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New Yorker Magazine Really Proud of Its "Bold" Thanksgiving Cover

Woah.

Mind. Blown.


Posted by: Ace at 07:28 PM




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1 ooh so edgy and first -maybe

Posted by: Paleride at November 21, 2014 07:30 PM (dkExz)

2 where is everyone ...one ... one .... one

Posted by: WingNut at November 21, 2014 07:31 PM (1056T)

3 Derp

Posted by: The New Yorker at November 21, 2014 07:31 PM (oFCZn)

4 The cover is wrong.



The Redskins don't do anything that causes their fans to cheer.

Posted by: Vendette at November 21, 2014 07:32 PM (6Pi1n)

5 Edgy? How?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:33 PM (2cS/G)

6
The idiots are too clever by one- billionth. They just shot down ever argument the left has to fore the name change.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:33 PM (CMkNk)

7 $6.99? Good Lord. Do people actually buy that rag?

Posted by: huerfano at November 21, 2014 07:34 PM (bAGA/)

8
6 ever = every
fore = force

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:34 PM (CMkNk)

9 Here, Cochise. Have a beer. Whatcha got in the pipe?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 21, 2014 07:34 PM (mXalO)

10 Perhaps the New Yorker is really interested in reversing a historic injustice. How about returning Manhattan to the Indians, you fucking pencil-necked palefaces?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (2cS/G)

11 7 $6.99? Good Lord. Do people actually buy that rag?
Posted by: huerfano at November 21, 2014 07:34 PM (bAGA/)



They just use it to put on their coffee tables to show how elite and with-it they are.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (CMkNk)

12 So ... it appears the House Repubs official reports says ... Obama did nothing wrong?

TheBlaze @theblaze
Final report released after a two year investigation into Benghazi: http://t.co/1y348SGndy

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (ZPrif)

13 Like the Left gives a shit about Indians.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (oFCZn)

14 Was this "Bring your seventh-grade daughters to work and let them choose your cover week"?

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (z899H)

15 The most ridiculous thing on that cover --

that they're charging $6.99 for that shitty rag.

Posted by: bird using The New Yorker as a cage liner at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (nlPax)

16 10 Perhaps the New Yorker is really interested in reversing a historic injustice. How about returning Manhattan to the Indians, you fucking pencil-necked palefaces?
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (2cS/G)

Go to the Hague and hassle the Dutch.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (CMkNk)

17 I'm not sure that the world can stand so much courage and bravery in a single magazine cover.

Posted by: Walsingham at November 21, 2014 07:36 PM (dCigj)

18 Native teens' suicide rate overwhelming, but let's focus on a football team name.

Posted by: ever at November 21, 2014 07:36 PM (hRV3r)

19 14 Was this "Bring your seventh-grade daughters to work and let them choose your cover week"?
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (z899H)



Maybe it was one of Limbaugh's relatives inspired by his "Rush Revere" book.

Heh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:36 PM (CMkNk)

20 And the " I think I want to kill myself" theory for New Yorker cartoons once again rings true!

Posted by: LizLem at November 21, 2014 07:36 PM (LiMbk)

21 justfuckingoutstanding. And I'm an Eagles fan.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 07:37 PM (WCnJW)

22 hmmm.

TheBlaze @theblaze
Final report released after a two year investigation into Benghazi: http://t.co/1y348SGndy

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 07:37 PM (ZPrif)

23 Woah? Is that Cherokee?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2014 07:38 PM (8FyP4)

24 Ridiculous! Everyone knows Thanksgiving Day is all about us.

Posted by: the Cowboys at November 21, 2014 07:38 PM (nlPax)

25 How.
How?!?

Posted by: Seneca Sharpton at November 21, 2014 07:39 PM (BKaug)

26 The Official Periodical of Butt Schnabbs everywhere.

Posted by: MostlyRight at November 21, 2014 07:39 PM (vk+/C)

27 They call that edgy?

I must be missing something....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 21, 2014 07:39 PM (PZ6/M)

28 I think in concert with that excellent cover President Obama should do and EO on Wednesday changing the name of the Redskins to "Native Americans" and Thanksgiving Day to "Progressive Day".

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein's brother at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (RZlSA)

29
They took the whole Indian nation,
Put us on this reservation . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (CMkNk)

30 That shit costs $7?

And liberals pay it?

LOL

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (Cu/XA)

31 Jeez, don't they know that the Pilgrims only had black and white TV? Those guys are D-U-M, dumb.

Posted by: Joe Biden, Who Was There at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (8XFab)

32 Meh, who really gives a fvck what they print.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving rope and a tree at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (baiNQ)

33 The Settlers bought Manhattan for $24 in beads, and a 50 inch Toshiba LED TV.

Fact.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (RzZOc)

34 12 So ... it appears the House Repubs official reports says ... Obama did nothing wrong?

TheBlaze @theblaze
Final report released after a two year investigation into Benghazi: http://t.co/1y348SGndy
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (ZPrif)


Election is over and they got their jobs back. They can stop pretending to actually give a shit about anything other than their own personal graft.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (z/Ubi)

35 12 So ... it appears the House Repubs official reports says ... Obama did nothing wrong?

Administrative fecklessness is not a criminal offense, unfortunately. if it was Obama would be in jail for life, no parole.

Posted by: LizLem at November 21, 2014 07:41 PM (LiMbk)

36 ...Took away our way of life,
Tomahawk and the bowie knife...

Posted by: Paleface rock group at November 21, 2014 07:41 PM (BKaug)

37 30 That shit costs $7?

And liberals pay it?

LOL
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (Cu/XA)


And it's got no pictures.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:41 PM (CMkNk)

38 They can't even give it a rest for Thanksgiving.

But...but...
Political correctness is more important than observing a Day of Thanks!

Posted by: wheatie at November 21, 2014 07:41 PM (GHmmM)

39 I must be missing something....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

You're missing the "head up one's own ass" smugness that New Yorker readers wallow in daily.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at November 21, 2014 07:41 PM (V70Ne)

40 I must be more tired than I thought, I read that sign as GO FORESKINS.

Posted by: Decaf at November 21, 2014 07:42 PM (YahXk)

41 33 The Settlers bought Manhattan for $24 in beads, and a 50 inch Toshiba LED TV.

Fact.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (RzZOc)


Beads, but no lube.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:42 PM (CMkNk)

42 They don't even leave their bubble for Freakin' Turkey Day?

Posted by: JDub (was BunkerintheBurbs) at November 21, 2014 07:42 PM (X3xYu)

43 Next time a statist tells you how good it could be. You say,weak people like you can side with the state. I and my brothers ans sisters will live on our own wits.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 07:42 PM (WCnJW)

44 40 I must be more tired than I thought, I read that sign as GO FORESKINS.
Posted by: Decaf at November 21, 2014 07:42 PM (YahXk)


That's the Jewish tribe. Or not. That would be the Clippers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (CMkNk)

45 Thanksgiving is really about football, is that the subliminal message here?

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (CnIq4)

46 Word on the street is Barry Sotero has offered two suggestions to the NFL's Washington franchise for alternate names:

#WashingtonFruitpickers
#WashingtonBedmakers

We'll see what happens.

Posted by: Fringe at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (oWl4T)

47 What a bunch of dickbags.

It's not edgy, or deep, it's crass.

It's garbage.

It's like a Doonsbury dipped in Ted Ralls asshole.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (RQmVC)

48 The Puritans got a shock
When they landed on Plymouth Rock

Posted by: Paleface Cole Porter at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (BKaug)

49
Actually, the team is The Nads. GO NADS!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (CMkNk)

50 I'm ashamed to admit that my hometown was purchased for a dozen coins and the promise of two winter coats and enough cloth to make four blankets. I still say the Brits got ripped off.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:44 PM (2cS/G)

51 "They took the whole Indian nation,
Put us on this reservation . . . "

Mark Lindsay?

Posted by: Decaf at November 21, 2014 07:44 PM (YahXk)

52 The one in the middle is Warrens ' second cousin .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 21, 2014 07:44 PM (HkkyM)

53
That actually seems like a good cover for Thanksgiving that could have been done a generation ago even, its 180 degrees from what they think it is.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk, now with more picante at November 21, 2014 07:45 PM (1nB6R)

54 I don't get it.

Posted by: Rudolph the Depressed at November 21, 2014 07:45 PM (CwhAL)

55 New Yorker. I miss the Liebling days when they had more taste, humor, and sense.

Posted by: Feh at November 21, 2014 07:45 PM (g/zj9)

56 Well, at least they got it right with the Pilgrim woman serving the guys their beers.

Posted by: ducking and running at November 21, 2014 07:45 PM (nlPax)

57 48 The Puritans got a shock
When they landed on Plymouth Rock
Posted by: Paleface Cole Porter at November 21, 2014 07:43 PM (BKaug)

Outlandish was Standish,
When he schtupped Priscilla's knish . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:45 PM (CMkNk)

58 51 "They took the whole Indian nation,
Put us on this reservation . . . "

Mark Lindsay?
Posted by: Decaf at November 21, 2014 07:44 PM (YahXk)

Give that man a kewpie doll!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:46 PM (CMkNk)

59 The indians look pissed. They're saying, "All you have is Budweiser"?

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 07:46 PM (jkeQO)

60 They are all gruber to me. Obamagruber Clintongruber Bidengruber
Pelosigruber and all the rest.

Posted by: jc at November 21, 2014 07:46 PM (i8c5b)

61 Friggin' haole racists.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at November 21, 2014 07:47 PM (wAQA5)

62 "Here, Cochise. Have a beer. Whatcha got in the pipe"
-Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 21, 2014 07:34 PM (mXalO)

Heep Big Sensimilla.

Mmmmm ...Firewater taste less filing than normal.

Posted by: Cochise at November 21, 2014 07:47 PM (16bOT)

63 I didn`t know it was still in print?

Posted by: tbd at November 21, 2014 07:47 PM (Pan7b)

64
The guy in the back looks like Kamehameha. Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:47 PM (CMkNk)

65 Hope the Indians brought their shine boxes.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 21, 2014 07:47 PM (S0A/C)

66 So incredibly dumb.





Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (A98Xu)

67

New Yorkers

ok

how many NA do they know? real ones, not Elizabeth Warren

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (zOTsN)

68
Breaking News: Running Bear loved Little White Dove.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk, now with more picante at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (1nB6R)

69 "Perhaps the New Yorker is really interested in reversing a historic injustice. How about returning Manhattan to the Indians, you [adconsciousedit]ing pencil-necked palefaces?
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (2cS/G)"

I have little tolerance for owners of real property who bitterly lament what "we" did to the First Nations. Apart from people living on the former Yaqui stomping grounds in Northern California, a telephone call to a university department of anthropology will tell you who to make the transfer deed out to.

Posted by: GHWBUSH at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (pYEaj)

70
remember F TROOP?

remember the HIKAWIS?

They LOVED the $$.

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (dL71y)

71 Drunken Indians is racisssss

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (CnIq4)

72 The joke is on The New Yorker. I'm betting the natives wouldn't have been offend.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (1vYi0)

73 68
Breaking News: Running Bear loved Little White Dove.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk, now with more picante at November 21, 2014 07:48 PM (1nB6R)


Didn't she do porn back in the 90's?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:49 PM (CMkNk)

74 Well, at least it's not that Salon article on vaginal knitting. Think I'm kidding? Look it up in Salon's archives. 90% of the Salonistas' comments were snide, mocking and disapproving.

The New Yorker charges 7 smackaroos for their magazine, Salon engages in raunchy clickbait geared toward teenage boys.

Posted by: Shark jumpers of the world, unite! at November 21, 2014 07:49 PM (BKaug)

75 It's a slice of life.

Posted by: bruce at November 21, 2014 07:49 PM (9BLkP)

76 Indians. This was back when Europeans had balls.

Posted by: Feh at November 21, 2014 07:49 PM (g/zj9)

77
Sort of reminds me of the time they did that cover with SCOAMF and Wookie dressed as hippie radicals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (CMkNk)

78

what's next for New Yorker, an edgy Kwanza cover?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (dL71y)

79 where are the NA women in that picture!??!!?

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (zOTsN)

80 Welcome neighbors. Cousin Hester brought her scrumptious sweet potato casserole and her husband Ashton brought some smallpox infested blankets. Make yourselves at home.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (NeFrd)

81 Does the New Yorker have high cheek bones?

Posted by: tbd at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (Pan7b)

82 It doesn't bother me. I don't even think it's a shot at the Redskins team name but just tying football to your version of Thanksgiving. (Unless there's an article inside crapping on the racist team name.)

Posted by: andycanuck at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (vHjbk)

83 Injuns should scalp 'em, rape the wahine, and steal the turkey.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (wAQA5)

84 Is that transgressive or something?

Posted by: blaster at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (Rx8ML)

85 Manhatten needs to change its name

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (zOTsN)

86 I think the only place I've actually seen The New Yorker was my doctor's office. Or was it my dentist? I

Posted by: tu3031 at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (S0A/C)

87 79 where are the NA women in that picture!??!!?
Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (zOTsN)


In burqas, back at the teepee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (CMkNk)

88 I'm thinking the Pilgrims did not celebrate Thanksgiving with a 30 lb. Butterball.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (NeFrd)

89 Letters to the Editor will be interesting

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (l1zOH)

90 I saw Little White Dove "open" for Running Bear.

Posted by: Ms. Cheap Gag at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (BKaug)

91 I thought Raiders fans did took the cake for the whole game day dress up thing but those Redskins fans are hard core.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (g1DWB)

92 85 Manhatten needs to change its name
Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (zOTsN)


Pliskin-land.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (CMkNk)

93 Very brave to run this shit in New York. Almost as brave as mocking Trotsky in Moscow circa 1938

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (AVEe1)

94 Wow that's boring.

Posted by: alexthechick - Do not doubt my commitment to Jazz Hands at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (IrByp)

95 They make of the Redskins because otherwise they would have to own up to the Jets.

Posted by: blaster at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (Rx8ML)

96 They make of the Redskins because otherwise they would have to own up to the Jets.

Posted by: blaster at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (Rx8ML)

97 It's funny. I have many relationships with Chippewa Indians in the '70's in Northern Wisco. Anyway, we played city league football and softball, and formed a certain brotherhood.

