Hmm: German Prosecutor Says That Document Ordering the NSA to Tap Angela Merkel's Mobile Phone May be a (Russian?) Forgery

Snowden allged we'd bugged German Chancellor Merkel's personal phone. This, of course, prompted a major diplomatic strain between the US and Germany.

But a German prosecutor says the key document establishing this bugging may be a fake.

Herald Range, who launched an investigation for the alleged spying by the NSA on Merkel, said that "there is no proof at the moment which could lead to charges that Chancellor Merkel's phone connection data was collected or her calls tapped".
"The document presented in public as proof of an actual tapping of the mobile phone is not an authentic surveillance order by the NSA. It does not come from the NSA database," he continued.

The story is actually more complicated that I've presented, and frankly I don't know if the IBD understands it fully, either, because they sure the hell haven't made it clear to me.

Apparently Snoweden claimed Merkel's phone was "bugged." But it's possible that the US merely looked at her contact information.

A document purports to order her phone to be bugged, but this document, I think, seems fake, and seems to have not actually have come from the NSA database.

Posted by: Ace at 03:21 PM

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1 How could anyone think evil of Barack Obama?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 12, 2014 03:22 PM (AC0lD)

2 His intentions are so pure, nothing like this would ever happen on his watch!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (AC0lD)

3 never, never f*ck with ze Germans

Posted by: John of Salisbury at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (8CdUx)

4 So now we need to decide whether Barky or Putin was lying? we're right bsck to Glass v. Erdely.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (XUKZU)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (M1uf/)

6 Haha

http://tinyurl.com/ktflt8c

Posted by: Putin at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (Tj+s6)

7 Barack Obama is a shining light in a world or corruption and darkness. And so are his lackeys!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (AC0lD)

8 So we raped her phone?

Posted by: EC at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (GQ8sn)

9 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (M1uf/)

10 it's not the 'truth' that matters; truth is like water

it's the narrative...

Posted by: John of Salisbury at December 12, 2014 03:24 PM (8CdUx)

11 But a German prosecutor says the key document establishing this bugging may be a fake.

Fake but accurate?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 03:24 PM (FsuaD)

12 never, never f*ck with ze Germans

Posted by: John of Salisbury at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM

Unless you're raping them. Then it's cool.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 12, 2014 03:24 PM (knoK7)

13 Ahhh. Fresh, new, wide open thread. I was starting to feel like a sardine in that last one. Oh, corgis barked at.

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 03:24 PM (AkoTV)

14 it's like a circus where the acts just keep coming out

Posted by: mallfly at December 12, 2014 03:24 PM (bJm7W)

15 It's clear that someone raped Merkel's phone.

*shakes fist at sky*

Frat Boyyyyyyyysssssss!!!!!!

Posted by: Erdely at December 12, 2014 03:25 PM (0cMkb)

16
..... gar.... there was a bunch of pikers making terrible puns in the last thread.

Basstards

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:25 PM (NaV4z)

17 I remember the story but did the US deny it was true or just refuse to comment on it? Anyone remember?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 03:25 PM (nzKvP)

18
Barry: I had nothing to do with bugging a phone. Buggery - yes. Bugging - no

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 12, 2014 03:25 PM (1Jaio)

19 What if the NSA just made it look like a well-crafted Russian forgery?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (+lsX1)

20 TEFFGIACOMT. And that especially goes for you deep state guys, who think you can do anything you want,there are no Constitutional limits. with no consequences, no oversight, no public visibility, and "FU, pay me, or we let the ISIS guys burn you out."

Posted by: John A. Fleming at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (Ks5+T)

21 I don't recall the eight years of Bush as being quite so full of mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (FsuaD)

22 "The document presented in public as proof of an actual tapping of the mobile phone is not an authentic surveillance order by the NSA. It does not come from the NSA database," he continued.

Umm... but didn't the SCOAMT immediately apologize about bugging her phone when that was originally leaked?

Doesn't that indicate that, even if *that particular* order is not a real one, a real one does, in fact, exist?

Because I know if I were the NSA and I had issued no such order, I'd have said from the beginning: "Hey, that's a forgery. And, by the way, the guy supplying it is a known traitor to his country, so consider the source."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (M1uf/)

23 it's like a circus where the acts just keep coming

Seals! Line up! You are on after the bear!

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (AkoTV)

24 Snowden is a Russian spy. How many more story like this do we need to prove this?

He is a traitor and should be shot. DEAD

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (0FSuD)

25 How did the fake get slipped in? That is what I'd like to know.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (FA3Z7)

26 Hey, had you going there!

Posted by: The KGB at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (oKE6c)

27 Those sneaky Commie fucks!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (2Ojst)

28 3 never, never f*ck with ze Germans
Posted by: John of Salisbury at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM (8CdUx)

Just one problem with that, I'm married to one!

Posted by: Uncle Bob at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (3GFMN)

29
Bwahahaha. April Fools.

Posted by: Pooty Putin at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (NtzGn)

30
Sure we tapped her phone, but none of us speak Austrian anyway.

Posted by: Dr. Hussein at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (wAQA5)

31 From Russia With Schadenfreude

Posted by: LizLem at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (yRwC8)

32 Thank God a new thread. That last one was starting to get a little crappie.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (LA7Cm)

33 Of course the only blanking thing that the NSA supposedly did that was something that the NSA was supposed to be doing turns out to be fake.

Of. Course.

Here. I sum up.

SNOWDEN IS A TRAITOR

SNOWDEN IS A HERO

Dude, Snowden is a traitorous hero who should be thanked immediately before being shot in the face a whole really lot.

Boobehs.

Guns.

Boobehs.

Art.

Here. I give you something that crosses those streams:

http://bit.ly/1wobJIB

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

34 He apologizes to everyone for our existence.

Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (zOTsN)

35 Fish puns! Get yer red hot fish puns! Two fer a dollar!

Oops, wrong thread.

Posted by: flounder at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (sDapq)

36 Doesn't that indicate that, even if *that particular* order is not a real one, a real one does, in fact, exist?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (M1uf/)

well he doesn't read his security briefings, so he can be forgiven for not knowing

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (FA3Z7)

37 Speaking of the NSA, and the last thread ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (oKE6c)

38 Umm... but didn't the SCOAMT immediately apologize about bugging her phone when that was originally leaked?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (M1uf/)

Apologizing for America is as natural as inhalation for Obama.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 12, 2014 03:28 PM (AC0lD)

39 Umm... but didn't the SCOAMT immediately apologize about bugging her phone when that was originally leaked?>>>

Hey it's what I read in the paper so of course I apologized.

Posted by: Bary O at December 12, 2014 03:28 PM (Mxs5H)

40 Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

Thank you, Inigo Montoya.

