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In 2027, Trump's Department of Education Will Begin Limiting Government Loans for "Students" In No-Hope Majors
I voted for this.
Sounds good, but it's a very limited first step. The new rule will mostly go after for-profit private "schools" teaching skills like cosmetology. Supposedly non-profit colleges and universities, where the bulk of educational fraud occurs, will mostly be untouched. But one can hope.If your degree doesn't pay enough, you can't borrow. Federal loans cut for low-wage programs College students pursuing majors, advanced degrees or certifications in fields that consistently earn low incomes will no longer be able to take out federal loans to pay for their schooling under new Trump administration rules. Many of the degree programs that educate social workers, artists, teacher aides and especially certification programs for barbers and nail technicians are likely to fail a new federal litmus test: Will they make more money upon graduation than if they never enrolled in the first place?I can't believe this is even controversial.
Those are rookie numbers. We need to get that up to 50%. But maybe this is the "foot in the door" to achieve a more sane policy.
The new federal rule, finalized this month by the Education Department, comes amid a national crisis in student loan defaults -- and is part of a larger effort to ensure a college degree or professional certification serves as an avenue for economic advancement rather than a debt trap. It has also provoked debate over whether the mission of higher education -- and help paying for it -- should be tied to a paycheck after graduation. But unlike other aspects of the administration's education actions, the new policy has relatively broad support, with some student advocates saying it should be tougher. The Education Department hasn't yet calculated the final data against which institutions will be judged, leaving uncertainty on exactly what programs will face consequences. The vast majority of bachelor's and advanced degree programs at public and nonprofit colleges and universities are expected to be safe, with about 3% expected to fail, according to the department's estimates.
We need to greatly expand the rule to cover the Fake Majors at "real" colleges. These students will never be able to pay their loans back, because the "fields" they're "studying" have no economic use and therefore they will get a degree to become a low-paid barista. Then the taxpayer will have to absorb the loss of the never-repaid loan. They write it off, Jerry. They just write it off. Another benefit is that many of these "majors" are actually just training to become bitter revolutionaries. Many "subjects" taught in college now are just Marxist agitation towards chaos and tumult. Far from being a benefit to society, these fields train "students" to undermine and attack society. And these Fake Majors contribute to the growing problem of what is called "the overproduction of elites," though I reject the word "elites" here. Scholars have noted that societies become unstable and violent when universities produce too many "elites" -- I would call them "aspirants to the elite," because they're failed would-be elites, not actual elites. People get degrees with the belief that they're tickets to an upper-class lifestyle and find out that they're not qualified for any job with an upper-class salary, or even a middle-class salary. They become savagely bitter and attack society itself, animated not only by the ideological tenets of Marxism but overpowering rage at a system that has "failed" them. Maybe it was designed to do just this. The system is rigged to produce millions of useless-but-entitled, bitter, angry Democrat Socialists. Medical schools strictly limit how many students are allowed into an actually necessary field which really is a ticket to the upper levels of the upper class. Medical schools make sure there is no overproduction of doctors. (Though many believe that they have become an unreasonably restrictive cartel, under-producing doctors to make sure that every doctor, no matter how unskilled, becomes wealthy.) If medical schools do this, why don't colleges also limit how many students enroll in African America Experiences In Media? Why do they not try to limit how many very-important Feminist Critiques of Macho Culture in Gay Communities "scholars" are produced? Since they won't limit the number of "elites" going into these fields, the government will just have to limit how much public money is loaned out to students in these no-hope, Barista Prep fields.
However, about 33% of programs at for-profit schools are expected to fail. Overall, 4.2% of students who receive federal loans or grants are enrolled in programs expected to fail the new benchmark, according to the Education Department. An estimated 5.2% of programs overall may fail, but not all students take out federal loans. "For the first time in a very long time ... institutions and college leaders are going to be held accountable," said Michael Itzkowitz, president of the education research organization HEA Group. "They are going to start looking and paying more attention to economic outcomes than they ever have before."
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Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 29, 2026 12:23 PM (CWTWj)
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It's a start.
Posted by: Turn 2 at September 29, 2026 12:23 PM (QFchU)
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someone else noodled though
Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 29, 2026 12:24 PM (CWTWj)
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Just get the govt OUT of the student loan biz altogether. Easy peasy. One less thing govt can fuck up.
Posted by: gp at September 29, 2026 12:24 PM (Jr5Lq)
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what if - now hear me out - what if getting a credential were actually difficult, requiring work, intellect, and planning?
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:25 PM (j+aD2)
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I always wondered how gender studies majors were supposed to pay their loans. I didn't think they could make enough at Starbucks.
Posted by: huerfano at September 29, 2026 12:25 PM (2Xqig)
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However, about 33% of programs at for-profit schools are expected to fail.
If 1/3 of your curriculum is predicated on students not being able to get decent jobs after giving you hundreds of thousands of dollars, you're not running a school. You're running a predatory lending establishment backed by the 'full faith and credit' of the Government and should get crushed out of the market.
Buh-bye!
If 1/3 of your curriculum is predicated on students not being able to get decent jobs after giving you hundreds of thousands of dollars, you're not running a school. You're running a predatory lending establishment backed by the 'full faith and credit' of the Government and should get crushed out of the market.
Buh-bye!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 29, 2026 12:25 PM (gLYp7)
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I am told, on X, that the correct solution is to just pay people with those degrees more, or to just make going to college cheaper.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:26 PM (ExV1e)
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The sad part is: this should not even be necessary if the kids were brought up to think.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 29, 2026 12:26 PM (Y/06r)
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It’d be better to get the fed gov out of student loans altogether.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 29, 2026 12:26 PM (u73oe)
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I can't believe this is even controversial.
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Normal thing exists.
Left freaks out.
Normal thing is now controversial.
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Normal thing exists.
Left freaks out.
Normal thing is now controversial.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (I7axw)
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HA-ha!
Posted by: zombie at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (Av6i5)
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i'd bet there would have been plenty of jobs for the gender studies crowd if hillary had won
Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (CWTWj)
Posted by: Hunter Bidet at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (JzT2t)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (2Ez/1)
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:28 PM (0Htd1)
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Just get the govt OUT of the student loan biz altogether. Easy peasy. One less thing govt can fuck up.
Posted by: gp at September 29, 2026 12:24 PM (Jr5Lq)
The problem with this idea is that it would require rational action by Congress.
Posted by: gp at September 29, 2026 12:24 PM (Jr5Lq)
The problem with this idea is that it would require rational action by Congress.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:28 PM (ExV1e)
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Scholars have noted that societies become unstable and violent when universities produce too many "elites" -- I would call them "aspirants to the elite," because they're failed would-be elites, not actual elites.
They're not going into these fields with the expectation that someone other than government, an NGO, or a university will pay them, they're going into them for the cachet of an advanced degree. They go in to them because despite the fact that they don't really know what else to do, they're convinced they're uniquely suited to running the lives of the rest of us.
You're welcome to go that route, but don't ask me to pay for it.
I got a stipend in grad school, because my skills were saleable and they wanted people to still sign up for lots more schooling. Nobody needs a grad student in the fields being chopped. If they did, those grad students wouldn't need loans.
They're not going into these fields with the expectation that someone other than government, an NGO, or a university will pay them, they're going into them for the cachet of an advanced degree. They go in to them because despite the fact that they don't really know what else to do, they're convinced they're uniquely suited to running the lives of the rest of us.
You're welcome to go that route, but don't ask me to pay for it.
I got a stipend in grad school, because my skills were saleable and they wanted people to still sign up for lots more schooling. Nobody needs a grad student in the fields being chopped. If they did, those grad students wouldn't need loans.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (Riz8t)
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For those of you in Rio Linda - this means...
Bang for your buck.
Return on investment.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
What other easy to understand ones did I miss??
Bang for your buck.
Return on investment.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
What other easy to understand ones did I miss??
Posted by: Doof at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (ZV+zn)
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The whole system is stupid. There are tons of cheap community colleges, public schools and branch campuses that can educate all the lower wage degrees. But those schools are not cool, so somehow, the taxpayers should be on the hook for 400k to produce a kindergarten teacher.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (wrEn7)
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Overall, 4.2% of students who receive federal loans or grants are enrolled in programs expected to fail the new benchmark, according to the Education Department. An estimated 5.2% of programs overall may fail, but not all students take out federal loans.
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I'm looking forward to the lamentations of the sophomores who had their first two years paid for suddenly faced with having to pay much higher rates in private loans to continue gender studies education, dropping out, or changing majors to something more useful.
Should provide some fun crying in cars TikToks.
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I'm looking forward to the lamentations of the sophomores who had their first two years paid for suddenly faced with having to pay much higher rates in private loans to continue gender studies education, dropping out, or changing majors to something more useful.
Should provide some fun crying in cars TikToks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (I7axw)
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Good Noon, ace!
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (wVcYX)
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Decades overdue.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (BAWkL)
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This bothers me at one level, because colleges and universities are not glorified trade schools. They are not an expensive way to get a job. They are supposed to teach people to be better citizens and better leaders for the future. If all you use a college for is to get a job you're an idiot who wasted sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars
At the same time, I do like to see these institutions pressured to end these asinine degrees and end the mill that pushes people into utter crap education.
At the same time, I do like to see these institutions pressured to end these asinine degrees and end the mill that pushes people into utter crap education.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (nIKjK)
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But if I don't use my Eskimo Lesbian indigenous knowledge to weave underwater baskets for orphans in Palestine, then who will?
Posted by: zombie at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (Av6i5)
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Wait a minute… I can’t get a government loan to pursue me degree in underwater transvestite hierarchies of oppression?? That is discrimination; I feel very unsafe
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (Dkvax)
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I was waiting for the page to load saying out loud "Please be good news. Please be good news."
ace delivered.
Thank you.
Next up should be all of the certification bodies. You shouldn't need a license to braid hair.
ace delivered.
Thank you.
Next up should be all of the certification bodies. You shouldn't need a license to braid hair.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 105 years old - puppy at heart at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (Sco7b)
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Normal thing exists.
Left freaks out.
Normal thing is now controversial.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (I7axw)
Only because they're willing to kill people for disagreeing.
Otherwise no company, business, school, or other establishment would give one wet shit what the crazy lefties say on the BlueSky.
But they have to care because any one of these decisions to cow or not cow to a demand could literally be life or death. And there's no telling which is which because the left isn't consistent on any position. Ever. It's pure will to power all the time.
Left freaks out.
Normal thing is now controversial.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:27 PM (I7axw)
Only because they're willing to kill people for disagreeing.
Otherwise no company, business, school, or other establishment would give one wet shit what the crazy lefties say on the BlueSky.
But they have to care because any one of these decisions to cow or not cow to a demand could literally be life or death. And there's no telling which is which because the left isn't consistent on any position. Ever. It's pure will to power all the time.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 29, 2026 12:30 PM (gLYp7)
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26 Wait a minute… I can’t get a government loan to pursue me degree in underwater transvestite hierarchies of oppression?? That is discrimination; I feel very unsafe
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (Dkvax)
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Should probably renounce your citizenship and flee for your life!
$450, and you don't have to deal with Americans ever again.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (Dkvax)
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Should probably renounce your citizenship and flee for your life!
$450, and you don't have to deal with Americans ever again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:30 PM (I7axw)
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I can't believe this is even controversial.
As defined by leftists, "controversial" means "anything 90% of America is in favor of but I oppose."
As defined by leftists, "controversial" means "anything 90% of America is in favor of but I oppose."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2026 12:30 PM (/C5Rl)
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If 1/3 of your curriculum is predicated on students not being able to get decent jobs after giving you hundreds of thousands of dollars, you're not running a school. You're running a predatory lending establishment backed by the 'full faith and credit' of the Government and should get crushed out of the market.
The same people crying about the prospect of no longer funding these predatory lending establishments with tax dollars are the same ones who think paycheck stores and pawn shops in poor neighborhoods should be banned.
The same people crying about the prospect of no longer funding these predatory lending establishments with tax dollars are the same ones who think paycheck stores and pawn shops in poor neighborhoods should be banned.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (Riz8t)
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The reaction of the left on social media is kind of funny about this. WE NEED ART! our SOCIETY IS DOOMED IF YOU END FUNDING ART DEGREES!
Yeah, because nobody can be an artist without a degree LOL
Yeah, because nobody can be an artist without a degree LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (nIKjK)
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I'm of two minds about this. Yes, the college loan program is a filthy racket and scam and should be nuked from space. It's basically a massive wealth transfer from taxpayers to colleges. It should be burned and salted.
But ... every one of these idiots signing up for $100k in student loans for some useless, wipe-your-ass-with-it degree knows what they are doing, or should know. Why should I care that these idiots are sabotaging their own future? Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Plus: I've no doubt that the vast majority of these idiots are leftwing creeps and commie fucknuggets. Why should I care that my political enemies are destroying themselves? If anything, I should want more of these idiots to fail.
But ... every one of these idiots signing up for $100k in student loans for some useless, wipe-your-ass-with-it degree knows what they are doing, or should know. Why should I care that these idiots are sabotaging their own future? Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Plus: I've no doubt that the vast majority of these idiots are leftwing creeps and commie fucknuggets. Why should I care that my political enemies are destroying themselves? If anything, I should want more of these idiots to fail.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (iFTx/)
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This bothers me at one level, because colleges and universities are not glorified trade schools. They are not an expensive way to get a job.
They are now. You're welcome. -- SCOTUS
They are now. You're welcome. -- SCOTUS
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (ExV1e)
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Fries in the Bag 101
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (2GVsD)
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At the very least, I really think the BBB should have just eliminated any kind of government graduate school loans, period.
Remember, all of this federalized under Obama, why not just pull all of it?
Every election cycle Dems will promise student loan forgiveness and that promise has a big audience.
Remember, all of this federalized under Obama, why not just pull all of it?
Every election cycle Dems will promise student loan forgiveness and that promise has a big audience.
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (dVLbm)
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'Another benefit is that many of these "majors" are actually just training to become bitter revolutionaries. Many "subjects" taught in college now are just Marxist agitation towards chaos and tumult. Far from being a benefit to society, these fields train "students" to undermine and attack society.'
But look how organized our communities are!
But look how organized our communities are!
Posted by: Bilwis - Wizard of Clwyd at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (r7+Q7)
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Medical schools strictly limit how many students are allowed into an actually necessary field which really is a ticket to the upper levels of the upper class. Medical schools make sure there is no overproduction of doctors.
Over the weekend there was a story that a hospital system in Rochester NY hired 86 new doctors and nurses, 80 of whom were H1B Indians and Pakis.
Over the weekend there was a story that a hospital system in Rochester NY hired 86 new doctors and nurses, 80 of whom were H1B Indians and Pakis.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (2ocoG)
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Cosmotology is actually a useful profession. (Almost) everyone needs to get their haircut. Maybe I am missing something.
Posted by: Martin Tell at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (sFNX2)
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From downstairs;
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You cannot argue that driving is a human right, but you can argue that we have the basic human rights to liberty and property and from that the government cannot ban or unnecessarily restrict driving.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Of course.
But states seem to have been taking the position that illegals can not be denied the right to drive because it is necessary to participate in the economy, and that ties to basic human rights.
If it is justification for illegals then same for citizens. I am not looking under penumbras here, but I think we have treated driving as something the gov. can have full control of. That can be pushed back on - we have a lot of amendments that can apply here - assembly, search, religion, speech,... they all need people to participate in the economy and that should preclude unreasonable restrictions or searches while doing so.
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You cannot argue that driving is a human right, but you can argue that we have the basic human rights to liberty and property and from that the government cannot ban or unnecessarily restrict driving.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Of course.
But states seem to have been taking the position that illegals can not be denied the right to drive because it is necessary to participate in the economy, and that ties to basic human rights.
If it is justification for illegals then same for citizens. I am not looking under penumbras here, but I think we have treated driving as something the gov. can have full control of. That can be pushed back on - we have a lot of amendments that can apply here - assembly, search, religion, speech,... they all need people to participate in the economy and that should preclude unreasonable restrictions or searches while doing so.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (+UEwf)
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Are you saying that a degree in social studies won't pay rent for a $1600/month apartment?!?!
Posted by: dantesed at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (Oy/m2)
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There doesn't seem to be anything more useless that a "studies" degree. We all know what the actual intent is, and that's to cultivate victimization within that graduate and propel them to become political activists, or embed like a blood-sucking tick into state or fed gov't positions to perpetuate the entire stinking edifice.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (qBdHI)
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This is made necessary due to USAID being shut down. In the good old days, a meaningless major had a decent shot at getting a mid six figure job at an NGO.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (yixf8)
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The same people crying about the prospect of no longer funding these predatory lending establishments with tax dollars are the same ones who think paycheck stores and pawn shops in poor neighborhoods should be banned.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (Riz8t)
Weird, isn't it? When private citizens are taking advantage of people? well, we just can't abide that.
