Jon Gruber Made $6 Million From the American Taxpayer, Advising Government Officials On His Own Plan

Obamacare might have cost you a lot of money, but it's been very good to Jon Gruber.

Byron York writes more about the "Obamacare Profiteers."

The $400,000 paid to him by the Obama Administration was only the beginning of the gravy train.

But after the bill became law, Gruber made a good deal more from it. The Affordable Care Act provided for states to set up exchanges to sell taxpayer-subsidized insurance coverage. For those states that chose to do so, exchanges would have to be built from the ground up. Studies would have to be done. Contracts would be let.
In 2010, the state of Wisconsin, under Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle, paid Gruber $400,000 to do a study of the impact of healthcare refom...
In the two years between March 2011 and March 2013, the state of Minnesota paid Gruber $329,000 to study how to make its exchange conform with Affordable Care Act requirements.
In 2012, the state of West Virginia signed a contract with Gruber to study its healthcare system. "The state will pay MIT professor Jonathan Gruber $121,500 to understand the states health insurance landscape and revisit key assumptions about state health care policy," the Charleston Daily Mail reported in September of that year. "Gruber is a policy rock star of sorts. He's advised more than a half dozen states on health care reform."
In November 2011, the state of Vermont hired a consulting firm that used Gruber to study the state exchange. Gruber was paid at least $91,875 for his work.
In 2012, the state of Michigan included Gruber in a multi-firm, $481,050 contract to study its exchange system. It's not clear how much of that went to Gruber himself.

Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.

I have light-to-moderate ebola.

BTW: Barack Obama's YouTube channel contains a video of Jon Gruber stating that he is the architect of Obamacare.

So that should end the attempt by the left to claim that only "the right" calls Gruber Obamacare's "architect."

Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval. Good.

Posted by: Ace at 01:52 PM

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1 Crime pays.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 01:53 PM (evdj2)

2 What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1!?!!!?!?1?/

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 17, 2014 01:53 PM (HSmrB)

3 Money for my friends and none for you and you will fuckin like it!

Posted by: Fredo at November 17, 2014 01:53 PM (M0mf2)

4 Hope you are feeling better Ace.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 01:54 PM (RJMhd)

5 Well, this is a fun day.

This shit with Gruber, plus I'm currently under a Tornado Warning. Got the alert on my phone to "Seek Shelter Now".

Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 01:54 PM (da5Wo)

6 Yo, where's my cut?

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at November 17, 2014 01:54 PM (ZWRoJ)

7 That ain't work, that's the way you do it. Money for nuthin' and your chicks for free.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 01:54 PM (evdj2)

8 So they finally found someone that could afford the care under the affordable care act.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2014 01:55 PM (sDapq)

9 The best part is that the consulting gig was essentially the same thing, repeated in state after state.

In other words, he made all that money for expressing the same (or very similar) conclusions again and again.

Posted by: MTF at November 17, 2014 01:55 PM (6um35)

10 Good work, if you can get it. Rotten, thieving bastards.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at November 17, 2014 01:55 PM (cgH9o)

11 #9-in other words, repeating the same lies over and over again.

Posted by: ejo at November 17, 2014 01:55 PM (rsGj7)

12 Never trust a rich economist.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 01:55 PM (MMC8r)

13 The ProgressiveGolden Rule: He who makes the rules gets the gold.

Posted by: Hulugu at November 17, 2014 01:56 PM (VSm85)

14 Cheap for govt work.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 17, 2014 01:56 PM (FA3Z7)

15 Which way to the pitchfork shed?

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 01:56 PM (/Ho8c)

16 I just heard about this.

Posted by: SCOaMT at November 17, 2014 01:56 PM (Ua6T/)

17 Fredocare has bin berry berry good to me

Posted by: Gruber at November 17, 2014 01:56 PM (M0mf2)

18 The Affordable Care Act

***

Jeezuz gawd.

Kid: "Daddy are you telling me there isn't a Santa Claus!!?"

Republicans:

Sit down son, you've been Grubered.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 01:56 PM (RJMhd)

19 Money, money, money

Must be funny

In the rich man's world

Posted by: ABBA at November 17, 2014 01:57 PM (bRPUY)

20 Drop him in Ferguson.
Release the Grand Jury findings
Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2014 01:57 PM (n0a1r)

21 And that stupid Madoff went to prison.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 17, 2014 01:57 PM (XUKZU)

22 I am reminded of the richest classmate at my 20th HS reunion. He has a degree in metallurgy, yet never did any work in the field. He just testifies for crooked lawyers in personal injury cases.

He drove his Rolls to the reunion.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 01:57 PM (evdj2)

23 let's sue him to get the money back

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 01:57 PM (M0mf2)

24 Jon Gruber? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (Zbknu)

25 Well, when you steal $600, you can just disappear. When you steal 6 million, they will find you, unless they think you're already dead.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (NaV4z)

26 I don't get it? What did Gruber do wrong?

Posted by: A-Rod at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (M0mf2)

27 12 Never trust a rich ~~econom~~ socialist.

ule to live by.

Posted by: MTF at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (6um35)

28 Actual question: Since those studies were done with tax payer money, shouldn't those studies be available for public review?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm so funny. Sometimes even on purpose!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

29 Word is out that Gruber wrote op-eds for major newspapers praising OCare without disclosure of his conflict of interest. These op-eds are not exactly consistent with what he actually believed, as shown by the tapes, just sayin'

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (2fD4U)

30 In the words of that old Pace commercial, "Stranger, get a rope."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (+bodw)

31 Everybody's got a price. *evil laughter*

Posted by: Ted DeBiase at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (4/i9Y)

32 Somewhere, in some far off Clintonian galaxy, Ira Magaziner weeps.

Posted by: Hulugu at November 17, 2014 01:58 PM (VSm85)

33 Grubergate is giving Ezra Klein a lot of heartburn. Couldn't happen to a nicer Obamanaut.

Corruption, mendacity, and subterfuge all the way down to the marrow in their bones.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (JBggj)

34 I have light-to-moderate ebola.

As if further proof was needed of your RINOness.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (IN7k+)

35 I demand a refund.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving rope and a tree at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (baiNQ)

Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (Qgr71)

37 21
And that stupid Madoff went to prison.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 17, 2014 01:57 PM (XUKZU)

I am not done yet.

Posted by: History at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (sDapq)

38 This..
...is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Carie Otter at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (xvWzv)

39 Word is out that Gruber wrote op-eds for major newspapers praising OCare without disclosure of his conflict of interest.

And the White House cited his 'studies' as showing that the plan was a winner, never disclosing it was HIS PLAN.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (MMC8r)

40 Son why do you rob banks? Because that is where the money is

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (M0mf2)

41 In fairness though, I'd have taken the money too. I'm not made of stone, you know.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (evdj2)

42 Sock off of a band my dad used to make us listen to for punishment!

Posted by: pookysgirl at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (bRPUY)

43 Quit picking on Gruber. He was not wearing clothes that are demeaning to women while he performed his studies.

Posted by: Furious George at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (UlJ3l)

44 Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.

I have light-to-moderate ebola.

**********

Arby's drive-thru....it's not just for your car--it's for your O-ring.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (RJMhd)

45

So.... this really has nothing to do with Asian dawn??? It was always about the money???

Posted by: fixerupper at November 17, 2014 02:00 PM (NaV4z)

46 *dons hazmat suit*

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 02:00 PM (/Ho8c)

47 As I recall, he justified the whole effort as being necessary because the physicians make too much money, thus health care costs are too high. I believe it was in the first video.

Posted by: Dr Greensleeves at November 17, 2014 02:00 PM (iEjM/)

48 Bet he used every tax deduction possible to avoid as much tax as possible.

Posted by: anchovy at November 17, 2014 02:00 PM (PtVFw)

49 Quit picking on Gruber. He was not wearing clothes that are demeaning to women while he performed his studies.

As far as *you* know.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:00 PM (evdj2)

50 >>>Jon Gruber Made $6 Million From the American Taxpayer, Advising Government Officials On His Own Plan<<<

This was by far a greater thievery than snagging $640 million in bearer bonds from the Nakatomi vault.

Posted by: John Gruber at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (nlPax)

51
Ace:

8 days is a LONG time to have a flu. I think you best get to a doctor.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (CMkNk)

52 Henceforth known as the "Ebola Blogger". NTTAWWT

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (zllbf)

53 In other news, Ace rolled a 1 on his Fortitude save yet again.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (4/i9Y)

54 Money it's a hit

Don't give me that do goody good bullshit

I'm in the hi-fidelity first class traveling set

And I think I need a Lear jet

Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (sDapq)

55 45,

He read about it in Time Magazine.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (+bodw)

56 That Whole 'Self Licking Ice Cream Cone " phrase?

Not many of us use it.

And I suspect that most of us who do are no stranger to Sal's front porch.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (n0a1r)

57 Nice work if you can get it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:01 PM (M0mf2)

58
Posted by: pookysgirl at November 17, 2014 01:59 PM (bRPUY)
/
Your Waterloo?

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (sWgE+)

59 I recommend drinking heavily.

Posted by: brak at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (Tj+s6)

60 Besides the extra taxes I pay, our health insurance has more than doubled since 2010. It cost as much as a mortgage now.

Thanks you cocksucking turd.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (sH832)

61 I'm of half a mind to call up my college profs and interrogate them as to why they didn't just teach us how to fill out grant proposals for federal funding.

Seriously, why learn how to build a business or spend 8 years becoming a white collar professional when the surest route to success seems to be becoming a professional parrot for the deep state?

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (/lTUs)

62 I'll have you know I'm an exceptional thief.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (evdj2)

63 Quit picking on Gruber. He was not wearing clothes that are demeaning to women while he performed his studies.

A 'Sarah Palin Is A C*NT' t-shirt would have been acceptable.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (MMC8r)

64 You shuold see what the Obamacare wrenches cost!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (zllbf)

65 Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.

So sorry, Ace. I had that last week. It really knocks you for a loop.

Get some fluids, hot soup and rest.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (zF6Iw)

66 Lots of fluids, Ace.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (ZKzrr)

67 alex i would assume the information is public infromation..

if we had another govt.

Ace?

Thera Flu.

srsly i don't think i would have survived it this year if not for thera flu.

and hot toddies.

but you can negate the hot toddies if you feel scared like a little boy.

(looks back to see if that gets his juices flowing)

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (nqBYe)

68 As I said.

It's a tax.

Posted by: John 'Iscariot' Roberts at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (Qgr71)

69 I'm sorry you're still sick, Ace.

Did you get a flu shot? They don't help & I'm never getting another.
I hope you get better soon. Try doubling up on vitamins.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (sj3Ax)

70 "What, was that wrong?"

Posted by: Gruber Costanza at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (zllbf)

71 Obama just said that he doesn't know from Gruber and that Gruber wasn't part of the WH OCare team. But one of the Gruber revelations was that he was in the Oval Office when Obama personally weighed in on using the Cadillac Tax trick: using the rate of health care inflation -- not the CPI -- to have the Cadillac Tax exponentially increase over time. You know -- the tax that HHS later exempted unions from.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (2fD4U)

72 Seriously, why learn how to build a business or spend 8 years becoming a
white collar professional when the surest route to success seems to be
becoming a professional parrot for the deep state?

We're living our lives all wrong, aren't we?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (ZKzrr)

73 I wish Coloradan voters knew about Hickenlooper's role in this before they voted

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (Yc4/E)

74 60 Besides the extra taxes I pay, our health insurance has more than doubled since 2010. It cost as much as a mortgage now.

Thanks you cocksucking turd.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (sH832)

Over $1700/mo for a family of four. Just medical.

Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (da5Wo)

75 66
Lots of fluids, Ace.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (ZKzrr)

C'mere Ace.

Posted by: Ewok Fetishist at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (sDapq)

76 Silly wingnut h8ers

We wouldn't have the overwhelming success and ease of use and cost savings if we hadn't sought out his advice.

Worth every penny.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (fWAjv)

77 Ace is trapped in a flue?!?

What was the guy thinking? Christmas isn't for another month! And what is it with guys and loooooong chimneys anyway?

Oh, has the flu ....

Never mind.

Posted by: Emily Litella at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (P+IZm)

78 Gruber also helped Romney with Romneycare here in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (sj3Ax)

79 Your Waterloo?

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:02 PM (sWgE+)

We were hard rock kids. My dad secretly loved the 70s, and found creative ways to punish his mulishly stubborn children.

Posted by: pookysgirl at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (bRPUY)

80 His shirt has parrot shit on the shoulder. That's demeaning to me, an otherly-abled pirate.

Posted by: Long John Silver at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (7MWCL)

81 Ace has made medical history. The first case of crab transmitted ebola.

Posted by: maddogg at November 17, 2014 02:05 PM (xWW96)

82 As I recall, he justified the whole effort as being necessary because the physicians make too much money

-
Yeah, doctors were amputating legs unnecessarily just for the fat paycheck. Obama put a stop to that.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 17, 2014 02:05 PM (XUKZU)

83 We should look on the bright side. When we troop over to have Thanksgiving dinner with my wife's family (yellow dog democrats, except for the one asshole who is an "old yeller" democrat) we should have gobs and gobs of stuff to talk about. I usually start noting that the assholes in the room wer stupid enough to vote for Delaware's own Joe Biden seven times. It goes downhill from there. Fun times.

Posted by: Blue Hen hates living in Delaware now at November 17, 2014 02:05 PM (Spluw)

84 Lot's of fluids, rest, and fashionable attire to attract young girls into a career in journalism.

Posted by: Rose Evileth at November 17, 2014 02:05 PM (zxQ4h)

85 A 'Sarah Palin Is A C*NT' t-shirt would have been acceptable.
Posted by: ---

All of the doctors on the White House lawn were given those T-shirts along with their lab coats. Dr. Ponytail Douchenozzle hasn't taken his off yet.

Posted by: Furious George at November 17, 2014 02:05 PM (UlJ3l)

86 HR, i wished i would have the temerity ( or lack of morality) to rip off govt and the tax payers . Who cares if it hurts everyone in the long run. I'd get mine.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (nqBYe)

87 New Gruber Video Obamacare Opponents Are Racist, Oppose Law For Racial Reasons

Gruber also says opponents are just too dumb to understand.

Weasel Zippers

"Racist"--well we knew that was coming

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (M0mf2)

88
Lots of fluids, Ace.

Val-U-Rite makes a Vodka for colds now.
It's the same as regular Vodka but costs more.
And it's green. Or orange, I forget.

I think they just put Harbo Sugarless Gummi Bears in it to make sure you never get rid of the runs.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (sH832)

89
DONT YOU ASSHOLES **DARE** CALL HIM "EBOLA BLOGGER"..

Posted by: Ebola Nurse at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (NaV4z)

90 *dons hazmat suit*

Get better soon, Ace.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (/Ho8c)

91 Ace

One of us is taking up a collection to help you deal with at least one of your symptoms.

It's what friends do....when they care enough to go the extra mile.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (n0a1r)

92 We're living our lives all wrong, aren't we?

Yup. Turns out our "betters" are so crazily involved in keeping the whole Ponzi scheme of a US economy going that it would have been better for me to live my entire life (so far) as a leech on the state.

Bitter? Who, me?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2014 02:06 PM (zF6Iw)

93
Posted by: pookysgirl at November 17, 2014 02:04 PM (bRPUY)

I survied Lawence Welk and Hee Haw. Except for the nervous twitch I have now the psychogist says I'm fine.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:07 PM (sWgE+)

94 >>>8 days is a LONG time to have a flu. I think you best get to a doctor.

not really. I looked it up, flus usually last a week and can last two weeks.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:07 PM (/FnUH)

95 flu with cold lasts a mth year after year for me.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (nqBYe)

96 looked it up, flus usually last a week and can last two weeks.

Are you past the Pray-for-death part?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (evdj2)

97 >>>Lots of fluids, Ace.

i'm doing that, but I only started doing that yesterday.

I always ignored the 'lots of fluids" advice.

now i'm drinking a lot.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (/FnUH)

98 MONEY WELL SPENT!!

Seriously though, Gruber needs his own talk show. He could spend an hour just talking about how smart he is and how stupid everyone else is. It would be the best thing to happen to the GOP. The more he talks the worse the administration and progressivism in general looks.

Posted by: Nonapod at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (CLP9I)

99 I survived Hee Haw, but not the armed robbers.

Posted by: Stringbean at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (UlJ3l)

100 not really. I looked it up, flus usually last a week and can last two weeks.
Posted by: ace

On the bright side, you have us.....Please stop screaming.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (Spluw)

101 Doctors were making, what $1000, amputating legs? Idiot had no clue how much things cost.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (sj3Ax)

102
I survied Lawence Welk and Hee Haw.
-------

".... gloom ... despair.... and agony on meeee...."

"A one-a and a two-a""

Posted by: fixerupper at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (NaV4z)

103
I survied Lawence Welk and Hee Haw.
-------

".... gloom ... despair.... and agony on meeee...."

"A one-a and a two-a""

Posted by: fixerupper at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (NaV4z)

104 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House...

Especially Jon Gruber

Posted by: John McCain at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (kFxpe)

105 now i'm drinking a lot.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (/FnUH)

Val-u-rite doesn't count. Seriously, man, feel better.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (DrWcr)

106 now i'm drinking a lot.

So are we all, brah. So are we all.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (evdj2)

107 101 Doctors were making, what $1000, amputating legs? Idiot had no clue how much things cost.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (sj3Ax)

Feet and tonsils.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (DrWcr)

108
what's funny is as we speak they're pulling the same ruse with global warming

Posted by: Soothsayer, All Knowing Of (Approximate) Knowledge at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (esnsL)

109 So--do you want to know what they--er, Gruber has planned next for phase two of Hillary-Obama--Hillary Care?

After they blow the costs through the roof--Gruber has some ideas.

I found this youtube video.

First he is suppose to be teaching MICRO-Economics--but guess what?

It's full of MACRO--ObamaCare.

The video is uploaded around Feb. 2012.

at about the 33 minute mark--after he has discussed how they might not be able to "control" the cost of ObamaCare (IIRC)--

he talks about controlling PROVIDERS--he has an idea called--

"Prospective Reimbursements"

Basically they pay your provider upfront a certain amount per patient--and what your provider does not spend on you--he gets to keep.

If he decides to run any expensive test on you--he assumes the risk.

Soon there will be very few providers--after that is implemented , imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmolioUklXI

(Also he is ripping these kids off--I have no idea how you can consider ObamaCare--"microeconomics.)

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (RJMhd)

110 >>>Are you past the Pray-for-death part?

yeah I think so... the pray for death came on like saturday.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (/FnUH)

111 New Gruber Video Obamacare Opponents Are Racist, Oppose Law For Racial Reasons

Yeah.

It has nothing to do with the massive taxes and rate increases he himself was providing the deceptions to cover.

