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Sunday Morning Book Thread - 10-04-2026 ["Perfessor" Squirrel]
Welcome to the prestigious, internationally acclaimed, stately, and illustrious Sunday Morning Book Thread! The place where all readers are welcome, regardless of whatever guilty pleasure we feel like reading (now with 3x the recommended daily allowance of pumpkin spice). Here is where we can discuss, argue, bicker, quibble, consider, debate, confabulate, converse, and jaw about our latest fancy in reading material. As always, pants are required, unless you are wearing these pants...
So relax, find yourself a warm kitty (or warm puppy--I won't judge) to curl up in your lap, finish off the bag of pre-Halloween candy, and dive into a new book. What are YOU reading this fine morning?
PIC NOTE
Today's pic is the mostly complete Secret History of the World by F. Paul Wilson. My hallway is about the only space large enough in my house to lay it all out in all its glory. It's a cosmic horror story that is comprised of multiple series, stand alone novels, and short stories, all culminating in Nightworld, which wraps up all the loose threads into a terrifying finale. The entire world is on the brink of being sucked into a hell dimension ruled over by the "Otherness," an inimical eldritch abomination that seeks to dominate our universe, one bite at a time. It's only stopped by the "Ally," another eldritch abomination that's only slightly less malevolent than the Otherness. It simply wants to stop the Otherness, but doesn't care what tools it uses among humanity to accomplish its goal. Anyway, I thought it would be kind of neat to see it all laid out in chronological order here.
"DIVERSITY" IN LITERATURE--WHY IS IT ALL THE SAME?
Although the BookTuber above is describing the state of modern fantasy, I suspect that his comments can be applied across genres in modern publishing. His main point is that some books are so similar to previous books that they blur the line with respect to plagiarism. However, this isn't a new problem, as he points out. Terry Brooks' The Sword of Shannara is widely acknowledged by most fantasy readers--including Brooks himself--that it's a cut-and-paste version of Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien. This was a deliberate choice by Brooks' publisher Lester Del Rey to capture the fantasy market by providing readers with a book that's similar to--but not quite exactly--the most popular fantasy book up until that point. Several other publishers such as Bantam Spectra, Tor Books, and DAW Books took a similar approach to launch a flagship author under their brand.
Readers of genre fiction read books within their preferred genres because the *like* the tropes and plotlines within those genres, even when they may feel very similar to one another. We are creatures of habit. We *like* familiar things. Suddenly turning to an unfamiliar genre of fiction feels strange and unnatural. Now, tastes DO change and expand over time, so just because we start out liking one or two genres when we are young doesn't mean we are locked into only reading books within that genre. In fact, by consuming a large number of books within a genre, we can discover that we hunger for something different, so we'll stray outside our comfort zone to find books that may provide a similar reading experience but within a different context. For example, readers of grimdark fantasy might decide to read horror novels because they get a similar emotional experience. Or science fiction readers who enjoy exploration might turn to mysteries because they enjoy the feeling of discovering the unknown.
Another point Library of a Viking makes is that the marketing and promotion of books has become very algorithmic in its application. Publishers and content creators have detailed analytical tools at their fingertips that show where they can maximize their revenue by promoting content that fits within certain niches. They are incentivized to stay within certain lanes based on what sells to their audience. LoaV even admits that he's as guilty of this as any content creator. Even though he might prefer to discuss nonfiction books or less familiar fantasy books, he knows from experience that he'll be rewarded by focusing on the most popular books within his genre. But there's also a feedback loop in this. The more books like Fourth Wing are talked about by popular BookTubers, the more likely it is that smaller channels will also go along with the crowd to maximize their own revenue streams, thus expanding the exposure of these popular books.
Some channels of marketing and promotion don't allow for much in the way of descriptions, either. BookTok is for 30-second snippets of content. How can anyone describe a massive series of books in that amount of time? Monty Python did a sketch about a conteat to describe Marcel Proust's In Search of Lost Time--one of the longest and most complex novels in French literature--in a mere 15 seconds. It's simply not possible to convey the nuance of a story as rich and detailed as Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy within 30 seconds without trying to compare it to something the reader might be familiar with, such as George R.R. Martin's A Song of Fire and Ice. The two storylines could not be more different despite the surface level similarities, i.e., a kingdom falling into disarray through chaos and neglect due to outside threats, characters who can speak to animals, and who experience morally complicated situations that don't always lead to a happy outcome, etc.
Even here at AoSHQ, the comment boxes don't allow for lengthy descriptions of your favorite books unless you split them up into multiple comments. If you want a post a detailed review of a book you love, you'll either have to go that route--splitting up your review into multiple comments--or send your review to a COB and see if one of us will post your review. So you may be forced by circumstance to give us Morons a very brief summary and compare the book to something else with which we might be familiar.
Regardless of genre, I think it's OK to have books that provide similar structures, themes, characters, plots, etc., though we do have to watch out for the more blatant forms of plagiarism that are running rampant nowadays thanks to the proliferation of AI-generated writing. AI is only going to make the problem worse. For the most part, I don't find myself attracted to much in the way of modern fantasy or science fiction UNLESS it's a new publication from an author I already know. Tad Williams just published a new book in the world of Osten Ard (The Splintered Sun). I didn't even bother reading the blurb before ordering it because I love Tad Williams and I know I'll enjoy the story. Larry Correia is another author I'm happy to support whenever a new book comes out because he's a very entertaining author. But I don't think I'll be reading any Joe Abercrombie (The First Law Trilogy) or R. F. Kuang (The Poppy War) because they simply don't interest me, no matter how popular they are on BookTube.
What say you, Horde? Do you like books that are similar to previous books? Or are you always on the hunt for something different?
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WHAT I'VE ACQUIRED RECENTLY
I've picked up a few more books recently, because apparently I'm a book addict or something...Try not to judge me too harshly. Maybe I need to join a support group. On the plus side, this should keep me busy and out of trouble for some time. If only I didn't have to work or teach class...
The Third Book of Witness - Legacies of Betrayal by Steven Erikson -- This is a short novel by Erikson standards--only 300 pages.
The Splintered Sun by Tad Williams -- This appears to be a stand-alone novel set in his world of Osten Ard.
Generations Book 1 - Timeless by R. A. Salvatore
Generations Book 2 - Boundless by R. A. Salvatore
Generations Book 3 - Relentless by R. A. Salvatore
Way of the Drow Book 1 - Starlight Enclave by R. A. Salvatore
Way of the Drow Book 2 - Glacier's Edge by R. A. Salvatore
Way of the Drow Book 3 - Lolth's Warrior by R. A. Salvatore
Liveship Traders Book 3 - Ship of Destiny by Robin Hobb
Tawny Man Trilogy Book 1 - Fool's Fate by Robin Hobb
Tawny Man Trilogy Book 2 - The Golden Fool by Robin Hobb
Tawny Man Trilogy Book 3 - Fool's Errand by Robin Hobb
The Rain Wild Chronicles Book 1 - Dragon Keeper by Robin Hobb
The Rain Wild Chronicles Book 2 - Dragon Haven by Robin Hobb
The Rain Wild Chronicles Book 3 - City of Dragons by Robin Hobb
The Rain Wild Chronicles Book 4 - Blood of Dragons by Robin Hobb
Fitz and the Fool Book 1 - Fool's Assassin by Robin Hobb
Fitz and the Fool Book 2 - Fool's Quest by Robin Hobb
Fitz and the Fool Book 3 - Assassin's Fate by Robin Hobb
The Soldier Son Trilogy Book 1 - Shaman's Crossing by Robin Hobb
The Soldier Son Trilogy Book 2 - Forest Mage by Robin Hobb
The Soldier Son Trilogy Book 3 - Renegade's Magic by Robin Hobb
WHAT I'VE BEEN READING RECENTLY
The Shadow of the Avatar Book 2 - Cloak of Shadows by Ed Greenwood
In this book we continue to follow Sharantyr's adventures as she battles the Malaugrym, a.k.a. the "Shadowmasters" as they once again seek to enter the Realms to pillage and destroy it for their own purposes. They've never had much luck against the archmage Elminster in the past, but now they have the brilliant plan of weaving a magical cloak that shields them from detection against Mystra's Chosen (foremost of whom is Elminster). However, things do go exactly according to plan and the Malaugrym experience a number of setbacks thanks to the meddling of Sharantyr and other Knights of Myth Drannor. Now Sharantyr and her two ranger companions storm the citadel of the Malaugrym to send a message once and for all: DON'T F*CK WITH THE REALMS!
The Shadow of the Avatar Book 3 - All Shadows Fled by Ed Greenwood
During the Time of Troubles, the gods walk the Realms in physical form, denied the cosmic powers they once commanded because two of the gods were foolish enough to steal from the Overgod AO. The chaos caused by their banishment from the outer planes keeps Elminster very busy as he tamps down numerous hot spots in the Realms. Eventually he is caught up in a magical blast as the avatars of the god of strife, Bane, and the goddess of magic, Mystra, annihilate each other, leading to the rumor that Elminster has been killed once and for all. Not the first time this has happened, but it does mean that numerous evil factions, including the Shadowmasters, the Malaugrym, once again seek to infiltrate the Realms and pillage them. Once again, the Knights of Myth Drannor and the remaining Chosen of Mystra must defend the Realms against cataclysmic forces seeking their destruction.
Part of the fun of reading these books (IMHO), is that because they are based on characters created for Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, it's possible to look up the statistics of the characters in these stories. Sharantyr, for instance, is canonically a 2nd-level ranger in 2nd Edition AD&D, though she's certainly leveled up a few times by the end of these novels. Endless waves of mooks are slaughtered by her and her companions. These books read a lot like a group of characters going on a grand campaign, which is no doubt Ed Greenwood's intent. Entertaining if you like that sort of story and have experience in role-playing games.