When the State is taking advantage of people, though? Know your place, peasant!
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (Riz8t)
Weird, isn't it? When private citizens are taking advantage of people? well, we just can't abide that.
When the State is taking advantage of people, though? Know your place, peasant!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (gLYp7)
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Make the universities offer and underwrite their own loans. If they have confidence that their pedagogy will graduate a productive, well-paid citizen, then it should be a sure-fire investment for them.
OTOH, if they get a lot of defaulters, it tells them that their selection process sucks, and/or that their curriculum/instruction sucks.
It puts them on the hook to achieve good results. Feedback mechanism.
OTOH, if they get a lot of defaulters, it tells them that their selection process sucks, and/or that their curriculum/instruction sucks.
It puts them on the hook to achieve good results. Feedback mechanism.
Posted by: gp at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (Jr5Lq)
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But ... every one of these idiots signing up for $100k in student loans for some useless, wipe-your-ass-with-it degree knows what they are doing, or should know. Why should I care that these idiots are sabotaging their own future? Not my circus, not my monkeys.
It's our circus in that a lot of them are the Antifa rent-a-mobs that show up where you are and burn things.
It's our circus in that a lot of them are the Antifa rent-a-mobs that show up where you are and burn things.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (2ocoG)
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The FedGov shouldn't be in the business of funding student loans.
Terrible idea and stupid policy that created one of the most ludicrous market distortions in history.
Terrible idea and stupid policy that created one of the most ludicrous market distortions in history.
Posted by: ballistic at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (oqH4h)
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For those of you keeping score at home, I'm still not tired of all the winning.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (2Ez/1)
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I am confused why a nursing degree would be part of the cuts, though
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (nIKjK)
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This bothers me at one level, because colleges and universities are not glorified trade schools. They are not an expensive way to get a job. They are supposed to teach people to be better citizens and better leaders for the future. If all you use a college for is to get a job you're an idiot who wasted sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars
At the same time, I do like to see these institutions pressured to end these asinine degrees and end the mill that pushes people into utter crap education.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (nIKjK)
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I have some sympathy for your position - but you must be qualified to be there to do that, and way too many aren't.
At the same time, I do like to see these institutions pressured to end these asinine degrees and end the mill that pushes people into utter crap education.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (nIKjK)
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I have some sympathy for your position - but you must be qualified to be there to do that, and way too many aren't.
Posted by: Black JEM at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (7/DDO)
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(Almost) everyone needs to get their haircut. Maybe I am missing something.
Posted by: Martin Tell
*sobs*
Posted by: Martin Tell
*sobs*
Posted by: Al O'Pecia at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (w9Wax)
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Since World War II we have gone from giving Veterans a deal to get educated, when a college education was still pretty rare, to Uncle Sam acting like Oprah, "everyone gets a degree!"
Turn the spigot off.
Turn the spigot off.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (2GVsD)
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Why should I care that my political enemies are destroying themselves? If anything, I should want more of these idiots to fail.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (iFTx/)
Because - eventually - you WILL spend your money to bail them all out!
- The entirety of the left, perpetually one election away from paying off all their bad choices with your fucking money.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (iFTx/)
Because - eventually - you WILL spend your money to bail them all out!
- The entirety of the left, perpetually one election away from paying off all their bad choices with your fucking money.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (gLYp7)
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Why should I care that these idiots are sabotaging their own future?
Because politicians use the never ending bitching about it for push for more socialism which affects YOUR future.
Because politicians use the never ending bitching about it for push for more socialism which affects YOUR future.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (ExV1e)
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The majors that actually make me the angriest are the ones involving the phrase "Public Policy" -- which basically meam you are studying to become a eep State bureaucrat who determines how society goes, contravening the voters' wishes. Essentially, you are a "Vanguard of the Proletariat" in training. You don't actuall get any expertise in any subject, you just learn how to boss people around without them realizing it.
Delete delete delete.
Delete delete delete.
Posted by: zombie at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (Av6i5)
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8 I am told, on X, that the correct solution is to just pay people with those degrees more, or to just make going to college cheaper.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Professors aren't going to like those pay cuts in order to make college cheaper.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Professors aren't going to like those pay cuts in order to make college cheaper.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (0Htd1)
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But ... every one of these idiots signing up for $100k in student loans for some useless, wipe-your-ass-with-it degree knows what they are doing, or should know. Why should I care that these idiots are sabotaging their own future? Not my circus, not my monkeys.
I agree that if they want to do something as manifestly stupid as go into deep debt to fund a useless degree, that's up to them and whatever idiot decides to lend them the money, as long as that money wasn't taken from me as tax dollars. It's the same as letting people build a house on a sand bar; knock yourself out, but don't expect me to reimburse you when the house falls into the ocean.
I agree that if they want to do something as manifestly stupid as go into deep debt to fund a useless degree, that's up to them and whatever idiot decides to lend them the money, as long as that money wasn't taken from me as tax dollars. It's the same as letting people build a house on a sand bar; knock yourself out, but don't expect me to reimburse you when the house falls into the ocean.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (Riz8t)
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56 8 I am told, on X, that the correct solution is to just pay people with those degrees more, or to just make going to college cheaper.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Professors aren't going to like those pay cuts in order to make college cheaper.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (0Htd1)
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"Professors?"
-2:1 admin to professor ratio on most university campuses
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Professors aren't going to like those pay cuts in order to make college cheaper.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (0Htd1)
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"Professors?"
-2:1 admin to professor ratio on most university campuses
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (I7axw)
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Oh, and next confiscate any defaults from all available endowments. Then garnish all grants involving the institution by 50% until the debt is paid. Also, send Moose and Rocco to help the University President find xer wallet.
Posted by: Bilwis - Wizard of Clwyd at September 29, 2026 12:36 PM (r7+Q7)
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>>Medical schools strictly limit how many students are allowed into an actually necessary field which really is a ticket to the upper levels of the upper class.
An MD is no longer a ticket to the upper class. The Obamacare regulations destroyed sole- and small-group medical practices. Most MDs are now employees, and now that women are becoming an increased majority of practicing doctors, they are comfortable with a 9-5 schedule.
An MD is no longer a ticket to the upper class. The Obamacare regulations destroyed sole- and small-group medical practices. Most MDs are now employees, and now that women are becoming an increased majority of practicing doctors, they are comfortable with a 9-5 schedule.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 12:36 PM (NcvvS)
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Afternoon ace.
Barky and the Dems took over student loans in 09, basically nationalizing the process. That gave the Dem run bureaucrats an opportunity to put their hands in the till. More loans for idiot majors, more opportunities for graft. Return to the banks and get government out of it
Barky and the Dems took over student loans in 09, basically nationalizing the process. That gave the Dem run bureaucrats an opportunity to put their hands in the till. More loans for idiot majors, more opportunities for graft. Return to the banks and get government out of it
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 29, 2026 12:36 PM (WyJlA)
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49 I am confused why a nursing degree would be part of the cuts, though
it probably depends. there are a lot of different types of nursing degrees. likely 1 out of 100 might be on the "chopping block" and it's something goofy.
the way the media is presenting this is completely inaccurate btw
it probably depends. there are a lot of different types of nursing degrees. likely 1 out of 100 might be on the "chopping block" and it's something goofy.
the way the media is presenting this is completely inaccurate btw
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (j+aD2)
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The screaming on X about this is absolutely epic.
It's amazing how some people can instantly pivot from "crushing student loan debt oppresses women and people of color" to "How DARE you not make loans to women and people of color for worthless degrees".
It's amazing how some people can instantly pivot from "crushing student loan debt oppresses women and people of color" to "How DARE you not make loans to women and people of color for worthless degrees".
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (aD4fx)
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I am confused why a nursing degree would be part of the cuts, though
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (nIKjK)
The cuts are per school and degree plan. Assuming that nursing is being cut anywhere, it's being cut from a really expensive and, presumably, shitty school.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (nIKjK)
The cuts are per school and degree plan. Assuming that nursing is being cut anywhere, it's being cut from a really expensive and, presumably, shitty school.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (ExV1e)
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32 The reaction of the left on social media is kind of funny about this. WE NEED ART! our SOCIETY IS DOOMED IF YOU END FUNDING ART DEGREES!
Yeah, because nobody can be an artist without a degree LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (nIKjK)
The artists might be forced to do art that people actually like- which is what they are afraid of.
This came up as a topic months ago on the art thread. Patronage is one thing, but once government funds any art you desire to make, it turns to crap.
Yeah, because nobody can be an artist without a degree LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:31 PM (nIKjK)
The artists might be forced to do art that people actually like- which is what they are afraid of.
This came up as a topic months ago on the art thread. Patronage is one thing, but once government funds any art you desire to make, it turns to crap.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (Y/06r)
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Barky and the Dems took over student loans in 09, basically nationalizing the process. That gave the Dem run bureaucrats an opportunity to put their hands in the till. More loans for idiot majors, more opportunities for graft. Return to the banks and get government out of it
exactly
AND the frosting on the fraud cake was, they could promise the kids "loan forgiveness" in return for votes! so suddenly a demo that doesn't vote much is VERY motivated to vote for Dems.
exactly
AND the frosting on the fraud cake was, they could promise the kids "loan forgiveness" in return for votes! so suddenly a demo that doesn't vote much is VERY motivated to vote for Dems.
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (j+aD2)
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But ... every one of these idiots signing up for $100k in student loans for some useless, wipe-your-ass-with-it degree knows what they are doing, or should know. Why should I care that these idiots are sabotaging their own future? Not my circus, not my monkeys.
It's our circus in that a lot of them are the Antifa rent-a-mobs that show up where you are and burn things.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (2ocoG)
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They will do that regardless. There were massive riots in this country going back 100s of years. Civil war era riots. Labor riots. Political riots.
In particular, the 1960s and 70s riots were all filthy commies and antifa types, and that was well before the student loan scam.
There will always be an underclass of layabout agitators and perverted creeps willing to take their self-hate out on the rest of the world. I don't think student loan debt has anything to do with it.
It's our circus in that a lot of them are the Antifa rent-a-mobs that show up where you are and burn things.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:33 PM (2ocoG)
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They will do that regardless. There were massive riots in this country going back 100s of years. Civil war era riots. Labor riots. Political riots.
In particular, the 1960s and 70s riots were all filthy commies and antifa types, and that was well before the student loan scam.
There will always be an underclass of layabout agitators and perverted creeps willing to take their self-hate out on the rest of the world. I don't think student loan debt has anything to do with it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (iFTx/)
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This bothers me at one level, because colleges and universities are not glorified trade schools. They are not an expensive way to get a job. They are supposed to teach people to be better citizens and better leaders for the future.
Says who? For most people at a university, that's precisely why they're there.
Says who? For most people at a university, that's precisely why they're there.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (Riz8t)
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60 An MD is no longer a ticket to the upper class. The Obamacare regulations destroyed sole- and small-group medical practices. Most MDs are now employees, and now that women are becoming an increased majority of practicing doctors, they are comfortable with a 9-5 schedule.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 12:36 PM (NcvvS)
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Nearly 40% of female physicians scale back or leave clinical practice within six years of residency (including 22.6% working part-time), compared to just 3.6% for men.
https://www.aamc.org/news/
why-women-leave-medicine
Med schools relying on women has been a giant negative for the medical profession as a going concern.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 12:36 PM (NcvvS)
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Nearly 40% of female physicians scale back or leave clinical practice within six years of residency (including 22.6% working part-time), compared to just 3.6% for men.
https://www.aamc.org/news/
why-women-leave-medicine
Med schools relying on women has been a giant negative for the medical profession as a going concern.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (I7axw)
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Was mushbrain Biden’s student loan forgiveness ever stopped? He let a lot of people off the hook
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (Dkvax)
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the way the media is presenting this is completely inaccurate btw
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (j+aD2)
NO! I shan't believe it. I shannot.
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (j+aD2)
NO! I shan't believe it. I shannot.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (Y/06r)
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This came up as a topic months ago on the art thread. Patronage is one thing, but once government funds any art you desire to make, it turns to crap.
arts funding is only for attractive people (usually males) that give amazing blow jobs.
arts funding is only for attractive people (usually males) that give amazing blow jobs.
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (j+aD2)
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Maybe, just for fun, undo Obama's nationalization of student loans. Let the market decide.
Radical, I know.
Radical, I know.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (AuLQB)
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When I attended college in the late 70's, it cost me about $500 per semester for tuition and books (not housing, etc). I can't believe how expensive it has become. The increase? It's mostly just unaccountable administration.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (l26NL)
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62 49 I am confused why a nursing degree would be part of the cuts, though
it probably depends. there are a lot of different types of nursing degrees. likely 1 out of 100 might be on the "chopping block" and it's something goofy.
the way the media is presenting this is completely inaccurate btw
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (j+aD2)
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I suspect it's specific programs at specific schools where the students have a history of not making money afterwards. Issues with the individual schools, essentially.
it probably depends. there are a lot of different types of nursing degrees. likely 1 out of 100 might be on the "chopping block" and it's something goofy.
the way the media is presenting this is completely inaccurate btw
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:37 PM (j+aD2)
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I suspect it's specific programs at specific schools where the students have a history of not making money afterwards. Issues with the individual schools, essentially.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:39 PM (I7axw)
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Just yesterday on a Judge Judy rerun, there was a 35 year old man, father of 4 children, who was supporting himself by "taking classes". Judge Judy went off on him.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:39 PM (0Htd1)
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As for medical schools - the issue is training slots, there just aren't that many more available. The H1B example is bringing in inferior medical professionals because there aren't anymore.
Most med students, for the time and expense and the school loans cost, are not going into primary care either. They want a specialty profession that will allow them to pay back their loans and get a payback for the time in training. Remember, there is 4 years of medical school and then 4 years at least in residency. Residency jobs are almost all in expensive COLA areas paying a starting wage that is less than that of a good engineering school graduate. If you go for a fellowship on top of that it is another 2 to 3 years of lower wages. You can be almost 35 before you see serious paychecks.
Most med students, for the time and expense and the school loans cost, are not going into primary care either. They want a specialty profession that will allow them to pay back their loans and get a payback for the time in training. Remember, there is 4 years of medical school and then 4 years at least in residency. Residency jobs are almost all in expensive COLA areas paying a starting wage that is less than that of a good engineering school graduate. If you go for a fellowship on top of that it is another 2 to 3 years of lower wages. You can be almost 35 before you see serious paychecks.
Posted by: Black JEM at September 29, 2026 12:39 PM (7/DDO)
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Also, I don't want to alarm you or destroy your worldviews but also consider fraud.
There's probably a good amount of people getting money, don't go to class but have living expenses paid for awhile they never intend to pay back.
Free shit is free shit...
There's probably a good amount of people getting money, don't go to class but have living expenses paid for awhile they never intend to pay back.
Free shit is free shit...
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 105 years old - puppy at heart at September 29, 2026 12:39 PM (Sco7b)
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70 Was mushbrain Biden’s student loan forgiveness ever stopped? He let a lot of people off the hook
in certain fields if you work a year or so it still gets forgiven.
this will now end.
which is A GOOD THING
and dumb colleges will close. also good.
at this point I want 70 percent to close
fuck em
(yes Im still pissed that Drexel is selling off the Academy of Natural Sciences)
in certain fields if you work a year or so it still gets forgiven.
this will now end.
which is A GOOD THING
and dumb colleges will close. also good.
at this point I want 70 percent to close
fuck em
(yes Im still pissed that Drexel is selling off the Academy of Natural Sciences)
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:39 PM (j+aD2)
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This came up as a topic months ago on the art thread. Patronage is one thing, but once government funds any art you desire to make, it turns to crap.
Look at government sponsored art from the US, Germany, or the USSR in the 1930s. Is any of it truly appealing?
Look at government sponsored art from the US, Germany, or the USSR in the 1930s. Is any of it truly appealing?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:40 PM (2GVsD)
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I know someone who got a "studies" degree. It was Biblical Studies from the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. But because of endowments, Moody doesn't charge tuition, so there are never any loans involved.
The person I'm referring to became a youth pastor.
The person I'm referring to became a youth pastor.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 29, 2026 12:40 PM (2Ez/1)
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Barky and the Dems took over student loans in 09, basically nationalizing the process. That gave the Dem run bureaucrats an opportunity to put their hands in the till. More loans for idiot majors, more opportunities for graft. Return to the banks and get government out of it
exactly
AND the frosting on the fraud cake was, they could promise the kids "loan forgiveness" in return for votes! so suddenly a demo that doesn't vote much is VERY motivated to vote for Dems.
I remember when he did it. I turned to my wife and said "this is all just the creation of another Democrat-voting special interest group". It's tough being right all the time.
exactly
AND the frosting on the fraud cake was, they could promise the kids "loan forgiveness" in return for votes! so suddenly a demo that doesn't vote much is VERY motivated to vote for Dems.
