After Barack I Issues His Amnesty Decree, The Ball Is In The GOP's Court

As usual the fight before the fight is to force the GOP to fight. So what's the state of play in terms of the GOP's response to His Imperial Majesty's forthcoming proclamation?

The first fight is over the upcoming Continuing Resolution. Right now the government is funded through the middle of December. The first choice is to pass a new CR that funds the government through September of next year or a shorter term one that would give the new GOP controlled Congress far more sway over it (question- even without an amnesty fight, why would the GOP let Harry Reid have so much control of the spending for the rest of the fiscal year?).

Naturally the GOP establishment, led by Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers wants to let the Democrats have as much say as possible and is advocating for a full year CR in December.

The bottom line from the election is this: The American people want a government that works for them. They want action on the issues that are meaningful and important to the country and to their daily lives. They do not want, nor will tolerate any longer, the circular and corrosive politicking that has infected our system and that is designed for quick cable TV news bites and little else.
The best way for Congress to fulfill this mandate is to bring no-nonsense governing and regularity to the federal funding process. At the core, this means “regular order” for appropriations bills — enacting funding bills on time, and in a responsible, transparent and pragmatic way, without the specter of government shutdowns or the lurching, wasteful and unproductive budgeting caused by temporary stopgap measures.
The day-to-day work of the appropriations process isn’t always headline-grabbing, but it is essential to the basic functioning of our government. It is the head-down, nose-to-the-grindstone legislation that Congress can and should enact, but that has been stymied in the past few years by internal political battles, and, frankly, a Senate that largely refused to participate in the process.
However, to get back to this regular order in the new Congress, we have to first clear the decks on the leftover, current-year appropriations work. We are now months behind in completing these annual bills, and the current temporary measure keeping the lights on in our government will expire on Dec. 11.

But of course Rogers wants you to know he's super serious about fighting Obama's amnesty so he has a plan...pass the Harry Reid approved CR now and pull the money out of the budget for it during the year using a process called "rescission".

There's one problem, rescission is a scam and Rogers and his ilk know it.

(*See note/correction below)

Officials of the Republican-led House Appropriations Committee have concluded that the government agency most responsible for implementing any new executive order — Citizenship and Immigration Services — would not be hindered if government funds are cut off; it operates entirely on revenue it generates through immigration applications.
In short, lawmakers have no fiscal leverage over the agency, which could keep operating even if the rest of the government was shut down.
“Congress does not appropriate funds for any of its operations, including the issuance of immigration status or work permits, with the exception of the E-verify program,” the committee said in a statement. “Therefore the appropriations process cannot be used to ‘de-fund’ the agency.”

(*See note/correction below)

They are trying to scam you with this, pass the CR now and we'll fight later bit. As Jon Gruber might say, they are relying on the stupidity of the American voter. Don't be Gruber bait.

So what can be done? Sorry Team GOP but Ted Cruz has the answer.

When the president usurps the legislative power and defies the limits of his authority, it becomes all the more imperative for Congress to act. And Congress should use those powers given to it by the Constitution to counter a lawless executive branch—or it will lose its authority.
If the president announces executive amnesty, the new Senate majority leader who takes over in January should announce that the 114th Congress will not confirm a single nominee—executive or judicial—outside of vital national security positions, so long as the illegal amnesty persists.
This is a potent tool given to Congress by the Constitution explicitly to act as a check on executive power. It is a constitutional power of the majority leader alone, and it would serve as a significant deterrent to a lawless president.
Additionally, the new Congress should exercise the power of the purse by passing individual appropriations bills authorizing critical functions of government and attaching riders to strip the authority from the president to grant amnesty.
President Obama will no doubt threaten a shutdown—that seems to be the one card he repeatedly plays—but Congress can authorize funding for agencies of government one at a time. If the President is unwilling to accept funding for, say, the Department of Homeland Security without his being able to unilaterally defy the law, he alone will be responsible for the consequences.
A presidential temper tantrum is not an acceptable means of discourse.

In order for the Congress to exercise the "power of the purse" it first must not give up that power.

But shutdowns are terrible Team GOP will cry! First, they clearly aren't. You need look no further than the results of two weeks ago for proof of that. But no one is talking about a shutdown. Everything would be funded, there would just be language that says the policy of the US government is not to give out work permits to these illegal aliens.

What's different this time is the GOP would no doubt pick up some red state Democrat votes and they'd be fighting Obama over something that's deeply unpopular. Even retiring Michigan Democratic Senator Carl Levin says there's nothing extreme in this approach.

And finally, a good rundown on the case for fighting Obama on this (read it all)

A short-term hit in the polls in an off year is less consequential to Republican electoral prospects than the wrath of conservatives at a GOP – given a congressional majority barely two weeks ago to, in part, thwart the lunacy emanating from the White House — that caves in its very first fight with a deeply unpopular president.
Media opprobrium in January 2015 is less consequential to Republican electoral prospects than millions of disgusted Republican voters staying at home in November 2016.
The amnesty-by-executive order, as reported, is an affront to the American voter, the American worker, the Constitution, and the American civic ethos.
Media will continue to trash Republicans (and fawn over Hillary in 2016) regardless of what Republicans do about amnesty.
Republicans can’t out-pander Democrats for Hispanic votes.
Country trumps individual political ambition.
Country trumps party.
Defund the damn order.

*I'm told by Sean Davis of The Federalist I've got this wrong but so does the staffer who said this. Sean, who worked on the Hill, says that statement isn't about rescission but the appropriations process in general. He says the idea the people claiming this can't be defunded are "wrong about that, and laughably so."

"Notwithstanding any provision of law, no funds may be appropriated/otherwise made available for X" are the most powerful words in U.S. law.
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) November 20, 2014

So there's that.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:34 AM

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1 Winslow Homer hardest hit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2014 10:35 AM (Boytw)

2 What difference, at this point, does it make?1!1?1!?1!?1??

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 20, 2014 10:36 AM (HSmrB)

3 The Emstompenating.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 10:38 AM (evdj2)

4 Dude, the old guy was just about to close the deal.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 10:39 AM (0HooB)

5 The GOP will do a lint check on its ballsack and that's about it.

CR's forever.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2014 10:39 AM (GQ8sn)

6 Dyah-mons!

Posted by: Carol Channing at November 20, 2014 10:39 AM (vgIRn)

7 question- even without an amnesty fight, why would the GOP let Harry Reid have so much control of the spending for the rest of the fiscal year?

Because THEY'RE IN ON IT.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 10:39 AM (evdj2)

8 Yeah, the thing to do is to give Obola exactly what he wants which is exactly what the voters don't want. That way, the voters will love. Yeah, boy, ruling against the will of the people is a sure fire winner.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 10:40 AM (kXTY/)

9 Balls? Nope, no balls here.

Posted by: Cryin' John Boner at November 20, 2014 10:41 AM (Qu+jw)

10
A presidential temper tantrum is not an acceptable means of discourse.

I love this.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 10:41 AM (fwARV)

11 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:41 AM (M1uf/)

12 Drew - if Congress cannot stop immigration through appropriations, as you say. Then what the fuck is the point of fighting a CR?

Because we can? Because that will show that gosh darn Obama, I'll tell ya! ??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2014 10:41 AM (4+IgA)

13 3 The Emstompenating.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 10:38 AM (evdj2)

great word

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 106 days until spring training at November 20, 2014 10:42 AM (u8GsB)

14 Rogue Executive.
Illegitimate Government.

Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:42 AM (M1uf/)

15 How about if we just do nothing? Does nothing work for you?

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at November 20, 2014 10:42 AM (Boytw)

16 Budget...ever hear of one?

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2014 10:42 AM (o2Jt2)

17 So our only hope is to depend on the will, principle and resolve of the GOPe? WASTF.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 10:43 AM (DrWcr)

18 One thing the Pugs could do although it would be meerly symbolic. At the State of the Union, just as Barky begins to speak, stand up and walk out.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 10:43 AM (kXTY/)

19 Ted Cruz for Senate Majority Leader.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (0HooB)

20 Never mind.. I hadn't read to the end.. yeah.. insist on language about work permits, etc. if you are going to fund this fucked up government.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (4+IgA)

21 There's more kabuki theater at work on immigration than at a five-day Kabukithon in Kyoto.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (RD7QR)

22 I propose we give the Stars and Stripes a facelift.

Red, White, and Green stripes. And only Twelve ... the missing one symbolizing what we've unfairly stolen via White Privilege.

Not sure what to do with the Blue Field. Pretty sure the Stars can stay.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (+jsVQ)

23 "Dude, the old guy was just about to close the deal."

Poor old guy.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (LA7Cm)

24 Like I was saying previously, though, it's pretty clear the GOPe doesn't actually see this as a problem- as a blow against the Republic. They see it as some game, or some "purely political" issue. They don't associate their actions or lack of action with effects in the real world.

So they won't do anything substantive to stop it, because it's "just a game" to them.

I can only hope there's enough outrage from the grass-roots to force them to at least pretend to take it seriously.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (M1uf/)

25 21 There's more kabuki theater at work on immigration than at a five-day Kabukithon in Kyoto.
Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (RD7QR)

More like bukkake theater.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 10:45 AM (DrWcr)

26 Ted Cruz has a good idea...too bad Juan, MC Turtle, Teeth and the other good ol' boys will not be having any of that.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2014 10:45 AM (o2Jt2)

27 But. . .but Reagan did it too!

You like Reagan, don't you, teabaggers?

Posted by: John Boehner, Man of Tan at November 20, 2014 10:45 AM (zF6Iw)

28 Continuing resolution?

Hmmmmmm. Here's a thought . . .

How about we actually have a national budget for the first time since fiscal year 2008?

Or would that reveal the fact that both parties have been in on a spending spree that added the 2009 "Stimulous" amount of 900M to each year's baseline?

I.e., National Fucking Bankruptcy.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 20, 2014 10:45 AM (IIzob)

29 Diamonds. I see diamonds with question marks on them.

Pixy Alpha 0.0.1 strikes again.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at November 20, 2014 10:45 AM (vVMIQ)

30 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2014 10:41 AM (4+IgA)

I know you're super excited to surrender but you could try reading the post first.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 20, 2014 10:45 AM (fgb4J)

31 The bottom line from the election is this: The American people want a government that works for them

Wait, what?

*I* thought "the bottom line from the election" was that the American people wanted to castrate the policies of Barack Obama and the Democrats, and move back to something resembling fiscal and foreign policy sanity.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:46 AM (M1uf/)

32 2 month CR. 3 months top. Call your congress critters if they are R. If you live in a blue state try to get blacks demanding the CBC lead an impeachment petition if EarLeader goes thru with this as it will hurt the black community. The spineless GOPe would follow along if the CBC started saying "this 50% white, 30% arab, only 20% black con man is screwing over our people" hey a gal can dream.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 20, 2014 10:46 AM (7w/kf)

33 How many times has the Obstructionist Hairy Reed violated the law by not passing a budget?

And why are no Repumpkins calling him out on it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 10:46 AM (0HooB)

34 The GOP is going to radicalize the American People.

Why should the People continue to lawfully give the GOP power to enforce the Law and the Constitution, if the GOP later refuses to use that power?

The People will seek out other remedies.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2014 10:47 AM (MQEz6)

35 America needs bi-partisan solutions for working families, not more extremist rhetoric from people like Ted Cruz.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at November 20, 2014 10:47 AM (Ks4nX)

36 The Founding Fathers would already be shooting. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 10:47 AM (DrWcr)

37 Establishment Republicans are terrified of Cruz, because he likes to fight, and they think fighting is "unseemly". (In his original Senate race, David Dewhurst was shocked that Cruz wouldn't let him take the seat by acclamation)

and Democrats are also terrified of Cruz because he likes to fight. Well that, and he tends to win.

So all the op-ed pieces and all the news articles and all of the MSM and all of the establishment Republicans talk non-stop about what a horrible person Ted Cruz is, and how he isn't "collegial" and "doesn't have influence", because he believes in fighting, and that scares the hell out of everybody.

As Lincoln found out with Grant, if you're going to win a war, you need a General who wants to Fight and who is very, very good at it. In fact, if you really want to win that war, nothing else really matters.

Boehner doesn't have guts to fight this war, and neither does McConnell. But we all know someone who does, and the more bad things they say about him, the more you know he is the one to do it.

Patton never made a lot of friends on the general staff, either.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2014 10:47 AM (Kpl3J)

38 This whole mess has me literally sick to my stomach. Been avoiding the news. Never hated a public official so much in all my 39 years. I asked my dad if he was pulling his hair out during the Carter years, and he said they were a piece of cake compared to this crap, even with the insane interest rates.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 10:48 AM (5ZFPz)

39 And why are no Repumpkins calling him out on it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 10:46 AM (0HooB)
The answer always seems to come up...they are in on it. A budget would screw up the open checkbook.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2014 10:48 AM (o2Jt2)

40 Separation of powers buys you nothing if the other two branches are occupied by spineless eunuchs (ie, Republicans).

Posted by: Judas Iscariot Roberts, C.J. at November 20, 2014 10:48 AM (hKyl0)

41 Boiled down to simple language: we're screwed. Fully and irreversibly.

I know what should happen -- and should have happened six years ago -- but I also know what will happen:

Choom Boy wins. Congress goes along. One or two Senators and Representatives whine just enough to be anointed True Conservative Heroes.

The "conservative" media gets distracted by the usual array of Squirrels and Shiny Stuff -- "oooh! Look over there! Gruber!!11!!" Of course the Komputer Kommandos will fume and fuss and advocate grand schemes that, in the end, amount to nothing.

If you can't already speak Spanish, learn it now. Also Chinese and Arabic.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 10:48 AM (PoKIA)

42 I'm as angry as you are, my fellow Republicans.

Posted by: Mary Landrieu at November 20, 2014 10:49 AM (evdj2)

43 Joncelli, it's more like Bukkakke Theater, with the Repubs acting as the willing recipients.

Face . . . Palm?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 20, 2014 10:49 AM (IIzob)

44 So... congress doesn't confirm obama's picks? What will they do if he just tells the people he is picking to show up for work and he will see to it they are eventually confirmed?

Not that it will come down to that, congress has no balls.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 20, 2014 10:49 AM (8ir5b)

45 I just don't get these "Surrender first" republicans. They just won the election. Who cares if they get bad press in January of 2015? Government shutdowns are a feature not a bug. The Dems had no problems using them, even against their own presidents. Why does our side have no stomach for fighting? Hell, for preserving their own power? And why pass a CR at all? CRs were just Harry Reid's way of avoiding tough votes for his members. We WANT Obola to have tough vetoes! Its like they want to lose in 2016. If the press is telling you that shutdowns are a bad thing, and you know the press hates your guts, why are you listening to them? Why aren't you doing the exact opposite of what they say? And lets be honest, government shutdowns only hurt liberal constituents anyway, so why the hesitation to screw 'em? They do it to us every fucking day.

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 10:50 AM (U0ndG)

46 >>Country trumps individual political ambition.Country trumps party.

Defund the damn order.

THIS!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 10:50 AM (ABcz/)

47 25th Amendment finding in the Senate. Remove His Communist Whore's Son from office by prima facie inability to perform the duties of the office and under the constraints of the Constitution by which he swore.

Deal with Honorary Shire Sheriff Biden as it comes, but remove the tyrant before blood is required.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 20, 2014 10:50 AM (vmltA)

48 43 Joncelli, it's more like Bukkakke Theater, with the Repubs acting as the willing recipients.

Face . . . Palm?
Posted by: Sharkman at November 20, 2014 10:49 AM (IIzob)

Well, if you're describing the order of events it would be the other way around but I get the message.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 10:50 AM (RD7QR)

49
Red, White, and Green stripes. And only Twelve ... the missing one symbolizing what we've unfairly stolen via White Privilege.

