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Here's a Surprise: Republican Congressman Claims the Republican Leadership Lied to Him To Get His Vote for the Cromnibus
I know, I know. I just rocked your world.
Your world is spinning. You just can't believe it.Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) says that House GOP leadership--he hasn't identified anyone in particular--duped him into switching his vote on the procedural measure that set up the 1,774-page, $1.1 trillion cromnibus spending bill backed by House Speaker John Boehner and President Barack Obama to pass. ... Stutzman says he switched his vote on the floor because House GOP leadership--again, he doesn't name anyone: whether it was Boehner himself, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Majority Whip Steve Scalise or an aide--promised him that if the rule passed, the cromnibus would be replaced by a short-term spending measure. This Continuing Resolution (CR) would last until early next year when the newly elected GOP majority in the Senate takes over. "Earlier today, I supported the Rule because I was informed by Leadership that the CROmnibus was dead and a short term CR would take its place," Stutzman said in the statement. "I was very surprised and even more disappointed to see the CROmnibus back on the floor. The American people deserve better."Some people are claiming this is all false-- but interestingly, they claim it's false that John Boehner told Stutzman this. It's left open whether anyone else might have tod Stutzman this tall tale.
I do think conservatives should seriously consider my suggestion that we pick 10 or 12 (I'm upping the number) Republican Congressmen and absolutely tank them in 2016. First, they get a primary, and if the primary fails to dislodge them, we give the seat to the Democrats. We actively vote for the Democrat. Whatever happens, we retire their asses.
Nonetheless, other highly-connected Capitol Hill sources who wished to remain anonymous say there is an element of truth to what Stutzman is saying... "I heard about the promise from several sources, and Stutzman wasn't the only one to whom it was made. He was just the only one who bought it," said one highly-connected Capitol Hill source.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Buck Farky at December 12, 2014 07:58 PM (0wiDy)
Posted by: exhippie at December 12, 2014 07:59 PM (diO8t)
Posted by: Buck Farky at December 12, 2014 07:59 PM (0wiDy)
Posted by: kerncon at December 12, 2014 08:00 PM (BMbQB)
Posted by: kerncon at December 12, 2014 08:00 PM (BMbQB)
A lot of people sold out, he's the only one with a story?
Eight Ball says, Try again
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 08:01 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Buck Farky at December 12, 2014 08:03 PM (lC/B7)
What difference, at this point, does it make?1!?!!?1/1/1!?!?!?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 12, 2014 08:03 PM (3Q2mj)
Posted by: tbd at December 12, 2014 08:04 PM (3zw9Y)
Please put your considerable talents towards a new Speaker come January. Retire HIS ass next month.
Posted by: David at December 12, 2014 08:04 PM (H9J1N)
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at December 12, 2014 08:04 PM (wYShC)
Posted by: ever at December 12, 2014 08:04 PM (QZdJj)
Posted by: Buck Farky at December 12, 2014 08:04 PM (lC/B7)
Posted by: Bart Stupak at December 12, 2014 08:05 PM (UbWXm)
Posted by: Capt Louis Stutzman at December 12, 2014 08:05 PM (mESTN)
Lies? Nah, that guy just heard wrong.,
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 08:05 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: 2L at December 12, 2014 08:06 PM (TaO1J)
Posted by: huerfano at December 12, 2014 08:06 PM (bAGA/)
Stutzman? Someone from Indiana tell me, because I don't know him. Falling for this bait-and-switch seems to me like a pretty dumb move, but I'd like a local who knows him to put me some knowledge.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:06 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at December 12, 2014 08:06 PM (wYShC)
Posted by: Manual Labor at December 12, 2014 08:06 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Gunslnger at December 12, 2014 08:06 PM (4S7hN)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 12, 2014 08:07 PM (KFdZd)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:07 PM (3B+O8)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 12, 2014 08:08 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Ronster at December 12, 2014 08:09 PM (9vrWU)
now, the big question: did this fing idiot learn anything from being fucked, or will he bend over again next time?
no, i'm not optimistic about that either.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 12, 2014 08:09 PM (RiMtm)
1st it might get them to pay attention to their campaign promises.
or:
2nd The basket train speeds up a smidgen.
Either way none of us are getting any younger.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 08:10 PM (WNERA)
We need to primary these people. You know, like we did with Bevin against McConnell. Except with better support and better results, I mean.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:10 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: seamrog at December 12, 2014 08:10 PM (KRzER)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the
I've said I would never vote for a democrat. I'm seriously reconsidering that position. Screw you Sean Duffey come 2016
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 08:10 PM (y2suD)
Picture of Boehner on Drudge, holding Obama's arm while adoringly looking at him like a lovestruck school girl, explains a lot.
Posted by: ever
...........................
Hardy har har. F all these suckers while we get rich, eh Barry?
Posted by: John Boehner at December 12, 2014 08:12 PM (wAQA5)
I agree. It's the only language they understand.
I remember that D-Lamp said that McConnell needed to be defeated in this past election.
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 08:12 PM (sdi6R)
They use our money against us.
This should be enough to vote against them.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (WNERA)
He's already demonstrated that for a few pretty words he'll put his ankles behind his ears and mouth "I love you."
Posted by: Capt Louis Stutzman at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (mESTN)
We should concentrate on retiring the leadership, starting with Boehner.<
to do that in oh 8, looking at 2014, both primary him and run someone as a tea party indepedent
Posted by: newrouter at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (hudvF)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (nFdGS)
Is this what it's like to be a New York Giants fan?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (3B+O8)
Posted by: Ronster at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (9vrWU)
It seems to me this is one of those situations where "separate but equal" is an allowable answer.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:15 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Old Glazier at December 12, 2014 08:15 PM (1W2Op)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2014 08:16 PM (Cu/XA)
Posted by: UnderCoverInLA at December 12, 2014 08:16 PM (vb2a8)
Posted by: Thomas Jefferson at December 12, 2014 08:16 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Mariner at December 12, 2014 08:17 PM (4D81D)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2014 08:16 PM (Cu/XA)
So the train with the basket goes to hell a little faster.
If the concept is lost on the republicans then the country is lost anyway.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 08:17 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 12, 2014 08:17 PM (3Q2mj)
Cronyism
Obamacare
Amnesty
Military weakness
Foreign policy failure.
It's like an acronym.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:17 PM (iIzG7)
40 I don't know who I hate more, Mitch Mc, Boner or Barky.
Posted by: Ronster at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (9vrWU
Boner
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 08:18 PM (y2suD)
Donde esta una llantera cerca de aqui? Acabo de comprar un Spark EV y no tiene rueda de repuesto.
Pedazo de mierda.
Posted by: Manual Labor at December 12, 2014 08:18 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 08:18 PM (UvR6d)
Is this what it's like to be a New York Giants fan?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (iIzG7)
Or a J-E-T-S fan
Posted by: Ken O'Brien at December 12, 2014 08:18 PM (LoIJo)
I'd like to say I hate these people more today than a few days ago, but can you really go over the 10/10 on the hatred meter that I felt for them a month ago?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2014 08:18 PM (Cu/XA)
If the Ultimate Horror is poor weekly poll performance, then give it to them from now on until Boehner and McConnell are out as leadership. Bring back the TEA Party rallies. Spread the word: A political machine runs Congress, and it is rotten with borrowed cash.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at December 12, 2014 08:19 PM (8rRE+)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
This one goes to 11
Posted by: Spinal Tap at December 12, 2014 08:19 PM (V70Ne)
Posted by: Newt at December 12, 2014 08:20 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (Cu/XA)
Posted by: Cooldawg at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (p/025)
Posted by: tbd at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (3zw9Y)
Posted by: WinLinBSD Admin at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (eMJ+y)
It has to be members of leadership and/or committee chairmen.
Boehner, McCarthy, Camp, Upton, Scalise, McMorris Rogers, Sessions, etc.
Posted by: Jose at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (zc/sw)
I have the minority opinion here that McConnell is more savvy than commonly accepted, if he is given cards to play with, but we'll find out pretty soon.
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 08:22 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 12, 2014 08:22 PM (V70Uh)
El te mintio? Que lastima.
