Meet the Guy Who's Single-Handedly Doing All of the Media's Jobs for Them

The Man Who Actually Listens to Jon Gruber's Conferences.

Rich Weinstein is not a reporter. He does not have a blog. Until this week, the fortysomething's five-year old Twitter account had a follower count in the low double digits.

"I'm an investment advisor," Weinstein tells me from his home near Philadelphia. "I'm a nobody. I’m the guy who lives in his mom's basement wearing a tinfoil hat." (He's joking about the mom and the tinfoil.)

He's also behind a series of scoops that could convince the Supreme Court to dismantle part of the Affordable Care Act. Weinstein has absorbed hours upon hours of interviews with Jonathan Gruber, an MIT professor who advised the Massachusetts legislature when it created "Romneycare" and the Congress when it created "Obamacare"...


The story metastasized when Penn briefly pulled the original video. Jonathan Adler, one of the attorneys in the anti-subsidy cases, was among the people tweeting about the apparent censorship until Penn restored the video. Gruber himself crawled out of view, refusing to comment when reporters asked about his newly discovered argument that the ACA was "designed to dupe a gullible American public." Even Snopes.com waded in, attempting to debunk the conservative theory that an Ivy League school was trying to hide a damaging gaffe that could hurt the legal case for the ACA.

Weinstein, back at home, was stunned at the reaction. Why did he keep finding Gruber gaffes? Why didn't the press glom onto this stuff first?

"It's terrifying that the guy in his mom's basement is finding his stuff, and nobody else is," he says. "I really do find this disturbing."

Ah, Snopes.

I've left out the part about his motive. Click the link to find that.

Keith Hennessey has a good post about Gruber's bracing honesty about his serial lying.

Apparently Dr. Gruber thinks it’s OK to lie to American voters when his allies are in power to enact policies that he wants but the voters wouldn’t. He then says American voters are “stupid” both for not agreeing with his value choices and for not figuring out the deception.

I disagree.

When you strip away all the complexity, economic policy is ultimately an expression of elected officials making difficult value choices. If over time these officials make value choices that do not reflect the values of the people whom they represent, they can, should, and will be replaced.

When these same elected officials, and those who advise them, deliberately construct policies to hide value choices that would be unpopular were they transparent and explicit, we end up with two terrible outcomes. We get policies that do not reflect our values, and we re-elect representatives who are lying to us.

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1 How long before the drug wars spill over to this thread?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 11, 2014 02:23 PM (QBm1P)

2 first? you kidding?

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 11, 2014 02:27 PM (ZALPg)

3 Snopes has really shit on it's reputation in the Obama years.

I honestly used to think of Snopes a relatively unbiased source.

But once again we see that all institutions go prog over time, unless explicitly conservative.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 02:53 PM (ZPrif)

4 Dude's a hero. I hope his taxes are in order.

Follow him on Twitter at phillyrich1


Posted by: Y-not at November 11, 2014 02:54 PM (9BRsg)

5 We get policies that do not reflect our values, and we re-elect representatives who are lying to us.

--

Works for me.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 11, 2014 02:54 PM (ZPrif)

6 Great - so now the guy will have the combined forces of the media and the IRS against him.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 11, 2014 02:55 PM (2ePOO)

7 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 02:55 PM (kff5f)

8 so is snopes getting the proper ration of shit for their lefty bullshit?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 11, 2014 02:55 PM (/ggyL)

9 Sometimes the mask slips.

Sometimes they are so arrogant that they willfully take it off.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 11, 2014 02:55 PM (V70Uh)

10 It helps if you think of yourself as 'the chicken.'

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at November 11, 2014 02:56 PM (4CVLy)

11 same media fawning over obama's books didn't know he ate dog. You got to wonder what else is hiding in plain sight. Like did obama refuse to call benghazi a terror attack?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 11, 2014 02:56 PM (/ggyL)

12 This also shows there's value there on the Right for enterprising activists to record and transcribe Prog events at academic and think tank venues.

These people really do say a lot of crazy stuff in public that never makes it out of the campus auditorium, cause nobody was there to record it. Or, even worse, nobody ever bothered to watch the youtube video.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 02:56 PM (ZPrif)

13 I hope he has some good IT pro checking his computer periodically...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2014 02:56 PM (f0pWu)

14 Snopes really went to town on the sack-o-dicks back in 2008, and never recovered.

Posted by: wooga at November 11, 2014 02:57 PM (dUBcN)

15 I imagine he's already gotten the 3am phone call from the WH.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 02:57 PM (zi2gL)

16 When these same elected officials, and those who advise them,

deliberately construct policies to hide value choices that would be

unpopular were they transparent and explicit, we end up with two

terrible outcomes. We get policies that do not reflect our values, and

we re-elect representatives who are lying to us.


I don't see a problem here.

Posted by: Same Sex 'Marriage' at November 11, 2014 02:57 PM (NUCTk)

17 Ah, Snopes...again.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2014 02:57 PM (EMR/k)

18 The 20-25% or so of us who bitterly cling to a section of the bell curve were not deceived at all about any of this from the very beginning.

Posted by: Gimme back my style guide. at November 11, 2014 02:57 PM (ypggQ)

19 Is it because the media are in the business of deciding what we should and shouldn't know?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 02:58 PM (Rx8ML)

20 Snopes is more reliable than Wikipedia, but only marginally so on some topics. They're like any fact checking news column: okay on some stuff, generally accurate in many areas, but their conclusions often hedge the definition of "true" or "false" and they lean left.

I am mostly annoyed with people who treat Snopes like the voice of God with perfect accuracy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 02:58 PM (39g3+)

21 Yes; Hope and Change mafia will soon be coming after him if they haven't started already.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 02:59 PM (QlprU)

22 S-P---E-A-K-O.

S-P---E-A-K-O.

S-P---E-A-K-O.

And Gruber was his Name-O.

Posted by: Ol' SCOAMF at November 11, 2014 02:59 PM (nlPax)

23 I really liked Mr. Weinstein's LOTR series, but didn't much
care for his last Hobbit entry.

Posted by: The Desolation of Smug at November 11, 2014 02:59 PM (CYS6Q)

24 Snopes link?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (0FSuD)

25 Sometimes the mask slips.Sometimes they are so arrogant that they willfully take it off.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 11, 2014 02:55 PM (V70Uh)


--------------------------------------------


They've been blatantly de-masking since 2012. They thought they had it. They thought they had grasped the ring.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (zi2gL)

26 How long before the drug wars spill over to this thread?

A governor's signature makes them all totes safe, dude. Now persecute the beer drinkers!!

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (ZKzrr)

27 Snopes is about as reliable as wikipedia now when it comes to hot button political issues -- they always back the Left, and will do so until the weight of evidence in insurmountable -- or until the crisis has passed and the truth can be admitted.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (ZPrif)

28 You asked for a miracle?

I give you the A-C-A

-

Posted by: Hans at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4CVLy)

29 What really pisses me off is that many of us were saying this all along. Anyone who has any experience with insurance or risk polls or who just had a lick of commonsense knew that the left was lying about the costs of Obamacare.

Oh course we were just ignorant wingnuts back in the bad old days.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (g1DWB)

30 Snopes has really shit on it's reputation in the Obama years.
I honestly used to think of Snopes a relatively unbiased source.


