Fundamental Concepts - Chesterton's Fence [WeirdDave]

This one's kind of fun. It's from C.K. Chesterton's 1929 work The Drift from Domesticity. It goes like this:

In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it."

OK, but what does that mean, and why is it applicable today? Well, the left has been on a 100 year crusade to dismantle all of the founding principles of the US and Western culture itself. They have in their heads a vision of a Utopian future, and all that needs to be done to realize it is to tear down all that currently stands so that they can build it. They don't care what it is that they are tearing down, or why it's there in the first place, they just want it gone so they can get on with building the brave new world.

The thing is, societal mores do not exist in, nor arise from, a vacuum. They have evolved over time because they are beneficial to someone, some group of people or the entire society. The Divine Right of Kings benefited the monarch to be sure, but it also fostered societal cohesion. Simply tearing down the concept would be a step backwards towards anarchy. The King has no divine right to sit on the throne, so someone stronger assassinates him and takes over, and someone assassinates the assassin, and so on, and so on, some mad, some wise, some kind, some cruel.
"Society" becomes nothing more than endless succession of strongmen and their helpless slaves.

Well, so what, one might ask. Kings aren't any better. There are mad kings, and cruel ones, and wise ones and kind ones. This is true, but the idea behind The Divine Right of Kings is that the KING is also bound by his obligation to a higher power. Individual Kings may be as bad as the worse strongman, but society as a whole is better off because it believes that there is a higher power behind the King, and such expectations do place some constraint upon the King's actions (how much varies with the King, but the strongman has none).

Now, it's still a pretty lousy system, but if that's the "fence" that one wants to tear down, one needs to understand all of this before they seek to tear it down. The Divine Right of Kings is an improvement on the older strongman paradigm. Remove "divine" as the justification for (and expectations of) the King, and you've gone backwards. Understand why it exists in the first place, and then perhaps you can put forth the concepts "rule of law" and "consent of the governed" as the basis for a superior system. Simply recognizing that something is flawed is not enough, you have to know why something is flawed the way it is, and what benefits it provides in spite of its flaws.

And that's why Chesterton's fence illustrates a key conservative concept. Conservatives aren't opposed to change, we're opposed to change for change's sake alone, and to change without considering the cost. A Progressive will say "Cars pollute, we have to replace them with bicycles!". While it's true that bicycles don't pollute like cars do, they also don't haul large quantities of goods efficiently, they don't have the range or speed of cars and host of other things. "Don't care. Pollution bad, bikes good, do it". It's done, and the 80% of the population starves to death because food can't get to the cities in quantities sufficient to feed the population.

A conservative approach would be "Cars pollute, why don't we try replacing them with natural gas vehicles, preserving the benefits of mass transportation and mobility but polluting a lot less, and then see where we are?". It's a sober consideration of the benefits as well as the cost of cars, and an attempt to balance the two.

Chesterton's fence.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:15 PM

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1 Awesome post WD....

Posted by: Sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:23 PM (j+eDM)

2 The left does the work of the devil in order to remove those made in the image and likeness of God.

Posted by: DM at November 08, 2014 02:23 PM (6ZO0g)

3 Everything they fear must be destroyed prior to investigation. Yep.

It's easy to understand Progressives. Think like a six-year old with power to do stuff.

Posted by: akula51 at November 08, 2014 02:27 PM (R5qgD)

4 There is a fundamental problem with the concept, though. There is one part of the world that has slavery, no rights for women at all, polygamy, stoning of blasphemers, beheadings and amputations, and endless promotion of suicide bombing and murder in the name of Allah. We can see that their fence clearly needs to be torn down, big time, and the people moved into the 21st century. But do they see it? And who decides what fences stay and what fences go?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 08, 2014 02:28 PM (5f5bM)

5 I'm pretty sure this is racist, but reading is hard.

Posted by: Your Average Liberal at November 08, 2014 02:29 PM (5DM9u)

6 And who decides what fences stay and what fences go?
***
In the conservative version of the world, societies determine what kind of fences they build. And if a society tears all of its down or just builds poor ones they will fail - and you can clearly see that by looking at better ones.

Interestingly, the left can't abide this, because if people clearly have a choice of a traditional American society or a socialist state they choose the former.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 08, 2014 02:31 PM (5DM9u)

7 A fundamental concept that bugs me is the inherent incoherence of the Endangered Species Act.

Couple problems

1) The idea that humans have some duty to preserve in amber the current conditions of the world and all the current species. All organisms modify the environment to benefit themselves. And all organisms kill others to live. Every species relies on death to survive.

2) The myth of the Fragility of Nature. Millions of species have gone extinct in the past, millions will in the future. Life goes on. The eco-Left preaches a doctrine that Nature is Fragile and losing one species can doom us all. Bullshit.

3) Where do we draw the line? We try to eradicate harmful viruses and bacteria. Yet we protect microscopic fish or shrimp. Makes no sense.

I'm cool with saving cute and fluffy species that we like for aesthetic reasons. But it's insane to say we have some duty to save every species that currently exists on the planet in 2014. Do we have a duty to bring back wooly mammoths? In the future that might be technologically feasible (use elephants to birth them). As we invent artificial wombs and eggs, it will be easier to bring back extinct species. Even pull a Jurassic Park someday.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 02:32 PM (ZPrif)

8 Thought. Reason.

Pfft.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 02:33 PM (d5wO7)

9 " the Endangered Species Act.
"

Huggy, feely.

Find an endangered species on your property? Kill it. Bury it. Don't tell nobody about it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 02:35 PM (d5wO7)

10 I was thinking of this when I saw this news:

Rich progs in Chevy Chase are trying to use tiny, tiny shrimp to block the new DC Metro line coming to their town - cause they don't want poor people, they specifically moved to Chevy Chase to get away from the goddamn poor people.

Same reason Georgetown fought the DC Metro forever.

WaPost:
Chevy Chase approves $25,000 to search for endangered species DNA near Purple Line http://wapo.st/1sksMac

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 02:37 PM (ZPrif)

11 I LOVE that quote.

Until you understand why gay marriage was not allowed, you cannot allow it.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 02:37 PM (V70Uh)

12 I loathe "change fore change's sake"....

my favorite example from my youth is the waste dumpsters at Wright-Patt...

every fucking CO to cycle through that damn command changed the dumpsters...

blue, green, hell one time the assholes changed it to the old woodland camo from 'the 'nam to Reagan era....

all that wasted money effort and time for a meaningless affectation.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:38 PM (/4AZU)

13 7 Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 02:32 PM (ZPrif)

The endangered species act exists in its current form to allow politically motivated punitive attack on socialism's enemies.

That's it.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:39 PM (/4AZU)

14

ot

hmmm, just saw this; I'm so out of it.

Democrat Rep Linda Black Switches Party Affiliation To Republican

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 02:39 PM (IXrOn)

15 I have been considering this idea, in the context of the new law in California making it illegal for male college students to have sex without affirmative consent. I am old enough to remember when having sex on campus was an expulsion offense, period, unless you were married. But that fence has been torn down, and it appears some problems have developed. I have a solution;

I am thinking what they need is an App, where the female could formally register the fact that she consents to have sex, of type X, with Person Y, until time Z. If she's too drunk to enter her password, well, better leave her alone.

