Jack Smith Spied on Trump's Lawyers and Advisors to Find Out Who They Were Talking to In Response to Their Prosecution

They slapped Trump with an absurd investigation, and then essentially criminalized his use of lawyers to defend himself. They spied on his lawyers and advisors as if they were mafia capos.

Jack Smith team tracked Trump defense lawyers' calls by monitoring his chief of staff's phone
Declassified memos reveal that Jack Smith's secret dragnet, codenamed "Plasmic Echo," monitored senior Trump associates and staff's contacts with lawyers, staff, and journalists during the 2024 campaign.
By John Solomon and Steven Richards
Already in the crosshairs for spying on Congress, ex-prosecutor Jack Smith and his team monitored the activities of President Donald Trump's legal defense team, journalists and campaign advisers using a pen register device that tracked the calls coming to and from his chief of staff Susie Wiles' phone, according to newly declassified memos that reveal some of the FBI's invasive tactics used to target Trump.
Just the News reported last week that Smith obtained the phone records of several senators through a subpoena and secured a non-disclosure order from the court preventing the mobile carrier from notifying the lawmakers affected. One of those senators, Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., filed a lawsuit against Smith arguing his spying constituted an unauthorized intrusion into her civil rights.
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The three-year probe of the ex-president -- which put Joe Biden's administration in charge of the legal fate of his GOP rival in the 2024 election -- was approved at the highest levels of the Biden Justice Department, including by Attorney General Merrick Garland, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco and FBI Director Christopher Wray, the memos show.
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The probe also made FBI agents at times uncomfortable, with a senior official at the bureau's Washington, D.C. Field Office (WFO) counterintelligence unit and his team raising concerns that they did not have a justification to raid Trump's Florida home and wanted to use a less invasive solution than a search warrant, the documents show.
"WFO does not believe (and has articulated to DOJ CES), that we have established probable cause for the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago. DOJ has opined that they do, requesting a wide scope including residence, office, storage space," one Assistant Special Agent in Charge wrote in a July 13, 2023, update on the Plasmic Echo probe.
In that same memo, the agent laid out alternative methods for resolution, rather than executing a search warrant on Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's Palm Beach, Florida estate, including by asking "to speak with" the former president and his counsel directly.
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The newly released memos show an intense focus on two constitutionally protected activities -- Trump's right to a legal defense and the normal activities of a presidential campaign. After the Justice Department and the FBI began their investigations into the then-former president, Trump announced his third campaign for the Oval Office in November 2022 and appointed Wiles to serve as co-campaign manager.

The memos released Monday by the White House show that FBI investigators were tracing Wiles' phone calls and text messages with at least 21 lawyers affiliated with Trump, numerous campaign staff, political advisors, and at least five journalists from at least February to May 2023.
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In one instance, the FBI specifically targeted Wiles' communication records to understand who she was in contact with before and after her interview with FBI agents on April 7, 2023, in Jacksonville, Florida. "On 10 April 2023, WFO [redacted] reviewed WILES's telephonic activity to determine contacts of interest on the date of her FBI interview," one memo reads.

The records also show agents combed through entire filings of Trump's political action committee with its donors and campaign expenses, set up a social media monitoring effort and even used personal political endorsements as leverage against a key witness.

Jack Smith was asked at his recent Senate perjury session if being a Republican was illegal in his eyes.

Here's one of the predicates for that question: Smith's team treated a Trump National Security Advisor's endorsement of Republicans as an avenue for criminal investigation.

One memo recounts how the FBI sought to pressure former Trump National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien when he was declining to volunteer for an interview by checking his political endorsements of candidates.
"I'm going through all of it, and it looks like O'Brien is active in endorsing Republican candidates," one member of Jack Smith's team wrote on February 6, 2023. "Can FBI please look at his social media and see if there's anything of relevance we would want to ask him about? Has he endorsed Trump again? Thanks."

Jack Smith secretly met with the criminal architect of RussiaGate -- and the FBI left blank the pages that were supposed to document this meeting.

"On 3 November 2023, FBI Washington Field Office (WFO) and Special Counsel personnel met with former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) John BRENNAN at CIA Headquarters in McLean, Virginia," a typed FBI summary of the meeting states.
"The purpose of the meeting was to discuss expert testimony to National Defense Information in the forthcoming captioned investigation," the summary written five days after the Brennan interaction added. "No documents were shown in this meeting. The original Agent notes will be maintained in the attached IA."
Two agents' notes are attached to the memo, but they are entirely blank except for the date of the meeting, the location, Brennan's name and the government attendees.

