Possible Suspect in 1982 Tylenol Cyanide Poisoning Named

This article recalls the 1982 Tylenol killings and the national panic it caused.

It turns out tomorrow is the 44th anniversary of the first death:

On Sept. 29, 1982, seventh-grader Mary Ann Kellerman complained to her parents of a sore throat. In turn, she took an Extra-Strength Tylenol to ease her symptoms. However, her condition became much worse. Adam Janus, a postal worker, similarly took Tylenol and was unable to wake up from his nap. He was taken to the emergency room in critical condition and unfortunately passed away in the hospital.

A California chemist who had worked with Lockheed Martin killed himself months after the Chicago-area Tylenol poisonings.

He killed himself in an Idaho church. At the time, his identity was unknown. Police called him the "Unknown Wanderer." He had $1900 in cash in his pocket with instructions to use the money to pay for his cremation. The note was signed "Wm. L. Toomey," but no man of that name was found to exist.

His method of suicide was taking cyanide. But it was a different form of cyanide than that used to poison the Tylenol capsules. That can be explained away by wanting to hide his identity as the killer (if he is the killer).

Reportedly, he told coworkers that he thought cyanide would be an effective way to kill people without being caught.

Maybe this is the killer.

But maybe not.

A man found dead in a church halfway across the country may have suddenly unlocked the key -- quite literally -- to one of America's most famous unsolved crimes.

On Dec. 4, 1982, a parishioner at Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Boise found a man collapsed under a pew. She had worked as a nurse, so she quickly recognized the man was either dying or already dead. A priest was summoned to give his last rites, and police came not long after. In the dead man's pockets were a typed suicide note and $1,900. The note said the money was enough to cover his cremation and any additional funds should be donated to the church. It was signed Wm. L. Toomey.

No such man existed. His fingerprints came up empty for matches, and it seemed like his sandy-colored hair might have been a dye job to conceal his appearance. Even a feature on "Unsolved Mysteries" in 1990 did nothing to uncover the identity of the man dubbed the Unknown Wanderer. All that was known for sure was that he had used cyanide to kill himself.
The case went cold, but in 2019 Ada County Sheriff's Office cold case investigator Tim Cooper took a fresh look at the evidence. Among the items preserved since 1982 was an engraved key found in the man's possession. Cooper traced it to a neighborhood in Jacksonville, Fla. He learned a homeowner there disappeared in 1982, and he was eventually declared dead in absentia. His name was Dr. Mathew Betkouski.
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But although he had a successful career, working at one point for Lockheed Martin on a NASA-related project in New Mexico, Betkouski had a reputation for making unsettling comments. Former coworkers told Cooper that Betkouski spoke of how to commit a "perfect crime," had a "history of volatility" and referenced cyanide as an ideal way to kill without detection. He also mentioned putting poison in over-the-counter medication, an especially worrisome comment coming from someone who had worked in multiple drugstores.
"It was said that Dr. Betkouski attempted to obtain some type of pills or capsules from a pharmacy in the Las Cruces area," Cooper said at a press conference last week. "He said this would be for an experiment. For reasons not fully understood, Dr. Betkouski created a disturbance at the location and the police were summoned."
Less than three months before Betkouski killed himself, a national terror was unfolding in Chicago. In late September 1982, seven people took over-the-counter Tylenol for their usual aches and pains. The capsules had been opened and filled with potassium cyanide, killing the people who took them. The crimes sent widespread panic throughout the country. At the time, tamper-proof seals were not standard, and investigators believed someone had swapped in the poison after the bottles were placed on shelves. Johnson & Johnson issued one of the largest pharmaceutical recalls in American history as investigators tried to find the culprit.
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Now, Ada County detectives think Betkouski may be a compelling suspect. He and his wife divorced the year before the Tylenol murders, and he killed himself in the months after the Chicago cases.

Authorities in Idaho have revealed a possible break in the 1982 Tylenol murders, that terrified the nation over 40 years ago. @AaronKatersky has details on the new developments in another unsolved cold case that may finally lead to a suspect. https://t.co/d1iHC13tSU pic.twitter.com/u68ubAx5j9
— World News Tonight (@ABCWorldNews) September 24, 2026

So is this the guy? Since I jumped on the "Black Dahlia Zodiac" story too quickly, I'll reserve judgment.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:12 PM

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1 wow

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:13 PM (mmrXZ)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:13 PM (ccf/V)

3 Centered......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:13 PM (ccf/V)

4 If the media is saying it's not him, it's him.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:14 PM (ZJQBk)

5 Cyanide, huh? Maybe we can all learn something.

Posted by: Five UK Nationals at September 28, 2026 01:14 PM (4hx56)

6 I remember this well. Maybe this is why I never take capsules if there is an alternative.

Posted by: huerfano at September 28, 2026 01:15 PM (2Xqig)

7
o o

Posted by: wth at September 28, 2026 01:17 PM (UjdFS)

8
There's a documentary on the Tylenol murders on Netflix. If you like that sort of thing.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:17 PM (mmrXZ)

9 I remember this. And, not unlike taking off your shoes at airport security, this led to tamper proof pill bottles.

Posted by: Are you sure about this sir? at September 28, 2026 01:18 PM (U/7CP)

10 Tylenol is toxic even without the cyanide. A leading cause of liver failure.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 28, 2026 01:18 PM (JzUSu)

11 Hard to believe that we used to live in such a high-trust society before this that bottles on the shelf had no anti-tamper seal on them.

I think also, this was the impetus for the cotton in the top.

To fix that, what we need is more people in this country who aren't required to assimilate and are fed a steady diet of hate against Americans.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:18 PM (3cUTc)

12 He was in a Catholic church with enough money to be cremated. I don't think he was Catholic.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:19 PM (k550y)

13 This was about the same time we started hearing about razorblades in the Caramel Apples people would give out on Halloween.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:20 PM (vNne8)

14 How will Sunny Hoskins make this about her?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2026 01:20 PM (nK5/c)

15 Remember a few years back some influencer crying about racking up felonies because they thought it funny to go into a store and contaminate the food?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (3cUTc)

16 I thought the article was a somewhat tortured attempt to connect the dead guy found in a church in a different city to the tylenol murders cold case. The article I read said he was previously ruled out as a suspect and investigators found cyanide he made, but it wasn't linked to the cyanide found in the tylenol capsules.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (cWLG3)

17 I have it on good authority that Elon Musk has now been implicated in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (Riz8t)

18 "Innocent, by reason of insanity. Let him go FREE"

Not sure the Clancy Karens would support a male though. Plus ... well, he's dead.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (vbXSk)

19 I think also, this was the impetus for the cotton in the top.

There's a joke in here somewhere.

Posted by: Proud Black Man at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (PkrKm)

20 There's a documentary on the Tylenol murders on Netflix. If you like that sort of thing.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:17 PM (mmrXZ)

How do they blame Trump and make sure the Owebama's get credit for the possible solving of the cold case?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (ccf/V)

21 Cyanide saved me from the gallows . I recommend it.

Posted by: Zombie Herman Goering at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (mrbF1)

22 Back then, you were 10x more likely to get crushed at a Who Concert than you were to receive an apple with a razorblade in it.

But, still...panic.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (vNne8)

23 So what? This is only news 44 years after the fact, with the suspect long deceased, because of media's "If it Bleeds It LEADS!" business model.

Posted by: Gref at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (5rh/l)

24 Tanned, Rested and READY!!!

Posted by: Zombie Lamont THE Big Dummy at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (ccf/V)

25 This was about the same time we started hearing about razorblades in the Caramel Apples people would give out on Halloween.
Posted by: garrett

Nah, I remember that from the 70s. And it was pretty much bogus. One guy put a razor blade in an apple in an attempt to kill his own kid, and everybody ran wild with it.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (77rzZ)

26 One detail unreleased by authorities was that the cyanide was put in the center of the capsule.

A possible clue from ace right under our noses?

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (ZJQBk)

27 The amazing thing to me about this whole episode is that the Tylenol brand survived, and now flourishes.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (bNf8H)

28 HTML tags.

How do dey werk?!?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (ccf/V)

29 >>Tylenol is toxic even without the cyanide. A leading cause of liver failure.

...and Autism.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (vNne8)

30 Ok, side bar:

How many of you have ever actually had a conversation (aside from the in jest: They'd never find the bodies. Useful things: pig farms) with someone else where you speculated on how to kill other people anonymously?

This seems to me one of those things that only happen and you look at the guy or gal saying it and think 'Hmmm, I do not have much use for this person. Plus they are creepy as fuck. Avoid in future.'

Posted by: 'British' Bobby at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (Y/06r)

31 Not sure the Clancy Karens would support a male though. Plus ... well, he's dead.
Posted by: illiniwek

Hasn't he suffered enough? He was obviously victim to mental health issues.

Posted by: Lindsay Clancy Jurors at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (PkrKm)

32 Sock off

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 28, 2026 01:23 PM (mrbF1)

33 13 This was about the same time we started hearing about razorblades in the Caramel Apples people would give out on Halloween.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:20 PM (vNne

Take the whole bag to the police station to be x-rayed. Never found anything.