Posted by: Manual Labor at December 12, 2014 08:22 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: butch at December 12, 2014 08:22 PM (HLx1C)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 12, 2014 08:23 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: butch at December 12, 2014 08:24 PM (HLx1C)
Pedazo de mierda."
Tres manzanas mas abajo, a la derecha.
Via con Dios, muchacho
Posted by: Capt Louis Stutzman at December 12, 2014 08:24 PM (mESTN)
A riot is an ugly thing... but so is corruption and treachery.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 12, 2014 08:24 PM (LIyA2)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 08:25 PM (0FSuD)
Is this what it's like to be a New York Giants fan?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 08:13 PM (iIzG7)
Or a J-E-T-S fan
Posted by: Ken O'Brien at December 12, 2014 08:18 PM (LoIJo)
Bret Favre
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 08:25 PM (y2suD)
Same for supreme court justices.
About the only explanation I have is the 'culture of DC"
They are now considered the ruling class and it goes to their head. Of course it is the weak willed ones that change. Even Representatives are pampered. To be a senator OMG and it is good to be king.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 08:26 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 08:27 PM (y2suD)
pick 10 or 12 (I'm upping the number) Republican Congressmen and
absolutely tank them in 2016. First, they get a primary, and if the
primary fails to dislodge them, we give the seat to the Democrats. We
actively vote for the Democrat. Whatever happens, we retire their asses.
===
starting with Boner.
Posted by: jc at December 12, 2014 08:27 PM (i8c5b)
McCarthy needs to be taken down. He needs to be taken down hard. He must be our No. 1 priority in 2016 to take down.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 08:27 PM (lN8KC)
Same for supreme court justices.
About the only explanation I have is the 'culture of DC"
They are now considered the ruling class and it goes to their head. Of course it is the weak willed ones that change. Even Representatives are pampered. To be a senator OMG and it is good to be king.
It's almost like power corrupts.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:27 PM (3B+O8)
Posted by: Cooldawg at December 12, 2014 08:27 PM (p/025)
Complete with shards of glass up my ass.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at December 12, 2014 08:27 PM (+Fae7)
LOL
My neighbor had a lawn service come by and clean up the leaves. I went by immediately and took care of my side.
Overnight the winds blew and shitloads of leaves came down and landed on our yards.
Manuel Labor is laughing at you.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 12, 2014 08:28 PM (V70Uh)
Go for a 3rd party candidate, if available. It makes it clear that people didn't favor Democrats' policies, which would result in the surviving squishes go even more Leftist.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 08:28 PM (lN8KC)
-Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (Cu/XA)
The Media Industrial Complex scares them. They start caring about self-preservation more than promises and rhetoric.
The graft is too good when they can reward their interest groups with unearned wealth --and payoffs in the form of lessened rules, taxes, fees, fines and regulations.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at December 12, 2014 08:28 PM (16bOT)
That's like contracting vd to give to your ex girlfriend.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:28 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Ronster at December 12, 2014 08:29 PM (9vrWU)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 12, 2014 08:29 PM (10ydV)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 12, 2014 08:29 PM (ARmwQ)
while adoringly looking at him like a lovestruck school girl, explains a
lot.
Posted by: ever at December 12, 2014 08:04 PM (QZdJj)
WE look at Democrats as the enemy.
THEY look at Democrats as being in the same class.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:30 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (itUWa)
Posted by: Ken at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (Mo11g)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Buck Farky
I think Cantor was a lucky win in this regard. I wouldn't use it as a template.
The leadership gets the most money and resources to win their elections which are usually in solid red areas.
Risk / reward for going after the leadership looks dicey at best.
I'd suggest going after the RINO a-holes who have committee chairs and usually pipe up in favor of whatever shitty bills the GOPe has floated. Remove the leaders' support and you give the renegades more power.
Insert witty chess metaphor here.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (dxTxt)
Posted by: NJRob at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (5oi29)
I've experience on a state-level Political PAC Board of Directors.
Would love to go after these schmucks, especially McCarthy.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 08:32 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Achoo, Son of Asneeze at December 12, 2014 08:32 PM (amQXf)
Because politicians are by definition in favor of expanded/extended government.
More power. More money.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:32 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 08:32 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: tbd at December 12, 2014 08:32 PM (3zw9Y)
Posted by: Achoo, Son of Asneeze at December 12, 2014 08:32 PM (amQXf)
OK now that's pretty funny
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 08:33 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 12, 2014 08:33 PM (S11Oq)
Rasrtillo sus propias hojas, pendejo.
Posted by: Capt Louis Stutzman at December 12, 2014 08:33 PM (mESTN)
Posted by: Newt at December 12, 2014 08:33 PM (LoIJo)
Someone should just show up and declare they want to be SotH. Lay out an agenda and ask for a vote. Take about a year to do it, all the while suggesting things for Boner to be doing out loud.
Have a big social media presence, Twitter, Pinterest, YourFace, all that stuff. When the time comes, treat the MFM like Newt did and challenge everything they say.
It'd be fun for the right person.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 08:33 PM (0HooB)
Ace you could delegate this so you needn't take up the time.
Those who sign up and donate could be a part of the decisions on who and what to lobby for.
Why not? All the freaking liberals do it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:34 PM (RZzX3)
There are over one trillion "stories" in the Naked Cromibus. This is one of them.
Posted by: 1940s Movie Announcer Guy at December 12, 2014 08:34 PM (amQXf)
This "we win by losing" thing has always left me befuddled.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:35 PM (3B+O8)
Posted by: Tennyson at December 12, 2014 08:35 PM (bKOPJ)
The Olympics in Washington DC? I guess nobody on the Olympic Committee ever took the Beltway at rush hour? Not to mention the crime. Yeah great idea?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 08:36 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Red Widow at December 12, 2014 08:37 PM (QkxEc)
Insert witty chess metaphor here.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 12, 2014 08:31 PM (dxTxt)
Go after the up-and-coming squishes and the senior minions of the leadership.
I suggest a feint at the leadership, so the leadership spends money on itself rather then their embattled minions.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 08:37 PM (lN8KC)
Warning shot? You aimed at his head!
Wouldn't you call that a warning?
Posted by: Memorable quote from a forgettable movie or tv show at December 12, 2014 08:37 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Valiant at December 12, 2014 08:37 PM (4rlxS)
I think the only way to do these bastards in is to withhold ALL money. Not one thin penny to ANY Republican. Then just sit back and don't vote for the one that makes it onto the ballot.
I agree wholeheartedly with Grammie Winger... I am never gonna kill the handle for a Democrat.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 12, 2014 08:38 PM (JP4JT)
Posted by: seamrog at December 12, 2014 08:38 PM (KRzER)
Picky picky picky.
SOON to be Ex.
Happy now?
And I've had a few ex girl friends that I knew were going to be ex girl friends before the final scene. Had sex with them too. I ain't proud. I'm not going to refuse getting laid just because I can't stand someone.
Scruples smuples.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:38 PM (RZzX3)
This "we win by losing" thing has always left me befuddled.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:35 PM (3B+O
The price would be way too high for Senate seats, but a few house seats (instead of mass stay-home on Election Day that we've had in the past) is pretty cost effective
Posted by: phreshone at December 12, 2014 08:38 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 08:39 PM (mESTN)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:39 PM (RZzX3)
-Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2014 08:21 PM (Cu/XA)
The Media Industrial Complex scares them. They start caring about self-preservation more than promises and rhetoric.
The graft is too good when they can reward their interest groups with unearned wealth --and payoffs in the form of lessened rules, taxes, fees, fines and regulations.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at December 12, 2014 08:28 PM (16bOT)
It's the cocktail parties.
If you want to go to the glitzy insider DC cocktail parties, you better be the Speaker or the majority/minority leader, because if you aren't, you won't get invited to the tony cocktail parties.
And remember, it's not always the congresscritter that wants to go to these parties, it's the spouse. The spouse wants a social life, and if the congresscritter has to move left to ensure that social life, so be it.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at December 12, 2014 08:39 PM (+Fae7)
Well, the "we lose by winning" thing hasn't been working overly well, either.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 12, 2014 08:39 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: butch at December 12, 2014 08:40 PM (HLx1C)
Someone should just show up and declare they want to be SotH. Lay out an agenda and ask for a vote. Take about a year to do it, all the while suggesting things for Boner to be doing out loud.
