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Jeb Bush Just Can't Wait to Fight With Base!
Jeb Bush is steeling for a fight with the GOP’s conservative base, signaling he will not bend from his centrist positions on immigration and Common Core education standards in 2016 -- even if it costs him support with grassroots conservatives. ... Strategists interviewed by The Hill raised doubts about whether Bush could really avoid modifying at least his public statements in the rough-and-tumble GOP primary. "Nobody gets a free pass in the Republican primary," said Ryan Williams, a former Romney spokesman. One strategist said "chastising conservatives for being too conservative in a conservative primary process" wouldn't get him anywhere. "History is littered with people who think rules of the primary don't apply to them," said Rick Wilson, a Florida-based GOP strategist.I agree: Jeb Bush is not only going nowhere, but he's going nowhere quickly. He will not be in the race for months before being vanquished; he will be out of the race in rather smart fashion. I've mentioned this before, but when Rick Perry was about to announce his run, I wrote to some of his staffers asking how they planned to defuse the immigration issue (Perry had offered in-state tuition for illegals, and refused a border fence). The answer I got back was some gooey nonsense which basically translated into, "We're not changing a damn thing; we expect the conservative base to change to meet us." That didn't work and I didn't expect it to. I expected -- or feared, rather, as I was a nascent Perry supporter -- that Perry's refusal to tack more towards the sentiment of the base would result in his ultimate doom. It did, but there was precious little ultimate about it: He was all done as a candidate, for all practical purposes, before the first primary votes were even cast. In fact, he was all done as a major candidate as of his first debate appearance, in which he announced that those who didn't support in-state tuition for illegal aliens "have no heart." That convinced people only of one thing: That they would not be supporting Rick Perry for Republican candidate for President. Jeb Bush's notion that he will simply tame the savage conservative primary voters by hissing at them that illegal immigration is an "act of love" and that common core is just swell and workin' fine is delusional. I've said this a thousand time. It applies to RINOs as well as TrueCons: No one convinces nobody else of nothin' at all. No one ever convinces anyone to change his political beliefs. Oh, yeah, it does happen, rarely, on an anecdotal level, but when thinking about politics on the statistical level (where one must think about it), it is safe enough to round down "almost never" to "never, ever" and just say no one ever convinces anyone to change his political beliefs, never, ever. The task of a candidate is not to change minds. This is all but impossible. Rather, the task is to run on a set of issues such that a majority of people already agree with a candidate, and de-emphasize or even delegitimize that set of issues such that other issues are considered secondary or to not even matter at all (sets of issues upon which the public does not agree with the candidate). Obama was a master of this latter skill, delegitimizing even the mention of issues upon which the public did not agree with him. That is how you win. Not by actually changing people's minds, but simply by arguing the issues upon which they already agree with you are paramount and determinative, and the issues on which they disagree with you are minor and not worth discussing much. Only egotistical fools bull forward with a plan to run on issues -- emphasize issues -- that he knows the voting public disagrees with him on. A few men have managed to change the hearts and minds of men with the power of their words, their logic, their empathy. Jesus Christ was one of them. There are about thirty other people throughout history beside him who managed to do the same. The average politician is simply not capable of this feat, and it exposes a politician as a fool of the highest rank to imagine himself so capable. Politicians win simply by confirming the biases, bigotries, and beliefs of a majority of the voting public, not by shaping men's minds as a sculptor invests clay with form. A winning politician is often likened to a weather vane. He can also be likened to a mirror. Barack Obama, a narcissistic fool if there ever was one, was nevertheless astute enough to recognize the heart of his appeal, noting that he was but a "blank screen" upon which voters could project their deepest beliefs. So Jeb Bush's candidacy is essentially a Protest Candidacy. Protest Candidacies are all about "convincing people" of this or that thing they don't already believe. Occasionally they may have some impact, in that they raise the profile of an issue. But what Protest Candidates do not do is win primaries, and Jeb Bush's Protest Candidacy (apparently protesting conservatism itself, it seems like) will likewise fail to result in an actual nomination. It will be the most high-profile, most extravagantly funded Protest Candidacy in history, but it will result in a failure, as all Protest Candidacies result in failure. Addendum: Commenters are talking about "splitting the RINO vote." I think an equally (if not more) likely scenario is Jeb's unifying the moderate vote, but around a different moderate. Moderates aren't stupid. They know that a pure moderate is unacceptable to the party, and hence a loser. Hence, moderates tend to look for people who compromise between the moderate wing and the conservative wing. Jeb's battle plan seems to be to champion the moderate wing, and actually just fight the conservative wing. He'll wind up making another moderate look good by comparison. A Chris Christie type will only have to say some vaguely supportive things about conservatism, and he'll look like a more unifying figure, and a more plausible candidate, than Bush. This is crazy. I don't know how many of these egotistical imbeciles (Huntsman, Bush) are going to go into a primary swearing I can fight all 40 million of ya and beat ya! You can't. This is a negotiation of a corporate merger, not a philosophy class with one man leading the class towards wisdom. A political campaign is a negotiation of a multiparty merger into one short-lived political corporation. You don't win by "winning," you win by making most of the factions feel they're all winning. Juiced? Nicholas Kronos:
183 If you read that story closely, it's all a big nothing, as Livia Soprano would say. Look at what Jeb! is actually *quoted* as saying--and who else is supplying most of the content, including the other quotes. Much of it is anonymous-sourced. Bush: "No one really knows." Knows what? Well, we have the writer telling us what Bush was referring to, but how much should we trust Easley? "It hasn't been tried recently." What is "it"? The writer says this was a swipe at Romney. Really? Would Bush run to the left of Romney? What about Bush's brother? That's pretty recent, too. Did his own brother not run on his convictions? And if we're talking about a moderate, what about Huntsman? Didn't Huntsman *try*? I'd like to know more about the context before I accept that Jeb! actually trashed Romney and his own brother as not running on their convictions. Note: I don't want Jeb! and won't support him. Even so, this is the media stirring up the GOP to fight against itself because the Democrats just lost and there's not much of a story on the Demo side. It's boring, old, drunk HRC.My reply:
This is a good point and one I was considering adding an update on. The "Jeb is the moderate warrior who will fight the conservative base" story is largely promulgated *BY THE PROGRESSIVE MEDIA* in covering Jeb, not by Jeb in his own words, himself. That said, I only tend to hear Jeb taking on the conservative base. I do not hear him attacking the progressive Social Justice Welfare State. I think the media is juicing this some, possibly just seeing what they want to see, but Jeb is in fact helping them do this. Let me note that when Jeb Bush spoke at Tom Tillis' campaign appearance a week before the election, he decided to make his pitch on Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Jeb Bush obviously thinks that the conservative movement has lost its way and is pretty stupid and irrational. But this is a great reason to write a book... and not such a good reason to run for president. He'll make a lot more money with a book. With a presidential run, he'll just lose tens of millions of dollars. I hope I'm not too cynical when I note that People do not want to be lectured that they are wrong. It's just the truth. I'm willing to consider I'm wrong, but I'll only hear that message from someone with authority, someone who I sort of defer to because I credit him with having done a lot of deep thinking about an issue. Jeb Bush, I'm informed, is a bright guy, and was, by most accounts, a good governor (and a conservative one, too). But for all that, he's still just a stupid politician, and I'm not eager to hear All the Ways In Which I'm Wrong from him on campaign hustings. Write a book, Jeb. I'll consider reading it, if the reviews are good.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: AL SHARPTON? at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: huerfano at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Attacking Italicans at December 03, 2014 02:54 PM (/Ho8c)
I like your slant on this topic.
Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at December 03, 2014 02:54 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:54 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Chuck 'The Scapegoat' Hagel at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (ZeBBB)
Posted by: huerfano at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Juan McCain at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Garrett at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (j/LXr)
Let the GOP go full middle.
Posted by: Entfremdung Politik at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (IuGIw)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Garrett at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (j/LXr)
Posted by: phreshone at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (/Ho8c)
*******
Heh. ;-)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (SCcgT)
Posted by: Just Getting a Head Start at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (yRj9r)
Posted by: YaHump at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (ZMEUf)
Posted by: Peaches (Team Perry) at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (oxkLl)
Posted by: Garrett at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (j/LXr)
Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Jim Webb at December 03, 2014 02:59 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 02:59 PM (JtwS4)
Jeb Bush has a plan, Super Cons!
He's changing his name to James Ewell Brown Bush or J. E. B. Bush, for short.
Pretty damn SMART, eh?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 03, 2014 02:59 PM (/dvmK)
Page me when someone bothers to found the Sanity Party. Because yes, Virginia, the GOP really is That Damn Stupid.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (DT3rQ)
Reminds me of the media lecturing Florida how unfair their vote was to certain groups--
Booom!
Pay back might not be a bitch...
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (RJMhd)
The GOPe cave on immigration and budget fights has made it a Cruz vs. Romney race... and Mitt is gonna strike out looking
Posted by: phreshone at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM
I don't think of it so much as a cave on immigration as what they and their besties at the US Chamber of Commerce want and they are so gun shy regarding a shutdown, their putative balls retreat into their chest cavities.
Posted by: huerfano at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (bAGA/)
Be sure to inform everyone whose wages are being depressed by sweeping amnesty that it is for their own good.
Fuck off,
fluffy
Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 03, 2014 03:01 PM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Whoopi at December 03, 2014 03:01 PM (LoIJo)
2. Needlessly piss of your base
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2014 03:01 PM (8ZskC)
We need someone as articulate, passionate and unafraid as Milwaukee Sheriff Dave Clark.
Not necessarily him, but his epic rhetorical beat-down of Holder is the type of thing a candidate must do all day every day for the next 2 years to get my support.
Assuming he/she is on the right side of the issues.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 03:01 PM (CMkNk)
signaling he will not bend from his centrist positions on immigration
and Common Core education standards in 2016 even if it costs him
support with grassroots conservatives.
So when did amnesty and common core become centrist positions. I love they they classify left wing BS as centrist while conservative are always far right. If Jeb Bush wins the primary it will because the RNCe played some dirty tricks using "special" delegates. Nobody but the the damn leadership gives a shit for Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:01 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Huckabee at December 03, 2014 03:01 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 03:02 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 03:02 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:02 PM (xWW96)
The average politician is simply not capable of this feat, and it exposes a politician as a fool of the highest rank to imagine himself so capable.
Politicians win simply by confirming the biases, bigotries, and beliefs of a majority of the voting public, not by shaping men's minds as a sculptor invests clay with form."
And that's why we can't ban dueling?
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 03, 2014 03:02 PM (pYEaj)
Posted by: Ralph Nader at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (3abKc)
Of course Jeb won't have to adjust his positions to cater to Super Cons - he intends to run for the Democrat nomination.
We WILL have another Bush v Clinton race in 2016, or his name ain't J. E. B. Bush!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (/dvmK)
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I like Napolitano "I haven't seen any of the evidence but he should have been indicted".
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (/nR7C)
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (z27Ny)
Posted by: Chris Christie at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Nonapod at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (CLP9I)
Second look at Shit Sandwich?
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (3abKc)
Does a Red or White go with that?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (BZAd3)
Really?
I was a Democrat before President Reagan, who convinced me to change my political beliefs.
Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (7ObY1)
It helps when you play a race card at will, and the MFM backs your play.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (Spluw)
Let him absorb the slings and arrows of the hostile press while a real candidate I can actually support maneuvers behind him.
Posted by: esch at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (eEEbp)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (8ZskC)
with words?
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Banana Republic at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (hKyl0)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (xWW96)
"Oh my stars and garters! Jeb Bush is going to fight the base! Whatever will we do?"
Or rather - "Who gives a whoop-de-do about this anyway?"
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: El Gobernadore Jeb Bush at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Pining 4 at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (jltpR)
Really?
I was a Democrat before President Reagan, who convinced me to change my political beliefs.
Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (7ObY1)
********
Can I ask you how Reagan did that?
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (RJMhd)
The RNCe has rigged the primary schedule so that Blue States name our candidate and even if that doesn't get them the RINO they want they have those super delegates that nobody talks about.
And the new schedule is even worse than the old. Now it proportional delegates for the first two months and then winner take all for the rest. That is INSANE.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (3abKc)
Does a Red or White go with that?
Gold
Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (3abKc)
-GOP
I respect the hell out of W but big media, leftist money, and yes, a spell of un-conservative actions by all of the family's officials, have made sure that name's not going to succeed on the national stage for some time.
Posted by: 0302 at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (N6eLE)
But I just said that he did. Why would I lie about it?
Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Dana Perino at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Jeb channeling the cowardly lion at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: George Orwell at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Jon Huntsman at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (8ZskC)[-i]
Fats & Tats, 2016!
The ads write themselves!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (/dvmK)
Down the road, not across the street . . . .
Here's a reminder for all you ever so practical and pragmatic and oh so much more realistic than I RINOs out there. I get to vote too. And if the ever so practical and pragmatic and oh so much more realistic than I candidate says that not only does he not want my vote but that he is contemptuous that I am even allowed to sully the primary with my vote? Well. I'll just take him at his word that he doesn't want it.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (mf5HN)
http://tinyurl.com/pn8uv7a
All he needs to say is "I love you, man."
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (/num+)
Posted by: daninmichigan at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (2yD4G)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (ABcz/)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ktp8rl4
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (xWW96)
**********
There is the Reagan Democrat, which may think is just the white Catholic vote--supposedly it "swings".
Democrats use Catholic guilt trip logic--a lot...
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Karl Rove at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (7ObY1) I'm not calling you a liar, I am suggesting Carter's performance made you open to Reagan's argument and logic.
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (/Ho8c)
Is he the lady-dude that closed the bridge to Russia from her house?
Posted by: Og Celtic-America at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (SFpiC)
72 Put 'em up! Put 'em up!
Posted by: Jeb channeling the cowardly lion at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (W5DcG)
Not until you put one arm behind your back...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (/dvmK)
Posted by: eman at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (32Ze2)
If during Bush and the GOP congress they had accomplished true border control and other means to slow the flow of illegals and get some percentage of illegals here to self-deport, then the issue would be mostly resolved and most (not all) Republican primary voters would be open to some form of pathway to legal status for some illegals.
Many of us said at that time (2006?) that if they did 4-5 years of true border security, true enforcement of immigration laws, true enforcement of work laws against employers - we'd be open after that to some form of legal status for some of the illegals. But they refused, thinking they could slip amnesty by in a couple of years. Now, 8 years later, we are still having the same debate. This would likely have been resolved if they were willing to do the right thing.