Snopes has sucked on Obola from the get go.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4Ofi/)

31 Someone should find Gruber and rip his arms from the sockets. Slowly.

Posted by: Me Tarzan at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (XzRw1)

32 Wanted to post this on the previous thread, but we can argue all day long about how potentially dangerous pot may be (at least for some), but the Mountain Dew is out of the bottle now, and states realize how much filthy lucre there is to be gained by the sales of legal weed. Thirty or forty years ago, they realized this with lotteries, and probably in another decade or two, prostitution will be legalized for the same reason....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (EMR/k)

33 You know, as vile and boring as it is to listen to leftists blather on about their stupid crap, it is worth it. Trust me - they can't shut up about how clever they are with their lies and deceit. Take Lena Dunham for example...

Posted by: Rightous Retribution at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (/EkKm)

34 His commentary about the "stupidity" of the American people really grates me considering the American people were yelling HELL NO! and were completely ignored.

We saw right though the smoke and mirrors. We aren't stupid, you're corrupt, Mr Gruber.

Posted by: Lauren at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (BPMYx)

35 The ACA created or saved millions of insured people!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (39g3+)

36 The Cob-logger in last Sunday's book thread who mentioned G. K. Chesterton's 'Heretic' something something mumble mumble an award.

The opening paragraphs describe modern 'progressives' and it was written a hunert and five years ago.

The progressive policies that were failing then, are still failing now and that is some new definition of 'progress'.

Odd, what?

Posted by: Gimme back my style guide. at November 11, 2014 03:02 PM (ypggQ)

37 Gotta check the hot sheets...

Posted by: Men In Black at November 11, 2014 03:02 PM (VndSC)

38

the answer is obvious

Rich Weinstein must be destroyed

let the audit begin

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:02 PM (zOTsN)

39 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at November 11, 2014 03:03 PM (kFxpe)

40 What really pisses me off is that many of us were saying this all along. Anyone who has any experience with insurance or risk polls or who just had a lick of commonsense knew that the left was lying about the costs of Obamacare.

I think my favorite one was when my English Major, Library Cataloger brother assured me he understood more about ObamaCare than I did.

I think my credentials in the insurance industry are pretty well known on the blog.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:03 PM (kff5f)

41 This guy is great - the power of a single citizen to change the narrative.
THIS is why Obama wants more control of the internet.
Mustn't let regular citizens dig up inconvenient clips and quotes.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2014 03:03 PM (ABcz/)

42

ohh

Jeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:03 PM (zOTsN)

43 Gruber, Gruber, wasn't he the villain in one of the Die Hard movies?

Posted by: Gimme back my style guide. at November 11, 2014 03:04 PM (ypggQ)

44 When the lyin-libs cry that dismantling ObamaCare is going to kill millions of people, we can say "Good! - you guys lied, people died. GFY."

Posted by: Roy at November 11, 2014 03:04 PM (VndSC)

45 Wonder Twin Powers ACTIVATE!

Form of an IRS comprehensive audit!

Shape of a Federal Investigation!

Posted by: Lois Lerner and Eric Holder at November 11, 2014 03:04 PM (4CVLy)

46 Daddy, what is a SCOAMT?

Posted by: Malia Obama at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (sDapq)

47 Gruber spoke to MSNBC, the Mia Farrow show and said the following:
http://tinyurl.com/kotgm83
--Gruber: The comments were made at an academic conference, I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (ZPrif)

48 But seriously, why not lie? They lie each and every day to themselves, why not to you as well? What do you think, that you are somehow special?

Posted by: Dr McCoy at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (/EkKm)

49 11 same media fawning over obama's books didn't know he ate dog. You got to wonder what else is hiding in plain sight.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 11, 2014 02:56 PM (/ggyL)




I just the same point last night. Journalists were outraged by conservatives saying Obongo ate a dog, apparently never having read His Kampf.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (oKE6c)

50 states realize how much filthy lucre there is to be gained by the sales of legal weed.

That doesn't actually seem to be working out that well in CO.

I haven't heard about the other States that have legalized, which tells me it's about the same. If they *were* raking in the cash, I think it'd be all over the Libertarian talking-points.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (kff5f)

51 I think my credentials in the insurance industry are pretty well known on the blog.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:03 PM (kff5f)


-----------------------------------------


You're in insurance?? I thought you ran a blog.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 03:06 PM (zi2gL)

52 hey, wingnutz, we just wanted to keep people from dying the streets because they have no health care...that's why we've created a law that increases rates and deductibles and restricts access to hospitals and doctors.

duh.

signed,

Dominica Hussein Gravenblatsteinbergstein

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 11, 2014 03:06 PM (/ggyL)

53 >>>Gruber, Gruber, wasn't he the villain in one of the Die Hard movies?

Posted by: Gimme back my style guide. at November 11, 2014 03:04 PM (ypggQ)<<<

Two.

Posted by: The other Gruber at November 11, 2014 03:06 PM (nlPax)

54 Thank you, veterans.

Posted by: flounder at November 11, 2014 03:06 PM (sDapq)

55 O/T

Anyone seen my dog?


http://tinyurl.com/p2ecz9a

Posted by: Myrtle Beach Bum at November 11, 2014 03:06 PM (0FSuD)

56 Notes to self - 1) don't make jokes about guys living in their mom's basement and 2) certainly don't lie to them

Posted by: Roy at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (VndSC)

57 Wikipedia is not the ultimate arbiter of all knowledge, but it's fun, and most people realize it's only for basic facts and outlines.
Snopes bills itself as some be-all and end-all unbiased judge of ALL THINGS.

It's just another tentacle in the progressive octopus.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (EMR/k)

58 "I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments."

...on the record.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (39g3+)

59 Gruber, Gruber, wasn't he the villain in one of the Die Hard movies?

Two of them, actually.

*This* guy gives them a bad name.

At least Alan Rickman and Jeremy Irons are cool.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (kff5f)

60 Do we know now why SCOTUS had declared it to be a tax?

Or did we always?


Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (NaeCR)

61 The problem with making filthy lucre from growing purple sticky punge is that the stuff literally grows like a weed.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (Cdl5U)

62 "Gruber spoke to MSNBC, the Mia Farrow show "



Heh....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (LA7Cm)

63 Gruber spoke to MSNBC, the Mia Farrow show and said the following: http://tinyurl.com/kotgm83 --Gruber: The comments were made at an academic conference, I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (ZPrif)


----------------------------------------


Of course. Looks like he got a 3am phone call too.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (zi2gL)

64 I think my favorite one was when my English Major, Library Cataloger brother assured me he understood more about ObamaCare than I did.
--------------------------------

Ah, yes. The "Economies of Scale" argument made by people who don't understand the economy or the scale.

To quote Charlie Gibson: Adverse Selection? Never heard of it.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (4CVLy)

65 28
You asked for a miracle?



I give you the A-C-A



-

Posted by: Hans at November 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4CVLy)

*golf clap*

Posted by: flounder at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (sDapq)

66 Which circles back to why Dems think conservatives are all closet racists. Because they are all closet racists. They think conservatives hate everyone, because they hate everyone. they think republicans lie, because they lie.

People who lie all the time justify it be deciding 1) everyone lies so no biggie, or 2) they are doing it for your own good, like lying about whether they are throwing you a suprise party.



