Study: The Three Most Liberal Occupations are Academia, Entertainment Media, and the <i>News Media</i>

Study: The Three Most Liberal Occupations are Academia, Entertainment Media, and the News Media

Crowdpac analyzed all political donations made by people in various professions since 1980, and what do you think they discovered?

On that point, BenK and RDBrewer have both linked this fantastic piece by Mollie Hemingway -- Dear Media, This Elizabeth Lauten Nonsense Is Why Everybody Hates You.

It's not just the Washington Post. The Lauten story has been all over other print and broadcast media.
So we know that the national media is deeply concerned about stray insults directed toward the Obama family from Congressional staffers. Is raping people worse than that? Or not? I'm confused. Because a few years ago Congressional staffer Donny Ray Williams, Jr., was indicted for a series of alleged sexual assaults and it got only one "local crime" story in the Washington Post. Yesterday he pled guilty and that also generated one story in the Washington Post. If there's network coverage of this congressional staffer raping people, I'm not seeing it. Did I mention he was a staff director for Democrats on a Senate panel?
Or what about child rape? We're still opposed to that, right? I only ask because Terry Bean, a major campaign donor to President Obama -- and a co-founder of the Human Rights Campaign -- was just charged with sexual assault of a minor. And the Washington Post hasn't covered it, according to a search of their archives. I mean, there are pictures of him on Air Force One and he was at the White House seven times including for a state dinner. He’s a member of the DNC. I know, I know, he's certainly not as important as Lauten, but maybe a single story would be in order? Maybe that Terrence McCoy [who was assigned to review Lauten's college papers for possible transgressions] reporter could dig around and see if Bean wrote anything interesting in high school or something?

Posted by: Ace at 01:50 PM

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1 Shocker

Posted by: brak at December 03, 2014 01:09 PM (Tj+s6)

2 Hooray for enstompening!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 01:09 PM (JtwS4)

3 Of course.

This is another media riot like the one that afflicted Sarah Palin in 2008.

And there's really no other expression for it, it's a media riot.

Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 01:10 PM (o+SC1)

4

Journalism school is probably an off the charts subset of academia.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:10 PM (IXrOn)

5 "Because they wanted to discourage someone from publishing a different story.

Just a tip. Just what I hear."

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You mean, just THE tip.

Posted by: Terry Bean at December 03, 2014 01:10 PM (uqV2n)

6 Interesting that those on the left are further to the extreme than those on the right. Not really a surprise, but you know, we're the extremists.

Posted by: brak at December 03, 2014 01:11 PM (Tj+s6)

7

Very sad chart, really.

The productive people, those that build the country are all on the right.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:11 PM (IXrOn)

8 And that's a sock you wanna take off immediately!

Posted by: Oschisms at December 03, 2014 01:11 PM (uqV2n)

9 No surprise to anyone who has read Marx or Solzhenitsyn.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 03, 2014 01:11 PM (08Znv)

10

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the white House

Posted by: John McCain at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (LoIJo)

11 Stomp!

Posted by: The Brothers Johnson at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (Ks4nX)

12 @2 - "Never let oneself be numbered among the willowed morons. Or something like that." - Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord, variously Bishop of Autun, Prince de Benevent, and all-around interesting character.

Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (o+SC1)

13

Mollie's a star.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (IXrOn)

14 CNN - "Is Charles Barkley wrong about Ferguson?"

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (AC0lD)

15
Notice how there is a skew to the left, overall. This is because conservatives are more tolerant than liberals, and won't attempt to enforce conformity among their peers as much as liberals.

Posted by: dan-O at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (D0bIN)

16 Yeah. Big surprise.

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (xWW96)

17 10 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the white House
Posted by: John McCain at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (LoIJo)

He ain't fetching Slick Willie's coffee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:13 PM (CMkNk)

18 Just a tip. Just what I hear.

That's the word on the interwebs.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 03, 2014 01:13 PM (rwI+c)

19 Conservatives? I think I've heard of them.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at December 03, 2014 01:13 PM (8ZskC)

20 I'm actually surprised at the Tech industry... being that Liberal...

I knew the big whigs were (yes, spelling on purpose)... but I didn't think the rank and file were that Liberal...

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea... at December 03, 2014 01:13 PM (f0pWu)

21 Because they wanted to discourage someone from publishing a different story.

Which one?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (IXrOn)

22 14 CNN - "Is Charles Barkley wrong about Ferguson?"

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:12 PM (AC0lD)

Just when they (rightly) destroyed Cosby, they desperately need to stomp Sir Charles.

He ain't going down without a fight. Good. And I wish more black conservatives, if there are any in sports or entertainment, would come out with the same message.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (CMkNk)

23 Agriculture. Building and Construction. Fields that produce something = conservative.

Entertainment. Academics. Media. Field that play make believe = liberal.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (jPT60)

24 So does this mean we can't publish that teen age big butt picture all the Blacks are tweeting each other?

Why should Drudge get all the hits off that ass?

Posted by: MSM Reporter at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (0FSuD)

25
Actually, I would like to see Barkley punch Spike Lee in the face.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:15 PM (CMkNk)

26 23 Entertainment. Academics. Media. Field that play make believe = liberal.
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (jPT60)

I'm in show biz. Deep cover agent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:15 PM (CMkNk)

27

The Online Computer Services confused me, being so far left.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

28 Historically, has a disaffected populace ever also targeted their media after ousting their rulers?

I'm just curious.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (AC0lD)

29 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (M1uf/)

30 On that point, BenK and RDBrewer have both linked this fantastic piece by Mollie Hemingway -- Dear Media, This Elizabeth Lauten Nonsense Is Why Everybody Hates You.

Except. . .the people who need to read that, won't.

And the people who do are either on our side or convinced it doesn't apply to them.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (zF6Iw)

31 They didn't bother 'mobilizing the troops' when the embassy was under attack

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (LoIJo)

32 I'm actually surprised that agriculture is a far to the right as it is.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

33 So why do Conservatives continue to send their kids to liberal schools, consume liberal media and entertainment?

Posted by: Common Sense at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (84b7V)

34

Someone should overlay that graph with the amount of subsidies each industry gets. I wonder which way the scale would tip?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (IXrOn)

35 From the link, the lawyers are much more balanced than I would have thought. I thought I was a lonely voice crying in the wilderness.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (XUKZU)

36
"oil, gas, and coal is largely conservative..."

"Who run Bartertown?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (kdS6q)

37 Problem:

A donation to the GOP does not signal a desire by any given industry for conservative policies.

That the chart shows Lobbyists as slightly conservative should be a red flag.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (s9AKD)

38 Did you shoot the reporters, Daddy?

Posted by: Malia at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (Ua6T/)

39 "The media didn't just decide of its own accord to make fools of themselves. The White House asked them to, and encouraged them to nuke Elizabeth Lauten."

I'm a touch confused here. Is/was there anyone who did NOT think this hit piece came from the upper echelons of the Chicago Way/WH?

It's just attempt #3,184 to deflect attention (read: criticism) away from TehWon as the current cluster farks (Ferg, UVA) fade from the news cycle.

There will be more.

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (/jpU8)

40
Just when they (rightly) destroyed Cosby, they desperately need to stomp Sir Charles.

He ain't going down without a fight. Good. And I wish more black conservatives, if there are any in sports or entertainment, would come out with the same message.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (CMkNk) Don't know if Sir Charles is "conservative" or not. From what I've heard of him, I wouldn't think so. But I do give him much credit for having some common sense and some dignity.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (gvqyH)

41 222 - You don't have to be CONSERVATIVE to reject the current media behavior. You just have to be HONEST.

Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (o+SC1)

42 That infographic is wrong.

The three most left-wing professions are:

- "community organizer"
- sitting on the stoop drinking malt liquor
- White House advisor

Posted by: zombie at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (K4YiS)

43 Because Obama directed them . . .

it's not 'ask' when it's the President of the United States.

So we now have a President who can direct the news media to publicly destroy a person the President feels is a personal enemy.

Apparently Sarah Palin was the test case.
Joe McCarthy if you are old enough.

Phil Collins : Don't care any more, what you say.

Posted by: Entfremdung Politik at December 03, 2014 01:18 PM (RALhu)

44 But AGW is real because it has been peer reviewed.

By peers. In academia. And the entertainment industry. And the msm.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 01:18 PM (g1DWB)

45
If you look at two of the occupations, academia and "news" media, what do they have in common?

Both occupations can have influence over people and can shape opinions. In other words, both occupations are fertile ground for proselytizing.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 01:18 PM (rTCJ6)

46
Entertainment. Academics. Media. Field that play make believe = liberal.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (jPT60)

You misspelled "bullshit artist".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 03, 2014 01:19 PM (TIIx5)

47 I'm in show biz. Deep cover agent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:15 PM (CMkNk)

JJ, you have to be in deep cover because the intolerant mob that makes up the left would do everything in its power to purge you out of its pristine ranks. How you can deal with such insufferably stupid people day in and day out is beyond me. I give you props for your amazing self-control.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:19 PM (jPT60)

48

Miss me yet???

Posted by: King George III at December 03, 2014 01:19 PM (LoIJo)

49 "Historically, has a disaffected populace ever also targeted their media after ousting their rulers?"

Let's ask Dr. Guillotine.

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 03, 2014 01:19 PM (/jpU8)

50 CNN - "Is Charles Barkley wrong about Ferguson or are we just a bunch of presstitutes?"

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 01:20 PM (XUKZU)

51 It's the subsidies, AtC.

Posted by: Bayou City at December 03, 2014 01:20 PM (8yWf/)

52 Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (gvqyH)

Charles has come out saying the Brown verdict was correct and also condemned the rioters.

He's also compared black culture to a barrel of crabs which try to reach up and drag down any one member that actually seeks to improve themselves and their situation.

He seems pretty conservative to me....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:20 PM (AC0lD)

53 Looks like there is another reason that the left hates the mining and oil industries aside from their alleged concern for the environment.

Posted by: Iasonas at December 03, 2014 01:20 PM (D+yP5)

54 The styrofoam columns are beginning to crumble ... finally.

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2014 01:20 PM (JBggj)

55 47 Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:19 PM (jPT60)

I work on my own, remotely, trying to hawk film scripts. I don't work day to day in an office.

Then again, my wife is a big-time libbo college professor, so there's my comeuppance.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:21 PM (CMkNk)

56
I don't wanna say a lot of teachers go into teaching poison the brains of young people with their leftism, but, yeah, that's what I'm implying.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 01:21 PM (rTCJ6)

57
Reading the Mollie Hemingway piece was as good as sex but with none of the shame.

*smokes cigarette*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 03, 2014 01:21 PM (JtwS4)

58 Coal and Oil are organic.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (ZeBBB)

59
Fact: The most common response when journalism students are asked why they want to be a journalism is that they want to shape public opinion.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (rTCJ6)

60 Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys Girls at December 03, 2014 01:21 PM (rTCJ6)

The kids in South Korea always called me 'Teacher' naturally and I always felt dirty.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (AC0lD)

61 And I wish more black conservatives, if there are any in sports or entertainment, would come out with the same message.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:14 PM (CMkNk)
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There must be one or two more in there! But will they come out? There will be more to come out as gay than 'conservative'.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (z27Ny)

62 Then again, my wife is a big-time libbo college professor, so there's my comeuppance.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:21 PM (CMkNk)

Try not to smother her in her sleep.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (jPT60)

63 Apparently Sarah Palin was the test case.

Joe McCarthy if you are old enough.