NEW: DECLASSIFIED FBI Probe "PLASMIC ECHO"
- Appears to use FBI investigative tool known as a "Pen Register" to target phone calls of then campaign manager @SusieWiles47
- Allegedly tracked nearly two dozen defense attorneys, five journalists, @FLOTUS, political advisers including @FBIDirectorKash
- Administration official characterizes as "intrusive tactics" by special counsel Jack Smith team
- Probe laid groundwork for classified records case against President Trump
Pen Register Trap and Trace or PRTT
- Surveillance tool collects non-content routing data
- Phone numbers dialed or received
- Call times and duration
Two Scenarios
- Used for criminal and national security investigations
- lower standard than probable-cause warrant
Potential Violations
- First (Freedom of Speech) and Fourth Amendments (unreasonable search and seizure)
NOTE: Former Senior FBI agent says it looks like a classic FBI "tickle the wire" operation.
After FBI agents contact Wiles, the bureau tracks phone calls to identify who she immediately contacts
"On 10 April 2023, FBI WFO (Washington Field Office) reviewed WILES's telephonic activity to determine contacts of interest on the date of her FBI interview."
Declassified records via @WhiteHouse transparency task force
— Catherine Herridge (@C__Herridge) October 5, 2026

So Hack Smith got a pen register on Susie Wiles. This, according to records released today by @jsolomonReports, enabled Smith to track calls between Wiles and anyone including the president’s lawyers in real time rather than a backwards look in time.
I’m guessing this refers to conversations with Todd Blanche, who represented the president at the time in both the Alvin Bragg indictment and docs indictment in FLA.
Bragg announced the indictment against the president the following week.
— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) October 5, 2026

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:35 PM

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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 05, 2026 02:36 PM (FAGAJ)

2 Standard business practices, really

- Every lefty ever

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 05, 2026 02:36 PM (gLYp7)

3 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (FAGAJ)

4 So now something will happen!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (aI58f)

5 Fruit of the poisoned loom?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (1ikK2)

6 I have a solution.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (dK+Kv)

7 Redacted.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (1ikK2)

8 This is as big a shock to the senses as the plot twists in Digger.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (XV/Pl)

9
First in before nothing will happen guy.

Posted by: Auspex at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (Y8DZL)

10

But he didnt got to a football game!!!

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz PhD Esq at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (VuTBl)

11 Qeustion: Does the statute of limitations start from when the crime is committed? Or from when the crime is discovered?

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (4NO2D)

12
Standard procedure, my boy, standard procedure.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (eRlcH)

13 putting up with this over the years is incredibly destructive

none of us expect anything

it's demoralizing and incites despair, which is just icing on the cake for Leftists

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (j+aD2)

14 Jack Smith is still breathing my air. Why?

Posted by: Dee Lawd at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (Al3kG)

15 Some of this has to be illegal.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (1ikK2)

16 Willowed, so cut me some slack jack ...

369 216 GAINZZ report:

I did a weight lifting meet on Saturday.
I got three new PRs:
280lbs bench.
395lbs squat.
495lbs deadlift.

1170lbs total.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 05, 2026 01:59 PM (mkw2N)

What Fed?

Age (what level of 29) and Weight Class ?
Posted by: browndog says woof at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (oCio0)

Posted by: browndog says woof at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (oCio0)

17 I have a solution.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM

Is it final?

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (4NO2D)

18 I remember when another one of Trump's lawyers office was raided (scumbag Cohen) and the ACLU actually tweeted they supported the action.

When I saw all what was going on with this, Jack Smith, Jan 6 gulags, Trump kangaroo courts in NY etc. I kept thinking the SC would ride to the rescue, and they never really did.

Posted by: Leupold at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (AigY+)

19 I guess Smith was at Springsteen's " Hate America " concert this weekend wearing a No Kings tee shirt...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 05, 2026 02:39 PM (+gK6I)

20 The fact that John Brennan hasn't been woodchippered yet is depressing

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 05, 2026 02:40 PM (ofacb)

21 Fruit of the poisoned loom?
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM (1ikK2)
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Yes, but doesn't it have the cornicopia?

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 05, 2026 02:40 PM (+4TiR)

22 "Plasmic Echo"

Gayer than a MMM threesome at the Bear Beta Rho frat

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 05, 2026 02:40 PM (iFTx/)

23 In that same memo, the agent laid out alternative methods for resolution, rather than executing a search warrant on Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's Palm Beach, Florida estate, including by asking "to speak with" the former president and his counsel directly.

Well, we can't have that.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 05, 2026 02:40 PM (j+8bz)

24 And yet, no prosecutions.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 05, 2026 02:40 PM (EaqT1)

25 " Smith's team treated a Trump National Security Advisor's endorsement of Republicans as an avenue for criminal investigation."

Chilling ... to every voter that knows the FBI can come down hard on them at any moment.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (vbXSk)

26 . . . Jack Smith's secret dragnet, codenamed "Plasmic Echo," . . .

We are not amused. In the least, even.

Posted by: Jack Webb and Wendy O. Williams at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (wVcYX)

27 Saw the ugly bastid's photo in the UK DM today.

Wearing a "No Kings" tee shirt. Fitting. It was at a concert for the raspy voiced old geezer Springsteen.