I am thinking they could call it iDo.

Posted by: Jerome at November 08, 2014 02:40 PM (eQa5p)

16 I have a natural gas powered vehicle. The engine intake is built into the driver's seat.

All this loose talk about the pitfalls of whining about superficial flaws in a system, while maintaining deliberate willful ignorance of how and why the system got to be the way it is, is an obvious attempt to put me out of business. You'll be hearing from my attorneys.

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 08, 2014 02:41 PM (OLFrt)

17 Progressives base their tearing down of the fence by saying it is from the past, that if it is from the past it was bad, and that is all you need to know.

Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2014 02:44 PM (Rx8ML)

18 The Burma Buddhists have decided they are done having a restive muslim minority in their county. So they'll have to leave.

Instapundit.com @instapundit 1h
MYANMAR TO MUSLIMS: Get Out.
http://bit.ly/1ow8Y7q via @instapundit

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 02:45 PM (ZPrif)

19 14 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 02:39 PM (IXrOn)

That's awesome if that is the case and "conservatives" democrats really do come home to the GOP this nation is saved.

Essentially you have the insane 20% of the democrat tail wagging the 80% dog....

and the silence of the 80% as Pelosi has flown that freak flag ever higher is a very damnable thing BUT if they see they cannot change the donks and cannot divorce their state's donk policy from the national then switching is the only sane patriotic thing to do.

This will of course moderate the GOP beyond my personal liking but the nation *is* on a precipice.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:46 PM (/4AZU)

20 I don't know what any of this means but if you don't nominate my son in 2016 the GOP is doomed.

Posted by: Jon Huntsman Sr. at November 08, 2014 02:46 PM (ttJ2z)

21 18 Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 02:45 PM (ZPrif)

Good...

Act globally and then locally....

REAL locally

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:48 PM (/4AZU)

22 so I can reasonably tear down the gate called "murder" and wipe out the progressive disease????

Posted by: WingNut at November 08, 2014 02:50 PM (E2Kig)

23 22 Posted by: WingNut at November 08, 2014 02:50 PM (E2Kig)

well uh no man we are gonna do that TO YOU!

//Occutard Wall Street

and that is where society fissures...

The left cannot stand the inviolability thus far of right of conscience and the right to disagree...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:52 PM (/4AZU)

24 You'll be hearing from my attorneys.

You ate your attorneys.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 08, 2014 02:55 PM (UVfht)

25 Correction: Since the French Revolution, the Left has been on a 250 crusade against tradition.

btw, Know why they are called "the Left"?

They sat on the left side in Parlement.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 02:56 PM (V70Uh)

26 Chesterton's fence ???

Posted by: Rev Al Sharpton at November 08, 2014 02:57 PM (84SRe)

27 26 Posted by: Rev Al Sharpton at November 08, 2014 02:57 PM (84SRe)

Damn cracka try to make you and uh I paint that FENCE Al!

//Rev Je$$e Jack$on

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 02:58 PM (/4AZU)

28 G.K. Chesterton: one of the West's most overlooked and most eloquent thinkers.

Posted by: jmel at November 08, 2014 02:59 PM (cfFqn)

29 "If it ain't broke don't fix it" vs. "If it is not broken we will fix it until it is".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 08, 2014 03:00 PM (M6Vhk)

30 In the conservative version of the world, societies determine what kind
of fences they build. And if a society tears all of its down or just
builds poor ones they will fail - and you can clearly see that by
looking at better ones.

This is the wisdom of federalism. Hey look, Texas is doing very well economically! Illinois is circling the drain. I wonder which one we should emulate?

Do we have a duty to bring back wooly mammoths?

Why yes, yes we do. Did you even need to ask?

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 03:04 PM (4nR9/)

31 In the corrections department, first sentence: it is G. K. Chesterton, not C. K. Gilbert Keith was the name.

Posted by: Flik at November 08, 2014 03:05 PM (YAxmm)

32 " I wonder which one we should emulate?"

But we do need a better fence. Rio Grande and Red Rivers.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:05 PM (d5wO7)

33 Wait, it's Saturday and football is on and my team is losing. Great post.

Liberals read Das Kapital and think they have the solution. This has been going on for over a 100 years.

It's all about elitist believing they are smarter that the rest of us, some are. The smartest know that their intelligence is a gift from God, not their own doings.

The rest think it's all about them and their brains, so you little people must submit.

Eat me.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:05 PM (0FSuD)

34 Excellent post WD. I think change for the sake of change IS the moniker of the adolescent-libtard (prog) mindset. At least a certain healthy percentage of them. Then another healthy sect of libtards see it for what it is... a chance to seize power and control for them and theirs.

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 03:07 PM (84SRe)

35 Same reason Georgetown fought the DC Metro forever.

WaPost:

Chevy Chase approves $25,000 to search for endangered species DNA near Purple Line http://wapo.st/1sksMac

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 02:37 PM (ZPrif)

Same reason DeKaulb Co, GA is refusing to approve metro. Thugs on a train at Lenox Sq. did not sell well, so the rest of the counties around ATL, said fuck you.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:08 PM (0FSuD)

36 I was with you until the closing conservative approach. Assuming you're implying that natural gas cars produces less CO2, please don't call it pollution. It's plant food. It's what we exhale. When you call it pollution, you buy in the leftist agenda that human life is evil simply because we breathe.

Posted by: lymond at November 08, 2014 03:09 PM (fzxq4)

37 They have evolved over time because they are beneficial to someone, some group of people or the entire society.

This is something that always irritates me about the progressives. They love fucking science, they tell us. So much so that Belief in Evolution is a signifier showing everyone (but most importantly themselves and their friends) that they are Intelligent and Wise. Yet they never seem to see that the traditions and mores they are so busily attacking are there because of the same evolution they so deeply believe in (however shallow their real understanding of evolution is. How many believe that evolution has a goal or end state rather than is just a sifting device?). Western society is the most powerful, freest society in history and is that way largely due to the traditions and social structures evolved over the last couple millennia.

And the "Progressives" want to replace it with one Intelligently Designed. The irony is lost on them.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at November 08, 2014 03:11 PM (8OfdL)

38 Yeah riding Marta isn't fun. You can tell everyone is nervous and uncomfortable.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 08, 2014 03:12 PM (ttJ2z)

39 I know that this is off topic, but what in the world is gamergate? I am confused.

Posted by: jmel at November 08, 2014 03:13 PM (cfFqn)

40 35
Same reason Georgetown fought the DC Metro forever.

/snips

Same
reason DeKaulb Co, GA is refusing to approve metro. Thugs on a train at
Lenox Sq. did not sell well, so the rest of the counties around ATL,
said fuck you.

Posted by: Nip Sip

When I lived in Doraville they were trying to expand MARTA into Gwinnett Co., not terribly popular with the locals for the same reasons. I rode it to see the ball games and to hit the airport but that was it.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving rope and a tree at November 08, 2014 03:16 PM (baiNQ)

41 39 Posted by: jmel at November 08, 2014 03:13 PM (cfFqn)

#GamerGate is a twitter/blog war marker....