But the elites of both parties refuse. They want amnesty and no true enforcement, and refuse to bend. So, we end with nothing (because they pretend - illogically - that reform of immigration law is somehow beholden to legalizing the illegals, which is nonsense. You can reform the immigration law without addressing illegals whatsoever).
So, with that said, someone like Jeb doesn't have to change his beliefs. He can simply say - I swear that I will not sign any bill that grants illegals any legal status in during my first term and will instead work to increase border security, etc.. Then, they could do that. Then, during a second term, they can approach the illegals issue.
but, they will refuse. they want their amnesty and they don't want any stupid immigration enforcement.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (XzRw1)
|: GEORGE HW BUSH!!
THE LITTLE BROWN ONE!
JEB's Sister is A KOCH!!!!!
NEIL BUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Posted by: Left-Leaning People! at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at December 03, 2014 03:09 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 03, 2014 03:09 PM (YYJjz)
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:09 PM (/num+)
Big group of students here in Denver were doing their Fergie protest today downtown. 4 officers protecting them were hit by a car trying to go around protestors, 2 seriously injured, 1 critical.
Posted by: beerologist at December 03, 2014 03:09 PM (aIRMx)
There we go, someone parroting my idea...
Posted by: esch at December 03, 2014 03:09 PM (eEEbp)
Posted by: Jon Huntsman Sr. at December 03, 2014 03:10 PM (/nR7C)
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 03, 2014 03:10 PM (zmZ2x)
Posted by: George P. at December 03, 2014 03:10 PM (z27Ny)
No Clintons, Bushes, Kennedys, Obamas, etc.
No.
Like, why so mean, hater?
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton, American Dauphin at December 03, 2014 03:10 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: phreshone at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (LoIJo)
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Not sure about that. He
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (IXPIt)
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (3abKc)
I am sure that Chi-Town Jerry will agree with me on this, but this is categorically NOT true.
When you vote for RINOs, you eventually help to move them up the ladder to higher positions so that you have new people to vote for.
Posted by: J. Random FisCon at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (YYJjz)
today downtown. 4 officers protecting them were hit by a car trying to
go around protestors, 2 seriously injured, 1 critical.
Aw, man! That's terrible. And I didn't know the policemen were protecting protesters.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (HSmrB)
Having said that, I think I might enjoy watching another city go through riots.
Enjoy that New York.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (HDwDg)
Party identification had the Dems up by 4 before the mid-terms. It's now plus 1 for Republicans.
That said taunting a sizable portion of the Rep primary vote over a very controversial issue seems dumb at best.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:11 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 03, 2014 03:12 PM (32Ze2)
Jeb Bush doesn't say "I disagree with you but respect your position."
Jeb Bush says "I'm right, and you're an awful, vicious know-nothing bigot for opposing me."
Moreover, Jeb Bush disagrees with the base on issues that are WIDELY POPULAR with the rest of the country.
He's all in on immigration and amnesty. Maybe it's personal and familial or maybe it's deeper, but amnesty is a loser across the electorate. Even Hispanics aren't crazy about it (they'd rather have special treatment for themselves and their families).
He's also all in on Common Core. This one has to be about money. Somehow Jeb or his family is benefiting hugely from CC. In any case, Common Core is not popular and is hugely unpopular among people who know what it is.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2014 03:12 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:12 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 03:12 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:12 PM (xWW96)
Second look at Shit Sandwich?
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (3abKc)
Electing Jeb would be a willful third taste
Posted by: Giant Douche at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Banhammer TB3K at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (8ZskC)
What really raises the profile of an issue are events in the larger world that are usually unexpected. Categories of issues do not go away, they just vary in importance to one another in teh minds of the voters: is national security the major issue this round? Is it the economy? Cultural/social issues? A combination?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (hLRSq)
...and he expects me to vote for him?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (IXPIt)
Jeb should stfu.
Rove should stfu.
SCOAMF should stfu.
Al Sharpton should stfu.
Too many people hootin and hollerin these days. Maybe if we could spend a little more time shuttin the fuck up, we could hear ourselves think for a minute.
Posted by: ElKomandante at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (APQ2q)
I'd vote for Romney is a coke-fueled hummingbird's heartbeat.
Competence. It's a good thing.
Though I'd vote for Perry provided he didn't purchase a ranch with a landmark called "mexican pussy canyon" in the last couple of years.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (4CVLy)
Posted by: daninmichigan at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (2yD4G)
Okay. I cannot be the only one who had a moment of pondering the epic, epic hilarity that would be President Sharpton vs. The Teleprompter.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2014 03:13 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (/Ho8c)
Conservatives and TEA party folks... motivated voters... gave them control of Congress...
Now, they are ignoring the will of the base, who put them in power....
If Boehner in the House makes a deal with Pelosi to get a budget through WITHOUT even trying to fight the President's illegal order???
I predict the GOP is done... it will go the way of the Whigs, for the exact same reasons..
Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea... at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (f0pWu)
And how the Flip Wilson does Common Core impact Jeb Bush's life? NO ONE IN HIS FAMILY GOES TO PUBLIC SCHOOL.
I'm through with these elites and their abstract policy realms. If he had 5 kids in public school, and he had some sort of proof that Common Core would've significantly, positively impacted their educational experience, then maybe I'd listen. But to champion some cause that is pure abstraction for no bloody good reason; that's just stupid.
DOES HE ACTUALLY THINK THAT COMMON CORE IS GOING TO MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE WITH THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT HE WANTS TO ACCOMMODATE?
What a bleeping jackanape. Jackanape Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (RHLfG)
Unless you know that death is not a problem for you, this isn't the wisest strategy.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (78GBd)
This is obviously a progressive imposter.
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (rwI+c)
And, Reagan managed to convince a number of blue-collar white-ethnic Democrats to cross over and vote for him, even without changing their political allegiance permanently.
That's not as good as a complete realignment, but you take what you can get.
Part of what Reagan brought to the table was his own story of having been a Democrat in his youth, and having watched the party change beyond all recognition as it tilted further and further left. His very powerful line about how "I didn't leave them, they left me."
The only person in the modern GOP who has anything like that individually resonant story is Susana Martinez, with her relating the moment of realization by her and her husband that "Oh my gosh, I guess we're Republicans! What do we do now?"
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (ZeBBB)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (F2IAQ)
I'm still trying to figure out if this is one of those cases better handled in a civil suit.
Obviously something went horribly wrong, but we tend to set a high bar for criminality.
And while I very much want police reform, I'm not entirely sure sending cops to jail is the right answer either. (Although lets face it, they'd have gotten probation.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Gaff at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (jPS2y)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Tj at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (FBjP7)
Hector. He was busy doing the same stuff this morning.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: SMOD at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: L, elle at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (/num+)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo
he died of a heart attack. If he had been accosted in a case of mistaken identiy, you might have been right. If they had raided his house in error, and the stress caused it, you might be right. A repeat offender died of a heart attack while being arrested. I don't give a tinker's damn if the heart attack was stress, cocaine, or Big Mac induced.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Tj at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (FBjP7)
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Whatever happened to the Adams family?
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (z27Ny)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (ZeBBB)
Now, about this 'mexican pussy canyon' ... go on...
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (SFpiC)
Follow the money.
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (/num+)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (F2IAQ)
Hamsters are fickle, fickle beasts.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (mf5HN)
Obviously.
But they'll still hold it against us.
Nuke the fucker ace.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: esch at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (eEEbp)
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (YYJjz)
Counterpoint: Our rights are just downstream the rights of criminals.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (HDwDg)
about money. Somehow Jeb or his family is benefiting hugely from CC. In
any case, Common Core is not popular and is hugely unpopular among
people who know what it is.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2014 03:12 PM (L2xDv)
Did you see that post I had this morning about CC. It's not just about the feds taking over curriculum either. They are also building a huge PERMANENT database with psychological profiles and personal info on all the children. AND they are not telling parents.
If the whole nation ever gtes wind of that they will go ballistic.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (u9gzs)
But Common Core? That's a deal breaker for me. This is worse than amnesty, much worse.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: David Brooks at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Mainah at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (XzRw1)
*******
Moderates if they are not stupid might figure out that the Bush name would cost unnecessary loses in the primary.
A Clinton can run for eternity a Bush cannot.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (RJMhd)
Had to look that one up:
"When someone makes a frown so intense that it resembles the muppet character, Beaker. Usually reserved for a late night intoxicated photo opportunity."
Awesome.
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (/num+)
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (/FnUH)
The venemous hatred is the giveaway.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (ABcz/)
I've decided to now only make reference to Jeb York and Hillary Lancaster.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (8hctH)
And swears the Rethuglicans and Teatards have partnered with ISIS.
Off his meds, obviously.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (ABcz/)
I'd like to know why I keep hearing that the base is the south and border yet its the same southern politicians who keep folding on illegal immigration. Bush 2, Perry, McCain, Bush 3...
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (Ua6T/)
A Clinton can run for eternity a Bush cannot.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (/FnUH)
Threadwinner.
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (3abKc)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (u9gzs)
And then it gets tied to Catalyst... the Progressive Database which also gets, and gives, info to Fecesbook and Googly
Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea... at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (f0pWu)
Bush: "No one really knows." Knows what? Well, we have the writer telling us what Bush was referring to, but how much should we trust Easley?
"It hasn't been tried recently." What is "it"? The writer says this was a swipe at Romney. Really? Would Bush run to the left of Romney? What about Bush's brother? That's pretty recent, too. Did his own brother not run on his convictions? And if we're talking about a moderate, what about Huntsman? Didn't Huntsman *try*?
I'd like to know more about the context before I accept that Jeb! actually trashed Romney and his own brother as not running on their convictions.
Note: I don't want Jeb! and won't support him. Even so, this is the media stirring up the GOP to fight against itself because the Democrats just lost and there's not much of a story on the Demo side. It's boring, old, drunk HRC.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (IOt29)
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Yes they are. The fact they are moderates makes them stupid. Moderate means I don't really know what's going on around me so I will say I'm a "moderate" or "centrist".
I have more respect for batshit leftist loons than I do for moderates/centrists. At least batshit leftist loons believe in something.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (0LHZx)
Let your anger go, little troll; accept your increasing irrelevance. You will be happier.
Let It Go.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:15 PM (HDwDg)
**********
I had a bad feeling about this from the beginning. The man was not resisting and they took him down in a choke hold. The mans own weight on the choke hold killed him. The whole time he was supine with officers on top of him he was complaining about not being able to breathe. Maybe it is not murder (per se), but it most certainly is something similar to it.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (32Ze2)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:16 PM (rwI+c)
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Congress has already attained that goal.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (IXPIt)
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at December 03, 2014 03:20 PM (SFpiC)
Hah!
A conservative who lives in NYC.
Nobody wants your support. Nobody needs your support.
Move to NJ where you can vote for a RINO!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (Zu3d9)
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I don't want to get to technical here but how is it a centrist position if 70% oppose it? Isn't that more of an extreme position?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (XUKZU)
No Clintons, Bushes, Kennedys, Obamas, etc.
No.
.
.
.
.
.
Really, no.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (ABcz/)
That's what you get when you replace a republic with an oligarchy.
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Flask at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (2cS/G)
IIRC, the UK did that years ago. Here's a fun story about branding your kid a racist when he's three years old: http://tinyurl.com/64qc9ms
"In total, 34,000 nursery, primary and secondary pupils were effectively classed as bigots because of anti-bullying rules"
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (/num+)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (ZeBBB)
********
Hector was SERBIAN--damn it.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Ferdinand Graf von Zeppelin at December 03, 2014 03:21 PM (LoIJo)
this is a good point and one I was considering adding an update on. The "Jeb is the moderate warrior who will fight the conservative base" story is largely promulgated *BY THE PROGRESSIVE MEDIA* in covering Jeb, not by Jeb in his own words, himself.
That said, I only tend to hear Jeb taking on the conservative base. I do not hear him attacking the progressive Social Justice Welfare State.
I think the media is juicing this some, possibly just seeing what they want to see, but Jeb is in fact helping them do this.
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Officer Wayne Brady what is even nicer than officer gumbell at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (3yfGn)
Posted by: Beaker at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (RwwCT)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks!
Agreed. And such things should be done properly, and with reason. I also think that the cigarette tax crap in NY is ludicrous. But he was a criminal, not Rosa parks. or that retired minister in Boston who died in a botched raid that never should have been conducted. He was a criminal, and he was obese, and he was arrested, and he did resist.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (XUKZU)
Punctuation saves lives.
Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2014 03:19 PM (Ua6T/)
***********
WE'RE HAVING GRANDMOTHER FOR DINNER?
Posted by: AL SHARPTON? at December 03, 2014 03:23 PM (32Ze2)
Posted by: The reasonable conservatives from Brattleboro at December 03, 2014 03:23 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:18 PM (u9gzs
One would hope, but I have my doubts.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:23 PM (F2IAQ)
Often, this is for all practical purposes changing minds. For example, one politician might emphasize educating children who are here illegally, might emphasize not breaking up families. Another politician might emphasize disease spread, jumping ahead in line, increased crime, taking handouts meant for citizens. They're different issues but the same Issue.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 03, 2014 03:23 PM (J0IP0)
Frankly trying any type of cross chest hold on a 300lb guy who's a good 6 inches taller than you is not a good idea for multiple reasons that deal mostly with physics (more so than the actual threat.)
Having said that, at what point does ineptness become criminal? I'm not sure. I'm surprised it didn't go to trial, especially since NY grand juries require only 12 of 23 jurors to indict. But given the standards to reach any criminal charge, would it have done anything? (Besides have the process be the punishment.)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! at December 03, 2014 03:23 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 03:23 PM (/nR7C)
This is your mind on Jeb Bush (picture of a steaming pile of horseshit)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 03:24 PM (k+AIG)
"Like it or not amnesty is here to stay and illegals will keep coming into the country."
......................
I don't see it that way. Er, wait a minute... I do see it that way.
Posted by: Jeh Johnson at December 03, 2014 03:24 PM (wAQA5)
apply to them," said Rick Wilson, a Florida-based GOP strategist.
The rules of the primary are the same as in the general election:
1. Lie to the voters
2. Get elected
3. Implement the leftist agenda
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 03:24 PM (dcY7v)
Posted by: Jeb at December 03, 2014 03:24 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:24 PM (IXPIt)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:22 PM (xWW96)
********
I'm half Croat...so...
Actually damn it--my Grandpa's serbian connections get me the damn best STEELER tickets.
50 yard line--20 seats back or so--for $110
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:24 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:25 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: King Putt at December 03, 2014 03:25 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:25 PM (u9gzs)
I hear Hillary! is inevitable too.