Jack Smith and that ugly judge, Boasberg, could be twins if not siblings. Same long depresso fugly face. Maybe the work of the CIA in a cloning lab in Mogadishu.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (hzuYO)

28 I don't wanna be that guy but... he walks away scott free, maybe lose his law license but he never uses it now anyway

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (nIKjK)

29 They forgot the indictment part.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (1ikK2)

30 Smith's team treated a Trump National Security Advisor's endorsement of Republicans as an avenue for criminal investigation.
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We have all the necessary evidence but have not been able to convince the public to perform the Constitutional solution.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _' at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (2UA/a)

31 Wow this sure is a surprising turn of events

Posted by: ballistic at October 05, 2026 02:41 PM (oqH4h)

32 I have a solution.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:37 PM

Is it final?

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (4NO2D)

For some.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:42 PM (dK+Kv)

33 He sells seashells by the seashore.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:42 PM (1ikK2)

34 "Being a republican should only be illegal if you are, at the same time, alive."

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 05, 2026 02:43 PM (ZdTCA)

35 Has a single Democrat on record criticized Jack Smith?

I cant even imagine the chorus if say Bush or Cheney used lawfare like this and it was dragged out into the open, every Republican that could get near a microphone would be screaming about it

Posted by: Leupold at October 05, 2026 02:43 PM (AigY+)

36 I remember when another one of Trump's lawyers office was raided (scumbag Cohen) and the ACLU actually tweeted they supported the action.

When I saw all what was going on with this, Jack Smith, Jan 6 gulags, Trump kangaroo courts in NY etc. I kept thinking the SC would ride to the rescue, and they never really did.
Posted by: Leupold at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (AigY+)
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The SC coulda done more, but they did issue two critical rulings that gutted Smith's investigation: on presidential immunity and Sarbanes Oxley. The latter also gutted most of the J6 prosecutions.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 05, 2026 02:44 PM (iFTx/)

37 Has a single Democrat on record criticized Jack Smith?

No... They've only praised him...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 05, 2026 02:44 PM (+gK6I)

38 "Everything Jack Smith did was legal and upright. I am instructing my DOJ to perform in the exact same manner when investigating Democrat criminality."
-Donald Trump

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:44 PM (42WUB)

39
The probe also made FBI agents at times uncomfortable, with a senior official at the bureau's Washington, D.C. Field Office (WFO) counterintelligence unit and his team raising concerns that they did not have a justification to raid Trump's Florida home and wanted to use a less invasive solution than a search warrant, the documents show.

Yeah, that wave of FBI resignations and public statements in protest to this obviously unconstitutional and criminal violation of attorney/client privilege and the 4th Amendment totally crippled the FBI...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2026 02:44 PM (y9nCu)

40
And yet, no prosecutions.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

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How much of it was actually illegal? That's one of the things that's blackpilling me these days.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 05, 2026 02:44 PM (mmrXZ)

41 When I saw all what was going on with this, Jack Smith, Jan 6 gulags, Trump kangaroo courts in NY etc. I kept thinking the SC would ride to the rescue, and they never really did.
Posted by: Leupold at October 05, 2026 02:38 PM (AigY+)
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It goes back to the Russia, Russia, Russia! hoax. And the FISA court warrants, etc., etc., How many Dems have gone to prison, like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon?

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2026 02:45 PM (rj6Yv)

42 Well, pardoning the J6 trespassers was pretty ballsy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:45 PM (1ikK2)

43 If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.

Posted by: Racially Ambiguous Honky at October 05, 2026 02:45 PM (TfRJa)

44 In all honesty, I am so tired of criminality going unpunished at this point, I wouldn't object to Trump blackbagging all these guys into a hole in the desert somewhere.

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 02:45 PM (4NO2D)

45 43 If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.

Posted by: Racially Ambiguous Honky at October 05, 2026 02:45 PM (TfRJa)

======

"Oh, no! All the wrong things I've done!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (42WUB)

46
I guess Smith was at Springsteen's " Hate America " concert this weekend wearing a No Kings tee shirt...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 05, 2026 02:39 PM (+gK6I)

Attended a Springsteen concert? What a fag.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (y9nCu)

47 I read somewhere we were a nation of laws. How does that work?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (1ikK2)

48 47 I read somewhere we were a nation of laws. How does that work?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (1ikK2)

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“Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:47 PM (42WUB)

49 Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime!

Posted by: Jack "Lavrently" Smith at October 05, 2026 02:47 PM (wVcYX)

50 47 I read somewhere we were a nation of laws. How does that work?
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (1ikK2)

What's that quote again, "for my opponents, the law, for my friends...everything"?

Posted by: Thrawn at October 05, 2026 02:47 PM (oPFtC)

51
I don't wanna be that guy but... he walks away scott free, maybe lose his law license but he never uses it now anyway
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

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...and writes a NY Times bestseller, does a celebrity author tour around, oh say, 2028.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 05, 2026 02:47 PM (mmrXZ)

52 The left completely ripped the facade of neutrality of the Judiciary with the Trump prosecution.

I think they'll be shocked that no Trump voter will care when conservatives start ignoring court orders.