Also- thank you for the Boobs and Gun.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:28 PM (M1uf/)

41 Her phone? Yeah, we'd tap that.

Posted by: The NSA at December 12, 2014 03:28 PM (oKE6c)

42 http://bit.ly/1wobJIB

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

Never cross streams.

Posted by: Dude with yellow stained sneakers at December 12, 2014 03:28 PM (sDapq)

43 one is okay, but never try to f*ck all of them..collectively ( ze Germans )

ask the French; the Danes; the Austrians; the Czechs; the Poles; the............

Posted by: John of Salisbury at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (8CdUx)

44
I should have been an open heart sturgeon.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (NaV4z)

45 Just one problem with that, I'm married to one!

Fvck? Yes.
Fvck WITH? Nein!

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (AkoTV)

46 What if the NSA just made it look like a well-crafted Russian forgery?

That's what they want us to think!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (0HooB)

47 well he doesn't read his security briefings, so he can be forgiven for not knowing

Well, yeah. I didn't expect him to know. But I would have expected the NSA to be screaming it from the proverbial roof-tops.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (M1uf/)

48 Anna raped me.

Posted by: Edward Snowden at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (wAQA5)

49 44

I should have been an open heart sturgeon.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (NaV4z)

*sturgeon face*

Posted by: flounder at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (sDapq)

50 Here. I give you something that crosses those streams:

http://bit.ly/1wobJIB

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

plus stompy boots...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (6fyGz)

51 French False Flag op to screw with the Germans... "We'll always have Paris, you bastards!"

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (ojfYH)

52 Here. I give you something that crosses those streams:

http://bit.ly/1wobJIB
Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

-----

THATS NOT ANNA CHAPMAN

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (NaV4z)

53 say 'Mike Huntsman' really really fast....

Posted by: My Cuntsman at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (8CdUx)

54 Snowden allged we'd bugged German Chancellor Merkel's personal phone.

It was James O'Keefe.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (2Ojst)

55 His apologies have never been an accurate indicator of guilt

Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

56 Though, as AtC points out.

We should actually *want* the NSA tapping Angela Merkle's phone.

And the British PM. And the French President. And Putin's. And...

That's their job.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (M1uf/)

57 Speaking of the NSA, and the last thread ...

They are in the fetal position whimpering.

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (AkoTV)

58 Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM (mf5HN

lol, perfect, thanks for the recap.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:31 PM (/Mxso)

59
It was phone rape.

Posted by: Merkel the Merkin at December 12, 2014 03:31 PM (NtzGn)

60 It does not come from the NSA database...

THAT order is with Lois Lerner's emails...

Posted by: THE Big Bad Wolf at December 12, 2014 03:31 PM (f0pWu)

61 In Soviet Russia, phone bugs YOU!

Posted by: Yakov Smirnov at December 12, 2014 03:31 PM (ZWRoJ)

62 Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 03:26 PM (FsuaD)

Wait'll you get a load of me.

Posted by: The Indian at December 12, 2014 03:31 PM (hHFOx)

63 4 So now we need to decide whether Barky or Putin was lying? we're right bsck to Glass v. Erdely.
Posted by: The Great White Snark

I'm going with "both" in both cases.

Posted by: Dianna at December 12, 2014 03:31 PM (DV/Ik)

64 NSA is not supposed to be screaming anything. Ever.

Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (zOTsN)

65 Is 'North" Portland Oregon a good section?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (nzKvP)

66 Testing 1,2,3

Posted by: VA MK Z at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (RjkRJ)

67 In Soviet Russia, phone bugs YOU!

My phone bugs me *now*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (M1uf/)

68 French False Flag op to screw with the Germans... "We'll always have Paris, you bastards!"

Germans have it whenever they want it.

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (AkoTV)

69 ...
Boobehs.

Guns....

Boobeh guns!!!

38 DD caliber.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (0cMkb)

70
We should actually *want* the NSA tapping Angela Merkle's phone.

And the British PM. And the French President. And Putin's. And...

That's their job.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:30 PM (M1uf/)

DING DING DING!!! We have a Winnah!

the NSA's job IS to tap THEIR phones...

Just not OUR phones...

Posted by: THE Big Bad Wolf at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (f0pWu)

71 Here. I give you something that crosses those streams:
http://bit.ly/1wobJIB
Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF

Niiiiiiiiiice.

Posted by: fly gal at December 12, 2014 03:32 PM (8TdcF)

72 So Angela Merkel is a victim of a culture of rape. I thought she was that furry thing you wear on your head.

Posted by: Uncle Bob at December 12, 2014 03:33 PM (3GFMN)

73 So now we need to decide whether Barky or Putin was lying? we're right bsck to Glass v. Erdely.

Yeah... I don't think we're at "either or" here.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:33 PM (M1uf/)

74 Starting to sound like that crazy idea of Snowden working with the commies isn't so crazy.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2014 03:33 PM (g1DWB)

75
So in order to get Obama to not put a missile defense shield, Putin had the current version of the KGB tap Merkel's phone?
Diabolical.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 12, 2014 03:33 PM (6n332)

76 21 I don't recall the eight years of Bush as being quite so full of mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape...
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Just Haditha, which, weirdly, turned out to be a hoax, as well....

My head hurts.

Posted by: Dianna at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (DV/Ik)

77 It's a military organization. You don't talk shit about the boss

Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (zOTsN)

78 9/11 Widow On Torture Report Torture Is What We Suffered From 9/11

Weasel Zippers

Damn Straight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (nzKvP)

79 in Soviet Russia, government overthrows YOU !!

Posted by: not really funny, but not bad at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (8CdUx)

80 Everyone should just trust the Germans--by golly they've earned it!

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (RJMhd)

81 OT:

"Star Wars: The Force Awakens" Character Names Revealed

http://bit.ly/1DozV3J

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (lN8KC)

82 Merkel's phone? Yeah baby, I tapped it.

Posted by: Sexually Suggestive NSA person at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (6n332)

83 21 I don't recall the eight years of Bush as being quite so full of mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape...

Posted by: Jane D'o

That's because all of those things were perpetrated by one man: Dick F**king Cheney.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:35 PM (/Mxso)

84 The documents showing the results of my Fantasy Football draft were a forgery. I demand a do over.

Posted by: Mega at December 12, 2014 03:35 PM (hHFOx)

85 I don't recall the eight years of Bush as being quite so full of mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape...

No, it was just an endless stream of How Many Ways Does Bush Suck? from the MSM. The evil bastard even caused a hurricane by not signing the Kyoto treaty....or something.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2014 03:36 PM (ABcz/)

86 It's a military organization. You don't talk shit about the boss
Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (zOTsN)

Hum? I better pass that to the members of our Ward Room PDQ

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 03:36 PM (nzKvP)

87 Pussies

Posted by: The Mossad at December 12, 2014 03:36 PM (32Ze2)

88 I don't recall the eight years of Bush as being quite so full of mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape...