-
Shouldn't there be some yellow in there for the Repugs?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 10:51 AM (kXTY/)

50 It's not about politics, it's about the destruction of the Constitutional order. That throat clearing aside, I appreciate reading discussions of the issue that a. acknowledge the seriousness of the threat and b. discuss what can be done practically without hurling invective at either the base or the Establishment.

Now that I've been reasonable (arrrrgghh hives hives hives), here's the bitchery.

PASS A BUDGET. THAT'S A THING THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION AND LAW TO DO YOU DIMWITTED JACKANAPE!

Also, when the voters give the current Congress the pimp hand? Yeah, the moral of that story is not that the current Congress should then totes finish up stuff before the new Congress comes in.

Here. *shoves flashcards through USB for Rogers*

I think you might need these to help you remember how to breathe.

Posted by: alexthechick - Right round baby right round at November 20, 2014 10:51 AM (mf5HN)

51 47 25th Amendment finding in the Senate. Remove His Communist Whore's Son from office by prima facie inability to perform the duties of the office and under the constraints of the Constitution by which he swore.

Deal with Honorary Shire Sheriff Biden as it comes, but remove the tyrant before blood is required.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 20, 2014 10:50 AM (vmltA)

Don't the VP and the cabinet have to initiate a 25A finding?

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 10:52 AM (RD7QR)

52 I'll be in my bunk, Your Grace.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 10:52 AM (evdj2)

53 Establishment Republicans are terrified of Cruz,
because he likes to fight, and they think fighting is "unseemly".

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2014 10:47 AM

I guess in the land of eunuchs the man who advocates torturing our enemies via the Comfy Chair is king.

Let me know when Big Bad Ted advocates holding Choom Boy to the law by calling for his impeachment. Until then, it's just windbaggery.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 10:52 AM (PoKIA)

54 What I am saying is - let's do all we can to avoid open civil war, even if it costs all of our Senators and Congressmembers their pensions and positions. Blood is too expensive to spend to fire an asshole who can be removed with a simple majority vote in the Senate.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 20, 2014 10:53 AM (vmltA)

55 Rather bad day and I'm pretty damned cranky. We have a POTUS that is consumed with himself. He does not care. He'll stomp his feet, throw a fit to get momma to buy that toy he wants. Doesn't care if he makes an ass of himself in public in the process.

The country does not want this but he's going to make that ass of himself just to spite it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2014 10:53 AM (LA7Cm)

56
Pebbles the Cockatoo reacts to the news that the GOP says they'll now show some spine.

http://tinyurl.com/lf5xrac

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2014 10:53 AM (TIIx5)

57 Balls deep?

The GOP penetration nation?

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 10:53 AM (Z36SR)

58 I have an uneasy feeling about my hind quarters today.

Posted by: The mark at November 20, 2014 10:54 AM (XzRw1)

59 Shutting government down now is a good opportunity to put the focus on bad government practice of continuing budget resolutions and omnibus spending bills. Getting the budgetary house in order is going to take time. Sell the shut down as a form of restructuring that happens due to bankruptcy. This happens a lot to companies and even individuals. The message to sell is that we are working on the restructuring. Also regaining budgetary discipline would be a big accomplishment.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 10:54 AM (UccCH)

60 #51 - it just needs to come from Joey Boy, and I have a feeling he's easy to convince.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 20, 2014 10:54 AM (vmltA)

61 Don't look at me y'all. I voted for one of the few Senators worth a damn on this.

Startin' to run out of giveadamn. If nobody with the capability is going to step up, I may as well just work on getting me and mine through it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 10:55 AM (zWC0k)

62 The constitution was designed to work for people of good will and character. The Donks have no good will and the Pugs have no character.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 10:55 AM (kXTY/)

63 54
What I am saying is - let's do all we can to avoid open civil war, even
if it costs all of our Senators and Congressmembers their pensions and
positions. Blood is too expensive to spend to fire an asshole who can be
removed with a simple majority vote in the Senate.

Glenn? Glenn Beck?

Posted by: The mark at November 20, 2014 10:55 AM (XzRw1)

64 I have an uneasy feeling about my hind quarters today.
Posted by: The mark at November 20, 2014 10:54 AM (XzRw1)

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (M1uf/)

65 I think he hurt The Republic. I think The Republic IS hurt. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's handler next to me is saying it. You may hear her. DOWN GOES THE REPUBLIC ! DOWN GOES THE REPUBLIC ! DOWN GOES THE REPUBLIC ! The Great American Experiment is taking the mandatory eight-count and Obama is as high as can be in Las Vegas !

Posted by: Zombie Howard Cosell at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (+jsVQ)

66 I'll be in my bunk, Your Grace.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 10:52 AM (evdj2)

Consider it recompense for my yoinking of Emstompenating.

Posted by: alexthechick - Right round baby right round at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (mf5HN)

67 Listen up, you f_cking Republicans:

Our country and our Constitution are on the line. Grow a pair of G_ddamned balls and gut amnesty and gut Obamacare. You were explicitly elected to do both of these things.

Fulfill your motherf_cking Prime Directive, dammit!.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (wtvvX)

68 Even Barky must be amazed at how easy it is to destroy the country.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (zF6Iw)

69 34 The GOP is going to radicalize the American People.
The People will seek out other remedies.
Posted by: eman

Eman, Sen. Coburn warned of the same thing. I am thisclose to going full Ferguson -- and I am a middle aged woman who would get my butt kicked. If I saw a bunch of people going Ferguson, I would join them. I've been swallowing my rage at how this country has been going for a long time now, if the ballot box isn't teaching either Obama or the GOP, may be time for more direct action.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (hslAc)

70 Shutdown opens a debate of messages. There are good messages to defend the shutdown as a transition to more responsible financial diligence.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (UccCH)

71 38 This whole mess has me literally sick to my stomach. Been avoiding the news. Never hated a public official so much in all my 39 years. I asked my dad if he was pulling his hair out during the Carter years, and he said they were a piece of cake compared to this crap, even with the insane interest rates.
Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 10:48 AM (5ZFPz)

I agree with your father. Carter was bad, very bad, but I never doubted his patriotism. His judgment, intelligence, common sense, and ancestry, sure, but never his patriotism.

Btw, in fairness, the interest rates were not Carter's doing, they were Paul Volcker's at the Fed. They were necessary because lenders were expecting inflation to continue and increase, doubting the government's resolve to fight it. Volcker disabused them of that expectation by raising interest rates, showing the government had the nerve to take the pain. His doing that laid the foundation for the economic explosion of the Reagan years (and also cost Carter re-election, thank God).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (oKE6c)

72 68 Even Barky must be amazed at how easy it is to destroy the country.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (zF6Iw)

A phone, a pen, and a complicit media. That's all it took.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 10:57 AM (DrWcr)

73 They need to gut this like a deer

Drain the blood fromit (money), then cut it up

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 10:57 AM (Z36SR)

74 (rhetorical question- even without an amnesty fight, why would the GOP let Harry
Reid have so much control of the spending for the rest of the fiscal
year?).
<<<<<
FIFY - because we all know why.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2014 10:57 AM (1nB6R)

75 "Country trumps individual political ambition.Country trumps party.

Defund the damn order."

********
How do you defund non-action?

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 20, 2014 10:57 AM (vgIRn)

76 We will see that the repukes won't even be able to set off a tempest in a teapot. Ineffective is the charitable thing to call them. Some will step shyly up to a camera and shake their tiny fists but past that, this amnesty thing is a done deal. Like everything Teh JEF does, he will get away with this too.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at November 20, 2014 10:58 AM (32Ze2)

77 MrScribbler, a few Maya dialects can't hurt either. Tzeltzal would be my choice

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2014 10:58 AM (Yc4/E)

78 69 34 The GOP is going to radicalize the American People.
The People will seek out other remedies.
Posted by: eman
Eman, Sen. Coburn warned of the same thing. I am thisclose to going full Ferguson -- and I am a middle aged woman who would get my butt kicked. If I saw a bunch of people going Ferguson, I would join them. I've been swallowing my rage at how this country has been going for a long time now, if the ballot box isn't teaching either Obama or the GOP, may be time for more direct action.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (hslAc)

I say yet again: we're living in Spain, ca. 1935. It's not too late to pull back from the abyss, but it's close, and we may plunge into the abyss tonight.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 10:58 AM (oKE6c)

79 Now that I've been reasonable (arrrrgghh hives hives hives), here's the bitchery.

Ma'am, I've seen the infographic. Our "reasonability" rating is far too high and it's damaging our rep. Just go straight to teh bitchy, it's what I pay the Platinum sub for after all!

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 10:58 AM (zWC0k)

80 The Federal Empire is real.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2014 10:58 AM (MQEz6)

81 Drem: Fuckin-A.

That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (NJVms)

82 5 minutes after Obama signs this Executive Order, Boehner should file a lawsuit in Federal Court that the President has violated Article I Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, demanding an immediate injunction on Obama's Executive Order. We have three Branches of government for a reason, two out of three have to agree on any course of action.

The Executive Branch says they have this power, the Legislative Branch says they don't, put it to the Judicial Branch to settle the dispute.

Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (LiN1N)

83 "a complicit media. That's all it took."

Huh. Second look at D-Lamp's newsletter?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (Yc4/E)

84 Okay...

So to cheer me from this depressing post, I think I'm going to go read some Poe and Dickinson...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (M1uf/)

85 I hate to be a coward but I don't think I can watch tonight.

Is their going to be a GOP response?

I just can't watch my country lay down like a whore

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (Z36SR)

86 Ted Cruz is awesome, but I don't trust Ole Dried Appleface (McConnell) to back him up on this.

Posted by: Jen at November 20, 2014 11:00 AM (Mv/2X)

87 Media opprobrium in January 2015 is less consequential to Republican
electoral prospects than millions of disgusted Republican voters staying
at home in November 2016.

This is the key bit. The GOP will not recover if they balk.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2014 11:00 AM (YXmuI)

88 83 "a complicit media. That's all it took."

Huh. Second look at D-Lamp's newsletter?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (Yc4/E)

I think he's absolutely right that the MFM is a Fifth Column.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:00 AM (DrWcr)

89 You better do what we say or we'll say nasty things about you!!

Well, nastier than normal you sub-human gutter trash.

We'll have Jon Stewart make funny faces at you and shout bleeped curse-words at you!

We'll have Lena Dunham write an episode about how you are all sexy rapists!!

Posted by: ProgMedia at November 20, 2014 11:01 AM (ZPrif)

90 Btw, in fairness, the interest rates were not
Carter's doing, they were Paul Volcker's at the Fed. They were necessary
because lenders were expecting inflation to continue and increase,
doubting the government's resolve to fight it. Volcker disabused them of
that expectation by raising interest rates, showing the government had
the nerve to take the pain. His doing that laid the foundation for the
economic explosion of the Reagan years (and also cost Carter
re-election, thank God).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 10:56 AM (oKE6c)

Volcker had balls. He knew we had to go through some temporary suffering to fix the economy, and he did not waiver. I remember at one hearing, someone (can't remember who or why) was just ripping him a new one, repeatedly calling on him to resign. He held fast and got us through an extaordinary mess, IMO...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 20, 2014 11:01 AM (wtvvX)

91 I give up.

Posted by: PJ at November 20, 2014 11:01 AM (cHuNI)

92 So to cheer me from this depressing post, I think I'm going to go read some Poe and Dickinson...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (M1uf/)

Cormac McCarthy. Always cheers me right up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:01 AM (DrWcr)

93 I think he's absolutely right that the MFM is a Fifth Column.

Maniacal (in the classic sense) != "Wrong."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:02 AM (M1uf/)

94 These GOP assholes are *NOT* ineffective and weak.

They are complicit. They are doing what they do with purpose and direction, it cannot be any other. Look at what they do not what they say.

They are the real problem.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 11:02 AM (NJVms)

95 Look, we already hate you -- but if you don't do what we say then ... we'll hate you more! Like, alot more. Like alot alot.

Posted by: ProgMedia at November 20, 2014 11:02 AM (ZPrif)

96 Wait, wait, wait ...

Somebody's laying down like a whore tonite ?

OK, I can spare five minutes. Ten at most.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 20, 2014 11:02 AM (+jsVQ)

97 Media will continue to trash Republicans (and fawn over Hillary in 2016) regardless of what Republicans do about amnesty.

Exactly right. No matter what the Republicans do they'll always be the villains so shut it down

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2014 11:02 AM (1Jaio)

98 Now this is the old DrewM I know.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 20, 2014 11:03 AM (yshTX)

99 49 Red, White, and Green stripes. And only Twelve ... the missing one symbolizing what we've unfairly stolen via White Privilege.
-
Shouldn't there be some yellow in there for the Repugs?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 10:51 AM (kXTY/)

I'm confused. Where do the hammer and sickle go?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:03 AM (oKE6c)

100 I think he's absolutely right that the MFM is a Fifth Column.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:00 AM (DrWcr)

OH HELL YES.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 20, 2014 11:03 AM (wtvvX)

101 The silent accomplices are the government employees and contractors who contentedly put in their hours thinking they have not responsibility at all about the constitutionality of what they are asked to do. Their pay and benefits are more important than even the investment of their time to consider the constitutional justification for their tasks. Constitutional battles are someone else's problem.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 11:03 AM (UccCH)

102 OK, I can spare five minutes. Ten at most.
Posted by: ScoggDog at November 20, 2014 11:02 AM (+jsVQ)

With John Boehner and Mitch McConnell?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:03 AM (M1uf/)

103 Cochran, head of Appropriations said he will NOT use the funding process to restrict Obama on immigration next year, and Enzi plans to oust Sessions for Budget Chair.

Sounds like Mitch and company WANT amnesty for 2016 GOPe candidate.

Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 11:03 AM (cgrL5)

104 Ted Cruz is awesome, but I don't trust Ole Dried Appleface (McConnell) to back him up on this.

Posted by: Jen at November 20, 2014 11:00 AM

Frankly, I thank G*d that people like Cruz and the rest of the "Republicans" in Congress weren't around to screw things up in 1776 and 1941.

Our history is about to become the only thing for which American citizens can feel pride.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 11:04 AM (PoKIA)

105 Somewhere near a national park, a busload of rangers hopped up on energy drinks is gearing up for a swat-like assault on resort full of bluehairs.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2014 11:04 AM (UzPAd)

106

At this point, what difference does it make.

Works here

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:04 AM (Z36SR)

107 92
So to cheer me from this depressing post, I think I'm going to go read some Poe and Dickinson...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (M1uf/)

Cormac McCarthy. Always cheers me right up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:01 AM (DrWcr)

Sylvia Plath...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 20, 2014 11:04 AM (wtvvX)

108 Okay...

So to cheer me from this depressing post, I think I'm going to go read some Poe and Dickinson...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (M1uf/)

Here. This should help.

http://youtu.be/YjSA6wUdHH4

And then there's this for me.

http://youtu.be/NhU_XnWXgH4

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:04 AM (mf5HN)

109 >>They are the real problem.

No, Obama is the real problem.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (ABcz/)

110 Let's think about this: we are in a national cris; the crisis was created by Obama and the Democrats; they are operating lawlessly; and the only recourse left to those who don't want a Soviet style future is through legitimate political operations, or secession and Civil war. Either option would have to involve leadership, which is where we seem to be in the process. So, who leads us?