We partied together and worked together. On sunday during a Packers/Redskins game, they were total Redskins fans.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (WCnJW)

98 there was a beautiful New Yorker cover after 9/11, where all the kids are trick or treating and are dressed up as firefighters or cops...was really beautiful and touching. That they think this crude art style and dumb message is worthy of a cover shows how completely useless they have become, if you assume they were useful to begin with.

Posted by: LizLem at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (LiMbk)

99 Heh. "Running Bear".

If the last thread is any indicator, someone is about to say Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenies Yellow Polka Dot Bikini.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (Ze9kt)

100 This cover is just dumb.

Did y'all read twitchy last night? There was a thread about people objecting to Obama calling the illegal aliens fruit-pickers and bedmakers and somebody suggested that the Redskins should change their name to the Fruit-Pickers.

Posted by: biancaneve at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (6Turu)

101 Let my people dine!

Posted by: Lizzy Warren at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (mXalO)

102 Liker beer. Enjoy football. HDTV seems heep big sweetness.

No problem with Redskins.

Who has honey-mustard wings?

Posted by: Techumseh at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (16bOT)

103 86 I think the only place I've actually seen The New Yorker was my doctor's office. Or was it my dentist? I
Posted by: tu3031 at November 21, 2014 07:51 PM (S0A/C)


That and Boy's Life and Highlights.

Harry Reid was in the centerfold, like Burt Reynolds in Playgirl.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (CMkNk)

104 That has to be one of the stupidest fucking things I've seen in the new millennium.

The big screen should be showing an episode of "Ow, My Balls!"

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2014 07:53 PM (dVmLD)

105 That Darius III? What a LOSER!

Posted by: some really edgy courtier in Babylon, 329 BC at November 21, 2014 07:53 PM (AVEe1)

106 Pelosigruber and all the rest.
Posted by: jc
----------------

It's Grubers, all the way down.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 07:53 PM (l1zOH)

107

remember TONTO?

he spoke English like a person with brain damage

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 21, 2014 07:53 PM (dL71y)

108 If I was the Redskins organization, I'd Sioux.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 07:53 PM (mx5oN)

109 I think you all missed the point of the cover. The focus is supposed to be on the gay embrace about to occur between number 19 and the white headdress guy.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (z27Ny)

110 Indians (feather not dot) have it a lot better in the USA than they do in Mexico. They need to get over it. Like amnesty it is here to stay.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (WNERA)

111 94 Wow that's boring.

Posted by: alexthechick - Do not doubt my commitment to Jazz Hands at November 21, 2014 07:52 PM (IrByp)



It *is* the New Yorker.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

112 Right, and Indians were disease-free, peace-loving, dope-smoking geniuses. Why, they invented science, and counterpoint, navigated the seas, and mastered all kinds of art, philosophy, etc.

rolls eyes

We're way past done with the noble savage bullshit.

Posted by: Feh at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (g/zj9)

113 107

remember TONTO?

he spoke English like a person with brain damage
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 21, 2014 07:53 PM (dL71y)


That makes him sound like Lord Olivier compared to SCOAMF or Pelousy.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (CMkNk)

114
The indians look pissed. They're saying, "All you have is Budweiser"?
Posted by: Soona
.............
LOL bruddah. Need get some silver bullets, lidat.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (wAQA5)

115 Why do you ask, Two Dogs Fucking?

Posted by: Chief Thundercloud at November 21, 2014 07:54 PM (mx5oN)

116 Look..., this is a joke, right?
I mean, I'm slow on the uptake, but joke..., has to be.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (l1zOH)

117 why are they making the Pilgrim woman serve food!!:!:111;;

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (zOTsN)

118 Where are the smallpox infested blankets?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (nFdGS)

119 Completely and utterly wrong.

Where's the scalping, kidnapping, warring, etc?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (GEICT)

120
Actually, CAIR will sue the publishers since everyone knows MUSLIMS discovered America.

Erdogan said so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (CMkNk)

121 Pelosigruber and all the rest.
Posted by: jc

I knew it, I'm surrounded by Grubers.
[lowers face mask.]
Keep firing, Grubers!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (V70Ne)

122 118 Where are the smallpox infested blankets?
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (nFdGS)


Waiting in the FEMA camp trailers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (CMkNk)

123 So why is the Redskins get so much grief about their name and the Chiefs get a pass? Arrowhead Stadium? How microaggressive is that?

Dan Snyder should have smallpox-infested blanket giveaway day when the Cowboys come to town.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (ufrZ6)

124 As a Native American I'm insulted that they've depicted us dressed like that. It's like we never fucking heard of a jersey? And we'd show up to a party without beer? Or grub?

So we're a bunch of half naked blanket wearing leeches, is that it New Yawkah!

Assholes. I'm calling the ACLU.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (sH832)

125 Where's the turduckhen?

Posted by: John Madden at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (m/Gc2)

126 No. Please.
I didn't put that "s" on weenie.
Aha!!! Caught ya that time auto correct.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (Ze9kt)

127 Whatz up everyone? Just got home from dinner and saw this: Wow.. Excellent job WFB.. cuts to the bone http://freebeacon.com/politics/an-imperial-presidency/

Posted by: Yip at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (84SRe)

128 Larry, Curly and Geronimoe

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (NeFrd)

129 and whats with the fancy colored clothes the NA are wearing?

are they from the tribe known as The Village People?

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (zOTsN)

130 119 Completely and utterly wrong.

Where's the scalping, kidnapping, warring, etc?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 07:55 PM (GEICT)

Torture, rape, cannibalism...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 07:56 PM (mx5oN)

131 remember TONTO?
----------------
Annnnd here we go... Tonto, Tarzan, and Frankenstein

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (l1zOH)

132 *tap tap tap*

Lemme tell you about those Aztecs. Any Aztecs in here? I mean, apart from the help. [rimshot]

Man, those Aztecs were SO weird . . .

Posted by: Jose Enriquez, the funniest comic in Cuba, on tour in Mexico 1550 AD at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (AVEe1)

133
They should have had Richard Harris suspended by hawk talons imbedded in his pecs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (CMkNk)

134 What is the message anyway? I really don't get it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (Cu/XA)

135 >>Kam Fong as Chin Ho

hahahahahah. I can't believe I'm not the only one that found that funny.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (g1DWB)

136 At 3-7 I'll bet the Indians are pissed at the name.

Posted by: DaveA at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (DL2i+)

137 cool, now we know where Wendy Davis' ad team ended up

Posted by: runner at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (yrk2K)

138
remember the Injun in ONE FLEW OVER CUKOOS NEST?

remember he said, "MMM, JUICY FRUIT"?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (dL71y)

139 Constanza Defense,
I saw that & don't believe it for a minute. Did they speak with survivors of attack that have never spoken about it?

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (sj3Ax)

140 I love the cartoons in the New Yorker. They are just so funny. But you have to be really really smart (almost genius) to get the humor.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (jkeQO)

141 Grab a smallpox blanket, Massasoit, and I'll get you a beer.

Posted by: John Alden at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (yQ8B4)

142 We were talking astronomy when those Puritan homos were still wearing togas.

/Al Sharp-tonto

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (NeFrd)

143
I'm thinking the Pilgrims did not celebrate Thanksgiving with a 30 lb. Butterball.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man
....................
No? Hope they least get some Spam.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (wAQA5)

144 The Indians who lived where I grew up were shunned by other Indians. Literally the outcasts. Murdered, tortured and/or ate every white settler they saw until their own kind wiped them out.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (2cS/G)

145 135 >>Kam Fong as Chin Ho

hahahahahah. I can't believe I'm not the only one that found that funny.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 07:57 PM (g1DWB)


Zulu as Kono

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (CMkNk)

146
Bruce McCall. Excellent illustrator, but went for the easy joke.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (kdS6q)

147 killing and cutting off the head of ones enemies

the capture, rape and forced marriage of the vanquished peoples women

the killing of all males and male children

why

they were the first ISIS

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 07:59 PM (zOTsN)

148 Which one is the tranny?

Posted by: Y.M.C.A. at November 21, 2014 07:59 PM (BKaug)

149 Tonto just pawn in game of life.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 07:59 PM (NeFrd)

150 Muldoon - You got an honorable mention last thread..., something about Car 54..

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 07:59 PM (l1zOH)

151 I'm ashamed to say I once had a NYer subscription. We all make foolish mistakes in our youth.

Hell I once sent John McCain money as well.....in 2000.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (Cu/XA)

152
I love the cartoons in the New Yorker. They are just so funny. But you have to be really really smart (almost genius) to get the humor.
Posted by: Soona
.......................................
Oh ha ha I know. I get them and laugh, I do. Ha ha.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (wAQA5)

153 150 Muldoon - You got an honorable mention last thread..., something about Car 54..
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 07:59 PM (l1zOH)


Ooh! Ooh!

- - Toody

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (CMkNk)

154 I hope the New Yorker paid the NFL a licensing fee for the commercial use of its team name.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (yQ8B4)

155 Murdered, tortured and/or ate every white settler they saw until their own kind wiped them out.
Posted by: Lincolntf
---------

Lumbee's? Pembrokes?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (l1zOH)

156 I just don't think they had a lot of dyed clothes

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (zOTsN)

157 Apache! Jump on it! Jump on it Jump on it!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 08:01 PM (mx5oN)

158 60 They are all gruber to me. Obamagruber Clintongruber Bidengruber
Pelosigruber and all the rest.


I think we have a new term. Gruber = Liar . As in " Don't Gruber to me you dirty rotten no good so and so"

Posted by: Mr. Natural at November 21, 2014 08:01 PM (/pOl7)

159 Muldoon - You got an honorable mention last thread..., something about Car 54..


****


Cool, I can now go to my grave knowing my legacy is secure.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:01 PM (NeFrd)

160 151 I'm ashamed to say I once had a NYer subscription. We all make foolish mistakes in our youth.

Hell I once sent John McCain money as well.....in 2000.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (Cu/XA)



Never had the New Yorker. No pictures. But I did give McStains a few shekels, mostly because of Sarah Palin so that's my dispensation.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:01 PM (CMkNk)

161 Tatnuck

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:02 PM (2cS/G)

162 Sort of like a Clymer.

Posted by: Mr. Natural at November 21, 2014 08:02 PM (/pOl7)

163 I'm ashamed to say I once had a NYer subscription.
-------------

That's nothing, I had a subscription to Psychology Today...., until I realized that the articles were about ME.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 08:02 PM (l1zOH)

164 Lumbee's? Pembrokes?

Stuckey's, Applebee's.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 21, 2014 08:02 PM (sH832)

165 Wamp, wamp WAMPANOAG!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (yQ8B4)

166 >>>Where are the smallpox infested blankets?<<<



We learned not to have Thanksgiving with the Steeler fans and their Terrible Towels.

Posted by: Indians at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (nlPax)

167 I saw Smallpox Infested Blankets open for Foghat in '77. They were a cover band.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (8FyP4)

168 I hope the New Yorker paid the NFL a licensing fee for the commercial use of its team name.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:00 PM (yQ8B4)


----------------------------------------


Good point. Not only the team name but the team logo.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (jkeQO)

169 This is interesting...

A bill is being discussed in Utah that would ban negotiations with the Federal government over water for data collection locations. Obviously, the intent is to shut down the NSA's data collection center in that state. It wouldn't do anything until 2021 (when the current water agreement expires), but still...

http://tinyurl.com/pgxcwzj

Posted by: junior at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (UWFpX)

170 It's groobers all the way down.

Posted by: Political Theorist Interpreter at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (BKaug)

171 78 what's next for New Yorker, an edgy Kwanza cover?
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 21, 2014 07:50 PM (dL71y)


My late mother referred to it as "schvanza."

She was quite a kidder.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (CMkNk)

172 So ... it appears the House Repubs official reports says ... Obama did nothing wrong?

So, getting your ambassador killed in a foreign city is just par for the course. Happens all the time. No one screwed up.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (rwI+c)

173 Elizabeth Warren claims 1/32nd heritage into the John Riggins Ring of Fame exhibit...!

Posted by: tbd at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (Pan7b)

174 167 I saw Smallpox Infested Blankets open for Foghat in '77. They were a cover band.
Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (8FyP4)


Cover band. ISWYD

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (CMkNk)

175 It is after 5 o'clock do you know where your drinks are?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (WNERA)

176 And now, in order to become a blood brother redskin, you have to be suspended from your nutzack for 12 hours. Or, you have to watch a speech by ubama. Which do you choose, white-eyes? Nutzack? Good, nutzack it is.

Posted by: Erowmero at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (go5uR)

177 I saw Smallpox Infested Blankets open for Foghat in '77. They were a cover band.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (8FyP4)


****


The whole audience broke out in song.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (NeFrd)

178 patent office says they don't have to

member

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (zOTsN)

179 I say there, chap, could you pass me the Worcestershire sauce?

Posted by: Squanto at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (yQ8B4)

180 It wouldn't do anything until 2021 (when the current water agreement expires), but still...

A really stupid and futile gesture being done on somebody's part, again

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (AVEe1)

181 Is Mitch McConnell drugged? There's a video of him at Conservative Review & he's got no emotion in his voice when talking about TFG .

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (sj3Ax)

182 173 Elizabeth Warren claims 1/32nd heritage into the John Riggins Ring of Fame exhibit...!
Posted by: tbd at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (Pan7b)


Mary Landrieu has the piggy nose.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:05 PM (CMkNk)

183 144 The Indians who lived where I grew up were shunned by other Indians. Literally the outcasts. Murdered, tortured and/or ate every white settler they saw until their own kind wiped them out.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:58 PM (2cS/G)


Where was that?

