aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com
CBD:
cbd.aoshq at gee mail.com
Buck:
buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com
joe mannix:
mannix2024 at proton.me
MisHum:
petmorons at gee mail.com
J.J. Sefton:
sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com
Weird: Five Days After Alleged Rape, Jackie Seems to Have Sent a Romantic Email to Ryan
This is complicated, but the email sent on Oct 3, 2012 was sent by Jackie's Mystery Date, who had the unlikely name of "Haven Monaghan." "Haven" (ahem) was supposedly forwarding an email of Jackie's to Ryan, an email in which she gushed about him.
Haven -- who had supposedly participated in a seven-man gang rape -- appears to be trying to act as a matchmaker here, letting Ryan know how very much Jackie likes him. Now "Haven Monaghan" is very unlikely to actually exist. There is no student at UVA with that name. Nor, I would bet, in the physical world. Haven seems to be a Catfish account of Jackie's where she pretends to be this hot guy who's totally into Jackie (but who wants Ryan to know that Jackie's totally into him). The really terrible thing is the date the email was sent -- October 3, 2012. This would be five days after the gang rape allegedly occurred. Five days after a terrible gang-rape, and Jackie is screwing around with fake Magic Boyfriends to get another boy interested in here? It does not seem psychologically plausible that a woman coming off a brutal, forcible gang rape would turn to silly romantic deceptions to land her man. I would think that she would have no amorous feelings for at least a few weeks (if not a few months; if not a few years). It actually gets weirder -- and maybe even worse for Jackie. Because the gushing email she wrote about Ryan turns out to have been cribbed nearly word for word from an effusive proclamation of love ripped off from Dawson's Creek. Here's Jackie talking about Ryan (which "Haven" then forwards to Ryan, to let him know how much Jackie likes him):Ryan is fine. Ryan's great, actually. I mean he's smart. He's attractive. He’s funny. He’s a scaredy cat. If you creep up behind him, he'll jump right out of his skin. It's pretty amusing. He's honest. He always calls them just like he sees them. You can constantly count on getting the truth from Ryan, even if the truth hurts. He has the most incredible taste in music. He's like this walking, talking music library. And he understands how truly important music is. He's stubborn. He has this regimented way about him that can be so frustrating sometimes. And sometimes the things he says hurt. But he’s a really, really good friend. And loyal to a fault. He's realistic about everything. And I'm a dreamer so I mean, it’s good to have somebody like that in my life. He's one of my best friends here, you know? He’s more than that...he's everything.
And here's James van der Biek on Dawson's Creek, talking about Katie Holmes:
She's great. I mean, she's smart, she's beautiful, she's funny, she's a big ol' scaredy cat. If you creep up from behind her she’ll jump out of her skin. It's pretty amusing. She's honest. She always calls them just like she sees them. You can always count on getting the truth from Joey even if the truth hurts. She’s stubborn. We fight a lot. She can be so frustrating sometimes. But she's a really, really, good friend. I know her to a fault. She believes in me. And I'm a dreamer so it's so good to have somebody like that in my life. If she goes away, I don't know what I'm going to do. I mean, she's my best friend, you know? She’s more than that. She’s everything.Sally Kohn immediately called James van der Biek a rapist.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Kudzu King at December 19, 2014 12:52 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 12:53 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: KJI at December 19, 2014 12:53 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 12:54 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Blame Whom at December 19, 2014 12:55 PM (7wyDO)
Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2014 12:55 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: ld at December 19, 2014 12:55 PM (7hgHe)
Fabrication. This woman needs a shrink, not a policeman
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 12:55 PM (UH0DS)
Posted by: KJI at December 19, 2014 12:56 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 12:56 PM (/Mxso)
The literary sources of Haven Monahan's glitch in the matrix email: "Dawson's Creek," +3
www.unz.com/isteve/the-literary-sources-of-haven-monahans-glitch-in-the-matrix-email/
#IBelieveInHavenMonahan
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 12:56 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Will Folks at December 19, 2014 12:56 PM (hKyl0)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (Q9xIX)
Posted by: Bill Cosby at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (2Ojst)
Chuck Ross @ChuckRossDC 14h
Jackie also plagiarized "Scrubs" and Jodi Picoult in her love letter to UVA love interest.
http://t.co/9XhTmJP1UY
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (ZPrif)
The mental illness is very serious. Savage and Levin didn't go far enough. Liberalism is insanity.
But, we knew that.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizarro World at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (UtwNa)
Posted by: Cranky J Anne at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (eN+v3)
the reality is this coffin has about 800 nails in it by now.
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 12:55 PM (UH0DS)
I think we call that an Iron Maiden.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (/Mxso)
None of the websites that generally love plagiarism stories have picked up Jackie's Dawson's Creek/Scrubs/Jodi Picoult plagiarized letter.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 12:55 PM (UH0DS)
NO, this woman needs to have the shit sued out of her...
She has done damage to many people... and there must be consequence, or others will CONTINUE to play the same game....
Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (f0pWu)
It's driving me batty because I am nearly positive that one of my crap YA novels has a main character named Haven, not to be confused with the crap YA novel Haven itself, and I can't remember which one.
You know, Jackie has the excuse of being batshit crazy. What's Erdley's excuse? And Emily Renda's? And the dear president of UVA?
That Erdley chose Randall as Ryan's pseudonym when that is Stephen Glass's middle name is in the realm of you can't make this up.
Why is fiction better than reality? Because fiction has to make sense.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (Q9xIX)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (Q9xIX)
I was thinking male lead character from a bodice ripper. An Irish... Duke... or whatever they had.
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (UH0DS)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (2Ojst)
Every time I read that name I laugh, thinking of a friend who long ago yelled "Cravin' shaven haven!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (oKE6c)
Seems to me the national organizations ought to be filing a suit against UVA any day.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (5yHi1)
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (/Mxso)
EXCELLENT!
Posted by: Bill S. Preston, Esquire and Ted "Theodore" Logan at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: ld at December 19, 2014 12:58 PM (7hgHe)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (8ZskC)
I think we call that an Iron Maiden.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (/Mxso)
Iron Maiden? EXCELLENT!!!
*guitar riff*
Posted by: Bill and Ted at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (2Ojst)
Reminds me of a disturbing French film called "He loves Me, He Loves Me Not." Audrey Tatou is the opposite of Amelie in it...
Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (Q9xIX)
the email was sent by Jackie's Mystery Date Haven Monaghan. Haven was supposedly forwarding an email of Jackie's to Ryan, an email in which she gushed about him. Haven who had supposedly participated in a seven-man gang rape -- appears to be trying to act as a matchmaker here, letting Ryan know how very much Jackie likes him.
I think there was an episode of "Saved by The Bell" with the exact same plot.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (kdS6q)
I wonder if that young man who rejected her advances realizes just how lucky - and smart - he was to do so?
So why is it everytime the Left tries to find their symbolic person to represent all of theinjustices a group suffers, they pick the person who turns out to be a first class liar or a complete criminal thug? You would think just random chance would get them a win every now and again.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ryan's Rabbits at December 19, 2014 01:00 PM (sDapq)
Timelines 'n' shit get a little fuzzy, you know?
Posted by: Sharkman at December 19, 2014 01:00 PM (rXB/r)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 01:00 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (Q9xIX)
Bet there is a Romance Novel hero out there with that name...
Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at December 19, 2014 01:00 PM (f0pWu)
I think there was an episode of "Saved by The Bell" with the exact same plot.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (kdS6q)
It was the floor of the boys' locker room instead of on broken glass. Honestly, I'm not sure which would be worse...
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:00 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Doris Kearns Goodwin at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (8ZskC)
This Jackie has got BIG issues.
