colorful.

Posted by: puddleglum@work at December 19, 2014 10:06 PM (syGA0)

124 re 107: ark joke

the critic said "I speak more in Seurat than Ingres"

gotta go study... maybe back later

Posted by: mallfly at December 19, 2014 10:06 PM (zjcTL)

125 >>I commented the other day that Rubio was excellent on hannity. Much better than Cruz.

Do you have a link to Cruz's appearance on Hannity?

What I've seen of Sen. Cruz's written response to Obama's Cuba move has been very solid. Example in nick.

Rand thought he could jump on this and gain some advantage. He was wrong and very sloppy. 'Can't say I'm surprised.

Posted by: Y-not looking forward to the 9 day weekend at December 19, 2014 10:06 PM (9BRsg)

126 Oh, oh. Ace running an ONT.
This didn't turn out too well last time as I recall.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 10:07 PM (Dw98+)

127
well Rand Paul is gonna win the nom...easily

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 19, 2014 10:07 PM (oF/3c)

128 85 New lady started at work this week. She's black, Christian, and anti-Obama. I got to talking to her and she eventually went off on the Prezzy's destruction of The Constitution.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:53 PM (BNIaE)

There you go, judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.

Posted by: Obama, Obama, Holder, Jackson, RACISM Inc. at December 19, 2014 10:08 PM (PDSex)

129 Oops. Wrong thread.
So this is just hunky-dory then.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 10:08 PM (Dw98+)

130 *

Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade. at December 19, 2014 10:08 PM (cmBvC)

131 As for Rubio, he's still in a very deep hole with me. Very deep. So aside from his minimal job qualifications for the Top Spot, I do not trust him ideologically. The amnesty thing was too obnoxious.

Posted by: Y-not looking forward to the 9 day weekend at December 19, 2014 10:08 PM (9BRsg)

132 I just listened to it, and he did a good job explaining his position. It is likely that overthrow was always at best a stretch goal, but the real value of our policy is keeping Cuba in the annoying pest column. That's a boring objective, and not something to sell to voters. When it comes to places like Cuba, though, boring is good.

I don't really know much though. I do love Cuban Sandwiches. That, I know.

Posted by: Belinda Carlisle at December 19, 2014 10:10 PM (UvR6d)

133 Rubio is good on this topic. He's not a phony pol, because he has an emotional connection to it. I am still very wary of him because of amnesty, but I'm glad I heard this interview. It was good to hear the genuine passion in his voice - you don't get that from pols very often.

And yeah, compare and contrast with Rand Paul. Paul strikes me as an ideologue in the worst sense of the world. Like Obama, he has his Narrative (in Obama's case it's leftist, in Paul's case, it's libertarian) and nothing, not facts, will dissuade him. And, like Obama, Paul adopts a snotty, superior attitude to those he disagrees with. He was schooling Rubio, of all people, on Cuba?? The idiots who are acting like they know more about Cuba than Rubio are like people telling a Pole, "Hey, look, you don't know anything about the Russians. Let me tell you what they're like."

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands but not hot pink armpit hair) at December 19, 2014 10:11 PM (+XMAD)

134 If we should normalize with Cuba because 'what we've done for 50 years isn't working,' why not normalize with North Korea where what we've been doing for 60 isn't working?

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 10:17 PM (MMC8r)

135 128 85 New lady started at work this week. She's black, Christian, and anti-Obama. I got to talking to her and she eventually went off on the Prezzy's destruction of The Constitution.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 09:53 PM (BNIaE)

The black guy who runs our mailroom is the same. I'll go down there in the afternoons and he'll have Rush on. And once he found out I'm on the same page politically, he'll vent to me for half an hour if I let him. He has nobody else to vent to.

His kids are great - they both joined the military and served in Iraq and they agree with him. But they don't live here. His other relatives all worship Obama, all because - he'll rub his hand - "of this."

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands but not hot pink armpit hair) at December 19, 2014 10:17 PM (+XMAD)

136 hey Paul,
libertarians believe in property rights especially $50 billion.

Posted by: avi at December 19, 2014 10:22 PM (viqX2)

137 I can see a President Rand doing almost as much damage as Obama on an international scale because he'll stick to his libertarian views as a matter of principle - and damn the facts on the ground. And, well, I was hoping the apple had fallen farther from the nutty old Ron tree when it came to Israel - but I don't think it has.

Domestically, he'd be a big improvement, but the next US president will have a shitload of work to do abroad because of JEF's screw-ups, and Paul is not the guy for that job.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands but not hot pink armpit hair) at December 19, 2014 10:24 PM (+XMAD)

138
Marco Rubio? Oh, sure, admire the guy who polishes John McCain's ball sack on a daily basis. Mr. "Oooo, let me be a member of the Gang of Eight" Rubio. Open borders, good. Normalization of relations with Koooo-ba, bad.
Screw him. RINO piece of crap.
Shit'll be better when the revolution comes and we can start stringing politicians up from lamp posts on street corners. Will introduce a new level of seriousness in their job performance.
Vote DEMOCRAT! Bring the end here quicker, so we can reboot the Republic.

Posted by: PissedOffMerican at December 19, 2014 10:33 PM (xbQ9w)

139 Rubio is dead to me.

Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2014 10:33 PM (u9gzs)

140 Rubio sounded good since he's passionate and clear on this subject.
Walker still seems like "the man" that took on unions and is front line on the John Doe crap.