========

The case isn't closed on Palin.

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (JBggj)

64 /facepalm

Posted by: tfox72 at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (DVC2D)

65 they (rightly) destroyed Cosby

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As of now, I am still giving Cosby the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (XUKZU)

66 Nice. My own comment section.

Where I'm right all the time!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (AC0lD)

67

Exhibit A of the blurred lines between Entertainment Media and News Media:

'Daily Show' on Ferguson: Whites Bringing Up Black-on-Black Crime Should 'Go 'F**k Themselves'

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (IXrOn)

68 I'm a Republican, but I have to admit this study makes a lot of sense. Academia, entertainment and news media is where the most intelligent, creative people are found.

Of course, there are conservatives who are highly intelligent (Olympia Snowe comes to mind) but unfortunately the extremists have ruined our image.

So it's not surprising that those occupations tend to exclude conservatives.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (Ks4nX)

69 I don't know about ace's (now disappeared) point about the WH wanting to distract or discourage from some other story, but I've been pointing out all along that the MFM is burying the lede on this one.

Lauten did *not* insult the girls. She pointed some snark in their general direction, but that was as a vehicle to insult TFG and the First Sasquatch.

Go re-read her comment. She "excuses" the girls' lack of class because of who their parents are- a direct, if subtle, shot at the Preezy.

But the MFM can't cover it that way. If they do, people (who yet haven't) might recognize the SCOAMT's lack of class, shift, and feck.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (kff5f)

70
The Online Computer Services confused me, being so far left.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

Not so much. I'm thinking it's more the content side of the coin rather than infrastructure that's lefty.

In other words, the bullshit side.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 03, 2014 01:23 PM (TIIx5)

71 "I'm actually surprised at the Tech industry... being that Liberal..."

Here's a great big hint:

The oligarchs of Silicon Valley really really really really dislike paying taxes. Democrats have thus set up a cozy protection racket with the likes of the Google and Facebook executives. Obama has raised it to a fine art.

-- Barack Obama goes out and gives loud populist speeches to welfare moochers and union goons, talking about how it's imperative to jack up taxes on the hated one-percenters

-- Obama then comes to the Valley and dines lavishly with the C-level execs of the big tech companies, who *ARE* a significant chunk of the one percent

-- These execs and their firms alike routinely engage in very complicated and dubiously ethical tax avoidance schemes, such as Google's "Double Irish" backflip of revenues

-- The oligarchs pull out their checkbooks after dinner and write big fat checks to Obama For America

-- Obama winks broadly, and gets on Air Force One to go back to D.C., and not a single word is thereafter forthcoming about closing the money-laundering tax loopholes upon which the technology barons rely

Chicago, meet Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley, meet Chicago. I'm sure you two will get on famously and have quite a lot to talk about.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 01:24 PM (noWW6)

72 Really

Posted by: Shallow boy at December 03, 2014 01:24 PM (H6fvX)

73 Have yet to meet a farmer that isn't pro-government ... when it comes to supporting farming.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 01:24 PM (Oz2Jh)

74 I've been saying for some time that Palin was the test case. It proved a lot. For one, it proved if the media creates enough of a toxic bandwagon, many of the right will jump right on for fear of Alinski ridicule.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 01:25 PM (gvqyH)

75 It's like you wingnuts believe the press are communist stooges

Posted by: Walter Duranty at December 03, 2014 01:25 PM (LoIJo)

76 And here I am, back in academia.

In my first department there were about 40 of us. I was one of two to the right of center. I generally didn't bring up politics but had a lot of fights picked with me, by colleagues for whom I might as well have been W's personal representative.

The other right-winger? Tenured, famous, untouchable. He'd left the Soviet Union around 1982. I once watched him take on and destroy his table-mates on the subject of socialized medicine. It was truly glorious.

Posted by: JPS at December 03, 2014 01:26 PM (WW75j)

77 So why do Conservatives continue to send their kids to liberal schools, consume liberal media and entertainment?

Posted by: Common Sense at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (84b7V)

I'll answer for myself: Math. I don't make enough money to be the sole breadwinner, meaning my wife must also work. That means home-schooling is out, and (again, because 'math') so is private school.

As to the media/entertainment, I cut off cable, but continue to pay for the internet and streaming live sports. I will not allow politics to affect the aspects of my life that I love. In this case, it's college football. I don't CARE that ESPN leans left, and those who argue that I'm somehow betraying the cause are righteously outraged... and blazingly ignorant.

So you refuse to watch tv or go to the movies. Excellent. Strike a blow for conservatives. Who made your car, built your house, provides your electricity, shipped the lumber in your building, poured the concrete, paid the laborers, et al.

If you attempt to live your life in such a way that none of your money goes to any liberal organizations/personnel, you'll be sitting in a forest. Alone.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at December 03, 2014 01:26 PM (fwARV)

78 Just a tip? Or just the tip?

Posted by: MacGruber at December 03, 2014 01:27 PM (kQBSd)

79 Seriously, though, Ace, you may want to mention this significant fact in an update or new post:

In almost every aspect of human behavior and natural existence, the chart documenting the extent of variation is what statisticians call "a bell curve," which means the most people/things/behaviors fall in the middle of the spectrum, and the more extreme/outlying you are, the fewer examples there are out on the edges.

And all of sociology and anthropology and social sciences to this ay assumes that everything falls on a "bell curve."

This ought to apply to political beliefs as well: most people ought to be some variant of "centrist," with a few far-lefties and and few far-righties at the fringes.

HOWEVER, these charts demonstrate the opposite: most of them have a INVERSE bell curve: in other words, NO ONE is in the middle. (Well, not "no one," but a statistically shocking small percentage.)

In almost every chart, there are "up bumps" at the edges, and a DIP in the middle -- where everyone ought to be.

Even the charts that are crazily lopsided show this effect: The "news media" chart for example shows about 92% of them are far far far left-wing, about 7% are somewhat conservative, and basically NONE are "centrist."

Same is true for every other chart.

So the proves, conclusively, that American politics has been irrevocably and utterly polarized: two extremes facing off across a vast gulf.

Posted by: zombie at December 03, 2014 01:29 PM (K4YiS)

80 Molly's piece is excellent!

Posted by: flounder at December 03, 2014 01:38 PM (sDapq)

81 Whiplash!

Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2014 01:44 PM (Ua6T/)

82 Not at all a fucking surprise that the Donor Class is Center-Left to Communist-Left. After all, why would you be in government if what you want is less of it?

Also, if you were wondering why ~~the GOP~~ El PRL has gone 3/4ths Progtard (and is approaching 100% Progtard), see the chart.

Posted by: steveegg at December 03, 2014 01:45 PM (cL79m)

83 Back to the FUTURE!

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 03, 2014 01:46 PM (/jpU8)

84 Ace - I see you are quoted at The Morning Jolt this a.m.

Nice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 03, 2014 01:47 PM (l1zOH)

85 Molly's piece is excellent!
Posted by: flounder at December 03, 2014 01:38 PM (sDapq)
************

MOLLY'S PIECE.... IS EXCELLENT?

Posted by: AL SHARPTON? at December 03, 2014 01:47 PM (32Ze2)

86 But have you seen dat ass???

Posted by: Darnell Dockett at December 03, 2014 01:47 PM (Ktnum)

87 I am sick of the fawning comments that the elder Obama girl is attractive. She got the worst physical traits of each parent. Yes, let's all pretend she is a stunning beauty, and the emperor's new clothes are fantastic!

Posted by: wooga at December 03, 2014 01:47 PM (LvEg1)

88

If I find out who gave the Code Red, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at December 03, 2014 01:48 PM (LoIJo)

89 Mollie knocks it out of the park.

Posted by: fb at December 03, 2014 01:48 PM (JVEmw)

90 To continue this interrupted discussion, which had been ongoing on the previous thread, here is my counter-rebuttal to a comment there questioning my comment #79 above:

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Curves best describe information that is not binary.

A yes/no question has a right answer and a wrong answer. The responses shouldn't fit a bell curve.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

True, but political beliefs are NOT simply a "yes/no question" nor are they binary. The chart documents the extremism level of where the donations from journalists (for example) are going: to groups that are far-left, medium-left, somewhat left, middle, somewhat right, medium right, far right -- and all gradations in between. So in theory, under normal social sciences theory, the distribution curve ought to be at least somewhat bell-shaped, even if slid way over to the left. The respondants are not answering a single yes/no question.

Posted by: zombie at December 03, 2014 01:48 PM (K4YiS)

91 If I find out who gave the Code Red, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at December 03, 2014 01:48 PM (LoIJo)

Quick! Cover me up!

Posted by: The Spite House Mirror at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (cL79m)

92 And they are more left-wing than any profession is right-wing.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (ZPrif)

93 the children cannot help who their parents are.

Posted by: willow at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (nqBYe)

94 the children cannot help who their parents are.

Posted by: willow at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (nqBYe)

95
Thread Wack-a-Mole.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (kdS6q)

96 62 Try not to smother her in her sleep.
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 03, 2014 01:22 PM (jPT60)

I smother her with kindness and my large kosher salami, but mostly my large kosher salami.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (CMkNk)

97 Another chart without animation. At the very least there should be blinking dots and music.

Posted by: Entfremdung Politik at December 03, 2014 01:49 PM (RALhu)

98 "Exhibit A of the blurred lines"

Unrated version?

Posted by: anon a mouse at December 03, 2014 01:50 PM (/jpU8)

99
Here's a great big hint:

You forgot the round of golf and the hour and a half of Reggie Love ball washing which follows.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2014 01:50 PM (BG9kh)

100 Any good lefty will tell you of course academis is left-leaning, it's because they're educated, and left is correct and right is dumb.

It's all so easy.

Posted by: brak at December 03, 2014 01:50 PM (Tj+s6)

101 I am sick of the fawning comments that the elder Obama girl is attractive. She got the worst physical traits of each parent.

I'm glad I'm not the only one tired of that.

She got hit with the ugly stick. Seriously, not attractive.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 03, 2014 01:50 PM (M1uf/)

102 You know that there's no way he fathered the first children...

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at December 03, 2014 01:51 PM (LoIJo)

103 I am sick of the fawning comments that the elder Obama girl is attractive. She got the worst physical traits of each parent. Yes, let's all pretend she is a stunning beauty, and the emperor's new clothes are fantastic!

I'd hit it.