It pits a corrupted gaming media and its Social Justice Warrior fans against "gamers"...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:17 PM (/4AZU)

42 Tossed-out-without-thinking-first exhibit 1: incandescent lightbulbs.

Posted by: m at November 08, 2014 03:18 PM (G891H)

43 38
Yeah riding Marta isn't fun. You can tell everyone is nervous and uncomfortable.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 08, 2014 03:12 PM (ttJ2z)

Unfortunately, CLT is becoming ALT.. Blacks won all local city races, and all the conservative judges lost.

God help us.
You know what MARTA stands for, of course, Moving A A's Rapidly Through Atlanta.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:19 PM (0FSuD)

44 "Yet they never seem to see that the traditions and mores they are so
busily attacking are there because of the same evolution they so deeply
believe in"

They seem to believe that morales, traditions are the creations of English WASPs 200 hundred years ago. They seem not to know that Hammurabi's Code, by an ancient Persian (or "brown" person) laying out the rules of life 4000 years ago sort of lined life out for the rest of civilized society.

Don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, etc.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:19 PM (d5wO7)

45 #Gamergate = circles within circles within circles . I think last week's podcast they touched on it and either last Sunday or the Sunday before game thread had stuff on it.

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 03:20 PM (84SRe)

46 Lib-Progs never acknowledge the existence of the giants upon whose shoulders they sit. They constantly apply contemporary standards to ancient circumstances. And they have no sense or concept of history, context, nor progress.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2014 03:20 PM (sYUHT)

47 O/T

Why is the head of our Intelligence, Clapper, flying off to Nork to bring back two low level American prisoners.

This really really smells. Something is up

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:22 PM (0FSuD)

48 So I see we gained another seat in the Congress today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:22 PM (nzKvP)

49 WeirdDave thank you for Teh awesome post!!

I am always trying to quote GKC and the concept since Ace once talked about it and I garble it badly

Bookmarked forEVAH

Posted by: ginaswo at November 08, 2014 03:23 PM (+X1qa)

50 48 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:22 PM (nzKvP)

MO Congress I believe not the Federal one...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:23 PM (/4AZU)

51 Why is the head of our Intelligence, Clapper, flying off to Nork to bring back two low level American prisoners.

This really really smells. Something is up
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:22 PM (0FSuD)

And:

1) These are 2 dopes who traveled to NK
2) One supposedly tried to defect
3) Fredo said how great it was that they were free but I NEVER heard him say squat about our Marine being released from Mexico

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:23 PM (nzKvP)

52 MO Congress I believe not the Federal one...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:23 PM (/4AZU)

Yes your right. Still more the merrier

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:25 PM (nzKvP)

53 51 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:23 PM (nzKvP)

EVERYTHING is tribal to Giggles McFuckstick....

ie he identifies with shitheads who go "singin' in the rain" in the Happy Hongul and try to go commie a lot more than a Patriotic Marine in Mexopolis

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:26 PM (/4AZU)

54 Good points Ricardo Kill. It is frustrating b/c the progs pick and choose what they want to emphasize that needs addressing while ignoring the context or totality of the argument that doesn't fit their mindset, ie, white privilege , slavery, Christianity or the crusades , Muslim hordes, native Americans, etc.

They have their idea of history and will not let facts get in the way of their college-conceived (brain washing) of the past and their view of the present and ideals of unicorn land if only conservatives wouldn't keep fighting progress!

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 03:26 PM (84SRe)

55 Thankfully you can carry on Marta now though, so I expect that makes people a little less likely to go all stabby.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 08, 2014 03:27 PM (ttJ2z)

56 It is the century of constant sacrifice by the normal to the abnormal.

Posted by: Posted by: Something that G.K. Chesterton may have said at November 08, 2014 03:28 PM (F2IAQ)

57 The thing is, societal mores do not exist in, nor arise from, a vacuum. They have evolved over time because they are beneficial to someone, some group of people or the entire society

Ironically, it is the right that believes, socially at least, in evolution.

It is the left that believes in Intelligent Design, abet with themselves as the designers...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2014 03:28 PM (lN8KC)

58 Things just on getting better in Nevada. The squish leader of the GOP Assembly just got removed from power, and the new Speaker of the Assembly will be a conservative.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2014 03:30 PM (lN8KC)

59 55
Thankfully you can carry on Marta now though, so I expect that makes people a little less likely to go all stabby.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 08, 2014 03:27 PM (ttJ2z)

Dat good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:30 PM (0FSuD)

60 NG - Someone concede?

Posted by: Harry Reid, unchallenged by the media at November 08, 2014 03:30 PM (F2IAQ)

61 Largely Hispanic Texas District Elects Black Former Undercover CIA Agent

Weasel Zippers

Sounds like an interesting guy and a comer. Had the support of both Bolton and Col. West

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:31 PM (nzKvP)

62 Yeah, think about it. Clapper flys to Nork to get two dickheads out of prison, the week after the election, but Obama can not call the President of Mexico and tell him to release a Marine.

Assholes.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:31 PM (0FSuD)

63 I don't see the use of anything I gaily walk up to. What's your point?

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 08, 2014 03:32 PM (FcR7P)

64 Ironically, it is the right that believes, socially at least, in evolution.

It is the left that believes in Intelligent Design, abet with themselves as the designers...
Posted by: The Political Hat
----------------------

The Left/Liberals believe that evolution abruptly stopped 50,000 years ago. As Derb would call them 'Left Creationists'

Posted by: Harry Reid, unchallenged by the media at November 08, 2014 03:32 PM (F2IAQ)

65
Sounds like an interesting guy and a comer. Had the support of both Bolton and Col. West

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:31 PM (nzKvP)

President of student body at Texas AM. I'll bet he was in the corpse. ha ha.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:33 PM (0FSuD)

66 >>> Same reason Georgetown fought the DC Metro forever.

"Same reason DeKaulb Co, GA is refusing to approve metro. Thugs on a train at Lenox Sq. did not sell well, so the rest of the counties around ATL, said fuck you."

Here in the SF Bay Area, the original plans for the regionwide BART none-too-rapid-transit back in the late 1960s included a spur line up into Marin County.

The Marin locals said not-just-no-but-hell-no.

Marin is affluent progtard New Age moonbat utopia. It's the place that incubated Commiefornia's good old Senator Ma'am, Barbara Boxer. It's the sort of milieu where people who are so well off that they personally will never need mass transit (BMW == "Basic Marin Wheels") will nevertheless diligently vote for candidates who promise increased mass transit funding.

That is, they want mass transit, but for the masses, not for themselves, and they want it elsewhere in the region and the state, not in their own county. Again, hell no.

Because, and there's no delicate way to put this, Marin is not very black. There's one small nexus of blacks down near the Bay, which is notable for its high crime and crummy school performance. Marinites don't want that little ink blot of trouble to spread elsewhere in their safe towns and superb schools, and they especially do not want a mass transit pipeline hooked up to places like violent Oakland in the comparatively much more black East Bay.