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:05 PM (sdi6R)

184 It is after 5 o'clock do you know where your drinks are?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (WNERA)



Unfortunately still in the bottle. Youngest Son has his goil over tonight and I have to take her back home later on, so I have to stay sober. What a revoltin' development this is...

Later on I'm going out and about to see a blues band, so I'll be drink-less until I get home from that.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (6fyGz)

185 Whazzat? Did you say Utes?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (NeFrd)

186 Where are the smallpox infested blankets?


--------

sorry but we only have syphilis-infected paper towels.

Posted by: John Alden at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (yQ8B4)

187 Mary Landrieu has the piggy nose.

Mary Landrieu IS the piggy nose!

Posted by: tbd at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (Pan7b)

188 No way states can shut down water to Fed facilities they don't like.

Like a left-wing state shutting down water to a military base during an unpopular war.

Can't imagine the Feds don't have authority to block that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (ZPrif)

189 For historical accuracy, the smallpox blanket incident was unintentional. The soldiers couldn't have possibly known the blankets were infected because Pasteur's work confirming the germ theory of disease was still about a decade out. At the time, most people thought you got smallpox from contaminated water.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (V70Ne)

190 Worcester, MA. The Tatnuck "band". I went to Tatnuck School, lived in Tatnuck Square, we're probably the only people to ever hear of them. Name Anglicized from something like Asessakak.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:07 PM (2cS/G)

191 Evidently "Edgy" = "Happy Christians being nice and generous."

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 21, 2014 08:07 PM (vmltA)

192
"Is Mitch McConnell drugged? There's a video of him at Conservative
Review he's got no emotion in his voice when talking about TFG.
"
-Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 08:04 PM (sj3Ax)

He is 31/32 Turtle and 1/32 Dramamine.

Posted by: Techumseh at November 21, 2014 08:07 PM (16bOT)

193 187 Mary Landrieu has the piggy nose.

Mary Landrieu IS the piggy nose!
Posted by: tbd at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (Pan7b)


Send her to Provence to dig for truffles.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:07 PM (CMkNk)

194 I saw Smallpox Infested Blankets open for Foghat in '77. They were a cover band.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 21, 2014 08:03 PM (8FyP4)


****

The concert was sold out, luckily there were some guys scalping tickets out front.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:07 PM (NeFrd)

195 *shakes-off Tribal Leader sock*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (16bOT)

196 Since when did the Indians of North America have dyed and woven cloth? Was it cotton? Wool? Linen? I thought they wore buckskin. They were a stone age people, didn't smelt metal either if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: How? at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (BKaug)

197 192 He is 31/32 Turtle and 1/32 Dramamine.

Posted by: Techumseh at November 21, 2014 08:07 PM (16bOT)


He reminds me of the Cecil Turtle in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Only horrible.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (CMkNk)

198 Send her to Provence to dig for truffles.



LOLOLOL
Now I have a keyboard to clean up.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (WNERA)

199 There are no recorded instances of the smallpox blanket deal. Literally zero.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (ZPrif)

200 Germ theory of disease hadn't been discovered yet either.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:09 PM (ZPrif)

201 @188 No way states can shut down water to Fed facilities they don't like.
-----------------

Based on the article, the Feds got their water by negotiating with one of the local municipalities. The facility apparently requires a lot of water (and according to the article, the Feds are avoiding questions about just how much), and the bill basically says that governmental organizations in the state can't negotiate for the facility. As there's already an agreement in place that lasts until 2021, it wouldn't do anything until then.

I would imagine that most military bases have their own water source arrangements that don't involve a nearby city.

Posted by: junior at November 21, 2014 08:09 PM (UWFpX)

202 My late mother referred to it as "schvanza."
-------
I know, right? Suddenly out of the clear blue, here comes an AA holiday that is just a little bit better and older than Chanukah? I mean, here's a holiday that has been hidden in history longer than the location of the Ark and nobody knew about it for thousands of years? It took them until the 1970's to "suddenly" rediscover it? Dude, I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. Sheesh.

Posted by: Old Blue - No longer freezing his butt off in CO at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (vVSOO)

203 The New Yorker...Yawn....

Posted by: Jen at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (msAGT)

204
So here's the message I got from the picture:
The injuns brought the peace pipe but fat #19 is bogarting a loner.

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (wAQA5)

205 I don't see on the cover a pussy New Yorker journalist sobbing in the corner? Totally unbelievable.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (1vYi0)

206 They were a stone age people, didn't smelt metal either if I'm not mistaken.

The Aztecs were chalcolithic - copper-smelting - and their Tarascan nighbours were alloying at least arsenical bronzes if not tin.

The Incas were full-on Bronze Age IIRC.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (AVEe1)

207 *neighbours

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (AVEe1)

208 Black man speak with forked tongue.

Posted by: Highcheeks Wilson at November 21, 2014 08:11 PM (l1zOH)

209 I'll help you further your career in the New World if you just suck on this turkey baster. Here, take this pill.

Posted by: Chief Cosby of the Junkyard Band at November 21, 2014 08:11 PM (dVmLD)

210 Posted by: Old Blue - No longer freezing his butt off in CO at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (vVSOO)

I like it. I celebrate it.

Posted by: Jim Brown in that Stupid Fucking Hat at November 21, 2014 08:11 PM (16bOT)

211 I would imagine that most military bases have their own water source arrangements that don't involve a nearby city.
Posted by: junior at November 21, 2014 08:09 PM (UWFpX)


---------------------------------------


Wouldn't doubt it. I know they grow their own lima bean crops.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 08:11 PM (jkeQO)

212 The New Yorker - catering to the sensibilities of those who read The New Yorker.


A thought: An employer has before him a person with an Obama workpaper. Should that employer hire this person? Or should that employer think "What are the statute of limitations on doing this considering Obama's declared non-enforcement of this law does not actually remove the laws I have to follow from the books? Is the cost of hiring this person worth being under-bussed?"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Served. at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (4RSqo)

213 Unfortunately still in the bottle. Youngest Son has his goil over tonight and I have to take her back home later on, so I have to stay sober. What a revoltin' development this is...

Later on I'm going out and about to see a blues band, so I'll be drink-less until I get home from that.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2014 08:06 PM (6fyGz)



Gee, that's just a shame. *drinks*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (GEICT)

214 202 Posted by: Old Blue - No longer freezing his butt off in CO at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (vVSOO)

It was created in like 1966 or 67 by some Afro-American studies professor somewhere.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (CMkNk)

215 Germ theory of disease hadn't been discovered yet either.

I had the notion that the Mongols had figured out the rudiments.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (AVEe1)

216 Hihowarya, hihowarya, hihowarya.

Posted by: Heep big smokim turkey at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (1vYi0)

217 #189 They didn't need a germ theory to know about contagion. The ancients used to throw the corpses of plague victims over the wall into towns under siege in an early form of bio warfare.
And in the Dark Ages, houses of plague victims were quarantined with a large red cross painted on the door. People in all eras knew to steer clear of the plague-stricken or effects belonging to them.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (BKaug)

218 I think the Indians biggest mistake was not welcoming the Vikings. Iron Age FTW.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (rwI+c)

219 Is that #19 Sonny Jergenson or Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:13 PM (NeFrd)

220 200 Germ theory of disease hadn't been discovered yet either.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:09 PM (ZPrif)




Comrade, you're negating the narrative with facts. Denounce yourself.

For my part, I love earnest liberal teachers who characterize Columbus as being so stupid that he called the natives "Indians" because he thought he'd arrived in India, notwithstanding that at that time the country was called "Hindustan," and no one had ever heard the name "India."

Nevertheless, Columbus was the idiot, the Stone Age natives running around in jock straps were the geniuses. Somehow no ever points out that the dumb ass Columbus successfully crossed the ocean, whereas the brilliant natives had at most toodled around a bit in canoes.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:14 PM (oKE6c)

221 Dude, that is BOLD!!

Charging $6.99 for that vacuous tripe . . . man, but they got a set on them!

Posted by: Adjoran at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (QIQ6j)

222 #206 I was speaking of the North American Indians as to metal. I believe that was mentioned in my comment. I don't think the Pilgrims landed in Peru or the Yucatan.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (BKaug)

223 "I think the Indians biggest mistake was not welcoming the Vikings."
-Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (rwI+c)

Did the Vikings ever allow themselves to be welcomed?

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (16bOT)

224 199 There are no recorded instances of the smallpox blanket deal. Literally zero.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (ZPrif)

200 Germ theory of disease hadn't been discovered yet either.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:09 PM (ZPrif)



Exactly. It seems to be an urban legend.

People at the time knew it was contagious, though, and I could allow for the possibility that they handed out blankets from infected people to uninfected ones in the hope they would become infected, without understanding why.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (sdi6R)

225 I think the Indians biggest mistake was not welcoming the Vikings. Iron Age FTW.

Oh man, imagine if the Little Ice Age had held off for a century later...

Viking-Mohawk-Inuit hybrids suddenly conquering a depopulated Iceland and using that as a base to raid England and western France. Yikes!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (AVEe1)

226 What Prince Ludwig the Indestructible stated in 189 is right about them blankets and disease transmission. I had that very argument with a friend at the bar last week when he rattled that crap off. I said they had NO idea how microorganisms worked or how contagious diseases were transmitted back in the day. Hell, they didn't know Malaria was transmitted by mosquitoes UNTIL freaking 1897!

Posted by: Yip at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (84SRe)

227 218 I think the Indians biggest mistake was not welcoming the Vikings. Iron Age FTW.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (rwI+c


Scandis also had high cheek bones, so it would've been a wash.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (CMkNk)

228 Nevertheless, Columbus was the idiot, the Stone Age natives running around in jock straps were the geniuses. Somehow no ever points out that the dumb ass Columbus successfully crossed the ocean, whereas the brilliant natives had at most toodled around a bit in canoes.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:14 PM (oKE6c)


-------------------------------------


The white man also had thundersticks.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (jkeQO)

229 Something that I've thought about. Ancient cultures in the Mediterranean invented the wheel thousands of years ago and changed their cultures radically. Native American cultures in the Americas never invented the wheel, that I know of, and they were still for the most part hunter/gatherers when the Europeans came to America. Had that been different, how would have history changed?

Posted by: Old Blue - No longer freezing his butt off in CO at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (vVSOO)

230

Santa Claus has come and gone, but don't be sad and blue
'Cause Kwanzaa Timmy's comin', and soon you'll be comin', too
Tell that fat old bearded dude he's livin' in the past, he
Only knows who's bad or good, but I know who's been nasty

My gifts to you symbolize our African unity
A mkeka mat, some corn, some wine, and a booty full of me!
Kwanzaa was founded by Dr. Maulan [actually Maulana] Karenga
And like the spirit of the holiday, I plan to get up all in ya!

Posted by: Kwanzaa Timmy at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (rwI+c)

231 218 I think the Indians biggest mistake was not welcoming the Vikings. Iron Age FTW.

Biggest mistakes by the Indians:
#1. Rampant inbreeding.
#2. Failure to invent wheel.
#3. Establishing franchise in Cleveland.

Posted by: wooga at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (YAVyP)

232 Fun Fact: The Iroquois invented the foam finger.



Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (NeFrd)

233
Indians and Vikings. So, hybrid football-baseball?

That's like a biathlon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (CMkNk)

234 Gee, that's just a shame. *drinks*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:12 PM (GEICT)


You suck, and I hate you.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (6fyGz)

235 Somehow no ever points out that the dumb ass
Columbus successfully crossed the ocean, whereas the brilliant natives
had at most toodled around a bit in canoes.


Posted by: Jay Guevara


Well, I think you have to give the Polynesians some credit. I mean, they made it all the way to freaking Easter Island in boats made from logs. Granted, they had atrocious taste in sculpture.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (4nR9/)

236 Did the Vikings ever allow themselves to be welcomed?

Sometimes.

Posted by: the Byzantines at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (AVEe1)

237 232 Fun Fact: The Iroquois invented the foam finger.



Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (NeFrd)


Ha. I do not know why, but that's making me laugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (CMkNk)

238 The syphilis blankets is a myth, a myth used to sell a lie -- that the Evil White Man committed Genocide against the amerindians.

There was no genocide. That was a great tragedy of historic proportions when the eurasian diseases tore through the amerindian populations.

Evil White Man didn't commit genocide against the amerindians anymore than the Chinese committed genocide against the Evil White Man when the plague (imported from China) killed off 1/3rd of Europe.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (ZPrif)

239 I know, right? Suddenly out of the clear blue, here
comes an AA holiday that is just a little bit better and older than
Chanukah? I mean, here's a holiday that has been hidden in history
longer than the location of the Ark and nobody knew about it for
thousands of years? It took them until the 1970's to "suddenly"
rediscover it? Dude, I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last
night. Sheesh.


Posted by: Old Blue - No longer freezing his butt off in CO at November 21, 2014 08:10 PM (vVSOO)

They found an ancient manuscript describing "kwanzaa." Oh, wait, Africans never invented writing. Never mind.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:18 PM (oKE6c)

240 >>I think the Indians biggest mistake was not welcoming the Vikings

Dude. The Indians are a baseball team. The Vikings are a football team.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 08:18 PM (g1DWB)

241 231 #3. Establishing franchise in Cleveland.
Posted by: wooga at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (YAVyP)


First in war, first in peace, and last to sober up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:18 PM (CMkNk)

242 Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller

As I said in the previous comment, the theory at the time was that smallpox was transmitted by contaminated water. If the soldiers had given them water they thought was infected, then the apocryphal might have legs, but yeah no.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at November 21, 2014 08:18 PM (V70Ne)

243 You suck, and I hate you.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (6fyGz)



*looks at bottle of tequila*

*looks at you*

I can live with that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:18 PM (GEICT)

244 Native American cultures in the Americas never invented the wheel, that I know of...Had that been different, how would have history changed?


****

NASCAR would have had less of a southern white boy tradition?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (NeFrd)

245 "#3. Establishing franchise in Cleveland."
-Posted by: wooga at November 21, 2014 08:16 PM (YAVyP)

*HAH!* Credit where credit is due.

