Former WaPo Reporter, Sarah "Local Crime Story" Kilff, Has Differing Views on Centrality of Jon Gruber, Pre- and Post-"Stupidity" Comments


Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi says, "I have no idea who this man is who I praised and cited in previous statements."

Posted by: Ace at 02:28 PM




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1 What?

Posted by: Arguile the Sock at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (vy/Wl)

2 Does one person need to deny this guy three times, or can it be three different people?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (ZkzmI)

3 Obamacare? Never heard of it

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (kFxpe)

4 Nancy Pelosi says SHE HAS NO idea WHO Gruber is ????

Posted by: Reverand Al Sharpton at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (84SRe)

5 2 Does one person need to deny this guy three times, or can it be three different people?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
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Doesn't matter. They'll crucify you either way.

Posted by: St. Peter at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (VndSC)

6 How's the headache Ace?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (4IzCi)

7 Well, the is the truth and then the Revolutionary Truth.

And you're a racist if you dare disagree with her Revolutionary Truths.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (VjL9S)

8 From the last thread:

Hehe....Michelle Fields twitterslaps Seth McFarlane..



http://tinyurl.com/npfcown



And she was in high school at the time!


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (GQ8sn)

9 I hate these people so much.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (7Kbxu)

10 Memory Hole

Posted by: Bigby's Grenade Pin Puller at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (3ZtZW)

11 I never believe anything the WaPo says. They are a direct subsidiary of the DNCC. I quit using their web site for morning news a long time ago.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (u9gzs)

12 GRU-BERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LLieutenant Commander Quentin McHale, Aboard PT-73, Somewhere In The South Pacific at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (DLu2s)

13 I remember her. She was the one that said Kermit Gosnell was a local story.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (GQ8sn)

14 #BringBackOurNarrative

Posted by: Pjen Psaki at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (VndSC)

15 Typo with "Kilff".



Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (GQ8sn)

16 He got $400,000!?! Really? WTF?

Posted by: Judas Iscariot at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (Spluw)

17 As for Nancy Pelosi, she is living proof that with enough asistence you can survive insanity and stupidity combined. And even when helped she will just lie about it.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (u9gzs)

18 He got $400,000!?! Really? WTF?

Posted by: Judas Iscariot at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (Spluw)


He got 400 large for saying "we have no idea what we're doing, so let's lie".

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (GQ8sn)

19 If three people in the media say it's not important, it's not important.

It's the Islamic Rule of Media Justice.

/you mean you didn't get your handbook from the White House Communications Office? Email them. Ask for Mohammad.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (25HWz)

20 I THINK THEY MIGHT BE LYING!!

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (ZPrif)

21 Wait - EIGHT parrots? What happened to the other four? Were they purged for expressing counter-revolutionary sentiments?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (oKE6c)

22 Just a low level staffer on Obamacare.

Posted by: low level staffer at Ohio IRS office at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (nlPax)

23
The link in my nic is to a NYT article from 2012praising his involvment and saying what an expert he is.

Hurry before its memory holed

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (6/J77)

24 Candor is the leading cause of non-personhood.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (MMC8r)

25
Wait - EIGHT parrots?

--

The parrot ration was increased from 12 parrots to 8 parrots

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (ZkzmI)

26 What difference, at this point, does it make?

The science is settled.

Posted by: Walker with tennis balls at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (VndSC)

27 11 I never believe anything the WaPo says. They are a direct subsidiary of the DNCC. I quit using their web site for morning news a long time ago.
Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (u9gzs)




Much like Pravda during the Soviet era, it's useful not as a source of what to believe, but as a source of what the nomenklatura wants us to believe.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (oKE6c)

28 He got $400,000!?! Really? WTF?
Posted by: Judas Iscariot at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (Spluw)



That's a whole lot more than 30 silver dimes.

Posted by: Ron Paul! at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (PzbrO)

29 Fraud. Conspiracy to commit Fraud. Rico Act. Perjury. And somehow everyone involved is immune from actually being held accountable, because see, there is a set of laws for Government hacks and there's these laws the Government hacks and toadies use to keep the peeps in line.

Posted by: Yip at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (84SRe)

30 WAT?

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Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (ZPrif)

31 The parrots ride on my shoulder so I can be like Hugo Chavez!

Posted by: "Honest" John Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (nlPax)

32 After Mr. Gruber helped the administration put together the basic principles of the proposal, the White House lent him to Capitol Hill to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation.

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (6/J77)

33 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (kff5f)

34 This must be some of that nuance that we stupid people just don't understand.

Posted by: huerfano at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (bAGA/)

35 Who? Who? Don't mind me, I'm a demented crazy woman. It comes in handy when I need it...

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (S0A/C)

36 This is why you must always tie up your loose ends...

Posted by: Iosif Stalin at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (kFxpe)

37 wow, the democrats are wizards. I am so blinded by their wordsmith magic that I am now sure that Obama's going to have us throw him in the briar patch on this one.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (/ggyL)

38 Gruber is caught 3 times on video calling American voters stupid. Who is he talking about? Seems the only person he fooled was John Roberts. Everyone I know knew government health care would be a film flam from the start without all of his clever machinations. His bill passed without any Republican support and the majority of Americans, presumably those he is calling stupid, against it. Or is he calling the democrat base stupid for supporting it? Gruber is an economist criminal by his own admission. If he really wrote this law and wrote in such a way as to intentionally deceive, can he be sued in a class action?

Posted by: mikulin at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (AUchl)

39 Even though he was brought in by the White House, Congressional staff members from both parties trusted him because he was seen as an econometric wonk, not a political agent. But soon his very involvement with the bill caused questions about his objectivity to be raised in the news media.

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (6/J77)

40 21 Wait - EIGHT parrots? What happened to the other four? Were they purged for expressing counter-revolutionary sentiments?
Posted by: Jay Guevar

Many communities have a pet limit, as they like Mr. Gruber knows what is best for us.

This is an instance where the internet is a good thing to rub Pelosi and Reid's nose in the shit on the floor. Hows that for pet abuse?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (/GgDU)

41 If I recall correctly, Gruber was from the Cincinnati HHS office.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (ZkzmI)

42 Eff it, I posted twice in last thread from mac & am getting the Error 500 again.

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (sj3Ax)

43 The nine stages of lying.

!. Explain how wonderful, sensitive, smart and wonderful, and competent this guy is.

2. Deny knowing the guy.

3. Defend the statement by saying the statement doesn't say what the statement says. Gruber wasn't calling the voters stupid, he was calling some few senators stupid and that was the only way they could get the bill passed.

4. Deny defending the statements made by changing the subject. The Democrats didn't know what was going to be in the bill until everyone had finally agreed to what would be in the bill and they wouldn't know what was going to be in the bill until the bill actually passed.

4. Once the bill has passed, no one knows how it is actually going to work, so blame the computer programmers for bad code. Don't blame the bill for logical inconsistencies because once the bill passes the politics don't matter.

5. If you get stuck, admit that you knew the guy and thought he was pretty smart, but that was like five years ago and people and situations change and if you had known back then what you know now you wouldn't have done it that way, but since you did, now all you can do is what is best to make the program work and stop worrying about how it was passed.

6..WaIt? Phone is ringing... be right back.

Posted by: Arguile the Sock at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (vy/Wl)

44 Wait - EIGHT parrots? What happened to the other four? Were they purged for expressing counter-revolutionary sentiments?
Posted by: Jay Guevara

It was learned that four belonged to a right wing organization, and they weredenounced to Attacksquawk

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (Spluw)

45 (Jonathan Gruber as a barker on the midway, wearing a straw hat and striped showman's suit, waving a cane around.)

"Step right up, you ignorant hicks! For one thin dime you can see Little Sheba do the Dance of the Seven Veils! But of course you're too stupid to realize that Little Sheba is actually Jolene McGillicuddy, the obese hooker from Centerville, dressed up in a bellydance costume. And you're also too stupid to know that you have to pay an extra quarter to see her take off the last veil, or the window closes! Ha ha! And of course, once you are scammed out of that quarter, you immediately regret it because she's so fat and ugly! Step right up! One thin dime!"

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (K4YiS)

46 Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi says, "I have no idea who this man is who I praised and cited in previous statements."

Go with that, Nan. It works *every time*.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (kff5f)

47 Burn the videos. Cooohooo. Burn the videos.

Posted by: harry reid's parrot at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (MtkQi)

48 As I socked above, wasn't Gruber the name of the perpetually scheming torpedoman's mate on McHale's Navy? Always arousing 'The Skipper"'s ire?

It was! "Lester Gruber- a hustler and hack magician whose get-rich-quick schemes (such as promoting gambling, selling moonshine
and war souvenirs) often get the crew in trouble (that is when the crew
isn't stealing supplies or equipment). Gruber hails from Brooklyn, New York, worked in a used car sales lot and frequently references the Dodgers and Ebbets Field."

From Wikipedia. Hey, I guess ol' Lester sent his son to Harvard on the proceeds of all his scams! Bet he was so proud.....

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (DLu2s)

49 Wait - EIGHT parrots? What happened to the other four?



Dinner.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (ygfmC)

50 I hate all Grubers. First it was Nakatomi center, then it was NYC, and now Obamacare. Time to go all yippee kai yay mf'er.

Posted by: John McClain at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (WGcw3)

51 300K to crunch a few numbers, then? That he's now on record saying were lies?

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (MMC8r)

52 Consistency is for little people. You know, the middle class.

Posted by: Joe "My IQ is higher" Biden at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (QGgQ4)

53 Oh, come on. Don't you people know a "tweet-O" when you see one?

Posted by: Scott M at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (AdBfq)

54 I'm old, I was confused!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (evdj2)

55
Why is Vox Voxsplaining something that is being media embargoed????

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (u+S6D)

56 Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 3m
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Ask the outraged femynysts if they're aware of a guy called Bill Clinton.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (MMC8r)

57 As I said on Twitter, it's very possible Pelosi doesn't know who Gruber is. Dementia is a helluva thing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (4df7R)

58 I'm sure the VA is riddled with Gruber's too.

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (WGcw3)

59 Memory Hole
Posted by: Bigby's Grenade Pin Puller at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (3ZtZW)
***********
Wanna see mine?

Posted by: Kim Kardashian's Ginourmous Ass at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (32Ze2)

60 Ace's Law;

Every reporter will become Charlie Gibson for 15 minutes

Posted by: kbdabear at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (GrXXa)

61 Many communities have a pet limit, as they like Mr. Gruber knows what is best for us.



Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (/GgDU)



What's the Party coming to when a member of the nomenklatura has to follow the same rules as the kulaks? Next they'll take away his Zil and his dacha.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (oKE6c)

62 Daddy, what's a SCOAMF?

Posted by: Malia Obama at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (sDapq)

63 I pity the man's poor pet birds. Where's animal rescue when you need it?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (4df7R)

64 Gruber is caught 3 times on video calling American voters stupid. Who is he talking about?

This is an important point. The MFM (Delenda est) likes to pretend like OCare had overwhelming (or at least majority) support when it passed.