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:23 PM (F9nWj)

34 The amazing thing to me about this whole episode is that the Tylenol brand survived, and now flourishes.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (bNf8H)

They're so good, women are swallowing bottle's full while pregnant to stick it to Trump and RFK Jr.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:23 PM (ccf/V)

35 Not sure the Clancy Karens would support a male though. Plus ... well, he's dead.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2026 01:21 PM (vbXSk)

I am.

Posted by: Doctor Fauci at September 28, 2026 01:23 PM (ZJQBk)

36 He was in a Catholic church with enough money to be cremated. I don't think he was Catholic.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:19 PM (k550y)

Polish surname, probably Catholic. I grew up in a neighbor hood populated with families of Eastern European ancestry (including my parents) 99% were Catholic. ALL the Polish familiies were Catholic, nearly all had a picture of the Pope on the living room wall.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (hmYU4)

37 > One guy put a razor blade in an apple in an attempt to kill his own kid, and everybody ran wild with it.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (77rzZ)

It pretty much killed off trick or treating.

They've managed to suck all the joy out of childhood, and we wonder why young people are cutting their dicks off and going postal.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (qlLNh)

38 >>>I'll reserve judgment.

You're no internet expert.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (8mulE)

39 Huh. Thought they got the person way back then.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (4KUe5)

40 Fauci tortured puppies and Clancy jurors adore him. Do not mistake them for some kind of tribalism. Their only tribe is death itself.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (ZJQBk)

41 29 >>Tylenol is toxic even without the cyanide. A leading cause of liver failure.

...and Autism.
Posted by: garrett

I can stick it to RFK jr AND give my kid superpowers?!?!?!?

(Eats whole bottle like it's candy)

Posted by: Deranged Modern Lefty Moms at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (PkrKm)

42 They never suspected and they never will

Posted by: Big Cotton Balls Inc. at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (r7+Q7)

43 HTML tags.

How do dey werk?!?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (ccf/V)

Beets meee.

Posted by: Mortimer Snerd at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (hmYU4)

44 37 > One guy put a razor blade in an apple in an attempt to kill his own kid, and everybody ran wild with it.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (77rzZ)

It pretty much killed off trick or treating.

They've managed to suck all the joy out of childhood, and we wonder why young people are cutting their dicks off and going postal.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (qlLNh)
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Halloween candy should last an entire year, not be perishable.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (cWLG3)

45 Fauci's dead????!?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (nK5/c)

46 This was about the same time we started hearing about razorblades in the Caramel Apples people would give out on Halloween.
--
Don't forget the drugs.

'cause if there's one thing druggies are known for, it's giving away their drugs.

9 out of 10 people refuse to believe that "stranger danger" is far, far less of a threat than family member.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (3cUTc)

47 The centering hath begun.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (cWLG3)

48 Fauci's dead????!?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (nK5/c)

Don't tease me like that........cuz I'll stop everything and celebrate by drinking everything in sight.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:26 PM (ccf/V)

49 Mom yanked it out of our med cabinets when the story broke. I think this was/is why to this day I shun Tylenol.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2026 01:26 PM (RORbl)

50 They never suspected and they never will
Posted by: Big Cotton Balls Inc. at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (r7+Q7)

Had us worried for a moment!

Posted by: Big Penguin at September 28, 2026 01:27 PM (rje/a)

51 They never suspected and they never will
Posted by: Big Cotton Balls Inc.

But we have the biggest balls of them all.

Posted by: AC/DC at September 28, 2026 01:28 PM (PkrKm)

52 29 >>Tylenol is toxic even without the cyanide. A leading cause of liver failure.

...and Autism.
Posted by: garrett

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Valu-rite + tylenol = liver failure

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:28 PM (cWLG3)

53 Posted by: Big Penguin at September 28, 2026 01:27 PM (rje/a)

Scientists have discovered the first new penguin species in a hundred years.

You're Even Bigger Penguin now.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

54 Aspirin > Acetaminophen

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:29 PM (Jr5Lq)

55 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (nK5/c)

I knew I wasn't gonna get away with not editing the quoted post

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:29 PM (ZJQBk)

56 Mom yanked it out of our med cabinets when the story broke. I think this was/is why to this day I shun Tylenol.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2026 01:26 PM (RORbl)

I threw our bottle away. Mom came home and I told her I did, then she kindly reminded me that we'd had that bottle for months and it wasn't a part of the recall.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:29 PM (ccf/V)

57 Don't tease me like that........cuz I'll stop everything and celebrate by drinking everything in sight.

yeah I was REALLY excited there for a second!!!

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 28, 2026 01:29 PM (j+aD2)

58 There is no justification for the Left in this thread. I like it.

Posted by: Bilwis - Wizard of Clwyd at September 28, 2026 01:29 PM (r7+Q7)

59 54 Aspirin > Acetaminophen

not for my tum-tum, sadly

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 28, 2026 01:30 PM (j+aD2)

60 Both ibuprofen and naproxen sodium can cause stomach ulcers.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:30 PM (cWLG3)

61 Many black folk suffer in silence because they don't want to pick the cotton out of the aspirin bottle like their forbears were forced to do.

Posted by: Excedrin Headache #69 at September 28, 2026 01:30 PM (Fn+3X)

62 Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 28, 2026 01:29 PM (j+aD2)

My carelessness ruined a perfectly good observation.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:30 PM (ZJQBk)

63 > ALL the Polish familiies were Catholic, nearly all had a picture of the Pope on the living room wall.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (hmYU4)

Given the shifting borders (the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was friggin' huge, to name just one default nation-state), the Poles are probably lucky they didn't wind up like the Balkans, with Catholics, Orthodox, and Muslims all mixed together.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (qlLNh)

64 I've never really used any painkiller other than aspirin.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (77rzZ)

65 > one default nation-state

"Defunct", autocorrect. "Defunct".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (qlLNh)

66 >>They never suspected and they never will
Posted by: Big Cotton Balls Inc. at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (r7+Q7)

For The Syndicate!

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (vNne8)

67 Posted by: Excedrin Headache #69 at September 28, 2026 01:30 PM (Fn+3X)

lol. Sunny Houston's latest statement?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 28, 2026 01:32 PM (JrHfD)

68 I had an old hippie in the '80's lament to me that they took the red dots out of Contact Cold Capsules. Told me the were acid and he and his friends would sit there and empty hundreds of them for it. Said there were 6 to 8 in each capsule and you needed about a spoonful to get high.
I don't know if it's true but knowing this guy I wouldn't doubt it.

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:32 PM (F9nWj)

69 re 21: himmler, auch

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 28, 2026 01:32 PM (CWTWj)

70 I've never really used any painkiller other than aspirin.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (77rzZ)

I've used most all the painkiller.......

But not morpheme. Never used that. Or fentanyl....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:32 PM (ccf/V)

71 Ah yes, I've heard about this thing. Since the tamper proof packaging has been around all my life, the idea of not having it on over the counter stuff seems kinda cooky to me.

Surprised it took until the 80's for incidents to suggest it is a prudent safety measure.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (QVS9R)

72 Valu-rite + tylenol = liver failure
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:28 PM (cWLG3)

To be honest, Valu-rite = liver failure

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (iIyc0)

73 this was one of the great news stories of my child hood because some people actually died; the razor blade thing i had heard about in the 70's but it always was more a rumor thing that got regurgitated every halloween.

Later came the great day care S*tanic s*x scandal. That was huge and but it felt like it hardly went anywhere.

Now days we take our kids to have dr*g q*eens shake their junk in our kids faces and we give them money to put in their jockstrap.

Posted by: Nelly at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (6+ehB)

74 with Catholics, Orthodox, and Muslims all mixed together.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

Lithuania-Poland had significant Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish, and even Protestant minorities, though it was majority Catholic.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (77rzZ)

75 Halloween candy should last an entire year, not be perishable.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO

I think I still have some from last year.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 28, 2026 01:34 PM (0U5gm)

76 re me at 69: eva braun, too, i think

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 28, 2026 01:34 PM (CWTWj)

77 66 >>They never suspected and they never will
Posted by: Big Cotton Balls Inc. at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (r7+Q7)

For The Syndicate!
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (vNne

--
The fat guy member of the Syndicate in the X-Files really ground my gears. I wanted someone to off his lipidinous smug mug.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:34 PM (cWLG3)

78 Still centered, in the high sixties or more.
Back to you, Chet.

Posted by: From about That Time at September 28, 2026 01:34 PM (sl73Y)

79 I've never really used any painkiller other than aspirin.
Posted by: Bulg
__________

No slapping of hot iron for you?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 28, 2026 01:34 PM (JzUSu)

80 I don't think anyone would be so clever to switch types of cyanide. That sounds like something a prosecutor comes up with when trying to convict the wrong guy

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 28, 2026 01:34 PM (FGJgZ)

81 "Halloween candy should last an entire year, not be perishable."

Jolly Rancher Green Apple filling extractor candy FTW.

