Guy Who Keeps Finding Jon Gruber Videos: There's Worse Coming Today

The media's going to have an Embargo Party.

Posted by: Ace at 01:14 PM




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1 Bob Beckel might implode?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2014 01:14 PM (M0mf2)

2 I can't wait for this one.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (9LuAk)

3 ObamaCare causes genital warts.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (MMC8r)

4 Oh my

Posted by: RUReadingthis at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (1xtIS)

5 Keep those hits coming!!!

Posted by: The mayor of candor at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (JT2ZF)

6 So we can chop up boxes of embargo and throw them overboard!?!?

I'm in!

Posted by: Adriane the History Critic ... at November 13, 2014 01:15 PM (P+IZm)

7 ObamaCare killed Kennedy.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:16 PM (MMC8r)

8 Feeling better?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 01:16 PM (g1DWB)

9 ObamaCare shot Michael Brown.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)

10 Just waiting on a (lack of) White House response...

I feel that schadenboner coming back again.

Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (R5qgD)

11 I'm sure BuzzFeed and Vox will along come along soon to tell us why knowing about these Gruber videos means we're racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (JpC1K)

12 So sorry, Nancy. How about some lovely parting gifts?


@NancyPelosi in 2009: "I don't know if you have seen Jonathan Gruber of MIT's analysis ..." http://cs.pn/1pVO9mY

via @cspanJeremy @jtinfo @AndrewKirell

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (QGgQ4)

13 Maybe he used to be Schicklegruber?

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (wWs6x)

14 ObamaCare will resurrect Hitler.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)

15 When it comes, can we be a little less Reasonable/Restrained? This is GRUBER we are talking about.

Posted by: AMDG at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (eFytx)

16
What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1/!!!?1?!1!?!?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (HSmrB)

17 1 Bob Beckel might implode?
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Yuck, hate to be the Mop Boy on the set of The 5.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (/GgDU)

18 Wow. Hooray for citizen journalism! Out with the old media! No more propaganda!

Posted by: Nonapod at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (CLP9I)

19 Corgis have been summoned.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (g2T/X)

20 I'll wait to see what it is before determing that it is worse than what has previously seen. The Breitbart folks have overhyped a lot of videos - I know he is not breitbart.

Posted by: SH at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (gmeXX)

21 Amazing that every time some new felonious/America-hating/unconstitutional act from Choom Boy is either happening or about to happen, some pipsqueak, bottom-of-the-barrel, more-or-less anonymous person is set up to become the "conservative" media's fresh punching bag.

And it works, every time and without fail.

Squirrels and Shiny Stuff FTW!

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (PoKIA)

22 repost


Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.

wapo

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (IXrOn)

23 If a Liberal calls American voters stupid, and there's no media willing to make it a matter of public record...

...did the air really pass from his lungs, through his vocal chords, and out his lips?

Posted by: Fringe at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (oWl4T)

24 At this point it doesn't matter. The law was rammed down our throats. It is unconstitutional as hell but traitor Roberts said it was OK.


And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (u9gzs)

25 I like these tactics, kind of like James O'Keefe and his staggered release of damning videos.

Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (/Mxso)

26 Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

http://youtu.be/5NNOrp_83RU

Posted by: ABCCBSNBCCNNPMSDNCNYTWaPoEtAl at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (cL79m)

27
One would think the press would be a little bit miffed that their party is making them look like fools, after all, the press had staff who looked into the POS bill for months, and then they refused to cover it in deference to their party.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (ZkzmI)

28 ObamaCare will pay Lena Dunham to babysit your kids.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (MMC8r)

29

Yup, embargo-palooza!

Woohooo!

(repost)

Last night Bill O'Reilly covered how the media is NOT reporting on the Gruber admittance. He runs down the networks. "No coverage" at all from the majority. Otherwise, seconds.

Holy cow.

http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=610&vid=-751060910443461467


O'Reilly also hammers Howard Kurtz for his role in bias from when he worked at the WaPo. Ouch.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (IXrOn)

30 Just a lowly consultant, nothing to see here, move along....

Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (ABcz/)

31 repost

Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.

wapo

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (IXrOn)


So I shouldn't have included the WaPo in my Presstitute Organ sock?

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (cL79m)

32 Dammit! Why does Gruber have to be a straight white male!!

-MSM

Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (fWAjv)

33 Give this guy a medal. Present it right there at the Kennedy Center where Tina Fey and Warren Buffet got theirs.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (l3vZN)

34 Criminal Conspiracy.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (1hXm1)

35 WH has already distanced themselves from Gruber saying they don't believe what he has said to be true. Even Pelosi denies having any knowledge of the guy and that's complete BS also. They'll get away with it, like always.

Two more years of doubling down on all this crap and going even further left.

Yay

Posted by: texas t at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (gmQC3)

36 GRUBER GRUBER GRUBER GRUBER GRUBER
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Posted by: Total Journalist! at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (EQcfE)

37 There was hilarious Guess That Party @ the AP when Gov. Beebe pardoned the fruit of his loins in Arkansas this week.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (FdlTq)

38 Can we get a mulligan on the VA senate race?

Posted by: VA Gator at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (ZZiTD)

39 My premium, received after the mid-terms, went up 33%. Fewer choices, higher premium. Thanks Obama.

Posted by: ejo at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (rsGj7)

40 I think the next video will be Gruber actually shooting a stupid coke-addicted hipster.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (oJNGo)

41 Obama will have a lot more flexibility once he is free of the shackles the GOP has put him in.

Posted by: Arguile the Sock at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (vy/Wl)

42 According to Levin this guy used to work for Romney.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (Cdl5U)

43
Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.


I don't think Nancy Pelosi knows who Nancy Pelosi is half the time.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

44 Amazing what someone doing the job of a "journalist" can do.




We should get us some of those. Maybe pay them right out of the RNC budget or something. It's not like they are using the money for anything useful or anything.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (txvbW)

45 And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (u9gzs)


In fact, my money is on, when SCOTUS declares the federal exchange subsidy unconstitutional (though pointedly not the tax based on its existence), the GOP will expand PlaceboCare to explicitly include a federal exchange subsidy.

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (cL79m)

46 Say it a couple more times, Nancy.

Posted by: simon peter at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (FdlTq)

47 This goes to legislative intent. Giving a lot of material for repeal and appeal. If he just kept his mouth shut.


Pride goeth before a fall. Hubris and contempt. Nobody likes it

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (jr5+1)

48 The EPA will fine him for catching under-sized grubers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (7MWCL)

49 24 At this point it doesn't matter. The law was rammed down our throats. It is unconstitutional as hell but traitor Roberts said it was OK.


And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.
Posted by: Vic at Novembe

Once again Vic is spot on. Unfortunately, but it is what it is.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (/GgDU)

50 Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009.

wapo

Rats, ship.

To steal a phrase: some disassembly required.

Posted by: tbodie at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (YE6fT)

51 Man, he's going to be peeved when they deliver the IRS notice of investigation to Fort Marcy Park.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (mf5HN)

52 Has Boorak read about this yet?

Posted by: fly gal at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (8TdcF)

53 If true, at this point I'd have to say Gruber was a GOP mole.

Posted by: MacGruber at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (S+el1)

54 If a Liberal calls American voters stupid, and there's no media willing to make it a matter of public record... ...did the air really pass from his lungs, through his vocal chords, and out his lips ass?



Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (g2T/X)

55 ObamaCare will pay Lena Dunham to babysit your kids.

Posted by: ---


LITERALLY!

Posted by: Joe "My IQ is higher" Biden at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (QGgQ4)

56 Nixon is in hell just angry that he didn't think of typing Watergate vertically.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (EQcfE)

57 lol.....a video a day will keep obamacare away

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 112 days until spring training at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (u8GsB)

58 Give this guy a medal. Present it right there at the Kennedy Center where Tina Fey and Warren Buffet got theirs.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (l3vZN)


Brokaw first!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (IXrOn)

59 It matters because of the upcoming SCOTUS case on whether Obamacare subsidies apply to people on states w/no state exchanges, right?

I'm all for getting this out so that it can be used in cases that will destroy Obamacare on legal grounds (given that RINOs won't repeal it).

Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)

60 Dude's now rivaling Jason Mattera in the "slow bleed the damaging videos" department.

.....Me likey.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (3T+KU)

61 I think it's time we start the Richard Weinstein Defense Fund. He's gonna need it soon.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (oKE6c)

62 *James O'Keefe as well.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (3T+KU)

63
Hopefully it will be something along the line of they brag about getting John Roberts to rule in their favor of scoamf care and/or how much they hate the Constitution.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 13, 2014 01:23 PM (dBK22)

64 WH has already distanced themselves from Gruber saying they don't believe what he has said to be true. Even Pelosi denies having any knowledge of the guy and that's complete BS also. They'll get away with it, like always. Two more years of doubling down on all this crap and going even further left. Yay
Posted by: texas t at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (gmQC3)


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Nope. The dems have been busted on their claim of not knowing this guy or denying that he was a key player in Ocare's writing.

I think it's at WZ.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (oJNGo)

65 Obamacare will map your DNA for the FBI/NSA, but if you need a prescription filled to combat the flu, you can pound sand, you sick fcuk.

Posted by: Fritz at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (UzPAd)

66 I'm all for getting this out so that it can be used in cases that will destroy Obamacare on legal grounds (given that RINOs won't repeal it).
Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)

No none of these videos matter legally.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (FA3Z7)

67
And out congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (u9gzs)



You saw that Mitch McConnell was unanimously re-elected as Senate Leader?


But the Tea Party are racists you know.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (txvbW)

68 This came from Pedovania University along with Mann and Sandusky.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (Cdl5U)

69 There's something rather special about a liar who is so upfront and forthright about his dishonesty.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (IN7k+)

70 Does this guy with the videos have any tax leins? Is he really a plumber?

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (MMC8r)

71 Said it before and I'll say it again: Goober and everyone in this entire administration were last picked for the kickball team as children, and as a result, they are sticking it to "all those stupid people" who were too dumb to recognize their magnificence. Our country is being run by people who hate free markets because they hate competition. They hate competition because they can't win in a fairly played game. They are losers. And they know it. And they are pissed about it. So they will rig the game to make sure YOU lose, you stupid American voter.

Posted by: Tired Mom at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (Rf6QT)

72 I just don't understand how these right wing lies keep getting shoved in Jon Gruber's mouth.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (xSCb6)

73 >>If true, at this point I'd have to say Gruber was a GOP mole.

No, they REALLY think we're that dumb, that they can go to their little academic conferences and let the mask slip and no one will hold them accountable.
And we can also blame the media for that feeling on inviscibility.

Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (ABcz/)

74

Lemme see.

Pelosi is a liar?
Pelosi belongs in a straight jacket?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi not only did not read the bill, but had no idea who wrote the bill?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (IXrOn)

75 the fact that FOX news even gives passing mention to this non-scandal that Obama is as mad about as anyone until he claims there's nothing to see shows how untterly biased FOX news is again The Light. Or Something.

Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (bJm7W)

76 I'm wondering if there isn't a clause in the bill somewhere authorizing death squads to take care of anyone who tells the truth about it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (ZkzmI)

77 Poor Ron Fournier is just so upset that Gruber had his number from the beginning.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2014 01:25 PM (Ktnum)

78 One would think the press would be a little bit miffed that their party is making them look like fools, after all, the press had staff who looked into the POS bill for months, and then they refused to cover it in deference to their party.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (ZkzmI)



Once again, we (and the nation) are running smack dab into problems associated with the fact that we have one party control of all information flow to the American people.


The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (txvbW)

79 It does matter. Thus guy lied. Possibly to Congress in testimony. Possibly to the courts in amicus briefs. It matters very much.

Congressman who knew they were lying will be tempted to throw him under the bus and say they were misled to save themselves.

I think it's a game changer

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (jr5+1)

80 No none of these videos matter legally.

Their value is political, as in building even more support to junk this mess.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (MMC8r)

81 25 I like these tactics, kind of like James O'Keefe and his staggered release of damning videos.
Posted by: Heralder at November 13, 2014 01:19 PM (/Mxso)



Yep. It's a beautiful thing: let them fart off the first one as a one-off, the second one as a boo-boo, etc. but after a while the pattern cannot be ignored.

We're finally learning to play the media game, despite getting rabbit punched periodically by the ref, the MSM.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)

82 My premium, received after the mid-terms, went up 33%. Fewer choices, higher premium. Thanks Obama.


But your deductibles went up.

So. You have that going for you.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (1hXm1)

83 The conversation the left doesn't want to have but cannot figure out how to get out of. Ignoring such conversations has worked in the past. Will it work now? With the statute in question coming up in the news for other reasons? How can you tout its virtues when this is still out there? Not impossible, but difficult.


BTW - In calling the American people stupid and that they needed to be lied to so that the law would pass Dr. Gruber insults the Democrats and the Left. Republicans and conservatives were opposed to the law and never went along with it. Ordinary apolitical Americans were and are opposed to it. ObamaCare is the action that woke up the Tea Party. The only ones who supported ObamaCare - and thus the only ones the lying convinced - were Democrats and progressives.

"Progressives are gullible and easily led." - Dr. J. Gruber.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (hLRSq)

84 67 You saw that Mitch McConnell was unanimously re-elected as Senate Leader?





But the Tea Party are racists you know.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (txvbW)

My question on that was is that election voided in Dec when this congress goes away and the new one starts in Jan?

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (u9gzs)

85

Sick Cruz and Gowdy on this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (IXrOn)

86 Jonathan Gruber, singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (L2xDv)

87 Why do these Grubers keep sucking my d1ck?

Posted by: Bigby's Handwarmers at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (3ZtZW)

88 Once again, we (and the nation) are running smack
dab into problems associated with the fact that we have one party
control of all information flow to the American people.





The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (txvbW)

THIS.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)

89 [i[78 The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.

Preach it, amen.

Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (R5qgD)

90 C'mon, you guys seriously can't expect Nancy Pelosi to remember the name of everyone she's given public funds to. There must be thousands of them.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (ZKzrr)

91 If your deductibles are greater than your assets what's the point?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (Cdl5U)

92 one of the good ones


David Burge

The real scandal in Gruber's remarks: that he could say them publicly, in the complete confidence that no major media would quote him.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (IXrOn)

93 I wonder if the killer blow will be Gruber admitting to rationing.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (MMC8r)

94 This guy Weinstein? Clearly a Jew Banker trying to take down Obama.


Local story, nothing here.



Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (0FSuD)

95 "Worse" would normally indicate that something which would nullify the entire monstrosity that is Barkycare is about to be revealed; something which even the most die-hard leftist would scream "unconstitutional!"

Gruber has already admitted lying. What else could he say that would be "worse?"

"Hey, that John Roberts? We totes blackmailed his ass to get this thing passed!"

"Don't worry about the GOP. We've already bought off McConnell with a young boy and Bohner with a pack of Luckys."


"Worse" would indicate something is coming that would obliterate Obamacare. Nothing of the sort is going to happen. Vic has the solid gold bet-your-wife-on-it lock prediction.

Posted by: Patrick Ewing's Cobbler at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (zF6Iw)

96 We're the group that's supposedly not into science or tech, but these clowns apparently can't remember that the internet exists.


No wonder they want to control it so bad.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:28 PM (xSCb6)

97 None of this matters. Truly. It's enraging, but it doesn't matter.

SCOTUS isn't going to strike down the law, Obama isn't going to sign a repeal. This will never go away. The State only grows.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:28 PM (fwARV)

98 Squirrels and Shiny Stuff FTW!
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:18 PM (PoKIA)

If you don't like the posts you don't have to read them. You have options - this isn't ObamaCare.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (hLRSq)

99 Maybe "worse" is him admitting that it was designed to fail in order to bring on socialized health care.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (ABcz/)

100 So.

Why doesn't he just release it?
Why does he need fox news or CNN.

Release what's worse, let's see it. (My guess is it'll say something about killing old people.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 2 months! at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (HDwDg)

101 This came from Pedovania University along with Mann and Sandusky.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:24 PM (Cdl5U)



Ummm what?

You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)

102 Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had!

Ya been took!

Ya been hoodwinked!

Bamboozled!

Led astray!

Run amok!

This is what He does..

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (Rx8ML)

103 The infighting over at the swampland cesspool of DU over Gruber is pretty damn fun to watch. Eat your own you POS.

Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (fWAjv)

104 96 No wonder they want to control it so bad.

Net Neutrality ftw!

Assholes.

Posted by: akula51 at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (R5qgD)

105 Embargo Party?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (Cdl5U)

106 "The media's going to have an Embargo Party."

Iowahawk:

"Journalism is about covering stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving."

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (noWW6)

107 The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (txvbW)

Absolute fact. Until this changes (or is changed), nothing else can.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (fwARV)

108 vic bet his wife?

Posted by: n at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (iBXmZ)

109
Accidentally heard an interview with this idiot (Gruber) a while back. Jaw-dropping. Just a basic understanding of economics, medicine, insurance, and the US situation made his comments bizarre and idiotic. He displayed not the slightest understanding of actual economics, insurance, etc. None. Delusional crap, delivered with a smarmy smug air about it.

But as there is no opposition party in the US, and no press, and a degraded populace and collapsed civic culture, no surprise that such idiocy can actually be allowed to damage the country.

Still waiting for the definitive data to declare "it's dead, Jim" on the US.

People speculate about what-ifs and worst cases on many subjects. Well here is one in real life. Millions of people - almost entirely the more responsible, successful, and self-sufficient - have been administered a body blow, out of the blue, having a needlessly expensive but otherwise taken-for-granted part of their financial life (health insurance) essentially ripped away from them. They have, suddenly, been confronted with serious financial hardship (material hits to their cash flow and savings plans), and threatened with financial penalties if they *don't* submit and pour more $$$$ down the rathole, for inferior coverage.

Sure, 2010, and 2014. But so what? And this idiot was re-elected in 2012? If the insane, un-American, ruinous final govt. destruction of health care finance doesn't generate some actual backlash - in actual law and policy, not at the ballot box - then there will be no reason to think that the controls are attached to the control surfaces any longer.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (afQnV)

110 The one over-arching goal of conservatives, constitutionalists and even reachable RINOs in the coming term, needs to be:

VENGANCE !

Bloody, painful, torturous and protracted in nature. Utter destruction on every possible left-wing precept, doctrine, manifesto and law.

This, is a BURN IT DOWN, which I would support.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (7x4lH)

111 92 David Burge



The real scandal in Gruber's remarks: that he could say them
publicly, in the complete confidence that no major media would quote
him.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (IXrOn)


Excellent point.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (oKE6c)

112 You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)


It would appear not.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (JpC1K)

113 You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)

Nevermind, he's rolling.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (fwARV)

114

iowahawk heard our call

"Jonathan Gruber? Never heard of him." - Nancy Pelosi

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/532964638733107201

lol
oh man

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (IXrOn)

115 Don't worry, the media won't report it and it will all go away.

Plus, they are going to be busy extolling the Benefits of Amnesty and the Vision and Wonder of Dear Leader.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (25HWz)

116 32
Dammit! Why does Gruber have to be a straight white male with a big WHITE parrot!!



-MSM

Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (fWAjv)


FIFY

Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (0FSuD)

117 I the god-king hereby decree:

If you like your conscience, you csn keep your condcience.

If you like your children, you can keep your children.

If you like your life, you can keep your life.

Posted by: Barack the beneficent, the merciful at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (fBW52)

118 You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)


He's probably still bitching about how the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (MT22W)

119 off times sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (0FSuD)

120 THERE'S WORSE COMING TODAY!?!?!

Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (Rx8ML)

121 Damn.

Out of popcorn.

Posted by: socalcon at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (vHlQ5)

122 Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (afQnV)


Great rant!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (oKE6c)

123 82 My premium, received after the mid-terms, went up 33%. Fewer choices, higher premium. Thanks Obama.


But your deductibles went up.

So. You have that going for you.
Posted by: garrett at November 13

Me too. Now I don't feel like a special snowflake anymore. :-(

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (/GgDU)

124 Yep. It's a beautiful thing: let them fart off the first one as a one-off, the second one as a boo-boo, etc. but after a while the pattern cannot be ignored.

We're finally learning to play the media game, despite getting rabbit punched periodically by the ref, the MSM.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (oKE6c)



I've seen Wrestling matches on television where the wrestlers get tired of the deliberate one sided bullshit from some referees, and end up throwing them out of the ring.


This analogy works on so many levels.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (txvbW)

125 A week from now 70% of the population will still have no idea who or what Jon Gruber is or they willthink he is the coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd)

126 C'mon, you guys seriously can't expect Nancy Pelosi to remember the name of everyone she's given public funds to. There must be thousands of them.
Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:27 PM (ZKzrr)


-----------------------------------


Once again, Pelosi and Reid have been busted on their claim of not knowing this guy. Reid touted him on the senate floor and Pelosi sang his praises on her website.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (oJNGo)

127 Out of popcorn.

Posted by: socalcon at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (vHlQ5

Crams popcorn through USB. With bourbon.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (fwARV)

128 Oh, and re-publish the late, great Vince Flynn's first book: "Term Limits".

This time though, with the advisory that it's an instruction manual, and not merely a work of fiction.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (7x4lH)

129 The roots of most of our current maladies are the result of this one party control of the information flow.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM


Don't underestimate the "conservatives'" inaction when the news of any government overreach does dribble out.

Without the deafening silence from the so-called opposition, it's just possible some of the Choom Gang's more destructive efforts would have been stymied.

But there's always a Gruber, or a Moe DeGrass, Tyson or an Anthony Weiner to take heat away from the Mocha Messiah.

Republicans: the Part That Sweats the Small Shit. While the Really Big Shit floats happily past them.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (PoKIA)

130 "We're the group that's supposedly not into science or tech, but these clowns apparently can't remember that the internet exists. No wonder they want to control it so bad."

But... but... I _created_ you.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (noWW6)

131 119 off times sock
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13

That was a fast lunch. WTF you do, go through a Burger King drive through?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (/GgDU)

132 Sure. ObamaCare will kill puppies and orphans. But isn't that worth it?

Posted by: Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (MMC8r)

133 I can't remember his name, but last night Levin played some appalling excerpts from a guy praising the British NHS and trashing American free enterprise.

He's now an Obama appointee.

Posted by: rickl at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (zoehZ)

134 U Penn is an ivy. Penn state is not

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (jr5+1)

135 Honestly, unless this guy Gruber is on tape wearing his Hugo Boss SS uniform saying that all the gays should be in the camps, too, I don't think it will get much play.

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (Rx8ML)

136 108
vic bet his wife?

Posted by: n at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (iBXmZ)

Easy now, I don't think Vic's wife is in good health. Leave that alone.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (0FSuD)

137 A week from now 70% of the population will still have no idea who or what Jon Gruber is or they willthink he is the coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd)


I believe that you mean the Potomac Basin Indigenous People.

Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (MT22W)

138 A week from now 70% of the population will still have no idea who or what Jon Gruber is or they willthink he is the coach of the Washington Redskins.
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd)


....or a sketch on Saturday Night Live.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (JpC1K)

139 @# 82. We are in the same boat. Our premiums are now $1,000 a month. And our deductive is something crazy like $20,000. HOWEVER, when we pay our doctor bills, we get the insurance-company negotiated rate, which is just hunky dory. For example, I recently took my son to the doc and the bill was $102. The insurance-company negotiated rate was $96. So I saved $8!!!! Yay for me!!!! It makes that $1,000 monthly premium so worth it!

Posted by: Tired Mom at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (Rf6QT)

140 Bob Beckel might implode?

Posted by: Nevergiveup

He'd become a black hole of democrat claptrap.

Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (pMGkg)

141 Time for a kickstarter campaign to use some of these videos in tv ads. How much is a 30 second spot during Sunday Night Football? What about one of the nightly news programs? The media will strangle this story in its cradle. We have to go around them.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (5ETeA)

142 This one time, I convinced this batty old lady to buy a $100 extended warranty on a $50 DVD player.

Do you have any idea what the spiff is on that? I made 50 cents off the goddamn DVD player and $15 bucks off the extended warranty.

Easiest sale ever. She was some old bat who probably couldn't remember what she had for breakfast. But, hey, not my problem, right? I mean, if you're stupid enough to buy it, I'm not gonna leave $15 bucks lying on the goddamn floor.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (ZPrif)

143 Don't be stupid. Vote for us.

Posted by: Romey-Gruber 2016! at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (lJLML)

144 yeah, he admits rationing was part of the plan that stupid people would not accept
or that illegals were part of the plan, or destroying private plans, or death panels
or that his great grandfather was Hitler, or he drones on in his self important tones about his love of Marxist theory
or he think gas chambers for the tea party would be his final solution ...

ha ... well hopefully the surprise is something to get the networks to cover it, instead of covering it ... up.

Posted by: Illiniwek at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (kjyac)

145 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (kff5f)

146 >>It does matter. Thus guy lied. Possibly to Congress in testimony. Possibly to the courts in amicus briefs. It matters very much.

Ain't no possible about it. Gruber did sign an amicus brief in the Halbig case.

It's right here.

http://tinyurl.com/mf3rj6u

That's why I keep saying the Halbig case is where the real juice is in all of this.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (g1DWB)

147 Honestly, unless this guy Gruber is on tape wearing
his Hugo Boss SS uniform saying that all the gays should be in the
camps, too, I don't think it will get much play.

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (Rx8ML)

It wouldn't even get much play THEN.

But his name's trending on twitter, and that means that LoFos are seeing it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (4df7R)

148 120 THERE'S WORSE COMING TODAY!?!?!

Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM (Rx8ML)

Filthy 2 dollar worse or the high class worse?

Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (fWAjv)

149 excellent

Speaking of videos, now that Team SCOAMF is on record they will give anything to Iran to get any deal, and they will do nothing to support Israel, can MOSSAD hack the Khalidi toast tape from Bienart and LA Times?

Maybe it will help GOP rouse popular opinion so they can push sanctions through and block his imminent sellout to Iran

Posted by: ginaswo at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (+X1qa)

150 This Weinstein guy--I like his style. But dude had better watch his cornhole.

Posted by: Nakoula Basseley, former independent film maker at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (8TdcF)

151 Bob Beckel might implode?

Posted by: Nevergiveup

He'd become a black hole of democrat claptrap.

Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:33 PM (pMGkg)


And that would be different...how exactly would that be different?

Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (MT22W)

152 He is waiting to release it because he now has conservative handlers

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (jr5+1)

153 125 A week from now 70% of the population will still have no idea who or what Jon Gruber is or they willthink he is the coach of the Washington Redskins.
Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (kQBSd

I thought their coach was Jay Gruber, brother of John Gruber. You know that guy who looks like Chucky

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (/GgDU)

154
My question on that was is that election voided in Dec when this congress goes away and the new one starts in Jan?

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (u9gzs)



Haven't got a clue, but the cynic in me tells me that this is gonna be the deal.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (txvbW)

155 He'd become a black hole of democrat claptrap.

He's not far from that now.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (kff5f)

156 Wolf of Wall Street. Compelling story. BTW, I got my start in boiler room stock sales.

Posted by: Dr. Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (lJLML)

157 Funny thing, that didn't look like an "academic conference" to me.

I could understand everything he was talking about. If you get a chance, go to a math conference sometime. Go see a "good speaker". You will have no idea what they mean. It's arcane minutia.

I could actually have a debate with Gruber on his own subject and, with enough preparation, win the argument.

Am I supposed to have respect for that?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (L2xDv)

158 For example, I recently took my son to the doc and the bill was $102. The insurance-company negotiated rate was $96. So I saved $8!!!!

