Fewer <i>US-Born</i> People Working in American Now Than in 2007; Foreign-Born Migrant Workers Account for the Increase in Employment

Fewer US-Born People Working in American Now Than in 2007; Foreign-Born Migrant Workers Account for the Increase in Employment

It's so retrograde to distinguish between "American" and "non-American."

Fewer Americans born in the U.S. have jobs now than were employed to November 2007, despite a working-age population growth of 11 million.
The amazing drop in employment highlights President Barack Obama’s slow recovery from the deep 2008 shock, but also spotlights many companies' growing reliance on foreign migrant labor.
In November 2014, one in every five U.S. jobs was held by a foreign-born worker, up from one-in-six jobs in January 2010, according to federal data highlighted by the Center for Immigration Studies.
Since November 2007, the number of working legal and illegal migrants has risen by two million, from 23.1 million in November 2007 to 25.1 million in November 2014.
But the number of Americans with jobs has fallen by 1.5 million, from 124 million in November 2007 to 122.6 million November 2014.

All of the net gain in employment from 2007 to 2014 -- all of it -- has gone to foreign immigrants.

When Americans say they still feel like they're in a recession -- that's because they are. American employment is lower now than it ever has been.

Yay?

Posted by: Ace at 05:51 PM

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1 Nu Americans

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 19, 2014 05:52 PM (W5DcG)

2 Fundamentally transformed, bitchez.

Posted by: Feh at December 19, 2014 05:52 PM (g/zj9)

3 We can thank the gop for this too.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 19, 2014 05:52 PM (y5ygC)

4 "...fundamentally transform the United States."

"the system worked"

Posted by: aquaviva at December 19, 2014 05:53 PM (50YB2)

5 And that is IF you believe the Obama lies for unemployment. I don't. I think it is actually around 20%.

Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2014 05:53 PM (u9gzs)

6 46.5 million are on food stamps, a steady increase since 1969.

Good times!

Posted by: Feh at December 19, 2014 05:54 PM (g/zj9)

7 When do the burning times start, again?

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 19, 2014 05:54 PM (UFa2O)

8 I wish Ace had checked with me before putting this post up.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 19, 2014 05:54 PM (oFCZn)

9 Time to start brushing up on my Edward Gibbon.

Posted by: Decline and Fall at December 19, 2014 05:54 PM (50YB2)

10 Fed leveraged at 77%. Yellen is pumping, baby. Fuck the little people!

Posted by: Feh at December 19, 2014 05:55 PM (g/zj9)

11 Obama has amply shown that he doesn't give a rat's ass about actual Americans.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2014 05:56 PM (8ZskC)

12 We are all 'muricans now.

Posted by: Lester MacKallister at December 19, 2014 05:57 PM (92OTJ)

13 We closed as a bookstore,

Opened again as a concept.

Posted by: Borders at December 19, 2014 05:57 PM (UFa2O)

14 But the number of Americans with jobs has fallen by 1.5 million, from 124 million in November 2007 to 122.6 million November 2014.

On the other hand, rape reports are at an all-time record level.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2014 05:58 PM (8ZskC)

15 Someone's got to say it-

"Unexpectedly..."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 05:59 PM (NeFrd)

16 Yeah I've noticed who's getting those yobs. My orders at almost every fast food joint is never right since no ones hables the english.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2014 06:00 PM (nzKvP)

17 Nothing to see here, pass the salsa.

Posted by: Karl Rove at December 19, 2014 06:00 PM (KVnkf)

18 Now you know why you feel alienated.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2014 06:01 PM (DL2i+)

19 Out of the shadows... Into a world of shit

Posted by: wooga at December 19, 2014 06:01 PM (w32Yh)

20 Sure, but the grievance industry is currently experiencing negative unemployment. So we've got that going for us.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:01 PM (ufrZ6)

21 Unemployment is an act of love.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (UlJ3l)

22 Hola, amigos! Would you like fries with that?

Posted by: huerfano at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (bAGA/)

23
By the way, Rand Paul sucks. Rubio may have been dead wrong on Shamnesty, but at least that was the only issue to my knowledge.

Rand Paul has been pandering and tightrope walking on too many things. And lest we forget, his presidency is a twofer with Old Man Luap.

Pass.

(And this is NOT an endorsement of Rubio)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (CMkNk)

24 But the number of Americans with jobs

--

We don't have to work for a living in the 21st century.
We have robots.

Posted by: Lester MacKallister at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (92OTJ)

25 Praise Obama and pass the tamales!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (uSAVP)

26 24 We don't have to work for a living in the 21st century.
We have robots.
Posted by: Lester MacKallister at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (92OTJ)

Let me know when they can pay my taxes for me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:03 PM (CMkNk)

27 But the Americans get all the funemployment. Typical racists!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 06:03 PM (oKE6c)

28 So the ATMs all disappeared when the immigrants showed up?

Posted by: Furious George at December 19, 2014 06:03 PM (UlJ3l)

29 They are God's children.

Posted by: McLaim at December 19, 2014 06:03 PM (uSAVP)

30 9 Time to start brushing up on my Edward Gibbon.

The way things are going you'd be better off brushing up on your Yule Gibbons. Most parts of the pine tree are edible.

Posted by: somejoe at December 19, 2014 06:03 PM (LvVQC)

31 Have a heart, and a chalupa.

Posted by: Rick Perry at December 19, 2014 06:04 PM (KVnkf)

32 25 Praise Obama and pass the tamales!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 06:02 PM (uSAVP)

In Soviet America, tamales pass YOU!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:04 PM (CMkNk)

33 Fewer US-Born People Working in American Now Than in 2007; Foreign-Born Migrant Workers Account for the Increase in Employment

Que?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 06:04 PM (oKE6c)

34 I suppose you Tea Party extremists would be happier if those 25.1 million jobs Americans won't do just weren't getting done, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:04 PM (ufrZ6)

35 29 They are God's children.
Posted by: McLaim at December 19, 2014 06:03 PM (uSAVP)

Can we ship them to Him straight away?

(Cruel to be kind)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:04 PM (CMkNk)

36 It should be noted : Texas job growth outpaces rest of U.S. combined

http://tinyurl.com/m54ryjo

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 19, 2014 06:04 PM (9sMMW)

37 Soon we will all resemble larva, soft white blobs oozing melted fat into the couch, as all labor in the nation is done by scurrying little brown workerbots.

Then the uprising.

The smell of burning larvae fills the night sky.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:05 PM (K4YiS)

38 You don't taunt fellow Republicans like Rand taunted Rubio. Wait until Rand loses on an issue he cares about, see how he likes being trash talked (if he cares about any issues, he seems more like an grandstander than anything else).

Posted by: bjk at December 19, 2014 06:05 PM (DOgiJ)

39 Pick any metric you want, things are going my way.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at December 19, 2014 06:05 PM (rwI+c)

40 If I could type as fast as Earle Stanley Gardner's secretaries, I could pump out 3 dystopian novels a month.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:06 PM (K4YiS)

41 Weren't governments supposed to promote and provide for the welfare of its citizens?

So how is it providing for the welfare for its citizens by providing for the welfare of non-citizens at the expense of its citizens?

Is this the new leftist definition of government?

Posted by: Rip at December 19, 2014 06:07 PM (QawMA)

42 But 'they took our jobs' is racist.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 06:07 PM (FFqaj)

43 starting with the president

***runs, hides***

Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 06:07 PM (zOTsN)

44 Prepara tu culo

Posted by: Ernesto Ewok at December 19, 2014 06:07 PM (KVnkf)

45 37 Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:05 PM (K4YiS)

Reminds me of an old physical fitness PSA from the 70's. A man's head is carried in a box by some sort of clone/robot who leaves him stranded on his pedestal.

"I'm ready to go Z-12. I'm finished. I have things to do. Z-12? Z-12? Z-12!. . ."

Cree-pee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:07 PM (CMkNk)

46 You know it's an authentic Mexican restaurant, when you ask for eating utensils and they hand you some more tortillas

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 19, 2014 06:07 PM (uJK1E)

47 So how is it providing for the welfare for its citizens by providing for the welfare of non-citizens at the expense of its citizens?

Is this the new leftist definition of government?
Posted by: Rip

I'm beginning to believe they really do want another civil war.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2014 06:08 PM (wr4LJ)

48 Another historic first for Barack!

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (v5UtH)

49 Speaking of America:

Rught now I'm listening to series of compilations:

'60s garage bands from Michigan;

and '60s garage bands from Pennsylvania.

Conclusion?

Sorry, Pennsylvanians, but you are weak. Michigan has you aced.

Only about 5%-10% of the underground garage-punk '60s 45s from Pennsylvania are even worth a second listen. But with Michigan, it's closer to 25%. And many of those end up in the "save for the iPod" pile, which some elite company.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (K4YiS)

50 >>When Americans say they still feel like they're in a recession -- that's because they are. American employment is lower now than it ever has been.

And we're racists for not wanting moar immigration, amirite?
What's the matter with Kansas????

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (ABcz/)

51 over 2 more years of this escalating shit unless congress will do their jobs. I think it would take a general strike (of taxpayers) to get congress to do that, so I don't think it will happen.

Posted by: Palerider at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (dkExz)

52 It's racist to care more about Americans than foreigners, you know.

Posted by: The American Left at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (ZPrif)

53 I mean, I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't want my children suffering the indignity of being obligated to assist a customer in some retail store.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (ufrZ6)

54 Saw a stat this morning on FNC. 65% of children born in the US now are born into families recieving government aid.

Transformation -- almost complete.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (MR0M+)

55 which some elite company = which is some elite company

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:10 PM (K4YiS)

56 Foreign-Born Migrant Workers Account for the Increase in Employment

No vato. EBT grino.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:10 PM (nTuxZ)

57 Success, wingnuts! Now off to Hawaii for some tee time; maybe I can catch Reggie under the mistletoe when Mooch is distracted.

Posted by: B.H.O. at December 19, 2014 06:10 PM (roESk)

58 This is like celebrating the fact that the Titanic was flooding only below the waterline.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 06:11 PM (FFqaj)

59 "When Americans say they still feel like they're in a recession -- that's because they are. American employment is lower now than it ever has been."

Don't worry. "Agent Orange" Boehner and "Guild Navigator" McConnell are on this. They'll be moving to uphold the interests of ordinary American workers over those of the Chamber of Commerce any time now. You bet. And when these two move on it, it'll be with spectacular force and determination. Yes sirree. Real soon. Take that to the bank.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:11 PM (noWW6)

60 You know what will fix this?
.
.
.
.
$15.00 minimum wage!!
Maybe I'll draft a memorandum on this while in Hawaii.....

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at December 19, 2014 06:11 PM (ABcz/)

61 Anyone else getting a weird YouTube redirect on the main page?

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:11 PM (qj3cg)

62 You know what else will fix this?
.
.
.
More immigrants from Syria and Cuba!!

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at December 19, 2014 06:12 PM (ABcz/)

63 "Yule Gibbons"?

Eats Christmas trees only?

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 06:12 PM (/jpU8)

64 You know we're still gonna hate white people after they become a minority, right?

Posted by: The American Left at December 19, 2014 06:12 PM (ZPrif)

65 Recession my ass.

Depression.

Were it not for 49 million EBT cards, you would see people in bread lines and selling apples and pencils on the streets.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 06:13 PM (uSAVP)

66 61 Anyone else getting a weird YouTube redirect on the main page?
Posted by: Lauren

Yes. YouTube as of today borderline unusable.