I don't recall them being so full of *real* mayhem, lies, subterfuge, etc.

However, if you look at the media reporting, those 8 years were f*cking Tammany Hall meets Caesar crossing the Rubicon.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:36 PM (M1uf/)

89 So now we need to decide whether Barky or Putin was lying? we're right back to Glass v. Erdely.

I think Erderly paid homage to Glass by embellishing Jackie's "narrative" with that ridiculous claim that Jackie was pushed through a glass coffee table and then molested for hours on the shards without suffering a cut. The oblique reference to "Shattered Glass" was both a shout out to her former editor and her way of daring readers to catch her.

Posted by: VA MK Z at December 12, 2014 03:36 PM (RjkRJ)

90 I haven't seen this many fake bugs since Halloween.

I'll be here all week.

Posted by: Mega at December 12, 2014 03:36 PM (hHFOx)

91
I don't recall the eight years of Bush as being quite so full of mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape...

Posted by: Jane D'ohYou're forgetting about all the mayhem, lies, subterfuge, rape, more lies, more rape, and eating babies in New Orleans after Katrina.

Posted by: T. Jeff. at December 12, 2014 03:37 PM (/Ho8c)

92 Well. You don't talk shit about the boss officially

Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:38 PM (zOTsN)

93 That's because all of those things were perpetrated by one man: Dick F**king Cheney.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:35 PM (/Mxso)

Will no one think of the cougars!

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:38 PM (mf5HN)

94 Well. You don't talk shit about the boss officially
Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:38 PM (zOTsN)

Oh got it. Now we're on the same page

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2014 03:39 PM (nzKvP)

95 Will no one think of the cougars!

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:38 PM (mf5HN)
Please?

Posted by: Demi Moore at December 12, 2014 03:40 PM (EDWuJ)

96 Merkel's phone? Yeah baby, I tapped it.

NOW I KNOW WHO, YOU BASTARD!

Posted by: PHONE at December 12, 2014 03:40 PM (ABcz/)

97 "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" Character Names Revealed

http://bit.ly/1DozV3J
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2014 03:34 PM (lN8KC)

I have to admit, I really like the Characters' names this go round:

Turtalton Lapuuce

Zowloomf Mange

Hoopter Sandsky

Leilanii Clapgon-Orea

Q'tung Zirrang

Nice.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 12, 2014 03:40 PM (0cMkb)

98 MFM: Booosh administration = eight years of pure evil

MFM: Obama administration = eight years of unicorns, rainbows, and racial harmony (except for the white racist devils)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 03:40 PM (FsuaD)

99 74 Starting to sound like that crazy idea of Snowden working with the commies isn't so crazy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2014 03:33 PM (g1DWB)

I'm skeptical on whether he was working for the Russians beforehand. But once he ended up in the Russians' hands, you have to assume that everything he says and releases is either being given to him by the Russian government or released with their approval. At this point he should be viewed as completely compromised.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (wqVD1)

100 Forgery, but still real.....right?

Posted by: Rolling Stone at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (0LHZx)

101 Yeah..... I tap phones..... What about it?.....

Posted by: Phone Fucker at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (32Ze2)

102 Holy shit, I definitely want some of whatever was smoked by the dudes who did the Complete History of the Soviet Union, Arranged to the Music of Tetris video in the sidebar.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (F4L6j)

103 Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 03:40 PM (FsuaD)

There, you got it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (M1uf/)

104 Well, I'm all tapped out...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 12, 2014 03:42 PM (FsuaD)

105 Forgery, but still real.....right?

Posted by: Rolling Stone>>>

You betcha.

Posted by: Dan Rather at December 12, 2014 03:42 PM (Mxs5H)

106 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 12, 2014 03:43 PM (0q2P7)

107 TEFFGIACOMT. And especially you deep state guys and your "all your data are belong to us", who just got a weasel Republican to introduce a bill that was enthusiastically passed by both wings of the Ruling Party, to allow any and all of our warrantless seized data to be passed to anybody else in the COMT who wants it. "Constitution? What Constitution? FU, pay me. Why do you think the Legs and Judgs do our bidding? Cuz we make them offers they can't refuse."

Posted by: John A. Fleming at December 12, 2014 03:43 PM (Ks5+T)

108 I believe the correct journalist expression is "faked but accurate"

Posted by: mallfly at December 12, 2014 03:43 PM (bJm7W)

109
Nexttime on "Law and Erdely: SVU"- The Chancellor of Germany's phone is gang violated by a group offresh M.I.T grads trying to join the NSA.

dun-dun.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 12, 2014 03:44 PM (6n332)

110 I'm skeptical on whether he was working for the Russians beforehand

I don't think it matters.

I think he saw some things that he didn't like, and decided to "strike against the man!"

The initial stuff (about the extent of the NSA domestic program) was enough to get him talked about, but he didn't get quite the response he'd hoped (he wanted to be a Hero of the People, and most people said- well, thanks for telling us. We'll send you cookies in Leavenworth.)

So then he had to go on the run and find someone to save him from the consequences of his actions. And to do *that* he had to be useful to that "someone."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:44 PM (M1uf/)

111 Funny part? Merkel believes, and often states she has a great, friendly and candid relationship with Putin.

After all- what are friends for?

Maybe ole Vlad has a weird crush on her and likes to listen to her calls?

By the way. I wonder if the Germans will be rolling back the punitive actions they took against the US?

Nah. Dopes.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 03:44 PM (GGCsk)

112 Okay, who wants to tap Angela Merkel...?

Anybody...?

Hello....?

Posted by: NSA HQ, 2010 at December 12, 2014 03:44 PM (MMC8r)

113 Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:27 PM

We can haz moar hot Roof Koreans?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 12, 2014 03:45 PM (knoK7)

114 At this point he should be viewed as completely compromised.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (wqVD1)

Exactly. It's not like they would allow him to hang around if he was working against their interests. We only do that stuff in America.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:46 PM (/Mxso)

115 Therre are a lot of economic ties between Germany and russia

Posted by: ThunderB at December 12, 2014 03:46 PM (zOTsN)

116 >>I'm skeptical on whether he was working for the Russians beforehand
<<

I'm only skeptical about the size rope we need to hang him. Because he should be swinging from a yardarm.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 03:46 PM (GGCsk)

117 Merkel believes, and often states she has a great, friendly and candid relationship with Putin.

1- I don't know whether she "believes" it or not.
2- Of course she states it, it would cause unnecessary friction if she didn't.
3- It's possible that she *does* have "a great friendly and candid relationship with Putin" on a personal level. But never forget that both are heads of State- which means however friendly they might be personally, they will occasionally be in conflict.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:47 PM (M1uf/)

118 It's as real as my birth certificate!

Wait...

