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John Ratcliffe's Secret Mission to Moscow: Don't Attack NATO, and You Had Better Strike a Deal While a Deal Is Still Possible, Mr. Putin
Ratcliffe told the head of the FSB that Russia must not attack NATO.
Is that a real fear? Yes, for several reason. First, intelligence warned of an attack on Poland by Russia, with Russia hoping to make Poland back away from its support of Ukraine. And then months after that, a Russian missile fell in Poland. The missile hit an empty field and killed no one, but it seems likely that it was intended as a threat, especially since it had been predicted by intel sources. And now their are fresh reports that Russia is planning another provocation attack. Second: Russia is losing this war and one of the most basic reactions to losing on one front is to open another front. The CIA seems to fear that Putin will become desperate and escalate the situation to delay his defeat.
CIA Director John Ratcliffe's personal visit to Moscow this week saw him warn Russia against any strikes on NATO nations, multiple outlets have reported. Ratcliffe visited Russia this week and met with intelligence officials, but not President Vladimir Putin. The meeting came amid reported concerns from Washington that Russia could attack one of the Baltic States, all of which are in NATO, according to the Wall Street Journal.
That wasn't the only point of the trip. The other objective was to deliver the CIA's assessment that, despite the US previously figuring that Russia would eventually win the war due to their great advantage in population and war materiel, the CIA now believes that Russia will lose the war, given the disastrous 2026 Russian spring and summer offensives, which are hardly worthy of the name. Ratcliffe urged Russia to start seriously negotiating for a peace deal before Russia suffers military and economic damage that could take generations to repair. For those of you who have, like me, been reading about the Ukraine-Russia war, and wondered if the news of Russia's bloody failure was just Ukrainian propaganda: It appears not. The CIA broadly confirms what we've been hearing from Ukrainian sources and independent analysts.
C.I.A. Chief Delivered Bleak Assessment of Russia's War in Secretive Moscow Visit John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director, made a secretive visit to Moscow this week to privately share his bleak assessment of the state of the Russian war against Ukraine, and to urge the Russians to cut a deal before their military and economic situation gets worse, current and former officials said. Mr. Ratcliffe delivered the message to Aleksandr V. Bortnikov, the head of Russia's F.S.B. intelligence service, and made no threats about potential consequences for the Russian side should President Vladimir V. Putin ignore the C.I.A. director's assessment and choose to continue fighting. C.I.A. analysts have long questioned whether Mr. Putin's advisers have given him honest assessments of the war's trajectory and toll.This is discussed a lot -- Putin is almost like Hitler in seeming to believe that he's winning this. People attribute this to the fact that generals and staffers who give Putin bad news tend to exit tall buildings from high windows.
The C.I.A. has long maintained communications channels with the F.S.B. and Russia's foreign intelligence service, which is known as the S.V.R. Officials said Mr. Ratcliffe's intelligence channel with Bortnikov runs parallel to separate channels that President Trump's envoy, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, have established with other senior advisers to Mr. Putin. Some officials said they hoped that Mr. Putin, a former intelligence officer himself, would see a message from the C.I.A. director as more urgent and credible than communications through normal diplomatic channels. For much of last year, Mr. Trump and some of his top advisers appeared to hold the belief that a Russian battlefield victory over Ukraine was inevitable because of Russia's larger population and its nuclear arsenal. But the Russians have suffered massive losses, and their battlefield gains have stalled. It is not clear whether Mr. Ratcliffe's message presaged any change in U.S. policy toward Russia or Ukraine. Mr. Ratcliffe's visit was the latest effort by the Trump administration to breathe new life into stalled negotiations. It has become increasingly clear that Ukraine is not going to give up its fight in the east, even with reduced U.S. military support. Given what he presented as the bleak military and economic reality for Russia, Mr. Ratcliffe told Mr. Bortnikov that he believed it was time for Moscow to engage in serious negotiations to end the war. Since Mr. Trump's return to office, the United States has scaled back its military support to the Ukrainians, forcing them to rely more heavily on European partners. ... Last month, Mr. Ratcliffe spoke out pointedly about Russian troop losses during the war, and Moscow's inability to advance on the battlefield. He noted that the life expectancy of a Russian soldier on the front lines was less than 35 minutes. And he added that Russia had gained only about 1 percent of Ukraine's total territory in the 18 months since he became C.I.A. director, a development he attributed to Ukraine's "mastery" of drone technology.Ukraine is parlaying that drone mastery into more aid. They're striking deals with many countries, including the US, and trading their hard-won expertise at drone warfare and technology for additional weapons (including more drones and components for drones). Drones have replaced artillery as the new king of the battlefield. They're the weapon responsible for the most battle deaths, knocking artillery off its long-held bloody throne. The future of warfare will be, for good or for ill, all about drones and, crucially, anti-drone technology. (Not all counter-drone weapons are so high tech.) America must be able to destroy drones if we want to keep our other advantages. (And the Ukraine war has shown that US weapons systems are very good and much better than Russian, and presumably Chinese, systems. In fact, most of NATO's weapons are superior to Russia's.)
US drone "mothership" carries other drones. Related: Trump announced the US had cleared the sea lanes of Strait of America of all Iranian mines. Among the weapons deployed to destroy the mines? Underwater drones.
US officials had confirmed the essential claim two days earlier. They said underwater drones had identified more than 100 suspected mines in recent months. Private contractors then disposed of the devices, the officials said. President Donald Trump warned that American forces would destroy any Iranian vessel caught laying new mines.
