Early Morning Thread, 12/21/14 - Delayed Payments edition. [krakatoa]

Dear IRS.

I'm so terribly sorry your budget has tightened up this year. I know how hard it is to make ends meet on only 11.3 billion dollars. I can only say, America feels your pain.

It was so nice of you to ~~promise~~ warn us of the pain your inability to manage spending would do to the rest of us. Happily, you will still be able to give your people the raises they so richly deserve putting in those long hours ~~shredding hard drives~~ doing the people's work.

Imma just go ahead and claim 20 dependents from here on out, and pay up at the end of the year, so you guys don't have to worry your tender little heads about getting me my refund on time, mmkay?

______

So here's the open thread part: Is that actually legal? Can I withhold payments until the end of the year? I'm sure some of you guys know some strategies.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:13 AM

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1 first?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 21, 2014 07:08 AM (OsWis)

2 why is it all center-y?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 21, 2014 07:08 AM (OsWis)

3 Good Morning Morons. Today is Sunday, December 21, 2014, also the Winter Solstice. On this day in 1937 Disney's Snow White, the first feature length color and sound cartoon, premiered. The film industry called it Disney's folly because they claimed it would bankrupt Disney's studio. It almost did. It took three years to make it because he ran out of money and had to seek financing elsewhere. But in the end it was hugely successful and is still selling in the video market today.

.... centered again today?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:12 AM (u9gzs)

4 For once I agree with a union official. The NYPD police union is attacking DeBlasio for his previous comments on Ferguson and Garner, blaming the assassination of the two police officers on him. I say some of that blood on his hand deserves to go to Obama, Sharpton, and the MFM because they were just as bad as DeBlasio. In fact, the lying MFM is the one who falsely waved the "bloody shirt" to begin with and created this whole meme.

http://is.gd/4mJK2z

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:12 AM (u9gzs)

5 The Army lieutenant who was sentenced to 20 years in prison for ordering his men to fire on three Afghans who refused to halt approaching their check point was likely justified after all. There is a push on now to let him out. Sorry, it's not going to happen as long as we have an anti-American asshole in office. This was a BS charge, followed by a BS trial, and a political witch hunt. And what's more, it appears that evidence was withheld that would have found him justified at his trial in 2012.

http://is.gd/9M6s5Z

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:12 AM (u9gzs)

6 Rahm Emanuel's son was mugged in a strong arm robbery outside his home. Chicago, years of Democrat rule has made it another Detroit.

http://is.gd/oHwRXx

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:13 AM (u9gzs)

7 Itsa nightmare.

Posted by: Artuer Bent at December 21, 2014 07:13 AM (VtqRM)

8 As expected, Cuban exiles not happy with Obama's plans to normalize relations with Cuba. And a correction to comments I made yesterday regarding that "normalization". Based on the wording in the Fox article I said that he was violating half a dozen acts of congress prohibiting trade with Cuba. According to radio news I heard yesterday evening he has NOT lifted trade sanctions and can not do that legally. He needs congressional action for that.

http://is.gd/CNFS5f

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:13 AM (u9gzs)

9 Morons beware, EZ-Pass is being used in several States now to monitor cars for speeding.

http://is.gd/VpXEGU

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:13 AM (u9gzs)

10 Sharpton will make a comment this morning about the cop shooting. Is he sorry he made the comments or is he just looking to get in front of another camera? I go with the latter.

http://is.gd/ZjhEUQ

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:14 AM (u9gzs)

11 Raul Castro thanks Obama but says Cuba will stay communist. I'm sure that is "A-OK" with Obama.

http://is.gd/V2TPOR

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:14 AM (u9gzs)

12 not center-y anymore, Vic...

you da man.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 21, 2014 07:14 AM (OsWis)

13 I blame it on the alcohol.

Posted by: krakatoa at December 21, 2014 07:14 AM (eCtnP)

14 >> Is that actually legal? Can I withhold payments until the end of the year?

Yes. Kind of.

There are penalties for underpayment of estimated taxes if you fall outside a couple of safe harbor provisions.

Ideally you don't want to pay much or file for a big refund on April 15.

Posted by: Andy at December 21, 2014 07:15 AM (9YUiF)

15 Will Ivy League Colleges delay finals over the shooting of these two cops? Hell, they aren't even commenting on it. It's a nonevent for them.

http://is.gd/n4i9QS

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:15 AM (u9gzs)

16 DeBlasio tries to buddy-up to cops at hospital gathering. They turn their backs on him.

http://is.gd/JH3kNa

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:15 AM (u9gzs)

17 A short look at the cop killer who claimed it was a "revenge shooting". If that was so why did he shoot his girlfriend in MD first? I say he did it because he was already a borderline violent psycho and all these hate comments the MFM and liberal politicians were spreading sent him over the edge. And his mother naming him what she did didn't help matters either.

http://is.gd/Kwcj6G

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:16 AM (u9gzs)

18 Home invasion robbery thwarted by evil gun, taxpayers saved some money in the long run.

http://is.gd/EjCeXC

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:16 AM (u9gzs)

19 A cop was also shot in St. Louis yesterday.

http://is.gd/hfvvW5

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:16 AM (u9gzs)

20 Just one more reason to shun the corrupt UN organization, UNICEF.

http://is.gd/CQ9vzn

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:16 AM (u9gzs)

21 Midnight Mass in Great Britain is being killed off by drunks invading the churches.

http://is.gd/EgeY36

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:17 AM (u9gzs)

22 The US is seeking help from China on the Nork hackers.

http://is.gd/wEJkPC

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:17 AM (u9gzs)

23 Border Patrol agents abuse lax overtime rules, imagine that.

http://is.gd/vCVFvH

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:17 AM (u9gzs)

24 Obama's Theme for the New Year: We Can't Be Stopped

Not with the current GOPe.

http://is.gd/5iAUuU

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:18 AM (u9gzs)

25 Heritage looks at the reasons behind Obama's failures. There is one glaring reason that is missing. He tried to implement the far left wish list all in one sitting. It was a bridge too far. We can't go from a mixed economy to full bore communism in one president's rule.

http://is.gd/18yph6

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:18 AM (u9gzs)

26 The Daily Deals

http://is.gd/gbbBOY

That's it for today folks.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:18 AM (u9gzs)

27 Thanks Vic!

Morning all.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 21, 2014 07:19 AM (8ufJT)

28 I'm so terribly sorry your budget has tightened up this year. I know how
hard it is to make ends meet on only 11.3 billion dollars.

Perhaps things would not be so tough if they did not waste millions on new furniture and trips to Vegas.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:20 AM (u9gzs)

29 Someone that does that photoshop sorcery ought to do a lineup of Deblasio, Obama, Sharpton and Holder with their hands up but with their hands dripping in blood.

Posted by: f2000 at December 21, 2014 07:21 AM (ONKYQ)

30 12
not center-y anymore, Vic...

you da man.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 21, 2014 07:14 AM (OsWis)

Yeah, got fixed before I finished entering comments/links.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:22 AM (u9gzs)

31 We can't go from a mixed economy to full bore communism in one president's rule. Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:18 AM

Two points, Vic:

1) It hasn't been "one President." Starting with FDR, groundwork was done to transform this country into a "Worker's Paradise." With, of course, lots of gravy left over for the Elites.... Truman and Ike weren't so bad, but every President since (except, maybe, Reagan) has continued the Good Work.

2) You saying Choom Boy will gracefully step down in '17? More and more, I think that won't happen.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:23 AM (yAC3X)

32 14
>> Is that actually legal? Can I withhold payments until the end of the year?

