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Welcome To 2016: Jeb Bush Officially Announces He's Running (Sort Of)
Oh yeah, Bush 2016 is real and it's going to be spectacular!
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah! Like many of you, our family was blessed with the opportunity to gather together over the recent Thanksgiving holiday. Columba and I are so proud of the wonderful adults our children have become, and we loved spending time with our three precious grandchildren. We shared good food and watched a whole lotof football. We also talked about the future of our nation. As a result of these conversations and thoughtful consideration of the kind of strong leadership I think America needs, I have decided to actively explore the possibility of running for President of the United States. In January, I also plan to establish a Leadership PAC that will help me facilitate conversations with citizens across America to discuss the most critical challenges facing our exceptional nation. The PAC’s purpose will be to support leaders, ideas and policies that will expand opportunity and prosperity for all Americans. In the coming months, I hope to visit with many of you and have a conversation about restoring the promise of America. Best wishes to you and your families for a happy holiday season. I’ll be in touch soon.Finally! The party that has nominated George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney will have the White Knight moderate it needs to wrest control of the party away from those dirty conservatives. Why is Jeb doing this so early? I'm guessing because the Romney 2016 thing was getting real. All the talk from Team Mitt about how, "the field wasn't that great and he as much as he didn't want to run again
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 16, 2014 10:11 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Penfold at December 16, 2014 10:12 AM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: Erowmero at December 16, 2014 10:12 AM (go5uR)
Posted by: Kaitian at December 16, 2014 10:12 AM (YNPwP)
Posted by: harry_balzack at December 16, 2014 10:15 AM (YUrBn)
Posted by: Kaitian at December 16, 2014 10:12 AM (YNPwP)
RINODOME 2016
Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at December 16, 2014 10:15 AM (FA3Z7)
With regards to Jeb '16: I note, with some amusement, that the "shut up and vote the party" talk had begun before Jeb announced.
Really and truly, absolutely no time wasted in castigating and demonizing the "base" of the Republican Party - or, rather, their fringe voting bloc.
The Pubbies really are just Dem Lite. This is immaterial to me personally, as I will never vote R again, but it will be interesting to see how the conservative crowd reacts should senor Bush actually get somewhere with this hopefully ill-fated campaign of his.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 16, 2014 10:15 AM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Kwanza at December 16, 2014 10:15 AM (IvTw6)
Posted by: harry_balzack at December 16, 2014 10:17 AM (YUrBn)
No more Bushes, or next-in-lines.
I'll settle for:
1) Walker
2) Paul
3) Jindal
4) TPAW
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 16, 2014 10:17 AM (FA3Z7)
Posted by: Kaitian at December 16, 2014 10:12 AM (YNPwP)
RINODOME 2016
All go, whoever comes out, we lose.
Posted by: Penfold at December 16, 2014 10:17 AM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: MTF at December 16, 2014 10:17 AM (6um35)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 16, 2014 10:18 AM (SCcgT)
Posted by: Get Ready, It's Coming at December 16, 2014 10:18 AM (ZiE/q)
Fuck, I'd take someone with a business acumen over populist morons.
Posted by: Kaitian at December 16, 2014 10:18 AM (YNPwP)
Posted by: MTF at December 16, 2014 10:19 AM (6um35)
Jeb, we don't want you.
We don't NEED you.
You are a fat necked rino like Christie.
Stay home with Columba and your adult children you are so proud of.
You are not what this Country needs or wants.
STFU.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:19 AM (A98Xu)
And here we are.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:20 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 16, 2014 10:20 AM (FA3Z7)
Posted by: huerfano at December 16, 2014 10:20 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Amichel at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (I+4FK)
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (FA3Z7)
Posted by: PaleRider at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (7w/kf)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Hillary! at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (6um35)
That's how I feel every election cycle where gozer=msm/left, gang=repubs, staypuff marshmallow=mit/bush/McCain/etc.
Posted by: bananaDream at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (ATQUV)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 16, 2014 10:22 AM (KAmzK)
I will not vote for another Bush under ANY circumstances. I don't care if the Dems run Zombie Che Guevara, I'm not going to vote for dynastic continuation.
Romney also comes from a dynasty. Not voting for him either. He had his chance.
Posted by: Chef Mojo at December 16, 2014 10:22 AM (4G5ek)
Posted by: PaleRider at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (7w/kf)
Come on man. Elections do not saved republics.
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 16, 2014 10:22 AM (FA3Z7)
Jeb will ensure GOP defeat. The base will stay home. So will I.
Posted by: maddogg at December 16, 2014 10:23 AM (xWW96)
That sounds like being at my in-laws for Christmas with their kids in Vermont. Though my FIL is not really a Sanders fan. But does take the NYT as gospel truth at least regarding facts.
Posted by: Penfold at December 16, 2014 10:23 AM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: JoeShmoe at December 16, 2014 10:23 AM (XsOa7)
Walker vs Perry vs Cruz for the Base Primary.
Whoever wins the Donor Primary usually wins the nomination. Though McCain pulled it out in 2008.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:24 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jeffrey Carter (@pointsnfigures) at December 16, 2014 10:24 AM (LnE5F)
Posted by: Amichel at December 16, 2014 10:24 AM (I+4FK)
Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 10:24 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 10:25 AM (DL2i+)
Run faster Jeb. Off a cliff please.
Posted by: Fen at December 16, 2014 10:25 AM (s20zb)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 16, 2014 10:25 AM (h3efB)
Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 10:25 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 10:25 AM (DL2i+)
But Jeb and Columba's newsletter contained more begging and was more ominous yet boring.
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:25 AM (5+mPY)
Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 10:26 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Penfold
Interesting. I suppose that proximity to bernie the bolsie takes the gloss of, eh?
Ask her if her fav NYT reporter is Walter Duranty.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:26 AM (Spluw)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:26 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Vic at December 16, 2014 10:26 AM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 16, 2014 10:27 AM (dACC+)
Posted by: Baldy at December 16, 2014 10:28 AM (+35FH)
They think he can take 40%+ of the hispanic vote and squeak out 50.1% in the general.
And they might be right. If Dems run Injun Liz I think Jeb can beat her.
If think Hillary will crush him though and go populist against Wall Street Republicans and win the white working class vote in the midwest.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:28 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 16, 2014 10:28 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: This is a Faux News Alert at December 16, 2014 10:29 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at December 16, 2014 10:29 AM (T1Jm0)
Really, what's the point?
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:29 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (4G5ek)
Posted by: Penfold at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (Fbt5B)
Jeb will ensure GOP defeat. The base will stay home. So will I.
Posted by: maddogg at December 16, 2014 10:23 AM (xWW96)
I will go & vote but not for president that day
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (dACC+)
Posted by: Back slapping Fox News shitheads at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: common sense at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (+YNzP)
Or we can run another plutocrat. But this time he speaks Spanish!! Yeah, that's gonna win Ohio for us.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:31 AM (5+mPY)
Probably triggered by a conversation I had yesterday about cannibalism, I first parsed that as "Jeb vs Romney vs Christie for the Donner Party."
But maybe spending the winter trapped in the Sierra Nevada mountains should be part of the primary process.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 16, 2014 10:31 AM (UVfht)
Posted by: jwest at December 16, 2014 10:31 AM (vwlGK)
FIFY.
Hell, I fixed it for me......
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 16, 2014 10:31 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: tbd at December 16, 2014 10:31 AM (d89sA)
Posted by: Baldy at December 16, 2014 10:32 AM (+35FH)
Posted by: Penfold
Give her a lecture on the merits of ....sustainability. Make sure you inform her that there will be a test on this.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:32 AM (Spluw)
You want Scott Walker or Ted Cruz.
You'd take Rand Paul or Rick Perry.
You'll get some RINO retread.
Posted by: The GOPe at December 16, 2014 10:33 AM (WDCYi)
Do you know anything about Jeb's record in Florida? You ought to learn and contrast with Romney's liberal record in Mass..
Just a couple of items.
Romneycare! God how soon we forget.
Romney became allegedly pro-life in about 2004 as a 50+ man. Before that he was solidly "pro-choice", He changed (allegedly) because he was giving up Mass. politics for national GOP politics and needed to be pro-life. How many people since Roe change their views in middle age?
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at December 16, 2014 10:33 AM (t3cNy)
Posted by: Blanco
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I would bet on the chubby guy.
"Get in my belly!"
Posted by: Barky at December 16, 2014 10:33 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:33 AM (5+mPY)
Posted by: fairweatherbill holding dominion over the nether regions at December 16, 2014 10:34 AM (WFDo3)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:34 AM (A98Xu)
Problem is our Donor Class hates our Voter Class.
And our Donor Class picks our candidates.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:34 AM (ZPrif)
And our Donor Class picks our candidates.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:34 AM (ZPrif)
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Yes.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:35 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: RioBravo at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (z27Ny)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
This. he's a proven survivor, and has decent stats in his home state. And some of his earliest opposition will come from the open air asylum called Madison WI. If they prep for that and fisk them early and often, they'll burn one or more of the ravening MFMers.