Obamcare Surprise!

Posted by: Dr McCoy at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (/EkKm)

67 "Snopes bills itself as some be-all and end-all unbiased judge of ALL THINGS."

Which would be fine if people didn't take them at their word. They're just yet another fact check site, a somewhat older one than most, with the same level of untrustworthy bias.

But the way people use Snopes as if the mere mention of the word ends all discussion... that's disturbing to me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (39g3+)

68 >>Wanted to post this on the previous thread, but we can argue all day long about how potentially dangerous pot may be (at least for some), but the Mountain Dew is out of the bottle now, and states realize how much filthy lucre there is to be gained by the sales of legal weed. Thirty or forty years ago, they realized this with lotteries, and probably in another decade or two, prostitution will be legalized for the same reason....

Vould you like a shomke and a pancake?

Posted by: Goldmember at November 11, 2014 03:09 PM (g1DWB)

69

Weinstein started paying attention when his own health insurance policy was cancelled


heh

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:09 PM (zOTsN)

70 34
His commentary about the "stupidity" of the American people really
grates me considering the American people were yelling HELL NO! and were
completely ignored.



We saw right though the smoke and mirrors. We aren't stupid, you're corrupt, Mr Gruber.

Posted by: Lauren at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (BPMYx)
Amen. The election of Scott Brown should have been a big freaking clue to them all.

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2014 03:09 PM (yAPdC)

71

Mein Fuhrer!!1! I kann valk!11! fool der Amerikaners.

- Dr. Gruber

Posted by: Arbalest at November 11, 2014 03:09 PM (FlRtG)

72 You're in insurance??
Formerly.

I worked for BCBSTX for several years, and then spent several more years in Health Care (specifically Health Insurance) IT. The idea that my brother, who works as a library cataloger would know more about how Health Insurance works than me was... laughable.

I thought you ran a blog.
Nasty rumor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:09 PM (kff5f)

73
has anyonechecked to see if justice hagen worked with this guy when she was in the obama administration? if she did she needs to recuse herself on the upcoming supreme court case

Posted by: kj at November 11, 2014 03:09 PM (lKyWE)

74 We saw right though the smoke and mirrors. We aren't stupid, you're corrupt, Mr Gruber.

Posted by: Lauren at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (BPMYx)

This.

Posted by: flounder at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (sDapq)

75 I hate when people use Snopes as an authoritative, definitive source, like it's the word of God. It's no more academically rigorous than any random wikia, but people revere it for some reason. Is it nostalgia?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (4/i9Y)

76 Snopes says ur wrong, wingnutz!

Posted by: Guy Who Loves Science! at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (ZPrif)

77 Snopes is the pace to go for some sweet strawman slaughter.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (NaeCR)

78 "I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments."

And by that, I mean, I spoke the truth. about you. In which I hope that you are stupid enough to accept my non-fake apology about how much I, like most people like me, hate people like you.

and, oh yeah, I lied about that case in court. In which I regret that I previously testified creating statements which could be read as contrary to my earlier statements under oath and which could have lead courts to decide a matter of law in a certain way. To that I say, perjury does not exist for democrats, so STFU.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (/ggyL)

79 I don't care if he Gruber regrets them or not. He said it. It's clear that's what he thinks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (QlprU)

80 I think my credentials in the insurance industry are pretty well known on the blog.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:03 PM (kff5f)



I've had the same delightful experience re physical science, viz., to be patronized regarding it by someone who knows nothing whatever about it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (oKE6c)

81 I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.
-------------------

Interpretation: I never imagined that my words would go outside of that room.

Or.....: Hide the decline.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2014 03:10 PM (l1zOH)

82 In computer science about half the job postings I see are for healthcare industry.

I have yet to apply for one.

Run, don't walk.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 11, 2014 03:11 PM (FA3Z7)

83 19 Is it because the media are in the business of deciding what we should and shouldn't know?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 02:58 PM (Rx8ML)




Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!



And last I heard, Snopes is a lefty man and wife living in California. I don't know how the rumor ever got started that they were non-partisan.


They are VERY partisan.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:11 PM (txvbW)

84 54 Thank you, veterans.

Posted by: flounder at November 11, 2014 03:06 PM (sDapq)


You're welcome.

It was a long time ago and nothing much was going on when I was in the Army, but I still think it's something young people should experience.

Posted by: jwest at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (vwlGK)

85 And last I heard, Snopes is a lefty man and wife living in California.
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Snopes declared that to be a hoax.

Posted by: Roy at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (VndSC)

86 Sorry, but Snopes sez ur dumb.

Posted by: Guy Who Loves Science! at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (ZPrif)

87
Jonathan Gruber....




Bu -- but Daddy I love him!

Posted by: Mitt Romney

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (kdS6q)

88 "if she did she needs to recuse herself on the upcoming supreme court case"


Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (LA7Cm)

89 I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.

He's a type of weasel.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (evdj2)

90 ...states realize how much filthy lucre there is to be gained by the sales
of legal weed. Thirty or forty years ago, they realized this with
lotteries, and probably in another decade or two, prostitution will be
legalized for the same reason....

...and then the states that go back to 12 and 14 as the age of consent will be making the serious tax.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (NaeCR)

91 Snopes is the Magic Eight Ball of the interwebs.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 11, 2014 03:13 PM (Cdl5U)

92 --Gruber: The comments were made at an academic
conference, I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke
inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:05 PM (ZPrif)


No dice, Bucky. In an unguarded moment, among your comrades, you said what was in your heart.

The only even potentially exculpatory excuses would be: 1) misquoted (clearly not the case here, what with the video), and 2) it was a joke (ditto).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:13 PM (oKE6c)

93 "Snopes declared that to be a hoax."



Never mind then....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 11, 2014 03:13 PM (LA7Cm)

94

Weinstein says he believed the JEF until his own policy got cancelled

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:14 PM (zOTsN)

95
@88
she would have to

Posted by: kj at November 11, 2014 03:14 PM (lKyWE)

96 Weinstein says he believed the JEF until his own policy got cancelled

So he's not the brightest crayon in the box.

In many ways, that makes this all the better.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:15 PM (kff5f)

97 she would have to

I'm pretty sure it's her decision.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:15 PM (evdj2)

98 Weinstein says he believed the JEF until his own policy got cancelled.

But then he got curious when Snopes said it didn't happen.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 03:15 PM (Rx8ML)

99 --Gruber: The comments were made at an academic conference, I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.

The "off the cuff" excuse only works for the mentally handicapped, like Bobo on the Howard Stern show.

Posted by: wooga at November 11, 2014 03:15 PM (dUBcN)

100 News is hard.

Posted by: CBS at November 11, 2014 03:15 PM (8ZskC)

101 That is a gap on the Right, somebody needs to create some bullshit sound non-partisan foundation and fact-check sit.

TrueFacts.com says ur wrong.
HonestTruth.org says Obama lied

TrustyTruthFacts says no.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (ZPrif)

102 "His commentary about the "stupidity" of the American people really grates me considering the American people were yelling HELL NO! and were
completely ignored."

This is true. People did figure it out and screamed for Congress to stop, but were ignored. There wasn't any trick here, they didn't pull the wool over our eyes. They just were arrogant and didn't care what the voters said.