Uh, $6.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (MMC8r)

159 Crams popcorn through USB. With bourbon.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (fwARV)


*ahem*

::: raised eyebrow :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (JpC1K)

160 Has anyone seen a copy of that comic book he's holding?
I would imagine he wrote a lot more lies in it. Simplifying the ACA for the serfs, yo!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (ABcz/)

161 Richard Weinstein - the new James O'Keefe?

Signs pint to "yes."

This guy is shaming the lying, treasonous, throne-sniffing MFM HARD and I am loving it!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (7ObY1)

162 SCOTUS isn't going to strike down the law, Obama isn't going to sign a repeal. This will never go away. The State only grows.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider



There is going to come a time in the very near future where this monstrosity just doesn't work. At that point, go long on rope and pitch forks.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (g2T/X)

163 SOON

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (lN8KC)

164 Nancy Pelosi? Never heard of her

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (kFxpe)

165 It matters because of the upcoming SCOTUS case on whether Obamacare subsidies apply to people on states w/no state exchanges, right?

I'm all for getting this out so that it can be used in cases that will destroy Obamacare on legal grounds (given that RINOs won't repeal it).

Posted by: MSM at November 13, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)


Pssst, you left a stinky sock on too long.

Anyway, here's what's going to happen in that case.

- The subsidies on the federal-run exchanges will be deemed unconstitutional, technically because that's what the law says, but really because the intent and goal all along is to make the states the bagmen for the exchange horseshit.

- However, for the purpose of the Roberts Memorial PlaceboCare Non-Insurance Penalty Tax, the suddenly-nonexistant federal-run exchange subsidies will be deemed to continue to exist for the purpose of ensnaring the middle class and working poor in those states using federal-run exchanges who don't have PlaceboCare "insurance", technicallybecause "equal protection" demands equal treatment of those people and those in states that run their own exchanges, but really because the federales need that money.

- The "GOP" will do what they always do when handed power after a massive expansion of the welfare state and expand it further by authorizing subsidies on the federal-run exchanges.

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (cL79m)

166 @ 139 -- oops -- I only saved $6, not $8. So darn, my insurance is worse than I thought! Forgive my math -- I am a stupid American voter.

Posted by: Tired Mom at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (Rf6QT)

167 He lied to SCOTUS. This is a. Big deal

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (jr5+1)

168 I think the tapes help just to embarrass Justice Roberts enough that he makes the right call on Halbig

Tell us SCOTUS what does Letter of the Law mean

Posted by: ginaswo at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (+X1qa)

169 He is waiting to release it because he now has conservative handlers

We all owe a debt to Andrew Breitbart.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (L2xDv)

170 THERE'S WORSE COMING TODAY!?!?!

Posted by: Al Sharpton on MSNBC at November 13, 2014 01:31 PM


Well played.

golf clap

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (2Ayux)

171 100 Why doesn't he just release it?

Why does he need fox news or CNN.



Release what's worse, let's see it. (My guess is it'll say something about killing old people.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 2 months! at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (HDwDg)

Because the guy is obviously media savvy. Part of the story is the story's unfolding. We - and a lot of other patriots, I'll wager - are now waiting with bated breath for the next one. That electricity draws the attention of others, which it was what makes a story go viral. Now Fox and CNN (and even MSNBC) are all waiting for the other shoe to drop, and all will feel pressure to cover it so as not to be seen to be left out.
It's brilliant. It's the strategy that a-hole used to promote that ridiculous Segway. Remember that?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (oKE6c)

172 Question: if the President goes full Communist, would the MSM report it? Would the Republicans do anything?

My guess is... no.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)

173 I think the next video will be Gruber actually shooting a stupid coke-addicted hipster.

Wow, talk about mixed emotions.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (sH832)

174 #83 ObamaCare is the action that woke up the Tea Party.
The only ones who supported ObamaCare - and thus the only ones the lying
convinced - were Democrats and progressives.



"Progressives are gullible and easily led." - Dr. J. Gruber.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Blanked Out at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2014 01:26 PM (hLRSq)

Actually it was the bailout(s) i.e. "rewarding bad behavior" as Rick Santelli put it. The Tea Party started in Feb 2009.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (R+h7Q)

175 So I saved $8!!!!


This is what I've been saying.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (1hXm1)

176 There's worse coming today?

Gruber admits global warming is a lie?
Gruber says he hates gays?
Gruber supports Israel?
Gruber calls Nancy Pelosi a krunt?

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (oFCZn)

177 Because the guy is obviously media savvy. Part of the story is the story's unfolding.


He's very O'Keefe-like

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (7ObY1)

178

More please.
I feel gluttonous.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (IXrOn)

179 But his name's trending on twitter, and that means that LoFos are seeing it.


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM


I suspect Kim Kardashian's name is trending on Twitter, too.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (PoKIA)

180 I thought their coach was Jay Gruber, brother of John Gruber. You know that guy who looks like Chucky Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (/GgDU)Thanks for making my point. *pours a shot of 15 yr old scotch*

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (kQBSd)

181 Filthy 2 dollar worse or the high class worse?



Hopefully the $9,000.00 a night worse.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (g2T/X)

182 "22 repost

Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009. "

A reasonable person would think that one asshole getting caught declaring Americans stupid would, you know, serve as a warning against other assholes thinking they can treat Americans like they're stupid.

A reasonable person would be wrong.

Posted by: Fringe at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (oWl4T)

183 Rats, ship.

To steal a phrase: some disassembly disembarkment required.

Posted by: tbodie at November 13, 2014 01:21 PM (YE6fT)


ReWrite engaged for Fleebaggers.

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (cL79m)

184 "last night Levin played some appalling excerpts from a guy praising the British NHS and trashing American free enterprise. He's now an Obama appointee."

If you thought Piers Morgan was a fantastic British export product, wait till you get a look at me!

Posted by: The Liverpool Care Pathway at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (noWW6)

185 SCOTUS isn't going to strike down the law, Obama isn't going to sign a repeal. This will never go away. The State only grows.

At this point, Dems *want* SCOTUS to strike it down.

It's an albatross. They get the added bonus of being able to inveigh against the court and "conservative judicial activism."

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (L2xDv)

186 Hey MWR is back!

It's about goddamn time too.

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (oFCZn)

187 It's the strategy that a-hole used to promote that ridiculous Segway.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (oKE6c)


:::: looks longingly in corner :::

It is not ridiculous.

It is the badge of my calling.

Posted by: Paul Blart, Mall Cop at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (JpC1K)

188 -
Signs pint to "yes."



Could you tell "yes" I'd like a pint, too. I don't know sign language.

Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (8GKDa)

189 *ahem* ::: raised eyebrow :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (JpC1K)

The last time I assisted you with bourbon, you spent most of the next day hammered. I'm looking out for your interests here.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (fwARV)

190 I'm just waiting for Obammy to have a presser where he claims to have learned who Gruber was through the news.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (4df7R)

191
Haven't got a clue, but the cynic in me tells me that this is gonna be the deal.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (txvbW

Just playing devil's advocate, who would run against Mitch? Is there enough support with the new senators? My answers are no one and no. Mitch has the old wing locked up, Rand supports him. That leaves Lee, Cruz and Johnson to come up with an alternative. Don't see it happening. Sorry

I think the house maybe a different story but not holding my breath there either.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (/GgDU)

192 Gruber: No really, what I mean is that Americans are idiots and the whole purpose of Obamacare is to fuck up the health system in order to eventually lead to a govt takeover. No nuance, no nothing. This was the plan all along.

MSM: So what he's really saying is that Republicans are lying about how awesome Obamacare is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (0LHZx)

193 This is not a parody tweet.
Classic example of how the SJW scum have taken over tech news.

The Verge @verge 4h
I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing http://theverge.com/e/6977860

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (ZPrif)

194 You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?





Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)


Meh. U. Penn, Penn State, state pen. You say "tomayto, I say tomahto."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (7MWCL)

195 So I saved $8!!!!


This is what I've been saying.



That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (g2T/X)

196 The ObamaCare Prize Patrol is on its way to your house RIGHT NOW! No purchase necessary.

Posted by: Dr. Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (lJLML)

197 The one over-arching goal of conservatives, constitutionalists and even reachable RINOs in the coming term, needs to be:

VENGANCE !

Bloody, painful, torturous and protracted in nature. Utter destruction on every possible left-wing precept, doctrine, manifesto and law.

This, is a BURN IT DOWN, which I would support.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 13, 2014 01:30 PM (7x4lH)



Concur. I repeatedly say that the number one duty of the next administration needs to be putting this current group in jail, to include their donors and supporters.


We need some fucking carnage going on in the left wing monied circles.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (txvbW)

198 Gruber will not be covered by ObamaCare. In fact he will not find insurance coverage anywhere. Or employment. Or food. That's right! Gruber has already had his last meal!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (LISuA)

199 Dude, this was like two years ago.

Posted by: Media sycophants at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (rEXOB)

200 190 I'm just waiting for Obammy to have a presser where he claims to have learned who Gruber was through the news.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth

I'm just waiting for Obammy to have a presser where he claims to have learned who Gruber was through the Die Hard movie and sequels.

FIFY

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (/GgDU)

201 i live and work in the heart of elite liberal la la land and can tell you gruber didn't say anything these people don't agree whole heartedly with.

Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (lKyWE)

202 149 Speaking of videos, now that Team SCOAMF is on
record they will give anything to Iran to get any deal, and they will do
nothing to support Israel, can MOSSAD hack the Khalidi toast tape from
Bienart and LA Times?



Maybe it will help GOP rouse popular opinion so they can push sanctions through and block his imminent sellout to Iran



Posted by: ginaswo at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM (+X1qa)


I expect that tape sleeps with the fishes. What's the point of keeping it, and worrying that it might leak? The LAT doesn't need leverage on the Politburo.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (oKE6c)

203 But his name's trending on twitter, and that means that LoFos are seeing it. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM

Oh, yay! Excellent.

Soon I will be able to read 140 character screeds about how he "misspoke" and if you don't believe that then you're a racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (JpC1K)

204 To answer my own question, it looks like a 30 second commercial on Sunday Night Football would run somewhere in the neighborhood of $500-600,000. The ad itself shouldn't be difficult to make. Besides stock photography, graphics, a voice-over, and audio/video editing, is there anything else I'm missing that would ad to the cost of airing a Gruber ad?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (Ca7Ob)

205 Here's hoping that there's video of Gruber talking about 'Severability'

Posted by: Breitbart at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (kFxpe)

206 The Tea Party started in Feb 2009.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (R+h7Q)

Nope. It started on 16Dec, 2007.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (fwARV)

207 Bob Beckel might implode?

He could become a wormhole. Is there such a thing as a white hole?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (8ZskC)

208 Hey MWR is back!

It's about goddamn time too.

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:38 PM (oFCZn)


Welcome back MWR!

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (cL79m)

209 I don't want our side to do the same thing the left does.The public is not stupid per se.They are however,badly informed.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (v5UtH)

210 If only these videos had come out before the election, the Republicans might have been able to re-take the Senate!'

Oh...wait.

I see.

OK, well, we might have gotten 55 seats instead of 54!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (K4YiS)

211 Don't worry, the media won't report it and it will all go away.

Plus, they are going to be busy extolling the Benefits of Amnesty and the Vision and Wonder of Dear Leader.

Posted by: shibumi


Embargo already breached by CBS and CNN.

But yes, they'll have 'experts' spin and massage it into 'just another GOP fake scandal.'

Already the talking points being repeated:
- Gruber who? He's not important.
- Also, he was just being "infelicitous". No biggie.
- Don't listen to the GOP; they don't want you to have health insurance!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (QGgQ4)

212 all of these attempts to embarrass the President and other Congressional leaders makes for an excellent reminder of why we needed to amend the First Amendment so Congress could regulate nonprofessional news reporting.

Posted by: mallfly at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (bJm7W)

213 The Verge is one of the top tech news sites.

They seriously wrote a headline that says:
"I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing" cause one of the goddamn rocket scientists who landed a goddamn spaceship on a goddamn comet was wearing a goddamn Hawaiian shirt with sexy lady on it.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

214 BRING OUT THE TRAMPOLINES!

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oFCZn)

215 Concur. I repeatedly say that the number one duty
of the next administration needs to be putting this current group in
jail, to include their donors and supporters.





We need some fucking carnage going on in the left wing monied circles.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (txvbW)

D-Lamp 2016.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oKE6c)

216 170 THERE'S WORST COMING TODAY!?!?!

Posted by: Al Sharpton's Teleprompter

Fixed it for you, bro.

Posted by: Fringe at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oWl4T)

217 So is this scandal going to be "Grubergate" or " Stupidgate"?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (2cS/G)

218 Am I supposed to have respect for that?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (L2xDv)

This is the political guild protecting itself.

Arcane language, legal degrees as de facto perquisites for office or other positions of power, appeal to authority or credentials.....

The founders would be very angry.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (Zu3d9)

219 I can't help it, I just love to gab about the awesomeness of ME!

Posted by: Jon Gruber, Shitweasel at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (8ZskC)

220 I can only hope that the media of the late 20th and early 21st century are vilified by historians.

Posted by: Merkan at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (hm8tW)

221 Checked it out at Amazon - that comic book is just awful: White corporate guy, white retiree get good care and don't care if Carlos is drowning (literally) because they like their plan.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/knpu7yg

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ABcz/)

222 It never ceases to amaze me how these "smart" elitists assume we are the rubes, yet they are the ones blowing their own g_ddamned feet off.

It's the whole "momologuing" thing from The Incredibles, writ large...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (wtvvX)

223 You are aware that the University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania State University are two different universities, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:29 PM (mf5HN)
===========================

One plays Ohio State and the other doesn't matter. That's all I know.

Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (LISuA)

224 In some cases,misinformed.On " climate change" for instance,yet they remain skeptical,despite all the effort expended to make them believe.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (v5UtH)

225 131
119 off times sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13



That was a fast lunch. WTF you do, go through a Burger King drive through?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:32 PM (/GgDU)

Hour and a half. The rest of these folks have sort of jobs. Campaign directors of Rep Hudson and Sen Burr were there. Fun times, but they could not drink.