Usually claiming inevitability is a sign that you've lost the argument, so you simply insist it's just going to happen!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 03:26 PM (ABcz/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 03:26 PM (ZeBBB)
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:26 PM (/num+)
Posted by: Karl Rove at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (LoIJo)
From your lips to God's Ears, Karl my boy.
Posted by: Mary Landrieu at December 03, 2014 03:26 PM (hslAc)
Posted by: Lois Lerner at December 03, 2014 03:27 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: My Brain Hurts! at December 03, 2014 03:27 PM (SFpiC)
*whines incoherently* *Flails about*
Posted by: Beaker
Awesome.
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 03:27 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 03, 2014 03:27 PM (RiMtm)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 03, 2014 03:27 PM (32Ze2)
The Bushies are NOT from the South. They were all from the NE and moved
South for political reasons. In short, they are locusts.
I despise the entire family. Almost as much as the Obama's.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 03:27 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (3abKc)
Posted by: My Brain Hurts! at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (SFpiC)
Posted by: Soona
I wouldn't wish for this. If that vermin runs, two things may very well happen.
1. Everyone else runs to the right of him.
2. When he cashes in/sells out, and he will, he'll remain to attempt to bring in the black vote in the interest of "solidarity".
If he was a rethuglickkkan, and if the MFM wasn't the MFM, this could be feasible. But he ain't, they are and so it is.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (Spluw)
Elizabeth Warren is from Oklahoma and yet all I hear is that she is a MA liberal. Works both ways.
Fact is the Bushes haven't lived in the north since the 60's and a lot of southern conservatives are very squishy on illegals.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (g1DWB)
A bench warming rino from a dynasty that's dead
Then one day he was talking like a fool
the right wing said dude you really are a tool
The next thing you know ol' jeb goes down in flames
the con folk said nah bro you're fucking lame
They said maybe democrat is where you ought to be
So he pulled off his mask and holy shit its Hillary
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Rep. Larry Craig at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (LoIJo)
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Jeb and Jugs 2016
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:29 PM (XUKZU)
This is called the John Sidney McCain strategy
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the Sheena Easton Fan Club at December 03, 2014 03:29 PM (OWjjx)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:25
Dammit Vic! Now you are giving locusts a bad name.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:29 PM (F2IAQ)
"Like it or not amnesty is here to stay and illegals will keep coming into the country."
..................
Is that a colloqueluleeism? I'm trying to use big words.
Posted by: Josh Earnest at December 03, 2014 03:29 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 03:29 PM (ZeBBB)
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:30 PM (/num+)
----
I'm tanned, rested and ready, amigos!
Posted by: Marco Rubio at December 03, 2014 03:30 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
Surely, this is our King.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 03:31 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:28 PM (g1DWB)
I have NEVER met a Southern Conservative who was squishy on illegal migration and amnesty.
I don't know when they moved South but I know they were born in the NE and moved down here.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:31 PM (u9gzs)
I remember shortly after 2012 election Ace posted poll of conservative bloggers poll of 2012 presidential candidates of who they wanted the least(& possibly the most?) and Romney & Ryen were losers. For 2016 losers were Bush & Christie.
I don't remember if it included who the most wanted are. Does anyone remember?
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 03:31 PM (sj3Ax)
Bad technique, but not necessarily murderous.
But it was the combination of lots of cops who decided that no matter what, this guy was going to jail. Because you just can't disrespect a cop in this country and be allowed to live.
For a tax violation. Selling untaxed cigarettes.
Wow. That's like getting arrested for an expired parking meter.
They should have given the guy a ticket and let the courts deal with the rest of it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:31 PM (Zu3d9)
racist.
Posted by: Jiminy cricket at December 03, 2014 03:31 PM (Spluw)
Keep humping that chicken, jerkwad. It *is* Hump Day, after all.
Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (RJMhd)
I feel for social conservatives seeking public office. Morals seem largely passe. Go to a big city (where most of the population is) and say something about life being sacred and judge the reaction for yourself. Or better yet, ask them if it is morally OK to rob a bank and possibly accidentally killing someone in the process BUT you haul in a million dollars that you can give to the poor - is that a moral cause? I have asked that question many times in Seattle and have never gotten an answer other than "that is not only moral but righteous". I may have to look up what "rightious" means in today's society.
Posted by: Illustrator at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (+YBGJ)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (xWW96)
*sniff*
That was beautiful, man.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:33 PM (RJMhd)
Dammit Vic! Now you are giving locusts a bad name.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:29 PM (F2IAQ)
This is the term a lot of us have applied to idiots who shit in their own backyard, complain about the stink and the flies, them move South and start shitting all over again.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:33 PM (u9gzs)
JEB in the general??! I just might get my job back
Posted by: Lois Lerner
..................
And I bet you're stupid enough to take it and give up your paid-for-life vacation.
Posted by: wth at December 03, 2014 03:33 PM (wAQA5)
It's not a regional thing, it's conservative vs liberal.
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 03:34 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 03, 2014 03:34 PM (kso21)
Posted by: Colon Powell at December 03, 2014 03:34 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 03, 2014 03:34 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:34 PM (F2IAQ)
Now she's ready to be an outsider.
HILLARY / WALKER:2016
not Paul Walker, Her Walker.
_
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (4CVLy)
But what ever you do, do not forget to pick up a fun-pack of Holiday Anguish from the Outrage Outlet for when relatives drop by for two weeks.
*I suppose that eventually someone will actually announce that he or she is running, turning these speculative practice nightmares and day-rages into real, undeniable existential agony.
Can hardly wait!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (hLRSq)
Everyone, STOP littering history! Dammit, the progs have enough to wipe away already
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (3ZtZW)
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR JEB. He's nothing more than McCain/Romney roadkill.
I've voted for Perry 4 times as well. I will not do so again.
If Cruz runs for POTUS, I would have a hard voting for him, even though I probably agree with him more than any other candidate, because he should stay in the Senate for at least 2 full terms.
Rand Paul, nah. He's a good Senator.
Sarah Palin = TIME BOMB. And I agree with her on quite a lot but....
So that leaves Walker and Jindal. I could get excited about Walker/Jindal '16. Possibly Walker/Cruz. But I'm not sure how much appeal those tickets would have.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (P0AbR)
Well it all depends on the definition of conservative which changes like the wind. Marco Rubio was a Palin endorsed Tea Party hero. How did that work out? Rick Perry? Yeah. GWB was hailed as the compassionate conservative. Its a long list.
>>I don't know when they moved South but I know they were born in the NE and moved down here.
Bzzzzz. Wrong. GHWB moved the family to Texas after getting out of Yale in the 50's and they been based in the south ever since.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (g1DWB)
I can't says this any clearer, only louder - if Jeb gets the nod (likely before my state even gets to its primary vote, like McCain, Romney, etc.) then I'm stayin' home. Just so the RNC knows. Or what, are ya gonna guilt me with "bu...bu...but the Dems wil f*ck up the country!"? That SS Boogeyman has already sailed.
Posted by: Saltyron at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (i6shs)
Posted by: Bayou City at December 03, 2014 03:35 PM (8yWf/)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:36 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:25 PM (u9gzs)
It must be nice being so sure of yourself.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:36 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:31 PM (Zu3d9)
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So the guy tears up the ticket when he's away from the cops, disregards the court appearance, the judge issues an arrest warrant, the cops come to take him in, and we're back to square one.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:37 PM (IXPIt)
That was beautiful, man.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 03:32 PM (0HooB)
yeah, well that's about as family friendly as I could make it. The first version was...darker. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 03:38 PM (FMbng)
also, this is a democracy, so bringing in a replacement constituency is borderline treason.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 03, 2014 03:38 PM (kso21)
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 03:38 PM (Oz2Jh)
See? All you TruCons are responsible making the GOP the "Party of No"
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 03:38 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Jann Wenner at December 03, 2014 03:38 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 03, 2014 03:39 PM (TIIx5)
The economy is still in the shitter, we're being invaded, inflation is real and we're drowning in unnecessary regulations. The rest of the world is laughing at us and Russia's up to their old tricks again. The MFM refuses to tell us what we need to know in order to govern ourselves...
...and no one in a position to stop it even mentions any of those things.
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (0HooB)
Exactly. But instead of some poor schmuck being dragged to the ground for a bullshit infraction, of which he has not yet been convicted, he is dragged to the ground for ignoring a valid court order from a judge.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (Zu3d9)
And Sean Davis is a good guy. It just goes to show, no one is 10X10 in their views. Take your allies where you find them.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: John Boehner at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (LoIJo)
And you can see the results.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (u9gzs)
Gloria Allred is about to hold a press conference with 3 of the Cosby accusers.
No word if she plans to jack off a baseball bat again on live TV.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (k+AIG)
Get in step wingnuts.
Posted by: Jeb Bush Who Gave Hillary An Award at December 03, 2014 03:41 PM (XzRw1)
He did, it was about immigration and the love for amnesty. Him and another politician wrote it and were on the tv tour this past year.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 03, 2014 03:41 PM (F2IAQ)
End. Of. Story.
It is amazing to me that the Nominate Mr Electable wing of the party is seriously floating this dude's name. And, yes, I am including Romney in that wing given the reporting (from iirc Byron York) that he thinks that only he or Jeb can win.
There *are* some candidates who are probably seen as "moderates" or "centrists" whom I could support in the general. And there are even a couple of folks I'm still eying in the primary whom I suspect might be a bit more centrist-y than idea (Gov. Martinez being one of them). But it is ludicrous to see the names that we see bandied about by the Smart Set: Jeb Bush, Mitt 3.0, Chris Christie, and Rubio are all damaged goods. Rubio is probably the least damaged (or most fixable, in large part b/c he has a pretty short record and used to be popular), so if I had to guess, I'd say he's the one who will be offered to us as the Great Compromise Candidate.
But, man, can't we do better?
Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2014 03:41 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: The Who at December 03, 2014 03:42 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: CozMark
I think Walker might be very appealing. By '16, white, boring, and competent may be back in style.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 03, 2014 03:42 PM (hslAc)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 03, 2014 03:42 PM (uqV2n)
We just won an election based upon NOT doing uber-liberal government, and Jeb and his entourage are ignorant of this reality.
If Carter begat a Reagan, and Bush begat an Obama, then we know all we need to know about what the next Republican presidential nominee needs to be... a Conservative who believes in core conservative principles. Jeb has two things going against him right now; one, that he isn't a true conservative and two, that he is a Bush.
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at December 03, 2014 03:42 PM (xdMK5)
Posted by: cajun caret at December 03, 2014 03:43 PM (UZQM8)
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 03:43 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:36 PM (Zu3d9)
When you are right, you are right. And there are a LOT of us on this site that view it that way. Note that I did not categorize it as all northerners who move South. Just the ones who leave crappy Blue States who move South and start the same blue shit all over again that they voted for all along.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:43 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Okay at December 03, 2014 03:43 PM (yRj9r)
Has Perry changed his stance re: in-State tuition for illegals, no fence, or are those still operative points?
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:36 PM (2cS/G)
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He sent the TxNG to the border where they accomplished almost nothing because they weren't allowed to do anything. President of Mexico wasn't very happy about it but he calmed down after a new cycle or two. Take what lesson you may from that (my take - PR stunt).
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 03:44 PM (P0AbR)
Posted by: Reggie Love at December 03, 2014 03:44 PM (LoIJo)
It's *rude*. Set aside all the political considerations. It's *rude*. You have one job when you are stumping for someone else. That job is to blow sunshine up that other person's ass. That's it. Your speech should be about how full of sunshine and rainbows and puppies and unicorns and Mom, the flag and apple pie the candidate is. That's it.
Doing anything else is ridiculously narcissistic.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (mf5HN)
Well, now that you have told me that you are right, I'll just ignore the fact that George Bush built companies in Texas and created jobs. Apparently that is the textbook definition of "locust."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:40 PM (Zu3d9)
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Obviously NYC didn't consider it a bullshit infraction.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (IXPIt)
Too much support of the establishment GOP kills Jeb's chances. The Republicans needs to run a real maverick in order to win.
Posted by: Ed Anger at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (RcpcZ)
I can no longer stomach the Bush family.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home for Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (gCFbU)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (4CVLy)
http://tinyurl.com/nrxflyf
And no flies on him. He can chase an ambulance like nobody's business.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (XUKZU)
Maybe politicians can't change people's minds outright, but they can reach into corners of voters' own minds that they haven't explored yet.
Saint Reagan did that. He spoke a brand of common sense that people recognized as inherently American.
I'm hoping -- though not persuaded -- that there is still a Silent Majority of sensible Americans who can be persuaded that markets work, liberty is good, taxes are theft, etc.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home for Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (gCFbU)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Jeb Bush Who Gave Hillary An Award at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Erowmero at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (ZY9+4)
Walker/Jindal '16. Possibly Walker/Cruz. But I'm not sure how much
appeal those tickets would have."
Walker/Jindal is interesting, but isn't Walker squishy on amnesty? I like Cruz, but he was born in Canada. That makes him ineligible, if the Constitution still means anything.
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (dcY7v)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (LIoem)
Is that to tune of Beverly Hillbillies?
It's great!
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 03:43 PM (sj3Ax)
Yup, it seemed like a perfect fit.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (mf5HN)
Or...it's one more data point that shows that Jeb Bush isn't such a smart politician.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: El Rushbo at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (xpPRn)
He waited until he was in the WH then crossed the aisle to team up with Ted "the swimmer locust" to take over local schools.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:47 PM (u9gzs)
Then he became FL governor.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
We would be okie-dokie with this.
Posted by: rioters for justice at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 03:44 PM (P0AbR)
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As I stated this last summer when all of this was happening, that Perry had a once-in-a-lifetime golden opportunity to shine as a national leader.
He refused. I'm burnt out on Perry.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (IXPIt)
That's exactly what I mean about the definition of conservative meaning something different to different people and sometimes the people we think are conservative really aren't. The Tea Party was full of support for Rubio in 2010 when he ran but he went full amnesty as soon as he got elected. He's been backtracking ever since.
Perry has become Mr. Enforcement a couple years after telling us we were heartless for not supporting his illegal magnet, in state tuition.
I think toby was pretty close to it up thread when he said that the person who can the most people to support them based on their views is the person who owns the base. For that election anyway.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (g1DWB)
Jeb is disqualified because he's a Bush.
End. Of. Story.
He was a good governor re: hurricane preparations. Perhaps for other reasons I cannot remember. But he became a Dreamer. That alone should doom him, as, hell, polls show that LEGAL Hispanics vote against illegal immigration amnesty.
His third reason for being delusional is his belief in Common Core.