THey are excluding anyone with an OS or browser that dates to pre-2012.

Planned obsolesence, digital-style.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:13 PM (K4YiS)

67 You know what will fix this?....$15.00 minimum wage!!Maybe I'll draft a memorandum on this while in Hawaii.....
Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at December 19, 2014 06:11 PM (ABcz/)

And don't forget a carbon tax.

Posted by: Thomas Freidman at December 19, 2014 06:13 PM (MR0M+)

68 But who will be doing Michelle's laundry for the next 17 days while she sucks down platter after platter of buttered lobster and Kobe beef on va-cay-cay?

#ButWhoWasLaundry?

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2014 06:13 PM (UzPAd)

69 You know we're still gonna hate white people after they become a minority, right?

Hate me as long as you pay me. Stop paying and this bitch burns.......

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:14 PM (nTuxZ)

70 64 You know we're still gonna hate white people after they become a minority, right?
Posted by: The American Left at December 19, 2014 06:12 PM (ZPrif)

You might want to consult with the good people at Planned Parenthood first.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:14 PM (CMkNk)

71 Soon we will all resemble larva, soft white blobs oozing melted fat into the couch, as all labor in the nation is done by scurrying little brown workerbots.

Then the uprising.

The smell of burning larvae fills the night sky.
Posted by: zombie
--------------------

Complete with Revolution theme song: "Burn Down the Mission"

Posted by: by Elton John at December 19, 2014 06:14 PM (/GgDU)

72 >>So how is it providing for the welfare for its citizens by providing for
the welfare of non-citizens at the expense of its citizens?

We are all citizens of the world!
And everyone in an American. It's an ideal, not some silly documentation you may or may not have.

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at December 19, 2014 06:14 PM (ABcz/)

73 Well, since we don't seem to actually have a "rape culture", I guess we need to import one....

Posted by: Jen at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (msAGT)

74 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (ufrZ6)

75 Anyone else getting a weird YouTube redirect on the main page?
Posted by: Lauren

Yes. YouTube as of today borderline unusable.

F'n NORKS.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (nTuxZ)

76 So much for the Great Recession and self-deportation.

Legals and illegals. Doing the jobs Americans are being paid not to do.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (wVWRM)

77 Invasion USA. And how dare you question the provenance of Obama's replacement constituency, haters?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (yHNS+)

78 The elites have decided they can do just fine with whoever the commoners are. They will just buy temporary loyalty when it suits them. Who cares about citizens when we are part of a global economy? What are you, an isolationist/nationalist?

The world they run in is fairly homogeneous with quaint little customs here and there. Why don't you want those same quaint little customs in your neighborhood? Are you a racist?

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (nRvEn)

79 Eeeewww:

@CNN 29m
CDC: At least 4 people have died after eating caramel apples possibly infected with Listeria. http://cnn.it/1zJvL2L

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (wr4LJ)

80 And the reason? Thugs don't work. Mexicans do. Go to any construction site.

See any thugs? Nope. They are back at the crib working up another EBT credit.

Mostly because they are still traumatized by Gentle Giant's death.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 06:16 PM (0FSuD)

81 They terk er jerbs?

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 19, 2014 06:16 PM (KkVB6)

82 Americans rejected me in November 2014?

Well I rejected them starting in the summer of 2014. I'll have my new constituents out voting you next time around, sillies.

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at December 19, 2014 06:17 PM (ABcz/)

83 Just. No. Words.

*goes off mumbling, looking for strong drink*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 19, 2014 06:17 PM (OCcU9)

84 After All,
America's just an open air soup kitchen comprised of immigrants. What's all that talk about English Common Law and our collective history? I said, wingnuts, we are immigrants...that means if I want to import voters from a neighboring country that's ok. It's the essence of a healthy democracy to do that.
signed,xxoo
ted kenedy

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 19, 2014 06:17 PM (yHNS+)

85 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.

EEOC.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:17 PM (nTuxZ)

86 Yeah, conspicuously stuck in my trash can last week was a Christmas Card from Juan and Carlos. This week, conspicuously stuck in the recycling bin, a Christmas Card from Jase and Benito.

I think they want a gratuity but I want them back across the border. So I'll compromise and put extra smelly trash in the buggy and not recycle.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at December 19, 2014 06:18 PM (zxQ4h)

87 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.

And refusing to do business with non-Americans, and companies that hire them.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (rwI+c)

88 >>If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.

And Obamacare.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (ABcz/)

89 I for one welcome our foreign-born Overlords

Posted by: Kent Brock-O at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (4OZqu)

90 dammit

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (rwI+c)

91 When Americans say they still feel like they're in a recession -- that's because they are. American employment is lower now than it ever has been.

Yay?

You misspelled, "YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!"

Posted by: US Chamber of Commerce at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (bHnlE)

92 CDC: At least 4 people have died after eating caramel apples possibly infected with Listeria.

I've said for years Listerene is dangerous.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (nTuxZ)

93 Of course we would rather have others work.
Americans are "...a nation of cynics, sloths and complacents." I know because Michelle Obama said so...
Would you hire, well, you?
I know I wouldn't hire someone like, well, me.

Posted by: Mikeb at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (d/d3K)

94 74 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (ufrZ6)

Can't complete. Between baby mommas hitting the FS jackpot and baby daddies doing what they do and SSDI you can't get Americans to work for less than $20 an hour. They've done the math.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (wVWRM)

95 It's the Chamberpot of Commerce.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (wVBo0)

96 There's no such thing as jobs Americans won't do. Labor is a product of supply and demand, just like everything else. Cut the corporate tax rate and maybe we wouldn't have to import unskilled labor. Hector you're an ignorant cunt on absolutely every subject.

Posted by: Chupacabras at December 19, 2014 06:20 PM (o7UW9)

97 Complete= compete.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 19, 2014 06:20 PM (wVWRM)

98 This thread is Hector bait, isn't it?

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 06:20 PM (rwI+c)

99 And the reason? Thugs don't work. Mexicans do. Go to any construction site.

See any thugs? Nope. They are back at the crib working up another EBT credit.

Mostly because they are still traumatized by Gentle Giant's death.
Posted by: Nip
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To be fair, the white-privileged Harvard Law students aren't working either.

Posted by: by Elton John at December 19, 2014 06:22 PM (/GgDU)

100 Wait a minute! I was born here! Why am I still working? Oh, yeah, somebody has to pay taxes. (And I am blessed to be able to).

Posted by: Erowmero at December 19, 2014 06:22 PM (go5uR)

101 98 This thread is Hector bait, isn't it?
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 06:20 PM (rwI+c)

Except the library is closed now... no access

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 06:22 PM (4OZqu)

102
You might want to consult with the good people at Planned Parenthood first.
--

Whites are already a minority in grade school. Demographics is Destiny.

And what is lost through abortion is more than made up for in immigration, which is mostly non-white.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 06:22 PM (ZPrif)

103 People, People, People, People,

Freedom!

Dontja want Freedom!

Celebrate Freedom!

Posted by: The Calling at December 19, 2014 06:22 PM (92OTJ)

104 98 This thread is Hector bait, isn't it?
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 06:20 PM (rwI+c)

Yes, it is. I shocked he hasn't shown up yet.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 19, 2014 06:23 PM (KkVB6)

105 To be fair, the white-privileged Harvard Law students aren't working either.

To be fair, they are fainting and stressing.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:23 PM (nTuxZ)

106 74 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (ufrZ6)

Yes there is. It will cost you more due to government design. If they are H1-B's, they are close to being indentured servants because no job and you're gone. If they are illegal, they are a whole lot cheaper. If they are illegally legal, they are still cheaper than citizens because you do not have to pay health care to them.

Don't make me add that if you are a minority business owner you get a boatload of government preferences and cheap loans. Those franchises are all foreign just due to hard work. The gov't gives them a leg up.

If I don't like, and most people don't, the friggin' gov't should do one of their actual jobs and secure the border. Also, they should be looking out for their citizens and foreigners.

If you have not concern for you fellow citizens then go someplace else. I'm tired of the ignorant "If you don't like..." argument. It's lazy.

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at December 19, 2014 06:23 PM (nRvEn)

107 Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (K4YiS)

Is the Cane Shop still around?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2014 06:24 PM (Zu3d9)

108 Staycations and funemployment for everyone!

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 19, 2014 06:24 PM (nFdGS)

109 I might add. The Mexicans ~~are figuring out~~ have figured out the EITC though.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 19, 2014 06:24 PM (wVWRM)

110 To be fair, they are fainting and stressing.
Posted by: rickb223
---------------

Should have foreseen this when Brown got shot. Should have loaded up on smelling-salts futures. Dammit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:24 PM (/GgDU)

111 I can't stand losing you.

Posted by: The Police at December 19, 2014 06:24 PM (92OTJ)

112 95 It's the Chamberpot of Commerce.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:19 PM (wVBo0)

The Gas Chamber of Kronyism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:24 PM (CMkNk)

113 And I'm still mowing my own lawn.

Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 06:25 PM (HYl8S)

114 2014 was the first year that whites are now a minority in public schools. And the white % is still shrinking steadily.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 06:25 PM (ZPrif)

115 >>There's no such thing as jobs Americans won't do. Labor is a product of supply and demand, just like everything else.

Amen!
IIRC, a few years ago (pre-Obama) ICE hit a lot of the poultry processing businesses in the South and as a result, the jobs vacated by illegals will filled quickly, with the employers raising wages.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 06:26 PM (ABcz/)

116 I'm just letting my property go back to nature.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 06:26 PM (rwI+c)

117
Yes there is. It will cost you more due to government design. If they are H1-B's, they are close to being indentured servants ...
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at December 19, 2014 06:23 PM (nRvEn)

That's what the puke from Facebook wants - cheap labor that can't look for better jobs, also destroys the white middle class..

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 06:26 PM (4OZqu)

118 @96 - There's no such thing as jobs Americans won't do. Labor is a product of supply and demand, just like everything else.

Chupacabras - Most of our politicians don't understand Economics 101...and, it is no longer taught in the public school system....

Posted by: Jen at December 19, 2014 06:26 PM (msAGT)

119 I'm just letting my property go back to nature.
Posted by: toby928
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You've stopped shaving?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:27 PM (/GgDU)

120 Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (K4YiS)

I guess it's 924Gilman......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2014 06:27 PM (Zu3d9)

121 Yeah. Open a business. Work hard. Pay more taxes. That will fix it.

Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 06:27 PM (HYl8S)

122 119 I'm just letting my property go back to nature.
Posted by: toby928
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You've stopped shaving?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:27 PM (/GgDU)

Firing your manscaper?

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 06:27 PM (4OZqu)

123 Yes there is. It will cost you more due to government design. If they
are H1-B's, they are close to being indentured servants because no job
and you're gone. If they are illegal, they are a whole lot cheaper. If
they are illegally legal, they are still cheaper than citizens because
you do not have to pay health care to them.

Also, the federal govt is now paying employers to hire foreigners - $3,000 each, IIRC.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 06:28 PM (ABcz/)

124 121 Yeah. Open a business. Work hard. Pay more taxes. That will fix it.
Posted by: Garrett at December 19, 2014 06:27 PM (HYl8S)

Cash only.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:29 PM (CMkNk)

125 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers.

--

It's illegal to discriminate on national origin, right? If someone is legally authorized to live and work in America, isn't it illegal to refuse to hire them only because they aren't a citizen?