Deep down, they know it, know that the rule of law is dead.
I see that because they are ramping up the conspiracies how how Trump is going to steal the election.
Right now, they are retconning 2024, how Kamala knew it was stolen and called Marc Elias who told her "nothing we can do."
Which leads to, he'll steal it again and he will ignore the courts.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 05, 2026 02:47 PM (3cUTc)

53
In all honesty, I am so tired of criminality going unpunished at this point, I wouldn't object to Trump blackbagging all these guys into a hole in the desert somewhere.
Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 02:45 PM (4NO2D)

Make Waterboarding Great Again

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM (y9nCu)

54 Oh, no! All the wrong things I've done!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (42WUB)

You know what you did.

Posted by: Karen McProsecutor at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM (j+8bz)

55 Waterboard Lurch.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM (1ikK2)

56 11 Qeustion: Does the statute of limitations start from when the crime is committed? Or from when the crime is discovered?
Posted by: toby928(c)

The concept of tolling (comes from tolling of the bell is passage of time legal wise). Complicated area because it is parts of common law, statutory law, and judicial decisions and the answer you are looking for i--it depends.

Prosecutors, up til now have had absolute immunity from civil suits and almost absolute immunity on criminal misconduct related to their job performance like judges applied to themselves (there might be a state or two that doesn't without a survey of all of them, but doesn't apply to Jack Smith). So people have to breach that immunity before tolling comes into play as to what counts for when.

It is very possible that given Smith was apparently illegally appointed (District Judge Cannon held as much before the case went moot), that his actions then would have no more protection than you or I legally from lawsuit or criminal prosecution but that is going to be a Scotus case all and of itself I'd imagine.

Lawfare Incorporated will protect him to the hilt because otherwise, a desperate Jack might turn on them

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM (E4rtv)

57 You got to give the rat bastard his due: Jack Smith openly , to this day, seeks to be the first recipient of the Hero of the Soviet Revolution Medal
--- in the DSA ruled USA.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at October 05, 2026 02:49 PM (eqGud)

58 "Everything Jack Smith did was legal and upright. I am instructing my DOJ to perform in the exact same manner when investigating Democrat criminality."
-Donald Trump

The left has the mangerines to yell that what Trump is doing they'll do but even more in revenge so he better stop it. Its like watching little kids argue

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 05, 2026 02:50 PM (nIKjK)

59 Everyone from the top down involved in this should be tossed in prison before execution for treason...but nuttin' will happen...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 02:50 PM (l3cgK)

60 Waterboard Lurch.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM

It's not waterboarding if you use diesel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 05, 2026 02:50 PM (FAGAJ)

61
Meanwhile, Merrick I'llGarland hides quietly, practicing his future Alzheimer's act.

Posted by: Auspex at October 05, 2026 02:50 PM (Y8DZL)

62 and writes a NY Times bestseller, does a celebrity author tour around, oh say, 2028.

I can just see him on Rachel Maddow's show, the late night circuit, The View... Magazine covers like Time and Newsweek. A sweet lucrative no-work position at Harvard

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (nIKjK)

63 Willowed:
Was watching the Angry Cop vid...he's talking about Cornell Ho snorting ketamine off a frat dong, and it's interrupted by a commercial for Johnsonville sausages...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (l3cgK)

64 I read somewhere we were a nation of laws. How does that work?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:46 PM (1ikK2)

Laws are for little people.

"If you're not cop, you're little people."

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (dK+Kv)

65 In before the 'nothing will hap....' uh, nevermind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (XeU6L)

66 It goes back to the Russia, Russia, Russia!

And Omega Mu!

Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (Fv808)

67 and I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for .... wait ... I have gotten away with it.

Never mind.

Posted by: Jack Smith at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (4NO2D)

68 60 Waterboard Lurch.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM

It's not waterboarding if you use diesel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 05, 2026 02:50 PM (FAGAJ)

What would Vin Diesel be doing there?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (l3cgK)

69 You know, there's one thing I learned in all my years. Sometimes you just gotta say, "What the fuck, make your move."

Posted by: Jack "Risky Business" Smith at October 05, 2026 02:52 PM (wVcYX)

70 I know some, ok almost all, of you don't believe it but there really is a grand jury in Florida, the place where the Biden DOJ/FBI raided Trump's home looking for unclassified documents.

>>FBI Employees in Trump Mar-A-Lago Case Seek Clarity on Subpoenas in Florida 'Grand Conspiracy' Probe

https://tinyurl.com/4mmmzm5w

All the way to the F B I

Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 02:52 PM (viF8m)

71 “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Eh, good enough for a movie but not reality. English history of law in the last millennia indicates that there is an ebb and flow to law and judges' power and I think our judges (and those in the rest of teh Western World) are about to find that their salad days of running amuck are ending.

Law does best in a stable atmosphere where everyone agrees on the groundrules and the limited nature of the game.

Revolutionary atmosphere is always destructive of the law (by destroying predictability and stability) whether you are discussing the trial of Dreyfus, Nuremberg, or other instances where law was applied to social and regime crises.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:52 PM (E4rtv)

72 71 Eh, good enough for a movie but not reality. English history of law in the last millennia indicates that there is an ebb and flow to law and judges' power and I think our judges (and those in the rest of teh Western World) are about to find that their salad days of running amuck are ending.