It. Did. Not.

Even when it passed, a majority of Americans did not want it passed- even many who "supported" it wanted Congress to take the time to get it right.

To the extent anyone was fooled, it was idiot legislators (BIRM).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (kff5f)

65 >>As I said on Twitter, it's very possible Pelosi doesn't know who Gruber is. Dementia is a helluva thing.

And she has staffers to do her website.
But I still don't believe her when she says she's never heard of him.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (ABcz/)

66 Gruber, meet underside of bus.

Underside of bus, meet John Gruber's broken career tumbling like a rag doll down the pavement.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (K4YiS)

67 54
I'm old, I was confused!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (evdj2)

Ah, the classic uncle Leo defense.

Posted by: Malia Obama at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (sDapq)

68 >>>He got $400,000!?! Really? WTF?

He won Pyramid opposite Alan Alda 4 times!

Posted by: Bigby's Grenade Pin Puller at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (3ZtZW)

69 Wait...Gruber suffers from parrot poisoning? Who knew there was such a thing?

Posted by: The Progs at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (iQIUe)

70 PROTECT THE PRECIOUS!!!!!

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (sjdRT)

71 "Gruber" automatically associates you with evil genius. Or evil narcissist. You pick.

Posted by: Iblis at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (9221z)

72 Nancy's next excuse: "Oh, that Jonathan Gruber. Right, right, right. I know so many Jonathan Grubers it's hard to keep them straight. Half of MIT is named "Jonathan Gruber," isn't it?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (oKE6c)

73 Come to the Dark Side.
Witness the Power of a Fully Operational Angry Vagina!!

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Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (ZPrif)

74 Underside of bus, meet John Gruber's broken career tumbling like a rag doll down the pavement.
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (K4YiS)

----

Easy there buster. Let's not get carried away.

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (u+S6D)

75 Oh come on, this "amnesia" thing isn't even remotely believable.

Posted by: Jason Bourne at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (YXmuI)

76 Wait - Parrots are polarizing? Who knew? I denounce myself for the poicephalus senegalus.

Posted by: BCUZ thanks bye, ok? at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (ucB75)

77 Ahhh, the old thread switcheroo when I wasn't looking.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (xSCb6)

78 Daddy, what's a SCOAMF?
Posted by: Malia Obama



A term of endearment.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (g2T/X)

79 Daddy, what's a SCOAMF?
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Hush child, eat your mushroom, bacon, and Swiss burger and then you'll get your death by chocolate dessert.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (/nR7C)

80 Underside of bus, meet John Gruber's broken career tumbling like a rag doll down the pavement.

Posted by: zombie


One word -- Tenure.

Posted by: pep at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (YXmuI)

81 >>Underside of bus, meet John Gruber's broken career tumbling like a rag doll down the pavement.

Do you really think Gruber will pay for this?
He's got the cushy academic gig, and if we know anything about sleazy Dems/progressives, it's that they take care of their own (see: Freddie Mac). I'm sure he'll be fine.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (ABcz/)

82 This denial-mania is actually GREAT NEWS.

It means that the Powers That Be have realized that Gruber's comments are indefensible. So they've given up trying to put a smiley-face on his "stupid" comments, and instead have retreated to the fallback position of "Never heard of the guy!"

They are in full panic mode. Keep pursuing them across the battlefield. Their backs are exposed!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (K4YiS)

83 Witness the Power of a Fully Operational Angry Vagina!!

Did that in college once.

Don't want to talk about it.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (A6vWB)

84 Posted by: mikulin at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (AUchl)

He is calling those who support the Bill, stupid...

Thus, calling DEMOCRATS stupid...

Conservatives, not fooled, ergo not stupid.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (f0pWu)

85 It would be really refreshing if one Democrat who voted for Obamacare had the courage to say, "I didn't actually read the entire bill. I took my colleagues word for it. Not that I've seen what''s going on I see it's a piece of garbage which we rammed down people's throat. I apologize for this and understand why people are infuriated with President Obama and the Democrat Party."

I'm not holding my breath, however. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (QlprU)

86 I know at least seven Jon Grubers.

Posted by: Jay Carney at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (evdj2)

87 To the extent anyone was fooled, it was idiot legislators (BIRM).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (kff5f)

And their idiot voters, the idiot Obama voters, and their traitorous media figures, who all ranted about how racist detractors were, how heartless detractors were for wanting to throw grandma off the cliff, etc., ad nauseum.

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (sDapq)

88 They are in full panic mode. Keep pursuing them across the battlefield. Their backs are exposed!
Posted by: zombie
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...See them driven before you...

Posted by: I'll be back at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (VndSC)

89 THEN WHO WAS CAGE LINER?

Posted by: Rachel at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (XzRw1)

90 They are in full panic mode. Keep pursuing them across the battlefield. Their backs are exposed!

Forward and claim your victory, boys! They won't stand!

Posted by: Zombie Lord Wellington at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (evdj2)

91 Have I told you how stupid voters are? No?

Let me tell you guys! Get this! They cant keep their mouth shut!

Posted by: Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (c8Jim)

92 So does Pelosi actually try to wave her hand like a Jedi pulling a Jedi mind trick when she talks now?

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (Mv/2X)

93
Come Gruber was just a low level staffer in our Cincinnati office.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (kQBSd)

94

Seriously you guys ! read the link in my nic. The NYT article brags an boasts how involved this guy was. They heap praise on him

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (6/J77)

95 I think someone forgot to tell the libtards that once something is on the internet, it is there forever! Hahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (4+IgA)

96 Shut the Fuckin Government Down and throw all the liars out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (M0mf2)

97 This Gruber guy was basically getting coffee for the people who actually wrote the bill.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (sjdRT)

98 Nanny Pelosi could not look more stupid...oh, yes she can! I love it! People everywhere with screen shots. bwahaha. She broke through the glass ceiling and sharded herself.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at November 13, 2014 02:46 PM (dMEBN)

99 re 32: thanks for the NYT link. I saved a copy, you know, just in case.

Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 02:46 PM (bJm7W)

100 **to Honest John Gruber's parrots**


Lie back, and think of Rio.

Posted by: the Chicken at November 13, 2014 02:46 PM (nlPax)

101 -
Barack who??

Posted by: 2016 Dem Presidential Hopefuls at November 13, 2014 02:46 PM (8GKDa)

102 >>FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (QlprU)

The ones who knew it was crap are the ones who have retired. They did not want to be around when the doo-doo hit the fan.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:46 PM (ABcz/)

103 What is this 'O-ba-ma-Care you speak of?

Posted by: Nanzi P. at November 13, 2014 02:46 PM (MMC8r)

104 Hey, he's got eight parrots. I think I am safe.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (0FSuD)

105 Shut the Fuckin Government Down and throw all the liars out.

I second the motion to fire everyone.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (A6vWB)

106 96 Shut the Fuckin Government Down and throw all the liars out.

Short of nuking the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (R5qgD)

107 Life is like a box of Grubers.

Posted by: Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (c8Jim)

108 She broke through the glass ceiling and sharded herself.
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I think that is supposed to be spelled "sharted".

Posted by: Roy at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (VndSC)

109 She broke through the glass ceiling and sharded herself.

It's no laughing matter.

Posted by: Al Roker at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (evdj2)

110 Witness the Power of a Fully Operational Angry Vagina!!

Who's getting thrown to the Almighty Sarlac?

And their idiot voters, the idiot Obama voters, and their traitorous media figures, who all ranted about how racist detractors were, how heartless detractors were for wanting to throw grandma off the cliff, etc., ad nauseum.

No, I don't think they were fooled. I think they were in on the scam. The ones fooled were the Ben Nelsons. The ones fooled were the John Boehners and Mitch McConnells.

They were fooled into thinking it wasn't as bad as it was, so it was "just" a political battle. They were fooled into not realizing how important a battle it was.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (kff5f)

111 How dare you criticize me!!!
I'll have you know I was a woman once!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (ZPrif)

112 Daddy, what's a SCOAMF?
Posted by: Malia Obama

----

ive posted this before .... but bears repeating.

I was "debating" my libtard brother on Facebook and refered to JEF as SCOAMF several times. He finally asked what is SCOAMF. After a long pause I typed:

Supreme
Commander
OF
Americas
Military
Forces

What was hilarious was he started referring to Obama as SCOAMF quite a bit until one of his libtard brethren clued him in.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (u+S6D)

113 I took Al Jolson to Senior Prom!

Posted by: Nanzi P. On Jonathan Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (MMC8r)

114 Sometimes Gruber would get on his hands and knees and be a footrest for the real architects. So was he involved? Yes, like the other furniture in the room, he was involved.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (sjdRT)

115 69 Wait...Gruber suffers from parrot poisoning? Who knew there was such a thing?
Posted by: The Progs at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (iQIUe)



Shhhh. Don't give him ideas. He'll lay off the statements to dementia from psittacosis.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (oKE6c)

116 Well, that simplifies things.

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Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (ZPrif)

117 They did not want to be around when the doo-doo hit the fan.
Posted by: Lizzy

It just did. Surprisingly, it wasn't us.

Posted by: 12 Angry parrots at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (Spluw)

118 you know something..? If there were photos of Obama giving oral to the top ten guys in the ChiCom regime, the people in the MSM would find a way to ignore it. One hopes that local FOX stations (channel 5 here in the NYC area) are giving it coverage for those without cable.

Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (bJm7W)

119 Wait...Gruber suffers from parrot poisoning? Who knew there was such a thing?

Posted by: The Progs at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (iQIUe)


Twittacosis. It's real. Look it up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (7MWCL)

120 Gruber started with eight parrots, but so many Americans have started giving him the bird....

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (MMC8r)

121 I did see Hans Gruber open for Asian Dawn at the Nakatomi in Orlando

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (kFxpe)

122 I hope Gruber gets pissed off at being thrown under the bus and goes down swinging. He's the friend that brought the shovel - if he starts talking ...

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (TETYm)

123 111 How dare you criticize me!!! I'll have you know I was a woman once!!
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (ZPrif)

Damn, you just can't stop lying can you?

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (WGcw3)

124 I know liars, and this Gruber person who I've never heard of before today, is no liar. Oh wow, another ballot box of votes for me?

Posted by: Al Franken at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (lJJaE)

125 He got $400,000!?! Really? WTF?



Posted by: Judas Iscariot at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (Spluw)



And has the fucking gall to derisively say "Surgeons were middle class in the 50s".


Right, so let's play compare and contrast.


A surgeon can make a lot of money by saving lives.


A clueless economist/professor can make a lot of money by lying his ass off.


I'm thinking the surgeon's actually earning his keep, but eggs and omelettes and all that to the typical leftist I guess.




Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (xSCb6)

126 96
Shut the Fuckin Government Down and throw all the liars out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (M0mf2)

We're going to need a bigger out.

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (sDapq)

127 95 I think someone forgot to tell the libtards that once something is on the internet, it is there forever!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


"Net Neutrality" actually means "Stuff the government doesn't want you to see will be 'neutralized' off the internet by Official White House Web Censors."