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (5+mPY)

111 Just make Cruz de facto POTUS.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (IXrOn)

112 Play the Empire Theme from Star Wars instead of the National Anthem.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (MQEz6)

113 Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (Z36SR)

I'd rather have a colonoscopy while fully conscious than watch tonight. It'll feel the same in the end.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (5ZFPz)

114 Here. This should help.

http://youtu.be/YjSA6wUdHH4

Thank you, You Imperialness.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:06 AM (M1uf/)

115 Here. This should help.

http://youtu.be/YjSA6wUdHH4

Well that certainly elevated my...mood. Yeah. Mood.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:06 AM (DrWcr)

116 >>Cormac McCarthy. Always cheers me right up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:01 AM (DrWcr)

>>Sylvia Plath.

Maybe a little Dennis Lehane, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:06 AM (ABcz/)

117 NO

1) ONLY fund to Feb. when the new Congress sits

2) The Fund one Department at a time starting with Defense

3) Let Fredo use his Veto and shut the Gov Down

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2014 11:06 AM (M0mf2)

118 A shutdown isn't a means to an end. The shutdown is the winning end condition.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 20, 2014 11:06 AM (zauWW)

119 So, who leads us?
Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (5+mPY)

I'll go get my hat.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (mf5HN)

120 I just can't watch my country lay down like a whore
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (Z36SR)

At least a whore gets some money out of the deal.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (W5DcG)

121
my yoinking of Emstompenating

That sounds dirty.

In a good way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (JtwS4)

122 Play the Empire Theme from Star Wars instead of the National Anthem.

Nope. TFG doesn't deserve ~~Mars- Bringer of War~~ The Imperial March.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (M1uf/)

123 Don't be Gruber bait.

Threadwinner!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (tvSum)

124 Demasiado tarde. La solución está en

Posted by: Jose Mamacita at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (m2yGo)

125 The Gospel passage proclaimed at Catholic Mass today from Luke 19:41-44....

Jesus weeps over Jerusalem, saying: "The days are coming upon you when your enemies will raise a palisade against you; the will encircle you and hem you in on all sides. [...] they will not leave once stone upon another within you.....

Given the timing, I listened to those words with dread and forboding.....

Wish I had a kitteh photo to post right now.

Posted by: ocd con at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (ZYzBq)

126 >>At least a whore gets some money out of the deal.

I know, right?

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (ABcz/)

127 I would rather give myself a hysterectomy with a garden claw than watch the JEF tonight

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (Z36SR)

128 Oh, bs.

The R's are just as in favor of all this krap as the D's.

Until we get an opposition party, nothing will change.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (go6ud)

129 think he's absolutely right that the MFM is a Fifth Column.

-
The fourth estate is the fifth column.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (kXTY/)

130 Sadly, probably true.

@RebeccaShabad: BOOM: Appropriations panel: Defunding immigration order 'impossible' http://t.co/njm5pSXql4

It would be "impossible" to defund President Obama's executive order through a government spending bill, House Appropriations Committee spokeswoman Jennifer Hing said Thursday.

Congress doesn't provide funding to U.S. Citizenship and Immgiration Services (CIS), the agency responsible for issuing work permits and green cards. Instead, the agency is funded through fees.

"We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

131 So, who leads us?
Posted by: kraken

I'll go get my hat.
Posted by: alexthechick

Horde up! Scouts out! Cavalry ho!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:09 AM (tvSum)

132 "No, Obama is the real problem.

Posted by: Lizzy"
And this is exactly my point. The GOP has the house and has the power to stop many - indeed not all - but much of this crap. And it does not, in fact in funds and supports Obama while speaking lies and falsehoods. They are enabler and are active in everything that Obama does.
And mind you, this is not an Obama problem either. Obama is just the figurehead. Nothing he calls for or orders is done unless all the rest of them, from congress down to the lowest bureaucrat, does his bidding. Blaming Obama is not going to solve this.
Kicking the ass of the whole lot, starting with the feckless and detestable GOP is what needs to happen.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 11:09 AM (NJVms)

133 >>I would rather give myself a hysterectomy with a garden claw than watch the JEF tonight

Well, it's not mandatory to watch Dear Leader's pronouncements yet, so I will be skipping it, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:09 AM (ABcz/)

134 112 Play the Empire Theme from Star Wars instead of the National Anthem.
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (MQEz6)

If he enters dressed in a black cowl we know the jig is up.

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

135 109 >>They are the real problem.
No, Obama is the real problem.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (ABcz/)

No, Obama is a symptom.

The real problem is Red penetration of the media. All else follows from that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:09 AM (oKE6c)

136 I'd like to see the Republicans come up with a Tax Amnesty plan. They can sell it like this: "Why Should non-citizens be the only ones allowed to ignore our laws?"
Or: "Why should citizens have to pay when government doesn't do its job?"
And they can say "As Congress we just deem it law"

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (U0ndG)

137 Congressional lawsuit against the president: another joke on the stupidity of the american people to realize that even if the court finds in congress's favor, the two combined have no force to stop the president. A lawsuit would take years and that is enough time for the people to not even realize they have been made a fool again.

There is a reason why the constitution required oaths of office. It was meant to obligate them to do the hard stuff in the constitution, even when hard means really hard.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (UccCH)

138 Cormac McCarthy. Always cheers me right up.

Blood Meridian is soothing bedtime reading.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (evdj2)

139 Thanksgiving Tacos just doesn't seem the same.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (+jsVQ)

140 Ted Cruz/ Trey Gowdey ticket in 2016. I don't care what order.

Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (xWW96)

141 Question... if CIS is entirely fee-funded...
Who sets those fees?

Also- who will be paying those fees? Because I guarantee you 15 million illegals won't be. That would be "racist."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (M1uf/)

142 The fourth estate is the fifth column.

Next to the sixth pillar.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (tvSum)

143 119 So, who leads us?
Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:05 AM (5+mPY)

I'll go get my hat.
Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:07 AM (mf5HN)
Well, I would follow you to the Gates of Mordor, but you're so touchy about that damned Ring, so whatever.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (5+mPY)

144 If he enters dressed in a black cowl we know the jig is up.

Raycissssss.

Posted by: PC Po Po at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (m2yGo)

145 They can deny the funds for the contract to print the documents, sure they can

They can deny the funding for the staffing of the agency that processes the applications

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (Z36SR)

146 "We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in
an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That
agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM

So Congress has lame excuses for their pathetic excuses.

Whodathunkit?

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (PoKIA)

147 130 Sadly, probably true.

@RebeccaShabad: BOOM: Appropriations panel: Defunding immigration order 'impossible' http://t.co/njm5pSXql4

It would be "impossible" to defund President Obama's executive order through a government spending bill, House Appropriations Committee spokeswoman Jennifer Hing said Thursday.

Congress doesn't provide funding to U.S. Citizenship and Immgiration Services (CIS), the agency responsible for issuing work permits and green cards. Instead, the agency is funded through fees.

"We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

The center does not hold.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (MQEz6)

148 There have been commie rat bastards in America for 100 years.

They just didn't used to make it to President.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (ZPrif)

149 I was walking down the hall a few minutes ago and felt the earth shake alittle. Got to my computer and read that AtC was being "reasonable". Said to myself that explains the earth moving.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (sWgE+)

150

Coincidence? Obama to Announce Executive Amnesty on National Revolution Day in Mexico

You know what other "groups" plan attacks on our country on particular dates?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (IXrOn)

151 Greg Abbott ran ad after ad after ad talking about securing the border.

And won 44% of the Hispanic vote, more than, IIRC, even W did.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (VjL9S)

152 If he enters dressed in a black cowl we know the jig is up.
Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

Maybe he will wear the suit they gave him in China.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (W5DcG)

153 AFTER BARACK I ISSUES HIS AMNESTY DECREE, THE BALL IS IN THE GOP'S COURT!?!?!

Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (Rx8ML)

154 "We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in
an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That
agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

Then cut elsewhere, for Christ's sake, and tell them you'll keep cutting until and unless you see movement. Start with food stamps and subvention for EBT, for openers. Hit Obama's worthless constituents first by demobbing the FSA.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (oKE6c)

155 Thanksgiving Tacos just doesn't seem the same.

Have a cabrito roast!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (tvSum)

156 The entire Zero administration needs to take up the black hoodie as official attire for public appearances.

Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (xWW96)

157 "We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

Know what I don't want to hear, Hing, what you can't do... go figure out what you can do or talk to Ted Cruz

Posted by: MikeH at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (DNTer)

158 A Federal budget would take away the punchbowl.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (JO9+V)

159 Don't forget Congress could just abolish CIS, or its parent agency. Defunding isn't its only option.

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (U0ndG)

160 After Barack I Issues His Amnesty Decree, The Ball Is In The GOP's Court

So what you are saying is we are effed, right?

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (Rx8ML)

161 put it to the Judicial Branch to settle the dispute.Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2014 10:59 AM (LiN1N)

So the fate of the republic hinges - again - on Justice Kennedy?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (fwARV)

162 >>>I would rather give myself a hysterectomy with a garden claw than watch the JEF tonight<<<

Obamacare mandates you pay a penalty tax on that garden claw if used as a medical device.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (UzPAd)

163 Thanksgiving Tacos just doesn't seem the same.

But Thanksgiving (and Christmas) tamales are wonderful.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (M1uf/)

164 151 Greg Abbott ran ad after ad after ad talking about securing the border.

And won 44% of the Hispanic vote, more than, IIRC, even W did.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (VjL9S)

I suspect that's because, contrary to the current "wisdom" on the subject, Hispanics that are here legally aren't real happy with the flood of assholes coming here illegally.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (DrWcr)

165 >>"We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations
bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is
entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.

Aren't there other federal agencies that facilitate - such as entitlements? Can the states not fund services for them? I can't believe there is *no way* to stop this via funding.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (ABcz/)

166 Well, I would follow you to the Gates of Mordor, but you're so touchy about that damned Ring, so whatever.
Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (5+mPY)

People need to stop touching my stuff.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (mf5HN)

167 They can deny the funds for the contract to print the documents, sure they can

They can deny the funding for the staffing of the agency that processes the applications
--
I'm no expert on this. The lady quoted in the Hill piece is probably a Democrat, so maybe she's lying.

But if the agency (CIS) is really funded entirely be fees and doesn't get money appropriated from Congress -- then how does Congress cut off the money.

Congress can pass a law to change how CIS is funded -- but Obama can veto that law.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

168 I think Boner and the Turtle's strategy is to surrender this time but next time, hooo boy! You know, just like last time.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (kXTY/)

169 People need to stop touching my stuff.
Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (mf5HN)

Nasty tricksy hobbitses!

Posted by: Smeagol at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (DrWcr)

170
Know what I don't want to hear, Hing, what you can't do... go figure out what you can do or talk to Ted Cruz
Posted by: MikeH at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM (DNTer)

THIS.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (oKE6c)

171 People need to stop touching my stuff.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:13 AM (mf5HN)

Lighten up, Francis!

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (Rx8ML)

172 So the fate of the republic hinges - again - on Justice Kennedy?

Kennedy has shown himself to be a rock-ribbed Libertarian, which is far better than that quisling Roberts.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (M1uf/)

173 It seems the government and its bureaucrats forgot who they work for

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (Z36SR)

174 Too bad the GOP didn't fight Obama in 2011, you know, when they were given the power and directive to do so.

People are slowly realizing the Federal Empire is real.

Posted by: eman at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (MQEz6)

175 Hey AtC parents are up to 75 inches of snow. You better get a longer snorkel.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (sWgE+)

176 173 It seems the government and its bureaucrats forgot who they work for
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (Z36SR)

The only time they even see the people is when they look down to see what they're stepping on.

(shamelessly paraphrased/stolen from Die Hard 2)

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (DrWcr)

177 Continuing resolutions are wrong by demanding real budgets. Shutdown is justified now because of the irresponsible budget gimmick of continuing comprehensive budget resolutions. It's time for financial restructuring, and such restructuring occurs during a period of shutdown and incremental start-ups.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (UccCH)

178 I'd really like someone with know-how to analyze that Hill piece.

If that Hill piece is right then we're just fucked.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)

179 Congress can pass a law to change how CIS is funded -- but Obama can veto that law.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

I say again: cut welfare programs to the bone. Hurt Obama's constituents ... hard. No giveaways: if you're able-bodied and don't work, you don't eat.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (oKE6c)

180 148 There have been commie rat bastards in America for 100 years.

They just didn't used to make it to President.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:11 AM (ZPrif)
And they ARE Communists, and not the squishy, Euro-trash kind. They are full tilt Bolsheviks at heart, you know the kind that just would love to march you off to languish and die in Nebraska. They lust for POWER. This is from their own words, if we read them carefully.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (5+mPY)

181 No giveaways: if you're able-bodied and don't work, you don't eat.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (oKE6c)

That's downright Biblical of you.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (DrWcr)

182 What I don't understand is why the Republicans aren't taking this opportunity to make a media spectacle of this. They should be explaining to the American people how this action, among many others, violates his constitutional authority and thus lay the groundwork for their retaliatory actions, up to and including impeachment.

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (U0ndG)

183 Esta noche cenamos en el infierno.

Posted by: Jose Mamacita at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (m2yGo)

184 Budgets are racist. Or something. So we better not do them.

We should continue doing what we are doing, which is just taking a shit-ton of money, giving it to the administration, and say do whatever.

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2014 11:17 AM (Rx8ML)

185 What I don't understand is why the Republicans aren't taking this opportunity to make a media spectacle of this.

Again, because THEY'RE IN ON IT.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:17 AM (evdj2)

186 What I don't understand is why the Republicans aren't taking this opportunity to make a media spectacle of this. They should be explaining to the American people how this action, among many others, violates his constitutional authority and thus lay the groundwork for their retaliatory actions, up to and including impeachment.

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (U0ndG)

Oh. MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN are going to give them an outlet to disseminate that message?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 11:17 AM (fwARV)

187 This is the hill. The one to die on

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:17 AM (Z36SR)

188 "We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.

A self-sustaining department of government?

Now why don't I believe that?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (0HooB)

189 go figure out what you can do or talk to Ted Cruz

Posted by: MikeH at November 20, 2014 11:12 AM

Am I missing something here?

Unless I'm totally wrong, Cruz is advocating withholding money from Choom Boy to stop an action that essentially requires no money.

And he's advocating doing it next year after the action has been ordered and is essentially irreversible.

Yeah, what a gutsy move!

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (PoKIA)

190 "We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.

So we have autonomous Federal agencies, totally self-supporting, lacking ANY Congressional oversight or controls? Wonderful.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (JO9+V)

191 Appropriations panel: Defunding immigration order 'impossible' http://t.co/njm5pSXql4

Who appoints House Approp Ctte spokewoman? She must be a Repub right, since Repubs control the House.

Or is there some civil service bs rules that end up with progs as spokesmen for Repub controlled committees?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (ZPrif)

192 But if the agency (CIS) is really funded entirely be fees and doesn't
get money appropriated from Congress -- then how does Congress cut off
the money.

As others have pointed out- hit the ancillary targets. Defund National (we haven't had a Federal government in years) welfare.

But there's also the question of who is paying those fees in the first place. For the normal process, people have to start paying the fees up front, so legal immigrants either provide their own, or have someone (usually a family member) pay for them.

The illegal aliens won't be able to afford those fees, not the majority of them, so who pays? Sure, La Raza will step up some, but they can't fund all of them (or, come to that, very many of them, on the grand scale). So where is that money going to come from? Or is TFG going to order the normal fees waived (oh, please let him do that)?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (M1uf/)

193 I'm sad for your country and I'm praying. But maybe this will turn to fecal matter in Obama's hands like everything else he's ever touched.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (AkoL+)

194 >> Here. This should help.

Kate Upton's boobs for President.

They could address the nation frequently. I'd watch, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2014 11:19 AM (6eBQ1)

195 181 No giveaways: if you're able-bodied and don't work, you don't eat.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:15 AM (oKE6c)
That's downright Biblical of you.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (DrWcr)

I'm channeling Jamestown, ca. 1600.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:19 AM (oKE6c)

196 Enzi plans to oust Sessions for Budget Chair.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought Enzi was pretty decent, especially on immigration? Or am I missing some info here?