-Next year, Gadget. ...Next Year!

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (16bOT)

246 Edgy? That's not edgy. Edgy would be a naked Kim Kardashian trussed up like a turkey, with stuffing spilling out of her giant ass.


Shit, now I don't feel hungry anymore.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (7MWCL)

247
We brought a tin of great ganja to the dinner, and the palefaces were blown out of their wigs smoking dope and sipping wine.

Posted by: The Redskins at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (3/wAJ)

248 236 Did the Vikings ever allow themselves to be welcomed?

Sometimes.
Posted by: the Byzantines at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (AVEe1)


Spam spam spam spam, SPAM SPAM! Wonderful Spam!


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (CMkNk)

249 The white man also had thundersticks.
Posted by: Soona
-------------------

And beer.

Posted by: Highcheeks Wilson at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (l1zOH)

250 238 The syphilis blankets is a myth, a myth used to sell a lie -- that the Evil White Man committed Genocide against the amerindians.
There was no genocide. That was a great tragedy of historic proportions when the eurasian diseases tore through the amerindian populations.
Evil White Man didn't commit genocide against the amerindians anymore than the Chinese committed genocide against the Evil White Man when the plague (imported from China) killed off 1/3rd of Europe.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (ZPrif)



Same thing happened on a smaller scale in Hawaii. Isolated population, with precisely zero resistance to what among Caucasians are childhood diseases, and it's Aloha time.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (oKE6c)

251 Was the Evil White Man racist towards the amerindians when the spanish and portuguese conquistadors unknowingly brought over dozens of fatal diseases? Yep.

Of course, the Chinese were super racist towards the Evil White Man when the unknowingly gave them the plague, too.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (ZPrif)

252 196 Since when did the Indians of North America have dyed and woven cloth? Was it cotton? Wool? Linen? I thought they wore buckskin. They were a stone age people, didn't smelt metal either if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: How? at November 21, 2014 08:08 PM (BKaug)


They had agriculture, so they could grow crops that could be used to make fabric. Stone Age Europeans did that too.

From what I have read, William Penn, who founded Pennsylvania, considered the local Indians to be fully civilized and cultured people. He liked and respected them.

His sons were another story.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (sdi6R)

253 Old Blue - the native American peoples had the ingredients in various places, but the geography was against them.

Incas had the llama and the potato; couldn't get across the jungle. Caribs (and Polynesians!) had navigation; couldn't get through tropical doldrums. Maya had the beginnings of hieratic script but couldn't take it far out of the jungle. Aztecs had maize but, again, jungle and no boats.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (AVEe1)

254 You suck, and I hate you.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (6fyGz)


Should've told Cochran, no drinks but she's got a hot MILF momma.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (CMkNk)

255 "And beer."
-Posted by: Highcheeks Wilson at November 21, 2014 08:19 PM (l1zOH)

Beer wasn't "beer" back then. "Firewater", on the other hand...

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (16bOT)

256 bold

Posted by: Lauren Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (BPMYx)

257 Shit, now I don't feel hungry anymore.
Posted by: Alberta
----------------

Yeah. Now I gotta try to erase THAT image...

Posted by: Highcheeks Wilson at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (l1zOH)

258 Harrumph. And bourbon.
And in conclusion, Weller's Antique is almost - almost - as good as Pappy Van.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 21, 2014 08:21 PM (9tzvc)

259 \sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 08:21 PM (l1zOH)

260 @242 "apocryphal story".

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at November 21, 2014 08:21 PM (V70Ne)

261 Well, I think you have to give the Polynesians some
credit. I mean, they made it all the way to freaking Easter Island in
boats made from logs. Granted, they had atrocious taste in sculpture.


Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (4nR9/)

I do give them credit. I just can't forgive them for carving sculptures of John Kerry.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:21 PM (oKE6c)

262 "Is Mitch McConnell drugged? There's a video of him at Conservative Review & he's got no emotion in his voice when talking about TFG ."

As long as he doesn't claim Barack Obama is the bravest, kindest, best man I know, we should be okay.

Posted by: GHWBUSH at November 21, 2014 08:22 PM (pYEaj)

263 Genocide requires intent and specific actions.

If you get the flu and unwittingly give it to someone else and they get pneumonia and croak -- you haven't committed murder. Even if you hate that person. Even if you're glad they're dead. Even if you are a racist meanie.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:22 PM (ZPrif)

264 261 I do give them credit. I just can't forgive them for carving sculptures of John Kerry.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:21 PM (oKE6c)


Nailed it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:22 PM (CMkNk)

265 @231 Wooga.... bwhahaaa. dude.. almost made me drop my drink

Posted by: Yip at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (84SRe)

266 Should've told Cochran, no drinks but she's got a hot MILF momma.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (CMkNk)



Hotties only count if there are pics.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (GEICT)

267 252 196 Since when did the Indians of North America have dyed and woven
cloth? Was it cotton? Wool? Linen? I thought they wore buckskin.


No, there were two main branches of North American Indians, the Ray-Ons, and the Ny-Lons. Both, of course, looked down on the Pali-Es-Trs.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (4nR9/)

268 I lub you mann.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (rwI+c)

269
No thank you, this game does not interest us. Your flat screen will die, like you, this winter. We will take them beads.

Posted by: the indians at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (wAQA5)

270 Edistos, Wandos, and Erowmeros.

Posted by: Erowmero at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (go5uR)

271 What about the Fightin' Irish? I think it was Carlin who once said, "Why not just go ahead and call them the Drunken Small-Dicked Irish?"

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (BKaug)

272 Oh, wait, Africans never invented writing. Never mind./i]

The "kwanzaa" stuff is Swahili-influenced. East Africa had quite a few writing-systems, adopted from Egypt and Yemen, true, but at least maintained.

But west Africans claiming kwanzaa and other east-African achievements is like Brits claiming that we invented paper and gunpowder

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (AVEe1)

273 Average amerindian who died never even met an Evil White Man since disease traveled faster than the Evil White Man.

It's not clear how many died from the constant wave of diseases and how many died form starvation due to not being able to farm and hunt and stuff due to everybody being sick from the constant wave of disease.

My understanding is that even the common cold was lethal to amerindians at the time.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (ZPrif)

274 barrel

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (AVEe1)

275 266 Hotties only count if there are pics.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (GEICT)


There are lots to be had on the web.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (CMkNk)

276 Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:23 PM (4nR9/)

That wasn't even the "good" sort of terrible.

...Muldoon is shaking his head.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (16bOT)

277


found that the CIA and the military acted properly


Nobody really ever seemed to be pointing fingers at Defense or the CIA... Not being ready for a 9/11 attack was more of a state department thing... Re Hillary and her minions

Posted by: Ambassador Stephens at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (LoIJo)

278 I do give them credit. I just can't forgive them for carving sculptures of John Kerry.


Posted by: Jay Guevara


Oh, I always thought that was Jay Leno.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (4nR9/)

279 Petty stupid losers.

Posted by: Y-not, deluded loon at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (wlPue)

280 You don't know me ... you just think you know me .. but you don;t.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (rwI+c)

281 Oh yikes. I just heard on the radio that Western NY is predicted to have warmer temperatures and rain. You know what that means.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (sdi6R)

282 281 Oh yikes. I just heard on the radio that Western NY is predicted to have warmer temperatures and rain. You know what that means.
Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (sdi6R)


Surf's up!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (CMkNk)

283 264 261 I do give them credit. I just can't forgive them for carving sculptures of John Kerry.

****************
Ahem, Kerry? I think not.

Posted by: Andrea Mitchell at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (BKaug)

284 There are lots to be had on the web.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:24 PM (CMkNk)



Indeed.

But it's nice to occasionally see the actual thing. You know, in it's natural habitat. Without 47 hours of photoshopping.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (GEICT)

285 280 You don't know me ... you just think you know me .. but you don;t.
Posted by: John Boehner at November 21, 2014 08:25 PM (rwI+c)


Don't tell me what to do!
Don't tell me what to say!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (CMkNk)

286 Meanwhile the Evil White Man was even more racist to black Africans, yet Africa has a billion black people today despite being colonized by the Evil White Man.

The difference between the fate of Africa and the Americas primarily came down to disease.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (ZPrif)

287 Canal surfin'!

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (2cS/G)

288 American Indians came here across the land-bridge from Asia 20,000 years ago.

EVERYONE, out!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (Nqnyv)

289 Those Easter Island busts are actually monuments to me! To me?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (BKaug)

290 But it's nice to occasionally see the actual thing. You know, in it's natural habitat. Without 47 hours of photoshopping.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:26 PM (GEICT)


Most are pre-P'shopped for your convenience.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:27 PM (CMkNk)

291 Has anyone else found they're becoming more, well, tribal? I stopped by the grocery store after work today and there was a Hispanic family in front of me , talking away in Spanish, and I found myself looking at them quite coldly. Now, for all I know, those particular people could be quite nice and citizens who came here legally, but I still found myself thinking, "OK, is it going to be me or you?"

And it's shock to me to think like that. I grew up really believing in MLK's words about content of character and not color of skin. But then I found that so many minority people don't believe those words. They believe in skin color before character and they, and white liberals, are constantly telling me that being white is something shameful.

And I'm not ashamed of my race. In fact, like PJ O'Rourke, I think Western Civ in general and America in particular, despite some nasty glitches, is really pretty great. In fact, I think it's the best thing going on the planet. All this trying to shame me for what I am is backfiring.

Everyone else gets to be proud of their race but white pride automatically gets equated to some toothless goobers in bedsheets. And yet I wonder if on some level, whites as a whole are getting sick of this indoctrination that they're bad and evil. It really is another case of liberals trying to change human nature, because it isn't natural to think your own people and country suck.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:27 PM (+XMAD)

292 Those pilgrims were so green with their windmill powered flat screens and everything!

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 08:28 PM (wAQA5)

293 291
Has anyone else found they're becoming more, well, tribal?


It's the inevitable result of 50 years of racial politics, and dividing people into groups. It will not end well.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:29 PM (4nR9/)

294 It really is another case of liberals trying to change human nature, because it isn't natural to think your own people and country suck.
-----------------

Thus the importance of indoctrinating the young.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 08:29 PM (l1zOH)

295 This epic New Yorker cover depicts one of the seminole moments in American history.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:29 PM (NeFrd)

296 Those don't look like Budweisers on the waitresses tray but she has just the right amount for the 3 newcomers. That must be how it started.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 21, 2014 08:30 PM (OBv4I)

297 They believe in skin color before character


You've been reading election results again, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:30 PM (oKE6c)

298 Donna: twenty, or even ten, years ago your comment would result in your immediate banning or at least shunning from "polite" sites on the Right.

Nowadays? I think it's obvious, that no-one is going to look out for you but yours.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:31 PM (AVEe1)

299 Did the Vikings ever allow themselves to be welcomed?

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (16bOT)

The Vikings were not just fierce raiders whose only thought was rape, slaughter, pillage and burn. They were also sensitive souls who left enduring works of art such as their epic poems recounting how they would brave the harshest seas in their quests to rape, slaughter, pillage and burn.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Served. at November 21, 2014 08:31 PM (4RSqo)

300 @291 Right on, right on, right on. Now then, please pack a small bag and the van will be by later to take you to your camp.

Posted by: Yip at November 21, 2014 08:31 PM (84SRe)

301 Has anyone else found they're becoming more, well, tribal?


****

Donna of the plentiful ampersands, I know exactly what you mean. Yesterday it occurred to me that my wife and I have been re-defining our definition of the word "us". The boundaries are a lot more constrained.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:31 PM (NeFrd)

302 Did the Vikings ever allow themselves to be welcomed?


No. They came here with switches and shit.

Posted by: Adrian Peterson at November 21, 2014 08:32 PM (Dwehj)

303 Kinda' on topic . While turkey hunting in the Texas hill country I found a huge piece of flint that had been obviously worked on one side . I mean this thing was big , like half the size of a nerf football . I guessed it was a hand ax , my niece , who was into the amateur study of the comanches in that area , said it was probably a scraper for buffalo hides . It seemed way big for that purpose to me .
Any morons have any ideas . I wish I still had the piece , it was my best ever find of native artifacts . I gave it to my niece , cause I was a guest and I thought she'd appreciate it . It's probably gone now , though . Still cool .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 08:33 PM (Z+Mqb)

304 We could sit here and Chippeway at the New Yorker cover for many moons.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:33 PM (2cS/G)

305 -Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:27 PM (+XMAD)

When I was pressure-washing houses and decks-- a dude came to the door. He spoke no English and called down to his "Tio", (Uncle), that "Blanco", (Whitey) was at the door.

He didn't know that I spoke Spanish and got embarrassed after I told the guy that the electricity in the garage was turned-off.

We needed it to run the power-sprayer for the stain.

As I left, I looked at the dude, laughed and said: "Blanco" ...heh."

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:34 PM (16bOT)

306 People at the time knew it was contagious, though, and I could allow for the possibility that they handed out blankets from infected people to uninfected ones in the hope they would become infected, without understanding why.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:15 PM (sdi6R)

-------------------------------
See: Journal of William Trent and Letters exchanged between Henry Bouquet and Jeffrey Amherst

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 08:35 PM (z27Ny)

307 The more the Indian chief on the cover thinks he can get away with, the Mo He Can. In many ways, the story of Obama.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:35 PM (4nR9/)

308 We could sit here and Chippeway at the New Yorker cover for many moons.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:33 PM (2cS/G)


****

Oh, Lord- I hopi not.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:35 PM (NeFrd)

309 Ok, which one of you guys is saying mean things to lil ol' Davey on Twitter?

David Uberti @DavidUberti 20m
You don't know social engagement until you start tweeting about #Benghazi.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:35 PM (ZPrif)

310 davies: something like that was best used to hack away at underbrush. like a machete. (hill country has lots of annoying shrubbery between A and B if you're randomly hiking or hunting. some of it with thorns, like mesquite.)

I wouldn't expect it was used for warfare, though...