Yes. Kind of.

There are penalties for underpayment of estimated taxes if you fall outside a couple of safe harbor provisions.

Ideally you don't want to pay much or file for a big refund on April 15.

Posted by: Andy at December 21, 2014 07:15 AM (9YUiF)

Yeah,Ii will be hit with a big penalty this year. My calendar file ate itself early this year where I had all my flags for sending in 1040ES. As a result I filed no quarterly payments until late November. I was sitting here and read an article about filing and it triggered my memory.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:25 AM (u9gzs)

33

DAY 775

688 to go (761 to Inauguration Day 2017)

Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Mugwumps, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microagressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:27 AM (CMkNk)

34 Can I withhold payments until the end of the year?

you can be fined for 'underpayment of taxes' if you

A) owe more then $1,000
B)owe more then 10% of you tax liability
C) paid less then last years total tax liability by the end of the year.

Posted by: harrywr2 at December 21, 2014 07:28 AM (vU+Y5)

35
I'm going to declare everyone on welfare as a dependent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:28 AM (CMkNk)

36 31 Two points, Vic:

1) It hasn't been "one
President." Starting with FDR, groundwork was done to transform this
country into a "Worker's Paradise." With, of course, lots of gravy left
over for the Elites.... Truman and Ike weren't so bad, but every
President since (except, maybe, Reagan) has continued the Good Work.

2) You saying Choom Boy will gracefully step down in '17? More and more, I think that won't happen.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:23 AM (yAC3X)

It actually started with Wilson converting us to socialism and then communism, but we had not gone full bore yet. We were what economists call a "mixed economy", part socialism, part fascism, and part capitalism. Obama is trying to eliminate the capitalism part and have us all fascism/communism.

This why I said "full bore communism".

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:28 AM (u9gzs)

37 9 Morons beware, EZ-Pass is being used in several States now to monitor cars for speeding.

http://is.gd/VpXEGU
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:13 AM (u9gzs)

Normally, I'd say turn off the EZ Pass until you are approaching the toll booth. But that little speed feature is probably always on.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:30 AM (CMkNk)

38 I'm going to declare everyone on welfare as a dependent.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:28 AM

We should all declare Choom Boy as a dependent.

In fact, damn near every gubmint employee should get each of us an exemption.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:33 AM (yAC3X)

39 My calendar file ate itself early this year where I
had all my flags for sending in 1040ES. As a result I filed no quarterly
payments until late November. I was sitting here and read an article
about filing and it triggered my memory.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:25 AM (u9gzs)

If you file what you think you owe before Jan 15 ( the last day of 4th Quarter Estimated Tax), will you still owe a penalty?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 21, 2014 07:34 AM (dFi94)

40
Hey Vic and Scribbler:

One thing that doesn't add up for me: I can understand this generation of idjits falling for "hope and change." What I don't understand is why there wasn't a full-throated uprising against Teddy Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson.

Will have to research that one, from the cultural point of view.

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Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 21, 2014 07:36 AM (Cq0oW)

42 39 If you file what you think you owe before Jan 15 ( the last day of 4th Quarter Estimated Tax), will you still owe a penalty?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 21, 2014 07:34 AM (dFi94)

The question asked by my tax programs is did you file quarterly payments of equal amounts (not said is by the due dates). Based on that I think I will be hit with a penalty.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:36 AM (u9gzs)

43 Eh, it's a charity thing and a fun game

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 21, 2014 07:37 AM (Cq0oW)

44 40 One thing that doesn't add up for me: I can
understand this generation of idjits falling for "hope and change."
What I don't understand is why there wasn't a full-throated uprising
against Teddy Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson.

Will have to research that one, from the cultural point of view.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:34 AM (CMkNk)

Teddy mostly stomped on buisness and left the taxes alone. Wilson raised taxes for WWI and wanted to keep them elevated for his social programs but congress said no at the time so the public was protected.
Now congress is just as bad as Obama. FDR ruined the public.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:39 AM (u9gzs)

45 Will have to research that one, from the cultural point of view.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:34 AM

Just spitballin' it here, JJ, but my guess would be that when those three were planting socialistic seeds, news traveled slowly, and -- at least when Teedie and Billy Howie were in office -- the country was generally happy and prosperous.

FDR and Choom Boy had full-blown Depressions, which makes radical solutions a little more palatable to the Great Unwashed. Plus, both were absolutely tops at co-opting the Elites (FDR's welfare programs for "artists" was an example) and of course the Mocha Messiah had his status as an Oppressed Minority Who is Not to be Questioned.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:40 AM (yAC3X)

46 My strategy is to not make too much money.

Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 07:40 AM (JdEZJ)

47 That's right, Vic. They calculate the liability by quarter for estimate filers.

One trick you may be able to use: if you have income subject to withholding (W-2, 1099-R, etc.) see if you can get the full amount of taxes you owe withheld from the last payment of the year. Withholding is deemed to be paid evenly throughout the year, regardless of when the actual cash transactions happen.

Posted by: Andy at December 21, 2014 07:41 AM (9YUiF)

48 Predictions: Sales of "I Can't Breathe" t-shirts will fall off. Calls to de-militarize the police will be muted.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 21, 2014 07:43 AM (g+akU)

49 15 Will Ivy League Colleges delay finals over the shooting of these two cops? Hell, they aren't even commenting on it. It's a nonevent for them.
http://is.gd/n4i9QS
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:15 AM (u9gzs)

Good question, Vic.

Posted by: m at December 21, 2014 07:43 AM (G891H)

50
I just can't understand how, given the American mindset in 1913 as opposed to today, state legislatures surrendered their power to the leviathan with direct election of senators and how no one screamed about the income tax post-1918.

Where the hell did I put Amity Shlaes' phone number. . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:44 AM (CMkNk)

51 It's tricky as they say they watch for single people suddenly claiming large numbers of dependents. (although they can't find the illegals when they do this)

If you are self employed/business and your wind up paying tax every year and you make over a certain amount (don't ask me what the number is), then they'll demand you start paying taxes quarterly and failing to do so will levy a fine and get an audit.

If you're salaried, just figure out how many dependents would null our any with holding. if it's over 7-10 or so I'd be careful and I'd look for some other way to zero my liability. (like quit your job and go on the black economy)

If you're moving somewhere else, consider just stop filing at your new job/location. Sometimes accounts fall through the cracks. Especially if you don't have a lot of other liabilities or any 1099's that can be used to triangulate what you're doing.

They rely heavily on voluntary compliance. They do have programs in place to correlate w-2's with w-4's, 1099's and your employers filings.

But they can only do so much.

Failure to file is usually not enforced until/unless you've made a very large amount and not paid any taxes on it and done so more than once. And it makes it easier if you're a celebrity. People who get charged usually have some other charge along with that.

Also a primary way that the IRS finds out about something you're doing that's questionable is from your ex or soon to be ex, you're account who's also a chiseler and he throws you to them to cut his sentence. They also have a rat line for anyone to tell them about someone else not paying. Sometimes the rats get a percentage of any recovery.

Remember what Ol Ben said: "3 can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 07:45 AM (RZzX3)

52 Morning!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2014 07:46 AM (/9Mak)

53 47
That's right, Vic. They calculate the liability by quarter for estimate filers.

One trick you may be able to use: if you have income subject to
withholding (W-2, 1099-R, etc.) see if you can get the full amount of
taxes you owe withheld from the last payment of the year. Withholding is
deemed to be paid evenly throughout the year, regardless of when the
actual cash transactions happen.