As for those of you discussing alternate solutions: Always be careful what you discuss where the enemy can hear it. Signal discipline, people, signal discipline...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 11:19 AM (zWC0k)

197 Possible response for the Horde to kick around: call for a constitutional convention?

Posted by: Piercello at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (JybVy)

198 The illegal aliens won't be able to afford those fees, not the majority of them, so who pays?

Isn't the Mexican gov't playing a role in this? I seem to recall something to that effect...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (zWC0k)

199 Maybe he will wear the suit they gave him in China.

-
Ah, his Omingo the Merciless suit.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (kXTY/)

200 Subpoena every employee of CIS and keep them at the Capitol gym waiting to testify. Do this for several months.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (evdj2)

201 I'm channeling Jamestown, ca. 1600.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:19 AM (oKE6c)

Meanwhile the country is channeling Jonestown, ca. 1978.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (DrWcr)

202 Oh. MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN are going to give them an outlet to disseminate that message?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 11:17 AM (fwARV)

I'm thinking of going on gaming sites, social media, radio, and buying ads on SportsCenter. Bypass the "gatekeepers".

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (U0ndG)

203 Unless I'm totally wrong, Cruz is advocating withholding money from Choom Boy to stop an action that essentially requires no money.

And he's advocating doing it next year after the action has been ordered and is essentially irreversible.

Yeah, what a gutsy move!
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (PoKIA)

An analogy, someone is strangling you, you kick him in the balls to make him stop, think it would work?

Posted by: MikeH at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (DNTer)

204 188 "We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded," Hing told reporters.
A self-sustaining department of government?
Now why don't I believe that?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 11:18 AM (0HooB)

It's hard to believe, isn't it? Maybe he was joking.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (oKE6c)

205 What I don't understand is why the Republicans aren't taking this opportunity to make a media spectacle of this. They should be explaining to the American people how this action, among many others, violates his constitutional authority and thus lay the groundwork for their retaliatory actions, up to and including impeachment.
Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 11:16 AM (U0ndG)

Exactly.

There is no coherent message. No consensus. Nothing.

The GOP looks like they are in chaos.

Time and again, they get handed a gift on a silver platter, and they grab their tails instead.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (IXrOn)

206 Congress doesn't provide funding to U.S. Citizenship and Immgiration Services (CIS), the agency responsible for issuing work permits and green cards. Instead, the agency is funded through fees.

"We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don't appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely- fee funded," Hing told reporters.

That is Texas sized bullshit. There aren't enough fees collected to cover bonuses, let alone paychecks. Then there is office equipment, pens, pencils, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (tvSum)

207 Let this Gruber business serve as a lesson to all.

There are more important things than politics. Whether something is politcally savvy is important, but it is not the most important thing. Integrity is. Long term, integrity happens to be a political winner too, as we found out in 2012 when Gruber fanboy Romney was stomped largely because no one trusts him.

Is Cruz's approach politically savvy? No one is 100% sure. Obama has so many advantages and will play hardball, and the GOP could look bad to some no matter what it does. But Cruz's approach is morally right in drawing a line on lawlessness. It is the right thing to do, and first and foremost we need to get back to this being the guiding principle. We need to get back there and stay there, and in those instances where it's a political loser, not be chickens about it.

I firmly believe in the long term that is actually a political winner of a strategy, but if it isn't, we were going to lose ultimately anyway playing by Gruber's rules. Rather go down with some integrity.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (a7sQX)

208 Ted Cruz gives me a broner.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (zxQ4h)

209 9 Balls? Nope, no balls here.

Posted by: Cryin' John Boner at November 20, 2014 10:41 AM (Qu+jw)

Es cajones ahora me amigo!

Posted by: Juan at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (HRo7B)

210 Ah, his Omingo the Merciless suit.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (kXTY/)

At least Ming had a really really hot daughter...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (DrWcr)

211 Here's a thought. An awful terrible thought and I don't particularly support my own idea but whatever.

Defund ICE entirely. I mean, if there is going to be no enforcement of immigration laws, then there's no need for ICE so fire everyone.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (mf5HN)

212 Opposing common core is like opposing civil rights.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (/nR7C)

213 That is Texas sized bullshit. There aren't enough
fees collected to cover bonuses, let alone paychecks. Then there is
office equipment, pens, pencils, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (tvSum)
Cut off power and water to their facilities.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (oKE6c)

214
Possible response for the Horde to kick around: call for a constitutional convention?

I'd vote no. The Framers were the flower of the Enlightenment.

Today we'd get a Common Core Constitution.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (JtwS4)

215 >>Unless I'm totally wrong, Cruz is advocating withholding money from Choom Boy to stop an action that essentially requires no money.

One of the things that Cruz has been advocating for is not approving any Obama appointments as long as this EO stands. Given the number of open court seats and a retiring AG, that's a pretty big threat and one I would support.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (g1DWB)

216 187 This is the hill. The one to die on
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:17 AM (Z36SR)
It really is. There is very little time left for the government to reassert itself and rein in a power mad Communist. The invasion from Latin America of millions of foreign socialists, who are lawless and servile to strong man government will ruin freedom in America unless we defend our constitution. Right now.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (5+mPY)

217 I propose we give the Stars and Stripes a facelift.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 20, 2014 10:44 AM (+jsVQ)

They should just use the Mexican flag and add a hammer & sickle

Posted by: tooltip at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (T1lV8)

218 There is no self sustaining government agency anywhere ever. There is a way to hit them.

I actually pray they are not showing all their cards right now

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (Z36SR)

219 An analogy, someone is strangling you, you kick him in the balls to make him stop, think it would work?

Posted by: MikeH at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM

More appropriate analogy for the Republicans (and this, sadly, includes Cruz) right now: someone is strangling you, and you wiggle an admonitory finger at them.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (PoKIA)

220 In today's news, white Republican men screamed about letting too many hispanics, blacks, and other people of color have a chance to improve their lives -- apparently concerned about diluting the racial purity of America and loosening the grip of the white power structure that has oppressed America for 200 years.

In other news, Kim Kardashian does anal for Diabetes Awareness!

Posted by: MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (ZPrif)

221 In other news, Kim Kardashian does anal for ~~Diabetes Awareness~~ notoriety!
Posted by: MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (ZPrif)

FTFY. And, old news.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:23 AM (DrWcr)

222 That is Texas sized bullshit. There aren't enough
fees collected to cover bonuses, let alone paychecks. Then there is
office equipment, pens, pencils, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (tvSum)
And pensions and health insurance.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 11:23 AM (XD3Sz)

223
Defund ICE entirely. I mean, if there is going to be no enforcement of immigration laws, then there's no need for ICE so fire everyone.

I like your style my lady.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 11:23 AM (sWgE+)

224 Defund ICE entirely. I mean, if there is going to
be no enforcement of immigration laws, then there's no need for ICE so
fire everyone.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 11:21 AM (mf5HN)
Nah, we'll need them, and many Border Patrol types (lots here in SoCal) are just as pissed as we are.
Kick Obama's constituents in the balls. Cut out all Federal subvention for welfare.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:23 AM (oKE6c)

225 IMMIGRATION SHOWDOWN: Protesters To Meet Obama In Las Vegas

This would be beautiful if it exceeded the millions that went to Beck's thing.

10's of millions fly in to protest.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:23 AM (IXrOn)

226 I'm thinking of going on gaming sites, social media, radio, and buying ads on SportsCenter. Bypass the "gatekeepers".

Paid any attention to #gamergate, #twittergulag, Facebook policies, and ESPN tendencies?

The gatekeepers are everywhere.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (zWC0k)

227 Exactly.

There is no coherent message. No consensus. Nothing.

The GOP looks like they are in chaos.

Time and again, they get handed a gift on a silver platter, and they grab their tails instead.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (IXrOn)

yep. Even 'conservative' talk shows are taking this cavalier wait and see attitude. gees. Haven't they seen already?

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (HRo7B)

228 >>One of the things that Cruz has been advocating for is not approving any
Obama appointments as long as this EO stands. Given the number of open
court seats and a retiring AG, that's a pretty big threat and one I
would support.

True, but what is to stop Obama from making recess appointments over Christmas?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (ABcz/)

229 I'm thinking of going on gaming sites, social media, radio, and buying ads on SportsCenter. Bypass the "gatekeepers".

Yeah, but that would be smart.

Actually, that would be smart *if* the Republicans actually cared about stopping this. It would be dumb if they either didn't care or actively wanted it to happen (which, by the by, many of them do- they've said so. Their only problem is with the Executive Fiat part, not the amnesty part).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (M1uf/)

230 The fight against His Imperial Highness is going to take months not weeks, however you slice it.

The single most important action the GOP can take is to end omnibus spending bills. Do the work, and go agency by agency. Yes, it'll be hard but Congress must win back its authority and that takes work you lazy shitheads.

Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (LISuA)

231 Why does the White House have a fence?

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (GQ8sn)

232 And I pray they are willing to use them

Just because they said no shut down doesn't mean there won't be one. Maybe it's a trap. " no we won't shut down, let's negotiate. Oh. You won't negotiate you, you want to dictate? Well now there is a shut down"

In reality the chamber of commerce groupies are happy they are getting what they want while they make the JEF the bad guy

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (Z36SR)

233 In other news, Kim Kardashian does anal for Diabetes Awareness!

Posted by: MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN at November 20, 2014 11:22 AM (ZPrif)

DIY colonoscopies are now part of Obolacare!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (oKE6c)

234 230 Yes, it'll be hard but Congress must win back its authority and that takes work you lazy shitheads.
==================

And by "lazy shitheads" I'm referring to Hal Rogers, Ryan, Boehner et al

Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2014 11:26 AM (LISuA)

235 Anal is for homos

Posted by: tooltip at November 20, 2014 11:26 AM (T1lV8)

236 US CITIZENSHIP AND IMMGIRATION SERVICES - USCIS
is a component of the US DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. www dot uscis dot gov

THERE IS YOUR DEFUNDING! Zero out the ball grabbers at the airports.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:27 AM (tvSum)

237 >>True, but what is to stop Obama from making recess appointments over Christmas?

That's the problem with Obama. He does as he pleases whether its legal or not and I honestly believe he wants to provoke a fight with Republicans.

Why not? Come January he is going to have a Congress that opposes him so why not try and force the Republicans to fight over things he wants like he's doing right now. He's got nothing to lose and he knows it.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2014 11:27 AM (g1DWB)

238 235 Anal is for homos
Posted by: tooltip at November 20, 2014 11:26 AM (T1lV

According to Government Schools, it's for everyone.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:27 AM (5+mPY)

239 "Cormac McCarthy. Always cheers me right up."

Loved the delightful "The Road"! Too bad Bob Hope is not still alive; he could make a road movie from the book.

Also, I can't wait to tune in to Univision to see the hordes of cheering Hispanics after the caudillo makes his speech. Just like New Year's. Good times.

Posted by: PJ at November 20, 2014 11:27 AM (cHuNI)

240 Congress can pass a law to change how CIS is funded -- but Obama can veto that law.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

And all those steps take time. You know Obola would take a few days to get around to doing a veto, simply because he doesn't do anything on time. So, delay, delay, delay. Throw up procedural obstacles that the regime has to take some action to overcome, even if the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Bury them under a mountain of paperwork.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 20, 2014 11:28 AM (7MWCL)

241 True, but what is to stop Obama from making recess appointments over Christmas?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (ABcz/)

Then don't recess over Christmas.

Other people have to work over the holidays, and often for things rather less important than saving the Republic.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:28 AM (M1uf/)

242 Why does the White House have a fence?

Why does The AntiChrist George Soros have a front door on his home?

Lest we forget, he's the one behind a lot of this, what with his Open Borders Initiative.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 11:28 AM (0HooB)

243 Prayer/meditation and lots of it.

It's the only way I'm going to get through the left's bullshit.

Posted by: seems legit at November 20, 2014 11:29 AM (A98Xu)

244 True, but what is to stop Obama from making recess appointments over Christmas?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (ABcz/)

What work on my Christmas vacation? Surely, you jest.

Posted by: Bumbles at November 20, 2014 11:29 AM (DNTer)

245 As a lifelong Republican, I'm a great admirer of President Reagan. I wonder if the extremists realize that Reagan issued a similar order, giving relief to the immigrant population.

The extremists love to invoke Reagan's name when it's politically useful, but they appear to be ignorant of history.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (Ks4nX)

246

entertainment OT

Bono got really messed up in a "high energy" bike accident.

...his arm fracture involved a five-hour operation and was repaired with three metal plates and 18 screws. On Monday, Bono had surgery on his left hand.

...The singer's serious injuries include a "facial fracture involving the orbit of his eye," three separate fractures of his left shoulder blade and a fracture of his left humerus bone in his upper arm.

The latter injury was particularly damaging, with the bone shattering in six different places and tearing through his skin,...

yikes

http://tinyurl.com/q429eel

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (IXrOn)

247 I don't believe for a minute there is no way to defund

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (Z36SR)

248 Obama feels entitled to do whatever he wants because of his mocha status, which he judges, rightly, to offset any considerations of the Republic and Law in the eyes of his acolytes. The only ones he cares about. Race trumps everything in their eyes.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (5+mPY)

249 Cruz - right
The "impeach" crowd - wrong

Not because King Barack I shouldn't be impeached, but because the GOP doesn't have the numbers in the Senate (let alone the will to do it, but that's another matter.)

Posted by: Citizen X at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (7ObY1)

250 Prayer/meditation and lots of it.

It's the only way I'm going to get through the left's bullshit.
Posted by: seems legit at November 20, 2014 11:29 AM (A98Xu)

me <-- yoga

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (IXrOn)

251 Bono got really messed up in a "high energy" bike accident.

Maybe he got lost and panicked. Did the streets have no names?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (DrWcr)

252 When I was just a wee lad I worked with the GPO on printing a rush order for around 200k special forms to be printed on a hard to find, very sturdy paper on very short turnaround. The order was for a very specific quantity, say 184,305. Days later Castro opened his jails and something like 184,305 Cuban refuges hit our shores.

If the GPO is putting out a bid for 33 million forms, it's because that is the number.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (zxQ4h)

253 >>I don't believe for a minute there is no way to defund

Neither does Steve King who is one of the most vocal opponents of amnesty in Congress.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (g1DWB)

254 Prayer/meditation and lots of it.
It's the only way I'm going to get through the left's bullshit.

Because I'm a giver:
Homemade Bailey's Irish Creme:

http://bit.ly/1uF48Wv

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:32 AM (tvSum)

255 Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (Ks4nX)

Oh, stick a SOCK in it.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 20, 2014 11:32 AM (7ObY1)

256 Well, I hope he's right and not the official House Approps spokeswoman.
Sean Davis@seanmdav 1h
Appropriators are straight-up lying when they say Congress is powerless to stop Obama's lawless EO.

Sean Davis @seanmdav 19m
This is just such willfully dishonest nonsense from House Approps.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:32 AM (ZPrif)

257

Guess I'll drive over the Ace's and knock on his door...

/wave

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:33 AM (IXrOn)

258 Let's REALLY hit him where he lives: sic the EPA on golf courses, shutting them down because they use pesticides or something. Go Democrat, and just make up some shit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:33 AM (oKE6c)

259 The latter injury was particularly damaging, with the bone shattering in six different places and tearing through his skin,...

yikes

http://tinyurl.com/q429eel
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (IXrOn)

Wow, get better soon...