But play the Race Card, it's just sooo easy.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (MMC8r)

112 Maybe it would be a good idea before the Thanksgiving festivities begin just to say, "Let's Have an agreement not to talk about politics"?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (RZlSA)

113
I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he did here.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (NaV4z)

114 now i'm drinking a lot.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (/FnUH)

Ignore the lots of fluids advice. Hookers and blow. At least you'll be miserable with a smile on your muzzle.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (sDapq)

115 This piece is really quite amazing.
Bret Baier @BretBaier
Read THIS from Jane Hamsher--on 3/18/2010 -She lays it ALL out about Gruber in 2010- 2 days before House passage:
http://t.co/xV6A5bkIO0

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (ZPrif)

116 HR, i wished i would have the temerity ( or lack of morality) to rip off
govt and the tax payers . Who cares if it hurts everyone in the long
run. I'd get mine.

Don't get me started.

Maybe I can still find a crooked doctor to write scripts for mobility scooters.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (ZKzrr)

117 Flu cure:

16 oz. of chicken broth
2 jalapeno peppers
1 1/4 white onion
1 tsp minced garlic

Finely mince peppers and onion. Bring broth to boil. Add peppers, onion and garlic. Reduce heat and simmer for 5 minutes. Drink from mug. Repeat every 4 hours.

Posted by: angler at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (+zZOH)

118 I knew the 400 large was just the tip for this smug asshole. I hope he is now catching a world of grief for opening his arrogant trap and gets called to share with the House or Senate so somebody with the cross-examination skills of Trey Gowdy gets him under oath so Gruber can put a 2016 prosecution and conviction for perjury, lying to the US Congress and obstruction of justice on his all so important resume. F*cking thieving asshole. *spit*

Posted by: eureka! at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (Zbknu)

119 Our Low Information President thought it was anywhere from $30,000 to $50,000 to amputate a leg.

Posted by: Furious George at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (UlJ3l)

120 now i'm drinking a lot.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (/FnUH)
i know right?

how else could i get to get through this presidency.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (nqBYe)

121 now i'm drinking a lot.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (/FnUH)
i know right?

how else could i get to get through this presidency.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (nqBYe)

122 Jon Gruber wears offensive Hawaiian shirts!

bit.ly/1umtaIw

Posted by: MTF at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (6um35)

123 3 Money for my friends and none for you and you will fuckin like it!

Posted by: Fredo at November 17, 2014 01:53 PM (M0mf2)

The North East really is in favor of slavery after all. They just don't like calling it that.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (txvbW)

124 "Light-to-moderate Ebola"

I guess the group hug is out, huh?

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (wlPue)

125 Weekly Standard with a good Gruber piece.

The CBO Effectively Used Gruber's Model to Score Obamacare | The Weekly Standard:
http://tinyurl.com/ouk59t5

Two well-placed sources on Capitol Hill say that the Congressional Budget Office effectively used Jonathan Gruber's model to score Obamacare. That model favors government mandates over market competition and claims that essentially the only way to achieve a large reduction in the number of uninsured Americans is to impose an Obamacare-like individual mandate. Moreover, because the model that the CBO used in scoring Obamacare is the same one it uses today, any alternative to Obamacare that doesn't include an individual mandate -- which is to say, any conservative alternative -- would be scored by the CBO as falling well short, in terms of coverage numbers, of Gruber's preferred legislation.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (ZPrif)

126 >>Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval. Good.

Won't change a thing. Chief Justice Screwjob will make sure of that.

Posted by: dogfish at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (1vYi0)

127 Read THIS from Jane Hamsher--on 3/18/2010 -She lays it ALL out about Gruber in 2010- 2 days before House passage:

SHE'S RACIST, TOO!!!

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (MMC8r)

128 The North East really is in favor of slavery after all. They just don't like calling it that.
Posted by: D-Lamp

Yeah, we never cottoned to it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (Spluw)

129 One wonders how these Gruber videos may have been used if we ran a candidate who had not also hired Gruber. Well done GOP, well done.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (gmeXX)

130 Maybe it would be a good idea before the Thanksgiving festivities begin just to say, "Let's Have an agreement not to talk about politics"?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (RZlSA)

That's why you're a good person, FS, and I am not. I'm a firm believer in shoving people's stupidity back down their throats until they choke.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2014 02:11 PM (zF6Iw)

131 Heh. Reminds me of Stan Freberg's Lawrence Welk spoof.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (7MWCL)

132 You're stupid and I'm rich means I win, you lose.

Posted by: Jonathan Goober at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (wAQA5)

133 98,

Hence why I laughed my ass off at the Downfall parody of this, where Hitler starts ranting about how he'd have given contraceptives to Herr Gruber's mother of he knew he'd shoot his mouth off about it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (+bodw)

134 So Ace's flu is the new #twoweeks?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (4/i9Y)

135 I always wait three weeks--after that--it's time to go in.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (RJMhd)

136 I would like to know if someone waved the magic wand and made Gruber exempt from his epic failure.

Posted by: Drider at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (gVb/I)

137 Gruber the money grubber.

Posted by: Lester at November 17, 2014 02:12 PM (2UPXV)

138 Our Low Information President thought it was anywhere from $30,000 to $50,000 to amputate a leg.

Projection. President Wagyu is used to getting overpaid.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:13 PM (MMC8r)

139 I once got the flu during winter break from college. Knocked me on my ass for about a week, then I spent the rest of the time recuperating. Worst. Break. Ever.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2014 02:13 PM (DrWcr)

140 118 I knew the 400 large was just the tip for this smug asshole. I hope he is now catching a world of grief for opening his arrogant trap and gets called to share with the House or Senate so somebody with the cross-examination skills of Trey Gowdy gets him under oath so Gruber can put a 2016 prosecution and conviction for perjury, lying to the US Congress and obstruction of justice on his all so important resume. F*cking thieving asshole. *spit*

Posted by: eureka! at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (Zbknu) ]

Six million dollars for that goddamn communist fucker? Yeah, he needs to go to prison. While we're at it, we need to be throwing a lot of these lying Liberal fuckers who want to get rich through creating\implementing governmental policy in prison.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:13 PM (txvbW)

141 now i'm drinking a lot.

Posted by: ace at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (/FnUH)

Explains so much.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 02:13 PM (fWAjv)

142 SH, i guess they are equal opportunity pocket pickers.

if fairness (chokes) Romney said it wouldn't work mationally..

i guess the feds money means our/ money collectively .

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:13 PM (nqBYe)

143 Maybe it would be a good idea before the Thanksgiving festivities begin just to say, "Let's Have an agreement not to talk about politics"? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 02:09 PM (RZlS)

I've tried that. They've started crap in my house. That includes my sainted mother-in-law. We moved Easter from our house because of it. They took the shit show on the road.

So. eitherI rip into all of 'em, or the kids and I stay home. Either one works for me.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:14 PM (Spluw)

144 So now we know how Gruber's model was so uncannily accurate at predicting the CBO model -- the CBO model *was* the Gruber model.

And still is. And the Gruber model has preference for mandates and socialized medicine baked in the cake. Conservative reforms literally can't pass the CBO scoring model -- cause it's just the Gruber model.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:14 PM (ZPrif)

145 Hmm, I wonder what a degree in professional Rent Seeking Studies would entail.

Probably several semesters in Stats for familiarity with bullshit-generating models.
PolySci for some obscure knowledge on antiquated legislation.
PreLaw for the ability to weaponize the legal process.
Psych for key insights for ingratiating oneself to the 'elite,' eroding any kind of sense of decency, guilt, or qualms about being a rent seeking jackass.

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 17, 2014 02:14 PM (/lTUs)

146 Fenelon does that work in yourhousehold?

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:14 PM (nqBYe)

147 Maybe it would be a good idea before the Thanksgiving festivities begin just to say, "Let's Have an agreement not to talk about politics"

You might as well ask us to forgo the Feats of Strength.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:14 PM (evdj2)

148

Somebody once asked on the first Gruber thread how he could afford to keep so many expensive parrots.

Now you know.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 17, 2014 02:15 PM (NaV4z)

149 Our Low Information President thought it was anywhere from $30,000 to $50,000 to amputate a leg.

How long do you have to stay in a hospital after the procedure?

It's not that doctors prefer to amputate your gangrenous leg, it's that they can't do anything to make you follow your prescribed treatment regime after you're first diagnosed with teh diabeetus.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:15 PM (ZKzrr)

150 And here's a dose of reality
Kenneth P. Green @KennethPGreen 16m
US has most progressive taxation among OECD countries. Top 20% pay virtually 100% of taxes and transfers to poor: http://goo.gl/oAqof3

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:15 PM (ZPrif)

151 Jordan et al. ought to be looking for ways to have this guy debarred from federal contracting.

Posted by: DrSteve at November 17, 2014 02:15 PM (wwKgz)

152 Yeah, well, if you're really congested then coke kinda becomes too big a hassle to deal with

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 17, 2014 02:15 PM (Yc4/E)

153 We make such a mistake in thinking everything's ideological. The Obama administration has been cui bono from the beginning. There's always some rich fatcat -- corporate or law -- that's benefitting handsomely from this administration.

But if Europe has taught me anything, it's that socialism pays quite well indeed.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (L2xDv)

154 So now we know how Gruber's model was so uncannily accurate at predicting the CBO model -- the CBO model *was* the Gruber model.

Gruber in, Gruber out.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (MMC8r)

155 So that should end the attempt by the left to claim that only "the right" calls Gruber Obamacare's "architect."

Remember, it's the height of doxxing to quote accurately anyone on the Left.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (mf5HN)

156
And the Gruber model has preference for mandates and socialized medicine baked in the cake. Conservative reforms literally can't pass the CBO scoring model -- cause it's just the Gruber model.

Soo your saying that the game was fixed from the beginning.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (sWgE+)

157 148,

Expensive parrots? Is that what they are calling Dem politicians these days?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (+bodw)

158 I think people need to find out where Gruber lives and works and picket those places I'm not saying go on his property and certainly NOT endorsing any kind of violence, but people need to stand outside these places and show that they know what's going on and that he is a lair and a thief.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (RZlSA)

159 That's why you're a good person, FS, and I am not. I'm a firm believer in shoving people's stupidity back down their throats until they choke.

And then curbstomping them so hard that they think twice about opening their trap.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (cGoQr)

160
Obamacare is the demon seed, it should be strangled in its little baby sleep.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (1nB6R)

161 SH, i guess they are equal opportunity pocket pickers.

if fairness (chokes) Romney said it wouldn't work nationally..

----

It really is amazing to me that the GOP's 2012 nominee - an election that was basically a referendum on Obamacare - was someone who could not criticize Obamacare.

But to some extent it is working out for the GOP. Ten days ago, they reached heights they rarely reach.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (gmeXX)

162 Jane Hamsher, who wrote the HuffPo piece cited by Constanza in comment 115, is no conservative either. She's the founder of Firedoglake, which you might recall is a prominent lefty site especially popular a couple of years.

Posted by: MTF at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (6um35)

163 The only reason RomneyCare "worked" is because the Federal Government picked up the shortfalls thanks to intervention by the, as Mark Levin like to call him, the Cape Cod Orca, Teddy Kennedy.

Posted by: Hepcat at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (yQRD6)

164 Gruber? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (ABcz/)

165 >>This piece is really quite amazing.
Bret Baier @BretBaier
Read THIS from Jane Hamsher--on 3/18/2010 -She lays it ALL out about Gruber in 2010- 2 days before House passage:
http://t.co/xV6A5bkIO0

Yea, I sent that one to ace last week. Pretty amazing that the far left was calling out Gruber years ago but nobody paid attention.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)

166 Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval.

So approximately 37% of the population now gets health insurance paid for by the 63%?

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 17, 2014 02:18 PM (zxQ4h)

167 2 What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1!?!!!?!?1?/
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 17, 2014 01:53 PM (HSmrB)

You task me, you task me

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:18 PM (136wp)

168 161,

Not due to a lot of positive things they did as much as a minimum of stepping on their own dicks.

Even then, Cochran and Roberts nearly fucked that up.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (+bodw)

169
The North East really is in favor of slavery after all. They just don't like calling it that.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:10 PM (txvbW)

Yep. Been that way for quite a while. The exact method and actual ownership was the only part in question.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (/Ho8c)

170 You all do understand, I assume, that when being paid all this money to be a "consultant," he himself does very little actual "work."

I've worked for big-time consultants. They take that $400,000, and then use half of it to pay underlings (such as I was) to do the actual work. Then we produce the report, and he puts his name on it -- and pockets the remaining $250,000 or whatever.

An absolute scam from top to bottom.

And yes, by the way, the reports are always pre-crafted to reach a certain conclusion. You find out ahead of time what bias or slant the consultant has, and he is GUARANTEED to produce a report with a conclusion pleasing to you. Guaranteed -- that's the reason you hired him, to give the 'stamp of authority" to a decision you already made.

Never once has a consultant ever produced a "surprising" report that didn't match his pre-existing political biases. Never.

Posted by: zombie at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (K4YiS)

171 Thanks, Insomniac,
I'm a low info on TFG. I only hear clips if Levin, Rush or Howie Carr play them. I refuse to watch or listen to TFG.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (sj3Ax)

172 Somebody once asked on the first Gruber thread how he could afford to keep so many expensive parrots.

Is he married? With Children?

Posted by: Carie Otter at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (xvWzv)

173 So that should end the attempt by the left to claim that only "the right" calls Gruber Obamacare's "architect."

He's Obongo's Albert Speer!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (oKE6c)

174 Yea, I sent that one to ace last week. Pretty amazing that the far left was calling out Gruber years ago but nobody paid attention.

-
A pocket full of mumbles such are promises.
All lies and jest still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (XUKZU)

175 Why aren't the Republicans jumping all over this? They should be holding press conferences and saying "I told you so, this is why *none* of us voted for the bill!"

Posted by: Lizzy at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (ABcz/)

176 142 SH, i guess they are equal opportunity pocket pickers.

if fairness (chokes) Romney said it wouldn't work mationally..

i guess the feds money means our/ money collectively .
Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:13 PM (nqBYe)

*********

These f'in Democrats lie all over the place.

They had another "expert" from Harvard McDonough (IIRC) in that ad saying that essentially ObamaCare is RomneyCare--but there is a video of that ass hat at Hostra University--saying that what Romney signed was not anything like how Romneycare eventually ended up because the state legislature added lots of changes--(which this guy probably wanted to take credit for)--and that only a very small part of ObamaCare is like RomneyCare.

Did he say any of that in the ad--however?

Hell no.

--btw I was totally team Perry here till the bitter end--but I abhor bullshit.

It is pretty obvious that just by definition since RomneyCare was only at the state level it would not be 100% like the massive federal plan ObamaCare.

Also--unfortunately RomneyCare was my PRIMARY reason for not wanting to run with Romney.

I was kind of hoping Romney would say--'I made a mistake"--but in politics that is really not feasible.

Hard to admit you were wrong to voters--and the media won't let you do--complicated.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (RJMhd)

177 150 And here's a dose of reality
Kenneth P. Green @KennethPGreen 16m
US has most progressive taxation among OECD countries. Top 20% pay virtually 100% of taxes and transfers to poor: http://goo.gl/oAqof3
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:15 PM (ZPrif)

Yep, in my day we did it with guns, now you do it with "laws"

Posted by: Lenin at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (136wp)

178 I have light-to-moderate ebola.

Well you don't want anything full-blown around here.

Here's some the cake is a lie.

http://cheezburger.com/5510340864

Posted by: DaveA at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (DL2i+)

179 Jon Gruber Made $6 Million From the American Taxpayer, Advising Government Officials On His Own Plan

Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (oKE6c)

180 Half this Gruber stuff was out there to be oppo researched in 2012.

Except Romney was the one Republican who couldn't make use of Gruber oppo research since he had worked for Romney and done RomneyCare.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif)

181 Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval.

So approximately 37% of the population now gets health insurance paid for by the 63%?

----

I'd say that is just Obama's base. And I suspect many of them hate the law too - they just won't say it - not even in a poll - because it is an admittance against Saint Obama.

I suspect the real number is closer to 28-30%.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (gmeXX)

182 Gruber? Never heard of him.
Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (ABcz/)

your joking, but that is essentially what Fredo said

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (M0mf2)

183 And yes, Jane Hamsher is a leftist. I was here when she came in with three different socks to troll the comments. Lulz were had.

Still, even if she might have *lightly* scalded a rabbit once or twice, she does have integrity

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (Yc4/E)

184 Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?
--

I did.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 17, 2014 02:21 PM (ZPrif)

185 *Hofstra* University

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:21 PM (RJMhd)

186 Even then, Cochran and Roberts nearly fucked that up.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:19 PM (+bodw)

What the hell did I do?

Other than being a lawyer, I mean.

Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 02:21 PM (da5Wo)

187 Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (oKE6c)

What your kidding right?

Posted by: Sharpton jackson Inc at November 17, 2014 02:21 PM (M0mf2)

188 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:21 PM (M0mf2)

189 SH , yes that was a losing move by the GOP, i had to swallow my bile to vote .

We were fighting against something that couldn't even be a part of Our platform.

anyway the loss was no surprise to me as much as Romney personally seemed like a good person.

economics-obamacare- personal becomes govt infromation?
no thanks

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (nqBYe)

190 186,

I'm talking about the lethargic pork loving sack of shit representing my in laws in Mississippi.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (+bodw)

191 44 Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.

I have light-to-moderate ebola.

I can help...I can always help.

Posted by: Tequila at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (HRo7B)

192 As has been said: "The corruption--I want less of it or in on it."

I really don't know how anyone could seriously believe the Democratic Party is the party of the working class--you are either rich or making money off of the government. They don't give a shit about anyone else.

And I think that is borne out in the last election.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (VjL9S)

193 Don"t Grub me Bro!

Posted by: The poster formerly known as mr. barky at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (lJLML)

194 Congress sacrificed the CBO's credibility for this bill. They are nothing more than rubber-stamp organization now.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (UccCH)

195 >>Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?

I know, right? Check how much I'm being paid to lecture in income equality. Let the irony just wash over you like to incoming tide....

Posted by: Paul Krugman at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (ABcz/)

196 Bret Baier @BretBaier 55m
1 fact abt #JonathanGruber is undeniable..he has been paid a lot of money for his advice & not just by Federal Gov't. @JamesRosenFNC 6pmet

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (ZPrif)

197 I'm talking about the lethargic pork loving sack of shit representing my in laws in Mississippi.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:22 PM (+bodw)

You'll have to be more specific.

Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (da5Wo)

198 Half this Gruber stuff was out there to be oppo researched in 2012.

Except Romney was the one Republican who couldn't make use of Gruber oppo research since he had worked for Romney and done RomneyCare.

----

2012 was just a lousy year with lousy candidates (and one who was not quite ready and/or on painkillers).