Have a big social media presence, Twitter, Pinterest, YourFace, all that stuff. When the time comes, treat the MFM like Newt did and challenge everything they say.
It'd be fun for the right person.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 08:33 PM (0HooB)
Allen West.
Or perhaps a sitting GOP Governor. It'd be one heckuva jump on the '16 Presidential race.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 08:40 PM (lN8KC)
Well, "class" might be an explanation. I'm thinking, in this case, Boehner is channeling his inner Gwyneth Paltrow.
Creepy photo. I imagine Boehner licking his lips. Repeatedly.
Posted by: ever at December 12, 2014 08:40 PM (QZdJj)
We can't win for all the losing.
The rinos already hate conservatives as much as the progressives hate conservatives.
The rinos are just a few years behind the progressives. I was listening to Reagan warning about 80 Billion dollar deficits.
Doing the same thing over and over expecting to get a different result.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 08:40 PM (WNERA)
If you have a Republican Congressman who is a perpetual squish RINO you've already lost. Put them out to pasture and then two years from then you can win with a real conservative.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 12, 2014 08:41 PM (S11Oq)
Posted by: Jaybee at December 12, 2014 08:42 PM (E7NZr)
Posted by: butch at December 12, 2014 08:42 PM (HLx1C)
Instead, my pocketbook is getting crushed, I can't afford to drive, and the wife is bitching at me because I am thus unable to do the "honeydos".
I really want to stab something- somebody find me a House Speaker I can quench my letter opener with.
Posted by: Conan at December 12, 2014 08:43 PM (oWl4T)
gullible they should not be allowed out of doors on their own, much less
representing us."
In the meantime, why not mail him a hockey helmet and some water wings.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 12, 2014 08:44 PM (amQXf)
Sorry. I'm an old lady and I'm not going to start voting for democrats at this stage of the game.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:45 PM (3B+O8)
Vote Hillary/Sharpton in '16 and melt all your troubles away. Trust me...
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 12, 2014 08:17 PM (3Q2mj)
****************Madame Honey-----you KNOW that I am the only hope you got.....I *AM* the new power diversity!Por La Raza, todo. Fuera de La Raza, nada.
Posted by: Julian Castro at December 12, 2014 08:45 PM (u7A9M)
Turns out we were correct.
No more holding our nose. No more lesser of two evils.
No more choosing between a shit sandwich or a douche.
If in the past you have repeatedly voted for stuff I don't want OR if you SAY you're going to vote for stuff I don't want, then I'm not going to vote for you. (What a concept, right?)
And if that means maybe a lying weasel Democrat gets elected;
SO. BE. IT.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:45 PM (RZzX3)
And I second the motion to add Fred Upton to the list
Arrogant piece of work took our lightbulbs
Posted by: ginaswo at December 12, 2014 08:46 PM (+X1qa)
Posted by: ginaswo at December 12, 2014 08:46 PM (+X1qa)
Bu -- bu -- but if we don't vote Republican, John Boehner will get a smaller office. There won't be room for his minibar and foosball table!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 08:47 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Wile E. Coyote at December 12, 2014 08:47 PM (nzKvP)
I don't know how you make this go national though. Organization of the resistance needs to start now.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 08:47 PM (fL/7/)
As we get older we should be open to new experiences.
Plus you can always vote for the Libertarians (no risk of a win there) or write someone in (ditto).
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:47 PM (RZzX3)
Congressette Ann Wagner. She is a quintessential RINO type, bought thoroughly by John Boehner, and really really good at playing the part of the "conservative" when election time rolls around.
It's about as safe a Republican seat as there is, so you would have a hard time getting a D to win in the general, although it has happened before, when the R person was particularly hated.
You could find a shedload of locals who would fit the part, the actual conservative Republican, both in the state legislature, and other various elected bodies.
Choose Ann Wagner. She didn't just sell her soul to the Establishment. She IS the Establishment!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 08:47 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: no good deed at December 12, 2014 08:48 PM (w3a0Z)
Posted by: Brett the Brit at December 12, 2014 08:48 PM (2ypai)
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 08:48 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:49 PM (3B+O8)
SO. BE. IT.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:45 PM (RZzX3)
And, realistically, could you tell the difference between a Democrat and the current crop of GOPe scum?
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 08:49 PM (fL/7/)
Posted by: Biff Boffo at December 12, 2014 08:49 PM (4FqTM)
We owe it to our children to hasten the destruction so that the reconstruction can begin sooner.
Vote Democrat. Let's show everyone what they're really all about.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:49 PM (RZzX3)
That's not all he was licking! Ho-oh!
*holds up hand for a high-five*
Don't leave me hangin'......
Posted by: Prezidizzle Obizzle at December 12, 2014 08:50 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:50 PM (3B+O8)
Is there an Acme LET IT BURN kit?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:51 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 08:51 PM (nzKvP)
https://tinyurl.com/oxdb7kr
Interesting mission patch. Kinda hawt, too.
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 08:51 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: otho at December 12, 2014 08:52 PM (tBSrv)
Is there an Acme LET IT BURN kit?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:51 PM (RZzX3)
Yes but we are all sold out after Ferguson.
Posted by: Wile E. Coyote at December 12, 2014 08:52 PM (nzKvP)
Of course to each their own and I totally get where you're coming from grannie winger
So I will keep voting but I will try Aces plan voting vindictively to punish the malfeasing morons who stabbed us in the back
Pour encourager les autres and all that jazz
Posted by: ginaswo at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (+X1qa)
Not, with GOP like Pat Toomey, like that's a sure thing although.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (mESTN)
Of course you know this means WAR.
Or something.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (RZzX3)
And yet just 2 years ago we we're told we HAD to vote. That if we didn't vote or voted for Dems we were losing the country or something.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
And you'll keep on hearing that. Because there are people who -- against all evidence and repeated experience -- truly believe that. And because there are those whose iron rice bowl is premised on the GOP acting as the Democrat's scout team ala "Rudy".
Doesn't mean anyone needs to pay attention to them.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Wile E. Coyote, Strangely-Loyal Customer at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (O5Q96)
YAY ! We get to be the rebels now, as it should be.
Kinda like those guys in the late 1700's.
Posted by: seamrog at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (KRzER)
Posted by: otho at December 12, 2014 08:52 PM (tBSrv)
I think primary rules vary by state.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (3B+O8)
No, attack the supports, the back bench RINOs who vote for this defective leadership. Come up with a catchy label to slap on em for doing some tangible thing and have a big Internet ballot to pick the victims. Make sure it is splashy. Then glom on em something horrible, primary and general. Splashy on the Internet, lots of ridicule (remember your Alinsky, ridicule is potent and hard to defend against) and fun for our team, raise money etc.
Focus national attention on a couple of back benchers and it should be possible to actually knock off a couple.
Posted by: John Morris at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM (sCRhB)
Posted by: CM at December 12, 2014 08:54 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:53 PM
Ah, ok. Sounds complicated.
Posted by: otho at December 12, 2014 08:54 PM (tBSrv)
With the amount of sales and ammo still scarce, do you really think anyone from the Government is going to try to take the guns away from folks en masse?
They'll try increments but that could've always happened.
And as I said, let the Democrats show their true colors.
Which isn't blue but RED!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:54 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 08:55 PM (nzKvP)
I would like to nominate my congresscritter for elimination in '16.
Congressette
Ann Wagner. She is a quintessential RINO type, bought thoroughly by
John Boehner, and really really good at playing the part of the
"conservative" when election time rolls around.
It's about as
safe a Republican seat as there is, so you would have a hard time
getting a D to win in the general, although it has happened before, when
the R person was particularly hated.
You could find a shedload
of locals who would fit the part, the actual conservative Republican,
both in the state legislature, and other various elected bodies.
Choose Ann Wagner. She didn't just sell her soul to the Establishment. She IS the Establishment!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 08:47 PM (Dj0WE)
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Truth. My district, and I voted libertarian. I think Ace is talking scorched earth in the general, though, and want's to look at those +3 to +5 districts where you could maybe pull the rug away, rather than a primary fight.