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:35 PM (Jr5Lq)

82 How many types of Cyanide are there?

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:35 PM (F9nWj)

83 Jolly Rancher Green Apple filling extractor candy FTW.
Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:35 PM (Jr5Lq)

I've ripped off a crown or two with those.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (ccf/V)

84 I've used most all the painkiller.......

But not morpheme. Never used that. Or fentanyl....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Was reading through paperwork after a minor surgery a few years back. I was administered fentanyl and whatever is the stuff used to counteract it. Made me go, "Hmmmm."

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (QVS9R)

85 "New York Times tech executive, 40, killed after his elderly in-laws took TURNS shooting him in Bay Area parking lot"

My turn to shoot 'em Lizbeth!

Posted by: Troy Landry at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (J4Dwc)

86 I've had a therapeutic dose of opiate in my blood since 2006. Hasn't hurt me none.

Posted by: Mr. Natural at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (Fn+3X)

87 I've been told by several docs that it's okay to stack aspirin and acetaminophen, as they have different mechanisms of action (keeping in mind that, as others have mentioned, you definitely don't want to take too much acetaminophen).

This came in handy after one of my surgeries when I ran out of narcotics too soon and didn't want the hassle of trying to get a refill.

Speaking of, have any of you tried to get a narcotics prescription refilled in the last few decades? You'd probably have more luck growing and processing your own opium poppies. I really don't see how anyone manages to get enough of those to become addicted.

Yeah, yeah, crooked docs, etc.

But still.

It seems like you'd need a crooked doc in collusion with a crooked pharmacy to make that work.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (qlLNh)

88 Was reading through paperwork after a minor surgery a few years back. I was administered fentanyl and whatever is the stuff used to counteract it. Made me go, "Hmmmm."
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (QVS9R)

My step mom went into a panic once when my dad was in the hospital and they were administering it. I told her it was an incredibly small dose and there was nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (ccf/V)

89 Cyanide saved me from the gallows . I recommend it.
Posted by: Zombie Herman Goering

Goering was prescient. Either by accident or on purpose, those hangings were poorly carried out, and the hangees took longer to die than usual.

I think that may have been intentional.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (77rzZ)

90 So is this the guy? Since I jumped on the "Black Dahlia Zodiac" story too quickly, I'll reserve judgment.

Don't blame yourself, Ace. Lots of people want to 'solve' these classic cases. Zodiac, Jack the Ripper and Lizzie Borden alone are cottage industries.

As for me, I go along with the hypothesis that "Zodiac" never existed, the Ripper was a Pole named Aaron Kosminski and Lizzie chopped her parents up in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (qRla/)

91 had an old hippie in the '80's lament to me that they took the red dots out of Contact Cold Capsules. Told me the were acid and he and his friends would sit there and empty hundreds of them for it. Said there were 6 to 8 in each capsule and you needed about a spoonful to get high.
I don't know if it's true but knowing this guy I wouldn't doubt it.
Posted by: Reforger at

Sounds like a meth like ingredient. Probably worked.

Posted by: From about That Time at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (sl73Y)

92
How do they blame Trump and make sure the Owebama's get credit for the possible solving of the cold case?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

=================

Haha, it's a white-on-white crime so there's no Wider Significance.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (mmrXZ)

93 > Lithuania-Poland had significant Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish, and even Protestant minorities, though it was majority Catholic.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (77rzZ)

Right, but those regions didn't wind up in modern Poland.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (qlLNh)

94 "New York Times tech executive, 40, killed after his elderly in-laws took TURNS shooting him in Bay Area parking lot"

My turn to shoot 'em Lizbeth!
Posted by: Troy Landry at September 28, 2026 01:36 PM (J4Dwc)

WTF?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (ccf/V)

95 Trump told us to drink bleach and fish tank cleaner!

Posted by: Brenda Bluehair at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (Fn+3X)

96 82 How many types of Cyanide are there?
Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:35 PM (F9nWj)
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Fried cyanide, boiled cyanide, grilled cyanide, coconut cyanide, a cyanide etouffee, cyanide gumbo, etc?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (cWLG3)

97 Great Weekend for US Cycling, BTW-

US Riders Won the World Cup of Road Cycling (held in Canada) AND the Men's Downhill World Cup (premier) event in Whistler BC.

SUFFAH CANADA

Also.
US rider Aletha Ostgaard won the Women's Junior Event at Whistler and posted the fastest time for ALL Women across the pro and junior categories for the Finals.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (vNne8)

98 "New York Times tech executive, 40, killed after his elderly in-laws took TURNS shooting him in Bay Area parking lot"

My turn to shoot 'em Lizbeth!

Posted by: Troy Landry

That is going to make Thanksgiving dinner this year a bit uncomfortable.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (0U5gm)

99
"Zodiac" never existed

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

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Rlly? How did those people get chopped up?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (mmrXZ)

100 "I've used most all the painkiller.......

But not morpheme. Never used that. Or fentanyl...."

Fentanyl, propofol, lidocaine, halothane, hydrocodone, and probably some others doctors/dentists have administered to me.

Hydrocodone doesn't work, BTW. YMMV. Halothane kicks ass!

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:39 PM (Jr5Lq)

101 You whitey folks are centering yourselves again. Typical abelist behavior.

Posted by: Soe Noire, What?/Them at September 28, 2026 01:39 PM (sFNX2)

102 Crows know when your close-tag fu is wobbly.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2026 01:39 PM (0sNs1)

103 All I could see of this new evidence is some homemade cyanide. Well, he was a chemist who killed himself with cyanide, so that is not a connection.

Oh yeah, he also had a map of Chicago. I have a map of chicago. Good thing the murders weren't done with a rock as I have those too and I could be a suspect.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 28, 2026 01:39 PM (FGJgZ)

104 9 out of 10 people refuse to believe that "stranger danger" is far, far less of a threat than family member.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:25 PM (3cUTc)

And even more dangerous is Mom's new boyfriend.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:39 PM (uhVAy)

105 It always seemed odd to me -- and suspicious -- that they had a dead body in a church with money, a ring full of keys, and a suicide note, but they couldn't identify the guy at the time or in the 40+ years since (until now, supposedly).

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 28, 2026 01:40 PM (iFTx/)

106 Brach’s candy corn is totes good and it’s Autumnal. Just sayin.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 28, 2026 01:40 PM (KGj36)

107 Was reading through paperwork after a minor surgery a few years back. I was administered fentanyl and whatever is the stuff used to counteract it. Made me go, "Hmmmm."
Posted by: She Hobbit

I think fentanyl was part of the cocktail that they gave me for my colonoscopy. Must be really powerful stuff if it can make you sleep like a baby while someone's shoving a camera up your ass.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:40 PM (77rzZ)

108
I think that may have been intentional.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:37 PM (77rzZ)

_________

No, they just hired a dope of a sergeant who lied about his experience. Should have gotten Albert Pierrepont, but this was a US Army show.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 01:40 PM (eRlcH)

109 Posted by: Nelly at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (6+ehB)

Satanic
sex
drag queens

No need to self-censor. We can say these things.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 28, 2026 01:40 PM (8mulE)

110 I thought they had solved the case a month or so later. Guess I remember incorrectly.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (gynjj)

111 All I could see of this new evidence is some homemade cyanide. Well, he was a chemist who killed himself with cyanide, so that is not a connection.

Oh yeah, he also had a map of Chicago. I have a map of chicago. Good thing the murders weren't done with a rock as I have those too and I could be a suspect.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 28, 2026 01:39 PM (FGJgZ)

Since that was going on at the time he might have just been a copycat wanting to join the "in thing"

Or he was DB Cooper.

Kids today, can't they have their own mysteries?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (uhVAy)

112 The US Men came from behind in the singles matches going 9 1/2 to 2 1/2 to win the President's Cup for the 11 straight time.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (ccf/V)

113 > Told me the were acid and he and his friends would sit there and empty hundreds of them for it.
Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:32 PM (F9nWj)

It used to have belladonna alkoloids in it, which, while they are hallucinogens, aren't the same as LSD (for one thing, they're far more dangerous, and for another the trip is generally considered to be not nearly as much fun).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (qlLNh)

114 Now, Tylenol #3, that really kicked a$$

Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (sFNX2)

115 Goering and Himmler had hidden cyanide (Goering's was smuggled to him) and took their own lives in custody.

Goebbels and his wife poisoned their children and then took cyanide themselves. Hitler and Eva both took cyanide, but Hitler also shot himself in case the cyanide didn't work.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (qRla/)

116 There was some documentary I watched on this not long ago I think on Netflix that made the case it was someone else that did it. The person even admitted they sent blackmail letter to Johnson and Johnson saying he wanted money or he would continue to lace their product.
I guess that destroys their narrative?

Posted by: Leupold at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (eIzlH)

117 i stopped taking tylenol years ago when i learned that tylenol and alcohol together can really damage your liver. i adopted a simple philosophy: you earned that hangover, now just shut up and enjoy it

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (CWTWj)

118
I've used most all the painkiller.......

But not morpheme.