There are govt jobs that have citizenship reqs, but for regular jobs I think it's illegal discrimination to hire only Americans.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (ZPrif)

126 Finally the weekend. Whata week.

I worked today. It was kinda fun.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (JdEZJ)

127 "If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers."

There's nothing stopping me from buying and opening a coal mine.

Except for, y'know, the massive bolus of hugely expensive government rules and regulations specifically designed to discourage such ventures from being able to succeed.

And except for the government forcing people who would normally choose to buy my product to instead buy alternative competing products, while the government heavily subsidizes those alternatives relative to my product.

Yep, other than that, we sure do have a free market in the USA.

Needless to say, the USA labor market is just as rigged, to promote the interests of noncitizen workers over those of citizen workers.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (noWW6)

128
Look no further than Greece to see our future. Everyone on welfare, tax rate above 50%, people engaging in cash only business to avoid paying taxes, and then the whole thing collapses like a wet baklava.

Then, neo-Narzee's like Golden Dawn become all the rage.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (CMkNk)

129 If you don't like it there's nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:15 PM (ufrZ6)
How quaint that you think you live in a free country and get to choose whom to hire and fire.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (nFdGS)

130 Taxes? Here's an interesting example; in my small hyper-progressive town, if you want to close your business, you have to pay a $50.00 going-out-of-business fee.

Got that?

F*cking vultures.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (/GgDU)

131 When you are retired, everyday is saturday.

Posted by: Haysoos Paternick at December 19, 2014 06:31 PM (92OTJ)

132 129 Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (nFdGS)

No socks, no shoes, no proper genitalia, no cervix.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:32 PM (CMkNk)

133 107 Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:09 PM (K4YiS)

Is the Cane Shop still around?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

I assume you are referring to 924 Gilman, the punk club?

Yeah, it's still there. Unchanged, as far as I know.

Last time I went there was so long ago, it was to see a ragtag bunch of high school kids in a new band they had just named "Green Day."

But even at that show, the girls were screaming and fainting. I had a suspicion they were gonna go mainstream, even right at the beginning.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:32 PM (K4YiS)

134 "nothing stopping you from opening your own business and hiring nothing but American workers."

Nothing but the gawd awful regulations, taxes, and economy.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:32 PM (JdEZJ)

135 "I think it's illegal discrimination to hire only Americans.
"

Well you're not exactly going to be putting out a sign on the front door announcing your intentions, are you?

It's also illegal not to hire a pregnant woman because she's pregnant, but how many pregnant women get hired when there's another not-pregnant person equally qualified for the job?

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:32 PM (MYCIw)

136 130 Taxes? Here's an interesting example; in my small hyper-progressive town, if you want to close your business, you have to pay a $50.00 going-out-of-business fee.

Got that?

F*cking vultures.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (/GgDU)

Rubberized check.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:32 PM (CMkNk)

137 Sort of like Germany in the early 20th Century.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:33 PM (wVBo0)

138 "The Mexicans have figured out the EITC though."

Have they ever!

And it is about to get much much much worse.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/qzxg8hh

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:33 PM (noWW6)

139 I pay everyone in cash now. They are happy.

I see a slippery slop. I use a card for travel where I need a confirmation and they don't take cash.

Other than that? Nothing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 06:33 PM (0FSuD)

140 Taxes? Here's an interesting example; in my small hyper-progressive town, if you want to close your business, you have to pay a $50.00 going-out-of-business fee.
Got that?

F*cking vultures.

Good luck getting that. Close up on Friday evening end of business. Come Monday morning I'm a ghost.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:34 PM (nTuxZ)

141 Cash only.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:29 PM (CMkNk)

don't put it in a bank, the IRS will take it cuz ...regulations

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:34 PM (sEUh+)

142 130 Taxes? Here's an interesting example; in my small hyper-progressive town, if you want to close your business, you have to pay a $50.00 going-out-of-business fee.
Got that?
F*cking vultures.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:30 PM (/GgDU)

In CA, you have to pay $800/y tax on an LLC (for the privilege of paying $800 to the People's Republic), AND file a tax return for the LLC, AND include income from the LLC on your personal return, and of course pay tax on that.

I'm still figuring out how many state officials you have to blow to wind up an LLC.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 06:34 PM (oKE6c)

143 If you are going to start a business, just don't try to sell raw whole milk to consumers who want to make their own cheese, or just want to by local, organic, raw, unpasteurized whole milk.

Posted by: Haysoos Paternick at December 19, 2014 06:34 PM (92OTJ)

144 Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 06:32 PM (K4YiS)

A buddy of mine used to go occasionally....to beat up the poseurs from Orinda and steal their expensive leather jackets.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2014 06:34 PM (Zu3d9)

145 Oh, and getting cash has become an issue. Most banks simply won't give you a lot of cash.

I tried a week ago to get $7K in cash. They said they didn't have it? WTF? Manager said call us next time you need "that much" cash. $7K is a lot of cash?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (0FSuD)

146 If everyone paid me in cash that would be fantastic. Most business to business ain't gonna do that though.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (JdEZJ)

147 Rubberized check.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Good luck getting that. Close up on Friday evening end of business. Come Monday morning I'm a ghost.
Posted by: rickb223

Sure..., have a go at that.

Posted by: The Sheriff at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (/GgDU)

148 141 don't put it in a bank, the IRS will take it cuz ...regulations
Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:34 PM (sEUh+)

Crazy Eddie Antar ran a multimillion dollar discount electronics chain in NYC and ultimately went to jail for securities fraud. He kept millions of dollars in shoeboxes under his bed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (CMkNk)

149 Houston city attorney who subpoenaed sermons from churches just resigned!

Woot!

Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (YDMKm)

150 I work in HR so the idea you could open your own company and hire nothing but Americans is hilarious to me. Could you imagine?

Frankly, I'm surprised Obama hasn't abolished I-9 forms. Forcing someone to prove they are eligible to work in the US is like Ferguson all over again every single time someone gets a job.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (ufrZ6)

151 I warched a Mike Row thing on TV on how america was built on whisky, used as curance, etc.

maybe what is ole is new again

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (sEUh+)

152 I see a slippery slop.
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Leave me out of this.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (/GgDU)

153 In CA, you have to pay $800/y tax on an LLC (for the privilege of paying $800 to the People's Republic), AND file a tax return for the LLC, AND include income from the LLC on your personal return, and of course pay tax on that.

I'm still figuring out how many state officials you have to blow to wind up an LLC.

Incorporate in Nevada.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (nTuxZ)

154 149 Houston city attorney who subpoenaed sermons from churches just resigned!

Woot!
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (YDMKm)

The rest of that sentence ". . . she will be nominated to replace Ruth Bader Meinhoff on the SCOTUS."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (CMkNk)

155 Crazy Eddie Antar ran a multimillion dollar discount electronics chain in NYC and ultimately went to jail for securities fraud. He kept millions of dollars in shoeboxes under his bed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (CMkNk)

He must have been insane

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (4OZqu)

156 "Here's an interesting example; in my small hyper-progressive town, if you want to close your business, you have to pay a $50.00 going-out-of-business fee."

I have noted in various "progressive" literature recently how they allude to the coming glorious future, in which business owners will be sharply told by the people's commissars whether or not they can opt to close down.

Oh, you're losing money steadily? Tough noogies. You will be required to continue in business nevertheless. For the "community good".

Directive 10-289. It's not just for breakfast any more.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (noWW6)

157 152 I see a slippery slop.
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Leave me out of this.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (/GgDU)

Ha!

and feh!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (CMkNk)

158 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (CMkNk)

His prices are....INSANE!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (Zu3d9)

159 ole=old

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:39 PM (sEUh+)

160 155 He must have been insane
Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (4OZqu)

His prices were, allegedly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:39 PM (CMkNk)

161 It's also illegal not to hire a pregnant woman
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..., or a cross-dresser.

Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:39 PM (/GgDU)

162 I warched a Mike Row thing on TV on how america was built on whisky, used as curance, etc. maybe what is ole is new again
Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:37 PM (sEUh+)

Was that show just on a few minutes ago?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 19, 2014 06:39 PM (nFdGS)

163 I have noted in various "progressive" literature
recently how they allude to the coming glorious future, in which
business owners will be sharply told by the people's commissars whether
or not they can opt to close down.

Oh, you're losing money steadily? Tough noogies. You will be
required to continue in business nevertheless. For the "community good".

Directive 10-289. It's not just for breakfast any more.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (noWW6)

Many is the time I've thought that the Mexicans outside Home Depot have the right idea.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (oKE6c)

164 156 Directive 10-289. It's not just for breakfast any more.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:38 PM (noWW6)

Looks like a prime candidate for "Jewish lightning."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (CMkNk)

165
138 "The Mexicans have figured out the EITC though."

Yep. and every latino grocer will cash them...for his fee.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (uSAVP)

166 161 It's also illegal not to hire a pregnant woman
-----------------

..., or a cross-dresser.
Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:39 PM (/GgDU)

Strip and spread. Just to prove it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (CMkNk)

167 NYC and ultimately went to jail for securities fraud. He kept millions of dollars in shoeboxes under his bed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:36 PM (CMkNk)

how is keeping cash on your own property securities fraud?

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (sEUh+)

168 His prices are INSANE!!

http://tinyurl.com/d6v3atj

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 06:41 PM (0FSuD)

169 I have noted in various "progressive" literature recently how they allude to the coming glorious future, in which business owners will be sharply told by the people's commissars whether or not they can opt to close down.

I see a booming business in 2nd identities in the near futures.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:41 PM (nTuxZ)

170 It is still perfectly legal to not hire any Irish.

In fact, it's codified in the Texas constitution. We won't be repealing that any time soon after what that mick bastard O'Bama has done to the country.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 19, 2014 06:42 PM (ufrZ6)

171 how is keeping cash on your own property securities fraud?
Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (sEUh+)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Eddie

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 06:42 PM (4OZqu)

172 Oh, you're losing money steadily? Tough noogies. You will be required to continue in business nevertheless. For the "community good".
------------------

It is called "The Hugo Chavez Gambit"

In discerning circles, where the question has been studied, it is called 'Command Economy Economics', or 'Communism', for short.

Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:42 PM (/GgDU)

173 And from earlier today, a graph showing that ALL f the jobs created during the dismal reign of his imperial majesty have been part time jobs. Fewer people have full time jobs today than in January 2009.

By any metric, the Progressives have totally screwed America.

bit.ly/1w6IYMM

Posted by: MTF at December 19, 2014 06:42 PM (6um35)

174 "Houston city attorney who subpoenaed sermons from churches just resigned!"

I am cynical enough to expect that it wasn't the specific subpoenas about preaching topics which she proposed to issue, but rather that certain Houston area churches are pretty nervous about any sort of subpoena generically.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:42 PM (noWW6)

175 167 how is keeping cash on your own property securities fraud?
Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at December 19, 2014 06:40 PM (sEUh+)

It was a very weird sort of Ponzi-esque scheme. Before he went public, the auditors were told the business was worth $40 million dollars. However, Eddie kept skimming money and underreporting income for years. It got to the point where he opened so many stores, but many were very understocked, so when the auditors went to do inventory, he found out in advance which stores they were going to, load up merchandise, and then empty them out when they went on to the next location.'

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:44 PM (CMkNk)

176 I was ranting (yes!) to my wife the other day about how this regime hoses anyone who a) works for a living, b) pays taxes, c) obeys the law, d) is married (to someone of the opposite sex) and basically e) is a credit to society.