I remember when he did it. I turned to my wife and said "this is all just the creation of another Democrat-voting special interest group". It's tough being right all the time.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:40 PM (Riz8t)
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I have some sympathy for your position - but you must be qualified to be there to do that, and way too many aren't.
Yeah college was never meant and never should be for everyone. The push for the past 50 years especially by boomers that YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE OR FAIL AT LIFE was so bad and so wrong. Most people should not go to college. Most people don't need it.
Yeah college was never meant and never should be for everyone. The push for the past 50 years especially by boomers that YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE OR FAIL AT LIFE was so bad and so wrong. Most people should not go to college. Most people don't need it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (nIKjK)
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My dermatologist is a young woman, pregnant, and moving to three days a week work schedule in her last trimester. "Probably" coming back to work after her baby arrives she says, but it doesn't sound like even she believes herself.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (AuLQB)
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There's probably a good amount of people getting money, don't go to class but have living expenses paid for awhile they never intend to pay back.
you got it
you got it
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (j+aD2)
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We need these loans! I couldn't get into art school and looked what happened to me.
Posted by: A. Hitler at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (WQH6c)
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A lot of people get degrees because the Griggs decision made it the minimum standard for getting a salaried job. But that doesn't mean I should subsidize them.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (yixf8)
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But brother, what do you mean Goat Cosmetology is not a real career?!!
Posted by: Mohammed Muhamed Mohamed at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (7Q0e+)
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I never graduated after being in college for 7 years and things turned out okay.
Posted by: Senator Blutarski at September 29, 2026 12:42 PM (wVcYX)
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I also wonder about teachers
literally all the girls my daughter's age (which is young 20s) have already retired to be moms!
I think that happens A LOT. some go back after the kids are older? maybe?
literally all the girls my daughter's age (which is young 20s) have already retired to be moms!
I think that happens A LOT. some go back after the kids are older? maybe?
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:42 PM (j+aD2)
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Since World War II we have gone from giving Veterans a deal to get educated, when a college education was still pretty rare, to Uncle Sam acting like Oprah, "everyone gets a degree!"
Turn the spigot off.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (2GVsD)
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This^^^
Turn the spigot off.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:34 PM (2GVsD)
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This^^^
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (X7pZH)
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we need more male teachers, but unfortunately there's huge pressure against guys taking the job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (nIKjK)
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@32. -Christopher
WE NEED ART!
That's what they say. But what we really need is
TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE!
WE NEED ART!
That's what they say. But what we really need is
TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE!
Posted by: Case at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (9+0gc)
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Med schools relying on women has been a giant negative for the medical profession as a going concern.
My daughter is a high-powered lawyer, and faces the same dilemma, because she's ready to start a family. I think it's a good thing for companies to be more flexible, but more importantly, we as a society simply have to make it easier for women to work realistic hours. If we don't, the birthrate will continue to crash, especially among those who are the ones we most want to reproduce. Like it or not, there are some things more important that squeezing the last few hours out of your employees.
My daughter is a high-powered lawyer, and faces the same dilemma, because she's ready to start a family. I think it's a good thing for companies to be more flexible, but more importantly, we as a society simply have to make it easier for women to work realistic hours. If we don't, the birthrate will continue to crash, especially among those who are the ones we most want to reproduce. Like it or not, there are some things more important that squeezing the last few hours out of your employees.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (Riz8t)
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Professors aren't going to like those pay cuts in order to make college cheaper.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (0Htd1)
I asked someone who was advocating for free college for everyone who they were planning on enslaving to make that happen and they said I was stupid. So I said, "So you want to seize the money that I worked for to provide a benefit to you," and they said I was stupid again.
Apparently, the definition of stupid has changed recently.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (0Htd1)
I asked someone who was advocating for free college for everyone who they were planning on enslaving to make that happen and they said I was stupid. So I said, "So you want to seize the money that I worked for to provide a benefit to you," and they said I was stupid again.
Apparently, the definition of stupid has changed recently.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (ExV1e)
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94 My daughter is a high-powered lawyer, and faces the same dilemma, because she's ready to start a family. I think it's a good thing for companies to be more flexible, but more importantly, we as a society simply have to make it easier for women to work realistic hours. If we don't, the birthrate will continue to crash, especially among those who are the ones we most want to reproduce. Like it or not, there are some things more important that squeezing the last few hours out of your employees.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (Riz8t)
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Maybe it should be more culturally accepted for women to marry in their late teens/early 20s and have babies instead of spending years and potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars pursuing something that they'll just abandon after 5-10 years in the job force.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (Riz8t)
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Maybe it should be more culturally accepted for women to marry in their late teens/early 20s and have babies instead of spending years and potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars pursuing something that they'll just abandon after 5-10 years in the job force.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (I7axw)
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This is bad. Will Perfessor Squirrel have to retire to the Peanut Patch?
Posted by: *Peanuts Are Legumes, Not Nuts* at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (Fn+3X)
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The whole system is stupid. There are tons of cheap community colleges, public schools and branch campuses that can educate all the lower wage degrees....
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee
I knew a family where dad was a medical doctor. The kids did their first 2 college years at the community college, because it just makes sense.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee
I knew a family where dad was a medical doctor. The kids did their first 2 college years at the community college, because it just makes sense.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (0Htd1)
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The flip side of this is that basic, entry level office jobs should not have requirements to have a degree. I haven't done anything in my "career" that should have required a degree, yet all of my positions have required it.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 29, 2026 12:46 PM (zYpTz)
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I always wondered how gender studies majors were supposed to pay their loans. I didn't think they could make enough at Starbucks.
Posted by: huerfano
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By any chance, do you remember the lovely Edith Macias who stole a guy's Maga hat at UC Riverside because it was upsetting her? "We're gonna get rid of all y'all!" she yelled at him. Minor sidenote, her mother was an illegal alien.
It was during Trump's first term and sure enough.She was one of those "studies" majors. Latin-American studies, women's studies, Latin-American women studies.I can't remember but what difference does it make?
She later wound up failing to get into some subsidized art program at the university of arizona because her shitty agendized artwork wasn't selling. She and her lesbian partner had put up a gofundme so they could pay rent.
Posted by: huerfano
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By any chance, do you remember the lovely Edith Macias who stole a guy's Maga hat at UC Riverside because it was upsetting her? "We're gonna get rid of all y'all!" she yelled at him. Minor sidenote, her mother was an illegal alien.
It was during Trump's first term and sure enough.She was one of those "studies" majors. Latin-American studies, women's studies, Latin-American women studies.I can't remember but what difference does it make?
She later wound up failing to get into some subsidized art program at the university of arizona because her shitty agendized artwork wasn't selling. She and her lesbian partner had put up a gofundme so they could pay rent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 12:46 PM (mmrXZ)
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> Most people should not go to college. Most people don't need it.
I know it's popular to say most people should get a trade, but have you guys talked with older tradesmen? Many of them will tell you NOT to go into their trade. Often they'll tell you their body is destroyed and the prospects are grim.
I know it's popular to say most people should get a trade, but have you guys talked with older tradesmen? Many of them will tell you NOT to go into their trade. Often they'll tell you their body is destroyed and the prospects are grim.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 29, 2026 12:46 PM (mkw2N)
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Am I crazy for agreeing with Trump's new policy on student loans? If your major likely leads you into a debt that you cannot repay then you should not qualify for federal student loans for that major.
Yes you’re crazy for agreeing with it. It’s bad policy that makes no sense. Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future. I hope people that complained about Biden are happy with Trump fucking up the whole student loans system
Liberal arts degrees make well-rounded citizens which is the backbone of a functioning democracy. A policy like this is just another attempt to turn America into Communist China. The correct policy would be for the state to invest in all education to prevent student-loan debt. Go a step further and also invest in trade schools to be free also and to even give free work trucks to tradesmen and free farm equipment to farmers. These are things government should be focused on instead of mass surveillance and war.
Yes you’re crazy for agreeing with it. It’s bad policy that makes no sense. Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future. I hope people that complained about Biden are happy with Trump fucking up the whole student loans system
Liberal arts degrees make well-rounded citizens which is the backbone of a functioning democracy. A policy like this is just another attempt to turn America into Communist China. The correct policy would be for the state to invest in all education to prevent student-loan debt. Go a step further and also invest in trade schools to be free also and to even give free work trucks to tradesmen and free farm equipment to farmers. These are things government should be focused on instead of mass surveillance and war.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (t19vo)
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Maybe it should be more culturally accepted for women to marry in their late teens/early 20s and have babies instead of spending years and potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars pursuing something that they'll just abandon after 5-10 years in the job force.
Right. Any woman, no matter how smart or talented, should just get pregnant in her teens, and stay in the kitchen.
And who said anything about "abandoning" their career? There is a difference between working a predictable 40 or 50 hour week, and doing the insane hours required of young doctors and lawyers.
Right. Any woman, no matter how smart or talented, should just get pregnant in her teens, and stay in the kitchen.
And who said anything about "abandoning" their career? There is a difference between working a predictable 40 or 50 hour week, and doing the insane hours required of young doctors and lawyers.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (Riz8t)
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I agree that if they want to do something as manifestly stupid as go into deep debt to fund a useless degree, that's up to them and whatever idiot decides to lend them the money, as long as that money wasn't taken from me as tax dollars. It's the same as letting people build a house on a sand bar; knock yourself out, but don't expect me to reimburse you when the house falls into the ocean.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (Riz8t)
I have some sympathies for 18 year olds who've spent their entire life being told to "follow their passion" and then get advised by professional advisors to go to college and, yes, dipshittery is a wonderful career choice, and etc. who then follow the advice that the adults around them keep giving.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:35 PM (Riz8t)
I have some sympathies for 18 year olds who've spent their entire life being told to "follow their passion" and then get advised by professional advisors to go to college and, yes, dipshittery is a wonderful career choice, and etc. who then follow the advice that the adults around them keep giving.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (ExV1e)
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Since the way to become a millionaire in these majors is to start with two million dollars...you don't need a loan!
Posted by: t-bird at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (XJjDY)
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102 Yes you’re crazy for agreeing with it. It’s bad policy that makes no sense. Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future. I hope people that complained about Biden are happy with Trump fucking up the whole student loans system
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (t19vo)
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Translation:
"Predict the future, but refuse to use the past as a guide."
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (t19vo)
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Translation:
"Predict the future, but refuse to use the past as a guide."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (I7axw)
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I also wonder about teachers
literally all the girls my daughter's age (which is young 20s) have already retired to be moms!
I think that happens A LOT. some go back after the kids are older? maybe?
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:42 PM (j+aD2)
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Gen Alpha (2013-2025) making teachers quit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClaDlJgsq5Q
literally all the girls my daughter's age (which is young 20s) have already retired to be moms!
I think that happens A LOT. some go back after the kids are older? maybe?
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 12:42 PM (j+aD2)
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Gen Alpha (2013-2025) making teachers quit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClaDlJgsq5Q
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (X7pZH)
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From downstairs;
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You cannot argue that driving is a human right, but you can argue that we have the basic human rights to liberty and property and from that the government cannot ban or unnecessarily restrict driving.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Of course.
But states seem to have been taking the position that illegals can not be denied the right to drive because it is necessary to participate in the economy, and that ties to basic human rights.
If it is justification for illegals then same for citizens. I am not looking under penumbras here, but I think we have treated driving as something the gov. can have full control of. That can be pushed back on - we have a lot of amendments that can apply here - assembly, search, religion, speech,... they all need people to participate in the economy and that should preclude unreasonable restrictions or searches while doing so.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (+UEwf)
I'm not driving, I'm traveling.
*moments later*
I do not consent!
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You cannot argue that driving is a human right, but you can argue that we have the basic human rights to liberty and property and from that the government cannot ban or unnecessarily restrict driving.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Of course.
But states seem to have been taking the position that illegals can not be denied the right to drive because it is necessary to participate in the economy, and that ties to basic human rights.
If it is justification for illegals then same for citizens. I am not looking under penumbras here, but I think we have treated driving as something the gov. can have full control of. That can be pushed back on - we have a lot of amendments that can apply here - assembly, search, religion, speech,... they all need people to participate in the economy and that should preclude unreasonable restrictions or searches while doing so.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (+UEwf)
I'm not driving, I'm traveling.
*moments later*
I do not consent!
Posted by: Sovereign Citizen at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (wVcYX)
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literally all the girls my daughter's age (which is young 20s) have already retired to be moms!
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And what we're left with are the childless rainbow crowd types who are hardcore leftists teaching kids.
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And what we're left with are the childless rainbow crowd types who are hardcore leftists teaching kids.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (qBdHI)
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Was mushbrain Biden’s student loan forgiveness ever stopped? He let a lot of people off the hook
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (Dkvax)
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The courts stopped it. So most of the "loan forgiveness" never happened. It was not the mass loan forgiveness that most people seem to think it was.
The vast majority of idiots who can't pay back their student loans are still on the hook, and a default hits their credit report. They are fucked and I like it.
It may well be that they never pay this money back, and the taxpayers are on the hook for it eventually. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to the 100s of trillions that taxpayers are already on the hook for.
So, as I said above, I'm of two minds about this. One of those minds thinks it's worth it to help my political enemies destroy themselves.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 29, 2026 12:38 PM (Dkvax)
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The courts stopped it. So most of the "loan forgiveness" never happened. It was not the mass loan forgiveness that most people seem to think it was.
The vast majority of idiots who can't pay back their student loans are still on the hook, and a default hits their credit report. They are fucked and I like it.
It may well be that they never pay this money back, and the taxpayers are on the hook for it eventually. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to the 100s of trillions that taxpayers are already on the hook for.
So, as I said above, I'm of two minds about this. One of those minds thinks it's worth it to help my political enemies destroy themselves.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (iFTx/)
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Rush Limbaugh came from a family of wealthy lawyers.
After one semester he failed out of Southeast Missouri State.
He died penniless.
After one semester he failed out of Southeast Missouri State.
He died penniless.
Posted by: Oh, wait... at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (2Ez/1)
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>>Med schools relying on women has been a giant negative for the medical profession as a going concern.
Yep, and there are 2 female MDs in my family. One has a good work ethic and the other has run into some (legitimate, IMO) health problems. The latter is still working but cannot work the way her country-GP grandfather did.
Yep, and there are 2 female MDs in my family. One has a good work ethic and the other has run into some (legitimate, IMO) health problems. The latter is still working but cannot work the way her country-GP grandfather did.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (NcvvS)
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Right. Any woman, no matter how smart or talented, should just get pregnant in her teens, and stay in the kitchen.
And who said anything about "abandoning" their career? There is a difference between working a predictable 40 or 50 hour week, and doing the insane hours required of young doctors and lawyers.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (Riz8t)
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That's a lot of words you put in my mouth.
You responded to the stats that 40% of all female doctors abandoned or greatly reduced their work within 6 years. Would they have been happier...getting married before med school?
Right. Any woman, no matter how smart or talented, should just get pregnant in her teens, and stay in the kitchen.
And who said anything about "abandoning" their career? There is a difference between working a predictable 40 or 50 hour week, and doing the insane hours required of young doctors and lawyers.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (Riz8t)
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That's a lot of words you put in my mouth.
You responded to the stats that 40% of all female doctors abandoned or greatly reduced their work within 6 years. Would they have been happier...getting married before med school?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (I7axw)
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Yes you’re crazy for agreeing with it. It’s bad policy that makes no sense. Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future
But that's exactly what Trump is doing?
But that's exactly what Trump is doing?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:48 PM (2ocoG)
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Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future.
That's exactly what this does. Think about it.
That's exactly what this does. Think about it.
Posted by: t-bird at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (XJjDY)
Posted by: Department of Education at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (w9Wax)
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I mean, we do need art, but ... not the kind of vomit we so often get today in the name of art.
There is a new movie out called Forgotten Island from Dreamworks Studio, which typically puts out solid stuff. Apparently its a really good story that is smart and well done. But the art style for the animation is absolutely hideous and offensively ugly and damaging to the eyes and sanity.
Its not doing well because the trailer looked like the usual The Message slop and was ugly. This is not the kind of art we want or need.
There is a new movie out called Forgotten Island from Dreamworks Studio, which typically puts out solid stuff. Apparently its a really good story that is smart and well done. But the art style for the animation is absolutely hideous and offensively ugly and damaging to the eyes and sanity.
Its not doing well because the trailer looked like the usual The Message slop and was ugly. This is not the kind of art we want or need.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (nIKjK)
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115 Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future.
That's exactly what this does. Think about it.
Posted by: t-bird at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (XJjDY)
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The government is going to need Gender Studies majors to figure out utopia, comrade.
That's exactly what this does. Think about it.
Posted by: t-bird at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (XJjDY)
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The government is going to need Gender Studies majors to figure out utopia, comrade.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (I7axw)
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Yes you’re crazy for agreeing with it. It’s bad policy that makes no sense. Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future. I hope people that complained about Biden are happy with Trump fucking up the whole student loans system
Probably has a garage full of never opened boxes of 30th Anniversary Pokemon cards and four maxed out credit cards.