Posted by: Andy at December 21, 2014 07:41 AM (9YUiF)

The only income I have had since I retired that was subject to withholding was my retirement. But when I started getting SS a couple of years ago my income from retirement went down by the same amount I was getting from SS.

That reduced it below the threshold for withholding. I have been filing quarterly payments also since I retired because most of my income is not from interest and dividends from investments I made over my career. Since the retirement no longer had withholding and there is none for SS, and interest/dividends all of my tax payments are from the quarterly send in.

But still the problem wasn't the withholding amount. The problem is w/o those flags on my calendar I completely overlooked it and sent nothing in after the 1st qtr.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:47 AM (u9gzs)

54 I would always try to owe the IRS less than $500 and absolutely NEVER want a refund.

Oh hell yes. Increase the exemptions on the W-4 to make the withholding balance.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 21, 2014 07:47 AM (V70Uh)

55 Good Sunday Morning wankers. Glued to my idiot scope waiting on the reverend Al to comment on the 2 peace officers death he, deblasio and TFG are responsible for.

Posted by: Talibill at December 21, 2014 07:49 AM (in9qW)

56 51 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 07:45 AM (RZzX3)

I used to know a guy who was a carpenter who worked building houses aw a subcontractor. He filed no income tax for years and years. They eventually caught up with him and nailed his ass to the wall. He come close to going to jail.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:50 AM (u9gzs)

57 I just can't understand how, given the American
mindset in 1913 as opposed to today, state legislatures surrendered
their power to the leviathan with direct election of senators and how no
one screamed about the income tax post-1918. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:44 AM

The change to direct election of Senators has, despite what Vic thinks, a certain logic to it. In fact, I prefer it to allowing the corruptocrats in legislatures to pick another crony to "represent" me.

(Yeah, I know the current crop of Senators are uniformly pathetic, but the public carries the can for that, not the basic process.)

And the income tax after WWI is, in a sense, somewhat equivalent to the "Patriot Act" after 9/11. People will suck it up and endure erosion of rights/financial hardship when it is sold to them as necessary to recover from a catastrophe.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:51 AM (yAC3X)

58 Ahh the IRS. The gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Talibill at December 21, 2014 07:52 AM (in9qW)

59 57 Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:51 AM (yAC3X)

I think we differ on the direct election of senators. I don't think the Arizona legislature would have elected McStains or Flake more than one time had they seen how they behave.

This is also why we desperately need term limits for everyone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:54 AM (CMkNk)

60 57 The change to direct election of Senators has,
despite what Vic thinks, a certain logic to it. In fact, I prefer it to
allowing the corruptocrats in legislatures to pick another crony to
"represent" me.

(Yeah, I know the current crop of Senators are
uniformly pathetic, but the public carries the can for that, not the
basic process.)

And the income tax after WWI is, in a sense,
somewhat equivalent to the "Patriot Act" after 9/11. People will suck it
up and endure erosion of rights/financial hardship when it is sold to
them as necessary to recover from a catastrophe.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:51 AM (yAC3X)

I have never been one to say direct election of Senators caused more problems than having the State legislators putting them in. I have always said essentially what you just said.
In fact, by having direct elections which allow out of State contributions it may be even worse because that increased the power of the major political parties.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:54 AM (u9gzs)

61 He come close to going to jail.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:50 AM (u9gzs)

I was 18 working construction as a "self employed contractor". I had no clue. Ended up owing about 2k after the year and those guys were like the Mob. Seriously threatened almost daily with garnishment or jail. Ended up getting a high rate loan just to pay them off.

Posted by: Talibill at December 21, 2014 07:55 AM (in9qW)

62
I guess what I'm driving at is that the culture of corruption will not end overnight. But by restoring the seat of power more to the local level , and preventing entrenchment of corrupted people by rotating elected officials out, then the process of restoring things to some semblance of normality can work.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:56 AM (CMkNk)

63 Oops, read that comment backwards.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:56 AM (u9gzs)

64 Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:50 AM (u9gzs)

If you move around a lot, you can stay off their radar. Stay in one spot doing the same thing for years and yeah, they'll eventually zero in.

He was also not paying ANY taxes. If you are salaried and the amount taken out is about what you would pay, you can keep from filing for quite a while. (that may have changed as the computers get better) They've tightened up on 1099's from businesses so self employed are easier to track now.

And I'd bet that he had an accountant or partner or boss who realized what he was doing and ratted him out to save themselves some money and maybe get a finder's fee.

If you're completely in the black economy (totally off the books with everyone. Like the illegls do) you can avoid them for quite a while.

And unless you've got large amounts that you paid no taxes on for years, the recovery for failing to file is to send in the forms with late payments and the late penalties. They usually won't bother trying to put you in jail. (unless you ignore them AND stay in the same place where they can find you.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 07:57 AM (RZzX3)

65 Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 07:51 AM (yAC3X)

I see where you are coming from. However, the idealist in me thinks that the state legislatures would stand up against unfunded liabilities and other state-unfriendly proclamations from the feds.

See > illegals. The states have to educate them, treat them in hospitals and clinics etc. Just one example of many.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 21, 2014 07:57 AM (8ufJT)

66 But still the problem wasn't the withholding amount. The problem is w/o
those flags on my calendar I completely overlooked it and sent nothing
in after the 1st qtr.

Paper calendar.

*ducks*

Posted by: Retread at December 21, 2014 07:58 AM (l7hog)

67 Yo
Well I want to go shooting and watch the bears fail behind clauson but I think I'll take T to the airport instead
Uggggh
And I'm not going to discuss the cop shooting
I'm too disgusted

Posted by: NCJ rolling deep in his MRAP at December 21, 2014 07:58 AM (MaUQj)

68 Warren Wilhelm and the unindicted criminal Sharpton and the rest of team commie, Holder, Obozo, et al have to be made to pay a price for what they are directly responsible for.

They all have blood on their hands.

To bad the GOP is non existent in NYC, Rudy was the last and their aren't any on the horizon,

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 07:58 AM (/CPn2)

69 66 Paper calendar.

*ducks*

Posted by: Retread at December 21, 2014 07:58 AM (l7hog)

I plan on that exactly for 2015, I will do both. But the problem there is I never look at the paper calendar.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:59 AM (u9gzs)

70
Well, we have to all start somewhere and just like the left, attack along multiple axes simultaneously.

That and pitchforks.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:00 AM (CMkNk)

71 I think we differ on the direct election of
senators. I don't think the Arizona legislature would have elected
McStains or Flake more than one time had they seen how they behave.
This is also why we desperately need term limits for everyone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:54 AM

I think a majority of the current Senators would have still found their way in if they had to suck up to legislators to get their gigs. And perhaps a few who were even more reprehensible and corrupt, especially from states like MA, CA and NV.

Term limits? Absolutely. I'd go farther than that, but will not advocate what I want to see, which is a system that involves dungeons or, perhaps, walls, blindfolds and rifles on a regular basis for any elected officials who violate the law in any way during their terms.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 21, 2014 08:00 AM (yAC3X)

72 68 To bad the GOP is non existent in NYC, Rudy was the last and their aren't any on the horizon,

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 07:58 AM (/CPn2)

The GOP is essentially non-existent anywhere anymore, even when they are the majority Party.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:01 AM (u9gzs)

73 68 To bad the GOP is non existent in NYC, Rudy was the last and their aren't any on the horizon,

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 07:58 AM (/CPn2)

Thank goodness we at least have Michael Grimm.