The Farseer Trilogy Book 1 - Assassin's Apprentice by Robin Hobb
This is one of those books that's endlessly pimped on BookTube videoes. Robin Hobb's Realm of the Elderlings series is often touted as one of the best fantasy series of all time.
I'll give credit where credit is due. Hobb does a very good job of presenting a character study of a young man who is trained to be an assassin for the royal court. He wrestles with the moral dilemmas that comes with the territory of obeying his King and performing his duties while seeking to find alternatives if he feels that his King is asking him to perform a task that may be dishonorable. Fitz is caught up in the intrigue of the royal court as well, thanks to his heritage of being the bastard son of the King's first son, Chivalry. Most of the characters are presented as morally complex individuals with their own agendas. Fitz may be an assassin, but he is not an evil man, nor are those who have trained him. We do see evil in the form of the King's youngest son, Regal, who clearly seeks the throne for himself and attempts to use Fitz towards his own ends.
Is this the best fantasy ever written? No, not even remotely. I'd rate it as upper mid-tier fantasy, but well below the likes of Tad Williams or P.C. Hodgell, who can tell similar stories far better than Hobb. Her world-building in the first novel is somewhat rudimentary at best. It's a fairly generic medieval fantasy kingdom with traditional English-style medieval civilization. The magic system is only moderately interesting, but for now it's definitely a low-magic setting.
The first book is good enough that I immediately started reading the second book (see below), which continues the story of Fitz after his first real mission as the King's assassin.
The Farseer Trilogy Book 2 - Royal Assassin by Robin Hobb
In Royal Assassin, Fitz is bitter and broken after being betrayed by Prince Regal, vowing to stay away from Buckkeep. However, he's pulled back into the intrigue of the court if only to verify that the young woman he fancies, Molly, is OK. Fitz has a vision of her being attacked by the Red-Ship Raiders, who kidnap the folk of the Six Duchies, then return them without souls, for reasons only they understand. Fitz will do anything to protect the people he cares about. He also learns to harness the powers he's been blessed/cursed with as a result of his Farseer heritage. Prince Regal is still scheming to claim the throne from his aging father and his weakened brother...
The Farseer Trilogy Book 3 - Assassin's Quest by Robin Hobb
King Shrewd is dead, killed by his own son Prince Regal. FitzChivalry also died (temporarily) but was able to escape permanent death through a minor miracle and his own unique gifts. Now he's revived, leaving his former life behind as the King's royal assassin. He has one mission--avenge his former king by claiming the life of his murderer. He's accompanied by Nighteyes, the young wolf whose life he rescued and with whom he shares a mystical bond. Will he succeed in his quest? Or will he finally be broken once and for all by the challenges and choices he now faces?
Tips, suggestions, recommendations, etc., can all be directed to perfessor -dot- squirrel -at- gmail -dot- com.
(One down, many more to go...)
Disclaimer: When Elminster comes a-knockin', the Forgotten Realms start a-rockin'!
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2026 08:58 AM (Ia/+0)
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Read a couple of pulp stories from the early thirties in different genres provided by Deej at RacPress.
One being a story by Jacques Futrelle featuring his Holmes doppleganger, Professor Augustus S.F.X. Van Dusen, who uses his brain to do amazing feats that appear to be impossible.
The Professor is called "The Thinking Machine," and that rings a bell for me, but I can't recall reading any other story. Check out "The Problem of Cell 13 here:
https://tinyurl.com/kk8ydd2a
Still reading McCullough's "1776."
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 08:58 AM (1Ff7Z)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2026 08:58 AM (kpS4V)
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Should finish Winston Churchill's The Gathering Storm today
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2026 08:59 AM (Ia/+0)
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've picked up a few more books recently, because apparently I'm a book addict or something...Try not to judge me too harshly. Maybe I need to join a support group.
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Fantasy and SF are no-go for me. I have absolutely no interest in the genres.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:04 AM (qRla/)
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I picked up a few SF paperbacks at our quarterly library book sale. Nothing noteworthy, but they will serve as entertainment and then kindling when I'm snowed in this winter.
Right now I'm reading "Murder at the Movies" by TCM's red-headed Aussie Alicia Malone. It's okay, meh, I keep turning the pages.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2026 09:05 AM (kpS4V)
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What say you, Horde? Do you like books that are similar to previous books? Or are you always on the hunt for something different?
Well, Perf, there are only seven basic plots.
I guess the proliferation of series seems to indicate most people do want something similar to what they've just read.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:06 AM (1Ff7Z)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:07 AM (1Ff7Z)
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My new Theda Bara novel, Ten Thousand Midnights is now available for purchase:
https://tinyurl.com/4239e8b5
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:08 AM (qRla/)
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I read The Gales of November: The Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald by John U. Bacon. This is an extremely well-written, well-researched history of Great Lakes shipping in general, and the tragic sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald in particular. The story of the Fitz's last voyage reads like a thriller novel. The stories of the lives of the 29 crewmen makes it poignant. Certainly in my top ten books that I have read.
Posted by: Zoltan at October 18, 2026 09:08 AM (KUWG/)
Posted by: dantesed at October 18, 2026 09:10 AM (Oy/m2)
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His main point is that some books are so similar to previous books that they blur the line with respect to plagiarism.
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This is why I refuse to read fiction published after the mid 20th century. There is nothing new under the sun, so why not go to a recognized classic that first explored the idea at issue?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 18, 2026 09:11 AM (JzUSu)
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My new Theda Bara novel, Ten Thousand Midnights is now available for purchase:
https://tinyurl.com/4239e8b5
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:08 AM (qRla/)
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W00t!
Congratulations!
You'll have to share more details about it in your next Book Thread!
I finished Joe R. Lansdale's Leather Maiden from 2008 this week. It seemed familiar to me in the opening chapters, but not as it played out; so I may have started it and not finished. I don't know why; it's as good an "East Texas noir" as you could ask for.
Currently I'm dipping into a collection of Shirley Jackson stories. It includes "The Lottery," of course, but has a lot of her other work, including her comic piece about "My Life with R.H. Macy" (the narrator, who perhaps was Jackson herself, did not work out as a Christmas-rush saleslady at the famous department store).
Also on my TBR pile is an anthology of four novels, Women Crime Writers of the Fifties, with novels by Charlotte Armstrong, Margaret Millar, Dolores Hitchens (whose work I don't know), and Patricia Highsmith.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:11 AM (wzUl9)
Safe travels today for those who attended the big shindig. So wonderful that we can gather now and then.
I'm reading We Used to Live Here, by Marcus Kliewer. My children chose this for our family book club. A family shows up at the door of a lesbian couple's country home, at night, in a snowstorm. Guy says he used to live there and would love to revisit the home and show his kids where he grew up. The one gal, home alone, is too wimpy to say no, and then things go awry.
I hate it. It's super uncomfortable, I want to smack a disobedient child and both her parents, and the grown up homeowner who needs to grow a pair, gender notwithstanding.
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Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:08 AM (qRla/)
I'll tell the niece.
Any way to get an autographed copy?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
21I guess the proliferation of series seems to indicate most people do want something similar to what they've just read.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026
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I often do, but I want something different or semi-original within it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:13 AM (wzUl9)
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I’ve got a rather lengthy tome from T.R. Fehrenbach to read now: Lone Star, his encyclopedic history of TX.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 18, 2026 09:13 AM (aZEbd)
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"Star Trek Log Eight" by Alan D. Foster was mostly a slow procedural of the Enterprise crew's hunt for a long-forgotten creature for the zoo run by their new associates the Lactrans. I like to visit zoos -- when you have small children, a zoo pass is worth the expense -- but this story disgusted me. I won't reread it.
I attended the Texas MoMe, but I made time to visit a couple of shops in a regional chain based in Dallas. (No advertising here.) My haul includes three mysteries by John Dickson Carr. Whichever of you has been promoting these in the Book Thread, your efforts have borne fruit.
I'll hit more bookstores today before I head home.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 09:13 AM (aATwn)
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Obviously there are a lot of people who want to experience the same story over and over with minor variations. Romance novels have been written to a very tightly-defined formula for generations now, and I expect one popular application of AI will be to tell your phone "write me a romance" because even Claude can follow the pattern.
There have been a hell of a lot of mysteries about amateur sleuths solving murders in quaint English towns, and no end of them in sight. The main variations nowadays seem to be whether the sleuth is a baker, a knitter, or raises dogs.
MP4's tastes notwithstanding, I will argue that science fiction, especially SF in the past 50 years, has NOT had a "default" story formula -- and that may explain why SF as a commercial genre has dwindled. It's notable that the most formulaic sub-type, military SF, still sells quite well.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:14 AM (78a2H)
Posted by: Wenda at October 18, 2026 09:14 AM (J5E68)
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12 I read The Gales of November: The Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald by John U. Bacon. This is an extremely well-written, well-researched history of Great Lakes shipping in general, and the tragic sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald in particular. The story of the Fitz's last voyage reads like a thriller novel. The stories of the lives of the 29 crewmen makes it poignant. Certainly in my top ten books that I have read.
Posted by: Zoltan at October 18, 2026 09:08 AM (KUWG/)
I gotta look for that.
Last year at about 1900 CST on November 10 I played Gordon Lightfoot’s “Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 18, 2026 09:15 AM (aZEbd)
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5 've picked up a few more books recently, because apparently I'm a book addict or something...Try not to judge me too harshly. Maybe I need to join a support group.