Posted by: Zombie Jefferson at December 03, 2014 01:51 PM (BG9kh)

104 Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 6m
A Man After Our Own Heart: Medal of Honor Recipient Trolls the Islamic State http://goo.gl/rVwpDZ

"I can't travel over there anymore now that I'm out of the Marine Corps, so having them come to me would help out a lot," Meyer told Scout about the current IS threat.

--
heh
Dakota Meyer @Dakota_Meyer
Wonder if any ISIS members want to drop by and join my book club @ScoutMedia
http://tinyurl.com/on2a2sd

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 01:51 PM (ZPrif)

105 And you'll notice with the exception of Mining none of the Conservative charts come close to matching the disparities of the most-Liberal/Leftist charts.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2014 01:51 PM (T4t+V)

106 101 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) one-and-a-half-armed typist at December 03, 2014 01:50 PM (M1uf/)

Spawn of the Salt Creature.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 01:51 PM (CMkNk)

107 ...and that tour of the Playboy mansion is worth it.

It's like an easter egg hunt.

Posted by: Entfremdung Politik at December 03, 2014 01:51 PM (RALhu)

108 That GOP staffer was spontaneously gunned down by a mexican cartel

Posted by: Agent Terry at December 03, 2014 01:52 PM (LoIJo)

109 All the reason why news media, media, and academic orgs need to be explicitly conservative -- otherwise they become leftist over time.

The vaunted "right-wing" Chicago School of Economics is basically run by socialists now. They made sure there would be no more Milton Friedmans.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 01:52 PM (ZPrif)

110
But it's not hate-hate...

...it's burn in hell while being drawn and quartered hate.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 03, 2014 01:52 PM (/dvmK)

111 Basically the media is more Democrat then the population of San Francisco.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 01:53 PM (RJMhd)

112 That's one way to clear me out of the news cycle.

Posted by: Chuck 'The Scapegoat' Hagel at December 03, 2014 01:53 PM (LoIJo)

113 That GOP staffer was spontaneously gunned down by a mexican cartel
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Stay out of Marcy Park!!!!

Posted by: Vince Foster at December 03, 2014 01:53 PM (Ktnum)

114 Mining doesn't even come close, it got a 4.1C out of 10.
News Media got a 5.9L out of 10.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

115 As for the bell curves, there is a rather important chart missing - how many politicians are on each level of liberalism.

Posted by: steveegg at December 03, 2014 01:54 PM (cL79m)

116 Not surprisingly, an analysis of child molesters and rapists also put them down at the "blue" end of the spectrograph.

Posted by: Fritz at December 03, 2014 01:54 PM (dVmLD)

117 I can't help but notice that conservatives do all the jobs that actually keep society functioning. Perhaps we should strike.

Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 01:54 PM (BPMYx)

118 The #s in the circle are how left or right wing the profession is out of 10L or 10C maximum. L for liberal, C for conservative.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

119 And coincidentally all three are also the biggest liars in America, if you don't include Obama and his staff. .

Posted by: Vic at December 03, 2014 01:55 PM (u9gzs)

120 What would it take for me to trust Western news media outlets again?

Public apologies. Tons of corrections on everything from global warming to war coverage.

Mass suicides as atonement for past sins. The destruction of every piece of equipment, building or person ever associated with them.

And then we could talk....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 01:55 PM (AC0lD)

121 PB - a commenter at althouse - said this:

"According to the Kubler-Ross model (Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance), Obama is stuck at the first stage, many are proceeding to the second stage, but it is interesting that a career politician like Chuck Schumer has rapidly proceeded to stage 5."

That says what I have been trying to get my mind around, why focus on this nobody staffer? The reason is frustration and she was available to take that frustration/anger out on. The media are in stage two. The November elections hurt the Democrats, hurt the media (BIRM) and they lashed out at the first convenient target like any abusive bully does. Kick the dog, slap the child, attack a lowly nobody - the anger and frustration had to be vented.

Expect much, much more of the same to come before they hit stages three and four.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 01:55 PM (hLRSq)

122
"You know that there's no way he fathered the first children.."

Giggity giggity.

Posted by: The Green Goblin in the First Spider-Man Movie

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 03, 2014 01:56 PM (kdS6q)

123 I am pretty sure the media thrives on hate. Why else would they behave this way?

They are perhaps the most diabolical threat to our republic. People who purvey lies, half-truths and tripe are the worst sort. They care for nothing but their own petty utopian ideals and would sell the rest of us out in a second to try and achieve those ends.

Oh yeah, and the obligatory- fuck them. Nobody is leaving without a fight you weak, useless Democrat Eunuchs.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2014 01:56 PM (GGCsk)

124 "If you attempt to live your life in such a way that none of your money
goes to any liberal organizations/personnel, you'll be sitting in a
forest. Alone."

::: inhales deeply :::

I do love the smell of burning strawman in the morning.

I'd really be intrigued to have an example presented of anyone here who has claimed that it's possible to arrange their affairs such that none of their money will flow to liberalism.

What is eminently possible, and unarguably necessary, is to *reduce* the amount of our money thus flowing to liberal outfits.

I'm not focused on turning the dial all the way to zero. Just on steadily ratcheting it down a notch at a time from where it is now. I know I won't ever reach zero, but it's useful to work at getting closer to that theoretical goal.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 01:56 PM (noWW6)

125 I am sick of the fawning comments that the elder Obama girl is attractive. She got the worst physical traits of each parent.

-
There was an impressionist 50 years ago that did LBJ and had him talking about his two "semi-beautiful daughters."

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 01:56 PM (XUKZU)

126 @67 Just as black people do, at an astonishing rate.

Posted by: yeah, but they're black at December 03, 2014 01:56 PM (fBW52)

127 38
Did you shoot the reporters, Daddy?

Posted by: Malia at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (Ua6T/)

Hands up! Don't shoot!

Posted by: Chuck Todd at December 03, 2014 01:57 PM (0FSuD)

128 23 Agriculture. Building and Construction. Fields that produce something = conservative.

Entertainment. Academics. Media. Field that play make believe = liberal.

Posted by: kathysaysso
------------------
Interesting, huh?
Those with actual dirt on their hands & skin in the game kinda expect to do the job and then go home to live their lives.
Our betters say we aren't doing enough, and should pay more for bigger gov't - thus leading to fewer people actually being productive and creating anything worthwhile.

The irony is stinging.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 03, 2014 01:57 PM (iTezU)

129 Its time for Republicans to practice revenge conservatism: hit the organizations that opposing you:

1. Academia...bar any university or college from receiving any federal money unless that institution's overall costs decrease 5% a year for the next 4 years. You can screw the professors while locking upo the youth vote.

2. Media. Al a carte market place for cable and raise the cost of all broadcast licensing significantly. Ralph Nader will love you for this.

3. Hollywood. Repeal all the tax credits and special depreciation rules.

Screw them all.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the Sheena Easton Fan Club at December 03, 2014 01:58 PM (OWjjx)

130 Tell ya what. I'll "trust" the Democrat party again when they vote to repeal everything they and the president foisted upon us since 2007.

Until that happens they can stick their dishonest, hand wringing introspection up their asses.

They are not worry about what they did. They are just sorry people noticed and they got caught.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2014 01:59 PM (GGCsk)

131 There is nothing wrong with ghey's adopting little boys. Nothing I tell you.

http://tinyurl.com/bo3ldpm

Posted by: MSM Reporter at December 03, 2014 01:59 PM (0FSuD)

132 Yesterday, I was called "the media" for the first time, in the context of "the media guys will have their table over there". Took a minute to register that they were referring to me. I didn't like it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2014 02:00 PM (2cS/G)

133 Nobody is asking anybody to be an ascetic.

When feasible in your life, try to reduce the money and time you give to ProgMedia and try to support conservative alt-media. Something we all do by being here.

I watch sports that benefit ESPN and the left. I'm not willing to change that.

For me personally, I've cut out almost all the ProgMedia I'm willing to cut out so it's more that I probably need to spending more cash on conservative alt-media and hitting more tip-jars. They already get my time, but FoxNews is the main one that gets my money.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:01 PM (ZPrif)

134 That says what I have been trying to get my mind around, why focus on this nobody staffer? The reason is frustration and she was available to take that frustration/anger out on. The media are in stage two. The November elections hurt the Democrats, hurt the media (BIRM) and they lashed out at the first convenient target like any abusive bully does. Kick the dog, slap the child, attack a lowly nobody - the anger and frustration had to be vented.

Expect much, much more of the same to come before they hit stages three and four.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for all of Your Holiday Needs! at December 03, 2014 01:55 PM (hLRSq)

*************

It's finally an area where they can --with a sense of nobility defend Obama--for the children.

Otherwise The Washington Post would have to make that "foreign correspondent" cover the people getting massacred by ISIL due to the vacuum created by Obama.

Plus the real threat--has always been--Republicans.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:02 PM (RJMhd)

135 "I am sick of the fawning comments that the elder Obama girl is attractive. She got the worst physical traits of each parent."

There appears to be a surly familial scowl.

Resting bitch face plus plus.

Mooch's mom has it. Mooch has it.

Both of the daughters have it.

When the Obamas went to China (and were apparently crudely abusive and arbitrarily demanding to the Chinese hotel staff), there was a photo snapped of the three generations of women all together coming out of the door of AF1 and down the air stairs.

So help me Jeebus, all four of them had the absolutely identical twisted snarl of derision on their lips as they did so.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 02:02 PM (noWW6)

136 Speaking of sticking it to the media.

NC newspapers had an exemption on sales tax for newsstand sales. Why? Democrats ran the legislature.

One of the first bills passed by GOP legislature?

Repealing their exemption. Fuck you assholes.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 02:03 PM (0FSuD)

137 Did you shoot the reporters, Daddy?

Posted by: Malia at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (Ua6T/)

Yes, he shot all over us

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at December 03, 2014 02:04 PM (LoIJo)

138 I'm sure Jake Tapper will post an excellent tweet assuring us all that Mollie Hemignway is wrong.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 03, 2014 02:04 PM (XO6WW)

139 One of the first bills passed by GOP legislature?Repealing their exemption. Fuck you assholes.
Posted by: Nip Sip

Huzzah. it's for the children. Somehow. Who in hell cares? They stuck it to them. This. More of this.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 02:04 PM (Spluw)

140 Kermit Gosnell?

Shhhhhh.....local story!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:04 PM (ABcz/)

141 If you want to see a graceful political daughter, go look at any of the pictures of Abbott's teenage daughter. She's not some great beauty or something, but she is a modest, genuinely happy looking child who represents her parents very well.

The contrast is incredible between her and the Obama girls.