Marin residents will NEVER admit to this in so many words, but that's really the crux of the matter. Racially exclusionary transit policies. By good little liberals.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 08, 2014 03:33 PM (noWW6)

67 That's why democrats hate coal.

It's black.

Posted by: akula51 at November 08, 2014 03:35 PM (R5qgD)

68 Anyone hear anything about Ga. Tech/NC State game?

Posted by: Harry Reid, unchallenged by the media at November 08, 2014 03:35 PM (F2IAQ)

69 Off with stinky Reid sock...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2014 03:36 PM (F2IAQ)

70 "Anyone hear anything about Ga. Tech/NC State game?"

Yeah. They lost.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:37 PM (d5wO7)

71 Wait, 80% of the people in the cities starve to death?

*ponders*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2014 03:38 PM (oFCZn)

72 I turned it off, Tech was up 100 pts to 16 or something.. State sucks.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:39 PM (0FSuD)

73 "They don't care what it is that they are tearing down, or why it's there in the first place, they just want it gone so they can get on with building the brave new world."

So if we all live long enough, we'll see the left tearing down everything they're building now because it - gasp! - didn't bring about that brave new world?

Posted by: suitably adequate at November 08, 2014 03:39 PM (DvOSv)

74 "It's black."

But natural gas is...........clear.

They are so confounded.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:39 PM (d5wO7)

75
Car pollution helps plants grow, which means more grains, hops and barley which means more beer.

Why do leftists hate beer?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (1nB6R)

76 56-23 Tech

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (0FSuD)

77 so I can reasonably tear down the gate called "murder"

We'll know soon enough.

Posted by: Future Ferguson Rioters at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (6Eek9)

78 Right, key is to watch what ruling class progs do, not what they say.

Like section 8 housing vouchers. The talk is all about giving poor more choice in housing, more fairness, etc, etc.

Reality is it's a thinly veiled attempt to expel poor blacks from the urban core of desirable big cities that progs want to live in. If you are rich prog who wants to live downtown NYC or DC but don't like the street crime -- hey, lets give the urban poor vouchers to go live in the suburbs, in some apt complex next to the mass transit, and take their street crime to the burbs.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

79 Geeze..., looks like NC State got trounced.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (F2IAQ)

80 Costanza has just described Ferguson, yep.

Posted by: akula51 at November 08, 2014 03:41 PM (R5qgD)

81 Reality is it's a thinly veiled attempt to expel poor blacks from the urban core of desirable big cities that progs want to live in. If you are rich prog who wants to live downtown NYC or DC but don't like the street crime -- hey, lets give the urban poor vouchers to go live in the suburbs, in some apt complex next to the mass transit, and take their street crime to the burbs.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

It's hard to be fabulous when Deshawn and Deante are going to bust a cap in your ass.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2014 03:41 PM (oFCZn)

82 Yeah Hammer and I am going to UNC game at Chapel Hill with a bunch of Carolina guys. Going to be a long day I am afraid.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 08, 2014 03:42 PM (0FSuD)

83 30,000 Americans in Israel vote in midterms

nternationally, American ex-Pats typically have less than a 1 percent voter turnout rate in non-Presidential elections and only 5 percent in Presidential elections. The 18 percent of eligible Americans in Israel who voted in the 2014 elections likely continued the trend of American ex-Pats from Israel leading the world in voting in American elections (data for international voter participation in the 2014 mid-terms is not yet available).

In 2012, the 80,000 Americans who voted from Israel represented more than 25 percent of all overseas voters, representing over 50 percent turnout rate for eligible US voters in Israel.

And I bet Republicans got the bulk of those votes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 08, 2014 03:42 PM (nzKvP)

84 I have been reading a good deal of Chesterton lately. Although his style is very formal and old fashioned, it is amazing the extent to which his ideas are just as relevant today as they were a century ago.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 08, 2014 03:42 PM (8MlTP)

85 79 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2014 03:40 PM (F2IAQ)

GA Tech is a strong program that plays a hybrid of the triple option and the run and shoot....

They are hard to beat if you are too wrapped up in gimmicks.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:42 PM (/4AZU)

86 "So if we all live long enough, we'll see the left tearing down
everything they're building now because it - gasp! - didn't bring about
that brave new world?"

Heh.

Yes. They have a new meme every 10-20 years. Whatever makes them feel "good" at the time wins and Hell with the rest. Along with a forgotten memory.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:43 PM (d5wO7)

87 ehh, kinda strawmannish.

Posted by: Barack Ebola at November 08, 2014 03:43 PM (6vyOj)

88 Yeah Hammer and I am going to UNC game at Chapel Hill with a bunch of Carolina guys. Going to be a long day I am afraid.
Posted by: Nip
------------------------

You have plenty of ammo. Ask them if you need to read the program to them.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2014 03:44 PM (F2IAQ)

89 81 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2014 03:41 PM (oFCZn)

The members of the factions of Team Jackass don't really mix in daily life.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:44 PM (/4AZU)

90 Progressives and INTELLIGENT Design are mutually exclusive

Posted by: WingNut at November 08, 2014 03:44 PM (E2Kig)

91 "56-23 Tech"

Shit.

That's a beating. Sorry, NC fans.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:45 PM (d5wO7)

92 They are hard to beat if you are too wrapped up in gimmicks.
Posted by: Sven
----------------

Weren't there at least two TD's scored by Ga Tech Defense?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2014 03:45 PM (F2IAQ)

93 hey, lets give the urban poor vouchers to go live in the suburbs

Also, let's give them their own form of currency, EBT cards, which completely restricts their movement.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2014 03:45 PM (FcR7P)

94 And that's why Chesterton's fence illustrates a key conservative concept. Conservatives aren't opposed to change, we're opposed to change for change's sake alone, and to change without considering the cost.

Speaking of SCIENCE, the liberals I know well do not understand the concept of Cause and Effect.

Their fatal flaw in the evolutionary chain of events.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 03:46 PM (IXrOn)

95 That's a beating. Sorry, NC fans.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
----------------

Some of us have a Ga. Tech Diploma

Posted by: Guy with a Ga. Tech Diploma at November 08, 2014 03:47 PM (F2IAQ)

96 I have been reading a good deal of Chesterton lately. Although his style is very formal and old fashioned, it is amazing the extent to which his ideas are just as relevant today as they were a century ago.

Almost like that frenchy feller, detokerville or sumsuch. Amazing how them old dudes from yesteryear could think through things and write down their thoughts in a clear, intelligible, sensical manner. Like them founding dudes too.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 08, 2014 03:48 PM (JO9+V)

97 Kipling

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 03:48 PM (84SRe)

98 46
Lib-Progs never acknowledge the existence of the giants upon whose
shoulders they sit. They constantly apply contemporary standards to
ancient circumstances. And they have no sense or concept of history,
context, nor progress.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2014 03:20 PM (sYUHT)

-----
No recognition of the value of history, and with that a self assurance that they know exactly what the future will bring. History shows that every group that is self assured about the future is certain to be proven a fool, but leftists don't know that, because leftists think history is something to be ignored or distorted.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 08, 2014 03:48 PM (UvR6d)

99 "Some of us have a Ga. Tech Diploma"

Ah.