What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 18, 2026 09:03 AM (CjHsb)
No, we're enablers by posting reviews of books we have read and exposing the hoard to new interesting titles and authors.
Posted by: Zoltan at October 18, 2026 09:15 AM (KUWG/)
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I often do, but I want something different or semi-original within it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:13 AM (wzUl9)
Jumble up the writer's notes, and viola!*
*Joe and Ed, The Furniture Guys
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:16 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I like Repairman Jack books and I really liked The Keep. I've probably read the rest of the Adversary Cycle, but that's the one I remember.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2026 09:17 AM (2Xqig)
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I guess the proliferation of series seems to indicate most people do want something similar to what they've just read.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:06 AM (1Ff7Z)
I think that's half the story with with series. The other half is that we get attached to specific characters. I'm apparently stuck in the Pendergast series until I've read them all, because I think the main characters are fascinating and I've grown attached to them.
Well, and the plots are ridiculous. But I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2026 09:18 AM (kpS4V)
33One being a story by Jacques Futrelle featuring his Holmes doppleganger, Professor Augustus S.F.X. Van Dusen, who uses his brain to do amazing feats that appear to be impossible.
The Professor is called "The Thinking Machine," and that rings a bell for me, but I can't recall reading any other story. Check out "The Problem of Cell 13 here:
https://tinyurl.com/kk8ydd2a
Still reading McCullough's "1776."
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026
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"Cell 13" is justly famous, but Futrelle wrote others about the professor. As a point of interest, Futrelle died aboard the Titanic.
Another author of the same time period is one Melville Davisson Post. His West Virginia ca. 1840 tales of Uncle Abner are rural mysteries but not comic -- rather grim, actually. One of his called "The Straw Man" I read at age fourteen, and found it a dazzling example of deductive and inductive logic. Some of the Uncle Abners are locked-room stories. In any case they are some of the earliest examples of the "historical mystery," since Post was writing ca. WWI.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:19 AM (wzUl9)
I read all three Thinking Machine stories in grade school. Those are the only ones known to exist. The book said the author had written more, but he and the manuscripts were aboard the Luisitania when it was sunk. I still think the British did that.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 09:20 AM (aATwn)
Any way to get an autographed copy?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
I've ordered some author copies for myself, though it seems they won't arrive for a couple of weeks. Shoot me an email with her details and I will send it off to her when I can.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:20 AM (qRla/)
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No, we're enablers by posting reviews of books we have read and exposing the hoard to new interesting titles and authors.
Posted by: Zoltan at October 18, 2026 09:15 AM (KUWG/)
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Yep. I've obtained more than one book (probably over a hundred by now) based on Moron recommendations...
37I read The Gales of November: The Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald by John U. Bacon.
I read that when it first came out (last year?). I know I recommended it here.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:21 AM (qRla/)
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Last year at about 1900 CST on November 10 I played Gordon Lightfoot’s “Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald”.
Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her...
Posted by: Gitche Gumee at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (8EQTH)
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Well, and the plots are ridiculous. But I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 18, 2026 09:17 AM (CjHsb)
Right. You get comfortable with the characters. That's why Holmes is still read. He was just created to ease the boredom of a doctor with an empty waiting room, and turned into a phenomenon.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (1Ff7Z)
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This is why I refuse to read fiction published after the mid 20th century. There is nothing new under the sun, so why not go to a recognized classic that first explored the idea at issue?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 18, 2026 09:11 AM (JzUSu)
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I have relatively few books that have been published in recent years. I'm just not interested in the next big thing...
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (RIvkX)
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In August of 1942, the strategic island of Malta was within days of running out of food and fuel. Winston Churchill ordered the largest naval operation since Jutland to save this vital asset. Operation Pedestal by Max Hastings details the courageous actions of the Royal Navy and US merchantmen to supply the island, and prevent the Axis from easy access across the Mediterranean.
Malta was an unsinkable aircraft carrier which allowed the Allies to interdict Axis supply lines to Rommel. The Germans and Italians flew daily bombing raids against the island, in order to eliminate this threat.
In 1942, Malta was days from starvation, so Churchill assembled four carriers, two battleships, and 40 other warships to escort 14 merchant ships to resupply the island. Over four days, this convoy faced continuous attack by air and sea, but delivered enough supplies to allow Malta to survive. The heroism and sheer refusal to give up were not only vital to Malta, but an inspiration.
Because Malta survived, the Allies were able to stop Rommel, maintain control of the Mediterranean, and invade North Africa. This was a hard won victory that began to turn the tide of the war.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (0U5gm)
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HorseHAAAAAAARRR
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2026 09:18 AM (kpS4V)
Still around, too. Apparently doing a podcast and a YT channel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:24 AM (1Ff7Z)
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A Gathering Storm ends after war has started. But reading a lot about actions off the main roads.
I have a scrap book made by my grandparents from newspapers clippings of the whole Graf Spree hunt
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2026 09:24 AM (Ia/+0)
45I read all three Thinking Machine stories in grade school. Those are the only ones known to exist. The book said the author had written more, but he and the manuscripts were aboard the Luisitania when it was sunk. I still think the British did that.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026
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Wiki's article lists about seven Thinking Machine stories in a collection published in 1907, and an eighth in a 1908 book. In any case he died in 1912, aboard the Titanic. The Lusitania was sunk in '15.
He might well have had some unpublished manuscripts with him, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:24 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: 220, 221 at October 18, 2026 09:26 AM (SeSfo)
50I think that's half the story with with series. The other half is that we get attached to specific characters.
I have a copy of one of the original "Tom Swift" books (Tom Swift And His Electric Runabout, 1910), and at the very end, the publishers wrote,
"This Isn't All! Would you like to know what became of the good friends you have made in this book? Would you like to read other stories continuing their adventures and experiences, or other books quite as entertaining by the same author? On the reverse side of the wrapper which comes with this book, you will find a wonderful list of stories which you can buy at the same store where you got this book."
I think that's very charming.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:27 AM (qRla/)
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I wish I could find more of the Melville Davisson Post Uncle Abners. I have one in Fourteen Great Detective Stories, a Random House anthology from post WWII, and I know I've read one other as well as "The Straw Man." But the Wiki article indicates he wrote 22 of them.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:27 AM (wzUl9)
Lotsa content, I see. Should probably check that out.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 09:29 AM (q3u5l)
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I now have all of the love letters written between my Grandpa and Grandma on my mothers side from when my Grandpa was in Europe during WW11.
They are written is some ancient code. All the letters blend together.
Posted by: Reforger at October 18, 2026 09:29 AM (Ae6Br)
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"This Isn't All! Would you like to know what became of the good friends you have made in this book? Would you like to read other stories continuing their adventures and experiences, or other books quite as entertaining by the same author? On the reverse side of the wrapper which comes with this book, you will find a wonderful list of stories which you can buy at the same store where you got this book."
I think that's very charming.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:27 AM (qRla/)
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Ah, the good old days.
I still have plenty of paperbacks where there's a form you can clip out and send to the publisher, either to order more books or to join a fan club or something...
I wonder how many people used to order books that way.
Posted by: The Next Big Thing at October 18, 2026 09:29 AM (SeSfo)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:19 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 09:20 AM (aATwn)
Yeah, I know there were more, but only the name sounds familiar. Of course, you know elementary school for most of us was over fifty years ago, so the memory....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:30 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I think that's very charming.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:27 AM (qRla/)
58
Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 09:31 AM (yTvNw)
59I like to visit zoos -- when you have small children, a zoo pass is worth the expense -- but this story disgusted me. I won't reread it.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 09:13 AM (aATwn)
I've only read one or two ST novels. What's the disgust about, the plot, the characters, the ending?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026
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I didn't much care for the ST: Animated adaptations by Alan Dean Foster. They were short half-hour TV episodes, and yet Ballantine -- after the first couple of Star Log volumes -- had Foster expand them into novelettes or novels.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:31 AM (wzUl9)
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I've ordered some author copies for myself, though it seems they won't arrive for a couple of weeks. Shoot me an email with her details and I will send it off to her when I can.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:20 AM (qRla/)
Got it. I'll let her know.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:31 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Yay book thread! Alas, my Sundays are quite cluttered now so I shall have the get moving.
Not much reading as I had a nasty cold that is now blessedly going away. I'm still chugging through City of God and St. Augustine's discussion of idols was quite interesting given modern ideas of idolatry in certain quarters.
In writing news, I've picked up my revision of Conqueror: Fields of Victory fantasy/historic miniatures rules. This stalled out last spring due to massive drama in Chateau Lloyd. It has abated to the extent that finishing the job seems feasible. In addition to cleaning things up (rules ALWAYS need to be cleaned up) there are some new weapons, new special rules and the list of sample units is much, much bigger and more comprehensive.
It is now possible to buy the book and just start building units without first doing any unit design, and I'm adding some historic units, so if you want Roman legions to fight orcs, this is your game.
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Thanks for the Book Thread, Perfessor! Lively and entertaining, as always.
Finished Key to Midnight by Dean Koontz. I know I said I would not read any of his other books, but it was on sale for a quarter at the Hooterville library. This is a good story, one that was originally released under a nom de plume, then rewritten and republished under the author's name over a decade later. Good character development, plot, etc., but there were a few threads left unpulled. A page turner to be sure, but I'm still on the fence regarding whether to read another of Koontz's books.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at October 18, 2026 09:32 AM (D/6p1)
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Approaching the half way point in Pride and Prejudice and understanding more and more why the world thinks it’s a great book. Mr. Bennett is the bomb, as the kids used to say ( who knows what kids these days say). I finishedMelvillés Typée and enjoyed it but it’s no Moby Dick. And I’m starting Hemingway’s a Moveable Feast.