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (MMC8r)
Kinda lazy for an obsessive crazy girl. The obsessive crazy girls I knew could easily bang out 10 pages of melodramatic, boy-crazy copy.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Holden Caufield at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (sDapq)
The REST of the email (the non-Dawson's Creek part) w as ALSO cribbed from various sources, word-for-word, verbatim:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-literary-sources-of-haven-monahans-glitch-in-the-matrix-email/
Read the whole thing.
The entire email was copied from various sites around the Web.
This is actually standard student behavior these days -- a huge percentage of "essays" turned in by students are plagiarized, in part or in full, from sources on the Web. Profs spend countless hours trying to weed them out. So Jackie's doing what all lazy college students do these days -- cribbing something she needed to write.)
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (K4YiS)
symbolic person to represent all of theinjustices a group suffers, they
pick the person who turns out to be a first class liar or a complete
criminal thug? You would think just random chance would get them a win
every now and again.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 12:59 PM (hLRSq)
Are you kidding? What are the odds of finding someone who is NOT a first class liar or a complete
criminal thug among their numbers?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (Q9xIX)
It sounds like the name of a cheap romance novel hero. Has anyone checked with Harlequin and see if she lifted the name out of one of their bodice-rippers?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (hLRSq)
Then he must have something very special in his jeans. Anyone know where he lives?
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 19, 2014 01:02 PM (Q9xIX)
Nothing to see here, it's just an honest mistake...
Posted by: Fareed Zakaria at December 19, 2014 01:02 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2014 01:02 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 19, 2014 01:02 PM (wmyHK)
I was thinking Manti T'eo's GF.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 01:02 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (ZPrif)
Kids these days. Even their crazy is substandard
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 01:02 PM (UH0DS)
Posted by: Greta Van Facelift at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: Cranky J Anne at December 19, 2014 12:57 PM (eN+v3)
Oh that's already been being batted about. Revictimization!
Blah blah blah Ryan get rich off seminars blah blah blah
I do hope Jackie gets the help she needs while she's being sued to hell and gone.
Hmmm. I wonder if the Three Musketeers are going to form an LLC with the frat to run Rolling Stone or if they are just going to auction everything off and divvy up the proceeds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (mf5HN)
I'm almost starting to pity this girl. She made a play for attention from a boy, which then got her attention from the PIV set, and then national attention, all based on a lie. Attention is addictive and she's been mainlining.
The problem with riding the tiger comes when you want to get off.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Julia at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Sabrina Rudin Erdely at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (Mxs5H)
the 'g' in Monaghan is silent, though. Otherwise, I think we have a match
Posted by: dim-witted person trying to sound clever at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (8CdUx)
There seems to be no bottom to the Well of Crazy that is Jackie.
=============
Here's the thing: Any one who has ever talked to someone who makes up crazy shit like Jackie does knows within about ten minute "This is a fucking loon. Crazier than a shithouse rat."
And the author claims to have had extensive conversations with her.
I'll bet just reading the transcripts and her notes would set off more bells than Big Ben on Christmas.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (5yHi1)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (zOTsN)
Apparently "Scream 4" -- coincidentally (???) scripted by the same person who scripted Dawson's Creek -- has a female character who FAKES BEING PUSHING BACKWARD AND FALLING THROUGH A GLASS TABLE -- in order to gain sympathy!
I read this claim somewhere about half an hour ago but haven't verified it myself, but if so -- totally jaw-dropping! The ENTIRE TALE -- not just the email -- could have been plagiarized.
I will look into the Scream 4 thing now.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (MR0M+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (2cS/G)
That's why I think she must have found them all at some sentimental website that collects romantic passages from all media.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Dean Theresa Sullivan at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Dash laRue at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (CAJL/)
Posted by: Louis Winthorpe III at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (8ZskC)
Scrubs was more angsty than sappy.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (2Ojst)
Stanford Oliver Cantor-Koch
Posted by: Stanford Oliver Cantor-Koch at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (Dj0WE)
play for attention from a boy, which then got her attention from the PIV
set, and then national attention, all based on a lie. Attention is
addictive and she's been mainlining.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (rwI+c)
I would too, if the offense weren't so serious.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (dVmLD)
Heaven, however, is in your mind -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBr96Nx3wgU
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: riding the tiger, chasing the dragon at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Havana Monaghan, Irish-Cuban Lothario at December 19, 2014 01:06 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Louis Winthorpe III
my thought exactly.
Posted by: Fabio at December 19, 2014 01:07 PM (Spluw)
-
I think Lucy did that once to keep Desi into her.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2014 01:07 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Erowmero at December 19, 2014 01:07 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 19, 2014 01:07 PM (+lsX1)
the 'g' in Monaghan is silent, though. Otherwise, I think we have a match
The linked DC article doesn't have a 'g' in it. Ace misspelled it (by their spelling).
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:07 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: pookysgirl at December 19, 2014 01:08 PM (bRPUY)
Posted by: Peter Magnum at December 19, 2014 01:08 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:08 PM (zOTsN)
I wonder what names Jackie rejected before settling on Haven Monaghan?
Raven Lionsclaw? MacIntosh Bourgoyne IV? Achilles Windsor-Arnhem?
========
Max Power
Carlos Danger
Rusty Shackelford
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 19, 2014 01:08 PM (5yHi1)
Raymond Luxury-Yacht, but it's pronounced Throat-Warbler Mangrove.
Posted by: Top.Man. at December 19, 2014 01:08 PM (LuUKj)
""Where ye t'ink yer goan, lassie?" he growled. "Ah no gave ye p'mission tae leave ma hoose. Th' dishes are nae done, an' ye havnae swept th' floor. Ah warrn'd ye; naow ye'll be catchin' a spankin'."
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 01:08 PM (UH0DS)
My co-worker who got a subscription to Rolling Stone for Christmas.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (ViF0c)
Posted by: Ram Maidensplitter at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (8ZskC)
I bet this Jackie is up for ATM.
Posted by: wooga at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (w32Yh)
Posted by: riding the tiger, chasing the dragon at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Charles Manson at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (hLRSq)
Seriously, it's driving me batty(er). I know there has to be one of my crap YA novels that has a male protagonist named Haven.
Hmm. Now I kinda want to write something with an Irish vampire named Haven Monaghan. ThunderB, I'll totes give you credit.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
-
I don't know. some of the stuff between Turk and J.D. was pretty hot.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Avii at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (J+qDK)
Posted by: Biggus Dickus at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (MMC8r)
I don't think she is. I think she told a lie and it got out of hand. The best thing she could have done would have been to transfer to another school and change her name.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (UH0DS)
Haven = Nevah
As in, "Nevah happened".
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (YWEKY)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (oKE6c)
Thanks, Ace, for moving me out to a farther planet than I thought I was living on.
I think I'm in another galaxy now. I do not know this species you speak of.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Singing Christmas Songs & Wrapping Gifts. at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MWMcBrayer at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (8VD7P)
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (MYCIw)
"Haven Monaghan" needs to print up business cards that identify him as a "gentleman rapist and matchmaker extraordinaire."
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Studied under Tobias Funke to become the world's second Analrapist.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (5yHi1)
The ridiculous name should have been a dead giveaway.
Posted by: Louis Winthorpe III
I know, right? Subtle and understated, that's the ticket.
Posted by: Dash Riprock at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (YXmuI)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: James van der Beek at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Dirk Tungsten at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (+lsX1)
Achilles Windsor-Arnhem would indicate a ugly-lesbian-feminist, therefore definitely not Achilles Windsor-Arnhem.