On July 12, 2026, three Saronic Corsair one-way attack uncrewed surface vessels struck a submarine and a ship maintenance facility at Iran's Bandar Abbas Naval Base, in what U.S. Central Command described as the first American combat employment of sea drones. The strike settled a question this profile left open in June, when the Corsair's offensive role existed in acquisition documents and company material with no combat instance behind it. It settled much less about the platform. The approach was reported as low-speed and uncontested, the launch point, transit distance and warhead were never disclosed, and the released video ends at the explosions. Thirty-four days earlier the same vessel class had recovered two downed Army aviators near the Strait of Hormuz. Behind both events sits a company that has since selected Brownsville, Texas for a shipyard costing more than $3 billion, launched its first 52-foot Mirage, and carries a $9.25 billion valuation against roughly $200 million in estimated 2025 revenue.
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Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 28, 2026 02:30 PM (mmrXZ)
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Yep
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 02:30 PM (VJ0w/)
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Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at August 28, 2026 02:30 PM (EJE3y)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 28, 2026 02:30 PM (mmrXZ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2026 02:31 PM (O0L8i)
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I couldn't find an older video showing drones killing one Russian troop after another, even as they hid inside houses.
It's really, really important that America build a defense against this.
It's really, really important that America build a defense against this.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:31 PM (1wjle)
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Nukes are an Anti-Drone Weapon.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:32 PM (Shi2G)
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>>>More proof Trump is in Putin's pocket.
exactly. I heard Ratcliffe paid Russian prostitutes to poop on the American flag.
exactly. I heard Ratcliffe paid Russian prostitutes to poop on the American flag.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:32 PM (1wjle)
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i think of Ukraine as the first Sci-Fi War. So many robots, so many drones, with AI piloting the attack drones.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:33 PM (1wjle)
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Wow, how did Iran get/develop those Ghadir class subs?
Wow, how did Iran get/develop those Ghadir class subs?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 28, 2026 02:33 PM (mmrXZ)
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>> I heard Ratcliffe paid Russian prostitutes to poop on the American flag.
That's false.
He paid the Russian prostitutes to shit on a Wig that was worn by Michele Obama.
That's false.
He paid the Russian prostitutes to shit on a Wig that was worn by Michele Obama.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:34 PM (Shi2G)
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I am alone with Vladimir
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 28, 2026 02:34 PM (sFNX2)
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>>>He paid the Russian prostitutes to shit on a Wig that was worn by Michele Obama.
The walls are closing in
The walls are closing in
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:34 PM (1wjle)
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Ceuta residents are burning the invader camps. Video on NYP.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 28, 2026 02:35 PM (bX16E)
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Ah, the reason there is a NATO.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 02:36 PM (Fi81e)
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What would Russia attack Poland with? Everything they have is tied up in Ukraine.
I would bet that Poland would have a better chance of taking Moscow than the reverse.
I would bet that Poland would have a better chance of taking Moscow than the reverse.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 02:36 PM (4NO2D)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2026 02:36 PM (O0L8i)
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Did Radcliff meet Putin at the Ritz?
Posted by: muldoon at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (qgHp7)
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Uh….. I simply don’t believe CIA assessments. That org has zero credibility with me. I won’t believe Russia lost this war until I see Zelensky dancing on Putin’s grave. I’m not holding my breath
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (geWO5)
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Nooded, ya no-noodin' bastiges.
Posted by: Nazdar at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (NcvvS)
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>>Ceuta residents are burning the invader camps.
Fuck'n A
It's about god damned time the unwashed masses took things into their own hands.
Fuck'n A
It's about god damned time the unwashed masses took things into their own hands.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (Shi2G)
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Nothing has changed.
We have always been at war with Russia and in solidarity with their people and entirely nazi-free military.
Noting has changed.
Russia badnow always.
We have always been at war with Russia and in solidarity with their people and entirely nazi-free military.
Noting has changed.
Russia bad
Posted by: Oglebay at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (2ap+5)
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Ceuta residents are burning the invader camps. Video on NYP.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
Hopefully, the goatrapers are in them.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
Hopefully, the goatrapers are in them.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (VJ0w/)
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Seriously, we're supposed to believe the CI f'n A?
Posted by: logprof at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (jo6FO)
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So now we know what the CIA director's secret mission was. Got it.
Posted by: t-bird at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (6VEkT)
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Hahahaha, The IRGC placed 200 mines in the Strait. The US Naval forces have removed them all. Of the 200 only 10 were real mines.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (PbWRL)
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Don't we want the Ukraine war to continue for the time being just to keep Russia occupied instead of backing Iran?
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at August 28, 2026 02:38 PM (ImuKY)
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long ago I saw an HBO movie called The Pentagon Wars. It was about the supposedly useless money-sink Bradley Fighting Vehicle. The movie portrayed the Bradley as comical in its uselessness and inability to take a single hit.
Anyway, if you watch those videos, it looks like the Bradley is highly effective and takes out Russian main battle tanks.
HBO is a leftwing propaganda organ. I know that shocks you.
Anyway, if you watch those videos, it looks like the Bradley is highly effective and takes out Russian main battle tanks.
HBO is a leftwing propaganda organ. I know that shocks you.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:38 PM (1wjle)
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John Ratcliffe's Secret Mission to Moscow: Don't Attack NATO, and You Had Better Strike a Deal While a Deal Is Still Possible, Mr. Putin
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No. I don't thinks so. Based on what I've seen and heard, there was a different reason for the visit. This type of strategic message that Euro based braniacs allege would not have been delivered by Ratcliffe. It is not his purview.
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No. I don't thinks so. Based on what I've seen and heard, there was a different reason for the visit. This type of strategic message that Euro based braniacs allege would not have been delivered by Ratcliffe. It is not his purview.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:38 PM (g47mK)
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The other objective was to deliver the CIA's assessment that, despite the US previously figuring that Russia would eventually win the war due to their great advantage in population and war materiel, the CIA now believes that Russia will lose the war, given the disastrous 2026 Russian spring and summer offensives, which are hardly worthy of the name.