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:36 PM (AVEe1)

311 Don't want the Redskins to change their name, just sayin'.....

But......

I told a guy I worked with today that I'd trade the Redskins' name and logo if Dan Snyder would stop being the owner.....

Desperate times call for desperate measures....

Posted by: NC Ref at November 21, 2014 08:36 PM (Myqtp)

312
So Bold. So what's next month's cover, #19 and #70's scalp hanging from the banner while Chief Wigwam has wifey facedownassup on the table?

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 08:36 PM (wAQA5)

313 What would be bold is if they explained what Thanksgiving is really about, not revisionist narratives about natives.

Posted by: jk76 at November 21, 2014 08:36 PM (naN6T)

314
It's the inevitable result of 50 years of racial politics, and dividing people into groups. It will not end well.


Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:29 PM (4nR9/)

Mentioned before, but bears repetition:

One day two foreigners appeared in our midst, recently come from
Italy. Berti and Donnini were a smooth, attractive pair, who called
themselves professors and had become leaders of the Italian Commission.
They immediately started a controversy, about the, work among national
minorities.

Earl Browder at the convention of 1944 had insisted 9n the
elimination of a sense of difference among the foreign-born and had
moved to have them treated as part of the American labor movement. To
this Professors Berti and Donnini offered strenuous objections. They
emphasized the importance of separate national organizations, of
encouraging the foreign-born to use their languages, and of circulating
foreign-language newspapers. They encouraged the organizing of the
different national groups almost as if these were foreign colonies. It
would strengthen the sense of nationalism among them, they asserted, a
necessary thing for the building of world communism.

These two Party functionaries found themselves on the carpet for
their unwelcome views. Plans were on foot to expel them. Then, suddenly,
came the amazing news that they were members of the Italian Communist
Party! Up to this point, like others, I had regarded them as honest but
misguided foreigners with a penchant for disputation.

Now I realized that nothing they said had been unpremeditated,
and that they were not speaking for themselves. They represented the
International Communist movement and it was clear that Browder's
approach to the national problem was in disfavor with some sections of
world communism.



From Bella Dodd's "School of Darkness," Ch. 13. http://genus.cogia.net/chap13.php

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:36 PM (oKE6c)

315 >>>We could sit here and Chippeway at the New Yorker cover for many moons.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:33 PM (2cS/G)<<<

Huron fire.

Posted by: Magua at November 21, 2014 08:36 PM (nlPax)

316 I'm a little Pequot,
Short and stout...

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (2cS/G)

317 Una paloma blanco.

Posted by: Zombie Slim at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (Dwehj)

318 That "I'm An Indian, Too" number from Annie Get Your Gun--has it been deleted from any of the Broadway revivals to satisfy the delicate sensibilities of New Yorker readers?

Posted by: Dances with SJWs at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (BKaug)

319 Thus the importance of indoctrinating the young.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 08:29 PM (l1zOH)

Yeah, but it seems to me that works only when we're economically flush. When times are good and your own ethnic group is by far the majority, you can feel pretty generous. When you're actually competing with others because (due to leftist policies) the pie is getting smaller and you're afraid you and yours won't get any - well, I think that's when "tolerance" and "diversity" are gonna take a big hit.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (+XMAD)

320 Journal of William Trent was in 1763 -- more than 250 years after the great mixing and disease spreading.

British colonists were dealing with the remnants of the amerindian tribes.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (ZPrif)

321 Nobody "reads" The New Yorker. Nobody.

Posted by: James Thurber at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (lG2E3)

322 $6.99? Good Lord. Do people actually buy that rag?


Yes they buy it. But they don't actually read it.


It's all part of the smug signaling thing.

Posted by: The IRS at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (xSCb6)

323 You don't know social engagement until you start tweeting about #Benghazi.

Because all Benghazi is, is a catchphrase to argue about on twitter. Nothing else happened there. And oh my, aren't those conservatives paranoid and stupid #gamerghazi

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:38 PM (AVEe1)

324 Where are the Indian children. Perhaps they're eating desserts, like pastries. We'll call them PaiUtes.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:38 PM (4nR9/)

325 Ooops, off sock of cocksuckers

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 08:38 PM (xSCb6)

326 Top men worked on that cover. Top Men!

Posted by: mpfs at November 21, 2014 08:38 PM (SMXjC)

327 The great die-off had already happened by the time the British colonists showed up.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:39 PM (ZPrif)

328 When a large goldfish told me to "scram!", I said:

"You can't talk! Iriquois!"

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:39 PM (16bOT)

329 Journal of William Trent was in 1763 -- more than 250 years after the great mixing and disease spreading.

British colonists were dealing with the remnants of the amerindian tribes.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (ZPrif)
-----
Yes. It is a historical reference to an attempt to spread smallpox. References to such do indeed exist.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 08:39 PM (z27Ny)

330 Well, at least none of those racist white guys at the first Thanksgiving was wearing a shirt with sexy women on it.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:40 PM (+XMAD)

331 291
Everyone else gets to be proud of their race but white pride automatically gets equated to some toothless goobers in bedsheets. And yet I wonder if on some level, whites as a whole are getting sick of this indoctrination that they're bad and evil. It really is another case of liberals trying to change human nature, because it isn't natural to think your own people and country suck.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:27 PM (+XMAD)


Great comment, Donna.

Yes, I am feeling more tribal these days, too. The white race is almost entirely responsible for the creation of the modern world, and I am getting sick and tired of being told that I should feel guilty for things I had nothing to do with.

It was white guilt that got Obama elected. Even if 100% of blacks and other minorities had voted for him, he never could have won without tens of millions of votes from whites.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:40 PM (sdi6R)

332 321 Nobody "reads" The New Yorker. Nobody.
Posted by: James Thurber at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (lG2E3)



Kinda like "Playboy" then?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:40 PM (oKE6c)

333 The more the Indian chief on the cover thinks he can get away with, the Mo He Can. In many ways, the story of Obama.


Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:35 PM (4nR9/)

"Me smell Moe Hican burning. Me last Moe Hican...Must be me!"
-classic Warner Brothers

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 08:41 PM (4RSqo)

334 An Indian prostitute asked when I would pay her, but I said Navajo.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:41 PM (4nR9/)

335 303 Kinda' on topic . While turkey hunting in the Texas hill country I found a huge piece of flint that had been obviously worked on one side . I mean this thing was big , like half the size of a nerf football . I guessed it was a hand ax , my niece , who was into the amateur study of the comanches in that area , said it was probably a scraper for buffalo hides . It seemed way big for that purpose to me .
Any morons have any ideas . I wish I still had the piece , it was my best ever find of native artifacts . I gave it to my niece , cause I was a guest and I thought she'd appreciate it . It's probably gone now , though . Still cool .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 08:33 PM (Z+Mqb)


It was rough stock: u make 'little' knives and points from a larger piece, using the pieces-parts that you knap off.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 08:41 PM (Nqnyv)

336 319
Yeah, but it seems to me that works only when we're economically flush. When times are good and your own ethnic group is by far the majority, you can feel pretty generous. When you're actually competing with others because (due to leftist policies) the pie is getting smaller and you're afraid you and yours won't get any - well, I think that's when "tolerance" and "diversity" are gonna take a big hit.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:37 PM (+XMAD)



Another home run. You're on fire tonight.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:41 PM (sdi6R)

337 You say Oneeda, I say Oneida - let's call the whole thing off.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:42 PM (+XMAD)

338 Yes, I am feeling more tribal these days, too. The
white race is almost entirely responsible for the creation of the modern
world


Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:40 PM (sdi6R)



Fact: But for Caucasian and Asian males, we'd still be living in caves and hitting each other over the head with femurs, a la the opening scenes of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:42 PM (oKE6c)

339 Well, at least none of those racist white guys at the first Thanksgiving was wearing a shirt with sexy women on it.

They were, however, wearing those big Puritan-style cross pendants around their necks.

Which is even worse

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:42 PM (AVEe1)

340 They had agriculture, so they could grow crops that could be used to make fabric. Stone Age Europeans did that too.

---------

the term "Indian" covered a lot of ground. Plains Indians were as different from New England Indians as Hmong tribesman are from the Irish. Eastern seaboard Indians like Iroquois and Cherokee had complex societies with agriculture, social stratification and large permanent settlements.

On the other hand, plains Indians like Comanches and Apaches were archetypical itinerant savages who lived in small, loosely organized clans living by hunting, gathering, and killing each other for their shit.

The range of their differences makes me laugh at activists who treat them as though they were a single monolithic culture.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:43 PM (yQ8B4)

341 Has Elizabeth Warren seen this?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 08:43 PM (Nqnyv)

342 We're up the Creek without a dreamcatcher.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 08:44 PM (2cS/G)

343 341 Has Elizabeth Warren seen this?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 08:43 PM (Nqnyv)



Somebody give the bitch a smallpox-infested blanket, quick.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:44 PM (oKE6c)

344 So the New Yorker finds the antiquated racism of Daniel Snyder's football team to be a safe laugh. This is revolting. Such material needs to be censored from the public space and destroyed. And I strongly suspect Daniel Snyder is donating to pro-Zionist causes that oppress the Palestinian people the way he makes millions by insulting the original Americans.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 21, 2014 08:44 PM (cux11)

345 I'm sure this will resonate within the New Yorker bubble.

With all the sterile emasculoids.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 08:45 PM (MMC8r)

346 The range of their differences makes me laugh at activists who treat them as though they were a single monolithic culture.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:43 PM (yQ8B4)



Wait..just..one...second.

Are you trying to tell me that generalizing about an entire culture, or even subset(s) of that culture is inaccurate and dumb?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:45 PM (GEICT)

347 The truth. White people are smarter and not as drunk as Indians.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 08:46 PM (WCnJW)

348 #340 That's nothing-- the left treats all women as a monolithic voting tribe.

Posted by: Dances with SJWs at November 21, 2014 08:47 PM (BKaug)

349 White people are smarter and not as drunk as Indians.

Well... we do still have the Celts among us

/runs for it

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:47 PM (AVEe1)

350 boulder portolet hobo ,,,The piece didn't have any grooves for handle attachment it to indicate use as a war club , or war hammer . I'm thinking your guess as the native equivelant of a bush ax , makes sense .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 08:47 PM (Z+Mqb)

351 They are all gruber to me. Obamagruber Clintongruber Bidengruber
Pelosigruber and all the rest.


what about me?

Posted by: Schnitzen Gruber at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (pSF4e)

352 My wife just called me a racist.

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (7Oo+W)

353 "The truth. White people are smarter and not as drunk as Indians."
-Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 08:46 PM (WCnJW)

Knock it off and move back. *hic*

Posted by: Your Local Police Force at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (16bOT)

354 @346 Are you trying to tell me that generalizing about an entire culture, or even subset(s) of that culture is inaccurate and dumb?
-------------------------

Just so long as the culture in question isn't white.

Then it's okay to stereotype and generalize.

Posted by: junior at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (UWFpX)

355 Well... we do still have the Celts among us

/runs for it

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:47 PM (AVEe1)



*throws rock at you*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (GEICT)

356 Is it just me, or is that cover art pretty shitty..... I think I could do a better job. But the Irony meter is pegged. I am now ashamed to be a Redskin fan for other reasons than they are a shitty team.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (jucos)

357 The range of their differences makes me laugh at activists who treat them as though they were a single monolithic culture.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:43 PM (yQ8B4)

My favorite: the La Raza shitheads who take pride in the Aztecs, little appreciating that they almost certainly would have been the ones laid on the altar, and their beating hearts ripped out by an Aztec priest, rather than being that Aztec priest.
Also known as "why Cortes and his 300 playmates with a few breech loading muskets were able to conquer a bazillion Aztecs," viz., a bazillion pissed off native tribesmen tired of putting up with these Stone Age Nazis, the Aztecs.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:49 PM (oKE6c)

358 The range of their differences makes me laugh at activists who treat them as though they were a single monolithic culture.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2014 08:43 PM (yQ8B4)

The one part of "Dances With Wolves" that was accurate was how they warred with one another - frequently and viciously.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 08:49 PM (4RSqo)

359 Has Hrothgar been here today?

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 08:49 PM (sj3Ax)

360 "Is it just me, or is that cover art pretty shitty..... I think I could do a better job."
-Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at November 21, 2014 08:48 PM (jucos)

It isn't just you. I could have done that in my sleep.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:50 PM (16bOT)

361 The guy what tweeted that looks like pajama boy's cousin.

Posted by: Garrett at November 21, 2014 08:50 PM (sXgg7)

362 Tom Nichols @TheWarRoom_Tom
Hillary Clinton just made a comment that would make Mitt Romney lecture her about not appearing too upper-class.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:51 PM (ZPrif)

363 Tom Nichols @TheWarRoom_Tom
Wow. MT @aseitzwald: HRC on immigration order: "This is about people's lives, people, I would venture to guess, who served us tonight."

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:51 PM (ZPrif)

364
Should've told Cochran, no drinks but she's got a hot MILF momma.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 08:20 PM (CMkNk)



and a former Marine daddy. *shrugs* eh. That's life.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 21, 2014 08:52 PM (6fyGz)

365 Are those Honest Injuns?

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 08:52 PM (CnIq4)

366 Jay, 357. I have heard there were thousands of Tlaxcalan Indians in those battles. So there must have been many large engagements without any Spaniards involved at all.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 21, 2014 08:52 PM (9tzvc)

367 Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:51 PM (ZPrif)

Hold them to their own definitions.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (16bOT)

368 >>"This is about people's lives, people, I would venture to guess, who served us tonight."

*single tear*

Posted by: Iron Eyes Warren at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (g1DWB)

369 I love the depiction of the middle Indian as stoic and noble. I wonder if he just came from the slaughter of his neighboring tribe.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (xSCb6)

370 Tom Nichols @TheWarRoom_Tom
Wow. MT @aseitzwald: HRC on immigration order: "This is about people's lives, people, I would venture to guess, who served us tonight."