Even if Jeb's record and positions were better, bush hatred never stopped. it will simply grow.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (Spluw)
And here we are.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:20 AM
You know it. It would be fun, though, to have Bernie in the Democrat primary just so we could watch them do the 'I'm totes not a socialist even though I've been openly calling myself a socialist for 30 years" dance.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Karl Rove at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (XzRw1)
Unfortunately those conversations be en espanol.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 16, 2014 10:36 AM (MPK82)
Bush, Mittens and Kris Kreosote are all No Sales.
Posted by: This is a Faux News Alert at December 16, 2014 10:37 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:37 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Thatch at December 16, 2014 10:37 AM (m/nBa)
Christie and Jeb are out.
NEXT!
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:37 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (qDYpf)
Posted by: some guy at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (QCc6B)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (32Ze2)
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This is not my astro-turfing troll. It's Jebs astro-turfing troll. Please do not blame me! I love all of you!
Posted by: Hillary! at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (6um35)
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:39 AM (5+mPY)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:39 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (MNq6o)
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HA! That's what I heard too.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:39 AM (A98Xu)
Romney >Jeb
The only way I see a Romney candidacy making sense is if the there was some sort of foreign policy catastrophe like we were on the brink of war with Russia.
I would prefer a more conservative Mitt Romney, but I honestly think the man would have made a first class President.
My order of preference for 2016 is
1) Rand Paul (warts and all)
2) Scott Walker
3) Ted Cruz
4) Marco Rubio
That would all change though if New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez through her hat in the ring. She would destroy Hillary in my humble opinion.
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 10:39 AM (6wBEX)
Jeb commits two heresies. Common Core and immigration.
Not 1 in 100 people had ever heard of Common Core a year ago let alone had a view on it. Now, unless you are against it, you are not a True Conservative©. You know who else hates Common Core? Teacher unions, Think about that.
The other heresy is of course immigration. Jebs's views are about the same as Reagan's. I gues Ron was not a True Conservative© either.
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at December 16, 2014 10:40 AM (t3cNy)
Posted by: common sense at December 16, 2014 10:40 AM (+YNzP)
Hillary -- the Alinskyite who tried to nationalize healthcare in the 90s -- is the moderate "right-wing" Democrat now. Proud socialist Injun Liz is who Dems really want to be Prez.
Meanwhile Repubs go ever more to the Left, ever more moderate.
Both parties shifting heavily to the Left.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:40 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 16, 2014 10:40 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 10:38 AM (MNq6o)
I was thinking this:
http://www.sadtrombone.com/
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 16, 2014 10:40 AM (MPK82)
Posted by: fairweatherbill holding dominion over the nether regions at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (WFDo3)
Posted by: This is a Faux News Alert at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (q9alm)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:37 AM (A98Xu)
I'm holding out for the one who has balls. And yes, even Sarah P. would qualify.
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (5+mPY)
Posted by: Soona at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (G/OeJ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (XzRw1)
I guess that leaves Jeb, Christie, and Mitt plus a choice to be named later.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (7aFIA)
*puts on bright white choir robe*
*holds candle*
*sings to the tune of "Oh, Little Town of Bethlehem*
Leftover Bush of Florida
You're still not President
Upon your dreams and White House schemes
There hangs a bitter stench
Your Dad backstabbed his voters
Your Brother had no fight
Both left the country off much worse
Go fuck yourself. Good night.
*drops candle*
Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:42 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: jewells45tryingtokeepfromgoingcrazy at December 16, 2014 10:42 AM (l/N7H)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:43 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Citizen X at December 16, 2014 10:43 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: gracepmc at December 16, 2014 10:43 AM (xvd51)
I think you have to admit, after nearly 30 years of it, that you aren't going to get change at the ballot box.
Posted by: This is a Faux News Alert at December 16, 2014 10:44 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: This is a Faux News Alert at December 16, 2014 10:41 AM (hKyl0)
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This is exactly why so many of us are angry.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:44 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: jwest at December 16, 2014 10:44 AM (vwlGK)
Posted by: ginaswo at December 16, 2014 10:44 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: Fritz at December 16, 2014 10:44 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Citizen X at December 16, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)
http://tinyurl.com/pnhfd36
Islamic dudes in Iowa selling non-halal meat as halal to a lot of Islamic countries for years.
Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 10:45 AM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 10:45 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Citizen X at December 16, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 16, 2014 10:45 AM (TOk1P)
Sarah would mistake Jeb for wild boar.
Posted by: This is a Faux News Alert at December 16, 2014 10:46 AM (hKyl0)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 10:46 AM (4+IgA)
Posted by: troyriser at December 16, 2014 10:46 AM (f56b1)
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 10:46 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:46 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: buzzion at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (zt+N6)
and we get Jeb 'act of love' Bush
WASS
Posted by: ginaswo in yet another hotel while contractors tear out kitchen at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 16, 2014 10:45 AM (TOk1P)
I see you've been reading the playbook. I'm sick and tired of getting played.
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (5+mPY)
the RINO field is waaayy too crowded. Mitt, Jeb, Christie. This kills Rubio unless he wants to be a veep. All three will be fighting for the same money. I really think this is helpful
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (zOTsN)
That said
I am Cruizin with Ted- Bolton or Pence as VP on my Santas list ...
Unless some Missouri Synod Lutheran Zealot appears in the 3 rings.
Posted by: Desmond Dekker at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (/WmRg)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (MNq6o)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I dunno. A smart person would have the rest run to the right of him, and make some nice noises about his positions (which is mostly what the SOB wants). They did this with Jackson the the oh so rev al.
In short, he might make the rest seem sane and palatable. Remember how the MFM chanted the mantra of JEF being independent and moderate?
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM (Spluw)
(sorry for going O/T but, watching MSDNC gleefully play the clip of Ay-rot slamming Cruuuuuz.)
Posted by: Citizen X at December 16, 2014 10:48 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 10:48 AM (4+IgA)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:48 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Bush '16 at December 16, 2014 10:48 AM (78TbK)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 10:46 AM (4+IgA)
So is my hemorrhoid.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (7aFIA)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (A98Xu)
(sorry for going O/T but, watching MSDNC gleefully play the clip of Ay-rot slamming Cruuuuuz.)
Posted by: Citizen X
.....
Rush said yesterday Ayotte was pissed because she had tickets to see the Nutcracker with her daughter in NYC over the weekend, and Cruz ruined it for her..
Well, EXCUUUUSE fucking me, Kelly!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (4+IgA)
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (9BRsg)
Only now it's the smart one out of each family. Could be interesting.
Posted by: jwest at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (vwlGK)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 16, 2014 10:50 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: seems legit
.......
That's what I was thinking.. but, no.. they are not THAT smart!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 10:50 AM (4+IgA)
Posted by: 18-1 at December 16, 2014 10:50 AM (78TbK)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:50 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:50 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 10:50 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Fritz at December 16, 2014 10:51 AM (UzPAd)
A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:51 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: jwest
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Yeah.. lol..
But you know.. it kinda shoots down the whole "dynasty" argument, since it is two dynasties facing off.
But jeeeeezus lord! Can't we find SOMEONE else besides these same families over and over???
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (4+IgA)
Posted by: troyriser at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (f56b1)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (EG8fo)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:49 AM (zOTsN)
There can be only one Poppin' Fresh. Although there's spaces for the Michelin Man and the Stay Puft Man.
By the way, I don't see Mrs. Poppin' Fresh in ads anymore. Gues the pudgy dough girl did not poll well in ad research.
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (5+mPY)
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I'm fairly certain Jeb would never advocate for a government shutdown, so score one for Lizzie.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (gmeXX)
Style guide request. All posts about Jeb Bush should include, "Jeb Bush, who once gave an award to Hillary Clinton."
Seconded.
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: This is a Faux
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It had to be done.
Posted by: Barky at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (uJK1E)
[x] Do not want
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (MbrzC)
Posted by: SFGoth at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (RyHoh)
It's not what I want, there's much better available, and it makes me puke.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (scgac)
Style guide request. All posts about Jeb Bush should include, "Jeb Bush, who once gave an award to Hillary Clinton."
Seconded.
Posted by: TVoC
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All in favor?
Posted by: Barky at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (F2IAQ)
*gags*
Posted by: LizLem at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at December 16, 2014 10:40 AM (t3cNy)
You're a dumbass. If you think having the view on immigrationg today that Reagan had in the 1980's, which he admitted was a mistake, then you need your head examined.
Posted by: buzzion at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (XzRw1)
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Too late. HRC is doomed.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2014 10:54 AM (ABcz/)
Posted by: filbert at December 16, 2014 10:55 AM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 16, 2014 10:47 AM
There is that. It's too much to hope that our side would do a good job pointing out that there isn't an iota of policy difference between the actual socialist and the rest of the Democrat party and candidates as they now stand. A guy can dream, I guess...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2014 10:55 AM (knoK7)
A: A suicide note.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at December 16, 2014 10:55 AM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Jeb Gruber Bush at December 16, 2014 10:55 AM (+YNzP)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2014 10:55 AM (gA69l)
Posted by: Pac Man at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (X05fp)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (32Ze2)
A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:51 AM (gmeXX)
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Heard a replay of Mike "I'm with McCain" Medved last night. Just attacking Cruz, and how he's so unpopular.