Do we know that the CIA can do competent analysis now or are we still assuming that they miss everything important and are going to get blindsided by big events that woudl be plain to anyone on the Internet?
Do we know that the CIA can do competent analysis now or are we still assuming that they miss everything important and are going to get blindsided by big events that woudl be plain to anyone on the Internet?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 28, 2026 02:39 PM (vJrRc)
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The big problem is the EU. They are doing everything they can to keep this conflict active. Recently, Zelenskyy was in the UK trying to work out a deal to create a major manufacturing factory in the UK to produce the Ukaine's drones. EU personnel are providing more direct assistance to Ukraine (via undisclosed personnel) that they should be. And, everytime the US makes a move to settle the conflict, the EU does something contrary to the goal.
The bottom line for the EU is they want escalation that requires US direct involvement, because that fills their treasure chests. They tried to lure us in previously by offering up peace troops, with the caveat that the US serve as an "insurance policy" and jump it if something occurs....which they would have been happy to covertly facilitate deceitfully. Trump didn't fall for that.
The bottom line for the EU is they want escalation that requires US direct involvement, because that fills their treasure chests. They tried to lure us in previously by offering up peace troops, with the caveat that the US serve as an "insurance policy" and jump it if something occurs....which they would have been happy to covertly facilitate deceitfully. Trump didn't fall for that.
Posted by: Orson at August 28, 2026 02:39 PM (dIske)
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Ratcliffe told the head of the FSB that Russia must not attack NATO.
He had to fly there to do it, because a phone call could have been tapped and then everybody would know what he said.
He had to fly there to do it, because a phone call could have been tapped and then everybody would know what he said.
Posted by: t-bird at August 28, 2026 02:39 PM (6VEkT)
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Quibble: It's not a secret if everybody knows about it...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at August 28, 2026 02:39 PM (PGK1w)
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>>> Nothing has changed.
We have always been at war with Russia and in solidarity with their people and entirely nazi-free military.
Noting has changed.
Russia bad now always.
that's right, nothing has changed, despite the weird Russian-intel crafted effort to convince Americans that Putin is a really nice guy and just wants to defend Christianity against the gays.
We have always been at war with Russia and in solidarity with their people and entirely nazi-free military.
Noting has changed.
Russia bad now always.
that's right, nothing has changed, despite the weird Russian-intel crafted effort to convince Americans that Putin is a really nice guy and just wants to defend Christianity against the gays.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (1wjle)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (O0L8i)
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1. So one of the most backward, basket-case countries in all Europe, that can't build a single mechanical product of sufficient quality to export, nevertheless has Heechee drone tech? Nah, not buying it.
2. Russia seized and controls at least 20% of Ukraine. But Russia is losing the war? I don't think that's how this works.
3. Can both these terrible countries lose?
4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
2. Russia seized and controls at least 20% of Ukraine. But Russia is losing the war? I don't think that's how this works.
3. Can both these terrible countries lose?
4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (iFTx/)
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>>33 Quibble: It's not a secret if everybody knows about it...
well it was kind of secret earlier in the week
well it was kind of secret earlier in the week
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (1wjle)
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Anti-drone tech seems like it's going to be very difficult. I hope they figure it out, because those little bastards are like mosquitoes. Carpet bombing might have to make a comeback.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 02:41 PM (n5tGW)
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The more likely story, to my mind, is some prisoner exchange. And not just any prisoner, a VIP that Russians grabbed in Ukraine.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:41 PM (g47mK)
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34 that's right, nothing has changed, despite the weird Russian-intel crafted effort to convince Americans that Putin is a really nice guy and just wants to defend Christianity against the gays.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (1wjle)
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Church attendance in Russia is lower than in France. Russia bombed a bunch of churches in Ukraine.
It's a weird stance to take, for sure.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (1wjle)
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Church attendance in Russia is lower than in France. Russia bombed a bunch of churches in Ukraine.
It's a weird stance to take, for sure.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:41 PM (/PKja)
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On July 12, 2026, three Saronic Corsair one-way attack uncrewed surface vessels of the struck a submarine
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Yeah right. Sure they did. Because everything always goes exactly as planned.
Oh wait I thought that said Sardonic vessels.
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Yeah right. Sure they did. Because everything always goes exactly as planned.
Oh wait I thought that said Sardonic vessels.
Posted by: ... at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (JunZe)
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The UAE has built drone proof fencing around all of their oil facilities.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (PbWRL)
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>>Anti-drone tech seems like it's going to be very difficult. I hope they figure it out, because those little bastards are like mosquitoes. Carpet bombing might have to make a comeback.
Brutality Wins Conflict.
Brutality Wins Conflict.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (Shi2G)
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And here I thought the conversation in Moscow had more to do with UK providing nuclear-warhead capable missiles (or at least the license to build them) to Ukraine—who has escalated into attacking civilians, not just military targets.
If you were in Russia and saw a nuclear-warhead capable missile coming your way, what are you supposed to do? Let it land and then sift through the smoke and ruins to determine if the war has escalated?
The Islamo-fascist UK needs to be cut loose from NATO since they have demonstrated that they no longer want to be part of civilized society.
If you were in Russia and saw a nuclear-warhead capable missile coming your way, what are you supposed to do? Let it land and then sift through the smoke and ruins to determine if the war has escalated?
The Islamo-fascist UK needs to be cut loose from NATO since they have demonstrated that they no longer want to be part of civilized society.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (a6PrB)
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Interesting position Trump is in. He knows, and so does Putin, that not only was the Russia hoax completely fake and largely generated with fake information from Ukraine, the reason Russia invaded Ukraine was because the Obama/Biden administration including the CIA and others, ran a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and took down an elected government friendly to Russia.
Interesting place to negotiate from. Trump and Putin both know what really happened but exposing it to the world has implications for both and not good ones for the US. Good for Trump, not so good for the US on the world stage.