A college boy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:49 PM (d5wO7)

100 Froma Harridan had an article in the local paper (they still carry syndicated stuff but it's days later usually) where she exhorts liberals to forget about the federal government (Froma knew they were fucked on Tuesday, obviously) and make liberal change on the state level!

*looks at post election map*

Ain't happening here, Froma.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2014 03:49 PM (oFCZn)

101 Thanks for the thought-provoking essay, WeirdDave.

Posted by: m at November 08, 2014 03:49 PM (G891H)

102 The Left/Liberals believe that evolution abruptly stopped 50,000 years ago. As Derb would call them 'Left Creationists'

Posted by: Harry Reid, unchallenged by the media at November 08, 2014 03:32 PM (F2IAQ)

They deny biology. For Mammals, and most other Animals, sexuality is a reproductive drive, and members of a species have biologically driven behaviors.

Yet, the Left treat humans as if they are not mammals, but as "black slates" when it comes to behavior, and that "gender" and "sexuality" are social constructs.

the Left hates science.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2014 03:50 PM (lN8KC)

103 Great post, weird Dave.

What makes the left so damned difficult to fight is because they are successfully able to hide their entirely selfish motives under a cloak of selflessness, which has fooled millions and will continue to fool millions.

"I don't want power for myself, oh no, I want to help the poor and suffering. And if you don't give me the power to help them it's because you hate the poor."

The story about the Chevy Chase leftists fighting the expansion of the DC Metro by claiming it will harm the environment is a great example. They can't admit their true motivation is to keep the poor out of Chevy Chase (so they can continue to advocate for welfare programs for the DC poor while being insulated from the results of those programs), so they yell about an "endangered species" instead. That makes any critics into heartless Gaia haters and lets the Left keep the moral high ground.

I think the chief reason that the Left hates us so much is that we not only challenge their claim to power, but their moral superiority. They can do awful things without batting an eye because they claim to be acting nobly and selflessly. The Right keeps telling them, "No, you're not noble or selfless, you're greedy and power-hungry" and that infuriates them.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at November 08, 2014 03:50 PM (+XMAD)

104 hey, lets give the urban poor vouchers to go live in the suburbs

But not school vouchers. No way. Because trachers unions.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 08, 2014 03:50 PM (JO9+V)

105

If you like this thread, you may like this series:

Utopia

Utopia will follow a group of people who find themselves in possession of a manuscript of a cult graphic novel. The tome is rumoured to have predicted the worst disasters of the last century and the group soon find themselves targeted by a shadowy organisation known only as The Network.
- Written by Digital Spy

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2384811/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

It's like a British Quentin Tarantino like show.

We have one episode left, and I hope it does not disappoint.

You do not find out what is really going on until about halfway through. Utopia, as defined by a group of people...

Like this thread.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 03:50 PM (IXrOn)

106 92 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 08, 2014 03:45 PM (F2IAQ)

Probably...he stresses a sound somehwat unuaul(as used by the acandemies) running game a sound passing game and a defense that tees off on burst speed.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:51 PM (/4AZU)

107 "No recognition of the value of history, and with that a self assurance
that they know exactly what the future will bring. History shows that
every group that is self assured about the future is certain to be
proven a fool"

Effing. Word.

Gird yourselves.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:51 PM (d5wO7)

108 Amazing how them old dudes from yesteryear could
think through things and write down their thoughts in a clear,
intelligible, sensical manner. Like them founding dudes too.

Posted by: Count de Monet

To be fair, they didn't have the internet, so their attentions spans never withered. Attention spans are good for deep thinking about the eternal verities.

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 03:51 PM (4nR9/)

109 The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

Alexis de Tocqueville

Posted by: Ook at November 08, 2014 03:52 PM (E/isQ)

110 wow time for some new batteries for the Logitech wireless from hell....

apologies

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:52 PM (/4AZU)

111 A college boy.
Posted by: Ricardo
----------------------

I'm not proud of it, but feel with the horde I can admit my shortcomings.

Posted by: Guy with a Diploma at November 08, 2014 03:52 PM (F2IAQ)

112 100
Froma Harridan had an article in the local paper (they still carry
syndicated stuff but it's days later usually) where she exhorts liberals
to forget about the federal government (Froma knew they were fucked on
Tuesday, obviously) and make liberal change on the state level!

*looks at post election map*

Ain't happening here, Froma.

Jeebus, is she color-blind?

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 03:53 PM (4nR9/)

113 Gird yourselves.
Posted by: Ricardo

* searches for 'How to Gird Yourself' poster *

Posted by: Guy with a Diploma at November 08, 2014 03:54 PM (F2IAQ)

114 @98 Dave

That is some good shit, man. You are prescient.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:54 PM (d5wO7)

115 98 Posted by: Dave S. at November 08, 2014 03:48 PM (UvR6d)

I have dedicated my life to historic research.

The pursuit of understanding Mankind and most especially America's timeline helped keep me focused on pursuing a way out of the projects.

The ascendancy of stupid leftist idiocy has convinced me it was a pursuit wasted....

I cannot wrap my head around the layman LIV/FSAer not grasping nor even caring how we got to where we are.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at November 08, 2014 03:55 PM (/4AZU)

116 Gird yourselves.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill

I prefer holding onto my lugnuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBR0oNp9A7c

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 03:55 PM (4nR9/)

117 I cannot wrap my head around the layman LIV/FSAer not grasping nor even caring how we got to where we are.
Posted by: Sven
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Academe --> media -->LIV brains

Posted by: Guy with a Diploma at November 08, 2014 03:56 PM (F2IAQ)

118 Lib-Progs never acknowledge the existence of the giants upon whose shoulders they sit. They constantly apply contemporary standards to ancient circumstances. And they have no sense or concept of history, context, nor progress.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2014 03:20 PM (sYUHT)

Instead of them saying, hey, I just had a brilliant thought, I wonder how many other people have had this same thought?, they say, I am brilliant!

It's like they just never pass a certain level of thought/wisdom. Sayet is so dead on. Their brains never mature past a certain point. Is it really just their environment always telling them how great they are/were versus learning humility, responsibility and teamwork, and just plain ole thinking, etc...

Or, maybe it's just childish denial so they can keep patting themselves on the back.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 03:56 PM (IXrOn)

119 a good "Keep Calm" poster from the Con Tree Hse; http://bit.ly/1Ersia1

heh

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 03:58 PM (84SRe)

120 No recognition of the value of history, and with
that a self assurance that they know exactly what the future will bring.
History shows that every group that is self assured about the future is
certain to be proven a fool, but leftists don't know that, because
leftists think history is something to be ignored or distorted.

Posted by: Dave S

Lefties base their world view on the demented ramblings of a 19th Century crank, and then proclaim themselves to be on the side of inevitable history. It's science! Or history, or something. Shut Up!

The really amusing thing is that almost none of them have actually, you know, read any history.

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 03:58 PM (4nR9/)

121 Academe --> media -->LIV brains
Posted by: Guy with a Diploma at November 08, 2014 03:56 PM (F2IAQ)

~~COEXIST~~ CODEPENDENCY

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 03:59 PM (IXrOn)

122 So the new att gen nominee, was one of Hillary's lawyers for Whitewater.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 04:00 PM (ZPrif)

123 So the new att gen nominee, was one of Hillary's lawyers for Whitewater.
Posted by: Costanza
------------------

Oh? Linky?