No algorithm is likely to predict or drive my reading since I acquire new books mostly by wandering through used book stores.
Posted by: Who Knew at October 18, 2026 09:33 AM (xbMkL)
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The Pedestal convoy would make a wonderful movie, but since none of the people involved were lesbians, transwomen, or Somalis, it won't get made.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:34 AM (78a2H)
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I still have plenty of paperbacks where there's a form you can clip out and send to the publisher, either to order more books or to join a fan club or something...
I wonder how many people used to order books that way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
I'm looking at one right now. I wonder if the paperbacks are still fifty cents?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 09:34 AM (0U5gm)
66
The Joe Pickett series by CJ Box is 27 books.
I'm on #10.
It was recommended by a horde member here on Ye Olde Book Thread.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty
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I enjoyed the series.
My book club is reading Lonesome Dove next. I haven't started yet but I'm looking forward to it.
Posted by: lin-duh at October 18, 2026 09:35 AM (VCgbV)
67I still have plenty of paperbacks where there's a form you can clip out and send to the publisher, either to order more books or to join a fan club or something...
I wonder how many people used to order books that way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026
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I did, once! The Man From U.N.C.L.E. had been off the air for a year, and yet Ace was continuing to publish the original tie-in novels. I bought them as they came out to the end. But I'd missed a few. In the spring of '69 I ordered six of the ones I didn't have. Not wanting to damage any of my books, I didn't clip the order form out of the back, but wrote a letter using the address and specifying what I wanted. They were .50 each, with about $1 for postage and handling.
Still have 'em.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:36 AM (wzUl9)
I still have plenty of paperbacks where there's a form you can clip out and send to the publisher, either to order more books or to join a fan club or something...
I wonder how many people used to order books that way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:29 AM (FZ29D)
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The old Bantam paperbacks had a list of suggestions in the back, so after reading Fly For Your Life you could learn about Reach for the Sky or The First and The Last, all in the Blood n' Guts genre. I never ordered any, but it did direct me to more books of the kind I would like.
Love that the type used for the titles was based on a stencil because these are WAR books, dammit!
I didn't like the plot. The Enterprise, towing six moons (just roll with it), captures this immense creature in a gravity net, and then has to flee even larger members of the species who are coming to the rescue.
Even if the creature didn't exhibit intelligence, I felt sorry for it.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 09:37 AM (aATwn)
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Yep. I've obtained more than one book (probably over a hundred by now) based on Moron recommendations...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:20 AM (FZ29D)
Current link to the Horde recs, Perf? Must be getting to be a long list by now.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:38 AM (1Ff7Z)
71I didn't like the plot. The Enterprise, towing six moons (just roll with it), captures this immense creature in a gravity net, and then has to flee even larger members of the species who are coming to the rescue.
Even if the creature didn't exhibit intelligence, I felt sorry for it.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026
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That does not sound like a true Trek plot -- capturing an intelligent being for an alien zoo? *Rescuing* a member of a species, or even saving an entire race, sure. But this storyline doesn't sound right.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:40 AM (wzUl9)
72
I was recently talking with a friend about what book is the greatest science fiction novel of all time. I proposed a list of about a dozen, and my friend objected that all of them were written before 2000. I didn't argue, but I did think to myself "I know . . . "
When did publishing become almost entirely female? When did books become formulaic and uninteresting? Does correlation sometimes imply causation?
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:40 AM (78a2H)
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Just started reading a sample of 'Inferno' by Max Hastings.
Posted by: dantesed at October 18, 2026 09:40 AM (Oy/m2)
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Current link to the Horde recs, Perf? Must be getting to be a long list by now.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:38 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I haven't updated it in a while, so it's out of date, but yeah, there's over 1700 books on there, comparable to my own collection.
75
MP4, just ordered Ten Thousands Midnights. It will be next up after A Moveable Feast. I really enjoyed the other Theda Bara books and I.m looking forward to diving into this one.
Posted by: Who Knew at October 18, 2026 09:40 AM (xbMkL)
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I have relatively few books that have been published in recent years. I'm just not interested in the next big thing...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (FZ29D)
Bu... bu... but Moron books?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:41 AM (1Ff7Z)
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It was great fun to meet some of you this weekend!
I recently finished Henry Pringle's biography of Theodore Roosevelt, titled, heh, Theodore Roosevelt: A Biography. The man and his times reminded me of Trump and today: an aggressive belief in America, with major achievements yet often frustrated by his own party, sometimes borrowing from the other side, opposing a surge of Communists and anarchists.
On the plane I got nearly halfway into Michener's South Pacific. Maybe I will finish it on the way home. I'd never read anything by him before. I actually picked it up because a friend has been introducing me to tiki drinks, and in Cate's Smuggler's Cove there is a lot about the history of Polynesian Pop; I wasn't expecting a World War II novel. But it is so good!
Posted by: frammish at October 18, 2026 09:41 AM (JnFGW)
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11 ... " My new Theda Bara novel, Ten Thousand Midnights is now available for purchase:"
MP4,
Is there a hardcover edition planned?
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 09:42 AM (yTvNw)
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I found a mint condition 1st Edition - 1st printing
of Stephen King's 'The Stand' with the 'Spy vrs. Spy'
cover artwork (as memed above in the thread intro).
For $1 - at the local thrift store, 10 years ago.
I first read The Stand as a paperback in the summer of 1980,
sitting alone in the lobby of empty 400 room college
dorm where I was the summer caretaker.
Changed my major to biochemistry that fall,
and my doctoral studies later to microbiology,
because of that book. true story.
Posted by: retropox at October 18, 2026 09:42 AM (+vXnX)
I still have to create the hardback and e-book versions of my novel, but that's a task for tomorrow.
Right now, I must dress and run errands. I hope you all have a lovely day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:43 AM (qRla/)
81
Bantam paperbacks would list other Nero Wolfe titles. Signet in the back of the James Bonds listed others in the series, but also other spy or mystery thrillers.
My paperback of You Only Live Twice has half the back cover devoted to an ad for the "last Ian Fleming James Bond thriller," The Man With the Golden Gun.
In the '70s, if you recall, publishers started sticking stiff cardboard ads for some of their other books in the middle of a novel.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:43 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 18, 2026 09:43 AM (SeSfo)
83
The Pedestal convoy would make a wonderful movie, but since none of the people involved were lesbians, transwomen, or Somalis, it won't get made.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:34 AM (78a2H)
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That points to the problem with modern Hollywood. There are lots of stories out there, but the "creatives" live in a bubble where only a handful of IPs exist. The days when a studio exec would read a book, love it and buy the rights are long gone and the way publishing has become a chick-lit echo chamber means that the bestseller list garbage as well.
Your average script writer/show runner went to film school, only studied approved films, never held a job outside of the industry and relies on family connections and diversity points for each gig. It is very rare to find anyone who had a career before going into the industry, which used to be the norm. On the positive side, the barriers to entry have gotten very low, as the success of films like "Obsession" demonstrates.
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I was recently talking with a friend about what book is the greatest science fiction novel of all time. I proposed a list of about a dozen, and my friend objected that all of them were written before 2000. I didn't argue, but I did think to myself "I know . . . "
When did publishing become almost entirely female? When did books become formulaic and uninteresting? Does correlation sometimes imply causation?
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:40 AM (78a2H)
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Great books are only great books because they hold up over time.
Any author who thinks they are going to write the greatest book of all time is deluding themselves.
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In 1942, Malta was days from starvation, so Churchill assembled four carriers, two battleships, and 40 other warships to escort 14 merchant ships to resupply the island.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (0U5gm)
Today's First Sea Lord cries at the thought of having so many ships.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:44 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Most of my reading this week was research, but I did play hooky and spend part of one morning reading "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym" by Poe. Vivid, fascinating, and I have no Earthly idea what the hell it's about.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:45 AM (78a2H)
88 I first read The Stand as a paperback in the summer of 1980,
sitting alone in the lobby of empty 400 room college
dorm where I was the summer caretaker.
Changed my major to biochemistry that fall,
and my doctoral studies later to microbiology,
because of that book. true story.
Posted by: retropox at October 18, 2026
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The Shining inspired me to quit drinking. It didn't take, not then, but I got four sober years out of it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:45 AM (wzUl9)
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In the '70s, if you recall, publishers started sticking stiff cardboard ads for some of their other books in the middle of a novel.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:43 AM (wzUl9)
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Yeah, I vaguely remember seeing those annoying cards.
90
I have relatively few books that have been published in recent years. I'm just not interested in the next big thing...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (FZ29D)
Bu... bu... but Moron books?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:41 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Those are in his TBR pile. He'll get to them next century, after he finishes all that R.A. Salvatore stuff.
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Came across a surprise. A new bookstore opened in the county: Buzz Bookstore. It deals with rare, signed and collectible books only, not 'bestsellers'. The owners are serious. Looking at the website shows most are in the hundreds of dollars range. A few are under a hundred. I hope they do well. I might visit if only to enjoy the delightful aroma of old books.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 09:47 AM (yTvNw)
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Those are in his TBR pile. He'll get to them next century, after he finishes all that R.A. Salvatore stuff.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2026 09:46 AM (ZOv7s)
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Gotta finish Robin Hobb's books first!
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Neither of those books were on my bingo card this year.
Not the cliché: each year I make a bingo card and hang it on the refrigerator, with 25 books/authors/categories, and a FREE READ space in the middle. I like to have a square each year for Shakespeare, math, programming, history, religion, etc. I will never finish everything, but maybe I can get five in a row.