Posted by: Quasimodo at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (Moh0M)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (YWEKY)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (MMC8r)
This also was ridiculous. Why would the new boyfriend forward an email from the girl to the old "boyfriend" who'd already punted on her? WTF? On what planet does that make any sense?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Joran Van Der Sloot at December 19, 2014 01:12 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 01:12 PM (MR0M+)
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
Being Irish the sun would cause his skin to burst into flames. And then he became an Irish vampire and that stopped. So it was all good.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:12 PM (hLRSq)
http://www.unz.com/isteve/crashing-through-a-low-glass-table-done-right/
Jill Roberts: My friends? What world are you living in? I don't need friends. I need fans. Don't you get it? This has never been about killing you? It's about becoming you. I mean, for fuck's sake, my own mother had to die, no great loss there, so I could stay true to the original. That's sick, right? Well, sick is the new sane. You had your 15 minutes, now I want mine! I mean, what am I supposed to do? Go to college? Grad school? Work? Look around. We all live in public now, we're all on the Internet. How do you think people become famous any more? You don't have to achieve anything. You just gotta have fucked up-shit happen to you.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:12 PM (ZPrif)
Five days after a terrible gang-rape, and Jackie is screwing around with fake Magic Boyfriends to get another boy interested in her?
Has flowers delivered to herself at office.
"Flowers, for me? I wonder who they could be from?"
*reads card*
"Thks for a wonderfully rape. Haven."
"Why, that impetuous lad! This is all so sudden, I feel I must to swoon!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2014 01:12 PM (kdS6q)
And the lies piled on. Add opportunistic SOBs, the MFM, feminists and the New (and improved!) Black Panthers, and the shitfest ran rampant for well over a year.
This seems to have snowballed as well, and no one seems to have learned anything. Thank God this thing fell apart fast.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 19, 2014 01:12 PM (Spluw)
Seconded. Has any guy, ever, written to his date's male BFFs to talk about how awesome she is?
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 01:13 PM (UH0DS)
I will look into the Scream 4 thing now.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:04 PM (K4YiS)
Yep. Just watched it.
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:13 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Heywood Jablome at December 19, 2014 01:13 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:13 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Haven O'Malley at December 19, 2014 01:13 PM (Nemct)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYjGFCe3aA
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Mikey NTH
Blow me.
Posted by: Paddy O Furniture at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (YWEKY)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2014 01:05 PM (2cS/G)
Townsworthy Buckingham
Fredrick Von Raptortamer III
Prince Mocumba Ooolala, Son of the Moon, Keeper of the Lions
Leopold Stravinsky-Hashimoto
Posted by: naturalfake at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (0cMkb)
***shoves Blondies through USB port***
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: The Lifetime Network at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (MMC8r)
You can't handle the truth!!
Ryan, we live in a world that has rape, and those rapes have to be prevented by women with vaginas. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Kathryn Hedley? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.
You weep for victims of bogus sexual assault claims, and you curse the Social Justice Warriors. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That bogus accusations of campus rape, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me to make these fake accusations, you need me to make these fake accusations. We use words like gang-rape, assault, PIV. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a flyer, and stand a post.
Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (5UYtO)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (YWEKY)
He may have quit football, but I don't think he went to UVA.
http://tinyurl.com/nhkqkdf
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (8hctH)
got out of hand. The best thing she could have done would have been to
transfer to another school and change her name.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:10 PM (rwI+c)
I'm doubtful that it was just a lie that got out of hand. I mean, it was a lie that got out of hand, but the severity of the lie is not something a mentally sound person dishes out.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Rolling Stone at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (qyomX)
I'm beginning to think that she is a person who completely occupies an alternate universe inside her own head, that has exactly ZERO connection to the real world. A head full of every movie and TV series and glamor magazine article that she's ever seen or read. Her brain uses these things to weave these odd tales to keep her occupied so she doesn't just drop into a Persistent Vegetative State.
See, also: "Female College Freshman"
Posted by: Sharkman at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (rXB/r)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: Clint Diggler at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (dVmLD)
Scotty Scott of Scottsdale Scotland.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (NaV4z)
She thought that having some other guy showing her attention would make her seem more desirable to the guy she wanted. That's fairly reasonable, except that the 1st guy wasn't just ambivalent about Jackie, but rather, it seems, pretty repulsed by her.
So she dug deeper. Rape! Rape would make Ryan rush in to save her from the horrible attack and then he would fall in love with her!
Only that didn't work either. Ryan just didn't seem to understand how much he and Jackie were meant for each other! Maybe leaked love note would do the trick!
Oh, that didn't work either? Well fuck you, men. You're all rapists! I'm becoming a feminist crusader!
You all wondered how that anti PIV woman came into being? This. This is how.
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (OiH3z)
Belinda Carlisle was smokin' back in the day.
Posted by: Insomniac
Jane Wiedlin >> Belinda Carlisle
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (kdS6q)
Uh oh. Does Jackie happen to own a Trapper Keeper, by any chance?
Posted by: Splunge at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (qyomX)
At what point of the escalation could she have bailed out? I think she thought she could ride it out.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Holden McGroin at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (sDapq)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYjGFCe3aA
--
Right, and the character says, before throwing herself through the table:
"You had your 15 minutes, now I want mine! I mean, what am I supposed to do? Go to college? Grad school? Work? Look around. We all live in public now, we're all on the Internet. How do you think people become famous any more? You don't have to achieve anything. You just gotta have fucked up-shit happen to you."
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Paddy O Furniture at December 19, 2014 01:14 PM (Spluw)
*shakes head* Fresh out of C4. Better luck next time.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Haywood Jablome at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
Is it just me..... but... everytime Ace throws out a Jackie thread.... my minds eye pictures Jackie from "That Seventies Show"..
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Mudchute Passage at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (XzRw1)
My advice column:
Run Ryan, don't look back.
As for Jackie, men like boobs and sex, no reason to get all make up story about frat house gang rape to attract one. and have it published nationally. and fake email messages plagiarized from a 90's tv show.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (NtzGn)
You don't know my sweet funny victim Jackie. If you knew her, you'd totally have the hots for her, as I did.
Posted by: Lexington Ramrod at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (MR0M+)
Even when masquerading as other people to fool their friends about their earlier stories of rape.
Which they totes wouldn't lie about.
Posted by: Sally Kohn at December 19, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2014 01:18 PM (acD6r)
is their any connection between the script writer for Dawsons Creek and Scream to either Jackie or Erdley
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:18 PM (zOTsN)
It is the exact same thing we do to our base ... and they fall for it every time.
The strumpet's problem was that the readership isn't as stupid as the tea partiers who are shamed into voting for us every election because we claim to be the lesser of two evils.
They even when they know that we will do that nasty thing in their mouth the day after the election
Cheers
You BFFs
Johnnie Mitchie
Posted by: GOPe at December 19, 2014 01:18 PM (i4eXO)
Jane Wiedlin >> Belinda Carlisle
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (kdS6q)
Gonna have to agree to disagree with you there.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:18 PM (2Ojst)
I think of Jackie Mackie Paisley. Another High Quality Woman.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2014 01:18 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:18 PM (2Ojst)
I'm almost starting to pity this girl. She made a play for
attention from a boy, which then got her attention from the PIV set, and
then national attention, all based on a lie. Attention is addictive
and she's been mainlining.
The problem with riding the tiger comes when you want to get off.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:03 PM (rwI+c)"
I am more inclined to pity the women who are really raped over the next year or so because nobody is going to believe them without video proof and three witnesses.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (PD6iL)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Kraken at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (5+mPY)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (wVBo0)
Yes in scream 4 the killer, a tiny girl who is cousin if Sidney, the heroine, throws herself through glass to get injuries to show cops so she can be the Hero Survivor after she kills everyone else
I prefer Scream 3 which has great lines like Sidney telling her bastard half brother killer who us whininh his way through his diatribe of motive --you know why you kill people? Bc you want to there is no other reason!