"Weinstein says he believed the JEF until his own policy got cancelled"

Well, better late than never, I guess.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (39g3+)

103 Ah, yes. The "Economies of Scale" argument made by people who don't understand the economy or the scale.





Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (4CVLy)


"We lose on every client, but make it up on volume!"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (oKE6c)

104 If only there were some procedure for removing bloodless soulless vampires from the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (Cdl5U)

105 This guy gives the Gruber lineage a bad name. Makes us all look like hack magicians and used car salesmen.

Posted by: Torpedoman's Mate Lester Gruber at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (JO9+V)

106 91
Snopes is the Magic Eight Ball of the interwebweasels.


Posted by: Boss Moss at November 11, 2014 03:13 PM (Cdl5U)

Fixed.

Posted by: flounder at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (sDapq)

107 66 Which circles back to why Dems think conservatives are all closet racists. Because they are all closet racists. They think conservatives hate everyone, because they hate everyone. they think republicans lie, because they lie.



Posted by: Dr McCoy at November 11, 2014 03:08 PM (/EkKm)




Zombie wrote a very good essay demonstrating this point.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (txvbW)

108 This Gruber guy seems like he has Speako disease.

So why are you guys picking on the handicapped?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (Rx8ML)

109 The comments were made at an academic
conference, I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke
inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.

In other words-Either you were lying then or you are lying now.

Choose wisely because you're admitting to lying about lying, either then or now.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (X+nFp)

110 "if she did she needs to recuse herself on the upcoming supreme court case"

Should, but won't.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (39g3+)

111
@97
it is her choice but the guy basically admits to lying to the american people to get a law she worked on passed.it would compramise her position on the court

Posted by: kj at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (lKyWE)

112 I do love the "off the cuff" excuse.

"Off the cuff" might excuse something like getting dates or locations mixed up. It might excuse getting someone's name wrong. It might even excuse a long, rambling filibuster of a response.

This answer was none of those. It was very clear.

And his non-apology makes that clear: the statement wasn't "wrong" it was "inappropriate." He wasn't wrong for saying it, he "regrets" saying it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (kff5f)

113 His commentary about the "stupidity" of the American people really grates me considering the American people were yelling HELL NO! and were completely ignored.


Well, he does have a point. We're stupid because the MFM will not properly and honestly inform us about the stuff we need to know to govern ourselves.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Proud Curmudgeon at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (0HooB)

114


what we have here, is someone who was a true believer. A JEF voter perhaps, even probably.

Who lost his policy and discovered he had been lied to and the media knew and did not report it

this is how you start making conservatives

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (zOTsN)

115 It should be disbarred.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (Cdl5U)

116 I don't see what he means about obfuscation?

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (Rx8ML)

117 The Administration doesn't lie. It simply tells the truth in ways which we can understand it. I am glad that Barack and the team are looking out for me.

Posted by: Sheffield Oliver Carrington Kittridge at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (32Ze2)

118 It was a speak-o, dammit!

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (g1DWB)

119 OT: Pregnant 14-year-old American shot by Mexican police near border

http://cbsn.ws/1zKkUXk

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (lN8KC)

120 And last I heard, Snopes is a lefty man and wife living in California. I don't know how the rumor ever got started that they were non-partisan.


They are VERY partisan.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:11 PM (txvbW)

There was a rumor that they were partisan, so I checked Snopes. Snopes says they aren't partisan.

Posted by: AMDG at November 11, 2014 03:19 PM (eFytx)

121 This is true. People did figure it out and screamed
for Congress to stop, but were ignored. There wasn't any trick here,
they didn't pull the wool over our eyes. They just were arrogant and
didn't care what the voters said.



Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:16 PM (39g3+)

And in the end, they used procedural maneuvers (reconciliation) to avoid opposition debate and amendment. Dems own it. I will never forget.

Posted by: flounder at November 11, 2014 03:19 PM (sDapq)

122 I have yet to apply for one.

Run, don't walk.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 11, 2014 03:11 PM (FA3Z7)



I have to take issue with this post you made in an earlier thread:





GOVERNMENT DOESN'T TEACH MORALITY. IT IS FORCE.

All I gotta say.

Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 11, 2014 03:02 PM (FA3Z7)




What was that civil war thingy again?



Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:20 PM (txvbW)

123 it would compramise her position on the court

In what way. Lifetime appointment.

It's not like the red rat bastards care about their reputations.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:20 PM (evdj2)

124 Snopes and his wife made it big starting on alt.folklore.urban. Heck, they met there. Urban legends is their true field of knowledge.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 11, 2014 03:20 PM (9Y7bY)

125 109 In other words-Either you were lying then or you are lying now.



Choose wisely because you're admitting to lying about lying, either then or now.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (X+nFp)


To a liberal, truth is a vector quantity; to determine the truth of a statement, one has to take its dot product with another vector that represents the views of the audience.
To conservatives, truth is a scalar.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:20 PM (oKE6c)

126


she may have to recuse herself from hearing the case, or any case, about Obamacare

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:21 PM (zOTsN)

127 This and other things about the regime bring to mind something out of that old Jew-book, the Bible.

Somewhere in it it says (paraphrasing) that things that dwell in the darkness will be brought out into the light.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 03:21 PM (zi2gL)

128
Snopes declared that to be a hoax.

Posted by: Roy at November 11, 2014 03:12 PM (VndSC)



"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!!!"


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:21 PM (txvbW)

129 In other words-Either you were lying then or you are lying now.

Not so. Indeed, I believe both statements are absolutely true.

Re-read that "explanation."

The comments were made at an academic
conference,

That is: "This is all insidery, I wouldn't expect the proles to understand. Also, I thought I was among fellow travelers"

I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke
inappropriately

That is: "If I'd been planning those remarks, I would have obfuscated the intent more. Telling the truth was inappropriate, inasmuch as it's not inconvenient."

and I regret having made those comments.
That is: "I really wish this tape hadn't gone public."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:21 PM (kff5f)

130 Thing is libs think that he lied is cool, that he got caught saying that lying is good is bad.

They prefer their candidates to be liars.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 03:21 PM (Rx8ML)

131 Gruber is a German surname from Bavaria, referring to a person from a pit, mine, or depression. It is the most common surname in Austria.


Seems to fit nicely.

Posted by: Torpedoman's Mate Lester Gruber at November 11, 2014 03:22 PM (JO9+V)

132 What was that civil war thingy again?



Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:20 PM (txvbW)
************

A minor disagreement about crossbows vs. longbows. And something about whether short people should be able to lean their airline seats into tall passengers' knees.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 03:22 PM (vgIRn)

133 And his non-apology makes that clear: the statement wasn't "wrong" it was "inappropriate." He wasn't wrong for saying it, he "regrets" saying it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (kff5f)



When in fact what he regrets is that we found out that he said it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:22 PM (oKE6c)

134
Supreme Court justice can be removed after impeachment in the House and trial in the Senate

so

never gonna happen

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:23 PM (zOTsN)

135 Weinstein started paying attention when his own health insurance policy was cancelled



Shortly, thereafter, he popped up on our radar.

We sent his file over to the IRS.