I took up the sack, ha ah

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (0FSuD)

226 The ad itself shouldn't be difficult to make.

But good luck getting NBC to take your money to run it.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (ZKzrr)

227
OK, well, we might have gotten 55 seats instead of 54!

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (K4YiS)


56. Reverse the results in NH and VA.

Posted by: physics geek at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (MT22W)

228 Could you tell "yes" I'd like a pint, too. I don't know sign language.


My bad.

I was typing in a hurry.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (7ObY1)

229 The Tea Party started in Feb 2009.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue


Nope. It started on 16Dec, 2007.



Dec. 16th, 1773.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (g2T/X)

230 Goober is a grubworm.

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (wAQA5)

231 Hey Grubski,

The first rule of Fuck Over the Proles Club, is don't talk about Fuck Over the Proles Club.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (8ZskC)

232 This guy's clearly a racist.

Posted by: Mr. Dr. Cecile "Captain Arugula" For The Win at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (rtjLI)

233 KARMA IS COMIN' BITCHEZ!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (wtvvX)

234 "Has anyone seen a copy of that comic book he's holding?"

I understand that it features intrepid hero Gruber fending off "cartoon villains such as a
mummy who warns that Obamacare won't cover the uninsured and a
lagoon creature who tries to scare people into thinking the law
will cause insurance premiums to rise".

I don't know about you, but I'm going to look up this lagoon creature pronto. It seems to be really on the ball with its predictions.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (noWW6)

235 We're SUPPOSED to be the good guys. Lies, deceit, distrust of the American people is supposed to be the purview of the other side. Now it appears that our 'natural betters' have no less contempt for me and you and every other non-elite than the Republicans.

This is a huge, possible game changer for me. If we can't propose and sell good progressive legislation on its merits without succumbing to deception and contempt of the people, then I just don't know what. I am as dispirited now than I can remember ever being, more so than in 2000, 2004 or 2010. I am NOT, decidedly NOT, have NEVER been a subscriber to the philosophy that 'the ends justify the means.' I hate them all, because it's clear that they hate me and people like me.



Insert Nelson Muntz HAAAA HAAAA here.

Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (fWAjv)

236 I could actually have a debate with Gruber on his own subject and, with enough preparation, win the argument.Am I supposed to have respect for that?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (L2xDv)

"Enough preparation" being defined as "breathing."

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (fwARV)

237 217So is this scandal going to be "Grubergate" or " Stupidgate"?Posted by: Lincolntf at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (2cS/G)No, it's going to be look how badly the Chinese treated our beloved president.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (kQBSd)

238 >>>>I expect that tape sleeps with the fishes.

This is why the MSM clutches to old skool analog taping methods.

Posted by: Bigby's Handwarmers at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (3ZtZW)

239 You can tell how sooper-dooper smart he is because he talks so fast you can barely understand him, like Chris Matthews but even faster.

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (wAQA5)

240 Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 01:43 PM (wtvvX)

Wanna bet?

Posted by: Your betters in the MSM at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (Zu3d9)

241 I suspect Kim Kardashian's name is trending on Twitter, too.>>>

There seems to be a trend of giant asses trending on Twitter then.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (Mxs5H)

242 We can't let the left silence us on social media,right now social media is our way around the lockstep media to inform the uninformed.Or the misinformed.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (v5UtH)

243 Gruber should sue, the things they're saying about him!

Posted by: Michael Mann, Nobel Laureate at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (LISuA)

244 It sounds like Weinstein dude is a Dem or maybe an Indy.

He did say that he originally believed everything Obama said about O-DeathCare.

The MFM will paint him as a rayciss wingnut regardless though.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (7ObY1)

245 229 The Tea Party started in Feb 2009.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue

Nope. It started on 16Dec, 2007.

Dec. 16th, 1773.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:42 PM (g2T/X)

Little know fact, it was an Iced Tea Party cause the water in Boston Harbor was damn cold

Read in Jefferson's autobiography, "Sneakin' Downstairs to See Sally"

Posted by: MikeH at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (136wp)

246
One plays Ohio State and the other doesn't matter. That's all I know.

Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2

That's THEE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY according to all of the illiterate football players who went there and onto the NFL

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (/GgDU)

247 Question: if the President goes full Communist, would the MSM report it? Would the Republicans do anything?

My guess is... no.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)


Это правильно, товарищ

Posted by: политическая шл& at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (lN8KC)

248 The last time I assisted you with bourbon, you spent most of the next day hammered. I'm looking out for your interests here. Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile

I've since had my stomach lined with charcoal.

At the 1:20 mark:
http://tinyurl.com/qxcv2c7

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (JpC1K)

249 >>I could actually have a debate with Gruber on his own subject and, with enough preparation, win the argument.Am I supposed to have respect for that?

No disrespect to your ginormous math brain but when a guy has to lie to win an argument about his supposed area of expertise he doesn't appear to be a very formidable debate opponent.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (g1DWB)

250 The Verge is one of the top tech news sites.



They seriously wrote a headline that says:

"I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is
sexist and ostracizing" cause one of the goddamn rocket scientists who
landed a goddamn spaceship on a goddamn comet was wearing a goddamn
Hawaiian shirt with sexy lady on it.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)


I love how the shirt covered in sexy ladies gets all the attention, but no one bothers to mention the guy's full-arm sleeve tattoos. He's clearly not your stereotypical "science nerd," and I doubt he gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks of his shirt. But I guess when you're wearing a shirt covered in images of beautiful women, the left's "Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes right out the window.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (4df7R)

251 Pictures of John Roberts having sex with Valerie Jarrett?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (mndtc)

252 I suspect Kim Kardashian's name is trending on Twitter, too.>>>

There seems to be a trend of giant asses trending on Twitter then.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 13, 2014 01:44 PM (Mxs5H)


Thread. Winner.

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (Rx8ML)

253 We're SUPPOSED to be the good guys. Lies, deceit, distrust of the American people is supposed to be the purview of the other side. Now it appears that our 'natural betters' have no less contempt for me and you and every other non-elite than the Republicans.

Um, dude/.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (8ZskC)

254 226

You may have a point, but if that happens we get to beat them about the head and neck with the censorship stick.

For serious, I don't know the first thing about video editing or advertising. I'm just some guy on the internet. Isn't there someone inside the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy who has the brains to pull something like this off?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (Ca7Ob)

255 Al Sharpton's Teleprompter

I'll take "what is a grease-stained Wet Wipecovered in crayon?" for $500, Alex.

Posted by: Patrick Ewing's Cobbler at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (zF6Iw)

256 Hillary! will not be deterred by this sexist nonsense!

Posted by: Huma Abedin at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (LISuA)

257 That's THEE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY according to all of the illiterate football players who went there and onto the NFL Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (/GgDU)And most of them can't spell OSU.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (kQBSd)

258 Question: if the President goes full Communist, would the MSM report it? Would the Republicans do anything? My guess is... no.
Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)

Question: How has he not gone full Communist?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (fwARV)

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (8ZskC)

260 MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY ANNOUNCES NAME CHANGE.

MIT President I.P. Freeley announced today that based on recent events the University has decided to change its name to the Massachusetts Institute of Mendacity. "The MIT abbreviation uses harsh masculine tones. MIM just rolls off the tongue and is more diverse and less threatening. Like a Milkyu Way. And mendacity kinda rhymes with technology. So there's that."

Posted by: Associated Press - Breaking News at November 13, 2014 01:46 PM (lJLML)

261 I like the slow rolling of these videos. It's O'Keefe like.

Posted by: no good deed at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (w3a0Z)

262

Cicero to the Barrel

Posted by: Hat at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (lN8KC)

263 But, but, but....NUANCE!!

Posted by: Ronan Farrow at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (xSCb6)

264 Getting my stuff. How's that barrel in cold weather?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (8ZskC)

265 I am glad that there are more coming!

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (sj3Ax)

266 "If true, at this point I'd have to say Gruber was a GOP mole."

Heh. But of course he's just another smarmy, smarter-than-you lefty gasbag who couldn't stop running his mouth. The dope's up to his neck in it now.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (o4zQD)

267 i live and work in the heart of elite liberal la la land and can tell you gruber didn't say anything these people don't agree whole heartedly with.
Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (lKyWE)



Wait, they agree they are stupid?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (mf5HN)

268 Getting my stuff. How's that barrel in cold weather?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 13, 2014 01:47 PM (8ZskC)


Don't lick it.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)

269 Worse?!!!

They've got video of Harry Reid's outreach to youth?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (XUKZU)

270 Getting my stuff. How's that barrel in cold weather?

Actually it's easier to walk.

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (Rx8ML)

271 The Daily Caller @DailyCaller 22m
Pelosi Said She Doesn't Know Who Jonathan Gruber Is Despite Previously Citing Him By Name
http://t.co/Yt0fpK9SIu

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:48 PM (ZPrif)

272 The main takeaway from the midterms is this:

The conservatarian "alternative" newsstream managed to defeat the MSM.

This is a major social earthquake.

We have not been able to unseat the Gramscian cryptocommunists who have taken over almost the entirely of the mainstream media, and so they retain an iron grip on it, with the attendant water-carrying for Obama, embargoing of stories that hurt the liberal cause, and constant relentless "framing the narrative" from a Marxist vantage point.

However, we've created or acquiring or amplified so many alternate streams that a significant proportion of the electorate "got the message" anyway (i.e. perceived current events through a conservatarian filter).

The alternate streams include:

1. Drudge
2. Right-wing talk radio
3. Fox News on cable
4. Conservative blogosphere
5. Anti-progressive Twitter, Facebook and social media.
6. A growing number of conservative and libertarian news sites and magazines
7. A burgeoning number of "local reporters" for local TV stations that sneak in anti-progressive stories.
8. Other stuff that probably eludes me at the moment.

All of these combined created an "end-around" to the MSM. And continues to do so.

Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)

273 251 Pictures of John Roberts having sex with Valerie Jarrett?
Posted by: TexasJew at November 13, 2014 01:

Just.Lost.Lunch.

Thanks a bunch

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (/GgDU)

274 "Jonathan Gruber? Never heard of him." - Nancy Pelosi
----------------------------------

She said this three times, before the barbed cock of Dick Cheney crowed.

Posted by: Roy at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (VndSC)

275 No disrespect to your ginormous math brain but when a guy has to lie to win an argument about his supposed area of expertise he doesn't appear to be a very formidable debate opponent.

I'm pretty sure my 7-yr-old could win a policy debate over Jon "Givin' a bad name to Hans" Gruber.

Also- Cicero, I think all the Hazmat suits are at the cleaners.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (kff5f)

276 The Daily Caller @DailyCaller 21m
Nancy Pelosi Says She Doesn't Know The Guy Who Helped Write The Bill She Didn't Read

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (ZPrif)

277 I love how the shirt covered in sexy ladies gets all
the attention, but no one bothers to mention the guy's full-arm sleeve
tattoos. He's clearly not your stereotypical "science nerd," and I doubt
he gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks of his shirt. But I guess when
you're wearing a shirt covered in images of beautiful women, the left's
"Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes right out the window.



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014


He should just claim to be a pre-op tranny lesbian, empowering the sisterhood!

Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (8GKDa)

278 267 Well,remember when John Murtha called his constituents stupid and they re elected him?

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (v5UtH)

279 How's that barrel in cold weather?


Temperature is the least of your worries.


The inner...coating...is starting to move.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (xSCb6)

280 You did notice who told him how to lie about taxes right? You heard who he said slipped him that bit of knowledge?

That's the kind of thing you only learn after spending years fighting the Viet Cong.

Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (HstNY)

281 How's that barrel in cold weather?

The random bio-waste acts as a pretty good layer of insulation.

Or so I'm told.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (kff5f)

282 Wait, they agree they are stupid?
they don't think he is talking about them,trust me

Posted by: kj at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (lKyWE)

283 That's the kind of thing you only learn after spending years fighting the Viet Cong.
Posted by: John Kerry at November 13, 2014 01:50 PM (HstNY)

To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong.

Posted by: Jon "Carl" Gruber at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (136wp)

284 I've since had my stomach lined with charcoal. At the 1:20 mark: http://tinyurl.com/qxcv2c7

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Prodigal Port 1080 Son at November 13, 2014 01:45 PM (JpC1K)

Hm. Fair enough.*shoves*

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (fwARV)

285 Read in Jefferson's autobiography, "Sneakin' Downstairs to See Sally"



I'll bet he claimed it was because it was cold out. IYKWIMAIKTYD

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (g2T/X)

286
None of this matters. Truly. It's enraging, but it doesn't matter.

SCOTUS isn't going to strike down the law, Obama isn't going to sign a repeal. This will never go away. The State only grows.

---------

Yep. Elections matter.

Posted by: Lea at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (lIU4e)

287 i live and work in the heart of elite liberal la la land and can tell you gruber didn't say anything these people don't agree whole heartedly with.


-
Didja see Li'l Joey Boo Boo's comment that "middle class" is not a compliment in D.C.? It means you're not sophisticated.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 01:51 PM (XUKZU)

288 Can't you just see those Kardashians modeling the new spring fashions as all those slim out of work fashion models are pigging out on greasy hamburgers trying to bulk up to get their jobs back?

Posted by: Arguile the Sock at November 13, 2014 01:52 PM (vy/Wl)

289 I know you all can't wait for our explanation and it's coming soon!

(Shhhh....Spoiler alert: There is a Gruber who is a registered Republican!)

Posted by: Matt Yglesias at November 13, 2014 01:52 PM (LISuA)

290 Didja see Li'l Joey Boo Boo's comment that "middle class" is not a compliment in D.C.? It means you're not sophisticated.

Yes, the Gentry always sneers as the Commoners.

"Middle Class" has simply replaced "Common" in the lexicon.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (kff5f)

291 OT:

Tester will be the next Dem Senate Campaign Committee (DSCC) chair

Wicker will be the next National GOP Senatorial Committee (NRSC) chair.