Posted by: King Putt at December 12, 2014 03:48 PM (Spluw)

119 I'm only skeptical about the size rope we need to hang him. Because he should be swinging from a yardarm.

Do you mean gauge, or length?

Because I don't think the gauge of the rope matters much. But the short-drop/long-drop question is pretty important.

If the hanging is botched, would you rather his head just pop off, or that he strangle to death?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:48 PM (M1uf/)

120 It's like this Snowden guy is a traitor or something.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 12, 2014 03:49 PM (ZPrif)

121 "Yeah..... I tap phones..... What about it?.....

Posted by: Phone Fucker"

Shut your ugly face, Phone Fcuker, shut your ugly face right now.....

Posted by: Terrence and Phillip at December 12, 2014 03:49 PM (LA7Cm)

122 If the hanging is botched, would you rather his head just pop off, or that he strangle to death?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:48 PM (M1uf/)

----

Yes.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:49 PM (NaV4z)

123 Okay, who wants to tap Angela Merkel...?

Anybody...?

Hello....?

Posted by: NSA HQ, 2010 at December 12, 2014 03:44 PM (MMC8r)

Only a double tap, thanks.

Posted by: Oblig. at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (F4L6j)

124 Therre are a lot of economic ties between Germany and russia

Russian T-34s kept the German Panzer factories humming.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (8ZskC)

125 Merkel also knows that Vlad holds her natural gas supply hostage.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (MMC8r)

126 "So now we need to decide whether Barky or Putin was lying? we're right bsck to Glass v. Erdely."

There's no good reason for the "or" in that sentence. I have no doubts that both our Administration and the Russians had their little electronic feelers watching; Germany's role in Europe is pivotal. Trust me - both sides were spying on her.

Yes, it would make a great episode of "Spy Vs. Spy."

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (iIzG7)

127 Head popping off isn't too bad...

Posted by: Zombie Saddam Hussein at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (OsWis)

128 herre are a lot of economic ties between Germany and russia

Russian T-34s kept the German Panzer factories humming.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (8ZskC)

125 Merkel also knows that Vlad holds her natural gas supply hostage.
Posted by: --- at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (MMC8r)

----

Sooooo...... Barbarossa for the win????

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (NaV4z)

129 "Yeah..... I tap phones..... What about it?.....

Uh, before or after I've charged mine in a woman's vajayjay?

Posted by: Usher at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (ABcz/)

130 Yes, it would make a great episode of "Spy Vs. Spy."

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (iIzG7

SCOAMT Vs. KGB

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (/Mxso)

131 Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:49 PM (NaV4z)

I say we avoid the confusion, and just jump straight to guillotine.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (M1uf/)

132 100
Forgery, but still real.....right?

Posted by: Rolling Stone at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (0LHZx)

Totally!

Posted by: Zombie Dan Rather at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (sDapq)

133 Head popping off isn't too bad...

I vote for strangulation.

Posted by: David Carradine at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (0HooB)

134 Jan D'Oh @ 21-
8 years of Bush? Oh, to be blessed with that kind of times again. Particularly now. Even with the crap about Homeland Security, Patriot Act, and Religion Of Pieces, Bush was 100000 percent better than this kenyan. Hell, I'd take that Bush/Cheney era back in a heartbeat, then go to work to stop some of it. (See above).

Posted by: Erowmero at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (go5uR)

135 Okay, who wants to tap Angela Merkel...?

Anybody...?

Hello....?

Posted by: NSA HQ, 2010 at December 12, 2014 03:44 PM (MMC8r)

Sacred honor compels me...

Posted by: Will Folks at December 12, 2014 03:52 PM (EDWuJ)

136 I should have been an open heart sturgeon.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:29 PM (NaV4z)

A virgin sturgeon needs no urgin'.

Posted by: The penguin at December 12, 2014 03:52 PM (8Fl6F)

137 133,

Heh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 12, 2014 03:52 PM (OsWis)

138 101
Yeah..... I tap phones..... What about it?.....

Posted by: Phone Fucker at December 12, 2014 03:41 PM (32Ze2)

What a needledick loser!

Posted by: Couch Fucker at December 12, 2014 03:52 PM (sDapq)

139 I vote for strangulation.

Posted by: David Carradine at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM

Kinkyyyyy

Posted by: Hedley Lamar at December 12, 2014 03:52 PM (knoK7)

140 >>Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:47 PM (M1uf/)
<<

No, based on Merkel's past statements I am going to say she has been duped. In fact, I bet the Germans were probably handed direct evidence this was not the work of Americans in order to believe it.

Germany and Russia have shared geopolitical interests and are large trading partners. But Merkel has oft stated that she is the person who can deal with Putin and implies, she can persuade him because of their friendship.

The shine came off a bit after the Ukraine/Crimea invasion. In one interview, she even expressed her genuine shock that Putin could not be persuaded to back off.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 03:53 PM (GGCsk)

141 Sounds like a job for the German Coast Guard
http://youtu.be/rg0fmaCSDPg

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 12, 2014 03:53 PM (32Ze2)

142 Can we get a German prosecutor to take a look at the authenticity of the CRomnibus, because I suspect we're all being unlawfully buggered.

Posted by: Fritz at December 12, 2014 03:53 PM (dVmLD)

143 I say we avoid the confusion, and just jump straight to guillotine.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:51 PM (M1uf/)

I don't know there's a certain charm to having a headsman with an axe. One you'd give a nice fat tip to before he takes your head to ensure he doesn't need to take 3 inaccurate swings at it first.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:53 PM (/Mxso)

144 How does one go about proving a record did not exist in a database?

Did the NSA provide snapshots of their database from the day the record was supposedly retrieved? I doubt that.

Even if they did provide a highly classified NSA database snapshot, how would one prove the information wasn't held by the NSA in a different database?

If the record is formatted differently somehow, that could be the result of a custom SQL query.

I really can't imagine how one would prove a record didn't come out of a particular database without granting extraordinary access to ALL of NSA's facilities.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 03:54 PM (jhqr1)

145 Was the author of the NSA document being Sabrina Erdely the smoking gun that gave this one away?

Posted by: Roy at December 12, 2014 03:54 PM (VndSC)

146 If the hanging is botched, would you rather his head just pop off, or that he strangle to death?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:48 PM (M1uf/)

*ponders*

no way to do both I guess...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 03:54 PM (6fyGz)

147 I don't know there's a certain charm to having a headsman with an axe.

Or we could be all multicultural and crap, and just stone him to death.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:55 PM (M1uf/)

148 >>If the hanging is botched, would you rather his head just pop off, or that he strangle to death?<<

What takes longer and is more painful?