This year I think I have three squares checked off. It's been a slow year for reading. And I keep going off-script. The Roosevelt biography was because I wanted something light and easily replaceable for hiking in the Sierras this summer. But it's often more fun to take those detours.
Posted by: frammish at October 18, 2026 09:47 AM (JnFGW)
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I'm looking at one right now. I wonder if the paperbacks are still fifty cents?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 09:34 AM (0U5gm)
I wonder if anyone still sends them in?
*imagines a lone clerk sitting in the basement of Penguin House, responding to orders sent from the back of decades-old paperbacks...
95
I think that's very charming.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 18, 2026 09:27 AM (qRla/)
A more genteel way for sure of advertising instead of the constant bombardment of texts, tocks, and pop-ups.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:48 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I'm looking at one right now. I wonder if the paperbacks are still fifty cents?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 09:34 AM (0U5gm)
I wonder if anyone still sends them in?
*imagines a lone clerk sitting in the basement of Penguin House, responding to orders sent from the back of decades-old paperbacks...
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 18, 2026 09:47 AM (CjHsb)
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That could be the seed for a story...perhaps a mystery of some sort.
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In 1942, Malta was days from starvation, so Churchill assembled four carriers, two battleships, and 40 other warships to escort 14 merchant ships to resupply the island.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 09:22 AM (0U5gm)
Today's First Sea Lord cries at the thought of having so many ships.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:44 AM (1Ff7Z)
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The ordeal oil tanker that they literally had to lash to other ships to keep it afloat so that the island wouldn't run out of fuel is it's own movie. Very much like "Action in the North Atlantic."
Because of a particular event in the Lone Star State, I found myself at a hotel breakfast buffet a little while ago.
Having procured a cup of life giving Java, I glanced up at this irritating appliance on the wall said to be a television.
I read the words "Neuralink to help millions."
Science fiction?
No. Science reality!
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (SeSfo)
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Not just ads for books -- I have some old paperbacks with ads for cigarettes in them! Very annoying because they used stiff glossy paper, so it's as if the book has a permanent bookmark in one spot, but there's no way to remove the ad without destroying the integrity of the paperback's binding.
Now I just view them as historical curiosities, like the graffitti in a Roman latrine.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (78a2H)
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2 eggs light scrambled and bacon just like it was delivered by the Bacon Wench.
Posted by: Eromero at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (f1k6x)
101 In the '70s, if you recall, publishers started sticking stiff cardboard ads for some of their other books in the middle of a novel.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026
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Yeah, I vaguely remember seeing those annoying cards.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026
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If they'd been easily detachable, perforated, you could have used them for bookmarks. But to remove them you'd have to risk tearing the spine of the book.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (wzUl9)
102
It seems I've seen a WWII movie about the defense of Malta with Alec Guiness in it.
Posted by: dantesed at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (Oy/m2)
Reading this week -- one of Lansdale's Hap & Leonard books, which are fun, but I still like the first one best. And started Simenon's The Little Saint. Still haven't done any kind of real dive into the Maigrets because 75 of 'em; one of these days.
Looking for anything new & different? Not really these days. I'll still look over new books listings because old habits (book junkie, bookstore clerk, librarian...) die hard, but I'm trying to make a few dents in the TBR pile which dwarfs Everest.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 09:50 AM (q3u5l)
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If they'd been easily detachable, perforated, you could have used them for bookmarks. But to remove them you'd have to risk tearing the spine of the book.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (wzUl9)
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Movie novelizations often had still images from the movies embedded in the middle of the book. Because the paper was different, it really affected the overall quality of the binding and many of those books fall apart over time.
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But the Wiki article indicates he wrote 22 of them.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:27 AM (wzUl9)
Internet Archive is your frien....
https://tinyurl.com/y7r287us
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:52 AM (1Ff7Z)
106Reading this week -- one of Lansdale's Hap & Leonard books, which are fun, but I still like the first one best. And started Simenon's The Little Saint. Still haven't done any kind of real dive into the Maigrets because 75 of 'em; one of these days.
Looking for anything new & different? Not really these days. I'll still look over new books listings because old habits (book junkie, bookstore clerk, librarian...) die hard, but I'm trying to make a few dents in the TBR pile which dwarfs Everest.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026
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We watched the TV adaptation of the first H & L novel last week. Intense stuff on the screen for sure.
Last week, too, I watched a 1952 film version of one of Simenon's non-Maigret crime stories, The Man Who Watched Trains Go By, with Claude Rains. Interesting, but strange.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:53 AM (wzUl9)
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Looking for anything new & different? Not really these days. I'll still look over new books listings because old habits (book junkie, bookstore clerk, librarian...) die hard, but I'm trying to make a few dents in the TBR pile which dwarfs Everest.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 09:50 AM (q3u5l)
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I'll wave to you from my TBR pile resembling K2...
108
Not the cliché: each year I make a bingo card and hang it on the refrigerator, with 25 books/authors/categories, and a FREE READ space in the middle. I like to have a square each year for Shakespeare, math, programming, history, religion, etc. I will never finish everything, but maybe I can get five in a row.
Posted by: frammish at October 18, 2026 09:47 AM (JnFGW)
That's fascinating! Such an approach would keep me from spending an entire year on, say, Pendergast, to the exclusion of all others.
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MP4,
Congrats on the new Theda Bara book. Just ordered it so between Eris and me you have two sales. :-)
BTW, when the hardcover comes out I'll get it. I have the first two that way. I can always give the already read paperback to my nephew and his wife.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 09:53 AM (yTvNw)
110
Sailed the tanker SS Ohio straight into the harbor and beached her. Left a lot of her cargo coating the surface of the western Mediterranean, but the aviation gas made it and that kept Malta in the fight.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:54 AM (78a2H)
111
That could be the seed for a story...perhaps a mystery of some sort.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (FZ29D)
That's what I was thinking--but I'm not a writer. One of you Morons will have to write it, and then I'll read it.
112Movie novelizations often had still images from the movies embedded in the middle of the book. Because the paper was different, it really affected the overall quality of the binding and many of those books fall apart over time.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026
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I have a paperback edition of The Caine Mutiny with pics from both the movie with Bogart, and from the stage play of the court-martial with Lloyd Nolan as Queeg . . . and a very young James Garner visible as an officer in the scene.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:55 AM (wzUl9)
113
"...view them as historical curiosities, like the graffitti in a Roman latrine.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM"
867-5309 took a LOT of chiseling!
Posted by: Jennicus at October 18, 2026 09:55 AM (SeSfo)
Many moons ago, Signet published one of Harlan Ellison's collections. HE's contract presumably stated no such ads were to be bound into the book. When it came out, there was the ad. This triggered the famous mailing the dead gopher to the publisher (4th class LA to NYC) incident. If you can find the recording of Harlan telling this story, give it a listen. It's hilarious, as long as you're not on the receiving end of the dead gopher.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 09:57 AM (q3u5l)
*imagines a lone clerk sitting in the basement of Penguin House, responding to orders sent from the back of decades-old paperbacks...
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 18, 2026 09:47 AM (CjHsb)
If made into a movie, William Sanderson could be that lone clerk.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Sounding the Carnyx at October 18, 2026 09:57 AM (0aYVJ)
116
Not just ads for books -- I have some old paperbacks with ads for cigarettes in them! Very annoying because they used stiff glossy paper, so it's as if the book has a permanent bookmark in one spot, but there's no way to remove the ad without destroying the integrity of the paperback's binding.
Now I just view them as historical curiosities, like the graffitti in a Roman latrine.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (78a2H)
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I never had that in any of my books, but my mother's paperbacks had that sort of thing. She was into romance and the bestseller novel schtick. She never bothered with bookmarks, just squashing the paperbacks flat to mark her spot. When she was done, she threw them away.
I eventually prevailed upon her to treat them a little more gently so I could sell them to Curious Books. I put a brown paper grocery bag on the floor of the pantry, and she'd just drop the books in. When it was full, I'd load it onto the crate on the back of my bike and spend a day downtown, spending the proceeds on books or games. Sometimes I'd treat myself to a 59 cent taco at Taco Bell, while perusing my purchases. Those were good days.
117
Actually the bingo card started when my wife made one, and I finally had a way to "win" that year. She reads 3x as many books as me, but first-to-bingo is up for grabs.
Posted by: frammish at October 18, 2026 09:58 AM (JnFGW)
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I didn't like the plot. The Enterprise, towing six moons (just roll with it), captures this immense creature in a gravity net, and then has to flee even larger members of the species who are coming to the rescue.
Even if the creature didn't exhibit intelligence, I felt sorry for it.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 09:37 AM (aATwn)
I can't facepalm any harder.
Sounds like a "woo woo" story.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 09:58 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I was thinking of the best book to movie and worst book to movie.
Best is Captains Courageous though they changed the ending and worst is Shooter ( Sudden Impact)
There are a lot of 'worsts' and just a few 'bests' but those are my two.
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026 09:59 AM (KC5Lt)
Posted by: epador at October 18, 2026 10:00 AM (mHBOF)
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I'm reading 2 separate but connected alternate history series by Brian C. Thompson called "The American War" and "The European War." In the first series, the US breaks the Japanese naval code prior to Pearl Harbor, and is able to ambush the Japanese carrier fleet and destroy it. Cool.
In the 2nd series, Neville Chamberlain dies before he's able to have the Munich agreement dismembering Czechoslovakia ratified by the British parliament, so Germany has to fight for that country. Then Germany invades and defeats France instead of going after Poland. Then a bunch of other countries. The USSR also gets involved in the country stealing.
The characters are great, the alternative history timelines are cleverly thought out, and I'm 3 books into the 1st series and 2 into the 2nd.