Posted by: MikeH at November 20, 2014 11:33 AM (DNTer)

260
I've read many writers and bloggers over the last week, as well as all the good people here about many different things the GOP can do in reaction to Emperor Lawlessness, and then I come back to its a waste of time, they will do none of the suggestions, they will rollover just like Hal Rogers wants them to do.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2014 11:33 AM (1nB6R)

261 Remember government agencies only know how to,self perpetuate. She's lying

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:33 AM (Z36SR)

262 I don't believe for a minute there is no way to defund

Neither does Steve King who is one of the most vocal opponents of amnesty in Congress.

----
USCIS is a component of the DHS.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:33 AM (tvSum)

263 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (IXrOn)

ow ow ow ow ow...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (M1uf/)

264 shut down the gov't

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 106 days until spring training at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (u8GsB)

265 The latter injury was particularly damaging, with the bone shattering in six different places and tearing through his skin,...

They're trying to locate the last piece of bone they need to repair his arm, but they still haven't found what they're looking for.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (DrWcr)

266 Appropriators are straight-up lying when they say Congress is powerless to stop Obama's lawless EO.

I'll quote a certain Horny Starship Captain and say I don't believe in no-win scenarios.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (0HooB)

267 True, but what is to stop Obama from making recess appointments over Christmas?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:24 AM (ABcz/)
=====================

Aren't recess appointments only good until the next Congress is sworn in? Like a week after New Years?

Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (LISuA)

268 Let's REALLY hit him where he lives: sic the EPA on golf courses, shutting them down because they use pesticides or something.

#TooMuchWater

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (tvSum)

269
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:30 AM (IXrOn)

Your scaring the empress with things outside.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (sWgE+)

270 THE DUECE YOU SAY!

Posted by: MC Turtle needs to get home for Christmas(Happy Obamacare!) at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (o2Jt2)

271 265 The latter injury was particularly damaging, with the bone shattering in six different places and tearing through his skin,...

They're trying to locate the last piece of bone they need to repair his arm, but they still haven't found what they're looking for.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (DrWcr)
I wonder if they've looked in his side yet?

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (5+mPY)

272 Inzi is not a fighter, he performed miserably during the Obamacare debate, and let Snowe vote it out of Committee.

He is a go along, get along guy.

Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (cgrL5)

273 Any agency can be funded by fees colllected from other agencies. The last shutdown was muted because these inter-agency fees were not affected by appropriations. The fees may cause a deficit at the other agency that would be recovered after a budget is passed, and that is always a continuing resolution.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (UccCH)

274 Words fail me. I simply can not believe that the MSM is being so complacent about the violation of the Rule of Law.

Don't they understand what a slippery slop this is? Or do they just not care?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:36 AM (0FSuD)

275 Also, I can kill you with my brain.

Posted by: River Tam at November 20, 2014 11:36 AM (JtwS4)

276 Your scaring the empress with things outside.
Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (sWgE+)

*takes wrg500's your and you're away*

It's for your own protection, as well as ours.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:36 AM (DrWcr)

277 Nothing we can do...woe is us! (snicker)

Posted by: GOPe at November 20, 2014 11:37 AM (o2Jt2)

278 Also, I can kill you with my brain.

and an axe, but mostly, the axe.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:37 AM (evdj2)

279 >>Then don't recess over Christmas. Other people have to work over the holidays, and often for things rather less important than saving the Republic.

I agree. I just wish the GOP would have the foresight to do this to pre-empt any recess appointment shenanigans.
Because it would be just like Obama to drop by the Ovala office on, say, the Thursday 11/24, sign off on a bunch of recess appointments (that others have prepared for him) and then jet off to Hawaii.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:37 AM (ABcz/)

280 Appropriators just do not want to do piecemeal bills. The government is too damn big, they say.

In my book that's the same thing as saying the House will never again use the power of the purse, except to reward its friends with bigger appropriations over its enemies friends, who get less-big appropriations.

End Times for the republic right there, baby, in one sentence.

Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2014 11:37 AM (LISuA)

281 Don't they understand what a slippery slop this is? Or do they just not care?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:36 AM (0FSuD)
I think they are indoctrinated ideologues, true believers that blindly work against their own self interests.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (5+mPY)

282 rayer/meditation and lots of it.

It's the only way I'm going to get through the left's bullshit.
Posted by: seems legit at November 20, 2014 11:29 AM (A98Xu)

Good for you. I've just been reading a great book called "Nine prayers God always answers" by Anthony DeStefano. In a chapter called "This Stress is killing me" and the prayer, "God give me peace" stresses exactly that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (RZlSA)

283 274 Words fail me. I simply can not believe that the MSM is being so complacent about the violation of the Rule of Law.
Don't they understand what a slippery slop this is? Or do they just not care?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:36 AM (0FSuD)

Of course they care. They want this to happen. I say again, the MSM are heavily Red penetrated. Duranty, Chambers, Cronkite are only the ones who came or were pushed out of the closet. For every one of them, there are a thousand apparatchiks burrowing away, undermining America.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (oKE6c)

284 With all due respect to Sean Davis, who I think is fantastic, "Notwithstanding any provision of law, no funds may be appropriated/otherwise made available for X" are the same words that Obama ignored when he shipped those five Taliban from Gitmo to Qatar in exchange for Deserter Bowe Bergdahl. WORDS DO NOT MATTER.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (4df7R)

285 Call these fuckers and read that Cruz excerpt to them aloud.

I am close to ready to go out into the streets and start stopping traffic. I think if I knew my neighbors and friends would stand with me.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 11:39 AM (NJVms)

286
279 >>Then don't recess over Christmas. Other people have to work over the holidays, and often for things rather less important than saving the Republic.I agree. I just wish the GOP would have the foresight to do this to pre-empt any recess appointment shenanigans. Because it would be just like Obama to drop by the Ovala office on, say, the Thursday 11/24, sign off on a bunch of recess appointments (that others have prepared for him) and then jet off to Hawaii.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:37 AM (ABcz/)

They won't though. Mitch could have used tactics to prevent Obamacare from going up to vote before Christmas too but he didn't.

Posted by: Penguins at November 20, 2014 11:39 AM (zt+N6)

287 I think McConnell's solution would be to kick Jeff Sessions off the Budget Committee

Posted by: TexasJew at November 20, 2014 11:40 AM (/B6Iw)

288 Don't they understand what a slippery slop this is? Or do they just not care?

They think they'll be on top (or at least very near and invaluable to those on top) of the New Order.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:40 AM (M1uf/)

289 Ground Air Force One. Let the bastard fly commercial.

Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2014 11:40 AM (VndSC)

290 I say again, the MSM are heavily Red penetrated.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (oKE6c)

They are fellow travelers, not necessarily committed Marxists. They truly believe that they are, for the most part, loyal Americans who are doing what is best for this country. But their ignorance is an advantage, because their pronouncements seem so heartfelt and honest.

That doesn't mean that I absolve them of the responsibility for much of what is wrong with this country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2014 11:41 AM (Zu3d9)

291
Ground Air Force One. Let the bastard fly commercial.

Force him to play community golf courses.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 11:41 AM (sWgE+)

292 They're trying to locate the last piece of bone they need to repair his arm, but they still haven't found what they're looking for.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (DrWcr)

*golf clap*

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (JO9+V)

293 I saw Slippery Slop open for The Clash, Hammersmith Odeon, 1980.

Posted by: Moron in a Union Jack Snuggie at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (Ks4nX)

294
284 With all due respect to Sean Davis, who I think is fantastic, "Notwithstanding any provision of law, no funds may be appropriated/otherwise made available for X" are the same words that Obama ignored when he shipped those five Taliban from Gitmo to Qatar in exchange for Deserter Bowe Bergdahl. WORDS DO NOT MATTER.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (4df7R)

But that's all I'm good at doing! I talk a big strong conservative game and then when its time to act I roll over and show my belly and start peeing like a little orange puppy.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (zt+N6)

295 We will not even recognize our country by the end of his term

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (Z36SR)

296 They think they'll be on top (or at least very near and invaluable to those on top) of the New Order.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:40 AM (M1uf/)

Yeah, about that.... the New World Order might very well involve them starring in a video with their heads laying beside the rest of themselves.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (5+mPY)

297
I admit I laughed outloud at this:

http://goo.gl/JMZOkx

Posted by: The Progs at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (iQIUe)

298 Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 11:34 AM (DrWcr)

Huzzah!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2014 11:44 AM (Zu3d9)

299 Is this GOP surrender? NO

This is GOP collusion, they need Hispanics for 2016.

Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 11:44 AM (cgrL5)

300 All you folk who said we had to support GOPe types while doing the sanctimonious finger-wave?

If nothing effective is done to stop this? It's on your heads, too.

Sins of omission...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 11:44 AM (zWC0k)

301 295
We will not even recognize our country by the end of his term

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (Z36SR)

Fly down to Caracas for a preview.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:44 AM (0FSuD)

302 There is no coherent message. No consensus. Nothing.

The GOP looks like they are in chaos.

Time and again, they get handed a gift on a silver platter, and they grab their tails instead.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 11:20 AM (IXrOn)

And how are they supposed to get that message out? CNN has done nothing but run every community agitator on 24/7 to gin up a race riot in Ferguson, MSNBC is hopeless, the dinosaur three have 30 second news blips, the morning shows are focused on Christmas toys and the latest diet fads, and Fox is the only one with the occasional congressman or Ted Cruz on telling us how awful this is that El Presidente is doing this, but then just throws out, we should do this or that. No threat of we WILL do this or that.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (hjTr7)

303 They are fellow travelers, not necessarily committed
Marxists. They truly believe that they are, for the most part, loyal
Americans who are doing what is best for this country. But their
ignorance is an advantage, because their pronouncements seem so
heartfelt and honest.

That doesn't mean that I absolve them of the responsibility for much of what is wrong with this country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2014 11:41 AM (Zu3d9)

True, but a distinction without a difference. Hard core Reds call the shots, the fellow travelers sing the doo wops, the useful idiots nod in approval and put Obama and/or Coexist bumper stickers on their cars.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (oKE6c)

304 Don't they understand what a slippery slop this is? Or do they just not care?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:36 AM

One might ask the same of Congress.

535 cowards, about to become 535 traitors by ignoring their sworn oaths.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (PoKIA)

305 This is GOP collusion, they need Hispanics for 2016.

They need 5% more of the white vote for a governmental lock. Again, Demographics are the future, but they are also the present.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (evdj2)

306 Yes, recess appointments end when Congress' term does. So goodbye, NLRB illegal appointments. GTFO!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (JO9+V)

307 Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 11:35 AM (cgrL5)

His voting record indicates just the opposite.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 20, 2014 11:46 AM (yshTX)

308 McConnell the old eunuch came up with a brilliant criticism of this; he said that it would harm more migrants, as if anyone gives a shit right now

Posted by: TexasJew at November 20, 2014 11:46 AM (/B6Iw)

309 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 11:38 AM (4df7R)

This is true, and this is why I despair. Like, truly despair.

The ONLY option with any teeth anymore is impeachment. Before the [covers AtC's ears] Delegation Doctrine [lets go], the Legislative Branch had much more authority to handle, well, writing law- and there wasn't quite the proliferation of National agencies.

Now, however, most of the actual law-making, and certainly all of the day-to-day operations is in the hands of unelected bureaucrats who are answerable (ultimately) only to the President. So even "shutting down" the government won't really do anything- he'll make everything as painful as possible to regular citizens while making sure his cronies are taken care of.

Sue the President? The courts should say, "Umm... this is between y'all. The Constitution already provides a remedy for this." Even if they don't, and even if (then) they side with Republicans, he'll just ignore that, too.

The ONLY thing which will stop his rampant abuses is to remove him, and that is off the table (yes, I know why, that doesn't change the facts).

But it goes beyond that. As I said above, for many in the GOPe, the only problem here is with how he's doing it, not with what he's doing. They're all on-board for amnesty. They're even on-board for executive amnesty- most of their protestations are simply to "be on the record," not because they would actually do anything even if they thought they could.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:47 AM (M1uf/)

310 All you folk who said we had to support GOPe types while doing the sanctimonious finger-wave?

If nothing effective is done to stop this? It's on your heads, too.

Sins of omission...
Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 11:44 AM (zWC0k)

Bullshit. And tell me who else we could have voted for that would have stopped this? Democrats? Some third party asshole who got 1% of the vote?. Stay home crap?

At least we are trying. I'm calling and emailing my representatives. I don't have any other power than that.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2014 11:47 AM (hjTr7)

311 Impeach him for obstruction of justice.

This tyrant imagines he has unilateral authority to issue illegal permits.

Do you know how valuable that is? Sure in this instance it's just one individual being allowed to work. But if the legal principle is upheld, we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars to be made in graft.

Impeach him. He's got to go.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (pYEaj)

312 248 Obama feels entitled to do whatever he wants because of his mocha status, which he judges, rightly, to offset any considerations of the Republic and Law in the eyes of his acolytes. The only ones he cares about. Race trumps everything in their eyes.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (5+mPY)

Exactly. The Constitution and the Rule of Law are for old white racists, so they can be disregarded.

And it's payback time, Whitey.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (zoehZ)

313 Good for you, Jen. I agree and I've also called the reps.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (RZlSA)

314 And how are they supposed to get that message out?
CNN has done nothing but run every community agitator on 24/7 to gin up a
race riot in Ferguson, MSNBC is hopeless, the dinosaur three have 30
second news blips, the morning shows are focused on Christmas toys and
the latest diet fads, and Fox is the only one with the occasional
congressman or Ted Cruz on telling us how awful this is that El
Presidente is doing this, but then just throws out, we should do this or
that. No threat of we WILL do this or that.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (hjTr7)

And that's the problem. They know the MFM is going to block them every chance they get, but that doesn't mean they can't present a united front. But instead of presenting a united front - instead of listening to the people who just elected them en masse and saying, 'Oh, okay. The American people really don't want Obama's usurpations to continue.' - the GOPe continue to sideline conservatives and Tea Party types in favor of the g-ddamn "go along to get along" caucus.

They don't have to be on TV or in the papers in order to actually threaten the President with consequences. They don't. They can make sure the President knows, and they can make sure the MFM knows, and if the latter chooses to ignore them or paint their words and actions in a negative light, oh well. The American people who elected the 'Pubbies will know, and THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE who they should be listening to.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (4df7R)

315 Well, the stupid ass voters wanted a Third World President
Now they got a Third World country

Posted by: TexasJew at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (/B6Iw)

316 "And how are they supposed to get that message out?
CNN has done nothing but run every community agitator...

Posted by: Jen the original at"

Not acceptable excuse. If Boehner talked like a fucking man and said meaningful things about actual action, that they actually did, like defunding and investigating and the whole lot, they media would be forced to cover them.
Yes it's difficult. So the fuck what. Life is difficult, and you still have to do the right things. We do in our lives.
They fail to stand for the constitution and for our liberty because they are doing it purposefully; the GOP is complicit and we need to wake up to that fact and start putting their feet to the fire.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (NJVms)

317
Go Team, Go!See how that goes, then give me a call once you realize that you're going to have to fix this your damn self. Oh, and buy a gat, too. You'll be wanting it soon enough.

Posted by: Some Shit that Zombie Mao said... at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (vmAFq)

318 Is this GOP surrender? NO

This is GOP collusion, they need Hispanics for 2016.

For what? Yard work?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:49 AM (maYD1)

319 The fact is that a large portion of the GOPe WANT Amnesty...

They have said it time and time again.

So they can 'say' they are fighting, when doing nothing substantive... and let Obama take the Political heat.

THAT is what they are thinking.

What they do not realize, is that we see the kabuki play for what it is....

Obama is about to break Federal law, by knowingly aiding and abetting Illegal Aliens to stay in this country.... this is STILL a FELONY.