So, a trifecta of doom. I like 'W', not his second term, but I like him. But no dynasty for moi. Maybe that Kennedy-kin dating Mylie Cyrus (the tongue) should run? I have no idea how to spell her name and am too lazy to look it up. Or the Kennedy guy who murdered someone (oops, which one?). Or the Kennedy who drove to Congress on Ambien (oops, which one?). Or the Ambassador to Japan because she is a Kennedy (and does not, like the other women, use sunscreen, bless her heart). xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky has no energy to riot at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (dMEBN)
Radio news just said the GJ has refused to indict the co-p who choked the man who died.
So I guess we get NYC Ferguson now.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (u9gzs)
I'm not looking for a repeat of the last Bush or the last Clinton, but the reality is that there wasn't much difference between the two except that I made a whole hell of a lot more money in the Clinton economy than I did in under the second Bush.
I'm not saying Hillary could turn the clock back to 1997, but if 2016 came down to Bush v Clinton you'd need a feeler gauge to measure the distance between a Clinton trying to get the white people back and a Bush trying to sell the GOP to Hispanics.
Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Shecky Soetoro at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: Chauncey from Owen at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (/WmRg)
Me too. But they're certainly invisible to the GOPe.
I'd like a candidate who panders to America, but I haven't seen one in many years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Tj at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (FBjP7)
Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 03:50 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:50 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:45 PM (IXPIt)
Do you?
And....how come everyone who comments on this blog is disgusted by every aspect of big government, including its inherent unfairness, yet cops are some magical exception to the rule that government sucks and can't do anything right?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:50 PM (Zu3d9)
We need more good, solid Southern families in the White House, like the Clintons.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM (2cS/G)
NOBODY in the South considers AR the South.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:50 PM (u9gzs)
Our primary is going to be a circus.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 03:51 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:46 PM
She prefers hardwood. Trust me.
Posted by: Huma Wiener at December 03, 2014 03:51 PM (knoK7)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:51 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Huma Wiener at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (knoK7)
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Because they're in the danger zone risking their lives so I can sleep a little safer.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Y-not, conservative from a blue state married to a conservative Yankee at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (knoK7)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:53 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 03:53 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 03, 2014 03:48 PM (nFdGS)
That place is insane when you see it in person. I was there 2-3 years ago. Its one hell of a spread. I mean I wasn't in it, but you can just about drive up to it.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 03:54 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:54 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 03:36 PM (2cS/G)
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A few background points on Texas granting of in-state tuition.
1. Texas allows in-state tuition rates for residents of other states who live in a county bordering a TX county with a state university campus (pre-Dream act)
2. Texas allows in-state tuition rates for some residents of Mexico at state university campuses in TX border counties and in select campuses elsewhere in the state. (pre-Dream Act)
3. The Texas DREAM Act extended in-state tuition rates to illegal residents of the state (if they agreed to some trivial conditions).
4. The Texas DREAM act added to campuses where residents of Mexico receive in-state tuition rates.
5. The Texas DREAM provides for state student aid for illegal residents (dollar amounts have been rather small)
6. The DREAM act received strong bi-partisan support (and likely retains it).
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 03:54 PM (z27Ny)
Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 03:54 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:54 PM (zOTsN)
re Cruz. IF he runs, what's going to be funny is watching the left and the media go nuts over his eligibility in relation to natural born citizen. This in the light of their absolute non-concern about any aspect of choco-jesus' backgroundwill be entertaining.
Personally, I'd love to see Palin run. I'd like to see her run strong just to show the left thattheir best efforts to destroy her where so much fart gas.
Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 03:55 PM (gvqyH)
Seems as if the issue is that Democrat voters, wherever they're from,
don't suddenly become Republican voters when they move to a Republican
state. I don't get what is gained from assigning an explanation based on
what part of the country they're from.
Posted by: Y-not, conservative from a blue state married to a conservative Yankee at December 03, 2014 03:52 PM (9BRsg)
True, I only mentioned the North because that is where the majority of them come from moving to the SE. It is the same out West with them bailing out of CA to CO, AZ, NM, and NV.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 03:56 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:56 PM (Zu3d9)
I'm quite convinced the current state of the country can't be altered without throwing a whole shitload of people in jail and sending others -- like the aforementioned Williams -- off on extended
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 03, 2014 03:56 PM (yAC3X)
Right now, the Bush legacy is on an upswing. The natural result of allowing time to heal old wounds. Further, the Bush's have wisely stayed out of the limelight. Finally, Obama is doing his best to make all of his predecessors look good.
For the sake of Jeb's son - George P. Bush - he should not run. His son clearly has political aspiration. He is already saddled with the Bush name - which is a huge asset, but also a potential liability. He is already saddled with Uncle's state - Texas and his first name.
What George P. is not necessarily saddled with is having to defend the actions of his grandfather and uncle. If Jeb runs, he will be more directly tied to Jeb's policies. It is hard to run away from your father (see Rand).
Plus, a Jeb run will prevent George P. from making his own connections, endorsements, and policy preferences right now that may benefit him in the future. Maybe he wants to support Perry or Walker and thinks that will be best for him in the long run. He won't be able to do that if Jeb runs.
To me George P. is the future of the Bush dynasty, not Jeb. Jeb can only harm George P. by running. Whether we like the idea of dynasties or more specifically Bush dynasties, the family clearly has political aspirations.
So if I were in the Bush family circle, I would want Jeb to avoid running because such a run will likely destroy or severely damage the Bush dynasty. Stay out, and allow George P. to breath. He is the future of the dynasty.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 03:56 PM (gmeXX)
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Maybe they just like Maine because it is a beautiful state.
Are we allowed to like different parts of the country and live in different parts of the country and enjoy different regional cultures or does that make us traitors to our birthrights as Southerners or Northerners or Westerners?
smdh
Posted by: Y-not, conservative from a blue state married to a conservative Yankee at December 03, 2014 03:57 PM (9BRsg)
Those four things are the letters
1. B
2. U
3. S
4. H
Really, aside from his last name, he's a random nobody, with no "base," no core of supporters, no overarching philosophy, and no charisma.
He is running solely on Name Recognition and nothing more.
Name Recognition will get about 25% of the vote, for the ultra-low LIVs. The other 75% will ignore you.
Posted by: zombie at December 03, 2014 03:57 PM (K4YiS)
This is what I'm talking about:
"My parents immigrated to the United States with $10 in their pocket and a belief that the America they had heard about really did exist as the land of opportunity," Love said during one of her speeches.
Now I'm not saying she's the vehicle for the message (yet), but someone seasoned should be able to articulate what it is that makes America particularly awesome and how the instruments of the Left are being used to dismantle that.
Feel good piece on Mia Love:
http://bit.ly/1wtrEb9
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 03:57 PM (JtwS4)
I just don't see why he's so hell bent on making Amnesty his #1 issue.
And yes, Rick Perry's open borders nonsense had as much to do with his imploding campaign as his debate performances. had be had a tough record on illegal immigration, I honestly think the base would have looked past his bumbling on stage.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 03:57 PM (4xsOa)
Posted by: Tj at December 03, 2014 03:57 PM (FBjP7)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at December 03, 2014 03:57 PM (LoIJo)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
I think that cops do many things wrong. I don't think that either the gentle giant or this jerk are cases of cops running amok. There are hundreds of cases where cops have attacked people, ignored crimes, shot dogs, bragged about getting away with crimes and raped women they pulled over. The clowns that murdered a former Marine while staging a raid that was described as being similar to "keystone kops" should all have been indicted. The cop who shot a woman to death in Snohomish county back in 1990 and lied about "not remembering what happened" is another great example of police forces brutalizing those that they supposedly serve, and then using the peoples resources to thwart justice.
Here, a fat, stupid repeat offending street criminal had a run in with cops and died of a heart attack. he wasn't two old asian ladies delivering papers who got over 100 rounds fired at them. He wasn't a child maimed by a flash grenade.
Posted by: rioters for justice at December 03, 2014 03:58 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:58 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 03:59 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 03, 2014 03:59 PM (/GgDU)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 03:59 PM (zOTsN)
Look, if Georgette Mosberger wants Jeb to be your nominee, Jeb will be your nominee.
You may think you have a choice, but really, you don't.
Really.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2014 03:59 PM (TOk1P)
What kind of tablet? I use iPad here & I can open links with
Mercury browser. See if you can install it on tablet.
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 03:59 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Ben Carson at December 03, 2014 04:00 PM (XzRw1)
They were busted until GWH married Barbara Walker. SHE had all the money. They had pissed all their father's money away.
Sort of like ole George Washington marring the richest widow in VA.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 04:00 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 04:00 PM (sj3Ax)
This guy died because he was selling cigarettes without a tax stamp.
That's a bit different than the Gentle Giant.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:00 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Chauncey from Owen at December 03, 2014 04:01 PM (/WmRg)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2014 04:01 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Just Getting a Head Start at December 03, 2014 04:02 PM (yRj9r)
That seems like a smart way to win a primary.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 04:02 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:02 PM (zOTsN)
That's a bit different than the Gentle Giant.
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I thought we were mad at Obama for enforcing only those laws he liked and agreed with.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:02 PM (XUKZU)
I think the NYC case was no a race issue. It was a thug cop issue.
Down state NY cops are thugs. I would say 70-80 percent of them are in for 20 and fuck everything else. Complicate their day and pay the price.
Posted by: Ben Carson at December 03, 2014 04:02 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (XzRw1)
Two answers ... One, many on here just can't see Warrior Cops ever exercising excessive force on themselves. That shit only happens to other people, who mostly deserve it.
Two, most people here - when you get down to it - are only for Limited Government when Big Government is goring their particular ox. As long as Big Government is promoting their particular brand of Truth, Justice, and the American Way - it's all good.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (Oz2Jh)
>>That's a bit different than the Gentle Giant.
And resisting arrest. I don't know about you but if I've got 4 priors and I'm out on bail and breaking the law again for one of those same crimes when the cops catch me, I don't give the cops a ton of shit.
If he had let the cop take him in he would be alive today.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (g1DWB)
Looks like he is succeeding, eh? Feel the yank on that chain yet?
The tell is Common Core. Bush's immigration views aren't quite Obama's, he is for enforcing the laws even as he views an eventual amnesty as an essential reform. He could sell it to all but the nativists.
But Common Core is so deeply flawed it is causing blow-back from teachers who are not conservatives or Republicans as well as parents. If Jeb were going to run, he would be hedging on that one, taking note of its evident problems, vowing to correct them, etc. Simply standing by his bill like a little Tammy Wynette and baking cookies for educrats isn't the behavior of a guy who is running.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (QIQ6j)
So they can't even predict the weather 8 hours down the road. But they can predict the weather 20 years from now.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (u9gzs)
Didn't he die because he was resisting arrest?
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (gvqyH)
Posted by: Reggie Princess Homosex at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (WhqgX)
For better or worse, the name Bush is poison in American politics and will be for at least another generation. He has no chance of winning a general election.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (0LHZx)
States Rights!
It is idiotic. Calling the Bushes "locusts" because some of them moved from New England to the South and Texas.
I am confident that the people of the state of Texas, in particular the hundreds of people whose jobs were created by Bush money would disagree with that characterization.
It is parochialism on the most base level.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (Zu3d9)
Never Another Bush!
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I'm not making the case for another Bush, but your statement illustrates perfectly why Jeb should not run. A Jeb run will likely destroy the Bush dynasty. The best way to continue the Bush dynasty is to wait until the next generation. There is only one that really fits and that is George P. Though he has the same name as W - he is not W's son. This benefits him. The name is too toxic now. Does Jeb want to snuff it out for good. Or give his son a chance?
That's not advocating for more Bush's that is just making the case from a Bush perspective.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (zOTsN)
I think the cop should go to trial. I think he should be convicted of
some kind of manslaughter. Still not sure if it was race based
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:02 PM (zOTsN)
Well evidently he is not. They refused to indict.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:05 PM (u9gzs)
*cough* former Florida governor *cough*
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 04:05 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 03, 2014 04:05 PM (k+AIG)
Posted by: Just Getting a Head Start at December 03, 2014 04:05 PM (yRj9r)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:03 PM (u9gzs)
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Ahh yes but you see weather isn't climate, so shut up teabagger.
PS: When it's 93 in June, it's totally proof that global warming exists. Why? Because....shut up teabagger.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:05 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:06 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 04:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Two answers ... One, many on here just can't see Warrior Cops ever exercising excessive force on themselves. That shit only happens to other people, who mostly deserve it.
Two, most people here - when you get down to it - are only for Limited Government when Big Government is goring their particular ox. As long as Big Government is promoting their particular brand of Truth, Justice, and the American Way - it's all good.
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The cops' job is to enforce the law. If they aren't enforcing the law they aren't dong their job.
I agree the cigarette tax is not only stupid, it's a government scam. But that doesn't mean the cops or the perpetrators can ignore it.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:06 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
And was in violation of a bond. And resisted arrest. And he was on a seefood diet.
If I walk out in traffic cause I'm busy staring at a woman's ass, then blaming Eve might have some truth, but it'd be mostly bullshit. Other factors may be present. If he was a store owner being hit for fines for advertising on his canvas awning, which used to be a big thing, then I might have some sympathy. If this genius had the sense to burn some calories and sell cigarettes without the tax stamp up an alley or out of a third floor apartment, then he would have gotten exercie AND he wouldn't a blatant bit of criminal street theater.
Posted by: rioters for justice at December 03, 2014 04:06 PM (Spluw)
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Then I think you ought to support a Jeb run. Because I think a Jeb run will limit George P.'s aspirations which I can only assume (since he is a Bush) include the Presidency.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
Sad.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 04:07 PM (Snhp1)
Posted by: Roy at December 03, 2014 04:07 PM (VndSC)
I might mention SI is the whitest borough in NYC. They really don't like thugs. Only 9% Black out of 465,000. About 40,000.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 04:07 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:07 PM (zOTsN)
Nobody mentioned funnel cakes!
Are you holding out?
http://tinyurl.com/nroujml
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:07 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:07 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:50 PM (Zu3d9)
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It doesn't matter what I think. I live in OKC. OKC has laws. Some are misdemeanors, some are felonies. I do my best to stay within the laws. When I don't and am confronted by the police, I don't resist, no matter how trivial I think the law is.
I'm pretty positive this guy was consciously breaking the laws of NYC, and when confronted, decided to resist and it turned out to be over stressful for him.
There are consequences to every action. Some good, some bad. I have to weigh them with every decision toward every action that I make. It's called personal responsibility.