Rubio VP, maybe, to bring home Florida. But the only reason to "amnesty" some of the 20 million illegals is so we bio ID them, and know to never give them a vote of free stuff, and match them against crimes.

Broke the law and then worked illegally ... no vote ever, that's for those that wait and come legally. Only Dem's are insisting they vote, not the illegals, except their mouthy advocates. In time some "self deport". But Obama style amnesty and health care means another 20 million come soon, start taking over municipalities by illegal invasion.

Rubio still is soft on that.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 19, 2014 10:47 PM (+/zkf)

141 Obama promises "proportional' response to North Korea hack.

All your nothing, now belong to us. US. US.

Posted by: U.S. Hack Team at December 19, 2014 11:02 PM (LvVQC)

142 I'll try to find an authoritative cite.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 09:59 PM (noWW6)

Thanks. I'm only asking because in every Univision quote I can find Rubio is only talking about legalization (i.e. non-deportation) and then permanent residence, neither of which confers voting rights or refers to welfare benefits.

Posted by: CQD at December 19, 2014 11:03 PM (lyiq0)

143 Rubio is the guy that voted for Larazazaza's Invasion USA plans w/o even reading it so fuck him.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 19, 2014 11:17 PM (LHSA1)

144 95
Ace is easily swayed. One good speech and you have Ace.

It's not, however, because Ace's principles waiver; it's because Ace looks at politicians and wonders how others perceive them.

In other words, Ace is kinda like a talent scout for politicians for Team Conservative. Ace is always on the lookout for a good frontman.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 19, 2014 09:57 PM (oF/3c)

Ace has been leaving his gentleman's relish all over Rubio's garbage for years.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at December 19, 2014 11:24 PM (+Fae7)

145 Do conservatives really want to go through that again? Being all impressed with Republican foreign policy hawkishness and then after 8 years realizing that the rest was pretty much the slightly watered down liberal agenda? Is one W. not enough for you, Ace? I see the next political hang-over on the horizon.

Rand Paul (for whom I have no use either) may be callow, which is indeed worse than being wrong, but Rubeo is a shameless liar, which is worse than both.

Posted by: Red Widow at December 19, 2014 11:30 PM (gq3mB)

146 I liked his interview on Levin. I will say right here I would choose him for my vote over Jeb Bush!! Or Rand Paul. Or Christie.

Posted by: AnnaS at December 19, 2014 11:43 PM (P+I7L)

147 Just 10 more years and the embargo is going to put these commies out of power.

Posted by: Commie Chameleon at December 20, 2014 12:19 AM (nlQae)

148 It's of utmost importance that poor cigar makers in Cuba not be allowed to trade with cigar consumers in the USA, because freedom.

Posted by: Commie Chameleon at December 20, 2014 12:22 AM (nlQae)

149 Damn it Jane. That was just mean.
...Cuban food....

Posted by: mpfs, In Mourning For Jax Teller

It's called 'pollo'. Free translation - broiled chicken.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 20, 2014 12:35 AM (NaeCR)

150 Rubio is certainly a serious person. He was Speaker of the Florida House, the youngest ever, before running for Senate.

He made a serious error with the Senate Immigration Reform bill. As I cautioned my young Senators when first elected, first DeMint and then Scott, it is important to take your time and get the feel of the Senate before forging any policy alliances, everyone there has their own agenda and you should be able to define theirs first before working on a bill with them.

In short, he seems to have fallen in with a bad crowd. Rubio did back off the bill later and seems to now understand the necessity of enforcement measures coming first, other reforms to follow.

Again, the brashness of Paul, Rubio, and Cruz is refreshing but also not reflective of the maturity of real leaders - which is why they each need to serve a while in the Senate, at some point run for Governor in their states, do a good job and only then think they MIGHT be qualified for the biggest job in the world.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 20, 2014 12:56 AM (QIQ6j)

151 Staying home again if Romney is anywhere near the ticket. Same with Christie, Rubio, Bush III, and Cruz.

Nothing against the Bushes, but Bush III on his own will try to make Obamacare "work", along with more interventionism, Amnesty, not to mention sweeping all the Obama scandals under the rug.

Cruz is not American. He's a Canadian who retained his citizenship when it was convenient and discarded it all the same

I'd be willing to vote for Paul, if only because I trust his instincts on small government and foreign policy isolationism. Though he has the same track record as Cruz (virtually nothing meaningful, in that, they are like Obama), I doubt the apple falls far from the tree, which in Paul's case is a good thing because his father is an ironclad paleo-conservative..

Sarah Palin and Scott Walker are the best ticket. Rand Paul in the wings if Walker remains in his governorship.

Posted by: Terry at December 20, 2014 04:25 AM (D4+RX)

152 Nope.

Rubio's amnesty squirelliness is a dealbreaker, even if all his other positions are rock-solid perfect.

Posted by: Chester White at December 20, 2014 11:23 AM (dLF+N)

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Posted by: Regmodels.ru at December 20, 2014 03:53 PM (sh8b/)

154 Marco Rubio: Lifetime ACU conservative rating of 98.67. Anyone that calls him a RINO because they disagree with him on one issue (immigration) is an idiot in my book.

Posted by: HenryGomez at December 20, 2014 11:33 PM (ylZOn)

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