Posted by: Lauren at December 03, 2014 02:04 PM (BPMYx)

142 For me personally, I've cut out almost all the ProgMedia I'm willing to cut out
-------

Personally if I'm watching something that I know is benefiting the left I take my Nielsen meter off and put it in another room. It's a small thing but it's one less recorded viewer for them.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 02:05 PM (Ktnum)

143 19 Conservatives? I think I've heard of them.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at December 03, 2014 01:13 PM (8ZskC)

I haven't.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 03, 2014 02:06 PM (u9OP6)

144 I used to watch the NBA a lot. Used to go to games. I stopped when they went full Progtard.

My withdrawal of support hasn't hurt the NBA at all as they just signed a new TV contract worth billions. And, yeah, some of my cable bill goes to them. But I'm not willing to cut cable yet.

Everybody has to make their own decisions. Most conservatives are like me, and have decided the monthly cable/sat bill provides value worth the money spent.

If it's not worth it to you, good for you. If it is worth it, that's fine too.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:06 PM (ZPrif)

145 True, but political beliefs are NOT simply a "yes/no
question" nor are they binary. The chart documents the extremism level
of where the donations from journalists (for example) are going: to
groups that are far-left, medium-left, somewhat left, middle, somewhat
right, medium right, far right -- and all gradations in between. So in
theory, under normal social sciences theory, the distribution curve
ought to be at least somewhat bell-shaped, even if slid way over to the left. The respondants are not answering a single yes/no question.

Posted by: zombie at December 03, 2014 01:48 PM (K4YiS)

Zombie, the reason that normal distributions AKA bell-shaped curves are so common is due to the Central Limit Theorem which says that the mean of a large number of independent random variables of whatever distribution will approximately have a normal distribution.

But when it comes to political views there's no reason to believe that one's stances on different issues are random - in fact they're usually highly correlated and that's without taking into account the effects of social pressure, group dynamics, etc.

Plus the charts shown are based on actual donations by individuals which also measures intensity of feeling. And intensity tends to correlate with difference from the mean. People in the extreme left and right tend to have the strongest feelings about politics compared to those closer to the middle. You pretty much never hear about raging moderates.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (wqVD1)

146 What about Ebola?

Over 14000 people currently under observation.
Hundreds of servicemen overseas doing....something to "fight" Ebola. Maybe an article or two about what they're doing, if any of them have gotten sick, etc?

NOT news, apparently.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (ABcz/)

147 Just one minute ago, I had a colleague in my office trying to tell me how NPR is ideologically neutral - from which a hearty guffaw was issued forth. Then she proceeds to tell me about how Fox News "lies about everything"

"Give an example of what they lied about."

"I don't know. I don't watch Fox News."

::facepalm::

Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (/8qpd)

148 Whenever the subject of media bias comes up on The Five, Bouncin' Bob Beckel starts screaming that conservatives need to start going to journalism school.

I'd like to turn that around on the Ferguson "protesters."

They are screaming about the lack of diversity on police forces.

Then, more AA's should go to the Police Academy.

The police can only hire from the available pool. If the pool is all white, no diversity.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (7ObY1)

149 Ii have been saying for a long time that it will only get worse as more and more of these spongebobs get spawned into society programmed like Yul Brynner in the smoggy sweatshops of the progs.

This is nothing. We will eventually have something much more stronger than what the USSR had. They are still working out the kinks.

Its human nature after all.

Posted by: rev dr e bunnies bunny at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (N6fOO)

150 So help me Jeebus, all four of them had the absolutely identical twisted snarl of derision on their lips as they did so.

Hating whitey is a full-time job.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2014 02:08 PM (zF6Iw)

151 The girls got all of the Klingon genes and none of the Mom jeans...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:08 PM (xpPRn)

152 We had to pay taxes on fishwrap from stores but not from newspaper machines. And you could take as many as you want from the machines.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:08 PM (ZeBBB)

153 So the proves, conclusively, that American politics has been irrevocably and utterly polarized: two extremes facing off across a vast gulf.
Posted by: zombie at December 03, 2014 01:29 PM (K4YiS)

------------------------------------------------

My observations after I returned from Vietnam (which provided me a big wake-up call on awareness) was that there was a definite split in this nation. I thought, especially after 1975, that it would somehow heal and felt really sure of it when Reagan was elected. I was wrong. Terribly wrong.

The gap has widened in the last couple of decades to a wide bottomless abyss. I see no political solution to the plight this nation is in right now. As I said a couple of threads ago, the left is pushing, pushing, pushing, for someone to snap, hoping that it'll be someone on the right.

I think they've given up on that and are basically calling for open revolution from their side. The "snap" is coming.

Two more years.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:08 PM (IXPIt)

154 Everyone should let the parasitic douche dylan byers at that politico site know about this, because he was so hurt about being blamed for eveything and stuff.

They ask for all of it.

Posted by: rev dr e bunnies bunny at December 03, 2014 02:09 PM (N6fOO)

155 And on the Smug Little Bastards Scale, they are off the f_ckin' cahrts...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 03, 2014 02:09 PM (wtvvX)

156 That's ZOMBIE Pauline Kael.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:09 PM (7ObY1)

157 "Give an example of what they lied about."

"I don't know. I don't watch Fox News."

Bet the only thing she knows about Fox News she's learned from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
You know, FAKE newspeople.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:09 PM (ABcz/)

158 I think the media skewered that staffer, not so much for her comments, but to set an example for the next person who dares say something negative about their own personal jesus. And yes, it will silence many. It's the same as they are trying to do with Fergidishu. Cops will think twice before daring to defend their lives against the feral yutes.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (gvqyH)

159 Where's the military on that graph these days?

Posted by: sawhorse at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (jm3+c)

160 27

The Online Computer Services confused me, being so far left.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 03, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

Star Trek.

Posted by: cajun caret at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (UZQM8)

161 Its time for Republicans to practice revenge conservatism: hit the organizations that opposing you:

Boehner and McConnell? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (W5DcG)

162 What ever happened to the Classy Wives who had the sense to pick up the brains of their husbands on the back of a limo?

Now look what we got?

Strictly Ham and Eggrs.

Posted by: Chauncey from Owen at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (/WmRg)

163 I don't see it that way.

Posted by: Jeh Johnson at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (wAQA5)

164 I think they've given up on that and are basically calling for open revolution from their side. The "snap" is coming.

Two more years.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:08 PM (IXPIt)

It would go sooooo badly for them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (FMbng)

165 Life in the Hood. Girl, two years old, shot. Mom is 18. Means she got pregnant at 15.

Cause you know,

http://tinyurl.com/k9mwefm

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (0FSuD)

166

It is interesting how the media basically pushed open revolution more than a few times now.

Do they realize what would happen were it to actually happen? Nop.

Posted by: rev dr e bunnies bunny at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (N6fOO)

167 FreeBeacon calls it Combat Journalism.

TruthRevolt is also good at picking fights.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (ZPrif)

168 >>So help me Jeebus, all four of them had the absolutely identical twisted snarl of derision on their lips as they did so.

Kinda makes sense if Grandma is raising the girls (and why else would she need to be at thw WH, especially when Michelle is flying everywhere).
She's raising them with the same chip on her shoulder as she did Michelle.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:12 PM (ABcz/)

169 On that point, BenK and RDBrewer have both linked this fantastic piece by Mollie Hemingway -- Dear Media, This Elizabeth Lauten Nonsense Is Why Everybody Hates You.

I read that piece this morning and I have to say, Mollie Hemingway knocked it right out of the fcucking park. Damn good article.

I'd hit it just for writing that piece.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:12 PM (7ObY1)

170 "Cops will think twice before daring to defend their lives against the feral yutes."

No,cops will defend their lives as always.

They will just spend a LOT less time where feral 'yutes' hang out.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:12 PM (xpPRn)

171 Plus the charts shown are based on actual donations by individuals which also measures intensity of feeling. And intensity tends to correlate with difference from the mean. People in the extreme left and right tend to have the strongest feelings about politics compared to those closer to the middle. You pretty much never hear about raging moderates.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (wqVD1)

Or the availability of "moderate" candidates. It would be very interesting to see the chart of the candidates themselves.

You'd probably find virtually every DemocRAT (which should be given Communist Red back) at 10L, and the RepublicRATs scattered between 4L and 6C.

Posted by: steveegg at December 03, 2014 02:13 PM (cL79m)

172 You pretty much never hear about raging moderates.

That may change if Ocare & amnesty are fully implemented.

Posted by: tbodie at December 03, 2014 02:13 PM (cb/hk)

173 @146 - and you can bet the ONE thing that our media would NOT, NOT, NOT cover would be one or more of our troopers coming back from Africa with Ebola.

Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2014 02:13 PM (o+SC1)

174
I'm actually surprised at the Tech industry... being that Liberal...

I knew the big whigs were (yes, spelling on purpose)... but I didn't think the rank and file were that Liberal...Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea... at December 03, 2014 01:13 PM (f0pWu)It's not that surprising. Many of them are very smart geeks who a) have long established hostility towards a society that they perceive themselves as separate from and which is hostile to them, b) who believe that they are much smarter than they often actually are and c) who are used to living in a very insular world where they have an incredible amount of control and believe that they can carry that kind of control over to the outside world. With enough data they can predict and control the effects of any policy.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 03, 2014 02:14 PM (OiH3z)

175 Strictly Ham and Eggrs.

Posted by: Chauncey from Owen at December 03, 2014 02:11 PM (/WmRg)

And what's wrong with that?

- Strictly an Egger, not even a Ham

Posted by: steveegg at December 03, 2014 02:14 PM (cL79m)

176 The silicon valley libertarian is a 40 year old myth. Maybe that was true in 1972, hasn't been in decades.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:15 PM (ZPrif)

177 As I said a couple of threads ago, the left is pushing, pushing,
pushing, for someone to snap, hoping that it'll be someone on the right.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:08 PM (IXPIt)

It's not someone who's going to snap but simply the purse strings that are going to snap shut.

Detroit just emerged from bankruptcy. Everywhere you look, liberal blue areas are drowning in debt, printing off dollars to keep the good times rolling. They have reached the point where they have run out of other people's money to spend.

And the endgames in socialism are never pretty.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 03, 2014 02:15 PM (AC0lD)

178 What about Ebola?
NOT news, apparently.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (ABcz/)

The news today is that the CDC is now OK with circumcision (has net positive health benefits). Snip! Snip! Just remember that once you remove it, is complicated to get a replacement for the original.

(Note that in 2006 the US circumcision incident rate was 56 percent down from 63 percent in 1994)

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:15 PM (z27Ny)

179 Cops will think twice before daring to defend ~~their lives~~ YOU against the feral yutes.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (gvqyH)

FIFY

Nah, I didn't see nothing. Besides, if it is important, someone will call 911.

Posted by: rd at December 03, 2014 02:15 PM (J7NUM)

180 Cops will think twice before daring to defend YOUR lives against the feral yutes.

Which is the result desired by Obama, Holder, etc...

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 02:16 PM (Oz2Jh)

181 I'll replace any foreskin for $99.95!

Posted by: Earl Gomco Schlongmeister at December 03, 2014 02:16 PM (xpPRn)

182 Means she got pregnant at 15.

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I think this is one time we can blame it on The Man.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:16 PM (XUKZU)

183 Good. It was a bs charge, he wasn't even choking him.
Gracie Jiu-jitsu did an excellent video debunking the charge.

Get ready for more Blackrage though.