If they are complicit in this act, they are accessories to a conspiracy.

I am tired of Washington thinking it is above the law..... the very law THEY write.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2014 11:49 AM (f0pWu)

320 305 This is GOP collusion, they need Hispanics for 2016.

They need 5% more of the white vote for a governmental lock. Again, Demographics are the future, but they are also the present.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (evdj2)

Yep. With all due respect, fuck the Hispanics and their votes. By the time ANY of the mythical Conservative Hispanics get around to voting for our side, there will possibly not even BE elections, as we know them. We either counteract the Communist in office now, or lose.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:50 AM (5+mPY)

321
"The American people want a government that works for them."
............................
I beg to disagree. I want a government that is not my enemy.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2014 11:50 AM (wAQA5)

322 Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 11:45 AM (oKE6c)

Agreed, but it is salvageable....with money and pressure. For instance, the Koch brothers should spend their money on buying CNN (what's it worth....$50?).

Those fellow travelers will follow the the wind....wherever it blows.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (Zu3d9)

323 312 248 Obama feels entitled to do whatever he wants because of his mocha status, which he judges, rightly, to offset any considerations of the Republic and Law in the eyes of his acolytes. The only ones he cares about. Race trumps everything in their eyes.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:31 AM (5+mPY)

Exactly. The Constitution and the Rule of Law are for old white racists, so they can be disregarded.

And it's payback time, Whitey.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2014 11:48 AM (zoehZ)

/looks at the Marksmanship medal in his shadowbox...

/cleans his gun.....

Posted by: Romeo13, old whitey at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (f0pWu)

324 Bullshit. And tell me who else we could have voted for that would have stopped this? Democrats? Some third party asshole who got 1% of the vote?. Stay home crap?

At least we are trying.

Trying what? To elect dickbags that vote and act like a wing of the democratic party?

Posted by: GMan at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (sxq57)

325 And how are they supposed to get that message out? CNN has done nothing but run every community agitator on 24/7 to gin up a race riot in Ferguson, MSNBC is hopeless, the dinosaur three have 30 second news blips, the morning shows are focused on Christmas toys and the latest diet fads, and Fox is the only one with the occasional congressman or Ted Cruz on telling us how awful this is that El Presidente is doing this, but then just throws out, we should do this or that. No threat of we WILL do this or that.

In Cruz's defense, he's not in a leadership position, but he sure should be.

If it was me, I'd be making YouToob clips at the rate of one or two every hour asking the hard questions of the MFM and promoting a conservative agenda, and I'd have an office full of aides Tweeting them at five minute intervals.

I'd be asking OUT LOUD why TFG seems to think, since the public is against this (holds up poll results placard), he feels the need to bypass our laws. Start blaming the little asshole for the shit he's doing, don't apologize and DO NOT BACK DOWN. The Repumpkins need to start acting like this shit is serious, because it is.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (0HooB)

326 297

I admit I laughed outloud at this:

http://goo.gl/JMZOkx

Posted by: The Progs at November 20, 2014 11:42 AM (iQIUe)

Nice. Did he hit the driver? Looks like the Driver got out of the car?

LIV's.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:52 AM (0FSuD)

327 Trying what? To elect dickbags that vote and act like a wing of the democratic party?

It sounds like you have a plan.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:53 AM (evdj2)

328 >>"And how are they supposed to get that message out?

CNN has done nothing but run every community agitator...

Rand Paul managed to get some notice with his filibuster. Just sayin'.
At least this time around it would be for something worth pulling out all the stops for - and they could use all that time as an opportunity to educate citizens on the Constitution, the limits of the president, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 11:53 AM (ABcz/)

329 If it was me, I'd be making YouToob clips at the rate of one or two
every hour asking the hard questions of the MFM and promoting a
conservative agenda, and I'd have an office full of aides Tweeting them
at five minute intervals.

This.

We've bypassed the media before- and forced them finally to cover things. We know what has to happen there- so let's make it happen.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:53 AM (M1uf/)

330 "The GOP looks like they are in chaos. "

The GOP leadership wants to lose, and they imagine their job is to coordinate their surrender. They imagine that gives them a measure of control.

That is why Boehner publicly ridiculed the shutdown as having no "endgame". If the purpose of the shutdown was to continue funding the government except Obamacare, until Obama gave up, there was no point at which Boehner could go behind closed doors and sell out.

So right now they're looking to sell out. The trouble is, on the one hand, Obama isn't asking them for a damn thing; and on the other, the public wants them to STOP THIS.

In about a week of begging us to roll over and accept defeat, they'll coalesce like grease around selling the President on retroactive permission to do everything he claims he can do on his own. Crisis resolved. Business as usual.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 11:53 AM (pYEaj)

331 I'm LeBron, Baby! Gimme the rock!

Posted by: Mitch McTurtleneck at November 20, 2014 11:54 AM (UzPAd)

332 Where have you gone, Rep Joe Wilson?

Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (JO9+V)

333 "Not acceptable excuse. If Boehner talked like a fucking man and said meaningful things about actual action, that they actually did, like defunding and investigating and the whole lot, they media would be forced to cover them.
Yes it's difficult. So the fuck what. Life is difficult, and you still have to do the right things. We do in our lives."

Damn right. There's 300,000,000 people in America. If this 300 can't do the job, they can get the hell out of the way.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (pYEaj)

334 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (0HooB)

Those are great suggestions. Can someone body who lives in Texas (You don't of you, BB) forward this to Cruz' office? Sometimes e-mail is not accepted if it does not come from someone living in the state.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (RZlSA)

335 i'm not going to get w*rked up over this, because the GOPe is known as the "Party of 5t00pid" for very good reason. those bitches will never find a hill to die on, because their sole goal in life is to maintain their personal access to power, influence and money, not do what their oath of office say is their duty.

they could give a flying fuck about our country.

i'm just glad i don't have any kids and that i'm not any younger or healthier, so i won't have to watch as much of this go down as the younger members of the horde...

fuck these useless motherfuckers, sideways, with a tankers bar wrapped up with 3 rolls of concertina and sprinkled with flakes of white phosphorus.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (lsWof)

336 It's just pretty damned sad that I sit here, after a successful election, and think about the possible necessity of a shadow government being formed to offset a tyrant, who will not bow to the Constitution and the will of the people.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (5+mPY)

337 I hope there is a copy of the Constitution someplace where it hasn't been used as a soft two ply by the dems and earpresident.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (WNERA)

338 again, for some reason, pitus thinks the best way to regain 2008 glory days is a drag out fight with GOP in congress.

this is dumb

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 11:56 AM (Gysa/)

339 Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:53 AM (evdj2

I thanked you on a dead thread but thanks again for reminding me of that Buckley ? saying. I had forgot about that simple saying that says so much.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 20, 2014 11:56 AM (yshTX)

340 In about a week of begging us to roll over and accept defeat, they'll
coalesce like grease around selling the President on retroactive
permission to do everything he claims he can do on his own. Crisis
resolved. Business as usual.

True.

Because to them the problem isn't the Amnesty, it's the Executive Fiat.

Part of me marvels at how pig-headed TFG is, though. You realize that Amnesty would have passed long ago ("Oh, we can't stop it... because reasons!") if he had held out just a little bit of a fig leaf.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 11:56 AM (M1uf/)

341 Look, whether or not a "gov't shutdown" type fight is good, bad, better than the last one - none of that matters.

The fact of the matter is, with the media on his side, a gov't shutdown is blamed on republicans and Congess and the GOP take the PR hit. Under what circumstances does president lawless look at the continuing shitstorm the media unleashes on Republicans during a shutdown somehow inspire Obama to give in ? There simply are none.

That fight cannot be won. It just can't. I don't know what the right way to fight it is, but given the conventional wisdom about a shutdown (reality be damned) AND the media bias for Obama, that just isn't a viable option.

No matter how long it goes on, eventually the weak GOP will cave. Thus giving you nothing but bad PR. what the hell is the point of that ?

Posted by: deadrody at November 20, 2014 11:56 AM (W15tP)

342 OT: Beautiful drone's eye tour of Helena, MT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3CWW4oeE40

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 11:57 AM (ZPrif)

343 fuck these useless motherfuckers, sideways, with a tankers bar wrapped up with 3 rolls of concertina and sprinkled with flakes of white phosphorus.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 20, 2014 11:55 AM (lsWof)

Yes please.

/Sandy Fluke

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 11:58 AM (fwARV)

344 I thanked you on a dead thread but thanks again for reminding me of that Buckley ? saying. I had forgot about that simple saying that says so much.

It's a good retort to the current EO lies from the MFM.

You can push an old lady out of way of a bus, or you can push an old lady in front of the bus, but according to the MFM, you're both guilty of pushing old ladies.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 11:58 AM (evdj2)

345 For some it is a race war, La Raza and fellow travelers bragging whites will no longer be a majority in 2050. This why La Raza celebrates, and to no small degree ear president. Has the side benefit if Texas goes blue it will be impossible for a republican to win presidency.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 20, 2014 11:59 AM (WNERA)

346 I think this over reach is going to backfire. Badly

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:59 AM (Z36SR)

347 Left insists this isn't "Amnesty".
But they also insist doing nothing is "de facto Amnesty".

Those phrase must have polled well.

Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman
Right off the memo, Durbin says it's not amnesty, but to do nothing is to leave de facto amnesty in place.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

348 What part of the following has been incomprehensible for the last 4-6 years:

1. Find, groom, and elect candidates with proper respect for the Constitution and Rule of Law to replace the worthless graftmonkeys of the GOPe

2. Lay the groundwork for a replacement for the GOP

But nooooooooooo. We had to work with the old Quislings. It was the only way, they kept saying. Fighting would be a disaster, they kept saying. No hill to die on, they kept saying.

It's been in front of you for years. Stop acting surprised.

This is why I don't pontificate much anymore. None so blind...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 12:00 PM (zWC0k)

349 I feel the same way as Red.

Obama didn't start here. We got here after six years of the GOP being way too easy to trample. The few who would shout 'you lie' got as much flack from the GOPe as they did from the MSM.

Had the GOP not been so scared of Obama, and fought the good fight every day, what would it have cost them, exactly? The press told the LIVs the GOP was racist and being unfair anyway. The GOP would have been tarred no matter what they did, but would have stayed relevant.

It would be nice if they started now, and I'm hopeful Cruz's idea will be followed. That we have the exact same leadership as before is not a good sign. I think Cruz is simply getting on the record that he is not on board with what we're about to see from the GOP.

Posted by: Dustin at November 20, 2014 12:00 PM (a7sQX)

350 Agreed, but it is salvageable....with money and
pressure. For instance, the Koch brothers should spend their money on
buying CNN (what's it worth....$50?).

Those fellow travelers will follow the the wind....wherever it blows.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (Zu3d9)

Buying CNN is a great idea.
I suspect that fellow travelers are not as malleable as you suggest, but instead are Red sympathizers, just not as committed as the ringleaders. Think of the way the IRS or CIA operate: they jump to to carry out Obongo's wishes (real or anticipated), yet drag their feet and/or leak critical damaging information when an American is in the White House. Passive resistance on their part is still resistance.
What we really need to do is revivify HUAC. There's a lot of work to be done, both on the Reds and on the Muslims. I'd subpoena that assholes at CAIR in a heartbeat, along with every mother's son who was involved with Soros and JournoList.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:00 PM (oKE6c)

351 Posted by: alexthechick - Right round baby right round at November 20, 2014 10:51 AM

*shoves all the lemon squares through the USB for AtC for use of 'jackanape.'

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (knoK7)

352 Most of the people celebrating whites becoming a minority seem to be rich white progs.

Rich white progs compete for status on who hates white people the most. It's an odd thing.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

353 Right off the memo, Durbin says it's not amnesty, but to do nothing is to leave de facto amnesty in place.

How delightfully reductive. Don't enforce the law, and then complain that there's defacto non-enforcement of the law requiring the law be strapped.

Brilliant!

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (evdj2)

354 346 I think this over reach is going to backfire. Badly
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 11:59 AM (Z36SR)

NOW he tells me.

Posted by: Salvador Allende at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (oKE6c)

355 Personally, I'm reading Atlas Shrugged today.

Lost (deliberately I'm sure) in all the pissing and moaning about her literary shortcomings is the fact of her spot-on bloody fvzking awesome prophetic abilities.

All is proceeding as she has foreseen, but John Galt is as missing as our opposition party is. Pity, that.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 20, 2014 12:02 PM (go6ud)

356 Unless there is a disaster like a plane crash or riots CNN has few viewers. It is on in waiting rooms but everyone is reading their kindle.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 20, 2014 12:02 PM (WNERA)

357 352 Most of the people celebrating whites becoming a minority seem to be rich white progs.

Rich white progs compete for status on who hates white people the most. It's an odd thing.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)
Perverts, just being perverted.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:03 PM (5+mPY)

358 About rescission - if you pass a bill removing funding you already provided - doesn't the president have to sign that new bill for it to become law?

Posted by: Monkeytoe at November 20, 2014 12:03 PM (3ZtZW)

359 Agreed, but it is salvageable....with money and pressure. For instance, the Koch brothers should spend their money on buying CNN (what's it worth....$50?).

Those fellow travelers will follow the the wind....wherever it blows.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2014 11:51 AM (Zu3d9)

I wish. The leftist suicide rate would explode and probably continue into the 2020's.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 20, 2014 12:03 PM (3lXRX)

360 again, cruz gets it. this is war. there's no business as usual. shut it down, no more fucking commie judges. no new ag.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 12:04 PM (Gysa/)

361 "The fact of the matter is, with the media on his side, a gov't shutdown is blamed on republicans and Congess and the GOP take the PR hit. Under what circumstances does president lawless look at the continuing shitstorm the media unleashes on Republicans during a shutdown somehow inspire Obama to give in ? There simply are none. "

And...so what? We're two years from the next federal elections. Unless you think the public is going to burn tractor-trailers on top of railroads and bridges and runways, and shut down the economy until the Republicans resign, what does the PR hit matter?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 12:04 PM (pYEaj)

362 My liberal BIL has changed. He's an MD and bitches about how every person in the office now has to ask "do you smoke" and then record it. The time required alone is destroying them plus patients are pretty sick of being asked by 4 different people.

It has only just begun.

Posted by: PJ at November 20, 2014 12:04 PM (cHuNI)

363 Right off the memo, Durbin says it's not amnesty, but to do nothing is to leave de facto amnesty in place.

Which should be followed up with, "So the President is going on Univision to announce that he's finally on-board with a border fence and requiring all employers to use E-Verify as a first-pass for validating that someone is legally authorized to work in the US?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:05 PM (M1uf/)

364 I live in VA. In a lovely new home suburban community. Most of my neighbors work in some fashion in government. We are next to a commuter train and most all commute to DC for their jobs at State, DOD, FBI, etc.

I work in the private sector.

My neighbors are nice people but I constantly hear them talk about how they take vaca time during the week, then work weekends at over/double time.

I'm at the point now where I want to scream out at our next gathering: "CAN I GET A THANK YOU!!!"

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 20, 2014 12:05 PM (Q8F1m)

365 Julian Castro looks like he creamed his pants

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 12:05 PM (Z36SR)

366 Thanks, Costanza Defense-

That was a nice video on Helena . I liked the shadows on the buildings and all the crosses pictured. What is the name of the college pictured at the beginning? I couldn't read the signs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (RZlSA)

367 "About rescission - if you pass a bill removing funding you already provided - doesn't the president have to sign that new bill for it to become law?"

I believe so.