I choose that.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 03:55 PM (GGCsk)

149 OK, should be in the OT zone:
10 Human Jobs Corgis Are Better At

http://tinyurl.com/q6elbxo

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at December 12, 2014 03:55 PM (DT3rQ)

150 142 I suspect we're all being unlawfully buggered.
Posted by: Fritz at December 12, 2014 03:53 PM (dVmLD)

***********

Nothing unlawful about buggering, H8ter. It's right there in the constitution.

Posted by: The Judiciary at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (vgIRn)

151 no way to do both I guess...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 03:54 PM (6fyGz)

No. That one tends to be pretty binary.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (M1uf/)

152
Merkel also knows that Vlad holds her natural gas supply hostage.Posted by: --- at December 12, 2014 03:50 PM (MMC8r)

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No more beans for you Merkel! Muwahhahaha!

Posted by: Vlad Putin at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (6n332)

153 The shine came off a bit after the Ukraine/Crimea invasion. In one interview, she even expressed her genuine shock that Putin could not be persuaded to back off.
Posted by: Marcus T

In fairness, the German military and people have been showing an aversion to military committment since at least the Balkans mess in the 90's. between that the Bundesrepublik's energy woes, which are mostly self-inflicted, they're kinda hosed.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (Spluw)

154 Wait, can we electrify his testicles with some type of radio or wiretap apparatus until he's dead?

I like irony.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (GGCsk)

155 Off, autoerotic sock.

And I don't mean Corvettes, either.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (0HooB)

156 The shine came off a bit after the Ukraine/Crimea invasion. In one interview, she even expressed her genuine shock that Putin could not be persuaded to back off.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 03:53 PM (GGCsk)

And recent polls show Germans wanting to keep the sanctions on Russia even if it hurt the German economy. So at this point I'd put them in the not-friends category.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (wqVD1)

157 no way to do both I guess...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 03:54 PM (6fyGz)

No. That one tends to be pretty binary.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (M1uf/)

If the rope digs through slowly enough, there would be strangulation before the popping off.

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (mf5HN)

158 Or we could be all multicultural and crap, and just stone him to death.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:55 PM (M1uf/)
I've heard our peaceful nature-loving native Americans have some pretty nice ant-related ways to send someone to the great bison in the sky.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (/Mxso)

159 no way to do both I guess...>>>

Depends on which order you do them in.

Posted by: Dan Rather at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (Mxs5H)

160 If the rope digs through slowly enough, there would be strangulation before the popping off.

You've seen The Counselor, I take it?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2014 03:59 PM (ABcz/)

161 I've heard our peaceful nature-loving native Americans have some pretty nice ant-related ways to send someone to the great bison in the sky.
Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (/Mxso)

*********

We've been known to peacefully string infants to mesquite bushes, too.

Posted by: Lizzy "Two Bears" Warren at December 12, 2014 03:59 PM (vgIRn)

162 no way to do both I guess...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 03:54 PM (6fyGz)

No. That one tends to be pretty binary.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:56 PM (M1uf/)

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Technically .... if the rope stays tight on the neck stumps while the head kareems off into the corner.... you MIGHT be able to pull it off.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:59 PM (NaV4z)

163 If the rope digs through slowly enough, there would be strangulation before the popping off.

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (mf5HN)

True. Twist the rope enough and you can cut off the head.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 03:59 PM (M1uf/)

164 >>Posted by: Maetenloch at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (wqVD1)
<<

The German people are still kinda pissed at the Russians for World War II and the aftermath. Not that they have much to stand on. But the nonsense that went on through the cold war up to reunification is still fresh in many people's minds. If the Germans have one thing it's pride.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:00 PM (GGCsk)

165 Because I don't think the gauge of the rope matters much. But the short-drop/long-drop question is pretty important.

That's a solved problem. There are hangman's drop charts in existence.

And yes, there are historical records of people's heads popping off when they were dropped too far by the hangman.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:00 PM (jhqr1)

166 you MIGHT be able to pull it off.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 03:59 PM

Nicely done.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (knoK7)

167 That's how Brad Pitt's character is offed in The Councelor.
This steel rope thingy that takes a minute or so to constrict so it both chokes and decapitates. Wheeeee!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (ABcz/)

168 And yes, there are historical records of people's heads popping off when they were dropped too far by the hangman.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:00 PM (jhqr1)

The one I remember is the guy ate like a pig in jail so he gained a lot of weight between the time he was sentenced and the time the sentence was actually carried out.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (6fyGz)

169 Which reminds me, The Americans starts up here after the Holidays.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (0HooB)

170 I'm not sure this is *exactly* the direction Ace expected this thread to go.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (M1uf/)

171 Does anyone remember the Germans and Russians during the Oil for Food Programme?

There was this:

Alleged involvement of Russian intelligence

According to high-ranking Russian SVR defector Tretyakov, the Oil-for-Food program was sabotaged by an undercover Russian intelligence officer Alexander Kramar who worked in the UN Kramar set up the artificially low oil prices in 1998 to allow Saddam to use the oil vouchers as lucrative bribes.

[...]

Allegedly used to finance Al-Qaeda

The scandal engulfing the United Nations Procurement Department and the Oil-for-Food Programme allegedly involved Al-Qaeda finance operations. Fox News broke the story that Alexander Yakovlev, a Russian official in the UN Procurement Department, was involved; he later resigned and pled guilty to corruption charges. One link was to Ahmed Idris Nasreddin, a man designated as a terrorist financier by the US and the UN. The UN has named Nasreddin as a man "belonging to or affiliated with Al Qaeda."

Then there was this on the part of the Germans:

On 5 June 2007, the German chapter of the anti-corruption organisation Transparency International ( lodged a complaint with the German Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology against 57 German companies for allegedly paying $11.9 million in kickbacks in the United Nations' Oil for Food Programme in Iraq.

[...]

Ingersoll-Rand pays $2.5million in fines for kickbacks
In October 2007, the SEC brought a case against Ingersoll-Rand that three different subsidiaries paid kickbacks to Iraqi Government officials.

It's probably a mistake to underestimate-- the corruption of the UN, the "clean hands--and toga act" of the Germans, and the intelligence capabilities of the Russians.

The Russians might had influence over Snowden earlier than most people think.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (RJMhd)

172 The German people are still kinda pissed at the Russians for World War II and the aftermath.

Yeah, Operation Barbarossa must have really pissed off those Germans, using up all their best horses and tanks and stuff.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2014 04:02 PM (8ZskC)

173 Do like that dude in...was it Dallas, where he tied the rope to the light pole and then to his own neck and drove off in his van? That seemed to work pretty good.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 12, 2014 04:02 PM (6fyGz)

174 That's how Brad Pitt's character is offed in The Councelor.

I don't know that I've even heard of that movie.