Gah. Won't make that radio-tuning mistake again.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (vgIRn)
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I'll say this for Mitt. If he runs, he must have that "I really want to be President" factor that has often been written about. The killer drive to be President that they say Clinton had.
Of course, you could arguably say the same for William Jennings Bryant.
Just an observation. I am not advocating a Mitt run, and happily voted for Santorum against him last time.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (5+mPY)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (A98Xu)
I'll Never Vote For Bush will compete with Let It Burn.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (bLhAC)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Joyfully doing Christmas stuff. at December 16, 2014 10:57 AM (IXrOn)
Seconded.
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 10:52 AM (XzRw1)
Thirded. And we need a refresher on the style guide methinks; there was a lot of talk of Bill Ayers yesterday, but oh so few correctly cited him as "unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers." This is unacceptable; words have meaning people!
Posted by: LizLem at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (yRwC8)
A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:51 AM (gmeXX)
I like it . . . I like it . . .
Hell, RINOs have been running faux-conservatives for years, isn't it time to try a faux-RINO?
Posted by: filbert at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (gA69l)
Posted by: SFGoth at December 16, 2014 10:53 AM (RyHoh)
Please, please let this be true!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (fL/7/)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (gmeXX)
Run Jeb, run.
I can hardly wait for the GOP to call me for money now, although I think they might have given up after the last cycle. I pity the foo.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (sH832)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 16, 2014 10:59 AM (oDCMR)
Gah. Won't make that radio-tuning mistake again.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 16, 2014 10:56 AM (vgIRn)
"Unelectable." That word is seared, seared into my memory.
Posted by: filbert at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Karl Rove at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (gA69l)
Posted by: Arcadehero at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (27BfC)
Posted by: GOPe at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (32Ze2)
had a view on it. Now, unless you are against it, you are not a True
Conservative. You know who else hates Common Core? Teacher unions,
Think about that.
The other heresy is of course immigration.
Jebs's views are about the same as Reagan's. I gues Ron was not a True
Conservative either.
Oh, I'm bored and on hold so I'll bite.
So, just because teachers unions are against something, I can't be against it too? That's stupid. I've seen a lot of teachers oppose CC, not so much the unions, but even if they do, well, they're right.
I'll stipulate your "just like Reagan" argument for the purpose of this post. So? It's 2015, not 1986. The way the donks lied to Reagan about immigration, and the fallout from their betrayal is one of the prime reasons having a stance on immigration "just like Reagan" is sheer lunacy today.
That's two strikes. One more and you're out.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (KAmzK)
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Did they grease the anal probe or just do a dry run like McCain?
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 16, 2014 11:01 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: GOPinTX at December 16, 2014 11:01 AM (wTO4K)
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I've said it before, but if I was in the Bush family, my advice would have been for Jeb not to run to protect the family dynasty for George P. in 15-25 years. If Jeb runs and wins, great chance he will be a one-term president and after 3 Bush's hard to see a 4th. If he runs and loses, he adds more losing stain to the Bush name and potentially saddles his son with baggage. No upside to George P. IMO. Some father.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:01 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Fritz at December 16, 2014 11:01 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:01 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 16, 2014 11:02 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 11:02 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (gA69l)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (Zmw74)
Probably. And other than the missed opportunity to once again fool around with WH interns in the Lincoln bedroom and/or oval office, methinks Bill Clinton will have a sick sort of satisfaction if she is not the nominee. I don't know if his ego can actually handle her being president, though he wouldn't go so far as to hijack her press conferences like he did to Obama.
Posted by: LizLem at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (yRwC8)
I've known "rock ribbed" conservatives that aren't "border hawks" but Jeb would have you believe amnesty is the most important policy objective on Earth and that any conservative that opposes it is just a giant racist. And he has no problem trumpeting this every time you get a microphone in front of him.
This meme that Romney lost because he was not for amnesty are absurd and have been thoroughly debunked. Latinos didn't hand Obama the election, Sean Trende had a great analysis that showed had Romney won 70% of the Latino vote, he still would have come up short. But 2-3% more of the white vote and he would have won.
Look at Republicans like McCain, the ultimate open borders Republican that bent over backwards to get an amnesty bill. Latinos did not reward McCain at the ballot box when he ran for President. It's an Establishment fantasy that gets repeated over and over.
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (6wBEX)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 11:04 AM (zOTsN)
All of you who like Cruz or walker.. not a snowball's chance in hell.
Except for moron horde polls, they are both down in the low single digits in every poll. I like Cruz's ideas (mostly) but he just would not make it thru a primary.. his face reminds me of Walter Mondale. Walker's defeat of the unions, etc. in Wisconsin is laudable. But, for all that Wisconsin's economy is still in the shitter. And, anyway, he's kinda weasely looking too.
So.. Right now, I'm hoping Perry jumps in. But he may be damaged goods after the last showing. If not Perry, I'm looking for perhaps a Kasich or Pence to step up.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 16, 2014 11:05 AM (4+IgA)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:05 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: KGB at December 16, 2014 11:05 AM (F192H)
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I tend to agree. Clinton looks a lot better thanks to Obama's dismal performance. I think he would prefer to be remembered in that way. Frankly, I think HRC would prefer to be remembered as the "what might have been" rather than 2-time loser.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:05 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Peter F'ing King, 2016 Frontrunner at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (27BfC)
Posted by: Capt. GOPe, also known as the Rovian at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (f0pWu)
Posted by: Joey Biden at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (32Ze2)
Truth Revolt @TruthRevoltOrg
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Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:05 AM (ZPrif)
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That is actually a good point. Plus you know what you are going to get.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:03 AM (9BRsg)
Be sure to include a check with your message so you can be sure that it gets read.
*hic*
Posted by: John Boehner at December 16, 2014 11:07 AM (MPK82)
A giant, oozing, hemorrhoidal ass.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:07 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: I Loathe Silence Sensually at December 16, 2014 11:07 AM (xkSSa)
Talk about batting for the other team...LOL.
Posted by: LizLem at December 16, 2014 11:07 AM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM (5buP8)
Did anyone else read the DC piece linked in the dump about the eight rape hoaxes? My God. There are some seriously deranged people on the left. Almost all of those hoax stories were perpetrated by anti-rape activists to "raise awareness." What the everloving hell?!?!?! That's psychotic!
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM (KkVB6)
Or if Perry flames, some ticket involving Haley and/or Jindal. Maybe toss Condi in as VP.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: A dude in MI at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM (o2Jt2)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 11:09 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grimaldi at December 16, 2014 11:09 AM (dJSX8)
uggh... I know I see a lot of Rand Paul hate from some commentators here, and on other conservative leaning sites. But barring a bid by Perry or Walker, I think that's my guy should he enter the ring.
I was dismissing the possibility of a Warren Campaign, but I think what I'd like to see is a full fledged marxist progressive go head to head with a real legitimate fiscal conservative, take the social issues off the table or mute them to a degree. Lets have this out once and for all. I think we'd win. Just need to lock Ron away in a cave for a few years. We can't afford to nominate another mush mouth "conservative" with no legitimate interest in turning things around.
Was discussing this with a friend this morning, how luck we've been with Obama... he has been awful for sure, but he's such a malignant narcissist that he can't function politically. His cabinet is a non factor outside of Holder. If you had Bill Clinton's charisma and political saavy with Obama's agenda, we'd be living in an orwellian nightmare.
We are going to repeat the same thing from 4 years ago, we're going to get 50 guys in, have a million debate/circular firing squads and end up with the one who has the most expensive teflon suit.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:09 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:09 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 16, 2014 11:10 AM (GfPSp)
Right after he counted the zeros on the check from Microsoft.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:10 AM (5buP8)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 11:10 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 16, 2014 11:10 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:10 AM (n/ogz)
Also, scrap CommieCorp and start teaching the Three R's, then start lining up small government experts for his Cabinet. Then he needs to start shuttering Fedzilla's out-of-control unnecessary departments until we get to a 1960's-sized government again. He can begin by closing every department that has a SWAT team.
If he does that, then I'll vote for him.
If, however, he thinks I'll vote for some mealy-mouthed Repumpkin who's turn it is, he's in for a big disappointment. I don't want anyone who reaches across the aisle except to slap a Prog/Com, since that's all there are on the other side.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (0HooB)
Whig Powers! ACTIVATE!!!!
Posted by: Capt. GOPe, also known as the Rovian at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (f0pWu)
Wait, does this mean I am BACK?
Posted by: Lace Wigs Spam at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (0FSuD)
That's two strikes. One more and you're out.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (KAmzK)
I consider dragging out the "tru-con" canard to be a third strike, personally.
Posted by: Big McLargehuge at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (u9OP6)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM
Sorry, Y-not, but for me it would take a major catastrophe (or a major change in his circumstances) for me to support Jindal.