Breaking News @BreakingNews
Staten Island, NY, grand jury elects not to charge officer in choke-hold death of Eric Garner - @NYDNLocal http://nydn.us/1zRktXO

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:17 PM (ZPrif)

184 Notice how the numbers are bigger on the left side of the graph. The left is where the fanatics are.

Posted by: Dang at December 03, 2014 02:17 PM (MNq6o)

185 More burning time coming up.

Breaking News
Staten Island, NY, grand jury elects not to charge officer in choke-hold death of Eric Garne

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 02:18 PM (g1DWB)

186 brak already noted, but to emphasize, the furthest "left" groupings are twice as far along the spectrum that direction as the furthest "right" groupings are. So the skew is much worse than a quick glance would imply.

Also, note how the industries that are the very basis for the existence of the rest (mining, energy, food) are the furthest "right". Hmmm, now why would the very foundations of the modern economy be more "conservative"? And the (more off-center on the scale) "liberal" groups ALL are about control/production/dissemination of information. They produce nothing (excepting the legitimate portion of education, a shrinking portion).

Posted by: rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:18 PM (afQnV)

187 OT, but John Hinderaker makes a great point about the illegal Obama immigration amnesty at Powerline (or, at least, he reprints an email that does). Full Disclosure: I'm more in favor of immigration than many, but I'm totally opposed to Obama's FU to the Constitution and I also think American workers are taking it in the neck right now from Obama generally.

Anyway, Hinderaker's point is that illegals are getting a totally free ride on paying taxes, which many have said, and their employers are also getting a free ride from the employer part of taxes.

I hadn't realized that and its important. TFG strikes again.

http://bit.ly/1vO1VHm

Posted by: MTF at December 03, 2014 02:18 PM (LISuA)

188
Well, it's damp and chilly in NYC.

I think the bulk of the rioting will be on Staten Island. I don't think my Italian friends in the borough will take too kindly to that kind of shit from the "moo-lies."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 02:18 PM (CMkNk)

189 Uh oh...Lots more to burn in NYC.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 02:19 PM (gvqyH)

190 "I am sick of the fawning comments that the elder Obama girl is attractive. She got the worst physical traits of each parent. Yes, let's all pretend she is a stunning beauty, and the emperor's new clothes are fantastic!"

What else would you expect from the daughter of an international icon of glamor and fashion?

Posted by: tsj017 at December 03, 2014 02:19 PM (4YUWF)

191 There was no choke-hold. There were arms around his neck, but it never was tight enough to choke hi.

Morbidly obese dudes who haven't exercised in 20 years shouldn't try to resist arrest and fight off cops.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif)

192 188
Well, it's damp and chilly in NYC.

I think the bulk of the rioting will be on Staten Island. I don't think my Italian friends in the borough will take too kindly to that kind of shit from the "moo-lies."

Heh. Not the best borough for The Left.

Yoose moolinyans get da fcuk outta hee-ah.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (7ObY1)

193 She is going o be inconsolable.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (Ktnum)

194 Shep*. Stupid tablet.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (Ktnum)

195 First thing we do lets burn out all the minority service businesses!

THAT'll show The Man!

Posted by: NYC Riot Squad at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (xpPRn)

196 My coffee K-Cup says "KENYAN AA" on it.

Rayciss K-cups. The shocking story, tonight on MSNBC.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:22 PM (7ObY1)

197 185
More burning time coming up.

Breaking News

Staten Island, NY, grand jury elects not to charge officer in choke-hold death of Eric Garne

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 02:18 PM (g1DWB)

I mentioned this morning I didn't think white SI would indict. Rev Al can now have his own marches in his hometown.
The NY Slime can now discuss how racist New Yorkers are.
A win win. Hands up, Don't Choke!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 02:22 PM (0FSuD)

198 You have K-cups? Gonna need pics...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:23 PM (xpPRn)

199 First thing we do lets burn out all the minority service businesses!
THAT'll show The Man!
Posted by: NYC Riot Squad at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (xpPRn)

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They make a food desert and call it peace.
(Calgacus, sort of)

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:23 PM (z27Ny)

200 I'll replace any foreskin for $99.95!
Posted by: Earl Gomco Schlongmeister

I'm proud to be his supplier. Prepped and tenderized as only I can.

Posted by: SF Chinatown broadway butcher at December 03, 2014 02:23 PM (Spluw)

201 The news today is that the CDC is now OK with circumcision (has net positive health benefits). Snip! Snip! Just remember that once you remove it, is complicated to get a replacement for the original.

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Not that hard.

http://tinyurl.com/ntldm6k

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:23 PM (XUKZU)

202 198 You have K-cups? Gonna need pics...

except I'm a dude.

Now, we find a chick with K-cups, pics will most definitely be required!

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:23 PM (7ObY1)

203 159 Where's the military on that graph these days?
Posted by: sawhorse at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (jm3+c)

Probably a couple of screens to the right.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 03, 2014 02:24 PM (oKE6c)

204 I'm sure there is a market for dude k-cup pics... GayLandWhaleFappers.com or something...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (xpPRn)

205 MTF, immigration is a completely different topic. You were referring to illegal immigration, right?

They are as different as online commerce, and online fraud and identity theft.

As different as child care and child molestation.

As different as carpentry and arson.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (afQnV)

206 Ya know, it's not so much that the media tell lies (although they do lie horribly); it's that they now promote a whole "lie-world," a secondary "lie-reality."

Promoting the lie-world is their way of servicing the Revolution. They are clearly going for broke now that Obama's time short. A hellish two years awaits us.

Posted by: Meriadoc at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (0lkD2)

207 Don't know if Sir Charles is "conservative" or
not. From what I've heard of him, I wouldn't think so. But I do give him
much credit for having some common sense and some dignity.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (gvqyH)

Barkley I suspect is somewhere in the middle. From things I've heard him say over the years he seems to support some policy that is decidedly liberal, but at the same time he's both a capitalist and a realist.
Two things that he's said spring to mind; the first is a remark he made once in which he said he'd play basketball for the Klan if they paid him enough. The other was him describing a conversation with his mother in which she was lamenting him voting Republican because "they're for the rich people." He said he replied, "Mom, I am a rich person."

Posted by: Country Singer at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (8hctH)

208 "Rev Al can now have his own marches in his hometown."

The last time the Revrun Sharptongue got up to exhorting the masses in NYC, a couple of innocent people were killed in the resulting violent rioting and looting and arson.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (noWW6)

209 74
I've been saying for some time that Palin was the test case. It proved a
lot. For one, it proved if the media creates enough of a toxic
bandwagon, many of the right will jump right on [strike]for fear of Alinski
ridicule.[/strike] to protect their own Beltway ricebowls...FIFY

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 03, 2014 02:26 PM (XO6WW)

210 >>First thing we do lets burn out all the minority service businesses!

After the initial riot months ago, the mob was demanding that after they rebuild, they'd better hire black employees.
No logic, just entitlement.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:26 PM (ABcz/)

211 Morbidly obese dudes who haven't exercised in 20 years shouldn't try to resist arrest and fight off cops.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif)

then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony...

Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:26 PM (84oau)

212 The War on Gentle Giants continues.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:27 PM (ZeBBB)

213 then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony...
Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:26 PM (84oau)
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Why not draw the line at Class B misdemeanors?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:27 PM (z27Ny)

214 " Rev Al can now have his own marches in his hometown."

Will Hugo de Blasio give up that much camera time?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 03, 2014 02:27 PM (XO6WW)

215 Playing "soo biiig" with infant grandson. Different take on the gesture than is currently promoted in our media.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at December 03, 2014 02:28 PM (MIKMs)

216 #209: Nixon was the test case.

Palin was one result (of many) of the Nixon test case.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:28 PM (7ObY1)

217 I'm kind of interested how they counted "donors". Which ones are individuals and which ones are union based. I would think auto and dealers would be more leftwing. I get parts of the entertainment industry, but I have met plenty of right wingers in socal, or at least they are on April 15th. Tech is either libertarian or liberal, people tend to get confused because they throw right leaning tech investors in with everyone else.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 03, 2014 02:28 PM (JjJUC)

218 Death penalty for jaywalking, I say!

Rastus, get me another scotch and soda.

Posted by: Harumph, Harumph, Harumph! at December 03, 2014 02:29 PM (xpPRn)

219 Posted by: rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (afQnV)
======================

yes, you're right.

Posted by: MTF at December 03, 2014 02:29 PM (LISuA)

220 Kids don't deserved to be stopped by the police for stealing some cigars.

Posted by: Ferguson Resident on CNN at December 03, 2014 02:29 PM (Ktnum)

221 The Staten Island Police forgot to do the plunger thing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:29 PM (ZeBBB)

222
>>First thing we do lets burn out all the minority service businesses!

*pops corn*

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 02:30 PM (XzRw1)

223 Meriadoc, you're on to a key point.

It's the SELECTION and EMPHASIS (sorry, I can't do italicans here) of "news" that is the key. Quite evident in just this week's list of media distortions: the on-event of a Hill staffer with some social media comment, vs. the huge scandalous story of the Dem bundler/Bambi buddy/gay rights honcho busted for heinous criminal acts involving - just for histrionic emphasis - an illegal alien minor.

These are "political", personality, scandal sorts of stories. The distortion and "news management" here definitely helps their political wing, the Dems.

But it's the wholesale, non-stop distortion and management of "real" news - economic, military, foreign policy, legal/constitutional, etc. - that has the country dumbed down so much the republic is on life support.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:30 PM (afQnV)

224 You know, the spin going on by the WaPo, in particular, regarding this would make Superman pause in the middle of turning back time and say "Spin much?"

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 02:30 PM (mf5HN)

225 213 then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony...
Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:26 PM (84oau)
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Why not draw the line at Class B misdemeanors?
Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:27 PM (z27Ny)

I'm not a police officer, it's a tough job. You see the worst side of people. No one calls up the police to say, "Hey, we're having a group hug, c'mon over"

But, in this case it seems like the force was excessive - did it rise to a criminal level? The Grand Jury decided "no", I defer to their judgement. Still it is tragic.

Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:31 PM (84oau)

226 They burned down the Grape Drank Emporium.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:31 PM (ZeBBB)

227 Where's the military on that graph these days?
Posted by: sawhorse at December 03, 2014 02:10 PM (jm3+c)

-----------------------------------------

With Ogumbe's purgings and the blatant ghey infestation, I'm afraid we might be disappointed.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:31 PM (IXPIt)

228 >>Palin was one result (of many) of the Nixon test case.