/S

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:01 AM (CMkNk)

74 I'm completely sold on the flat tax idea. 9-10% across the board for EVERYONE. That would sole all the bullshit loopholes that are built in for the super buddies of well placed politicos.

Posted by: Talibill at December 21, 2014 08:02 AM (in9qW)

75 Term limits??? Remember who sold us out on that? It was RINO Rudy, the hero of NYC.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:02 AM (u9gzs)

76 Warren Wilhelm and the unindicted criminal Sharpton and the rest of team commie, Holder, Obozo, et al have to be made to pay a price for what they are directly responsible for.

They all have blood on their hands.

To bad the GOP is non existent in NYC, Rudy was the last and their aren't any on the horizon,

Posted by: Kreplach

I would gladly donate money so the widows/family of these two cops can sue those who led the recent demonstrations for damages. Glen Beck had audio clips of their "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" chant. If that is not agitating for murder then I don't know what is.

Posted by: Jade Sea at December 21, 2014 08:07 AM (3mqP5)

77 @75

He didn't over turn term limits that was Bloomberg.

He did attempt to get them overturned after 9/11.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 08:07 AM (/CPn2)

78 72 The GOP is essentially non-existent anywhere anymore, even when they are the majority Party.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:01 AM (u9gzs)

Well, the GOP as an actual party with principles, conservative principles of small "r" republicanism, certainly is extinct.

They are a party that believes in big government but that thinks it can manage it better than the Dems when they are in power, or have no problem with the Dems in charge so long as they get their payoffs.

This. Must. End.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:10 AM (CMkNk)

79 Rudy sounds good this AM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:10 AM (nzKvP)

80 77
@75

He didn't over turn term limits that was Bloomberg.

He did attempt to get them overturned after 9/11.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 08:07 AM (/CPn2)

Not talking about term limits for mayor of NYC. There were several States that had enacted term limits for their congress critters. I don't remember all the details, but as soon as the States started passing term limits court actions began. Initially the court refused the cases on standing. Rudy crossed the aisle in a deal with the Democrats to rig a scheme where they could get standing. That is when SCOTUS shot term limits down.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:11 AM (u9gzs)

81 "9-10% across the board for EVERYONE."

Just to balance a budget we're at a point we need to take 20%. Throw in state and local spending, over 30%, from everyone.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 08:12 AM (BXkFh)

82 74 I'm completely sold on the flat tax idea. 9-10% across the board for EVERYONE. That would sole all the bullshit loopholes that are built in for the super buddies of well placed politicos.
Posted by: Talibill at December 21, 2014 08:02 AM (in9qW

I'm not up on the differences between the Fair Tax, Flat Tax or National Sales Tax. BUT the Progressive Income Tax has been one of the pillars of our destruction. That has to go, and it will be the hill the left dies on. Literally.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:12 AM (CMkNk)

83 As a small business owner I have been advised to do just that.... hold out until the end of the year and let my money work for me. The penalty for doing so is apparently very small.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 08:12 AM (DmNpO)

84 Good morning...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:13 AM (BNIaE)

85 Rudy crossed the aisle in a deal with the Democrats to rig a scheme where they could get standing. That is when SCOTUS shot term limits down.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:11 AM (u9gzs)

Rudy was never in Congress?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:13 AM (nzKvP)

86 85 Rudy was never in Congress?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:13 AM (nzKvP)

You don't have to be in congress to cross the aisle and make deals with the opposition Party,

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:14 AM (u9gzs)

87 You don't have to be in congress to cross the aisle and make deals with the opposition Party,
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:14 AM (u9gzs)

I have no idea what your talking about Vic. You have any links for what your saying?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:15 AM (nzKvP)

88 Sharpton: Using the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown in connection with violence against police is disgraceful

unfuckinbelievable.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:16 AM (nzKvP)

89 Bo Deitel is hot this AM.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:17 AM (nzKvP)

90 I sometimes wonder about rdbrewer's sense of humor, that Dr. Evil sketch he linked to on the sidebar was unbelievably lame. Even the SNL live audience barely chuckled and they'll laugh at anything.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 08:18 AM (BXkFh)

91 Bo keeps calling DeCommio "Big Bird" and an "Idiot". Good Stuff

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:19 AM (nzKvP)

92 Now he called him a "Moron". Should we be insulted?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:21 AM (nzKvP)

93 Bo's turing red and spitting he is so mad

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:22 AM (nzKvP)

94 NDH that is true if you don't owe too much. The penalty is not very large.

I have had a small business for over 20 years. I stopped paying quarterly a long time ago and just pay the penalty. I like to hold on to my money as long as possible

As a small business you can expense a lot of things to keep your net income down. Take advantage of that. If you know however that you will show a big profit in a particular year then making quarterly payments is probably a good idea. Sometimes it depends on cash flow.

Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:22 AM (JdEZJ)

95 81 "9-10% across the board for EVERYONE."

Just to balance a budget we're at a point we need to take 20%. Throw in state and local spending, over 30%, from everyone.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 08:12 AM (BXkFh)

How about cutting budgets by 30%? The other issue is paying down the national debt. At over $100 trillion that is now virtually impossible, even if we have a national consensus and political will to do it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:22 AM (CMkNk)

96
Just a quick post - hello from Way Down Here on a warm Sydney summer night

The news about those poor coppers being murdered is just so sad - and I've just watched this bloke on Fox news go off about the Mayor!

Can anyone sack the Mayor? Who is his boss?

Posted by: aussie at December 21, 2014 08:25 AM (b/1aA)

97 I've just watched this bloke on Fox news go off about the Mayor!

Can anyone sack the Mayor? Who is his boss?

Posted by: aussie at December 21, 2014 08:25 AM (b/1aA)

The "Bloke" is a former NYC Detective

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:27 AM (nzKvP)

98
Amy Pascal is now considering a black actor to play Bond in the next installment.

That Al Sharpton. Is there nothing he can't destroy?

(He can kill most me with his breath)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:27 AM (CMkNk)

99 96 Can anyone sack the Mayor? Who is his boss?

Posted by: aussie at December 21, 2014 08:25 AM (b/1aA)

Either Vladimir Putin or Zombie Lavrenti Beria.

G'day, mate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:28 AM (CMkNk)

100 FB post from one of the murdered cops spn is heartbreaking
http://bit.ly/1xAPjqL

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 08:28 AM (cbfNE)

101
me = men

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (CMkNk)

102 As much as I hate keeping track of sales tax I think the Fair Tax is a pretty good plan. You pay taxes on only what you buy, except for essentials. Taxes paid on essentials are reimbursed thru a monthly rebate.

Yes I know you don't like it Vic. That's ok I don't particularly like any flat tax plans. Either way though is better than what we have now.

Also the Fair Tax does away with the IRS and filing tax returns.

Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (JdEZJ)

103 87 I have no idea what your talking about Vic. You have any links for what your saying?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:15 AM (nzKvP)

I have been looking for the specific case and the details. Originally the anti-term limit crowd could not get standing because the courts said that they had not been "injured". Rudy made a deal with the Democrats that he would provide a case that would get standing. And it did, and standing got shot down.

The case that they shot them down with was finally U.S. Term limits v Thornton coming out of AR. I can't find the initial details but if my memory is correct Rudy was up to his elbows in this case.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (u9gzs)

104 spn = son

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (cbfNE)

105 93 Bo's turing red and spitting he is so mad
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:22 AM (nzKvP)

In general, I find Bo Dietl to be a neckless oaf. But his rage is completely justified.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:30 AM (CMkNk)

106 Amy Pascal is now considering a black actor to play Bond in the next installment.

That Al Sharpton. Is there nothing he can't destroy?