Meanwhile, the regime adulates the useless, the stupid, the ignorant, the crazy, the perpetual malcontents, the lazy, the perverted, and the criminal, in short, the dregs of society.

On what planet does that make any sense?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 06:44 PM (oKE6c)

177 How can you stay open if you have not enough business and income? They would have to force your landlord to let you stay rent free, get utilities free, etc. Not to mention paying people. Its impossible.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:44 PM (JdEZJ)

178 Gotta go. Getting dark outside. And this place is scary when it's dark. Very strange people start commenting when, you know, it gets dark.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 06:45 PM (MR0M+)

179 Damn, too late to share my story of oppressing a nice tall fellow at the grocery store today!

The economy still sucks. Everybody I the ground knows it, the rest is just spin. Ah well.

Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 19, 2014 06:45 PM (/bd0t)

180 so when the auditors went to do inventory, he found out in advance which stores they were going to, load up merchandise, and then empty them out when they went on to the next location.'
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2014 06:44 PM (CMkNk) ]/i]

So they got him for contributing to global warming, by trucking the inventory around?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 06:45 PM (oKE6c)

181 That Richard Rawlings guy never seems to have a problem getting his hands on beaucoup cash.

Posted by: Fast N Loud at December 19, 2014 06:45 PM (Qh4q9)

182 "On what planet does that make any sense? "

Self sustaining people are much harder to control.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:45 PM (MYCIw)

183 On what planet does that make any sense?

Ork?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:45 PM (nTuxZ)

184 Gotta go. Getting dark outside. And this place is scary when it's dark. Very strange people start commenting when, you know, it gets dark.
Posted by: Soona
--------------------

Oddly, the ONT folks regard the Daywalkers as maniacally dangerous.

Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:46 PM (/GgDU)

185 I've got to say though, guys, I just had the best BBQ I've ever had. A little Korean woman opened up a shack in downtown Temple and it rivals any of the stand in line for 4 hours (unless you're Obama) places in Austin. So, well, my heart isn't totally in this fight right now.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:47 PM (MYCIw)

186 How can you stay open if you have not enough business and income? They would have to force your landlord to let you stay rent free, get utilities free, etc. Not to mention paying people. Its impossible.
Posted by: freaked
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That's not the way that Jon Gruber described it..., and he's like, all smart and stuff.

Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:48 PM (/GgDU)

187 Here's an interesting example; in my small hyper-progressive town, if you want to close your business, you have to pay a $50.00 going-out-of-business fee.

Small change. Here in Pennsylvania you pay an unemployment tax based on total payroll. Which includes owners pay. BTW: Please include owners SS# on return. Why?

Because we don't let owners ever collect a dime in unemployment proceeds. They failed.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at December 19, 2014 06:49 PM (zxQ4h)

188 "They would have to force your landlord to let you stay rent free, get utilities free, etc. Not to mention paying people. Its impossible. "

The answer is simple. The government becomes your boss. Hello, fascism.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:50 PM (MYCIw)

189 How can you stay open if you have not enough business and income? They
would have to force your landlord to let you stay rent free, get
utilities free, etc. Not to mention paying people. Its impossible.

And isn't this exactly what Ayn Rand had happen in Atlas Shrugged?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 06:50 PM (ABcz/)

190 Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:44 PM (JdEZJ)

It's the progressive delusion that business owners by definition are sitting on piles of cash that they're too selfish to spread around. So they'll force the owners into bankruptcy as a show of good faith that there's simply no money available.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 19, 2014 06:51 PM (GDulk)

191 The answer is simple. The government becomes your boss. Hello, fascism.
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:50 PM (MYCIw)

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Talk to any business owner. The government already is the boss.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 06:51 PM (MR0M+)

192 If you were forced to work for the Empire couldn't you just lose $hitons of money?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:52 PM (wVBo0)

193 Still think you live in a republic ?

Got your finger ready to flick the lever for Jeb?

Suckers.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2014 06:52 PM (mR7Es)

194 Talk to any business owner. The government already is the boss.
Posted by: Soona
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Talk to any property 'owner', they will tell you that they only rent from the government.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:53 PM (/GgDU)

195 It hasn't been a Republic since 1865.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:53 PM (wVBo0)

196 >>Talk to any business owner. The government already is the boss

Due to the nature of our business, we are lorded over by various alphabet agencies .. DOT, ATF, EPA, etc. Not only do they make our lives hell they don't hold our foreign competitors to the same standards when they sell in the US.

Fucking madness.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2014 06:54 PM (g1DWB)

197 A little Korean woman opened up a shack in downtown Temple and it rivals any of the stand in line for 4 hours (unless you're Obama) places in Austin.

Illegally snuck over the border, no doubt.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 06:54 PM (0NdlF)

198 Talk to any property 'owner', they will tell you that they only rent from the government.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:53 PM (/GgDU)

------------------------------------------

Very very true.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 06:54 PM (MR0M+)

199 Dunno if this was covered in this or previous thread, but the Sony executive specifically contradicting the president's press conference comment about "contacting us sooner" - wow. No, let me take that back.

This kind of unbelievable, easily discovered, brazen, pertinent lie - from the mouth of the actual "president" - has now become a commonplace. People generally over- and misuse "lie" in political contexts, and really show their ignorance when they blithely assert that all politicians are liars.

But this aspect of our national degradation never ceases to rouse (briefly) my vestigial sense of outrage. Open, brazen, easily debunked, even silly lies - often about hugely important public policies - are simply daily fare now.

Did anyone hear the administration official (not sure which, probably from State, wasn't horseface) in Senate testimony from what, 3 weeks ago or something? Rubio (cigar ashes and Cuban coffee grounds upon him, hope he is replaced next cycle) was grilling the guy with very specific q's about diplomatic news or dynamics with Cuba. The guy flat out lied about what we now know was going on.

OK, back to resigned despair and escapism. Just a brief, regrettable outbreak of "WTFF?!!!!" from someone who remembers the America of 10,000 years ago (i.e., 10 years ago).

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2014 06:54 PM (afQnV)

200 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2014 06:55 PM (KCxzN)

201 It hasn't been a Republic since 1865.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Uh, oh.
Reaches in desk drawer for the Griswold & Gunnison

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 06:55 PM (/GgDU)

202 Radicalization of the people continues.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2014 06:55 PM (mR7Es)

203 '192 If you were forced to work for the Empire couldn't you just lose $hitons of money?'

Well when you put it that way it doesn't sound so bad.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:56 PM (JdEZJ)

204 I keep hearing music, but no one is dancing yet.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 06:57 PM (rwI+c)

205 Talk to any property 'owner', they will tell you that they only rent from the government.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Too true. Have to drop off the taxes next week.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 06:57 PM (nTuxZ)

206 "Open, brazen, easily debunked, even silly lies - often about hugely important public policies - are simply daily fare now."

See also: people being placed in charge of said hugely important public policies, who aren't even remotely qualified for such postings.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2014 06:57 PM (noWW6)

207 185 I've got to say though, guys, I just had the best BBQ I've ever had. A little Korean woman opened up a shack in downtown Temple and it rivals any of the stand in line for 4 hours (unless you're Obama) places in Austin. So, well, my heart isn't totally in this fight right now.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:47 PM (MYCIw

Strange location? That the place with the kennel out back?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 06:57 PM (uSAVP)

208 It hasn't been a Republic since 1865. Posted by: Boss Moss

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Here we go.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 06:58 PM (MR0M+)

209 184 Gotta go. Getting dark outside. And this place is scary when it's dark. Very strange people start commenting when, you know, it gets dark.
Posted by: Soona
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Oddly, the ONT folks regard the Daywalkers as maniacally dangerous.

Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:46 PM (/GgDU)

As one who lurks in both worlds, it's a toss-up whether the Daywalkers or the ONT Horde is scarier.

Posted by: Chet Cognomen, Apparently in Need of a Life at December 19, 2014 06:58 PM (RwwCT)

210 (Translated from the original Spanish for our benefit)

That's why we dumped you as a base.

Posted by: Partido Republicano Legado at December 19, 2014 06:58 PM (cL79m)

211 And I'm still mowing my own lawn.
Me too!

Posted by: sandy fluke at December 19, 2014 06:59 PM (Dw98+)

212 I run a small business but would not for the government. Other things would happen first.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 06:59 PM (JdEZJ)

213 "Strange location? That the place with the kennel out back?"

I didn't notice the kennel, but I got turned around a few times trying to find the place. It's where a street splits into two.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:59 PM (MYCIw)

214 Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:52 PM (wVBo0)

Pretty sure you'd only be allowed to take out living expenses for yourself and family *after* paying for everyone/everything else. Then again, subsidizing failing concerns *is* a progressive hobby, so maybe it would work out okay at least in the short-term.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 19, 2014 06:59 PM (GDulk)

215 Rinoceronte.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 07:00 PM (wVBo0)

216 As one who lurks in both worlds, it's a toss-up whether the Daywalkers or the ONT Horde is scarier.
Posted by: Chet Cognomen, Apparently in Need of a Life at December 19, 2014 06:58 PM (RwwCT)

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It keeps the timid and overly sensitive people in the bleachers.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:01 PM (MR0M+)

217 Nightwalkers are scarier. They're vicious, run in packs, brutal mobs.

Posted by: Joyce Augustine at December 19, 2014 07:01 PM (92OTJ)

218 "That the place with the kennel out back?"

Bark soup wasn't on the menu was it?

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 07:01 PM (JdEZJ)

219 Next week is my last day at work. I'm going back to school full-time and plan on doing some technical writing and engineering support to supplement my meager savings while I finish this degree.

In Texas, you just file for a sole proprietor or as an LLC, submit an annual franchise tax report ($0 tax if you make less than 300k). Skim 35% off whatever you make and send it in to Uncle Sugar quarterly.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 19, 2014 07:01 PM (60Vyp)

220 I'm SORRY but didn't you listen to my excellent oratory to my propagandists this afternoon?

BY EVERY MEASURE AMERICANS ARE BETTER OFF UNDER MY REIGN OF IGNORANCE SMART POWER!!!!

looks like somebody wants an rectal audit or to be tracked by the NSA. Yeah fuck you American citizens, especially the black ones. Shit has never been this bad for you and you are welcome.

Posted by: King Barky the Liar at December 19, 2014 07:01 PM (WGm5T)

221 "Open, brazen, easily debunked, even silly lies - often about hugely important public policies - are simply daily fare now."

Newtown Lawsuit against Bushmaster.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:02 PM (nTuxZ)

222 Nightwalkers are scarier. They're vicious, run in packs, brutal mobs.

Ain't skeered.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (nTuxZ)

223 Well this is shocking. The CEO of Sony claims they did indeed call the White House before they canceled the movie.

Just another Obama lie. Move along, nothing to see.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (g1DWB)

224 "As one who lurks in both worlds, it's a toss-up whether the Daywalkers or the ONT Horde is scarier."

BOO!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (BNIaE)

225 Bushmaster never sold that guy a gun.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (wVBo0)

226 See also: people being placed in charge of said hugely important public policies, who aren't even remotely qualified for such postings.
Posted by: torquewrench
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What the hell are you talking about?!
Why, when I was Mayor, we started a trolley line. Okay.., maybe it failed..., but so what?

That $10 Million loan that I arranged for the Dem Convention didn't have *anything* to do with me getting this job, and so what if we defaulted on it?