I think Palin was something different - it was a full-scale, flood the zone type attack that merged news and entertainment. Jon Stewart, late night talk shows and SNL would create the joke, and the the news (especially MSNBC) would run a clip of it over and over again. Then there were magazines like People that worshiped the Obama (respectful coverage) while covering the Palins like Kardashians.
It was an intensity I've never witnessed before.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:31 PM (ABcz/)

229 Gentle Giant's 1980 swansong, CIVILIAN, is much-maligned among fans.

Personally, I consider it a masterpiece. While the band's Prog leanings were over with for the most part, CIVILIAN was smart hard rock that was light-years ahead of its time.

The theme of the album (and almost all GG albums had a theme) was the depersonalization of modern society.

The songs explored themes like the pervasiveness of surveillance cameras and the obsession with celebrities...and this was in 1980! Those lyrics could have been written yesterday.

Posted by: Citizen X at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (7ObY1)

230 What could possibly go wrong?

(link in nic)

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (k+AIG)

231 189 Uh oh...Lots more to burn in NYC.
Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 02:19 PM (gvqyH)

Michael Grimm's district, which is about the only conservative one in the city.

Still VERY blue collar Italian, Irish, German. I suppose the Howard Beach protest* which were also in a very Italian area would be the benchmark. Lots of noise but no damage.

1987 beating death of Yusuf Hawkins by Joey Fama*

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (CMkNk)

232 then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony...
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If your morbidly obese heart gives out from the stress of being arrested and resisting, then the cops haven't killed you.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (ZPrif)

233 Kids don't deserved to be stopped by the police for stealing some cigars.

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Gentle Giant I was stealing cigars. Gentle Giant II was selling illegal cigarettes. Big Tobacco kills.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (XUKZU)

234 230 What could possibly go wrong?

(link in nic)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (k+AIG)

Can we implant LIV's with conservative brain cells?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 02:33 PM (CMkNk)

235 Maybe Algernon will stop getting lost.

Posted by: Richard Gere at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (ZeBBB)

236 MTF, I hesitate to amend or correct another commenter who clearly is saying reasonable things, so please understand that. It's just that the conflation of illegal and legal immigration (not by you, but the press/Dems/idiots/Ch. of Commerce) is at the very heart of the (failed) propaganda effort on this topic.

One sees it all the time, even here in these comments. Including the real eye-roller, when people whine about visa or immigration process hassles and claim these minor problems are a reason for "immigration reform".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (afQnV)

237 Next up, they are going to try this on Joe Biden.

(link in nic)

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (k+AIG)

238 How much does a loosie go for in NYC?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (xpPRn)

239 "then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony..."

So now the cops should be required to perform a medical diagnosis while struggling with a suspect? Maybe we can kit them out with BP cuffs and portable EKG's as well as camcorders...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (XO6WW)

240 147 Just one minute ago, I had a colleague in my office trying to tell me how NPR is ideologically neutral - from which a hearty guffaw was issued forth. Then she proceeds to tell me about how Fox News "lies about everything"

"Give an example of what they lied about."

"I don't know. I don't watch Fox News."

::facepalm::
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 03, 2014 02:07 PM (/8qpd)

We left a church we were thinking about joining, because one of the elders said he hated the liars on Fox news. I told him he was wrong, and that a few of the guest experts were friends of mine, and he said they were liars, and I must be one too.

I didn't say Fukc you very much as I left. But I wanted to.

Posted by: Moki at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (bAB8f)

241
then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony...

trying to take a cops gun and punching him in the face is not a minor felony

Posted by: kj at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (lKyWE)

242 What could possibly go wrong?

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Yeah, like there's not enough human rodents around already.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:35 PM (XUKZU)

243 Gentle Giant I was stealing cigars. Gentle Giant II was selling illegal cigarettes. Big Tobacco kills.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (XUKZU)
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Obviously taxes on tobacco products are too high and that is leading to a lot of illegal activity by good folks who would otherwise be completely law abiding.

Posted by: Randy Paul at December 03, 2014 02:35 PM (z27Ny)

244 Two things that he's said spring to mind; the first is a remark he made once in which he said he'd play basketball for the Klan if they paid him enough. The other was him describing a conversation with his mother in which she was lamenting him voting Republican because "they're for the rich people." He said he replied, "Mom, I am a rich person."
Posted by: Country Singer at December 03, 2014 02:25 PM (8hctH) Hadn't heard that. More respect given then...

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2014 02:35 PM (gvqyH)

245 I think Palin was something different - it was a full-scale, flood the zone type attack that merged news and entertainment. Jon Stewart, late night talk shows and SNL would create the joke, and the the news (especially MSNBC) would run a clip of it over and over again. Then there were magazines like People that worshiped the Obama (respectful coverage) while covering the Palins like Kardashians.It was an intensity I've never witnessed before.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:31 PM (ABcz/)

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To put it another way: Sarah Palin was the personification of everything they want to destroy in this nation.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (IXPIt)

246 Famous Charles Barkley story. His mother comes to him and asks why he's voting republican, they are the party of the rich. Barkley responds "ma, we are rich". I still wouldn't consider him part of either party. He's mocked both extensively.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (JjJUC)

247 Repeal the racist tobacco taxes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (ZeBBB)

248 Can we implant LIV's with conservative brain cells?

You have to crack their skulls open first. Don't be surprised if you find nothing.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (XzRw1)

249 I think Palin was something different - it was a full-scale, flood the zone type attack that merged news and entertainment. Jon Stewart, late night talk shows and SNL would create the joke, and the the news (especially MSNBC) would run a clip of it over and over again. Then there were magazines like People that worshiped the Obama (respectful coverage) while covering the Palins like Kardashians.
It was an intensity I've never witnessed before.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:31 PM (ABcz/)

It was amazing, wasn't it? It was the media equivalent of a chop block, and showed just how terrified the Reds were of her influence. The only parallel I can think of is Nixon, who got dumped on every day for a year during Watergate. Network news stories on some days just said there was nothing new to report, then proceeded to rehash the whole thing over again.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (oKE6c)

250 Gentle Giant I was stealing cigars. Gentle Giant II was selling illegal cigarettes. Big Tobacco kills. Posted by: The Great White Snark

We need a meme of this with Dear leader smoking a cigarette.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (Spluw)

251 "Sarah Palin was the personification of everything they want to destroy in this nation."

Librarian MILF's with big hooters? The bastards!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (xpPRn)

252 then again, you shouldn't have to die because you are committing a minor felony...

trying to take a cops gun and punching him in the face is not a minor felony
Posted by: kj at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (lKyWE)

I was commenting on the Staten Island case not Ferguson

Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (84oau)

253 So unlike the Ferguson, the guy in Staten Island DID have his HANDS UP.

He also wasn't stoned and was just trying to make a buck. See photo in this NY Post story.

NYC home of the Yankee Racist!

http://tinyurl.com/l9xkbct

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 02:37 PM (0FSuD)

254 @252
nevermind

Posted by: kj at December 03, 2014 02:38 PM (lKyWE)

255 Gentle Giant I was stealing cigars. Gentle Giant II was selling illegal cigarettes. Big Tobacco kills.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:32 PM (XUKZU)

And they were both clearly food insecure. People are starving!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 03, 2014 02:38 PM (oKE6c)

256 My coffee K-Cup says "KENYAN AA" on it.

That'll sober ya right up.

Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2014 02:39 PM (DL2i+)

257 How much does a loosie go for in NYC?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:34 PM (xpPRn)
I'd guess a buck, since a single pack goes for around $11 in NYC from what I've read. Though half the cigs in the city are bought/bootlegged from outside the city.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:39 PM (k+AIG)

258 There was no choke-hold, he was dragged to the ground while being arrest, partially with a neck hold.

Choke-hold is a specific maneuver and has to be applied for a fair bit of time to cause death.

Neck hold was released as soon as they got the guy to the ground. Impossible for that to have been cause of death.

A lot of morbidly obese people die from sudden exertion. Being arrested and taken down is stressful.

You can argue some less stress-inducing method should have been used to subdue him.

And you can argue the laws penalizing his quite minor crime are dumb.

It is against the law though. And it is difficult to subdue really large dudes who don't want to be subdued.

I feel bad for the guy. I think the laws are stupid.

I'm not sure what the cops should have done different given it is their job to enforce the stupid laws. The guy clearly wasn't a healthy man.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:39 PM (ZPrif)

259 You know you're breaking the law, you resist arrest, bad things are going to happen.

Posted by: Sir Charles at December 03, 2014 02:39 PM (/nR7C)

260 And they were both clearly food insecure. People are starving!
Posted by: Jay Guevara

Obviously neither heeded the sage wisdom of Mooch.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 02:39 PM (Spluw)

261 >>"Sarah Palin was the personification of everything they want to destroy in this nation."

She is proof that everything Feminists tells you is false.

She's made the anti"feminist" choice at every turn, and she's happy, successful, has a loving family, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:40 PM (ABcz/)

262 Ace points out that the totally propaganda leftist MSM, or (as Instapundit calls them "Democrat operatives with bylines") won't print a story unless it serves their narrative. But you know what they want to do know? They want social institutions generally to follow their lead.

Example "A" is the Ferguson Grand Jury. If the Grand Jury won't return charges, that fact becomes an indictment of the Grand Jury process writ large.

Or, as TNR puts it, "Our systems do not work"! Radical change, baby, its what they want.

http://tinyurl.com/ldc5766

Posted by: MTF at December 03, 2014 02:40 PM (LISuA)

263 EBT kills gentle giant.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:41 PM (ZeBBB)

264 a single pack goes for around $11 in NYC

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???!!!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:41 PM (XUKZU)

265 I'm not sure what the cops should have done different given it is their
job to enforce the stupid laws. The guy clearly wasn't a healthy man.

Maybe the cops could have put a Twinkie on a string and he would have followed it into the back of a police car?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 03, 2014 02:42 PM (UVfht)

266 259 >> ~~You know you're breaking the law,~~ you resist arrest, bad things are going to happen.

FIFY. If you resist, they WILL win and you will lose.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:42 PM (k+AIG)

267 She's made the anti"feminist" choice at every turn, and she's happy, successful, has a loving family, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:40 PM (ABcz/)

And the RadFems hate that with every fiber of their being. And the fact that she kept Trig and didn't choose abortion was her mortal sin in their eyes. She is completely antithetical to everything they stand for. They had to demolish any influence she might have, because we can't have young girls thinking for themselves, and deciding that stinky hairy armpits and manhating are bad things.

Posted by: Moki at December 03, 2014 02:43 PM (bAB8f)

268 I'm not sure what the cops should have done different given it is their job to enforce the stupid laws. The guy clearly wasn't a healthy man.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:39 PM (ZPrif)
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perhaps someone can answer...

Is there a reason that police so often take people they are arresting to the ground as opposed to cuffing them standing up? It seems (to this very casual observer of police procedure)to be a standard now and was not several decades ago. Was there a reason for the change in 'protocol'?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:43 PM (z27Ny)

269 I agree the tobacco tax is stupid. Is guaranteed to create low level crime like this. And people will inevitably be injured and killed as the cops try to police illegal tobacco sales.