(He can kill most me with his breath)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:27 AM (CMkNk)

They made that movie didn't they? It was called "Shaft"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:30 AM (nzKvP)

107 "Can anyone sack the Mayor? Who is his boss?"

I'm sure there are mechanisms within NYC charter to recall/remove him. Will they do it?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:31 AM (BNIaE)

108
97 Nevergiveup

Thanks, no wonder he is so passionate - heard him mention all those police murders in the '70s

Dreadful

Posted by: aussie at December 21, 2014 08:31 AM (b/1aA)

109 "How about cutting budgets by 30%? "

On the federal level that would be the entire discretionary spending part, all of it, the entire physical federal government except defense. Entitlements and Defense eat up 60%. That's how fucked we are.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 08:32 AM (BXkFh)

110 I can't find the initial details but if my memory is correct Rudy was up to his elbows in this case.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (u9gzs)

I have no recollection of anything like that from Rudy. But hey if someone has been in public life for 30 years, there is always going to be something you can cherry pick to hold against them. 100% purity is hard to come by. And to be honest I've followed Rudy pretty closely.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:33 AM (nzKvP)

111 Good morning, fappers. Let's hope today is a better one than yesterday.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:33 AM (9BRsg)

112
99 JJ Sefton

hi so that means he'sthere for his full term

However he might just get an attack of conscience and resign....

Posted by: aussie at December 21, 2014 08:34 AM (b/1aA)

113 111>> Every day above the dirt is a good one, regardless of whether or not it is better than the previous one.

Morning everyone!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 21, 2014 08:34 AM (60Vyp)

114 The cops were dudes. Not chicks.

We were hearing ladies all last night.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:34 AM (BNIaE)

115 Can anyone sack the Mayor? Who is his boss?

Posted by: aussie
-------------

It's an elected position. He might be subject to recall, but that would require that the same idiots who elected him to 'un-elect' him in a special election. That will not happen.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 08:34 AM (kgisg)

116 Gee Drudge FINALLY caught up with the news?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:35 AM (nzKvP)

117 It's an elected position. He might be subject to recall, but that would
require that the same idiots who elected him to 'un-elect' him in a
special election. That will not happen.

--

Not if they, in any way, were reflected by those vile and numerous tweets in support of the murders. I'll bet they were even dancing in the streets and passing out candy. Leftists, ignorant and otherwise, are sick, violent mofos.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 21, 2014 08:37 AM (tsGZY)

118 Shorter IRS: You can't prevent us from destroying evidence requested in a Congressional hearing without penalties and you can't prevent us from imposing onerous tax regulations on you with penalties!

Resistance is futile!

All your dollar are belong to us!

Posted by: From Lois Looner with Love at December 21, 2014 08:37 AM (fL/7/)

119 102 Also the Fair Tax does away with the IRS and filing tax returns.
Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (JdEZJ)

This is the spigot from which the Left control us. Anything that kills it kills them and their power.

I'm in favor of any plan that does it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:37 AM (CMkNk)

120 Yes I know you don't like it Vic. That's ok I don't
particularly like any flat tax plans. Either way though is better than
what we have now.

Also the Fair Tax does away with the IRS and filing tax returns.

Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (JdEZJ)

The fair tax unfairly penalizes retired people and the developer of that PPOS openly admits that. It also keeps the progressive tax, and it also carries with it a lot of the same unfair bull shit that the current system has. It would be a massive tax increase for me.
A flat tax with no exceptions and no deductions is the best way to go. and a flat rate of 8% would be enough.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:37 AM (u9gzs)

121 The Obama administration has asked China for help with curbing North Koreas ability to launch cyberattacks like the one federal officials say crippled Sony Pictures, according to a published report.

Hey is that going to work as well as asking China to help stop NK from getting the Bomb?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:38 AM (nzKvP)

122 The Fair Tax is stupid for one reason - black market goods. All you are doing is encouraging more goods to be sold under the counter.

I favor a sort of flat tax.. zero percent for the really poor, 10% for middle class, 15% for above $200k. The "flat" part comes in with no deductions and no loopholes. And everything is taxable.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2014 08:38 AM (/9Mak)

123 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 21, 2014 08:34 AM (60Vyp)

When I wake up, I check and if I'm on the green side of the sod, it's going to be an OK day!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2014 08:38 AM (fL/7/)

124 Anything with "fair" in front of it is not.
Proggie code word.

Iirc fair tax starts off with everyone gets a handout. Eff that.

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 08:39 AM (cbfNE)

125 If you truly don't know/believe where this country is headed, take a look at the 'Can they breathe" story on Twitchy.

You really think that can be fixed?

Yeah good luck with that plan. Arm yourself!

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 21, 2014 08:39 AM (KDLSe)

126 "
The Obama administration has asked China for help"

HAH!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:39 AM (BNIaE)

127 @121 I can think of one administration that would have no problem sharing our cyber "secrets" with the Chinese to get their "help" on this issue. Not that it wouldn't happen anyway.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 21, 2014 08:41 AM (xq1UY)

128 120 A flat tax with no exceptions and no deductions is the best way to go. and a flat rate of 8% would be enough.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:37 AM (u9gzs)

Flat tax it is.

I'm in.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:42 AM (CMkNk)

129 "He might be subject to recall, but that would require that the same
idiots who elected him to 'un-elect' him in a special election."

He hardly won a sweeping mandate to begin with. Turnout was quite low. So he would hypothetically be vulnerable.

But there are no recalls in New York state at any level of government. The state's Republicans have pushed for this in the past without success.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2014 08:43 AM (noWW6)

130 116 Gee Drudge FINALLY caught up with the news?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 08:35 AM (nzKvP)

He was stuck in the Air Force One wheel well.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:43 AM (CMkNk)

131 535 votes in congress, you couldn't get 20 of them to vote for a flat tax. You should talk about it in the context of the next variant of a country cause there ain't no way in hell the current system is going to make any meaningful changes till the whole thing collapses.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 08:45 AM (BXkFh)

132 129 But there are no recalls in New York state at any level of government. The state's Republicans have pushed for this in the past without success.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2014 08:43 AM (noWW6)

If the NYPD and NYFD openly declare their disgust/distrust with Bill Wilhelm Klink that would be fine by me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:45 AM (CMkNk)

133 A flat tax with no exceptions and no deductions is the best way to go. and a flat rate of 8% would be enough.

Posted by: Vic
--------------------

I am a flat tax fan myself, but have reservations about 'no exemptions'. Consider my grandmother. She lives on about $28,000/year now, and pays 0 tax. She isn't exactly living the high life, in fact, she's having to spend down her savings.

At 8% she would have to pay $2,240 in tax. That would be a hell of a burden for her. Thus, I have reservations about the 'no exemptions'. Eliminating other Fed taxes would *not* offset the $2.240.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 08:46 AM (kgisg)

134 "But there are no recalls in New York state at any level of government.
The state's Republicans have pushed for this in the past without
success."

No recalls at any level?

?

Then NYC and the state takes it good and hard.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:46 AM (BNIaE)

135 109 "How about cutting budgets by 30%? "

On the federal level that would be the entire discretionary spending part, all of it, the entire physical federal government except defense. Entitlements and Defense eat up 60%. That's how fucked we are.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 08:32 AM (BXkFh)

Okay. Cut it 75%.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:47 AM (CMkNk)

136 There is no point in addressing tax structure until we show somw spine on spending. Any GOPer candidate who blathers about taxes without first showing me he is going to address spending has pretty much lost me.