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (gmeXX)

199 Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?I know, right? Check how much I'm being paid to lecture in income equality. Let the irony just wash over you like to incoming tide....
Posted by: Paul Krugman

Word.

Posted by: Robert Reich at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (Spluw)

200 153 We make such a mistake in thinking everything's ideological. The Obama administration has been cui bono from the beginning. There's always some rich fatcat -- corporate or law -- that's benefitting handsomely from this administration.

But if Europe has taught me anything, it's that socialism pays quite well indeed.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2014 02:16 PM (L2xDv)

I keep mentioning he's from the Chicago Mafia. Kickbacks are baked into the cake.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (txvbW)

201 Ace - home remedies:

Sore throat - ginger tea, honey
General yuckiness - chicken soup
Congestion - wear a knitted hat when you sleep, use lots of pillows, and slather vicks vaporub all over sinus area
Also steam is very good.

Posted by: @votermom at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (qQ/N4)

202
Remember this: a big chunk of the GDP's expansion in the last 2 quarters were attributed to govt spending

So the whole house of cards that is obama's economy is depending on obamacare spending, (which the WSJ is okay with).

Posted by: Soothsayer, All Knowing Of (Approximate) Knowledge at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (esnsL)

203 I can help...I can always help.
Posted by: Tequila

If you call dancing nekkid on a bar help, no thanks!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (cGoQr)

204 Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?

Just don't help them too much, know what I'm sayin'?

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (MMC8r)

205 Purpose of CBO "We computed the same equations congress used and got the same results".

Posted by: dedomeno at November 17, 2014 02:24 PM (UccCH)

206
The thieves at the green energy companies that went belly up pretty much kept quiet about their rape of the American tax dollars to fund their good times.
With Gruber, you have an over-paid hack who sings like a canary. I am glad that this was brought forward as he demonstrated the disdain and total disrepect that the elites have for Americans.

Posted by: cheri at November 17, 2014 02:24 PM (oiNtH)

207 I'd love to see Scott Walker lead off and sue Gruberman on behalf of WI.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:24 PM (Spluw)

208 Professors are underpaid when compared to our private sector counterparts. We could all make far more if we worked for a company and had to produce something of value. That is why we are reduced to over-billing the stupid voters for our superior wisdom.

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at November 17, 2014 02:24 PM (1BQGO)

209 >>Never once has a consultant ever produced a "surprising" report that didn't match his pre-existing political biases. Never.

As I said in the last thread, a whole bunch of Obama insiders including Gruber, Orszag, Larry Summers who was Gruber's PhD mentor at Harvard, Tim Geitner, etc. and the head of the CBO Doug Elmendorf all worked together at The Hamilton Project, a specialized group within The Brookings Institute.

I even found a paper that Orszag and Gruber wrote back in 2000 on the economics of SS.

These guys are all true believers on big government takeover of just about everything. Cause they're smart and your stupid.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 02:25 PM (g1DWB)

210 hadn't Gruber also Worked in the CBO?

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:25 PM (nqBYe)

211 Ace - home remedies:

Copious amounts of 18 yr old single malt scotch.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:25 PM (cGoQr)

212 I would so love to watch this Gruber slime ball sitting at a table answering Trey Gowdy's questions. Worth the price of admission.

Posted by: maddogg at November 17, 2014 02:25 PM (xWW96)

213 Why aren't the Republicans jumping all over this? They should be holding press conferences and saying "I told you so, this is why *none* of us voted for the bill!"
Posted by: Lizzy at November 17, 2014 02:20 PM (ABcz/)

-------------------------------------------

In a way, I'm glad they're not. Perhaps they've learned that the MFM warps and contorts every statement they make. Maybe they're relying on people like Ace to get the word out. Seems to be it's working for the most part.

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (qaepl)

214 "It is pretty obvious that just by definition since RomneyCare was only
at the state level it would not be 100% like the massive federal plan
ObamaCare."

Here's another way in which the two differ.

Romneycare, as a state level plan, turned out to be financially viable only courtesy of covert and massive federal subsidies from outside, quietly arranged by the Massachusetts congressional delegation.

Where's the money from "outside" going to come from to keep the FEDERAL level plan financially viable? Which imagined parent entity of the federal government exists to bail out Obamacare?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (noWW6)

215 SH , yes that was a losing move by the GOP, i had to swallow my bile to vote .

-----

The comfort I take, and maybe it is simply wishful thinking, is that Obama's election and subsequent re-election were more aberrations than a genuine shift in the electorate. 2010 and 2014 support my argument - though it is by no means conclusive.

Obama exploded onto the scene at the opportune time for him with strong tailwinds in his favor and against the GOP (no matter who they ran). Then he fortunately ran into a very weak 2012 field and got the one candidate who could not criticize him effectively on the main issue that mattered.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (gmeXX)

216 eat about 2 bottles of Zicam. you'll be fine.

Posted by: X at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (KHo8t)

217 Still Lying - Purpose of ACA is to swindle older middle-class (typicaly white racist) people out of their savings the accumilated throughout their lives for their own end of life care via ACA 'Taxes" - transfer that money to the lower-class types via iphones and EBT (conveniently converable into cash for hookers and blow) and some STD meds, meanwhile Granny gets walked out back like old yellow.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (NaeCR)

218 Copious amounts of 18 yr old single malt scotch.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:25 PM (cGoQr)

Along with copious numbers of 18 yr old females

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (M0mf2)

219 37% approval? Seems too high. It should be Zero.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (sj3Ax)

220
Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at November 17, 2014 02:24 PM (1BQGO)

People that can do, people that can't teach.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (sWgE+)

221 201 Ace - home remedies:

Sore throat - ginger tea, honey
General yuckiness - chicken soup
Congestion - wear a knitted hat when you sleep, use lots of pillows, and slather vicks vaporub all over sinus area
Also steam is very good.

Posted by: @votermom at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (qQ/N4)

Ace - home remedies:

Sore throat - Tequila
General yuckiness - Tequila
Congestion - wear a knitted hat soaked in hot Tequila when you sleep, use lots of pillows, and slather Tequila all over sinus area
Also steamed Tequila is very good.

Posted by: Tequila-Just 'sayin at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (HRo7B)

222 166 Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval.

So approximately 37% of the population now gets health insurance paid for by the 63%?
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 17, 2014 02:18 PM (zxQ4h)

********

Pretty soon they might hate it--because--

coverage does not equal access.

People are having a hard time finding providers.

Even in the relatively small populace of Canada--guess what happens when you insure everyone?

Wait times increase.

And again--video of these "experts" and they compare the United States to--

Canada, New Zealand, Australia--hell some of them even want to compare to Switzerland--and there's where the lies begin.

The size of populations are not near comparable The Unite States is the third largest population in the world--and the demographics are like no other country on the planet.

The comparisons are absurd.

Canada is 39th according to population, New Zealand is--124th.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (RJMhd)

223 Where's the money from "outside" going to come from to keep the FEDERAL level plan financially viable?

House of Saud? China? Printing presses?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (cGoQr)

224
re: 2012

We had obama and the Democrats on the run in late 2010 - early 2011.

And then the new R leadership went back to their old tricks of spending and porking and lying. And then obama killed osama.

From that point forward, the R's were in tactical retreat (for no good reason) and obama was safe once again to push his agenda.

Posted by: Soothsayer, All Knowing Of (Approximate) Knowledge at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (esnsL)

225 Where's the money from "outside" going to come from to keep the FEDERAL level plan financially viable? Which imagined parent entity of the federal government exists to bail out Obamacare?

Herro!

Posted by: Your Chinese Overlords at November 17, 2014 02:27 PM (MMC8r)

226 I heard Leavenworth is nice this time of year.

Posted by: Potemkin Village Public Works at November 17, 2014 02:28 PM (XzRw1)

227 211,

Read that as "copious amount of 18 year old singles".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 17, 2014 02:28 PM (+bodw)

228 People that can do, people that can't teach.

People who can't do or teach become politicians.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:28 PM (evdj2)

229 Ace - home remedies: Sore throat - ginger tea, honey General yuckiness - chicken soup Congestion - wear a knitted hat when you sleep, use lots of pillows, and slather vicks vaporub all over sinus area Also steam is very good.
Posted by: @votermom at November 17, 2014 02:23 PM (qQ/N4)

---------------------------------------------

And bj's. Don't forget the bj's.

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 02:29 PM (qaepl)

230 >>Romneycare, as a state level plan, turned out to be financially viable only courtesy of covert and massive federal subsidies from outside, quietly arranged by the Massachusetts congressional delegation.

Accept it wasn't covert at all. MA got the feds to allow them to use the money they were already sending to hospitals and use it to help pay for part of the plan. It was widely discussed.

And if fact this was the point that Romney and Ryan were making about taking over $700 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. The msm, and seemingly a lot on our side, seemed uninterested at the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 02:29 PM (g1DWB)

231 Yeah, lefties may be calling out Gruber, but they're coming from the left on it because they want Single Payer. If O'Care goes down (and that's a mighty small "if"), then the push for Single Payer is going to be deafening.

The MSM, fresh off of being exposed for burying all of this, will ramp right back up into cheerleading mode to get it passed. This will start in the 2015 campaign, and will come to a head in 2017 after the Donks retake some Senate seats in '16.

The entire scene will eerily mirror the events leading to the passage of O'Care.

Enjoy the re-run.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 17, 2014 02:29 PM (xSCb6)

232 Who knew "helping the poor" was so lucrative?I know, right? Check how much I'm being paid to lecture in income equality. Let the irony just wash over you like to incoming tide....
Posted by: Paul Krugman

Word.
Posted by: Robert Reich

There is iron in your words of life.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warrren at November 17, 2014 02:29 PM (l3vZN)

233
Last year someone here recommended two herbs for the flu. Anyone remember what they were?

Posted by: Soothsayer, All Knowing Of (Approximate) Knowledge at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (esnsL)

234 From that point forward, the R's were in tactical retreat (for no good reason) and obama was safe once again to push his agenda.

---

I still say it had more to do with running a candidate who could not simply pound away on Obamacare. That is all 2012 should have been about, but our candidate was neutralized on the matter.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (gmeXX)

235 There is iron in your words of life.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warrren at November 17, 2014 02:29 PM

I'm choking to death here.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (evdj2)

236 Here's another way in which the two differ.

Romneycare, as a state level plan, turned out to be financially viable only courtesy of covert and massive federal subsidies from outside, quietly arranged by the Massachusetts congressional delegation.

Where's the money from "outside" going to come from to keep the FEDERAL level plan financially viable? Which imagined parent entity of the federal government exists to bail out Obamacare?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (noWW6)

************

Exactly.

I don't know what their end game is but--they did not care about that when they wrote ObamaCare.

Or--they did care--but only a special select few know about.

Basically I doubt it is "pretty".

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (RJMhd)

237
I'm waiting to read Ace's new novel: Love In the Time of Light To Moderate Ebola.

Reviews have called it "explosive" "gut wrenching" "it will leave you feverish"

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (iQIUe)

238 217 Still Lying - Purpose of ACA is to swindle older middle-class (typicaly white racist) people out of their savings the accumilated throughout their lives for their own end of life care via ACA 'Taxes" - transfer that money to the lower-class types via iphones and EBT (conveniently converable into cash for hookers and blow) and some STD meds, meanwhile Granny gets walked out back like old yellow.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2014 02:26 PM (NaeCR)

You've obviously seen the minutes of their innermost councils.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (oKE6c)

239 And how was Ted Kennedy able to transfer $400M in "slush funds" (Gruber's own words) to Mass to fund RomneyCare?

Are there records of this? How is that possible?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (ZPrif)

240
I wrote them down for the next Winter, but I lost it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, All Knowing Of (Approximate) Knowledge at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (esnsL)

241 This is depressing. In the last thread, we had cookies. And Alexthechick in a flannel shirt..

I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (Spluw)

242 73 I wish Coloradan voters knew about Hickenlooper's role in this before they voted
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 17, 2014 02:03 PM (Yc4/E)

There's a lot of that "all will be revealed after the election" stuff that's been going on lately.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (L2xDv)

243 37% approval? Seems too high. It should be Zero.

If you were getting health insurance paid for by someone else you might approve. So that 37% number gives us an idea of how much 'income redistributin' is going on with ObolaCare.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (zxQ4h)

244 235 There is iron in your words of life.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warrren at November 17, 2014 02:29 PM

I'm choking to death here.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (evdj2)

+1000

Posted by: Lenin at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (136wp)

245 I still say it had more to do with running a
candidate who could not simply pound away on Obamacare. That is all
2012 should have been about, but our candidate was ~~neutralized~~ neutered on the
matter.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (gmeXX)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (oKE6c)

246
It really is amazing to me that the GOP's 2012 nominee - an election that was basically a referendum on Obamacare - was someone who could not criticize Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:17 PM (gmeXX)

Scroll back to 1992 when the election was about "Character" with one man who had none, and the other who lost his making a deal with the Democrats, the only purpose of which was to deprive him of "character."

"Read my lips... no new taxes!!!!" Got him elected.

Breaking that pledge, made Clinton President, and ushered in a decades worth of Clinton fuckery (Don't ask, don't tell, etc.) which set up the stage for future Democrat fuckery.

Breaking that pledge was a pivotal point in history, and when I heard he was going to do it, I started screaming at my radio. I knew at that moment that all the subsequent history would happen just as it did.

Bush Fucked the nation with that lie. He fucked us far more than he will ever have the wit to comprehend.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (txvbW)

247 then the push for Single Payer is going to be deafening

I welcome this. As Gruber himself admitted - the country will not support this.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

248 Wow, we sure acted stupidly to pay Gruber to pull the wool over our eyes.

Posted by: Taxpayers at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (N05oL)

249 230 >>Romneycare, as a state level plan, turned out to be financially viable only courtesy of covert and massive federal subsidies from outside, quietly arranged by the Massachusetts congressional delegation.

Accept it wasn't covert at all. MA got the feds to allow them to use the money they were already sending to hospitals and use it to help pay for part of the plan.

Posted by: JackStraw

But why can't we use that same system, just ramped up to the next level?

We can implement Rom-bamacare on a national level, and yes it won't be financially viable on its own -- but we can get huge subsidies from The Magical Republic of Unicornopolis to prop it up!

Posted by: zombie at November 17, 2014 02:31 PM (K4YiS)

250
Last year someone here recommended two herbs for the flu. Anyone remember what they were?

Malted barley and agava cactus

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (sWgE+)

251
Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.

I have light-to-moderate ebola.

I laughed, but I do hope you feel better.

Posted by: Heralder at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (/Mxso)

252 >>Last year someone here recommended two herbs for the flu. Anyone remember what they were?

Cannabis and peyote.

Posted by: angler at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (+zZOH)

253 Last year someone here recommended two herbs
for the flu. Anyone remember what they were?

Poppies & cannabis?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (cGoQr)

254 This is the hill to die on.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (A98Xu)

255 If your stools are green/gray/black you have too much iron.

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (iQIUe)

256 If O'Care goes down (and that's a mighty small "if"), then the push for Single Payer is going to be deafening.

Yeah, but will anyone trust the gummint then?

The socialized countries pay THROUGH THE NOSE for their 'free' healthcare, it's just a 20% VAT tax. That won't sound so 'free' to Americans who know they'll be on the hook for it while 'special classes' get a full rebate.

If Ocare collapses people are going to know what a shell opf lies it was built on, and expect that 'Single Payer' is exactly the same.

Of course, the ruling class doesn't care what the proles think and will push it anyway.

Posted by: --- at November 17, 2014 02:33 PM (MMC8r)

257 This is the hill to die on.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:32 PM (A98Xu)Couldn't agree more.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 02:33 PM (/Ho8c)

258 What the hell did I do?

Other than being a lawyer, I mean.
Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 02:21 PM (da5Wo)

*throatpunches*

You know what you did.

I can't believe I am typing this, but Boehner actually got off a decent zinger. The Botox Bat sent out a tweet saying Happy 65th! Welcome to Social Security and Medicare. He shot back "Thanks! Hope you'll work with us to save them from bankruptcy for future generations."

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:33 PM (mf5HN)

259 Last year someone here recommended two herbs for the flu. Anyone remember what they were? Poppies cannabis?
Posted by: rickb223

Do NOT try the hemlock.

Posted by: zombie Socrates at November 17, 2014 02:33 PM (Spluw)

260 Mr. Gruber - that's his name right? - was a very very minor player in this. In fact, until I read about this in the newspaper I had never heard of mr. Grover. Let me be clear, I am seething about this and am determined to get to the bottom of it

Posted by: barack obama as Augustus at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (5DdVJ)

261 47 As I recall, he justified the whole effort as being necessary because the physicians make too much money, thus health care costs are too high. I believe it was in the first video.

Posted by: Dr Greensleeves at November 17, 2014 02:00 PM (iEjM/)

This!!

Posted by: Steiner 404 at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (c8Jim)

262 Breaking that pledge, made Clinton President,

----

I tend to agree. Things were bad for him, but that broken promise is what pushed him over.

Ultimately, the conservatives won the tax argument - somewhat to our detriment.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (gmeXX)

263 There's a lot of that "all will be revealed after the election" stuff that's been going on lately.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (L2xDv)

Imagine all the shit that's going to come out eventually, long after they drag Obongo out of the White Hut. It's going to make the revelations of the VENONA project pale in comparison.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (oKE6c)

264 Yeah, lefties may be calling out Gruber, but they're coming from the left on it because they want Single Payer. If O'Care goes down (and that's a mighty small "if"), then the push for Single Payer is going to be deafening.

I think Single Payer is the only thing that can save the medical industry.

Single Payer For Lawyers, that is.

I think it's a conversation America should have.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (L2xDv)

265 OT: British Lefties: ISIS "Has Progressive Potential"

http://tinyurl.com/mzqmvdm

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (lN8KC)

266 >>But why can't we use that same system, just ramped up to the next level?

We are. Seriously, doesn't anyone remember Romney and Ryan saying that Obama was going to take $716 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare? Don't remember the phony budgeting that the CBO was using to somehow miss the double counting?

It was a thing. And then Politifact said it was false and that was that.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (g1DWB)

267 *throatpunches*

You know what you did.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:33 PM (mf5HN)

IT WASN'T ON PURPOSE!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (da5Wo)

268 Death panels and income redistribution. Never heard of it.

Posted by: Pelosi at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (WNERA)

269 >>If your stools are green/gray/black you have too much iron.

Or internal bleeding.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (ABcz/)

270 Any fool with even just a cursory knowledge of supply and demand predicted that the top-down, centrally managed Obamacare scheme was going to either cause rates to skyrocket or health care to be rationed.

Honestly, "progressives" are either the stupidest or the most deceitful people in the world. Probably both.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (HBAcW)

271 This is the hill for them to die on.

Posted by: X at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (KHo8t)

272 If you guys are interested here is that rat bastard McDonough of Harvard giving a lecture at Hofstra University.

I can't remember the section where he goes into the details of RomneyCare v. ObamaCare but--

at about the 1 hour and thirty minute mark it gets pretty interesting because the audience kind of rips him a new one.