Posted by: The Senatorial Hat at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (lN8KC)

292 >>But I guess when you're wearing a shirt covered in images of beautiful
women, the left's "Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes
right out the window.

Bingo!

And as someone mentioned in the last thread, feminists would defend any woman who insisted on dressing like the babes in his shirt ("How dare you criticize her, slutshamers?!!!").

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (ABcz/)

293 This how stupid the Left thinks we are -- Pelosi says she's never heard of Gruber.


Uh-oh
...
Nancy Pelosi In 2009: Americans Should Read Jonathan Gruber's ObamaCare Analysis ... http://youtu.be/pHFOgjXevdk via @YouTube

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (ZPrif)

294 Certain.. elements ..inside it generate heat in their decay, creating a self-contained micro-climate.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (ZkzmI)

295 He should just claim to be a pre-op tranny lesbian, empowering the sisterhood!


Posted by: irright at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (8GKDa)


Hardcore feminists actually HATE transgenders. They refuse to call them women.

I asked one of them on Twitter if it would have been okay had the scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4df7R)

296 "Jonathan Gruber? Never heard of him." -
Nancy Pelosi
----------------------------------
She said this three times, before the barbed cock of Dick Cheney crowed.
Posted by: Roy



-----

Something bad usually happens when you say something three times.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (g2T/X)

297 Oh boy! This is gonna be great!

Posted by: Flounder at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4/rsl)

298
Middle Class? Joe Biden is Mittleschmerz.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (CMkNk)

299 This isn't bowling, dude. This is politics. There are no rules.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (XUKZU)

300 This is the political guild protecting itself.

Arcane language, legal degrees as de facto perquisites for office or other positions of power, appeal to authority or credentials.....


My job is to take ridiculously complicated subjects and try to boil them down to the point where they can be understood and that metaphysically certain facts can be divined from them.

Their job is to take absurdly easy concepts, some of which are horribly wrong and try to use language to cover up their simplicity.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (L2xDv)

301 I expect that tape sleeps with the fishes. What's the point of keeping it, and worrying that it might leak? The LAT doesn't need leverage on the Politburo.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (oKE6c)


---------------------------------------


Not true, Komrad. Everyone needs leverage against Politburo.

Posted by: Pravda at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (oJNGo)

302 And CNN leads with.... Ferguson.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (ttJ2z)

303 O/T

Leading from behind. Russia tells us to fuck off on Nuclear monitoring.



http://tinyurl.com/lc9cyle



Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)

304 This is kind of beautiful.

Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 11m
Awkward...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHFOgjXevdk&feature=youtu.be

Nancy Pelosi In 2009: Americans Should Read Jonathan Gruber's ObamaCare Analysis ... http://youtu.be/pHFOgjXevdk via @YouTube

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

305 But I guess when you're wearing a shirt covered in images of beautiful women, the left's "Be yourself! Be Unique! Be Awesome!" mantra goes right out the window.

Of course it does. It does when you wear any shirt of which they don't approve.

Because their real mantra is: "Be yourself (as long as that's just like us)! Be Unique (as long as that's just like us)! Be Awesome (but not really, because awesome is being yourself and/or unique in a way not like us)."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (kff5f)

306 Dear God, Benjamin Crump is an idiot.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (ttJ2z)

307 Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?


Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)

No.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (4df7R)

308 Videos is coming

Posted by: Nerd Stark at November 13, 2014 01:55 PM (3ZtZW)

309 I was going to sock a Red Chinese agreement to Hat's Russian sock, but it seems the hamsters don't like Chinese.

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (cL79m)

310 Testing 1, 2, 3 etc.

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (sj3Ax)

311 I asked one of them on Twitter if it would have been okay had the
scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.


I've got some quilt fabric with some shirtless firefighters. I wonder if there's enough for a shirt.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (ZKzrr)

312 Sorry, baby, twelve Gruber videos is my limit.

Posted by: sheriff bart at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (MtkQi)

313 it seems the hamsters don't like Chinese.

Try Sanskrit. Just because I want to know how the hamsters react, but I'm kind of afraid it would lead to an autobanning.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (kff5f)

314 Yep but I want to ask Gruber if RG3 will play better this weekend. What, what...wrong Gruber? Damn.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (kQBSd)

315 Gruber's voice reminds me of Penguin on Gotham.

Posted by: @votermom at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (N3QCP)

316 303 Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)
==========================

Totally agree. If anything, whatever the Progs recommend I've come to believe we should do the exact opposite. We get better odds of survival that way.

Posted by: Matt Yglesias at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (LISuA)

317 Hardcore feminists actually HATE transgenders. They refuse to call them women.

Insty linked a post by RS McCain on the various ... flavors of feminism and their response to transgenders.

Yes, the hardcore feminists want that specific genetic distinction, giving them full use of the class distinction arguments.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (L2xDv)

318 What? Now I'm a shit-weasel?

Posted by: Stupid Voter at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (N3Y73)

319 "i live and work in the heart of elite liberal la la land and can tell
you gruber didn't say anything these people don't agree whole heartedly
with.



The beauty is that they're agreeing with their own stupidity.


Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (xSCb6)

320 There was hilarious Guess That Party @ the AP when Gov. Beebe pardoned the fruit of his loins in Arkansas this week.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2014 01:20 PM (FdlTq)

*********************
bth, if you're referring to the story on Drudge, he's identified as a Democrat in the second sentence.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (5f5bM)

321 Oops. Sock off!

Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (LISuA)

322 I miss Andrew Breitbart and I wish he were here to see this.

But I'm grateful his legacy lives on.

Posted by: Filly at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (ZWmKk)

323 Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD)

Definitely not Reggie's ass.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (fwARV)

324 Enjoyable as all this is, what will come of it?

Bupkis.

Posted by: Gallow's Humidor at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (KG1MP)

325
Is there ANY PLACE Obama has not fucked up?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (0FSuD

His wife despises him.
His? daughters laugh at him.
Putin owns him like a bitch
The Chinese think he is funnier than Jerry Lewis.
The EU don't listen to him.

Yeah, everything he touches turns to shit.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 13, 2014 01:58 PM (/GgDU)

326 216
170 THERE'S WORST COMING TODAY!?!?!

Actually, I believe Rev. Al's exact quote will be:

Resist we much from wurst that might be going to reside from sides of the Other!

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (25HWz)

327 179
But his name's trending on twitter, and that means that LoFos are seeing it.




Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:34 PM

I suspect Kim Kardashian's name is trending on Twitter, too.


Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2014 01:37 PM (PoKIA)
It is not her name that is trending on twitter.

Posted by: Penfold at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (Fbt5B)

328 So at the linked Amazon page for Gruber's Obamacare comic book, there are various snippets of the contents.

Here's a real gem.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pf48gg6

And gee whiz, Wally, who might that be proudly signing version 1.0 of Grubercare into law at the state level?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (noWW6)

329 "Didja see Li'l Joey Boo Boo's comment that "middle class" is not a compliment in D.C.? It means you're not sophisticated."


Isn't part of Joey's schtick that he comes from the middle class?


I guess the guy has trouble remembering since he's got all those degrees to keep track of.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (xSCb6)

330 Those rich f*cks! This whole f*cking thing... I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this f*cking insurance company...

Posted by: John "Walter" Kerry at November 13, 2014 01:59 PM (XUKZU)

331
Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)


I think you give too much credit to the alternate news streams. I think a lot of our victories had to do with the general suckage created by the Obama government, the likes of which has gotten so bad that even the Black communities are starting to notice.


I heard Reince Priebus mentioning on Tavis Smiley last night that we hit record numbers with Blacks and Latinos.


I think the immigration thing with the ebola thing and a lot of other things combined to get some attention where it wouldn't have before.


And yes, alternative media helped.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:00 PM (txvbW)

332 Isn't part of Joey's schtick that he comes from the middle class?

-
His father was a Welch coal miner.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:00 PM (XUKZU)

333 It is not her name that is trending on twitter.
--

IT'S HER VAGINA AND BOOBIES AND BUTT CUZ SHE'S NEKID!

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (ZPrif)

334 Video!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/politics/tapper-gruber/index.html


[...]In this fourth video, Gruber's language is not as stark as in three previous instances, but his suggestion that Obamacare proponents engaged in less-than-honest salesmanship remains.



"Barack Obama's not a stupid man, okay?" Gruber said in his remarks at the College of the Holy Cross on March 11, 2010. "He knew when he was running for president that quite frankly the American public doesn't actually care that much about the uninsured....What the American public cares about is costs. And that's why even though the bill that they made is 90% health insurance coverage and 10% about cost control, all you ever hear people talk about is cost control. How it's going to lower the cost of health care, that's all they talk about. Why? Because that's what people want to hear about because a majority of American care about health care costs."



[...]



Gruber said the measures in the bill that attempt to lower costs constitute a "spaghetti approach" -- throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. And while preferable to the status quo, Gruber said he could offer no guarantee that any of the measures would work.
What are the Obamacare trade-offs



"The only way we're going to stop our country from being a latter day Roman Empire and falling under its own weight is getting control of the growth rate of health care costs," he said. "The problem is we don't know how." Experts "know what the problem is," he said. "Our providers are paid enormously high. In the 1950s surgeons are middle class guys like professors...Now they live on the Hamptons, the Cape, they're like investment bankers.



Gruber said attempts to control costs in a real way were politically untenable. "The problem is if we just say, 'Look, let's just cut our spending,' well, the problem is you're going to then eat into what the rich guys are getting that they're liking. And that doesn't go so well. That's going to be pretty hard politically. That's why no one has a politically feasible way right now to bend the cost curve, it just doesn't exist." Politicians could suggest capping costs but "you wouldn't win many elections." [...]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (4df7R)

335 ObamaCare will resurrect Hitler.
Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)


Late to the thread but that's a little too Boys From Brazil-ish.

[Gregory Peck and Steve Gutenberg in the same movie? O.M.G.]

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (JO9+V)

336 My job is to take ridiculously complicated subjects
and try to boil them down to the point where they can be understood and
that metaphysically certain facts can be divined from them.



Their job is to take absurdly easy concepts, some of which are
horribly wrong and try to use language to cover up their simplicity.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:54 PM (L2xDv)


Me too. The difference is math and science (real science, not bullshit "science") is complicated, and often not within intuitive reach.

Social science is generally just the opposite, and its practitioners generally suffer from galloping intellectual penis envy, so they adopt a convoluted and inaccessible argot to make their pronouncements seem profound. The social science literature is the apotheosis of this effect.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (oKE6c)

337 Pixy still working on site?

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (sj3Ax)

338 Nancy please, show some restraint.

Posted by: The chicken at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (Spluw)

339 All of these combined created an "end-around" to the MSM. And continues to do so. Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.
Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)


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Agree 100%. Last week's election results should have ended this doubt.

Posted by: Pravda at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (oJNGo)

340 202
I expect that tape sleeps with the fishes. What's the point of keeping it, and worrying that it might leak? The LAT doesn't need leverage on the Politburo.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:40 PM (oKE6c)



I agree. The only reason I can think of for keeping it would be for blackmail.

Posted by: rickl at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (zoehZ)

341 Free Beacon @FreeBeacon
Senior Moment: Pelosi Says She Doesn't Know Man She's Cited Several Times goo.gl/YfbMgZ via @StephenGutowski pic.twitter.com/d7GbF0X0OO

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (ZPrif)

342 Try Sanskrit. Just because I want to know how the hamsters react, but I'm kind of afraid it would lead to an autobanning.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (kff5f)


Do I look like a Guinea Pig?

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (cL79m)

343 This just in: MIT has revoked health insurance for its faculty and staff, casting them all onto Obolacare.


Hey, we can dream, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:03 PM (oKE6c)

344 Off rooskie sock

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:03 PM (oJNGo)

345
Hardcore feminists actually HATE transgenders. They refuse to call them women.

I asked one of them on Twitter if it would have been okay had the scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4df7R)



8 year old little girl coming out as "Transgendered."



http://www.youtube.com/embed/bWPEvmwG9Vw



I cannot help but feeling mommy put her up to it.



Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:03 PM (txvbW)

346 I asked one of them on Twitter if it would have been okay had the scientist been a woman wearing a shirt sporting a barechested Fabio.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (4df7R)


The guy has his arms tattooed from his wrists to at least his elbows and the most off-putting thing about him is the shirt?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 02:04 PM (L2xDv)

347 Do I look like a Guinea Pig?

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (cL79m)


**slides guinea pig feed back under desk**

No. Not at all.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:04 PM (kff5f)

348 Gretchen Carlson reports that WH is taking a dim view of Congress applying pressure to pass legislation.

Sounds like the pot smoker calling the kettle black. Or something. (Is that racist?)

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 13, 2014 02:05 PM (zpZLP)

349 Politicians could suggest capping costs but "you wouldn't win many elections."



Price controls?


What could go wrong?


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)

350 All of these combined created an "end-around" to the MSM. And continues
to do so. Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no
longer hold the information monopoly.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2014 01:49 PM (K4YiS)



Imagine how frustrated the Reds must be. Just when they finally succeed in penetrating and controlling the majority of news outlets, boom! Myriad other sources suddenly erupt all over the place that give the lie to the Party line, and cannot even all be identified, much less controlled. Everybody's now got a printing press, a TV network, and a megaphone.

Their frustration must know no bounds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (oKE6c)

351 296
"Jonathan Gruber? Never heard of him." -

Nancy Pelosi

----------------------------------

She said this three times, before the barbed cock of Dick Cheney crowed.

Posted by: Roy







-----



Something bad usually happens when you say something three times.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 01:53 PM (g2T/X)

"Gruberjuice, Gruberjuice, Gruberjuice..."