Probably has a garage full of never opened boxes of 30th Anniversary Pokemon cards and four maxed out credit cards.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:49 PM (2GVsD)
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She later wound up failing to get into some subsidized art program at the university of arizona because her shitty agendized artwork wasn't selling. She and her lesbian partner had put up a gofundme so they could pay rent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 12:46 PM (mmrXZ
Hmmm.
I have room.
Do they like cold weather?
I should probably search for photos first.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 12:46 PM (mmrXZ
Hmmm.
I have room.
Do they like cold weather?
I should probably search for photos first.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 105 years old - puppy at heart at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (Sco7b)
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The push for the past 50 years especially by boomers that YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE OR FAIL AT LIFE was so bad and so wrong. Most people should not go to college. Most people don't need it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (nIKjK
You said that better than I did.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (nIKjK
You said that better than I did.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (zYpTz)
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Yes you’re crazy for agreeing with it. It’s bad policy that makes no sense. Instead of discouraging people from pursuing higher education, they should be incentivizing fields that are in high demand in the future. I hope people that complained about Biden are happy with Trump fucking up the whole student loans system
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (t19vo)
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Translation:
"Predict the future, but refuse to use the past as a guide."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (I7axw)
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If only we could determine which "fields ... are in high demand in the future" and this idea would be genius!
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (t19vo)
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Translation:
"Predict the future, but refuse to use the past as a guide."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (I7axw)
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If only we could determine which "fields ... are in high demand in the future" and this idea would be genius!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (iFTx/)
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I have some sympathies for 18 year olds who've spent their entire life being told to "follow their passion" and then get advised by professional advisors to go to college and, yes, dipshittery is a wonderful career choice, and etc. who then follow the advice that the adults around them keep giving.
I agree, and the biggest "professional advisor" who does that is the government, willing to subsidize you for a decade in a field that will never pay, when you have no real idea how negative the impact of that debt will be to you later in life. Start there. Get government out of the student loan business.
I agree, and the biggest "professional advisor" who does that is the government, willing to subsidize you for a decade in a field that will never pay, when you have no real idea how negative the impact of that debt will be to you later in life. Start there. Get government out of the student loan business.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (Riz8t)
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Probbly asked already but wasn't it Obama who 'federalized' these loans, putting the taxpayer ultimately on the hook?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (5UQUM)
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122 If only we could determine which "fields ... are in high demand in the future" and this idea would be genius!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (iFTx/)
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Crystals, man.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (iFTx/)
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Crystals, man.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (I7axw)
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your Art Thread does not meet the minimum requirements.
Posted by: Department of Education
It was the naked man on an ottoman, wasn't it?
Posted by: Department of Education
It was the naked man on an ottoman, wasn't it?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (nIKjK)
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I think women wait way too late to start families, but then again no one tells them how hard it is to have healthy kids when you are in your late thirties. It's a conspiracy of silence, and many young women I know (I have two daughters) are not just sad at widespread (age-related) reproductive problems, but also mad.
If our girls had started having a family in their early twenties instead of their thirties, all of this would have been much easier physically.
If our girls had started having a family in their early twenties instead of their thirties, all of this would have been much easier physically.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (JYE7p)
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (Riz8t)
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If Liberals weren't wetting their beak in the field of academia, college tuition would be considered like the biggest scam of all time by the media with a constant stream of horror stories.
You look at other investments and schemes, but nothing has hurt people more than massive tuition costs for college.
You look at other investments and schemes, but nothing has hurt people more than massive tuition costs for college.
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (dVLbm)
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124 Probbly asked already but wasn't it Obama who 'federalized' these loans, putting the taxpayer ultimately on the hook?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (5UQUM)
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It's easy to say Obama because he signed the law, but it was the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 that actually did it.
It'll take another act of Congress to undo it.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 12:50 PM (5UQUM)
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It's easy to say Obama because he signed the law, but it was the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 that actually did it.
It'll take another act of Congress to undo it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (I7axw)
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You said that better than I did.
I was thinking the exact opposite and wishing I hadn't posted because it was just a repeat of what you said, but poorer LOL
I was thinking the exact opposite and wishing I hadn't posted because it was just a repeat of what you said, but poorer LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (nIKjK)
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You could always start a lesbian bar.
Posted by: In Massachusetts at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (2Ez/1)
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The push for the past 50 years especially by boomers that YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE OR FAIL AT LIFE was so bad and so wrong. Most people should not go to college. Most people don't need it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (nIKjK
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It's not just boomers.
And the younger folks are really big on credentialism, it seems to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:41 PM (nIKjK
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It's not just boomers.
And the younger folks are really big on credentialism, it seems to me.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (X7pZH)
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My nephew worked very hard to get into an electrician apprentice program. After two months, the electrician told him there wasn't enough work to sustain him and he'd call if he got more work.
This isn't in some tiny little backwater town either. It's St George, Utah. There should be plenty of work. The guy is a legit master electrician, so I have no idea how he doesn't have enough work to go around.
This isn't in some tiny little backwater town either. It's St George, Utah. There should be plenty of work. The guy is a legit master electrician, so I have no idea how he doesn't have enough work to go around.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (mkw2N)
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If only we could determine which "fields ... are in high demand in the future" and this idea would be genius!
Well, we can start with the fields that already don't have any demand.
Well, we can start with the fields that already don't have any demand.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (Riz8t)
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The bright neon color palette for Forgotten Island is truly eye searing which means no Humans generated it, it was all AI.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (2GVsD)
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My wife was a Registered Dietitian with a Masters in Nutrition. She didn't work for ten years when the children were little, then only went back part-time for the rest of her career. I was proud I could support the family in the squalor to which we had become accustomed.
Posted by: Poor Boy From A Poor Family at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (Fn+3X)
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Med schools relying on women has been a giant negative for the medical profession as a going concern.
I'm on my third ophthalmologist.
The first two were women who stopped practicing in their 30s.
I'm on my third ophthalmologist.
The first two were women who stopped practicing in their 30s.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (aD4fx)
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So apparently D candidates across the country are running a _____ (state) is NOT for sale, campaign.
What does it mean? They're the ones selling every state and the country out!
But I saw Sayed saying it (Michigan is NOT for sale!) and I just saw it in another state. They are so weird. It literally means nothing. But obviously they think it will work. It sounds strong anyway.
What does it mean? They're the ones selling every state and the country out!
But I saw Sayed saying it (Michigan is NOT for sale!) and I just saw it in another state. They are so weird. It literally means nothing. But obviously they think it will work. It sounds strong anyway.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (3R4hO)
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>>>Another benefit is that many of these "majors" are actually just training to become bitter revolutionaries. Many "subjects" taught in college now are just Marxist agitation towards chaos and tumult. Far from being a benefit to society, these fields train "students" to undermine and attack society.
I would argue that this has been true for 40 years.
Speaking as a former liberal arts major.
I would argue that this has been true for 40 years.
Speaking as a former liberal arts major.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (rbvCR)
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128 That's a lot of words you put in my mouth.
Physician heal thyself.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (Riz8t)
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I never asserted you said anything. I said that maybe women should consider getting married and having kids instead of spending time in college.
I never said they should be forced and be barefoot in the kitchen. You asserted that I meant that. I use words like an adult. I say what I mean.
But, even staunch conservatives are aghast at the idea of women choosing to be homemakers instead of spending years trying to be something else, I guess. They should be actively discouraged from that choice.
Physician heal thyself.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:51 PM (Riz8t)
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I never asserted you said anything. I said that maybe women should consider getting married and having kids instead of spending time in college.
I never said they should be forced and be barefoot in the kitchen. You asserted that I meant that. I use words like an adult. I say what I mean.
But, even staunch conservatives are aghast at the idea of women choosing to be homemakers instead of spending years trying to be something else, I guess. They should be actively discouraged from that choice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (I7axw)
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I knew a family where dad was a medical doctor. The kids did their first 2 college years at the community college, because it just makes sense.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (0Htd1)
That's what I had my daughter do. Got all her core requirements done at a CC, then transferred to a prestigous university and got her diploma. The diploma says nothing about the CC. Saved quite a bit of money.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (0Htd1)
That's what I had my daughter do. Got all her core requirements done at a CC, then transferred to a prestigous university and got her diploma. The diploma says nothing about the CC. Saved quite a bit of money.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (5UQUM)
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My nephew worked very hard to get into an electrician apprentice program. After two months, the electrician told him there wasn't enough work to sustain him and he'd call if he got more work.
That strongly sounds like "doing the minimum required to be eligible to bring in H1Bs".
That strongly sounds like "doing the minimum required to be eligible to bring in H1Bs".
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (2GVsD)
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I think it's a good thing for companies to be more flexible, but more importantly, we as a society simply have to make it easier for women to work realistic hours.
What if we made it easier for women to stay at home?
What if women had to make the same trade-offs men have to make?
What if we made it easier for women to stay at home?
What if women had to make the same trade-offs men have to make?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (ExV1e)
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138 Med schools relying on women has been a giant negative for the medical profession as a going concern.
I'm on my third ophthalmologist.
The first two were women who stopped practicing in their 30s.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (aD4fx)
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But going back to them in their 20s and telling them that they actually won't use their degrees for long and could probably save a lot of time and trouble by just marrying then and having babies is anti-woman, it seems.
I'm on my third ophthalmologist.
The first two were women who stopped practicing in their 30s.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (aD4fx)
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But going back to them in their 20s and telling them that they actually won't use their degrees for long and could probably save a lot of time and trouble by just marrying then and having babies is anti-woman, it seems.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:54 PM (I7axw)
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(Getting to the thread late. Apologies if this has already been addressed.)
24 This bothers me at one level, because colleges and universities are not glorified trade schools. They are not an expensive way to get a job.
College because a job qualification because the previous way of qualifying -- objective testing -- was ruled racist.
24 This bothers me at one level, because colleges and universities are not glorified trade schools. They are not an expensive way to get a job.
College because a job qualification because the previous way of qualifying -- objective testing -- was ruled racist.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2026 12:54 PM (yhD/F)
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What does it mean? They're the ones selling every state and the country out!
But I saw Sayed saying it (Michigan is NOT for sale!) and I just saw it in another state. They are so weird. It literally means nothing. But obviously they think it will work. It sounds strong anyway.
Posted by: ...
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I really think data centers has everyone up in arms even though its probably the best commercial installation a place could hope for.
Id rather have a data center than say a Starbucks or Walmart.
But I saw Sayed saying it (Michigan is NOT for sale!) and I just saw it in another state. They are so weird. It literally means nothing. But obviously they think it will work. It sounds strong anyway.
Posted by: ...
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I really think data centers has everyone up in arms even though its probably the best commercial installation a place could hope for.
Id rather have a data center than say a Starbucks or Walmart.
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 12:54 PM (dVLbm)
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And the younger folks are really big on credentialism, it seems to me.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (X7pZH)
Every HR department in anything more professional than retail wants you to have a degree for a even a low level job. It has to change, or this problem doesn't get solved.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (X7pZH)
Every HR department in anything more professional than retail wants you to have a degree for a even a low level job. It has to change, or this problem doesn't get solved.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 29, 2026 12:54 PM (zYpTz)
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But I saw Sayed saying it (Michigan is NOT for sale!) and I just saw it in another state. They are so weird. It literally means nothing. But obviously they think it will work. It sounds strong anyway.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (3R4hO)
How much for the women?
But I saw Sayed saying it (Michigan is NOT for sale!) and I just saw it in another state. They are so weird. It literally means nothing. But obviously they think it will work. It sounds strong anyway.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 12:53 PM (3R4hO)
How much for the women?
Posted by: Jake Blues at September 29, 2026 12:54 PM (rbvCR)
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My wife was a Registered Dietitian with a Masters in Nutrition. She didn't work for ten years when the children were little, then only went back part-time for the rest of her career. I was proud I could support the family in the squalor to which we had become accustomed.
Mine had a PhD in chemistry. She went from full time to part time for about 15 years while our kids were younger, and then went back to work full time after they didn't need her at home. The government for once did something intelligent in allowing her that option, since they got a cheap, but superlative employee, who was far more productive per hour than the people who were full time. Naturally, they've since forbidden that option.
Mine had a PhD in chemistry. She went from full time to part time for about 15 years while our kids were younger, and then went back to work full time after they didn't need her at home. The government for once did something intelligent in allowing her that option, since they got a cheap, but superlative employee, who was far more productive per hour than the people who were full time. Naturally, they've since forbidden that option.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (Riz8t)
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Like it or not, there are some things more important that squeezing the last few hours out of your employees.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (Riz8t)
Preposterous!
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:43 PM (Riz8t)
Preposterous!
Posted by: Denny Crane! at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (wVcYX)
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I think women wait way too late to start families, but then again no one tells them how hard it is to have healthy kids when you are in your late thirties.
Its not so much that as that you do not have the energy, focus, or health at 30 to do what you did at 20. At 20 you can go 6 days with 3 hours of sleep total. At 20 you can be up constantly caring for a little person that desperately needs your aid. Not so much at 30 or 40. That's how God designed the system. Marry and have kids young, build your life with your kids.
Its not so much that as that you do not have the energy, focus, or health at 30 to do what you did at 20. At 20 you can go 6 days with 3 hours of sleep total. At 20 you can be up constantly caring for a little person that desperately needs your aid. Not so much at 30 or 40. That's how God designed the system. Marry and have kids young, build your life with your kids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (nIKjK)
Posted by: Lindsay Clancy Jurors at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (t19vo)
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I knew a family where dad was a medical doctor. The kids did their first 2 college years at the community college, because it just makes sense.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (0Htd1)
My oldest started in community college and decided that college was not for them. Yay.
My youngest did all four years in an out-of-state four year college that I paid for because the fight with the wife, who wanted youngest child to "have the college experience", wasn't worth it. Youngest is now an employed baby engineer but, damn, it was expensive.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2026 12:44 PM (0Htd1)
My oldest started in community college and decided that college was not for them. Yay.
My youngest did all four years in an out-of-state four year college that I paid for because the fight with the wife, who wanted youngest child to "have the college experience", wasn't worth it. Youngest is now an employed baby engineer but, damn, it was expensive.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 12:56 PM (ExV1e)
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Wired has a hit piece up on Kurt Schlichter, of all people. They call him a "Pentagon influencer" and they are trying to cancel him.
https://tinyurl.com/ya4c2xyb
https://tinyurl.com/ya4c2xyb
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 12:56 PM (nShWT)
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My degree did nothing but open certain doors. Nobody considering me for a job even cared what the degree was in, just that I had one. All the skills I had were self taught.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 12:56 PM (5UQUM)
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80 This came up as a topic months ago on the art thread. Patronage is one thing, but once government funds any art you desire to make, it turns to crap.
Look at government sponsored art from the US, Germany, or the USSR in the 1930s. Is any of it truly appealing?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:40 PM (2GVsD)
Counter argument: The Aeneid by Virgil- which is almost propaganda for Augustus in whole cloth. But it's not bad- if farcically fake.
Look at government sponsored art from the US, Germany, or the USSR in the 1930s. Is any of it truly appealing?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:40 PM (2GVsD)
Counter argument: The Aeneid by Virgil- which is almost propaganda for Augustus in whole cloth. But it's not bad- if farcically fake.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Y/06r)
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Remember that Jason Arday got a degree in sociology studies or something like that.
Posted by: dantesed at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Oy/m2)
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158 Counter argument: The Aeneid by Virgil- which is almost propaganda for Augustus in whole cloth. But it's not bad- if farcically fake.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Y/06r)
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Unlike the Iliad which is just straight history.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Y/06r)
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Unlike the Iliad which is just straight history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (I7axw)
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But going back to them in their 20s and telling them that they actually won't use their degrees for long and could probably save a lot of time and trouble by just marrying then and having babies is anti-woman, it seems.
In the 1940s, Harvard Medical School explicitly discriminated against women, because their alumni records showed that almost all their male graduates practiced medicine until retirement, while a substantial fraction of their female graduates stopped practicing medicine at some point.
In the 1940s, Harvard Medical School explicitly discriminated against women, because their alumni records showed that almost all their male graduates practiced medicine until retirement, while a substantial fraction of their female graduates stopped practicing medicine at some point.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (aD4fx)
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But going back to them in their 20s and telling them that they actually won't use their degrees for long and could probably save a lot of time and trouble by just marrying then and having babies is anti-woman, it seems.
There's a certain subset of men who believe that if they tell any woman anything she doesn't already believe they'll never have sex again. They should be more like The Paolo.
There's a certain subset of men who believe that if they tell any woman anything she doesn't already believe they'll never have sex again. They should be more like The Paolo.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
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Wired has about as much influence as Vice does, which is still more than CNN.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2GVsD)
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And the younger folks are really big on credentialism, it seems to me.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (X7pZH)
Everyone under 35 or so seems so fucking smug these days.