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 08:55 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 08:49 PM (3B+O
Third party typically splits the vote thus leaving open the possibility of a GOP win, but the point is to vote the R rascals out, allow a newer set of D rascals in, pray that you find an honest R candidate for the next cycle, and then vote the new D rascals out in the subsequent cycle.
One flaw with this that I see is that the D machine is so much better organized at cheating that once even an obviously incompetent idiot D gets in office, it may be impossible to dislodge them, especially with a million new "live" illegal voters plus all their dead relatives voting early and often.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 08:55 PM (fL/7/)
Target twelve select squishy RINOs. McCarthy and eleven up-and-coming minions of the leadership.
Let's do this.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 08:55 PM (lN8KC)
I'm from Ohio, so I watched our "Conservative" Governor, (Kasich), go from "stern-to-squish" after one failed mid-term ballot.
Major State Union reforms failed because people "just care too much."
Steve LaTourette, (N.E. Ohio), is NOT a (R)epublican. His actual constituency are F.S.A.-L.I.V.'s, with a touch of "country-strong". He is a tightrope-walking Prog with an attitude.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 08:56 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 08:56 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014
What's wrong with that?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 08:57 PM (y2suD)
...just a reminder from a "swing-state".
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 08:57 PM (16bOT)
And since the vote is secret (so far) there's no way for them to tell whether you're voting with the party you're registered as.
Some states allow cross over and some don't.
Some states allow the parties to make the rules and some the states make the rules.
YMMV
No law says you have to be honest about your politics.
Look at all the liars in Congress.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:57 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at December 12, 2014 08:58 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Marlin "Wizard" Stutzman at December 12, 2014 08:59 PM (Ca7Ob)
Can the Celtics bring back Larry Bird? I don't know how old he is anymore but it can't hurt
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 08:59 PM (AVEe1)
Well the downside is that YOU now have VD.
Your pleasure will vary depending on how much you hate her and her new boyfriend.
I'm becoming more and more of a scorched earth type person these days.
But that's because I'm old and fat and don't care anymore.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:59 PM (RZzX3)
I left the Congress race blank. I can't bring myself to vote for Libertarians. Unless proven otherwise, I figure they're legalized dope folks, and if that's your motivating factor for running for office, you can't be taken seriously as a human being.
No way a Dem is going to win the district. With the recent re-alignment, it's as safe a Republican seat as there is.
My state legislator is Mike Leara. He's a bit of a kook, but he tends to annoy the moderates in Jeff City. I wonder what it would take to get him to run against Ann.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:01 PM (Dj0WE)
pick 10 or 12 (I'm upping the number) Republican Congressmen and
absolutely tank them in 2016. First, they get a primary, and if the
primary fails to dislodge them, we give the seat to the Democrats. We
actively vote for the Democrat. Whatever happens, we retire their asses."
I'm in, but only if we call it Operation Mayhem.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 12, 2014 09:01 PM (bKHc1)
We owe it to our children to hasten the destruction so that the reconstruction can begin sooner.
Vote Democrat. Let's show everyone what they're really all about.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 08:49 PM (RZzX3)
The problem is that the Left wants it to burn. That is their ultimate plan: To destroy what we have so they can erect their little dystopia, which they have been planning for for over a century.
That rare combination of liberty and virtue that made America so great can not be created ex nihilo, especially from a country degenerated by the Left.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 09:01 PM (lN8KC)
Whenever I read "[your hometown] STRONG", in my head I swap out "strong" for "grandstanding pussies".
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:01 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: blaster at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (Rx8ML)
Wile E., I am enjoying your commentary tonight. Good stuff.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (mESTN)
Posted by: Corona at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (fh2Y7)
Posted by: Marlin at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (Ca7Ob)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (3B+O8)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014
Hmmpf, I can relate.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:03 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 09:03 PM (WNERA)
-Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:01 PM (Dj0WE)
Oh...
...kay?
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (16bOT)
What next? Bible just a suggested guide?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (0FSuD)
Most Dogs and Cats I Know have more soul and are more trust worthy than most humans
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (nzKvP)
We'll see how long it lasts. If it's Warren versus Jeb? versus the RomneyBot 3.0?
The GOP can count on me voting for Bo the Dog if it comes to that, like I did in 2012, but too many people do enjoy the earthy tang of GOP poo sandwich. Or at least can live with it
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (AVEe1)
Take away? No.
Pseudo registration? The next little step the grabbers want.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (mESTN)
The pope says dogs have souls?
What next? Bible just a suggested guide?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (0FSuD)
Is he suggesting we start baptizing them then?
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (3B+O8)
Right on. Brat worked hard at campaigning, was obviously competent, and had ideas about what needed to be done! Presto, establishment Cantor went down so badly that he tipped his hand and bailed early to score even more perks and privileges on the other side of the revolving door.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (fL/7/)
Thus we should embrace any effort to breakdown the current political environment so as to offer the possibility of restructuring from a level foundation.
IOW >> Let. It (and them). Burn.
Let the people see the end result of these sort of policies.
Sure it will be uncomfortable for a while but a slow dunk into a pool of lava is no less painful than a swan dive.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: John Boehner's Liver at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (pmzey)
Posted by: John A. Fleming at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (ROXo4)
Posted by: Marlin "Wizard" Stutzman at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (Ca7Ob)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (mESTN)
-Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:01 PM (AVEe1)
That would describe Mr. LaTourette.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:04 PM (3B+O
Well I would not suggest trying to put any cat with claws into a tub. Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:06 PM (nzKvP)
What next? Bible just a suggested guide?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (0FSuD)
What's next? Declaring the furries shouldn't be burnt at the stake?
Posted by: Yiff in Hell! at December 12, 2014 09:06 PM (lN8KC)
What next? Bible just a suggested guide?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:02 PM (0FSuD)
The Pope is an idiot.
Posted by: Claws the cat at December 12, 2014 09:06 PM (8Fl6F)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:07 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:07 PM (3B+O8)
Sure it will be uncomfortable for a while but a slow dunk into a pool of lava is no less painful than a swan dive.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:05 PM (RZzX3)
Mercy killing of America?
Posted by: The Unmerciful Hat at December 12, 2014 09:07 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Marlin at December 12, 2014 09:07 PM (Ca7Ob)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:08 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:08 PM (mESTN)
We may have to destroy the country to save it!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (fL/7/)
Posted by: mr.midnight at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (Kv/xV)
And it gives more ammo to the cynical atheists of the world who say the whole point of life after death is to deliver fairy-tales to the weak-minded.
Posted by: boulder terlit-hobo and his box-o-hyphens at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (AVEe1)
I live in a Red County in a Red District in a Red State and my CS, SOB rep (he ran virtually unopposed) voted with the rest of the establishment.
You can not primary these bastards out. The rules are skewed totally in favor of the incumbent and establishment starting at the precinct.
Yes, yes, I am a full-time lurker but I'm all in on "Operation Chaos" for select Pubbies. Need money? Start a Pay Pal and fire up the D11s.
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (3QAtO)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12
Cats? I seriously doubt that
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Marlin at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (Ca7Ob)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:08 PM (mESTN)
Ya me too. And I'm a bible thumpin evangelical.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (3B+O8)
pick 10 or 12 (I'm upping the number) Republican Congressmen and
absolutely tank them in 2016.
This is interesting and I've been looking into it some. Do you think starting something with a ClubForGrowth-type model might/would/could work?
Posted by: William at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (e1ycs)
Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (y2suD)
One of my 3 siamese is sitting here with me and you just pissed him off big time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (nzKvP)
Lots of Catholics make the mistake of thinking the Church can't get things like voting for Pope wrong.
They got it wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:11 PM (Dj0WE)
And if it doesn't at this point in time what difference does it make?
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 12, 2014 09:11 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (fL/7/)
All the kings horses and all the kings men...
Posted by: Ole' Colchester at December 12, 2014 09:11 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: eleven at December 12, 2014 09:12 PM (MDgS8)
Failing that, it would lead to a rise in nationalism which would do you first and me second
- Or both.
I don't want another 9.11. I really don't.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:12 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (fL/7/)
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Give me your hearts and minds or I will burn down your f*cking huts!