Here's the problem: The author has developed an annoying writing style for his descriptions of events and character dialog that is so annoying that it angers me to read it. So now I just skip through the pages picking up a sentence here and a quote there to let me know what's going on, without having to suffer the shitty writing, because I want to know how the stories turn out.
All in all, do not recommend.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 18, 2026 10:00 AM (/RHNq)
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I mentioned last week that Michael Dirda was fired by the Washington Post after 44 years because the shit for brains management got rid of their book world section. I got Dirda's "An Open Book" memoir about how his reading life began and developed. I have all his other books but hadn't read them in a while. I forgot just how enjoyable his writing is. There is always a subtle, pleasant smile interwoven in his writing, no matter the topic. It makes for delightful and relaxed reading.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 10:00 AM (yTvNw)
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Read 'Man without a Country', Kurt Vonnegut's kind of a memoir from 2005. Strange that I now think I dislike Bush almost as much as Vonnegut did.
It was short and enjoyed the ~95% that didn't get into political stuff. It is too bad that the world completely ran out of oil a few years after he died in 2007.
Also best movie cameo ever, but that didn't make it into this short book.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at October 18, 2026 10:00 AM (KaHlS)
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I have a paperback edition of The Caine Mutiny with pics from both the movie with Bogart, and from the stage play of the court-martial with Lloyd Nolan as Queeg . . . and a very young James Garner visible as an officer in the scene.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 09:55 AM (wzUl9)
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My prized paperback novelization of Return of the Jedi has some color inserts from the film, and it's still pretty intact given how many times I read it in the summer of '83.
My parents weren't big on paying to see the same movie more than once, so that book was my way to re-watch it over that glorious summer.
The extended dialogue between Obi-Wan and Luke helped build out the core of the Man of Destiny series because it pointed to a very different origin story than was afterwards told in the prequels.
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Haven't caught that film of Simenon's Man Who Watched the Trains Go By just yet -- it's in my list. There have been tons of films and tv movies made from his books.
Have managed to scrounge up a lot of his non-Maigrets and am slowly working my way through the pile, and so far I like those books a lot.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 10:04 AM (q3u5l)
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Longest waste of time book I've read was An American Tragedy by Dreiser. Whether or not it describes a murder still fascinates me, the death having occurred as he planned but not exactly how he planned. But it could have been done in 200 rather than 900 pages.
But at least the movie had a young Elizabeth Taylor.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 18, 2026 10:05 AM (JzUSu)
The author of I Am Pilgrim used the folk tale The Monkey and the Ewer to make the point that 'letting go' is sometimes the best solution to a problem. (told to the protagonist and reader via a Buddhist monk.)
The folk tale isn't the trope, it's the silly western notion that Buddhist monks are always wise and unselfish.
Posted by: 13_times at October 18, 2026 10:05 AM (fnZRl)
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Back to comment 63. The algorithm is Unlikely to predict my reading. You’d think I’d learn to proofread before posting
Posted by: Who Knew at October 18, 2026 10:05 AM (xbMkL)
Posted by: Eromero at October 18, 2026 10:06 AM (f1k6x)
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Good morning
Safe travels home to all those headed there this morning.
Finished Islington's ew Sci Fi book, Scion, this week.It almost felt like a novella and in the afterword he says that he didn't originally set out to publish it so might be a one off. It is quite different from his other works. Although it has a satisfactory ending, there is a hint that there might be more story to tell. I hope he writes a sequel.
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I have preferred genres and authors of course, I have been deliberately trying to step out of my fantasy/sci-fi rut though into Romance and Mystery. I am more drawn to genre fiction as it tends to be about the story rather than the inner life and sex hangups of the protagonists.
(clears throat, looking at John Irving sidelong)
I do a lot of history reading as well as history and biography are also stories. In the end, I think good quality is what draws me. I'm not going to read crap mysteries but I'll read everything Agatha Christie wrote and I'll enjoy ALMOST every Nero Wolfe story.
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I was recently talking with a friend about what book is the greatest science fiction novel of all time. I proposed a list of about a dozen, and my friend objected that all of them were written before 2000. I didn't argue, but I did think to myself "I know . . . "
When did publishing become almost entirely female? When did books become formulaic and uninteresting? Does correlation sometimes imply causation?
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 09:40 AM (78a2H)
I wasn't as deep into SF as others here. I read some, but I mostly was classic and non-fiction oriented. But, recently reading older SF, I'd say you choosing pre-millennium work just shows the difference between older writers and younger ones. It's all "formula" now. Take a look at all the YT "writers" who tell you how to write. Use kill the kat, no use the Hemingway method, no write like Sanderberg, etc.
It does seem that many houses are no longer run by those who love books, like my favorite, Bennett Cerf, but are locked into the Blue-haired, pierced, obese HR loser GAH! Brain, brain, what is brain? Can't think of the word I want to say. Grrr. But they run publishing, so trad author types can't get into print.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
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The extended dialogue between Obi-Wan and Luke helped build out the core of the Man of Destiny series because it pointed to a very different origin story than was afterwards told in the prequels.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2026 10:02 AM (ZOv7s)
Pretty much everything about the prequels still was better with what we imagined vs what Lucas went with. He pretty much wanted to go with a kid friendly kind of show, but at the same time also serious and it made the tone all over the place.
I remember back in the day, my buddy and I speculating. This was after it was revealed Jake Lloyd was going to be Anakin in the Phantom Menace. I remember that dynamite poster of the kid but the shadow he cast was of Darth Vader. At the time, we thought 'You know, if they go in a Sixth Sense/Haley Joel Osmont direction with this' where the kid is super serious for his age because he was tormented by what he saw coming...
Not what we got. In essence, Lucas abandoned character building for all of his people and had the worst dialogue- which made things even worse.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 18, 2026 10:08 AM (Y/06r)
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When did publishing become almost entirely female?
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^^^This^^^
I find it very annoying. I know there are some great female authors but I find myself excluding authors just because of female names. it seems like it's 90% female and many are horrible.
Posted by: lin-duh at October 18, 2026 10:09 AM (VCgbV)
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No algorithm is likely to predict or drive my reading since I acquire new books mostly by wandering through used book stores.
Posted by: Who Knew
The erratic life is the untraceable life. Who knew?
Posted by: From about That Time at October 18, 2026 10:09 AM (sl73Y)
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^^^This^^^
I find it very annoying. I know there are some great female authors but I find myself excluding authors just because of female names. it seems like it's 90% female and many are horrible.
Posted by: lin-duh at October 18, 2026 10:09 AM (VCgbV)
Gay dudes are just as bad. Hell, straight dudes can go and start injecting gay stuff in their series after several books (looking at Sanderson.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 18, 2026 10:10 AM (Y/06r)
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The Libby app just told me Where The Red Fern Grows by Wilson Rawls is available, so it's been downloaded and is now available for audiobook consumption.
I'm pretty sure I sought it out based on a Horde recommendation.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 18, 2026 10:11 AM (SeSfo)
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Any author who thinks they are going to write the greatest book of all time is deluding themselves.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:44 AM (FZ29D)
(throws keyboard across the room and pouts)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
My favorite SciFi novel is Armor.
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026 10:13 AM (KC5Lt)
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Ran across an interview with Robert Silverberg the other day. It was done in connection with some SF fan organization (forget which) and seemed to focus heavily on fandom history, so I just skipped through it. Recent interview, this year. Silverberg looked frail, but he's 91 now, so, natch. But he was asked if he was interested in receiving fanzines any more and he said he was not. He said he already had his reading planned out for the year.
I kind of envy that -- the ability to plan the reading and stay with that plan; I always distract myself with some other nifty looking book. I'll have to try it again some day.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 10:13 AM (q3u5l)
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The ordeal oil tanker that they literally had to lash to other ships to keep it afloat so that the island wouldn't run out of fuel is it's own movie. Very much like "Action in the North Atlantic."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
Two American merchant mariners refused to abandon it, and convinced others to help. Essentially, the buoyancy of the petroleum products in the holds was the only thing keeping it from dragging the other ships down with it. They got it into Malta, and as they pumped out the gas and diesel, the ship began to sink.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 10:13 AM (0U5gm)
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Here's the problem: The author has developed an annoying writing style for his descriptions of events and character dialog that is so annoying that it angers me to read it.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 18, 2026 10:00 AM (/RHNq)
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That is why I don't read Stephen King. I can't stand his writing style. My wife is a huge fan, especially of his weird self-insert Gunslinger thing, but I have zero use for any of it because it hurts my eyes to see it.
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Said when I read The Caine Mutiny that for as much as I love that movie the book is more superb.
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2026 10:15 AM (Ia/+0)
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The author who is the easiest for me to read is Steven Pressfield. It's effortless.
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026 10:15 AM (KC5Lt)
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Still listening to 'Red Storm Rising' by Clancey. Only been listening while working out or driving so it has taken a good bit, but it also means I have been able to savor it and concentrate on it instead of listening to it while doing something else (you know, aside from working out.)
Still surprised by decent character building, but also respect for the characters on both sides. People are competent, invested in their side, but only the KGB are portrayed as mustache twirling villains. Well written dialogue. Fun stuff. Trying to decide if I want to get some of his ryanverse stuff on audiobook.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 18, 2026 10:15 AM (Y/06r)
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That could be the seed for a story...perhaps a mystery of some sort.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2026 09:49 AM (FZ29D)
So, this is where you've been these past thirty years, Harris! We thought you died.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:16 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Thanks for the link to the Uncle Abner stories! I look forward to reading them. That's the great thing about this weekly post -- I learn about works I otherwise would never have heard of.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:16 AM (78a2H)
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Among the best film adaptations of popular books is L.A. Confidential.