One of them is an Obama Care navigator--because she unwittingly informs him of the "realities" on the ground.

Or the realities he damn well knows about--but the publics should not.

Basically you can insure everyone--you just can't get them access.

Also one guy says that urgent care is wiping private practices out of business and McDonough just calls question time--over.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (RJMhd)

273 Business will support Single Payer because it gets *all* health insurance off their balance sheet. If one company drops it, it puts it at an employee retention disadvantage against their competition but, if everyone drops it, it's pure profit.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (evdj2)

274 OT: British Lefties: ISIS "Has Progressive Potential" You could say that they've already arrived.

Posted by: women of Rotherham at November 17, 2014 02:36 PM (Spluw)

275 heh. im also making money off of the obamacare gravy train as an outside consultant. thank you taxpayers

Posted by: Profiteer at November 17, 2014 02:36 PM (QVLa0)

276 IT WASN'T ON PURPOSE!!!
Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (da5Wo)

*ponders*

I did get to be the one to crush all your hopes and dreams, so that does mitigate your actions somewhat.

Fine.

*shinkicks*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:36 PM (mf5HN)

277 >>OT: British Lefties: ISIS "Has Progressive Potential"

Stop the voting, we have this year's Darwin Award winners right here.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at November 17, 2014 02:36 PM (ABcz/)

278 253 Last year someone here recommended two herbs
for the flu. Anyone remember what they were?

Poppies & cannabis?

Just stick with cannabis. You will feel better.

Posted by: jack at November 17, 2014 02:36 PM (53CCM)

279 Look, just stop calling me the Ebola nurse already!

Posted by: Kaci "Snowflake" Hicks at November 17, 2014 02:36 PM (HBAcW)

280 MacGruber - Trailer

http://tinyurl.com/ovllxm3

Posted by: Hepcat at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (yQRD6)

281 I didn't recommend them on this site, but in the past I have used echinacea and ginger to aid in recovery from flu.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (RZlSA)

282 Oops--forgot to paste the youtube link:

McDonough of Harvard--ObamaCare expert and/or architect at Hofstra University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATThxM66Co

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (RJMhd)

283 I'm waiting for BHO to appoint a blue ribbon panel to get to the bottom of all this. Pelosis and Reid should be co-chairs to be sure that things are on the up and up.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (sWgE+)

284 I can't believe I am typing this, but Boehner actually got off a decent zinger. The Botox Bat sent out a tweet saying Happy 65th! Welcome to Social Security and Medicare. He shot back "Thanks! Hope you'll work with us to save them from bankruptcy for future generations."
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:33 PM (mf5HN)

Of course, the scrunt Nancy got it wrong, it was the 79th anniversary of Social Security, FDR signed the Social Security Act into law on August 14, 1935

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (136wp)

285 Still, even if she might have *lightly* scalded a rabbit once or twice,

?

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (vf9yj)

286 Imagine all the shit that's going to come out eventually, long after they drag Obongo out of the White Hut. It's going to make the revelations of the VENONA project pale in comparison.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:34 PM (oKE6c)

yeah but do you think they will let us see that in the "Re-Education" Camp? And hey I get the top bunk

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (M0mf2)

287 The age of the thieving nerds is upon us.

Posted by: tbd at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (qgIeC)

288 I can't say what I want to say re: Jon Gruber because it would result in my being banned.

But I am thinking it real hard.

Posted by: jack at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (53CCM)

289 The socialized countries pay THROUGH THE NOSE for their 'free' healthcare, it's just a 20% VAT tax. That won't sound so 'free' to Americans who know they'll be on the hook for it while 'special classes' get a full rebate.

On top of which they pay a mere pittance for defense, because we pick up the tab for that. Between them France and Britain have exactly ONE aircraft carrier, and they trade off who gets to take it for a spin. Canada's army is smaller than the NYC police force.

I'm not making up any of that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (oKE6c)

290 I still say it had more to do with running a candidate who could not simply pound away on Obamacare. That is all 2012 should have been about, but our candidate was neutralized on the matter.
Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:30 PM (gmeXX)

------------------------------------------

Romney never had the moral high ground on this. Whatcha bet if Romney had come out as anti-Ocare, the dems would have trotted out Gruber just to watch the blood gush from the open wound.

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (qaepl)

291 Jack Straw,
I signed up for Brooking Institute emails but haven't read any yet. Should I unsubscribe?

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (sj3Ax)

292 The GOP does not care.

It will not try to get rid of Ebolacare next year.

It will try to fix it.

Posted by: eman at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (mR7Es)

293 Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (136wp)

---

Boehner turns Sixty-five today.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (NaV4z)

294 Made an executive decision. Since tonight's going to freeze, and it's going to stay cold for a few days, I've opted to grill my last humongous Wegman's steak. Better to do it now rather than freeze my balls off when I finally can't wait any longer. Supposedly it's a filet, but I'd swear the thing weighs more than a pound, has an extra lobe attached.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (2cS/G)

295 286
yeah but do you think they will let us see that in the "Re-Education" Camp? And hey I get the top bunk

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (M0mf2)

No, no, no, comrade, I called top bunk a long time ago.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (oKE6c)

296 Of course, the scrunt Nancy got it wrong, it was the
79th anniversary of Social Security, FDR signed the Social Security Act
into law on August 14, 1935

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (136wp)

Meh. Give her credit for not pushing up daises at her advanced stage of deterioration.

Posted by: flounder at November 17, 2014 02:38 PM (sDapq)

297 Of course, the scrunt Nancy got it wrong, it was the 79th anniversary of Social Security, FDR signed the Social Security Act into law on August 14, 1935
Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (136wp)

It's John Boehner's 65th birthday to which she was referring.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (mf5HN)

298
Hey I'll fix this whole obamacare thing,, I've got experience! You know,, Tenn-care....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (HSmrB)

299 >>> Gruber the money grubber.

There was an actual honest to goodness jewel heist in the NYC diamond district last week; they are rare because of all the cameras and precautions in that part of town to prevent theft. Reporter sounded absolutely scathing against the thieves.

I would be too. Who bothers to go to hassle of an old fashioned heist nowadays? Haven't they heard an easier way to get 6 million dollars is just to scam the US govt out of it? Amateurs.

Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (yRwC8)

300 no way alex wore a flannel shirt!

omg she did?

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (nqBYe)

301 273 Business will support Single Payer because it gets *all* health insurance off their balance sheet. If one company drops it, it puts it at an employee retention disadvantage against their competition but, if everyone drops it, it's pure profit.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:35 PM (evdj2)

Their business plan:

Gnomes' three-phase business plan
1. Collect Underpants
2. ?
3. Profit

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (136wp)

302 I have you medical advice Ace:You need to take two press conferences, one goniff lawyer and coaching from the WH. Call my PR agent in the morning.

Posted by: Nurse Kaci Ebolin for dollars and attention Hicks at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (Spluw)

303 It will not try to get rid of Ebolacare next year.

It will try to fix it.

----

This is probably more true than false - sadly.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (gmeXX)

304 I would be too. Who bothers to go to hassle of an old fashioned heist nowadays? Haven't they heard an easier way to get 6 million dollars is just to scam the US govt out of it? Amateurs.
Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (yRwC

$6 million, rookie, try $2 billion, newb

Posted by: Jon Corzine at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (136wp)

305 Wrecked a system that was working for 80-90% and the new system admits it will not cover everyone.

The lies were almost muslimisk to hide the destruction.

IMHO Gruber has been saying how he helped Obama fool the voters for years, we just didn't hear about it. I'd bet lunch at a place I can't afford the liberal media attended a few of his bragging sessions and didn't report it.

This and 5-11 million amnesties might be enough to over whelm the system.

It is almost like obama has a plan.
Nah he loves us.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (WNERA)

306 Every time I think the public has woken up to the farce that is our government and MSM, I'm woefully disappointed.

The rumors regarding the death of both have been greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (xSCb6)

307 Dear Under 30's,

HA-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!

Enjoy your reduced incomes and minuscule disposable income and paying off Obama's debt for the rest of your lives, the lives of your kids, and the lives of your grandkids-

just so he could shovel your future earnings to corrupt, lying cronies like Gruber.

That's right.

You voted for a "Hope and Change" con that a 3 year old could see through because you're so-o-o-o smart and so-o-o-o-o-o science oriented.

Apparently though, you don't math at all.

Well, anywho, enjoy.

And once again, ha. ha. ha. ha-ha-ha.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (0cMkb)

308 no way alex wore a flannel shirt! omg she did?
Posted by: willow

Yes indeedie. In the last thread.......in my mind.....heh.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (Spluw)

309 Ace, I can advise one thing - Hot n' Sour Soup. Lots of it. It beats Chicken Soup in spades. You'll be feeling well in a day or two after eating copious quantities of Hot n' Sour Soup. Be sure to procure from a good Chinese Restaurant - preferably one with northern Chinese chefs. Word.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (oDCMR)

310 Man is Obama gonna be PISSED about this when he sees it on the news.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (7ObY1)

311 I can't say what I want to say re: Jon Gruber because it would result in my being banned. But I am thinking it real hard.
Posted by: jack

The space-time continuum is beginning to warp.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (cGoQr)

312

Beaten, why for ?!
Can't take much more (herewego, herewego herewego now)

One!
Nothing wrong with me
Two!
Nothing wrong with me
Three!
Nothing wrong with me
Four!
Nothing wrong with me!

One!
Something's got to give
Two!
Something's got to give
Three!
Something's got to give
NOW!

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

Now...! Now...! Now...!

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (evdj2)

313 By the way, has Mr. Romney come out with a statement with regard to Gruber's comments?

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (A98Xu)

314 Your government atwerk.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (0HooB)

315 >>Jack Straw,
I signed up for Brooking Institute emails but haven't read any yet. Should I unsubscribe?

If you want to read what the left is up to then keep it. But it is a lefty think tank so don't expect fair and balanced stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (g1DWB)

316 I tried telling her it was hot and sour soup.

She didn't fall for it.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (7ObY1)

317 300no way alex wore a flannel shirt!

omg she did?Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:39 PM (nqBYe)And may I say it was STUNNING!

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 02:42 PM (sWgE+)

318 If you guys watch Gruber's video his idea of

"Prospective Reimbursements" is DRACONIAN.

ObamaCare has to be repealed.

If it cannot be repealed about the only thing you could use to get the health care you need would be lawyers.

I hate to say it but you cannot leave O'Care or it's framework for phase one in place and then do tort reform.

You are going to want a fucking lawyer.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:42 PM (RJMhd)

319 >>Imagine all the shit that's going to come out eventually, long after
they drag Obongo out of the White Hut. It's going to make the
revelations of the VENONA project pale in comparison.

Do you hear that whirring sound?
That's the paper shredders. Luckily, hard drive "crashes" and 'oops, we forgot to create a backup for the past 8 years' makes no sound at all. Just ask Lois and the EPA.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 17, 2014 02:42 PM (ABcz/)

320 Ace, put some ice on that flue, and walk it off.

Posted by: Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable at November 17, 2014 02:42 PM (UzPAd)

321 By the way, has Mr. Romney come out with a statement with regard to Gruber's comments?
Posted by: seems legit

Of course not. he's waiting for some leftist turd to invent some piece of crap that he'll then have to defend. What part of 'stupid party' don't you get?

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:42 PM (Spluw)

322 willow, I was not wearing a flannel shirt.

Also new NFL QBs on FB up.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

323 The remaining Cartier robbery fugitive just blew his own head off while hiding under his couch with a gun, thinking a FedEx delivery guy was the po-po.

#ThinningTheHerd

Posted by: Citizen X at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (7ObY1)

324 light-to-moderate ebola

Vomitty with a chance of Eye Bleeding.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (hDrq9)

325 OK everybody has a cure for flu. I wouldn't gruber you so here it is.

1/2 cup of Jim Beam
3 drops of lemon juice (vitamin C) '
2 tablespoons of water
warm slightly.

This will cure everything from a bad attitude to the flu. It only needs some unobtanium to cure cancer.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (WNERA)

326 >>So that should end the attempt by the left to claim that only "the right" calls Gruber Obamacare's "architect."

Always should be:

"Noted conservative Obama architect" Gruber

Or even better:

"Noted conservative, John Gruber, RomneyCare architect"

Posted by: MSM Style Guide at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (0xTsz)

327
Gruber will eventually become a presidential contender after Hillary's two terms.

Posted by: Professor Irwin Corey at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (3/wAJ)

328 "I hate to say it but you cannot leave O'Care or it's framework for phase one in place and then do tort reform."

That's what I keep saying about the idea of keeping parts of O'Care in place or just tweaking it. The Left will come along and tweak it right back to where it was or worse.

It has to go.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (xSCb6)

329 willow, I was not wearing a flannel shirt.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting

You weren't? And no Nilla wafers...... Monday sucks.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (Spluw)

330 And once again, ha. ha. ha. ha-ha-ha.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2014 02:40 PM (0cMkb)

That's a fake laugh.

Posted by: Peter Quill at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (136wp)

331 willow, I was not wearing a flannel shirt. Also new NFL QBs on FB up.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

No, that's right. She was not wearing a flannel jersey.

She was wearing nothing more than a Cleveland Browns jersey.....and a smile.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (6T8Ay)

332 The most difficult thing I've had to deal with the last six years is keeping track of the sheer number and frequency of this administration's lies. My head is spinning like Linda Blair at this point, because they are just coming too fast to process.

Posted by: Naes at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (YhayY)

333 alex, whew!

not to say flannel shirts aren't useful.. but i cannot imagine you being Outside with bugs and shtuff!

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (nqBYe)

334 hate to say it but you cannot leave O'Care or it's framework for phase one in place and then do tort reform.

You are going to want a fucking lawyer.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:42 PM (RJMhd)

Tort reform? Good one. Check out OpenSecrets.org, which shows that one of the very largest donors to the Dems is ... the American Trial Lawyers Association.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:45 PM (oKE6c)

335 With the successful roll out this weekend and today, Obamacare is now cemented in place as an irremovable part of political status quo, much like Social Security or Medicaid; and I get to make a pretty penny off it.

Suck it, neocons.

Posted by: Profiteer at November 17, 2014 02:45 PM (QVLa0)

336 Tort reform? Good one. Check out OpenSecrets.org, which shows that one of the very largest donors to the Dems is ... the American Trial Lawyers Association.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:45 PM (oKE6c)

Along with the unions, who are getting a big subsidy for their health plans

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:45 PM (136wp)

337 But, but, but according to Obama Gruber is just some guy he's never heard of, just some consultant who was never on his staff.

*Psssst, Barry, that's the definition of a consultant - some one who is not on your paid staff. Bet you didn't think us rubes would catch that, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (ABcz/)

338 the dawg pound will disapoint do not fall for their periodic wins!

they will make you cry in the end.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (nqBYe)

339 Talking Heads, "Life during wartime"

Posted by: Carie Otter at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (xvWzv)

340

Push me again (again)
This is the end (herewego, herewego, herewego now)

One!
Nothing wrong with me
Two!
Nothing wrong with me
Three!
Nothing wrong with me
Four!
Nothing wrong with me!

One!
Something's got to give
Two!
Something's got to give
Three!
Something's got to give
NOW!

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (evdj2)

341 Worst. Break. Ever.

My grandmother died two days into my spring break sophomore year. I didn't sass back any of the old ladies who told me I was lucky (because I was at home and not at school, I guess). I didn't feel lucky.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (ZKzrr)

342
On top of which they pay a mere pittance for defense, because we pick up the tab for that. Between them France and Britain have exactly ONE aircraft carrier, and they trade off who gets to take it for a spin. Canada's army is smaller than the NYC police force.

I'm not making up any of that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (oKE6c)

And that is something that has always pissed me off. Because *WE* pay for so much of the military force which will defend them, *THEY* can move their defense budget into domestic spending on their social programs.

Who wouldn't want a deal like that? They are freeloading on us, and then they have the gall to criticize the fact our government doesn't pay for everybody's healthcare?

Fuck those Euroeweenies.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (txvbW)

343
Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (nqBYe)

Who said anything about outside? She was here with me.

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:47 PM (sWgE+)

344

Skin against skin blood and bone
You're all by yourself but you're not alone
You wanted in and now you're here
Driven by hate consumed by fear

*whispered, then increasingly louder and angrier*
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

One!
Nothing wrong with me
Two!
Nothing wrong with me
Three!
Nothing wrong with me
Four!
Nothing wrong with me!

One!
Something's got to give
Two!
Something's got to give
Three!
Something's got to give
NOW!

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...

Hey...
GO!
Hey...
GO!
Hey...
GO!
Hey...
GO!

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:47 PM (evdj2)

345 anyhoo i hope the republicans do something about that insurance Tax.
as i can no longer afford insurance as job loss and economy has affected our lives harshly the last 5 years.

Insurance is a luxury and i hate to be dunned at tax time for the 'benefit' of obamacare.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (nqBYe)

346 http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/11/17/remy-dont-tell-em-obamacare-transparency

Remy Don't Tell 'Em (Obamacare Version)

Posted by: Steiner 404 at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (c8Jim)

347 343
Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (nqBYe)

Who said anything about outside? She was here with me.
Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:47 PM (sWgE+)

Hey, she's not answering the door, can you let me in?

Posted by: Camel Spider at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (136wp)

348 By the way, has Mr. Romney come out with a statement with regard to Gruber's comments?
Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:41 PM (A98Xu)

-------------------------------------

Not even a nervous whisper.

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (qaepl)

349 Fuck those Euroeweenies.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:46 PM (txvbW)

----

I am in full agreement with this statement.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (A98Xu)

350 Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:47 PM (evdj2)

I think toby's going critical ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (oKE6c)

351
Through all of this I wish that if GWB speaks it is not in support of Jeb running for office, and joking about Jeb beating Hillary. I also saw a picture of GWB and Bill Clinton yucking it up and the quote "We are brothers of a different mother."
The Bush's and Clinton's need to go away. Many years you've had your hands at the wheel and look where we are now. Same with Romney - you couldn't close the deal against a known liar and failure. Enjoy your wealth, retirements, and grandkids but stay away from politics.

Posted by: cheri at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (oiNtH)

352 smashes spider under the desk.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (nqBYe)

353 We had a term for this particular type of clusterfuck, back when I had one of those "job" thingys.

"Designed to Fail."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (0HooB)

354
Of course, the scrunt Nancy got it wrong, it was the 79th anniversary of Social Security, FDR signed the Social Security Act into law on August 14, 1935

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (136wp)

Uh dude, I know she's a retarded moonbat freakazoid and all, but I believe she is referring to John Boehner turning 65. He was born on Nov 17, 1949.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (txvbW)

355 Not even a nervous whisper.
Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (qaepl)

------

I wonder if the idiot gets that Gruber will be used against him, HARD, if he thinks about running in 2016.
I know that won't stop him, that's how much they think we want them.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (A98Xu)

356
Posted by: Camel Spider at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (136wp)

She didn't close the doggie door again.