And clor me skepticsl that a new rax structure will be loophole proof. The rich and the welfare class will always find a way. It is invariably the middle class that pays the price.

The only thing that makes me more nervous than tge income tax schemes is a national sales tax.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:47 AM (9BRsg)

137 134 Then NYC and the state takes it good and hard.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:46 AM (BNIaE)

I feel like the chicken.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:47 AM (CMkNk)

138 But there are no recalls in New York state at any level of government. The state's Republicans have pushed for this in the past without success.

Posted by: torque
------------------------
That figures.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 08:48 AM (kgisg)

139 I like Rudy. I imagine he is seething today.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:48 AM (9BRsg)

140 About the cop killer

After he shot his girlfriend in the stomach, Baltimore police contacted NYC police that he was coming to Brooklyn. How did they know. What did he say? I don't think his Instagram posts would have been enough to lead them to that conclusion. He was wearing a cap that said Brooklyn on it in one of his photos.

He knows someone in Brooklyn. Family I bet. They aren't telling us everything.

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 08:49 AM (zOTsN)

141 Rudy Guilliani on FNC during the next segment

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 08:49 AM (DmNpO)

142 brother just called so I will be out for a while.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 08:49 AM (u9gzs)

143 98
Amy Pascal is now considering a black actor to play Bond in the next installment.

That Al Sharpton. Is there nothing he can't destroy?

(He can kill most me with his breath)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 08:27 AM (CMkNk)

.......

Tangentially, I watched "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" with the kiddos last night. I hadn't realized until my 20s that it was written by Fleming, yet it's so obvious in retrospect. It's Disneyfied, musical Bond.

And I didn't know that Roald Dahl did the screenplay. I expect Walt excised a good bit of his nuance.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 21, 2014 08:50 AM (yxw0r)

144 The Fair Tax does not keep a progressive tax. It does away with that. It's in the proposed bill. I don't know where you are getting that from.

There is already a black market and always will be. Flat tax will not do away with that either. Nor will it do away with the IRS.

From Fairfax dot org:

"No current supporter of the FairTax would support the FairTax unless the entire income tax is repealed. Moreover, concurrent with the repeal of the income tax, a constitutional amendment repealing the 16th Amendment and prohibiting an income tax will be pushed through Congress for ratification by the states (filed as HJR 16 in the 110th Congress"

Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:51 AM (JdEZJ)

145 Some idiot prog was - get this - blaming the police for alerting NY police by "fax." Apparently this prog has never heard of electronic faxes, probably because she's never worked in an office.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:51 AM (9BRsg)

146 I am shocked that there is nothing in the city charter of NYC to address removing an elected official that isn't working out.

He/She is elected, begins a four year reign of eating babies and murdering puppies.........meh.

Really, NYC?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 08:52 AM (BNIaE)

147 Cop killer in NYC? Black MUSLIM.

Funny how his religion just happens to never be mentioned???

Doesn't fit the narrative.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 08:52 AM (0FSuD)

148 NDH,
You need to do a post on your Christmas tree.
In fact, a cob post on our holidat decorations could be fun.
Will Dave in Texas re-post his Crap Tree post?

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:53 AM (9BRsg)

149 Some idiot prog was - get this - blaming the police for alerting NY police by "fax."
----------------------------

???
Because a piece of paper placed on the desk is less attention-getting than an email?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2014 08:54 AM (kgisg)

150 And yes spending is out of control and no amount of taxes will fix that.

Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:54 AM (JdEZJ)

151 Apparently the picosecond diff btwn phone lines and internet makes all the diff.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:55 AM (9BRsg)

152 They had just sent the alert 3 minutes before

How did they know he was going to Brooklyn. Did he tell the girlfriend? Did he have family there? Had he been going there for the protests?

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 08:55 AM (zOTsN)

153 He told somebody exactly what he was going to do

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 08:55 AM (zOTsN)

154 Morning morons. Wife got over served last night at black tie party. She will not be much fun today. ha ha

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 08:57 AM (0FSuD)

155 The IRS is a paper tiger. If they send you a letter disallowing a deduction, file the paperwork to go to court. It's included in the letter, costs about 60 bucks. Then, wait for the IRS to fall apart like a two-dollar suitcase. Trust me, the IRS always settles, usually for about 10 cents on the dollar.

It's your money, keep as much as you can.

Posted by: TommyTee at December 21, 2014 08:57 AM (fbbr9)

156 The only thing that makes me more nervous than tge income tax schemes is a national sales tax.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:47 AM (9BRsg)

My fear is that because of the emergency, we will see them try to institute either a VAT or National Sales Tax, for the children (of illegals) of course!.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2014 08:59 AM (fL/7/)

157 Completely OT, but I was at Legal Insurrection just now and it got me wondering. Is there a reason that blog completely ignores the existence of this obe? He never links to HQ. was there some "thing" I missed?

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 08:59 AM (9BRsg)

158 Was she seved with a nice chianti?

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 09:00 AM (9BRsg)

159 How did they know he was going to Brooklyn. Did he tell the girlfriend? Did he have family there? Had he been going there for the protests?
Posted by: ThunderB
.............
Some of his instagram posts mentioned he was going to Brooklyn

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 21, 2014 09:01 AM (/9Mak)

160 Guiliani being gracious about de Blasio.

I think he's doing it for new York city. Not for de Blasio

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:02 AM (zOTsN)

161 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:34 AM (CMkNk)

As Winston Churchill said, the best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with your average voter. Some periods are worst than others but human nature is what it is and the publics stupidity has been present since the Peloponnseian War. He'll its possible that Huey Long could have been elected President if he hadn't been assassinated. Democracies start on borrowed time.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 21, 2014 09:03 AM (3jmxp)

162 You're
An EXTREME Redneck When...

1 You let your
14-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front
of her kids.

2 The Blue
Book value of your truck goes up and down depending on
how much gas is in it.

3 You've been
married three times and still have the same
in-laws.

4 You think a
woman who is out of your league bowls on a different
night.

5 You wonder
how service stations keep their rest-rooms so
clean.

6 Someone in
your family died right after saying, 'Hey, guys, watch
this.'

7 You think
Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader.

8 Your wife's
hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan.

9 Your junior
prom offered day care.

10. You think
the last words of the Star-Spangled Banner are
'Gentlemen, start your engines.'

11. You lit a
match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off
its wheels.

12. The
Halloween pumpkin on your porch has more teeth than your
spouse.

13. You have
to go outside to get something from the
fridge.

14. One of
your kids was born on a pool table.

15. You need
one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at
the House of Tattoos.

16. You can't
get married to your sweetheart because there's a law
against it.

17. You think
loading the dishwasher means getting your wife
drunk.

And in
closing....

Two good
ol' boys in a Alabama trailer park were sitting around
talking one afternoon over a cold beer after getting off
work at the local Nissan plant.

After a while
the 1st guy says to the 2nd, "If'n I was to sneak over
to your trailer Saturday make love to your wife
while you was off huntin' and she got pregnant and had a
baby, would that make us kin?"

The 2nd guy
crooked his head sideways for a minute, scratched his
head and squinted his eyes thinking real hard about the
question. Finally, he says, "Well, I don't know about
kin, but it would make us even!"