But that sounds like a pretty awesome recommendation. The only way it would be better is if were Ben Affleck or MATT! DAMON!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:02 PM (M1uf/)

175 What takes longer and is more painful?

I choose that.

In a hanging situation? Don't drop them at all. Hanged by the neck without a drop results in a slow strangulation.

In a non-hanging situation? Crucifixion. It's the most painful way to die with a long pedigree.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:02 PM (jhqr1)

176 Because we should believe everything Fedzilla tells us.

Posted by: John Boehner Says Put Some Ice On It at December 12, 2014 04:02 PM (XzRw1)

177 Look, as long as Merkel didn't have any nude selfies the world is safe from her phone tap.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:03 PM (GGCsk)

178 Mmmm, Kerri Russell...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 04:03 PM (0HooB)

179 Man, this thread got dark.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 04:03 PM (/Mxso)

180 Remember when W shoulder raped Merkel on TV?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 12, 2014 04:03 PM (XUKZU)

181 I think Angela Merkel is hot.

Posted by: The Guy Who Used To Think Lois Lerner Was Hot Who Now Thinks Angela Merkel Is Hot at December 12, 2014 04:04 PM (8ZskC)

182 >>>>I'm not sure this is *exactly* the direction Ace expected this thread to go.

Oftentimes I jump into these after 150 comments or so and read through the last 5-10 going WTF?

Posted by: Bigby's Outfielder's Glove at December 12, 2014 04:04 PM (3ZtZW)

183 Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (RJMhd)

Oil-for-Food was one of the most corrupt programs in recent history.

But, IIRC, the same was true of a lot of how Germany was treated after WWI- the way the reparations and loans were handled were apparently chock-full of graft and corruption.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:04 PM (M1uf/)

184 Merkel upset about anti Islam marches in Dresden.
Drudge

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 12, 2014 04:05 PM (W5DcG)

185 >>But that sounds like a pretty awesome recommendation.

I swear it was written just to demonstrate all of the creative ways to decapitate someone. And there's also the scene where Cameron Diaz, uh, rapes the windshield of a sports car.....

Posted by: Lizzy at December 12, 2014 04:05 PM (ABcz/)

186 And yes, there are historical records of people's heads popping off when they were dropped too far by the hangman.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:00 PM (jhqr1)

Happened to one of Saddam's cronies, a few days after Saddam himself was hanged. And to a notorious woman murderer in Canada back in the 1930's. IIRC.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 12, 2014 04:05 PM (8Fl6F)

187 The one I remember is the guy ate like a pig in jail so he gained a lot of weight between the time he was sentenced and the time the sentence was actually carried out.

Yep. They weighed him before they started building the gallows. The guy ate like a pig while construction was underway. When they hanged him they dropped him the appropriate distance for his former weight. Having gained many pounds in the interim, the force was too great for his neck.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:05 PM (jhqr1)

188 But Merkel has oft stated that she is the person who can deal with Putin and implies, she can persuade him because of their friendship.

*******

She speaks Russian-- and she grew up in East Germany. IIRC.

So I guess that's why she feels she has an "in" with him.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:05 PM (RJMhd)

189 Just a reminder; Chain, car, utility pole.
http://tinyurl.com/qdyqqkq

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 12, 2014 04:05 PM (vPh3W)

190 Merkel. In a high-cut, black leather outfit. Replete with a black leather seaman's hat, whip and high-heels.

You're welcome for the nightmare.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (GGCsk)

191 *****

Merkel wear a swimsuit?

Posted by: Joe Biden, War Chief at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (W6iIX)

192 Merkel upset about anti Islam marches in Dresden.
Drudge

Dresden, what a beautiful city. But it gets kind of warm in mid-February.

Posted by: Arthur Harris at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (8ZskC)

193 Don' look at me, I dropped in a corgi link...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (DT3rQ)

194 Merkel upset about anti Islam marches in Dresden.

AllenG upset about Merkel being upset about anti Islam marches in Dresden.

What is *wrong* with people? It's an Evil Death Cult. Why are we supposed to pretend its worthy of any consideration at all?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (M1uf/)

195 If the rope digs through slowly enough, there would be strangulation before the popping off.

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 03:57 PM (mf5HN)

Ach, so you've seen my work?

Posted by: Kommandant of Ploetzensee Prison at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (oKE6c)

196 Vee Germans aren't all smiles und sunshine.

Posted by: German Guy at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (hHFOx)

197 190
Merkel. In a high-cut, black leather outfit. Replete with a black leather seaman's hat, whip and high-heels.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (GGCsk)

NOW YOU'VE CROSSED A LINE.

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (/Mxso)

198 If the Germans have one thing it's pride.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:00 PM (GGCsk)

. . . and the element of surprise.
. . . and a fanatical devotion to murder.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (F4L6j)

199 Wow. In depth coverage of Congress, rape AND means of execution (along with effectiveness ratings, no less).

Can we do up Friday afternoon right or what?

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (Spluw)

200
12 never, never f*ck with ze Germans

Posted by: John of Salisbury at December 12, 2014 03:23 PM

Unless you're raping them. Then it's cool.

------
We know nothing of this raping of Germans.

Posted by: General Zhukov at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (44OyV)

201 Shit, cut out all the complication and just do it the good old Russkie way, cap his ass with one to the back of his head. No muss, no fuss and doornail f'in dead.

Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (baiNQ)

202 And to a notorious woman murderer in Canada back in the 1930's. IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
---------------

* recollects the McLean brothers *

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (vPh3W)

203 190 Merkel. In a high-cut, black leather outfit. Replete with a black leather seaman's hat, whip and high-heels.

You're welcome for the nightmare.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (GGCsk)

***********

Go on.....

Posted by: Anonymous former FLOTUS and Secretary of State at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (vgIRn)

204 186 And yes, there are historical records of people's heads popping off when they were dropped too far by the hangman.

Practice makes perfect.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (oKE6c)

205 If the Germans have one thing it's pride.
Posted by: Marcus T

. . . and the element of surprise.
. . . and a fanatical devotion to murder.
Posted by: Sharkman

...and shaded marching routes...

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (AkoTV)

206 Dresden, what a beautiful city. But it gets kind of warm in mid-February.
Posted by: Arthur Harris at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (8ZskC)

and all brand new,
(well since 1945)

you are welcome

Posted by: The US 8th Air Force at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (W6iIX)

207 Oftentimes I jump into these after 150 comments or so and read through the last 5-10 going WTF?

Guns.

Boobehs.

Food.

Kate Upton.

Kate Upton's boobehs.

Stompyboots.

Longbows.

Crossbows.

Trebuchets.

Smart Militaryness.