Posted by: Rollo Tomassi at October 18, 2026 10:19 AM (fnZRl)
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Perf, say it ain't so! I know your Abercrombie comments were just a troll for reaction! Right?! Right?
The Devils is my favorite. Grimdark Dirty Dozen. Audiobook really helped seal the deal. Much like DCC is inseparable from Jeff Hayes bringing it to life.
Anyhow, funny one, Perf!
Posted by: JSpicy at October 18, 2026 10:19 AM (qpQEt)
151I find it very annoying. I know there are some great female authors but I find myself excluding authors just because of female names. it seems like it's 90% female and many are horrible.
Posted by: lin-duh at October 18, 2026
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My rule of thumb is: If the author name is female, if she has an MFA, if the book is told in present tense . . . pass.
Sometimes I'll ignore it. But rarely.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:21 AM (wzUl9)
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Perfessor discussed the Robin Hobb books in the post. I haven't read any of her stuff. I tend to avoid derivative fantasy books/series. I find them boring in a 'it's been done better' sense. Familiarity with settings and characters within a series, like Nero Wolfe or Sherlock Holmes, is a good launching point for the story. But too much similarity in a genre, especially when the original books are what drew me to the genre, has little appeal.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 10:22 AM (yTvNw)
153Thanks for the link to the Uncle Abner stories! I look forward to reading them. That's the great thing about this weekly post -- I learn about works I otherwise would never have heard of.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026
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I find it hard to read on the screen, but something as short as the Uncle Abners are not bad. Just now I re-read "The Straw Man" and found it well done and gripping. Post's writing style is a touch old-fashioned, but it is not florid or wordy.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:22 AM (wzUl9)
154*imagines a lone clerk sitting in the basement of Penguin House, responding to orders sent from the back of decades-old paperbacks...
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 18, 2026 09:47 AM (CjHsb)
So, true story (Cuckoo's Egg by Cliff Stoll, great and funny book) They caught this hacker breaking in to to one of the Berkeley mainframes by making up a "publication order form" and leaving it in the documents folder for the hacker to find. Including some docs listed as "classified". Hacker-chan actually *sent in* that form by snail mail--with the classified tag deleted, like that would help. The rest of the book is fun too, and a great view into how the early hackers were found. Also a snapshot of Berkeley, which I found nostalgic (did a postdoc there, so it was very much a "I remember that building!" kind of book)
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at October 18, 2026 10:23 AM (vAQDP)
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I think I did a book review (under a different nic) a while back on At All Costs by Sam Moses, which is a detailed look at the US merchant mariners that refused to give up the SS Ohio and got it to Malta.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 18, 2026 10:23 AM (0U5gm)
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Not what we got. In essence, Lucas abandoned character building for all of his people and had the worst dialogue- which made things even worse.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 18, 2026 10:08 AM (Y/06r)
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I mean, take sand. It gets everywhere!
The story hinted at in the original films (and novelizations) was that Anakin was Luke's age when Obi-Wan met him. Uncle Owen was Obi-Wan's brother, who agreed to foster the boy, and the animosity he evidences is because he is a dirt farmer and his special brother got to be a general and a mystic. Classic sibling rivalry.
So - spoiler alert - that is the story I told in the Man of Destiny series. A galactic commonwealth in decline, guarded by an ossified and useless knightly order and being torn apart by economic pressure and political self-dealing. All it needs is a catalyst, an outsider willing to shake things up and ruthless enough to achieve his goals while everyone in power underestimates him. It very much prefigures Trump, if you think about it.
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Ilhan Omar’s dad, Nur Omar Mohamed, has no official record of being a naturalized US citizen, according to documents obtained by a Minnesota activist in 2023 — undermining Omar’s legal claim to citizenship by way of family relations.
The documents show that a US Citizenship and Immigration Services information officer conducted a “diligent search” but found “no record” relating to Nur Omar Mohamed or other variants of his name such as Nur Said Elmi Mohamed.
haha
Posted by: r hennigantx at October 18, 2026 10:24 AM (/+uur)
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Having said what I did in comment 152, is it worth checking out The Assassin's Apprentice by Robin Hobb? It doesn't sound like just another LOTR wanna be series.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 10:25 AM (yTvNw)
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That is why I don't read Stephen King. I can't stand his writing style. My wife is a huge fan, especially of his weird self-insert Gunslinger thing, but I have zero use for any of it because it hurts my eyes to see it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
I read King religiously in order as his books came out as a young man, but then I read Dreamcatcher in 1999 and that was the last thing by him I read. And of course, he's lost his fucking mind and is a drunken asshole, as well. Can't stand him. Never did read any of the Dark Tower shit.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 18, 2026 10:26 AM (/RHNq)
My first exposure to "Star Trek" was the animated series, so when the Log books began, I snatched them up as they hit the shelves. Reread them frequently. I liked the personal vignettes that began each book -- how M'Ress joined Starfleet and won her promotion, fir example. Then after Log Seven, I never saw them again.
I acquired the last three books in the series in recent years. Two books left until I've read them all.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2026 10:26 AM (79FUi)
161Said when I read The Caine Mutiny that for as much as I love that movie the book is more superb.
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2026
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Teh novel almost reads itself toyou. You don't need to know anything about the Navy; everything you need is explained as the story goes along.
Another of Herman Wouk's "big" books, Youngblood Hawke, is about a young author navigating the NY publishing world in the late Forties, and is dynamite as well.
I didn't much care for his Marjorie Morningstar when I read it in about 1980. Maybe I'd like it better now.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:27 AM (wzUl9)
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Having said what I did in comment 152, is it worth checking out The Assassin's Apprentice by Robin Hobb? It doesn't sound like just another LOTR wanna be series.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 10:25 AM (yTvNw)
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It’s NOT a Tolkien clone in the slightest. Very much a character driven story. Told in the style of a memoir as the main character reflects on his life and the decisions that led him to where he is now as a much older man.
Posted by: Perfessor Squirrel at October 18, 2026 10:28 AM (ppvE/)
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Fell off reading most sf except for a few favorite writers in the late 80s. I'll still look at listings, but from the descriptions they just don't sound like books I'd enjoy reading. When I look at Hugo and Nebula listings now, there are very few writers that I've even heard of let alone read.
There's an anthology edited by Barry Malzberg and Bill Pronzini called The End of Summer (also published as The Fifties, I think), which includes only sf stories from the 50s. Malzberg's essay in the book makes the case for that decade being the one that produced much of sf's strongest work.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 10:28 AM (q3u5l)
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The important thing about the Ilhan Omar investigation isn't anything to do with her immigration status. It's all the evidence of other crimes by her and her fellow Democrats that's sitting in her phone and her laptop. Hence the need for a raid, so that nothing could be accidentally deleted a la Hillary! Clinton.
I wonder if there's going to be a lot of sudden resignations in the next couple of weeks.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:29 AM (78a2H)
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Do I get a prize for my unnecessary correction of post 63=because I misread my own writing the second time around,
Posted by: Who Knew at October 18, 2026 10:29 AM (xbMkL)
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My favorite SciFi novel is Armor.
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026 10:13 AM (KC5Lt)
Looked it up. MilSF. Not my area of interest, even though the current WIP will have scenes of combat, I'm more of a soft SF/Trek type of SF reader.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:29 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I never read the Caine Mutiny but hated the speech by Ferrer at the end of the movie. I've learned I'm in the minority with that opinion.
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026 10:30 AM (KC5Lt)
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Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:29 AM (1Ff7Z)
Much much more than military SciFi .
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026 10:31 AM (KC5Lt)
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I'm reading Disconnected Kids by Robert Melillo trying to help my oldest who has adhd...and also The Prophet by Khalil Gibran, which is so pretty it hurts my feelings.
Posted by: Funsize at October 18, 2026 10:32 AM (3j87q)
171There's an anthology edited by Barry Malzberg and Bill Pronzini called The End of Summer (also published as The Fifties, I think), which includes only sf stories from the 50s. Malzberg's essay in the book makes the case for that decade being the one that produced much of sf's strongest work.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026
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When I began reading written SF in earnest, most of what I really enjoyed was written before about 1965. Heinlein's Future History shorts, themed anthologies edited by Silverberg, stories from Galaxy, etc. Then came Larry Niven, who only started his career in 1964, but he was a storyteller and not a New Wave writer.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:33 AM (wzUl9)
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Interesting thing about Caine Mutiny: Wouk drew on his own experiences during the war serving aboard a destroyer minesweeper. In that situation his shipmates might try to figure out which character is based on which person, and some feelings might be hurt. But Wouk made sure to make the hypocritical weasel Keefer very similar to one Lt. Herman Wouk in personal details. Kind of defangs any criticism when you make your stand-in the worst guy in the book.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:34 AM (78a2H)
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(cont) I really wanted to like the prequels, but they broke me. My wife and I met in a Star Wars chatroom when Episode I came out, and we did the costume thing for the midnight showings and Episode III left me choking with rage. The entire family begged me to go to Episode VII where I set a personal record for checking my watch.
In addition to a stupid kid plot (written by a guy who has no idea how kids behave), can there be anything with lower dramatic stakes than a war between clones and robots? Like who gives a shit?
So that was another thing I had to change. Robots exist, but they cannot be armed because of the Terminator problem. That way the resulting war actually carries heft and you can actually show a wartime mentality setting in as people lose friends and family and vow revenge.
And yes, characters die off, and the slow grind of attrition turns people to evil. "Orbital bombardments are bad and should never be used" becomes "We're not losing another 10 million troops to take that factory planet. Smash it from space."