Just pass the Net Neutrality bill, and read it later! Don't worry about the details!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (K4YiS)

128 Does anyone take Vox seriously?

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (sj3Ax)

129 They are in full panic mode. Keep pursuing them across the battlefield. Their backs are exposed!


Forward and claim your victory, boys! They won't stand!


Sweep the leg! Curbstomp them!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (g2T/X)

130 Wait...Gruber suffers from parrot poisoning? Who knew there was such a thing?

Posted by: The Progs at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (iQIUe)


Twittacosis. It's real. Look it up.


Chirpes.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (evdj2)

131 DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 7m

WIRE: Islamic State, Al-Qaida Join Forces.. http://drudge.tw/1EHbSdG

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (ZPrif)



See, I told you Al-Qaida was on the run

Posted by: King Putt at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (kFxpe)

132 Well, that simplifies things.



DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 7m

WIRE: Islamic State, Al-Qaida Join Forces.. http://drudge.tw/1EHbSdG

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:48 PM (ZPrif)
Clears ups Obama's AUMF problem. Thank you, W

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (TETYm)

133 DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 7m
WIRE: Islamic State, Al-Qaida Join Forces..

-----


Um... they were always the same thing sugar tits.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (u+S6D)

134 Trust me, you can trust these guys and gals!

Posted by: Joe Isuzu at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (+Fae7)

135 FINISH HIM!!!!

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 13, 2014 02:51 PM (evdj2)

136 Pelosi is socking Charlie Gibson? "Never heard of him." Classic.

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 02:51 PM (sDapq)

137 What was hilarious was he started referring to Obama as SCOAMF quite a bit until one of his libtard brethren clued him in.

I am more amazed that SCOAMF is in common enough usage that a random libtard is familiar with it.

Islamic State, Al-Qaida Join Forces.

Huh. I guess that means the 9/11 AUMF applies to ISIS now.

Maybe if we have a President in a couple of years, he'll do something about it.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2014 02:51 PM (A6vWB)

138 Shut the Fuckin Government Down and throw all the liars out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup


We're going to need a bigger out.
Posted by: flounder



Death Valley is available.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (g2T/X)

139 Please. Won't someone allow him be clear?

Posted by: SHUT UP YOU CRACKER RACISTS at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (SJp+V)

140 Is this Gruber fellow available for hire? We like his work.

Posted by: ISIS at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (Mv/2X)

141 http://tinyurl.com/o8vlokq

Lindsey Graham to force a vote on Key Iran Bill

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (sj3Ax)

142 >>I'm thinking the surgeon's actually earning his keep, but eggs and omelettes and all that to the typical leftist I guess.

Surgeons are worth every penny. It is a-maz-ing the kinds of surgeries, and treatments in general, that are available today.

But Gruber? Wouldn't even pay a dollar to listen to his opinions on healthcare.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (ABcz/)

143 So who wrote the ACA bill, if not Gruber?

The Divine Watchmaker, that's who, you stupid rubes!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (K4YiS)

144 I know Nancy isn't lying because my wife, em, er, Morgan Fairchild and I were with her, yeah, that's right, that's the ticket, Morgan Fairchild and I were with her.

Posted by: Tommy Flannigan at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (+Fae7)

145 Chirpes.

Posted by: toby928



Golf. Clap.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:53 PM (g2T/X)

146 It would be really refreshing if one Democrat who voted for Obamacare had the courage to say, "I didn't actually read the entire bill. I took my colleagues word for it. Not that I've seen what''s going on I see it's a piece of garbage which we rammed down people's throat. I apologize for this and understand why people are infuriated with President Obama and the Democrat Party." I'm not holding my breath, however. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (QlprU)


----------------------------------------------


I believe a few of them did. There was an old dem hack congressman (can't remember his name) that said, when asked if he'd read it, said that he wouldn't be able to read it, that only a lawyer could read it.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:53 PM (oJNGo)

147 I am more amazed that SCOAMF is in common enough usage that a random libtard is familiar with it.

----

It has its own webpage.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:53 PM (u+S6D)

148 Man, these fuckers lie about everything.

Posted by: Richard Nixon at November 13, 2014 02:53 PM (+Fae7)

149 It's always the same with Dems

"I did not have sex, with that woman"

"If you like you doctor, you can keep your doctor"

""I don't know who he is. He didn't help write our bill."

"Sit tight Ambassador, the Cavalry is on the way"

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (kFxpe)

150 I think the next video will be Gruber actually doing coke with Lena Dunham while wearing a Hitler costume on Veterans Day.

Posted by: Blame Whom at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (7wyDO)

151 Sarah "Local Crime Story" Kilff]/i]

lol, love it.

Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (/Mxso)

152 Chirpes.

Posted by: toby928



Golf. Clap.


It's a canarial disease.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (evdj2)

153 The bill appeared on gold tablets, unearthed in upstate new York! Now shut up!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (K4YiS)

Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (/Mxso)

155 Gruber want a creepy ass cracker?

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (XzRw1)

156 I'm sure Gruber goes with the discount surgeon.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (MMC8r)

157 >>WIRE: Islamic State, Al-Qaida Join Forces.

Now how exactly does that newly minted "Khorisan" group fit into all this? ...../sarc

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (ABcz/)

158 They are in full panic mode. Keep pursuing them across the battlefield. Their backs are exposed!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (K4YiS)


It's the same thing that brought Tony Hot Dog down. Conservative media may have broken the Leftist monopoly on the media, but they're still firmly in control. Even though numerous other scandals seem to have gone nowhere, just keeping them alive seems to have worn down the enemy.

The right has to fully exploit any opening.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (xSCb6)

159 *looks at barrel* That was close, my friend.

Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (/Mxso)

160 No, I don't think they were fooled. I think they
were in on the scam. The ones fooled were the Ben Nelsons. The ones
fooled were the John Boehners and Mitch McConnells.



They were fooled into thinking it wasn't as bad as it was, so it was
"just" a political battle. They were fooled into not realizing how
important a battle it was.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (kff5f)

I am talking about the LIVs and the Obama-can-do-no-wrong-he-is-looking-out-for-us-supporters, and the media figures what constantly made light of any criticisms about death panels, etc. The Obama supporters we later read about how shocked they were that their rates actually went up, their policies cancelled, etc. Those people, Gruber was actually right about.

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (sDapq)

161 So who wrote the ACA bill, if not Gruber?

The Divine Watchmaker, that's who, you stupid rubes!
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (K4YiS)


-------------------------------------------


All kidding aside, didn't Beck find information that it was the Tides Foundation that did most of the actual writing?

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (oJNGo)

162 Gruber does have a point. Americans are woefully lacking in economic knowledge. Case in point, obama elected twice. All you have to do is stir up a crowd by screeching "The rich must pay!" And then sit back and enjoy the accolades. It does not ever seem to penetrate that if you tax the corporations it just means that the costs are passed along to consumers and we pay higher prices. For the life of me I don't get why this is a difficult concept or why Republicans can't seem to articulate it.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (WtwaU)

163 There was an old dem hack congressman (can't remember his name) that said, when asked if he'd read it, said that he wouldn't be able to read it, that only a lawyer could read it.
Posted by: Soona

Sen T. Carper of Delaware said something like that. Then he voted for it anyway and defended it. Fuck him.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (Spluw)

164 I believe a few of them did. There was an old dem hack congressman (can't remember his name) that said, when asked if he'd read it, said that he wouldn't be able to read it, that only a lawyer could read it.

John Conyers (D-MI)

http://tinyurl.com/op5qrzt

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (L2xDv)

165 Such a shame, this Gruber chap had such nice creases

Posted by: David Brooks at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (kFxpe)

166 Forward and claim your victory, boys! They won't stand!

Posted by: Zombie Lord Wellington


Your eye, M'lord.

Posted by: swabbie cut-loop at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (QGgQ4)

167 The bill appeared on gold tablets, unearthed in upstate new York! Now shut up!

Posted by: zombie

I want my $400K

Posted by: Dancing Salamader at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (TETYm)

168 Chirpes.
Posted by: toby928

Golf. Clap.


It's a canarial disease.
Posted by: toby928



You are flying high today.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (g2T/X)

169 Ass cracker. Coohoo. Ass cracker.

Posted by: harry reid's parrot at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (MtkQi)

170 What was hilarious was he started referring to Obama as SCOAMF quite a bit until one of his libtard brethren clued him in.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (u+S6D)

Victory.

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (sDapq)

171 So Gruber did such a great job on Streisand's hair they put him in charge of drafting Obamacare?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (XO6WW)

172 Gruber does have a point. Americans are woefully lacking in economic knowledge.
----

Of course he has a point.

He's not in trouble for saying LIVs are stupid.

He's in trouble for deliberately lying to take advantage of their stupidity.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (u+S6D)

173 I'm sure Gruber goes with the discount surgeon.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:54 PM (MMC8r)


"All amputations 50% off, if you ACT NOW! Operators are standing by."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (7MWCL)

174 Half of MIT is named "Jonathan Gruber," isn't it?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:42 PM (oKE6c

I thought it was JOHN Gruber not Jon Gruber.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (/GgDU)

175 At Pelosi's next news conference, when challenged as to who actually wrote the Affordable Care Act, she will say,

"I was in a cave outside Medina when the Angel Gabriel came to me while I was in a trance. He dictated the entire text to me verbatim, which I then transcribed onto sheets of bark. The word of ACA is thus eternal, unchanging and perfect!"

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (K4YiS)

176 You didn't write that bill

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (kFxpe)

177 I am more amazed that SCOAMF is in common enough usage that a random libtard is familiar with it.

The Horde is awesome.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (kff5f)

178 Gruber does have a point. Americans are woefully lacking in economic knowledge.

So is Gruber.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (L2xDv)

179 -
96
Shut the Fuckin Government Down and throw all the liars out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM
------

...more government liars... something-something teaspoons of water in Pacific... something-something grains of sand... something-something Bill Clinton bimbos.

Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (pMGkg)

180 So as far as I can tell, the two most powerful democrats are Gruber and Jarrett.



Posted by: Irregular Joe at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (SJp+V)

181 104 Hey, he's got eight parrots. I think I am safe.
Posted by: The Chicken at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (0FSuD)


And to think, Hugo Chavez only had me.

Posted by: Zombie Hugo Chavez's Zombie Parrot that rode on his shoulder at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (+Fae7)

182 It does not ever seem to penetrate that if you tax the corporations it just means that the costs are passed along to consumers and we pay higher prices.

Isn't Gruber actually admitting this in these tapes?

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (MMC8r)

183 #BringBackFourParrots

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (7ObY1)

184 Pelosi makes Baghdad Bob look like an honest guy.

In other news, 70% of people who use social networking sites are concerned that they *might* be being monitored.... (snort)

a. aha. haha... hahahahahaha

Idiots.