Interesting place to negotiate from. Trump and Putin both know what really happened but exposing it to the world has implications for both and not good ones for the US. Good for Trump, not so good for the US on the world stage.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (viF8m)
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14 Ceuta residents are burning the invader camps. Video on NYP.
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I found it somewhat disturbing that the natives were largley dressed in shorts and t-shirts. Don't they know anything about dressing for combat? Jeez, even antifa does it better.
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I found it somewhat disturbing that the natives were largley dressed in shorts and t-shirts. Don't they know anything about dressing for combat? Jeez, even antifa does it better.
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 28, 2026 02:43 PM (sFNX2)
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24 Seriously, we're supposed to believe the CI f'n A?
Posted by: logprof
I believe in the pictures of long gas lines there, and the worldwide price of diesel.
Ukraine is within reach of shutting Russian fuel off completely.
Posted by: logprof
I believe in the pictures of long gas lines there, and the worldwide price of diesel.
Ukraine is within reach of shutting Russian fuel off completely.
Posted by: Auspex at August 28, 2026 02:43 PM (Y8DZL)
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Russia won't pick a fight with Poland. They've been hardening their army for a while, and are now spending damned near 5% of their GDP on it.
No one else in NATO comes close.
No one else in NATO comes close.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (wtvvX)
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>>>38 Anti-drone tech seems like it's going to be very difficult. I hope they figure it out, because those little bastards are like mosquitoes. Carpet bombing might have to make a comeback.
They have a gun with a computerized fire control that estimates where a drone will be by the time the bullet gets to it, and locks the trigger until it calculates the gun is aimed at the right place.
I don't know how effective that is.
I'm happily impressed at how well American war tech seems to be working so I'm hopeful we will figure this out.
Directed energy weapons are part of this. They just jam drones' communications and guidance. But AI is the answer to this, as an AI drone doesn't rely on communications with its operator and also doesn't need GPS guidance. They can fly by scanning the ground.
but also they'll probably be putting money into laser-trucks.
They have a gun with a computerized fire control that estimates where a drone will be by the time the bullet gets to it, and locks the trigger until it calculates the gun is aimed at the right place.
I don't know how effective that is.
I'm happily impressed at how well American war tech seems to be working so I'm hopeful we will figure this out.
Directed energy weapons are part of this. They just jam drones' communications and guidance. But AI is the answer to this, as an AI drone doesn't rely on communications with its operator and also doesn't need GPS guidance. They can fly by scanning the ground.
but also they'll probably be putting money into laser-trucks.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (1wjle)
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Uh….. I simply don’t believe CIA assessments.
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I don't believe that online publication, or any outlet, got a hold of a real CIA assessment. Russia cut off Ukraine from any and all trade in the Black Sea. So much so, that Zelenskyi proposed a temporary ceasefire. And what gets disseminated ? That Ukraine is winning the Black Sea!
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I don't believe that online publication, or any outlet, got a hold of a real CIA assessment. Russia cut off Ukraine from any and all trade in the Black Sea. So much so, that Zelenskyi proposed a temporary ceasefire. And what gets disseminated ? That Ukraine is winning the Black Sea!
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (g47mK)
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4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (iFTx/)
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Iran is now complaining that the US is committing terrorism, Bloomberg has admitted that the strait is effectively open (2/3 of pre-conflict oil getting through, plus all the redirects), the only ships "hit" by Iran these days are either made up or ships that were allowed through the blockade to deliver grain...to Iran, the rial is worth about 2 million to the dollar, and Iran has pretty much admitted that the Gayatollah is dead.
But other than that, Iran is dominating America.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 02:40 PM (iFTx/)
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Iran is now complaining that the US is committing terrorism, Bloomberg has admitted that the strait is effectively open (2/3 of pre-conflict oil getting through, plus all the redirects), the only ships "hit" by Iran these days are either made up or ships that were allowed through the blockade to deliver grain...to Iran, the rial is worth about 2 million to the dollar, and Iran has pretty much admitted that the Gayatollah is dead.
But other than that, Iran is dominating America.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (/PKja)
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and just wants to defend Christianity against the gays.
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I like to have my Christianity against the gays
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I like to have my Christianity against the gays
Posted by: Talarico at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (JunZe)
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43 >>Anti-drone tech seems like it's going to be very difficult. I hope they figure it out, because those little bastards are like mosquitoes. Carpet bombing might have to make a comeback.
Brutality Wins Conflict.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (Shi2G)
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Mark Rober has a video about all this!
Brutality Wins Conflict.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:42 PM (Shi2G)
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Mark Rober has a video about all this!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (/PKja)
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generals and staffers who give Putin bad news tend to exit tall buildings from high windows.
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I know very little about Putin, but I'm surprised to see this. I thought the guy was more realistic.
generals and staffers who give Putin bad news tend to exit tall buildings from high windows.
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I know very little about Putin, but I'm surprised to see this. I thought the guy was more realistic.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (mmrXZ)
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The Russians are coming close to finishing the capture of the Donbas. They're pushing the Ukes back in other areas also
However they've lost a ton of men in this war. NATO has watched and learned from the development of drone warfare.
While Europe , except Poland are militarily not in good shape we still dominate and it wouldn't go well for the Russians.
However they've lost a ton of men in this war. NATO has watched and learned from the development of drone warfare.
While Europe , except Poland are militarily not in good shape we still dominate and it wouldn't go well for the Russians.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (EZWVc)
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>>>44 And here I thought the conversation in Moscow had more to do with UK providing nuclear-warhead capable missiles (or at least the license to build them) to Ukraine—who has escalated into attacking civilians, not just military targets.
lol
Russia has been sending missiles at Ukrainian cities since the beginning of the war.