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You used about 9 of them right there.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (mmrXZ)

119 I blame Ted Koppel.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (Cqx++)

120 The worst detail if this all, if I recall correctly, two family members went to the house to try to see what was up with one of the victims. They found them dead and in their grief they looked for some relief. Pain relief. They took some tylenol off the counter and both died.

I think that was the break as police realized there might be a connection to something in the house.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (FGJgZ)

121
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Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (cWLG3)

122 Growing poppies isn't hard. Sow in November. Harvest around June 1. Easy Peasy.

Posted by: Modern Farmer at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (Fn+3X)

123 Reye syndrome was heavily publicized in the early-to-mid 1980s.

1979, 1980 - Researchers first established a strong statistical link between giving aspirin to children with viral infections (like the flu or chickenpox) and the development of Reye syndrome.

Following a peak of 555 cases in 1980, a massive media and public health push began, 1982 - 1986. The U.S. government, alongside organizations like the National Reye's Syndrome Foundation, launched widespread public service announcements (PSAs). Famous figures like Leonard Nimoy and Casey Kasem warned parents on TV and radio not to give aspirin to children.

In its place: Acetaminophen (Tylenol); Ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin).

ALL otc meds have to be carefully evaluated for use vs. the particular patient.

Posted by: L - No nic... at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (NFX2v)

124 Still centered?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (cWLG3)

125 "Zodiac" never existed

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

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Rlly? How did those people get chopped up?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (mmrXZ)

Carelessness. Happens all the time.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (uhVAy)

126 Don't blame yourself, Ace. Lots of people want to 'solve' these classic cases. Zodiac, Jack the Ripper and Lizzie Borden alone are cottage industries.

As for me, I go along with the hypothesis that "Zodiac" never existed, the Ripper was a Pole named Aaron Kosminski and Lizzie chopped her parents up in Massachusetts.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

The case that most fascinates me is D. B. Cooper.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

127 I also had fentanyl administered in my surgeries.

Turns out that there's a difference between being dosed with it by a qualified anesthesiologist and being dosed with it by some dude you met at a rave.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (qlLNh)

128 Must be a div align attribute.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (cWLG3)

129
It was probably a white, Christian, heterosexual oil executive.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 01:43 PM (eRlcH)

130 Heroin > Aspirin > Acetaminophen

Posted by: Hunter Biden, Artiste at September 28, 2026 01:43 PM (UjdFS)

131 Still centered?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (cWLG3)

Tell me Ace doesn't read the comments without telling me Ace doesn't read the comments.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:43 PM (ccf/V)

132 Nice to see they were able to bring Ted Koppel back from the dead to deliver the update on the story.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 28, 2026 01:43 PM (guGkK)

133 re: i thought goebbels shot his wife then shot himself, as per 'the downfall'

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 28, 2026 01:44 PM (CWTWj)

134 Oh, another point.

If those two relatives hadn't died in the same house, they might have never figured out what was going on. It would have been just a random group of deaths, not tied to any one product.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 28, 2026 01:44 PM (FGJgZ)

135
It always seemed odd to me -- and suspicious -- that they had a dead body in a church with money, a ring full of keys, and a suicide note, but they couldn't identify the guy at the time or in the 40+ years since (until now, supposedly).
Posted by: Elric The Blade

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Yeah, skip the Tylenol storyline and tell us about that church guy. That's mystery enough. Why did he have a fake name in a suicide note? Isn't that where you tell all?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:44 PM (mmrXZ)

136 He was in a Catholic church with enough money to be cremated. I don't think he was Catholic.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:19 PM (k550y)

Polish surname, probably Catholic. I grew up in a neighbor hood populated with families of Eastern European ancestry (including my parents) 99% were Catholic. ALL the Polish familiies were Catholic, nearly all had a picture of the Pope on the living room wall.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 28, 2026 01:24 PM (hmYU4)

I hear ya. I questioned the Catholic part because of his desire for cremation. I may be mistaken, even though I'm Catholic, but I don't think Catholics get cremated. I might be wrong but I know I won't.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (k550y)

137 Some more I suddenly remember: vicodin (does not work,) sodium pentothal (for wisdom tooth extraction,) and those giant acetaminophen horse pills that I always throw away.

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (Jr5Lq)

138 Wild lettuce is easy to grow and has pain relieving qualities. Has a milky latex, like poppies. Doesn't store all that well, though.

Posted by: Legal, Safe at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (Fn+3X)

139 Yeah, skip the Tylenol storyline and tell us about that church guy. That's mystery enough. Why did he have a fake name in a suicide note? Isn't that where you tell all?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:44 PM (mmrXZ)

Suicide is a sin. He died in a church. He was trying to fool God.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (ccf/V)

140 I think fentanyl was part of the cocktail that they gave me for my colonoscopy. Must be really powerful stuff if it can make you sleep like a baby while someone's shoving a camera up your ass.
Posted by: Bulg
_________

I think they're mostly using propofol now. Good stuff. And it doesn't wipe you out for the rest of the day.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (JzUSu)

141 The case that most fascinates me is D. B. Cooper.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

Nah, that's simple. Idiot jumps out of airplane at low level into a forested area. Breaks his damn neck.

The End.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (uhVAy)

142 > Rlly? How did those people get chopped up?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (mmrXZ)

Zodiac didn't chop people up... you must be thinking of a different killer.

He (assuming it was a single person) shot most of his victims, though he did stab two.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (qlLNh)

143 You know why Tylenol is a leading cause of liver failure? Because it is one of the most common ways people attempt suicide. It’s toxic to the liver when taken in overdose quantities.

This is fact.

Posted by: Vengeance at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (XFXIk)

144 > Don't blame yourself, Ace. Lots of people want to 'solve' these classic cases. Zodiac, Jack the Ripper and Lizzie Borden alone are cottage industries.

Don't forget the goofballs who think Son of Sam was a group of people.

Note:
The same firearm was used in all killings
Berkowitz possessed that firearm
He had detailed knowledge of the killings
The killings ended with Berkowitz’s arrest

But sketchy eyewitness accounts once saw a tall blonde man, so it was definitely Satanists.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (mkw2N)

145 More than 600 "migrants" just randomly decided now is the right time to try and break into the US. Right before the midterms.

uh huh

>>The U.S. Border Patrol is tracking a migrant caravan that departed San Pedro Sula, Honduras, on September 20, according to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), as the group continues its journey north through Mexico toward the southern border.

>>More than 600 migrants are reportedly traveling north through Mexico in a caravan bound for the U.S. border, a journey that began in Honduras and comes as the Trump administration is clamping down on migration ahead of November’s midterms.

https://tinyurl.com/2p5xk2tw

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (viF8m)

146
121
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Posted by: Chairman LMAO

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Nope.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (mmrXZ)

147 >>114 Now, Tylenol #3, that really kicked a$$

When I lived in Michigan, I would drive across the bridge into Windsor, Canada and buy them without a prescription at a local pharmacy. They were called "222s" for some reason and were kept behind the counter. All you had to do was ask for them.

Posted by: one hour sober at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (J4Dwc)

148 How many types of Cyanide are there?
Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:35 PM

Cyanide is a Carbon-Nitrogen group. Attach it to any metallic salt (Hydrogen, Sodium, Potassium, etc.)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (0sNs1)

149 Goebbels and his wife poisoned their children and then took cyanide themselves.

Nay, nay. Magda Goebbels poisoned her children, then Goebbels shot his wife in the chest and then shot himself, some say with the "help" of the SS.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (Riz8t)

150 Boobs
( . ) ( . )

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (s1VwS)

151 140 I think fentanyl was part of the cocktail that they gave me for my colonoscopy. Must be really powerful stuff if it can make you sleep like a baby while someone's shoving a camera up your ass.
Posted by: Bulg
_________

I think they're mostly using propofol now. Good stuff. And it doesn't wipe you out for the rest of the day.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (JzUSu)
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Yeah, propofol is the best!

Posted by: Zombie Michael Jackson at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (cWLG3)

152 heh

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (s1VwS)

153 Given the shifting borders (the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was friggin' huge, to name just one default nation-state), the Poles are probably lucky they didn't wind up like the Balkans, with Catholics, Orthodox, and Muslims all mixed together.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:31 PM (qlLNh)

Mom was Hungarian and Protestant, Dad was Catholic, both born in 1918 of immigrant parents from the "Old World." We were only one of 4 Protestant families in the old hood. Back in the 50's. Wonderful food, though!! Any house you visited. LOL!

Posted by: Mortimer Snerd at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (hmYU4)

154 I hear ya. I questioned the Catholic part because of his desire for cremation. I may be mistaken, even though I'm Catholic, but I don't think Catholics get cremated. I might be wrong but I know I won't.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (k550y)

Showing up at the second coming as an urn is totally embarrassing.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (uhVAy)

155
I hear ya. I questioned the Catholic part because of his desire for cremation. I may be mistaken, even though I'm Catholic, but I don't think Catholics get cremated. I might be wrong but I know I won't.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (k550y)

_____________

You can be cremated, but your ashes still have to be intermediate in a consecrated cemetery.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (eRlcH)

156 re 136: not catholic but i think it's allowed

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (CWTWj)

157 And even more dangerous is Mom's new boyfriend.
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How about the dude that fell in love with his side chick and they plotted and then killed his wife?