NOW
ALLY'ALL HAVE A GOOD
DAY

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 09:04 AM (0FSuD)

163 I saw the Instagram. I think they have something else. Like statements to his girlfriend

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:04 AM (zOTsN)

164 "I think he's doing it for new York city. Not for de Blasio"

Yeah. Agree.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 09:04 AM (BNIaE)

165 was remarking before that chitty chitty bang bang has a musical number in a candy factory that would be in Spanish were it updated to today

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 21, 2014 09:06 AM (Cq0oW)

166 Rudy is an adult.

I know he has a lot of ideological (and personal) flaws, but I like him.

Posted by: Y-not, evil Hobbit at December 21, 2014 09:06 AM (9BRsg)

167 Guiliani unlike de Blasio or Sharpton, is not willing to throw gasoline on this fire and burn New York to the ground

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:07 AM (zOTsN)

168 "Rudy is an adult.
"

Yes he is. Personal/ideological, yes he is.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 09:07 AM (BNIaE)

169 I think Gul is really have to work to keep calm. He is REALLY pissed.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 09:09 AM (0FSuD)

170 I am sure his private comments are much more emotional

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:10 AM (zOTsN)

171 "Normally, I'd say turn off the EZ Pass until you are
approaching the toll booth. But that little speed feature is probably
always on.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 21, 2014 07:30 AM (CMkNk)"

As I understand it, the EZ Pass is a kind of RFID device. Essentially the only information it returns is a serial number. The computers back at the shop match up the serial number to your account and deduct the toll money from your account. Since the location of all the sensors is known, they can easily calculate the time at which your EZ Pass was read at each sensor and if it shows up at Sensor B in less time than it would take to get from Sensor A at the legal speed limit, they can automatically generate a speeding ticket for you.

That capability has always been there. The reason most states have not done that is because it discourages people from getting EX Pass cards and the EZ Pass devices make processing of payments for toll roads much cheaper than any alternatives. If people start prying the EZ Pass devices off their windshields, they either stay off the toll roads, resulting in congestion on the alternate routes and underused toll roads which have trouble paying the bonds which financed construction of those roads.

All in all, it is a short sighted greedy policy that is likely to backfire on the people doing it.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 21, 2014 09:10 AM (PD6iL)

172 He just said he is struggling to keep his emotions in check

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:10 AM (zOTsN)

173 I wonder what he would say to sharpton

Hucksters and con men

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:11 AM (zOTsN)

174 Gul is a smart MFer. He's really in control. So why no mention of the cop killers religion?

That would be Mohammedan.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 09:11 AM (0FSuD)

175 Enforcing Obamacare was always going to drown the IRS.

No thanks to Republicans, O-Care may die under its own weight.

Posted by: Valiant at December 21, 2014 09:11 AM (4rlxS)

176 You know the biggest fear of a NYPD officer?

Those fucking Scandi Lutherans after communion when they are all boozed up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 09:13 AM (0FSuD)

177 "So why no mention of the cop killers religion?"

Because religion of peace.

They go around murdering everybody? Incidental.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 09:13 AM (BNIaE)

178 I think it's time, after New Year's day, for a bad case of Blue Flu in NYC.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 09:17 AM (0FSuD)

179 "I say some of that blood on his hand deserves to go to Obama, Sharpton,
and the MFM because they were just as bad as DeBlasio. In fact, the
lying MFM is the one who falsely waved the 'bloody shirt' to begin with
and created this whole meme."

On the waving of the bloody shirt in Ferguson, I had missed it earlier that McCulloch, the STL prosecutor who convened the Brown-Wilson grand jury, now says that several of the grand jury witnesses were quite obviously lying both to his investigators and on the stand.

Including a guy who tried to give "eyewitness" testimony, purporting to be damning against Wilson, but who was provably not even in town on the day of the shooting.

If the prosecutor's office had simply been allowed to winnow out these obviously bullshit "eyewitnesses", the case against Wilson would have appeared much more flimsy from the start, and it would have been much more difficult for Sharpton, Parks and Crump, and the like to whip up total hysteria. (Hysteria that has now resulted in the deaths of two cops.)

But if the prosecutor HAD tried to exclude these obvious bullshitters, the Eric Holder-run Justice Department would have landed on him like the proverbial million pound shithammer. Suppressing black community testimony! Rayciss eleventy!

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2014 09:18 AM (noWW6)

180 Book thread up

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 09:21 AM (u9gzs)

181 If I read the article correctly, it's not that the E-Pass is being used to write tickets for speeding from toll plaza to toll plaza. Other technologies (laser, radar, MK 1 eyeball) are being used to detect speeding IN the toll plaza area. Which can be hazardous to staff, and to other drivers, depending on the toll plaza configuration. Some toll plazas essentially automated old designs, where toll collectors have to walk from a building on one side across many lanes. Not too unsafe if every car has to stop to pay the toll. If some lanes are entirely automated, there are people who will try to drive through at 70 mph.

Which in GHWB's phrase, wouldn't be prudent.

Posted by: Fox 2! at December 21, 2014 09:22 AM (brIR5)

182 As the liberal would do, don't let a crisis go to waste.

These two dead cops need to be stuck up every liberals ass every day.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 09:23 AM (0FSuD)

183
Sharp ton giving a presser with Garners family today

Joy

I would be feeling pretty unsafe if I were him. Right now FDNY and NYPD wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:24 AM (zOTsN)

184 "Normally, I'd say turn off the EZ Pass until you are
approaching the toll booth. But that little speed feature is probably
always on."

Mylar bag.

Note that the same bag will also prevent the new generation of US federal passports, with their embedded chip, from responding to remote interrogation. Interrogatives which can be generated by anyone with thirty bucks worth of hardware.

I don't know about you, but I am not too happy with the thought that while walking down the street in various foreign countries, my dumb-ass government have stupidly saddled me with a passport that autoresponds wirelessly to such queries and says, "Yoo hoo! Americanski over here!"

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2014 09:24 AM (noWW6)

185 Our long national nightmare of Christmas music is nearly over.

At least until it starts up again after next Halloween.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 09:27 AM (FFqaj)

186 When we bought our EZPass's ten years ago, they came with Mylar pouches to store them in when not in use.

W just keep them Velcro'd into the windshield, and forget about them.

Lots of discussion in other locations concerning putting up readers in areas besides Toll Booths in order to track and record movement of EZPass bearing vehicles.
Tin Foil hat area....
right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 21, 2014 09:31 AM (irGEw)

187 Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 09:27 AM (FFqaj)

In an immense irony, Christian stations generally don't go to all-Christmas-all-the-time until a couple of days before actual Christmas.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 21, 2014 09:34 AM (GDulk)