Posted by: ginaswo at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (2EgyQ)
http://youtu.be/U0qdaTTS53M
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Phillip McCrotch at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (5yHi1)
Posted by: Wendy at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (bpemY)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (NtzGn)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (rwI+c)
Anytime before she got to the "raped by 7 guys on broken glass" part where she fingered (no pun intended) an actual school fraternity and then sold her story to a reporter to have it published in a national magazine.
Somewhere before that part.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: ginaswo singing Maiden in the hotel room at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (2EgyQ)
They were also a little more politically sophisticated than the general
population, having been recruited from intro-level political science
courses.
HAhahahahahahahahaha. If they were politically sophisticated, they wouldn't need a political science
course.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2014 01:16 PM (kdS6q)
Gina Schock >> Jane Wiedlin >> Belinda Carlisle.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 19, 2014 01:21 PM (rXB/r)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:21 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 19, 2014 01:21 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:21 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Dash Riprock at December 19, 2014 01:11 PM (YXmuI)
I know what y'all mean.
Posted by: Bobby "Butt" Mussells at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (o+SC1)
She tried a crazy stunt to get a boy. It didn't work. But it did get her into the campus rape activism groups, who have her lots of positive feedback.
The 3 freshman friends involved in the initial story had drifted away from her -- this was first semester, they'd known each other a few week it seems.
Jackie's fakes only seem super elaborate in retrospect. It's more how easy it was to do. Go to a website that lets you fake texts from fake phone #s. Go to another site with romantic passages, copy and paste a couple, change a couple words. Whole thing takes 15 minutes, no need for elaborate planning.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Haven Orgasm at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (Dw98+)
Posted by: Heralder
It's a Helluva drug. And I have extensive experience on this.
Posted by: Crytal Magnum, guest of the State of NC at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (Spluw)
It worked with the PIV chicks without repercussions, it just failed at the RS stage. I'm not defending her in any way other than noting that you don't have to be mentally ill to tell a lie for attention, and to stick with it as long as it works for you.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (0FSuD)
Death Runs in the Family (The Alvarez Family Murder Mysteries Book 3)
by
Heather Haven (Author), Jeff Monaghan (Illustrator)
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (fWAjv)
It's like the University of Brigadoon.
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Secundus
Gristle McThornbody was unavailable for questioning.
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (caUSi)
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (27BfC)
They also never get into regular fistfights with their husband/boyfriends, and then only claim domestic violence when they lose.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (Dj0WE)
The most shocking thing about all of this is to find out that Katie Holmes is NOT a walking talking music library.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (NtzGn)
Yeah, met her (Ms. C) once. Damn fine looking.
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (/eTPT)
And there is the crazy part. No one remotely anchored in this world would start that story, let alone continue with it. And yet the unbalanced are out there. In Michigan we had a young woman claim she had been kidnapped for some reason. Funny thing is, it didn't turn out like an episode of I Love Lucy and she was actually charged for the crime.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB
Hmmmm....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Williamson_(screenwriter)
"Kevin Meade Williamson (born March 14, 1965) is an American screenwriter, filmmaker, and actor, best known as the creator of the TV series Dawson's Creek (1998–2003), The Vampire Diaries (2009–present), and The Following (2013–present). He is also widely known for developing and writing the screenplay for the slasher film Scream, as well as the sequels Scream 2 and Scream 4....
...He told Entertainment Weekly interviewer Melissa Maerz, "When I was growing up, my mom and dad took me to the Poe museum in Richmond, Virginia...."
That's all I got.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: SarahW at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (Lbv/k)
Police are interviewing Blast Hardcheese and Blake Squatthrust
Mike Hunt was unavailable.
*
*
Leave us not forget Ben Dover and Heywood Jablome.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (8rl/J)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (h/iTr)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (h/iTr)
I gazed across the Cliffs of Moher, my eyes drawn helplessly to the sea, the terrible, turbulent, tumultuous sea that had stolen from my very grasp my father and mother and my precious sister a mere fortnight ago. It was nearly too much to bear, the weight of their loss, the great, grasping hole in my very being that was heretofore filled with their love.
I clutched tightly to the letter that had come in response to my desperate ad seeking a position. Alas, though I was loathe to do so, I was forced to take a position as a tutor. My father, though a dear, kind soul, was not blessed with an abundance of business sense and thus I was left in penury. Want that I should be forced to the streets, I would far rather dash myself upon the rocks before coming to such a fate.
Thus, I was left here, drawing my courage about me like a cloak as I made my way from the place where the carriage had left me.
"No one goes up the manor proper," the carriageman said when he left me here. "His Lordship forbids it." He gazed upon me, pity in his eye, then squeezed my wrist. "God bless you, child."
I lifted my chin high as I came to the gate. There before me, in all its dark glory, lay Monaghan Manor and inside it Lord Haven Monaghan. I steeled myself and then strode forward, determined to do my best for the niece and nephew left in his care, the fearsome reputation of their uncle of no regard.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Kraken at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (5+mPY)
it just failed at the RS stage. I'm not defending her in any way other
than noting that you don't have to be mentally ill to tell a lie for
attention, and to stick with it as long as it works for you.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (rwI+c)
No, I know you're not defending her, and I see your point. I think it's just hard for me to imagine such a preposterous and potentially damaging lie being spun by a healthy mind.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (NtzGn)
Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (XUKZU)
and character: They were more likely to believe Republicans would do a
better job than Democrats at managing the economy, and they reported
more "warm" feelings toward George W. Bush. "Not everyone comprehends
the nature of Colbert's satire," says Morris. "Early on in his career,
people didn't know where he was coming from. His character caught people
off guard."
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Sony Pictures at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (h/iTr)
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (cK6ro)
Ooh, I bet you're wondering' how I knew
'Bout my plans to make you blue
With seven other guys I blew before
Between the two of us Ryan you know I love you more
It took me by surprise I must say
When they found out yesterday
Don'tcha know that you
Heard it through the rape vine
how much longer till I have you Ryan
Oh I'll get you thru the rape vine
Oh I'm just about to lose my mind
Honey, honey yeah
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (NaV4z)
For the animal loving horde, check out this Christmas Dinner Video with animals - nice palate cleanser
http://tinyurl.com/q8ehbec
Posted by: cheri at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (xWW96)
How could I have been so blind to your beauty?
But, now....Now I understand...
'Tis ironic though that it took you gargling the baby batter of five frat boys to make me realize it.
Kiss me!
Posted by: Thunderglans O'Climax at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (0cMkb)
Death Runs in the Family (The Alvarez Family Murder Mysteries Book 3)
by
Heather Haven (Author), Jeff Monaghan (Illustrator)
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (fWAjv)
Ho. Lee. Shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: mike a. bellesiles at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (Dw98+)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:22 PM (ZPrif)
On the other hand who has the energy to create this much drama based on a hoax in the first few weeks of starting college. I have a suspicion that this was not her very first effort to create a hoax.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (wqVD1)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (MMC8r)
Ahem. I'll have you know that I played out the Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show memes already.
Didn't get any bites then, either.
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:25 PM (2Ojst)
I'm convinced Jackie was the second spitter on the grassy knoll.
Posted by: Sony Pictures at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (h/iTr)
You're late. make me a sammich, wench.
Posted by: Lord haven Monaghan at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (xWW96)
Some are better at masking it than others.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (APQ2q)
Her parents, let's bet liberal dickheads, support her fantasy.