Posted by: Guy with a Diploma at November 08, 2014 04:00 PM (F2IAQ)

124 Old code is good code.

Posted by: Every Operations Guy to some Developer at some point. at November 08, 2014 04:00 PM (DL2i+)

125 a good "Keep Calm" poster from the Con Tree Hse; http://bit.ly/1Ersia1

heh
Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 03:58 PM (84SRe)

haha

Thanks for that.

Most of it is so sad, tho.

Time to get moving again.
/wave

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 04:01 PM (IXrOn)

126 Thank you for wonderful post, WeirdDave. On your bike v. vehicle point: I have been screaming for six years, if the left really believed in their talking points the stimulus would have been a bold move for Gaia. They could have created nationwide CNG fueling stations, given grants to retrofit vehicles and the money would have truly gone to "jobs." But, instead money went to politicians and cronies, like Hagan's hubby, Chip.

Posted by: ever at November 08, 2014 04:02 PM (QZdJj)

127 Boy Chesterson's Fence is pretty popular here. I know Ace has used it a couple of times before.

Posted by: Rocks at November 08, 2014 04:02 PM (vR0sZ)

128 Cars pollute,

Trivially compared to volcanoes.

Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2014 04:02 PM (DL2i+)

129 You fuckers are doomed.

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville at November 08, 2014 04:03 PM (V70Uh)

130 My dog went into heat once (once!) -- all the boy dogs were suddenly interested in her and paying attention to her, wanting to share dog treats with her. But not afterwards and not before.

I blame the doggie patriarchy. The male dog gaze is cruel. It's like they are only interested when she's young and fertile. You know it was a male dog that invented that system!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 04:03 PM (ZPrif)

131
They don't care what it is that they are tearing down, or why it's there in the first place, they just want it gone so they can get on with building the brave new world.

I have serious doubts about the left's commitment to the "building the brave new world" thing. They seem to spend a HELL of a lot of time on destruction and not much at all on the hard work of building their utopia from scratch.

In other words, it's like the reason that Che left Cuba so soon after the revolution: it's a hell of a lot more fun blowing trains up than making them run on time.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2014 04:03 PM (OMTVG)

132 Optimism is cowardice.

Posted by: Oswald Spengler at November 08, 2014 04:04 PM (V70Uh)

133 Oh, nice. Obama lets the world bring up Whitewater again. Heh heh heh.

Posted by: akula51 at November 08, 2014 04:04 PM (R5qgD)

134 Old code is good code.
Posted by: Every Operations Guy to some Developer
---------------------

Oh, man. Wait until we roll out ME..., it's gonna be great!

Posted by: MS developer at November 08, 2014 04:05 PM (F2IAQ)

135 Funny, isn't it, how we in the Horde refer to ourselves as "Morons", but are actually a rather brilliant crowd as a whole.

While the left proclaims themselves to be "Brilliant", but act as true mental morons at nearly every turn.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 08, 2014 04:05 PM (7x4lH)

136 You fuckers are doomed.

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville at November 08, 2014 04:03 PM (V70Uh)

And how!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 08, 2014 04:06 PM (JO9+V)

137 For every two bugs you fix, a new one is introduced.

Posted by: Statistics from IBM at November 08, 2014 04:06 PM (V70Uh)

138 You fuckers are doomed.

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville
--------------------------

If this had been an actual Alert, it would have been in French.

Posted by: MS developer at November 08, 2014 04:06 PM (F2IAQ)

139 Pardon me while I change my sock

Posted by: tbodie at November 08, 2014 04:07 PM (6Eek9)

140 Tom McGovern @jefe_viejo 1h
Remember Whitewater? Search this article for the name Loretta Lynch. http://t.co/xCfzDWuNIa

The two lawyers representing the Clintons are Susan P. Thomases, a longtime friend, and Loretta Lynch, a campaign aide, who participated in several hours of interviews at Ms. Thomases' Manhattan offices Thursday and Friday. Payments on Debt

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 04:07 PM (ZPrif)

141 From Drudge: Debbie Wassamattu Schultz is leading an examination of what problems exist in the party that led to their crushing defeat. They retooling at messaging, not policy. If they could only find the tight lie.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 08, 2014 04:08 PM (8MlTP)

142 I have serious doubts about the left's commitment to the "building the brave new world" thing. They seem to spend a HELL of a lot of time on destruction and not much at all on the hard work of building their utopia from scratch.

-
What the world needs now is hate, sweet hate.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 08, 2014 04:10 PM (8MlTP)

143 129 You fuckers are doomed.

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville at November 08, 2014 04:03 PM (V70Uh)

I think that was the original title, but his friends convinced him to change it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2014 04:10 PM (oFCZn)

144 I must've thought about this one too hard last night, because I've had a splitting headache all day. Cars and pollution was just an arbitrary example, I wasn't actually seriously proposing that we do one or the other. I was granting the premise "cars cause pollution" in order to illustrate different approaches to solving the problem.

Posted by: Weirddave at November 08, 2014 04:11 PM (9422s)

145 128
Cars pollute,

Trivially compared to volcanoes.

Posted by: DaveA

Well, some of us know how to handle them.

Posted by: Joe at November 08, 2014 04:12 PM (4nR9/)

146 Debbie Wassamattu Schultz is leading an examination of what problems exist in the party that led to their crushing defeat.

Uhhhhhh....

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 04:12 PM (4nR9/)

147 You fuckers are doomed.

Masthead for AoSHQ version 2.0

Posted by: tbodie at November 08, 2014 04:13 PM (6Eek9)

148 That is some good shit, man. You are prescient.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 08, 2014 03:54 PM (d5wO7)

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Thanks a bunch. You can not look at history and not come away with a sense of humility about human nature, either individually or collectively. Especially the lies we will tell ourselves to reach self serving ends. History forces modesty. Events will always arise, and change the world in ways nobody expected.
Leftism can not tolerate modesty. There is no action that is outside the scope of their sphere of influence over society. You also can't tell the lies they tell themselves if you look at history critically. Especially, the idea that anything they try is new, in any meaningful way. They are destroying the humanities in education, for this very reason.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 08, 2014 04:13 PM (UvR6d)

149 Cars do cause pollution. Everything does. Existing does. Entropy and all that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 08, 2014 04:14 PM (ZPrif)

150 Debbie Wassamattu Schultz is leading an examination of what problems exist in the party that led to their crushing defeat.

What a long-winded way of saying 'is looking in the mirror'.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2014 04:14 PM (FcR7P)

151 From the DWS link at Drudge:
""Our party has a problem," Wasserman Schultz
said in a video announcing the project. "We know we're right on the
issues. The American people believe in the causes we're fighting for."

I think I see your problem, Deb.