The worst thing we ever did was this "self esteem" push in the 90s and 2000s.
Humility was more important than self-esteem or self-flagellation and it was clearly abandoned, to society's ultimate detriment.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:52 PM (X7pZH)
Everyone under 35 or so seems so fucking smug these days.
The worst thing we ever did was this "self esteem" push in the 90s and 2000s.
Humility was more important than self-esteem or self-flagellation and it was clearly abandoned, to society's ultimate detriment.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (3R4hO)
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But the allure of the gleaming cubicle farm!
Stare at a computer screen all day!
Give your best years, talents and energy to a thankless, soulless corporation instead of your husband and kids!
It'll be great!
Stare at a computer screen all day!
Give your best years, talents and energy to a thankless, soulless corporation instead of your husband and kids!
It'll be great!
Posted by: The HR Department at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (2Ez/1)
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Very few women (and men for that manner) really get the satisfaction out of a career versus a family.
I just look at so many of the women that think they are "girl boss" type executives and it's a joke.
I think AI will wipe out a lot of these types of "girl jobs" in the very near future where it's a lot of emails and meetings about nothing.
I just look at so many of the women that think they are "girl boss" type executives and it's a joke.
I think AI will wipe out a lot of these types of "girl jobs" in the very near future where it's a lot of emails and meetings about nothing.
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (dVLbm)
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165 But the allure of the gleaming cubicle farm!
Stare at a computer screen all day!
Give your best years, talents and energy to a thankless, soulless corporation instead of your husband and kids!
It'll be great!
Posted by: The HR Department at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (2Ez/1)
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"Men are just having affairs and drinking all day."
-the 50s, I guess
Stare at a computer screen all day!
Give your best years, talents and energy to a thankless, soulless corporation instead of your husband and kids!
It'll be great!
Posted by: The HR Department at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (2Ez/1)
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"Men are just having affairs and drinking all day."
-the 50s, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (I7axw)
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This was first implemented beginning July 1 2014 by the Obama regency.
The policy is officially called the Gainful Employment rule (or Gainful Employment regulations). It is often abbreviated as the GE rule.
The policy is officially called the Gainful Employment rule (or Gainful Employment regulations). It is often abbreviated as the GE rule.
Posted by: Miklos is up early today at September 29, 2026 12:58 PM (4RYRd)
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Mine had a PhD in chemistry. [ . . . ]
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (Riz8t)
Who paid for the PhD? Who paid down the loan while she was not working?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (Riz8t)
Who paid for the PhD? Who paid down the loan while she was not working?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (rbvCR)
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What if we made it easier for women to stay at home?
If, like me, you see the fertility rate as the biggest crisis facing us, you'd say we SHOULD make it easier for women to stay home. That's the whole point of my argument for making it easier for younger women (or men) to work part time.
What if women had to make the same trade-offs men have to make?
If you really believe that women don't have to make trade-offs, I don't know what to tell you, other than pointing out the one I've already mentioned.
If, like me, you see the fertility rate as the biggest crisis facing us, you'd say we SHOULD make it easier for women to stay home. That's the whole point of my argument for making it easier for younger women (or men) to work part time.
What if women had to make the same trade-offs men have to make?
If you really believe that women don't have to make trade-offs, I don't know what to tell you, other than pointing out the one I've already mentioned.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (Riz8t)
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> That strongly sounds like "doing the minimum required to be eligible to bring in H1Bs".
No. H1B visas require a position to demand at least a bachelor's degree or equivalent in a specialized field. Electrician jobs are vocational, so an electrician can't hire foreign workers through a H1B program.
Maybe he could do an EB3 visa, but that requires a permanent job offer and cert through the Dept of Labor.
No. H1B visas require a position to demand at least a bachelor's degree or equivalent in a specialized field. Electrician jobs are vocational, so an electrician can't hire foreign workers through a H1B program.
Maybe he could do an EB3 visa, but that requires a permanent job offer and cert through the Dept of Labor.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (mkw2N)
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The Aeneid had a propaganda purpose - why Rome does not like the Greek states.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (2GVsD)
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Wired has a hit piece up on Kurt Schlichter, of all people. They call him a "Pentagon influencer" and they are trying to cancel him.
The left's current preferred method of taking out Trump is "military coup", so attacks on the Pentagon and anyone that approves of Pete Hegseth's job must be destroyed.
The left's current preferred method of taking out Trump is "military coup", so attacks on the Pentagon and anyone that approves of Pete Hegseth's job must be destroyed.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (2ocoG)
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There are some indirect benefits to this. I used to have to compete with my friends and peers to secure employment over the summer at some of the choice "fun" jobs in order to stuff money away for college. Now, teenagers don't work (or plan ahead) as much. Those positions custom built for young, inexperienced kids have been gobbled up by illegals. I'm talking about waiting tables, assisting tradesmen, working counters etc. That doesn't even include the hard manual labor slots (that I personally believe every teenager should experience before making long lasting vocational choices). Even if the lesson is "I don't want to do this shit for the rest of my life"...you've learned something.
Student loans aren't, IMO, to give opportunities to the individual. They should be to benefit the community and the economy as a whole. Instead the focus is on assisting the individual (who just happens to be too unmotivated to create their own opportunities).
No more degrees in Lesbian Cookie Making. There is little benefit going forward to anyone.
Student loans aren't, IMO, to give opportunities to the individual. They should be to benefit the community and the economy as a whole. Instead the focus is on assisting the individual (who just happens to be too unmotivated to create their own opportunities).
No more degrees in Lesbian Cookie Making. There is little benefit going forward to anyone.
Posted by: Orson at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (dIske)
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Its not so much that as that you do not have the energy, focus, or health at 30 to do what you did at 20. At 20 you can go 6 days with 3 hours of sleep total. At 20 you can be up constantly caring for a little person that desperately needs your aid. Not so much at 30 or 40. That's how God designed the system. Marry and have kids young, build your life with your kids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (nIKjK)
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Had mine at 20 and 23.
God's ways are best.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (nIKjK)
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Had mine at 20 and 23.
God's ways are best.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (X7pZH)
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But going back to them in their 20s and telling them that they actually won't use their degrees for long and could probably save a lot of time and trouble by just marrying then and having babies is anti-woman, it seems.
There's a certain subset of men who believe that if they tell any woman anything she doesn't already believe they'll never have sex again.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
__________
"We have a solution for that, ya know?"
-- The Oldest Profession
There's a certain subset of men who believe that if they tell any woman anything she doesn't already believe they'll never have sex again.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
__________
"We have a solution for that, ya know?"
-- The Oldest Profession
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (iFTx/)
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172 The Aeneid had a propaganda purpose - why Rome does not like the Greek states.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (2GVsD)
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*aghast for a moment before going back to write the Henriad*
-William Shakespeare
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (2GVsD)
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*aghast for a moment before going back to write the Henriad*
-William Shakespeare
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:00 PM (I7axw)
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My oldest started in community college and decided that college was not for them. Yay.
This is the way: give it a shot, its not quite college but its a transition step that lets you get a ton of the core requirements out of the way for 1/100th the cost. And you can find out if its for you or not.
This is the way: give it a shot, its not quite college but its a transition step that lets you get a ton of the core requirements out of the way for 1/100th the cost. And you can find out if its for you or not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 01:00 PM (nIKjK)
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So apparently D candidates across the country are running a _____ (state) is NOT for sale, campaign.
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The same message is showing up in the UK and Canada. But there is no coordination.
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The same message is showing up in the UK and Canada. But there is no coordination.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 29, 2026 01:00 PM (yixf8)
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Ultimately the problem is credentialism. "You must be certified/licensed/have Z-level degree/etc, no matter how much experience and know-how you have". That's a problem caused by: states insisting on credentials/licensing (so they can scoop fees, probably), Griggs vs Duke Power (flipped the recruitment mindset to 'experience *might* be acceptable in lieu of degree... but might not' instead of the fairly-reasonable 'degree *might substitute for lack of experience'), and businesses that don't want to 'waste' time/money training new hires. And probably some things that I forgot.
Until that's fixed, at every level it's possible to do so, colleges and universities aren't for 'becoming a better citizen and leader', although that's still their marketing pitch.
Until that's fixed, at every level it's possible to do so, colleges and universities aren't for 'becoming a better citizen and leader', although that's still their marketing pitch.
Posted by: RandomDave (if you can spare a bit, please click!) at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (aJQbY)
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Unlike the Iliad which is just straight history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (I7axw)
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I hated memorizing all those dates...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (I7axw)
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I hated memorizing all those dates...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (FZ29D)
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Remember that Jason Arday got a degree in sociology studies or something like that.
He had a degree in the studious study of the study of sociological studies. Or something like that.
He had a degree in the studious study of the study of sociological studies. Or something like that.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (5UQUM)
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There's a certain subset of men who believe that if they tell any woman anything she doesn't already believe they'll never have sex again. They should be more like The Paolo.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
Well, not partnered sex at any rate. These men are not wrong.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
Well, not partnered sex at any rate. These men are not wrong.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (wVcYX)
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Wired has a hit piece up on Kurt Schlichter, of all people. They call him a "Pentagon influencer" and they are trying to cancel him.
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I sometimes watch Matt Walsh on YouTube, and I guess some trans freak hacked his phone and Wired was asking for his private emails to review.
Theyve demonetized Walsh on YouTube, its costing him over a million a year.
Google/Youtube is saying its over Dylan Mulvaney
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I sometimes watch Matt Walsh on YouTube, and I guess some trans freak hacked his phone and Wired was asking for his private emails to review.
Theyve demonetized Walsh on YouTube, its costing him over a million a year.
Google/Youtube is saying its over Dylan Mulvaney
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (dVLbm)
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Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 12:54 PM (dVLbm)
I swear they're not ever mentioning those. They said something about ICE and I think banking regulations. Honestly they just focus grouped the phrase (or AI did) and they are rolling with it.
It's a good way to do a national campaign but pretend it's local.
I swear they're not ever mentioning those. They said something about ICE and I think banking regulations. Honestly they just focus grouped the phrase (or AI did) and they are rolling with it.
It's a good way to do a national campaign but pretend it's local.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (3R4hO)
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181 Unlike the Iliad which is just straight history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (I7axw)
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I hated memorizing all those dates...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (FZ29D)
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Who can expect to remember a week's worth of dates?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (I7axw)
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I hated memorizing all those dates...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (FZ29D)
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Who can expect to remember a week's worth of dates?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (I7axw)
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Mine had a PhD in chemistry. [ . . . ]
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (Riz8t)
Who paid for the PhD? Who paid down the loan while she was not working?
She had no loans, because she was a chemistry student, and they usually get stipends because their skills are in demand.
She was never not working, but she went part-time. Our bottom line was reduced accordingly.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:55 PM (Riz8t)
Who paid for the PhD? Who paid down the loan while she was not working?
She had no loans, because she was a chemistry student, and they usually get stipends because their skills are in demand.
She was never not working, but she went part-time. Our bottom line was reduced accordingly.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (Riz8t)
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Get government out of the student loan business.
I agree but that requires Congress and my Magic 8 Ball suggests that I should not depend on Congress doing anything which would benefit the country.
I agree but that requires Congress and my Magic 8 Ball suggests that I should not depend on Congress doing anything which would benefit the country.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (ExV1e)
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How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
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My granddaughter has her heart set on becoming a psychologist. She wants to go all the way to through the PhD program. I fear this may be one of the no hope majors. Unless, of course, she changes her mind(which I hope she does).
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (lJ0H4)
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188 Get government out of the student loan business.
I agree but that requires Congress and my Magic 8 Ball suggests that I should not depend on Congress doing anything which would benefit the country.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (ExV1e)
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OBBB did a lot to benefit the country.
Johnson has passed a host of laws to codified Trump EOs.
Problem is the Senate, and we're getting rid of five of the worst GOP senators next year.
We'll see.
I agree but that requires Congress and my Magic 8 Ball suggests that I should not depend on Congress doing anything which would benefit the country.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (ExV1e)
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OBBB did a lot to benefit the country.
Johnson has passed a host of laws to codified Trump EOs.
Problem is the Senate, and we're getting rid of five of the worst GOP senators next year.
We'll see.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (I7axw)
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Student loans aren't, IMO, to give opportunities to the individual. They should be to benefit the community and the economy as a whole.
This is an excellent point.
Student loans aren't, IMO, to give opportunities to the individual. They should be to benefit the community and the economy as a whole.
This is an excellent point.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (Riz8t)
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189
How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
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Same can be said for taking six figure loans to study something they may or may not pursue for the rest of their lives.
How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
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Same can be said for taking six figure loans to study something they may or may not pursue for the rest of their lives.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (I7axw)
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"Men are just having affairs and drinking all day."
-the 50s, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
No, just me in my 50s
-the 50s, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
No, just me in my 50s
Posted by: Miklos is up earlier today at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (4RYRd)
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Wired has about as much influence as Vice does, which is still more than CNN.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2GVsD)
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Still a fun read. They are aghast that Kurt said many things, particularly that Pinochet was "too soft". I love it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2GVsD)
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Still a fun read. They are aghast that Kurt said many things, particularly that Pinochet was "too soft". I love it.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (nShWT)
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The flip side of this is that basic, entry level office jobs should not have requirements to have a degree. I haven't done anything in my "career" that should have required a degree, yet all of my positions have required it.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!
Because Griggs v Duke Power says that's the only way a company can legally screen applicants for things like "IQ over 70" or "can do 4th grade math."
They can't give you their own test. They can't give you a published IQ test. They can ask if you have a HS diploma or a GED, but neither of those means anything anymore.
And we're already to the point where a 4-year sheepskin doesn't mean anything unless its in a STEM field, so I don't know where companies go next. Require a Masters degree to be a grocery clerk?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!
Because Griggs v Duke Power says that's the only way a company can legally screen applicants for things like "IQ over 70" or "can do 4th grade math."
They can't give you their own test. They can't give you a published IQ test. They can ask if you have a HS diploma or a GED, but neither of those means anything anymore.
And we're already to the point where a 4-year sheepskin doesn't mean anything unless its in a STEM field, so I don't know where companies go next. Require a Masters degree to be a grocery clerk?
Posted by: mikeski at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (VHUov)
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194 "Men are just having affairs and drinking all day."
-the 50s, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
No, just me in my 50s
Posted by: Miklos is up earlier today at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (4RYRd)
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Not all of us can be Bob Fosse.
-the 50s, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
No, just me in my 50s
Posted by: Miklos is up earlier today at September 29, 2026 01:03 PM (4RYRd)
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Not all of us can be Bob Fosse.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:04 PM (I7axw)
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The guy is a legit master electrician, so I have no idea how he doesn't have enough work to go around.
Illegals. And a slowed economy. Both are improving but not everywhere all at once.
Illegals. And a slowed economy. Both are improving but not everywhere all at once.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:04 PM (ExV1e)
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Medical schools strictly limit how many students are allowed into an actually necessary field which really is a ticket to the upper levels of the upper class. Medical schools make sure there is no overproduction of doctors. (Though many believe that they have become an unreasonably restrictive cartel, under-producing doctors to make sure that every doctor, no matter how unskilled, becomes wealthy.)
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I'm not sure medical schools limit enrollment for altruistic reasons. I think enrollment is limited because there are only so many people who want to and can endure medical school.
You can open up 500 more medical schools, and I don't think enrollment would be much higher.
Similar to law school, although medical school is much harder.
The biggest problem facing the medical industry isn't too many graduates of American med schools. It's too many foreigners crowding into the space. Go to almost any hospital in the country, and you'll wonder whether you're still in America.
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I'm not sure medical schools limit enrollment for altruistic reasons. I think enrollment is limited because there are only so many people who want to and can endure medical school.
You can open up 500 more medical schools, and I don't think enrollment would be much higher.
Similar to law school, although medical school is much harder.
The biggest problem facing the medical industry isn't too many graduates of American med schools. It's too many foreigners crowding into the space. Go to almost any hospital in the country, and you'll wonder whether you're still in America.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 01:04 PM (iFTx/)
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My granddaughter has her heart set on becoming a psychologist. She wants to go all the way to through the PhD program. I fear this may be one of the no hope majors. Unless, of course, she changes her mind(which I hope she does).
TBH, I'm not sure what to tell young people to pursue now. I am, however, quite sure of what to tell them NOT to pursue.
TBH, I'm not sure what to tell young people to pursue now. I am, however, quite sure of what to tell them NOT to pursue.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:04 PM (Riz8t)
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I know a lot of younger women that get dangerously upset when you so much as breathe wrong about the climate, or masks or killing babies or many other things. It's not good. They're all leftards.
They don't listen at all. They just think they think and you don't and that you are the "enemy" if you have one speck of anterior pigment on your iris out of place. You are either Borg or not.