Valu-Rite.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (0HooB)

208 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

mood music

Posted by: flounder at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (sDapq)

209 Though I have to admit, I was always fond of the "tie a guy by his wrists and ankles to 4 horses, and send them in 4 different directions" means of execution.

People also seem to really get the point when you place them on stakes and allow gravity to impale them.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (M1uf/)

210 You had me at Kate Upton's boobehs.

Posted by: dogfish at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (1vYi0)

211 196 Vee Germans aren't all smiles und sunshine.
Posted by: German Guy at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (hHFOx)

Well, you can't get by on charm forever.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (oKE6c)

212 and doornail f'in dead.
Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (baiNQ)

----

yeah.... about that....

--- Rasputin

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (NaV4z)

213 People also seem to really get the point when you place them on stakes and allow gravity to impale them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (M1uf/)

ISWYDT.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (2Ojst)

214 No Lucy Ramirez jokes? It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Posted by: Tyrone Shoelaces at December 12, 2014 04:09 PM (44OyV)

215 Drawing and quartering had its charm.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2014 04:10 PM (8ZskC)

216 Germany is doing more than we may think. NATO just formed a brigade sized Baltic fast reaction force led by German troops composed exclusively of German, Norwegian and Dutch troops.

Posted by: 13times at December 12, 2014 04:10 PM (WHVu+)

217 And yes, there are historical records of people's heads popping off when they were dropped too far by the hangman.

Failing to see a problem.

It's instantaneous vs. strangulation.
It's permanent. See zombies.

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 04:10 PM (AkoTV)

218 I read, I think in a James Clavell novel, of an execution method used in Iran:

1. Parboil the victim;
2. Place victim in a burlap sack with 7 feral cats;
3. Close the sack tightly;
4. Beat the sack with sticks.

The victim's skin is already in extraordinary pain from the parboiling, of course. Beating the sack pisses off the cats whose claws pretty much rip every inch of skin off the victim.

So that, along with drawing and quartering, then burning the ashes and pissing on them to put out the fire when they are sufficiently burned, sounds about right for Snowden.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2014 04:10 PM (F4L6j)

219
Cocksucka!

Posted by: Wu at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (LA7Cm)

220 Germany is doing more than we may think. NATO just formed a brigade sized Baltic fast reaction force led by German troops composed exclusively of German, Norwegian and Dutch troops.

This time, NO DAMN ITALIANS!

Posted by: A. Hitler at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (8ZskC)

221 I have to admit, I really like the Characters' names this go round

-
No Lotta Fagina but I guess they'll do.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (XUKZU)

222 206 Dresden, what a beautiful city. But it gets kind of warm in mid-February.

Posted by: Arthur Harris at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (8ZskC)
and all brand new, (well since 1945)

you are welcome

Posted by: The US 8th Air Force at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (W6iIX)

Rubbish. That was our handicraft. Payback for Coventry.

Posted by: RAF Bomber Command at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (oKE6c)

223 *quietly sneaks out of thread*

Posted by: Heralder at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (/Mxso)

224 One thing I *don't* want for Snowden is lethal injection.

Humane my ass- executions should give people nightmares.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (M1uf/)

225 Wow. In depth coverage of Congress, rape AND means of execution (along with effectiveness ratings, no less).

Can we do up Friday afternoon right or what?
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2014 04:07 PM (Spluw)

Ahem. There's also guns, boobehs and Art.

Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (mf5HN)

226 The Russians might *have* had influence over Snowden earlier than most people think.

(gawd--the html stripper doesn't always work and when I have to do it more manually my English goes out the door, window--whatevah..pffffttt!)

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (RJMhd)

227 I really want to make this thread about rectal hydration. Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by: Dang at December 12, 2014 04:12 PM (MNq6o)

228 >>>Drawing and quartering had its charm.

Apparently you can still view the body parts of John of Leydon on display, but who knows.

Posted by: Bigby's Outfielder's Glove at December 12, 2014 04:12 PM (3ZtZW)

229 ...and shaded marching routes...

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 04:08 PM (AkoTV)

Yes, the classic punch-line to: "Why are the streets of Paris lined with trees?"Well-played, sir. Well-played, indeed.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2014 04:12 PM (F4L6j)

230 Ahem. There's also guns, boobehs and Art.
Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (mf5HN)

----

.... and by "art" she means a sculpture of a goose raping a naked chick getting pissed on.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2014 04:12 PM (NaV4z)

231 Look, I hope Russian enjoys what they did in the Ukraine. The bottom was falling out on the Ruble this morning. It has lost over 40% of its value between sanctions and the oil market plunge. They are dumping a tom of reserves (of which they have plenty) trying to pump it up. But you have to wonder how long that can go on. It's costing them billions for their little adventure and all the Cold War Tom Foolery they are pulling off.

But it's a bed of their own making.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:13 PM (GGCsk)

232 And people called US torturers?

Posted by: CIA at December 12, 2014 04:13 PM (ABcz/)

233 190 Merkel. In a high-cut, black leather outfit. Replete with a black leather seaman's hat, whip and high-heels.
You're welcome for the nightmare.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:06 PM (GGCsk)

Hillary Clinton topless in a thong on a trampoline ... Hillary Clinton topless in a thong on a trampoline ...

AaaaaaHHHHH!!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:13 PM (oKE6c)

234 227
I really want to make this thread about rectal hydration. Anyone got any ideas?

The law of the land says you may be rectally hydrated only if you've met your plans deductible.

Posted by: John Boehner Says Put Some Ice On It at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (XzRw1)

235 Posted by: CIA at December 12, 2014 04:13 PM (ABcz/)

It's not "torture" if they're supposed to die at the end.

Then it's just "creative execution."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (M1uf/)

236 new podcast

Posted by: seamrog at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (KRzER)

237
But you have to wonder how long that can go on. It's costing them billions for their little adventure and all the Cold War Tom Foolery they are pulling off.

But it's a bed of their own making.
-----

See, wingnuts, Obama IS like Reagan!!!!111!!1!

Posted by: Deranged Leftard at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (44OyV)

238 171 Does anyone remember the Germans and Russians during the Oil for Food Programme?

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:01 PM (RJMhd)

I'm pretty certain France undermined the sanctions as well.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (u9OP6)

239
Oil-for-Food was one of the most corrupt programs in recent history.

********

Also a fine example of why Clintonian "smart" diplomacy ain't all that smart.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (RJMhd)

240 Ahem. There's also guns, boobehs and Art.
Posted by: alexthechick - RTFBYMFMF

I don't know who art is, but I am quite willingregarding category II. Except I'm still stuck at work.

And If i keep pressing my luck here, category I is gonna present itself real fast.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (Spluw)

241 Failing to see a problem.

It's instantaneous vs. strangulation.
It's permanent. See zombies.

If not everyone is on board with the hanging, it can be a pretty good moral panic movement-starter.