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Took my daughter to see Episode III when she was still pretty young. She says that at one point she glanced over at me in the theater and saw this expression of crushing disappointment on my face. She says that was the first time she realized a movie could be _bad_.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:36 AM (78a2H)
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I've been spending more time reading foundation materials of western culture: Plato, Aurelius, The early Christian writers, the Landmark history books, etc. Recently got "Meditations -The Annotated Edition" by Robert Waterfield. The background information on Aurelius' life and deeds really adds depth to the writing and the annotations are very helpful. I enjoyed my earlier edition of Meditations but this is better.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 10:37 AM (yTvNw)
176I never read the Caine Mutiny but hated the speech by Ferrer at the end of the movie. I've learned I'm in the minority with that opinion.
Posted by: polynikes at October 18, 2026
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It's in the novel too. I loved it because it came as a surprise: After Greenwald's spirited and successful defense of the "mutineers," to have him come around and essentially defend Queeg was a shock. A necessary one, I think.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:37 AM (wzUl9)
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But Wouk made sure to make the hypocritical weasel Keefer very similar to one Lt. Herman Wouk in personal details.
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So he didn't just talk the talk. He Wouked the Wouk.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Up, Up, and Away! at October 18, 2026 10:38 AM (ndZc7)
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In that situation his shipmates might try to figure out which character is based on which person, and some feelings might be hurt.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:34 AM (78a2H)
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I was still in the military when I wrote Three Weeks with the Coasties: A tale of disaster and also an oil spill, which is about the Deepwater Horizon oil spill recovery.
I was very much aware that people might be recognized, so I created a list of names drawn from MSU's buildings and randomly assigned them to characters. In a couple of cases, I completely altered the physical appearance of a character as well.
I had to get Pentagon approval of the manuscript, and when I did, I made a copy and gave it to my commander.
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GAH! Brain, brain, what is brain? Can't think of the word I want to say. Grrr.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
Paradigm, you idiot. Paradigm.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:41 AM (1Ff7Z)
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When I started reading sf with Heinlein's The Puppet Masters, reprints of work from the 40s and 50s were all over the racks. New titles were coming from publishers like Ace and Ballantine and Berkley, and they were doing reprints as well. The SF Book Club offered a nice mix of new and old stuff for a long time. Seems to me that the earlier work stopped being reprinted much some time in the 90s, but I could be wrong there; maybe I just wasn't getting around enough to see all those reprints. I do know that I could walk into Hastings or Books-a-Million in Joplin starting around then and see just about zip in the way of Heinlein or Sturgeon or Williamson. Plenty of series books, though.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026 10:42 AM (q3u5l)
181 I used to enjoy series but somewhere along the line I always get bored with them.
Pendergast was one I stuck with longer than most, I bailed out along the time of "Still Life With Crows". Maybe one or two books after that.
One type that wears me out pretty fast is the "lonely drunk asshole" detective trope.
So, I suppose hurray for Irish mystery/thriller writer, Ken Bruen, cuz I'm still sticking around for his drunk asshole "detective".
I really like his novel, "American Skin".
He gets a few things wrong about America being Irish and all, but still a fun, entertaining read.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2026 10:42 AM (YSUhf)
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A paradigm, a paradigm, a most elusive paradigm . . .
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:42 AM (78a2H)
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Paradigm, you idiot. Paradigm.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:41 AM (1Ff7Z)
Twenty cents, same as in town.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 18, 2026 10:44 AM (vQ89V)
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It's in the novel too. I loved it because it came as a surprise: After Greenwald's spirited and successful defense of the "mutineers," to have him come around and essentially defend Queeg was a shock. A necessary one, I think.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:37 AM (wzUl9)
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I read The Winds of War and War and Remembrance and by the end his writing style grated on me. I'm now to the point where if I really like a film, I accept it as a film, because sometimes the book disappoints. We've had the "The Movie Was Better" discussion before, and I've been disappointed enough that I want to spend time reading a new story.
I'm told by a friend who read the book that Queeg was softened in the film, and the backstory altered to make him fit Bogart's age. I think it makes a more interesting tale.
185Seems to me that the earlier work stopped being reprinted much some time in the 90s, but I could be wrong there; maybe I just wasn't getting around enough to see all those reprints. I do know that I could walk into Hastings or Books-a-Million in Joplin starting around then and see just about zip in the way of Heinlein or Sturgeon or Williamson. Plenty of series books, though.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 18, 2026
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The same with classical mysteries in today's bookstores. Agatha Christie, yes, but Queen, Carr, Stout? No. Even Ian Fleming is hard to find unless there is a new issue of the series.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:44 AM (wzUl9)
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The last Stephen King book I read was The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon, and I liked it. It was different from his usual overblown crapola. I decided that was a good place to stop.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2026 10:45 AM (2Xqig)
187 The last Stephen King book I read was The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon, and I liked it. It was different from his usual overblown crapola. I decided that was a good place to stop.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2026
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Many of his later books do not stick in my mind, but 11/22/63 is one fine SF time-travel novel.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:46 AM (wzUl9)
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OT but breaking. Mass casualty event in Alberta. A military training accident leaves dead, wounded, and massive fires. Some estimates are as high as 100 casualties. 24 hour rule.
https://tinyurl.com/3p23bxzs
Meanwhile, Paris is burning and Macron goes to a Celine Dion concert.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Up, Up, and Away! at October 18, 2026 10:46 AM (ndZc7)
189I'm told by a friend who read the book that Queeg was softened in the film, and the backstory altered to make him fit Bogart's age. I think it makes a more interesting tale.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2026
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Bogart was in his early fifties then. How old was Queeg in the novel? He'd been a career Navy man during peacetime, during the Thirties at least. I always got the impression that he was close to fifty.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 18, 2026 10:50 AM (wzUl9)
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I wonder if there's going to be a lot of sudden resignations in the next couple of weeks.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:29 AM (78a2H)
Are we taking bets on when the "Nothing will happen" guy shows up?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 18, 2026 10:50 AM (1Ff7Z)
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A book on one of the old 'spin-racks' in a 1970s drugstore had very nicely-done cover art and a curious title. It was displaying a cover with a single word at top: Transhumanism. I had no effin' idea what that meant, so I bought it. When I started reading it, it made even LESS sense, so I put it on the side and figured I'd pick up where I left off later. Big mistake. I shoulda finished it. But, being about (what?) 17 years old, I just hadn't got to the 'smarted-up' stage. Now I wish I'd read the 'Preview of Coming Attractions', 'cos its flower is in full bloom now …
Posted by: Dr_No at October 18, 2026 10:50 AM (ayRl+)
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172 Interesting thing about Caine Mutiny: Wouk drew on his own experiences during the war serving aboard a destroyer minesweeper. In that situation his shipmates might try to figure out which character is based on which person, and some feelings might be hurt. But Wouk made sure to make the hypocritical weasel Keefer very similar to one Lt. Herman Wouk in personal details. Kind of defangs any criticism when you make your stand-in the worst guy in the book.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2026 10:34 AM (78a2H)
Sorta like how in the works of Dale Brown the hero is usually a nav…because Mr. Brown himself was a nav.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 18, 2026 10:54 AM (aZEbd)
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No (enjoyable) reading for me this week. I'm spending the morning on Amazon searching for a book or books about how to use an oscilloscope. You know those "SUBJECT for Dummies" books? Yeah, I'm going to need one titled "Oscilloscopes for Lobotomized Hamsters Whose Owners Filled Their Water Bottles With Grain Alcohol," because said hamster will have about as much chance as I do understanding anything having to do with sine waves and transient voltages.
Posted by: PabloD at October 18, 2026 10:54 AM (mXZsC)
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162 ... "It’s NOT a Tolkien clone in the slightest. Very much a character driven story. Told in the style of a memoir as the main character reflects on his life and the decisions that led him to where he is now as a much older man."
Perfessor, Thanks for the response. Clearly it's time for a visit to the used book store to get a copy of The Assassin's Apprentice. (I'll just have to 'force' myself to go.) To my unsurprised annoyance, our local library doesn't have any paper copies of Hobb's books.
Since almost all modern fiction, certainly 'bestsellers', have no appeal, (I'm not a trendy kind of guy) finding recent books that are fun reads are nice. Especially interspersed with the classics I'm spending more time with like The Faerie Queene, Paradise Lost, Romantic poets and Shakespeare.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2026 10:56 AM (yTvNw)
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186 The last Stephen King book I read was The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon, and I liked it. It was different from his usual overblown crapola. I decided that was a good place to stop.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2026 10:45 AM (2Xqig)
I checked out at Needful Things. Haven’t read any King since.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 18, 2026 10:59 AM (aZEbd)
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I was greeted this morning by a link to a book review of David Zirin's panegyric biography of Howard Zinn at the Washington Examiner's website. Hoo boy.
Posted by: mrp at October 18, 2026 11:02 AM (rj6Yv)
the e-mail address I have for you appears to be defunct. Can you email me at seamus underscore muldoon at yahoo dot com.
I want to send you some technical details.
Posted by: muldoon at October 18, 2026 11:03 AM (I0N4X)
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I wonder if where we grew up influences what we like. I'm a MT girl--hadn't been east of Minneapolis until I went to college. Stories about the sea just don't call out to me.
I wonder if it would be the opposite for, say, Jack Straw. That a prairie story would bore him.
Also being western, the Asian aspect of WW11 was much more discussed postwar. Germany rarely came up. People who wouldn't buy Japanese didn't mind buying German.
Posted by: Wenda at October 18, 2026 11:04 AM (J5E68)
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