Changed her bedpan, I guess.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (MMC8r)

371 "Why not just go ahead and call them the Drunken Small-Dicked Irish?"


****


Heyyyyy...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (NeFrd)

372 The guy what tweeted that looks like pajama boy's cousin.

They all left their nuts behind in the delivery room.

Posted by: Zombie Slim at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (Dwehj)

373 "Are those Honest Injuns?"
-Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 08:52 PM (CnIq4)

Rarely.

-Scout's Honor.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (16bOT)

374 291
Everyone else gets to be proud of their race but white pride automatically gets equated to some toothless DEMOCRAT goobers in bedsheets.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:27 PM (+XMAD)



Forgot. That needs to be emphasized.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (sdi6R)

375 >>>29
They took the whole Indian nation,
Put us on this reservation . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (CMkNk)

So, what keeps them there? Can't native Americans live wherever they want?

Posted by: Mindy at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (vDQz+)

376 Natuve Americans never let a single piece of the New Yorker go to waste.

Posted by: Garrett at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (sXgg7)

377 one of those indians is not like the others

one of those indians just isn't the same.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 105 days until spring training at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (u8GsB)

378 Cicero , that's possible too . Seemed strange to discard so much good flint after flaking off spear and arrow points . I mean there were still twenty or thirty potential arrowheads left on this hunk of flint . Around here , south carolina , we only find chips leftover from tool making , or remnants of whole spear and arrow points , oh , and lots of clay pottery .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (Z+Mqb)

379
Are you trying to tell me that generalizing about an entire culture, or even subset(s) of that culture is inaccurate and dumb?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 21, 2014 08:45 PM (GEICT)



I believe it was Jessie Jackson that said sometimes he is walking down the street and notices someone is following him and as he looks more closely and notices it's a white guy he feels relieved and ashamed.


Generalizations are a survival mechanism. If you are walking along a trail, and are about to step on a snake, most sane people do not say "Well hmm....let me see....could this be one of those non-poisonous snake, or could it be poisonous?"


No, they scream "Holy Fuck!" and jump back.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (txvbW)

380 Say, Brownie:

...I need more towels and a turn-down.

Posted by: Democrats at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (16bOT)

381
*single tear*

Posted by: Iron Eyes Warren at November 21, 2014 08:53 PM (g1DWB)

Heh. Another faux indian.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (MMC8r)

382 TwitchyTeam @TwitchyTeam 4h
'Oh piss boy!' Obama promotes immigrants to bedpan cleaners in new amnesty speech http://bit.ly/1r65XXw

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (ZPrif)

383 Also known as "why Cortes and his 300 playmates with a few breech loading muskets were able to conquer a bazillion Aztecs," viz., a bazillion pissed off native tribesmen tired of putting up with these Stone Age Nazis, the Aztecs.

This is why I bring up la Noche Trieste.

Cortes DIDN'T conquer the Aztecs by himself. His men got kicked the fuck out of Tenochtitlan and the Cubans didn't reinforce him enough to take it back. Cortes used OTHER INDIAN TRIBES to do that work. He had to.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (AVEe1)

384 Sacagawe 'er? I hardly knew 'er!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (NeFrd)

385 >>>Has Elizabeth Warren seen this?<<<



No one cares about that old Crow. Her "heritage" is just a red herring.






(her maiden name was Herring)

Posted by: Magua at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (nlPax)

386 Someday a civil war will break out between the groobers and the goobers.

Posted by: Dances with SJWs at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (BKaug)

387 Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:49 PM (oKE6c)

Other than editing for "muzzle loading matchlock arquebuses" you got that right. There were plenty of locals just looking for a way to take the Aztecs down a few pegs - or a hundred pegs.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (4RSqo)

388 We shouldn't have given them corn and told them if they worked hard and paid their taxes they could stay.

Posted by: Powhatan at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (w3a0Z)

389 That must be Peggy Noonan carrying the brewskis for another Obama 'Beer Summit'. (tm) Skippy Gates and David Brooks are checking the trouser creases.
My betters are so dreamy!1!!!

Posted by: dr kill at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (jRgO6)

390 Did Cher get a complimentary copy?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (Nqnyv)

391 I'm bettin' the arrival of the latest edition of The New Yorker is all the rage on the reservation.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (MMC8r)

392 White people are smarter and not as drunk as Indians.

It's a stereotype, but true, about Indians (at least some of them) and drink. Some peoples, such as Japanese, differ physiologically in their reaction to alcohol. I lived in Japan briefly, and some Japanese turn an alarming shade of red with their first sniff of a cork. It's amazing.

As for Indians, I'll never forget the scene when two Indians at my high school got a snoot full and went on a rampage. One of them (a friend of mine, with whom I'd played ball, and built like a washing machine) picked up a picnic table in the lunch area and threw it (literally), then proceeded to cold cock several teachers. A bunch of us jocks were just showing up for practice as this happened, and the VP turned to us and said, "Let's get 'em!"

We looked at each other, and said, "Fuck you. Not only are these guys friends of ours, but we've just seen what these guys can do."

They both got kicked out of school, and I never saw them again.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:57 PM (oKE6c)

393 Nowadays? I think it's obvious, that no-one is going to look out for you but yours.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:31 PM (AVEe1)

Ferguson is definitely feeding into the tribalism too. Those aholes want to do to a officer who clearly acted in self-defense what white lynch mobs did to innocent blacks 70 years ago. They don't care about having the same opportunities to succeed as whites, they want blood and revenge.

And 99% of them weren't even alive during the Jim Crow years.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:57 PM (+XMAD)

394 what a clever bunch those rosebudding felchers can be

Posted by: eureka! at November 21, 2014 08:57 PM (Zbknu)

395 No word on Fergadishue yet?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 08:57 PM (tOA1k)

396 Heh. Another faux indian.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (MMC8r)



indian...that's supposed to be spelled Injun!
Darned racists.....


Posted by: NC Ref at November 21, 2014 08:58 PM (Myqtp)

397 I'm bettin' the arrival of the latest edition of The New Yorker is all the rage on the reservation.

Putting some Comanche in charge of all major departments in Manhattan might be an improvement

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:58 PM (AVEe1)

398 His men got kicked the fuck out of Tenochtitlan and the Cubans didn't reinforce him enough to take it back.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 08:55 PM (AVEe1)
---------
The 'reinforcements' were sent to arrest Cortes, I believe.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 08:59 PM (z27Ny)

399 No word on Fergadishue yet?

No, but we're poised and ready to fan the flames when it does!

Posted by: The State Run Media at November 21, 2014 08:59 PM (Dwehj)

400 Fuckin' Aztecs had it coming.

Posted by: Garrett at November 21, 2014 08:59 PM (sXgg7)

401 It's such a goddamned irony. She tells me most white people are racist, and when I call her on it, and ask her if I'm a racist, she says yes.

I'm so angry

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at November 21, 2014 08:59 PM (7Oo+W)

402 Ugh. This issue of New Yorker have many heap good articles. Many funny cartoons. Many braves sit around trading insightful anecdotes, much theater reviews.

Posted by: Chief Prancing Elk at November 21, 2014 09:00 PM (MMC8r)

403 I think reposting any front cover of any National Lampoon mag from the 70s would blow this New Yorker cover out of the water. Every stand-up comedian in existence ever called to say, "....timing...timing...".

Posted by: Corona at November 21, 2014 09:00 PM (fh2Y7)

404 Other than editing for "muzzle loading matchlock
arquebuses" you got that right. There were plenty of locals just looking
for a way to take the Aztecs down a few pegs - or a hundred pegs.


Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (4RSqo)

Good point. No muskets then. Scotch is kicking in.
Still, the point remains. Liberals act as though 300 guys could, by themselves conquer an empire of a million people. It's ridiculous. After the first volley, the surviving 999,700 Aztecs would proceed to disembowel the Spaniards.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:00 PM (oKE6c)

405 ..."I'm so angry."
-Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at November 21, 2014 08:59 PM (7Oo+W)

Tough one. Is this a hill to die on?

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:01 PM (16bOT)

406 I'm so angry

Tell her to make you a goddam sammich. You'll both feel better.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 21, 2014 09:01 PM (Dwehj)

407 I also resent Johnny Cash for his cultural appropriation.

Posted by: A Boy Named Sioux at November 21, 2014 09:02 PM (nlPax)

408
So, what keeps them there? Can't native Americans live wherever they want?

Posted by: Mindy at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (vDQz+)



I believe the song refers to the events surrounding the "Indian Removal Act" passed in 1830. The Cherokees thought it would be simple to get a ruling from the Supreme Court declaring the act illegal, and it was.


The United States Supreme court ruled in favor of the Indians right to remain on their lands. Andrew Jackson, first Democrat President and founder of the Democrat National Committee (DNC) decided to ignore the Supreme Court decision, and ordered the Army to move them anyways.


They moved them to Oklahoma.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:02 PM (txvbW)

409 Tell her to make you a goddam sammich. You'll both feel better.


Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 21, 2014 09:01 PM (Dwehj)


****


On white bread. With extra mayo!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 09:02 PM (NeFrd)

410 It's not the hill to die on. We can't even afford a divorce, let alone what it would inevitably do to the kids. But... That's a really hard one to take.

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at November 21, 2014 09:03 PM (7Oo+W)

411 RioBravo: you know, I now recall you're right about that... thanks for the reminder

Point is, when Cortes (somehow) convinced de Narvaez that they could work together, it still wouldn't have been nearly enough to retake a now-furious and united imperial capital without help from some of said empire's subjects

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:03 PM (AVEe1)

412 Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 08:54 PM (Z+Mqb)

Something may have come up - and they had to scoot and dropped the heavy stuff behind to make it easier to flee.

Events and all of that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:03 PM (4RSqo)

413 You're a rabid anti-Dentite!

Posted by: Kramer at November 21, 2014 09:04 PM (sXgg7)

414 Porn flick starring a young Lizzie Warren: Eating Crow

Posted by: I denounce myself at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (BKaug)

415 411 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:03 PM (AVEe1)


We drained 50 phasers. And still they came! And they came! AND THEY CAME!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (CMkNk)

416 375 >>>29
They took the whole Indian nation,
Put us on this reservation . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:40 PM (CMkNk)

Some day Cherokee Nation will return, will return, will return...to own casinos and get a really nice cut from the slot machines and the blackjack tables.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (+XMAD)

417 366 Jay, 357. I have heard there were thousands of Tlaxcalan Indians in those battles. So there must have been many large engagements without any Spaniards involved at all.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 21, 2014 08:52 PM (9tzvc)



I haven't read Prescott's history of the Spanish Conquest in decades, and consequently don't remember, but I expect you're right.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (oKE6c)

418 414 Porn flick starring a young Lizzie Warren: Eating Crow
Posted by: I denounce myself at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (BKaug)

Oh man!!!

There goes the milk and cookies!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (CMkNk)

419 After they get done with their free giveaways, is there going to anything left for those of us who pay the taxes?
If not, may I suggest we stop underwriting our demise.

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (CnIq4)

420 How many women does it take to change a light-bulb?

One -- to hold it and hope the World revolves around them.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:06 PM (16bOT)

421
Some day Cherokee Nation will return, will
return, will return...to own casinos and get a really nice cut from the
slot machines and the blackjack tables.

Posted by: Donna V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (+XMAD)

And to provide a few bogus Senators, of course.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:06 PM (oKE6c)

422 I got most of my knowledge about the Aztec imperium from Gary Jennings' fictional epic "Aztec".

It's angry-atheist in tone and its author was a pervert. But, if you avoid those problems, this book holds up.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:06 PM (AVEe1)

423 I used to work for a land surveyor that was quite the amateur archaeologist . He even had a little book printed by the University of S. Carolina about excavations from the Cal Smoak site here in Orangeburg.
He once told me about a charming custom of our local tribes . When enslaving defeated enemies they used to cut a heel off of the losers , made them easier to manage in captivity , I guess . If the slaves didn't survive the process , it was no big deal , apparently.
I'd never heard of such a thing but the guy didn't bullshit about stuff like that ,as far as I know .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:06 PM (Z+Mqb)

424
Sheryl Crow and Russel Crow should get married with Susan Crough (Partridge Family [ironic, that]).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (CMkNk)

425 401 It's such a goddamned irony. She tells me most white people are racist, and when I call her on it, and ask her if I'm a racist, she says yes.

I'm so angry

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at November 21, 2014 08:59 PM (7Oo+W)



Presumably she is of a different race? I would say "not so fast sweety, I married you."


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (txvbW)

426 Looking at the style, the two uniforms, and the face mask, is this cover recycled from 1970?

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (FcR7P)

427 393
Ferguson is definitely feeding into the tribalism too. Those aholes want to do to a officer who clearly acted in self-defense what white lynch mobs did to innocent blacks 70 years ago.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 08:57 PM (+XMAD)



While lynching is subversion of the Rule of Law and shouldn't be tolerated, lately I find myself wondering just how many "victims" of lynching were actually murderers, rapists, child molesters and other assorted psychos that the local townsfolk knew were guilty as hell and got exactly what they deserved.

Lynching is wrong if you believe in the Rule of Law, but the conventional wisdom that everybody who was lynched were innocent snowflakes is just as wrong.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (sdi6R)

428 419 After they get done with their free giveaways, is there going to anything left for those of us who pay the taxes?
If not, may I suggest we stop underwriting our demise.
Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (CnIq4)


(**Lois Lerner peeks in**)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:08 PM (CMkNk)

429 'Yeah, we're goin' to the round house
We're gonna have a re-al
A good time'

Posted by: Jim Moccasin at November 21, 2014 09:09 PM (sXgg7)

430 390 Did Cher get a complimentary copy?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 08:56 PM (Nqnyv)


She's mostly Armenian.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:09 PM (CMkNk)

431 The feds crime victimization survey shows blacks commit violence against whites 25x more often than whites do blacks.

And that undercounts cause of hispanics being classified as white when perpetrators, but not victims.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 09:10 PM (ZPrif)

432 The Fakarwe Indians were there first natives the Pilgrims met upon landing. We know that since the chief said to the Pilgrim leaders "Where the Fakarwe?"