Some day I may feel the calling to start resisting the government and no matter how in the right I think I will be, there's going to be consequences to my actions. Probably not good ones. But it will still be MY actions, my responsibility.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:08 PM (IXPIt)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:08 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:08 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:08 PM (rwI+c)
I think I voted for the Libertarian. George P. won with 61%. Couldn't find anyone better than tfg in the entire state.
NOBODY can negotiate mineral rights better than George P. Bush in the state of Texas?
They won't go away. We finally rid our country of Kennedy spawn buying political office. Now apparently we have to contend with Bushes for the next 20 years.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 04:09 PM (JeBIy)
Posted by: FDR's Television at December 03, 2014 04:09 PM (ne2fm)
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The police are the ultimate form of the state because they have actual real weapons.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:09 PM (gmeXX)
I still think it's bullshit.
The fact that an American from say Oklahoma goes to a University located in Texas and pays more in tuition than an illegal from Mexico is bullshit.
I'm not saying that it's the only reason to dismiss Perry, but I think all conservatives (mostly) agree that you can't incentivize illegal immigration with goodies, especially better goodies than your fellow Americans get.
And then there's Perry's stance against something as basic as a border fence.
Perry is an open borders Hispanderer, he really has the same outlook on illegal immigration as Jeb Bush but for some strange reason gets a pass.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:09 PM (4xsOa)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 03:50 PM (Zu3d9)
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Military is the same way. Government sucks and is awful and wasterful....'cept for the military which should have a blank check as its annual budget.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:10 PM (0LHZx)
The guy died b/c of a bad law, overzealous enforcement of same, resisting arrest (and all the Potentially Bad Things that can happen when you do that), and too many cheeseburgers.
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 04:10 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Reggie Princess Homosex at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (WhqgX)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (2cS/G)
Great White Snark, remember that, if / when shit continues on it's current course, and you ever find yourself on the wrong side of some bullshit law ... say, something politically motivated.
The Law is the Law. Resist, and you'll get what you get. They're only doing their job.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (Oz2Jh)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (T4t+V)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (0FSuD)
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The big difference between the military and the police is that the military generally is not taking action against the American people.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
it's going to get worse as more universities continue to troll for out of state/foreign students. They generate more dollars per place, and often use the residential facilities, unlike the children of the peasants living in state. So the legal residents now have to compete for dwindling in-place seats?
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (T4t+V)
I wish.
Posted by: Reggie Princess Homosex at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (WhqgX)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (rwI+c)
the same outlook on illegal immigration as Jeb Bush but for some strange
reason gets a pass.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:09 PM (4xsOa)
You have been paying to much attention to the MFM and the RNCe. Perry is NOT open borders. The in-state tuition is ONLY for children of illegals who have lived in the State for a number of years, graduated from HS in the State, and meets some other conditions.
All of his other comments and actions have been for closed borders but limited by the stupid SCOTUS ruling for the AZ laws.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:11 PM (zOTsN)
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Whatves. Anytime there is a suggestion to cut the military budget by even a pittance, it's the end of the world. It's no different than the left when someone suggests cutting food stamps by 2% or something and the reaction is OMG millions will die.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Tj at December 03, 2014 03:49 PM (FBjP7)
I keep saying that at this point, an Ivy League degree should be an outright disqualification for elected office.
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
________
Yet....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (0LHZx)
Q: So the country has a 18 trillion dollar national debt. What will you do?
A: Common Core and amnesty. I'm hungry, anybody want lunch?
Posted by: Jeb at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: NY Police Union Local SI#999 at December 03, 2014 04:14 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (zoehZ)
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Ted Cruz has a Harvard degree.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:14 PM (0LHZx)
Everyone knows cigarettes lead to early death.
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 04:15 PM (dcY7v)
Great White Snark, remember that, if / when shit continues on it's current course, and you ever find yourself on the wrong side of some bullshit law ... say, something politically motivated.
The Law is the Law. Resist, and you'll get what you get. They're only doing their job.
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I've been on the wrong end of a traffic ticket from time to time. I didn't get shot or choked. If you think that you will have more personal freedom if the cops decide which, if any, laws to enforce, you are wrong. Doubly so if you think the cops should never enforce a law when there is a risk of physical confrontation.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:15 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:15 PM (rwI+c)
He really did have he hands up and was backing up. I disn't see resistance
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:04 PM (zOTsN)
Watch the video again. He gets pretty fuck you. They are trying to write him a ticket and he gets agitated and says he's not going. This has to stop. Remember this guy was know to the cops. It was sting. An undercover guy bought some cigs, they closed in.
I thought the cops showed some restraint for about three minutes, then they had had enough.
You don't fuck with redneck cops, anywhere, anytime.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 04:15 PM (0FSuD)
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George P. went to Rice and UT. Again, from the Bush point of view, Jeb should be doing everything in his power to enhance George P. so that some day he has a plausible path to the WH, which means setting aside your own aspirations.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
And you and I are similar in our dealings with authority. But our society is not designed for perfect citizens, otherwise we would have no need for police.
I find it disgusting that policing in America has become a binary decision.
Ignore the crime, or use overwhelming force.
There is another way.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 04:15 PM (dcY7v)
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Dont choke.... have a smoke.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (NaV4z)
http://is.gd/guuHvm
Countdown until the MFM goers all berserk again.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (rwI+c)
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Not when you're tripping your testicles off on LSD, you won't. Learned that the hard way. Twice.
Posted by: Oschisms at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (uqV2n)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (0LHZx)
*********
That reminds me people were saying that D-Lamp was banned for wishing Blue Cities would get nuked by terrorists--
that was YOU.
And you were on that thread and you stayed silent about it.
Ick.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (RJMhd)
Cut. Jib. Ideas. Newsletter. Subscribe.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (noWW6)
I see Jeb Bush in two ways (w/o reading the post, yet).
Ignorant
Arrogant
He's an "ant" of some sort.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (IXrOn)
And if Fatty looks at them funny, he gets the hose. Understood.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (Oz2Jh)
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (RJMhd)
*** done sorting Christmas Tree lights ***
time to read the content.
Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2014 04:19 PM (DL2i+)
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I'd settle for just cutting every department by 1%.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:19 PM (gmeXX)
The big difference between the military and the police is that the military generally is not taking action against the American people.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
Eh, for the most part.
Posted by: LA National Guard, post-Katrina at December 03, 2014 04:19 PM (u9OP6)
A: Common Core and amnesty. I'm hungry, anybody want lunch?
Posted by: Jeb at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (wAQA5)
This is the problem: you could substitute just about any Repumpkin for that quote and get the same dismissive answer.
Do these "people" even live here? Do they ever go anywhere and see all the closed storefronts and see homeless people at intersections? Don't they see the workforce participation numbers at their lowest in generations?
People are hurting like never before and their primary issue is Common Core and amnesty for invaders? WTFF?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 04:19 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:20 PM (gmeXX)
that was YOU.
And you were on that thread and you stayed silent about it.
Ick.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (RJMhd)
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And this has to do with the fact that "real conservatives" don't mind paying trillions for the military how exactly? I don't see why yuo're getting so worked up over this. Whenever the military is up for debate, the general consensus here and other right blogs/sites is that cutting military spending is a bad thing. It's hypocritical. Be man enough to admit it.
I have no idea what D-Lamp said by the way. I don't keep track of every post made here every day.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (0LHZx)
Because that's exactly what happened!
Posted by: Just Getting a Head Start at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (yRj9r)
This is basically because the vast majority of people are stupid and have never thought through anything. All they want is to belong to the right tribe and to have people think they are not as stupid as they are.
Most liberals agree with everything the right think, they just won't agree in public or if it's stated in terms they have been programed to refuse.
Repackaging, chrome, bright lights, fairy dust and light breeze blowing in their ear and ass simultaneously and they'll think they came up with all the ideas.
It's all in the delivery.
Posted by: jwest at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (vwlGK)
There is another way.
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Of course, that is true. But it is not supposed to be a fair fight. The cops are supposed to have overwhelming force and, for that matter, a monopoly on violence. The cops are supposed to win as quickly and with as little risk as possible.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (XUKZU)
The issue is when an Ivy president starts stuffing his administration with Ivy cronies and Ivy academics.
It's the Hahvahds in the Cabinet, sub-Cabinet, and Czar/Rasputin roles that are the real problem.
Mind you, the current wormtongue is a Stanford psych BA and a Michigan JD.
Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:13 PM (zoehZ)
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Ted Cruz has a Harvard degree.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:14 PM (0LHZx)
And doesn't his wife work for Goldman Sachs?
I am by no means on the Cruz bandwagon.
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:22 PM (zoehZ)
Speaking to hundreds of Granite State voters at a private reception, the
Texas governor was asked whether he supported a fence along the Mexican
border.
"No, I don't support a fence on the border," he said,
while referring to the long border in Texas alone. "The fact is, it's
1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso. Two things: How long you think
it would take to build that? And then if you build a 30-foot wall from
El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good."
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:22 PM (4xsOa)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (XUKZU)
Risk to whom?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (uSAVP)
>>Ignore the crime, or use overwhelming force.
>>There is another way.
What? Seriously, what do you do when you are trying to arrest a multiple offender who is out on bail and committing a crime right in front of you and is not only resisting arrest but claims "It ends today"?
The guy was about morbidly obese, had high blood pressure and asthma all of which the coroner said contributed to his death. Hit him with a stun gun? Yea, heart attack.
Sure there are cases of police abuse but when you are a known criminal and caught committing a crime and you resist you have moved the burden onto yourself.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (g1DWB)
So is the idea that it would take too long to build.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (4xsOa)
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Woah - I'm not sure I agree with that at all. I do not think the state should ever have a monopoly on violence. Nor do I want the state to win as quickly as possible on anything. Whenever you use the term police, substitute the word state. It makes you think about it differently.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (IXrOn)
Fucking pissant.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (CMkNk)
I am sure we will hear more in days to come.
But now I think I'll go fix supper before the flame wars get any hotter.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (2cS/G)
Law enforcement is known to have abused its power, and the military is known to have wasted money, done Bad Things, and gotten people killed and maimed. But both, like government itself, are something of a necessary evil. And I think that both functions are arguably necessarily performed by a government rather than private agencies.
Huge sums of public money funding Cowboy Poetry Slam Sessions start off lower on the priority scale, and the local Cowboy Poetry Writers Guild can probably do it better with a few bake sales. And why should everyone in the country pay to fund that in the first place?
So, abuses and failures and waste and graft occur in police forces and in the military. It's not universal, just like it's not universal in any given government bureaucracy-there really are good public servants out there. That government fails is a given, but the bigger question than how or why it screws up is what are the things it should be failing at and which ones should be left to the People?
Posted by: T. Jeff at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: dustydog at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (Rqd+i)
Posted by: Karl Rove at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (dVmLD)
Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (o+SC1)
And this has to do with the fact that "real conservatives" don't mind paying trillions for the military how exactly? I don't see why yuo're getting so worked up over this. Whenever the military is up for debate, the general consensus here and other right blogs/sites is that cutting military spending is a bad thing. It's hypocritical. Be man enough to admit it.
I have no idea what D-Lamp said by the way. I don't keep track of every post made here every day.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:21 PM (0LHZx)
*********
No it has to do with you making a pattern of anti-military comments.
And I was riding your ass one day here when YOU specifically got all emotional and irrational and wished for NYC to get nuked.
Ace defended you.
Last night--with you on the thread D-Lamp was accused of that--and you did not man up and own up to the fact that you did that.
Man up.
That's all.
I don't think you have once admitted to being overwrought and wrong about that.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 04:25 PM (LIoem)
And doesn't his wife work for Goldman Sachs?
I am by no means on the Cruz bandwagon.
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:22 PM (zoehZ)
__________
So what? Do you want a president whose wife works as a Walmart cashier?
Seriously, this is insane. You don't want Ted Cruz because - GHASP!! - he went to Harvard. Come on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:25 PM (0LHZx)
>>>>>>>>>
That didn't stop me!
Posted by: Judge Napolitano at December 03, 2014 04:25 PM (yRj9r)
I took the ticket, went on my way, and I was one of 19 people whose tickets were dismissed when the cops failed to show up that day. Same two cops.
Yes there is bullshit out there. They were probably conducting a ticket mill, and pulling people over without cause. That is, or should be, illegal. I didn't get my dumb ass killed over it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:25 PM (Spluw)
That's only half the story. Perry supports measures that will actually secure the border. He wants full drone coverage and troops ready to deploy every few miles. We have our own little armada of river boats that are shot upon regularly. He's not wrong about the fence. He wants strategic fencing in populated areas and drones and troops everywhere else.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:26 PM (BPMYx)
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (u9gzs)
Hey, Vic. The rap sheet on this dead goof is quite long and "interesting" to say the least.
Hate to say it, but the officer did the public a service. Whether or not what he did deserved an indictment is, as you so correctly point out, a matter of the evidence shown to the Grand Jury.
And now, potatoes au gratin to be made.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:26 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 04:26 PM (IXrOn)
Last night--with you on the thread D-Lamp was accused of that--and you did not man up and own up to the fact that you did that.
Man up.
That's all.
I don't think you have once admitted to being overwrought and wrong about that.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 04:24 PM (RJMhd)
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I remember the NYC getting nuked thing vaguely, although I don't think I said nuked.
But I honestly have no idea what you're talking about with regards to D-Lamp.
As for the military, I said I want the military to be cut and from that I am "anti military". Thanks for proving my point perfectly.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:26 PM (0LHZx)
But now I think I'll go fix supper before the flame wars get any hotter.
Screw you, you damn dirty RINO!!!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 04:27 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 04:27 PM (3ZtZW)
Countdown until the MFM goers all berserk again.
.......................
I'll have to check MSNBC tomorrow morning to see if Tamron Hall's cleavage isheaving mightily. Or not.
Posted by: wth at December 03, 2014 04:27 PM (wAQA5)
Maybe not Ivy League but it is Austin.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 04:27 PM (wVWRM)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:27 PM (XUKZU)
Back to other things. Like writing. After a nice soak in a very warm tub of water. Ahhh.....
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (I9oW4)
So is the idea that it would take too long to build.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:23 PM (4xsOa)
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McAdams - I've had this debate with you, so I know we won't change each other's mind on it. But simply building a fence (or two fences as Bachmann suggested) seems rather impractical. If you simply build it and do nothing more, you have done nothing. And there is a cost to building a fence along the entire border when the problem is concentrated in certain areas.
To the extent that you think we should build a fence as a first step and as a symbolic show that we are getting tough on border security, I guess I can go along with that.
But you selectively left out Perry saying he would put additional troops on the border, he would invest in technology that would better secure the border. I think those would do a lot more than simply building a fence.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 04:27 PM (wVWRM)
It's the Bush League.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:26 PM (0LHZx)
**********
I said---pattern.