Poor Russia! They invaded a country and that mean Nazi country fought back!
he just wants to defend Christianity from The Gays!
lol
Russia has been sending missiles at Ukrainian cities since the beginning of the war.
Poor Russia! They invaded a country and that mean Nazi country fought back!
he just wants to defend Christianity from The Gays!
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (1wjle)
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Asymmetric warfare victory. USSR crushed a Hungarian revolt in 1956. Seventy years later, Ukraine is winning against Russia, a superpower.
I doubt that the USA has a defense against attacks by a large number of drones at this time
I doubt that the USA has a defense against attacks by a large number of drones at this time
Posted by: JM in Illinois at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (llBIB)
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Check out some more news Elric. Drones are hitting deep into Russia now and almost daily in Moscow. Oil refineries and storage have been key targets for a while.
Either way, I am with you if both countries can lose.
Either way, I am with you if both countries can lose.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (n5tGW)
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46 14 Ceuta residents are burning the invader camps. Video on NYP.
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I found it somewhat disturbing that the natives were largley dressed in shorts and t-shirts. Don't they know anything about dressing for combat? Jeez, even antifa does it better.
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 28, 2026 02:43 PM (sFNX2)
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"Well, at least they weren't in fucking jeans."
-George Will
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I found it somewhat disturbing that the natives were largley dressed in shorts and t-shirts. Don't they know anything about dressing for combat? Jeez, even antifa does it better.
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 28, 2026 02:43 PM (sFNX2)
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"Well, at least they weren't in fucking jeans."
-George Will
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (/PKja)
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Speaking of Canada . . .
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
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So now postpartum abortion?
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
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So now postpartum abortion?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
61
Do we know that the CIA can do competent analysis now or are we still assuming that they miss everything important and are going to get blindsided by big events that woudl be plain to anyone on the Internet?
That would be funny if Ratliff went to Moscow to have counter-intelligence from the FSB to do a compare and contrast with the lies and propaganda coming from Deep State operatives at Foggy Bottom.
That would be funny if Ratliff went to Moscow to have counter-intelligence from the FSB to do a compare and contrast with the lies and propaganda coming from Deep State operatives at Foggy Bottom.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (NzX/y)
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>>>That Ukraine is winning the Black Sea!
They are. Russia's ships have pulled back to the coasts and the ports.
They are. Russia's ships have pulled back to the coasts and the ports.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (1wjle)
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Poor Russia! They invaded a country and that mean Nazi country fought back!
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (1wjle
I mean... The Ukes are where actual Nazis are.
Just like WW11, it's the Nazis fighting the Communists.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (1wjle
I mean... The Ukes are where actual Nazis are.
Just like WW11, it's the Nazis fighting the Communists.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at August 28, 2026 02:47 PM (PGK1w)
Posted by: t-bird at August 28, 2026 02:47 PM (6VEkT)
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He noted that the life expectancy of a Russian soldier on the front lines was less than 35 minutes.
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This is bullshit. Doing the math, if only 1,000 Russians were manning what are called the front lines (which is obviously a ridiculous underestimate), then at a 35 minute life span they'd have 41,142 dead per day just to keep those positions manned.
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This is bullshit. Doing the math, if only 1,000 Russians were manning what are called the front lines (which is obviously a ridiculous underestimate), then at a 35 minute life span they'd have 41,142 dead per day just to keep those positions manned.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 28, 2026 02:47 PM (XvL8K)
66
Either way, I am with you if both countries can lose.
So what you are voting for is #1 and #2 exporters of wheat to both lose.
So what you are voting for is #1 and #2 exporters of wheat to both lose.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 02:47 PM (NzX/y)
67
I am buoyed by the fact that we have a massive superiority in our nuclear arsenal -- yield, stealth, delivery systems, penetration, and targeting. I would bypass any conventional response to an attack on NATO by a full scale punitive deathstrike on Russian command and control
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 28, 2026 02:48 PM (qwx/I)
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. It has become increasingly clear that Ukraine is not going to give up its fight in the east, even with reduced U.S. military support.
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Wut?
There is no reduction in US support. The US is barely more than halfway done disbursing the aid passed under Biden, and added another $400m under Trump.
This is more lies from the lying media.
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Wut?
There is no reduction in US support. The US is barely more than halfway done disbursing the aid passed under Biden, and added another $400m under Trump.
This is more lies from the lying media.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 28, 2026 02:48 PM (BI5O2)
69
One of the best traits about Trump is that he's quick to recognize a mistake and backtrack, without being stuck on it. It's reassuring to see Trump himself now adopting all the arguments that those of us who were critical of the MOU at the outset were making.
I also believe that we have now settled into a sustainable low cost, low risk tactical posture that can crack Iran without much kinetic effort on our part. Most wars start off with bad battle plans that don't survive first contact with the enemy - the key to victory is adapting and improvising as it develops.
I also believe that we have now settled into a sustainable low cost, low risk tactical posture that can crack Iran without much kinetic effort on our part. Most wars start off with bad battle plans that don't survive first contact with the enemy - the key to victory is adapting and improvising as it develops.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:48 PM (edUvp)
70
Oh, and there's also this, regarding the Strait of Hormuz:
https://x.com/MorseReport/status/
2093384909461365040
"Recent satellite imagery suggests that the Department of War has conducted a covert dredging operation to open up a never-before-used shipping corridor through the Omani side of the Strait of Hormuz."
We just cut a new waterway that Iran can't even see if they still had their towers and binoculars, much less hit with missiles that they don't have anymore.
https://x.com/MorseReport/status/
2093384909461365040
"Recent satellite imagery suggests that the Department of War has conducted a covert dredging operation to open up a never-before-used shipping corridor through the Omani side of the Strait of Hormuz."