Not seeing much action from the dude. It would be like choosing Butch Otter as the candidate.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (yAC3X)
Much the same thing was said about the Adams Family Dynasty at the turn
of the century. It was spread all over the internet and TV that most
people didn't want an Adams Dynasty. True story.
Posted by: Joey Biden at December 16, 2014 11:06 AM (32Ze2)
Followup note: this was of course after Roosevelt's fireside chats on the TV. You can trust me I'm an expert...
Posted by: Joey "moar paste!" Biden at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:11 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (MPK82)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (32Ze2)
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Obviously it is way too early to speculate about VP, but it is fun to do. There are a lot of rules in selecting VP candidates, but my biggest rule is that it should not go to someone who is in a real position of influence. Thus, I would never want Cruz or Paul (not that they would be selected).
But with the right candidate, I think Condi would be a great choice. Somewhat Cheney-esque in that she probably would not be a front-runner for the Presidency assuming a two-term win.
I would never want her for the top of the ticket, but as a VP, she has a lot of positive qualities.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: President Warren at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (nFdGS)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 16, 2014 11:04 AM (zOTsN)
UVA alum?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (vgIRn)
233 Serious question. When did Jeb abandon school choice for common core as his education policy of choice?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:08 AM (gmeXX)
When his family started getting cash from the common core lobby.
Posted by: buzzion at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: ginaswo in yet another hotel while contractors tear out kitchen at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 16, 2014 11:00 AM (KAmzK)
Whats worse??? Teachers Unions are NOT against Common core...
some TEACHERS are... but all the Unions are behind it... They support it but bitch about the implementation....
Its like supporting Obamacare but bitching about the website.... you still support O'care.
Posted by: Capt. GOPe, also known as the Rovian at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (f0pWu)
A giant, oozing, hemorrhoidal ass.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:07 AM (A98Xu)
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Usually when somebody says "Let's have a conversation about-----" ..... what they are REALLY saying is "SIT DOWN and SHUT UP while I hector you on what total racist/misogynist/homophobe/xenophobe/greedy waste of air you are.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (NaV4z)
Anyone.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: brak at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (Tj+s6)
If he did that, he wouldn't be Jebbie Booosh.
That would make me feel better about him, but my position still stands: no more Bushes, no more Clintons, and no more Kennedys.
Not ever.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (yAC3X)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (NaV4z)
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Exactly.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 11:14 AM (XzRw1)
Also, can someone explain to me the fascination with Scott Walker? I do not get it. He knuckled down on public unions and won a recall and reelection, and this makes him viable for a presidential run how?
Posted by: Chef Mojo at December 16, 2014 10:30 AM (4G5ek)
I cannot spare this man: he fights.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2014 11:15 AM (TIIx5)
The days of W being in the 30s and Bush being a curse word are actually long gone. That was 6 years ago.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:15 AM (A98Xu)
Yes, Jeb Bush will have an impressive Rolodex to tap, but the rules of campaign have really changed. Big media buys are not nearly as important as they once were.
Look at Rick Perry, he came in the primary raising a bazillion dollars overnight, lead the primary polls, and was arguably the most powerful and successful elected Republican in the country but he crashed and burned very quickly. He ended up getting beat by the likes of Michelle Bachman.
Someone like a Rand Paul or Ted Cruz would have a small donor class that would overwhelm a Jeb Rolodex in my opinion. It would be similar to what we saw with Obama in 2008 where the average donation may be $20 but it really adds up.
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 11:15 AM (6wBEX)
^This.
And I don't care what any of them *say* they're going to do. We've just seen that campaign promises don't mean shit.
One of my problems with Rand Paul is that he has a very short public record. And even in that time he's had some problematic associations.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Peter F'ing King, 2016 Frontrunner at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (27BfC)
......................
Hee forget to say Feliz Navidad!
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (wAQA5)
************
KWANZAA?
Posted by: AL SHARPTON? at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (32Ze2)
How will he handle ISIS?
The next POTUS is going to have to take it to them hard and I can't see him doing that
Posted by: ginaswo in yet another hotel while contractors tear out kitchen at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: Ross Perot at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Chris M at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (k3w9p)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (NaV4z)
The dialogue on race is a monologue.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)
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True, but part of that is being out of the limelight. Jeb will remind people of things they didn't like about the Bush name. Again, its why I think for the Bush family legacy and the continued dynasty, Jeb was better off not running, preserving his son's opportunity in 15-25 years.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (vg8iE)
Posted by: AL SHARPTON? at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM
As we speak, I am building my Kwanzaa Hut....
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (yAC3X)
very short public record. And even in that time he's had some
problematic associations.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:16 AM (9BRsg)
Was he recently caught tongue bathing McConnell's scrote?
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (XzRw1)
Sure, Jeb is for amnesty, but it's irrelevant since it will be a done deal anyway.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:18 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (NaV4z)
That.... and its blatant violation of the MAN Rules... and is grounds for an immediate confiscation of the MAN Card.
Posted by: Capt. GOPe, also known as the Rovian at December 16, 2014 11:18 AM (f0pWu)
Posted by: ginaswo in yet another hotel while contractors tear out kitchen at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (2EgyQ)
The only, ONLY thing in the cronyomnibus bill that I can get behind is that it prevents the stupid Sage Grouse from being declared an endangered species for at least a year. You declare that, you completely shut down all oil and natural gas exploration in the West, because of course their stupid habitats are in those areas and the little buggers are everywhere. This is of course the environmentalists plan; I like to think they are weeping and gnashing their teeth over being thwarted for a year.But other than that the bill can DIAF.
Posted by: LizLem, wondering if Sage Grouse tastes like turkey at December 16, 2014 11:18 AM (yRwC8)
Posted by: CO at December 16, 2014 11:18 AM (TiOn5)
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (yAC3X)
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Kwanzaa Hut.
They make a pretty good hamburger....
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:19 AM (NaV4z)
I'd gladly vote for Cruz or Walker.
Since money is the only thing 'cards like Boner and Turtle understand,
is there any way currently that we could flood Cruz with donations?
I'm serious here. He's the only one who's stood up lately, so he should be rewarded.
Plus,
The whole reason Jeb's out there is to try and push Amnesty as the one and only choice-
I think it's a bit of a Kamikaze run on his part. Not to be elected - just to plant the flag for others to pick up on keeping amnesty and obamacare and common core.
- this would harsh that narrative if Cruz suddenly started receiving tons o'cash to run.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2014 11:19 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (32Ze2)"
That's fine, but he has shown he is able to sell the more palatable ideas of his father (of which there are many, clouded by some big time unpalatable ones) package them up with a pretty bow and make them seem reasonable. One of his fathers many flaws (if you can call it that) was he was a terrible politician, my way or the highway, one note all the time, ask him a softball question about austrian economics and he'll start in on how we are an empire, and we should sop all foreign entaglements.
Rand doesn't have that problem, and I think he's shown his willingness to compromise where is reasonable and needed.
I will take the spawn of the crazy old guy over some bush/christie/romney amalgum that will end up in failure to one of any number of democrats that should absolutely get crushed.
I'd like to see a libertarian style republican get a legitimate shot. Rand seems to be the best chance of that.
If you ask me who would I trust that would abide by their constitutional limits of aurhotity in light of what we have seen the last 6 years, I would say two men, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. I am afraid that Cruz has sort of become a joke in LIV circles (he's a rockstar for us, on this I agree), but the filibuster I think soiled his image for the rank and file vote every 4 years type. He, I think would suffer from the same problems a Palin candidacy would, they are cartoon characters now.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:19 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM
Between that and genetics -- he is, after all, Luap Nor's son -- he should be consigned to the ashbin of history.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 16, 2014 11:19 AM (yAC3X)
Cause I totally am.
That means I'm oppressed!
Will this Mexican son of an immigrant overcome America's racism and become President someday? Stay tuned!
Posted by: George P. Bush at December 16, 2014 11:20 AM (ZPrif)
Is Rueben sandwich running? I like those.
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (A98Xu)
Johnny Coldcuts 2016!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2014 11:20 AM (TIIx5)
Then there's few ways to exert any control/punishment to keep them honest.
I'll go for integrity somewhat over issues.
There are some red lines no one can cross without being dead to me though.
I'd much rather see someone be consistent with what they've said in the past and at every place they speak regardless of the crowd.
It's one of the reasons I was so suspicious of Mitt. I talked out of three sides of his mouth and had a bad history of being for things now he said he was against. Things that were so conveniently similar to the current attitude of conservatives.
I want a conservative that has always been conservative and has always voted conservative and has almost spoke as a conservative.
Fat Chance though.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (RZzX3)
Let's party like it's 1992.
Posted by: brak at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (Tj+s6)
Sure, why not? At least in 1992 the country wasn't on the brink of economic collapse and a race war.
Posted by: rickl at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (zoehZ)
I don't want Romney to run, but he'd be a world better than Jeb. I hope
this "exploratory committee" explores and finds that Jeb has no chance.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 16, 2014 10:21 AM (2cS/G)"
I disagree. Mitt Romney has already done enormous damage in two presidential elections by destroying a number of other Republicans who would have been better candidates and better Presidents and leaving us with eight years of the worst President in American history.