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (sWgE+)

357 On Gruber...

Someone needs to start a Freedom of Information Act lawuit, asking for everything between Obama, Congress, and Gruber...

Because Obama, by saying he was NOT an administration Advisor, thus anything between him and Gruber would NOT be covered by Executive Privilege... which WOULD cover him IF he was a Presidential Advisor.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (f0pWu)

358 Representative Juan Vargas (D-Calif.) said President Barack Obama has the authority and obligation to take sweeping executive action on immigration reform and he hopes the president goes big because, if he does, it will make God happy and there will be joy in Heaven as a result.

Weasel Zipper

Democrats believe in G-D? Who knew

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (M0mf2)

359 Ace
Mrs. Grasses Chicken Noodle Soup and Gatorade type drinks. The flu/cold cure of a college in the frozen tundra that I still use today. You will at least feel a little better.

Posted by: Ol miss at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (lLqy4)

360

Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (Qgr71)

361 352smashes spider under the desk.Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (nqBYe)Willow new thread.

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (sWgE+)

362 No, that's right. She was not wearing a flannel jersey.

She was wearing nothing more than a Cleveland Browns jersey.....and a smile.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (6T8Ay)

I wouldn't say I was smiling.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (mf5HN)

363 "And again--video of these 'experts' and they compare the United States to--Canada, New Zealand, Australia--hell some of them even want to compare to Switzerland--and there's where the lies begin. The size of populations are not near comparable The Unite States is
the third largest population in the world--and the demographics are like
no other country on the planet."

A few things I noted back when the left were whipping up their big public relations push about how U.S. healthcare supposedly is for shit.

-- They quote infant mortality statistics without noting that the U.S. uses for itself a different, and stricter, standard for this than just about anyone else in the world.

-- They quote adult mortality statistics that have nothing to do with the medical system, like gunshot victims and car wreck victims who are dead on arrival. Hey, guess what? Americans spend a ton more time behind the wheel than do Europeans. Hence, more motor vehicle accident mortality. Likewise with gun deaths. Not the fault of the U.S. medical system, thanks.

-- They ignore comparative demographics. Yes, America has much more diabetes than some of these other countries. But America also has a far larger proportion of ethnics who are inherently more likely to DEVELOP diabetes: blacks, Hispanics, Amerindians.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (noWW6)

364 heh
Kyle W. Orton @KyleWOrton
Four Lions all over | 4 Australians leave for jihad in Syria; two of them rejected for being too fat.
http://t.co/Tvf4pEceEY

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (ZPrif)

365 Uh dude, I know she's a retarded moonbat freakazoid and all, but I believe she is referring to John Boehner turning 65. He was born on Nov 17, 1949.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 17, 2014 02:49 PM (txvbW)

oh yea, re-read it.

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (136wp)

366 Shut up, peasants. The connected get ahead in the name of progress.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (zNKCm)

367 I wonder if the idiot gets that Gruber will be used against him, HARD, if he thinks about running in 2016.
I know that won't stop him, that's how much they think we want them. Posted by: seems legit Exactly. He was neutered on Obamacare due to Masscare last time and now would be Gruberized should he try again.

Posted by: cheri at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (oiNtH)

368 The mule, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the F-35, and Obamacare are what you get when you "design by committee."

Posted by: Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (UzPAd)

369 The Left will come along and tweak it right back to where it was or worse.

It has to go.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (xSCb6)
*******
Jeez.... That seems pretty extreme...

Posted by: GOPe at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (32Ze2)

370 Toby, do you have a newsletter?

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (/Ho8c)

371 360
Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (Qgr71)

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HA! I saw that before and approve, sock.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (A98Xu)

372 Canada's army is smaller than the NYC police force.

I'm not making up any of that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 02:37 PM (oKE6c)

The are also more NYC cops, than personnel in the entire US Border Patrol...

Think on that one for a minute...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (f0pWu)

373 358 Representative Juan Vargas (D-Calif.) said President Barack Obama has the authority and obligation to take sweeping executive action on immigration reform and he hopes the president goes big because, if he does, it will make God happy and there will be joy in Heaven as a result.

Oh yes and the MSM is running today with the "Republican" Presidents acted unilaterally on immigration "reform" so leave obama alone!!!

Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (Bn6aD)

374 Someone needs to start a Freedom of Information Act lawuit, asking for everything between Obama, Congress, and Gruber...

----

It's cute that you think the administration will freely share such information following a FOIA request.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (gmeXX)

375 358 Representative Juan Vargas (D-Calif.) said President Barack Obama has the authority and obligation to take sweeping executive action on immigration reform and he hopes the president goes big because, if he does, it will make God happy and there will be joy in Heaven as a result.

Weasel Zipper

Democrats believe in G-D? Who knew
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 02:50 PM (M0mf2)

Yes he can because the Constitution isn't clear who makes the laws. Well, actually it is but never mind.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (WNERA)

376 369 The Left will come along and tweak it right back to where it was or worse.

It has to go.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (xSCb6)
*******
Jeez.... That seems pretty extreme...
Posted by: GOPe at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (32Ze2)

and racist

Posted by: GOPeeeeee at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (136wp)

377 In saner times, Gruber would be publicly stripped naked, covered in hot tar, and feathered. Then his house would be burned down and him and his family would be driven out of town. Instead, this asshole will never not make 6 figures every year for the rest of his working life.

Posted by: Naes at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (YhayY)

378 Oh yes and the MSM is running today with the "Republican" Presidents acted unilaterally on immigration "reform" so leave obama alone!!!

What are they talking about?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (evdj2)

379 Someone needs to start a Freedom of Information Act lawuit, asking for everything between Obama, Congress, and Gruber...

----

It's cute that you think the administration will freely share such information following a FOIA request.

----

p.s. try to imagine me saying that with a Gruber-esque smugness.

Now I apologize for that. Just making a joke.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (gmeXX)

380 Romneycare was effective July 1, 2007. Company BCBS year is February - January. We usually got rates in December. In 2008 consultant asked if I was sitting down before she would give me new rates, it increased 35%. One small company had 53% increase!

Romneycare screwed us.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (sj3Ax)

381 378 Oh yes and the MSM is running today with the "Republican" Presidents acted unilaterally on immigration "reform" so leave obama alone!!!

Reagan and W....

Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (Bn6aD)

382 grr- face spider.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (nqBYe)

383 Nice headline
National Review @NRO
Modern Feminism: Appalling Stupidity Backed by Hysterical Rage http://natl.re/1xQpwZI

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 17, 2014 02:54 PM (ZPrif)

384 What are they talking about?
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (evdj2)

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One of Reagan's HUGE mistakes.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:54 PM (A98Xu)

385
Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (nqBYe)

snicker, snicker

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:54 PM (sWgE+)

386 >>>Day Eight of a miserable flu.

GRIM MILESTONE

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 02:54 PM (3ZtZW)

387 369 The Left will come along and tweak it right back to where it was or worse.

It has to go.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 17, 2014 02:44 PM (xSCb6)
*******
Jeez.... That seems pretty extreme...
Posted by: GOPe at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (32Ze2)

and racist
Posted by: GOPeeeeee at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (136wp)
************
And heteronormative and microaggressive

Posted by: GOPe at November 17, 2014 02:55 PM (32Ze2)

388 It's cute that you think the administration will freely share such information following a FOIA request.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:52 PM (gmeXX)

Well.. these do take awhile... like YEARS... but we are finding out more and more about our IRS, and Fast and Furious... due to a couple of these lawsuits.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 17, 2014 02:55 PM (f0pWu)

389 gets out pesticide

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:55 PM (nqBYe)

390 Get well soonest Ace. Freedom loving Morondom is pulling for you.

Posted by: saltolibreveloz at November 17, 2014 02:55 PM (hIV5w)

391 384 What are they talking about?
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (evdj2)

-----

One of Reagan's HUGE mistakes.

Yes and He said as much. Like every "deal" you make with the Dems it's no good.... As usual it was supposed to have border security which never materialized...

Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (Bn6aD)

392 "By the way, has Mr. Romney come out with a statement with regard to Gruber's comments?"

It turns out that the nice Mr. Romney has a starring role in the nice Mr. Gruber's nice little "health reform" comic book.

Here's the nice Mr. Romney, with a nice big smile, depicted signing the nice Mr. Gruber's nice health reform plan into a nice law.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pf48gg6

That faint burning smell you are sensing is the nice Mr. Romney's nice 2016 Presidential revival hopes going up in a huge cloud of smoke. Nice smoke.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (noWW6)

393 I wouldn't say I was smiling.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (mf5HN)

It just depends on the angle.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (6T8Ay)

394 *don's bio-hazard suit*

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (sWgE+)

395 They're coming for me....I hear them now. Won't someone, anyone please save me?

Posted by: I am grubers' hard drive at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (Spluw)

396 lol

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (nqBYe)

397 Gruber has made me feel much better about voting for Santorum in 2012.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (gmeXX)

398 But if it saves one child...

Posted by: Gruber Pyle at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (W5DcG)

399 Is there a site that coherently lists the "scandals" (lawlessness) of the Obama administration?

Really, there are so many it's hard to keep track.

Everyday I ponder which is worse for the country/individuals.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (A98Xu)

400 Hey, she's not answering the door, can you let me in?

Posted by: Camel Spider at November 17, 2014 02:48 PM (136wp)

Coming, hold your horses.

Posted by: Crawling carpet of Tarantulas at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (/Mxso)

401 Just a reminder, if they lied to the CBO to qualify the obamacare bill ro reconciliation, and it was in fact not qualified, then it never passed the Congress and is an illegitimate act.

Maybe no one wants to make that case in court, but every defender of it should be told as much regularly.

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (A6vWB)

402
OT: I see Oblahblah made another statement that these beheading enthusiasts aren't really muslim and islam has nothing to do with it, but also all you Jewish, Christian and Buddists are a lot damn worse.

@ breitbart

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (1nB6R)

403 I wouldn't say I was smiling. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (mf5HN) It just depends on the angle.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son

What angle did you get!?!

Posted by: Blue hen has been away from the Horde far, far too at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (Spluw)

404 *winks 7 of 8 eyes at willow*

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (sWgE+)

405 Also new NFL QBs on FB up.

An interception is just a pass to a friend you haven't met yet.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (ZKzrr)

406 >>> Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.
I have light-to-moderate ebola.

Awww. The apple cider instant packets have like 200% vitamin C, I always sip cups and cups of those when I'm sick.

If
you are up to actually making food Ace, can toddle down to grocery
store for a sec and have a crock pot handy, here is a super good, super
easy chicken soup recipe. It's based on a Wolfgang Puck recipe, but I modify it for whatever I have on hand.

Get
one of those bagged rotisserie chickens from the grocers. Fill up a
giant crock pot with water, and chicken or veg bouillon cubes to flavor
water. Add rotisserie chicken, either meat only cut up or large pieces
of the whole thing. Add some onion (I either do the dried flakes or
frozen prechopped from grocery freezer aisle, I HATE chopping onions),
and onion and/or garlic salt if you want. Then add whatever veg you like
or happen to have handy: frozen or fresh peas/carrots, chopped celery, cubed
potatoes, pinto or kidney beans, etc.

Go back to bed and sleep a few more hours, then can eat. And is even better the next day, can leave on low all night. Makes the house smell heavenly.

If you are really on verge of death, canned chicken soup works too, hah. but this is yummier and I swear by it.

Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (yRwC8)

407 Here's the nice Mr. Romney, with a nice big smile, depicted signing the nice Mr. Gruber's nice health reform plan into a nice law.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pf48gg6

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Ho-lee-shit

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (A98Xu)

408 Wow, all of you folks are really worked up about Gruber.

That's fine. Don't mind me. I shun the spotlight anyway. I'll just be quietly over here in the corner, steadily burning away while attention is focused elsewhere.

Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Posted by: The Fuse On The Employer Mandate Bomb at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (noWW6)

409 The chicken has been Grubered to the tune of 6 million. That's one sore chicken butt.

Posted by: mpfs at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (SMXjC)

410 We can fool them... we have the technology ...

Jon Gruber in "The 6 Million Dollar Con Man"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (GrXXa)

411 Quick, someone grab a copy of that YouTube video before it gets the IRS hard drive treatment.

Posted by: Cicero418 at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (S35wq)

412 Gruber has made me feel much better about voting for Santorum in 2012.
Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (gmeXX)
********
So YOUR the one........

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (32Ze2)

413 >>>Enjoy your reduced incomes and minuscule disposable income and paying off Obama's debt for the rest of your lives, the lives of your kids, and the lives of your grandkids-

The Under-30s knew all that going into it. They're just gambling that Obamacare was designed to kill off the elderly.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

414 heh now i cannot get a face sized spider in a bio hazard suit out of my head.

spider-think i don't prepare, for Your kind?

me- silly spider i just need a moment longer to quit laughing.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

415 A few things I noted back when the left were whipping up their big public relations push about how U.S. healthcare supposedly is for shit.

-- They quote infant mortality statistics without noting that the U.S. uses for itself a different, and stricter, standard for this than just about anyone else in the world.

-- They quote adult mortality statistics that have nothing to do with the medical system, like gunshot victims and car wreck victims who are dead on arrival. Hey, guess what? Americans spend a ton more time behind the wheel than do Europeans. Hence, more motor vehicle accident mortality. Likewise with gun deaths. Not the fault of the U.S. medical system, thanks.

-- They ignore comparative demographics. Yes, America has much more diabetes than some of these other countries. But America also has a far larger proportion of ethnics who are inherently more likely to DEVELOP diabetes: blacks, Hispanics, Amerindians.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 02:51 PM (noWW6)

********

Yep.

I remember we made all of these points here at Ace of Spades.

The more and more I watch these weasels--the more I want ObamaCare killed with fire.

I think the current Supreme Court case only looks at a very specific area of ObamaCare?

I don't know if the Supremes can kill the whole damn thing--but I wish they could.

ObamaCare--it's is like a virus written into the main frame of our government as we know it--or malware.

I think it needs to be completely erased.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (RJMhd)

416 Nixon declares State of Emergency.

National Guard activated.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (fWAjv)

417 Just a reminder, if they lied to the CBO to qualify the obamacare bill ro reconciliation, and it was in fact not qualified, then it never passed the Congress and is an illegitimate act.

Maybe no one wants to make that case in court, but every defender of it should be told as much regularly.

If only that were the case, that the law actually meant something to TFG and his Band of Merry Marxists.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (0HooB)

418 Just the tip - amirite?

Posted by: Formerly TiminAL but now in MIA at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (xD5h5)

419 Gah. I clicked on the Obama YouTube channel.

Unclean....Unclean....

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (vgIRn)

420 Here's the nice Mr. Romney, with a nice big smile, depicted signing the nice Mr. Gruber's nice health reform plan into a nice law.

Romney must be the Avengers Superhero whose super power is self-immolation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (8ZskC)

421 Guess I could have added BREAKING NEWS{/b] there

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (fWAjv)

422 The Under-30s knew all that going into it. They're just gambling that Obamacare was designed to kill off the elderly.

I don't see much evidence that U30 Obamavoters think any further than "Hey, free shit!"

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (ZKzrr)

423
"Light case of ebola", huh? Where are you and the Ebola Nurse snuggled up in your love nest, ace?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (/dvmK)

424 What are they talking about?
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 02:53 PM (evdj2)

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One of Reagan's HUGE mistakes.

Yes and He said as much. Like every "deal" you make with the Dems it's no good.... As usual it was supposed to have border security which never materialized...
Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at November 17, 2014 02:56 PM (Bn6aD)

Yes but a deal with Congress isn't executive action.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (mf5HN)

425 Just a reminder, if they lied to the CBO

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A smart GOP would use this as an opportunity to get rid of a useless institution such as the CBO which basically got snookered from a consultant and does nothing but give Congress cover in increasing spending.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (gmeXX)

426 410 We can fool them... we have the technology ...

Jon Gruber in "The 6 Million Dollar Con Man"

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2014 02:58 PM (GrXXa)

Where's the episode where Oscar realizes Gruber's gone wonky and orders the double tap to the head?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (oFCZn)

427

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (fWAjv)

428 One of Reagan's HUGE mistakes.

The '86 Amnesty? The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was a law passed by Congress, not a unilateral act by Reagan.

Did IQ's drop while I was in the bathroom?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (evdj2)

429 Just because past Republican Presidents took executive action on Amnesty, which failed by the way, doesn't make it good or right if Fredo does it. Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different result is the definition of insanity

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (M0mf2)

430 I don't know if the Supremes can kill the whole damn thing--but I wish they could.

Nanner Nanner

Posted by: Justice Roberts at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (WNERA)

431 gram of lysine + gram of Vit C every few hours

hope you're better soon!

Posted by: TallDave at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (/s1LA)

432 Oh yes and the MSM is running today with the "Republican" Presidents acted unilaterally on immigration "reform" so leave obama alone!!!

Are these the same "Republican" Presidents that the MSM said never did anything right?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 17, 2014 03:01 PM (W5DcG)

433 ObamaCare--it's is like a virus written into the main frame of our government as we know it--or malware.

I think it needs to be completely erased.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (RJMhd)

Technically, they should be able to dismantle a few key parts of is and watch is crash to the floor like a pile of broken glass. Thanks to Roberts though, we've lost one of our major chances for that.

Posted by: Crawling carpet of Tarantulas at November 17, 2014 03:01 PM (/Mxso)

434 Nixon declares State of Emergency.

National Guard activated.

The 60's are back. Oh how I have missed you.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (evdj2)

435
Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

Getting the legs right is the worst part. Not enough room in the crotch with 8 legs.

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (sWgE+)

436 eh, /sock.

Posted by: Heralder at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (/Mxso)

437 But America also has a far larger proportion of ethnics who are inherently more likely to DEVELOP diabetes: blacks, Hispanics, Amerindians.

NOTICE: This statement has been submitted to the AoSHQ SJW Review Council for examination due to suspicion of possible racism.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (8ZskC)

438 Are these the same "Republican" Presidents that the MSM said never did anything right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 17, 2014 03:01 PM (W5DcG)

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*snicker*

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (A98Xu)

439 For a small fee, I'm also available to advise school districts and local govts. After all, there's only 50-ish states.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (q29nF)

440 434 Nixon declares State of Emergency.

National Guard activated.

The 60's are back. Oh how I have missed you.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (evdj2)

Probably a hoax though. Dammit.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:02 PM (fWAjv)

441 I don't know if the Supremes can kill the whole damn thing--but I wish they could.

Diana Ross can do ANYTHING!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 17, 2014 03:03 PM (W5DcG)

442 National Review @NRO
Modern Feminism: Appalling Stupidity Backed by Hysterical Rage

IOW, Monday.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:03 PM (cGoQr)

443 428 One of Reagan's HUGE mistakes.