We just cut a new waterway that Iran can't even see if they still had their towers and binoculars, much less hit with missiles that they don't have anymore.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:48 PM (/PKja)
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There is also some other stuff that casual observers don't follow. Putin brought back Gen. Surovikin. And several people with ...knowledge of that means, think that this is in preparation of some offensive.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:48 PM (g47mK)
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>>>I mean... The Ukes are where actual Nazis are.
Just like WW11, it's the Nazis fighting the Communists.
Uh huh. You mean that Ukranians wanted to be free of Russia and made the enemy-of-my-enemy choice to join Germany.
Yes that's bad.
Whose side of WWII was Ireland on? They made the same calculation and declared war on the UK.
Would we say the Irish are Nazis?
I mean, this is all silly nonsense.
Just like WW11, it's the Nazis fighting the Communists.
Uh huh. You mean that Ukranians wanted to be free of Russia and made the enemy-of-my-enemy choice to join Germany.
Yes that's bad.
Whose side of WWII was Ireland on? They made the same calculation and declared war on the UK.
Would we say the Irish are Nazis?
I mean, this is all silly nonsense.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (1wjle)
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36 1. So one of the most backward, basket-case countries in all Europe, that can't build a single mechanical product of sufficient quality to export, nevertheless has Heechee drone tech? Nah, not buying it.
2. Russia seized and controls at least 20% of Ukraine. But Russia is losing the war? I don't think that's how this works.
3. Can both these terrible countries lose?
4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I'll address point 2. Germany held a greater part of France in WWI but yet ended up losing. Why. Its internal economy collapsed under Allied blockade. Its civilians were starving.
Gaining territory for territory's sake is what did in Shitler and that Froggie bloke. Same with launching attacks on Ukrainian cities rather than dispersed military targets.
2. Russia seized and controls at least 20% of Ukraine. But Russia is losing the war? I don't think that's how this works.
3. Can both these terrible countries lose?
4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I'll address point 2. Germany held a greater part of France in WWI but yet ended up losing. Why. Its internal economy collapsed under Allied blockade. Its civilians were starving.
Gaining territory for territory's sake is what did in Shitler and that Froggie bloke. Same with launching attacks on Ukrainian cities rather than dispersed military targets.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (E4rtv)
74
Go long on giant nets. You’ll thank me later.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (Mzuzg)
75
What if there are no good guys in this fight? Why do I have to be on anyone's side other than my own countries?
Is Putin a bad actor? Absofuckinglutely. Are the puppets running Ukraine any better? No.
Has nothing to do with the citizens who always get caught in the crossfire. The people running both countries suck.
Is Putin a bad actor? Absofuckinglutely. Are the puppets running Ukraine any better? No.
Has nothing to do with the citizens who always get caught in the crossfire. The people running both countries suck.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (viF8m)
76
Ottawa is itching to do some culling.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (VJ0w/)
77
Ukraine has turned out the equivalent to the Spanish Civil War. Expect its lessons to play out in the next major conflict.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (OUMaO)
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>>This is bullshit. Doing the math, if only 1,000 Russians were manning what are called the front lines (which is obviously a ridiculous underestimate), then at a 35 minute life span they'd have 41,142 dead per day just to keep those positions manned.
87% of the time, Statistics are Made Up 100% of the time.
87% of the time, Statistics are Made Up 100% of the time.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (Shi2G)
79
46 I believe the locals are not dressed like Antifa because their cops will target them.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (bX16E)
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Gotta admit, I underestimated the Ukes and/or overestimated the Rooskies. I really thought Putin would stomp them like Godzilla and Bambi.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (vTZFs)
81
18 Did Radcliff meet Putin at the Ritz?
Posted by: muldoon at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (qgHp7)
SOOPER - DOOPER!!!
Posted by: muldoon at August 28, 2026 02:37 PM (qgHp7)
SOOPER - DOOPER!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (wtvvX)
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Russia needs to deploy battlefield nukes against the Ukes.
Number 1, to see if they work.
Number 2, to send a message.
Number 3, for the fun of it.
Number 1, to see if they work.
Number 2, to send a message.
Number 3, for the fun of it.
Posted by: Old Iron Pants at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (QRHoA)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (ndZc7)
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>>>74 Go long on giant nets. You’ll thank me later.
oh they're already doing that. They've got all of this netting and fencing on top of their tanks.
I think I saw a weapon that deploys a net as it approaches a drone to drop it.
oh they're already doing that. They've got all of this netting and fencing on top of their tanks.
I think I saw a weapon that deploys a net as it approaches a drone to drop it.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:50 PM (1wjle)
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They are. Russia's ships have pulled back to the coasts and the ports.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (1wjle)
Ace, Ukraine is dead without Black sea trade, not Russia. That is how Ukraine got their grain out. Now Russia cut them off, and nothing gets through.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (1wjle)
Ace, Ukraine is dead without Black sea trade, not Russia. That is how Ukraine got their grain out. Now Russia cut them off, and nothing gets through.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:51 PM (g47mK)
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Speaking of Canada . . .
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
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So now postpartum abortion?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
That’s the only thing Lindsay Clancy is guilty of! — AWFL Karen’s everywhere
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
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So now postpartum abortion?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
That’s the only thing Lindsay Clancy is guilty of! — AWFL Karen’s everywhere
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 28, 2026 02:51 PM (geWO5)
87
Russia as constituted was never going to be our "Ally" in recent decades, but insofar as possible cooperation and mutual areas of interest were concerned it was worth cultivating or maintaining good relations in those areas.
I believe the idea was to kneecap whatever good relations were possible, probably on the orders of Beijing, or adjacent. Ukraine is easily one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. It was astonishing to see how quickly they upload the new programming narrative.
"Freedom and Democracy! Let's give them Eleventy Gazillion Dollars RIGHT NOW, OR ELSE!"