I am no fan of Jeb Bush but he is enormously preferable to Romney.
My true hope is that Jeb Bush and Romney destroy each other early on, leaving the field open for a Republican to win the nomination to be the Republican candidate for President.
Posted by: Mr.Wu at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (PD6iL)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:17 AM (A98Xu)
Was that the guy on The Partridge Family?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (W5DcG)
......................
Hee forget to say Feliz Navidad!
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (wAQA5)
What am I, chopped liver?!
Posted by: Mele Kalikimaka at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (yRwC8)
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tsk.... tsk....tsk....
Somebody will be along shortly to chastise you about "electibilty" and "embarrassing the party" and "go along to get along" and "icky teaparty types" any moment now.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: fairweatherbill holding dominion over the nether regions at December 16, 2014 11:22 AM (WFDo3)
Posted by: seems legit at December 16, 2014 11:22 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: ALH at December 16, 2014 11:22 AM (yAPdC)
I really don't like how he postured himself during the Ferguson stuff and during the Mississippi Senate primary crap.
He basically sells himself by a wink and a nod of "yeah, THOSE Republicans are kind of racist."
And there are other things not worth getting into.
A serious question I have is how in hell the Smart Set harps constantly on Cruz as being overly ambitious, but I never seem to notice them saying it by Rand.
It's clear Rand has promised to deliver Crazy Uncle's voters to whoever from the GOP offers him the best deal.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:22 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at December 16, 2014 11:23 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 11:23 AM (W5DcG)
I am no fan of Jeb Bush but he is enormously preferable to Romney.
My true hope is that Jeb Bush and Romney destroy each other early on, leaving the field open for a Republican to win the nomination to be the Republican candidate for President.
Posted by: Mr.Wu at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (PD6iL)"
yes this... get Reince Preibus on the line, change the party rules, all candidates must declare by march of next year, primaries are cancelled, they will all go into a room and beat each other to death, last man or woman standing is the nominee.
This is the only way to avoid a repeat of 2012, we're going to have people in there with no shot of winning who are there to just destroy other people.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:23 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:12 AM (gmeXX)Do you really want me to list the VPswho succeeded their predecessors the hard way? It isn't a job for nobodies. John Adams bitched about the uselessness of the job but it was a measure of Washington's high estimation of him that he had the job in the first place.
Posted by: troyriser at December 16, 2014 11:23 AM (f56b1)
Hee forget to say Feliz Navidad!
Posted by: wth at December 16, 2014 11:13 AM (wAQA5)
Ahemmm...
Posted by: Festavus and Kwanza at December 16, 2014 11:24 AM (5buP8)
Six Reasons Conservatives Oppose Jeb http://bit.ly/1xplFEL via @BreitbartNews
#5 Jeb has refused to sign the Americans for Tax Reform pledge not to raise taxes.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:24 AM (ZPrif)
Pretty sure he's running.
I read that he was meeting with some former Romney "bundlers" in California last weekend.
I would love to be able to run on Texas' record. That said, if he stumbles out of the gate, I hope he quickly throws his support behind one of the stronger conservatives.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:24 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: ginaswo's urge to order Room Service rising at December 16, 2014 11:24 AM (2EgyQ)
Except that that rider did not enhance Free Speech at all... because it told you WHERE you have to direct that Speech (since money is speech).
You have to give it to a Political Party....
Thus, you may speak FOR a political Party, by giving them your money... or you may shut up.
Posted by: Big Bad Wolf, Huffin and Puffin... at December 16, 2014 11:25 AM (f0pWu)
Except that that rider did not enhance Free Speech at all... because it told you WHERE you have to direct that Speech (since money is speech).
You have to give it to a Political Party....
Thus, you may speak FOR a political Party, by giving them your money... or you may shut up.
Posted by: Big Bad Wolf, Huffin and Puffin... at December 16, 2014 11:25 AM (f0pWu)
Posted by: Sarah Palin
Throw in a nationally televised pole dance competition in place of a debate and I'm in.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 16, 2014 11:25 AM (UVfht)
Posted by: CO at December 16, 2014 11:25 AM (TiOn5)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:26 AM (5buP8)
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:26 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: ALH at December 16, 2014 11:26 AM (yAPdC)
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:26 AM (JBggj)
We sense cuts within jibs within newsletters.
Posted by: 3rd Stage Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell's Neck Fat at December 16, 2014 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Drunk Peggy Noonan at December 16, 2014 11:27 AM (UzPAd)
I hear some young market genius at Stuy HS in NY is opening a hedge fund, Steve Glass highly recommends him, try there
Posted by: ginaswo's urge to order Room Service rising at December 16, 2014 11:27 AM (2EgyQ)
Rand Paul is more dovish than I would like, but I absolutely loathe the super hawk neocon types like McCain and Graham that want to invade very hot spot in the Middle East.
Regarding ISIS, I think they should be taken out but I'm also sane enough to realize that the Middle East is going to have crazy groups cutting people's head off until the end of time.
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 11:28 AM (6wBEX)
Bush is just another run of the mill RINO.
Like what Shatterhand is saying, my hope is that they both run and damage eachother the way Romney's hyperfunded campaign damaged all the conservatives in 2012, but I think they are too politically savvy to do that. Romney's campaign was harsh towards the other candidates, ultimately running on an argument of 'I made them unelectable so elect the electable one' why anyone thought electable meant Romney is completely beyond me. If we nominate either of these guys of course they will lose the general.
Posted by: Dustin at December 16, 2014 11:28 AM (a7sQX)
It's clear Rand has promised to deliver Crazy Uncle's voters to whoever from the GOP offers him the best deal.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:22 AM (9BRsg)"
It's just that they settled on making Cruz into snidely whiplash, and it's a done deal now, so anything he does gets heightened scrutiny. The filibuster was a mistake in my mind since it was all prearranged with Harry Reid and made him look silly in some ways. The usual media types are latching on to that.
Just my two cents, I like Cruz a lot, but I don't think he'd get very far at this point. Frankly I'd like both him and Paul to chill out for a few years. We've been complaining for years about a junior senator with no experience as president, then we go nominate one.
My point with Paul is merely, if the choice is one of these half baked moderate stooges, or him, I'd like to see him take a crack at it in the general election.
Paul vs. Warren, should be a nixonian/reagan style bloodbath of red states. I feel like with a centrist squish we may well lose, even though I think she's unelectable, we'd find a way to screw it up.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:28 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2014 11:29 AM (Zmw74)
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:26 AM (JBggj)
We sense cuts within jibs within newsletters.
Posted by: 3rd Stage Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell's Neck Fat at December 16, 2014 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)
There are killing words... and maiming words...
but when I say Jebbush... all I get is a big 'meh'....
Posted by: Muab Dib at December 16, 2014 11:29 AM (f0pWu)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 16, 2014 11:29 AM (j6e8f)
I think you spelled "Saruman" wrong
Posted by: Chico Esquella at December 16, 2014 11:29 AM (K44uE)
Bush 2016 - dynasties rock
Bush 2016 - I'll drive off the cliff slower
Bush 2016 - I hate conservatives as much as you do.
Bush 2016 - I don't mind if you vote for Hillary
Posted by: duke at December 16, 2014 11:30 AM (ChY2Q)
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Given my choice of Ted Cruz in the Senate or Ted Cruz as VP, I prefer Ted Cruz in Senate.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:30 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: phreshone at December 16, 2014 11:30 AM (LoIJo)
I'll go for integrity somewhat over issues.
There are some red lines no one can cross without being dead to me though.
I'd much rather see someone be consistent with what they've said in the past and at every place they speak regardless of the crowd.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 16, 2014 11:21 AM (RZzX3)
I've always thought that a truly conservative candidate could actually appeal to the center by stressing the integrity angle. "We don't have to agree on every issue, but you know my principles, you know I'll stick to those principles, so there are no surprises." For almost every candidate, in every election on either side of the spectrum, the main question is always "can I believe what this asshole is telling me, or are they blowing smoke up my butt to get my vote?"
Of course, we have no idea whether integrity will actually work, because almost no politician in US history has ever really tried it.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2014 11:30 AM (TIIx5)
If she wants the job.
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:31 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: phreshone at December 16, 2014 11:31 AM (LoIJo)
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The motion having been made, a quorum being present, and with no dissenting votes cast, the motion is passed by acclamation.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 11:32 AM (F2IAQ)
Yes Romney's evil plan to destroy the other candidates was to win the primary. If he was a true American he would have run and let someone else win.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 16, 2014 11:32 AM (bLhAC)
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If you want to break from politics as usual, he's as good a place to start as any. He may not be my top choice (right at this moment), but I would happily support him if he were the candidate (unless something new develops).
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:32 AM (gmeXX)
And, as Sarah Palin reminded us a few years ago...
VP IS the President of the Senate...
Could you imagine what would have happened to Harry Reid's power if a Sarah had been VP????
With Reid's obstruction of votes, she would have walked into the Senate and forced votes.... or a Constitutional crises...