Law does best in a stable atmosphere where everyone agrees on the groundrules and the limited nature of the game.

Revolutionary atmosphere is always destructive of the law (by destroying predictability and stability) whether you are discussing the trial of Dreyfus, Nuremberg, or other instances where law was applied to social and regime crises.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:52 PM (E4rtv)

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Robert Bolt was also a dirty commie who made Thomas More about the blacklist.

Still, it's a good speech.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:53 PM (42WUB)

73 I have to go paste tp rolls together for 10 hours.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 05, 2026 02:54 PM (1ikK2)

74 I have a solution"

Me too.

/Vlad

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 02:54 PM (+imBs)

75 I keep coming back to one question no one in Congress or the Admin seems to want to address.

These were Subpoenas signed off by a Judge. The JUDGE is the one who is supposed to decide whether that document is justified... or not...

Thus the Judge who signed off on these was complicit... and I want them to start naming Names so THEY can be sued.... as it was clearly a dereliction of their Duty as a Judge, to not question all this crap.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (mP0Kj)

76 Was watching the Angry Cop vid...he's talking about Cornell Ho snorting ketamine off a frat dong, and it's interrupted by a commercial for Johnsonville sausages...

I saw Frat Dong open for Helmet at the Superdome in Nawlins in 1992.

Posted by: Trojan Man at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (Al3kG)

77 70 I know some, ok almost all, of you don't believe it but there really is a grand jury in Florida, the place where the Biden DOJ/FBI raided Trump's home looking for unclassified documents.

>>FBI Employees in Trump Mar-A-Lago Case Seek Clarity on Subpoenas in Florida 'Grand Conspiracy' Probe

https://tinyurl.com/4mmmzm5w

All the way to the F B I
Posted by: JackStraw

Judge Cannon rejected teh FBI employees after that story. They are going to have to testify or claim teh 5th. And that can be breached by grants of immunity from the grand jury from partial to complete. Not testifying after being granted immunity, they can be held to civil (without a trial for up to a year (see Susan McDougal) or criminal contempt where they have a trial and conviction results in a felony stay at Club Fed.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (E4rtv)

78 "Two agents' notes are attached to the memo, but they are entirely blank except for the date of the meeting, the location, Brennan's name and the government attendees."
===

Brennan was a "former" DCI at that point.

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (rj6Yv)

79 I have a solution"

Me too.

/Vlad

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 02:54 PM (+imBs)

There are plenty to go around.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (dK+Kv)

80 Indictments, or this is just empty political theater.

Posted by: toddg at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (ceFtv)

81
Lawfare Incorporated will protect him to the hilt because otherwise, a desperate Jack might turn on them
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:48 PM

How do we punish these malefactors?

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 05, 2026 02:56 PM (kg+tO)

82 As time goes on it becomes more and more accurate to say that the Democrat party, the intelligence community, the FBI, and the fake news media we're engaged in destroying candidate Trump's campaign, overthrowing president Donald Trump first administration, then, when those first two efforts barely failed, they went all in on persecuting him with the goal of putting him in federal prison for the rest of his life and stripping him of his wealth. These efforts still are ongoing and the second the Democrats get back in power they will be after him balls to the walls again. As he has noted time and time again all that stands between the Democrats rolling out this program on the rest of us is him. What the Democrats andcompany engaged in was nothing less than a coup.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram - My president has convictions. at October 05, 2026 02:56 PM (VyD10)

83 >>Qeustion: Does the statute of limitations start from when the crime is committed? Or from when the crime is discovered?

The statute of limitations in a conspiracy case begins the moment of the last act in the conspiracy occurs.

When would you say the last act in the conspiracy to deprive Trump of his civil rights occurred?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 02:57 PM (viF8m)

84 whether you are discussing the trial of Dreyfus, Nuremberg, or other instances where law was applied to social and regime crises."

1930s Spain...

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 02:57 PM (+imBs)

85 80 Indictments, or this is just empty political theater.

Posted by: toddg at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (ceFtv)

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Would need a grand jury for that.

And, what do you know...there's one empaneled about all of this in session since January in Fort Pierce, FL.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:57 PM (42WUB)

86 Keep in mind, the plan was:
- convict Trump, lifetime gag order, seize all Trump/Trump Inc. assets.
- Kill Trump if the prosecution failed
- Arrest all Trump family involved in politics
- Arrest all major Republicans
- Arrest any conservative writers or leaders who speak out

This would have given them a super majority in Congress and the Presidency.

A complete communist coup of the US.
Without a shot fired.
And the courts were willing, eager confederates.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 05, 2026 02:57 PM (3cUTc)

87 What the Democrats andcompany engaged in was nothing less than a coup.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram - My president has convictions. at October 05, 2026 02:56 PM (VyD10)

This is the only rational, clear-thinking conclusion.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (dK+Kv)

88 I have to go paste tp rolls together for 10 hours.
Posted by: Boss Moss

Are you Mr Whipple?