Posted by: Don't Change the Name at November 21, 2014 09:10 PM (SOG7O)

433 Inca dinka doo...

Posted by: Jimmy Durante at November 21, 2014 09:10 PM (BKaug)

434 *glub*

Posted by: John Boehner at November 21, 2014 09:11 PM (gcatm)

435 You're both wrong. Cher is a half-breed. She sang a song about it.

Posted by: Chief Running Nose at November 21, 2014 09:12 PM (BKaug)

436 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:03 PM (AVEe1)

It is really amazing how a heaping pile of gold can make a local Governor/Viceroy, let alone his royal employer back home, forgive a few indiscretions committed enroute to acquiring that heaping pile of gold.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:13 PM (4RSqo)

437 "Andrew Jackson, first Democrat President and founder of the Democrat National Committee (DNC) decided to ignore the Supreme Court decision, and ordered the Army to move them anyways. "

So the first Dem president also ignored other branches of government and acted on his own. A precedent was being set here, people.

While injustices committed against the Indians have been exaggerated by the Leftist Grievance Committee (most of the deaths due to disease were not intended - the first Europeans in the New World didn't understand how germs and viruses spread, they hadn't even figured out how the Black Death spread), and while the Native Americans have been romanticized and were not as noble as they are now portrayed -

The Trail of Tears was a f*cking crime and a shame.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:13 PM (+XMAD)

438
Lynching is wrong if you believe in the Rule of Law, but the conventional wisdom that everybody who was lynched were innocent snowflakes is just as wrong.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (sdi6R)



My understanding is that most of the lynchings of black people were racially motivated and often triggered by false accusations.


I think it was a lot like those people who put those Christians in the Kiln while claiming they blasphemed the Koran.


Nobody in those situations would do such a thing.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Fruit

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:13 PM (txvbW)

439 392
It's a stereotype, but true, about Indians (at least some of them) and drink.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 08:57 PM (oKE6c)



In fairness, socialism does seem to drive people to drink. Lots.

Funny, that.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:13 PM (sdi6R)

440 @421 And to provide a few bogus Senators, of course.
-------------------

If that's a reference to Warren...

From what I've heard, the Cherokee are pretty pissed off at her.

Posted by: junior at November 21, 2014 09:13 PM (UWFpX)

441 We drained 50 phasers. And still they came!
And they came! AND THEY CAME!!!!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


And they still came?
--Al Sharpton

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (tOA1k)

442 "You're both wrong. Cher is a half-breed. She sang a song about it."
-Posted by: Chief Running Nose at November 21, 2014 09:12 PM (BKaug)

She's a Gypsy, Tramp and Thief!

Posted by: Zombie Sonny Bono at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (16bOT)

443 422 I got most of my knowledge about the Aztec imperium from Gary Jennings' fictional epic "Aztec".
It's angry-atheist in tone and its author was a pervert. But, if you avoid those problems, this book holds up.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:06 PM (AVEe1)



Prescott's history "The Conquest of Mexico" used to be considered the definitive work. Whether it still is or not, I don't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Prescott


Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (oKE6c)

444 rickl- yes, the lynching targets were probably guilty. (Lots of whites were lynched too...)

The true victims of Jim Crow would be those who weren't lynched - they were murdered. Say that, oh, "Lucius Washington" intends to vote (for the radical Republican); more, he intends to rally a bunch of his friends to vote. The Klan or the White Camelia rides through one night and Washington isn't seen again.

This crime isn't marked as a "lynching" - it's not marked at all; the man's body isn't found.

Lynching is an affront to the rule of law too, of course, but it should be viewed as a side-issue, if we're at all interested in the political history of this time.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (AVEe1)

445 D-Lamp, thanks for the historical background. I never cared for history growing up, and now that I have developed an interest, I learn all kinds of things from the Moron Horde.

Speaking of which, do we have a Moron historian among us to preserve our story and culture for posterity?

Posted by: Mindy at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (vDQz+)

446 442 She's a Gypsy, Tramp and Thief!
Posted by: Zombie Sonny Bono at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (16bOT)

Gypsies, tramps, thieves. The Sefton family album.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:15 PM (CMkNk)

447 #442 Shouldn't that be Roma, Homeless Person and Falsely Accused?

Posted by: Chief Running Nose at November 21, 2014 09:15 PM (BKaug)

448 @427 Lynching is wrong if you believe in the Rule of Law, but the conventional wisdom that everybody who was lynched were innocent snowflakes is just as wrong.
---------------------

The big reason why lynching has such a bad aura surrounding it these days is due to the racial stuff in the South. The word instantly brings race to mind for the majority of Americans these days.

Posted by: junior at November 21, 2014 09:16 PM (UWFpX)

449 "Speaking of which, do we have a Moron historian among us to preserve our story and culture for posterity?"
-Posted by: Mindy at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (vDQz+)

We got this.

Posted by: Joe at the NSA at November 21, 2014 09:16 PM (16bOT)

450 Speaking of which, do we have a Moron historian among us to preserve our story and culture for posterity?



NSA.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 09:16 PM (tOA1k)

451 Lynching is wrong if you believe in the Rule of Law, but the
conventional wisdom that everybody who was lynched were innocent
snowflakes is just as wrong.



Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (sdi6R)



The city with the record for the most lynchings? New York, which leads the league tables with 11 blacks lynched during the draft riots of 1863.

In case you wonder why liberals always start their reckoning on lynching in 1870, now you know.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:16 PM (oKE6c)

452 What bullshit. Nobody's cheered for the Redskins in years.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 21, 2014 09:16 PM (RubNX)

453
OK kids, gotta learn my lines and not bump into the furniture.

See you in the AM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 09:16 PM (CMkNk)

454 Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:05 PM (oKE6c)

Bernal Diaz del Castillo wrote the Discovery and Conquest of Mexico. He was one of the conquistedores. Raw guts, plenty of nerve, abounding greed and ambition, and a fair amount of diplomatic skill got Cortez and his boys through to victory.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (4RSqo)

455 >>Speaking of which, do we have a Moron historian among us to preserve our story and culture for posterity?

Yup.

Posted by: NSA at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (g1DWB)

456 432 The Fakarwe Indians were there first natives the Pilgrims met upon landing. We know that since the chief said to the Pilgrim leaders "Where the Fakarwe?"

Now that's some funny shit.

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (CnIq4)

457 Hot Air said Ferguson decision is expected Sunday. I only read there, never post.

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (sj3Ax)

458 Fuck you fast typing fuckers.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (g1DWB)

459 Cher sang "I Got You Babe"


Mary Landrieu was going to appropriate that as her campaign theme song. She thought it was a love song from that movie with the talking pig and thought it apropos.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (NeFrd)

460 Lynching is wrong if you believe in the Rule of Law, but the
conventional wisdom that everybody who was lynched were innocent
snowflakes is just as wrong.



Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (sdi6R)



Another fun fact: almost everyone who was lynched was ... a Republican.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:18 PM (oKE6c)

461 >>>#442 Shouldn't that be Roma, Homeless Person and Falsely Accused?

Posted by: Chief Running Nose at November 21, 2014 09:15 PM (BKaug)<<<

You mean -- a good girl, a very good girl.

Posted by: Cher's mom at November 21, 2014 09:18 PM (nlPax)

462 I win this round.

...it'll change after the beers accumulate ...*HAH!*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:18 PM (16bOT)

463 For what it's worth, I'm told my Grandfather (on my mother's side) is Half Cherokee.


If true, that makes my mom a 1/4 and me 1/8th.


I looked up what it takes to get on the Tribal rolls and they demand a paper trail to the Dawes rolls.

DNA isn't good enough for some reason.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:19 PM (txvbW)

464 Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:06 PM (Z+Mqb)

Samuel Elliot Morrison's biography on Champlain has tales of the habits of the locals when they have prisoners. Not for the weak of stomach.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:19 PM (4RSqo)

465 Lynching is wrong if you believe in the Rule of Law, but the
conventional wisdom that everybody who was lynched were innocent
snowflakes is just as wrong.



Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:07 PM (sdi6R)



Yeah, I wonder why the "knockout game" didn't catch on back then.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:19 PM (oKE6c)

466 Posted by: Mindy at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (vDQz+)



You're welcome. It is an area of some interest to me.



Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:20 PM (txvbW)

467 Samuel Elliot Morrison's biography on Champlain has tales of the habits of the locals when they have prisoners. Not for the weak of stomach.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:19 PM (4RSqo)



Some tribes in the Southwest (Comanches and Apaches, IIRC) had their whole culture built around torturing captives. Nice.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 09:21 PM (oKE6c)

468 So ... it appears the House Repubs official reports says ... Obama did nothing wrong?
TheBlaze @theblaze
Final report released after a two year investigation into Benghazi: http://t.co/1y348SGndy
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM

WTF? WT actual F? I'll have to read it but my initial reaction is outrage.

When they hid all those survivors and wouldn't them testify it wasn't for nothing. Maybe this is why they replaced Issa w/ Chaffetz, cause Issa can't find shit.

Posted by: Farmer at November 21, 2014 09:22 PM (o/90i)

469 >>Some tribes in the Southwest (Comanches and Apaches, IIRC) had their whole culture built around torturing captives.

Huh. Half of my ex's family came from the Southwest.

Explains a lot.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:22 PM (g1DWB)

470 D-Lamp: some tribes do accept DNA evidence.

... but some tribes base their ancestry on standing and confederation. Those tribes kicked out fullblood members who were cowards or dishonest; and they accepted other people as members if they'd proven their loyalty. The Comanche were famed for this. Quanah Parker was a halfbreed for instance. So, for a tribe like that, DNA wouldn't be of any use - I mean, you could be descended from an outcast.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:23 PM (AVEe1)

471 Some tribes in the Southwest (Comanches and Apaches, IIRC) had their whole culture built around torturing captives. Nice


Pikers.

Posted by: Shawnee. Busy Roasting the flayed flesh of our still living captive. at November 21, 2014 09:23 PM (Nqnyv)

472 What would the Native Americans at the first Thanksgiving think if they knew Americans today have parades to publicize preference for sodomy, and people have surgeries to cut off their genitals and replace them to look like those of the opposite sex?

The filter of history kinda makes the name of a football team sound petty.

Wait, it is petty no matter which time period.

Posted by: UnFatMatt at November 21, 2014 09:24 PM (KZ+oE)

473 Explains a lot.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:22 PM (g1DWB)


And without the wheel they could never figure out how to end the cycle of violence.
(Remember that phrase from about ten years ago?)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:25 PM (4RSqo)

474 One legend has it that Pythagoras visited an Indian village, and saw two thin women sitting outside a tepee on rough blankets made from deer hides. Across the way was an obese Indian woman sitting on a mat made out of a skinned hippo.

Doing some quick mental calculations, Pythagoras estimated that the squaw on the hippopotamus was equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 09:25 PM (NeFrd)

475 Cortes wrote a book - Five Letters from Mexico - addressed to Emperor Charles V that are packed with lots of detail, like trying and failing to build a catapult...

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 21, 2014 09:25 PM (9tzvc)

476 Bernal Diaz del Castillo wrote the Discovery and Conquest of Mexico.

Jennings based his (fiction!) book on del Castillo and on other near-contemporary records. This is why I cited Jennings as a source and figured I wouldn't have gone too far wrong.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:25 PM (AVEe1)

477 Yeah , Mikey , I've heard Indian women could have held there own against the Afghan women of Kiplings poem . Kept prisoners alive for days , screaming the whole time . It was like a party .
Noble savages , my ass . I'm sure they were no more noble than white barbarians .
Thank G-d , literally , for modern judeo christian philosophy .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:26 PM (Z+Mqb)

478 10 Perhaps the New Yorker is really interested in reversing a historic injustice. How about returning Manhattan to the Indians, you fucking pencil-necked palefaces?
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM (2cS/G)
Go to the Hague and hassle the Dutch.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 21, 2014 07:35 PM

Actually the Dutch that did the deal were here as are their descendants. A relative of mine was a translator w/ the Canarsie Indians for the sale of their lands.

Just which my Dutch ancestors hadn't left Manhattan for Brooklyn, then NJ, then PA and later IL. It would be sweet to own the little areas that were their farms in New Amsterdam, today in Manhattan.

They had to sell out and move away from the big city back then.

Posted by: Farmer at November 21, 2014 09:26 PM (o/90i)

479 I don't get it.
If it's what I think it is, it's just one of those amusing anachronisms. Bold? Nah....

Posted by: [blink]fBW52[/blink] at November 21, 2014 09:27 PM (fBW52)

480 ..."Doing some quick mental calculations, Pythagoras estimated that the squaw on the hippopotamus was equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides."
-Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 09:25 PM (NeFrd)

You're a horrible individual.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:27 PM (16bOT)

481 ... but some tribes base their ancestry on standing and confederation. Those tribes kicked out fullblood members who were cowards or dishonest; and they accepted other people as members if they'd proven their loyalty. The Comanche were famed for this. Quanah Parker was a halfbreed for instance. So, for a tribe like that, DNA wouldn't be of any use - I mean, you could be descended from an outcast.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:23 PM (AVEe1)


Well since it's my grandfather's mother, and since she's a woman, I don't think she would have been an outcast for cowardice. Maybe for getting involved with a white man or something. I dunno.


My sister (who does all the genealogical stuff) says that both her name and my grandfather's name are on the Dawes rolls, but the trouble is proving that the names listed on the rolls are the same people as my great grandmother and my grandfather.


Grandfather always claimed to be white, because back in those days you didn't want to be classified as Indian if you could help it.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:27 PM (txvbW)

482 Where's the crab dip?

Posted by: Liarwatha at November 21, 2014 09:28 PM (Ua6T/)

483 >>Remember that phrase from about ten years ago?