They played both of his AI-generated love songs to the GF in full to the the court.

IDK if we can kill him twice but we ought to.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (3cUTc)

158 I think it's obvious the Tylenol was poisoned by a super advanced AI.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (ZJQBk)

159 Boobs
( . ) ( . )
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (s1VwS)

https://shorturl.fm/0nxdc

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (ccf/V)

160 I hear ya. I questioned the Catholic part because of his desire for cremation. I may be mistaken, even though I'm Catholic, but I don't think Catholics get cremated. I might be wrong but I know I won't.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (k550y)

Plus the suicide part. Catholics are against that too, since it is a sin that can never be forgiven. No chance to repent and all that.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (8mulE)

161 One guy put a razor blade in an apple in an attempt to kill his own kid, and everybody ran wild with it.

Little did Big Apple suspect that its troubles weren't over.

Posted by: 60 Minutes at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (guGkK)

162 I always assumed that the killer knew one of the victims, and was targeting that victim for murder, but killed others to make it look random

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (L5IBC)

163 I think they're mostly using propofol now. Good stuff. And it doesn't wipe you out for the rest of the day.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

Loved that shit.

Posted by: zombie Michael Jackson at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (UjdFS)

164 I hear ya. I questioned the Catholic part because of his desire for cremation. I may be mistaken, even though I'm Catholic, but I don't think Catholics get cremated. I might be wrong but I know I won't.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:45 PM (k550y)

My Catholic parents were both cremated. I believe the church allows it now, otherwise they would not have opted for cremation.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (PSEDc)

165 Tell me Ace doesn't read the comments without telling me Ace doesn't read the comments.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:43 PM (ccf/V)

Since like 2005 when he called us all morons.

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (F9nWj)

166 Satanic
sex
drag queens

No need to self-censor. We can say these things.
Posted by: No Name Today

My kinda people! The best Texans, and Americans, really.

Posted by: James Talarico, next TX Senator at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (PkrKm)

167 The case that most fascinates me is D. B. Cooper.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

Nah, that's simple. Idiot jumps out of airplane at low level into a forested area. Breaks his damn neck.

The End.
Posted by: Oldcat

Still fascinates me. The aplomb with which he pulled it off, even though he did probably die in his escape. And who was he?

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (77rzZ)

168 "Zodiac" never existed

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

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Rlly? How did those people get chopped up?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (mmrXZ)

Based on the books Zodiactually and The Myth of the Zodiac Killer, I believe there's a very good case to be made that the first three deaths (Faraday, Jensen, Ferrin) were because of a combination Hells Angels / Vallejo PD drug ring, the next (Shepard) by a park ranger or a copycat and the last (Stine) by a local restaurant worker with a known habit of robbing cabbies.

The letters? Either created by a Chronicle reporter trying to get the police to look more closely into the drug ring, then added to by either Robert Graysmith or Dave Toschi (depending on whom you believe).

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (qRla/)

169 The body is just a vessel for the soul while on God's Earth. Once the host dies, the soul leaves the body, so cremation does nothing to the soul.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (ccf/V)

170 96 82 How many types of Cyanide are there?
Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 01:35 PM (F9nWj)
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Fried cyanide, boiled cyanide, grilled cyanide, coconut cyanide, a cyanide etouffee, cyanide gumbo, etc?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:38 PM (cWLG3)

Chop it into 9 equal pieces and you gots fricasee'd cyanide, ya ohnnry cur!

Posted by: Y. Sam at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (rje/a)

171 Cyanide is a Carbon-Nitrogen group. Attach it to any metallic salt (Hydrogen, Sodium, Potassium, etc.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2026 01:46 PM (0sNs1)

Hmm. You seem to know a lot about cyanide.

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (guGkK)

172 The song Dire Wolf by the Grateful Dead was written by Hunter/Garcia because Jerry was kind of paranoid about being the next victim of the Zodiac Killer.

Posted by: Please Don't Murder Me at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (Fn+3X)

173 27 The amazing thing to me about this whole episode is that the Tylenol brand survived, and now flourishes.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at September 28, 2026 01:22 PM (bNf8H)

Agreed. The Johnson & Johnson response to the Tylenol crisis became a textbook case in how companies dealt with these types of events going forward.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (0CU3H)

174 158 I think it's obvious the Tylenol was poisoned by a super advanced AI.
Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (ZJQBk)
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From the future no less.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (cWLG3)

175
"The bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection. The burial of the dead is a corporal work of mercy; it honors the children of God, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.

"Autopsies can be morally permitted for legal inquests or scientific research. The free gift of organs after death is legitimate and can be meritorious.

"The Church permits cremation, provided that it does not demonstrate a denial of faith in the resurrection of the body."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (eRlcH)

176 "Still fascinates me. The aplomb with which he pulled it off, even though he did probably die in his escape. And who was he?"

Look up crackpot pilot Dan Gryder. He's all over the Cooper story. Even jumped with Cooper's parachute for lulz.

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (Jr5Lq)

177 I always assumed that the killer knew one of the victims, and was targeting that victim for murder, but killed others to make it look random
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (L5IBC)

Despite detective novels that is pretty rare. Most kill who they know, or the kill randoms. the ABC murder stuff isn't common.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (uhVAy)

178 This isn't really true, since the cachet of going to Harvard is the also one of the main reasons people go.

Researchers proved AI has deleted every reason universities exist.

https://tinyurl.com/524erx75

Posted by: Archimedes at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (Riz8t)

179 The case that most fascinates me is D. B. Cooper.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

Have you read Skyjack by Geoffrey Gray?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (qRla/)

180 > One guy put a razor blade in an apple in an attempt to kill his own kid, and everybody ran wild with it.

I remember police stations volunteering their xray machine to scan people's candy for them on Halloween. We didn't ever do that, but my parents examined our candy's packaging before we were allowed to eat any.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (mkw2N)

181 Tell me Ace doesn't read the comments without telling me Ace doesn't read the comments.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:43 PM

Many Commentators don't, why should Ace?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (0sNs1)

182 ooh! you can still get old-style Contact cold meds in Mexico!

I often pick up some bug on the flight down - that stuff is MAGIC at clearing head colds!

next time I'll try pulling out the red bits lol

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (j+aD2)

183
https://tinyurl.com/2p5xk2tw
Posted by: JackStraw

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Seems odd. Caravans are funded by the Soros ilk, and I can't see a caravan helping the Democrats in 2026, although the media will do its best to show nothing.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (mmrXZ)

184 https://shorturl.fm/0nxdc
Posted by: Sponge

Wow. Talk about lower-back problems.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (77rzZ)

185 136. but I don't think Catholics get cremated...
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Cremation used to be prohibited for Roman Catholics, but that doctrine started to change with Vatican II. It is now fully allowed. Orthodox Christian churches still prohibit cremation, except in Japan (state rquires cremation).

Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 01:51 PM (sFNX2)

186 Boobs
( . ) ( . )
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo

https://shorturl.fm/0nxdc
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
.......

That doesn't look comfortable, but I don't care.

Posted by: wth at September 28, 2026 01:51 PM (UjdFS)

187
Many Commentators don't, why should Ace?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (0sNs1)

Because Andrew Breitbart said THAT'S where the gold is.....In the COMMENTS.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:51 PM (ccf/V)

188 The Catholic Church relented on cremation, but don't like the scattering of ashes bit.

Posted by: What's A Grecian Urn? at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (Fn+3X)

189 Leftward lurch.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (ccf/V)

190 "Still fascinates me. The aplomb with which he pulled it off, even though he did probably die in his escape. And who was he?"

Look up crackpot pilot Dan Gryder. He's all over the Cooper story. Even jumped with Cooper's parachute for lulz.
Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (Jr5Lq)

That was an era when everyone and his grandmom was hijacking planes and demanding money. The most common word association for "Cuba" was Hijacker.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (uhVAy)

191 Nah, that's simple. Idiot jumps out of airplane at low level into a forested area. Breaks his damn neck.

The End.
---
Yup.
That no body or money was found means nothing.
Spend ten minutes on "person goes missing while hiking with friends" and it's stupid scary how easy one can never be found out in the wild.
Like, "he was right here an hour ago" and they find nothing.
Now do over several thousand square miles.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (3cUTc)

192 Because Andrew Breitbart said THAT'S where the gold is.....In the COMMENTS.

And he's now dead. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (Riz8t)

193 The song Dire Wolf by the Grateful Dead was written by Hunter/Garcia because Jerry was kind of paranoid about being the next victim of the Zodiac Killer.
Posted by: Please Don't Murder Me at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (Fn+3X)

And I'm sure that song sucks as well......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (ccf/V)

194 Have you read Skyjack by Geoffrey Gray?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

No. Recommended?