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (wtvvX)

352 334 I have a problem with the way they use the expression "bend the cost curve." Ron Fournier did it in his article linked in the sidebar too. None of them have any idea what a cost curve actually is, let alone how to bend it, but it sounds jargony and more technical than "cut costs," which is what they really mean.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (5f5bM)

353 gaffe, n. (gaf) 1. When a politico gets caught telling the truth

Playing satan's lawyer here, but the central crux of this guy's argument is 100% accurate. The general voter is a lamebrain...ignorant of history, unversed in current affairs, and totally obsessed with little besides Kim K's big shiny ass.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (fQXOB)

354 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (4df7R)

And you'll note he never *once* suggests sending it back to the private sector to see if the private sector could find some way to "control costs."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (kff5f)

355 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit, aka Beth at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (4df7R)


Wow, he actually is half as smart as he thinks he is. Assumptions, false choices, and factual inaccuracies are no way to go through policy discussions.


Well, actually these days it is. But one can dream.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (xSCb6)

356 24 At this point it doesn't matter. The law was rammed down our throats. It is unconstitutional as hell but traitor Roberts said it was OK.

And our congress, though controlled by Republicans will do nothing about it and even if they tried Barky the turd would veto it.

---

I guess removing or ignoring the Constitutional protections created by the Founders has consequences.

Posted by: despair at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (dcY7v)

357 Heh, Gruber was speaking at Holy Cross, where my wife taught for almost a decade. I wonder if he realized how many of those kids have Cape houses to go to in the summer due to their parents being doctors.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (2cS/G)

358 Their frustration must know no bounds.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (oKE6c)

***************************
Hence the need for the FCC to regulate the Internet like a public utility.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (5f5bM)

359
Me too. The difference is math and science (real science, not bullshit "science") is complicated, and often not within intuitive reach.

Social science is generally just the opposite, and its practitioners generally suffer from galloping intellectual penis envy, so they adopt a convoluted and inaccessible argot to make their pronouncements seem profound. The social science literature is the apotheosis of this effect.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (oKE6c)




This I believe, but I usually just summarize their "sciences" as psychobabble.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (txvbW)

360 [Gregory Peck and Steve Gutenberg in the same movie? O.M.G.]

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2014 02:01 PM (JO9+V)


You're welcome.

Posted by: The Stonecutters at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (lN8KC)

361 Yes, the hardcore feminists want that specific genetic distinction, giving them full use of the class distinction arguments.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 01:57 PM (L2xDv)


Genetics? Can we even mention genetics any more? I thought heredity was a social construct. That's why I'm teaching my golden retriever calculus.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:09 PM (oKE6c)

362 This place runs almost as smoothly as Healthcare dot gov.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:09 PM (qRuG2)

363
well, that excerpt (from the "new" video?) from Gruber is a good illustration of this "economist"'s economic illiteracy.

Gee, nobody knows how to lower costs? Really, airhead? How about the only way costs have ever been - and always been - lowered, on this planet, with humans, engaged in trade and commerce and services?

Uh huh. Competition and innovation. End of story. Health insurance finance has been made into a frankenstein by disconnecting prices from consumbers. Duh. By state govt. interference, by federal govt. interference. There is absolutely nothing about health care or its finance that doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other market for private goods.

Oh - and the bit about doctors not making more than professors a while back? WTF? Hey, idiot, look at the compensation for academics (from K thru university) over the last 50 years. Now compare that to physicians' incomes. Which one has grown nearly vertically - in fact, a key driver of the single worst inflationary sub-sector in the American economy, that of university "education"? Uh huh.

THIS is what I was talking about. Utterly illiterate as to both general principles and specifics of the sector under discussion. And idiots like THIS have any place at any serious table to discuss ANY serious topic?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (afQnV)

364 This is driving me nuts!

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (sj3Ax)

365 Playing satan's lawyer here, but the central crux of this guy's argument is 100% accurate. The general voter is a lamebrain...ignorant of history, unversed in current affairs, and totally obsessed with little besides Kim K's big shiny ass.
Posted by: Ezra's Equal

Actually, no. They aimed at a segment of the population, using a combination of a compilicit media, pandering Dems and lies. And it still required $500M in bribes, a party line vote at Midnight on Christmas eve and smearing anyone who dared disagree as being a nazi/racist. And this steaming pile has never achieve a plurality of support.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (Spluw)

366 >>Playing satan's lawyer here, but the central crux of this guy's argument is 100% accurate. The general voter is a lamebrain...ignorant of history, unversed in current affairs, and totally obsessed with little besides Kim K's big shiny ass.

Point of order. You can say that about the average liberal voter, not so much the average conservative voter.

Voting conservative means you need to have an understanding of history, current events, math, economics and a host of issues big enough to fill Kim Kardashian's ass. Voting liberal just means you have a Pavlovian brain that forces you to vote for a liberal when you hear words like racist, sexist, LGBT or some other victim terminology.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (g1DWB)

367 Ice cold whisky machine? Hell yeah!


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (GQ8sn)

368 So goes ebola, goes Gruber.

Posted by: Your MSM Betters at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (XzRw1)

369 I changed to Unicode for Default & last comment went through.

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (sj3Ax)

370 Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (g1DWB)

You were fast; but not fast enough.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (Spluw)

371
312
Sorry, baby, twelve Gruber videos is my limit.

Posted by: sheriff bart at November 13, 2014 01:56 PM (MtkQi)

Baby, please, I am not from Havana






http://tinyurl.com/3wn4px8

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (0FSuD)

372 This place runs almost as smoothly as Healthcare dot gov.
Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:09 PM (qRuG2)
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Heathcare dot gov login page was not displaying correctly yesterday.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (SaMXZ)

373
I guess removing or ignoring the Constitutional protections created by the Founders has consequences.

Posted by: despair at November 13, 2014 02:07 PM (dcY7v)



Especially that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of natural law, and not English common law as most people have been misled to believe.






Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (txvbW)

374 341 Free Beacon @FreeBeacon
Senior Moment: Pelosi Says She Doesn't Know Man She's Cited Several Times goo.gl/YfbMgZ via @StephenGutowski pic.twitter.com/d7GbF0X0OO

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2014 02:02 PM (ZPrif)


Rats... sinking ship....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (f0pWu)

375 Off (but it's really all the same)Topic: Russia sure seems to have airplanes to spare, all of a sudden. I know I know, it's because their version of Davis-Monthan is still all on the flight line, but still I sure wish we had those other few hundred F-22's, and the other two aircraft carriers with their air components. And, stuff. Captains, majors, maintainers, Marines. Oh, and those warheads we beat into plowshares.

That said, a front-line air superiority or fleet defense fighter is not the ideal tool for tracking antique aircraft. They're always having to break off to refuel, and we don't have any tankers anymore either. It's damn tricky flying those things "up on the step," dallying with the stall speed as little bits of contra-rotating prop fly off Bear.

Might have to put out a call for the Civil Air Patrol. Can we pay for their avgas?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (xq1UY)

376 Obviously this Gruber fellow is suffering from Repetitive Speako Disorder...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (wtvvX)

377 This I believe, but I usually just summarize their "sciences" as psychobabble.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:08 PM (txvbW)

That it certainly is. You'll probably enjoy this story. At a party back in grad school my buddy (also a scientist) was chatting up a social science chick who was researching the family or some such. When he asked her what her conclusions were, she replied that women take care of children because they enjoy it and men don't want to do it. He replied, "Hell, I could've told you that and saved you a lot of trouble."
Needless to say, he didn't get her phone number.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (oKE6c)

378 Guy Mohawk,

What different does it make, at this point?

Hillary worded it differently but my point is the same.

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (sj3Ax)

379 The guy has his arms tattooed from his wrists to at least his elbows and the most off-putting thing about him is the shirt?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 13, 2014 02:04 PM (L2xDv)


Pro tip: if he has a life-sized depiction of Kim Kardashian's ass tattooed on his bicep, don't arm-wrestle him.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (7MWCL)

380 Playing satan's lawyer here, but the central crux of this guy's argument is 100% accurate. The general voter is a lamebrain...ignorant of history, unversed in current affairs, and totally obsessed with little besides Kim K's big shiny ass.
Posted by: Ezra's Equal at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (fQXOB)


---------------------------------------------------


You're right. BUT the "stupids" still hate being called stupid. This is where Gruber fucked up.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)

381 >>You were fast; but not fast enough.

I'm not a smart man...

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (g1DWB)

382 Ice cold whisky machine? Hell yeah!

They come in pints?!

I'm getting one.

Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (kff5f)

383 Whoa, Blue Hen?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (xSCb6)

384 They aimed at a segment of the population, using a
combination of a compilicit media, pandering Dems and lies. And it still
required $500M in bribes, a party line vote at Midnight on Christmas
eve and smearing anyone who dared disagree as being a nazi/racist. And
this steaming pile has never achieve a plurality of support.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (Spluw)


So it has broad-based popular support!

Posted by: The MSM at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (oKE6c)

385 I changed to Unicode for Default & last comment went through.

Posted by: Carol at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (sj3Ax)


Hooray Carol!


Plus you got ampersands! Your Platinum Membership must have been approved.


Try making a post that contains quotation marks - like "this"

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (Rx8ML)

386 I think 5M will be the low end.

DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 3m
Obama Amnesty Plan Said to Shield 5 Million Illegals... http://drudge.tw/1xC3Yji

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (ZPrif)

387 They come in pints?!



I'm getting one.

Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (kff5f)


Looked like you could get water and soda mixed in too!

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:14 PM (GQ8sn)

388 Whoa, Blue Hen?
Posted by: Burn the Witch

Yupper.

When things are darkest, I am here to trip over the light cord. I was liberated in the great port swap of '14.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (Spluw)

389 Actually heard Karl Rove say last night in an interview on Fox regarding the Gruber deal that we should expect the GOP to pass several bills in January and February whittling at the edges of Obamacare in an attempt to make meaningful changes to the law, then a bill to repeal the entire deal, leaving just in place the improvements to health care insurance, access, etc. that the Jan. bills would enact.

He did say "repeal". I heard it with my own ears. So, obviously, repeal is being at least considered and written up. He also said that he felt the Democrats would be on board with this by that point...well, we'll see.

Nancy P probably won't remember what the ACA is at that point.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (hjTr7)

390 The conundrum with the Gruber tales is that the vast majority of whom he speaks (i.e. the stupid voters) are too stupid/lack the self-awareness to realize he is talking about *them* (see, for example, VOX and other liberals defending Gruber's comments). And as delicious as they're lack of self-awareness is re: entertainment for us who were never stupid enough to be fooled by the ACA, it also means that the stupid people will keep supporting it and Obama and the Dems, etc. Basically the status quo remains unchanged. Those who were stupid enough to keep supporting Obama after the lie of "if you like your plan you can keep your plan period) was exposed by REALITY will keep on doing so.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (GvEen)

391 Bret Baier @BretBaier 4m
Rep Nancy Pelosi: "I don't know who Gruber is" & "he didn't write the bill" -but here she is in 2009 -go to 1:13: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4514604/nancy-pelosi-mentions-jonathan-gruber-analysis

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (ZPrif)

392 I saw Satan's Lawyer open for Enslaved

MetalMania Fest, Oslo, 2008

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (7ObY1)

393 An important point needs to be made here. The MSM keeps saying that Gruber is calling All voters stupid. But that is untrue. Conservatives and Libertarians weren't falling for the BS claims made by the Obamacare pushers. These lies were told to fool the Dem voters so that they would get behind the effort for socialized medicine. So, the rubes that got lied to were Obamabots leftists, and illegal aliens that make up the base of the Dem Party.

Posted by: Capt Obvious at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (VDovR)

394 I don't *heart* people that call me stupid.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (XzRw1)

395 Looked like you could get water and soda mixed in too!


Err... why?

Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (kff5f)

396 You're right. BUT the "stupids" still hate being called stupid. This is where Gruber fucked up.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)

Yep. In fact, it's easy to appeal to the stupids by telling them that agreeing with you proves that (despite everyone else's opinion, and their own suspicions) they're actually smart. I call it the "Fredo effect."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (oKE6c)

397 Especially that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of natural law, and not English common law as most people have been misled to believe.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:11 PM (txvbW)


Except that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of the English & American common law (and plain construction of the English language), and not some Swiss philosopher's musings about "natural law".

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (lN8KC)

398
Not sure if this has been mentioned:
Under the headline Ace put up:
"Guy Who Keeps Finding Jon Gruber Videos: There's Worse Coming Today"

There is an ad on my screen that says:
"Secret discovered on page 859 of the bible."

gave me a chuckle

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (6/J77)

399 Err... why?

Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (kff5f)


Some people like to cut it?

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (GQ8sn)

400 Somewhere I read Gruber owns 12 parrots.



Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (0FSuD)

401 Nancy P probably won't remember what the ACA is at that point.

That can happen when the Botox reaches your brain.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (kff5f)

402 Pro tip: if he has a life-sized depiction of Kim Kardashian's ass tattooed on his bicep, don't arm-wrestle him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:12 PM (7MWCL)

Sigh. We should've used Kardashian's ass for Obama messaging.

Posted by: Jim Messina at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (WGcw3)

403 So, the rubes that got lied to were Obamabots leftists, and illegal aliens that make up the base of the Dem Party.

Posted by: Capt Obvious at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (VDovR)

Que?

Posted by: Juan's Lawnmowing Servicio at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (oKE6c)

404 Bending the cost curve.

1) Tort reform
2) Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines
3) Tort reform


I like tort reform.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)

405 "There is absolutely nothing about health care or its finance that
doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other
market for private goods."

Bingo.

As clearly demonstrated by the past few decades of successful cost containment -- and steady cost reduction -- in medical procedures which fall outside the scope of the government-regulated health insurance racket.

Refractive laser eye surgery, for example.

Cosmetic surgery, for another.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (noWW6)

406 "You're right. BUT the "stupids" still hate being called stupid. This is where Gruber fucked up.


Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)"



Wait, you mean some of them are actually starting to realize that Gruber was talking about them?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (xSCb6)

407 HotAir.com @hotairblog 4m
Revealed: Fourth video shows Jon Gruber discussing Dem deception on ObamaCare costs http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=312175

David Burge @iowahawkblog 7m
Once is an accident.
Twice is a coincidence.
Three times is an enemy action.
Four times is a Gruber.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (ZPrif)

408
Uh huh. Competition and innovation. End of story. Health insurance finance has been made into a frankenstein by disconnecting prices from consumbers. Duh. By state govt. interference, by federal govt. interference. There is absolutely nothing about health care or its finance that doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other market for private goods.


Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:10 PM (afQnV)




This is a point I often make. It is government interference in the Health care industry that is primarily responsible for the costs being so out of control. Because people are so disconnected from paying the actual costs themselves, there is no personal incentive on the part of most people to control or contain costs.


The idea of Medical Insurance was heavily boosted by the government trying to institute wage controls way back when. Companies tried to come up with other ways to compensate them and so they started offering medical insurance.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (txvbW)

409
Its for your own good !

We are trying to save you fools.

The ends justify the means.

Posted by: The Left at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (6/J77)

410 "Secret discovered on page 859 of the bible."

Page 859 of *which* bible? Cause that changes depending on translation, edition, printing, etc...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (kff5f)

411 Sigh. We should've used Kardashian's ass for Obama messaging.

Posted by: Jim Messina at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (WGcw3)


Houston, acknowledge your transmission.

Posted by: ISS astronauts at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (GQ8sn)

412 Meanwhile, in Australia, the environazis are . . . .

http://tinyurl.com/kpbmyjo

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (XUKZU)

413 Posted by: Dancing Queen at November 13, 2014 02:15 PM (GvEen)

Lack of self awareness, and logic.

Statement is that we had to FOOL people into supporting this Bill.

They supported this bill.

ie, they were fooled.

Conservatives did NOT support this bill...

ie, they were not fooled...


But... but ... Conservatives are Evil and Stupid! So that can't be right...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (f0pWu)

414 400 Somewhere I read Gruber owns 12 parrots.
Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (0FSuD)




Ooh, so we have the possibility that he'll show up at a press conference with a parrot on his shoulder?

Awesome.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (oKE6c)

415 So that's the worse coming?

Really, if he were against gay marriage some attention would be paid to him. Or perhaps if he thought that global warming wasn't real.

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (Rx8ML)

416 They should have put that shit down the memory hole !

Posted by: The Left at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (6/J77)

417
The parrots will need to be momory holed.

Dead parrots tell no tales

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:19 PM (6/J77)

418 It is government interference in the Health care industry that is primarily responsible for the costs being so out of control.



See also "Tuition costs, college."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (oKE6c)

419 Dead parrots tell no tales

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:19 PM (6/J77)


What about parrots which are just pining for the fjords?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (kff5f)

420 Gruber better stay out of Ft Marcy Park

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (6/J77)

421 "Secret discovered on page 859 of the bible."

-
The Let There Be Light Personal Home Cold Fusion Reactor?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (XUKZU)

422 "Somewhere I read Gruber owns 12 parrots.

Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit."



Nah, I think it's just evidence that he's psychologically damaged from knowing he's a fraud and hoarding pets is his coping mechanism

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (xSCb6)

423 Gruber better stay out of Ft Marcy Park

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:20 PM (6/J77)


Naa. Damage is done. If anything, he's doing the right thing by going to ground and not making it worse.

Well "right thing" from their perspective.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (kff5f)

424 Meanwhile, in Australia, the environazis are . . . .

http://tinyurl.com/kpbmyjo
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (XUKZU)

LOL! What a bunch of asses in the photos.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (hjTr7)

425 I like tort reform.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)


Me too, but not gonna happen. Check out opensecrets.org. The American Trial Lawyers Association is one of the biggest donors to the Dems. That kind of money buys a shitload of protection.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:21 PM (oKE6c)

426 Parrots live for over 80 years. Long past their owners. They really shouldn't be pets

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (zOTsN)

427
Braaak, Braak, dumbass voters Dumdass Voters

Braaak, Braak, you promised not in my mouth

Posted by: 12 Parrots at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (6/J77)

428 So a web search shows NO wife for Gruber and he has a nice ghey haircut.



I say Ghey. It's doesn't mean you are a bad person, unless you own 12 fucking parrots.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (0FSuD)

429 Lemme see.

Pelosi is a liar?
Pelosi belongs in a straight jacket?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi not only did not read the bill, but had no idea who wrote the bill?
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.
Pelosi is a liar.

---

And will be re-elected unanimously.

Posted by: despair at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (dcY7v)

430 Err... why?
Posted by: Meriadoc Brandybuck


Some people like to cut it?




I'll bet they are the same people who like to cut their coke and heroin too.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (g2T/X)

431 If Pelosi had a semi-massive stroke today, would anyone notice the difference?

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (oJNGo)

432 "Somewhere I read Gruber owns 12 parrots.Something fucked up about that. If he's not married, he is ghey as shit."Nah, I think it's just evidence that he's psychologically damaged from knowing he's a fraud and hoarding pets is his coping mechanism

It's an example of cost containment in action. This is my field of study, you dumb voters you.....And at night, I watch them..........flock.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (Spluw)

433
Nancy P probably won't remember what the ACA is at that point.

---

The botox doctor probably pushed the needle in too deep

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (ZkzmI)

434 Screw parrots. Canaries are more useful.

Posted by: Coal Miner at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (Mv/2X)

435 The American Trial Lawyers Association is one of the biggest donors to the Dems. That kind of money buys a shitload of protection.

Sure. So the best a Republican Conservative Federal Government could do is "officially" relegate Health Care to the States (where it should be anyway).

The Trial Lawyers don't get nearly as much love from State Legislatures. See also: Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (kff5f)

436 Like I said, Gruber is the gift that keeps on giving. The 'Rats will wish to make him disappear like that commissar standing next to Stalin. Keep leaking it on the Net, the LSM will have to cover the story just to run denials or cover, the more the better!

Gruber + Obummer Amnesty = Roast Lame Duck

Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:23 PM (/mTq0)

437 >>Me too, but not gonna happen. Check out opensecrets.org. The American Trial Lawyers Association is one of the biggest donors to the Dems. That kind of money buys a shitload of protection.

Yea, depressing. But to claim that nobody knows how to contain health care costs when answers are so blazingly obvious is maddening. And I didn't even go to MIT.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (g1DWB)

438
Not today, but yesterday here saw repeated the critical non-fact that there were around 30 million uninsured.

* Only financially, voluntarily "uninsured" even matter as a concern of public policy

* The numbers in that category are a small fraction of 30 million - possibly as low as 5 - 8 million, based on Census and other real data

* Any increase in "coverage" under the disastrous ACA is merely an expansion of Medicaid - nothing new, and nothing positive, for many reasons

* There was never the slightest justification for doing anything more than handing out vouchers to the 5 - 8 million involuntarily financially uninsured to buy existing plans - exactly the approach taken as part of the "safety net" for food (food stamps) and housing (Sec 8 vouchers).

* Even the pre-existing condition nonsense is baseless. First, "covering" pre-existing conditions is not insurance, it's welfare - which is fine, but needs to be accurately described in order to address properly. Second, there already has been large-scale experimentation with high-risk pools etc, most of which have been failures. In any case it's a statistically and financially tiny sub-set of the population, "solving" that issue should not materially affect the overall picture.

But these are just f***ing obvious, basic considerations. Can't expect them to enter the public debate, even from "opponents" of disastrous unconstitutional unsustainable socialized health care finance.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (afQnV)

439
Braaak, Braak,Flok amerikka

Posted by: 12 Parrots at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (6/J77)

440 Somewhere I read Gruber owns 12 parrots


Hell, subpoena the fucking parrots too. Who knows what phrases they picked up?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (oKE6c)

441 Meanwhile, in Australia, the environazis are . . . .



http://tinyurl.com/kpbmyjo

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:18 PM (XUKZU)


Lookit all the assholes! Literally, lol.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (7MWCL)

442 Obviously this Gruber fellow is suffering from Repetitive Speako Disorder...

-
The Soviets had mental hospitals for such people.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (XUKZU)

443 "Russia sure seems to have airplanes to spare, all of a sudden. I know I
know, it's because their version of Davis-Monthan is still all on the
flight line"

Ukraine have a completely intact Tu-95 that they have left over from the Soviet years, which the Russians forgot to take home. For sale to highest bidder! Special deal! Airworthiness, maintenance, spares, um, well, those are the bidder's problem.

"That said, a front-line air
superiority or fleet defense fighter is not the ideal tool for tracking
antique aircraft. They're always having to break off to refuel, and we
don't have any tankers anymore either."

There is a trend to build mini-AWACs aircraft out of bizjets. I have argued in the past for making armed patrol aircraft in the same way. There will be a ton of older smaller regional jets coming out of airline service soon, with plenty of life left in the frames. 200-series Canadairs and what have you.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (noWW6)

444
Except that one about "natural born citizen" which is a function of the English & American common law (and plain construction of the English language), and not some Swiss philosopher's musings about "natural law".

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:16 PM (lN8KC)


You are mistaken. You may not believe this, but that book "Droit des gens" appears to have launched the American Revolution.


Look up "The rights of the British colonies asserted and proved" by James Otis.


That book triggered the US War of independence. From 1765 onward, that book stirred the entire nation. It put forth new ideas of which few others had previously contemplated.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (txvbW)

445 160 Has anyone seen a copy of that comic book he's holding?
I would imagine he wrote a lot more lies in it. Simplifying the ACA for the serfs, yo!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 01:35 PM (ABcz/)


I ordered it a while back from Amazon (3rd party sellers only) - it's a pathetic pile of crap.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (PZ6/M)

446 Lookit all the assholes! Literally, lol.
-------------------------


More assholes than ISIS after the call to prayer.

Posted by: Roy at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (VndSC)

447 406
"You're right. BUT the "stupids" still hate being called stupid. This is where Gruber fucked up.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:13 PM (oJNGo)"
Wait, you mean some of them are actually starting to realize that Gruber was talking about them?
=============
Yes, precisely, and the stupid people don't like it.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (/mTq0)

448 Gruber is right you infidels. You're a bunch of dumbasses. And I mean that in the most jihadi of ways.

Posted by: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (WGcw3)

449 Speaking of parrots, I always liked the part in Robinson Crusoe where ol' Robinson imagines being finally rescued, and his parrot, because they have very long lives, staying behind and calling out his name for many years to come once he's left the island. "Oh Robinson Crusoe, poor Robinson Crusoe..."

Don't know exactly why but I always liked that part.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (7ObY1)

450 428 So a web search shows NO wife for Gruber and he has a nice ghey haircut.



I say Ghey. It's doesn't mean you are a bad person, unless you own 12 fucking parrots.


Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2014 02:22 PM (0FSuD)


More importantly he has no children... thus, like Keynes, another economist who had no children... his economic philosophy is not to build for the future, but to take what you can get today...

So putting future generations in debt? or bondage? No big deal... because HE has no descendants who will pay that price.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2014 02:25 PM (f0pWu)

451 So gang, how are we doing on avoiding use of the 'F' word?

Posted by: The good language fairy (no, I don't own a parrot) at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (Spluw)

452
Looks like its time for Barka "Lounger" Obama to create a new scandal with immigration.

if the MSN starts pushing this he will "Pivot"

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (6/J77)

453 If Pelosi had a semi-massive stroke today, would anyone notice the difference?

It happened to Hillary and Biden. Can you tell a difference?

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (Rx8ML)

454 Parrots are fucking expensive. There's a reason why they don't give them out as prizes at church festivals. This guy is typical limousine liberal for sure.

Posted by: Filly at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (ZWmKk)

455 So gang, how are we doing on avoiding use of the 'F' word?

I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (kff5f)

456 So gang, how are we doing on avoiding use of the 'F' word?
Posted by: The good language fairy



How the fuck would I know?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (g2T/X)

457 I read somewhere he has a wife and kids IIRC

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (6/J77)

458 It's rather selfish to own a bunch of parrots with no thought to how they will fare after your death

Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (zOTsN)

459 Seems like CNN has more detail: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/politics/tapper-gruber/index.html

Posted by: DrSteve at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (wwKgz)

460 >>>Page 859 of *which* bible? Cause that changes depending on translation, edition, printing, etc...

You wOn't *believe* wHat Odd tRicK this HOUSEwife used to DisCover which BibLe is Teh Correct!

Posted by: Nerd Stark at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (3ZtZW)

461 453 If Pelosi had a semi-massive stroke today, would anyone notice the difference?
It happened to Hillary and Biden. Can you tell a difference?
Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (Rx8ML)




Slight cognitive improvement, but within experimental error.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (oKE6c)

462 451 So gang, how are we doing on avoiding use of the 'F' word?
Posted by: The good language fairy (no, I don't own a parrot) at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (Spluw)

You can't use the word that rhymes with rap now?

Posted by: CDR M at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (WGcw3)

463 So gang, how are we doing on avoiding use of the 'F' word?
Posted by: The good language fairy (no, I don't own a parrot) at November 13, 2014 02:26 PM (Spluw)

Fuck, fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 13, 2014 02:28 PM (fwARV)

464 Hehe....Michelle Fields twitterslaps Seth McFarlane..



http://tinyurl.com/npfcown



And she was in high school at the time!


Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (GQ8sn)

465 "Nah, I think it's just evidence that he's psychologically damaged
from knowing he's a fraud and hoarding pets is his coping mechanism"

"Parrots live for over 80 years. Long past their owners. They really shouldn't be pets"

Clearly, he wants a captive audience for the rest of his life who will only repeat what he tells them. That's fucking Norman Bates territory.

Posted by: Df82 at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (d6Wn7)

466 So gang, how are we doing on avoiding use of the 'F' word?

If it wasn't for the daily news of some fresh new hell....

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (zauWW)

467
12 is my limit

Posted by: Schnitzen Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (6/J77)

468 I like the irony of this assclown whining about how much money doctors are making while he is pulling in a professor's salary at the most prestigious technical institute in the country and getting $400K for a couple years work "consulting" for Obama.