Posted by: Tangonine at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (NUCTk)

185 Pelosi couldn't find her own ass with a mirror and back scratcher.

Posted by: Stupid Voter at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (N3Y73)

186 Just pass the Net Neutrality bill, and read it later! Don't worry about the details!
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (K4YiS)

Passed on a chance to argue the merits of Net Neutrality with a twerp on Twitter who claimed I didn't understand the bill. I just said if the government is anymore involved in the Internet than it already is, we citizens lose.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (l1zOH)

187 All kidding aside, didn't Beck find information that it was the Tides Foundation that did most of the actual writing?

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (oJNGo)


Wasn't there some Red-infested union (BIRM) that had written a lot of it and had it sitting in a desk drawer in SF, waiting for an opportune moment to excrete it? Maybe a Van Jones connection? Sorry, I don't remember much about it. As was doubtless intended.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (oKE6c)

188 That guy who bilked my grandmother out of her life savings had a point when he said old people are easily confused.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (ZPrif)

189 Pelosi says what?

http://tinyurl.com/omwaux4

Posted by: bour3 at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (5x3+2)

190 #BringBackFourParrots
Posted by: Citizen X



#Burrrrp!
--Sylvester

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (g2T/X)

191 "150 I think the next video will be Gruber actually doing coke with Lena Dunham while wearing a Hitler costume on Veterans Day."

You don't think like a True Progressive Democrat.

He'd be wearing Marine Dress Blues.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (XO6WW)

192 >>WIRE: Islamic State, Al-Qaida Join Forces.

No, they just linked up

Posted by: Bigby's Grenade Pin Puller at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

193 I read somewhere this week that they blame ValJar for midterm losses but it is really the SCOAMT

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (sj3Ax)

194 So infidels, what should our new alliance name be?
al ISIS?
Islamic Queda?
Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?

Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (WGcw3)

195 The Ferguson thugavists in Geneva couldn't behave themselves at the UN:

http://goo.gl/AJVozB

Posted by: The Progs at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (iQIUe)

196 Ace
Is your migraine better?

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (sj3Ax)

197 The Brooklyn Eagle would have covered this story.

Posted by: Lester Gruber at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (l3vZN)

198 >>All kidding aside, didn't Beck find information that it was the Tides Foundation that did most of the actual writing?

Commie IL Rep. Jan Shakowski's husband, Robert Creamer, originated a lot of the tactics used to get it passed. In a book he wrote while in prison.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (ABcz/)

199 Crimson Jihad.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (evdj2)

200 So has the obligatory video of when Hitler found out about Gruber shown up on youtube yet?

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (Mv/2X)

201 Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?

Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (WGcw3)


Son of a bitch. There goes my keyboard.

Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (/Mxso)

202 wait, where's the random libturd who knows what SCOAMF means?

I must be missing something.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (7ObY1)

203 >>I think the next video will be Gruber actually doing coke with Lena Dunham while wearing a Hitler costume on Veterans Day

Off of Kim Kardashian's gigantic ass.

Just keeping it topical.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (g1DWB)

204 ll kidding aside, didn't Beck find information that it was the Tides Foundation that did most of the actual writing?
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:55 PM (oJNGo)

According to the left, the Heritage Foundation wrote it. It was their idea, that the Heritage Foundation first proposed requiring everyone to have health insurance.

Seriously. Just google Heritage Foundation ACA law and you will be dazzled by the hundreds of websites claiming that the ACA is the brain child of the Heritage Foundation. And how the lib website cannot fathom why conservatives are against the law, since it is what they wanted in the first place.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (hjTr7)

205 It does not ever seem to penetrate that if you tax the corporations it just means that the costs are passed along to consumers and we pay higher prices. For the life of me I don't get why this is a difficult concept or why Republicans can't seem to articulate it.

because they have an unflinching faith that their god like government won't let coporations do that.and that believe is based on the misguidedassumption that democratic leadership doesn't take every bit as much money as republicans from corporate donors

Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (lKyWE)

206 It does not ever seem to penetrate that if you tax the corporations
it just means that the costs are passed along to consumers and we pay
higher prices.



Government HQ/Presidium: "But if we tax the peasantry any more, they'll be pissed, comrade."

"Da, da, so we don't tax them. We tax the capitalist corporations, who will raise prices. They'll take heat for higher prices, we get tax money to piss away, AND we blame corporations for raising prices."

"Comrade, you are genius."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (oKE6c)

207 wow

just digging around the interwebs and found a site that says he has a wife, 3 kids and 8 parrots
and they published his work phone and email

and his home address and phones

and recommended people come by to "wash his car"

that's a bit scarey

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (zOTsN)

208 203 >>I think the next video will be Gruber actually doing coke with Lena Dunham while wearing a Hitler costume on Veterans Day

Off of Kim Kardashian's gigantic ass.--------------

What's wrong with that?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (/GgDU)

209 Posted by Ace at two twenty-eight PM


Is this a new feature?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (evdj2)

210 bonk bonk

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (fIv/H)

211 Is it time to spit on your hands and raise the black flag yet?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (WNERA)

212 But...who PAID for all those Thug-o-vists to go to Geneva?

You can bet WE somehow did.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (7ObY1)

213 That guy who bilked my grandmother out of her life savings had a point when he said old people are easily confused.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (ZPrif)


as a side note: old folks may be an easy demographic, except for one tiny, itsy bitsy point: they have kids. And their kids have kids.

And if you rick roll my mom?

Well. eh. I don't think I even need to explain what will happen to you.

Posted by: Tangonine at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (NUCTk)

214 It does not ever seem to penetrate that if you tax the corporations it just means that the costs are passed along to consumers and we pay higher prices.

Isn't Gruber actually admitting this in these tapes?
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (MMC8r)


------------------------------------------------


Yes he did.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (oJNGo)

215 Philae apparently came to rest in a gully or hole, where it's not getting enough sunlight.

https://tinyurl.com/mlmmukh


Hopefully they have learned enough about comet surfaces to design a better attachment system next time.

Posted by: rickl at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (zoehZ)

216 >>So infidels, what should our new alliance name be?

al ISIS?

Islamic Queda?

Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?

Just *don't* call them Muslims, islamaphobe!

Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (ABcz/)

217 A wife, 3 kids and 8 parrots walk into a bar...

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (7ObY1)

218 So infidels, what should our new alliance
name be?
al ISIS?
Islamic Queda?
Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?
Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack



Drone Bait.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (g2T/X)

219 204 Just google Heritage Foundation ACA law and you will
be dazzled by the hundreds of websites claiming that the ACA is the
brain child of the Heritage Foundation. And how the lib website cannot
fathom why conservatives are against the law, since it is what they
wanted in the first place.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (hjTr7)


No more infallible sign that Obolacare has hit the rocks than the Reds blaming conservatives for it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (oKE6c)

220 Gruber does have a point. Americans are woefully lacking in economic knowledge.


Yes, they are. But what I find most hilarious about this whole Gruber nonsense isn't that he said they had to lie to America's stupid voters because they were too dumb to understand the bill, but rather that they lied to the American voters because telling the American voters THE TRUTH would have turned them off. In other words, the Dems weren't "exploiting" the "stupidity" of the American voter, but rather the American voter's lack of desire or opportunity to read a 2000 page piece of legislation written by lawyers and lobbyists.

In that regard, the American voter and their members of Congress are exactly the same.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (4df7R)

221 182....Yes, he is saying exactly that. I'm just bamboozled that 50+% can't grasp the concept.

I'm glad Gruber's words are captured. I'm appalled that he's right.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (WtwaU)

222 "All amputations 50% off, if you ACT NOW! Operators are standing by."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (7MWCL)


If you get your diabeetus supplies from Liberty, you only get 33% off your amputations.

Posted by: Zombie? Wlfred Brimly at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (+Fae7)

223 What's wrong with that?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (/GgDU)

That would be a ginormous amount of coke.

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (y67bA)

224 **Sobs**



I wish I was prettier.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (sjdRT)

225 The drawback to blaming it on Heritage is that you should still have Massachussetts to show what a disaster it was.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (MMC8r)

226 I did not serve with Jon Gruber. I did not know Jon Gruber.I was never a friend of Jon Gruber. I sir, am not a knower of Jon Gruber.

Posted by: Lloyd "did I mention I don't know Jon Gruber" Bentsen at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (JOFI1)

227 Nothing makes me want to run to the nearest vending machine and down a measure of ice cold whiskey quite like reading the twentysomethings at Vox.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (uqV2n)

228 Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?



Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (WGcw3)

Son of a bitch. There goes my keyboard.




Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (/Mxso)


(licks pencil tip) Definitely goes in the book.

Posted by: Tangonine at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (NUCTk)

229 I wish I was prettier.


Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (sjdRT)

So do we.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (oKE6c)

230 In that regard, the American voter and their members of Congress are exactly the same.

And one of the reasons (there were several) they pushed so fast to ram PP-Caca down our throats was that some citizens *were* reading the bill.

They couldn't have *that*, so they had to rush the process (even more than they already were).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (kff5f)

231 Off of Kim Kardashian's gigantic ass.--------------



What's wrong with that?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (/GgDU)


Well, it's entirely too much coke, for one thing. Secondly, if some if it were to get knocked down the crack, there's some things that spelunkers just won't do.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (7MWCL)

232 Where the fuck is Hector?

From comments the past two days I have deduced a new conservative axiom.

All taxpayers should seek to reduce their tax burden within the guidelines allowed by the law. It is best for government to leave as much of the salary/wage earner's money in his/her own hands as possible unless the taxpayer is:

1. a left-wing singer/songwriter
2. a recipient of a health care exchange tax credit

Posted by: RioBravo at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (SaMXZ)

233 Wow, when Obama gets back from Asia and reads this in the paper he's gonna be so pissed off! Moreso than any of us, I am sure!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (Bn9/M)

234 I am the destroyer of worlds.

Posted by: Obama Bus at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (sH832)

235

I wish I was prettier.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (sjdRT)

You look fine to me.

Posted by: Stevie Wonder with his eyes closed in the dark at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (MMC8r)

236 Gruber cancelled Firefly.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (mR7Es)

237 **Sobs**



I wish I was prettier.


Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (sjdRT)


"Trust us, so do we."
- Everyone who works with Sarah Kliff

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (4df7R)

238 That would be a ginormous amount of coke.

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 03:04 PM (y67bA)


Did someone call?

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (NUCTk)

239 @jeffzeleny
ABC News Senior Washington Correspondent

Jeff Zeleny @jeffzeleny 39m
Even if Obama goes ahead w/immigration action, McConnell says: We will not shut government down over it. Spending bill won't be held hostage

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (ZPrif)

240 re 185: and we have a winner...

Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (bJm7W)

241 227 Nothing makes me want to run to the nearest vending machine and down a measure of ice cold whiskey quite like reading the twentysomethings at Vox.
Posted by: Oschisms at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (uqV2n)




What matters is what you learn AFTER you know everything.


As one of my colleagues in academia once sighed, "God how I'd like a job where I dealt with grownups."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (oKE6c)

242 http://goo.gl/c5NS5S

You have to see the provocation these so called peaceful protestes spew.