Posted by: pep at November 08, 2014 04:15 PM (4nR9/)

152 If the gate so much as delays one cow from escaping the common pasture to graze on the 1% grass then the gate is evil and must be destroyed.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 08, 2014 04:17 PM (zauWW)

153 The progs whole premise re: pollution is, humans are the PROBLEM .... if only we didn't exist, the Earth would be so much better off. It wouldn't be enough for us to go back to huts for them either, IMO, they'd then be the ones saying we should light fire pits at night to stay warm, invade caves for shelter, nor till the earth for planting food, because to them, we are the invasive species and must be controlled and inhibited. Too harsh?

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 04:18 PM (84SRe)

154 All humans need to die so that Nature can be restored to her virginity.

Posted by: Misanthrope at November 08, 2014 04:19 PM (V70Uh)

155 Kill it. filet it, grill it and then Bury it

Conserve the tasty bits.

Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2014 04:20 PM (DL2i+)

156 Notre Dame is feeling DWS' pain right now.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2014 04:20 PM (FcR7P)

157 My apologies if there is a moron with the name "Misanthrope."

I did not intend to sock puppet and regular "contributor."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:22 PM (V70Uh)

158 they don't want poor people

You misspelled criminals.

Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2014 04:22 PM (DL2i+)

159 Another OT: Progressive Taxes explained by Prager University video over at College Insurrection http://bit.ly/1ErusGz 5 minutes and well done. heh

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 04:24 PM (84SRe)

160 Too harsh?

Yes, their real concern is that there are too many of 'you people'. The environment would thrive with the lower number of 'the right people'.

Posted by: t-bird at November 08, 2014 04:24 PM (FcR7P)

161
they don't want poor people

You misspelled criminals.

Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2014 04:22 PM (DL2i+)

Actually, that's brilliant. Let's pass a law that makes it illegal to be poor!

Posted by: The Donks at November 08, 2014 04:25 PM (OMTVG)

162 Without listening/reading the thing on Progressive taxes, let me say this:

I refuse to be lectured to about morality by someone that does not understand the simple immorality of Progressive Income Taxes.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:31 PM (V70Uh)

163 Took my wife and daughters to the range today. (They all 3 did great.) MO Dept. of Conservation built and runs the range. It's awesome, and largely free. They dinged us $3.00 to shoot on the patterning range, unlimited paper targets. Skeet, trap, pistol/rifle and archery. Beautiful outdoor setting, 10 minute from my front door. My kind of government program.
Off to meet Dana Loesch tonight, and get our copiy of her new book signed tonight.
Life is good.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 08, 2014 04:33 PM (5buP8)

164 Grampa Jimbo... you miss the point. Watch 1 minute of it and you'll see... the vid makes your point... and makes it well. The whole thing is a well done slap of clarity on our stupidly "progressive" income tax .

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 04:34 PM (84SRe)

165 The left must have no gates. Because they will have no bounds.

Posted by: Erowmero at November 08, 2014 04:35 PM (go5uR)

166 Yet, the Left treat humans as if they are not mammals, but as "black slates" when it comes to behavior, and that "gender" and "sexuality" are social constructs.
the Left hates science.

Except when "they're born that way, haters!!". I always love how the Left always claims they're sophisticated thinkers, able to see the complexity of every situation. Except when it comes to sexuality in general and homosexuality specifically. Then it's the simplest of answers.

For the record, I think orientation IS complex; some homosexuals are in fact born that way, others are groomed or otherwise damaged by sexual abuse, while others are 'really' bi and go one way or the other for reasons of their own (conscious or unconscious).

Posted by: J. Random Dude at November 08, 2014 04:36 PM (8OfdL)

167 Wow... BRS, I didn't know Missouri was cool like that. That's a great deal. I don't even think we have subsidized gun ranges in TX... We need to work on that!

Posted by: Yip at November 08, 2014 04:36 PM (84SRe)

168 Speaking of gun ranges, who was it who went to a range on the Eastern Shore recently -- was it you, WeirdDave? What range was it?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 08, 2014 04:38 PM (QBm1P)

169 I just watched the video. It's good. It goes back to the Ten Commandments.

Thou shalt not steal.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:39 PM (V70Uh)

170 btw, I didn't miss the point. I somehow knew the point beforehand.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:40 PM (V70Uh)

171 Rain Man, yours must be a sad, sad life.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 08, 2014 04:41 PM (FB5rG)

172 CNN has lost it.
I smell chaos. And firings. Or a buyout.

CNN Banner Proclaims That Seal Killed 'Obama'

dailycaller

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 04:42 PM (IXrOn)

173 167 Wow... BRS, I didn't know Missouri was cool like that. That's a great deal. I don't even think we have subsidized gun ranges in TX... We need to work on that!
Yup, we really are lucky. And one thing I've noticed: people are always SO polite at the range.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 08, 2014 04:43 PM (5buP8)

174 Read Judge Sutton's opinion upholding straight- only marriage and contrast with opinions striking it down. It illustrates this issue well.

Posted by: Crispian at November 08, 2014 04:43 PM (Hxk0g)

175 CNN has lost it.
I smell chaos. And firings. Or a buyout.

CNN Banner Proclaims That Seal Killed 'Obama'

dailycaller
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 04:42 PM (IXrOn)

Guess CNN really believes Osama = Obama

Posted by: tbodie at November 08, 2014 04:44 PM (6Eek9)

176 For the record, I think orientation IS complex; some homosexuals are in fact born that way, others are groomed or otherwise damaged by sexual abuse, while others are 'really' bi and go one way or the other for reasons of their own.

My N=1 experience is that almost every gay woman I've known, and I've know a lot (I was in the Army), has had at least one negative experience that involved a guy. A parent or relative touched them, they were raped, or saw a rape, or got beat up by a guy. I have never met a normal, adjusted lesbian woman.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 08, 2014 04:50 PM (5buP8)

177 Obama. Osama.

Same difference.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:50 PM (V70Uh)

178 An interesting read:

http://eurocivilwar2017.wordpress.com/

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 08, 2014 04:51 PM (lN8KC)

179 "The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it..."

Chesterton was more prescient than perhaps he even knew.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2014 04:52 PM (cbnkt)

180 172,175 Poor CNN banner typist. I remember Rush talking about it before the '12 elections. He kept swapping the names, caught himself a couple times but other times completely missed that he had swapped OB vs OS. I hope they at least had Obama Bin Laden, or idiot proggies may start rioting over EarLeaders assassination.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 08, 2014 04:54 PM (7w/kf)

181 CNN Banner Proclaims That Seal Killed 'Obama'

dailycaller

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 08, 2014 04:42 PM (IXrOn)

In Russia, seal blows you.

Posted by: Vlad Putin at November 08, 2014 04:54 PM (8Fl6F)

182 178,

Kitchener was a weird guy (I just watched "Khartoum"), but he nailed it about WWI (according to "The Guns of August").

It was not going to be a short war.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:56 PM (V70Uh)

183 Any morons out there have an opinion on Smashburger?

I discovered one close to where I live... (There's 5 of them in the Cincy region.)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 08, 2014 04:57 PM (/mTq0)

184 "Rahm Emanuel, the former White House Chief of Staff. Gantry had been the chief spokesman and leader of the NGO Queers Undermining the Oppression of Muslims."

Are you fcuking kidding me?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 04:59 PM (V70Uh)

185 183 Any morons out there have an opinion on Smashburger?