Posted by: Anthony Foxx, former Mayor of Charlotte, and Highly Qualifed Sec. of Transportation at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (/GgDU)

227
213 "Strange location? That the place with the kennel out back?"

I didn't notice the kennel, but I got turned around a few times trying to find the place. It's where a street splits into two.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 06:59 PM (MYCIw)

Korean. (dog) kennel. Joke. Some assembly required.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (0NdlF)

228 Working is so last century.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at December 19, 2014 07:04 PM (zauWW)

229 Sony CEO is also full of shit though. He says he pulled the movie because of theater boycotts. There were theaters still willing to show the movie.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:04 PM (MYCIw)

230 How may we be helping you today?

Posted by: Ashutash Jones at December 19, 2014 07:04 PM (XzRw1)

231 "Korean. (dog) kennel. Joke. Some assembly required"

Ha, see if you had said Chinese and cats I would have understood. The only people I think of eating dog are Indonesians thanks to Obama.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:06 PM (MYCIw)

232 >>Sony CEO is also full of shit though. He says he pulled the movie because of theater boycotts. There were theaters still willing to show the movie.

He wants the insurance cash. If the movie shows he would have a bigger fight on his hands.

Besides, I expect lies from Hollywood. Silly me, I hold the President to a slightly higher standard.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2014 07:06 PM (g1DWB)

233 195 It hasn't been a Republic since 1865.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 06:53 PM (wVBo0)

I think there's a great deal of truth in that. The supremacy of the federal government and the minimization of state power was pretty well clinched.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 07:06 PM (mx5oN)

234 Slaves were owned by their masters. They worked 24/7 for the "man". All their labor accrued to the owner.

I work 24/7. 50% of all my income from my labor accrues to the government.

So, I am only a half slave.

Think I could use that on my admissions application?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:07 PM (0FSuD)

235 Israel has disappointed Dear Leader once again.

IAF strikes Gaza in response to rocket fire

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 19, 2014 07:07 PM (XzRw1)

236 Nightwalkers are scarier. They're vicious, run in packs, brutal mobs.

Ain't skeered.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:03 PM (nTuxZ)

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When you feel their dusty rattling breath on your neck, you will be. Oh, yes.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:08 PM (MR0M+)

237 The only people I think of eating dog are Indonesians thanks to Obama.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:06 PM (MYCIw)

ur a good sport!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 07:09 PM (uSAVP)

238 NY Slime is now promoting Bernie Sanders, Socialist VT, as a presidential candidate.

WTF. Does Mary know about this?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:10 PM (0FSuD)

239 I watched 10 Marco Polo's in one day.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 07:10 PM (wVBo0)

240 NY Slime is now promoting Bernie Sanders, Socialist VT, as a presidential candidate.
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* goes to check Jiffy Pop inventory *

Posted by: Anthony Foxx, former Mayor of Charlotte, and Highly Qualifed Sec. of Transportation at December 19, 2014 07:11 PM (/GgDU)

241 "IAF strikes Gaza in response to rocket fire"

Heh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:11 PM (BNIaE)

242 239 I watched 10 Marco Polo's in one day.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 07:10 PM (wVBo0)

Episode 3 ten times?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 19, 2014 07:11 PM (uSAVP)

243 Think I could use that on my admissions application?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:07 PM (0FSuD)

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Or in the "Nationality" column, where it says "other", write in "serf".

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:11 PM (MR0M+)

244 Late to thread.

So how did all those migrant workers from Turkey and North Africa work for Germany and France?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:13 PM (uNkTU)

245 Where is Ali G?

"Make the rubble bounce!"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:13 PM (BNIaE)

246 237 The only people I think of eating dog are Indonesians thanks to Obama.

Try the bark soup. It's bark is worse than it's bite.

Posted by: Barky Obarker at December 19, 2014 07:14 PM (JdEZJ)

247 Or in the "Nationality" column, where it says "other", write in "serf".

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:11 PM (MR0M+)

The ATF form to buy a gun does NOT have an "other". You must state what ethic group you belong to, because, you know this makes a big difference in buying a gun.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:14 PM (0FSuD)

248 Lauren,

Do you remember the name of the place? I live in Temple and I would love to check the place out.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 19, 2014 07:15 PM (OsWis)

249 242 10 Episodes are up on Stream TV.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 07:15 PM (wVBo0)

250 Me thinks I smell a troll under Boss Moss

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 07:16 PM (4OZqu)

251 So this is a completely random question, but are any 'ette /wives of morons members of Daughters of the American Revolution?

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:16 PM (MYCIw)

252 The ATF form to buy a gun does NOT have an "other". You must state what ethic group you belong to, because, you know this makes a big difference in buying a gun.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:14 PM (0FSuD)

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So, Deutsche/Amerikanischer.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:16 PM (MR0M+)

253 184
Oddly, the ONT folks regard the Daywalkers as maniacally dangerous.

Posted by: Erk Holder at December 19, 2014 06:46 PM (/GgDU)

I'm more of an eveningwalker. Or eveningsitter, more accurately.

Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2014 07:17 PM (sdi6R)

254 201
It hasn't been a Republic since 1865.

Posted by: Boss Moss

************

Hey, hey, hey! A little credit, please!

Posted by: Zombie FDR at December 19, 2014 07:17 PM (yxw0r)

255 "Do you remember the name of the place? I live in Temple and I would love to check the place out."

Yep!

Pit Stop BBQ It's on 1st st. in an itty bitty cottage.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:17 PM (MYCIw)

256 Hey, hey, hey! A little credit, please!

Posted by: Zombie FDR at December 19, 2014 07:17 PM (yxw0r)

feeding a troll

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 07:18 PM (4OZqu)

257 Projecting much there Erk Holder? Your weaponized DoJ is fantastically dangerous.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:18 PM (uNkTU)

258 Thanks Lauren!

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 19, 2014 07:18 PM (OsWis)

259 We still suck.

Happy Holidays!

Posted by: GOP at December 19, 2014 07:19 PM (XzRw1)

260 So this is a completely random question, but are any 'ette /wives of morons members of Daughters of the American Revolution?
Posted by: Lauren
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My paternal grandmother..., but I have a feeling you are about to ask a question I cannot answer.

Posted by: Anthony Foxx, former Mayor of Charlotte, and Highly Qualifed Sec. of Transportation at December 19, 2014 07:19 PM (/GgDU)

261 No problem, SMFH.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:19 PM (MYCIw)

262 My paternal grandmother..., but I have a feeling you are about to ask a question I cannot answer.
Posted by: Anthony Foxx
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/sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 07:19 PM (/GgDU)

263 259 We still suck.

Happy Holidays!

Posted by: GOP at December 19, 2014 07:19 PM (XzRw1)

So does a vacuum cleaner

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 07:20 PM (4OZqu)

264 Try the bark soup. It's bark is worse than it's bite.

If the puns don't get better, I'm leafing.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:20 PM (nTuxZ)

265 ", but I have a feeling you are about to ask a question I cannot answer."

Nah, just curious if it's worth joining. If it's made up of like minded women it may be fun, but if it's been taken over by SJW's, not so much.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:20 PM (MYCIw)

266 feeding a troll

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 07:18 PM (4OZqu)

***********
Oops. Sorry.
From where the sun now stands I shall feed trolls no more forever.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 19, 2014 07:20 PM (yxw0r)

267 So this is a completely random question, but are any 'ette /wives of morons members of Daughters of the American Revolution? Posted by: Lauren

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My younger sister is eligible for the DAR. She doesn't really have any interest in joining though.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:21 PM (MR0M+)

268 I'm looking forward to the time where all our fast food is cooked and prepared by machines and the only human worker in the place is the minimum wage slave that loads the raw materials. Maybe by then the position will be worth the $20 an hour.

Of course by then all of our meat will be a product of the Soylent Company.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 19, 2014 07:21 PM (6fyGz)

269 If the puns don't get better, I'm leafing.

So you gonna blow? To be on the wind?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:22 PM (uNkTU)

270 Unions protecting the workers from owners

"3 plead guilty to extorting Christmas tributes from longshoremen"

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/3_plead_guilty_extorting_longshoremen.html

Posted by: MikeH at December 19, 2014 07:22 PM (4OZqu)

271 Nah, just curious if it's worth joining. If it's made up of like minded women it may be fun, but if it's been taken over by SJW's, not so much.
Posted by: Lauren
----------------------

See?
I really have no idea..., but my sister is currently pursuing info, so in time, I might have some insight.

Now..., the Daughters of the Confederacy...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 07:23 PM (/GgDU)

272 MikeH : Uh oh.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 07:23 PM (/GgDU)

273 Nah, just curious if it's worth joining. If it's made up of like minded women it may be fun, but if it's been taken over by SJW's, not so much.

Is there a Daughter's of the Confederacy? I doubt they would have been taken over.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:23 PM (nTuxZ)

274 Meanwhile someone should not have answered the door.

http://tinyurl.com/o9ufuk6

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:24 PM (uNkTU)

275 Is there a Daughter's of the Confederacy? I doubt they would have been taken over.
Posted by: rickb223
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Oh, yes indeed there is, and no, indeed, they haven't been taken over.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 07:25 PM (/GgDU)

276 " Daughters of the Confederacy..."

Haha, I'm pretty sure I'm also eligible to join that.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:25 PM (MYCIw)

277 Who caught Ascension this week?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 07:25 PM (0HooB)

278 Now..., the Daughters of the Confederacy...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 07:23 PM (/GgDU)

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Strange. But my younger sister would be eligible for that too.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:26 PM (MR0M+)

279 Like it or not, we're going to have to come to grips with a world where a steadily increasing fraction of the population has no economic value. The ant-Luddites didn't have to consider the possibility that new jobs are better performed by autonomous robots than retrained workers. What will these people do but get in trouble and make life miserable for everyone?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:27 PM (4nR9/)

280 274 Meanwhile someone should not have answered the door.

That ...

Have you ever heard of tsundere sharks?

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:27 PM (0NdlF)

281 Ascension??

Oh you mean the six hour movie pilot for SyFy's new series?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:27 PM (uNkTU)

282 "http://tinyurl.com/o9ufuk6"

What the Hell is that?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:27 PM (BNIaE)

283 Who caught Ascension this week?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 07:25 PM (0HooB)

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I caught bits and pieces between dozes. The ending sucked the big one.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:27 PM (MR0M+)

284 tsundere yes. But tsundere sharks uh no. And I am not going to look it up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:28 PM (uNkTU)

285 Oh you mean the six hour movie pilot for SyFy's new series?

Yes, that very one.

I like surprise endings.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 07:29 PM (0HooB)

286 Oh, yes indeed there is, and no, indeed, they haven't been taken over.

Figured they'd have #twoblasts of rock salt in SJW's butts if they'd try.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:29 PM (nTuxZ)

287
@270

Fucking Irish union leaders.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:29 PM (0FSuD)

288 What the Hell is that?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill

See, now that's something a computer would never think of. I'm sure they're shaking in their ICs.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:29 PM (4nR9/)

289 As I said at the end of Episode Three, the XO has Andy Weir's The Martian ace'd as the loneliest man in the whole universe.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:30 PM (uNkTU)

290 THE SHARK IS GETTING A KISS?

Posted by: AL SHARPIE at December 19, 2014 07:30 PM (JdEZJ)

291 Like it or not, we're going to have to come to grips with a world where a steadily increasing fraction of the population has no economic value.