But morbidly obese dude + stress + sudden exertion = not good for the body.

Dealing with non-compliant large dudes is a tough problem for police.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:43 PM (ZPrif)

270 "Yesterday he pled guilty and that also generated one story in the
Washington Post. If there's network coverage of this congressional
staffer raping people, I'm not seeing it. Did I mention he was a staff
director for Democrats on a Senate panel?"

As Johnny Carson used to say, "I did not know that."

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at December 03, 2014 02:43 PM (wT9UL)

271 Can't New Yorkers buy Cigarettes by mail from Fauxcohontasse's People.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:43 PM (ZeBBB)

272 Breaking news: Two Denver cops struck by a car while monitoring students blocking traffic as part of St. Swisher the Sweet protest.

See WZ.

I don't know whether it was intentional or not.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (XUKZU)

273 Lizzy, in all of the worsening distortion and dishonesty and intellectual decline of the press (and I worked in the heart of the Beltway media beast years back so had a front-row seat), the Palin chapter stands out. Actually, the whole 2008 campaign.

The Joe the Plumber insanity, for example. That was the US? WTF? From the press to the crimes committed by state officials trying to slime a guy who simply ASKED A QUESTION of a comically unfit presidential candidate who wandered into HIS front yard while he was playing catch with his son.

I know people who live in Alaska. One of them - I'm not kidding - actually thought the "see Russia from my house" thing was real, not a lame SNL gag. This person actually praised a few things Palin did as governor. Yet is so dependent on the make-believe world created by the media/infotainment/entertainment complex that he believes a comedy skit was reality.

The Palin thing is an identifiable part of the historical break that's happened, at least to me. This country, its civic culture, is largely unrecognizable to me - all in a negative way.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (afQnV)

274 >>I was commenting on the Staten Island case not Ferguson

Some details that might shed some extra light on this.

Garner was currently on bail and had 4 previous arrests for selling untaxed cigarettes, possession of weed, driving without a license and false personation. Nothing real serious but he was known to the cops and again, he was violating his bail.

He also told the cops something to the affect that they were always harassing him and "it stops today".

I don't think this guy was some violent criminal but when you are knowingly breaking the law and violating your bail its not a great idea to resist arrest particularly when you are huge and it also speaks to the mindset of the cops.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (g1DWB)

275 Here's a Sir Charles story: on a sports message board I frequent, a guy posted once about getting to meet and hang out with Barkley. Evidently he was visiting his uncle in Vegas and his uncle was a golfing buddy of Sir Charles. Barkley happened to be in town at the same time, called up this guy's uncle and told him to meet him at some casino. So this guy and his uncle go and spend the night gambling and drinking with Sir Charles. The best part of the story is when, at about 2AM, they head to the High Roller room. The guy relates that it's like a mini-UN of whales; there's Saudis at one table, Japanese at another, Brazilians at another, and Russians at yet another. Barkley rolls in, starts dropping cash on the table, and tells the cocktail waitress, "Just keep bringing drinks to everybody in the room until we're all speaking the same language."

Posted by: Country Singer at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (8hctH)

276 @258

I believe they say he died of a heart attack. Look how big he is in the video at my link.

Six cops needed to take him down. All for selling loose cigarettes. NOW that is not right.

Can not wait for Holder to show up in NYC and lecture the NYPD.

Oh wait, NY is a Blue Yankee state, they can not have racist, only Red Southern states have racist..

It's a fact.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (0FSuD)

277 My hash needs a government bailout.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (k+AIG)

278 Is there a reason that police so often take people they are arresting to the ground as opposed to cuffing them standing up?
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Well the video they're showing on the news right now shows the guy slapping the cops hands away whenever he would go to cuff him.

Posted by: Sir Charles at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (/nR7C)

279 "I think Palin was something different - it was a full-scale, flood the zone type attack that merged news and entertainment."

At the same time, on the other side of the ledger, the media were putting on another huge infotainment push. This time a positive one. The positive push being for The Lightworker, of course.

That infotainment campaign carried over into 2012.

Would anyone seriously have believed it only a few short years ago if you had told them that a sitting President of the United States, campaigning for re-election, would appear on a radio show called "Pimp With A Limp", and that this would be taken seriously?

The pop-culturalization of national level political office is a terrible sign of America's body politic beginning to decompose. Regular "rhomboid" discusses this rather often.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 02:45 PM (noWW6)

280 "Cuff early, cuff often, cuff down."

A fair number of detained individuals decide to resist during the cuffing process... much easier to prevent/stop it when they are down.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 03, 2014 02:45 PM (xpPRn)

281 Is there a reason that police so often take people they are arresting to the ground as opposed to cuffing them standing up? It seems (to this very casual observer of police procedure)to be a standard now and was not several decades ago. Was there a reason for the change in 'protocol'?
Posted by: RioBravo

I dunno. I guess that it's easier and less contraversial meansto gain control than to employ other methods, such as outright fighting, using any sort of stick or chokehold. it could also be that large, obese suspects, combined with more smaller officers (mostly female) means that outright fighting is a bad idea.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2014 02:46 PM (Spluw)

282 Yeah, the fine is minor, I think.

Maybe with image recognition in the future cops can just take your pic, ID you, and fine you. Like with red-light cameras.

No need to drag you down, get your wallet, force you into the car.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:46 PM (ZPrif)

283 To put it another way: Sarah Palin was the personification of everything they want to destroy in this nation.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:36 PM (IXPIt)
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The 2016 election cycle will be a Reform cycle with a Trust presidential election. The American people will send the to the White House the biggest "FU Washington" candidate who meets the minimum presidential qualifications.

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2014 02:46 PM (JBggj)

284 Barkley rolls in,

starts dropping cash on the table, and tells the cocktail waitress, "Just keep bringing drinks to everybody in the room until we're all speaking the same language."

That's on my bucket list.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 02:47 PM (LIoem)

285 Just a word to the wise. If you decide to break the law and the police confront you and you don't want any added stress, do what they say.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:47 PM (IXPIt)

286 the fact that she kept Trig and didn't choose abortion was her mortal sin in their eyes.

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A lot of women aborted because of their caree5rs. they wanted to be the next Barbra Walters. Now they're giving hours farm price reports from midnight to six A.M. on Tulsa's only All Polka All the Time radio station, they look at Palin, and can't take it.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:47 PM (XUKZU)

287 Posted by: Sir Charles at December 03, 2014 02:44 PM (/nR7C)
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I mean in general, not that specific case. I don't know if most of the video I have seen of arrests in the past 10 years or so (maybe that is common only to high profile controversial cases) just happen to be of suspects resisting arrest or it it is a new standard police procedure. That is what I was wondering. Are take-downs common or just extreme cases?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:47 PM (z27Ny)

288 Alternate headline: NY Cop Does His Job, Minorities Offended

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 03, 2014 02:48 PM (XzRw1)

289 I don't think I have heard the media when describing the Michael Brown incident use the phrase--

"resisting arrest'--not even FOX--although I really don't watch FOX much.

Shep Smith is intolerable.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:48 PM (RJMhd)

290 >> Is there a reason that police so often take people they are arresting to the ground as opposed to cuffing them standing up?

If you refuse their order to place your hands behind your back, yes, they are taking you to the ground where it is easier to gain physical control of you.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2014 02:48 PM (k+AIG)

291 >>She is completely antithetical to everything they stand for...

Not just Trig...

*Not going to a fancy college and committing to a career before everything else
*Marrying her HS sweetheart, and he's a nobody with no political connections or elitist pedigree
*Having 5 kids and committing to raise them herself
*Supporting her daughter's choice after getting pregnant
*Being Christian (the patriarchy!)
*Starting politics from the ground up with a position on the local school board (opposite of Hillary)

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:49 PM (ABcz/)

292 It seems (to this very casual observer of police procedure)to be a standard now and was not several decades ago. Was there a reason for the change in 'protocol'?

People are more uppity. Less respect for cops & the law. Laying face down, legs bent up at the knees, hands behind the back makes it harder to physically resist/run.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 02:49 PM (LIoem)

293 Question because I haven't followed the NYC case that closely:

There is video of this. I don't know who shot the video but I know it's there.

Aren't putting body cameras on cops supposed to "solve" incidents like this? Here's the video, here's what happened, look it's clear!

Well, it looks like there is clear video here and there's still no indictment (I am agnostic on the indictment issue by the by).

So doesn't this prove video isn't a magic cure all?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 02:50 PM (mf5HN)

294 I'd like to see charts for the Democrat and Republican parties. I suspect they would be instructive.

Posted by: rickl at December 03, 2014 02:50 PM (zoehZ)

295 >>The Palin thing is an identifiable part of the historical break that's
happened, at least to me. This country, its civic culture, is largely
unrecognizable to me - all in a negative way.

Completely agree, rhomboid. Heard it referred to a "the wilding of Sarah Palin" and it fits.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:51 PM (ABcz/)

296 Everybody is screaming about choke-holds. Choke-hold was not cause of death, could not have been cause of death. Was not applied for any length of time. Coroner made huge mistake due to ignorance.

Arms around neck != deadly choke-hold.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:51 PM (ZPrif)

297 Cuffing on the ground keeps them from running and swinging at you.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 02:52 PM (0FSuD)

298 I'd say: "Hi Mrs. Smith! I found your lost doggie!"

I'd be thinking: "I wanna taze you till your depends burst. All of you. Every last one of you. Every contact with a civie ever. Taze. Taze! TAZE!"

Posted by: If I Was Still A Cop... at December 03, 2014 02:52 PM (xpPRn)

299 So doesn't this prove video isn't a magic cure all?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 02:50 PM (mf5HN)

My take on the body cameras - it's a payoff to an Obama supporter somehow. Dig deep enough on anything they do and some crony is making money off of it.

Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:52 PM (84oau)

300 We're at the point where the cops need the body cameras and they probably need to keep their own copies of the video-- to protect their jobs/income.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at December 03, 2014 02:52 PM (RJMhd)

301 Choke-hold is a specific maneuver and has to be applied for a fair bit of time to cause death.

Neck hold was released as soon as they got the guy to the ground. Impossible for that to have been cause of death.

A lot of morbidly obese people die from sudden exertion. Being arrested and taken down is stressful.

Posted by: Costanza Defense

All may be true, but didn't the coroner rule it a homicide?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (s9AKD)

302 Just a word to the wise. If you decide to break the law and the police confront you and you don't want any added stress, do what they say.
Posted by: Soona

I had a cop apologize for giving me a ticket once, because I had just moved back from working for the prison system, and was "Yes sir, no sir" polite.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (LIoem)

303 That is what I was wondering. Are take-downs common or just extreme cases?
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Hard to say, they may seem common but that may be because only extreme cases get any attention. I honestly don't know.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (/nR7C)

304 Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2014 02:49 PM (ABcz/)

And don't forget that she is hot.

That irritates them to no end.