Posted by: NSA at November 11, 2014 03:23 PM (XkWSW)

136 Remember, it is the height of defamation to quote a Leftists accurately.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at November 11, 2014 03:23 PM (IrByp)

137 And to think the word "macaca" put a Senator out of office.

Imagine if the Washington Post ran a front page article about Gruber saying this for 31 days prior to the election.

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 03:23 PM (Rx8ML)

138 Now we know one of the rat bastards who wrote the law. Pelosi and gang should have time to read the bill while spending time in a red jump suit in federal prison. Conspiracy.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (WNERA)

139
Well, he does have a point. We're stupid because the MFM will not properly and honestly inform us about the stuff we need to know to govern ourselves.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Proud Curmudgeon at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (0HooB)



Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!



That one party control of the information stream has consequences. Bad consequences.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (txvbW)

140 For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.


Luke 8:17. Mark 4:22

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (QlprU)

141 This blog is racist.

You all are racist.

The ACA is great.

We all love Barack.

*rewind repeat*

Posted by: Oliver Willis at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (R5UOB)

142 FreeBeacon
Dem Think Tank Secret Email: 'All Hands On Deck' to Sell Iran Deal to Public http://shar.es/10TKgx via @sharethis

A leading liberal think tank in Washington, D.C., has begun enlisting its associates in an "all-hands-on-deck effort to support" the Obama administration as it seeks to ink a nuclear deal with Iran by the end of the month, according to emails obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

The Truman National Security Project, a nonprofit think tank with ties to the administration, is assembling a "crack team of writers" to flood national and local media outlets with articles supporting the White House's efforts before the details of a final nuclear deal have even emerged, according to internal emails sent by the organization to its listserv.

"Our community absolutely must step up and not cede the public narrative to neocon hawks that would send our country to war just to screw the president," Graham F. West, Truman's writing and communications associate, wrote in a recent email to the organization's listserv.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (ZPrif)

143
In what way. Lifetime appointment.

because its a fraud and she will be tainted by it if she had any part in it

Posted by: kj at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (lKyWE)

144 Snopes is the Magic Eight Ball of the interwebs.



Correct slightly less than a Majik 8 Ball.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (4Ofi/)

145 140 For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.

Luke 8:17. Mark 4:22

---
Jehovah Or

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (R5UOB)

146


what is delightful is that I am pretty sure this guy, Weinstein, was a true believer and Obama voter

will they smear him? Will they attempt to destroy him? Is he the Jewish Joe the Plumber?

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (zOTsN)

147 because its a fraud and she will be tainted by it if she had any part in it

Posted by: kj at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (lKyWE)


So she'll get demerits or something? They will dock her pay?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (Rx8ML)

148 Who could have imagined that an economics department that blessed the world with the work of a man named Les Thurow would go on to employ a vagina like this?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (nFdGS)

149
Who lost his policy and discovered he had been lied to and the media knew and did not report it

this is how you start making conservatives

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (zOTsN)



Rather expensive and grueling way of making conservatives, don't you think?


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (txvbW)

150 >>has anyonechecked to see if justice hagen worked with this guy when she was in the obama administration? if she did she needs to recuse herself on the upcoming supreme court case

Emails surfaced during the first Obamacare court case that proved Kagan was involved with Obamacare while she was Solicitor General. She did not recuse herself then and she won't now.

That's not how lefties roll.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (g1DWB)

151 Four. (Minimum.) Justices. Of . The. Supreme. Court. Are. About. To. Rule. That. Words. Don't. Mean. What. They. Say.



We're over.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (vgIRn)

152 And Ecclesiastes 12:14:

For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (QlprU)

153 "OT: Pregnant 14-year-old American shot by Mexican police near border "


Wasn't quite what I was expecting. With BF (apparently) in PU when he refused to pull over for cops and they opened fire hitting her. Expected to live though.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (LA7Cm)

154 Looks like another journolist -- somebody leaked a listserv.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (ZPrif)

155 Posted by: The Political Hat at November 11, 2014 03:18 PM (lN8KC)


Continuing from an earlier discussion on the second amendment....



What then was the basis in law for the Declaration of Independence?


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:27 PM (txvbW)

156 I'm fairly confident the SCOTUS has the ability to further pervert reason, logic, the plain text of the law and the words of the architect of the law in order to uphold it.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 11, 2014 03:27 PM (QGL7g)

157 " She did not recuse herself then and she won't now. "



That's what I mean. Precedent set in her case.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 11, 2014 03:28 PM (LA7Cm)

158 120 And last I heard, Snopes is a lefty man and wife living in California. I don't know how the rumor ever got started that they were non-partisan.

Maybe 10-15 years ago they were more straight-shooting and careful to hide their partisanship but since then they've been heavily biased to the left.

They don't actually lie about anything but when it comes to a statement that might hurt the left, they always raise the bar for standard of proof and find exculpating counter-examples so that it becomes 'False' or 'Mixed. No such leeway is ever applied to things that might make the right look bad.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 11, 2014 03:28 PM (pAlYe)

159 138 Now we know one of the rat bastards who wrote the law. Pelosi and gang should have time to read the bill while spending time in a red jump suit in federal prison. Conspiracy.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at November 11, 2014 03:24 PM (WNERA)



Wasn't Schakowsky's husband implicated in writing this POS too? IIRC, he's in a red jump suit in federal prison as we speak.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:28 PM (oKE6c)

160 So she'll get demerits or something? They will dock her pay?

I try not to think about the word taint when discussing Justice Kagan.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:28 PM (evdj2)

161

we have both the house and the senate

I think it will be very hard for Kagan to refuse to recuse on the Obamacare cases

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:29 PM (zOTsN)

162 I still enjoy their urban legends area, though. Much better than any of the creepypastas around

Posted by: AMDG at November 11, 2014 03:29 PM (eFytx)

163 When I said your mother was a two dollar whore riddled with syphillis... That was just off the cuff. So no biggy.

Posted by: wooga at November 11, 2014 03:29 PM (dUBcN)

164 "Weinstein, back at home, was stunned at the reaction. Why did he keep
finding Gruber gaffes? Why didn't the press glom onto this stuff first?"

Alex, I'll take "Self-Answering Questions" for a thousand.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 11, 2014 03:29 PM (noWW6)

165 I think it will be very hard for Kagan to refuse to recuse on the Obamacare cases

Why?

What do you think Congress is going to do? Impeach her?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:30 PM (kff5f)

166 148 Who could have imagined that an economics department that blessed the world with the work of a man named Les Thurow would go on to employ a vagina like this?
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (nFdGS)



Les Thurow? The guy who famously predicted years ago that the EU would be the dominant world power by now, essentially because they had socialism? That Lester Thurow?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:30 PM (oKE6c)

167

the Chief Justice, Roberts, is very concerned about the image of the court. He may tell her to do so

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (zOTsN)

168 151 Four. (Minimum.) Justices. Of . The. Supreme. Court. Are. About. To. Rule. That. Words. Don't. Mean. What. They. Say.
We're over.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (vgIRn




Tell me about it.

Posted by: Dred Scott at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (oKE6c)

169 No seriously I don't get the obfuscation part. It is pretty clear that they meant this as a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (Rx8ML)

170 "Journalists were outraged by conservatives saying Obongo ate a dog, apparently never having read His Kampf."