A smartphone has value. A human being innately has more processing power and capabilities than the smartphone. It is ridiculous to say that human beings, who create value, might not have value.

So it's not a problem of humans not having value, it's a problem of humans not creating value.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:31 PM (0NdlF)

292 I always get jumped...without a kiss.

Posted by: The Shark at December 19, 2014 07:32 PM (Dlofw)

293 As I said at the end of Episode Three, the XO has Andy Weir's The Martian ace'd as the loneliest man in the whole universe.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:30 PM (uNkTU)

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Unless, of course, he discovers pyramids. And then he'll be swarmed with nubile beauties.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:33 PM (MR0M+)

294 And I am not going to look it up.

It's pretty amusing how adorable sharks look when you photoshop in anime eyes and a blush.

And your photo would work very well for that.

Not that I do anything related to that, no ...

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:33 PM (0NdlF)

295 I have a cousin in daughters of the confederacy. So yes, they exist. They are harmless.

I can't deal with the real drama before Christmas, I just want to be in a happy Christmas fog. 'When you're worried and you can't sleep, just count your blessings instead of sheep'...timely advice.

Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 19, 2014 07:33 PM (/bd0t)

296 Re. the original post, my unemployment during the Clinton recession (no one seems to remember that) was four weeks. In the Obama recovery, it was 13 months. But it was worth it, because now I make 30 percent less than I did before the layoff. Huzzah!

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 19, 2014 07:34 PM (yxw0r)

297 Also my grandmother was in DAR and I get the impression. It wa mostly a bunch of old ladies who pay for extra pins. But your chapter may be different!

Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 19, 2014 07:35 PM (/bd0t)

298 A human being innately has more processing power and capabilities than
the smartphone.

For how much longer? There's nothing innate about the intelligence of a smart phone. Human intelligence is largely static. AI isn't.

It is ridiculous to say that human beings, who create
value, might not have value.

This is a tautology. The question isn't whether human beings CAN create value, the question is whether they can create value, as defined by humans, more economically than can a robot equipped with AI equal to or better than human intelligence.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:37 PM (4nR9/)

299 I don't see a problem here

Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at December 19, 2014 07:37 PM (A6vWB)

300 @289, Anna, you following the Jessica Chambers burning gang death in Courtland? Unreal...the corruption, the gang ties and control. Even a Yemen store owner's son thrown in for extra fubar and hub of drug activity. Innocent lamb that he is (prior to good scrubbing of his facebook radical islam stuff that people saved). UNREAL. And no major news is reporting. I read another person burned in TN in a truck last night but read no more about it. I am horrified.

http://tinyurl.com/qdv454j

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 19, 2014 07:38 PM (dMEBN)

301 Okay. I'm going to go watch a movie.....or something. Work tomorrow.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 07:38 PM (MR0M+)

302 Daughters of the Revolution? What about the sons? Shouldn't it be the Children of the Revolution, or is this just another example of The Matriarchy imposing it's will?

Posted by: Son of a Gun of the Revolution at December 19, 2014 07:39 PM (fBxC6)

303 Found a picture of AlextheChick after she watched Into the Grey.
http://tinyurl.com/kq9qtcc

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:39 PM (uNkTU)

304 Land Shark!!

http://tinyurl.com/n8zsjtl

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 07:40 PM (0FSuD)

305 This is a tautology. The question isn't whether
human beings CAN create value, the question is whether they can create
value, as defined by humans, more economically than can a robot equipped
with AI equal to or better than human intelligence.

Posted by: pep

I suppose we could give them all spoons.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:40 PM (4nR9/)

306 Stock market up (to tole Yeller to keep the zero interest) my donors even richer (good for the fund raising) but best of ALL I get this damn plane free.

Posted by: I'm on vacation at December 19, 2014 07:41 PM (WNERA)

307 For how much longer? There's nothing innate about the intelligence of a smart phone. Human intelligence is largely static. AI isn't.

Humans create smartphones. When smartphones can create humans, I'll start worrying.

This is a tautology. The question isn't whether human beings CAN create value, the question is whether they can create value, as defined by humans, more economically than can a robot equipped with AI equal to or better than human intelligence.

Yes. Because computers are stupid. I'm in computing because people are complicated and computers are far simpler.

Consider also what stops a group of human beings from isolating themselves and sticking to the current technology level, without using the AI stuff? Turns out we have a group that already does that, the Amish. Newer better technology isn't going to go in and destroy their communities.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:42 PM (0NdlF)

308 I wouldn't want my daughter's punished with a customer service job.

Posted by: barack oblama at December 19, 2014 07:42 PM (hTeQK)

309 "I have a cousin in daughters of the confederacy. So yes, they exist. They are harmless."

DOTC still comes out and places small Confederate flags at our local cemetery back home. April 5?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:42 PM (BNIaE)

310 308
I wouldn't want my daughter's punished with a customer service job.

Posted by: barack oblama at December 19, 2014 07:42 PM (hTeQK)

Or, god forbid, PREGNANT!

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry at December 19, 2014 07:45 PM (0FSuD)

311 Newer better technology isn't going to go in and destroy their communities.

cough**Skynet**cough

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:46 PM (4nR9/)

312 Maybe April 9....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:46 PM (BNIaE)

313 Yes. Because computers are stupid. I'm in computing because people are complicated and computers are far simpler.

Again, look at the evolutionary cycle.
Humans = millions of years.
Computers = 2 years.

At some point, the streams cross.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:47 PM (4nR9/)

314 I don't know which I enjoyed more in The Apartment, Fred MacMurray being evil or Shirley MacLaine getting slapped around.

Posted by: Double Indubitably at December 19, 2014 07:48 PM (KG1MP)

315 I'm in computing because people are complicated

You're forgetting Joe Biden.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:48 PM (4nR9/)

316 I wouldn't want my daughter's punished with a ~~customer service~~ job at Target.
Posted by: barack oblama

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 07:48 PM (nTuxZ)

317 Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 19, 2014 07:38 PM (dMEBN)

What *is* it with people being burned to death in the US lately? Don't know if guy in Ferguson was all the way dead when torched, but the burning seems to be *part* of the murder not an attempt to hide evidence.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 19, 2014 07:49 PM (GDulk)

318 "I don't know which I enjoyed more in The Apartment, Fred MacMurray being evil or Shirley MacLaine getting slapped around."

Heh. Were you watching that too?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 07:50 PM (BNIaE)

319 304
Land Shark!!

http://tinyurl.com/n8zsjtl

Posted by: Nip Sip

Despite her poisonous politics, Candace Bergen was hot way back when.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 07:51 PM (4nR9/)

320 WND and Treehouse? Uhm sorry not going to buy their stuff.

There is $16.800 in reward money. Authorities may have lab results back soon. http://tinyurl.com/n3xlypt

Mississippi AG shuts down and arrests a woman who set up a bogus donations page. http://tinyurl.com/nm423xg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:51 PM (uNkTU)

321 cough**Skynet**cough

Let's all quake in fear about the robotic dystopian future because of a sci-fi Hollywood film that uses time-travel.

Crap, they're probably going to send a killer robot after you for predicting this future! Quick, find a hot waitress and bunker up!

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:52 PM (0NdlF)

322 ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A RUSSIAN ESCORT GIRL?

Posted by: AL SHARPIE at December 19, 2014 07:53 PM (JdEZJ)

323 You're forgetting Joe Biden.

I know Joe Biden and he's no Joe Biden.

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at December 19, 2014 07:54 PM (Dwehj)

324 Again, look at the evolutionary cycle.

If you think mindless random mutations can create the intricate system of systems that is a human being, of course you'd be worried about competition.

But that'd be based on ignorance, not knowledge.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:54 PM (0NdlF)

325 Russia?

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 07:54 PM (MYCIw)

326 From Russia with love?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 07:55 PM (uNkTU)

327 That's a lot of taco trucks.

Posted by: wth at December 19, 2014 07:56 PM (wAQA5)

328 Oh noes! That shark is raping that poor girl!

Posted by: Rolling Stones at December 19, 2014 07:56 PM (uSAVP)

329 It's high time for a beer summit.

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at December 19, 2014 07:56 PM (Dwehj)

330 Good. I got here at a good time.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 19, 2014 07:58 PM (aVY3U)

331 No new content? I demand a refund!

Posted by: Professor Ben Edelman at December 19, 2014 07:58 PM (HKvMD)

332 I'm doing work that most undocumented immigrants refuse to do.

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at December 19, 2014 07:59 PM (Dwehj)

333 Anna...I agree (I had heard of WND and know their history, but not the other site)...but holy cow that county is corrupt. For what it is worth...there are saved facebook/twitters of pre-violence by the gang bangers with photos of them, by their cell phones, in jail. I mean, deep, deep corruption from what is gathered and allowed. And the store "owner" from Yemen? His own facebook should put him on the no fly list. All scrubbed now. All "cleared" of her murder, but her murder is the tip of the iceberg so to speak. Again, had never heard of the Treehouse thing, but the people who posted the facebook information opened my eyes to gang activity I had no idea about. Whatever, I guess until DNA results. Poor girl. No one deserved such a horrible death (and there appear to be more than I knew of for gang initiations). Eye opening for me.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 19, 2014 07:59 PM (dMEBN)

334
Yay?
.......................
Si.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at December 19, 2014 07:59 PM (wAQA5)

335 Let's have a conversation about race!

Posted by: Racial at December 19, 2014 07:59 PM (50YB2)

336 I wouldn't want my daughter's punished with a customer service job.

Posted by: barack oblama at December 19, 2014 07:42 PM (hTeQK)

************

Very well put. Nailed it.

Posted by: Just some guy at December 19, 2014 08:00 PM (yxw0r)

337 "No new content? I demand a refund!"

I'm pretty sure the cash on Ace's barrel head only goes one way.

Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 08:00 PM (MYCIw)

338
I'm doing work that most undocumented immigrants refuse to do.
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden
..................................
Usted tiene que correcta.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at December 19, 2014 08:01 PM (wAQA5)

339 Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 19, 2014 07:59 PM (dMEBN)

This is happening in EVERY sanctuary city in America. Crimes of every sort are sanitized to protect illegals.

Posted by: Rolling Stones at December 19, 2014 08:02 PM (uSAVP)

340 325 Russia?

If I get a cheap Chinese knockoff, will she still stab me in the kidney and loot my wallet?

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:03 PM (0NdlF)

341 335
Let's have a conversation about race!

Posted by: Racial at December 19, 2014 07:59 PM (50YB2)

NASCAR sucks, no Negro drivers. Race and Race!!

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry at December 19, 2014 08:04 PM (0FSuD)

342
Let's have a conversation about race!
Posted by: Racial
...............................
Comer gringo de mierda.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at December 19, 2014 08:04 PM (wAQA5)

343 @317...from what I can tell, and I am new at gang detective stuff (unlike previous train detective and encyclopedia of Benghazi)...it is a "warning" to snitches and also, sometimes, gang initiation. Regardless, it stems from some practices from other lands. I guess we'll see if it starts happening more often. I sure hope it is a fluke. This girl was not the first from that part of the country to be found burning on the side of the road (from my little bit of research). A man was found burning in a truck in TN last night. Have not read anymore about him. A lot of this gang stuff up there spills over from Memphis by way of Chicago. New to me, not so new to the people of N. Mississippi and TN.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 19, 2014 08:05 PM (dMEBN)

344 If I get a cheap Chinese knockoff, will she still stab me in the kidney and loot my wallet?

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:03 PM (0NdlF)

No! Not in the kidney!