They don't listen at all. They just think they think and you don't and that you are the "enemy" if you have one speck of anterior pigment on your iris out of place. You are either Borg or not.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (3R4hO)
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Most people (including Men) would quit their jobs instantly if they won the lottery. I would say this is like 90% plus of people.
Why women think having a 9-5 for some souless corporation is so "great" is beyond me.
Why women think having a 9-5 for some souless corporation is so "great" is beyond me.
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (dVLbm)
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How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
I was. then again, I had landed in college then my dad left my mom suddenly with a young blonde so I was completely at sea. it shifts your perspective (towards finding a very good man at Penn instead of screwing around).
it IS important. I also think it's hard to have a bunch of guys and then try to attach/pair later. I think we (women) are like glue. after a few separations, we don't stick as well.
better by FAR to pair up early. THAT is what is hurting fertility and family formation.
I was. then again, I had landed in college then my dad left my mom suddenly with a young blonde so I was completely at sea. it shifts your perspective (towards finding a very good man at Penn instead of screwing around).
it IS important. I also think it's hard to have a bunch of guys and then try to attach/pair later. I think we (women) are like glue. after a few separations, we don't stick as well.
better by FAR to pair up early. THAT is what is hurting fertility and family formation.
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (j+aD2)
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Jason Arday?
Caroline Calloway, posh American wastrel. She changed her last name to Calloway at age 17 because it would sound better on book covers.
She applied to Cambridge three times, each time further doctoring her scholastic records. On the third try she got admitted.
Then she landed a $320,000 book deal with a $100k advance. She never delivered even though she had a friend ghost write it.
Caroline Calloway, posh American wastrel. She changed her last name to Calloway at age 17 because it would sound better on book covers.
She applied to Cambridge three times, each time further doctoring her scholastic records. On the third try she got admitted.
Then she landed a $320,000 book deal with a $100k advance. She never delivered even though she had a friend ghost write it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (2GVsD)
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Who can expect to remember a week's worth of dates?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
My OnlyFans do that for me
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
My OnlyFans do that for me
Posted by: Bonnie Blue at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (4RYRd)
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Also, there's a ton of stuff you can learn from home.
If you want to study history. Easy. Online. Have AI develop curiculum.
If you want to study history. Easy. Online. Have AI develop curiculum.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 105 years old - puppy at heart at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (Sco7b)
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Wonderful plan, honey! They're building a new Philosophy factory on the other side of town!
Posted by: Just the punchline at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (2Ez/1)
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"College experience" A wildly expensive bacchanal with profligate sex, drunken debauchery, even more drunken Spring breaks, etc. Wonderful experience, especially for girls.
Posted by: Visit The Girls Gone Wild RV!! You'll Be Famous!! at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (Fn+3X)
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How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
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Good point. I got lucky my wife said, "sure, why not?" instead of just laughing hysterically.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
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Good point. I got lucky my wife said, "sure, why not?" instead of just laughing hysterically.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (nShWT)
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Look at government sponsored art from the US, Germany, or the USSR in the 1930s. Is any of it truly appealing?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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I dig the art deco style of the federal courthouses built by the WPA. Plus, they have palatial bathrooms.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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I dig the art deco style of the federal courthouses built by the WPA. Plus, they have palatial bathrooms.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (JzUSu)
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How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
Heck no! But the kids turned out okay despite that.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
Heck no! But the kids turned out okay despite that.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (wVcYX)
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my Magic 8 Ball suggests that I should not depend on Congress doing anything which would benefit the country.
Or at all, really
Or at all, really
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (nIKjK)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (wljQY)
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Jason Arday?
Caroline Calloway, posh American wastrel. She changed her last name to Calloway at age 17 because it would sound better on book covers.
She applied to Cambridge three times, each time further doctoring her scholastic records. On the third try she got admitted.
Then she landed a $320,000 book deal with a $100k advance. She never delivered even though she had a friend ghost write it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (2GVsD)
_________
Odds are good she sucked a few dicks too ....
Caroline Calloway, posh American wastrel. She changed her last name to Calloway at age 17 because it would sound better on book covers.
She applied to Cambridge three times, each time further doctoring her scholastic records. On the third try she got admitted.
Then she landed a $320,000 book deal with a $100k advance. She never delivered even though she had a friend ghost write it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 29, 2026 01:05 PM (2GVsD)
_________
Odds are good she sucked a few dicks too ....
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (iFTx/)
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They can't give you their own test. They can't give you a published IQ test. They can ask if you have a HS diploma or a GED, but neither of those means anything anymore.
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Only the military can.
And the ASVAB isn't exactly a MENSA-level exam.
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Only the military can.
And the ASVAB isn't exactly a MENSA-level exam.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 01:07 PM (X7pZH)
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I'd heard that they were going to limit the amount offered to students every year as well.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
That said, reducing the available loan money year by year will force colleges to reduce their prices or lose students without causing a catastrophic crash.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
That said, reducing the available loan money year by year will force colleges to reduce their prices or lose students without causing a catastrophic crash.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2026 01:07 PM (vJrRc)
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39 Cosmotology is actually a useful profession. (Almost) everyone needs to get their haircut. Maybe I am missing something.
Posted by: Martin Tell at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (sFNX2
And based on pay, my haircutter's skills are about three times as valuable as my math teaching skills.
Posted by: Martin Tell at September 29, 2026 12:32 PM (sFNX2
And based on pay, my haircutter's skills are about three times as valuable as my math teaching skills.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at September 29, 2026 01:07 PM (OlzlW)
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216 I'd heard that they were going to limit the amount offered to students every year as well.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
That said, reducing the available loan money year by year will force colleges to reduce their prices or lose students without causing a catastrophic crash.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2026 01:07 PM (vJrRc)
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Federal loan limits were codified into statute by the OBBB.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
That said, reducing the available loan money year by year will force colleges to reduce their prices or lose students without causing a catastrophic crash.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2026 01:07 PM (vJrRc)
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Federal loan limits were codified into statute by the OBBB.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:07 PM (I7axw)
Posted by: wth at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (UjdFS)
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How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
I picked good at 23 but it wasn't wisdom, it was dumb luck or divine providence.
But I was smart enough to follow my nose. A complete imbecile otherwise which shouldn't surprise anyone.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
I picked good at 23 but it wasn't wisdom, it was dumb luck or divine providence.
But I was smart enough to follow my nose. A complete imbecile otherwise which shouldn't surprise anyone.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (3R4hO)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (nEUC6)
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Medical schools make sure there is no overproduction of doctors. (Though many believe that they have become an unreasonably restrictive cartel, under-producing doctors to make sure that every doctor, no matter how unskilled, becomes wealthy.)
And then hospitals hire foreign H1-Bs because the US has a shortage.
Overproduction of doctors would be better.
And then hospitals hire foreign H1-Bs because the US has a shortage.
Overproduction of doctors would be better.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (vJrRc)
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You can open up 500 more medical schools, and I don't think enrollment would be much higher.
Lots of whites and Asians are rejected from medical schools, with superior credentials to many minorities who are accepted to medical schools.
Lots of whites and Asians are rejected from medical schools, with superior credentials to many minorities who are accepted to medical schools.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (aD4fx)
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I picked good at 23 but it wasn't wisdom, it was dumb luck or divine providence.
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Divine providence with me.
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Divine providence with me.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (X7pZH)
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The student loan industry is a handout to universities.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:09 PM (3R4hO)
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221 Not all of us can be Bob Fosse.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
Thavage, girl.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (nEUC6)
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Dude got all the trim, was hailed as a genius, smoked like a chimney, drank like a sailor, and projected to the world that he was a giant fuck up who kept getting to do his own thing in his preferred field.
Ain't no insult.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
Thavage, girl.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (nEUC6)
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Dude got all the trim, was hailed as a genius, smoked like a chimney, drank like a sailor, and projected to the world that he was a giant fuck up who kept getting to do his own thing in his preferred field.
Ain't no insult.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:09 PM (I7axw)
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She had no loans, because she was a chemistry student, and they usually get stipends because their skills are in demand.
She was never not working, but she went part-time. Our bottom line was reduced accordingly.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (Riz8
So someone else paid her tuition and upkeep for 8 or 10 years. I can see how that would be a success.
How do you apply this to an MBA, or a degree in forestry?
She was never not working, but she went part-time. Our bottom line was reduced accordingly.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:01 PM (Riz8
So someone else paid her tuition and upkeep for 8 or 10 years. I can see how that would be a success.
How do you apply this to an MBA, or a degree in forestry?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:09 PM (rbvCR)
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Divine providence with me.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (X7pZH)
And him.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (X7pZH)
And him.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:09 PM (3R4hO)
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218 216 I'd heard that they were going to limit the amount offered to students every year as well.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
That said, reducing the available loan money year by year will force colleges to reduce their prices or lose students without causing a catastrophic crash.
Posted by: FeatherBlade
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Graduate programs mostly. Especially those that are not financially sustainable by graduates. That is why social work is screaming about them. The MSW in social work has been the de facto credential to get into the system.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
That said, reducing the available loan money year by year will force colleges to reduce their prices or lose students without causing a catastrophic crash.
Posted by: FeatherBlade
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Graduate programs mostly. Especially those that are not financially sustainable by graduates. That is why social work is screaming about them. The MSW in social work has been the de facto credential to get into the system.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:09 PM (E4rtv)
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"College experience" A wildly expensive bacchanal with profligate sex, drunken debauchery, even more drunken Spring breaks, etc. Wonderful experience, especially for girls.
Posted by: Visit The Girls Gone Wild RV!! You'll Be Famous!! at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (Fn+3X)
As the late poet Jimmy Buffett wrote:
They send you off to college
To gain a little knowledge
But all you want to do is
Learn how to score!
Posted by: Visit The Girls Gone Wild RV!! You'll Be Famous!! at September 29, 2026 01:06 PM (Fn+3X)
As the late poet Jimmy Buffett wrote:
They send you off to college
To gain a little knowledge
But all you want to do is
Learn how to score!
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (wVcYX)
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How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
I sure as hell wasn't, but fortunately for me, I have a repellant personality and all the women I lusted after told me to pound sand.
I sure as hell wasn't, but fortunately for me, I have a repellant personality and all the women I lusted after told me to pound sand.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (Riz8t)
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Man. Jason Arday.
I need to go check online to see how his resurrection is going.
It was under 'Special Skills' on his resume.
I need to go check online to see how his resurrection is going.
It was under 'Special Skills' on his resume.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 105 years old - puppy at heart at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (Sco7b)
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Lots of whites and Asians are rejected from medical schools, with superior credentials to many minorities who are accepted to medical schools.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (aD4fx)
"white kid from a country-club family doesn't get into medical school" is the term I heard once.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 29, 2026 01:08 PM (aD4fx)
"white kid from a country-club family doesn't get into medical school" is the term I heard once.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (rbvCR)
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Remember that Jason Arday got a degree in sociology studies or something like that.
Posted by: dantesed at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Oy/m2)
I believe that he's been declared the Father of Sociology Studies and Shit.
Posted by: dantesed at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Oy/m2)
I believe that he's been declared the Father of Sociology Studies and Shit.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (ExV1e)
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Someone point to me where I can find a pool of fraudulent tax-payer moneys. Getting tired of going to work every day.
Posted by: Cray Cray at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (eag3e)
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I just look at so many of the women that think they are "girl boss" type executives and it's a joke.
I think AI will wipe out a lot of these types of "girl jobs" in the very near future where it's a lot of emails and meetings about nothing.
Posted by: Leupold
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I'm aware that some of these jobs existed thanks to an old Twitter post in which some young woman was flouting her free food , free relaxation time on a rooftop , and minimal work at none other than twitter. This was a time when jack dorsey apparently was flush with twitter money and he spent it very unwisely.
Other than that , i've never seen these girl jobs or girl bosses. I've worked for female managers , but they were managers who happened to be female. I think the vast majority of this girl boss image is an internet or hollywood creation that bears little resemblance to reality.
I just look at so many of the women that think they are "girl boss" type executives and it's a joke.
I think AI will wipe out a lot of these types of "girl jobs" in the very near future where it's a lot of emails and meetings about nothing.
Posted by: Leupold
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I'm aware that some of these jobs existed thanks to an old Twitter post in which some young woman was flouting her free food , free relaxation time on a rooftop , and minimal work at none other than twitter. This was a time when jack dorsey apparently was flush with twitter money and he spent it very unwisely.
Other than that , i've never seen these girl jobs or girl bosses. I've worked for female managers , but they were managers who happened to be female. I think the vast majority of this girl boss image is an internet or hollywood creation that bears little resemblance to reality.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (mmrXZ)
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Such things as barbering, nail techs, and cosmetology would be better taught through an apprenticeship system.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (peOdB)
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I dig the art deco style of the federal courthouses built by the WPA. Plus, they have palatial bathrooms.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Floor-mounted urinals are to die for!
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Floor-mounted urinals are to die for!
Posted by: I.P. Freely at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (Fn+3X)
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229 218 216 I'd heard that they were going to limit the amount offered to students every year as well.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
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I think it's something like $200k-$250k.
its a start but still too high.
I read where one college university in CA instantly lowered their tuition as soon as it was passed to get under that limit for 4 years.
But I don't know where I heard that or if it's true.
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I think it's something like $200k-$250k.
its a start but still too high.
I read where one college university in CA instantly lowered their tuition as soon as it was passed to get under that limit for 4 years.
Posted by: Leupold at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (dVLbm)
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So someone else paid her tuition and upkeep for 8 or 10 years. I can see how that would be a success.
I figured you'd say something asinine like that. She was paid like any other employee who had saleable skills. I'm sorry you didn't measure up.
I figured you'd say something asinine like that. She was paid like any other employee who had saleable skills. I'm sorry you didn't measure up.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:12 PM (Riz8t)
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235 Someone point to me where I can find a pool of fraudulent tax-payer moneys. Getting tired of going to work every day.
Posted by: Cray Cray at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM
Yoo-hoo!
Posted by: Cray Cray at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM
Yoo-hoo!
Posted by: The Quality Learing Center at September 29, 2026 01:12 PM (2Ez/1)
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Neither of my boys has a college degree (yet). Both are making more $$ than I do and have serious upward mobility.
And they are happy in their work.
And they are happy in their work.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2026 01:12 PM (W2Pud)
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My FIL went to Princeton and he sent me an article once, written by a women alum and published in whatever they call their alumni magazine. In it, she delivered the message to Princeton female students that they should all delay starting their careers, get married asap, have families, and then look for work when the kids started full time school. She argued her approach would be physically easier, because they are still young and fit, cut way down on child-care expenses, and ultimately might help their careers (not hinder), because employers would know they weren't going to stop working to raise kids just when they become valuable employees.
Princeton exploded in controversy. She was vilified. Of course, she was right but that didn't matter.
Princeton exploded in controversy. She was vilified. Of course, she was right but that didn't matter.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:12 PM (5KN7H)
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Oh boy! This is gonna be greeat!
Posted by: Zombie Flounder at September 29, 2026 01:13 PM (bX16E)
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237 Such things as barbering, nail techs, and cosmetology would be better taught through an apprenticeship system.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
As would Panhard repair and restoration.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
As would Panhard repair and restoration.
Posted by: Mr. Badwrench at September 29, 2026 01:13 PM (Fn+3X)
Posted by: Sid at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (rHWcc)
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Such things as barbering, nail techs, and cosmetology would be better taught through an apprenticeship system.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (peOdB)
Same with Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician. It's an exploding field.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (peOdB)
Same with Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician. It's an exploding field.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (5UQUM)
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As would Panhard repair and restoration.
What's a Panhard? (I feel like I'm in the Henweigh joke)
What's a Panhard? (I feel like I'm in the Henweigh joke)
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (Riz8t)
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. . . but fortunately for me, I have a repellant personality and all the women I lusted after told me to pound sand.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (Riz8t)
You too?!
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (Riz8t)
You too?!
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (wVcYX)
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Posted by: Sid at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (rHWcc)
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How will they get Trump to sign a law undoing it?
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How will they get Trump to sign a law undoing it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (I7axw)
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I figured you'd say something asinine like that. She was paid like any other employee who had saleable skills. I'm sorry you didn't measure up.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:12 PM (Riz8t)
You are being fun today, aren't you.
And what point are you making today, is it a valid point about how the world is good as it is, can be made good if only, or that you are more right than anyone else?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:12 PM (Riz8t)
You are being fun today, aren't you.
And what point are you making today, is it a valid point about how the world is good as it is, can be made good if only, or that you are more right than anyone else?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:15 PM (rbvCR)
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They can't give you their own test. They can't give you a published IQ test. They can ask if you have a HS diploma or a GED, but neither of those means anything anymore.
And we're already to the point where a 4-year sheepskin doesn't mean anything unless its in a STEM field, so I don't know where companies go next. Require a Masters degree to be a grocery clerk?
Posted by: mikeski
Actually they can give those tests but it can get expensive defending their utility in court from discrimination lawsuits. Get rid of disparate impact which Griggs created and voila, the employment tests for specific jobs will suddenly exist again.