Well, in the age of Lena Dunham, it's apparently now actionable defamation to specifically quote someone's own words from their own published autobiography.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (noWW6)

171 Why?

What do you think Congress is going to do? Impeach her?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:30 PM (kff5f)

Congress could hold a really really long softball game.

Posted by: AMDG at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (eFytx)

172 You have to pass it to know what's in it!

--Nancy Pelosi


It's a poison pill written to dismantle health care as we know it, while laying the groundwork for Super Hillary to ride in and fix it with--

single-payer!


We're headed for HillaryLand Socialism next.


That's how important 2016 will be.


Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (RJMhd)

173 167 the Chief Justice, Roberts, is very concerned about the image of the court. He may tell her to do so
Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (zOTsN)




A little late in the day to worry about SCOTUS's image, isn't it?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (oKE6c)

174 Wasn't Schakowsky's husband implicated in writing this POS too? IIRC, he's in a red jump suit in federal prison as we speak.

Funny, I don't remember voting for either one of those guys. WTF are they doing writing law?

If our representatives don't know enough to be authoring the laws we have to live under, then they shouldn't be writing laws at all. Which I don't have a problem with.

It's too bad that a good court case can't be made of that simple principle that someone I didn't vote for is writing law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Proud Curmudgeon at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (0HooB)

175 His commentary about the "stupidity" of the American
people really grates me considering the American people were yelling
HELL NO! and were completely ignored.



We saw right though the smoke and mirrors. We aren't stupid, you're corrupt, Mr Gruber.

Posted by: Lauren at November 11, 2014 03:01 PM (BPMYx)


Well he was commenting upon the stupidity of the Democrat base. Republicans are un-people, after all. He has basically admitted to defrauding the people who voted for the Chocolate Jesus.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (7MWCL)

176
I'm listening to Nixon -- he's clueless. He's talking about all the faith based people who signed up to be on these commisions. They are all SJW, liberation theology bullshit, marxism.

Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (iQIUe)

177 >>Do we know now why SCOTUS had declared it to be a tax?

Not a tax.
A penalty.
A shared responsibility fee.
.
.
.
OK, yes, it's a tax.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (ABcz/)

178
what is delightful is that I am pretty sure this guy, Weinstein, was a true believer and Obama voter


Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:25 PM (zOTsN)



Who else could possibly manage to sit through hours of leftest drivel?


But I will point out Roger Simon and David Mamet were also on the left. Hell, there are a *Lot* of people who grow up and move to the right.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (txvbW)

179 I think it will be very hard for Kagan to refuse to recuse on the Obamacare cases

She didn't last time.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (evdj2)

180 USC Title 28, Section 455

she has independent knowlegde of facts in the case

I hope that Senator Cruz beats her about the head with it

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:33 PM (zOTsN)

181 the Chief Justice, Roberts, is very concerned about the image of the court. He may tell her to do so

Here's an idea. You tell her. She's pretty scary.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at November 11, 2014 03:33 PM (Rx8ML)

182 And Ecclesiastes 12:14: For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 03:26 PM (QlprU)


------------------------------------


I think that's when you're tied up in that little shack by the Pearly Gates with a hot spotlight in your face while God ruthlessly grills you on your earthly sins.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 03:34 PM (zi2gL)

183 >>Wasn't Schakowsky's husband implicated in writing this POS too? IIRC, he's in a red jump suit in federal prison as we speak.

Robert Creamer. He was hugely responsible for getting the left to focus on healthcare as a means to control the masses. He literally wrote the book "Stand Up Straight! How Progressives Can Win".

Step 1 - convince the masses that healthcare was a right.
Step 2 - convince the masses the healthcare sector was in crisis,

Straight out of the Alinsky playbook.

And yes, he was in jail for bank fraud when he wrote it.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2014 03:34 PM (g1DWB)

184 How about a sternly worded letter from the Congress stating that unless Kagan recuses herself she will be held in great shame status and will be seriously shamed at all cocktail parties in DC for a period not to exceed 12 months.

Posted by: Yip at November 11, 2014 03:34 PM (84SRe)

185 The great Chief Justice John Roberts has already gone on record opining that Kagan doesn't have to recuse herself in OCare cases, giving her all the cover she needs. His reasoning is that because she is on the SC her integrity is unimpeachable. They really do think that they are better than us.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 11, 2014 03:34 PM (nFdGS)

186 But I will point out Roger Simon and David Mamet
were also on the left. Hell, there are a *Lot* of people who grow up
and move to the right.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:32 PM (txvbW)


At a social gathering a friend's brother told me he was "very liberal."
I told him everyone was born a liberal.
End of discussion.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:35 PM (oKE6c)

187 last time the Senate wasnt red

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:35 PM (zOTsN)

188 58 "I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments."

...on the record.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:07 PM (39g3+)


Yeah, like lying to your diary.

Posted by: Joshua L. Steiner at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (/AHDz)

189 convince the masses that healthcare was a right.

**falls, convulsing, to the ground**

you have no right to what someone else must provide or produce!
you have no right to what someone else must provide or produce!
you have no right to what someone else must provide or produce!
...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (kff5f)

190
Tell me about it.

Posted by: Dred Scott at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (oKE6c)



That's not a good example. More like Wickard or Kelo, or Roe would be a better example.



Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (txvbW)

191 185 The great Chief Justice John Roberts has already gone on record opining that Kagan doesn't have to recuse herself in OCare cases, giving her all the cover she needs. His reasoning is that because she is on the SC her integrity is unimpeachable. They really do think that they are better than us.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 11, 2014 03:34 PM (nFdGS)




I thought part of judicial ethics was not only to be clean, but to be seen to be clean. Or has some penumbra cast its shadow over that?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (oKE6c)

192 last time the Senate wasnt red

Meaning what?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (evdj2)

193 I certainly don't expect justice to come for all these folks in their earthly time. As for myself, Lord knows I have quite a few sins in my life, but I'm not expecting God to ruthlessly grill me on them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (QlprU)

194 "the Chief Justice, Roberts, is very concerned about the image of the court."

I thought that the chief concern of the Chief Justice was not having his questionably adopted children taken away.

When someone has backed themselves into that kind of a terribly vulnerable corner, and the people with the power to take away said children come round for a quiet after-office-hours conversation, the takeaway from the conversation is "And what ruling did you want in this case again?"

Note that in the original Obamacare case, Roberts had a complete opinion written up and ready to go which would have scuppered Obamacare, and then at the last minute tore up that opinion and instead went with the hastily thrown together "it's constitutional 'cause it's a tax" opinion.

Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (noWW6)

195 184 How about a sternly worded letter from the Congress stating that unless Kagan recuses herself she will be held in great shame status and will be seriously shamed at all cocktail parties in DC for a period not to exceed 12 months.
Posted by: Yip at November 11, 2014 03:34 PM (84SRe)





I know how to get Kagan on board. Tax batteries.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:37 PM (oKE6c)

196 The fact that Kagan serves on the SC is basically a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at November 11, 2014 03:37 PM (wAQA5)

197
the first case was completely diffirent.this next case is to decide if the law she helped writemeans what the law says it means

Posted by: kj at November 11, 2014 03:37 PM (lKyWE)

198 82 In computer science about half the job postings I see are for healthcare industry.

I have yet to apply for one.

Run, don't walk.
Posted by: HoboJerk, TPHSATAR at November 11, 2014 03:11 PM (FA3Z7)


And they ain't paying squat either.