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 09:12 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: DaveA at December 12, 2014 09:12 PM (DL2i+)
I hear ya.
I have my doubts about this one.
Being a Catholic I mean.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:13 PM (RZzX3)
-Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:08 PM (Dj0WE)
The Libertarians I know aren't "Single-Issue Weed-Dudes", as you portrayed.
...unless proven otherwise.
Perhaps that isn't your experience, but mine is quite different.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:13 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (y2suD)
One of my 3 siamese is sitting here with me and you just pissed him off big time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (nzKvP)
My 3 setters don't really care
:-)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:13 PM (y2suD)
Why vote democrat? Why not third party? I see that as a more visible protest statement.
Posted by: grammie winger
In some states, ala California, open primary and top two finishers go to the general race. You are not permitted to vote third party, you may not even write in a protest candidate name that will be recorded.
Your choices are R, D or blank.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 09:14 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (3QAtO)
Interesting, but needs proof of concept. There's a history of a small percentage of Republican voters staying home when they don't like a candidate.
However, as much people complain, there hasn't been a successful concerted effort I know of to get Republicans to just stay home, much less vote for the Dems.
See operation chaos in 2008. It didn't work.
Posted by: AD at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (G+6v/)
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 09:12 PM (KH1sk)
You forgot the "and salt the ground where they stood." part!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (fL/7/)
What a joke. With enemies like these, Boehner and McConnell will be leaders for life.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (3B+O8)
200 -
Lots of Catholics make the mistake of thinking the Church can't get things like voting for Pope wrong.
They got it wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:11 PM (Dj0WE)
I had this conversation with a serious Orthodox Catholic. His answer? God will let him die before he does much more damage.
Yeah right. This pope is a commie.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:16 PM (zt+N6)
*Types*
*Deletes*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:16 PM (mESTN)
Posted by: Marv at December 12, 2014 09:16 PM (TSm4f)
The Pope is an idiot.
Posted by: Claws the cat at December 12, 2014 09:06 PM (8Fl6F)
Pope Benedict liked cats. He even mentioned wanting to write a book about them, but I don't think he ever got around to it.
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 09:16 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:17 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:17 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Martin Luther at December 12, 2014 09:17 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 09:14 PM (kdS6q)
Just like in Nicaragua. Two parties, and only two, and they are in cahoots.
Posted by: Claws the cat at December 12, 2014 09:17 PM (8Fl6F)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:18 PM (0FSuD)
200 -
Lots of Catholics make the mistake of thinking the Church can't get things like voting for Pope wrong.
They got it wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:11 PM (Dj0WE)
I had this conversation with a serious Orthodox Catholic. His answer? God will let him die before he does much more damage.
Yeah right. This pope is a commie.
Well at least he isn't advocating beheading or sharia yet
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:18 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 09:16 PM (sdi6R)
Neko Mimi Mode!
*puts on cat ears*
Posted by: Benedict XVI at December 12, 2014 09:18 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: Leo X at December 12, 2014 09:19 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 1
I will need valu-rite
Fify
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:19 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: John Boehner's Liver at December 12, 2014 09:19 PM (pmzey)
No, he said all His creatures have a place in His kingdom, earthly or otherwise. This should come as a surprise to nobody that pays attention and thinks it through.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Warlord of the Western Wastes at December 12, 2014 09:19 PM (m9V0o)
There is a facebook page Fire-John-Boehner
And there's a Pledgetofireboehner.com
So have at it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (RZzX3)
-Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:15 PM (AVEe1)
That's too bad, man. I those that project that image aren't the only ones you meet, Sir!
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (16bOT)
The Libertarians I know aren't "Single-Issue Weed-Dudes", as you portrayed.
Posted by: ColdBeer1
Libertarian Senate Candidate Sean Haugh Talks About Smoking Pot on the Campaign Trail, Drinking Underage in Gay Bars for Free Drinks
Reason.com
There, now you've been introduced.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (zt+N6)
???
Silicon Valley is in the USA. Why can't we come up with something to cripple North Korea, China, and Russia's Computers?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Leo X at December 12, 2014 09:19 PM (AVEe1)
*tosses chestnuts to the ground*
Posted by: Alexander VI at December 12, 2014 09:21 PM (lN8KC)
http://tinyurl.com/kcfdzpr
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 09:21 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:21 PM (16bOT)
I did specify the ones running for office, which is not necessarily the same as the people who self-identify with the Party.
And yes, I am specifically saying those I have seen who have run for office, if weed wasn't their purported #1 issue, it was somewhere in the top 5. Which I take to mean it's really #1.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:21 PM (Dj0WE)
And some people say that we're getting the Pope we deserve.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:22 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Marlin "Wizard" Stutzman at December 12, 2014 09:22 PM (Ca7Ob)
Butterfield, G.K. D
Ellmers, Renee R
Price, David D
Foxx, Virginia R
Coble, Howard R
Hudson, Richard R
Pittenger, Robert R
McHenry, Patrick T. R
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 12, 2014 09:22 PM (vPh3W)
Posted by: ColdBeer1
Libertarian Senate Candidate Sean Haugh Talks About Smoking Pot on the Campaign Trail, Drinking Underage in Gay Bars for Free Drinks
Reason.com
There, now you've been introduced.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December
So a fun loving democrat. Ok
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:22 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:09 PM (nzKvP)
*********
Not even that will do it. 9/11 should have lit the everlasting fire in us. Instead, the left waited a couple of months and played along until they found their opportunity to continue chipping away at the fabric of out society. The left are worse than locusts
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (jucos)
No, he said all His creatures have a place in His kingdom, earthly or otherwise. This should come as a surprise to nobody that pays attention and thinks it through.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Warlord of the Western Wastes at December 12, 2014 09:19 PM (m9V0o)
Yes, those are two very different statements.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (3B+O8)
Reason.com
There, now you've been introduced."
-Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (kdS6q)
I never said that I didn't know that they existed... lol.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (16bOT)
Over my dead body.
Really. I fully expect to start voting D after I die.
Posted by: garrett at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (TIxmO)
The pope is such an evil man. He dare he comfort a child upset that his pet is dead.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:20 PM (zt+N6)
Well, actually yeah, pretty stupid. Next up, my dad died and was not a Christian will he get to go to heaven with his dog?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:24 PM (0FSuD)
The Church could do worse
Posted by: Leo X
*tosses chestnuts to the ground*
Posted by: Alexander VI
So then I tells the guy, "You think I've got it bad, I'm standing on Pius XII's shoulders!
Posted by: Hitler
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2014 09:25 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at December 12, 2014 09:25 PM (fy7Vi)
Over my dead body.
Really. I fully expect to start voting D after I die.
Posted by: garrett at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (TIxmO)
Better yet, run a conservative as a Democrat.
Posted by: The DINO Hat at December 12, 2014 09:25 PM (lN8KC)
We're not talking that particular bit of flummery.
It's a general lack of seriousness from this person.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:25 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (3B+O
Yes and that is NOT what he said.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:25 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 12, 2014 09:26 PM (vPh3W)
That pretty much sums it up. I will remain a jell salad eater
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:26 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 12, 2014 09:27 PM (8Fl6F)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 09:10 PM (nzKvP)
My 3 setters don't really care
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hey! I love cats - they taste just like chicken.
Posted by: Dreamer at December 12, 2014 09:28 PM (naCIf)
Posted by: Marlin "Wizard" Stutzman at December 12, 2014 09:28 PM (Ca7Ob)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December
Had me sold until the broccoli thing. I will sub cole slaw instead
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:28 PM (y2suD)
The Libertarians I know aren't "Single-Issue Weed-Dudes", as you portrayed.
...unless proven otherwise.
Perhaps that isn't your experience, but mine is quite different.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:13 PM (16bOT)
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Beyond that, I believe what Ace is advocating is actively voting for Dem's in targeted districts, not your run of the mill primary battle. You only have to influence about 3-5% of pissed off enough voters in ripe districts in his scenario, rather than more than half of Republicans. After the fact, you'd have a tough time getting recognized as the reason for the defeat. It would be spun as a progressive renaissance, and Ace would hate that.
So if you won't vote libertarian, then you aren't on board, which is fine.