Posted by: Karen McProsecutor at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (j+8bz)

89 These were Subpoenas signed off by a Judge. The JUDGE is the one who is supposed to decide whether that document is justified... or not...

Thus the Judge who signed off on these was complicit... and I want them to start naming Names so THEY can be sued.... as it was clearly a dereliction of their Duty as a Judge, to not question all this crap.
Posted by: Romeo13

Judge Beryl Howell and Judge Boasberg for starters. Howell approved a lot of the Jack Smith DC fishing expedition for example. Boasberg is up to his neck in Russia Russia. Several DC judges were involved in the Jan 6 witchhunt. Whole district needs to be abolished and judges apportioned to Maryland and Virginia districts.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (E4rtv)

90 Was watching the Angry Cop vid...he's talking about Cornell Ho snorting ketamine off a frat dong, and it's interrupted by a commercial for Johnsonville sausages...

I saw Frat Dong open for Helmet at the Superdome in Nawlins in 1992.
Posted by: Trojan Man at October 05, 2026 02:55 PM (Al3kG)

With Special Musical Guest, The Danglers?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (wVcYX)

91 Cornell Ho"

Sum Ting Wong?

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (+imBs)

92 Revolutionary atmosphere is always destructive of the law (by destroying predictability and stability) whether you are discussing the trial of Dreyfus, Nuremberg, or other instances where law was applied to social and regime crises.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 02:52 PM (E4rtv)

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Robert Bolt was also a dirty commie who made Thomas More about the blacklist.

Still, it's a good speech.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:53 PM (42WUB)
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I think it would be a reasonable position to state that Henry VIII was the most revolutionary monarch since Charlamagne.

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (rj6Yv)

93 86 Keep in mind, the plan was:
- convict Trump, lifetime gag order, seize all Trump/Trump Inc. assets.
- Kill Trump if the prosecution failed
- Arrest all Trump family involved in politics
- Arrest all major Republicans
- Arrest any conservative writers or leaders who speak out

This would have given them a super majority in Congress and the Presidency.

A complete communist coup of the US.
Without a shot fired.
And the courts were willing, eager confederates.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 05, 2026 02:57 PM (3cUTc)

Well, the attempted assassinations would be shots fired...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (l3cgK)

94 What the Democrats andcompany engaged in was nothing less than a coup.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram - My president has convictions. at October 05, 2026 02:56 PM (VyD10)

Then we'd have to have a real J6, not just an dem-run larpsurrection.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:59 PM (dK+Kv)

95 A serious country would black bag this asshole and PDJT would have an envelop with broad-spectrum no-specifics pardons to snake eaters who would Omega these traitors.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 05, 2026 02:59 PM (KhyP1)

96 91 Cornell Ho"

Sum Ting Wong?

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 02:58 PM (+imBs)

Tiu Many Dong

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 02:59 PM (l3cgK)

97 Why is he not in prison?

Posted by: Huxley Orwell at October 05, 2026 02:59 PM (j3Fsw)

98 The statute of limitations in a conspiracy case begins the moment of the last act in the conspiracy occurs.

When would you say the last act in the conspiracy to deprive Trump of his civil rights occurred?
Posted by: JackStraw
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It gets really complicated in conspiracy cases but you are correct in theory but in application, it depends on case law and the particular charges levied. Plus the jury determinations both grand and petit.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 03:00 PM (E4rtv)

99 These efforts still are ongoing and the second the Democrats get back in power they will be after him balls to the walls again. As he has noted time and time again all that stands between the Democrats rolling out this program on the rest of us is him. What the Democrats andcompany engaged in was nothing less than a coup.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram - My president has convictions. at October 05, 2026 02:56 PM (VyD10)
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Concur.

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2026 03:00 PM (rj6Yv)

100 I think it would be a reasonable position to state that Henry VIII was the most revolutionary monarch since Charlamagne.
Posted by: mrp
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At least regarding church-state relationship. John Lackland was revolutionary in the effect he had on medieval England in reaction to him which put the kibosh on divine rights of kings in England until the Stuarts were stupid enough to raise the banner again.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (E4rtv)

101 Was watching the Angry Cop vid...he's talking about Cornell Ho snorting ketamine off a frat dong, and it's interrupted by a commercial for Johnsonville sausages...