You resent military getting to retire early.
Douchetastic.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (P//TQ)
*************
YOU DON'T KEEP TRACK OF EVERY POST MADE HERE EVERY DAY?
Posted by: Alfred Charles Sharpton Jr. at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (vgIRn)
The GOP smell victory, and it's going to be a dog fight -- worse than normal. Someone could actually win in 2016.
The whiff of power is overwhelming. Like a crazed aphrodisiac.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (IXPIt)
So what? Do you want a president whose wife works as a Walmart cashier?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:25 PM (0LHZx)
No, I want one whose husband works on a fishing boat.
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: The Great White Snark
That's funny right there.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: the Chicken at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (wAQA5)
All of that non-violent crowd control technology we've been hearing about could be used (or at least tested) against those lawbreakers, should they defeat a fence.
We have the technology, to coin a phrase, and the public opinion to seal the border. Why we aren't doing it when every other country is befuddles me to no end.
Everyone else gets to enforce their border except us? Thanks for your Open Borders Initiative, George Soros. May you rot in Hell.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: eleven at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (LA7Cm)
I'm probably coming in on the tail end of a discussion here, but my take is, when cops are exercising a LEGAL apprehension of a suspect, they need to have the ability to be completely in control of the situation. Which means overwhelming force if necessary, and ALL the violence in the situation remains in their control.
Bigger question of course is, who decides what they are doing is legal?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 04:30 PM (LIoem)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2014 04:30 PM (I9oW4)
To the extent that you think we should build a fence as a first step and as a symbolic show that we are getting tough on border security, I guess I can go along with that.
But you selectively left out Perry saying he would put additional troops on the border, he would invest in technology that would better secure the border. I think those would do a lot more than simply building a fence.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (gmeXX)
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Your argument is basically if solution X doesn't solve 100% of Problem Y, don't even try Solution X.
Will a a fence stop 100% of illegals? No. Will it stop 40%? Probably.
Given that illegals cost taxpayers anywhere from $80B to $400B a year, saving 40% of that will very quickly pay for any costs related to building the fence.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:30 PM (0LHZx)
Pretext to nationalize all local law enforcement and convert them to the Internal Security Police (the one with more funding than the DoD) in 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 -
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:30 PM (CMkNk)
They do. They also burrow underneath.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:31 PM (BPMYx)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 03, 2014 04:31 PM (vPh3W)
Mmmm..hmmmm.
Posted by: eleven at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (MDgS
Gratin Dauphinoise - see below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/gratindauphinoise_72994
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:31 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:32 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:32 PM (Zu3d9)
Saps are much more dangerous than sticks when you bonk a noggin. All the energy gets transferred to the brain case.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:32 PM (rwI+c)
Saps are much more dangerous than sticks when you bonk a noggin. All the energy gets transferred to the brain case.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:32 PM (rwI+c)
Almost 50 years later and I still can't figure out Spock's neck pinch.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (CMkNk)
McAdams,
That's only half the story. Perry supports measures that will
actually secure the border. He wants full drone coverage and troops
ready to deploy every few miles. We have our own little armada of river
boats that are shot upon regularly. He's not wrong about the fence. He
wants strategic fencing in populated areas and drones and troops
everywhere else.
Posted by: Lauren
But isn't that the same story open borders, Chuck Schumer Democrats give us?
"Of course I'm for securing the border, but not right now and certainly not with an expensive fence!"
The language he used, like it taking too long or too expensive, illegals will just overcome it with ladders, etc. are exactly the same talking points the pro-amnesty crowd uses.
Honestly, would it really be the end of the world if we did spend a lot of money on a border fence? What exactly would be the downside? My guess is it would cost about what we spend every six weeks on Medicaid.
Whenever I hear someone is against a fence because it's too expensive or ineffective, I have to dismiss it as a smokescreen.
Why is it that every prison in America is surrounded by a fence if it's so ineffective?
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (4xsOa)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
As in, "he died because he was selling cigarettes without a tax stamp"?
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (BPMYx)
Yes, we have to build fence & something like The Berlin Wall.
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: david at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (mmgaE)
Posted by: your mule at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (wAQA5)
Hands up, don't choke!
.................
That's what I say!
Posted by: the Chicken at December 03, 2014 04:29 PM (wAQA5)
************
Solidarity brother. We all have similar issues.
Posted by: Brotherhood of Dolphins, Clowns, Bishops and Yogurt Trucks Local 154 at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
As in, "he died because he was selling cigarettes without a tax stamp"?
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:33 PM (Spluw)
I blame the IRS.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (CMkNk)
As in, "he died because he was selling cigarettes without a tax stamp"?
>>>>>>>
Or no one on this blog ever, ever, ever criticizes the police. Ever.
Posted by: Judge Napolitano at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (yRj9r)
Will a a fence stop 100% of illegals? No. Will it stop 40%? Probably.
Given that illegals cost taxpayers anywhere from $80B to $400B a year, saving 40% of that will very quickly pay for any costs related to building the fence.
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That's not my argument at all. In fact, I think a fence should be built and is perfectly appropriate in many spots, particularly the border spots that are most troubling. I think Perry said as much.
If the argument is fence or no fence, then I guess i am on fence. If the argument is how to best secure the border, then I lean more towards Perry's proposal of build a fence where appropriate, put more men along the border, and obtain the best technology.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Okay, I'll buy in on some of that action.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:35 PM (Spluw)
I understand the Great Wall of China was rather effective for nearly a thousand years.
Until the filthy gwei-lo's came.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 04:35 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:35 PM (2cS/G)
That's a bit different than the Gentle Giant.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:00 PM (Zu3d9)
Waaaaay different. And contra a couple of other opinions, killing him was not a public service. It was a clear abuse of power. Watch the video.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:35 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 04:36 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:32 PM (rwI+c)
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I liked the baton. It can be used in numerous ways.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:36 PM (IXPIt)
No! Because he's not saying "not right now" he's saying "That's not the best way to secure the border Here's what we're going to spend your money on instead. Here's why it's a better use of money and more effective at stopping border crossings than a fence would be."
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:36 PM (BPMYx)
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Woah - I'm not sure I agree with that at all. I do not think the state should ever have a monopoly on violence. Nor do I want the state to win as quickly as possible on anything. Whenever you use the term police, substitute the word state. It makes you think about it differently.
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So you think if the cop roll up on an armed robbery in progress the criminals ought to have an equal chance at the ensuing shoot out or else it isn't fair?
Ignoring the constitutional provisions which at least imply that citizens have a God given right to use violence to overthrow tyranny (which was not the situation here), the government ought to have a monopoly on the use of force or violence to impose policy (which is different from acting in self defense). If a man can smack a woman around for burning the beans or a robber can smack a store clerk around for not forking over the loot, that is tyranny.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:36 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2014 04:28 PM (I9oW4)
Of course, it is a specialty here. That and blinding rages, crushing depressions, and frantic panics.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 04:37 PM (hLRSq)
Err, I think the Founding Fathers might have a wee bit of disagreement with you on that.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:37 PM (mx5oN)
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That is a ridiculous statement and you know it. If all you did was just a chain link fence you have achieved nothing. You have to have the troops and technology to back up the fence. But why have a fence for the 1,000 miles in which no one crosses?
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:37 PM (gmeXX)
This is gonna be a three way race:
Cruz-conservatives
Rand Paul-libertarians and non-interventionists
Christie-moderates
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (X+nFp)
I'll try to quote accurately from the Horde.
Make the rubble bounce.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (Snhp1)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:34 PM (gmeXX)
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Building a fence "where appropriate" means the illegals will just go to where there is no fence. The high traffic areas will be fenced off. Guess what happens the next day? The old low traffic areas, now become the high traffic areas, and you're right back to square one. They did this in the San Diego area and the fence helped a hell of a lot. So what happened....instead of illegals coming into the country in San Diego, they now do it further west in Arizona. End result is same amount of illegals.
It's like saying I don't have the money to totally fence my yard so I'll just fence 1/2 of it. Well great you fenced 1/2 your yard. It doesn't do shit for keeping your dog from figuring out how to get out of the yard.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (rwI+c)
C'mon Jeb, let's see what you've got.
Also, I need Babs take on this. Is she going to come around and support sonny boy?
Posted by: Booze at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Bigby's
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As a matter of interest, a Sap is a sub-order of Blackjacks. The horde being composed of Inquiring Minds, I offer the following Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/grqr3
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:36 PM (IXPIt)
TF sticks!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:39 PM (Zu3d9)
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Did they hold up their hands?
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At that point they became women of virtue and covered their aforesaid moneymakers.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:39 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2014 04:39 PM (FsuaD)
Ignoring the constitutional provisions which at least imply that citizens have a God given right to use violence to overthrow tyranny (which was not the situation here), the government ought to have a monopoly on the use of force or violence to impose policy (which is different from acting in self defense). If a man can smack a woman around for burning the beans or a robber can smack a store clerk around for not forking over the loot, that is tyranny.
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I think you need to look up the definition of violence. State monopoly on violence strikes me as a very scaring thing indeed.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:39 PM (gmeXX)
No. We (and Perry) are saying that fencing is a good option in some
areas, but not all. Instead of wasting money where it doesn't make sense
to fence, let's use the money on something that actually works. Unlike
the Fed Gov, Texas can't just print money. We actually have to fund this
shit, and Perry is doing more than anyone else in the country to secure
the border.
Posted by: Lauren
The federal government would be the one paying for the fence, at least they have for every other fence that's been built so far. Texas paying for it has never been on the table.
I don't think it's possible to "waste" money on any fencing. I think it sends a VERY clear signal to those coming across. The psychological effect alone would be worth every penny.
Again, I really don't think Rick "you don't have a heart" Perry was making a fiscal argument for being against a fence, I think he's trying to appeal to Hispanics by opposing a border fence. No different than Jeb Bush.
The fact that children with nothing but a water jug are able to wander over the border tells me we need better PHYSICAL boundaries. Any sort of manpower border is at the whim of a Democrat President.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:40 PM (4xsOa)
People, if there was going to be a fence, Texas would have built it already.
Posted by: Booze at December 03, 2014 04:40 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Insomniac
He was an obese street criminal. He died of a heart attack. If he keeled over while reading his obamacare bill, we'd be tempted to say it did it. If Christina hendricks flashed him, we'd joke that she was the cause of death. He was a repeat offender, though I don't know what was on his list of offenses.
There was a student just a few months ago that was standing there, quiet and compliant, detained after a college party had been busted,and the cop standing nearby smacked him. All on tape. The DA didn't want to press charges. There's a case to indict.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (Spluw)
I guess you missed the part about complete drone coverage and troops stationed across the border to intercept crossers.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (BPMYx)
For some reason, the Israelis haven't had any trouble with people slapping ladders up against their security wall, which is not that much higher than 30 feet. Maybe we should ask them for a few tips.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6)
*sees bullet casings from circular firing squad*
*sneaks away*
Pretty sure a saw a guy with a trident.
Posted by: eleven at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (1Y+hH)
Two words: Moats, gators
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (0LHZx)
That and blinding rages, crushing depressions, and frantic panics.
Whoa fella! Somebody needs some Kate Upton.
NQSFW
http://bit.ly/1yQSARk
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (JtwS4)
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If that is true, then expand the fence.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:42 PM (gmeXX)
The underlying rationale, according to the Meme-Setters in the media, for Jeb's run is this: The GOP "establishment" is emboldened by their 2014 victories -- they believe they have the so-called tea party wing of the party under wraps.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 04:42 PM (rTCJ6)
I had a chance to walk on The Great Wall of China last month. Remarkable achievement that spans so extremely rugged terrain for more than 5000 miles.
It worked pretty damn well for centuries and the idea we can't build what the Chinese built with nothing but manpower is ridiculous.
We lack will not ability.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:42 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: KWdreaming at December 03, 2014 04:42 PM (8QW0x)
Can I interest you in an earthquake machine? Could generate a bit of uplift for you.
Posted by: Niccola Tesla at December 03, 2014 04:42 PM (v3pYe)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (rwI+c)
Ignorant
Arrogant
He's an "ant" of some sort.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 04:17 PM (IXrOn)
I was thinking "unt"
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (noWW6)
Jooo magic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:41 PM (BPMYx)
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You mean the drones and troops we already have stationed all over the border right now? Yeah how's that working out? You could hire another 50,000 border patrol agents and it won't do jack shit on a 1200 mile border. You need a physical barrier to stop people from coming in. Anything else is just window dressing.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: the 'who was phone?' guy's brother at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (T4t+V)
Posted by: toby
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And a lot of used ladders.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (l1zOH)
If the GOP "establishment" really is emboldened by the victories of Thad McCocksuckeran and Mitch McConnell (who beat an idiot), then they're bigger fools than I had imagined.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 04:43 PM (rTCJ6)
fence my yard so I'll just fence 1/2 of it. Well great you fenced 1/2
your yard. It doesn't do shit for keeping your dog from figuring out how
to get out of the yard.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Exactly.
The fence works WHERE there's a fence. You need the entire thing secured.
Will some be "wasted" fence? Maybe, but so what.
The fact is, we've tried the "drones and more manpower" and we had 50,00 children get past all of that.
How about we try a fence? If it doesn't work, oh well.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (4xsOa)
Redefine the 14th Amendment.
Tax all financial transactions to Mexico under $1Mill at 50%.
Fine all employers with bad employee SSN's.
Fixed.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (Snhp1)
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:37 PM (mx5oN)
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The Founding Fathers designed the Constitution for a moral and, for the most part, individually responsible populace. We ain't got that anymore.
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (IXPIt)
It's co-authored by, you guested it, Jeb Bush!
Posted by: Karl Rove at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (dVmLD)
I had a chance to walk on The Great Wall of China last month. Remarkable achievement that spans so extremely rugged terrain for more than 5000 miles.
It worked pretty damn well for centuries and the idea we can't build what the Chinese built with nothing but manpower is ridiculous.
We lack will not ability.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:42 PM (g1DWB)
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I'll bet you Jeb Bush has a nice sturdy fence guarding his house. As does Obama. As does GWB. As does Perry. As does every amnesty pimp that said fences don't work.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (0LHZx)
Err, I think the Founding Fathers might have a wee bit of disagreement with you on that.
The FF didn't have a problem with quickly hanging criminals either.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (LIoem)
Posted by: zombie thomas edison at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (T4t+V)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (rwI+c)
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I think that is the best argument in favor of a whole border fence. But it obviously requires more than just building it. That is a first step.