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (77rzZ)

195 And he's now dead. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (Riz8t)

Damn tainted Tylenol......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (ccf/V)

196 Seems odd. Caravans are funded by the Soros ilk, and I can't see a caravan helping the Democrats in 2026, although the media will do its best to show nothing.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:50 PM (mmrXZ)

We should stop it at the Honduras-Mexico border.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (uhVAy)

197 Hmm. You seem to know a lot about cyanide.
Posted by: Bob at the NSA at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM

Not as much as Chemjeff knew about cooking steaks.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (0sNs1)

198 > 114 Now, Tylenol #3, that really kicked a$$
Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 01:41 PM (sFNX2)

Yeah, the hydrocodone-acetaminophen I've had recently wasn't as good as I remember Tylenol #3 being.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (qlLNh)

199 Chop it into 9 equal pieces and you gots fricasee'd cyanide, ya ohnnry cur!
Posted by: Y. Sam at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (rje/a)

If your Smoked Cyanide isn't dark all the way to the interior you are buying cheap Smoked Cyanide. Don't fall for these scams get your 100% all natural cherry smoked cyanide. < click here.

Posted by: Youtube Smoked Cyanide add at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (F9nWj)

200 The case that most fascinates me is D. B. Cooper.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

Nah, that's simple. Idiot jumps out of airplane at low level into a forested area. Breaks his damn neck.

The End.
Posted by: Oldcat

Still fascinates me. The aplomb with which he pulled it off, even though he did probably die in his escape. And who was he?
Posted by: Bulg

==

So crazy story. I have a relative that was a hot shot pilot. He said he "knew" a guy that he was sure was DB Cooper and he all but admitted it. I just sort of brushed it off. It was well before my time and I never even really cared. He then told the backstory that this guy was like an elite paratrooper, he been interviewed several times by the FBI but he had an alibi.

He then showed me a picture of his friend, absolute dead ringer for the infamous sketch of him that everyone refers to.

Posted by: Leupold at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (eIzlH)

201 The song Dire Wolf by the Grateful Dead was written by Hunter/Garcia because Jerry was kind of paranoid about being the next victim of the Zodiac Killer.
Posted by: Please Don't Murder Me at September 28, 2026 01:49 PM (Fn+3X)

And I'm sure that song sucks as well......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (ccf/V)

Wait, there's no Wolf in the zodiac. What kind of allusion is that?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:54 PM (uhVAy)

202 >>Seems odd. Caravans are funded by the Soros ilk, and I can't see a caravan helping the Democrats in 2026, although the media will do its best to show nothing.

The media is already covering it. We are now in the turn out your vote stage of the election. The left gave up pretending they want secure borders and no illegals a long time ago.

Now they are openly running on opening the borders if they take back the government. They and the media will use this to gin up enthusiasm on the left.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2026 01:54 PM (viF8m)

203 Boobs
( . ) ( . )
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

https://shorturl.fm/0nxdc
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

I'm a dude, but I've heard that kinda bounce may be a bit painful? How about a bit more tasteful bounce? https://tinyurl.com/2nbbuv6b

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at September 28, 2026 01:54 PM (PkrKm)

204
There's no evidence the guy was Catholic. Looks more like he stumbled into a Catholic church -- probably because the door was open.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (mmrXZ)

205 We should stop it at the Honduras-Mexico border.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (uhVAy)

I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like...border security.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (k550y)

206 >>And I'm sure that song sucks as well......

You'd be wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (viF8m)

207 "Skyjack by Geoffrey Gray"

Free to read and download at archive.org:
https://tinyurl.com/2jakfcdw

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (Jr5Lq)

208 He then showed me a picture of his friend, absolute dead ringer for the infamous sketch of him that everyone refers to.
Posted by: Leupold at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (eIzlH)

So was about 80 percent of the male population, you long haired hippies.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (uhVAy)

209 Yeah, skip the Tylenol storyline and tell us about that church guy. That's mystery enough. Why did he have a fake name in a suicide note? Isn't that where you tell all?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

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People have all kinds of reasons for doing that kind of stuff.
The problem is that the surviving family is useless in explaining it because they are usually part of the problem. They either go into denial, go into defense, or are just oblivious.

- and re Catholics --- I think they have relented on suicide, saying the person was of "unsound mind" and didn't know what they were doing so not their fault.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (FGJgZ)

210 The Catholic Church relented on cremation, but don't like the scattering of ashes bit.
Posted by: What's A Grecian Urn?

I'm Protestant, and I don't get the scattering of ashes thing. I'm not a big fan of cremation, either, but at least if your ashes are buried you can still have a headstone.

I want a big ol' headstone where my descendants can come to cry and lay flowers.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (77rzZ)

211 Seems odd. Caravans are funded by the Soros ilk, and I can't see a caravan helping the Democrats in 2026, although the media will do its best to show nothing.

The media is already covering it. We are now in the turn out your vote stage of the election. The left gave up pretending they want secure borders and no illegals a long time ago.

Now they are openly running on opening the borders if they take back the government. They and the media will use this to gin up enthusiasm on the left.
Posted by: JackStraw

==

A caravan of migrants and everyone will forget about Iran and gas prices. It's like a reverse Soros move.

Posted by: Leupold at September 28, 2026 01:56 PM (eIzlH)

212 That no body or money was found means nothing.
Spend ten minutes on "person goes missing while hiking with friends" and it's stupid scary how easy one can never be found out in the wild.
Like, "he was right here an hour ago" and they find nothing.
Now do over several thousand square miles.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:52 PM (3cUTc)

If I found some dead body in the wilderness, I would let the authorities know.

Unless...
If along with the body there was a huge amount of cash. Then I might just grab the cash and say nothing.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 28, 2026 01:56 PM (8mulE)

213
You'd be wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (viF8m)

I'm quite sure I'm not, since they sucked royally.

But I don't do drugs or smoke copious amounts of weed, so........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:56 PM (ccf/V)

214 There's no evidence the guy was Catholic. Looks more like he stumbled into a Catholic church -- probably because the door was open.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (mmrXZ)

Poland is pretty heavily Catholic. It's a reasonable assumption.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:56 PM (uhVAy)

215
The left gave up pretending they want secure borders and no illegals a long time ago.

Now they are openly running on opening the borders if they take back the government. They and the media will use this to gin up enthusiasm on the left.
Posted by: JackStraw

================

I know they hate ICE, but I thought they were at least pretending that they care about border control. Didn't they even boast that Biden had secure borders lolol?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (mmrXZ)

216 I want a big ol' headstone where my descendants can come to cry and lay flowers.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (77rzZ)

or dance and point at you. Either way its a party.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (uhVAy)

217 147. They were called "222s" for some reason and were kept behind the counter. All you had to do was ask for them.
-------------------------------------------------
When I was a kid I'd get really bad stomach pain. My mom would go the drug store and sign for Paregoric. It knocked the pain right out and actually left me feeling pretty good. Can't do that today. Junkies ruined everything.

Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (sFNX2)

218 I know they hate ICE, but I thought they were at least pretending that they care about border control. Didn't they even boast that Biden had secure borders lolol?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (mmrXZ)

there's only so many cards in their hands. Looks like Trump needs to cut the UN budget one more time.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (uhVAy)

219 And I'm sure that song sucks as well......
Posted by: Sponge

No, Mr. Sponge, it's a wonderful song. Robert Hunter may have been the finest poet/lyricist of the second half of the Twentieth Century. He is firmly installed in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of the Grateful Dead, although he was not a performer.

Posted by: Show Some Respect at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (Fn+3X)

220 He then showed me a picture of his friend, absolute dead ringer for the infamous sketch of him that everyone refers to.
Posted by: Leupold at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (eIzlH)

So was about 80 percent of the male population, you long haired hippies.
Posted by: Oldcat

===

I get what youre saying, but this really was a crazy match. I snapped a picture of him and showed someone else and they couldnt believe it.

Who knows

This guys name have never really showed up as their prime suspects, but he had the background to do it, was the right age and everything. Enough to where the FBI interviewed him multiple times.

Posted by: Leupold at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (eIzlH)

221 Have you read Skyjack by Geoffrey Gray?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

No. Recommended?
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:53 PM (77rzZ)

It's OK. I see above where you can read it for free. I'd recommend that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (qRla/)

222 There's no evidence the guy was Catholic. Looks more like he stumbled into a Catholic church -- probably because the door was open.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:55 PM (mmrXZ)

Poland is pretty heavily Catholic. It's a reasonable assumption.
Posted by: Oldcat

The church was in Idaho.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (77rzZ)

223 >since it is a sin that can never be forgiven.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (8mulE)

I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer official Catholic doctrine. Something-something-mental-illness, something-something-extreme-anguish.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (qlLNh)

224 No, Mr. Sponge, it's a wonderful song. Robert Hunter may have been the finest poet/lyricist of the second half of the Twentieth Century. He is firmly installed in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of the Grateful Dead, although he was not a performer.
Posted by: Show Some Respect at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (Fn+3X)

Heh. The Rock n' Roll HoF is a joke, so don't hang your hat on that, kind sir.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (ccf/V)

225
Poland is pretty heavily Catholic. It's a reasonable assumption.
Posted by: Oldcat

The church was in Idaho.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (77rzZ)

__________

*looks at map*

Close enough.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (eRlcH)

226 It's OK. I see above where you can read it for free. I'd recommend that.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Thanks.