I gave up on that Angry Cop video because the pornographic descriptions of pure debauchery and depraved sexual deviancy was beyond my ability to stomach.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (KhyP1)

102 38 "Everything Jack Smith did was legal and upright. I am instructing my DOJ to perform in the exact same manner when investigating Democrat criminality."
-Donald Trump

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 05, 2026 02:44 PM (42WUB)
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A good start.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _' at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (2UA/a)

103 I can't understand why "Hitler/Trump" has not eliminated all these enemies of his. Or at least put them in some sort of camp. Trump is failing at the Hitler Game.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (vbXSk)

104 And the courts were willing, eager confederates.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Courts standing up for what is right is actually the exception to the rule. See the curious career of Lord Coke in England. Even famed Justice John Marshall met his match with Andy Jackson--"The Supreme Court has made its decision and now let us see them enforce it. "

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 03:04 PM (E4rtv)

105 But muh normz right?

Posted by: ... at October 05, 2026 03:05 PM (FnbEu)

106 When would you say the last act in the conspiracy to deprive Trump of his civil rights occurred?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 02:57 PM (viF8m)

Maybe when he leaves office THIS time...

or maybe... at his funeral. The left HATES him, and will see him destroyed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2026 03:05 PM (mP0Kj)

107 Willowed:
Was watching the Angry Cop vid...he's talking about Cornell Ho snorting ketamine off a frat dong, and it's interrupted by a commercial for Johnsonville sausages...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 02:51 PM (l3cgK)
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As more of the original transcript(s) and facts come out, it seems that calling what happened a "threesome" is over-selling it. I'm not sure any actual sex beyond drunken fondling took place.

The guys were so blasted with booze and drugs they hardly knew what planet they were on. In the first "threesome," one guy literally passed out cold, and the other starting puking.

Is it possible two guys in this condition could have had actual intercourse? Maybe, maybe not.

The later "threesomes" seem mostly rando guys doing blow off her naked body.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (iFTx/)

108 103 I can't understand why "Hitler/Trump" has not eliminated all these enemies of his. Or at least put them in some sort of camp. Trump is failing at the Hitler Game.
Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (vbXSk)

I know... Worst Tyrant Evah!

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (mP0Kj)

109 The coverup of a conspiracy continues to toll the Statute of Limitations. It could be argued that the Dems continuing obstruction continues the toll

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (ofacb)

110 Then we'd have to have a real J6, not just an dem-run larpsurrection.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 05, 2026 02:59 PM (dK+Kv)

You know who else liked to larp erections?

Posted by: ... at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (FnbEu)

111 or maybe... at his funeral. The left HATES him, and will see him destroyed.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2026 03:05 PM

Like Cromwell, they will exhume and hang his corpse if they get back in power.

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (4NO2D)

112 >>It gets really complicated in conspiracy cases but you are correct in theory but in application, it depends on case law and the particular charges levied. Plus the jury determinations both grand and petit.

Probably one of the reasons it's taking so long. That and the fact this is a real case not made up bullshit in front of a leftist judge and it involves some of the previously most powerful people in the country with deep pockets and teams of lawyers throwing every speck of sand on the beach into the gears to slow it down.

The empaneling of the Florida grand jury was first announced nearly a year ago. There's been very little reporting on it because it's about Democrats running a conspiracy against Trump, and us, and Democrats as a rule don't like to tell the truth when it involves other Democrats. But it really is happening.

What will come of it is impossible to know. But Judge Cannon hates Jack Smith and company at least as much as we do.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 03:07 PM (viF8m)

113 Damn it. That should have said you know who else larps erections. Nevermind time to go die

Posted by: ... at October 05, 2026 03:07 PM (FnbEu)

114 "The Supreme Court has made its decision and now let us see them enforce it. "

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQSjV4DZ-Gg

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _' at October 05, 2026 03:08 PM (2UA/a)

115 Cornell, Duke LaCrosse - their playbook is getting - stale. Obviously rolled out to incite the Looney Base.

Posted by: tubal at October 05, 2026 03:08 PM (Gqar8)

116 Critical Drinker reviews Digger as an absolute mess of a story but Cruise was great. CD said he'd probably never watch it again, but it was definitely different

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 05, 2026 03:08 PM (ofacb)

117 Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (iFTx/)

The vid has quotes from the DA response to the Civil Suit, said response having direct quotes from her statement to police a few weeks after the incident.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (l3cgK)

118 How do we punish these malefactors?

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 05, 2026 02:56 PM (kg+tO)

You're gonna want to sit down for this one, probably pack a lunch.

Posted by: ... at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (FnbEu)

119 I gave up on that Angry Cop video because the pornographic descriptions of pure debauchery and depraved sexual deviancy was beyond my ability to stomach.
Posted by: Community Notes at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (KhyP1)

I don't know. I found it a real turn on!!

Posted by: Tiffiny Tif McTiffiny Future porn star at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (hmYU4)

120 95 A serious country would black bag this asshole and PDJT would have an envelop with broad-spectrum no-specifics pardons to snake eaters who would Omega these traitors.
Posted by: Community Notes
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When do you want your civil war--now or later is the question. We cannot let the leftists back in power because they have already shown what they will do and plan to do. But, we cannot, like Lincoln faced, preemptively strike lest the very thing we are trying to avoid starts immediately.

This is the question for the West--can the left accept losing political power via peaceable elections and can they be bound from acting to destroy their political opponents literally if they regain power.

I think the answer is probably no in both instances so that leaves the awful choice up to the rest of us sane individuals in society.