But apart from that, he can just accept vouchers from the Federal Reserve, which is not technically a draw on the Treasury, or sell illegal permits to foriegn governments and use the proceeds as a slush fund.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (pYEaj)

368 I think this over reach is going to backfire.
Badly
Posted by: ThunderB

Your lips to God's ear.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (maYD1)

369 Hey GOP, remember this? Your DUTY.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (cgrL5)

370 360 again, cruz gets it. this is war. there's no business as usual. shut it down, no more fucking commie judges. no new ag.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 12:04 PM (Gysa/)
The time for civility and nuance does seem past, since the third or fourth vial has been opened.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (5+mPY)

371 Nice. Did he hit the driver? Looks like the Driver got out of the car?

LIV's.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2014 11:52 AM (0FSuD)

I believe they both were unscathed though they may have pooped their pants. Loved how quickly those hands shotup. lol

Posted by: The Progs at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (iQIUe)

372 What is the name of the college pictured at the beginning?
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I don't know. I just stumbled on the video in youtube. I've never been to Montana. Looks beautiful, though.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:07 PM (ZPrif)

373 Can't wait for the big push that'll probably start late summer of next year by the left for all these new tax paying workers to get the right to vote. About how horrible it would be for us to take their tax money and not let them have a say in how it's spent.

FML.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 12:07 PM (5ZFPz)

374 352 Most of the people celebrating whites becoming a minority seem to be rich white progs.

Rich white progs compete for status on who hates white people the most. It's an odd thing.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

It seems to be the case in Europe, too. Yes, very odd.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2014 12:08 PM (zoehZ)

375 It seems to be the case in Europe, too. Yes, very odd.

Survivors' Guilt for the World Wars?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 20, 2014 12:09 PM (zWC0k)

376 That fight cannot be won. It just can't. I don't know what the right way to fight it is, but given the conventional wisdom about a shutdown (reality be damned) AND the media bias for Obama, that just isn't a viable option.

If you don't fight, you can't win.

If we had a real opposition party, they'd be axing the presstitutes why they aren't covering the important things.

The MFM can be successfully countered, but first you have to want to counter them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 12:09 PM (0HooB)

377 Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

It seems to be the case in Europe, too. Yes, very odd.
Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2014 12:08 PM (zoehZ)

I wear their loathing as a badge of honor. No guilt here.

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:09 PM (5+mPY)

378 TAX AMNESTY! TAX AMNESTY!
And while they're at it
TAX AMNESTY AT THE STATE LEVEL!
If we can just make it up as we go now, why not?

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 12:10 PM (9221z)

379 Oh. MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN are going to give them an outlet to disseminate that message?
==========

Lesseee ... MSNBC, NBC are owned by Comcast and CNN is owned by Time Warner. The Comcast - Time Warner merger must be approved by the DoJ and the FCC.

CBS is owned by Viacom, and the owner of Viacom is Sumner Redstone.

There are a lot of reasons why offers by the Kochs for any of the media properties listed above would be DOA while Barry is in office.

Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2014 12:12 PM (JBggj)

380 Oh, and "ABOLISH PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS!"

Hurt the fuckers!

Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2014 12:12 PM (9221z)

381 I just heard on good authority that Bitch and Boner have just finished their 1st draft of a super harshly worded letter to King Barrack. I hear it even has the word "damn" in it.

Oh my!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2014 12:12 PM (0LHZx)

382 "346
I think this over reach is going to backfire. Badly"

your faith is touching, but a majority of the population won't even know/believe it's overreach.

the FSA will cheer, and the LIV majority of the public won't even know it's overreach, since all they will know about it is what the MFM tells them.

we've deliberately, thanks to the leftist education mafia, raised several generations of citizens who are utterly illiterate when it comes to civics, and we're now paying the price. and, of course, that doesn't even count the leftards my age who still enthusiastically support the SCOAMF, of which there are far too many.

this will not end well, no matter what happens. short of a aneurism, or a slip and fall in the shower room at the bath house that breaks his neck, thus removing Obola from office immediately, we're screwed.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 20, 2014 12:12 PM (RiMtm)

383 Costanza-

I haven't been there either. It's is beautiful. I was also amazed at how few cars there are. I need to live in a place with fewer cars. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:12 PM (RZlSA)

384 Nothing will stop this lawless "administration" until people start going to jail. A LOT of people. Starting with Holder and Lerner and moving on down the line.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 12:12 PM (4df7R)

385 Can't wait for the big push that'll probably start late summer of next year by the left for all these new tax paying workers to get the right to vote. About how horrible it would be for us to take their tax money and not let them have a say in how it's spent.

FML.
Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 12:07 PM

You just know they've already drafted the lawsuit, don't you?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 12:13 PM (knoK7)

386 I woke up in Fantasyland today and started thinking of this.

What if Dear Leader's announcement tonight isn't about amnesty. What if he says that the border will be closed and secured and tells the Mehican government to assist in stopping the flow of latinos crossing our borders.

I need more coffee.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 12:13 PM (4jDmb)

387 369: Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (cgrL5)

The framers required the oath in the constitution under the assumption that obviously any oath-takers would feel compelled to take up the challenge of defending the constitution. They never imagined that the oath would become just an opportunity for a photo suitable for framing over the desk.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 20, 2014 12:13 PM (UccCH)

388 374.... not odd at all. The privileged few will rule over slaves. It's a refinement of communism. Didn't work earlier so lets work on how to make it better. I think Mission Accomplished.

There's not enough alcohol to assuage my malaise.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (Q8F1m)

389 CBS is owned by Viacom, and the owner of Viacom is Sumner Redstone.
=====
Clarification - CBS is controlled by Sumner Redstone through National Amusements.

Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (JBggj)

390 Be sure to print out (hard copy) what's going on in government right now. Document with text of Obama's prior speeches, etc..

History will NOT get this right. You'll want your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren to know the truth.

Who was responsible, etc..

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (BN/jk)

391 Patterico has a nice analysis of so-called "net neutrality" and because the Horde has mucho (a nod to our non-English overlords) experience with computers, net, and general usage, I think it is worth a look.

http://patterico.com/

Does not seem "neutral" to me.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (MIKMs)

392 I don't see the GOPe doing a thing to stop this.

What saddens me is that my grandkids have to grow up in the aftermath.

...and it makes wonder if I should have just skipped the heart surgery.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread is not feeling very chipper right now at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (4X5NS)

393 I woke up in Fantasyland today and started thinking of this.

What if Dear Leader's announcement tonight isn't about amnesty. What if he says that the border will be closed and secured and tells the Mehican government to assist in stopping the flow of latinos crossing our borders.

I need more coffee.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 12:13 PM (4jDmb)

Did you check yourself for a goatee and eyepatch?

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (GQ8sn)

394 If we had a real opposition party, they'd be axing the presstitutes why they aren't covering the important things.

The MFM can be successfully countered, but first you have to want to counter them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 12:09 PM (0HooB)

If we had a REAL opposition party key members of the media and government would be caught waking up in a sleazy motel with dead hookers.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (FMbng)

395 Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 20, 2014 12:05 PM (Q8F1m)

My sole liberal friend: a government employee.

All of my small businessman friends? Conservatives. To a man.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (oKE6c)

396 zero information voters...two edged sword. Works both ways, they won't care if we overstep just as they might not care obama overstepped.

next election is, uh, 2 years away. we can over step for now.

see e.g., doom predictions after last shutdown.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (Gysa/)

397 364 I live in VA. In a lovely new home suburban community. Most of my neighbors work in some fashion in government. We are next to a commuter train and most all commute to DC for their jobs at State, DOD, FBI, etc.

I work in the private sector.

My neighbors are nice people but I constantly hear them talk about how they take vaca time during the week, then work weekends at over/double time.

I'm at the point now where I want to scream out at our next gathering: "CAN I GET A THANK YOU!!!"
Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 20, 2014 12:05 PM (Q8F1m)

____________

My wife has a friend who is a teacher. Her husband is a govt flunky. Not sure what he does, some paper pushing bullshit job.

All summer, every summer, they're taking trips. Her, I can see, she has summers off as a teacher. But how the fuck does he take all this time off? He must have 10 weeks vacation a year.

I feel the same way, can I just get a simple THANK YOU every now and then?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

398 367 "About rescission - if you pass a bill removing funding you already provided - doesn't the president have to sign that new bill for it to become law?"

I believe so.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 12:06 PM (pYEaj)

Then rescission is a complete crock. Even if the GOP had the balls to do it - which I highly doubt - Obama would veto the bill. So, the idea that they can pass a CR now and then rescind part of it later is nonsense.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at November 20, 2014 12:16 PM (3ZtZW)

399 You just know they've already drafted the lawsuit, don't you?

Yep. It's one of the main points of my opposition to any "guest worker" program.

And it's actually a strong case- "no taxation without representation," is a cornerstone of American thought. Once you've let them in and they've started paying taxes, it is *very* hard to craft a philosophical argument against them voting beyond "we don't want them to."

Not impossible, mind you, but hard.

Much easier, in the long term, is simply never to offer an amnesty.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:16 PM (M1uf/)

400 If we had a REAL opposition party key members of the media and government would be caught waking up in a sleazy motel with dead hookers.

That was going to be my next suggestion.

I don't believe in no-win scenarios.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 20, 2014 12:16 PM (0HooB)

401 396 zero information voters...two edged sword. Works both ways, they won't care if we overstep just as they might not care obama overstepped.

next election is, uh, 2 years away. we can over step for now.

see e.g., doom predictions after last shutdown.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (Gysa/)

__________

BINGO!

I was making the same point yesterday. Most LIVs, which is to say most voters, won't even remember this happened by the next election

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2014 12:16 PM (0LHZx)

402 NO!; You shouldn't have stopped the heart surgery., Captain Whitebread While things look bad, you don't know what tomorrow will bring and your kids and grandkids need you now whatever is going on in DC.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:17 PM (RZlSA)

403 Patterico has a nice analysis of so-called "net neutrality" and because the Horde has mucho (a nod to our non-English overlords) experience with computers, net, and general usage, I think it is worth a look.

http://patterico.com/

Does not seem "neutral" to me.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (MIKMs)

NN is the equivalent of the Fairness Doctrine for radio.

Govt intervention to produce "fairness" as it sees fit.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2014 12:17 PM (GQ8sn)

404 If we had a REAL opposition party key members of the
media and government would be caught waking up in a sleazy motel with
dead hookers.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 20, 2014 12:15 PM (FMbng)

That probably happens now, just gets hushed up by the MSM.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:17 PM (oKE6c)

405 Posted by: Mustbequantum at November 20, 2014 12:14 PM (MIKMs)

"Net Neutrality" is f*cking ObamaCare for the internet.

Literally. It's first premise is "the Internet is a Right."

Which, as anyone watching this space knows, is false. You have no Right to what someone else must provide or produce.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:19 PM (M1uf/)

406 Where there is life there is hope

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 12:19 PM (Z36SR)

407 If we had a REAL opposition party key members of the
media and government would be caught waking up in a sleazy motel with
dead hookers.

"Dirty Work" with Norm MacDonald.

He makes a commercial against a rival used car lot with him going over to their lot and "discovering" dead hookers in the trunks of every car.

"Wow! I've never seen so many dead hookers in my life!!!"

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2014 12:19 PM (GQ8sn)

408 Someone knows the Horde

http://tinyurl.com/kdz3tof

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 20, 2014 12:19 PM (IMqkl)

409 396 zero information voters...two edged sword. Works both ways, they won't care if we overstep just as they might not care obama overstepped.
next election is, uh, 2 years away. we can over step for now.

That's so cute that you think we won't be blaring this everywhere all the time if YOU do it. People on Tierra del Fuego will know all about it, or at least what we want them to know about it. Fuckin' natives in Borneo will know all about it.

Posted by: The MSM at November 20, 2014 12:19 PM (oKE6c)

410 All I see looking back in every place in our society, is more
state control on each and every one of us, from the toilet we use
first thing in the morning, the food in our kitchens, the
products in our stores, our schools, our workplaces. It is not
an exaggeration to say that every single thing that we do from
waking to sleeping is subject to state approval, certification,
license and registration, authorization and or permitting, and in
many cases prohibition, and there is little to nothing you can
touch or do in our every day lives that in one way or another is
not touched by our all encompassing state masters.

We are not a free society any more. And tonight the executive is
putting the finishing screws in the coffin holding the
constitution, making the transition from freedom to slavery fully
official and complete.

And you-are-welcome, tavarisch.

So this is why I am saying; I AM DONE.

Speaking in the general not the specific of course, my fellow man
is not an honest law abiding citizen anymore. This, seemingly
has been true for many years but it is becoming inarguable. Our
president was elected twice, by these very people. He ignores
the rule of law, he ignores the very constitution that he swore
to abide and protect. And he is allowed to do so by the very
powers that the constitution has created specifically to stop
this, that is yet more tyrants and thieves that simply in point
of fact, care nothing about the law and about my freedom.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:20 PM (NJVms)

411 "If we had a REAL opposition party key members of the media and government would be caught waking up in a sleazy motel with dead hookers. "

RINO

why should they wake up?

Posted by: Ghost Haldeman at November 20, 2014 12:20 PM (pYEaj)

412 The ball is in the GOP's court. Except the GOP is that fat kid in gym class who couldn't even put his sneakers on the right feet. So, yeah, air ball.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2014 12:20 PM (m21KY)

413 >>>What is the name of the college pictured at the beginning?<<<

Carroll College - soon to be NAIA football champs again this year.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2014 12:21 PM (UzPAd)

414 They want you to give up. Why would you do what they want

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 12:22 PM (Z36SR)

415 "So this is why I am saying; I AM DONE."

I wouldn't quit caring. They are selling this because they openly proclaim a rebellion by 20 million people is too large to quash. They are too stupid to process the lesson.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 12:22 PM (pYEaj)

416 Except the GOP is that fat kid in gym class who couldn't even put his sneakers on the right feet

Speaking as "that fat kid in gym class" (well... I got my shoes on the right feet at least), I'm highly offended.

I at least hit the rim 4 times out of 5.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:22 PM (M1uf/)

417 Fenelon,

Yeah, you're right. To say I'm frustrated today is like saying the Sahara has a just a little sand.

I think I'm going to take a break from all this. The chaos will still be going on when I get back, I'm certain.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread is not feeling very chipper right now at November 20, 2014 12:22 PM (4X5NS)

418 Does "net neutrality" mean that someday, like oh, next year, AoS will be a pay site, where all sorts of personal data of the "subscribers" can be more easily swept up by the lazy-ass government workers paid to track "subversive sites"?

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (5+mPY)

419 "Net Neutrality" is f*cking ObamaCare for the internet.
Literally. It's first premise is "the Internet is a Right."
Which, as anyone watching this space knows, is false. You have no Right to what someone else must provide or produce.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:19 PM (M1uf/)

Yep. It's the Reds' answer to alternative media. They spent generations penetrating and then controlling the MSM, only to have the Internet produce alternative, uncontrolled news sources popping up like mushrooms after a heavy rain, complete with video clips proving that we were NOT always at war with Eastasia. Something must be done, comrades!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (oKE6c)

420 New bumper sticker I just made for my car:

"Somewhere in the third world, a banana republic is missing its dictator"

Posted by: Kasper Agonista at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (HqpV0)

421 Once again. Start hammering your governors and state reps to tell the fed to stick it where the sun don't shine. It should be obvious to everyone by now that everyone except for the few Americans in DC supposedly representing us is in on this. It's what they've wanted for a long time. They're willing to do nothing as long as Dear Leader is willing to take the fall.

Freedom resides in the states now. DC is a putrescent ball of corrupted shit now. We need to start ignoring them.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (4jDmb)

422 Does "net neutrality" mean that someday, like oh, next year, AoS will be
a pay site, where all sorts of personal data of the "subscribers" can
be more easily swept up by the lazy-ass government workers paid to track
"subversive sites"?