I get it. I like it as a thought experiment. I don't like it in practice. Yet. But I'm not rejecting it out of hand. If you take it seriously, you kinda have to most fast though. It wouldn't take a ton of money in the conventional sense. It would take extremely coordinated early organization, and some local people with some sway to get on board. The money would come from the Dem's once you got the spark started.
It's a bell that is not easily unrung for elections to come, if you actually went the lengths to make it work.
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 09:28 PM (UvR6d)
I will remain a jello salad eater
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:26 PM (y2suD)
Care for some tater tot hotdish ?
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 12, 2014 09:29 PM (3B+O8)
-Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 12, 2014 09:27 PM (8Fl6F)
*HAH!* I would have gone with corn-on-the-cob, but I can dig broccoli!
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:29 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:29 PM (mESTN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:29 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 12, 2014 09:23 PM (jucos)
In 1941, if we had had leftists like we have now, we'd be speaking Japanese west of the Mississippi and German east of it!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:30 PM (fL/7/)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:30 PM (y2suD)
Wow. This is a silly man.
I am now less inclined to think of him as a subversive commie, who loves teh gay, and doesn't mind abortions though.
He just doesn't quite think through the nonsense that comes out of his mouth.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:31 PM (Dj0WE)
I think your idea of selecting particular Republican Congressmen for de-selection is an outstanding idea. Probably the best idea that conservatives have had since electing Ronald Reagan in 1980.
Let me add one more twist to your stroke of genius; Teh List
"Teh List" is the shot across the bow. A warning to zCongressmen that they may be targeted.
I've run your idea across a Libertarian friend of mine, and he said it was a great idea (with surprise in his voice).
I added to your idea by saying that we could make it a movement. Get Mark Levin and Sean Hannity behind it. The Dems would follow suit.
We vote out Repubs, they vote out moderates. Scare the hell out of them.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at December 12, 2014 09:31 PM (kfoLf)
"The most dangerous place for a black in this Country is either in the city of Chicago, or in the womb of a liberal woman. "
Posted by: Mr. Natural at December 12, 2014 09:32 PM (/pOl7)
Posted by: McCool at December 12, 2014 09:32 PM (YOmBN)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:33 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: Mistress O at December 12, 2014 09:33 PM (2/oBD)
"During a recent public appearance, Francis comforted a boy whose dog
had died, noting, 'One day, we will see our animals again in the
eternity of Christ. Paradise is open to all of God's creatures.'" [rdb
That pretty much sums it up. I will remain a jell salad eater
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:26 PM (y2suD)
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First, he'll make a stop at Wok Express, though.
Posted by: Pope Francis at December 12, 2014 09:33 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:30 PM (fL/7/)
*******
Yes.... Those fortunate(?) people that survived the wholesale slaughter that surely would have followed our defeat
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 12, 2014 09:33 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:33 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 12, 2014 09:34 PM (SOesf)
-Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at December 12, 2014 09:31 PM (kfoLf)
They're kids. Scare 'em.
Posted by: Crash Davis at December 12, 2014 09:34 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:34 PM (mESTN)
Remember, even that aforementioned Simon dropped the ball once or twice. Or thrice. (So I've read from the various Gospels anyway.)
The Church has almost two thousand years of tradition behind it, and an impressive array of philosophical work.
If there's a goof in charge of it now, who can't extemporaneously expound the doctrina fidei in compassion and erudition before a grieving child, that does suck; but the Church will survive it.
The Church survived the freakin' Cadaver Synod. It also survived Diocletian.
I may or may not be making sense :^/
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (AVEe1)
a movement. Get Mark Levin and Sean Hannity behind it. The Dems would
follow suit.
We vote out Repubs, they vote out moderates. Scare the hell out of them.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at December 12, 2014 09:31 PM (kfoLf)
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Good luck with Sean Hannity
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (UvR6d)
There will be some other thing, some other headline that everyone is hysterical about.
Posted by: Pointless Man at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (10Vfs)
I've heard that so many times I want to puke.
Meanwhile the beat goes on.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (RZzX3)
Uh that's why ace isn't saying to vote them all out. He wants specific targets, removed to let the house backstabbers know we aren't happy. We have a pretty good cushion in the House that we can afford to take a few scalps. The preferred method would first be to primary these guys in order to not lose a seat at all.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:36 PM (zt+N6)
If he has been legitimately duped, then he should be upset enough to name the name. If he doesn't, he is lying. If he was duped due to a lie, he might - might - deserve a reprieve from near future wrath depending on context of the kabuki. If was wasn't actually duped, he's earned a bootin'.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 12, 2014 09:36 PM (1CroS)
-Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (UvR6d)
Dirty air, dirty water, dirty air, dirty water, dirty air, dirty water, dirty air, dirty water...
Posted by: Crash Davis at December 12, 2014 09:37 PM (16bOT)
Hey, they even survived Luther and Henry VIII.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:37 PM (RZzX3)
Yeah, I think it's kind of ridiculous to get upset over this.
For that matter, at least on the economic side of things, there's been a leftist streak running through the Church for decades if not centuries. Sure, they were against communism, but there was also a lot of skepticism of libertarian-level capitalism well before the '60s. How much this came up depended on the cleric involved. Since the Benedict focused on social issues and John Paul II was heavily anti-communist, people on the right in this country mostly ignored it, but even they made statements on economics that would sound like they were coming from a liberal.
I realize emphasizing charity, humility, and vows of poverty is different from the liberal view--that the state must take money away from you to support those things. Still, you can't seriously expect an institution that maintains the Franciscan Order and communal monasteries where there is very limited private property to be one of the main promoters of capitalism.
Posted by: AD at December 12, 2014 09:37 PM (G+6v/)
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:38 PM (16bOT)
He was a lame duck. He'd already lost his seat.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 12, 2014 09:39 PM (RZzX3)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 09:39 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: tbd at December 12, 2014 09:39 PM (3zw9Y)
No, that's a pretty good summary.
Lots of Catholics don't know the history of their Church terribly well. It is a profoundly human institution, with many human failings in its past.
It is not a threat to the faith when a Pope is less than deserving of his position.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:39 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Crash Davis at December 12, 2014 09:37 PM (16bOT)
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It has minerals. Those are good for you, right?
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 09:40 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:30 PM (fL/7/)
Mississippi riverboat gamblers would be speaking Germanese.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 12, 2014 09:41 PM (W5DcG)
302 Voting Boner out is not very realistic, most of us don't live in his district. We need someone to replace him as Speaker. We have what, two weeks until the next Congress comes in? If he loses Speaker position he'll quit in disgrace.
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 12, 2014 09:34 PM (SOesf)
I do. And I do believe he would be susceptible to the same type of fate as Eric Cantor. You just need the candidate capable of it. His main primary opponent this last time was not that. And Boehner put in FAR FAR more effort in the primary than he ever has before, than he ever has for the general election, and he still took a 10% hit to his numbers than what he usually gets in a primary.
So a real candidate that can challenge him and call him out for the shit he's pulled, yeah they could have a shot.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:41 PM (zt+N6)
-Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (UvR6d)
Dirty air, dirty water, dirty air, dirty water, dirty air, dirty water, dirty air, dirty water...
Posted by: Crash Davis at December
You forgot grandma being pushed off the cliff. Just saying
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:41 PM (y2suD)
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Beyond
that, I believe what Ace is advocating is actively voting for Dem's in
targeted districts, not your run of the mill primary battle. You only
have to influence about 3-5% of pissed off enough voters in ripe
districts in his scenario, rather than more than half of Republicans. ..."
...
It would be spun as a progressive renaissance, and Ace would hate that."
3 to 5%, if that's correct it's easily do-able
And they can spin it all they want, the polls will know what happened and the political junkies will know; they are the target of the message.
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 09:41 PM (3QAtO)
-#318 Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2014 09:39 PM (Dj0WE)
Nicely said.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:42 PM (16bOT)
Prolly right but that's TWO YEARS away. In the mean time?
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 12, 2014 09:42 PM (SOesf)
-Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:41 PM (y2suD)
Remiss, I am.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:43 PM (16bOT)
http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx
I hope they have that cute announcer babe I've seen a couple of times.