FTN!

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 11, 2014 03:37 PM (/AHDz)

199 When Skip called us schlockmeisters and goofballs and hustlers he said it with some affection and respect. This other Gruber guy don't deserve none of that.

Posted by: Torpedoman's Mate Lester Gruber at November 11, 2014 03:37 PM (JO9+V)

200 Maybe this guy could help find Lois Lerners emails.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 11, 2014 03:38 PM (1BQGO)

201 Nobody ever promises just the tip and means it. Serious, you guys.

Posted by: Fritz at November 11, 2014 03:38 PM (dVmLD)

202
RB @RBPundit 6m
BUS. TED.

Raffi Williams @Raffiwilliams 7m
A hell of a scoop from @Kredo0 on how one dem think thank is an admitted pr flak for obama http://t.co/84xBoaeCmU

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:39 PM (ZPrif)

203 Maybe this guy could help find Lois Lerners emails.

Or TFG's kollige transcripts.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Proud Curmudgeon at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (0HooB)

204 110 "if she did she needs to recuse herself on the upcoming supreme court case"

Should, but won't.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 03:17 PM (39g3+)



Even if she does, we end up 4-4, and still lose.

Posted by: rgerbilder at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (8MjqI)

205 I'm very happy to see another post on this horrid ass Jon Gruber.

Besides the IRS thuggery, which I think is tyrannical, this deal with Gruber and the ACA is anti-American to the core. There isn't enough negative things that can be said about the ACA, Gruber and those that went along.

Posted by: seems legit at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (A98Xu)

206
Note that in the original Obamacare case, Roberts had a complete opinion written up and ready to go which would have scuppered Obamacare, and then at the last minute tore up that opinion and instead went with the hastily thrown together "it's constitutional 'cause it's a tax" opinion.

Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 11, 2014 03:36 PM (noWW6)


A lot of people felt that he had somehow been pressured into changing his opinion. As if Obama had some threat he could hold over his head.



Many point to his adopted children.


I don't know about any of that, but It certainly is strange how he flipped. Of course the Chicago Mafia probably has some experience at flipping a judge.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (txvbW)

207 167

the Chief Justice, Roberts, is very concerned about the image of the court. He may tell her to do so

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:31 PM (zOTsN)


The whole idea of making the Supremes lifetime appointments, was so they would NOT worry about Image... so they could NOT worry about public opinion... or in this case, the opinion of the MSM.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (f0pWu)

208 --btw I think Michael F. Cannon at SCOTUS blog smacked the crap out of Paul Krugman's--

"It's a typo!" argument.


Here:

Myth #3: King is based on "a drafting error".

The requirement that tax-credit recipients enroll in coverage "through an Exchange established by the State" appears twice explicitly in the tax-credit eligibility rules, and a further seven times by cross-reference. It was added to the text at multiple stages of the legislative process, including under the supervision of Senate leaders and White House staff.

That's not a drafting error. Not even the Obama administration argues it was.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (RJMhd)

209 I know how to get Kagan on board. Tax batteries.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:37 PM (oKE6c)

and softballs, softball mits...

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (q+zA9)

210 ---there aren't enough

not isn't.

GHAAA

Posted by: seems legit at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (A98Xu)

211 That listserv leak is a good sign Obama is determined to make a deal with Iran, any deal.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (ZPrif)

212 Kagan will not recuse herself and no one can make her.

I will bet money on it.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)

213

time will tell. The winds have changed. Roberts sees that. I think he will ask her to recuse. But what if she refuses to recuse. There is no way to force her to

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (zOTsN)

214 Former Enron Financial Adviser Paul Krugman

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at November 11, 2014 03:42 PM (evdj2)

Posted by: bergerbilder at November 11, 2014 03:42 PM (8MjqI)

216 Kyle W. Orton @KyleWOrton 3m
At least the Truman National Security Project knows who the real enemy is: "neocon hawks". Not Iran, of course.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:42 PM (ZPrif)

217 blog's broken on my laptop.

testing on my phone

Posted by: L, elle at November 11, 2014 03:43 PM (2x3L+)

218 Many point to his adopted children.


I don't know about any of that, but It certainly is strange how he flipped. Of course the Chicago Mafia probably has some experience at flipping a judge.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (txvbW)

they placed kiddi pron on his/John Roberts computer like they placed classified docs on Sheryl Atkinsome's laptop


Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at November 11, 2014 03:43 PM (q+zA9)

219
The whole idea of making the Supremes lifetime appointments, was so they would NOT worry about Image... so they could NOT worry about public opinion... or in this case, the opinion of the MSM.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2014 03:40 PM (f0pWu)


The MSM is far more powerful as a brainwash machine than it was in 1787. Also the people are much less moral and much more feral.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:44 PM (txvbW)

220 Truman National Security Project knows who the real enemy is: "neocon hawks"

Penguins.


Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2014 03:44 PM (XkWSW)

221 Gruber isn't just anti-democracy, he's anti-republican (small r). You have to have a pretty oppressive dictatorial society to get away with such huge lies on such huge issues. Even the French kings wouldn't have done that.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 11, 2014 03:44 PM (42wGr)

222 So deep, much truth.

Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 2m
What 'Too Many Cooks' Tells Us About 2016 and the Resiliency of the Patriarchy (GIFs) http://goo.gl/xYkFN6

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 11, 2014 03:44 PM (ZPrif)

223 212 Kagan will not recuse herself and no one can make her.

I will bet money on it.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)

*********

Seconded.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 11, 2014 03:45 PM (RJMhd)

224
time will tell. The winds have changed. Roberts sees that. I think he will ask her to recuse. But what if she refuses to recuse. There is no way to force her to

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (zOTsN)



I bet Roberts could punch her out.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:45 PM (txvbW)

225 We debunk the truth.

Posted by: Snopers at November 11, 2014 03:45 PM (Dwehj)

226 I think my favorite one was when my English Major, Library Cataloger brother assured me he understood more about ObamaCare than I did.

I think my credentials in the insurance industry are pretty well known on the blog.


Those are non-credentials your brother has. You know more than him about everything.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 11, 2014 03:46 PM (42wGr)

227 3 Snopes has really shit on it's reputation in the Obama years.

I honestly used to think of Snopes a relatively unbiased source.

But once again we see that all institutions go prog over time, unless explicitly conservative.
Posted by: Costanza Defense


I also used to respect Snopes. But when I started cropping up there, with factual inaccuracies, and I wrote in to correct the misinformation, they ignored me. And I realized that it had become a partisan site propping up the progressive worldview wherever possible.

I'm now the focus of four different Snopes articles. Two of them are factually wrong -- just simply falsehoods. I have repeatedly sent them proof of the falsehoods, to no avail.

One of the other mentions is gratuitous and unecessary endangered me through privacy violation, and I have requested that the mention be removed (not because it is "wrong" but because it is irrelevant and gratuitous), but again I was ignored.

The last mention I don't mind, and just laugh about.

(None of these are about my "zombie" persona, BTW. Three are about my actual real-world self, and one is about a different pseudonym.)

After these experiences, I no longer trust or respect Snopes.

Posted by: zombie at November 11, 2014 03:46 PM (K4YiS)

228 Gruber is a German surname from Bavaria, referring to a person from a pit, mine, or depression. It is the most common surname in Austria.