Missed that one. Do tell.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:28 PM (g1DWB)

484 "What would the Native Americans at the first Thanksgiving think if they
knew Americans today have parades to publicize preference for sodomy,
and people have surgeries to cut off their genitals and replace them to
look like those of the opposite sex?"

My guess is they would call that guy "Brave Who Wigwams Alone" but would respect him because the feather and bead headdress' he makes are so utterly fab-u-lous!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:29 PM (4RSqo)

485 I say we demand reparations for cancer patients. Them injuns got us hooked on tobacco.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 09:29 PM (Nqnyv)

486 458 Fuck you fast typing fuckers.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:17 PM (g1DWB)



Thread Winner!

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:29 PM (sdi6R)

487 Samuel Elliot Morrison's biography on Champlain has tales of the habits of the locals when they have prisoners. Not for the weak of stomach.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:19 PM (4RSqo)

There are a group of Catholic saints called The North American Martyrs - French missionaries who preached to the Indians in what is now upstate New York. The missionaries were captured by a hostile tribe and slowly tortured to death over a 2 week period. I believe they were hacked to pieces - one day an ear, the next a foot and then finally burned to death...I think someone in their party managed a getaway and made it to a white outpost to tell the story.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:30 PM (+XMAD)

488 Mmmmm ...Firewater taste less filing than normal.

Posted by: Cochise at November 21, 2014 07:47 PM (16bOT)



Woah there Cochise. I think you mean it tastes great.

Uecker! Getback to the kids table. Don't think we can't see you.

Posted by: Bubba Smith at November 21, 2014 09:32 PM (qlpyb)

489 Yeah , Mikey , I've heard Indian women could have held there own against the Afghan women of Kiplings poem . Kept prisoners alive for days , screaming the whole time . It was like a party .
Noble savages , my ass . I'm sure they were no more noble than white barbarians .
Thank G-d , literally , for modern judeo christian philosophy .
Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:26 PM

Yep, and in my area the Sauk and Fox were unfairly driven off their lands by whites, the Black Hawk war resulted. Which is true.

But this is after other Indians drove them from Ontario to MI, then to WI, then to this area. Yeah the injuns were all "noble savages in touch w/ nature" my ass.

Posted by: Farmer at November 21, 2014 09:32 PM (o/90i)

490 Mrs. Hammer is akin to this fellow. Strange dude, Chief William McIntosh: http://tinyurl.com/kjtm6hr

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 09:32 PM (l1zOH)

491 "The other day I went ti the breadbox to get something, and a hedgepig and two otters jumped out. One of them had been in there so long he spoke Old French."
--story attributed by Edmund Wilson to Ted Walker.

Posted by: fBW52 at November 21, 2014 09:32 PM (fBW52)

492 "Don't tell me what to do!
Don't tell me what to say! "

Leslie Gore.

JJSefton, the reason I know this is because I'm not a dude.

Posted by: Decaf at November 21, 2014 09:32 PM (YahXk)

493
Doing some quick mental calculations, Pythagoras estimated that the squaw on the hippopotamus was equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 09:25 PM (NeFrd)



That's bad. That's really bad.


Okay, i've got one of those.



One day these two friars showed up in a village and opened up a flower shop. Initially people welcomed them because the flowers were so nice. Then they started importing strange and unusual flowers which frightened the town folk. One of the flowers ate a pet goat.


Eventually the townfolk gathered around to discuss how to make the friars leave. They said "Let's get Hugh! He's the biggest man in the village, and they will certainly leave if he tells them to.


So Hugh told the friars to leave and they did.


The moral of this story is that Hugh and only Hugh can prevent florist friars.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:33 PM (txvbW)

494 Some moron here (wasn't me) pointed out that one reason the North American Indians circa 1620 were so savage is that their culture was already upended by that plague racing up from Mexico a century earlier.

So what the settlers and missionaries had found was the - I'm quoting here - "assless chaps Mad Max version" of North American Indian culture of the 1400s.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:33 PM (AVEe1)

495 Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:26 PM (Z+Mqb)

We are humans, no matter where we are from, and that is why we don't trust 'those guys over there' any further than I alone can throw a Buick.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:34 PM (4RSqo)

496 "I think someone in their party managed a getaway and made it to a white outpost to tell the story."
-Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:30 PM (+XMAD)

Watch your language, young lady. The White Outpost is most-likely a supremacist bar hidden in the rural outskirts of your State.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:35 PM (16bOT)

497 Thank G-d , literally , for modern judeo christian philosophy .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:26 PM (Z+Mqb)



It is my opinion that Judeo-Christian philosophy is the only thing which dragged us out of barbarism.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:35 PM (txvbW)

498 If you guys trigger one of WeirdDave's Page-O-Text shaggy dog stories, I'm agonna be pissed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 09:35 PM (l1zOH)

499 If you guys trigger one of WeirdDave's Page-O-Text shaggy dog stories, I'm agonna be pissed.

I'm waiting for Ace's review of the movie based on Dave's textwall

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:36 PM (AVEe1)

500 The moral of this story is that Hugh and only Hugh can prevent florist friars.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 09:33 PM

*groan* LOL

Posted by: Farmer at November 21, 2014 09:36 PM (o/90i)

501 Missed that one. Do tell.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:28 PM (g1DWB)

It was the way the MSM described what was going on in Israel post 9/11 and how both parties were to blame for all of the bodies piling up at Israeli bus stops and pizza parlors.Right until Israel built a wall and flattened Arafat's compound.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:37 PM (4RSqo)

502 "Woah there Cochise. I think you mean it tastes great.
Uecker! Getback to the kids table. Don't think we can't see you.
"
-Posted by: Bubba Smith at November 21, 2014 09:32 PM (qlpyb)

You blame wrong guy. Rodney no pick-up last pin.

Posted by: Cochise at November 21, 2014 09:37 PM (16bOT)

503 Yeah, plains indians drive a herd of buffalo off a cliff . Kill 75 beasts and butcher 12 of them .
But they used every part of the 12 .
Riiiiiight .
And then there's slash and burn agriculture . Works great if you're a tribal group of 42 individuals on 5,000,000 acres . Everyone else , not so much .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:37 PM (Z+Mqb)

504 444 rickl- yes, the lynching targets were probably guilty. (Lots of whites were lynched too...)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 09:14 PM (AVEe1)



That's right. Whites were lynched too, and that has been airbrushed from history, along with the white Europeans who were kidnapped and enslaved by African Muslims during the Middle Ages.

The most famous white lynching victim was Leo Frank, who was lynched in Georgia in 1915.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank

He was a Jew from the North, which makes it problematic. He was accused of murdering a teenage girl. Was he lynched because he was a Jew from the North, or because he was actually guilty? We'll probably never know.

The irony is that there is some reason to believe that she might have actually been murdered by a black man.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 09:38 PM (sdi6R)

505 Posted by: Donna V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:30 PM (+XMAD)

Yep. And the flaying-while-alive. Not nice people to run into.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:38 PM (4RSqo)

506 "If you guys trigger one of WeirdDave's Page-O-Text shaggy dog stories, I'm agonna be pissed."
-Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 21, 2014 09:35 PM (l1zOH)

*HAH!*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:38 PM (16bOT)

507 The moral of this story is that Hugh and only Hugh can prevent florist friars.

***


Heh!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 21, 2014 09:39 PM (NeFrd)

508 NOOD!

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:40 PM (16bOT)

509 I could tell that dlamp joke was right in Muldoons wheelhouse ..

Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:41 PM (Z+Mqb)

510 >>It was the way the MSM described what was going on in Israel post 9/11 and how both parties were to blame for all of the bodies piling up at Israeli bus stops and pizza parlors.Right until Israel built a wall and flattened Arafat's compound.

Oh that cycle of violence. The one where Palestinians kill Israelis and then the msm begs the Israelis not to continue the cycle of violence.

That's a bit more than a decade old though.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 09:43 PM (g1DWB)

511 ...and for those of you who "Hate That" when someone tells "The Corgis" about a new thread?

-Stay in the old one and enjoy yourself.

If you'd like to chide me for posting such?

I'll pray for you.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 09:44 PM (16bOT)

512 About Indians and alcoholism: I remember reading a long time ago that Italians and Jews were the the two American ethnic groups with the lowest rate of alcoholism. They both came from cultures where wine drinking was part of the cultural ritual and had been going on for thousands of years.

Alcoholism rates were much higher among the Northern Europeans (more hard liquor drinkers) and extremely high among the Indians, who were not exposed to it until the whites arrived and simply were unable to handle it, particularly the rotgut frontier whiskey they were introduced to.

I've heard that AA meetings on reservations are pretty full - but a friend also told me she met quite a few Jews and Italians in AA meetings in Manhattan, so it might be more cultural conditioning than DNA.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:45 PM (+XMAD)

513 Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2014 09:37 PM (Z+Mqb)

Dave Barry had a column in which he described such a place in Canada called Head-Smashed-In-Buffalo-Jump. It seems that during one of these drives a young man watched the hunt from the bottom of the cliff.

I suspect he was not missed at all.

(Dave Barry did not make this up - it actually is a place.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:45 PM (4RSqo)

514 ..."I've heard that AA meetings on reservations are pretty full - but a friend also told me she met quite a few Jews and Italians in AA meetings in Manhattan, so it might be more cultural conditioning than DNA."
-Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 21, 2014 09:45 PM (+XMAD)

They are all pikers.

Posted by: Your Local Police Force at November 21, 2014 09:51 PM (16bOT)

515 Dave Barry had a column in which he described such a
place in Canada called Head-Smashed-In-Buffalo-Jump. It seems that
during one of these drives a young man watched the hunt from the bottom
of the cliff.

I suspect he was not missed at all.

(Dave Barry did not make this up - it actually is a place.)


Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turkey Trots to Water as Well as the Outrage Outlet! at November 21, 2014 09:45 PM (4RSqo)


I have seen it. There is a nice museum there now. It is actually a UNESCO World Heritage Site (which fact, and $3 will get you a ride on the Calgary C-train, but mostly the $3).

I live not far from the Dry Island buffalo jump, which was the highest such recognized in Alberta, but much more seldom used. Either the buffalo rarely frequented the area, or perhaps the higher cliff busted them up too badly for the Indians' taste.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 21, 2014 10:16 PM (7MWCL)

516 Hang around those fellows at the New Yorker and something else will get blown.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 21, 2014 10:27 PM (wdHk6)

517 The only people who seem to give a shit about that Redskins thing are crappy little liberals

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 11:17 PM (/B6Iw)

518 Am I the only one that clicks thru on New Yorker pieces at RCP for the laughs? They're all the same - delusional drivel where Obama is always some kind of cool genius getting his righteous buzz harshed by evil Republicans. Who are like unpatriotic and stuff. The fact that they get 7 bucks for it is strong evidence that liberals are stupid.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 21, 2014 11:17 PM (7v8o1)

519 And after the party, everybody got to fuck Elizabeth Warren's great great great grandmother in the front yard

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 11:22 PM (/B6Iw)

520 Wow, that's so transitional, I mean transformative, uh transgressive, oooh trans something that I don't remember cuz I'm on my fourth shot of Texas Silver Star Honey Liqueur. It'll come to me in the morning I'm sure.

Posted by: Rana at November 21, 2014 11:53 PM (G9Rcy)

521 New Yorker, Rolling Stone, New York Times..... these days they're all like when they slapped the Chevy Nova name on the Corolla or the Duster name on the Horizon.. ..not even close, guys

Posted by: azjaeger at November 22, 2014 12:23 AM (niWgN)

522
Granted, they had atrocious taste in sculpture.
Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 08:17 PM (4nR9/)


Their PR firm failed to erect the "Come to Pottery Barn on Rapa Nui" billboards throughout Polynesia. It's a classic marketing failure case study at Haaaaavaaaaaahd Bidness Skewl.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at November 22, 2014 12:32 AM (/dvmK)

523 PJ O'Rourke did better for Lampoon than that cover, drunk and stoned.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2014 02:21 AM (XO6WW)

524 I like it. It actually looks like they are honoring the visiting redskins.

Posted by: TRO at November 22, 2014 08:21 AM (FhyzW)

525 you're welcome. for the electricity.

Posted by: white male at November 22, 2014 08:22 AM (KHo8t)

526 If somebody wants to seriously ask uberti, rather than just trolling him - "What is bold about meeting your audience's exact expectations?" - I'd like to know his answer.

Posted by: 0302 at November 22, 2014 11:03 AM (BYd9G)

527 'Unless there's an article inside crapping on the racist team name"

Sigh. The team name is NOT racist for f*cks sake. It originated from use of body staining substances, not racial skin tone. Linguist researches later on revealed it as a self descriptor by Natives, not an externally applied moniker.

Posted by: Me at November 22, 2014 11:22 AM (u24Uq)

528 As a card carrying member of an Indian Tribe, My only problem is that the Indians showing up would have been wearing Redskins garb as well.

I grew up a Redskins fan PRECISELY because of the name, honoring our place in history.

Should Oklahoma change its name as a state? It means "Land of the Redmen". Racist and misogynist, lol.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at November 22, 2014 11:53 AM (m1iqY)

529 I'll be impressed when they do the Al Jolson 'The Jazz Singer' cover...just sayin'.

Posted by: Greg at November 22, 2014 01:00 PM (2cEfJ)

530 I dated an Osage for years. She gets tribal money due to her heritage. She is also a blue eyed blonde. Go figure.

Posted by: Read Skins at November 22, 2014 05:47 PM (2Aj5D)

531 Remember that commercial where that Italian guy had litter thrown at him and he had a tear running down his cheek.

Yeah, good times...

Posted by: ChiefGoombah at November 22, 2014 10:43 PM (2Aj5D)

532 Redskins forever. May they never change their name.

I stopped subscribing to The New Yorker years ago, fed up with its politics. And I don't miss it.

However . . . I find the cover funny. If it were a Saturday Night Live sketch (notwithstanding the undoubted left-wing sentiments of the SNL team), I'd probably find it funny as well. It's just a gag.

Posted by: Simon at November 23, 2014 10:14 PM (mQIcv)

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