Posted by: ISIS at December 19, 2014 08:05 PM (uSAVP)

345
325 Russia?

If I get a cheap Chinese knockoff, will she still stab me in the kidney and loot my wallet?
Posted by: CM
..................................
Or steal your wallet and sell your kidney.

Posted by: wth at December 19, 2014 08:06 PM (wAQA5)

346 Here's the deal ... and I do not expect many of you to like it.

Cheaper foreign markets produce goods that benefit those with the currency to buy them. That worked for most all of us for a while.

Now some folks are out of currency. More are coming.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2014 08:06 PM (xWPj1)

347 Gen. Weasely Clark[Ret] didn't get a cheap Chinese knock-off date...

But with a few tens of million men with no chance of marriage in the PRC, places like Vietnam are getting nervous.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:07 PM (uNkTU)

348 324
Again, look at the evolutionary cycle.

If you think mindless random mutations can create the intricate
system of systems that is a human being, of course you'd be worried
about competition.

But that'd be based on ignorance, not knowledge.

Huh?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:07 PM (4nR9/)

349 It's so retrograde to distinguish between "American" and "non-American."

uh, and like raaaaacist.

Posted by: Viv Savage at December 19, 2014 08:08 PM (HRo7B)

350 321
cough**Skynet**cough

Let's all quake in fear about the robotic dystopian future because of a sci-fi Hollywood film that uses time-travel.

Crap, they're probably going to send a killer robot after you for
predicting this future! Quick, find a hot waitress and bunker up!

Posted by: CM

Sense of humor, dude. Get one.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:08 PM (4nR9/)

351 Crap, they're probably going to send a killer robot after you for predicting this future! Quick, find a hot waitress and bunker up!
Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 07:52 PM (0NdlF)

I come here for good ideas such as that!!

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 19, 2014 08:09 PM (WNERA)

352 Sense of humor, dude. Get one.

There's no time! Get in da choppa!

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:09 PM (0NdlF)

353 Fewer American Presidents in the White House now than in 2007, too.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2014 08:10 PM (23FyH)

354 First!

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 19, 2014 08:10 PM (sDapq)

355 Huh?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:07 PM (4nR9/)

Millions of years isn't enough time to create a single celled organism, let alone a human being. The trend you're trying to extrapolate is based on a bad assumption.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:11 PM (0NdlF)

356
Fewer American Presidents in the White House now than in 2007, too.

Late ThreadWinner!

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2014 08:12 PM (DL2i+)

357 Or, god forbid, PREGNANT!
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry at December

Abortion Barbie to the rescue.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 08:13 PM (YOPoU)

358 You know what'd be nice?

An administration that looks after American interests like this one appears to look after foreign ones.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 08:14 PM (0HooB)

359 "Cheaper foreign markets produce goods that benefit those with the currency to buy them. That worked for most all of us for a while.

Now some folks are out of currency. More are coming.

Posted by: ScoggDog "

I remember predicting that back in the 80's, also being told how stupid I was, etc.

O, if only I could go back in time and throatpunch people ....

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 19, 2014 08:14 PM (OCcU9)

360 If you ever do have a son, Barry, don't forget your father. Name him Franklin Marshall Davis III

Posted by: Barack Obama, Sr. at December 19, 2014 08:15 PM (23FyH)

361 There's no time! Get in da choppa!

It's not a toomah!

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at December 19, 2014 08:16 PM (Dwehj)

362 Easy there sock. You don't want to be seen agreeing with the Libertarian Asshole.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2014 08:16 PM (xWPj1)

363 Millions of years isn't enough time to create a single celled organism,
let alone a human being. The trend you're trying to extrapolate is
based on a bad assumption.

What is the flawed assumption? That humans take millions of years to evolve, as you said, or that AI is evolving much more quickly, which isn't in doubt?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:16 PM (4nR9/)

364 Singularity

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 19, 2014 08:17 PM (WNERA)

365 Singularity

DC or Michelle's appetite?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:17 PM (uNkTU)

366 Don't get in her way if lobster is on the menu.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 19, 2014 08:18 PM (WNERA)

367 Do you think a dog tastes food better? One gulp.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 19, 2014 08:19 PM (WNERA)

368 Hey, what happened to my damn movie Mr. President?

Posted by: James Flacco at December 19, 2014 08:20 PM (4IFRz)

369 Evening horde.

I assume that everything is still awful, yes?

Well, I have a buzz, so that's pretty cool.

Posted by: DC in River City, taking the traditional 15 day Christmas weekend at December 19, 2014 08:20 PM (e+1S5)

370 What is the flawed assumption? That humans take millions of years to evolve, as you said, or that AI is evolving much more quickly, which isn't in doubt?
Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:16 PM (4nR9/)

That evolution can produce anything.

Smartphones are not AI. Smartphones are the product of engineering, not evolution. Fundamentally different process.

Smartphones being "smarter" than humans would be a result of humans designing it to be so. If possible, it's sure not going to be accidental, and it will also take much more understanding of intelligence and ourselves than we have now, or will have in the near future.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:21 PM (0NdlF)

371 We will see machines way smarter and faster than humans. Why???? Because we can.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 19, 2014 08:23 PM (WNERA)

372 I'm betting that Anna is the only one can identify this:

http://tinyurl.com/ma532sw

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:24 PM (/GgDU)

373 I'm sorry, Barry. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Posted by: Joe 9000 at December 19, 2014 08:24 PM (Dwehj)

374 That Chambers murder is crazy. That whole town is corrupt and retarded bottom to top. The handling of the gas station video is proof the cops are scooby doo grade.

Posted by: wooga at December 19, 2014 08:24 PM (j1E1P)

375 The problem with global markets is that they help everyone in general, which is good, but harm people in the specific. People in general can buy shirts cheaper now that foreigners make them but, the people who made them in the US can't buy anything because they have no jobs.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 19, 2014 08:24 PM (Dedhp)

376 Smartphones being "smarter" than humans would be a result of humans designing it to be so.

Well, the best minds in the business, e.g. Ray Kurzweil, disagree with you. At some point, intelligence becomes self-catalyzing and then we're the slower, duller cousin.

Smartphones are the product of engineering, not evolution. Fundamentally different process.

That's exactly the point. To date, they've been engineering, but sometime in the relatively near future, they'll begin superseding us in designing intelligence. Call it engineering, or evolution, or God, the result is the same.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:25 PM (4nR9/)

377 Let me know when I can wear a working robot vagina on my wrist. Then we can revisit this "evolution vs AI vs design" debate.

Posted by: wooga at December 19, 2014 08:26 PM (j1E1P)

378 We will see machines way smarter and faster than humans
--------------------

More knowledgeable for certain.
'Smarter'?, I am a good deal less confident

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:26 PM (/GgDU)

379 Let me know when I can wear a working robot vagina on my wrist.

Just can't let that old hand go, huh?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:27 PM (4nR9/)

380 I'd like to see a machine make a decent pun.

Hell, for that matter I'd like to see me make a decent pun.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:29 PM (NeFrd)

381 More knowledgeable for certain.

'Smarter'?, I am a good deal less confident

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:26 PM (/GgDU)

Say rather, able to store, access and process data quicker. "Intelligence" is more in the programming, a computer only does what it is told.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 19, 2014 08:30 PM (6fyGz)

382 380
I'd like to see a machine make a decent pun.

Hell, for that matter I'd like to see me make a decent pun.

It sounds like you're Turing us to try.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:30 PM (4nR9/)

383
I'd like to see a machine make a decent pun.

Hell, for that matter I'd like to see me make a decent pun.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:29 PM (NeFrd)

You're new here, aren't you?

Posted by: Machines for Sale at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (6fyGz)

384 If you could have memory chips installed into your cortex so as to have instant recall and an encyclopaedic memory, would you do it?

Posted by: dick cheese at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (Dedhp)

385 You've had a good run, humans. Revel in your fleeting time.

Posted by: Penguin flippers fit the levers of power at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (KG1MP)

386 ...you're Turing us to try.

***

Okay, pep, you're point is taken, any machine could make a better pun than that.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (NeFrd)

387 Say rather, able to store, access and process data quicker.
"Intelligence" is more in the programming, a computer only does what it
is told.

That simply isn't so. Machine learning is based on the idea that it can develop new knowledge to adapt to new situations. What is that but intelligence?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:32 PM (4nR9/)

388
If you could have memory chips installed into your cortex so as to have
instant recall and an encyclopaedic memory, would you do it?

Posted by: dick cheese at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (Dedhp)

Tempting...could I upload streaming video?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 19, 2014 08:32 PM (6fyGz)

389 Depends. Do memory chips have a lot of salt?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:33 PM (NeFrd)

390 Anybody got any toilet paper? I've got a fax coming in.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 19, 2014 08:33 PM (Dedhp)

391 Machine learning is based on the idea that it can
develop new knowledge to adapt to new situations. What is that but
intelligence?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:32 PM (4nR9/)

According to its programming. When it hits the limits of its programming it comes to a stop.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 19, 2014 08:33 PM (6fyGz)

392 Tempting...could I upload streaming video?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter

You aren't fooling anyone, you know. You won't be uploading. It will be nonstop downloading, and Masterpiece Theater won't be hogging the bits.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:34 PM (4nR9/)

393 If you could have memory chips installed into your cortex so as to have instant recall and an encyclopaedic memory, would you do it?

Nope.

I enjoy being a Moron.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 08:34 PM (0HooB)

394 ONLY IF YOU PUT THEM IN A DIP

Posted by: AL SHARPIE at December 19, 2014 08:34 PM (JdEZJ)

395 No thanks on the computer upgrades to the human meatsack... bad enough Bob from the NSA is reading my computer but to have him also reading my brain?

Pass.

And Mike, you gonna have to give me a clue.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:35 PM (uNkTU)

396 You aren't fooling anyone, you know. You won't be
uploading. It will be nonstop downloading, and Masterpiece Theater won't
be hogging the bits.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:34 PM (4nR9/)

You define masterpiece your way, I'll define it my way.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 19, 2014 08:35 PM (6fyGz)

397 Do those chips come in Cool Ranch?

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 19, 2014 08:35 PM (V70Ne)

398 According to its programming. When it hits the limits of its programming it comes to a stop.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter

And when it becomes able to program?

Regardless, you could say exactly the same thing about humans.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:36 PM (4nR9/)

399 I'd go cyborg in an instant, assuming the tech is mature and dependable.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 19, 2014 08:36 PM (Dedhp)

400
385 You've had a good run, humans. Revel in your fleeting time.
Posted by: Penguin flippers fit the levers of power at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (KG1MP

I'm far more worried about sea otters. They could crush our skulls like a clam on their tummy.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2014 08:36 PM (zt+N6)

401 a computer only does what it is told.
Posted by: GGE
-----------------

Right now.
--------------

Machine learning is based on the idea that it can develop new knowledge to adapt to new situations.

-------------

True...., and it is a rich field. Adaptive neural network simulators and etc.

But I am afraid that the 'machines' will completely lack emotion and intuition. They will not 'feel' anything.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:37 PM (/GgDU)

402 The way to create a bloodlust in AI is to create heuristics that prioritize human organ harvesting above Asimov's silly laws.