But I find it funny that Mr. Moo gets upset at people who have questioned him for wanting to shrink the military budget but then doesn't afford me the same latitude when it comes to border security. There is only a limited amount of funds, so I want it to be used effectively. I think just building a fence is an ineffective use.
That being said, I could possibly buy into the psychological argument offered by McAdams.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Golfman in NC
Didn't Arkansas or Alabama institute something that was effective? Not that these aren't good. You have to add "It's for the children" after each one though.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (2cS/G)
Is it me or does Jeb look slightly retarded? Serious question.
A little inbreeding usually has that effect on the human condition.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (XzRw1)
I can get the fence for next to nothing. Just put solar panels on it and go for the govt subsidy.
Climb that, bitches.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (1Y+hH)
I can get the fence for next to nothing. Just put solar panels on it and go for the govt subsidy.
Climb that, bitches.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (1Y+hH)
Actually, if my math is right that's an agent every 127 feet, or two agents every 254 feet. I think that would do quite a bit.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (J0IP0)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (0LHZx)
My dog is definitely going to run 130 miles to get around the fence to chase a squirrel.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 03, 2014 04:46 PM (MbqmP)
We have the will. A clear majority wants the border closed and sensible immigration policies instituted.
What we don't have is representation.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 04:46 PM (0HooB)
I was describing the HQ's usual moods. Happy is not one of the moods here.
Other than me; I'm happy pretty much most of the time.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 04:46 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (IXPIt)
Perhaps, but I don't find that a valid justification for giving the state a "monopoly on force." In some ways, that's even worse since you're drawing the people you want having all the guns from that same immoral, irresponsible populace and giving them incredible power.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:47 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2014 04:47 PM (DT3rQ)
So his campaign tactic makes true his dim mind spew that a moderate has to win. Because Jeb intends to campaign scorched Earth style to make sure that once he gets done only a moderate has a chance.
So the tack that he is running on isn't to maximize a Republican winning office, or even himself, but to prevent a conservative from winning office, even if it means handing the Presidency to the Democrats again.
Anyone who publicly supports this stunt has 0 credibility in my mind.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 03, 2014 04:47 PM (0q2P7)
Didn't they open the door in the fenced area to let a large number of them through?
I want a fence but nothing will stop the flow while this political class is in power.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 03, 2014 04:48 PM (Mxs5H)
Posted by: Luis Gutierrez at December 03, 2014 04:48 PM (wAQA5)
Other than me; I'm happy pretty much most of the time.
I know. I was just trying to bend the thread vector a little.
Failed.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 04:48 PM (JtwS4)
They can't work all of the time, so x6 would give you a good number.
Still, that's an agent every 762 feet, which would be quite a deterrent.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:48 PM (Zu3d9)
You couldn't be more wrong. The fed will do nothing at the border. The only ones doing anything or spending any money is Texas and we are bleeding money down there.
Gov. Perry was joined at the press conference by Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw, who discussed the significant impacts of the ongoing, state-led surge operation - dubbed Operation Strong Safety - in the Rio Grande Valley. Since the beginning of the operation in June, weekly apprehensions of illegal aliens by federal authorities have dropped dramatically in the area of operation - with most recent figures showing an approximately 73 percent decrease.
This week, the Legislative Budget Board voted unanimously to continue funding Texas' enhanced border security presence through August 31, 2015.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:48 PM (BPMYx)
Actually, if my math is right that's an agent every 127 feet, or two agents every 254 feet. I think that would do quite a bit.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (J0IP0)
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If all 50K worked 24/7, sure.
And if all 50K were actually in the field 24/7, sure.
Reality is that of the 50K, 2/3 would be off duty at any given time. And of the 1/3 on durty, 1/3 of those would be support personel, desk jockeys, union reps etc.
So really out of the 50K you'd have an actual human every 550 feet or so.
Still won't do much when you have a swarm of 200 illegals coming through.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Saracuda at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (rwI+c)
Thanks! I own a pair of sap gloves, somewheres. Probably in the bottom of Lake Ontario.
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: dantesed at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (88xKn)
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 04:44 PM (IXPIt)
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Yeah, well I think the idea that the state should have a monopoly on violence should really scare people. I don't think people really mean that - if they were to just use those words. And saying that I find it scary does not mean that I think the police should be completely hamstrung from stopping criminals.
But a statement that the police should have a monopoly on violence implies that the citizenry should not be able to "police" themselves.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (gmeXX)
fence my yard so I'll just fence 1/2 of it. Well great you fenced 1/2
your yard. It doesn't do shit for keeping your dog from figuring out how
to get out of the yard.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (0LHZx)
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The part that would not be 'fenced' is a hundred miles of mountainous desert with virtually no water apart from the Rio Grande. No one lives there for a reason. There aren't any towns much less roads. It's a desolate place and if people (hikers/campers) don't know exactly where they are they often die there.
It's actually better than a fence in deterring people from going there.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (BjOkm)
Miss Upton can vector my victor any time she wants - so thanks for the treat.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 04:50 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:50 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 03, 2014 04:50 PM (UVfht)
How many times do we need Captain Obvious in the media to tell us how Jeb! is going to roll the conservatives? The entire notion is contra-intellectual to politics.
Dumb people who already hold office occasionally try this (let's stomp a large part of the base). Boehner and McConnell come to mind, and it came close to being a punch in the balls for the latter in the last election. Ironically, he was saved because the kooky conservative want a Republican Senate. It's also the reason people still hate and distrust the former. If Boehner was running for office, it would have been a spectacle.
I don't like Jeb! because the policies he supports are foolish and demonstrably wrong. But I don't need some writer to tell me that in order to stir up some internecine warfare.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2014 04:50 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (gmeXX)
Or to protect themselves from those holding the monopoly on violence. That way lies totalitarianism.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (mx5oN)
The only picture you need to see of Jeb.
https://twitter.com/johncbussey/status/539566657841020929/photo/1
Valerie Jarrett, Rupert Murdoch, and Jeb Bush tonight at #WSJCEOCouncil
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (IXrOn)
My other great idea is a fence with holes that look like the illegals made them. The holes lead into camoflaged mazes where the illegals wander around until they end up back in Mexico.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (1Y+hH)
Right after all the local and state police forces are nationalized.
Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 04:50 PM (rwI+c)
I cannot believe that I laughed at that.
I hold you personally responsible for my moral degradation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (Zu3d9)
I have to read article. It was blurb on one iPad app.
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (sj3Ax)
Sure my back yard has a fence. Why do you ask?
Posted by: Luis Gutierrez at December 03, 2014 04:51 PM (wAQA5)
He doesn't get my vote. No more Bushes, no more Clintons. Ever.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 03, 2014 04:52 PM (39g3+)
That's well within range.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 03, 2014 04:52 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Michael Sam at December 03, 2014 04:52 PM (Y7ieA)
It's like saying I don't have the money to totally
fence my yard so I'll just fence 1/2 of it. Well great you fenced 1/2
your yard. It doesn't do shit for keeping your dog from figuring out how
to get out of the yard.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:38 PM (0LHZx)
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The
part that would not be 'fenced' is a hundred miles of mountainous
desert with virtually no water apart from the Rio Grande. No one lives
there for a reason. There aren't any towns much less roads. It's a
desolate place and if people (hikers/campers) don't know exactly where
they are they often die there.
It's actually better than a fence in deterring people from going there.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (BjOkm)
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And when I say 100 miles, I'm talking about from the actual border, inland.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 04:52 PM (dm7Ev)
No, we hadn't. Not when the children started coming at least. US border patrol rarely even sees the border. They're stationed 25 miles inland and just process the illegals already here. They did nothing to stop them. The state of Texas is the only ones doing anything to stop crossings into Texas, and it's working.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:52 PM (BPMYx)
-- Exception: self defense and defense of another.
-- Exception: God given right to self government which includes the right to use force to overthrow tyranny. (Careful here, just because you want to shoot heroin and the government says you can't, that doesn't make it a tyranny.)
-- Exception: sporting events like boxing etc.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (XUKZU)
See 142
Posted by: Bigby's Olive Fingers at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (XzRw1)
made them. The holes lead into camoflaged mazes where the illegals
wander around until they end up back in Mexico.
OR, you could have the mazes go to John McCain's swimming pool.
Posted by: pep at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (4nR9/)
About halfway through this post I starting thinking Jeb had made a movie.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Michael Sam at December 03, 2014 04:52 PM (Y7ieA)
You weren't any good playing with the right kind of balls.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (mx5oN)
That being said, I could possibly buy into the psychological argument offered by McAdams.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:45 PM (gmeXX)
_________________
I see your point, I just disagree with it. I think a fence that isn't the length of the area of land you're trying to keep people out of is useless. Border fence, backyard fence, whatever. People will find a way around the piece of fence you build and make their way to the open area.
Seriously, how many backyard fences have you ever seen where only 60% of the perimeter is fenced? Or how many military bases have you seen where the fencing is only 100 feet on either side of the main gate?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (0LHZx)
in Death Valley in summer....
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (LIoem)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (XzRw1)
Tranny Barbie is next.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:53 PM (mx5oN)
That's an idea or a maze like the one from The Shining & then it leads back to Mexico.
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (sj3Ax)
Yeah, I was a little quick on the draw with the maths there. But then, I was told there wouldn't be any on this board.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (J0IP0)
http://is.gd/guuHvm
Countdown until the MFM goers all berserk again.
Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 04:16 PM (u9gzs)
One doesn't need to worry about that. I had the radio on listening to Rush doing outside chores and then Savage came on.
The man is beserk. I can only surmise that he is hoping for a race war and now is actively ginning one up in order to sell more books (his latest being, drumrolll, The Coming Race War).
I'll bet in the hour and a half that his program was on( I left it on out of curiosity) he played the audio from the video that was shot of the cops taking this perpetrator down, with the guy yelling, "I can't breathe" at least ten times. Complete with an initial breaking news story with old school news button musid. Common sense could tell you that he could breathe somewhat or he wouldn't be able to speak. I haven't seen the video, don't know what the GJ evidence was, etc.
But Savage was hysterically screaming repeatedly that the cops murdered this man, took him down like he was an animal, they are jackals killing their prey, etc. It was beyond disturbing. Then he would throw in about Ferguson(although he agreed with that GJ) and kept groaning about how the country will start burning and how fearful he is for what is coming etc.
Who needs Al Sharpton when you have Savage all over the radio?
Posted by: Jen the original at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (oOlEN)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (g1DWB)
>>>
Murdoch is looking like the glowing yellow bad guy from Sin City.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (Mxs5H)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (mx5oN)
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It's that bigoted attitude that go me kicked out of the NFL. *Sob.
Posted by: Michael Sam at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (Y7ieA)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (2cS/G)
In other news, a gas station in OK was selling gas for $1.99/g earlier today.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
.............................
Nobody is madder than me, and I will not rest until the persons responsible are held accountable.
Posted by: Dr. Hussein at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Fritz at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (dVmLD)
-- Exception: self defense and defense of another.
-- Exception: God given right to self government which includes the right to use force to overthrow tyranny. (Careful here, just because you want to shoot heroin and the government says you can't, that doesn't make it a tyranny.)
-- Exception: sporting events like boxing etc.
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I'd rather go after the general rule rather than add exceptions.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (gmeXX)
There was a comment in Charles Bowden's book _Down By The River_ about just how pervasive the narcotraficantes are in Mexico.
Simple enough exercise. Look up the official GDP of Mexico. Then look up the estimated size of the drug smuggling trade via Mexico.
Basically, the Mexican economy *is* drugs. Oil and ag and tourism aren't even rounding errors compared to drugs.
If the border were genuinely closed and the flow of narcotics into the USA were diminished to a comparative trickle, one highly reliable second order effect would be that the Mexican economy and government would implode.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (noWW6)
It's actually better than a fence in deterring people from going there.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (BjOkm)
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Nobody lives there. But I will guarantee you there will be thousands of coyotes figuring out a way to move people through there.
But hey if that's the only part of the border that isn't fenced and the other 1100 miles is....close the fuck enough.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (0LHZx)
No, the point is valid. Hiring 50,000 extra agents would fix the problem.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (Zu3d9)
But isn't it ridiculous to have a "fence" of people tackling other people in order to keep them out?
We certainly don't guard prisons or military bases that way where we just have an army of people surrounding the facility and no physical barriers. We have a really tall fence along with manpower.
I honestly think the reason why the Left is against the fence is they know it works. Period. The money is spent is miniscule.
A 1,200 mile fence at $200,000 a mile comes out to $240 million. It's peanuts.
We wasted around $529 million on Solyndra.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (4xsOa)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 04:56 PM (Zaamt)
-- Exception: self defense and defense of another.
-- Exception: God given right to self government which includes the right to use force to overthrow tyranny. (Careful here, just because you want to shoot heroin and the government says you can't, that doesn't make it a tyranny.)
-- Exception: sporting events like boxing etc.
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I'd rather go after the general rule rather than add exceptions.
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In fact you could argue that the state only gets their power of violence through the consent of the govern. The state's power of violence is the exception.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:56 PM (gmeXX)
Have you ever seen the Texas border? We're not talking about miles of prairie here.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 04:56 PM (BPMYx)
And when dealing with that reality. Do we yield in that we now *need* authoritarian rule for our own good.% Or do we suffer through the consequence of our immoral and irresponsible behavior while maintaining our focus and structure on the ideal of rights and responsibilities such that we recover our moral compass through the trials of tribulation wrought by our own inequities?
%Knowing that the strategy of our opponents has been for over a century to devolve American society to achieve precisely that end. In effect handing the perfect and permanent victory to our adversaries. As once they are in charge man will never progress to being responsible and moral again.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 03, 2014 04:56 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Saracuda at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (rwI+c)
Someone set up us the bomb.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 04:56 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Saracuda at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (rwI+c)
Someone set up us the bomb.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 04:56 PM (FMbng)
What you say...?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (mx5oN)
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Well I once only fenced a certain portion of my backyard because I couldn't afford to do all of it.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (gmeXX)
We could put NYPD on the border and tell them the illegals are coming over to sell untaxed cigarettes.
Or their very generous pensions.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Hiring extra border guards is pointless if they're all just there acting as WalMart greeters to the illegals.
"Welcome to America and all her bounty, senor."
A wall doesn't need will.
Posted by: pep at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (4nR9/)
We wasted around $529 million on Solyndra.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (4xsOa)
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I've read more like $1M a mile, but eve so it's a rounding error compared to the money wasted on shit like Solyndra every year.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (0LHZx)
I understand that. Walls have been built in more inhospitable places. It could be done if the will was there.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 04:58 PM (Zaamt)
We have a really tall fence along with manpower
Along with guns and the legal recourse to use them.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 04:58 PM (qQcQl)
Expected and good.