The '86 Amnesty? The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was a law passed by Congress, not a unilateral act by Reagan.

Did IQ's drop while I was in the bathroom?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (evdj2)

This is a pet peeve of mine, statements such as "Bush spent all that money!" conveniently forgetting high school civics, which would have told them that Congress appropriates money (now exppropriates it). The President merely proposes a budget - that's it. Spending is 100% on Congress.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:04 PM (oKE6c)

444 Diana Ross can do ANYTHING!

Girl, don't get me started!

Posted by: Matty Iglesias at November 17, 2014 03:04 PM (8ZskC)

445 The Under-30s knew all that going into it. They're just gambling that Obamacare was designed to kill off the elderly.
Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

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Yup.

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 03:04 PM (qaepl)

446 >>>I don't see much evidence that U30 Obamavoters think any further than "Hey, free shit!"

They're not about to tell you much. They just do things and talk amongst themselves, honestly.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:05 PM (3ZtZW)

447 Nixon declares State of Emergency.
National Guard activated.

The 60's are back. Oh how I have missed you.

"There's a man with a gun over there,"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:05 PM (cGoQr)

448 Spending is 100% on Congress.

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No longer in the Constitution.

Posted by: SH at November 17, 2014 03:05 PM (gmeXX)

449 Daily Kos is reporting the State of Emergency in MO soI don't think it's a hoax.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (RZlSA)

450 Have there ever been more worthless Republican's in leadership positions ?

Posted by: Potemkin Village Public Works at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (XzRw1)

451 Has anyone checked on Ace recently? We should send the face sized spider in to check; he's geared up for it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (Spluw)

452 No longer in the Constitution.

That old thing?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (0HooB)

453 Whats interesting about the U-30 set is that in prior years they'd be suck ups and very social with their elders were it not for IMs and cells. They're actually gregarious in a lot of ways and some are very idealistic. Its a bad combo, IMO

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (3ZtZW)

454 The Under-30s knew all that going into it. They're just gambling that Obamacare was designed to kill off the elderly.
Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms

------------------------------------------
Yup.
Posted by: Soona

Never get between a silver hair and their slot machine.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (cGoQr)

455 445 The Under-30s knew all that going into it. They're just gambling that Obamacare was designed to kill off the elderly.
Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

I doubt that most under-30s know what day of the week it is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (oKE6c)

456 Re: Ferguson
Unlike Kent state, I hope the NG reloads and keeps firing until nothing is moving.

Posted by: Potemkin Village Public Works at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (XzRw1)

457 "There's a man with a gun over there,"
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:05 PM (cGoQr)

I'll call the DHS

Posted by: Bumbles at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (136wp)

458 Tin soldiers and Nixon coming. We're finally on our own.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (JtwS4)

459 449 Daily Kos is reporting the State of Emergency in MO soI don't think it's a hoax.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (RZlSA)

Yep. It's real.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (fWAjv)

460
Dudes. Do you know how much parrot vet and food costs are? I need that $6,000,000 in emuneration.
But, I've got a solution.
I'm actuallywritingmy next genius Progressive legislation, WarrenCare, for pets, for when Liz Warren is president in 2016, so back off, bitches.
That should save me some money on parrot healthcare, subsidized at your expense.

Posted by: Jon Gruber, MIT Philospoher King at November 17, 2014 03:07 PM (WDCYi)

461
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (Spluw)

Oh HELL no. Who know's what I could catch in there!!

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 03:08 PM (sWgE+)

462 Did IQ's drop while I was in the bathroom?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:00 PM (evdj2)

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Relax we know the difference between EA and Laws.

It should have been stabbed with a knife.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 03:08 PM (A98Xu)

463 449 Daily Kos is reporting the State of Emergency in MO soI don't think it's a hoax.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:06 PM (RZlSA)

More reliably, it's on Drudge.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:08 PM (oKE6c)

464 Gimme an "F"

Gimme a "U"

Gimme a "C"

Gimme a "K"

What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that spell?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:09 PM (0HooB)

465 Time to start betting on when the Manufactured Messiah pivots to race baiting to change the subject.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:09 PM (Spluw)

466 Daily Kos is reporting the State of Emergency in MO soI don't think it's a hoax.

Shouldn't there be, you know, actual rioting before one declares a state of emergency over the rioting?

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:09 PM (A6vWB)

467 "...we never proposed amnesty. But then you've still got two other aspects of this issue that have to be resolved as well. We need to sit down as Americans and recognize these are God's children as well. And they need some protection under the law; they need some of our love and compassion. I want to assure you that I'll enforce the borders first. We'll solve this immigration problem. "

*Source: 2007 GOP YouTube debate in St. Petersburg, Florida , Nov 28, 2007*

Also, robbers and rapists?

God's children.

Child molesters? Love. Legal protection.

Gang members ? Murderers?

Compassion.

Posted by: lolMcCain - solving ur problems at November 17, 2014 03:09 PM (Qgr71)

468 Time to start betting on when the Manufactured Messiah pivots to race baiting to change the subject.

After a few drinks at the Nineteenth Hole.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:09 PM (evdj2)

469 OT, but what is behind Drudge's fascination with Gov. Jerry Brown? This is not 1976, Brown is nor dating Linda Ronstadt. He is not hip. He is not cool. He's a bald, old geezer with bankupt policies....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (5pgi5)

470 Nixon letter authorizing SoE.

http://tinyurl.com/llr36cw

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (fWAjv)

471 Everyone be cool, we have AG Holder on the case. Ferguson will be fine. He's going to have a grown up dialog about race.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (A98Xu)

472 Gruber about to be stored on an IRS hard drive.

And we all know what happens next.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (R5UOB)

473 Shouldn't there be, you know, actual rioting before one declares a state of emergency over the rioting?
Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:09 PM (A6vWB)

or before the hurricane lands...

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (136wp)

474 Shouldn't there be, you know, actual rioting before one declares a state of emergency over the rioting?
Posted by: Methos

With a real president, yes. With King Putt and the clown show Biden, absolutely not.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (Spluw)

475 Governor Brown has as much chance of running--and winning--the presidential election as Jimmy Carter...

Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2014 03:11 PM (5pgi5)

476 So that should end the attempt by the left to claim that only "the right" calls Gruber Obamacare's "architect."
---------------------------------

The opposite of "the right" in this case is not the left, but rather "the wrong".

Posted by: Roy at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (VndSC)

477 You know, all that anti-establishment stuff from the '60's and '70's is recyclable.

We could use it right about now. Perhaps an enterprising group of politically oriented people could use one of those social media thingys to spread it around...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (0HooB)

478 399
Is there a site that coherently lists the "scandals" (lawlessness) of the Obama administration?

Really, there are so many it's hard to keep track.

Everyday I ponder which is worse for the country/individuals.

Posted by: seems legit at November 17, 2014 02:57 PM (A98Xu)

We're gonna need a bigger internet.

Posted by: Captain Brody at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (sDapq)

479 OT, but what is behind Drudge's fascination with Gov. Jerry Brown? This is not 1976, Brown is nor dating Linda Ronstadt. He is not hip. He is not cool. He's a bald, old geezer with bankupt policies....
Posted by: JoeF

Because he's everything you describe and the idiots in California took back Gov Moonbeam anyway.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (Spluw)

480 Full letter here

http://tinyurl.com/lfzj8qf

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (fWAjv)

481 "Just a reminder, if they lied to the CBO to qualify the obamacare
bill ro reconciliation, and it was in fact not qualified, then it never
passed the Congress and is an illegitimate act."

Also just a reminder:

Since the Dread Justice Roberts says proudly that "It's a tax!", the whole shebang should be prima facie illegal because tax bills must originate in the House, and this one did not.

I know, I know.

Emanations. Penumbras. Standing. Goat entrails.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (noWW6)

482 Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (5pgi5)

At this point, Linda Ronstadt is a dead ringer for Dick Butkus.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (oKE6c)

483 Because he's everything you describe and the idiots in California took back Gov Moonbeam anyway.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (Spluw)

California's so green we even recycle our politicians.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:13 PM (oKE6c)

484 He's a bald, old geezer with bankupt policies....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (5pgi5)

That's disqualifying now?

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 17, 2014 03:13 PM (Rx8ML)

485 Well sure sign the decision is coming down if the Gov put the National Guard on Alert. I am sure they have told him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:13 PM (M0mf2)

486 Since the Dread Justice Roberts says proudly that "It's a tax!", the
whole shebang should be prima facie illegal because tax bills must
originate in the House, and this one did not.

My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 17, 2014 03:13 PM (/Ho8c)

487 California's so green we even recycle our politicians.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

Well played.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:14 PM (Spluw)

488 Shouldn't there be, you know, actual rioting before one declares a state of emergency over the rioting?

It's about creating expectations. Now the rioters will be ashamed not to show up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:14 PM (8ZskC)

489 At this point, Linda Ronstadt is a dead ringer for Dick Butkus.

And Greg Lake appears to have turned into Buddy Hackett.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:14 PM (0HooB)

490

Right on, c'mon
What we got to say
Power to the people no delay
To make everybody see
In order to fight the powers that be

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:14 PM (evdj2)

491 Gimme an "F"
Gimme a "U"
Gimme a "C"
Gimme a "K"
What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that
spell?

F
U
C
K
?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:14 PM (cGoQr)

492 He's a bald, old geezer with bankupt policies.... Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (5pgi5) That's disqualifying now?
Posted by: Joe Biden

Not in Delaware; you should know that. *sigh*

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (Spluw)

493
Linda Ronstadt, back in the day: http://bit.ly/1uG61Ck

brb

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (JtwS4)

494 http://tinyurl.com/modq4ej

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (sj3Ax)

495 Ace - Hot n' Sour Soup. Dude, do something for yourself.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (oDCMR)

496 485 Well sure sign the decision is coming down if the Gov put the National Guard on Alert. I am sure they have told him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:13 PM (M0mf2)

Great that I will be in a city that respect the 2A and allows for self defense.

Wait.........I'm in DC.

F*%K

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (fWAjv)

497 Link is Gruber in MA and Romneycare

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (sj3Ax)

498 OT, but what is behind Drudge's fascination with Gov. Jerry Brown? This is not 1976, Brown is nor dating Linda Ronstadt. He is not hip. He is not cool. He's a bald, old geezer with bankrupt policies....

Posted by: JoeF.

The '70's, man. They're back. Shitty music, shitty economy, shitty e'rrything.

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (/lTUs)

499
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (oKE6c)

At this point Linda Ronstadt is a dead ringer for my Opisthosoma.

Posted by: face size spider in AtC's closet at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (sWgE+)

500 "California's so green we even recycle our politicians."

I understand there's a vacancy on the CA Supreme Court.

Yoo hoo! I'm available! Dead, rested and ready!

Posted by: Zombie Rose Bird at November 17, 2014 03:16 PM (noWW6)

501 >>>I doubt that most under-30s know what day of the week it is.

Seriously, you need to rethink that. We've warmed a snake on our collective chests while we were ignoring them. They think collectively to much greater extent than Gen Xers do [example] and they want to do big things that they won't tell you about. Put it together. They'll express regrets in their middle age, maybe.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:16 PM (3ZtZW)

502 >>> We should send the face sized spider in to check; he's geared up for it.

The face hugging spider is no big deal. It's the chest bursting one that'll get ya every time.

Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 03:16 PM (yRwC8)

503 And Greg Lake appears to have turned into Buddy Hackett.
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Unbelievable. Hopefully he snagged some quality groupies while he could.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 17, 2014 03:16 PM (oDCMR)

504 Over/under the next thread is about the NG & Ferguson Riots?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:16 PM (cGoQr)

505 482 Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2014 03:10 PM (5pgi5)

At this point, Linda Ronstadt is a dead ringer for Dick Butkus.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (oKE6c)

With or without shoulder pads?

Posted by: MikeH at November 17, 2014 03:17 PM (136wp)

506 Doug Ross at the Director Blue website was keeping a list (He still has a lot of stuff on IRS and Benghazi). This is from a while back, but it's funny in a grim way; It's a word search of Obama scandals:

http://tinyurl.com/opt7mhu

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:17 PM (RZlSA)

507
Over/under the next thread is about the NG Ferguson Riots?

Over/under on whether there will be a next thread?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2014 03:18 PM (JtwS4)

508 They think collectively to much greater extent than Gen Xers do [example] and they want to do big things that they won't tell you about.

Like get a job, a house, a car, or another bong hit?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:18 PM (cGoQr)

509 Over/under the next thread is about the NG & Ferguson Riots?

I make our chances one in three.

Posted by: Captain Ramius at November 17, 2014 03:18 PM (evdj2)

510
I have activated the Missouri National Guard to protect and defend the property and citizens of our state, but they will not be issued ammunition because they might be tempted to protect themselves and others with live fire, and that is unacceptable.

I will accept National Guard causalities before allowing them to respond with force. My decision for unarmed troops has been made and it's final.

Posted by: Governor Jay Nixon at November 17, 2014 03:18 PM (3/wAJ)

511 Is it true the "Ebola Nurse" likes anal. Ginger on ginger anal would be fun!

Posted by: Wonkette at November 17, 2014 03:19 PM (0FSuD)

512 I will accept National Guard causalities before allowing them to respond with force. My decision for unarmed troops has been made and it's final.
Posted by: Governor Jay Nixon

Wait, what? Please tell me that this is a sick joke.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:19 PM (Spluw)

513 Lnda Ronstadt is 68 years old and has Parkinsons disease. Perhaps people should not expect her to look like she did when she was dating Jerry Brown

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:19 PM (RZlSA)

514 OT, but what is behind Drudge's fascination with
Gov. Jerry Brown? This is not 1976, Brown is nor dating Linda Ronstadt.
He is not hip. He is not cool. He's a bald, old geezer with bankupt
policies....

Posted by: JoeF

Because he's everything you describe and the idiots in California took back Gov Moonbeam anyway.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:12 PM (Spluw)

Any word on whether Gavin Newsom, current CA Lt. governor, plans on running in 2016? He probably needs to be governor first but I feel like in 2016 it will be a free for all, so why not? He has a completely messed up personal life, but as that is no longer a deterrant for public office he should be fine...

Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 03:19 PM (yRwC8)

515 The '70s are back? Where's the Carter Attack Rabbit when we need him?

Posted by: Furious George at November 17, 2014 03:20 PM (UlJ3l)

516 I will accept National Guard causalities before allowing them to respond with force. My decision for unarmed troops has been made and it's final.

Rednecks up! Scouts out! Cavalry ho!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:20 PM (cGoQr)

517 FIX BAYONETS!

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:20 PM (evdj2)

518 I will accept National Guard causalities before allowing them to respond with force.

I wonder how many casualties will he allow before he responds with force?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:21 PM (8ZskC)

519 He has a completely messed up personal life, but as that is no longer a deterrant for public office he should be fine...
Posted by: LizLem

He wore a Planned parenthood shirt the entire time; it's all good

Posted by: batshit crazy feminists (but i repeat myself) at November 17, 2014 03:21 PM (Spluw)

520 Well sure sign the decision is coming down if the Gov put the National Guard on Alert. I am sure they have told him

And no one's expecting rioting if there are charges.

BTW, for the record, I was in the camp of folks who were pissed about the cops' handling of the daylight demonstrations (waving rifles around in people's faces, the APC, officer 'fuck you', etc.)

Just want to be clear that the national guard are troops and serve a different function. Particularly since the folks involved on planning the riots have made it easy to pick sides, I support the guardsmen.

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:21 PM (A6vWB)

521 >>>The '70s are back? Where's the Carter Attack Rabbit when we need him?

Ridin' in a Pinto with the PLO guys

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:21 PM (3ZtZW)

522 "Don't worry, its just a bunch of wild Indians."

Posted by: Gen. George F. Custer at November 17, 2014 03:21 PM (8ZskC)

523 @493 Linda Ronstadt now: http://tinyurl.com/puyl5rd

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (oKE6c)

524 Cold front coming through now, tornado watch and the power's getting iffy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (0HooB)

525 The '70s are back? Where's the Carter Attack Rabbit when we need him? Posted by: Furious George at November 17, 2014 03:20 PM (UlJ3l)

Here ya go!

http://www.atomicempire.com/item.aspx?item=16037

Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (yRwC8)

526 Jon Gruber is a terrible football announcer also. He should stick to healthcare plans.

Wait. What?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (yshTX)

527
Rednecks up! Scouts out! Cavalry ho!

Wait, wait I haven't decided between the Krass Vector or the Tavor!!

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (sWgE+)

528 Oh shit--

"I feel better"

Just saw this at The Corner NRO

Obama: I'll Send Ground Troops to Mideast if ISIS Gets a Nuke
By Brendan Bordelon

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 03:23 PM (RJMhd)

529 Jay, So you've never known anybody who was a bade in the 60's who's pudgy now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:23 PM (RZlSA)

530 It's not just drudge, some on the left were talking about how Moonbeam was the big winner from Election Day and his star is on the rise.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at November 17, 2014 03:23 PM (81puj)

531 Like I said in the previous thread, have the grand jury announcement on Black Friday. The shopping riots and the riot riots will be indistinguishable.

Abe Lincoln would have wanted it that way when he created Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 17, 2014 03:23 PM (Dhdnu)

532 Flaming Michael Brown's skull up

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:23 PM (fWAjv)

533 "Babe" not "Bade"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (RZlSA)

534 I say let's not just paint Gruber as a fat-cat Monopoly character who drinks orphan tears out of crystal champagne flutes while riding around in the back of his stretch limo. That makes it too easy to discredit him individually, and it makes it easier for the Demonrat party to distance themselves from him.

We all know this ain't no Lee Harvey Oswald lone-gunman scenario. Reid, Pelosi, Axelrod, Jarret, et al. were all hiding behind that grassy knoll. Gruber is symptomatic of their entire body politic; he's not an outlier.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (RHLfG)

535 Just shittin' ya.

And I denounce myself.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (fWAjv)

536 Over/under the next thread is about the NG Ferguson Riots?

I would, but the way my football picks have gone this season, I'm not gambling on anything

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (A6vWB)

537 "I feel better"
Just saw this at The Corner NRO

Obama: I'll Send Ground Troops to Mideast if ISIS Gets a Nuke
By Brendan Bordelon

Red Lines and stuff.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (8ZskC)

538 Obama: I'll Send Ground Troops to Mideast if ISIS Gets a Nuke

Because ground troops will do.....what exactly, besides be a target for it?

Posted by: Blue Hen is glad that his hitch in USME ended a loong time ago at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (Spluw)

539 Obama: I'll Send Ground Troops to Mideast if ISIS Gets a Nuke By Brendan Bordelon
=====

Always but always chooses the worst action possible. Bet he'll announce when and where they'll be landing, too.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:25 PM (3ZtZW)

540
Nixon declares State of Emergency.

National Guard activated.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 02:59 PM (fWAjv)

____________________________

It was a video,, huh, amirte? Not that it makes any difference at this point anyway..