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 09:43 PM (sdi6R)
The Canadians have an interesting system that tries to provide transparency and also empower smaller parties. Part of it involves tax credits for donations to political parties, and there are dozens of parties getting the donations. Public funding is also allocated to parties by the number of votes they get.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_political_financing_in_Canada
Posted by: Emily at December 12, 2014 09:44 PM (7Rn+/)
A lot of people sold out, he's the only one with a story?
Eight Ball says, Try again
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 08:01 PM
I don't get his story. If he thought the Cromnibus was dead and to be replaced by a shorter CR why did he vote YES for it? That makes no sense, can anyone splain?
He was the one defeated right? So why vote for something that is supposed to fail, not for his future positioning it seems. Od does he think it might help in 2 yrs if he runs again?
Posted by a stupid citizen who wonders greatly about our "betters".
Posted by: Farmer at December 12, 2014 09:44 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: CDR M at December 12, 2014 09:45 PM (93D1V)
Posted by: CDR M at December 12, 2014 09:46 PM (93D1V)
Remiss, I am.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:43 PM (16bOT)
You gots the Hannity impression down pretty good
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:46 PM (y2suD)
I may or may not be making sense :^/
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 09:35 PM (AVEe1)
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And the Borgia popes. And John XII, killed by a man who caught His Holiness in bed with his wife.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 09:46 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 09:46 PM (3QAtO)
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (sdi6R)
I agree. Boehner is vulnerable in the 8th District.
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"Prolly right but that's TWO YEARS away. In the mean time?"
-Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 12, 2014 09:42 PM (SOesf)
Egg his house?
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:36 PM (zt+N6)
Ace is proposing surgical precision to cut out the diseased tissue, not slicing like a hammer.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (fL/7/)
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (zt+N6)
The lady was very upset by that, and said "But I could never be happy if my dog wasn't there". "Well", said the priest, "in that case, then your dog will surely be there."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (vPh3W)
There's a whole bunch of loony muzzies advancing their concept of a caliphate.
I'd focus on them right now.
They're the biggest threat to Judeo-Christiandom.
Posted by: seamrog at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (KRzER)
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December
When did they switch to altar boys?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 09:48 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Mindy at December 12, 2014 09:48 PM (onxGw)
But, I will be up early to pester the Morning Crew.
Hasta.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 09:48 PM (mESTN)
Posted by: Lieutenant Richard M. Colby at December 12, 2014 09:48 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: jb at December 12, 2014 09:49 PM (/bMM/)
But I gotta respect a pope who stands up to the French and the big Italian
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo says, canonise Alexander VI at December 12, 2014 09:50 PM (AVEe1)
But, I will be up early to pester the Morning Crew.
Hasta.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014
Quitter
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:50 PM (y2suD)
Make the deal with the devil.
Re-elect Nancy Botox to be Speaker.
Think about it the Dems plus the 40 Con's make a majority.
Why not? Boner is a Rino anyway.
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 12, 2014 09:50 PM (SOesf)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 09:50 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarin at December 12, 2014 09:51 PM (y2suD)
Posted by: some guy at December 12, 2014 09:51 PM (xPuDL)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 12, 2014 09:52 PM (vPh3W)
The one they can't even bother to get their base behind--because he Liberal base is just that psychotic.
No way in hell--with these people deciding who in the military gets to die--without even explaining fully why--am I voting for a damn one of them.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 09:52 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: CDR M at December 12, 2014 09:53 PM (93D1V)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 09:54 PM (zOTsN)
pick 10 or 12 (I'm upping the number) Republican Congressmen and
absolutely tank them in 2016. First, they get a primary, and if the
primary fails to dislodge them, we give the seat to the Democrats. We
actively vote for the Democrat. Whatever happens, we retire their asses.
I agree wholeheartedly. We need to tell the GOP that giving the Democrats everything they want is the death of the GOP. If all we're going to get are Democrat laws, might as well vote for the Democrat.
Will the GOP learn anything? No. They've shown they are incapable of learning anything.
2014 was not the year that people voted for Republicans. The people were voting against the Democrats, and the Republicans just happened to be left over.
Posted by: Null at December 12, 2014 09:55 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:57 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 09:57 PM (lN8KC)
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 09:59 PM (sdi6R)
Over half the attendees were black (eeeek!). I don't know how we survived the night.
Carry on.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 09:59 PM (FsuaD)
Well, sh*t.
I guess now it's just a question of what he was paid as a retirement consolation prize.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (1CroS)
The name of a bar in thug town Charlotte."
-Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 09:57 PM (0FSuD)
I Wit Stupid.
Posted by: Every patron, waiting to get shot at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (16bOT)
3 to 5%, if that's correct it's easily do-able
And
they can spin it all they want, the polls will know what happened and
the political junkies will know; they are the target of the message.
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 09:41 PM (3QAtO)
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If you are in a R +4 district, which is safeish, then you can flip the race by convincing 2% of R's and independents to change their vote. By getting a switch of vote rather than deciding to sit it out or vote a token libertarian, your needed success rate is cut in half.
It's the kind of thing a smaller grassroots operation could do. It is easier in that sense than a primary battle. Where IMO the idea fails is that people will not agree on which 10,12, whatever races are in the playing field. You can get 60% to say their is a spending problem in government, but can't get to 45% on any particular item to cut when you get any demagoguery on any specifics. You get to a certain point, you also won't be able to coordinate and say it stops here in 2018, 2020, 2022. Meaning the more effective it is in the short term, the more detrimental if will be in the long run.
So it is an idea that sounds great, but is less fulfilling in practice. People close by might see what happens, but I don't share the opinion they would immediately come running back to us. They'd have the media apparatus behind them, and wait us out until we collapsed upon ourselves.
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (UvR6d)
Here's a map showing the general ranking of the states:
... damn, they forgot to mention that living in New Jersey is one long, never-ending trauma. And look at the map, Illinois, the home of probably more gang killing than just about any where else in the country is also in ht "green" with it's never-ending story of trauma.
PS I'd post at The Atlantic but they banned me a while back for .. I have no idea.
Posted by: Lieutenant Richard M. Colby at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (sdi6R)
McHenrey, a true conservative, has been co opped with a leadership position.
Term limits. He is 30 something, just had a kid and will be in DC for another 30 years.
So, he will not be making any "Stands"
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 10:01 PM (3QAtO)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Warlord of the Western Wastes at December 12, 2014 10:01 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 10:02 PM (lN8KC)
-Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 09:57 PM (lN8KC)
Thanks!
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at December 12, 2014 10:03 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Lieutenant Richard M. Colby at December 12, 2014 10:03 PM (e8kgV)
Look at the way they passed ObamaCare--and now look at what Dianne Feinstein is doing to the CIA operators.
It's gross. They had to sign non-disclosure statements to even SEE what they were being charged with--and then when one of the investigators tried to defend himself with a statement they redacted PSGES AND PAGES of his statement.
If you guys want to go back to the days of the Khobar Towers where it was found that the Iranians did that and we did not respond, the USS Cole and we did not respond the bombing of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and those were not treated as US sovereign territory and you want to--
"gift" either Hillary Clinton and/or Elizabeth Warren (gawd forbid) with being impeachment proof or without being able to overcome their vetoes...you better be willing to risk the long term fall out of that.
Anyways--I really doubt you can "appoint" some group of vaunted pundits to decide who the base should vote out.
All politics is local and the base isn't going to listen to some Beltway pundits telling them what to do nation wide.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 10:04 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 10:00 PM (sdi6R)
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Both those patches were pretty wild!
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 12, 2014 10:07 PM (KH1sk)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 09:47 PM (fL/7/)
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I'm saying a camel is a horse designed by committee, and this would take once big ass committee. Committees don't do surgical precision well. I'm thinking the primary thing isn't working as well as we want, but better than the Rockefellers want too. We can pick off more and more momentum. What we need to do first is get Orrin Hatch's out of states like Utah.
Actively voting for the party that can do what we can, which is send Bart Stupak willfully on a suicide mission on Obamacare, doesn't seem like the thing that will hold up well long term.
Posted by: Dave S. at December 12, 2014 10:07 PM (UvR6d)
Er...