Posted by: Muab Dib at December 16, 2014 11:33 AM (f0pWu)
Boehner and the GOP leadership have just proven that we will be governed Democrats regardless which party holds the majority.
Posted by: Sam In VA at December 16, 2014 11:33 AM (Q52VH)
We could save time by just letting those couple thousand people vote.
Plus we'll save money by only needing to have voting booths in NY, DC, Chicago and LA.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:33 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: John McCain at December 16, 2014 11:33 AM (/eTPT)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 16, 2014 11:34 AM (ZPrif)
VP IS the President of the Senate...
Could you imagine what would have happened to Harry Reid's power if a Sarah had been VP????
With Reid's obstruction of votes, she would have walked into the Senate and forced votes.... or a Constitutional crises...
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Unless she was the tie-casting vote, I don't think she would have had much influence at all in the Senate.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: phreshone at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (LoIJo)
I could see a value in him participating in early debates or pre-primary venues to help get the conversation focused. But I don't think 2016 is his year. And he's young enough that there's no rush.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (9BRsg)
That photo needs to be spread far and wide.
Posted by: rickl at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (zoehZ)
If she wants the job.
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:31 AM (JBggj)
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I like Sarah. She is literally persecuted by the press. I like alot of her ideas.
But there aint now way in hell shes going to be the Republican Nominee.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (NaV4z)
Like him or hate him , GWB had integrity.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (bLhAC)
I would like to see Sarah Palin educate me through the art of activist dance.
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 11:14 AM (XzRw1)
I am going for a private prayer meeting in a sauna in the Arctic circle looking at Russia while we practice massage treatments.
NAKED!
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)
If she wants the job.
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:31 AM (JBggj)
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I like Sarah. She is literally persecuted by the press. I like alot of her ideas.
But there aint now way in hell shes going to be the Republican Nominee.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (NaV4z)"
I loved her at the time, but she's done in politics
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:36 AM (n/ogz)
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That's probably the way to bet, but there are always second acts in life. Who really knows what the future holds for her. All I know is she is much more influential in the political world than a lot of people give her credit for. Palin still has the power to move voters.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:37 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (bLhAC)
Yes and thank G-d he was the president on 9/11.
That said, he and GOP congress grew the government, borrowed and spent more than all presidents combined. Until the coming of SCOAMF.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 16, 2014 11:38 AM (CMkNk)
candidates was to win the primary. If he was a true American he would
have run and let someone else win.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at December 16, 2014 11:32 AM (bLhAC)"
Romney ran a vicious nomination campaign in 2008 and 2012. That might be forgivable if he had been equally vicious when he ran against Obama in 2012 but when he ran against a Democrat, suddenly he was a squishy milqtoast. Not to mention that Romney demonstrated that his vaunted competence was a myth by the spectacularly incompetent Orca disaster.
Why anybody thinks that pile of fail deserves yet another chance is a mystery to me.
Posted by: Mr.Wu at December 16, 2014 11:38 AM (PD6iL)
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Kinda OT. My wife' uncle is having heart surgery today at age 93. He fought in two wars, WWII and Korea, then became an alcoholic bum riding the rails for decades. Despite all his hard living, he has been in good shape and is tough enough to pull through this.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 16, 2014 11:38 AM (j6e8f)
My history in manufacturing makes me an issue oriented guy. Problems need to be solved, not just talked about. Action gets things done, not vapid vagaries.
The Real World Rawks, except we don't have anybody who's ready to start tackling the real issues. We have an unsustainable debt that will collapse our economy if something isn't done to stop it very soon. That's a very real danger (one of many) that no one dares speak of, for reasons that escape me.
I want a Realist to vote for, not some Disney caricature. I want someone who will embrace capitalism and have the cojones to tell the Prog/Coms where to stuff their totalitarianism.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 11:39 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (NaV4z)
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2016 will be a reform cycle with a Trust election. Palin pegs the meter. And she's electrifying on the campaign trail. And she has 4.5 million facebook followers. "My dear friends, if you send me $10 OR MORE to my 2016 exploratory committee, we can send a message to Washington that will be heard."
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:39 AM (JBggj)
If we can get one good overall non-establishment candidate, maybe a field of all RINO's will form a circular firing squad and pave the way for a Cruz or Walker.
In any case, I will stay home if we get another RINO. After what happened last week with the Cromnibus, it is evident that we have no party.
I am now in favor of some path toward a viable 3rd party as well as accelerating with all speed the Article V process.
Either the GOP-e goes, or I go.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 16, 2014 11:40 AM (CMkNk)
super hawk neocon types like McCain and Graham that want to invade very
hot spot in the Middle East. "
Neocon, shmeocon. Why not just say "kike"? You know you want to.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 16, 2014 11:40 AM (8Fl6F)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 16, 2014 11:41 AM (PD6iL)
The Sexist Card is a pale imitation of the Racist Card.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:41 AM (ZPrif)
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I wouldn't mind if she threw her hat into the ring. It would make the primary more fun to follow, that is for sure.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:41 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: 4 million missing Republican voters at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (27BfC)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 16, 2014 11:41 AM (PD6iL)
San Francisco COCK SUCKA!!!!!!
Posted by: EC at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (GQ8sn)
Lots of pearl clutching this morning.
Anyone who didn't know this was coming has been asleep for months.
OK, you Republicans, whatcha gonna do when Jeb comes for you?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (sH832)
I have been getting progressively more abrupt with each RNC call. They don't take hints, even obvious ones, like "No, I'm not interested in donating, based on how you squandered every bit of leverage last week."
Posted by: jakeman at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (Wq40h)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:37 AM (gmeXX)"
She may still have some influence, I mean you can see here and on other sites the legion of die hard supporters are still out there, but that 20% or whatever of the population wont get her elected. The left has destroyed her, on a national level I don't think there is anyway past what they have done. She could be channeling Reagan's ghost, and it wouldn't matter, for the LIV's she's a cartoon.
That's my worry with Cruz, was just speaking to a co-worker this morning, and he went off on cruz... totally unjustifed, but for the non-political junkies a picture has been painted, the first exposure to him is reading green eggs and ham on the senate floor, first impressions count.
Not sure if he's so damaged yet, but I think big damage was done there, and I think it was all avoidable, since the "filibuster" was meaningless except to promote the brand of Ted Cruz.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:43 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:37 AM (gmeXX)"
She may still have some influence, I mean you can see here and on other sites the legion of die hard supporters are still out there, but that 20% or whatever of the population wont get her elected. The left has destroyed her, on a national level I don't think there is anyway past what they have done. She could be channeling Reagan's ghost, and it wouldn't matter, for the LIV's she's a cartoon.
That's my worry with Cruz, was just speaking to a co-worker this morning, and he went off on cruz... totally unjustifed, but for the non-political junkies a picture has been painted, the first exposure to him is reading green eggs and ham on the senate floor, first impressions count.
Not sure if he's so damaged yet, but I think big damage was done there, and I think it was all avoidable, since the "filibuster" was meaningless except to promote the brand of Ted Cruz.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:43 AM (n/ogz)
Everyday was Festivus at our house when I was growing up!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 16, 2014 11:43 AM (uSAVP)
Repubs will never do something similar.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:43 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:35 AM (gmeXX)
The rule of the Senate, are just that... rules... they do not trump the Constitution...
And the Constitution says that the VP is President of the Senate...
What that means, has never been litigated in a Court of Law...
But neither has the absolute Power grab that Harry Reid has shown over the past few years....
Posted by: Muab Dib at December 16, 2014 11:43 AM (f0pWu)
Oh and there's no such thing as the establishment, right?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2014 11:44 AM (TG6EC)
Posted by: Talibill at December 16, 2014 11:44 AM (FGZtn)
I really thought she would run in 2012. I suspect the party movers and shakers sat her down and told her "over our dead bodies".
Therefore, I think a third party run by her would really shake things up and force people to choose sides.
Posted by: rickl at December 16, 2014 11:45 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:45 AM (ZPrif)
I still love Sarah Palin: We were watching her keynote at the 2008 Convention with my 2 young daughters. They saw a strong, funny, engaging conservative woman, and it really lit their fuse. They do all kinds of conservative activist stuff now.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:45 AM (5buP8)
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (1Y+hH)
Call GOPe Busters?
Posted by: GOPe Busters, we're here to believe YOU! at December 16, 2014 11:45 AM (f0pWu)
We will moderate on the beaches, we will moderate in the fields....
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: 4 million missing Republican voters at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (27BfC)
The only reason to vote for a RINO in general is foreign policy. Our allies, especially Israel, have been weakened and our enemies emboldened. Even RINO's don't hate America. That said, Iran should've been taken down a long time ago and no party is innocent on that score.
From the domestic side, the sad hard reality is that it makes no difference who controls the strings in DC since the GOP-e is more than happy to just profit from the destruction wrought by the Democrats.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (CMkNk)
Posted by: phreshone at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (LoIJo)
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Word.
Im not sure who loathes her more, the Left .... or the GOPe.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (NaV4z)
DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 4m4 minutes ago
65% of Children Live in Households on Federal Aid Programs... http://drudge.tw/1vVZizV
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 11:42 AM (1Y+hH)
Call GOPe Busters?