I discovered one close to where I live... (There's 5 of them in the Cincy region.)
Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 08, 2014 04:57 PM (/mTq0)

It's OK, not the greatest burger place but better than any fast food chain

Posted by: MikeH at November 08, 2014 04:59 PM (4OZqu)

186 183. Are they the chain that tells you what ranch the beef came from and maybe what farm for the fries? Have not eaten there and it may just be hipster P/R move but I liked the idea.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 08, 2014 05:01 PM (7w/kf)

187 WZ has piece that US kiled ISIS leaders in bombing today & they cleared out hospital asking for blood!

Posted by: Carol at November 08, 2014 05:02 PM (sj3Ax)

188 Oh yes, there is a brand called "Utopia" that has the lineage of the beef and what type of grain it ate. They also sell spuds and every package tells you what farm it was grown upon.

They have an 800 number for customer queries: 1-800-eat-shit.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 05:04 PM (V70Uh)

189 Any morons out there have an opinion on Smashburger?

I discovered one close to where I live... (There's 5 of them in the Cincy region.)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 08, 2014 04:57 PM (/mTq0)

They're good. Not great, but satisfying enough. Good milkshakes.

Posted by: The Burger Hat at November 08, 2014 05:06 PM (lN8KC)

190 They have an 800 number for customer queries: 1-800-eat-shit.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 05:04 PM (V70Uh)

Their free-range tofu is to die for!

Posted by: LaSoya Jackson at November 08, 2014 05:07 PM (8Fl6F)

191 183
Any morons out there have an opinion on Smashburger?

I discovered one close to where I live... (There's 5 of them in the Cincy region.)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 08, 2014 04:57 PM (/mTq0)

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I like it, but there are a few other local places I prefer for burgers. A couple guys I work with are Smashburger regulars, so I'll go with them for lunch sometimes.

I think Dewey's Pizza started in Cincy, yes? They have a few in my town (St. Louis), and I love that place.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 08, 2014 05:08 PM (UvR6d)

192 Hi Carol!

Are you feeling any better? Saw earlier this week that neck was acting up again.

Posted by: tbodie at November 08, 2014 05:09 PM (6Eek9)

193 I think Dewey's Pizza started in Cincy, yes? They have a few in my town (St. Louis), and I love that place.

Yeah, I think it was started by Bill Dewitt's kid. Hence the name. AND, yes, Deweys is the best pizza I have ever eaten.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 08, 2014 05:12 PM (5buP8)

194 How have the GOP disappointed us today?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 08, 2014 05:14 PM (XzRw1)

195 We don't have to off and ponder what the purpose of the liberal's laws and programs are, we just need to read the bastard's books.

Posted by: Jean at November 08, 2014 05:20 PM (QF6ak)

196 Actually I think its just smart advertising if you are selling burgers or steaks in KS, NE, etc to announce you are serving local beef, not some stuff bought by the ship full from Argentina.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 08, 2014 05:24 PM (7w/kf)

197 How have the GOP disappointed us today?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 08, 2014 05:14 PM (XzRw1)

Quite the opposite. Conservatives just took over the GOP caucus in the Nevada Assembly, and a right-winger will be elected Assembly Speaker.

Posted by: The Assembly Hat at November 08, 2014 05:25 PM (lN8KC)

198 But that Argentinian beef is so good for helping young girls to grow breasts.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at November 08, 2014 05:29 PM (V70Uh)

199 Nood.

2nd Amendment post.

Posted by: The Hat of Rights at November 08, 2014 05:37 PM (lN8KC)

200 They are claiming they killed the head of ISIS Al baghdadi

Posted by: thunderb at November 08, 2014 05:50 PM (zOTsN)

201
Chesterton's Fence is logic.

Liberals do not speak Logic. They speak Emotion.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 08, 2014 05:51 PM (4ckfx)

202 144 I must've thought about this one too hard last night, because I've had a splitting headache all day. Cars and pollution was just an arbitrary example, I wasn't actually seriously proposing that we do one or the other. I was granting the premise "cars cause pollution" in order to illustrate different approaches to solving the problem.

Posted by: Weirddave at November 08, 2014 04:11 PM (9422s)

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It's a good illustration, though.

The standard Leftist reaction to the suggestion of "Let's use more Natural Gas", is...'because fracking!'

The Left has decided they must demonize Fracking, in order to support their preference for Wind and Solar.

Some of their more ridiculous claims:
"Fracking causes earthquakes!"
"Fracking causes pollution!"

The Left doesn't even care that OPEC has been providing most of the funding behind the demonization of Natural Gas.
They shrug off that inconvenient truth.

On the subject of money...

Google is asking for a Federal Bailout of their Solar Company:

http://tinyurl.com/k2649a7

Link goes to Twitchy.

Posted by: wheatie at November 08, 2014 06:08 PM (1uDqF)

203 swwshshsssssghghghghssssssssss....and I must be confusciousing things like posted above,--God helps those that help themselves,
My...ysssssssshshshshghghsssswrsssssssshshshshhhhh..butler B.Dennnehy agrees totally in attending church on Sundays. Denoms and parishes are optional, of course. ssswsssghwwssss and hold the fucking backbacon.
up yours

Posted by: stephen livingston seagal at November 08, 2014 07:15 PM (UFPdl)

204 off sock

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, back with a vengeance at November 08, 2014 07:43 PM (NeFrd)

205 46
Lib-Progs never acknowledge the existence of the giants upon whose
shoulders they sit. They constantly apply contemporary standards to
ancient circumstances. And they have no sense or concept of history,
context, nor progress.
Posted by: goatexchange at November 08, 2014 03:20 PM (sYUHT)
**********************

One of the serious shortcomings among Lib-Progs is their tendency to stop at the first convenient conclusion. Thinking past that is a skill that is poorly developed among them.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at November 08, 2014 08:02 PM (cr0Pu)

206 Slow conscious change (if any) after deliberative discussion: Conservative.

Emotionally motivated change to immediately alter norms so aberration becomes acceptable: Radical.

Socialism is Radical by nature. Added to its white genocide agenda and it's a fatal cocktail.

Posted by: Some people don't like Palin. Some people don't like gooseberries for that matter. at November 08, 2014 08:05 PM (BMv5m)

207 This just in...I can't make hush puppies fershit, but I'm pretty good with the chocolate chip cookies.

Carry on.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 08, 2014 08:37 PM (6fyGz)

208 "Utopia is
not under the slightest obligation to produce results: its sole function
is to allow its devotees to condemn what exists in the name of what does
not."

Jean-Fran�ois Revel, Last Exit to Utopia

Posted by: tanstaafl at November 09, 2014 09:19 AM (lGOu8)

209 "The foundation of their creed was the assumption that there was nothing in the existing structure of society which did not deserve to be razed to the ground, and that all would be well if it were replaced by something as different as possible."

- Rebecca West in The New Meaning of Freedom, on George Bernard Shaw, H. G. Wells, Sidney and Beatrice Webb, and their followers. She was part of that circle for years - she was Wells' mistress and had his child.

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at November 09, 2014 11:36 PM (38t7z)

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