Posted by: The Progs at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (iQIUe)

243 The only way he can achieve orgasm is by stuffing a parrot up his ass?

Posted by: MacGruber wrote Obamacare at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (nlQae)

244 if Americans are woefully ignorant of civics and economics as Gruber says

THANK A TEACHER

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 03:08 PM (zOTsN)

245 Gruber cancelled Firefly.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (mR7Es)

I fucking KNEW it!

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:08 PM (NUCTk)

246 Hopefully they have learned enough about comet surfaces to design a better attachment system next time.

Posted by: rickl at November 13, 2014 03:03 PM (zoehZ)


Suction cups. Ohhh, wait..

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 03:08 PM (7MWCL)

247 Regarding the Ferguson Thugs Lovers at the UN...read the article and then read the comments, I'm still laughing.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:08 PM (hjTr7)

248 186
Just pass the Net Neutrality bill, and read it later! Don't worry about the details!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (K4YiS)



Passed on a chance to argue the merits of Net Neutrality with a
twerp on Twitter who claimed I didn't understand the bill. I just said
if the government is anymore involved in the Internet than it already
is, we citizens lose.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 13, 2014 02:58 PM (l1zOH)

There's a bill? I thought it was just Obama urging the FCC to reclassify ISPs as common carriers. In essence, more power grab by executive fiat. What am I missing?

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 03:08 PM (sDapq)

249 uggggh
if only the media wasn't owned by the RNC!!!!11!!
as per the KOSkids

Posted by: navycopjoe can throw better than Jay Cutler at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (w7ptZ)

250 McConnell says: We will not shut government down over it. Spending bill won't be held hostage

!

!!!

O_o

o_O

o_o

This is your desk warning, for those so inclined. Conditions are favorable for Profanity Laced Rant formation.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (kff5f)

251 Just checked out Kliff's Twitter page.

It's almost entirely devoted to teh awesomeness that is O'Care.

Bought and paid for Media whore.

(If I hung out at her Twitter page, does that make me a Kliff-hanger?)

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (7ObY1)

252 The only way he can achieve orgasm is by stuffing a parrot up his ass?

I wonder if they're Macaws, African Grays or South American Green Parrots?

Posted by: Richard Gere at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (sH832)

253 227
Nothing makes me want to run to the nearest vending machine and down a
measure of ice cold whiskey quite like reading the twentysomethings at
Vox.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (uqV2n)


I studiously avoid Vox because there are no comments enabled. Having no option to call out any of the absurd donkeyshit they post it's just too much for my blood pressure.


Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (/Mxso)

254 "It does not ever seem to penetrate that if you tax the corporations
it just means that the costs are passed along to consumers and we pay
higher prices."




"Isn't Gruber actually admitting this in these tapes?"

That's the way I heard it. Followed by him basically indicting Kerry as a liar (tough, I know).

And then the SCOTUS confirmed it all, the Right is basically saying we told you so, and now the left is like "Ummm, does that mean we're stupid?? No, they're the stupid ones because Science! And Nuance!" and then they now seem to be showing just how stupid they can be.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (xSCb6)

255 What matters is what you learn AFTER you know everything.


As one of my colleagues in academia once sighed, "God how I'd like a job where I dealt with grownups."


Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 03:07 PM (oKE6c)


along the lines of "the more I know, the dumber I get."

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (NUCTk)

256 So did this Sarah Quiff person take her tweet down yet?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (xSCb6)

257 So infidels, what should our new alliance name be?
al ISIS?
Islamic Queda?
Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?

Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack


Y.W.R.A.I.F.Y.F.A.


Yes, We Really Are Islamic Fundamentalists, You Fcukng Assholes

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (QGgQ4)

258 Up his ass! Coohooo! Up his ass!

Posted by: harry reid's parrot at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (MtkQi)

259 Sarah Kliff is one of Gruber's Stupidistas. Along with most of the MSM

Posted by: George Orwell at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (1BQGO)

260 194
So infidels, what should our new alliance name be?

al ISIS?

Islamic Queda?

Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?

Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (WGcw3)

CAIR - Council on Arabian Islamic Relations

Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (sDapq)

261 228 Group Of Allied Terrorists or G.O.A.T.?



Posted by: Jihadi Group PR Hack at November 13, 2014 03:00 PM (WGcw3)

Son of a bitch. There goes my keyboard.


Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (/Mxso)


(licks pencil tip) Definitely goes in the book.
Posted by: Tangonine at November 13, 2014 03:05 PM (NUCTk)


Well fuck it. Does anyone know if O-Care glues or sews heads back on?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (+Fae7)

262 244 if Americans are woefully ignorant of civics and economics as Gruber says

THANK A TEACHER
's Union.

Might as well hit the $.

Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (R5qgD)

263
Nancy Pelosi says SHE HAS NO idea WHO Gruber is ????
..................
I think he might have been Hermann Goering's love child.

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (wAQA5)

264 THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!

Posted by: Pet Shop Customer at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (MMC8r)

265 Well fuck it. Does anyone know if O-Care glues or sews heads back on?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (+Fae7)


Neither. It allows for twice-previously-used scotch tape.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (kff5f)

266 This is your desk warning, for those so inclined. Conditions are favorable for Profanity Laced Rant formation.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (kff5f)


Allen. I knew you already saw this one coming. Don't ack (spelling intentional) surprised.

Same shit. New day.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (NUCTk)

267 Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:09 PM (NUCTk)


-----

.... nice to see you around....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (u+S6D)

268 "The drawback to blaming it on Heritage is that you should still have Massachussetts to show what a disaster it was."

During the so-called "debate" over Obamacare in Congress, the comments section at the local liberal fishwrap was full of moonbat claims of wonderfulness that was clearly refuted by the Romneycare experience.

I wore out my fingers trying in vain.

"Premiums will go down! Eleventy!"

(That's what was claimed in Assholechusetts. They went way up.)

"Inappropriate ER utilization will decrease!"

(Same claim. It *soared* in Assholechusetts.)

"Wait times will get shorter!"

(Same claim. Wait times got a whole lot longer in Assholechusetts.)

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 03:12 PM (noWW6)

269 There's a bill? I thought it was just Obama urging the FCC to reclassify ISPs as common carriers. In essence, more power grab by executive fiat. What am I missing?
Posted by: flounder

No, you're not missing anything -- I was just (jokingly_ comparing the Net Neutrality thing with the way ACA was passed. Now they've just dispensed with having deception bills at all, and henceforth will enact all political agendas via Presidential fiat.

Ah, nostalgia time: Who remembers the good ol' days when the Democrats merely would ram intentionally deception bills through Congress using bribery and threats? Good times, good times. Now they've already transitioned to pure dictatorship.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (K4YiS)

270 CAIR - Council on Arabian Islamic Relations
Posted by: flounder at November 13, 2014 03:10 PM (sDapq)

Heh. Nicely played.

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (Mv/2X)

271 Neither. It allows for twice-previously-used scotch tape.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (kff5f)

But only if the sticky side is at least 25% covered in pet fur, human hair, and/or pocket lint. Any less than 25% you can forget it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (4df7R)

272 Off damn italics!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (K4YiS)

273 I have no idea who this guy is!

*lays out letter written by Pelosi to Gruber congratulating him on Ocare work*

I didn't write that!

*lays out photo of Pelosi and Gruber laughing over lunch*

Anyone could doctor that up!

*lays out Christmas card signed by Pelosi to Jonathan Gruber*

...

*lays out video of Pelosi praising Gruber and saying, "He's like a son to me."

Fuck you!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (oFCZn)

274 >>Y.W.R.A.I.F.Y.F.A. - Yes, We Really Are Islamic Fundamentalists, You Fcukng Assholes

*snort*
As much as I like the "GOAT", this one YWRAIFYFA is a much better fit.

Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (ABcz/)

275 Barrel time zombie.

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (Mv/2X)

276 -

I'm supposed to sing "The Internationale" to his prostate.

Posted by: Polly at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (8GKDa)

277 nooooo
the barrel is going to get zombie!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe can throw better than Jay Cutler at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (w7ptZ)

278 Can't shut down the govt - remember how horrible the last one was when we ... won back control of the Senate and had a Republican wave sweep the nation ... so ... as you can see ... govt shutdowns are bad, bad, bad cause ... the media will, uh, say bad stuff about us.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif)

279 So has the IRS lowered the boom on this guy that is releasing these vids?

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (o2Jt2)

280 And one of the reasons (there were several) they pushed so fast to ram PP-Caca down our throats was that some citizens *were* reading the bill. They couldn't have *that*, so they had to rush the process (even more than they already were).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:06 PM (kff5f)


-----------------------------------------------


Yup. I believe Sarah Palin came up with "death panels" before it was passed. The news was getting out.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (oJNGo)

281 I think Pixy is intentionally deleting my "/"s just out of spite! I swear I typed that correctly!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (K4YiS)

282 *spreads arms* Come to me zombie.

Posted by: The Barrel at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (/Mxso)

283

.......all undead report to the barrel.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 03:15 PM (u+S6D)

284 Neither. It allows for twice-previously-used scotch tape.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:11 PM (kff5f)


Thanks, but is 5 year old duct tape that I used to fix my city issued trash can that they have yet to replace an equal substitute under the regulations?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at November 13, 2014 03:15 PM (+Fae7)

Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 13, 2014 03:15 PM (NUCTk)

286 I knew you already saw this one coming.

I *thought* they might at least wait until the new Congress had been sat to capitulate.

Why couldn't they at least wait until January to say, "no, go ahead, don't mind us?"

But, more importantly, Jeff Sessions just did come out to say he's willing to shut down the government to stop Executive Amnesty. So this is either proving that Jeff Sessions is a bought-and-paid-for member of the GOPe, or it's provoking (a stupid and unneeded) showdown within the Republican party.

I'm not surprised McConnell would do this, I'm upset that he'd come out at this time and in this manner to say so.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:15 PM (kff5f)

287 Yea, just watch the media jump all over this story and run with it.....Anytime now.......Going to be a dog with a bone moment yep, yep........anytime now....

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 03:15 PM (kQBSd)

288 Leonard Nimoy @TheRealNimoy
Mr. Gruber . To speak before engaging brain is illogical LLAP
13 Nov 2014

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (ZPrif)

289 Gotta love lake effect snow...can't see 20' in front of you and 10 minutes later, blue skys and sunny.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (o2Jt2)

290 naw. a missed "[i[" ain't all that bad.

Back in the day when we were living off dirt in a hut and had to walk uphill to school 80 miles fighting polar bears, here on AoS, I ctrl+c ctrl-v'd an entire ONT into one post.

In bold.

good times. good times.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (NUCTk)

291 279
So has the IRS lowered the boom on this guy that is releasing these vids?


Posted by: A dude in MI at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (o2Jt2)


That's for amateurs. This guy is going to accidentally get ebola.



Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (/Mxso)

292 Yup. I believe Sarah Palin came up with "death panels" before it was passed. The news was getting out.
Posted by: Soona


Sarah Palin did not originate the term "death panels." I distinctly remember seeing it repeatedly on conservative blogs in the weeks before Palin adopted the term -- much to everyone's delight. She popularized the term, but did not coin it.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (K4YiS)

293 Who is this Jon Gruber fellow causing all this kerfuffle?

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (sDapq)

294 heh

DrewMTips @DrewMTips
McConnel on executive amnesty:

I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum & I'm all out of...wait, just found another pack of gum! Nevermind.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:17 PM (ZPrif)

295 You don't think like a True Progressive Democrat.



He'd be wearing Marine Dress Blues Navy Dress White Chokers. With Rear Admiral (Lower Half) rank.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (XO6WW)


FIFY

Posted by: Country Singer at November 13, 2014 03:17 PM (8hctH)

296 277 nooooo
the barrel is going to get zombie!!!
Posted by: navycopjoe can throw better than Jay Cutler at November 13, 2014 03:13 PM (w7ptZ)


Have you seen some of the places Zombie has taken pictures?

The barrel is the Cayman Islands compared to those places.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at November 13, 2014 03:17 PM (+Fae7)

297 >>Yup. I believe Sarah Palin came up with "death panels" before it was passed. The news was getting out.

Betsy McCaughey, who carried around her tabbed and bookmarked copy in a big ol' binder to every interview. And she would quote sections of it to refute all of the various Dem lies.

But Palin won best sound bite distilling it's mendacity. She didn't get "Lie of the Year" for being a bimbo - they had to debunk it ASAP.

Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 03:18 PM (ABcz/)

298 244.... In the late 70'S a once sane CA passed Proposition 13. It was a continues to be a significant check on government.

I was in High School and the teachers went on strike to protest.

Woo-Hoo, I said...protest against The Man...free day off! Not so fast said my mom. She took the day off work, sat my brother and me down and we had a full day intro into economics. Pay stubs vs tax returns vs taxes vs more taxes vs more taxes. This conservative was born that day.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 13, 2014 03:18 PM (WtwaU)

299 "Even if Obama goes ahead w/immigration action, McConnell says: We will
not shut government down over it. Spending bill won't be held hostage"

Don't know why anyone would be surprised by this.

Back before the election, various people said, gee, if hypothetically the Republicans take the Senate, how does that change things?

I said, "It's going to look pretty much the way it does now. Except that there won't be a single crick up a holler in the backwoods of Kentucky that won't have a billion dollar federal dam plopped on top of it."

Mitch is basically an FDR Republican. Pork first and foremost.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 03:18 PM (noWW6)

300 281 I think Pixy is intentionally deleting my "/"s just out of spite! I swear I typed that correctly!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 03:14 PM (K4YiS)


Hee hee hee.... didn't you want to get rid of the main way I get company??? just yesterday???

I have friends in Pixy places....

Posted by: The Barrel... at November 13, 2014 03:18 PM (f0pWu)

301 The D'Allessandro family from Baltimore? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 03:18 PM (OD2ni)

302 Gotta love lake effect snow...can't see 20' in front of you and 10 minutes later, blue skys and sunny.
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (o2Jt2)

Nasty wreck involving semi trucks on W. I 94 this morning out west of Jackson.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (hjTr7)

303 -
To be fair that last government shutdown really hurt republicans chances... or something.

Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (8GKDa)

304 United Nation Committee May Question US Officials Over Handling Of Mike Brown Shooting



In a sane world wed tell the UN to shove it where the sun doesnt shine.

Weasel Zippers

What's a normal world?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (M0mf2)

305 I think zombie likes the barrel when you think of how many times he goes there.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (hLRSq)

306 Barrel's gettin' a lotta action today.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (xSCb6)

307 295 You don't think like a True Progressive Democrat.



He'd be wearing Marine Dress Blues Navy Dress White Chokers. With Rear Admiral (Lower Half) rank. and ass-less chaps!

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (XO6WW)

FIFY
Posted by: Country Singer at November 13, 2014 03:17 PM (8hctH)


FIFY

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2014 03:20 PM (TETYm)

308 OT - The latest Twitter stupid from Typhoid Mary Landrieu: "I am proud that in three hours I moved the Senate Dems, the Senate Rs, and the Rep. leadership in the House to vote on KXL Tuesday."


As I saw someone tweet in response, sure, you got it to the floor in three hours. So why don't you explain why you didn't do jack shit about it the last six years?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:20 PM (4df7R)

309 Have you seen some of the places Zombie has taken pictures?



The barrel is the Cayman Islands compared to those places.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at November 13, 2014 03:17 PM (+Fae7)


The naked bike ride in SF layout haunts me in my dreams to this day.

So come to think of it, Z: off to the barrel!

(SLAM! click)

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (NUCTk)

310 it doesn't matter what comes to light, if the media won't report it it never happened.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (U+1Sl)

311 Nancy Pelosi is the world's greatest living proof of reincarnation. Because there's no way a person can get that stupid in just one lifetime.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (iIzG7)

312 >>United Nation Committee May Question US Officials Over Handling Of Mike Brown Shooting

What is it with the African-American community wanting to get the UN involved with everything? They did this with Trayvon, and the NAACP has been trying for years to get the UN involved in our elections - to make sure there's no "voter suppression", etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (ABcz/)

313 Welcome back, Tangonine.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (/Ho8c)

314 It seems Mitchy Mac has announced the end of the honeymoon.


Storm's comin'.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:22 PM (xSCb6)

315 Barrel's gettin' a lotta action today.


Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (xSCb6)


oh, such low hanging fruit....

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:22 PM (NUCTk)

316 I'm not surprised McConnell would do this, I'm upset that he'd come out at this time and in this manner to say so.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:15 PM (kff5f)

They broke the system.... hell... they won't even try to USE the checks and balances the Constitution gives them.

But they don't realize, the only thing saving them, from us, is the rule of law...

the same rule of law they are in the process of destroying.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 03:22 PM (f0pWu)

317 T9 you home or just checking in before bed time

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 03:22 PM (zOTsN)

318 306
Barrel's gettin' a lotta action today.


Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:19 PM (xSCb6)


*smokes a cigarette as it wobbles away*

Posted by: The Barrel at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (/Mxso)

319 ObamaCare gives everyone a number and takes away your name.

Posted by: Secret Agent Jons Gruber at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (LISuA)

320 "Typhoid Mary Landrieu: "I am proud that in three hours I moved the
Senate Dems, the Senate Rs, and the Rep. leadership in the House to vote
on KXL Tuesday."



Somebody needs to let Seth McFarlane know.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (xSCb6)

321 >>The naked bike ride in SF layout haunts me in my dreams to this day.

The Folsom Street fair is the one that haunts me....*dry heaves*

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (ABcz/)

322
Barrel time zombie.

Zombie, use the Beth Defense I told you about yesterday.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (JtwS4)

323 You conservatives are such liars. This is all supplied by the president from his stash of money. Now go away and bother someone else.

Posted by: Entered from my obama phone at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (WNERA)

324 Welcome back, Tangonine.


Posted by: T. Jeff at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (/Ho8c)


Appreciate the huggy hug, but won't be really back until march.

Just ninja posting on a break. Try to roll in every 2 or 3 weeks to ensure no one's gone sane on me.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (NUCTk)

325 Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:21 PM (ABcz/)

Well.... shooting a special snowflake while he is committing crimes in the US, is now Torture...

While crucifying Christians in Syria??? just another day in the Mid East...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 03:24 PM (f0pWu)

326 Now I believe in what you say
Is the undisputed truth
But I have to have things my own way
To keep me in my youth

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 03:24 PM (XUKZU)

327 "The naked bike ride in SF layout haunts me in my dreams to this day."


And not the public scrotal inflation??

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:24 PM (xSCb6)

328 On other happy news, the 12 Muslim thugs who roughed up our sailors in Turkey have been let free without charges

Im so glad we have a muzzie twat for a president..

Posted by: Mr. Tibbs at November 13, 2014 03:25 PM (mndtc)

329
"The naked bike ride in SF layout haunts me in my dreams to this day."


And not the public scrotal inflation??


Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:24 PM (xSCb6)/i]

I imagine riding a bike naked will lead to scrotal inflation, too.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:25 PM (4df7R)

330 Sarah Palin did not originate the term "death panels." I distinctly remember seeing it repeatedly on conservative blogs in the weeks before Palin adopted the term -- much to everyone's delight. She popularized the term, but did not coin it.
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 03:16 PM (K4YiS)


-----------------------------------------


I'll believe you. But the point was that the bill was being scrutinized prior to it passing. And the dems knew if people became even halfway informed, they'd lose the battle. Therefore -- a Christmas Eve reconcilliation vote.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 03:26 PM (oJNGo)

331 Zombie, use the Beth Defense I told you about yesterday.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (JtwS4)

----

You mean "flash em your tits??"

Zombies a ...... GIRRRRRRL????

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 03:26 PM (u+S6D)

332 >>While crucifying Christians in Syria??? just another day in the Mid East...

Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, Nigeria......It's a frickin genocide.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:26 PM (ABcz/)

333 He got $400,000!?! Really? WTF?

-
That's what a soul goes for these days? Of course, his has never been used.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 03:27 PM (XUKZU)

334 302 Gotta love lake effect snow...


And I have to drive WAY out into the country after work.

Yikes.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:27 PM (7ObY1)

335 Well.... shooting a special snowflake while he is committing crimes in the US, is now Torture...


Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 03:24 PM (f0pWu)


I think it specifically states in the UN charter that young men are allowed at least fourteen shots from their sandwich before law enforcement is allowed to respond.

Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 03:27 PM (/Mxso)

336 T9 you home or just checking in before bed time

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 03:22 PM (zOTsN)


I'm +6 or +8 (depending on the day and you time zone) I'm rested, fresh and.... aw fuck it: I'm tired.

BUT still have an hour or two to give.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:27 PM (NUCTk)

337 319 ObamaCare gives everyone a number and takes away your name.
Posted by: Secret Agent Jons Gruber at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (LISuA)


"I am not a number. I am a free man!"

(**maniacal cackle from the NEW #2)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:27 PM (CMkNk)

338
Just ninja posting on a break.

I join in the Horde Hug (bro hug, approved nonsexual version).

I never got the context. Did you deploy? What's this a ninja break from?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 13, 2014 03:27 PM (JtwS4)

339 To Gruber, a new verb. like he grubered when he took $400,000 to construct a plan that would only work if he lied to those for who the plan was meant for.

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (w+5ie)

340 321 >>The naked bike ride in SF layout haunts me in my dreams to this day.
The Folsom Street fair is the one that haunts me....*dry heaves*
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:23 PM (ABcz/)




The very worst was "Up Your Alley."

NTTAWWT. It's just another lifestyle, equally valid, healthy, admirable even. Should be encouraged.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (oKE6c)

341 Stay safe then, T9.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (/Ho8c)

342 Nice to hear from you t9. Take care of yourself

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (zOTsN)

343 How do these people get their fifteen minutes of fame in front of the UN?
I mean, who gets this stuff scheduled...
Now that I think about it, our representative to the UN is..oh that's right Samantha Power.

Explains a lot.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (hjTr7)

344
Going forward, the point should be made not what ELSE have the Democrats lied about, but what HAVEN'T they lied about?