A certain Austrian politician's father's surname at birth was Schicklgruber. Because he had been born out of wedlock, he had his surname changed as an adult from Schicklgruber to Hitler. Lucky for the son-- can you imagine screaming crowds in the 1930s chanting "Heil Schicklgruber"?

Posted by: Basement Cat at November 11, 2014 03:46 PM (omf9g)

229
No means yes, and yes means anal!

Posted by: Tri Delta Moogies at November 11, 2014 03:47 PM (3/wAJ)

230 and softballs, softball mits...

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (q+zA9)


Require a license to sport the Wayne Newton hair-do.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:47 PM (oKE6c)

231 Kagan will not recuse herself and no one can make her. I will bet money on it.
Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:41 PM (evdj2)


--------------------------------------------


Don't think she will either. Ocare is too big a chunk of progressivism. It's their shining star.

Posted by: Soona at November 11, 2014 03:47 PM (zi2gL)

232
I bet Roberts could punch her out.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:45 PM (txvbW)


I'll take that bet.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:48 PM (oKE6c)

233 Nude Gruber Post

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:48 PM (evdj2)

234 punch her out?

I wish

Posted by: ThunderB at November 11, 2014 03:48 PM (zOTsN)

235 229

No means yes, and yes means anal!


Posted by: Tri Delta Moogies at November 11, 2014 03:47 PM (3/wAJ)
Who is this really? You sure come up with some funny stuff.

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2014 03:48 PM (yAPdC)

236 nood

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 11, 2014 03:48 PM (2Ayux)

237 Gruber is a German surname from Bavaria, referring to a person from a pit, mine, or depression. It is the most common surname in Austria.

also a bad guy in the first few Die Hard films...

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at November 11, 2014 03:49 PM (q+zA9)

238 It's their shining star.

Well, that and warmening. And racism. Make it a triumvirate.

Posted by: Progressives at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (Dwehj)

239 Those are non-credentials your brother has. You know more than him about everything.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 11, 2014 03:46 PM (42wGr)


The argument I've gotten: I'm biased by my knowledge of the field we're talking about, whereas my interlocutor, as a layman, approaches the subject without bias.
Oh.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (oKE6c)

240 Who won the Snopes Monkey Trials?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (nbGZj)

241
I'm now the focus of four different Snopes articles. Two of them are factually wrong -- just simply falsehoods. I have repeatedly sent them proof of the falsehoods, to no avail.


....



After these experiences, I no longer trust or respect Snopes.

Posted by: zombie at November 11, 2014 03:46 PM (K4YiS)



Gleichschaltung in operation.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (txvbW)

242

What difference, at this point, does it make?!!1?1!?1?1/1/1?!?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (HSmrB)

243 Nude Gruber Post

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 11, 2014 03:48 PM (evdj2)


Ewww!

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (lN8KC)

244 "stupidity of the American voter" " gullible American public"

Thanks 52%. FSA, LIV, squishy moderates, dumb white people.

At least this Weinstein guy finally got a clue. This gives me hope that some of the stupid people with jobs that voted Dem in 2012 are finally seeing through these lying liars that lie.

Posted by: L, elle at November 11, 2014 03:52 PM (2x3L+)

245 Back in 2009 I read the entire ACA bill, all 1990 pages of it. (No, I don't have a life.) There are landmines strewn all through that fetid steaming mess that I still have yet to see appear in any mainstream news article.

Take for example the Health Benefits Advisory Committee. This is Palin's famous death panel that decides what benefits you will be allowed to have. It is rigged to be packed with Obama cronies, not real doctors:

"HR 3200 Section 123(b)(5): PARTICIPATION- The membership of the Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least reflect providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health care financing and delivery, experts in racial and ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with disabilities, representatives of relevant governmental agencies. and at least one practicing physician or other health professional and an expert on children's health."

The panel's recommendations will be mandatory (sec 122,124). They will have absolute power over what treatments will be covered for you and your family. Not even one doctor is required to be on this committee (only one 'health professional'). All the rest will be government hacks, union bosses, lobbyists, and 'experts in racial and ethnic disparities'. The panel will be thoroughly politicized.

This kind of crap is *all over* the ACA, and I have yet to see any major news outlet cover them in any sort of detail.

Posted by: HuuskerDu at November 11, 2014 03:52 PM (gYAkw)

246 Who won the Snopes Monkey Trials?
Posted by: Low Information Voter at November 11, 2014 03:50 PM (nbGZj)


Mickey Dolenz

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 11, 2014 03:58 PM (W5DcG)

247 Those of you that tweet can also contact Mr. Del Real on Twitter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 04:02 PM (QlprU)

248 "...The comments were made at an academic
conference, I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke
inappropriately and I regret having made those comments..."

In other words-Either you were lying then or you are lying now. Choose wisely because you're admitting to lying about lying, either then or now. Posted by: Suppressed Flasher


Curious statement, that the comment was made at an academic conference; where like you know smart people get together and talk about smart stuff that non-academics are too stupid to understand, like how to lie in order to control stupid people.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 11, 2014 04:02 PM (WS+CW)

249 Oh no, it's the "Roberts wuz blackmailed" meme, right on time.

Posted by: Shot Him at November 11, 2014 04:06 PM (v2uEC)

250 This man better stay in his mom's basement. He looks susceptible to Breitbart Disease. And that seems to be fatal.

Posted by: AmericanBTGoG at November 11, 2014 04:32 PM (DhZHL)

251 Don't forget: Gruber said ACA was also major step to single payer

Posted by: jb at November 11, 2014 06:01 PM (/bMM/)

252 "Oh no, it's the "Roberts wuz blackmailed" meme, right on time."

Yeah, its daffy but people cling to it like Roseanne to a box of Haagen Daas.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 11, 2014 06:54 PM (39g3+)

253 democrats that are willing to lie, cheat, and god-knows-what-else to gain power are demonstrating by their very unethical means how totalitarian they really are. they don't believe in the "consent of the governed," they just want to govern. they also want other people's stuff.

the thing is, if you have to lie, cheat, and steal in order to win elections or pass legislation, it just shows that you are either to lazy to do the hard work to persuade people, or your ideas just suck that badly. in the case of the democrats, i'd say the case is a bit of both. only the lazy and incapable have to lie and cheat.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 11, 2014 08:14 PM (2/oBD)

254 Every time I see that "Gruber" name, I can't help but remember Carl Ballantine (Gruber on McHale's Navy).

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 11, 2014 08:42 PM (9srI4)

255 "The comments were made at an academic
conference,"

i didn't know you were going to hear them

"I was speaking off the cuff"

i usually prepare to lie to a national audience

"and I basically spoke inappropriately"

you folks should only hear prepared lies, not what I really think

"and I regret having made those comments"

me me me, it's about me, mindwipe yourselves willya

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 12, 2014 11:42 AM (pYEaj)

256 "The comments were made at an academic
conference,"

i didn't know you were going to hear them

"I was speaking off the cuff"

i usually prepare to lie to a national audience

"and I basically spoke inappropriately"

you folks should only hear prepared lies, not what I really think

"and I regret having made those comments"

me me me, it's about me, mindwipe yourselves willya

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 12, 2014 11:42 AM (pYEaj)

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