Oh, and that Ripperologist magazine is really interesting. As your column at the end.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (77rzZ)

227 > Junkies ruined everything.
Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (sFNX2)

Yep. See also: cough medicine with codeine.

That shit worked great.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (qlLNh)

228 Remember, we also used to live in a society where you could walk up to the counter, same-day, pay with cash and walk to the boarding area.

No security.

And those seeing you off didn't need a ticket.

Same on arrival, they could meet you at the gate.

Now you get to show up 2+ hours early and enter the "grope lottory" where an 80-IQ DEI molests you 'cause the computer randomly said you might be a muslim terrorist.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (3cUTc)

229 *hic*

Posted by: Hillary at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (G4zM/)

230
The church was in Idaho.
Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (77rzZ)

There's a pretty significant white supremacy population in Idaho......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:00 PM (ccf/V)

231 lowed from art thread-

315 When I first looked at that paiting I thought 'Dang, that woman giving birth to a full-grown man.'
Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (LHPAg)

Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2026 02:00 PM (LHPAg)

232 >>I know they hate ICE, but I thought they were at least pretending that they care about border control. Didn't they even boast that Biden had secure borders lolol?

You live in California, right? Do you see a single Democrat politician in California pretending they want to deport illegals?

Open borders not just in the US but around the world has been a bedrock principle of the WEF/UN globalist left for decades. It's how they win elections. They aren't giving it up without a fight. An ongoing fight.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2026 02:00 PM (viF8m)

233 I've been reliably informed by the Internet Clancy Clan that all crimes are committed by the husband, ex-husband, or scorned ex-boyfriend. So that must be it with the Tylenol.

Posted by: Wally at September 28, 2026 02:01 PM (TIEGo)

234 The left gave up pretending they want secure borders and no illegals a long time ago.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I know they hate ICE, but I thought they were at least pretending that they care about border control. Didn't they even boast that Biden had secure borders lolol?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

I'd say mainstream Dems still pretend to believe in secure borders and controlled immigration. They like to say Obama was the Deporter in Chief but managed to do it in a humanitarian way unlike that murderous Trump that terrorized people.

They all actually SUPPORT unlimited 3rd world immigration, but realize they have to lie to get enough independent voters to still win elections.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 28, 2026 02:01 PM (PkrKm)

235 Six minutes of Sarah Vaughan:
youtube.com/watch?v=lJXLqAutql4

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 02:01 PM (Jr5Lq)

236 Ted Koppel looking quite young there!!

BTW I’d never before noticed the similarities in looks between Koppel and Marv Alpert. Separated at birth?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (xAoHD)

237 > Junkies ruined everything.
Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (sFNX2)

Yep. See also: cough medicine with codeine.

That shit worked great.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:59 PM (qlLNh)

My cough medicine is cinnamon hard candy. It works great. I keep them on me because if unchecked the cough can make me ill.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (uhVAy)

238 226 *as is*

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (77rzZ)

239 I know they hate ICE, but I thought they were at least pretending that they care about border control. Didn't they even boast that Biden had secure borders lolol?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 01:57 PM (mmrXZ)

Hohman says that ICE has recovered around 157,000 "missing migrant children" who were in forced labor and sex trafficked, so this could be a desperate attempt by teh Dems at resupply

Posted by: Kindltot at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (rbvCR)

240 since it is a sin that can never be forgiven.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 28, 2026 01:47 PM (8mulE)

I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer official Catholic doctrine. Something-something-mental-illness, something-something-extreme-anguish.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (qlLNh)

My understanding is the only unforgivable sin is taking the Lord's name in vain. And that doesn't mean cursing as in saying godammit, but in using Him to advance your own agenda. Or things to that effect.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (k550y)

241 Hey ace, we have a few acres and crows come by. The wife has made friends (used loosely) by putting out a hard boiled egg on a hay bale out back every day. When she forgets they make a crap load of noise. They never approach the egg if we are on the deck, but we see them from the kitchen window. The crow pecks a hole in the shell so he can grab it and fly away. Sometimes they eat some of it on the hay bale. Just sayin.

Posted by: Chubby the cat at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (BN5Wj)

242 O/T: I just finished formatting my new Theda Bara novel and submitted a proof copy request. With any luck, the book should be for sale early next month.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (qRla/)

243
I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer official Catholic doctrine. Something-something-mental-illness, something-something-extreme-anguish.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 28, 2026 01:58 PM (qlLNh)

___________

"If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

"We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (eRlcH)

244 I always assumed that the killer knew one of the victims, and was targeting that victim for murder, but killed others to make it look random
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (L5IBC)

Reminds me of the plot to Lil' Jack Reacher (the Tom Cruise movie).

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (cWLG3)

245 There's a pretty significant white supremacy population in Idaho......
Posted by: Sponge

And Brian Stelter lookalikes.

Posted by: Bulg at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (77rzZ)

246 My understanding is the only unforgivable sin is taking the Lord's name in vain. And that doesn't mean cursing as in saying godammit, but in using Him to advance your own agenda. Or things to that effect.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (k550y)

Despair is the unforgivable sin, since you are saying God can't make things better.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (uhVAy)

247 172 The song Dire Wolf by the Grateful Dead...
--------------------------------------------------
Interesting side note that scientists recently claimed they could bring back the dire wolf species through cloning. Most folks thought of some obscure TV show ("Game of Thorns'? I dunno), but I immediately thought of the Dead song. I must be old. And obscure.

Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (sFNX2)

248 The Tylenol Murders were a big step along the path from a high-trust to a low-trust society. Not only was it murder, but a crime against civilization.

Posted by: pikkumatti at September 28, 2026 02:04 PM (eTiH0)

249 Reminds me of the plot to Lil' Jack Reacher (the Tom Cruise movie).
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM (cWLG3)

And about 700 other mysteries. In the last 5 years probably.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:04 PM (uhVAy)

250 My understanding is the only unforgivable sin is taking the Lord's name in vain. And that doesn't mean cursing as in saying godammit, but in using Him to advance your own agenda. Or things to that effect.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (k550y)

Uh oh......don't tell that to Talarico who just threw down biblical type garbage on his Xcrement feed.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (ccf/V)

251 "The crow pecks a hole in the shell so he can grab it and fly away."

Yup! For crows: hard boiled eggs. For jays: peanuts in the shell. Sure fire bird attractors. Keeps em coming back.

Posted by: gp at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (Jr5Lq)

252 Poland is pretty heavily Catholic. It's a reasonable assumption.
Posted by: Oldcat

The church was in Idaho.
Posted by: Bulg

Poland is IN Idaho. Dumbass.

Posted by: Secretary of Defense from Idiocracy at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (PkrKm)

253 241 Hey ace, we have a few acres and crows come by. The wife has made friends (used loosely) by putting out a hard boiled egg on a hay bale out back every day. When she forgets they make a crap load of noise. They never approach the egg if we are on the deck, but we see them from the kitchen window. The crow pecks a hole in the shell so he can grab it and fly away. Sometimes they eat some of it on the hay bale. Just sayin.
Posted by: Chubby the cat at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (BN5Wj)
---
Good thing they don't prefer a ribeye!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (cWLG3)

254 I remember this very vividly, though I was only thirteen at the time.

Even in Hawai'i, the panic was real.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (X7pZH)

255 "Dire Wolves" sound like something we should not bring back.

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (F9nWj)

256 "children in cages" actually motivated some women to vote.
They even put bumper stickers on their cars.

Never mind the children were put there by Obama.
And that was due to the flood of illegals encouraged by Democrats.
What was important is, we need to vote for the party of no borders, refuse to enforce democratically passed laws, so these kids won't cry.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (3cUTc)

257 They all actually SUPPORT unlimited 3rd world immigration, but realize they have to lie to get enough independent voters to still win elections.

Communists, aka Democrats, HAVE to lie. About everything. They'd never get elected dog-catcher if they told the truth about what they really want.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (k550y)

258 I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer official Catholic doctrine. Something-something-mental-illness, something-something-extreme-anguish.
==
Well to be a sin you have to choose it freely and with knowledge that it is a sin. If your will is impaired to the extent you don't have free choice, or you are under compulsion then its not a mortal sin.

No third party is really is in a position to read somebody else's mental state at that point. With rare exceptions like jumping out of burning building that has no other escape and you are being roasted alive.

So its one of those things that is left to the Lord to sort out. Although they really don't like to get into public discussions of it, least those with tendencies think they have an out.

Posted by: Not Fr. Guido Sarducci but at September 28, 2026 02:06 PM (anL5R)

259 "New York Times tech executive, 40, killed after his elderly in-laws took TURNS shooting him in Bay Area parking lot"

If this where we call for the removal of voting rights from all elderly people with married children?