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (CMkNk)

345 I imagine riding a bike naked will lead to scrotal inflation, too.


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:25 PM (4df7R)


Pro-tip: never buy a used bike seat in SF or Berkely.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (NUCTk)

346 Guy on this week's Naked and Afraid affectionately called duct tape "the hillbilly tool box."

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (7ObY1)

347
Gruber = Ponzi + Eichmann

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (CMkNk)

348 I just got Grubered out of some of my overtime.

Off to rattle the boss's cage...

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (7ObY1)

349 McConnell says: We will not shut government down over it. Spending bill won't be held hostage

But we Americans and the GOPe are totally on the same side.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (A6vWB)

350 Try to roll in every 2 or 3 weeks to ensure no one's gone sane on me.




Such a lack of faith.....

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (g2T/X)

351 I don't blame McConnell for not wanting to risk closing down the government. Think of how it could affect elections in 2016 if Chris Christie is the nominee.

Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (bJm7W)

352 I love Gruber's paper trail. I doubt this will stop obamacare right now, but maybe later.

Posted by: Draki at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (0eidE)

353 In 2009 i had Nancy and Gruber for a pool party. they wee in the hot tub of over an hour.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (WGm5T)

354 In other words, the Dems weren't "exploiting" the "stupidity" of the
American voter, but rather the American voter's lack of desire or
opportunity to read a 2000 page piece of legislation written by lawyers
and lobbyists.

In that regard, the American voter and their members of Congress are exactly the same.
=============
Don't forget: It was Republicans who gave consent rather than require that the whole bill be read.

I can't remember what glass beads Chief Mee-chum Muh-Chonel trade for that but "what a deal!"

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (VjL9S)

355 Pro-tip: never buy a used bike seat in SF or Berkely.
Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (NUCTk)I didn't think bike seats were used in SF or Berkley.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 03:30 PM (kQBSd)

356 346 Guy on this week's Naked and Afraid affectionately called duct tape "the hillbilly tool box."

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (7ObY1)


I seem to recall duct tape as the ever present theme on a weird Canadian comedy program called "The Red Green Show" from the mid 80's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:31 PM (CMkNk)

357 Pro-tip: never buy a used bike seat in SF or Berkely.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:29 PM (NUCTk)



What? I get the best deals on used bikes from SF! I do a sniff test on the seats before I commit too.

Posted by: Jharles Chonson at November 13, 2014 03:31 PM (GQ8sn)

358 Nice to hear from you t9. Take care of yourself

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (zOTsN)


miss you squirrels, too. It's an easy gig and don't involve explosions or shootin (wish it did!).

Just payin the bills.

Craving Pizza Hut like you would not believe, though.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:31 PM (NUCTk)

359 >>How do these people get their fifteen minutes of fame in front of the UN?

Obama. ValJar was the one coordinating the local mayor, police chief, governor, and made sure 3(?) WH representatives attended the funeral. I imagine other groups like NAACP are supporting/promoting the Browns as well.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 03:31 PM (ABcz/)

360 I didn't think bike seats were used in SF or Berkley.
Posted by: wrg500



Just the post.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 03:31 PM (g2T/X)

361 I knew that bill was a POS and kept calling all senators and reps,not only my moonbats.

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (sj3Ax)

362 Whaaaaat? Did Gruber walk away from all of those college lectures telling himself "I really hit that one out of the park"?

Posted by: elliot m at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (vPhnb)

363 So they admit that he was "mostly numbers crucnhing".

So crunching the "fake numbers" because as he said they had to mislead the CBO so that the CBO would not score it correctly.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (RJMhd)

364 I seem to recall duct tape as the ever present theme on a weird Canadian comedy program called "The Red Green Show" from the mid 80's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:31 PM (CMkNk)



Hehehehe....Red Green was awesome!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (GQ8sn)

365 While the UN was sympathetic to the fact that their son had been shot, they basically said "This is merely a blip on our radar screen." In other words they were shot down. Now they'll (the activists) will just have to further destroy Ferguson to get their point across about senseless violence.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (QlprU)

366 Bike SEATS?

Never use 'em.

Why deny myself the pleasure?



Posted by: Andi Sullivan at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (7ObY1)

367
Even if it stops or severely impedes Obamacare, millions of wetbacks are about to become new Democrat voters.

And ain't nothing on G-d's green earth that can reverse that, let alone stop it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (CMkNk)

368 Eh, not the best...but it's an attempt.
Group Of Allied Terrorists Fearing Unrestrained Cooter, Killing Everyone Relatively Sane.

Posted by: G.O.A.T.F.U.C.K.E.R.S. at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (87y4e)

369 public scrotal inflation??
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 03:24 PM


Dude....three words that should never be used in conjunction.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (knoK7)

370 339 To Gruber, a new verb. like he grubered when he took $400,000 to construct a plan that would only work if he lied to those for who the plan was meant for.
Posted by: Buffalobob at November 13, 2014 03:28 PM (w+5ie)

I like it.

2, to brag about confusing people by using lies and/or misdirection
He grubered so much the caught himself smiling at his own brilliance.

Posted by: Entered from my obama phone at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (WNERA)

371 why do I keep thinking "HANZ GRUBER!"

I'm forgetting the reference...

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (NUCTk)

372
Hehehehe....Red Green was awesome!

If you can't fix it duct it.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (kQBSd)

373 364 Hehehehe....Red Green was awesome!
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (GQ8sn)

It was syndicated on 2nd tier PBS stations, like WLIW on Long Island, as I recall. Strange but funny.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (CMkNk)

374 I'm forgetting the reference...

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (NUCTk)



I'm Clay.


Bill Clay.

Posted by: Bill Clay at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (GQ8sn)

375 I'm forgetting the reference...

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (NUCTk)


Die Hard.

Hans Gruber (played by Alan Rickman) was the main bad guy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (kff5f)

376 Pelosi's office now said that she meant she didn't know him personally but she has heard of him...hilarious

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (6/J77)

377
***ring***
***ring***
***ring***

Hello, Grand Canyon Tours..... how can I help you.

Id' like to speak to Miss Cliff if I could.... first name Sarah.

Hold on..... "Is Sarah Kliff Here???? Is Sarah Kliff neraby??? Is Sarah Kliff available."

**giggle**

**click**

Posted by: When Democrats Prank Call at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (u+S6D)

378 371 why do I keep thinking "HANZ GRUBER!"

I'm forgetting the reference...
Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (NUCTk)


"Die Hard." But for me, I keep thinking Carl "Pinky Gruber" Ballantine from "McHale's Navy."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (CMkNk)

379 with a name like "Gruber" shouldn't he be filling up cans labeled with skulls and crossbones?

Oh... wait.... He pretty much did.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (NUCTk)

380 Scrotal inflation ? Isn't that the story of Obama ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 03:35 PM (6/J77)

381 373 364 Hehehehe....Red Green was awesome!
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (GQ8sn)

It was syndicated on 2nd tier PBS stations, like WLIW on Long Island, as I recall. Strange but funny.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014

Red Green rocks.
Episodes are on You Tube.

Strange? Perhaps to a New Yorker like you JJ. But not to your Wisconsin in laws.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:35 PM (/GgDU)

382 Some Repubs clearly want Obama to do the amnesty.
Their logic is that it's gonna happen eventually anyway, this way Obama takes all the blame.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:35 PM (ZPrif)

383 Never use 'em.

Why deny myself the pleasure?



Posted by: Andi Sullivan at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM (7ObY1)

----

Spin em around **backwards**

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (u+S6D)

384 375 I'm forgetting the reference...

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:33 PM (NUCTk)

Die Hard.

Hans Gruber (played by Alan Rickman) was the main bad guy.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (kff5f)




I swear. We laugh at this fumbling and dissembling, but it's not a far leap from the head Nazis in the dock at Nuremburg.

Same mindset. Chilling.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (CMkNk)

385 The GOPe wants you rabble to quiet down and eat your shit sandwiches silently.

The GOPe is radicalizing the voters.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (mR7Es)

386 Blue on blue. They are singing to themselves.



John Mellencamp:

Crumbling Down

Some people ain't no damn good
You can't trust 'em, you can't love em
No good deed goes unpunished


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PErUiAyVoGc

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (IXrOn)

387
Posted by: When Democrats Prank Call at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (u+S6D)

well done

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (6/J77)

388
You pussies aren't flogging T9 for missing a Die Hard reference?

Y'all get soft when you miss somebody.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (JtwS4)

389 My f-i-l looks like he could be Red Green's twin brother.

And acts like it, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (kff5f)

390 Re; the clip of GRUBER explaining the Cadillac plan tax... how they don't tax the "plans", they tax the insurance companies and "it gets passed down"... I would like to hear, when Gruber is called before some committee to explain how the corporate income tax works EXACTLY the same way... Econ 101 is hard for Progressives.

Posted by: Yip at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (84SRe)

391 381 Strange? Perhaps to a New Yorker like you JJ. But not to your Wisconsin in laws.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:35 PM (/GgDU)


It was sort of a Canuck/Scandi version of Hee-Haw. NTTAWWT at all!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (CMkNk)

392 Die Hard.



Hans Gruber (played by Alan Rickman) was the main bad guy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:34 PM (kff5f)


Hah! Yes! Ok... time to rifle through the DVD library here to see if any of these clowns brought a copy over.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (NUCTk)

393 This doesn't surprise me. I never did think Goober was as smart as Gomer.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (XUKZU)

394 I can't remember what glass beads Chief Mee-chum Muh-Chonel trade for that but "what a deal!"

I think it was a vote on increasing the debt limit that occurred the day of the following state of the union drivel.

Which basically no one covered.

I don't *think* even ace bothered, but I don't feel like checking.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (A6vWB)

395 Hah! Yes! Ok... time to rifle through the DVD library here to see if any of these clowns brought a copy over.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (NUCTk)




Shoot. The. Glass.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (GQ8sn)

396 I swear I read somewhere that the Dems would have Gruber do the math modeling --or something like that because he could do it--

"Overnight!" when the CBO would take at least a week.

Ghee--ya think!?

Gruber admits he pulled the wool over CBO's eyes with how he wrote the law in a manner to hinder CBO's scoring--but Gruber can get it done --overnight--might be because he was pulling it out of his---er,--hat.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (RJMhd)

397
All this is well and good and schadenbonery, but what does it do to STOP any of this let alone reverse the 100 year trajectory towards the mass "gruber" mein late jungen?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:38 PM (CMkNk)

398 389 My f-i-l looks like he could be Red Green's twin brother.

And acts like it, too.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at Nov

Then you should know the Man's Prayer,

I'm a man
But I can change
If I have too
I guess.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:38 PM (/GgDU)

399 You pussies aren't flogging T9 for missing a Die Hard reference?

Y'all get soft when you miss somebody.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (JtwS4)


It was oh-so familiar, but; yes, I deserve a solid beating for forgetting it. Just not the face or the junk.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:38 PM (NUCTk)

400
late = alte

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:38 PM (CMkNk)

401 It appears Kilff ran her Prius into a block wall and the air bag didn't deploy. She needs to get to a plastic surgeon stat.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 13, 2014 03:39 PM (XzRw1)

402 Their logic is that it's gonna happen eventually anyway, this way Obama takes all the blame.

Problem with that "logic" is that it won't work that way. Fresh off the bloodbath of this election, what Republicans should be saying is "Nope, nothing is happening until the new Republican Senators have been seated."