She has made a fool of herself, The University and Rolling Stone.
Pretty amazing what one crazy bitch can accomplish.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:20 PM (wVBo0)
Dentists don't buy those. They're sent for free. Gets the brand out there and counts as however many impressions you want to lie to your advertisers about.
Posted by: Former Magazine Editor at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (27BfC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (Dw98+)
God love 'em for it. Good it was to be alive in that dawn but to be young was very heaven.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:15 PM (MYCIw)
That's were I think there's an honest disconnect between the genders. I can only speak for myself and what I've seen in my life, but I've never heard of a dude saying, "She starting dating [name], now I must have her!" If I'm not interested, dating someone else isn't going to *make* me interested.
It's basically a law among the PUA/ player types that the way to generate women's interest is to be seen with, or be perceived as able to get, other women. I can't say if that's true or not, but I'm pretty damn sure the reverse isn't-- unless the guy was already interested, and was simply too scared to open his mouth without massive prompting.
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (UH0DS)
Interim president? Yes, because the old one should be sacked.
Posted by: zerk at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (dFBkj)
---
Good question. WaPost published the full names of her 3 friends she lied about in the story -- the ones Jackie said pressured her not to report the gang rape, and the name of the girl Jackie said told her she should have just tried to enjoy it cause they were "hot Phi Psi guys".
These people had horrible lies told about them being indifferent to rape, but their names are published everywhere.
Jackie is the only one who still has any privacy. And she's the only one who is a proven liar.
Hell, the Media printed Tawana Brawley's name and she was 15, black and obviously mentally ill since she wrote the n-word in human feces on her own chest.
Jackie was an adult, 18, at an elite college when she made up her fake rape story. There's no logical reason to protect her name at this point.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Nothing wrong with that, right? Jesus is the reason for this season after all.
Well, apparently some "window watchers" are not having a happy holiday upon seeing this display because the furniture store recently posted the following message to their Facebook Page --
"We are getting some calls that people don't like our windows at Discount Mattress Furniture /Airport Mall. We understand that you will not shop here and we are sorry if it offends you..To those that asked us to take the scene down...we are sorry that you don't believe as we do but the windows are staying as displayed until January 1st. If our sales decline due to our window scenes then we will shut our doors and still give the glory to the Lord."
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (e8kgV)
Sally Kohn immediately called James van der Biek a rapist.
****
Hee!!! I love this story so much at this point. I know it's wrong but I don't even care.
Jackie is so batshit crazy.
Posted by: Lea at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (xWW96)
First rule of dating, check out their eyes. Not the lady parts. The eyes.
Posted by: Kraken at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (5+mPY)
Everything after the first keystroke.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (nTuxZ)
http://tinyurl.com/qjnt7m8
Santa loves his Colt M1911...
Posted by: CPT. Charles at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (/mTq0)
their husband/boyfriends, and then only claim domestic violence when
they lose.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:24 PM (Dj0WE)
Buddy of mine used to date a batshit crazy chick. She'd get mad at him, pick a fight, and then try to claim domestic abuse. The cops, to their credit, never believed a word she said. The fact that during one incident they pulled up to the house without the flashing blues and noticed that she was banging her head on the brick front steps before claiming that my buddy's fists had caused all the lacerations and bleeding went a long way to that end.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Seems Legit at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (H/5vA)
Now I'm thinking they were basically codependents. Jackie wanted to stick a reputational knife in someone, Erdely wanted another of her weakly-corroborated sensationalist pieces, and they both got what they wanted.
Almost.
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (o+SC1)
Ahem. I'll have you know that I played out the Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show memes already.
Didn't get any bites then, either.
Posted by: anon a mouse
This is a tough crowd.
C'mon you ignorant rubes -- laugh!
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (rwI+c)
----------------------------------------
I'm also one of those "other" people who don't thing she's mentally ill. She fell in with a group of vicious women, and they gave her power. And the only way to keep that power was to be vicious too.
This story is about hate. Not mental illness.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (MR0M+)
Heather Haven (Author), Jeff Monaghan (Illustrator)
Great SMOD above, really Ryan.... Run.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (NtzGn)
With such titles as 'A wedding to die for,' 'Murder is a family business,' and 'DEAD, if only.'
Ryan should be ok.
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: John Bobbitt at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (h/iTr)
Don't screw crazy.
Unless he did screw crazy and that's what got her obsessed with him. In which case, see! This is why we say not to screw crazy!
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (MYCIw)
Don't screw crazy.
Unless he did screw crazy and that's what got her obsessed with him. In which case, see! This is why we say not to screw crazy!
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (Mxs5H)
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (wqVD1)
Agreed. She may be a pathological liar, which I think is actually a mental defect. I dated a girl who was one, and without going into too much detail, she lied about a rape and about a family member dying in the time I knew her.
Posted by: Heralder at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: John Bobbitt at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (h/iTr)
Posted by: Seems Legit
It's time for a national dialog on Crazy Bitches and Their Plagiarizin' Ways.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:31 PM (K4YiS)
Nah it has too much Hare in it.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (Mxs5H)
----
o_0
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:31 PM (NaV4z)
http://tinyurl.com/q8ehbec
Posted by: cheri
That was delightful, thanks!
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at December 19, 2014 01:31 PM (caUSi)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (5UYtO)
Game. Set. Match.
I really haven't been following this story all that closely. Are we sure Jackie is a real person, and not some invention created by a writer?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (Dj0WE)
To those that asked us to take the scene down...we are sorry that you don't believe as we do but the windows are staying as displayed until January 1st.
If our sales decline due to our window scenes then we will shut our doors and still give the glory to the Lord."
THAT is how it's done!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (nTuxZ)
Posted by: SCOAMF at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (Ks4nX)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (OiH3z)
Death Runs in the Family (The Alvarez Family Murder Mysteries Book 3)
by
Heather Haven (Author), Jeff Monaghan (Illustrator)
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (fWAjv)
Ho. Lee. Shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:27 PM (2Ojst)
Ho Lee Fuk indeed. Hide your rabbits!
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Secundus
Yup. Based upon ersonal experience and those I know, the result ranges from, "oh, that's nice" to "Thank Christ, she has a hobby". This dynamic doesn't really work on guys.
I've heard that the exact opposite is true for women. I was getting attention 17 years married, and single guys were ignored WTF!?! My wife bluntly said, "If a guy is with a woman, he's a guy worth being with, and thus worthy of an effort".
So much for sisterhood.
Posted by: Lord Haven Monaghan at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (wVBo0)
"Janie, all packed? Ready to go off to the dorms?"
"Yeah. But, mommy, daddy, you're forgetting something."
"What's that? Condoms?"
"No, Square. Slide outside before you slide inside, remember?"
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: MrShad at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (C5V36)
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Agreed.
And we know she added to her story over the 2 years.
Initial story was forced bjs to 5 dudes.
Somewhere in the next year or so it changed to gang-rape with 7 dudes. Probably as she tried to beat other girl's stories in the rape activism support groups.
The worse your story, the more sympathy and respect you get. A violent gang-rape beats a wishy-washy he said/she said maybe/kinda sort date rape 9 times outta 10.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: danjziegler at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (bLICx)
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (MYCIw)
C'mon you ignorant rubes -- laugh!
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:29 PM (K4YiS)
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No shit. Marvin Gayes "Heard it thru the Rape Vine" doesnt even get a "meh".
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (NaV4z)
She's a phony. But she's a real phony.
Posted by: Shit Breakfast at Tiffanys Said at December 19, 2014 01:34 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (K4YiS)
Awesome reference.
Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2014 01:34 PM (CAJL/)
Posted by: Justin Case at December 19, 2014 01:34 PM (XzRw1)
she is a narcissistic sociopath who does not care how her actions affect others. She is not some sweet thing who told one lie and got carried away. She did not intend the consequences of all her actions, like getting exposed
she totally intended manipulating all those around her
she is a sociopath
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:34 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:34 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Country Singer
Is there a problem officers?
Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:26 PM (zOTsN)
Why can't the GOP show the same long-range planning skills of Jackie!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (Dw98+)
Posted by: Dave S. at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (5Ezu/)
That was delightful, thanks! Posted by: Hobbitopoly
You are welcome - I loved it too! I noticed that some of them were better dressed and more mannered than some of my relatives
Posted by: cheri at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (Dw98+)
----
The Swedish Chef.
Bjork Bjork Bjork
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (wVBo0)
And that's the Maine thing, really.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (2Ojst)
by Heather Haven (Author), Jeff Monaghan (Illustrator)
As I said, everything after the first keystroke is fabricated.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (nTuxZ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (Dw98+)
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, and his faithful assistant Beaker.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (2Ojst)
Usually it goes something like this though:
Girl is dating some guy.
Some other guy starts showing interest.
Girl plays both sides for a bit.
Girl breaks up with 1st guy to date 2nd guy.
2nd guy no longer has interest in girl.
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (MYCIw)
Erdely was introduced to Jackie by Emily Renda -- who was president of UVA's campus rape group, had testified before Congress (where she told Jackie's story, changing the name to Jenna), and worked for White House task forces on campus sexual assault.
Renda was a campus SJW star. She was also interning in the office of the UVA President Teresa Sullivan spring semester 2014.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (nTuxZ)
Posted by: Null at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (ViF0c)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 19, 2014 01:19 PM (PD6iL)
You know people keep saying this but I don't think it's really true. If a woman goes to the police with a story about being raped and has any corroborating evidence whatsoever, it will be taken seriously and investigated.
It's when women don't go to the police and/or their account is so outlandish (and lacking in evidence) that people become justifiably skeptical.
The idea that we must always believe a woman's story of being raped is sheer nonsense. All we're really obligated to do is take any rape charges seriously - and part of that is investigating the story to determine whether it happened, and if so how it happened, who did it, and making sure they're punished.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (wqVD1)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:33 PM (hLRSq)
Thanks!
Seriously, Ryan is into Matrix level bullet avoidance with Jackie.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: 18-1 at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (cK6ro)
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!!
Posted by: a feminist at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (Dw98+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:30 PM (wVBo0)
And that's the Maine thing, really.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2014 01:36 PM (2Ojst)
----
Somebody put me out of my Missouri....
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (zOTsN)
Nah, there are 3 truths in this sordid tale:
1) there is a UVA
2) there is a "rolling stone magazine"
3) there is a (future) very happy Porsche dealer in Charlottesville...
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (/jpU8)
Therefore she'll probably get her own show on MSNBC.
Posted by: Tuna at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (JSovD)
she is a sociopath
-Yep. Her biggest mistake was letting RS do this stupid story, without realizing her hilarious Dawson's creek plagarism and low level spy antics in pursuit of Randall would get out in the public.
This has turned from tragedy to farce rather quickly. Pass the popcorn.
Posted by: Lea - Also Team Pacey! at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Doug Wagner at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (CFMAN)
Well, I'm glad to see that is the standard...NOW.
Posted by: Juannita Broadrick at December 19, 2014 01:39 PM (cK6ro)
Haven is Dutch for "harbor"
(hafen in German)
Any port in a storm I guess.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2014 01:39 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Sir Permanent Vacation at December 19, 2014 01:39 PM (1aUjs)
Well past it. We are rapidly approaching fake but ludicrous stage.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:39 PM (nTuxZ)
Thought she was James Dean for a day"
**slides valium thru USB**
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:39 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Lauren
The difference here is that the second guy DID show interest. I've experienced women comin' outta nowhere. Mrs. Hen was NOT amused. He recognizing and explaining this dynamic floored me.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 19, 2014 01:39 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Juannita Broadrick
Some rapes are more equal than others. Put some ice on that.
Posted by: MSM at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (V70Ne)
2nd guy no longer has interest in girl.
Posted by: Lauren at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (MYCIw)
Well, duh, not once's he's had sex with her.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Jen at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (dvF5t)
Posted by: BurtTC
Some other site, I am told, "outed" the real Jackie, and even published her name and picture.
Can't verify that it's true, but I've never heard about the outing being retracted.
So one sites followed suit because the outing was deemed uncool and maybe borderline unethical, on the off-chance there was some kernel of truth to her rape claim (stripped of all disprovable specifics).
So yeah, I'm pretty sure she's a real person.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Nancy Grace, CNN Bitch at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (0FSuD)
Btw, Renda has her own story of being raped on campus as a freshman. Renda says she was choked unconscious, beaten on her head and torso, and then raped.
She never went to the police, though, and instead became UVA's #1 sexual assault SJW and president of several organizations, friends with Prez Sullivan, WH task force, really a rising start in the campus sexual assault activism community.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:41 PM (/jpU8)
Another one of those dirty little secrets we can't talk about. Steven Smith got shut down for it, but black women are well-known for pulling this nonsense.
They push and push and push, knowing full well they are as capable as the male when it comes to choking, swinging fists, scratching, biting, and all the rest. They also know MOST men will limit how far they are willing to take it, so she can generally get away with more than he can.
When he manages to haul off and cold-cock her, that's when she goes to the hospital, or the shelter, or her mom's and claims domestic violence.
It's a means of control. Steven Smith on ESPN tried to talk about it. That was a dumb thing to do, Steven. Very dumb indeed.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:41 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:41 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Stan Still at December 19, 2014 01:41 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 19, 2014 01:41 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (CAJL/)
Posted by: Lord Haven Monaghan at December 19, 2014 01:32 PM (Spluw)
Not to brag (ok, maybe a little bit), but several years ago when skinnier/in much better physical shape me was dating a very busty but extremely possessive ginger we were at a local bar hanging out with some of my friends. I was wearing some tight Wranglers that night. She goes to the can, and comes back mad as shit at me, telling me what a disloyal SOB I was. Why? She overheard two chicks in the bathroom talking about my ass and somehow deduced that I was cheating on her with them. To this day I have no idea who the chicks were; the only way I found out what she was so damn upset about was through one of her friends.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (8hctH)
97 It sounds like the name of a cheap romance novel hero. Has anyone checked with Harlequin and see if she lifted the name out of one of their bodice-rippers?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 19, 2014 01:01 PM (hLRSq)
Seriously, it's driving me batty(er). I know there has to be one of my crap YA novels that has a male protagonist named Haven.
Hmm. Now I kinda want to write something with an Irish vampire named Haven Monaghan. ThunderB, I'll totes give you credit.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
Have you read the novel series "The Immortals"? Apparently there is a character named Haven in them.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (02zpQ)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (0FSuD)
Like I said upthread, she and Erdely were codependents in this.
I'll give 'Jackie' the benefit of the doubt for being young and stupid, she's probably gotten away with little manipulations since she was ten and this was her magnum opus.
But Sabrina Erdely has no excuse whatsoever, she's a serial fabulist.
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (o+SC1)
Well, aren't we being certain and all that...
Heh.
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Stupid Grammar Scold at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (rXB/r)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (wVBo0)
Btw, Renda has her own story of being raped on campus as a freshman.
Renda says she was choked unconscious, beaten on her head and torso,
and then raped.
She never went to the police, though, and instead became UVA's #1
sexual assault SJW and president of several organizations, friends with
Prez Sullivan, WH task force, really a rising start in the campus sexual
assault activism community.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:40 PM (ZPrif)
If you don't go to the police/emergency room to get a rape kit done There is no way to prove a rape.