Military got exemptions from it which is why they have the ASVAB which is pretty useful to predict success in specialties.
And we're already to the point where a 4-year sheepskin doesn't mean anything unless its in a STEM field, so I don't know where companies go next. Require a Masters degree to be a grocery clerk?
Posted by: mikeski
Actually they can give those tests but it can get expensive defending their utility in court from discrimination lawsuits. Get rid of disparate impact which Griggs created and voila, the employment tests for specific jobs will suddenly exist again.
Military got exemptions from it which is why they have the ASVAB which is pretty useful to predict success in specialties.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:15 PM (E4rtv)
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Remember that Jason Arday got a degree in sociology studies or something like that.
Posted by: dantesed at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Oy/m2)
I believe that he's been declared the Father of Sociology Studies and Shit.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
__________
He didn't hold a degree in sociology, even though that's what he was supposedly teaching. His degrees were in Education Studies (whatever that is) and Physical Education.
Posted by: dantesed at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (Oy/m2)
I believe that he's been declared the Father of Sociology Studies and Shit.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
__________
He didn't hold a degree in sociology, even though that's what he was supposedly teaching. His degrees were in Education Studies (whatever that is) and Physical Education.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 29, 2026 01:15 PM (JzUSu)
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Ask your cosmetologist if Panhard is right for you.
Posted by: Big Hairspray at September 29, 2026 01:15 PM (2Ez/1)
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If you really believe that women don't have to make trade-offs, I don't know what to tell you, other than pointing out the one I've already mentioned.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (Riz8t)
Why should everyone else subsidize women to pursue a degree that they'll only use part time? Why should we keep men out of degree programs to provide seats for women who won't use the degree? Why should men be either deprived of a job so that a woman can be hired part time, or expected to pick up the slack of women being hired part time, so that she can have a job part time?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:59 PM (Riz8t)
Why should everyone else subsidize women to pursue a degree that they'll only use part time? Why should we keep men out of degree programs to provide seats for women who won't use the degree? Why should men be either deprived of a job so that a woman can be hired part time, or expected to pick up the slack of women being hired part time, so that she can have a job part time?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:16 PM (ExV1e)
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Same with Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician. It's an exploding field.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (5UQUM)
EOD is not OJT suitable.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:14 PM (5UQUM)
EOD is not OJT suitable.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:16 PM (rbvCR)
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Military got exemptions from it which is why they have the ASVAB which is pretty useful to predict success in specialties.
Raising the question of why it's a good idea for the military but nobody else?
Raising the question of why it's a good idea for the military but nobody else?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:16 PM (Riz8t)
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Pet peeve!
People saying that polling is "data".
No, polling is statistics. There's supposed to be data underneath the statistics, but polling firms don't release the data. They release the statistics from the data.
Treating polling like "data", like it's objective, is silly.
People saying that polling is "data".
No, polling is statistics. There's supposed to be data underneath the statistics, but polling firms don't release the data. They release the statistics from the data.
Treating polling like "data", like it's objective, is silly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:16 PM (I7axw)
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The whole system is stupid. There are tons of cheap community colleges, public schools and branch campuses that can educate all the lower wage degrees. But those schools are not cool, so somehow, the taxpayers should be on the hook for 400k to produce a kindergarten teacher.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (wrEn7)
The idea that a college degree should lead to a "wage", an hourly-paid job, is wrong from the get-go. You get a degree to earn a job with a salary, or to became a consultant, paid on contract. There nothing wrong with a good hourly-paid job, and one should not need a "degree" to get one. Certificate from a vocational school, plus apprenticeship is the way to go.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 29, 2026 12:29 PM (wrEn7)
The idea that a college degree should lead to a "wage", an hourly-paid job, is wrong from the get-go. You get a degree to earn a job with a salary, or to became a consultant, paid on contract. There nothing wrong with a good hourly-paid job, and one should not need a "degree" to get one. Certificate from a vocational school, plus apprenticeship is the way to go.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2026 01:16 PM (peOdB)
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I dig the art deco style of the federal courthouses built by the WPA. Plus, they have palatial bathrooms.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Floor-mounted urinals are to die for!
Posted by: I.P. Freely at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (Fn+3X)
Y'ever wonder why the tips of your shoelaces are wet?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Floor-mounted urinals are to die for!
Posted by: I.P. Freely at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (Fn+3X)
Y'ever wonder why the tips of your shoelaces are wet?
Posted by: Capo Paulie Walnuts, while the glorified crew is eating lunch at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (wVcYX)
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231 How wise was everyone here in their late teens and early 20s? Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
I sure as hell wasn't, but fortunately for me, I have a repellant personality and all the women I lusted after told me to pound sand.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (Riz8t)
Mammy Eromero sent me to a junior college (a prep school for Bob Jones U), wanted me to be a preacher. Passed Bible Studies etc, but failed English. Kicked out, dodged the draft, and enlisted in the spring,
I sure as hell wasn't, but fortunately for me, I have a repellant personality and all the women I lusted after told me to pound sand.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:10 PM (Riz8t)
Mammy Eromero sent me to a junior college (a prep school for Bob Jones U), wanted me to be a preacher. Passed Bible Studies etc, but failed English. Kicked out, dodged the draft, and enlisted in the spring,
Posted by: Eromero at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (LHPAg)
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>>>Why women think having a 9-5 for some souless corporation is so "great" is beyond me.
Posted by: Leupold
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In the beginning it was sold by the govt (deepstate) as a necessity because of the bad economy. To help incentives to build Day Care were built into the tax code.
At the same time a wrath of books on the glass ceiling and women's lib were published. Gloria Steinam was a CIA operative. It would not be a surprise if Betty Freidan was also on the take.
It was a total op to destabilize the family and it worked.
It's still working.
Add up all the money the average wife's income then subtract all the costs of maintaining that job. A high percentage would do as well or better if the wife stayed home and managed the house and kids.
Society would be better off too.
But that didn't fit the plan.
Posted by: Leupold
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In the beginning it was sold by the govt (deepstate) as a necessity because of the bad economy. To help incentives to build Day Care were built into the tax code.
At the same time a wrath of books on the glass ceiling and women's lib were published. Gloria Steinam was a CIA operative. It would not be a surprise if Betty Freidan was also on the take.
It was a total op to destabilize the family and it worked.
It's still working.
Add up all the money the average wife's income then subtract all the costs of maintaining that job. A high percentage would do as well or better if the wife stayed home and managed the house and kids.
Society would be better off too.
But that didn't fit the plan.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (wljQY)
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260 Y'ever wonder why the tips of your shoelaces are wet?
Posted by: Capo Paulie Walnuts, while the glorified crew is eating lunch at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (wVcYX)
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"We have a name!"
-Aglet representative
Posted by: Capo Paulie Walnuts, while the glorified crew is eating lunch at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (wVcYX)
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"We have a name!"
-Aglet representative
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (I7axw)
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Polling is clickbait.
Posted by: And we all know it at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (2Ez/1)
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Dude got all the trim, was hailed as a genius, smoked like a chimney, drank like a sailor, and projected to the world that he was a giant fuck up who kept getting to do his own thing in his preferred field.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
precisely
Young men need role models
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
precisely
Young men need role models
Posted by: Miklos and the story of how he met his third wife at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (4RYRd)
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And who said anything about "abandoning" their career? There is a difference between working a predictable 40 or 50 hour week, and doing the insane hours required of young doctors and lawyers.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (Riz8t)
Most high powered female lawyers head to DOJ when they want to start a family - awful salary, but you get the hours you want. Men do this, too, when they want to see their families.
Life is all about trading hours, stress, and salary...
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 12:47 PM (Riz8t)
Most high powered female lawyers head to DOJ when they want to start a family - awful salary, but you get the hours you want. Men do this, too, when they want to see their families.
Life is all about trading hours, stress, and salary...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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247 Such things as barbering, nail techs, and cosmetology would be better taught through an apprenticeship system.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yep. The master gets cheap labor for a time and the apprentice learns the job. No need for an intermediate institution aimed at separating dollars from students directly.
Really, the same goes for law as well as some other professional degree fields.
The proliferation of shitty graduate degrees is because of Griggs and the societal rejection of the old tried and true methods of developing professionals on the cheap.
Associate Justice Robert Jackson comes to mind as one of the great Scotus judges and he never went to law school, he apprenticed which was allowed at the turn of the 20th century.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yep. The master gets cheap labor for a time and the apprentice learns the job. No need for an intermediate institution aimed at separating dollars from students directly.
Really, the same goes for law as well as some other professional degree fields.
The proliferation of shitty graduate degrees is because of Griggs and the societal rejection of the old tried and true methods of developing professionals on the cheap.
Associate Justice Robert Jackson comes to mind as one of the great Scotus judges and he never went to law school, he apprenticed which was allowed at the turn of the 20th century.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (E4rtv)
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The only way I would defend Disparate Impact is in getting dates with beautiful women. It's not my fault that I don't look like Mel Gibson.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (5UQUM)
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"We have a name!"
-Aglet representative
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (I7axw)
I thought the FWP thread was going to be about aiglets. I was disappointed.
-Aglet representative
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (I7axw)
I thought the FWP thread was going to be about aiglets. I was disappointed.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (rbvCR)
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It was a total op to destabilize the family and it worked.
It's still working.
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And not just that but it helped "organize" the workforce so every company could become its best HR hellhole where no one can speak or think without Karen's permission.
It's still working.
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And not just that but it helped "organize" the workforce so every company could become its best HR hellhole where no one can speak or think without Karen's permission.
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:19 PM (3R4hO)
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Such things as barbering, nail techs, and cosmetology would be better taught through an apprenticeship system.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (peOdB)
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The grift is getting the government to pay for the tuition while the "students" chill out front for 10 weeks.
Then they enroll at the place down the street and do another 10 weeks.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2026 01:11 PM (peOdB)
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The grift is getting the government to pay for the tuition while the "students" chill out front for 10 weeks.
Then they enroll at the place down the street and do another 10 weeks.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 29, 2026 01:19 PM (RIvkX)
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Underlying every poll is a couple of assumptions about turnout, by party, by demographic, and by region. It's amazing the pollsters are even paid attention, since the statistical analysis is built entirely on those WAG's.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:19 PM (5KN7H)
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Add up all the money the average wife's income then subtract all the costs of maintaining that job. A high percentage would do as well or better if the wife stayed home and managed the house and kids.
Society would be better off too.
But that didn't fit the plan.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (wljQY)
True...unless the husband leaves her...then she's absolutely screwed...
This has been a problem the last 30-40 years. It's why there was originally such strong alimony in the days of 1 parent working culture...
Society would be better off too.
But that didn't fit the plan.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2026 01:17 PM (wljQY)
True...unless the husband leaves her...then she's absolutely screwed...
This has been a problem the last 30-40 years. It's why there was originally such strong alimony in the days of 1 parent working culture...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:19 PM (tOcjL)
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Ask your cosmetologist if Panhard is right for you.
Posted by: Big Hairspray at September 29, 2026 01:15 PM (2Ez/1)
I'm a Dapper Dan man, myself. I don't want no Fop.
Posted by: Big Hairspray at September 29, 2026 01:15 PM (2Ez/1)
I'm a Dapper Dan man, myself. I don't want no Fop.
Posted by: Ulysses Everett McGill at September 29, 2026 01:20 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 29, 2026 01:20 PM (4NO2D)
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272 Underlying every poll is a couple of assumptions about turnout, by party, by demographic, and by region. It's amazing the pollsters are even paid attention, since the statistical analysis is built entirely on those WAG's.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:19 PM (5KN7H)
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"20% of voters in 2026 won't have voted in 2024. They'll be new voters."
-a shocking amount of polling this year
Historical average says 2% will be non-voters from 2024, essentially the few 18-20 year olds who decide to vote and a handful of others.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:19 PM (5KN7H)
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"20% of voters in 2026 won't have voted in 2024. They'll be new voters."
-a shocking amount of polling this year
Historical average says 2% will be non-voters from 2024, essentially the few 18-20 year olds who decide to vote and a handful of others.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (I7axw)
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Why should everyone else subsidize women to pursue a degree that they'll only use part time?
Again, who subsidized her? She was paid for hours worked, like any employee.
Why should we keep men out of degree programs to provide seats for women who won't use the degree?
Who said anything about keeping men out of degree programs. She was where she was because she was better than they were.
Why should men be either deprived of a job so that a woman can be hired part time, or expected to pick up the slack of women being hired part time, so that she can have a job part time?
You keep using words like "deprived". She wasn't hired with the expectation of being part-time, but when the situation arose, they thought enough of her to adapt. That's generally the mark of a smart outfit. Nobody "picked up" her hours.
Finally, as I've already said, if you think the fertility crisis really is existential, and I do, then it makes sense to make accommodations, or you'll end up like Korea or China.
Again, who subsidized her? She was paid for hours worked, like any employee.
Why should we keep men out of degree programs to provide seats for women who won't use the degree?
Who said anything about keeping men out of degree programs. She was where she was because she was better than they were.
Why should men be either deprived of a job so that a woman can be hired part time, or expected to pick up the slack of women being hired part time, so that she can have a job part time?
You keep using words like "deprived". She wasn't hired with the expectation of being part-time, but when the situation arose, they thought enough of her to adapt. That's generally the mark of a smart outfit. Nobody "picked up" her hours.
Finally, as I've already said, if you think the fertility crisis really is existential, and I do, then it makes sense to make accommodations, or you'll end up like Korea or China.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (Riz8t)
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Mammy Eromero sent me to a junior college (a prep school for Bob Jones U), wanted me to be a preacher. Passed Bible Studies etc, but failed English. Kicked out, dodged the draft, and enlisted in the spring,
Posted by: Eromero
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Set all that failing and pivoting in childbearing and early motherhood , and you'll see why it might not be such a good idea to start in your late teens or early 20s.
By the way, I'm not arguing with you, E , i'm using your experience as an example
Mammy Eromero sent me to a junior college (a prep school for Bob Jones U), wanted me to be a preacher. Passed Bible Studies etc, but failed English. Kicked out, dodged the draft, and enlisted in the spring,
Posted by: Eromero
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Set all that failing and pivoting in childbearing and early motherhood , and you'll see why it might not be such a good idea to start in your late teens or early 20s.
By the way, I'm not arguing with you, E , i'm using your experience as an example
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (mmrXZ)
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264 Polling is clickbait.
Posted by: And we all know it
Worse, I think some future investigations will show polling firms or individuals working for them intentionally manipulating results in order to make bank on prediction betting markets. I also would hold it likely that Democrats and ngos, etc. are also involved in payola scheme for the polltakers nowadays--gimme this freebie result this election and I will hire your firm for private candidate polling later sort of thing.
Posted by: And we all know it
Worse, I think some future investigations will show polling firms or individuals working for them intentionally manipulating results in order to make bank on prediction betting markets. I also would hold it likely that Democrats and ngos, etc. are also involved in payola scheme for the polltakers nowadays--gimme this freebie result this election and I will hire your firm for private candidate polling later sort of thing.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (E4rtv)
280
Wait, what's a Henweigh?
Posted by: Like a Steinway? at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (Fn+3X)
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>>What's a Panhard? (I feel like I'm in the Henweigh joke)
This is a running ONT joke between Miklos & AOP. Also, Style Guide sez it's 'The Wretched Panhard'.
This is a running ONT joke between Miklos & AOP. Also, Style Guide sez it's 'The Wretched Panhard'.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (NcvvS)
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279 Worse, I think some future investigations will show polling firms or individuals working for them intentionally manipulating results in order to make bank on prediction betting markets. I also would hold it likely that Democrats and ngos, etc. are also involved in payola scheme for the polltakers nowadays--gimme this freebie result this election and I will hire your firm for private candidate polling later sort of thing.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (E4rtv)
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Baris admitted this in a stream about the polling miss of the Massie primary.
He "accidentally" put in a bet for Massie to lose despite his polling showing that Massie was going to win.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (E4rtv)
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Baris admitted this in a stream about the polling miss of the Massie primary.
He "accidentally" put in a bet for Massie to lose despite his polling showing that Massie was going to win.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (I7axw)
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As I gently weep, remembering the touch of AOP's socket wrench.....
Posted by: the Wretched Panhard at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (4RYRd)
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Many state universities will not.accept.community. college credits
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (bX16E)
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My granddaughter has her heart set on becoming a psychologist. She wants to go all the way to through the PhD program. I fear this may be one of the no hope majors. Unless, of course, she changes her mind(which I hope she does).
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (lJ0H4)
My youngest wanted to be an architect. I asked them to determine how much it would cost to get the required degree. Then I asked them how much they could reasonably expect to make... not how much it was theoretically possible to make if they hit the lottery, how much was reasonable.
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (lJ0H4)
My youngest wanted to be an architect. I asked them to determine how much it would cost to get the required degree. Then I asked them how much they could reasonably expect to make... not how much it was theoretically possible to make if they hit the lottery, how much was reasonable.