I believe the idea was to kneecap whatever good relations were possible, probably on the orders of Beijing, or adjacent. Ukraine is easily one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. It was astonishing to see how quickly they upload the new programming narrative.
"Freedom and Democracy! Let's give them Eleventy Gazillion Dollars RIGHT NOW, OR ELSE!"
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 02:51 PM (rQ950)
88
While Europe , except Poland are militarily not in good shape we still dominate and it wouldn't go well for the Russians.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (EZWVc)
There are a plethora of online video's showing huge lines waiting for gas and diesel across Russia - in many cities, it's no longer available at any price. Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (EZWVc)
There are a plethora of online video's showing huge lines waiting for gas and diesel across Russia - in many cities, it's no longer available at any price. Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (edUvp)
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I don't know how effective that is.
Posted by: ace
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I think the problem is that is is very expensive Like, 10s of k per shell.
The solution to drones is probably going to be ... more drones. Just like the solution to artillery was counter battery artillery.
What scares me is when AI replaces GPS for navigation and AI replaces the fiber optic or radio for targeting. Then these damn things wil be fully autonomous.
Posted by: ace
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I think the problem is that is is very expensive Like, 10s of k per shell.
The solution to drones is probably going to be ... more drones. Just like the solution to artillery was counter battery artillery.
What scares me is when AI replaces GPS for navigation and AI replaces the fiber optic or radio for targeting. Then these damn things wil be fully autonomous.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (ImuKY)
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>>So what you are voting for is #1 and #2 exporters of wheat to both lose.
That's fine. New markets and all of that.
We'd be better off producing more Wheat than Corn, anyway.
That's fine. New markets and all of that.
We'd be better off producing more Wheat than Corn, anyway.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (Shi2G)
91
Andrei, you've lost another submarine?
Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (LHPAg)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (Cqx++)
93
BTW, Russia was on the Nazis' side in WWII and conquered poland in coordination with hitler.
Had you forgotten?
Russia was great friends with the Nazis... until the Nazis invaded.
Like I said, this is all twitter-argument nonsense. It's silly.
Had you forgotten?
Russia was great friends with the Nazis... until the Nazis invaded.
Like I said, this is all twitter-argument nonsense. It's silly.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (1wjle)
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I like this, but I also don't trust the CIA.
Regarding the Strait of Hormuz, it turns out Iran just chucked a bunch of metal trash into the water and claimed it was mines, for the most part. There were 11 actual mines and an unholy large mess that wasn't dangerous.
Regarding the Strait of Hormuz, it turns out Iran just chucked a bunch of metal trash into the water and claimed it was mines, for the most part. There were 11 actual mines and an unholy large mess that wasn't dangerous.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (P9pDS)
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91 Andrei, you've lost another submarine?
Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (LHPAg)
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*looks off meaningfully in the distance*
-Andrei Rublev
Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (LHPAg)
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*looks off meaningfully in the distance*
-Andrei Rublev
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (/PKja)
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71 There is also some other stuff that casual observers don't follow. Putin brought back Gen. Surovikin. And several people with ...knowledge of that means, think that this is in preparation of some offensive.
Posted by: runner
Doesn't change the logistics problem with declining petroleum refining and far better Ukrainian targeting. Putin has made this war into a war for his own survival as has Zelinsky. Neither can climb off the tiger or they will undoubtedly be eaten by who comes next.
Prediction, continued bloody stalemate until someone, probably Russia as long is Putin is in charge due to frustrations, does something incredibly stupid. He lost the moral justification for his war pretty early on and he is now losing strategically while he is winning scant yards of territory at a massive cost of lives.
Posted by: runner
Doesn't change the logistics problem with declining petroleum refining and far better Ukrainian targeting. Putin has made this war into a war for his own survival as has Zelinsky. Neither can climb off the tiger or they will undoubtedly be eaten by who comes next.
Prediction, continued bloody stalemate until someone, probably Russia as long is Putin is in charge due to frustrations, does something incredibly stupid. He lost the moral justification for his war pretty early on and he is now losing strategically while he is winning scant yards of territory at a massive cost of lives.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (E4rtv)
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as "conservatives," we used to be aware that Hitler's first major power ally was Russia.
We used to know this. I guess we forgot it as it's inconvenient and hurts our dumb twitter arguments.
We used to know this. I guess we forgot it as it's inconvenient and hurts our dumb twitter arguments.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (1wjle)
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33,000: that's how many drones China can synchronize in an aerial light show today.
Posted by: JM in Illinois at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (llBIB)
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94 I like this, but I also don't trust the CIA.
Regarding the Strait of Hormuz, it turns out Iran just chucked a bunch of metal trash into the water and claimed it was mines, for the most part. There were 11 actual mines and an unholy large mess that wasn't dangerous.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (P9pDS)
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Most of the 11 weren't effective because they weren't properly deployed.
Regarding the Strait of Hormuz, it turns out Iran just chucked a bunch of metal trash into the water and claimed it was mines, for the most part. There were 11 actual mines and an unholy large mess that wasn't dangerous.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (P9pDS)
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Most of the 11 weren't effective because they weren't properly deployed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (/PKja)
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Uh huh. You mean that Ukranians wanted to be free of Russia and made the enemy-of-my-enemy choice to join Germany.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (1wjle)
No, actually. I mean today. There are actual, real-life Nazis fighting for Ukraine.
I'm not saying anything other than that. I draw no conclusions and take no moral positions because of it. I'm saying the Azov Battalion is real.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (1wjle)
No, actually. I mean today. There are actual, real-life Nazis fighting for Ukraine.