In a former life I dated one or two females of that ethnic extraction, and so got invited to / crashed some events wherein I was the minority. Since *checks* I am not currently a zombie it stands to reason that I got out of them alive.
As a general rule, if you're not making a COMPLETE ass of yourself you'll not be harmed (and if you are being an ass you'll just be bounced off the premises). This goes for pretty much any event of any race. You'll have some cultural barriers but if the hosts are of any use those barriers will be smoothed over.
You might even find yourself having a good time.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 12, 2014 10:08 PM (AVEe1)
Actually there's a theory floating around that this is why they're so infamous. Not that they weren't corrupt, backstabbing womanizers. However, a practice had arisen among a number of Italian families of benefiting themselves by producing a pope or two, enriching themselves through that position, and using that to prominence.
The Borgias were Spanish in origin. So, having outsiders come in and maneuver into their racket pissed the local nobility off. Most importantly, they didn't last in Italy, except, I think, for a small principality. So, while you had to accept the local noble families that had used the Church, no one was around to defend the Borgias if you vented them.
That doesn't change the fact they sucked, but probably means stories about them are exaggerated a little bit.
Posted by: AD at December 12, 2014 10:13 PM (G+6v/)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 10:14 PM (3QAtO)
Boehner would be forced to resign from Congress altogether.
Then Conservatives make clear they won't vote to re-install a GOP speaker until an entirely new leadership team is created, thereby probably pushing McCarthy, et al out of Congress as well.
It's the ultimate hardball and absolutely nothing else is going to work.
The Conservative/TEA block in the House needs a leader to make it happen.
Posted by: Bildung at December 12, 2014 10:14 PM (PK//T)
Posted by: AD at December 12, 2014 10:16 PM (G+6v/)
Let's do it. It is out of control.
Posted by: Chris Starkey at December 12, 2014 10:29 PM (O2lTZ)
Posted by: AD at December 12, 2014 10:13 PM (G+6v/)
Or entirely true, and the Italian popes were doing the same thing and just didn't get it brought up.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2014 10:33 PM (zt+N6)
Just get all the election data from this last election for targeted GOPe candidates to determine where to advertise why people should vote against them.
Let them dump all their money in the primary and sack them in the general. I'm pretty sure the clue by four would leave a lasting mark if it hit the drunk crying bastard first.
Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 12, 2014 10:41 PM (baiNQ)
Not a problem. Find a way to pay the guy back, several times over, if possible. Bonus points if the payback hurts only the "leadership" in question, and no one else.
Dropping a name would be nice...
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 12, 2014 10:56 PM (h/uPs)
About North Portland, I grew-up there in the '50s and '60s.
At that time it was "Lily White" and crime free.
I went down there a couple years ago to see my dad for his 90th birthday.
The area is transformed.
There are small enclaves that are relatively peaceful.
There are also areas that are totally illegal immigrants and gang-banger heavens. They are is going to hell due to the illegals.
The gang problems are rampant.
All of my siblings still live there, but they are getting nervous.
YMMV...
Posted by: ChrisP at December 12, 2014 10:57 PM (zlT4f)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 10:14 PM (3QAtO)
Nuke them from orbit, yes?
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 12, 2014 10:57 PM (fL/7/)
Because voting for them is like a pat on the ass, but voting against them is a fucking 2x4 across the face. Even a Republican can feel that, sometimes.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 12, 2014 11:10 PM (LIyA2)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 11:20 PM (3QAtO)
Posted by: CO at December 12, 2014 11:22 PM (3QAtO)
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Seriously, if you don;t know what the Cadaver Synod is, look it up ASAP. God help me, I found myself laughing out loud. It's just insane. The painting depicting this trial is priceless. Yes, I'm weird.
I keep hoping that a new Pope will name himself Formosus II.
Posted by: Biffo Boffo at December 12, 2014 11:37 PM (4FqTM)
Mississippi? Yes, it was and he won because of Dems voting for him.
That's empirical
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It was worse than that. Cochran's handlers went into black neighborhoods and told them that McDonnell was a racist firebrand who would cut off their welfare. The tactics would have made even a Chicago alderman blush. Nobody knows how many illegal votes for Cochran this produced (it was the GOP primary runoff, anyone who voted Dem in the original primary was not allowed to vote in the GOP runoff). Afterwards, the GOPe spokespeople told everyone to get over it. I wouldn't have minded so much if the GOP fought as hard against an actual Dem.
Posted by: Biffo Boffo at December 12, 2014 11:43 PM (4FqTM)
Of course dogs go to heaven. Good dogs anyway.
Bad dogs, cats, ex wives, democrats and RINO's are what Hell is for.
Everybody knows that.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 12, 2014 11:52 PM (6z+V1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 13, 2014 12:00 AM (Dj3AB)
As independents, they are like fresh meat at the pickup bar -- eventually one of the old studs will come by say the right lines and have their way with them...
Posted by: Seipherd at December 13, 2014 12:08 AM (GN94E)
Posted by: Underpants Gnome at December 13, 2014 12:22 AM (kNw9i)
Posted by: Chico Esquella at December 13, 2014 12:24 AM (/o5YZ)
Slow learners or suckers, take your pick.
Posted by: When Will They Catch On? at December 13, 2014 12:27 AM (BwZ/Q)
Sorry darlin' - MORE than TWO centuries. You should read John Robison's "Proof of a Conspiracy" published in 1798. Marx and Engels were obviously very familiar with this.
Posted by: Mary at December 13, 2014 01:41 AM (u5LFV)
Or, maybe he is just as dumb as a box of rocks.
Either way, he should be primaried, and if he wins the primary, then R's should vote D, to teach these idiots a lesson.
Won't hurt. When "our" guys vote against us, what's the harm?
When you vote for a guy like this you are, in essence, voting D anyway.
Posted by: jbarntt at December 13, 2014 01:42 AM (1/3Us)
I'm a registered Democrat-DINO-haven't voted that way since Obama ran
the first time-but heh, at least I'll have my cats (2) in hell to keep
me company.
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I'm also a registered D...I live in Philly, if I want even below-adequate city services, I must register that way....but I haven't voted D in a general election since the 90's, I think. I usually mess around in the primaries, and vote for the worst D possible. Like Sharpton, a few years back. My own personal Operation Chaos.
It's the little things.
Posted by: Biffo Boffo at December 13, 2014 02:32 AM (4FqTM)
Posted by: Gene Kelly at December 13, 2014 03:17 AM (eedLh)
bon apopetit, youngsters. Eat that $h!t$@m!ch, and tell yourself it's foie gras.
Posted by: hadoop at December 13, 2014 03:30 AM (2X7pN)
Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at December 13, 2014 03:38 AM (7GI9v)
Yes. The TEA Party has to come roaring back 2010-style and more. We have seen the enemy and it is the Political Class; both parties, the MSM, the Administrative State that is the bureaucracy. We know by now who is on our side in both houses. Let's support them directly instead of donating to phony "tea party" and "conservative" RINO donation storefronts and bypass the enemy's machine. Primary the crap out of the RINOs, attack them relentlessly and loudly at every turn.
We have to fucking bring it.
Posted by: Kaner at December 13, 2014 03:42 AM (nxD/Q)
Posted by: hurricane567 at December 13, 2014 04:06 AM (NkipT)
It's the only way I see to teach these people who only know how to compromise with Democrats that self-preservation matters.
Posted by: Shawn at December 13, 2014 09:51 AM (/lltO)
Posted by: Amit R. at December 13, 2014 10:11 AM (5BpR/)
Posted by: Tina at December 13, 2014 12:18 PM (ykRQL)
Posted by: herb borkland at December 13, 2014 12:19 PM (JF94C)
By any chance was this Rethuglican wearing purple cowboy boots?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 13, 2014 12:45 PM (LIyA2)
[quote]First, they get a primary, and if the primary fails to dislodge them, we give the seat to the Democrats.[/quote]
I don't really think it matters which dozen we pick, as long as we agree on the same dozen. Why don't you try to get some other conservative blogs to pick up on this so we can get some kind of widely distributed list to coalesce around?
If that doesn't happen, let's just all of us pledge to vote D if we have an R incumbent.
Posted by: Nels at December 13, 2014 09:42 PM (msFDC)
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