Posted by: Sir Permanent Vacation at December 19, 2014 01:42 PM (1aUjs)
Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2014 01:43 PM (CAJL/)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:43 PM (ZPrif)
Thanks. I wasn't sure. It sounds so implausible, I wouldn't have been surprised if she was invented completely.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:43 PM (Dj0WE)
It seems that this was never even reported to Campus Security (which in VA is "the police" - employed by the Commonwealth) which would have triggered an investigation.
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:44 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:44 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:44 PM (o+SC1)
Smith got shut down for it, but black women are well-known for pulling
this nonsense.
They push and push and push, knowing full well
they are as capable as the male when it comes to choking, swinging
fists, scratching, biting, and all the rest. They also know MOST men
will limit how far they are willing to take it, so she can generally get
away with more than he can.
When he manages to haul off and
cold-cock her, that's when she goes to the hospital, or the shelter, or
her mom's and claims domestic violence.
It's a means of control. Steven Smith on ESPN tried to talk about it. That was a dumb thing to do, Steven. Very dumb indeed.
Tell me about it...
Posted by: Ray Rice at December 19, 2014 01:44 PM (1aUjs)
Posted by: John A. Fleming at December 19, 2014 01:45 PM (HuzS0)
It's when women don't go to the police and/or their account is so outlandish (and lacking in evidence) that people become justifiably skeptical.
The idea that we must always believe a woman's story of being raped is sheer nonsense. All we're really obligated to do is take any rape charges seriously - and part of that is investigating the story to determine whether it happened, and if so how it happened, who did it, and making sure they're punished.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 19, 2014 01:37 PM (wqVD1)
Well, I will admit, rather shamefully, that I am now looking more skeptically at the gang rape claim at William Paterson over Thanksgiving Break. That woman went to the cops and hospital immediately, there are specific people accused and there were arrests. But I am still wondering if it was actually rape.
Admittedly, at least half of that is due to that girl at NYU (I think) who claimed gang rape and the guys were arrested and one of them had the wit to tape it and that showed that, yeah, not so much. But the other half is because of this.
Now, as I said, I'm ashamed of that but, yeah, my doubt meter went up from say 2% to 10%.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:45 PM (mf5HN)
1) there is a UVA
2) there is a "rolling stone magazine"
3) there is a (future) very happy Porsche dealer in Charlottesville...
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:38 PM (/jpU
4) Phi Kappa Psi will be building an enormous new fraternity house.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:45 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Secundus
Yep social proof is very real thing among women. But generally it doesn't work in the reverse for guys. But an 18 year old women likely wouldn't know that.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 19, 2014 01:45 PM (wqVD1)
You are welcome - I loved it too! I noticed that some of them were better dressed and more mannered than some of my relatives
Posted by: cheri at December 19, 2014 01:35 PM (oiNtH)
------------------------------------------
I did notice the cat as the patriarch. Cats rule.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (MR0M+)
Posted by: Biff Boffo at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (+8Yuj)
Posted by: magnum opus at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (Dw98+)
Agreed.
If anything, this sends a message: Be ready with proof, or at least plausible evidence. Like Jackie's story-- show me *something*. Witnesses, police report, rape kit, scarring from that broken glass, emergency room bills-- anything at all, and we can talk.
I thought the same thing with the Cosby business. But I guess there's been a pattern of complaints and even police reports against him, over decades, so yeah, that's worth looking into (I haven't followed the case closely).
But nothing? Nothing at all? GTF outta my face.
Posted by: Secundus at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (UH0DS)
Powers - By accessing the mutant fetus within her, Radha can open any number of interdimensional crossways into her own personal side dimension, a pocket area of the universe in which she can manipulate reality.
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Biff Boffo at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (+8Yuj)
Screech got gang raped by women...
Posted by: Ray Rice at December 19, 2014 01:46 PM (1aUjs)
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (o+SC1)
4) Phi Kappa Psi will be building an enormous new fraternity house.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:45 PM (8hctH)
Each of the "Duke Three" got $12 million from Duke tax free".
Thank you Mike Nifong, you bankrupt UNC democrat!
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (0FSuD)
I saw "Your raging Vortex of Disappointment" open for Dr. Hook and The Medicine Show in '74...
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (/jpU8)
Certainly she may be mentally unstable inasmuch as she fixated on (even: became obsessed with) Ryan (or Russell, or whatever his name is). But the whole story from its inception shows intent.
Now, the *original* intent may have been to trap Ryan into a relationship (from which she would then never have let him leave). But then that intent was dropped when she realized she could gain fame (of a sort) and wider sympathy by being a Rape Advocate.
Eventually that wasn't enough, either, so then she went to (or at least agreed to give her story to) Rolling Stone.
By the time the story had evolved to that point- from forced BJs to gang-rape on a broken table, and from "some guy" to "a Fraternity member at XYZ frat"- she had to know she was going to start a fire-storm.
That she did so- despite knowing that none of this had ever happened, and, in fact, having invented the story from whole-cloth is just evil.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: obvious yoda at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (5dxeo)
Or he would probably be sucking imaginary dick.
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (PXU5j)
Posted by: cheri at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (z/HLo)
the middle bit, about third-grade and run-on sentences, is plagiarized from this love poem:
http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/sadi-lynn/general-love-poem-3/
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (9GG/0)
Nah, we're not talking about guys like you, Ray. You're a straight up cold-blooded thug and a wife beater.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:48 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2014 01:48 PM (wVBo0)
Not buying that unless it was a dream sequence, or he paid for the fantasy.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2014 01:48 PM (nTuxZ)
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:45 PM (8hctH)
*******
With hidden cameras in every. Frigging. Room.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 19, 2014 01:48 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:44 PM (o+SC1)
Never saw them, have no idea who the hell they were. Didn't even get any names or descriptions to run with, lol.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2014 01:48 PM (8hctH)
O.
M.
G.
Well, on the one hand, good for them. Taxpayers, OTOH...
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:48 PM (/jpU8)
Posted by: acethepug at December 19, 2014 01:49 PM (37xk6)
You're not going too from Jack Lemmon in 'The Apartment' to roaming Hef's mansion to all that, really.
I'm not saying it was RIGHT, just that it was probably far more typical than is safe to admit these days.
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:49 PM (o+SC1)
When we finally figure out which movie/book/TV show/blog from which she cribbed her gang-rape fantasy, then we can put a final nail in this whole sordid affair.
I used to think that SOMETHING probably happened to her. Now I am convinced that this whole rape "tradgedy" was fictional, premeditated, and engineered to squeeze sympatrhy out of her friends, and to get the attention of a feminist beta-male she had a crush on.
Then a reporter got interested, and the harsh light of day is falling on everything.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 19, 2014 01:49 PM (QZ2XJ)
This story's enablers, along with Ferguson, are literally demanding that we abandon due process and the law in favor of how they "feel" about a legal issue. The number of officials who seem content to allow this to continue is disturbing, much like the ones who refuse to arrest those who issued a bounty on the Ferguson policeman.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 19, 2014 01:50 PM (0HooB)
Is Duke a State school? I thought it was private (as in: not receiving money from the State).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 19, 2014 01:50 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: MTF at December 19, 2014 01:50 PM (6um35)
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:51 PM (mf5HN)
it's easy if you try...
Posted by: John Lemman at December 19, 2014 01:51 PM (eoT/v)
Somebody was mentioning a movie with a very similar scene in it early on. Except that the thing on which she's thrown is a pinball machine or something like that...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 19, 2014 01:51 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: The Jackhole at December 19, 2014 01:51 PM (6/J77)
Then a reporter got interested, and the harsh light of day is falling on everything.