Posted by: CBD at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (Zu3d9)

305 When a person is spread-eagled and face down on the ground, it more or less takes away any surprise moves to resist. Standing up, even against a wall, will still give the perp a chance to make any number of moves to try to make life miserable for the officer (or security officer as I once was).

Yeah, this lesson was learned the hard way.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (IXPIt)

306 Funny how those oil coal and gas companies are big Dem donors, fund pbs, etc

Posted by: Null at December 03, 2014 02:54 PM (TFxjY)

307 Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 03, 2014 02:51 PM (ZPrif)

Thanks doc!

Posted by: CBD at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (Zu3d9)

308 "Well the video they're showing on the news right now shows the guy
slapping the cops hands away whenever he would go to cuff him."

I've seen a lot of examples of this in local arrest coverage.

If I were a street thug being collared, I'd probably do just that: physically resist arrest without overt violence towards the police. Struggle to avoid the cuffs.

If I'm called to account for resisting, I can claim that the cops were handling me roughly and hurting my wrists. One of those difficult to disprove soft-tissue-injury claims that juries swoon for.

If the cops get frustrated and go over the line and use a prohibited chokehold or give me a wood shampoo, I'll have scumbag attorneys lined up out the door with lucrative police brutality claims. Especially if I can claim RAYCISS ELEVENTY motives on the part of the cops.

And, if I'm a street thug, resisting The Man gets me street cred.

Win-win-win scenario.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (noWW6)

309 Update: Four Denver cops hit, one critically injured. The car went up onto the sidewalk to strike the four bicycle riding officers, it appeared to be intentional. Driver in custody.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 02:55 PM (XUKZU)

310 Update: Four Denver cops hit, one critically injured. The car went up onto the sidewalk to strike the four bicycle riding officers, it appeared to be intentional. Driver in custody.
Posted by: The Great White Snark

The police acted stupidly.

Posted by: Manufactured messiah at December 03, 2014 02:56 PM (Spluw)

311 So doesn't this prove video isn't a magic cure all?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 02:50 PM

That sounds suspiciously like logic. Stop that right now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 03, 2014 02:57 PM (knoK7)

312 I think the bulk of the rioting will be on Staten Island. I don't think my Italian friends in the borough will take too kindly to that kind of shit from the "moo-lies."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2014 02:18 PM (CMkNk)

You are soooo right about that.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2014 02:58 PM (FMbng)

313 My take on the body cameras - it's a payoff to an Obama supporter somehow. Dig deep enough on anything they do and some crony is making money off of it.
Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:52 PM (84oau)

GRaFT, baby.

Using more of that icky logic, where was it that a cop got shot, apparently by other cops, and, wow, can you believe it, but, get this, there was a glitch and none of their body cameras worked.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 02:59 PM (mf5HN)

314 Hard to say, they may seem common but that may be because only extreme cases get any attention. I honestly don't know.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (/nR7C)
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Apparently use of force in arrests is very rare. The latest statistics I can find through a quick search is from 1995and some from 1997) data in a DOJ study which found:

0.0419 % of calls-for-service resulted in use of force
Use of force: 87 % physical, 7 % chemical, 5% firearms
10 % of officers reciveived injuries, 1 % serious
28 % of suspects received injuries, 1.5 % serious

Posted by: RioBravo at December 03, 2014 02:59 PM (z27Ny)

315 These peaceful protests can be dangerous.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 03, 2014 02:59 PM (ZeBBB)

316 Also on the list of unforgivable sins by Palin in the eyes of the chattering classes:

-- Being genuinely blue-collar working class. The chatterers profess to adore workers. They are actually privately horrified by them.

-- Hunting. And then feeding her family with the venison! How declasse. Why doesn't this disgusting backward chillbilly just shop at Whole Foods like a normal person?

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (noWW6)

317 All may be true, but didn't the coroner rule it a homicide?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2014 02:53 PM (s9AKD)

Yes. We have no idea his/her's politics. Lots of cop haters in NYC.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (0FSuD)

318 The odd thing is all this rayciss violence seems to be contained in Blue State only. What gives? I thought Red State white males was teh problem.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (oDCMR)

319 Full Disclosure: I'm more in favor of immigration than many"

Full Disclosure: I'm more in favor of immigration too, but anyone who thinks amnesty will do ANYTHING good is on crack. It's time pro-immigration people woke up and reality what a cockup we have gotten ourselves into accepting 'amnesty' as part of any immigration reform. Amnesty just repeats the error of 1986. It will make things worse.

Real immigration reform would be:
- EVerify used by all
- Borders controlled and people who come and go by visa tracked
- End sanctuary city policies
- deport any illegal alien who so much as commits jaywalking
- Legal immigration refocussed on employment-based immigration
- End anchor baby status with fixing birthright citizenship (its not for tourists or illegal aliens)
Once we fix all of the above, THEN we give those who are here illegally a deferred deportation order to go home within 2 years and get their status legalized - not through an open-ended amnesty but through a limited program.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (wT9UL)

320 And, if I'm a street thug, resisting The Man gets me street cred. Win-win-win scenario.
Posted by: torquewrench

"Here lies torquewrench. Cred out the ass and 6 feet under."

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (LIoem)

321 How Not to Get Shot By the Police

http://tinyurl.com/lxmkfow

Everyone should watch that M.O.B. video for a little perspective.

Posted by: Feh at December 03, 2014 03:02 PM (/num+)

322 nood bush.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (LIoem)

323 Now they're saying that the driver who struck the cops was having a medical emergency, some type of seizure.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 03, 2014 03:03 PM (XUKZU)

324 "Here lies torquewrench. Cred out the ass and 6 feet under."
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (LIoem)

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Heh. His last words? "Your too much of a pussy to shoot".

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (IXPIt)

325 NYC "riots" if anything, will be less than half of what Ferguson was - media types are stupid, but they aren't going to sh-- where they eat and annoy the NYPD....

Posted by: robschr at December 03, 2014 03:04 PM (rPSqu)

326 313 My take on the body cameras - it's a payoff to an Obama supporter somehow. Dig deep enough on anything they do and some crony is making money off of it.
Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 02:52 PM (84oau)
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Obama's plan is a Trojan Horse. Do you have any idea what the storage cost of all those recorded police hours will cost? Do you think the providers of the hardware and software are not campaign donors to Fredo? Further, do you think Trial Lawyers will have a field day going through a police officer's video history to find just one quote to sink his credibility with a jury? No local police department can afford it, much less want it.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (oDCMR)

327 "205
MTF, immigration is a completely different topic. You were referring to illegal immigration, right?

They are as different as online commerce, and online fraud and identity theft.

As different as child care and child molestation.

As different as carpentry and arson"

Good one.
As different as a chemical balm and chemical bomb.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at December 03, 2014 03:05 PM (wT9UL)

328 Is this a "COPS GOOD" thread, because they kicked somebodies ass we thought had it coming - or a "COPS BAD" thread, because they shot another dog or innocent homeowner ?

Y'all have got to start color-coding this shit.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (Oz2Jh)

329 "33
So why do Conservatives continue to send their kids to liberal schools, consume liberal media and entertainment?"

Good question. We have few choices, frankly.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (wT9UL)

330 Just google Minka 54 triple k. Bwa hahaahahahah consider yourselves warned

Posted by: NativeNH at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (Ft+hz)

331
I'm actually surprised that agriculture is a far to the right as it is.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

Because actually growing stuff, with the object of making a living thereby, means that you have to have your head firmly grounded in reality. You have to deal with stuff like weather, cost of inputs, prices of commodities, etc., as they really are, not how you wish them to be.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (8Fl6F)

332 Because actually growing stuff, with the object of making a living thereby, means that you have to have your head firmly grounded in reality. You have to deal with stuff like weather, cost of inputs, prices of commodities, etc., as they really are, not how you wish them to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2014 03:07 PM (8Fl6F)

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm not surprised because farm subsidies, baby.

*ragetwitches*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at December 03, 2014 03:08 PM (mf5HN)

333 328 Is this a "COPS GOOD" thread, because they kicked somebodies ass we thought had it coming - or a "COPS BAD" thread, because they shot another dog or innocent homeowner ?

Y'all have got to start color-coding this shit.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 03:06 PM (Oz2Jh)

I thought dogs couldn't see colors, ScoggDog

Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (84oau)

334 Story Time !!!

Spent an entire Baltimore to Louisville flight surrounded by farmers, back from lobbying for farm subsidies.

Learned that free markets are good for other people, but not farmers. Taking money from the public and giving it to farmers is good for the public - whether the public agrees or not.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (Oz2Jh)

335 Real immigration reform would be:
- EVerify used by all
- Borders controlled and people who come and go by visa tracked
- End sanctuary city policies
- deport any illegal alien who so much as commits jaywalking
- Legal immigration refocussed on employment-based immigration
- End anchor baby status with fixing birthright citizenship (its not for tourists or illegal aliens)
Once we fix all of the above, THEN we give those who are here illegally a deferred deportation order to go home within 2 years and get their status legalized - not through an open-ended amnesty but through a limited program.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at December 03, 2014 03:00 PM (wT9UL)

I would add that we need to ditch visa waivers as well. Plenty of people come to the US by going to countries that have a visa waiver agreement with the US, and slide past the screening system. State claims this can't happen, but they would be lying. It happens all the time. The countries where we (consular officers) have to screen each and every person wishing to obtain a visa to the US have the lowest adjustment rates (when the visa holder changes status from B1B2 temporary to green card) and highest rate of non criminal elements transiting to the US. But State loves visa waivers because it means less work. More time to cookie push.

(Full disclosure, I was a cookie pusher, but I had the highest refusal rates for my section, as well as the fewest adjustments. I did my best to protect from that side.)

Posted by: Moki at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (bAB8f)

336 334 Story Time !!!

...
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 03, 2014 03:14 PM (Oz2Jh)

I was hoping for something out of the old "True Men" magazine, like "Helpless Virgins in the Nazi's Harness of Terror"...

Posted by: MikeH at December 03, 2014 03:17 PM (84oau)

337 The chattering classes only work in the abstract. In the abstract anything can be believed. Reality intrudes upon those who work in the concrete.

In the abstract I am the King of Siam. In reality my belief doesn't go too far in Bangkok, much less Peoria.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 03, 2014 03:33 PM (siu6t)

338 223 rhomboid at December 03, 2014 02:30 PM (afQnV)

The Germans actually have a word for the systematic suppression of facts and truth in general: Todtschweigen. Roughly translated, it means "to be as silent as the dead" about some fact. We're living through some very interesting times. There used to be a residual sense of the "real" reality in the American electorate that inoculated them against these massive lies. One can only hope that it still exists. I wouldn't have doubted it 10 years ago, but it seems to be an open question now. Heaven help us!

Posted by: Meriadoc at December 03, 2014 04:18 PM (bSSBg)

339 Uhrm, you do realize... you are the media.

Posted by: Doom at December 03, 2014 06:47 PM (8SBL3)

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