So if TFG does something and the Republicans don't do something substantive in response, it will be seen as the Republicans agreeing with the SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 03:39 PM (kff5f)

403
Now they'll (the activists) will just have to further destroy Ferguson to get their point across about senseless violence.

i think thats exactly what the U.N. was telling them to do

Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 03:39 PM (lKyWE)

404
Hah! Yes! Ok... time to rifle through the DVD library here to see if any of these clowns brought a copy over.
Posted by: TangoNine at Novembe

Straw Man.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:39 PM (/GgDU)

405 It was oh-so familiar, but; yes, I deserve a solid beating for forgetting it. Just not the face or the junk.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:38 PM (NUCTk)




Ready the Nut Puncher2000!!!


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:39 PM (GQ8sn)

406 I can't remember what glass beads Chief Mee-chum Muh-Chonel trade for that but "what a deal!"

-
Similar to Negotiating Barack's deal with the Chicoms.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 03:40 PM (XUKZU)

407 Gruber knew the way the CBO scored shit and used their metrics against them. Also somehow the Donks got it baked in the cake with the CBO somehow comparing income of 10 years versus 3 years of payout for their score....
land grab, land grab ( fingers book ) see snatch

Posted by: Yip at November 13, 2014 03:40 PM (84SRe)

408 Strange? Perhaps to a New Yorker like you JJ. But not to your Wisconsin in laws.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:35 PM (/GgDU)


I ADORE "Red Green." So quotable. Hilarious!
And yeah, maybe a city slicker would think it was odd, but to a NH-ite like me, the omnipresent sound of chainsaws and/or gunfire in the background during the credit sequence and skit bumps is nostalgic of my childhood.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 03:40 PM (4df7R)

409 Hah! Yes! Ok... time to rifle through the DVD library here to see if any of these clowns brought a copy over.

Posted by: TangoNine at Novembe



Straw Man.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 03:39 PM (/GgDU)


The Nicholas Cage movie?

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (NUCTk)

410

ot: anyone know what was wrong with Mama's car?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (IXrOn)

411 Ha, the CNN search on Gruber is funny. The first article talks about the 3rd video come out. I guess they missed all the breaking news for the U2 plane mishap.

Posted by: Draki at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (0eidE)

412 The 9th circus court has denied gun control groups and the state of CA from acting as intervenors , asking for an en banc review of the court's decision to strike down CA's restrictive may issue cc laws.

The ruling will stand as is. CA may issue law is unconstitutuional and must be reworked to allow for more CC permits to be issued to the common citizen.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (hjTr7)

413 schiessen das hipster

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)

414 Do transparent lies count as transparency?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (AkoL+)

415 ot: anyone know what was wrong with Mama's car?

----

Wouldn't start.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (u+S6D)

416 So, what, did Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones get sent around to visit everyone about this or what?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (mf5HN)

417 I wonder how Gruber's interview with Jake Tapper on CNN went in 2013.....

Posted by: Draki at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (0eidE)

418 Hehehehe....Red Green was awesome!
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:32 PM
(GQ8sn)


It was syndicated on 2nd tier PBS stations, like WLIW on Long Island, as I recall. Strange but funny.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton



Canadian version of Tool Time.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (g2T/X)

419 ot: anyone know what was wrong with Mama's car?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (IXrOn)



Battery.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (GQ8sn)

420 The typical American voter is like a young primate who inspects her younger sibling's hoohah for pebbles.

Posted by: Voxplanation Take #2 at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (dVmLD)

421 396 Gruber admits he pulled the wool over CBO's eyes with how he wrote the law in a manner to hinder CBO's scoring--but Gruber can get it done --overnight--might be because he was pulling it out of his---er,--hat.
Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 13, 2014 03:37 PM (RJMhd)


This law was written a long time ago and it's been sitting in a drawer somewhere just waiting for the right circumstances. What they were all cramming and fumbling over were all the tweaks and edits to bring it up to modern times.

Hence all the errors like the lack of a severability clause.

These evil cockroaches plot and wait and wait and plot until they can do the damage, for which the GOP never undoes but merely "manages better."

This. Must. End. Soon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:43 PM (CMkNk)

422 Smart of whoever was releasing the Gruber vids to pull an O'Keefe and drip them out over days, baiting Dems into various lies and defensive statements.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:43 PM (ZPrif)

423 This doesn't surprise me. I never did think Goober was as smart as Gomer.

Judy Judy Judy

Posted by: Gruber Pyle at November 13, 2014 03:43 PM (W5DcG)

424 420 The typical American voter is like a young primate who inspects her younger sibling's hoohah for pebbles.
Posted by: Voxplanation Take #2 at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (dVmLD)

What if instead they found Bam Bam?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:43 PM (CMkNk)

425 Smart of whoever was releasing the Gruber vids to pull an O'Keefe and drip them out over days, baiting Dems into various lies and defensive statements.

----

Would have been smarter if they came out two weeks *before* the election.....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 03:44 PM (u+S6D)

426 414 Do transparent lies count as transparency?
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2014 03:42 PM (AkoL+)


Most transparently fraudulent and evil group of thugs, ever.

So, okay. Yes it does.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 03:44 PM (CMkNk)

427 McConnell and Boehner need to go on records with what, specifically and exactly, they are going to do to stop Obama's Amnesty.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:45 PM (ZPrif)

428 The ruling will stand as is. CA may issue law is
unconstitutuional and must be reworked to
allow for more CC permits to be issued to the
common citizen.



Gunfights in da streetz!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 03:45 PM (g2T/X)

429 @422.. The drip, drip, drip is genius.. so delicious.

Posted by: Yip at November 13, 2014 03:45 PM (84SRe)

430 CNN only started covering this, somewhat, on the third day when it couldn't be ignored anymore and Pelosi was denying she'd ever heard of Gruber.

If it came out all on day one they'd have ignored the whole thing.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:47 PM (ZPrif)

431 427
McConnell and Boehner need to go on records with what, specifically and exactly, they are going to do to stop Obama's Amnesty.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 03:45 PM (ZPrif)

What do...cheap tent, bad hand of cards, a bad suit, and certain types of chairs have in common?

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 13, 2014 03:47 PM (o2Jt2)

432 The 9th circus court has denied gun control groups
and the state of CA from acting as intervenors , asking for an en banc
review of the court's decision to strike down CA's restrictive may issue
cc laws.



The ruling will stand as is. CA may issue law is unconstitutuional
and must be reworked to allow for more CC permits to be issued to the
common citizen.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 03:41 PM (hjTr7)


Wow. That's unexpected. Why do I feel like we've suddenly, as a nation, started waking up from being clubbed in the head for the last 20 years?

However, I did see a FOX news reporter try to get a CC permit in DC (on camera) and she said,

"Uhhhkay... 2d amendement? Right to keep and bear?"

and the half-wit gubment employee replied (no shit):

"that was for 'when the british were coming'"

Hey but good news is good news so woohoo CA: all is not lost.

Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:48 PM (NUCTk)

433
Smart of whoever was releasing the Gruber vids to pull an O'Keefe and drip them out over days, baiting Dems into various lies and defensive statements.


What everrrrrrr. How about something important. Who is going to win the Voice?

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 03:48 PM (kQBSd)

434
The 9th circus court has denied gun control groups and the state of CA from acting as intervenors, asking for an en banc review of the court's decision to strike down CA's restrictive may issue cc laws.

It's a Veteran's Day Miracle.


I sent the Santa Clara County Sheriff an e-mail about that last night, suggesting a 2:00PM appoint tomorrow to complete things. No response yet.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 13, 2014 03:50 PM (FlRtG)

435 nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 03:52 PM (g2T/X)

436 The GOPe wants you rabble to quiet down and eat your shit sandwiches silently.

The GOPe is radicalizing the voters.

Posted by: eman at November 13, 2014 03:36 PM (mR7Es)

But, unlike Democrat ones, GOPe shit sandwiches have electrolytes!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 13, 2014 03:53 PM (l1zOH)

437 Yeah, the drip drip strategy was smart to catch pelosi saying something dumb, but who is going to hold her feet to the fire? I doubt anyone who voted for her will care. They won't care till their economy and healthcare sucks more.

Posted by: Draki at November 13, 2014 03:54 PM (0eidE)

438 CNN only started covering

-
Well, there's another dozen people who know about the story.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 03:54 PM (XUKZU)

439 "that was for 'when the british were coming'"

Hey but good news is good news so woohoo CA: all is not lost.
Posted by: TangoNine at November 13, 2014 03:48 PM (NUCTk)

-----

how ironic..... I'd wager a years salary that the halfwit gubmint employee is TOTALLY unaware that the *reason* the British were coming that night was to disarm the Americans....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 03:55 PM (u+S6D)

440
Jen - two corrections re CA concealed carry case (guess that would be "CACCC"!). One, 9th Circuit may still re-hear Peruta case (case in question), and has already been petitioned to hear appeal on two other cases that incorporated Peruta decision, thus opening up chance that Peruta will be reversed in the course of those appeals (this also leaves out possible upward appeal of all these cases to SCOTUS). Two, Peruta case didn't challenge constitutionality of CA statute, but instead constitutionality of San Diego County application of same (basically, definition of "good cause" to carry).

So - as I said in last night's ONT comments, be careful of spiking the ball on the 5 yard line. I believe that's what we'd be doing if we assume Peruta (good decision) is over.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 04:00 PM (afQnV)

441 427
McConnell and Boehner need to go on records with what, specifically and exactly, they are going to do to stop Obama's Amnesty.

#twoweeks

Posted by: McConnell & Boehner LLC at November 13, 2014 04:19 PM (XzRw1)

442 396 421 Remember the CBO could only score ten years, so they had ten years of tax income (medical devices, tanning salons, etc.) and seven years of expenditures (subsidies) to make it balance.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 04:22 PM (5f5bM)

443
This law was written a long time ago and it's been sitting in a drawer somewhere just waiting for the right circumstances.

********

J.J.--agree with that 100%

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 13, 2014 04:24 PM (RJMhd)

444 442 396 421 Remember the CBO could only score ten years, so they had ten years of tax income (medical devices, tanning salons, etc.) and seven years of expenditures (subsidies) to make it balance.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 04:22 PM (5f5bM)

********

Damn it the thread is dead--but I seem to remember that CBO said at one point that they gave up on scoring the damn thing.

IIRC

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 13, 2014 04:27 PM (RJMhd)

445 Late to the game but, Jesus Christ!
Fcuk these fcuking fcuks!

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at November 13, 2014 04:52 PM (PCof0)

446 Obama also has a bunch of parrots, the drive by news media.

Posted by: Jerry L at November 17, 2014 04:07 PM (PNpH4)

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