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 17, 2014 03:25 PM (HSmrB)

541 Always but always chooses the worst action possible. Bet he'll announce when and where they'll be landing, too.

The force will be "incredibly small."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:26 PM (8ZskC)

542 Obama is a moron-and not in a good way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:26 PM (RZlSA)

543
Gov. Nixon's announcement that the Guard is on standby and all police will work as unified force does not mean we are getting the announcement.
1. Must be after school/ work on a Friday
2. County said it would be later this month.
Pity, because it's snowy and very cold, and cannot last.
I just hope they leave the little kids at home.

Posted by: Justamom at November 17, 2014 03:26 PM (Sptt8)

544 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:23 PM (RZlSA)

Ronstadt was pudgy before she got skinny and cute and then got pudgy again. Only relatively brief window of hotness.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (yshTX)

545 Obama: I'll Send Ground Troops to Mideast if ISIS Gets a Nuke

wut

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (A6vWB)

546 OT, but what is behind Drudge's fascination with
Gov. Jerry Brown? This is not 1976, Brown is nor dating Linda Ronstadt.
He is not hip. He is not cool. He's a bald, old geezer with bankupt
policies....

Posted by: JoeF
********************

My rich SIL and well-married brother in Marin County think he's doing a great job. 'Course my well-married brother has been unemployed for four years, yet still voted for Bammy.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (vgIRn)

547 523 @493 Linda Ronstadt now: http://tinyurl.com/puyl5rd
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (oKE6c)

You're no good, You're no good, You're no good
Baby, You're no good,

Posted by: Linda R at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (136wp)

548 The force will be "incredibly small."Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:26 PM (8ZskC)And how long they'll stay.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (sWgE+)

549 Because ground troops will do.....what exactly, besides be a target for it?

With the Rules of Engagement designed so that our troops can't defend themselves unless they call the JAG Office first, I can't see how that could possibly go wrong.

We'll hashtag them to death.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (0HooB)

550 >>>The force will be "incredibly small."

And the chances of ISIS getting a nuke are miniscule, at best.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:28 PM (3ZtZW)

551 Why are these Parents such idiots. I am sorry but that was disgusting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:28 PM (M0mf2)

552 I hearby coin the term "money grubering".

Posted by: I Loathe Silence Sensually (ASAP spayeds dissuasion disk) at November 17, 2014 03:28 PM (xkSSa)

553 'Course my well-married brother has been unemployed for four years,

"Sugar Baby" is a form of employment.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:28 PM (ZKzrr)

554 Linda Ronstadt es muy fea y gorda y no pueda recordar mucho.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 17, 2014 03:28 PM (Dhdnu)

555 Can Gruber explain how the three seashells work?

Posted by: Blame Whom at November 17, 2014 03:29 PM (7wyDO)

556 That's just mean.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:29 PM (evdj2)

557 Ace, watching that Gruber video just a couple seconds more brings up what I think is an excellent point moving forward. The second guy states how Romney thought that Romneycare would bring him national fame and glory. He delivered to one state, I mean he was only Gov, what the liberal media pundits covet so much in Obamacare and are still protecting. And yet he was not given national fame and glory by this media, they could care less that he embraced a huge government takeover for his state; he still had an (R) at the end of his name. Teaches Republicans to never go full Gruber, or whatever silly metaphor we can use here. You will never get credit. Ahem, Immigration, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: Garett at November 17, 2014 03:29 PM (W94n4)

558 The development of nuclear missiles that could be fired from a ship or submarine would give Pakistan "second-strike" capability if a catastrophic nuclear exchange destroyed all land-based weapons. But the acceleration of Pakistan's nuclear and missile programs is renewing international concern about the vulnerability of those weapons in a country that is home to more than two dozen Islamist extremist groups.

WaPo Sept. 21, 2013

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 03:30 PM (RJMhd)

559 "Sugar Baby" is a form of employment.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:28 PM (ZKzrr)

Yet should, constitutionally, be a category of people who don't get to vote. Like felons.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 17, 2014 03:30 PM (vgIRn)

560
"Sugar Baby" is a form of employment.

Come over here and give mamma some sugar. You got to work for your sugar baby.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 03:30 PM (sWgE+)

561 I wonder how many casualties will he allow before he responds with force?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2014 03:21 PM (8ZskC)

-----------------------------------------

It really doesn't matter, you see. They ALL volunteered for this.

(Isn't this the left's mantra now?)

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 03:30 PM (qaepl)

562
The '70s are back? Where's the Carter Attack Rabbit when we need him?

Posted by: Furious George at November 17, 2014 03:20 PM (UlJ3l)

__________________________________

Yo,, what cha' need bub?

Posted by: Swamp Rabbit at November 17, 2014 03:31 PM (HSmrB)

563 The old axiom is relevant: If they'll lie to get what they want on one thing, they'll obviously continue to lie until they are caught.

All the Obama scandals have one theme.. they lie. Over and over again. Lies and obfuscation; run out the clock.. and NONE of it would be workable or even tried without a compliant media. The house of cards will someday crash and it will take the progressives down... in the press, in government agencies and in time the schools. I hope I live to see it all unravel ( hope to die of old age in 40 years.. heh)

Posted by: Yip at November 17, 2014 03:31 PM (84SRe)

564 Relevant to our interests.
http://is.gd/PPrE5M

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:31 PM (ZKzrr)

565 US Funded Palestinian Authority Official Jerusalem Needs Blood In Order To Purify Itself Of Jews

Why exactly do we fund people inciting genocide against Jews?

Weasel Zippers

HH

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:31 PM (M0mf2)

566 "Copious amounts of 18 yr old single malt scotch."

You had me at single...

Posted by: phunctor at November 17, 2014 03:32 PM (hrOoV)

567 Seems to me the response to ISIS acquiring a nuke would be better delivered from a submarine than ground troops.

Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:32 PM (A6vWB)

568 My jaw is sore from all this chewing gum and yappin', I'll be on the balcony if you need me.

Posted by: Dr. Hussein, closet smoker at November 17, 2014 03:32 PM (wAQA5)

569 Posted by: Brass Bancroft at November 17, 2014 03:24 PM (RHLfG)

Nah, Gruber and Orzsag were just guys living in the neighborhood of the White House and used to drop by for tea and crumpets of an afternoon, and Obama would put up with them solely because he is so polite!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 17, 2014 03:32 PM (F2IAQ)

570 "Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval. Good."

And the employer mandate hasn't gone into effect. You know, that mandate that this administration made sure wouldn't go into effect until it couldn't harm democrats in the 2014 mid-terms and the 2016 presidential election?

When they think that their own signature bill is going to harm them in elections, you know it's going to be bad.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2014 03:33 PM (uumvJ)

571 557 Teaches Republicans to never go full Gruber, or whatever silly metaphor we can use here. You will never get credit. Ahem, Immigration, I'm looking at you.
Posted by: Garett at November 17, 2014 03:29 PM (W94n4)

It's not about the credit from the voters/hyphenated constituency blocks.

It's about one party, big government rule. The Dems crave power to take down America. The GOP-e doesn't care so long as they can profit from it whenever they win.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:33 PM (CMkNk)

572
Posted by: Dr. Hussein, closet smoker at November 17, 2014 03:32 PM (wAQA5)

Please use the door behind the pilots cabin.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 03:34 PM (sWgE+)

573 Relevant to our interests.

Geez, that last pic is pathetic. They can GFT.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:34 PM (0HooB)

574 564
Relevant to our interests.
http://is.gd/PPrE5M

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:31 PM (ZKzrr)

Oh, man. Instant classic.

Posted by: Captain Brody at November 17, 2014 03:34 PM (sDapq)

575 Never piss off a comet scientist;

1. land probe on comet and insert steering mechanism
2. ?
3. Oh shit.

Posted by: Fritz at November 17, 2014 03:34 PM (UzPAd)

576 "Ace of Spades: Flu Journal. Day Eight of a miserable flu.

I have light-to-moderate ebola."

Um, Ace, you shouldn't screw around with someone whose nickname is "The Ebola Nurse".

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2014 03:34 PM (uumvJ)

577 The development of nuclear missiles that could be fired from a ship or submarine would give Pakistan "second-strike" capability if a catastrophic nuclear exchange destroyed all land-based weapons.

Paki seamen.
Eeew.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:35 PM (cGoQr)

578 Seems to me the response to ISIS acquiring a nuke would be better delivered from a submarine than ground troops.
Posted by: Methos at November 17, 2014 03:32 PM (A6vWB)

Sadly, I think the reason is that a sub is hard to target, so using one wouldn't be a "fair and proportionate" response!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 17, 2014 03:35 PM (F2IAQ)

579 547 523 @493 Linda Ronstadt now: http://tinyurl.com/puyl5rd
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:22 PM (oKE6c)

You're no good, You're no good, You're no good
Baby, You're no good,
Posted by: Linda R at November 17, 2014 03:27 PM (136wp)

Fat, liberal and washed up is no way to go through life, Linda.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:35 PM (CMkNk)

580 I wonder how many casualties will he allow before he responds with force?
Posted by: Cicero

A retired general was on Fox's morning show about a week ago. He said the operations in Iraq/Syria are all being directed from the WH over the Joint Command.

Susan Rice is literally calling bombing targets.

If that's the case, the ROE for any greater engagement is guaranteed to be a disaster in the waiting for our guys.

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (/lTUs)

581 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (kff5f)

582 Hey, how come Romney never mentioned that the only way Romneycare worked in Massachusetts was because they took advantage of the money Kennedy ripped off from the Federal Government? I have a new view of Romney knowing he took advantage.... small state; mis-appropriated funds... This needs more vetting if you ask me.

Posted by: Yip at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (84SRe)

583 I guarantee that won't happen.

DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 17m
HERSHEYS manufacturer warns: World running out of chocolate... http://drudge.tw/1wPtdeh

Posted by: Laws of Supple and Demand at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

584 @578...don't laugh...this is the thinking of more than one JA officer I knew in the AF.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (Dhdnu)

585 Also supply. Some supple, though.

Posted by: Laws of Supply and Demand at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

586 HERSHEYS manufacturer warns: World running out of chocolate... http://drudge.tw/1wPtdeh
Posted by: Laws of Supple and Demand at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

they can just add more wax in their recipes.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 03:37 PM (nqBYe)

587 Ebola, eh? Most likely transmitted via tainted hobo jerky.

Posted by: PabloD at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (lnJWE)

588 Susan Rice is literally calling bombing targets.

Wait, what?

Where, exactly, does she show up in the TO? 'Cause I'm pretty sure "Adviser to the President" is not a military position.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (kff5f)

589 shakes stick at RWC for making me look.

Posted by: willow at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (nqBYe)

590 Why I'll never be elected.

"General, do you know how many Germans and Japanese we killed during the Hitler War?"

"Uh..."

"General, please research it. 'Cause if you want to come in here and argue with me over WHEN it might be necessary to do that, then that's fine. But if you, as chief of the JCS, are unprepared to take such measures against Pakistan, Iran, or other hostile states REGARDLESS of necessity, then you need to leave immediately."

Posted by: Prsident JEM at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (o+SC1)

591 580 Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (/lTUs)

Just bomb whatever the field commanders want bombed and complain that transmission from DC were garbled.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (CMkNk)

592 Geez, that last pic is pathetic. They can GFT.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 17, 2014 03:34 PM (0HooB)

Colin Flaherty is gathering material for his new book 'White Protester Bleed A Lot.'

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (fWAjv)

593 101 Doctors were making, what $1000, amputating legs? Idiot had no clue how much things cost.

Posted by: Carol at November 17, 2014 02:08 PM (sj3Ax)

Not only that, but he made it seem like your family doctor was going to make boatloads of money ripping out your kids' tonsils and cutting off your leg if you are diabetic. The dumbass doesn't understand that most doctors send you to a general surgeon for these things.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (uumvJ)

594 >>>The development of nuclear missiles that could be fired from a ship or
submarine would give Pakistan "second-strike" capability if a
catastrophic nuclear exchange destroyed all land-based weapons.<<<

I don't believe Pakis are capable of this level of discipline. A Paki submarine would be one big sausage and goat festival.

Posted by: Fritz at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (UzPAd)

595 World running out of chocolate...

Cocao- renewable resource.
Sugar- renewable resource.
Butter- renewable resource.
Cream- renewable resource.

Say, what, now?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (kff5f)

596 AllenG.... don't get too upset about Susan... she's in the same awesome chain of cmd invented that has VaJay in it. Large and in charge!

Posted by: Yip at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (84SRe)

597 Parkinsons has left Linda Ronstadt unable to sing so the "washed up" part is probably beyond her control

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (RZlSA)

598 @578...don't laugh...this is the thinking of more than one JA officer I knew in the AF.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (Dhdnu)

Believe me, I wasn't laughing when I wrote that, I was crying!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (F2IAQ)

599 Lnda Ronstadt is 68 years old and has Parkinsons disease.

Old, liberal, and vibrating like AtC's sybian is no way to go thru life.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:40 PM (cGoQr)

600 Cocao- renewable resource.
Sugar- renewable resource.
Butter- renewable resource.
Cream- renewable resource.

Say, what, now?

--
It's ok. I got this.

Posted by: Laws of Supply and Demand at November 17, 2014 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

601 Hey, it where they money is ...

Posted by: Willie Sutton, PhD Economic, the School of Hard Knocks at November 17, 2014 03:40 PM (NMxmz)

602 Posted by: Prsident JEM at November 17, 2014 03:38 PM (o+SC1)

JEM for President, 2016.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:40 PM (kff5f)

603 "Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval. Good."

------------------------------------------------

Dear Leader and his minions could care less. They've smelled America's blood and they're grouping for the final kill.

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 03:40 PM (qaepl)

604 Parkinsons is no frigging way to go through life either but nobody chooses to get it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:41 PM (RZlSA)

605 "Gallup: Obamacare Falls to 37 Percent Approval. Good."

And that poll was taken BEFORE the Gruber tapes came out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:41 PM (M0mf2)

606
I guarantee that won't happen.

DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 17m
HERSHEYS manufacturer warns: World running out of chocolate... http://drudge.tw/1wPtdeh

Posted by: Laws of Supple and Demand at November 17, 2014 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

____________________________

Yep, gotta get that price up. I wonder if that Groober guy is available?

Posted by: Hersheys at November 17, 2014 03:41 PM (HSmrB)

607 Cocao- renewable resource.

There's a very serious cocao blight spreading around the world.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)

608 The GOP-e doesn't care so long as they can profit from it whenever they win.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:33 PM (CMkNk)

You are right that profit is their ultimate desire, but the key is still wining and it has proven that they wont win with the tactic he tried.

Posted by: Garett at November 17, 2014 03:42 PM (W94n4)

609 Dear Leader and his minions could care less.

This.

PP-Caca never had majority approval. It won't matter if it only has 2% approve with 90% "Strongly" disapprove. It will not be repealed while the SCOAMT is in the Oval Office.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:42 PM (kff5f)

610 And I think the approval numbers for O-care are lower. That just isn't being reported by Pravda Press American style.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (RZlSA)

611 607
Cocao- renewable resource.

There's a very serious cocao blight spreading around the world.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)

Racists!

Posted by: Eric Holder at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (sDapq)

612 Hmmm, 600 comments....

Anyone figure out a way to weaponize ace...?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (AC0lD)

613 The last person to ever taste coco may be alive today.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (evdj2)

614 >>Hey, how come Romney never mentioned that the only way Romneycare worked in Massachusetts was because they took advantage of the money Kennedy ripped off from the Federal Government? I have a new view of Romney knowing he took advantage.... small state; mis-appropriated funds... This needs more vetting if you ask me.

Yes he did. Repeatedly. Again, it wasn't a secret and was widely discussed when the law was being debated in MA before being passed. Gruber is a Dem and he has long tried to paint Romney in an unflattering light and make Kennedy sound like a hero.

Every state gets money from the feds to cover the poor. It's fallout from the old EMTALA days.

Romney asked and got permission from the feds to use that money to give subsidies to the poor to buy insurance. It wasn't a ripoff or even and increase and it wasn't a secret. You can google it.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (g1DWB)

615 "The assurances Pakistan has given the world about the safety of its nuclear program will be severely tested with short-range and sea
based systems, but they are coming," said Michael
�Krepon, co-founder of the Stimson Center, a Washington based global security think tank.. "A cardinal principle of Pakistan's nuclear program has been,"Don't worry;we separate warheads from launcher.' Well, that is very hard to do at sea."

WaPo

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (RJMhd)

616 There's a very serious cocao blight spreading around the world.

The wookie is loose.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (cGoQr)

617 Say, what, now?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (kff5f)

Don't worry, renewable resources will work fine once Obamacare reduces the demand for them!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 17, 2014 03:44 PM (F2IAQ)

618 There's a very serious cocao blight spreading around the world.

If only there were some way to Genetically Modify Organisms we use for food. Perhaps this "serious cocao blight" would be... less serious.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:44 PM (kff5f)

619 World running out of chocolate... Cocao- renewable resource. Sugar- renewable resource. Butter- renewable resource. Cream- renewable resource.
Say, what, now?

>>> As long as there is Swiss chocolate in the world, we'll be fine.

Posted by: LizLem, now craving Toblerones at November 17, 2014 03:44 PM (yRwC8)

620 @613...wait, what? Better stock up on chocolate filled twinkies.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 17, 2014 03:44 PM (Dhdnu)

621 474 Shouldn't there be, you know, actual rioting before one declares a state of emergency over the rioting?
Posted by: Methos

________

Absolutley not.

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 03:45 PM (iQIUe)

622
There's a very serious cocao blight spreading around the world.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)

_____________________________________

Racist!

Posted by: Rev Al (wait for the riots to start) at November 17, 2014 03:45 PM (HSmrB)

623 I'm back, baby!

Posted by: Carob at November 17, 2014 03:45 PM (evdj2)

624 World running out of chocolate...

Next up: chocolate ration to be increased from 30 to 20 grams.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:45 PM (oKE6c)

625 Make chocolate. Not war.

Posted by: Liberal Bakers at November 17, 2014 03:45 PM (R5UOB)

626 Yet to happen: Bill Cosby (America's first black dad), when questioned, quips to media about another Bill (America's first black president) also having trouble with women.

Wonder if there's any video of Bill Cosby talking about Bill Clinton's sexcapades?