We haven't had a good hair-on-fire psy-op in at least a week.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 28, 2026 02:06 PM (vJrRc)

260
Even in Hawai'i, the panic was real.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (X7pZH)

I lived on the outskirts of the Chicagoland area.......It was VERY real.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:07 PM (ccf/V)

261 Hey! We are no longer centered! But do we have to be left-justified? Just sayin'

Posted by: Martin Tell at September 28, 2026 02:07 PM (sFNX2)

262 Uh oh......don't tell that to Talarico who just threw down biblical type garbage on his Xcrement feed.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (ccf/V)

That's exactly what I'm referring to. And those like him. Serpents all.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (k550y)

263 My understanding is the only unforgivable sin is taking the Lord's name in vain. And that doesn't mean cursing as in saying godammit, but in using Him to advance your own agenda. Or things to that effect.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (k550y)

IIRC, Jesus taught the only unforgivable sin was attributing his works to Beelzebub. He’d cast out some demons and his critics said it did through the power of Satan. Jesus called that a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and therefore unforgivable

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (xAoHD)

264 Halloween in 1982 in the Chicago area sucked royal ass.

It drives me to maximize every Halloween since, kind of like 2020 has driven me to never pass up a trip to the water park.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (qwx/I)

265 "Dire Wolves" sound like something we should not bring back.
Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (F9nWj)

Try Huge Fluffy Wuffies, it play better on TV. They are just large wolves, adapted to bringing down larger game in the Pleisocene. Like Sabertooths in the Americas. Big game needs bigger cats to hunt them.

Sabertoothyness is apparently a perennial adaptation for cats of all sizes in history. It has popped up quite a few times in unrelated cat species. Cat breeders need to work on that, Saber toothed Persians.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (uhVAy)

266
They all actually SUPPORT unlimited 3rd world immigration, but realize they have to lie to get enough independent voters to still win elections.
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That's how I see it. A well publicized caravan seems like the wrong move for Dems.

Although it will set up a confrontation between Trump and Mexico. All those people should be sent back to Guatemala to apply for asylum if that's what they intend to do.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 02:09 PM (mmrXZ)

267
Sabertoothyness is apparently a perennial adaptation for cats of all sizes in history. It has popped up quite a few times in unrelated cat species. Cat breeders need to work on that, Saber toothed Persians.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (uhVAy)

__________

Opposable thumbs. That's dangerous.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 02:09 PM (eRlcH)

268 Even in Hawai'i, the panic was real.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 28, 2026 02:05 PM (X7pZH)

I lived on the outskirts of the Chicagoland area.......It was VERY real.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:07 PM (ccf/V)

I moved to Chicago a little after that. Always a contrarian.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:10 PM (uhVAy)

269 Although it will set up a confrontation between Trump and Mexico. All those people should be sent back to Guatemala to apply for asylum if that's what they intend to do.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 28, 2026 02:09 PM (mmrXZ)

Trump should remind Mexico that they are required to claim asylum in the first country they come to........Not be trafficked another 1400 miles.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:10 PM (ccf/V)

270 Sabertoothyness is apparently a perennial adaptation for cats of all sizes in history. It has popped up quite a few times in unrelated cat species. Cat breeders need to work on that, Saber toothed Persians.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (uhVAy)

Persians are OK, but I would draw the line at Siamese or Abyssinians

Posted by: Kindltot at September 28, 2026 02:10 PM (rbvCR)

271 "And he's now dead...."

The hell you say! He's with me and Elvis helping out at our Saginaw KFC!

Posted by: Bigfoot at September 28, 2026 02:10 PM (rje/a)

272 Sabertoothyness is apparently a perennial adaptation for cats of all sizes in history. It has popped up quite a few times in unrelated cat species. Cat breeders need to work on that, Saber toothed Persians.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:08 PM (uhVAy)

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Opposable thumbs. That's dangerous.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 28, 2026 02:09 PM (eRlcH)

Polydactyls already have that.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:10 PM (uhVAy)

273 Test

Posted by: EFG at September 28, 2026 02:11 PM (J2VQX)

274 I always assumed that the killer knew one of the victims, and was targeting that victim for murder, but killed others to make it look random
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2026 01:48 PM (L5IBC)

That's been the basis for a number of Jack the Ripper 'solutions.'

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 02:11 PM (qRla/)

275 The only mortal sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

And its self evident - logical - because according to doctrine, by condemning the Holy Spirit you are closing your own pathway to God.

That's the logic behind it, I'm not justifying what the Bible says. Just saying it makes sense to me.

There were contemporaries of Jesus that claimed what He was doing was sorcery from the Devil. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, who is not Satan.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 02:12 PM (ZJQBk)

276 "New York Times tech executive, 40, killed after his elderly in-laws took TURNS shooting him in Bay Area parking lot"

If this where we call for the removal of voting rights from all elderly people with married children?

We haven't had a good hair-on-fire psy-op in at least a week.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 28, 2026 02:06 PM (vJrRc)

That or mandatory time on the gun range for seniors.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:12 PM (uhVAy)

277 Nood Big Lipped Reporter

Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 28, 2026 02:12 PM (vJrRc)

278 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 28, 2026 02:12 PM (ccf/V)

279 With humaties luck we would bring back the dire wolf only to find out it is smarter and breeds faster than hogs.

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2026 02:12 PM (F9nWj)

280 Muldoon will soon be regaling us of the misadventures of the Dire Wolf when Polesmoker Polis unleashes the clones on the public in Colorado. The limericks will be amazing.

Posted by: Six Hundred Pounds Of Sin... at September 28, 2026 02:13 PM (Fn+3X)

281 I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit when I didn't even really know that could happen. But I still knew it was the Holy Spirit. Kind of wild.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 02:13 PM (ZJQBk)

282 Off topic, but how do I access the comments from this classic Kaboom Cereal post?

Not to comment, but just to read.

Thank you.

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/343109.php

Posted by: EFG at September 28, 2026 02:13 PM (J2VQX)

283 >>The most common word association for "Cuba" was Hijacker.

Met a guy around 1980 who claimed to have hijacked a plane to Cuba. Must have looked skeptical, because a few days later he showed me a book on hijackings: it had photos of some of the hijackers, and he was one of them.

Posted by: Nazdar at September 28, 2026 02:14 PM (NcvvS)

284 >>The most common word association for "Cuba" was Hijacker.

Met a guy around 1980 who claimed to have hijacked a plane to Cuba. Must have looked skeptical, because a few days later he showed me a book on hijackings: it had photos of some of the hijackers, and he was one of them.
Posted by: Nazdar at September 28, 2026 02:14 PM (NcvvS)

It was a meme before meme's existed.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:15 PM (uhVAy)

285 O/T: I just finished formatting my new Theda Bara novel and submitted a proof copy request. With any luck, the book should be for sale early next month.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at September 28, 2026 02:03 PM

Cool. Hard copy or e-book?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 28, 2026 02:16 PM (bFu5X)

286 >>You'd be wrong.

1980 Acoustic Set Dire Wolfs were the Best Dire Wolfs.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2026 02:17 PM (vNne8)

287 That or mandatory time on the gun range for seniors.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 28, 2026 02:12 PM (uhVAy)
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Once the horses go back to the daughter's spread in a few weeks., we'll be building our own range.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 28, 2026 02:17 PM (X7pZH)

288 "Surprised it took until the 80's for incidents to suggest it is a prudent safety measure.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 28, 2026 01:33 PM (QVS9R) "

useta have a high trust society, back in the Before Time

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 28, 2026 02:19 PM (VyBeY)

289 RE: The approaching caravan.

The left/media complex NEEDS a photograph of armed U.S. forces facing down 'migrants' at the border to show how heartless and mean-spirited Trump is.

They're DESPERATE for a picture in which soldiers bring weapons to bear on a caravan, no matter what that caravan is doing. They'll crop it so it's troops drawing down on unarmed migrants.

Think Kent State.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 28, 2026 02:20 PM (gLYp7)

290 great story. compelling and rich.

Posted by: cmeat at September 28, 2026 02:21 PM (Bep7s)

291 I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit when I didn't even really know that could happen. But I still knew it was the Holy Spirit. Kind of wild.
Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 02:13 PM (ZJQBk)
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When I look back at my life, He protected me, even when I was at my most destructive.

It is wild that the Creator of the universe has such a vested interest in me.

It is even more wild that He loves me so much, He died for me.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 28, 2026 02:23 PM (X7pZH)

292 236 Ted Koppel looking quite young there!!

BTW I’d never before noticed the similarities in looks between Koppel and Marv Alpert. Separated at birth?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 28, 2026 02:02 PM (xAoHD)
Howdy Doody.

Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2026 02:34 PM (LHPAg)

293 Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 28, 2026 02:23 PM (X7pZH)

It is crazy when you realize that.

Posted by: ... at September 28, 2026 02:39 PM (ZJQBk)

294 I read the article last week, and this guy would have fit in perfectly in Pooky's old career field. One of the more notable expulsions was a guy who had a kidnapping kit ready to go in his trunk to kidnap a state legislator, because he knew the guy regularly visited a local "woman of the night." He didn't have any animus against the guy, he just looked at it as an interesting job to pull off.

Pooky's career field was essentially ticking time bombs that the USAF hoped and prayed to never be around when they went off.

Posted by: pookysgirl is glad Pooky's out at September 28, 2026 02:53 PM (Wt5PA)

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