For all his virtues, I don't think Trump wants to go down as Lincoln domestically nor Caesar crossing the Rubicon. So that punts the decision to 2028 or thereabouts. Prepare wisely in this time allotted.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (E4rtv)

121 What will come of it is impossible to know. But Judge Cannon hates Jack Smith and company at least as much as we do.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 03:07 PM (viF8m)
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Every upper-middle class gal has an underwear drawer.

Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (rj6Yv)

122 111 or maybe... at his funeral. The left HATES him, and will see him destroyed.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 05, 2026 03:05 PM

Like Cromwell, they will exhume and hang his corpse if they get back in power.

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (4NO2D)

At least one pope was done that way as well...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (l3cgK)

123 You got to give the rat bastard his due: Jack Smith openly , to this day, seeks to be the first recipient of the Hero of the Soviet Revolution Medal
--- in the DSA ruled USA.
Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at October 05, 2026 02:49 PM (eqGud)

You got one detail wrong: when the DSA takes over, it will be the USSA, the United Socialist States of America. You heard it here first.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 05, 2026 03:10 PM (nHcc1)

124 Jack Smith was just the first test to see what they could get away with while intimidating the opposition.

If the Dems regain the White House and Congress come 2028, I expect we’ll be seeing teams of Jack Smiths running around DC and across the country looking for Nazi Trump supporters to persecute.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 05, 2026 03:10 PM (6ydKt)

125 Smith's eventual defense:

"Look...I didn't even qualify to be a Special Counsel under DOJ policy. Therefore, I'm not responsible for what I may have , or may not have done while performing in that position."

Posted by: Orson at October 05, 2026 03:11 PM (dIske)

126 109 The coverup of a conspiracy continues to toll the Statute of Limitations. It could be argued that the Dems continuing obstruction continues the toll
Posted by: Smell the Glove

The Democrats are relying on the sheer volume (just like with illegals) making it impossible to limit the charges because almost everyone in the Democrat hierarchy is guilty in some way of furthering the conspiracy.

It is a leftist strategy like riots, etc. to make the lawbreaking so extensive that the perps cannot be prosecuted lest civil unrest break out and possibly a civil war. This is the end game of color revolutions and coups--"They can't arrest/shoot us all!"

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 03:12 PM (E4rtv)

127 By the way, former CIA Director and lifelong scumbag John Brennan, is scheduled to testify before the Fort Pierce grand jury on October 15th.

Not willingly. He was subpoenaed.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 03:12 PM (viF8m)

128 Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 05, 2026 03:06 PM (iFTx/)

The vid has quotes from the DA response to the Civil Suit, said response having direct quotes from her statement to police a few weeks after the incident.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (l3cgK)
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Yea, I know. I also have the complaint. She alleges actual intercourse, but it's very vague. There's also a lot of just laying naked on a bed surrounded by guys.

Nobody involved in the entire affair seemed physical capable of much of anything.

In the complaint, she also takes the contradictory position that she didn't remember anything -- thus trying to explain away her long delay in reporting the incident -- and only learned about it through the inevitable campus gossip.

Her initial statement and the complaint are incompatible. They might as well describe two different nights.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 05, 2026 03:13 PM (iFTx/)

129 "Plasmic Echo" sounds like something bored housewives would order from Gwyneth Paltrow's scam site.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 05, 2026 03:13 PM (2ocoG)

130 Prepare wisely in this time allotted."

Short version:

Buy ammo.

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 03:13 PM (+imBs)

131 This is the question for the West--can the left accept losing political power via peaceable elections and can they be bound from acting to destroy their political opponents literally if they regain power.

I think the answer is probably no in both instances so that leaves the awful choice up to the rest of us sane individuals in society.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2026 03:09 PM (E4rtv)

They want to turn the U.S. into Latin America where each administration must pardon itself preemptively and go into exile to prevent being prosecuted and jailed by the Communists for ‘corruption’ when they take office.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 05, 2026 03:14 PM (6ydKt)

132 101 Was watching the Angry Cop vid...he's talking about Cornell Ho snorting ketamine off a frat dong, and it's interrupted by a commercial for Johnsonville sausages...

I gave up on that Angry Cop video because the pornographic descriptions of pure debauchery and depraved sexual deviancy was beyond my ability to stomach.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 05, 2026 03:02 PM (KhyP1)

Not the worst thing I ever read. Read a book on serial killers, and they had the case in NM of the guy and his gf who kidnapped, sexually assaulted (over long periods of time) and murdered young women. What a survivor told police...stuff of nightmares.
David Parker Ray, known as the "Toy Box Killer." DON'T LOOK IT UP IF YOU'RE SQUEAMISH.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 05, 2026 03:14 PM (l3cgK)

133 OPSEC

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 05, 2026 03:14 PM (j+8bz)

134 Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

The Shadow do.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 05, 2026 03:15 PM (viF8m)

135 OPSEC
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 05, 2026 03:14 PM

I don't even know you guys.

Posted by: toby928(c) at October 05, 2026 03:15 PM (4NO2D)

136 They might as well describe two different nights."

More guys to sue!

Posted by: man at October 05, 2026 03:15 PM (+imBs)

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