188 183 I would be feeling pretty unsafe if I were him. Right now FDNY and NYPD wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:24 AM
~~~~
Nah, they would, but only one at a time till the fire extinguished itself.

Posted by: socalcon at December 21, 2014 09:42 AM (sWoVP)

189 The jEF released a comment after midnight

He unconditionally condemns it

His language. As opposed to conditionally condemning?

Wtf. What a weasel. Yes. The moment calls for lawyerly boilerplate

Marxist Asshole

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 09:47 AM (zOTsN)

190 In re: the tax question: You can claim up to married and 9 (on your W4) without having to provide documentation.

The question has been raised, by a number of dissidents and malcontents, "What would happen if everybody claimed "married-and-9" and then didn't file a tax return that year?"

Or, more to the point, how many would have to do it before the IRS lost it's happy thought, and gave up trying to prosecute?

Posted by: retiredspook at December 21, 2014 09:51 AM (7mMfh)

191 Withholding too much? Why are you giving the govt an interest free loan? Why don't we earn interest on the money we send in early? After all, we have to pay interest on funds we send in late. Waste some time and write your congressman....

Posted by: DeVan at December 21, 2014 09:56 AM (bQU8k)

192 Posted by: freaked at December 21, 2014 08:29 AM (JdEZJ)

NO. It doesn't. Most none of these tax plans eliminate the IRS. Someone's going to be in charge of collecting and paying and keeping track of who owe's what.

Plus the so called "Fair Tax" has the added liability of being a tax on everyday economics thus it will reduce said economics. Also it is hardest on those with a fixed income and those with a very low income.

It's not Fair and it won't get rid of the IRS.

Tell Neil Boortz to STFU. He doesn't know what he's talking about OR he's does and he's trying to screw things up.

Europe has a tax on the economy called VAT and it's horrible.

Being central to every transaction makes it transparent how much it costs everyone AND it's easier for those Douchebags in DC to raise.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 10:01 AM (RZzX3)

193 190
In re: the tax question: You can claim up to married and 9 (on your W4) without having to provide documentation.

The
question has been raised, by a number of dissidents and malcontents,
"What would happen if everybody claimed "married-and-9" and then didn't
file a tax return that year?"

Or, more to the point, how many would have to do it before the IRS lost it's happy thought, and gave up trying to prosecute?

Posted by: retiredspook at December 21, 2014 09:51 AM (7mMfh)

You can claim all you want on the W-4 but you best have proof of the claims you put on you 1040 or face penalties or jail.

And unless you are Al Sharpton, or equivalent, they will latch onto you like a snapping turtle and will not turn lose.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 10:03 AM (u9gzs)

194 Last year I had some IRS "difficulties", mainly brought upon myself. I kinda fucked up some tax calculations and ended up sending in too little.

A few months after the fact I get a letter from the IRS explaining that I owe several thousand dollars in penalties and interest along with the extra tax I owed.

I wrote back a letter detailing that I made a mistake, why I made the mistake, and asked for a forgiveness of the fines/interest.

A month later got a letter back saying OK, just pay the additional tax within 30 days and we'll waive the fines/interest.

This year I called the IRS as well with a question. After an hour on hold - literally an hour - I had a very helpful and knowledgeable person to talk to.

I'd still love nothing more than to eliminate income tax, but as far as the IRS goes, they're not all monsters there either.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2014 10:08 AM (0LHZx)

195 25 Heritage looks at the reasons behind Obama's failures. There is one glaring reason that is missing. He tried to implement the far left wish list all in one sitting. It was a bridge too far. We can't go from a mixed economy to full bore communism in one president's rule.

http://is.gd/18yph6
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 07:18 AM (u9gzs)

___________

What failures?

He nationalized banks. He nationalized health care. He nationalized GM. He banned oil drilling on public land. He normalized relations with Cuba. He raised taxes. He doubled the national debt. His EPA is in the process of killing the coal industry. He gave amnesty to 10 million illegals. 65% of kids today are on some type of welfare.

He has done everything he set out to do and accomplished more in 6 years than every other Democrat of the past 75 years. The US is basically a socialist country today.

If this is a failed presidency, I'd hate to see what a successful Obama presidency would look like.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2014 10:17 AM (0LHZx)

196 "Tangentially, I watched "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" with the kiddos last night. I hadn't realized until my 20s that it was written by Fleming, yet it's so obvious in retrospect. It's Disneyfied, musical Bond.

And I didn't know that Roald Dahl did the screenplay. I expect Walt excised a good bit of his nuance."

Bob's House...
1. CCBB was put out by United Artists, not Disney. (I don't like the movie, but my kids like the songs. One song is good.)
2. It bears little resemblance to the book by Fleming.
3. The book by Fleming is even MORE a spy action story than the movie.

I loved the book as a kid. It also has a fudge recipe.

Posted by: zerk at December 21, 2014 10:17 AM (dFBkj)

197 I run an amazon business for a living and don't make quarterly payments. Most of my income is in the 4th quarter. I pay everything in April. They just make me pay interest, it's in the single digits.

Posted by: VBJonny at December 21, 2014 10:35 AM (oOsa/)

198 1. CCBB was put out by United Artists, not Disney. (I don't like the movie, but my kids like the songs. One song is good.)
2. It bears little resemblance to the book by Fleming.
3. The book by Fleming is even MORE a spy action story than the movie.

I loved the book as a kid. It also has a fudge recipe.
Posted by: zerk at December 21, 2014 10:17 AM (dFBkj)

I did not know that. Thanks.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 21, 2014 10:49 AM (yxw0r)

199 Posted by: VBJonny at December 21, 2014 10:35 AM (oOsa/)
*******

Curious -- company status -- sole, llc ?? Thx

Posted by: gracepmc at December 21, 2014 10:54 AM (xvd51)

200 PBS' gun control poll just gets worser and worser.

"Poll: Would you support more restrictive gun laws in your state?"

Yes: 4.25% (5,100 votes)
No: 94.61% (113,445 votes)
Unsure: 1.14% (1,369 votes)

Vote here: http://tinyurl.com/lzo7s5v

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 11:07 AM (lG2E3)

201 Gun thread up

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:20 AM (u9gzs)

202 The funny thing about the IRS is that while making these vacuous claims, they're still hiring people by the boatload!! Go to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management's "USAJobs" Web site and do a search for vacancies at IRS. It's stunning that they're still hiring while claiming poverty. Anyone who actually knows anything about business (other than the fact that you can kill a business by sucking it dry through over-zealous taxation and tax enforcement) knows that human capital is the greatest expense. The cost to the taxpayers for a government position is not only the salary (the highest one posted), but another 40% annually for benefits, entitlements and other expenses. Contrast that with the fact that most of the IRS's revenue generation capacity is through automation and its most expensive activities are all tied to cases that get referred to revenue agents and attorneys for pursuit. Keep cutting their budget Congress. The IRS is nowhere near as lean as it needs to be.

Posted by: Manolo at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (myV+q)

203 VAT taxes are always instituted because of some identifiable "national emergency." They always start out very low -- perhaps 1%. They always ratchet up, and usually hit 20% within 10 years.

One night, we were at a restaurant in Fiji. The bill came, and I noticed it didn't add right. The waitress said, "oh, that's because of the 4% VAT."

I said, "oh, I didn't know you had one. It's only been, what, two years since it was adopted?" "Yes." "....after that big national emergency...." "Yes." "....and it's been hiked, what, twice? Started as 1%?"

"How do you know all this?"

Posted by: cthulhu at December 21, 2014 01:20 PM (T1005)

204 You can claim any amount of deductions you want on your W-4, as long as you can keep your owed amount under $1k when you file. It's only when you owe more than $1k that you are supposed to pay a penalty for deliberately underpaying. In fact, tweaking your W-4 so you pay the minimum deduction amount required to stay out of refund territory is a recommendation I see a lot, when it comes to money management.

Posted by: Mark at December 21, 2014 01:28 PM (R25EC)

205 So here's the open thread part: Is that actually legal? Can I withhold payments until the end of the year? I'm sure some of you guys know some strategies.

Depends.

Are you a wage earner?

Then yes.

Are you a business owner?

Then no.

You must make estimated quarterly tax payments. And if your estimate turns out to be low, at the end of the year, you make it up, AND pay a fine.

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