I still can't get over the fact that England (and some others) made these execution events a festival that kids went to.

Were kids at the French Terror executions? I don't remember reading any accounts that mentioned that.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:15 PM (jhqr1)

242 Then it's just "creative execution."

And I can get Very. Creative.

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 04:15 PM (AkoTV)

243 231 The bottom was falling out on the Ruble this morning. It has lost over
40% of its value between sanctions and the oil market plunge. They are
dumping a tom of reserves (of which they have plenty) trying to pump it
up. But you have to wonder how long that can go on.

Waste of money. Mr. Market bats last.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:15 PM (oKE6c)

244 >>>>I really want to make this thread about rectal hydration. Anyone got any ideas?

Just bring up dehydration packets for long term storage foods and then the CRomnibus bill, at which point the Horde will do its magic...

Posted by: Bigby's Outfielder's Glove at December 12, 2014 04:15 PM (3ZtZW)

245 New thread--hipsters.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 12, 2014 04:15 PM (RJMhd)

246 >>This time, NO DAMN ITALIANS!

Posted by: A. Hitler at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (8ZskC)
<<

Believe it or not, Hitler was a great admirer of Mussolini. It is said that he envied and even adopted his style. He truly admired how Mussolini took over and gained the Italian people's affection. Well, that is before they dragged his body through the streets with his mistress...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2014 04:16 PM (GGCsk)

247
One thing I *don't* want for Snowden is lethal injection.

Humane my ass- executions should give people nightmares.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at December 12, 2014 04:11 PM (M1uf/)

Lock him in a featureless room with a Yoko Ono recording on continuous loop, volume cranked to 11. Provide a table, a chair, and a pistol with one round in it. Lock the door, and let nature take its course.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 12, 2014 04:16 PM (8Fl6F)

248 233,

That is just so wrong...

Not enough brain bleach in the world to get rid of that image...

Guess I'll have to make do with rum.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at December 12, 2014 04:16 PM (OsWis)

249 I'm pretty certain France undermined the sanctions as well.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (u9OP6)

I'm reading Churchill's "The River War," and just got to the part where the French were trying to undermine the British in Sudan.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:17 PM (oKE6c)

250 I still can't get over the fact that England (and some others) made these execution events a festival that kids went to.

"See Johnny? This is what happens when you screw up"

The original "Scared Straight".

Posted by: rickb223 - FMJP at December 12, 2014 04:17 PM (AkoTV)

251 Apparently you can still view the body parts of John of Leydon on display, but who knows.

John of Leiden? His remains were put in a gibbet (those outdoor corpse cage thingers) to rot. His bones were removed later.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:19 PM (jhqr1)

252 Believe it or not, Hitler was a great admirer of Mussolini. It is said
that he envied and even adopted his style. He truly admired how
Mussolini took over and gained the Italian people's affection.

It's true. Mussolini was no intellectual lightweight (at one time a leading light of socialism, and highly regarded by Lenin), and the founder of Fascism (i.e., national socialism), based on his experiences in WWI. Hitler was no dope himself, and appreciated Mussolini's intellectual chops, and what he'd been able to do with Italians.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:20 PM (oKE6c)

253 I'm pretty certain France undermined the sanctions as well.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge at December 12, 2014 04:14 PM (u9OP6)

And Maurice Strong, Canada's real-life Ernst Stavro Blofeld, now hiding in China.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 12, 2014 04:20 PM (8Fl6F)

254 ..I'm skeptical on whether he was working for the Russians beforehand

It does sound too much like a conspiracy theory but I still wonder why the first places he decided to head where communist countries. I know the no extradition thing is big but surely there is someplace other than Russia or China he could have gone to.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2014 04:22 PM (g1DWB)

255 218
The victim's skin is already in extraordinary pain from the parboiling, of course. Beating the sack pisses off the cats whose claws pretty much rip every inch of skin off the victim.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2014 04:10 PM (F4L6j)

Nope, I can't go along with the cruelty to cats part.

Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2014 04:23 PM (zoehZ)

256 John of Leiden? His remains were put in a gibbet (those outdoor corpse cage thingers) to rot. His bones were removed later.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2014 04:19 PM (jhqr1)

Just read the history of John of Leiden. Christ. Nowadays "cruel and unusual punishment" means lack of premium cable.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 12, 2014 04:25 PM (oKE6c)

257 Read Caliphate by Tom Kratzman. Then get back to me about Germany.

Posted by: Erowmero at December 12, 2014 04:28 PM (go5uR)

258 My girlfriend thinks the young Stalin was hot. Of course she never heard of the old Stalin....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 12, 2014 04:34 PM (X472x)

259 Most likely scenario: Snowden was always a Russian asset.

Tinfoil hat scenario: The Germans are doing us a solid and helping add another anecdote to the narrative of Snowden being a Russian asset.

Posted by: Doug at December 12, 2014 04:44 PM (nWl23)

260 The KGB was very good at forging this stuff back in the day. REad "The world was going our way" and you'll see case after case where the KGB "tips off" some 3rd world leader that the CIA is after them. They even show the 3rd world leader some forged document.

pretty easy way to get them to be anti-American.

Posted by: sexypig at December 12, 2014 04:53 PM (dZQh7)

261 You mean that St. Snowden, who ran off to share his treasure trove with the Chinese and the Russians, might not be entirely reliable and truthful? Hard to believe.

Posted by: Stu-22 at December 12, 2014 04:58 PM (RMOpc)

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Posted by: stephen livingston seagull at December 12, 2014 07:39 PM (UFPdl)

263 So now Snowden, because he chose to run from the consequences of stealing US data and holing up in a hostile country, is now a dupe - willing or unwilling - for a hostile intelligence service.

You'd expect Snowden, if he were a dedicated whistleblower, to protect his reputation for accuracy and honest disclosure like it was his own flesh. If you can't believe what he leaks, then why listen to anything he says? But you aren't hearing a blip from him. And that's because his flesh is owned by the KGB, because he chose to run and ran to countries hostile to the US.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at December 12, 2014 08:26 PM (8rRE+)

264 Russian forgeries? Ya don't say! Ha! It's not like they haven't done this sort of thing before! As a matter of fact, the former USSR had a whole department devoted to it called Service A. All they did was put our forgeries throughout the world solely designed to make the U.S. look bad and disrupt and destroy relationships that we had with allies. They used to forge documents that were supposed to be from some senator or other US official, and they would give them to leaders of countries in South America, India, Middle East, etc.. Some of the horrible things that are said about the US today are rumors started by the Soviets. These guys were experts at smearing the US, and they even had stories planted in foreign press. It's amazing what they did and how people fell for it. The radical left fell for all of this garbage hook, line, and sinker. The radical lefty HATES this country, and they want to destroy it.

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