Posted by: Bills of a Feather at November 17, 2014 03:45 PM (4k1Nl)

627 Wait' There are chocolate filled twinkles?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:46 PM (RZlSA)

628 Shouldn't there be, you know, actual rioting before one declares a state of emergency over the rioting?
Posted by: Methos

Wanna place a bet?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:46 PM (M0mf2)

629 The money cash the Pakis throw into the sea, the lest ISI gets, right.

Posted by: Willie Sutton, PhD Economic, the School of Hard Knocks at November 17, 2014 03:46 PM (NMxmz)

630 Local talk show host just referred to the entire Left/Lib class as 'Grubers'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2014 03:46 PM (F2IAQ)

631 Gateway Pundit reports that MO Gov. Nixon has declared a state of emergency and activated the Guard for 30 days. Doesn't mean they're about to announce the grand jury finding, 9 they're 1 step closer.

Posted by: PabloD at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (lnJWE)

632 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama

http://tinyurl.com/m2jem56

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (lN8KC)

633 Anyone figure out a way to weaponize ace...?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (AC0lD)

*****

Fling his rotting fetid corpse over the castle wall with a trebuchet?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (NeFrd)

634 @627 Fenelon
They're called HoHo's

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (R5UOB)

635 594 >>>The development of nuclear missiles that could be fired from a ship or
submarine would give Pakistan "second-strike" capability if a
catastrophic nuclear exchange destroyed all land-based weapons.

I don't believe Pakis are capable of this level of discipline. A Paki submarine would be one big sausage and goat festival.

Posted by: Fritz at November 17, 2014 03:39 PM (UzPAd)

**********

So you are saying sausage in your goat is halal?

Posted by: Sub Captian Yuri Muhammed Is laballin at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (RJMhd)

636 615 Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (RJMhd)

Would not be surprised if mysterious and large explosions rock Paki naval bases just like military/nuke installations in Iran.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (CMkNk)

637 Ace,
let's be clear about the reality of the inception of Bamacare. Gruber may have said "the stupidity of the American People", but wheat he meant was "The stupidity of Obama's supporters", since the bill had to pass lat Christmas Eve in a virtually secret session when no one watches the news because - at the time - a majority of Americans were still against Obamacare. Gruber's not talking about all of us. We know we got fucked. He's talking about Obama's own base.

Posted by: SGT York at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (FqBlL)

638 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama

This proposal is acceptable.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:48 PM (evdj2)

639 Weasel Zippers now also reporting on the State of Emergency and FOX News is also reporting it.

Lemme see? Monday Night Football or Rioting?
Monday Night Football or Rioting?
Monday Night Football or Rioting?
Monday Night Football or Rioting?

OK I'm going with the roiting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:48 PM (M0mf2)

640 So I was thinking....
Why don't the St. Louis cops arm themselves with water bottles?
The ACLU and protestors say the cops shouldn't react when they are thrown
So get a bunch of bottles and bust up some rioter faces with them

Posted by: Navycopjoe knows only Palin can save us at November 17, 2014 03:48 PM (KZBSl)

641 633 Anyone figure out a way to weaponize ace...?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 17, 2014 03:43 PM (AC0lD)

Breed him on the moons of Endor.

Posted by: CM at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (0NdlF)

642 Half this Gruber stuff was out there to be oppo researched in 2012.

Except Romney was the one Republican who couldn't make use of Gruber
oppo research since he had worked for Romney and done RomneyCare.
====
What's that say about those running against Romney in the primary, that they didn't find it either?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (VjL9S)

643
Having ridden in NYC taxi cabs with Pakistani drivers, the stench was enough to singe my eyebrows. I cannot even imagine what it would be like aboard the PSS Ikeeelyoo, where you can't even crack a window.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (CMkNk)

644 Chocolate filled Twinkies...

Chocolate filled Twinkies...

Nope, no joke involving TFG and Reggie there.

Posted by: RWC at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (fWAjv)

645 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama

---

It's difficult to burn a box of rocks.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (R5UOB)

646 >>> There's a very serious cocao blight spreading around the world.

Not to worry. Chocolate well frakking is being green lighted on private lands as we speak! Gushing chocolate wells as far as the eye can see...

Posted by: Bubbling crude...chocolate that is, brown gold, Swiss tea at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (yRwC8)

647 Having ridden in NYC taxi cabs with Pakistani drivers, the stench was enough to singe my eyebrows. I cannot even imagine what it would be like aboard the PSS Ikeeelyoo, where you can't even crack a window.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (CMkNk)

Ever been in a Dutch Oven?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:49 PM (M0mf2)

648 632 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama
http://tinyurl.com/m2jem56
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (lN8KC)

Finally, some good news.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (oKE6c)

649 So Romneycare was, of course, an unsustainable failure from the outset. Why are we interested in the details of the particular outrage used in each case to prop it up? Romney has not been and will not be a factor in anything to do with this disaster.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (afQnV)

650 632. I'll pay $100 to watch it streaming live

Posted by: Navycopjoe knows only Palin can save us at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (KZBSl)

651 @632 - Do we call that one a firefap?

Oh man, she could sell tickets, she could raise $50M for her favorite charity in, well, two minutes.

Posted by: Prsident JEM at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (o+SC1)

652 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire

Yeah. Go with that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (kff5f)

653
The '70's, man. They're back. Shitty music, shitty economy, shitty e'rrything.

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 17, 2014 03:15 PM (/lTUs)

When polyester bell bottoms come back in style, I'm retreating to the mountains.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (TIIx5)

654 It's going to be in the teens tonight and the windchill factor will make it seem like 7F. So, all rioting has been canceled.

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (iQIUe)

655 It's going to be in the teens tonight and the windchill factor will make it seem like 7F. So, all rioting has been canceled.

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (iQIUe)

656 @643...they can buy retrofit an old Polish submarine. They're equipped with screen doors.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (Dhdnu)

657 638 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama

This proposal is acceptable.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 03:48 PM (evdj2)

Let's all of us send the illegitimate love child of Princess Leia and General Urko a bottle of Ronson and a book of matches.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:51 PM (CMkNk)

658 If only there were some way to Genetically Modify
Organisms we use for food. Perhaps this "serious cocao blight" would
be... less serious.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:44 PM (kff5f)

Haven't you heard? GMO is teh evvvvillllll. Despite the fact GMO is the only way we can manage to consistently feed everyone in developed countries and many in developing countries.

Posted by: Heralder at November 17, 2014 03:51 PM (/Mxso)

659 If the world runs out of chocolate it'll be like swallowing the Red Pill and seeing reality for what it really is - once it clears out of all the wimmens systems.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (3ZtZW)

660
One word for the Ferguson FD.

Hoses.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (CMkNk)

661 No; Ho Hos are chocolate covered cupcakes. I think a chocolate twinkie with chocolate creme inside sounds much better than a chocolate covered cupcake. Sorry; I realize National Emergency in MO is much more important. :^) I just haven't had chocolate or sponge cake for a long time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (RZlSA)

662 Pakistani submarine?

I doubt they'll ever get it off the ground.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (NeFrd)

663 Ah this is the anniversary of the Heidi Game

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (M0mf2)

664 @660 - But if Shiela Jackson Lee is on hand, perhaps 'unleaded hoses' might be a better alternative.

Posted by: JEM at November 17, 2014 03:53 PM (o+SC1)

665 So you are saying sausage in your goat is halal?

Posted by: Sub Captian Yuri Muhammed Is laballin at November 17, 2014 03:47 PM (RJMhd)

Cream filled, sausage filled, goat. The original Tur-Duck-Hen.

Posted by: Eric Holder at November 17, 2014 03:53 PM (sDapq)

666 658. Uggggh
Somehow my state became ground zero for the GMO debate
Plus that freak Darryl Hannah keep come over and getting arrested

Posted by: Navycopjoe knows only Palin can save us at November 17, 2014 03:53 PM (KZBSl)

667 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama

--

Promises, promises.

Posted by: @votermom at November 17, 2014 03:53 PM (qQ/N4)

668 >>>When polyester bell bottoms come back in style, I'm retreating to the mountains.

Thats also what people used to do in the 70s. Communes were not really a 60s thinger

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at November 17, 2014 03:53 PM (3ZtZW)

669 One word for the Ferguson FD.
Hoses.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (CMkNk)

It'll be like last week's The Walking Dead...you get those walkers with the hose again, fake scientist guy with a Tennessee Top Hat!

Posted by: LizLem at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (yRwC8)

670 I do DoD stuff, so maybe I shouldn't use the Willie Sutton sock, but I've got a problem with Gruber's accounting.

Unless he has a staff to support with appropriate G/A and O/H pools, it is very difficult to bill at those levels as an individual. If he were selling a discrete product, yes, but not expertise which is sold by the hour. He can't double bill hours on Government contracts. A GAO audit will find problems ( this a guarantee in any program).

If he ran everything thru MIT, they're overhead could justify this?

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (NMxmz)

671
"Seriously, why learn how to build a business or spend 8 years becoming a
white collar professional when the surest route to success seems to be
becoming a professional parrot for the deep state?"

Having worked for both the federal and local (Cook County) governments, I can make only one answer to that: self-respect. If your thing is being a tiny piece of a very big, very inefficient, very corrupt system, government service will be right up your alley. Otherwise, if you like to be able to look at your reflection in the mirror without cringing, stay away.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (xgyfF)

672 I miss the old days. For Six Million Dollars we use to get a bionic man that worked.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (xcr5g)

673 Posted by: Heralder at November 17, 2014 03:51 PM (/Mxso)

Yeah. Kinda my point.

Humanity has been harvesting "GMOs" for... a very long time. Some of those are what might be called "Natural GMOs" or "genetic cross-breeding" (breeding of different, but already extant strains). Some are modified in a lab, instead.

In either case, as someone who likes to eat on a regular basis, I'm largely in favor of GMOs.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (kff5f)

674 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama

Is there anyone out there who doesn't know she's lying?

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (ZKzrr)

675 @666 - stick a camera up to her left ear, and you'll get a great panorama of what's on her right.

Posted by: JEM at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (o+SC1)

676 668. Bell bottoms
Thank god we lost those in 98

Posted by: Navycopjoe knows only Palin can save us at November 17, 2014 03:55 PM (KZBSl)

677 513
Lnda Ronstadt is 68 years old and has Parkinsons disease. Perhaps people
should not expect her to look like she did when she was dating Jerry
Brown

Interesting: The aging process pushed the ugly communist from the inside to the outside .

Posted by: John YaYa at November 17, 2014 03:55 PM (Qgr71)

678 When polyester bell bottoms come back in style, I'm retreating to the mountains.

When polyester bell bottoms come back in style, the terrorists have won.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:55 PM (cGoQr)

679 Per forecasts, today and tomorrow are below freezing in Ferguson, then five days of mild (40's) weather. If they're gong to try the Big Chill gambit, now's the time.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 17, 2014 03:55 PM (2cS/G)

680 >>What's that say about those running against Romney in the primary, that they didn't find it either?

A guy sitting in his mother's basement found it. That's what started this, not the RNC or the msm.

And best of all, it was a guy who liked the law until he got his insurance cancelled.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2014 03:55 PM (g1DWB)

681 I have plenty of "I am Darren Wilson wristbands" - reach out in the yahoo group if you want one. I'm delavalette .

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2014 03:56 PM (NMxmz)

682 Interesting: The aging process pushed the ugly communist from the inside to the outside .

Jane Fonda & HRC.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (cGoQr)

683 China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year,say officials
www.janes.com/.../china-pakistan-set-for-submarine-deal [...]
Feb 2, 2014 Pakistan could sign a deal to buy up to six submarines from China before the end of 2014,senior Pakistani government officials have told IHS

******

We all live in a yellow submarine hey!

Posted by: Sub Captian Yuri Muhammed Is laballin at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (RJMhd)

684 "Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama"

From her mouth to God's ears.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (noWW6)

685 Can we at least get cheerleaders with the Gruber posts?

Posted by: eleven at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (GXZgZ)

686 674 Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama
Is there anyone out there who doesn't know she's lying?
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 17, 2014 03:54 PM (ZKzrr)

Wait - what are you saying? /hangs head in disappointment

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (oKE6c)

687 Nood gruber redux ace post.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (NeFrd)

688 Ace: did you get your flu shot like a good boy? This is my own scientific data collection. I also need your symptoms.

Hope you feel better. If you have not discovered EmergenC at the drugstore I think it works to perk you up a bit (the B vitamins and mega C). Could be placebo, but I like it (comes in packets in a box..mix with water or juice. We prefer the raspberry flavor). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (dMEBN)

689 @677 - She was never particularly overt about it, just fashionably-enough left at the time.

I'm not going to pile on, I wish her well.

Posted by: JEM at November 17, 2014 03:57 PM (o+SC1)

690 Nood ~~Obama~~ chocolate twinkie.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 17, 2014 03:58 PM (kff5f)

691 Sheila Jackson Lee
From TEXAS

Just saying

Posted by: Navycopjoe knows only Palin can save us at November 17, 2014 03:58 PM (KZBSl)

692 Haven't you heard? GMO is teh evvvvillllll.

How ridiculous.

Posted by: Gregor Mendel at November 17, 2014 03:58 PM (Qgr71)

693 Does anyone here thing Jane Fonda was hot in Barbarella?

Posted by: eleven at November 17, 2014 03:59 PM (GXZgZ)

694 One word for the Ferguson FD. Hoses.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 17, 2014 03:52 PM (CMkNk)

-----------------------------------------

This is very true. I've been soaking wet in 50 degree temps, being soaking wet when it's in the teens and 20's would stop the rioting cold (no pun intended).

Posted by: Soona at November 17, 2014 03:59 PM (qaepl)

695 @691 - you're saying that the state needs to pass a bill making sure that if she performs the deed she's committed to, that she does so with product pumped and refined in the state?

Okay, I can see that.

Posted by: JEM at November 17, 2014 03:59 PM (o+SC1)

696
What's with all the Ronstadt hate? So she dated Jerry Brown, she dated Mick Jagger, too.

She was a beautiful singer and now she has Parkinson's. And I have a Blue Bayou CD in the truck and the music holds up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2014 04:00 PM (JtwS4)

697
What's with all the Ronstadt hate? So she dated Jerry Brown, she dated Mick Jagger, too.

She was a beautiful singer and now she has Parkinson's. And I have a Blue Bayou CD in the truck and the music holds up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2014 04:00 PM (JtwS4)

698 Ace--the Ebola Blogger.

"Every Normal Man must be tempted at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist up the black flag and begin spreading the virus."

Good luck with it Ace. I am in day seven and feeling 87% normal.

Posted by: Kasper in Quarantine.... at November 17, 2014 04:00 PM (HqpV0)

699 When polyester bell bottoms come back in style, I'm retreating to the mountains.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 17, 2014 03:50 PM (TIIx5
---------
I can handle bell bottoms. If 70's spank mags are indicative of the state of things: unkempt, overly hirsute cooters and THAT makes a comeback? I'm joining a monastery in the mountains. In Peruvia.

Posted by: saltolibreveloz at November 17, 2014 04:00 PM (hIV5w)

700 @693 - yes. But that's like saying Ho Chi Minh was a pretty good sous-chef.

Posted by: JEM at November 17, 2014 04:00 PM (o+SC1)

701 Sheila Jackson Lee
From TEXAS

Just saying

A minority carve out is the price of political dominance. Same as in Alabama. Crackin' and Packin'.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 17, 2014 04:01 PM (evdj2)

702 Yep, JackStraw and Royal, that this absolutely explosive stuff was found by essentially a hobbyist just poking around the available public record says everything we need to know about our collapsed public information system and the "opposition" party.

Try to imagine if something 1/100 this outrageous and brazen had occurred (um, it didn't) in the Bush years, connected to some issue actually affecting the entire country. You would not have been able to find the weather or sports headlines, so total would the media-stormbe. All but the lowest info of the LIVs would know something about it.

Everywhere one looks, the system of representative govt. and rule of law and citizenship is broken. From the tyranny of the courts, the dysfunction and irresponsibility and unresponsiveness of the legislature, to the lawless vandalism of the executive, to the craven passive un-American acquiescence in greater and greater idiocy and loss of liberty by the bulk of the electorate, a lot of that attributable to the disappearance of a real press.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2014 04:03 PM (afQnV)

703 512 I will accept National Guard causalities before allowing them to respond with force. My decision for unarmed troops has been made and it's final.
Posted by: Governor Jay Nixon

Wait, what? Please tell me that this is a sick joke.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 17, 2014 03:19 PM (Spluw)

Actually, that has been SOP for riot duty for a very long time. There will be a few (very few) designated personnel armed with ammo but they will not be on patrol/on the line. They are there for dire emergency only. The snuffies will use current generation state riot gear. The State/County Police will be the ones with weapons and ammo.

The Guard is there to protect Law Enforcement.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 17, 2014 04:03 PM (Gqihq)

704
Sheila Jackson Lee Vows To Set Herself On Fire To Defend Obama
..........................
Hope this trend catches on, especially with the media.

Posted by: wth at November 17, 2014 04:04 PM (wAQA5)

705
AtC's sybian

Say WHAT!!!!!

Posted by: wrg500 at November 17, 2014 04:04 PM (sWgE+)

706 MIT needs to be stripped of federal funding for employing this twat and unleashing him to Gruber the nation.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at November 17, 2014 04:08 PM (ShhlF)

707 @614 JackStraw.. Ok well, I'm not pissing on Romney too much b/c I hated that he was involved with Romneycare at the outset BUT until I saw that Gruber vid. I follow politics pretty close and I do not recall that kind of detail before. I do not recall Romney laying out the reason heathcare worked so well in MA was because of special-case medicare largess. I do recall him saying something to the effect MA was a small state and maybe not replicable, but not the medicare thing..

I appreciate you saying it was out there.... I didn't see it or hear it... and I hate Kennedy so much and Obamacare so much so I pay attention, and I really had never heard of the 400 million dollar deal for MA before.

Posted by: Yip at November 17, 2014 04:12 PM (84SRe)

708 Hey, Linda isnt doing too bad except for her health. She has a beautiful home in SF, kids, and a huge ranch in New Mexico. If that is being washed up, count me in.

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 04:20 PM (iQIUe)

709 At least Linda stopped before she became one of thes old geezers still touring while nearing their 80s. Sheesh!

Posted by: The Progs at November 17, 2014 04:21 PM (iQIUe)

710 Also note that virtually 100% of the 'Americans who are no longer uninsured' under ACA are those covered by the Medicaid expansion, or those eligible for it already but hadn't applied before the mandate. Take those out, and fewer are insured than before.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 17, 2014 05:28 PM (QIQ6j)

711 Family of five, 2,200/mon including the dental and vision add-ons
House, ~ 2,500/mon + utilities

Next year, if the trends hold, they will cross-paths.

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2014 06:55 PM (TETYm)

712 Yep. The truth is coming out. When will the Republicans do anything about it? IRS scandal, amnesty, Obamacare, crappy economy, high unemployment / jobless "recovery," higher taxes, fast and furious - debacle after debacle, but the Republicans let this administration get away with all of it. Amnesty is coming soon, and they won't do anything about it.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 17, 2014 08:18 PM (2/oBD)

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