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (ExV1e)
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It's too many foreigners crowding into the space. Go to almost any hospital in the country, and you'll wonder whether you're still in America.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I brought that subject up this past weekend, I read an article about a Rochester, NY hospital that had an incoming class of 58 new internal med residents. Of the 58 only 2 were American, 2 of 58.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I brought that subject up this past weekend, I read an article about a Rochester, NY hospital that had an incoming class of 58 new internal med residents. Of the 58 only 2 were American, 2 of 58.
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:23 PM (lJ0H4)
287
There's a certain subset of men who believe that if they tell any woman anything she doesn't already believe they'll never have sex again.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
What, I wonder, could have led a certain subset of men to reach that conclusion?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2026 12:57 PM (2ocoG)
What, I wonder, could have led a certain subset of men to reach that conclusion?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 29, 2026 01:23 PM (gLYp7)
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Polling is cover for fraud among many other things.
And what do you think it is when legislation supposedly has "polling" and 'popular support" behind it?
How does anyone know? And considering you can't talk to anyone about politics anymore (FNAB), how would anyone surmise anything contrary to the "numbers"?
And what do you think it is when legislation supposedly has "polling" and 'popular support" behind it?
How does anyone know? And considering you can't talk to anyone about politics anymore (FNAB), how would anyone surmise anything contrary to the "numbers"?
Posted by: ... at September 29, 2026 01:23 PM (3R4hO)
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Many state universities will not.accept.community. college credits
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM
From the same state? I mean, they have the same accreditation board.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM
From the same state? I mean, they have the same accreditation board.
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 29, 2026 01:23 PM (4NO2D)
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Most high powered female lawyers head to DOJ when they want to start a family - awful salary, but you get the hours you want. Men do this, too, when they want to see their families.
Life is all about trading hours, stress, and salary...
You are correct, ma'am! It's all about trade-offs, and anyone that tells you they have a one-size-fits-all solution, or who tells you you can have it all, is selling something.
Life is all about trading hours, stress, and salary...
You are correct, ma'am! It's all about trade-offs, and anyone that tells you they have a one-size-fits-all solution, or who tells you you can have it all, is selling something.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:24 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Paul at September 29, 2026 01:24 PM (vyRce)
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No fertility crisis here. My Compost Heap is 8'X20'.
Posted by: Fragile Eggshell Mind at September 29, 2026 01:24 PM (Fn+3X)
293
Shut up, dunce.
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 29, 2026 01:24 PM (4NO2D)
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Was everyone here wise enough to pick the right spouse? That's important to raising kids properly.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
If I married the woman I was dating at 25, my life would have been destroyed.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (mmrXZ)
If I married the woman I was dating at 25, my life would have been destroyed.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 29, 2026 01:25 PM (gLYp7)
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My youngest wanted to be an architect. I asked them to determine how much it would cost to get the required degree. Then I asked them how much they could reasonably expect to make... not how much it was theoretically possible to make if they hit the lottery, how much was reasonable.
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (ExV1e)
This is what my 3rd hopes to be doing...and he can replicate any building by sight...but architecture is declining and civil engineering is not, so he's likely going to a school that doesn't even have an architecture degree (although he has taken CC Architecture courses already as a dual enrollee)...
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (ExV1e)
This is what my 3rd hopes to be doing...and he can replicate any building by sight...but architecture is declining and civil engineering is not, so he's likely going to a school that doesn't even have an architecture degree (although he has taken CC Architecture courses already as a dual enrollee)...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:25 PM (tOcjL)
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Most high powered female lawyers head to DOJ when they want to start a family - awful salary, but you get the hours you want. Men do this, too, when they want to see their families.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:25 PM (wgnaQ)
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My youngest wanted to be an architect. I asked them to determine how much it would cost to get the required degree. Then I asked them how much they could reasonably expect to make... not how much it was theoretically possible to make if they hit the lottery, how much was reasonable.
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Yeah, my niece majored in psychology and realized that was a dead end so went law school instead. Now she's a successful attorney.
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Yeah, my niece majored in psychology and realized that was a dead end so went law school instead. Now she's a successful attorney.
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:25 PM (lJ0H4)
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Again, who subsidized her? She was paid for hours worked, like any employee.
It seems that she got a full ride to produce like a man would in her position, but she ducked out instead to have kids.
Do you think that is fair to whoever paid her free ride, or do you think that it was something she deserved as a woman?
I mean, if we are going to be talking in absolutes.
It seems that she got a full ride to produce like a man would in her position, but she ducked out instead to have kids.
Do you think that is fair to whoever paid her free ride, or do you think that it was something she deserved as a woman?
I mean, if we are going to be talking in absolutes.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:26 PM (rbvCR)
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My granddaughter has her heart set on becoming a psychologist. She wants to go all the way to through the PhD program. I fear this may be one of the no hope majors. Unless, of course, she changes her mind(which I hope she does).
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (lJ0H4)
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My sister did that and got her PhD. It's a long and expensive road with no guarantees at the end.
My sis ended up working at CUNY in her field and making a very nice income. But the income isn't what you'd think given how much time and money she put into getting the degree.
She is married and has 4 kids, though. So the job was a good trade-off between hours and income.
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:02 PM (lJ0H4)
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My sister did that and got her PhD. It's a long and expensive road with no guarantees at the end.
My sis ended up working at CUNY in her field and making a very nice income. But the income isn't what you'd think given how much time and money she put into getting the degree.
She is married and has 4 kids, though. So the job was a good trade-off between hours and income.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2026 01:26 PM (iFTx/)
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I chose a good spouse but to be honest, I don't believe in 'soul mates'. I could have been happily married to a lot of women I dated.
Some guys are just born to be happily married.
Some guys are just born to be happily married.
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 29, 2026 01:27 PM (4NO2D)
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Most high powered female lawyers head to DOJ when they want to start a family - awful salary, but you get the hours you want. Men do this, too, when they want to see their families.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
Then maybe the somewhere else should consider doing it. A company lives or dies by the quality of its employees. Why you wouldn't want to accommodate high performers for a time is beyond me.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
Then maybe the somewhere else should consider doing it. A company lives or dies by the quality of its employees. Why you wouldn't want to accommodate high performers for a time is beyond me.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:27 PM (Riz8t)
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>>Posted by: the Wretched Panhard at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM (4RYRd)
Just 2 comments later :-)
Just 2 comments later :-)
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 01:27 PM (NcvvS)
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296 Most high powered female lawyers head to DOJ when they want to start a family - awful salary, but you get the hours you want. Men do this, too, when they want to see their families.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:25 PM (wgnaQ)
There are AUSA (aka DOJ) offices all over the US, not just NoVA and DC...they pay better than similar county and state positions, but still terribly. But tend to give the 40 hour/week predictable schedule...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:18 PM (tOcjL)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 01:25 PM (wgnaQ)
There are AUSA (aka DOJ) offices all over the US, not just NoVA and DC...they pay better than similar county and state positions, but still terribly. But tend to give the 40 hour/week predictable schedule...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2026 01:27 PM (tOcjL)
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Add up all the money the average wife's income then subtract all the costs of maintaining that job. A high percentage would do as well or better if the wife stayed home and managed the house and kids.
Society would be better off too.
But that didn't fit the plan.
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So how do we tax your stay at home wife?
Society would be better off too.
But that didn't fit the plan.
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So how do we tax your stay at home wife?
Posted by: IRS - you are tax cattle nothing else means anything at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM (anL5R)
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CUNY
Hmmm, I wonder what the appropriate abbreviation for City University of New Trier would be?
Hmmm, I wonder what the appropriate abbreviation for City University of New Trier would be?
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM (5UQUM)
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I wanted to be an architect, marine biologist, latex salesman, sports executive, failed at all four. Only success was on the Board of The Human Fund.
Posted by: Please Donate Generously at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM (Fn+3X)
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Set all that failing and pivoting in childbearing and early motherhood , and you'll see why it might not be such a good idea to start in your late teens or early 20s.
By the way, I'm not arguing with you, E , i'm using your experience as an example
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (mmrXZ)
Agree 100%! HS grad goes in the service, finishes as an adult, goes to school on GI Bill.
By the way, I'm not arguing with you, E , i'm using your experience as an example
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at September 29, 2026 01:21 PM (mmrXZ)
Agree 100%! HS grad goes in the service, finishes as an adult, goes to school on GI Bill.
Posted by: Eromero at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM (LHPAg)
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New one:
Fauci Infected African Monkeys with Aerosolized Ebola.
His Primary Fear? Not an Ebola Outbreak. Just That the Public Would Find Out About His Faucistein Experimentations.
Fauci Infected African Monkeys with Aerosolized Ebola.
His Primary Fear? Not an Ebola Outbreak. Just That the Public Would Find Out About His Faucistein Experimentations.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:29 PM (Riz8t)
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literally all the girls my daughter's age (which is young 20s) have already retired to be moms!
I think that happens A LOT. some go back after the kids are older? maybe?
Posted by: Black Orchid
That's how it used to be. Women would pick up teaching jobs one their kids were in school.
... of course before that, before industrialized schooling, girls who had just finished schooling would teach younger children.
and before that families brought in tutors, or, I suppose, sent their kids to the convent if they decided they needed schooling.
I think that happens A LOT. some go back after the kids are older? maybe?
Posted by: Black Orchid
That's how it used to be. Women would pick up teaching jobs one their kids were in school.
... of course before that, before industrialized schooling, girls who had just finished schooling would teach younger children.
and before that families brought in tutors, or, I suppose, sent their kids to the convent if they decided they needed schooling.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2026 01:29 PM (vJrRc)
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So how do we tax your stay at home wife?
Posted by: IRS - you are tax cattle nothing else means anything at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM (anL5R)
You laugh, but this was a valid question at the IRS for a while.
Posted by: IRS - you are tax cattle nothing else means anything at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM (anL5R)
You laugh, but this was a valid question at the IRS for a while.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2026 01:30 PM (rbvCR)
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My youngest wanted to be an architect. I asked them to determine ...Then I asked them how much they could reasonably expect to make... not how much it was theoretically possible to make if they hit the lottery, how much was reasonable.
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
And the Multiple Personality Disorder was FREE
They did that research, thought about things for a bit, and now they're a civil engineer.
And the Multiple Personality Disorder was FREE
Posted by: a Plurality of Miklosii at September 29, 2026 01:30 PM (4RYRd)
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So how do we tax your stay at home wife?
Posted by: IRS - you are tax cattle nothing else means anything at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM
Employment Equivalence Units?
Posted by: IRS - you are tax cattle nothing else means anything at September 29, 2026 01:28 PM
Employment Equivalence Units?
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 29, 2026 01:31 PM (4NO2D)
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I want to be an Electical Engineer!
Posted by: Lionel Jefferson, Trolling Archie Bunker at September 29, 2026 01:31 PM (Fn+3X)
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Apropos of nothing I've decided that I am an Emotional Support Human for my dog.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 29, 2026 01:31 PM (5UQUM)
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College as a SOE is bad news. Anything as a SOE spells disaster though.
Posted by: The Sheep of Piddington at September 29, 2026 01:31 PM (czfTj)
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289 Many state universities will not.accept.community. college credits
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM
From the same state? I mean, they have the same accreditation board.
Posted by: toby928(c)
Private schools are notorious for not doing so. State Universities, it depends on whether the community college has ties and whether the courses that the community college offers fit into existing 4 year degree plans. My particular state requires all state institutions to accept two year degrees from community colleges as fulfilling the general education curriculum. But not advanced junior or senior level classes. Pretty much the same with AP/IB, etc.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 29, 2026 01:22 PM
From the same state? I mean, they have the same accreditation board.
Posted by: toby928(c)
Private schools are notorious for not doing so. State Universities, it depends on whether the community college has ties and whether the courses that the community college offers fit into existing 4 year degree plans. My particular state requires all state institutions to accept two year degrees from community colleges as fulfilling the general education curriculum. But not advanced junior or senior level classes. Pretty much the same with AP/IB, etc.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2026 01:31 PM (E4rtv)
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One of the big problems with govt-funded/approved student loans is that a sizeable part of the student body uses loan money as subsidies for Party Time.
Plus, when they get their BA degree and can't find work, they continue the vicious cycle with post-grad borrowing for multiple Masters or Doctorate degrees, and they live on the loans and the pittance they get for being a TA, while spending most of their time smoking weed and pontificating at the local coffee shop on the evils of capitalism.
On the other hand, there's a lot of coeds who have found the magic income factory known as OnlyFans.... Which was lucrative for awhile, but it's declining as a means of "earning" income as it becomes dominated with mid-30s and later wimmens who have figured out how to properly set up lights in their bedroom to create decently composed spank photos.
One of the big problems with govt-funded/approved student loans is that a sizeable part of the student body uses loan money as subsidies for Party Time.
Plus, when they get their BA degree and can't find work, they continue the vicious cycle with post-grad borrowing for multiple Masters or Doctorate degrees, and they live on the loans and the pittance they get for being a TA, while spending most of their time smoking weed and pontificating at the local coffee shop on the evils of capitalism.
On the other hand, there's a lot of coeds who have found the magic income factory known as OnlyFans.... Which was lucrative for awhile, but it's declining as a means of "earning" income as it becomes dominated with mid-30s and later wimmens who have figured out how to properly set up lights in their bedroom to create decently composed spank photos.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 29, 2026 01:32 PM (y9nCu)
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Looking at the recent graduates from the local branch of UNC, I find that a remarkable percentage of the female majors are Psychology.
Field of Study Number of Completers Men Women
Psychology 88 20 68
Field of Study Number of Completers Men Women
Psychology 88 20 68
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 29, 2026 01:32 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Paul at September 29, 2026 01:32 PM (K1Ed3)
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Many state universities will not.accept.community. college credits
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
Worse, they'll accept them, but only as "elective" credits and nothing that contributes to the completion of the degree
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
Worse, they'll accept them, but only as "elective" credits and nothing that contributes to the completion of the degree
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2026 01:33 PM (vJrRc)
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Boy928 was one English credit short of his BS in Chemistry but had already moved on from wanting to work in that field. I had to beg him to take it at a local community college so that he would finish his degree and get the graduation walk for his grandparents to see.
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 29, 2026 01:34 PM (4NO2D)
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On the other hand, there's a lot of coeds who have found the magic income factory known as OnlyFans.... Which was lucrative for awhile, but it's declining as a means of "earning" income as it becomes dominated with mid-30s and later wimmens who have figured out how to properly set up lights in their bedroom to create decently composed spank photos.
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Oh wait, we think this is marvelous and look forward to your tax returns....
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Oh wait, we think this is marvelous and look forward to your tax returns....
Posted by: IRS - you are tax cattle nothing else means anything at September 29, 2026 01:34 PM (anL5R)
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Field of Study Number of Completers Men Women
Psychology 88 20 68
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW I WON'T TELL YOU
Psychology 88 20 68
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW I WON'T TELL YOU
Posted by: a perfect 68/68 at September 29, 2026 01:36 PM (4RYRd)
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Nood.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 29, 2026 01:37 PM (NcvvS)
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Mood. More Fauci
Posted by: Tuna at September 29, 2026 01:37 PM (lJ0H4)
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True...unless the husband leaves her...then she's absolutely screwed...
This has been a problem the last 30-40 years. It's why there was originally such strong alimony in the days of 1 parent working culture...
Posted by: Nova Local
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Good reason to pick your spouse wisely and to honor the contract.
This has been a problem the last 30-40 years. It's why there was originally such strong alimony in the days of 1 parent working culture...
Posted by: Nova Local
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Good reason to pick your spouse wisely and to honor the contract.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2026 01:47 PM (wljQY)
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Maybe in northern Virginia, but no where else.
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Then maybe the somewhere else should consider doing it. A company lives or dies by the quality of its employees. Why you wouldn't want to accommodate high performers for a time is beyond me.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:27 PM (Riz8t)
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New to me is this suggestion private business should emulate government work hours.
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Then maybe the somewhere else should consider doing it. A company lives or dies by the quality of its employees. Why you wouldn't want to accommodate high performers for a time is beyond me.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2026 01:27 PM (Riz8t)
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New to me is this suggestion private business should emulate government work hours.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2026 02:03 PM (LY8iJ)
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I kind of disagree with this government regulation. What it implicitly means is that our government is injecting itself into economic outcome regulation. If an individual gets a student loan in a non-productive, personal economic growth field and cannot make a living, to bad for them. Pay the piper!
That said. Our government should not be in the business of providing student loans in the first place. It just creates the ability for graft. But those individuals who have the debt, pay up! Let's just watch the post high school education system implode back to providing useful education to those who seek it.
That said. Our government should not be in the business of providing student loans in the first place. It just creates the ability for graft. But those individuals who have the debt, pay up! Let's just watch the post high school education system implode back to providing useful education to those who seek it.
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