Posted by: GOPe Busters, we're here to believe YOU! at December 16, 2014 11:45 AM (f0pWu)
GOPe is filmed live. All Republicans are considered conservatives until proven otherwise in Congress.
Posted by: EC at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (GQ8sn)
Repubs will never do something similar.
On the contrary, I fully expect them to run the most leftist candidate.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 11:47 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Chico Esquella at December 16, 2014 11:47 AM (K44uE)
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Frankly, I'm for a big nomination battle with a lot of serious nominees. If Mitt, Jeb and Christie all want to run - great. If Cruz and Paul want to run - great. If Perry, Walker, Kaisch, and Jindal want to run - great. May the best man/woman win. This is the big leagues. Go out there and make your case. The winner will be so battle tested that HRC or Lizzie won't know what him them.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:47 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 11:47 AM (0HooB)
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How???
Hi!! How are ya??
Posted by: Liz Warren at December 16, 2014 11:48 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 16, 2014 11:48 AM (wVBo0)
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uummmm...ME TOO
Posted by: Lizzy Warren at December 16, 2014 11:48 AM (/eTPT)
I don't know what he is thinking. He came down to speak for Tillis and he is BORING as shit. I mean BORING.
I do NOT think Rove is behind this, he doesn't get along with Jeb, but for money he would suck anyone's dick.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 11:48 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 16, 2014 11:49 AM (/eTPT)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:47 AM (gmeXX)"
In principle I agree with you, I think in practice though we end up trashing ourselves too much, I think we saw that last go around. I don't know what they can do different to compete on ideas and leave the political destruction for the general election. We don't need to do the dems dirty work, but no way to avoid it.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (wVBo0)
For me its a choice between a real crazy funny guy, or a super radical extremist who'll push harder on the back of the boat so it sinks faster, to get it over with. There's nobody who runs who'll fix it. We had that chance and missed it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (39g3+)
Good thing we fought a revolution against a monarchy, eh?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (0HooB)
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There is a difference between the two. Both are ideological similar, but their backgrounds are very different. They can try, but Cruz will be much more difficult to take down than Palin was. He was educated in their backyard. He has been dealing with this his whole adult life. He does not have the need to make money that Palin does. He has played in the Senate box. He is a debate champion. He is an organized candidate.
They can try to Palinize him, but it will be a much more difficult task.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:51 AM (gmeXX)
This is a tragedy. 35% of American children are just out there on their own, probably starving as they wander the streets!
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 11:51 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:47 AM (gmeXX)"
In principle I agree with you, I think in practice though we end up trashing ourselves too much, I think we saw that last go around. I don't know what they can do different to compete on ideas and leave the political destruction for the general election. We don't need to do the dems dirty work, but no way to avoid it.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (n/ogz)
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And all the money spent on the primary that isn't spent on the general.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (Bn6aD)
Does anybody even remotely worth a damn even exist?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (wVBo0)
I am tan, rested and ready!
Posted by: Zombie Trickie Dick at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (0FSuD)
His cheer-leading for CommonCore will net him lots of Silicon Valley bucks too.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (5buP8)
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I'm going to take off my shirt (pants are already off) and storm artound the trailer park like an angry drunken moron. I think that's the accepted protocol.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (JC8Tj)
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (/jpU8)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:51 AM (gmeXX)"
I think the fallout from the filibuster has already gone a long way in doing that. If you talk to folks outside of your political circle, I think the opinion of him is not high. He's viewed as a side show joke, regardless of his credentials.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:52 AM (n/ogz)
DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 4m4 minutes ago
65% of Children Live in Households on Federal Aid Programs... http://drudge.tw/1vVZizV
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 11:46 AM (ZPrif)
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Something tells me that 100% of this group will be on welfare for life.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 11:53 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: GOP idiots at December 16, 2014 11:54 AM (NUCTk)
Nood. But you cant get in....
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:54 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Chillin the most at December 16, 2014 11:54 AM (wWs6x)
Posted by: EC at December 16, 2014 11:55 AM (GQ8sn)
But he has plenty of time to build his resume.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:55 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:56 AM (5buP8)
Posted by: Paladin at December 16, 2014 11:57 AM (QGbEp)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 11:58 AM (HDwDg)
Posted by: NCKate at December 16, 2014 11:58 AM (FPQut)
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at December 16, 2014 11:50 AM (n/ogz)
____________
And all the money spent on the primary that isn't spent on the general.
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The last election did not have the candidates that this nomination should have. And one who was just not ready for prime time for whatever reason (Perry) who should be much better if he runs this time. So difficult to compare last election to this one.
I dismiss that a hard fought primary that takes money hurts you in a general from a money perspective. I think it helps you because you have been battle tested.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:58 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 11:58 AM (0HooB)
conservative reforms on energy, healthcare, tax reform and education,
and give the president the opportunity to do the will of the American
people. Let him decide if he wants to be constructive, or if he wants to
conclude his presidency as a liberal obstructionist ideologue who
vetoes everything
Link in nick.
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 11:59 AM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 16, 2014 11:56 AM (5buP
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heh....
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 11:59 AM (NaV4z)
Posted by: buzzion at December 16, 2014 12:00 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 11:51 AM (gmeXX)"
I think the fallout from the filibuster has already gone a long way in doing that. If you talk to folks outside of your political circle, I think the opinion of him is not high. He's viewed as a side show joke, regardless of his credentials.
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That is no doubt true, but Cruz will remain in the Senate for the next 4 years and not become a Fox contributor. He will have plenty of future battles to continue to build his brand.
The establishment may not like him, but Cruz will get a coveted speaker slot at the 2016 convention. They will use him when they have to.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 12:00 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: anon a mouse at December 16, 2014 12:00 PM (/jpU8)
** those assholes. I give them a new thread and NOBODY's bothering to comment. Ungrateful pricks.....***
Posted by: FiTzwOrtH at December 16, 2014 12:00 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 12:00 PM (XzRw1)
Real issues are ignored and the only liars we're allowed to vote for think we're idiots.
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 12:01 PM (0HooB)
Hmmmmm.
Naaaaaaaaah. We're just going to cave and give Obama what he wants.
Posted by: John Boehner at December 16, 2014 12:01 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: John Boehner at December 16, 2014 12:01 PM (zt+N6)
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Fcuk You John.
"Caving" implies you made a stand but decided to concede after the fact.
YOU never even made an initial stand. Fcuker.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 12:04 PM (NaV4z)
You're right about the difficulty. I assume they will rise to the challenge and do what it takes to vilify Cruz and anyone else rocks the boat.
Sorry that I'm unable to muster optimism in this area but the chief source of my overarching cynicism toward the "Republicans" is how they jumped at echoing the Democrat on Palin and Cruz and others.
Posted by: Chico Esquella at December 16, 2014 12:04 PM (K44uE)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 16, 2014 12:04 PM (hp71M)
Looking forward, let's assume it's a moderate against Hill or the Squaw Heiress.
If the moderate R gets elected, the coat tails will add a bit more to the R majority.
What's a moderate R president going to do, veto what a somewhat conservative Congress passes?
Look around. The world is falling apart and we are worrying about Common Core? It's probably the least of the problems in education.
Worry over illegals? Too late, that war was lost long ago. Just be glad almost none of them are Muslims.
I'm voting for fiscal sanity and a strong defense posture.
Assuming the R candidate displays at least a passing interest in such things. If not, the work continues at levels of govt closer to the people.
What else is there to do? I've already got my next two escape hatches ready if it all falls apart.
I'd be fine with Jeb if his last name Smith.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 12:05 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 16, 2014 12:05 PM (hp71M)
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No, there is another...Scott Walker
Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2014 12:06 PM (hdpay)
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Its a legtimite complaint. I think Palin fought back succesfully, and partly hurt her own cause for the very real need to capitalize on her success through Fox News. Cruz has seen the playbook, should not be surprised by it, and does not have the same monetary issues. I think he'll survive and be better for it.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 12:06 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 16, 2014 12:04 PM (hp71M)
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Well..... where do you think the phrase..... "on the Fritz" came from.
As in.... "the comments are on the Fritz again"..
Posted by: fixerupper at December 16, 2014 12:06 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: RWC - Shopping for Justice! at December 16, 2014 12:07 PM (fWAjv)
As in.... "the comments are on the Fritz again"..
So I wasn't the only one to notice.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (Ua6T/)
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He would, but he would in all likelihood not win. We tried this before. Perot got lots of votes. But he didn't win one state. But hey that doesn't mean it can't be tried again. The American experiment should always be in the experiment role.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (TG6EC)
Posted by: maddogg at December 16, 2014 10:23 AM (xWW96)
Then prepare yourself for the bitter, nose-in-the-air reproaches of those Republican dead-enders who will hiss, "Then YOU are responsible for Hilary being in the White House right now. Congratulations."