Talk about tone deaf.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (g1DWB)

469 I work for a State Agency. We recently had a webinar on the 2014 open enrollment season and how our Agency can and should assist our clients in registering for Obamacare. The desperation on the part of the presenters was pretty obvious, even to Obamacare supporters. I think HHS knows it is in danger of failing.

Posted by: State drone at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (hlIt+)

470
Tort reform helps, and is worth doing, but it's not the major driver of costs.

Name any other major service consumed by the public where they don't know the cost of what they consume. Hell, the "providers" often don't even know the cost of what they provide.

THIS is the North Korean insanity created by disconnecting prices from consumers (both final and intermediate consumers).

Simply removing the barriers to real health insurance (which still existed not that long ago, and was not even a major cost issue for most) would "create" such bounty that "covering" the uninsured would be a trifle. End state-level cartel dynamics, end mandates, remove other regulator barriers to entry and competition, watch in amazement.

Some here may remember what air travel was like (cost, density of services, etc.) prior to deregulation, vs. after. The difference in health care finance would be just as dramatic.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (afQnV)

471 If Nancy Pelosi was your grandmother, you'd be giving her senility tests and spoon-feeding her tapioca.

Posted by: --- at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (MMC8r)

472 /sock

Posted by: Bigby's Grenade Pin Puller at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (3ZtZW)

473 Clearly, he wants a captive audience for the
rest of his life who will only repeat what he tells them.


Posted by: Df82 at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (d6Wn7)

He uses them to practice for encounters with the MSM.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (oKE6c)

474 The Soviets had mental hospitals for such people.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (XUKZU)


------------------------------------------


No. The Soviets had a post in front of a bullet-riddled wall for those people.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (oJNGo)

475 I read somewhere he has a wife and kids IIRC

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2014 02:27 PM (6/J77)


Hey! A guy can never have enough hostages.

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (7MWCL)

476 Follow me, children, to the new post

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (ZkzmI)

477 McFarlane has decent taste at least

Posted by: thathalfrican at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (R5HRU)

478 If Nancy Pelosi was your grandmother, you'd be giving her senility tests and spoon-feeding her tapioca.

Uh, no. I'm going with ice floe.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 13, 2014 02:31 PM (Spluw)

479 358
Their frustration must know no bounds.




Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:06 PM (oKE6c)

***************************
Hence the need for the FCC to regulate the Internet like a public utility.
---------------------
True that. The FCC can at least impede the 1st Amendment on the Net the same way they do it with radio and TV.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (/mTq0)

480 >>"There is absolutely nothing about health care or its finance that

doesn't lend itself to the cost-containment dynamics seen in every other

market for private goods."

And yet we have people who have declared that health care is a human right, expecting healthcare workers and hospitals to magically provide their goods and services for free.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (ABcz/)

481 Is it the Tapper video or this November 2009 gem from Nancy "Gruber? I never knew 'er." Pelosi (go to 1:11 for the money shot, courtesy Conn Carroll via Hot Air):

http://cs.pn/1xSHZ68

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (cL79m)

482 I hope Weinstein has some kind of protection- if only unofficial because someone needs to be watching his back.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (QlprU)

483
Parrot Tiddies.

Pair a titties.


Anybody can make that mistake Mr Gruber.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (u+S6D)

484 You are mistaken. You may not believe this, but that book "Droit des gens" appears to have launched the American Revolution.

Look up "The rights of the British colonies asserted and proved" by James Otis.

That book triggered the US War of independence. From 1765 onward, that book stirred the entire nation. It put forth new ideas of which few others had previously contemplated.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (txvbW)


They were defending their English rights. Those inalienable rights that they enjoyed under English common law.

Philosophical tract may have motivated them, but the common law is enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (lN8KC)

485
JackStraw - it's way beyond irony (as so much has been now, for so long). As I noted above, "education" inflation has outpaced every other measurable sector in the US for decades. By a good margin.

State drone - glad to hear it. Now witness my sullend desperation trying to figure out if I can again have insurance after a year of going naked ....

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (afQnV)

486

THIS is the North Korean insanity created by disconnecting prices from consumers (both final and intermediate consumers).

Simply removing the barriers to real health insurance (which still existed not that long ago, and was not even a major cost issue for most) would "create" such bounty that "covering" the uninsured would be a trifle. End state-level cartel dynamics, end mandates, remove other regulator barriers to entry and competition, watch in amazement.


Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2014 02:30 PM (afQnV)



Once again, exactly right.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (txvbW)

487 >>I ordered it a while back from Amazon (3rd party sellers only) - it's a pathetic pile of crap.

Just checked out Amazon's "see inside the book" and wow, it is crap! Especially loved how the people with good health care a white, and then there's poor Carlos. Must stir up class and race tensions.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:34 PM (ABcz/)

488 "Hehe....Michelle Fields twitterslaps Seth McFarlane.."


Maybe if Mary Landrieu were an 80's pop culture reference, he might have heard of her.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (xSCb6)

489 Is this Jonathan Gruber related to Hans Gruber because I really have a bone to pick with that family.

Posted by: John McClain at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (y67bA)

490 And yet we have people who have declared that health care is a human right, expecting healthcare workers and hospitals to magically provide their goods and services for free.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2014 02:32 PM (ABcz/)

This is being constantly drummed into young people from grade school up. Health care is a right,marriage is a right, education is a right, well paying jobs are a right, living wages are a right, sex is a right, contraception is a right, abortion is a right, transportation is a right,....

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (hjTr7)

491 Weinstein versus Gruber..

Jew on Jew violence!

Posted by: TexasJew at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (mndtc)

492 If Nancy Pelosi was your grandmother, you'd be giving her senility tests and spoon-feeding her tapioca.>>>

Since I would likely be a Dem if she was my grandma I'd be lobbying to get her in front of a death panel so I could get my inheritance early.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (Mxs5H)

493 Nood.

Posted by: EC at November 13, 2014 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)

494 This is being constantly drummed into young people
from grade school up. Health care is a right,marriage is a right,
education is a right, well paying jobs are a right, living wages are a
right, sex is a right, contraception is a right, abortion is a right,
transportation is a right,....

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:36 PM (hjTr7)


Corresponding duties? Crickets.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (oKE6c)

495 hat book triggered the US War of independence. From 1765 onward, that book stirred the entire nation. It put forth new ideas of which few others had previously contemplated.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:24 PM (txvbW)

MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)

496 Is this Jonathan Gruber related to Hans Gruber because I really have a bone to pick with that family.

Posted by: John McClain at November 13, 2014 02:35 PM (y67bA)


We are a big, happy family, or at least we were until you came along.

Posted by: Simon Peter Gruber at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (cL79m)

497 Tapper article suggests video is linked at C-Span here: http://www.c-span.org/video/?292478-1/health-care-reform

Posted by: DrSteve at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (wwKgz)

498 Penn vs Penn State:
Different size
Different physical plant
Same wretched defective product output

Still want to know: did NSA have something on Roberts or is he just a nincompoop.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (0atFl)

499
For years the conservative cabal prevented me from having my cooter Brazilian waxed to make it light and fluffy, but with ObamaCare, I now have unlimited access to VagFluff and Wash, the most comprehensive lady part care program ever devised. Thank you President Obama for loving my vag.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (3/wAJ)

500 Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2014 02:29 PM (g1DWB)


Exactly, this guy is dubiously claiming that surgeons were middle class in the 50s, but where in hell does he think professors were in the 50s? Retrograde class envy from an upper class beneficiary of government largess is just fucking weird.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 13, 2014 02:40 PM (xSCb6)

501 They were defending their English rights. Those inalienable rights that they enjoyed under English common law.

Philosophical tract may have motivated them, but the common law is enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:33 PM (lN8KC)


Corruption of blood? Eternal Allegiance to the Crown? Debtor's Prison? The Anglican Church? Cruel and Unusual punishment?



No, we tossed out a lot of English law concepts because they were completely incompatible with the principles for which this nation was founded.


Foremost among them was this theory that the King owned you from the moment of your birth simply because you were born on his land.


This policy makes perfect sense for a MONARCHY. It is Idiocy squared for a Republic.


I will point out that there were over 100,000 children born to British Loyalists after July 4, 1776. Both the US Government and the English Crown recognized them as British subjects despite the fact they were born on American soil.


I will also point out that James Madison's very own government refused to recognize the US Citizenship of a man born in Charleston South Carolina after 1776 because his father had not yet been naturalized. (The Man's name was James McClure.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (txvbW)

502 Still want to know: did NSA have something on Roberts or is he just a nincompoop.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 13, 2014 02:39 PM (0atFl)


Yes.

Posted by: steveegg at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (cL79m)

503 Could the next Goober video show him calling for the rationing of birth control pills to Sandra Fluke?

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 13, 2014 02:43 PM (w+5ie)

504 Just wait until Obama gets back from Asia and reads about this in the newspapers! E.J. Dionne will help us appreciate that none of us are more incensed than Obama is over this unexpected outbreak of Truthbola! Then the President will start kicking ass at the Center for Deception Control.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 02:44 PM (Bn9/M)

505 I meant to say "Center for Deceit Control" - much better.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 02:45 PM (Bn9/M)

506 I am loving this. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at November 13, 2014 02:47 PM (dMEBN)

507 272
The main takeaway from the midterms is this:



The conservatarian "alternative" newsstream managed to defeat the MSM.



This is a major social earthquake.



We have not been able to unseat the Gramscian cryptocommunists who
have taken over almost the entirely of the mainstream media, and so they
retain an iron grip on it, with the attendant water-carrying for Obama,
embargoing of stories that hurt the liberal cause, and constant
relentless "framing the narrative" from a Marxist vantage point.



However, we've created or acquiring or amplified so many alternate
streams that a significant proportion of the electorate "got the
message" anyway (i.e. perceived current events through a conservatarian
filter).



Thus, the Gruber story CAN'T be embargoed by the MSM. They no longer hold the information monopoly.
----------------------------------------------
Actually the first big win was pantsing "Gunga Dan" Rather on trying to make up stuff on Dubya back in '04. That was heap big scalp for the Conservative Alternative Media (CAM), and the LSM has yet to acknowledge it in public.

Now, I will say that most of the Democrat failure this year was due to Obummer, and some lame 'Rat election strategery. However it was the LSM to point it out, but they had already thrown away their objectivity to be shills guards for Obummer. So CAM stepped in to do the job for them, and remind everyone every day what a mess Obummer and his Congressional lackeys had made, and how they could not be trusted to do the job right. CAM got a break this time since Obummer seems to have stopped caring if his party can win another election with or without his help, but repetition on a theme can help a lot. And compared to the LSM standard propaganda, now wearing thin due to 6 years of bad results, the CAM allegations getting picked up drew attention, and comparison to how things were in The World, as opposed to inside the Beltway.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 13, 2014 02:49 PM (/mTq0)

508 Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:41 PM (txvbW)

Habeas corpus? 7th Amendment? It was from the Common Law that these derive. There was reformation and codification of many of the common law rights and precepts, but they nonetheless were not created ex nihilo

http://tinyurl.com/m7o7nep

MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)


Paine was a proto-socialist who supported the idea of a Welfare state as well as the Reign of Terror. Yuval Levin talks about this in "The Great Debate"

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (lN8KC)

509
MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)


According to Samuel Adams, it was James Otis that first lit the fires of revolution by his oratory in the trial on the "writs of assistance."



I'm looking for the quote.





Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (txvbW)

510
MMm, I thought it was Common Sense by Thomas Paine. And it's not like everyone in the colonies was literate.

Posted by: Jen at November 13, 2014 02:38 PM (hjTr7)



Only the people that mattered.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:51 PM (txvbW)

511 Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39 PM (txvbW)
D-Lamp 2016.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2014 01:41 PM (oKE6c)

Ditto!!

Posted by: Dandolo at November 13, 2014 02:52 PM (0XBx+)

512

Gruber on climate science.

Posted by: Raspail at November 13, 2014 02:53 PM (Xv7f/)

513 459 Seems like CNN has more detail:...

Do they explain how it is that the fourth video is the first one they have covered? To their core airport gate viewership they don't have to, I guess.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2014 02:56 PM (Bn9/M)

514
Habeas corpus? 7th Amendment? It was from the Common Law that these derive. There was reformation and codification of many of the common law rights and precepts, but they nonetheless were not created ex nihilo

http://tinyurl.com/m7o7nep


Posted by: The Political Hat at November 13, 2014 02:50 PM (lN8KC)



It is unquestionable that much of our legal dogma comes from English law, but we explicitly excluded those components of English law that were incompatible with our newly founded principles.


Among these, first and foremost is the idea that you owe perpetual allegiance to the King if you are born on his land.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 02:57 PM (txvbW)

515 "I repeatedly say that the number one duty of the next administration needs to be putting this current group in jail, to include their donors and supporters.

We need some fucking carnage going on in the left wing monied circles.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 13, 2014 01:39


---

Dream on. The deterrent effect of Mutual Assured Destruction will make sure it never happens.

It was not just luck that Holder never prosecuted Cheney, Bush, Yoo et.al., for "war crimes" despite the braying of their base.

The Attorney General who prosecutes the opposing party would just be putting his own head in the noose come the next election.


Posted by: Raspail at November 13, 2014 02:59 PM (Xv7f/)

516 Is the next revelation that MacGruber dropped acid before writing the first draft?

Posted by: MacGruber wrote Obamacare at November 13, 2014 03:01 PM (nlQae)

517 "Still want to know: did NSA have something on Roberts or is he just a nincompoop."

---

It's the adoptions, I'm tellin' ya.

Posted by: Int at November 13, 2014 03:02 PM (Xv7f/)

518 To be honest the only reason I don't buy the adoption blackmail is that all Roberts would have to do is name names on who presented the blackmail to him and the whole thing would fall apart.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at November 13, 2014 03:17 PM (TX0oT)

519 I did not kiss it. I did have my lips on it, a few times and for a long time. I understand why anyone seeing the video would think that I was kissing it, but no, I did not kiss it per se.

Posted by: Grubey Baby at November 13, 2014 03:18 PM (kfcYC)

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