In between those two, though, she got to become an activist, which made her important and celebrated. I'm sure the facts grew to improve the story during that stage.
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2014 01:51 PM (MMC8r)
Charles C. Johnson isn't the same guy as Chuckles. Thus the added "C." And JeffB hates him, so he's okay in my books.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (Dw98+)
-
probably.
She planned out the fraud and got away with it for 2 years.
I do wonder how much, after repeating her lie for two years -- and adding to it along the way -- she had come to believe her own hoax.
The fact she tried to pull out at the last moment shows she still knew she was lying.
But, remember, she got her story told to Congress in the Spring and got away with it. Key there was Emily Renda changed Jackie's name to Jenna.
But she got her hoax in the congressional record without it blowing up in her face, she probably thought she'd get away with it in the Rolling Stone, too. At least she did right up till just before publication, then she got nervous and tried to back out.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (ZPrif)
Give him back his law license, send him over to the public defender's office, and garnish 85% of his pay.
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: The Jackhole at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (6/J77)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (8rl/J)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (hHFOx)
Yup, which is why people are so reluctant to call this type of behavior "crazy." Borderlines are the most unpleasant people to be around, and there really are no limits to what they will do to get... whatever it is they are hoping to get.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2014 01:53 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 19, 2014 01:53 PM (/jpU8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vucFPORF-8
Emily Renda, the girl who introduced Jackie to the reporter, CITED THE JACKIE RAPE CASE IN A U.S. SENATE HEARING, to Senator Harkin, about a proposed new federal law on campus rape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vucFPORF-8
"Self-blame and victim-blame are among the primary factors that deter victims from reporting. Personal responsibilities for an attack especially when reinforced by peers undermine a survivor's sense that it is his or her right to seek justice.
One survivor I worked with did not report her gang rape until almost a year later because immediately after the attack she confided in peers who did not believe her, who told her that she was wrong about what had happened to her because those were all great guys. Her friends' responses took away her confidence to report or seek help which means those five young men went unpunished and remained a threat to the other students' throughout that year."
Notice how her voice trembles when recounting Jackie rape house on the floor of the US Senate.
This is beyond unreal.
Why is that video so little known -- why less than a thousand views?
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:54 PM (K4YiS)
had ever happened, and, in fact, having invented the story from
whole-cloth is just evil.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 19, 2014 01:47 PM (kff5f)
True! Let us hope her parents have a very large umbrella policy. The university will also be paying after the Inter Fraternity Council sues.
I think her parents will be on the hook for backing her story, although I suspect that is a stretch, since she was probably 18 when she made this story up.
Where are the kick ass trial lawyers? Pussys
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:55 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Jackie at December 19, 2014 01:55 PM (hHFOx)
Posted by: George Orwell at December 19, 2014 01:55 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 19, 2014 01:51 PM (kff5f)
The Accused with Jodi Foster is the pinball movie.
Apparently there's a thing about a broken glass table in Gone Girl.
Someone mentioned her writing fanfic. There's a huge subgenre of fanfic involving non-con/rape and ensuing hurt/comfort by whatever character the author is shipping with the victim. When I say huge, I mean HUGE. Hell, when whatever the new big fandom starts up, I can tell you within a minute who is going to be the one who is being victimized and who is going to save her (or him). So, yeah, it's completely unsurprising to me that a young girl would pick that scenario as her White Knight dream.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Pacey at December 19, 2014 01:56 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
You're referring to the Jodie Foster film "The Accused".
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 01:57 PM (K4YiS)
Jackie, here's chapter 2 of my new bodice ripper for your proofreading pleasure. Feel free to make notes in the margins, as needed.
Posted by: Chauncy Tenderloin at December 19, 2014 01:57 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 19, 2014 01:58 PM (0FSuD)
@375 - And Mike Nifong should be working 12 hours a day, six days a week to pay it off.
Give him back his law license, send him over to the public defender's office, and garnish 85% of his pay.
Posted by: JEM at December 19, 2014 01:52 PM (o+SC1)"
I would prefer that Mike Nifong work in the gravel business. Making gravel from Big rocks with a sledge hammer.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 19, 2014 01:58 PM (PD6iL)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2014 02:00 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: NotCoach at December 19, 2014 02:05 PM (juuRy)
A catfish is a sort of eel with long wiskery things on its face. There are many species of catfish and they are all in the water. Few of them send emails.
If you look it up I think you'll see that I am right and that you are misusing the term.
Posted by: Pious Agnostic at December 19, 2014 02:07 PM (Lu9c/)
Posted by: plum at December 19, 2014 02:08 PM (VRUqj)
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Posted by: Pious Agnostic at December 19, 2014 02:11 PM (Lu9c/)
Posted by: Terri at December 19, 2014 02:11 PM (bpemY)
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Yeah, funny thing about that rape was the fact that Jackie only told the University about it after the University came to her near the end of her first year, asking for an explanation as to why she was failing half her classes.
Jackie started out as UVA with the intention of going to med school. But she apparently was struggling with her classes. So she used the "rape" to excuse her failures -- and probably got a lot of special accommodations from the school since she was now officially a "victim."
Then, after reporting the rape, she becomes a campus advocate -- and decides to change her major to Sociology (probably the easiest major) from pre-med (one of the toughest).
That "rape" sure did come in handy for Jackie, didn't it?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 19, 2014 02:16 PM (2ruKl)
I don't think its so odd for he or his pals to have held on to "evidence" - because I think he thought it could be important someday to hold a victimizer accountable.
For example, Jackie could change her mind about persuing charges, or this bad person might spread misery in the future, and need catching.s
So - instead of hitting delete, he just leaves it in the mail box or message bin.
Jackie was probably giving off strange vibes when she talked about "Haven." Ryan called her "hesitant" - in hindsight, something just seemed off that subconsciously sparked their interest in making sure he wasn't creeping.
It's amusing that Jackie's pals were so busy trying to "fool Haven" by pretending to be another girl in the same chemistry class that it didn't occur to them they were the victims of an identity ruse.
Posted by: SarahW at December 19, 2014 02:20 PM (Lbv/k)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 19, 2014 02:21 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: toby928(C)
I have all mine going back to 1954. The very first one I sent said,
"Jackie, Jackie, tell me your answer true;
I'm half wacky, all for the love of you..."
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 02:24 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Mr. Practical at December 19, 2014 02:25 PM (6nt51)
Posted by: jmel at December 19, 2014 02:25 PM (Gxd4c)
Posted by: Jen at December 19, 2014 02:26 PM (dvF5t)
Well he was a major character in "Don't Trust the Bitch in Apt. 23".
Clearly a misogynist with evil rape-y tendencies to any feminist.
Posted by: gekkobear at December 19, 2014 02:27 PM (qqVuf)
It's all a made-up bang jape.
But we'll have fun
We're on Page One
of a leftover '60s rag.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2014 02:27 PM (K4YiS)
Ahem....
Death Runs in the Family (The Alvarez Family Murder Mysteries Book 3)
by
Heather Haven (Author), Jeff Monaghan (Illustrator)
Posted by: RWC - Ahinilater of Worlds at December 19, 2014 01:23 PM (fWAjv)
WOW!!! I consider myself the King of Google, but I bow down to the new master of computerized research. Talk about hiding in plain sight.
Posted by: VA MK Z at December 19, 2014 02:33 PM (RjkRJ)
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Posted by: Linda at December 19, 2014 03:47 PM (sh8b/)
"Haven Monaghan" needs to print up business cards that identify him as a "gentleman rapist and matchmaker extraordinaire."
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