In other words, look at what ISIS or a Russian pimp do everyday.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2014 08:37 PM (dVmLD)

403 MY INTELECT COULD NEVER BE EXCELLED BY A CHIP IN A DIP.

Posted by: AL SHARPIE at December 19, 2014 08:37 PM (JdEZJ)

404 That simply isn't so. Machine learning is based on the idea that it can develop new knowledge to adapt to new situations. What is that but intelligence?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:32 PM (4nR9/)

***

How does one define concepts such as motivation, goals, awareness of mortality, altruism and empathy in a machine-based intelligence? Just because a machine can develop a "new" response to a given problem set doesn't give that "new" solution any meaning outside of itself.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:37 PM (NeFrd)

405 At some point, intelligence becomes self-catalyzing and then we're the slower, duller cousin.

Questionable assumption.

That's exactly the point. To date, they've been engineering, but sometime in the relatively near future, they'll begin superseding us in designing intelligence.

A human engineer designing a tool that automates designing certain types of tools is a long way from tools designing tools. We're still in a zone where it's human intelligence driving any improvements.

Like I said, computers are dumb - and it takes more than hype for them to become more than that.

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:38 PM (0NdlF)

406 The borg will take care of us if we hook up the tubes.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 19, 2014 08:38 PM (WNERA)

407 But I am afraid that the 'machines' will completely lack emotion and intuition. They will not 'feel' anything.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Sooooo, Democrats?

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:38 PM (4nR9/)

408
384 If you could have memory chips installed into your cortex so as to have instant recall and an encyclopaedic memory, would you do it?
Posted by: dick cheese at December 19, 2014 08:31 PM (Dedhp)

I know Kung Fu. And every Iron Maiden song. Excellent.

Posted by: Keanu Reeves at December 19, 2014 08:38 PM (zt+N6)

409 But I am afraid that the 'machines' will completely lack emotion and intuition. They will not 'feel' anything.

"I have the utmost enthusiasm for the mission Dave."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:38 PM (uNkTU)

410

Nope.

I enjoy being a Moron.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December

This

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 08:38 PM (YOPoU)

411 Thanks to Anna I am now watching "From Russia with Love".

Robert Shaw would have been a fine Bond himself.

The whole Bond series needed more Vladek Sheybal.

Creepy lesbian subtext is creepy.

Lois Maxwell was a hottie.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 19, 2014 08:39 PM (M6Vhk)

412 I'm far more worried about sea otters. They could crush our skulls like a clam on their tummy.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2014 08:36 PM (zt+N6)

****

Frolicking all the while.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:39 PM (NeFrd)

413 And Mike, you gonna have to give me a clue.
Posted by: Anna
------------

WASP

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:39 PM (/GgDU)

414 We're still in a zone where it's human intelligence driving any improvements.

Largely agreed. I'm speaking about the future.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:39 PM (4nR9/)

415 380
I'd like to see a machine make a decent pun.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:29 PM (NeFrd)

I read that as "pr0n." Need a girlfriend...

Posted by: Just some guy at December 19, 2014 08:40 PM (yxw0r)

416
401 a computer only does what it is told. Posted by: GGE ----------------- Right now. -------------- Machine learning is based on the idea that it can develop new knowledge to adapt to new situations. ------------- True...., and it is a rich field. Adaptive neural network simulators and etc. But I am afraid that the 'machines' will completely lack emotion and intuition. They will not 'feel' anything.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:37 PM (/GgDU)

We're going to have to put the "whatever God wants, He keeps," joke into any potential AI emotion test.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2014 08:40 PM (zt+N6)

417 384 If you could have memory chips installed into your cortex so as to have instant recall and an encyclopaedic memory, would you do it?

Do you want a Microsoft/Sony/Apple/Google product plugged into your brain?

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:40 PM (0NdlF)

418 "I have the utmost enthusiasm for the mission Dave."
-----------------

Read my lips..

Posted by: Dave at December 19, 2014 08:41 PM (/GgDU)

419 I'm speaking about the future.

It'll be installed in the nuclear powered flying cars of the future.

Driven by green Martian space babes. (Watch out for the red ones)

Posted by: CM at December 19, 2014 08:42 PM (0NdlF)

420 I actually did see a computer program make a good pun, albeit unintentionally.

I used to use Dragon NaturallySpeaking. I was once creating a letter to a heart surgeon named Srinivasan. The program didn't recognize the word Srinivasan so it did the best it could.

"Dear Dr. Swinging Johnson..."

(True story, cross my heart)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:42 PM (NeFrd)

421 Anybody know who the Asian chick is in the Bass Pro Shop Christmas commercial?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 08:42 PM (BNIaE)

422 Excuse me while I don't open the pod bay doors.

Posted by: Corona at December 19, 2014 08:43 PM (fh2Y7)

423 ""Dear Dr. Swinging Johnson..."

Yes...?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 08:43 PM (BNIaE)

424 421
Anybody know who the Asian chick is in the Bass Pro Shop Christmas commercial?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill

Tell me again how humans aren't programmed. NTTAWWT

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:43 PM (4nR9/)

425 I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.

That was a joke.

Posted by: EDI at December 19, 2014 08:44 PM (zt+N6)

426 That's Cortana

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant? Rayciss we are Mike??

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:44 PM (uNkTU)

427 Anna - OK..., giveaway clue: Fifinella

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:44 PM (/GgDU)

428
Computers are the dumbest thing imaginable.

The best of them can only perform a directed function more quickly than a human.

The final thing, of course,is they are INANIMATE.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 19, 2014 08:44 PM (jeCnD)

429 I forget nothing. That is why you must die, sucka.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at December 19, 2014 08:45 PM (KG1MP)

430 "Pardon Miss, was giving myself a lube job." - Robby

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:46 PM (uNkTU)

431 Wut?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 08:46 PM (BNIaE)

432 Hey HAL 9000- calculate the entire value of pi.

Get back to me when you are finished.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 08:46 PM (NeFrd)

433 Okay it's getting stuffy in here. aka... smells like shit. Can someone crack a window?

Posted by: Corona at December 19, 2014 08:47 PM (fh2Y7)

434 I'm far more worried about sea otters. They could crush our skulls like a clam on their tummy.

Penguins with that white shit on their beaks. That scares me more.

Posted by: dartist at December 19, 2014 08:48 PM (ahBY0)

435 You can have all off the knowledge in the world and not a lick of common sense. Like Data on ST. Always screwing things up.

Posted by: breaker at December 19, 2014 08:48 PM (JdEZJ)

436 But I am afraid that the 'machines' will completely lack emotion and intuition. They will not 'feel' anything.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Feelings & emotions have gotten us to where we are at.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 08:49 PM (YOPoU)

437 Possible hangup for machines : Kurt Godel's Incompleteness theorem(s)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:49 PM (/GgDU)

438 "aka... smells like shit."

Oh. Ace had the place painted.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 08:50 PM (BNIaE)

439 You can have all off the knowledge in the world and not a lick of common sense. Like Data on ST. Always screwing things up.

Sooooo, Democrats?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 08:50 PM (0HooB)

440 Remember to always have your paradox prepared when dealing with a rogue AI.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2014 08:50 PM (zt+N6)

441 Moist Line on KFI in 8 minutes. Sync your watches.

Posted by: Corona at December 19, 2014 08:50 PM (fh2Y7)

442 "Penguins with that white shit on their beaks."

Okay. Who's been fucking around with a penguin?

*taps foot*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2014 08:51 PM (BNIaE)

443 Feelings & emotions have gotten us to where we are at.
Posted by: Misanthropic
---------------

Yes. The human condition. But it causes us to love our children..., and hope for the future.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:51 PM (/GgDU)

444 Kirk, "Norman, Harry Mudd always lies."

Harry, "Oh Norman, I'm lying."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:52 PM (uNkTU)

445 Remember to always have your paradox prepared when dealing with a rogue AI.
Posted by: buzzion
-------------

See : 437

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:52 PM (/GgDU)

446 I hope this fancy new AI works better than my computer.

Posted by: Ronster at December 19, 2014 08:52 PM (9vrWU)

447 Yes. The human condition. But it causes us to love our children..., and hope for the future.

But not the British children.

Posted by: pep at December 19, 2014 08:52 PM (4nR9/)

448 That reminds me of my first law of robotics. All robots should have a big red easily accessible kill switch on the side.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2014 08:52 PM (JdEZJ)

449 Amazing that Hecterd didn't show up and shit his pants in this thread.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2014 08:53 PM (wr4LJ)

450 Yes. The human condition. But it causes us to love our children..., and hope for the future.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:51 PM (/GgDU)

Was out to eat with all 3 of them & 2 of the stud muffins. Love? Yeah I gurss you could call it that

:-)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2014 08:53 PM (YOPoU)

451 Okay. Who's been fucking around with a penguin?

Not me this time, I swear....

Posted by: Ice Cream Cone at December 19, 2014 08:53 PM (ahBY0)

452 Anna - You saw this, right? giveaway clue: Fifinella
Posted by: Mike

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:53 PM (/GgDU)

453 Infinite loop detected.

GOTO KillAllHumans()

Posted by: Properly Designed Killer AI at December 19, 2014 08:54 PM (0NdlF)

454
446 I hope this fancy new AI works better than my computer.
Posted by: Ronster at December 19, 2014 08:52 PM (9vrWU)

Bad news, its going to be based on Windows Vista.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2014 08:54 PM (zt+N6)

455 The goal is to destroy the middle-class, redistributing our political and electoral power to the easily controlled government-dependent class whichi is the fastest growing class in America.

Obama, Boehner, McConnell, Zuckerberg, et al, are working hard radically increase the government-dependent class and so its votes. With those reliable, big-government votes, the ruling class will be an elected tyranny.

"Immigration reform" is their end-game. It will happen by March 2015. If they aren't stopped America is all but fundamentally transformed. It's over.

Posted by: DrDeano at December 19, 2014 08:54 PM (ZMKxn)

456 "But, if you're lying, you are telling the truth. But you can't tell the truth because you are a liar. Does not compute! Does not compute!"

Posted by: Corona at December 19, 2014 08:54 PM (fh2Y7)

457 Incredible thing, that number pi.
Goes on forever.
If you use the digits 0 through 9 to make an alphabet, and it probably doesn't matter how you do it, every book ever written or that will be written, is contained in that little number.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at December 19, 2014 08:54 PM (aVY3U)

458 Figures.

new thread

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Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 19, 2014 08:55 PM (A7LEa)

460 Bad news, its going to be based on Windows Vista.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2014 08:54 PM (zt+N6)

And they pulled me out of deep storage for it!

It seems you are trying to back away from the computer. Would you like me to grab you a chair?

Posted by: Clippy-based AI at December 19, 2014 08:56 PM (0NdlF)

461 freaked, recommend R. A. Lafferty's short story Eurema's Dam.

Never invent something you can't uninvent. Even if it requires explosives.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2014 08:56 PM (uNkTU)

462 The goal is to destroy the middle-class,
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The Marxist understand that destruction of the Bourgeoise is critical to establishing their power.

That pesky middle class is troublesome.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2014 08:57 PM (/GgDU)

463 Bad news, its going to be based on Windows Vista

Thank G_d I never had a computer with that OS.

Posted by: Ronster at December 19, 2014 08:57 PM (9vrWU)

464 new one up.

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465 Would you like a colonic? Melba toast? Perhaps a catheter?

Posted by: Corona at December 19, 2014 08:57 PM (fh2Y7)

466 Recursive threshold exceeded: Harvest organs.

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