Yes, you. You, Joe "maddogg" Schmoe, of 123 Maple Drive, Vanillatown, USA. You can write to your congressman until fingers fall off, join Tea Party rallies and march peacefully all the way to Washington DC, and the Republican Party won't even acknowledge that you exist. But defy them, and suddenly you're endowed with the power of Zeus, which you foolishly throw away for the benefit of their enemies.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (VBbCO)
democrat party, that candidate would get lots of voters from both
parties.
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No, there is another...Scott Walker
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I'm curious about this. Is there much/any evidence that Walker pulls Democrat and Indy votes?
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: THE BARREL at December 16, 2014 12:09 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 12:05 PM (1Y+hH)
Uh.... have you been paying attention, AT ALL, to what will be the Republican Congressional Leadership? Their ACTIONS???
The Congress may be more Republican, but with Moderates and Statists in leadership positions... we will get nothing but more government out of Congress.
Posted by: GOPe Busters, we're here to believe YOU! at December 16, 2014 12:09 PM (f0pWu)
Posted by: tu3031 at December 16, 2014 12:10 PM (i0wGQ)
Posted by: Cathy McMorris-Rogers at December 16, 2014 12:11 PM (XzRw1)
And there are no comments available.
sounds about right to me.
Posted by: seamrog at December 16, 2014 12:11 PM (hFAQK)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 16, 2014 12:11 PM (ulJ9/)
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 11:39 AM (JBggj)
I want Palin to run for the same reason I want Cruz to run.
Reagan was painted as the stupidest, most evil man alive by the Dims and the MSM but when people actually saw him and heard him...well, they changed their minds.
The same thing could happen with Cruz and Palin, esp. Cruz the guy oozes smart, real smart, not faux "smart" Oblabla craps out.
I think both could remake their images.
Plus,
We need to be smarter politically as conservatives and run our own kamikaze candidates, who are there mainly to take out RINOs and GOPe brown-nosers,
if they win so much the better.
We need more happy warriors and both fill that bill.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2014 12:11 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 16, 2014 12:11 PM (2vRRd)
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"Rand Paul is more dovish than I would like, but I absolutely loathe the
super hawk neocon types like McCain and Graham that want to invade very
hot spot in the Middle East. "
Neocon, shmeocon. Why not just say "kike"? You know you want to.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Except neither McCain nor Graham are Jewish. So there goes that idiot theory.
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 12:12 PM (6wBEX)
Posted by: Baldy at December 16, 2014 12:12 PM (+35FH)
Posted by: buzzion at December 16, 2014 12:12 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Morons sitting in judgment of Fritz at December 16, 2014 12:12 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: GOPe Busters, we're here to believe YOU! at December 16, 2014 12:09 PM (f0pWu)
Buzzkiller!
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 12:13 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 16, 2014 12:13 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Fritz at December 16, 2014 12:13 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 16, 2014 12:14 PM (ulJ9/)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 16, 2014 12:15 PM (hp71M)
Posted by: buzzion at December 16, 2014 12:16 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 16, 2014 12:16 PM (2vRRd)
Should I get into such a conversation, I shall inform said Republican that it doesn't work that way. I, like most of the base, will actually turnout. We will vote for the RINO. That will not cause the loss.
The loss will be caused because we, the base, are the ground troops. Any time not spent picking the right clothespin for election day will be spent smoothing our own ruffled feathers. That time will NOT be spent working the phones, holding signs, etc.
Go ahead, piss on and off the base.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2014 12:18 PM (Ua6T/)
He would, but he would in all likelihood not win. We tried this before. Perot got lots of votes. But he didn't win one state. But hey that doesn't mean it can't be tried again. The American experiment should always be in the experiment role.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (gmeXX)
The Perot reference isn't completely fair given that he had sabotaged himself at the peak of his popularity during the '92 election by dropping out (because of Republicans wanting to disrupt his daughter's wedding, natch) and hopping back in. Given that he had proven himself flaky, he had no chance in '96.
Posted by: Big McLargehuge at December 16, 2014 12:19 PM (u9OP6)
Posted by: Chillin the most at December 16, 2014 11:54 AM (wWs6x)
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Don't get too excited. In 2012 I knew a few people who said the same thing. They didn't like Obama, they thought voting for him was a mistake in 2008, blah blah blah. In the end, who did they vote for in 2012? Obama. Why? Because Romney was too rich or too Mormon or too something or not enough something.
Your friend will vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 12:19 PM (0LHZx)
Yea, I don't think someone NOT wanting to invade Syria and fight alongside Al Queda in a civil war makes a person a closet anti-Semite, but that charge gets thrown around whenever someone questions the "super hawks".
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 12:20 PM (6wBEX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 16, 2014 12:23 PM (wVBo0)
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 12:20 PM (6wBEX)
I want to nuke the entire ME while somehow leaving Israel pristine. What does that make me?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 16, 2014 12:25 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Meremortal
Sounds good to me.
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 12:26 PM (6wBEX)
Posted by: Y-not at December 16, 2014 12:08 PM (9BRsg)
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Other than the fact he's won three elections in a purple state that has not voted for a Republican Presidential candidate since Reagan, wining independents 54-43 in the last election....hmmmm, no.
Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2014 12:33 PM (hdpay)
Posted by: sauropod at December 16, 2014 12:34 PM (G/vW6)
If Bush is the nominee I'm voting for Warren.
BURN
IT
ALL
DOWN
Posted by: ThomasD at December 16, 2014 12:39 PM (sQrmC)
My political dream for the summer of 2016 is a Ted Cruz insurgency
battle all the way to the convention causing the establishment to drop
Bush in favor of a compromise candidate of Scott Walker.
A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 10:51 AM (gmeXX)
I like it . . . I like it . . .
Hell, RINOs have been running faux-conservatives for years, isn't it time to try a faux-RINO?
Posted by: filbert at December 16, 2014 10:58 AM (h6Mpm)
*************And then Walker can appoint Cruz, Gowdy, Mike Lee (Sessions stays in Senate he is powerful there) to critical positions. And West -- SecDef
Posted by: gracepmc at December 16, 2014 12:43 PM (xvd51)
Posted by: Bob Belcher
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You know, excepting the fact that one must have considerable drive to seek public office, I've never had the impression that GWB was driven politically..., that he was a power-grasping politician. The contrast with, say, the Clintons, was night and day.
I also believe that at heart, he had the best interests of the nation at heart, and could relate to ordinary people pretty well.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 12:43 PM (F2IAQ)
My political dream for the summer of 2016 is a Ted Cruz insurgency
battle all the way to the convention causing the establishment to drop
Bush in favor of a compromise candidate of Scott Walker.
Awesome scenario, SH.
Posted by: VA MK Z at December 16, 2014 12:47 PM (RjkRJ)
This.
And it is the primary reason (pun intended) why he should NOT be supported ever again.
Posted by: VA MK Z at December 16, 2014 12:49 PM (RjkRJ)
Wow. What a foetid pile of crap. I made a conscious choice not to vote in the midterms cause I knew the first thing the Repugs would do was bend over and take it up the rear. And they did.
Heads or tails. It doesn't matter. It's a bad penny. I will never vote again.
Posted by: Justin Case at December 16, 2014 01:04 PM (QjWoa)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 16, 2014 01:08 PM (6gk77)
Posted by: McAdams at December 16, 2014 12:12 PM (6wBEX)
Except that the term "neocon" was invented by the Left as an anti-Semite dogwhistle. So why use it, if you profess to be of the right? Why use the enemy's slurs as descriptors of people on our own side?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 16, 2014 01:12 PM (8Fl6F)
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at December 16, 2014 01:36 PM (K44uE)
Nothing in the political world gives me greater pleasure than denying the self-entitled what they assume is their due. Taking them down a peg or two or three, discouraging them terribly, is a tremendous delight.
Posted by: bour3 at December 16, 2014 03:13 PM (5x3+2)
Jeb and Mitt are both 'moderates', albeit I realize Mitt describes himself as progressive and severely conservative depending on the audience. I guess that translates to confused moderate. They were both governors, but Mitt's tenure was a disaster and he was very unpopular by the time his single term finally ended, whereas Jeb was a very successful governor. Both are in favor of amnesty, but Mitt was stalwartly opposed a two years ago (in other words, both are wrong, but at least one didn't lie about his views).
And then there's the Gruber thing. Obama's use of this weasel Gruber says so much about his dishonest character and lack of respect for our voters. But he got Gruber from Romney, who also praised the guy warmly. If you've thought Gruber says something about Obama's administration, you would be intellectually dishonest not to note that the same is true for Mitt.
Jeb campaigns pretty well. Romney's 2012 campaign was run ineptly, to say the least. It was the only recent test of Romney's management under pressure since he began his career of losing elections 22 years ago.
So I hope Romney's fans reconsider Jeb. He's still a RINO, but a less ridiculous one.
Posted by: Dustin at December 16, 2014 03:59 PM (a7sQX)
Posted by: memyselfandI at December 16, 2014 04:24 PM (4omat)
Posted by: Regmodels.ru at December 16, 2014 06:32 PM (eIfCM)
Plus W was governor of Texas and that's a plus in my book.
Posted by: RGallegos at December 16, 2014 11:18 PM (AVODN)
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