More or less, yes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (M1uf/)

423 I at least hit the rim 4 times out of 5.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:22 PM (M1uf/)

Damn. Wish I could be that good.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 20, 2014 12:24 PM (oKE6c)

424 So this is why I am saying; I AM DONE.

You're not done until we say you're done, serf.

Keep working to pay taxes. If you cheat or don't pay, we'll arrest you.

Retire? Fine. But we'll take that 401K from you. And maybe your pension. Or your house, if you get too uppity.

Do you want to live under a bridge like a bum, shivering in the cold? Of course you don't. So you'll fucking pay when we tell you to.

Now wipe our asses, peasant. And don't forget the taint.

Posted by: Your Betters in Government at November 20, 2014 12:24 PM (zF6Iw)

425 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:16 PM

Precisely. First they'll be amnestied, then the Dems will do a full court press on the 'taxation without representation' concept, then the spineless GOPe will roll over and legislate them straight to citizenship. Fvck this scenario in particular.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 12:24 PM (knoK7)

426
I saw this on a thread from yesterday... but bears repeating.

You want a George Washington
You'll settle for George Bush
We got a King George III

Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2014 12:25 PM (NaV4z)

427 387 The framers required the oath in the constitution under the assumption
that obviously any oath-takers would feel compelled to take up the
challenge of defending the constitution. They never imagined that the
oath would become just an opportunity for a photo suitable for framing
over the desk."

i'm involved in the lowest level of local government here in Lost Angels, #Failifornia.

after the last election, there was going to be a swearing in of the winners, but one person was running late, and they weren't sure what to do. the rep from DONE, the city department that oversees such things said that it was okay to take it without that person, since the oath was merely, in her words, a formality, and not actually binding.

since standing up and screaming "WTF, are you stupid?" and going on from there would have gotten me ejected, i had to just sit there and fume.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 20, 2014 12:25 PM (RiMtm)

428 "I wouldn't quit caring.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz"
I didn't say done caring.I am literally crying for the loss of our nation.

What I am saying is we need to wake up to the fact that the constitution is now null and void.

Because it's a fact.

And yes I weep for my and my children's future.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:25 PM (NJVms)

429 Thanks, ThunderB. Was it AllenG who mentioned that he was going to read some Emily Dickinson? Well here is her "Hope" poem which was around long before
this Obama nonsense of "hope".

http://tinyurl.com/cknfr3

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:25 PM (RZlSA)

430 418 Does "net neutrality" mean that someday, like oh, next year, AoS will be a pay site, where all sorts of personal data of the "subscribers" can be more easily swept up by the lazy-ass government workers paid to track "subversive sites"?
Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (5+mPY)

In the interest of "fairness," comrade, and to prevent counter-revolutionary lies from being promulgated. We'll still have free speech. You'll be free to sing the praises of the General Secretary any time you want. You just won't be free to tell counter-revolutionary lies.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:26 PM (oKE6c)

431 We need a DAY OF ACTION on the right.

Pick a day...December 6th for all I care and nobody do anything that day. Don't go to work, don't buy anything, don't use facebook, don't use twitter, just sit at home and go on strike for 24 hours.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (0LHZx)

432 I don't know who commented thusly earlier today, but it is right on.

The Congress should move to impeach immediately if for no other reason than to remove themselves from complicity in this insult.

Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (JgC5a)

433 It seems to be the case in Europe, too. Yes, very odd.

Survivors' Guilt for the World Wars?

That CAN be fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (maYD1)

434 be more easily swept up by the lazy-ass government workers paid to track
"subversive sites"?

More or less, yes.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:23 PM (M1uf/)
So, after Texas secedes, they could start their own internet system, and be free of Soviet America? I should start my moving plans. Will you accept asylum seekers?

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (5+mPY)

435 Keep working to pay taxes. If you cheat or don't pay, we'll arrest you.

Retire? Fine. But we'll take that 401K from you. And maybe your pension. Or your house, if you get too uppity.

You have so many layabouts to pay for, comrade. And you have White Privilege, the privilege of paying for everybody else.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (oKE6c)

436 The Congress should move to impeach immediately if for no other reason than to remove themselves from complicity in this insult.
Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (JgC5a)

----

.... hmmmmm.....

**taps chin**

Posted by: The Chamber Of Commerce at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (NaV4z)

437 What makes "Net Neutrality" so pernicious is the half-truths in which they wrap it.

They use this as a "for instance:"

"Let's say that internet providers look at all this bandwidth people are using, and they start charging by the byte. What would that do to your precious Fox News?"

Then they go with this one,

"And what if you just have some blog that no one reads, but suddenly you have some post go viral? How are you going to afford that?"

And, like any conspiracy theorist, saying, "You're nuts" does not actually deter them.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:29 PM (M1uf/)

438 So, after Texas secedes, they could start their own
internet system, and be free of Soviet America? I should start my
moving plans. Will you accept asylum seekers?

Posted by: kraken at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (5+mPY)

Took the words right out of my mouth. Me and mine are loyal Americans. Is there a place for us too?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:29 PM (oKE6c)

439 I fully believe he has had a list of things to do by EO while a lame duck He means to be impeached

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (Z36SR)

440 Can't wait for the kings speech tonight!

Posted by: thathalfrican at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (R5HRU)

441 Contact Speaker Boehner. It's better than just venting on the innertubes.

http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

Posted by: RickZ at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (8GQ0X)

442 So, after Texas secedes, they could start their own internet system, and be free of Soviet America?

Here's hoping...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (M1uf/)

443 Does "net neutrality" mean that someday, like oh, next year, AoS will be a pay site, where all sorts of personal data of the "subscribers" can be more easily swept up by the lazy-ass government workers paid to track "subversive sites"?
Posted by: kraken

Que, ese?
---Hose B
Pre-Paid Visa Card #

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (maYD1)

444 "Let's say that internet providers look at all this bandwidth people are
using, and they start charging by the byte. What would that do to your
precious Fox News?"

How did charging by byte/time work out for AOL?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (oKE6c)

445 "And what if you just have some blog that no one reads, but suddenly you have some post go viral? How are you going to afford that?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:29 PM (M1uf/)

----

So ..... youre saying this wont affect YOU at all???

Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (NaV4z)

446 That would be a National Strike Day and yes, someone needs to organize it and get out the word. Aside from people protesting on December 10th in DC against Obama's immigration ruling "Make Them Listen" website on Facebook has more information that would be a good day to shut thingsl down

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (RZlSA)

447 "Of course you know this means war!"

Posted by: B. Bunny, Esq. at November 20, 2014 12:32 PM (JO9+V)

448 How did charging by byte/time work out for AOL?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (oKE6c)

Yeah... they seem to miss that part. Or the part where even the Big Cellular networks are dropping data limits. Or the part where we're able to get *more* bandwidth, not less. Or...

Well, you get the idea.

So ..... youre saying this wont affect YOU at all???
Posted by: fixerupper at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (NaV4z)

That comment was deliberately calculated to wound.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 12:32 PM (M1uf/)

449 Posted by: RickZ at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (8GQ0X)

Yep.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:32 PM (RZlSA)

450 446 That would be a National Strike Day and yes, someone needs to organize it and get out the word. Aside from people protesting on December 10th in DC against Obama's immigration ruling "Make Them Listen" website on Facebook has more information that would be a good day to shut thingsl down
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:30 PM (RZlSA)

First thing to do: shitcan Facebook. Zuckerberg is part of the problem.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (oKE6c)

451
So, after Texas secedes, they could start their own internet system, and be free of Soviet America?

I guess I should start asking now. What will be Texas immigration policy? Need to get the paperwork rolling.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (sWgE+)

452 The framers required the oath in the constitution under the assumption that obviously any oath-takers would feel compelled to take up the challenge of defending the constitution. They never imagined that the oath would become just an opportunity for a photo suitable for framing over the desk."
----------------

I will point out, again, that the Koran *explicitly* allows lying, if the ends (the triumph of Islam) justify it. Moreover, if you are lying to an infidel..., well, pffft.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (/GgDU)

453 nood penis biting up.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (maYD1)

454 441
Contact Speaker Boehner. It's better than just venting on the innertubes.

http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

oh, wait....

were you serious?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

best joke i've heard so far today, and i really needed the laugh.

gracias, amigo!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 20, 2014 12:34 PM (RiMtm)

455 "Contact Speaker Boehner. It's better than just venting on the innertubes.

http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

Posted by: RickZ"

Of course. Have you tried? Because I did. It took me literally more than two hours of calling and waiting on hold and being hung up on. And when I finally did get one of those assholes on the phone I proceeded to read that Cruz excerpt on this post. And do you even think they listen for two damn seconds?
Yes it's a good thing to do.
No it's not going to be enough.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:34 PM (NJVms)

456 Fight

Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2014 12:35 PM (Z36SR)

457 I don't care for Facebook and I don't use it. I have a name there and nothing associated with it. I/m just saying that it is a way for people wanting to march stay connected.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:35 PM (RZlSA)

458 *raises white flag*

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: McConnel and Boehner at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (lN8KC)

459 O.K. Let's not contact ABYONE is government. Let's just sit on our backside, bitch and complain here and do nothing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (RZlSA)

460 Make that ANYONE.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (RZlSA)

461
Can't wait for the big push that'll probably start late summer of next year by the left for all these new tax paying workers to get the right to vote. About how horrible it would be for us to take their tax money and not let them have a say in how it's spent.

FML.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 12:07 PM (5ZFPz)

Solution: All illegals granted amnesty must take up residence in DC as a condition of their new status.

There. No votes.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (fwARV)

462 We've been Grubered again.

House Oversight Committee is reporting that Obama used at least 400,000 dental plan signups to magically hit their goal of 7 million Obamacare signups. Without using them they would have missed by a few hundred thousand.

Lying liars who lie.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2014 12:38 PM (g1DWB)

463
We need a DAY OF ACTION on the right.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Did you used to put out all those "Kill off the oil comapnies by not buying gas next Thursday" thingies?

Posted by: Meremortal at November 20, 2014 12:38 PM (wZ3EP)

464 Solution: All illegals granted amnesty must take up residence in DC as a condition of their new status.
There. No votes.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (fwARV)

I'm thinking Malibu and Marin county.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:39 PM (oKE6c)

465 I'm thinking Malibu and Marin county.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:39 PM (oKE6c)

But then they'd get to vote in national elections.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 12:40 PM (fwARV)

466 But then they'd get to vote in national elections.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 12:40 PM (fwARV)

You think voting restrictions will make a difference? What's violating the law concerning voting, when they've already violated the law by crossing the border?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:42 PM (oKE6c)

467 How to get the message out?
Past the LSM gatekeepers?
Geez, do I have to do all the easy fixes?
Senators go home and get the message out through the local news media. Town hall meetings. Mailers, you know, like all those that get sent before elections.
Just bypass the national media.
And cut off their access once you're in power.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 20, 2014 12:44 PM (Ze9kt)

468 You think voting restrictions will make a difference? What's violating the law concerning voting, when they've already violated the law by crossing the border?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:42 PM (oKE6c)

Touche.

well. we're enfuckened.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 20, 2014 12:45 PM (fwARV)

469 Suck it, you stupid racist haters. Your historic first multiracial President has beaten you again.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 20, 2014 12:46 PM (GoNER)

470 "How to get the message out?
Past the LSM gatekeepers?
Geez, do I have to do all the easy fixes? "

Get two guys to wear flesh colored obese suits and bad wigs, and run across the field at an NFL game holding a banner with a website URL

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 12:46 PM (pYEaj)

471 Ted Cruz has exactly the right idea. The only addition is that welfare and Section 8 payments need to be funded month to month, bill to bill, until Obama is forced to sign the bills.

If he doesn't want to sign the Department of Homeland Security Bill which also contains this months funds for welfare and Section 8, he can deal with the aftermath.

Most of us probably don't give a shit if Detroit and other poor, urban areas burn.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2014 12:50 PM (AC0lD)

472 Liberal co-worker was talking shit yesterday about how gas prices were low and unemployment was low so what is everyone bitching about. I said you are literally one of the dumbest fucking people alive, how do you function on a daily basis without a padded helmet protecting you from further brain damage?

This banging the drum about unconstitutionality doesn't mean shit to the average person. You know how many people around me weren't even aware of the flood of 'minors' recently? A helluva lot. It's maddening. They will NOT ever pay attention until it hits them where it hurts. Just don't know where that is yet because even folks on unemployment have effing ipads and shit.

I'm very much in a 'hate them all, burn in hell' mood today. Can we segregate already?

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 12:50 PM (5ZFPz)

473 The only addition is that welfare and Section 8 payments need to be
funded month to month, bill to bill, until Obama is forced to sign the
bills.

To hell with that. Defund entirely, immediately. Once Obongo signs the bills we want, we'll think about a few crumbs for welfare and Section 8.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:51 PM (oKE6c)

474 Most of us probably don't give a shit if Detroit and other poor, urban areas burn.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2014 12:50 PM (AC0lD)

I do. I think their burning would be a huge improvement.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:52 PM (oKE6c)

475 431 We need a DAY OF ACTION on the right.

Pick a day...December 6th for all I care and nobody do anything that day. Don't go to work, don't buy anything, don't use facebook, don't use twitter, just sit at home and go on strike for 24 hours.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2014 12:27 PM (0LHZx)

You mean a "Day of Inaction", right?

And you just described my typical weekend.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2014 12:53 PM (zoehZ)

476 "But shutdowns are terrible Team GOP will cry! First, they clearly
aren't. You need look no further than the results of two weeks ago for
proof of that. But no one is talking about a shutdown."

But it didn't really work, either. Team Perpetual Grievances is more concerned with its own damn ego than what actually worked in the past. But Ok, Team Ralph Kramden. Scream at the RINOs that your Get Conservative Quick plan is totes going to work *this* time.

For flip's sake. How quick did Team Anti-Establishment go from "This is the only thing that'll stop it!" to "At least we made a stand for the elections!"?

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (EQcfE)

477 142 The fourth estate is the fifth column.

Next to the sixth pillar.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 11:10 AM (tvSum)

Before the seventh seal.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 20, 2014 01:31 PM (znT2j)

478 Also- who will be paying those fees? Because I guarantee you 15 million illegals won't be. That would be "racist."

Posted by: AllenG
-----------------

This is easy. Practically any determination of action by USICS is rubber stamped before a administrative judge. Defund the judge, the court and the supporting staff that the system comes to a halt.

Posted by: JohnMc at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (RHBWt)

479 "But it didn't really work, either. Team Perpetual Grievances is more concerned with its own damn ego than what actually worked in the past. But Ok, Team Ralph Kramden. Scream at the RINOs that your Get Conservative Quick plan is totes going to work *this* time."

You are now berating Conservatives for the treachery of moderate liberal Republicans. Yeah, boy did we screw up, having you around.

Won't happen again.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 02:08 PM (pYEaj)

480 I don't see it as the ball being in the GOPs' court, the ball is in OUR court. We need to start dumping Democrats out of office at ALL levels of government immediately, starting with the first elections of 2015 (including state, local, municipal, hell homeowners association).

It is time to absolutely and totally destroy the Democratic Party and we have it in our power to do so.

Posted by: crosspatch at November 20, 2014 05:40 PM (0hM1v)

481 First thing: Anyone still registered as a Democrat, it's time to fix that. There are a lot of people in places like Texas and other Southern states that vote for GOP candidates but are still registered as Democrats. That should change tomorrow morning. Hike down to your registrar of voters and change your party registration.

Posted by: crosspatch at November 20, 2014 05:41 PM (0hM1v)

482 Google "Hal Rogers Family Entertainment and Water Park."

Posted by: saltlick at November 20, 2014 06:31 PM (5gAvC)

483 Hey DrewM, this is what happens when you let it burn, asshole.

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