The blowback will begin soon.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 04:58 PM (1Y+hH)
Math is so hard for one to grasp on the emotional level!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 03, 2014 04:58 PM (fL/7/)
AA Barbie. Comes with a pack of smokes and a 30 day chip.
Posted by: eleven at December 03, 2014 04:58 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (gmeXX)
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And aside from decoration, your fence accomplished nothing. Just like a partially built fence would operate. It would look like the president/governor is getting tough on illegals, while stopping zero illegals from entering the country.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:59 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: pep at December 03, 2014 04:57 PM (4nR9/)
I think we were presupposing that they would be...you know...policing the border.
And in retrospect, that does seem a bit silly.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 04:59 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at December 03, 2014 04:59 PM (evdj2)
Heh. A child of a marginally legal employee's of ours is at Chapel Hill's Burn center right now. 3rd degree burns on 40% of his torso. Already has had 2 skin grafts. Will be there 2 months. Dad won't be back to work for three weeks I am told.
While I hope the Lord will place his healing powers upon that poor child, I can't help but think of what the cost is to the hard working legal citizens of our state and the US and their children.
I am just so confused.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 05:00 PM (Snhp1)
Posted by: Null at December 03, 2014 05:00 PM (xjpRj)
Media Matters' Oliver Willis: Eric Garner Decision Means It's "Open Season" On Blacks...
Al Sharpton To Speak Alongside Garner Family Tonight...
Van Jones: "Police Lynched Eric Garner And Got Away With It"...
Sharpton Says He Already Spoke With Eric Holder About Garner Decision...
and so on, over at weaselzippers
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 05:00 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (sj3Ax)
If I become President, Carol will be my Maze-Czar.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 05:01 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 05:01 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: prescient11 at December 03, 2014 05:01 PM (W7w/T)
But hey if that's the only part of the border that isn't fenced and the other 1100 miles is....close the fuck enough.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 04:55 PM (0LHZx)
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I mean that the border may be 1200 miles long but for 100 or more miles inland from the border, there's nothing to sustain human life.
It's better than a fence because it is so desolate, remote, and dangerous to walk through.Scorching hot during the day and cold at night. No water. Mountains.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 05:01 PM (gYPAF)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 05:01 PM (rwI+c)
I've read more like $1M a mile, but eve so it's a rounding error compared to the money wasted on shit like Solyndra every year.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Even at that price, it's less than what we lost on GM's bailout or about what we spent in a single week in Iraq. $1.2 billion is a rounding error.
How about we just pick up our troops off of South Korea's DMZ and station them on our Southern Border?
Why does South Korea get the US military to guard their border but not ours?
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 05:03 PM (4xsOa)
Just the medicare and social security that the 5 million Obama EO illegals will receive will pay for a fence.
It costs $7K on average per student per year for public education. The 50K illegals that came over this summer will cost $35B **PER YEAR** just in education costs alone. That's before they get a dime of WIC, Food Stamps, EBT, Obamacare subsidies, etc.
But yeah, the fence is too darn expensive.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2014 05:03 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 05:03 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 05:03 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 04:54 PM (sj3Ax)
We've got enough Landscapers to plant the hedges.
I denounce myself.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (Snhp1)
Posted by: wth at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (wAQA5)
Maybe North Dakota would help out. Just let it be known that all entering illegally will be sent to live there, no problem.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (1Y+hH)
The state's power of authorized violence requires the consent of the governed in a free society, else the government use of violence is tyranny!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (fL/7/)
It's better than a fence because it is so desolate, remote, and dangerous to walk through.Scorching hot during the day and cold at night. No water. Mountains.
We have a shitload of leftover military equipment as we all know including thousand of MRAPs. These things were built to run in the barren wasteland of Afghanistan which is at least as harsh as anything Texas can toss out.
Stuff a thousand of them in the holes between the walls. We already paid for them.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (g1DWB)
You build the barrier - not just a fence - first. Then you add other controls like troops and drones.
And above all, you start enforcing the laws against illegal entry and employment.
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (dcY7v)
There is will to stop the illegal crossings, and our methods have been effective.
"Additionally, according to a survey submitted to 21 landowners representing more than 1.3 million acres in the RGV, the following was reported: 71 percent of landowners, whose property has been used by cartel operatives to smuggle drugs and people, reported significant decreases in smuggling activity during Operation Strong Safety; and 100 percent of landowners supported future similar operations.'
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 05:04 PM (BPMYx)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 05:05 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Carol at December 03, 2014 05:05 PM (sj3Ax)
But solving the problem isn't in the governments interest, so it won't happen.
Posted by: Border jockey at December 03, 2014 05:05 PM (mQtS7)
I agree about the fence: we should build it.
But your math stinks.
50,000 x 7,000 = 350,000,000
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 03, 2014 05:05 PM (Zu3d9)
At that rate, the Trillion $ stimulus would have built a million miles of fence
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 05:06 PM (Snhp1)
It sure would explain why their loyalties clearly lie with dusky foreigners speaking a romance language rather than their fellow Americans, now wouldn't it?
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 03, 2014 05:06 PM (eDZbN)
FORMER RNC CHAIRMAN ON #ERICGARNER: CLEARY BLACK LIVES DON'T MATTER
Former RNC Chairman Michael Steele was on MSNBC today to discuss the non-indictment in the Eric Garner case and was asked if this case was different from Ferguson. Steele responded that it was like Ferguson in that it was part of the same narrative, arguing that if you put the cases together and it's true that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, then it's clear that black lives aren't worth a ham sandwich.
therightscoop
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 05:07 PM (IXrOn)
Here in Commiefornia, it's about twelve grand per pupil per year for K-12 education.
But "the schools are starved for funding". Snort.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 05:07 PM (noWW6)
Aren't they all going to be here eventually?
We can move down there when that happens. I hear they have nice beaches.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 03, 2014 05:07 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Lauren
How do you explain the 50,000 "children" that showed up on our doorstep overnight?
The border is simply not secured.
If we had the will, we could shut down illegal immigration overnight.
Build a border fence and go after businesses that hire illegals. Use the IRS to enforce some sort of E-Verify system on all employers. No government benefits for illegals.
It would solve 95% of the problem instantly.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 05:08 PM (4xsOa)
It is if it's wasted money. And it would be. Even Israel is subject to tunnels, as we recently learned. Texas would be no different. And, given our politicians, I can almost guarantee that if a fence is built they'll slap themselves on teh back and say "welp, that's done. We solved the problem!"
And the illegals will continue to stream in.
Perry is actually trying to solve the problem, and for that he gets labeled a soft on immigration RINO. Yeah, ok. Whatever.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 05:08 PM (BPMYx)
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I was just listing some facts about the "Texas DREAM Act" and some related aspects of TX law to provide some context.
There have been many misrepresentations of it in the conservative sphere including here. Mostly the claim that it did not provide for state aid to illegals. It in fact did do so.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 05:09 PM (z27Ny)
He WAS right about that.
If you have a disagreement with the police perhaps you can wait to talk it over with a judge.
Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2014 05:09 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: bour3 at December 03, 2014 05:10 PM (5x3+2)
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Literally.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 05:10 PM (z27Ny)
The traditional Latin American social model is a vast semiliterate prole/peasant class, lorded over by a small, politically connected, and very wealthy elite.
The Bushes know and like that model quite well.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 05:10 PM (noWW6)
The border is simply not secured."
Because they came before Perry took additional steps to secure the border, and since those steps were taken, they've mostly stopped coming. Apprehensions are down 75% and that's not because we're not looking for them. Just the opposite.
Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 05:10 PM (BPMYx)
We're shortening this phrase too much.
Monopoly Lawful use of offensive violence = govt. vs. thugs
Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2014 05:11 PM (DL2i+)
No confusion here. Treat the kid, have child welfare declare the parents unfit and send 'em home. If the Mexicans have an issue, then by all means, once treatment is complete send him to join them. No point separating families--just sign this agreement forswearing all claim to US citizenship, in exchange for the gracious extension of medical charity to the child.
No confusion at all. Mind you I'm not known as the nicest person in the world on some points, but I use the name of a fictitious genocidal android as my nic, so that shouldn't come as a shock.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2014 05:12 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 05:03 PM (rwI+c)
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You going to be running for office?
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 05:14 PM (z27Ny)
Apprehensions are down largely because illegal immigration is seasonal. There's no work for them. The hiring cycle is over until the Spring.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 05:14 PM (nDeB2)
Israel is subject to tunnels, as we recently learned. Texas would be no
different. And, given our politicians, I can almost guarantee that if a
fence is built they'll slap themselves on teh back and say "welp,
that's done. We solved the problem!"
And the illegals will continue to stream in.
Perry is actually trying to solve the problem, and for that he gets labeled a soft on immigration RINO. Yeah, ok. Whatever.
Posted by: Lauren
Do you know how much harder it is to tunnel under a border versus just walking across it?
I don't think anyone is saying "there will never be another illegal immigrant in America if we build a border fence!"
But the idea that because a fence can be overcome with an insane amount of effort, we shouldn't do it, is ludicrous.
My problem is, when people make an argument against a border fence, it's sort of a litmus test that they have a soft spot for open border type policies. When a border state Republican Governor loudly proclaims he's against a border fence, I'm going to run in the other direction.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 05:15 PM (4xsOa)
Funny thing, the progtards seem to be fond of that too! Mind you the prole/peasants often have Potempkin degrees, but the general rule holds.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2014 05:15 PM (DT3rQ)
Because once you block off the areas they currently use, they will go to those other areas they don't currently use. Think water.
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 05:16 PM (dcY7v)
Posted by: Lauren
Do you know how much harder it is to tunnel under a border versus just walking across it?
Precisely. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding in this case is a 99% drop in terrorism.
Posted by: David Carradine at December 03, 2014 05:17 PM (4nR9/)
"...then it's clear that black lives aren't worth a ham sandwich."
.............................
Wait a minute. I'm sure that many black wives make a great ham sandwich.
Posted by: guy who doesn't really pay attention at December 03, 2014 05:18 PM (wAQA5)
to secure the border, and since those steps were taken, they've mostly
stopped coming. Apprehensions are down 75% and that's not because we're
not looking for them. Just the opposite.
Posted by: Lauren
Additional steps? But I thought we didn't need a border fence? That's what Perry told us in 2012.
Face it, relying on manpower alone is just not consistent. As soon as the public stops paying attention, the enforcement becomes lax again.
Perry will have to answer for this in 2016 just like he did in 2012 if he's delusional enough to run.
Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2014 05:18 PM (4xsOa)
"Messaging" is a necessary evil that I can tolerate so long as I trust the people deploying those tactics. I no longer believe that Boehner et al are using smart messaging to pursue my aims. I think they're deploying those tactics against me to achieve their own contradictory goals (politics as usual).
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blane at December 03, 2014 05:19 PM (QKIQb)
Well put. And we can call ourselves compassionate. That's dead on.
The poor child will probably consume more health care $$$ than the parents will ever contribute.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at December 03, 2014 05:21 PM (Snhp1)
You need to go onto google maps and type in Davis Mountains and Big Bend. I doubt that area will become a hot spot to cross the border.
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 05:21 PM (6QN3y)
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2014 04:49 PM (gmeXX)
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Maybe the phrase "monopoly of violence" needs to be expanded. I want the police to have a monopoly of violence over lawbreakers (those people who want to hurt me and the ones I love, or steal from me and the ones I love).
Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 05:21 PM (IXPIt)
We are being deliberately thwarted by a minority (the political class and their big donors).
Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2014 05:22 PM (DL2i+)
That seems to be the 'rats favored social model as well - California, anyone?
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 03, 2014 05:25 PM (eDZbN)
Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2014 05:25 PM (DL2i+)
Same disparity when it comes to education costs.
Upthread, I quoted $12K/yr for every student enrolled in K-12 in the People's Soviet Socialist Republic of Commiefornia.
Imagine a pair of illegal alien parents, semiliterate or illiterate, working low-skilled low-wage jobs, with four kids (not at all unusual) in the CA public schools.
Anyone here figure that the two parents between them are paying anything close to fifty grand a year in taxes to the CA public fisc? Because that's what their four kids cost the public fisc. For schooling alone.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 05:26 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 05:26 PM (noWW6)
That's what the middle class is for, silly. Get them to pay for everything.
Posted by: Barak O'Preezy at December 03, 2014 05:30 PM (IXPIt)
http://tinyurl.com/odut9m7
Posted by: CozMark at December 03, 2014 05:40 PM (gYPAF)
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at December 03, 2014 05:41 PM (ir3Yt)
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at December 03, 2014 05:41 PM (ir3Yt)
I prefer they be sent to a place with a more hospitable climate, like Mexico.
Posted by: despair at December 03, 2014 06:09 PM (dcY7v)
Further, Jebbie's brother WON twice without fighting the base. I think Jebbie is cray-cray. Anyone who can SMILE while sitting next to Valerie Jarrett must be whacky.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 03, 2014 06:15 PM (nvq3r)
Oh, who am I kidding. I'm gonna write-in Jeff Sessions anyway.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 03, 2014 07:00 PM (lG2E3)
Posted by: Sphynx at December 03, 2014 07:01 PM (OZmbA)
Because what America needs right now is another entitled Tory legacy drone who also happens to be a wholly owned subsidiary of the House of Saud.
Posted by: A pot of message at December 03, 2014 07:58 PM (Ft3+l)
Because of open primaries, Republicans WON'T be picking their candidate.
Instead, we're going to get what we got in 08 and 12 (and 14 in Mississippi), only more explicitly: Democrats will cross over to pick the RINO they feel they can either beat or live with. Jeb is signalling he's that guy.
Posted by: SDN at December 03, 2014 08:14 PM (Ao5fh)
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at December 03, 2014 08:29 PM (2/oBD)
Not a problem. If the Republicans don't mind losing, then they can get behind him. Matter of fact, whoever wants to back the guy should do it now. Never hurts to know early in the game who the subversives are.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 03, 2014 08:35 PM (9srI4)
Couldn't be simpler.
Posted by: K. Rove, certified mastermind at December 03, 2014 08:41 PM (1mtKP)
Goodbye all political dynasties, you're unAmerican. Go f yourselves pow right in the f hole.
Posted by: bour3 at December 03, 2014 09:44 PM (5x3+2)
The "base" are the people who voted for Cochran and McConnell and won. That extreme faction that calls itself the "base" and threatened to withhold their vote lost. They are not the "base".
Posted by: crosspatch at December 04, 2014 10:48 PM (ZbLJZ)
Posted by: jaibones at December 04, 2014 11:21 PM (rzRqr)
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