I'm not saying anything other than that. I draw no conclusions and take no moral positions because of it. I'm saying the Azov Battalion is real.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (PGK1w)
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Ace, Ukraine is dead without Black sea trade, not Russia. That is how Ukraine got their grain out. Now Russia cut them off, and nothing gets through.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:51 PM (g47mK)
Saw a piece today about how Ukraine is shipping grain overland to be transferred down the Danube, but this can only carry a fraction of what used to go by cargo ship. Predicted famine in parts of the middle east soon, which relies on Ukrainian grain imports.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:51 PM (g47mK)
Saw a piece today about how Ukraine is shipping grain overland to be transferred down the Danube, but this can only carry a fraction of what used to go by cargo ship. Predicted famine in parts of the middle east soon, which relies on Ukrainian grain imports.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:54 PM (edUvp)
102
Go long on giant nets. You’ll thank me later.
Is the WNBA deploying anti-dildo countermeasures again?
Is the WNBA deploying anti-dildo countermeasures again?
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 02:54 PM (P9pDS)
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74 Go long on giant nets. You’ll thank me later.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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I always thought nets would fail -- all you need is a second drone to go through the hole.
But I don't see that happening -- I wonder why.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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I always thought nets would fail -- all you need is a second drone to go through the hole.
But I don't see that happening -- I wonder why.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at August 28, 2026 02:54 PM (ImuKY)
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I would bet that Poland would have a better chance of taking Moscow than the reverse
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Make the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Great Again!
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Make the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Great Again!
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 28, 2026 02:55 PM (5yDGQ)
105
What is this? Some sort of smart milblog?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 28, 2026 02:55 PM (dK+Kv)
106
>> If you were in Russia and saw a nuclear-warhead capable missile coming your way, what are you supposed to do?
It’s pretty clear for whatever reason you feel a need to advance at least part of Putin’s sophism. But the fact is this is Putin’s war of choice. He started it and used NATO as a pretext to do it. He also thought, as Ace noted this would be over quickly. But the fact is Putin has single handily changed the face of warfare, and not to his advantage. He proved you no longer need to be a near peer actor to not just stay in the battle, but to win a war by virtue of perseverance. Ukraine is wrecking Russia’s economy and destroying what is otherwise a great country for his ego. He no longer has NATO to use as his pretext, and his casual belli is essentially gone. The Russian people see it. His top tier military leaders see it, and they’re also not very fond of what looks like subservience to the Chinese. This all has the danger of spiraling out of control, which is why the agency thinks he may make a desperate move.
It’s pretty clear for whatever reason you feel a need to advance at least part of Putin’s sophism. But the fact is this is Putin’s war of choice. He started it and used NATO as a pretext to do it. He also thought, as Ace noted this would be over quickly. But the fact is Putin has single handily changed the face of warfare, and not to his advantage. He proved you no longer need to be a near peer actor to not just stay in the battle, but to win a war by virtue of perseverance. Ukraine is wrecking Russia’s economy and destroying what is otherwise a great country for his ego. He no longer has NATO to use as his pretext, and his casual belli is essentially gone. The Russian people see it. His top tier military leaders see it, and they’re also not very fond of what looks like subservience to the Chinese. This all has the danger of spiraling out of control, which is why the agency thinks he may make a desperate move.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2026 02:55 PM (7S15B)
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2. Russia seized and controls at least 20% of Ukraine. But Russia is losing the war? I don't think that's how this works.
3. Can both these terrible countries lose?
4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I'll address point 2. Germany held a greater part of France in WWI but yet ended up losing. Why. Its internal economy collapsed under Allied blockade. Its civilians were starving.
Gaining territory for territory's sake is what did in Shitler and that Froggie bloke. Same with launching attacks on Ukrainian cities rather than dispersed military targets.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (E4rtv)
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Except France didn't defeat Germany. If the war was just France and Germany, Germany would have easily won.
3. Can both these terrible countries lose?
4. The fact that Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine is back in the news after largely disappearing telegraphs to me that Iran is going very well for the USA.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I'll address point 2. Germany held a greater part of France in WWI but yet ended up losing. Why. Its internal economy collapsed under Allied blockade. Its civilians were starving.
Gaining territory for territory's sake is what did in Shitler and that Froggie bloke. Same with launching attacks on Ukrainian cities rather than dispersed military targets.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 02:49 PM (E4rtv)
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Except France didn't defeat Germany. If the war was just France and Germany, Germany would have easily won.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (iFTx/)
108
Yes, we have wheat.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (n5tGW)
109
Speaking of Canada . . .
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
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Ya know, that's one of the things that started breaking down my disbelief.
I outsmarted myself. I had been a Catholic. I had cited how abortion would result in a "decline of the value of life". And then I got "sophisticated". There didn't seem to be a irrefutable (that matters as an "atheist") interaction there.
But after it got to a certain point, I realized that I had "predicted" the decline in valuing human life much better as a Catholic, than as a non-believer.
We're here now, and this is probably not a nadir.
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
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Ya know, that's one of the things that started breaking down my disbelief.
I outsmarted myself. I had been a Catholic. I had cited how abortion would result in a "decline of the value of life". And then I got "sophisticated". There didn't seem to be a irrefutable (that matters as an "atheist") interaction there.
But after it got to a certain point, I realized that I had "predicted" the decline in valuing human life much better as a Catholic, than as a non-believer.
We're here now, and this is probably not a nadir.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (Fi81e)
110
Saw a piece today about how Ukraine is shipping grain overland to be transferred down the Danube, but this can only carry a fraction of what used to go by cargo ship. Predicted famine in parts of the middle east soon, which relies on Ukrainian grain imports.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:54 PM (edUvp)
We have so much grain....
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:54 PM (edUvp)
We have so much grain....
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (g47mK)
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One thing the supplying the Ukes has done ( not including the graft for the elite) is that it has bled the Russians badly. They may end up victorious but economically and population wise they won't be in good shape in the long run
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (EZWVc)
112
I would bet that Poland would have a better chance of taking Moscow than the reverse
Something something "when the winged hussars arrived"...
Something something "when the winged hussars arrived"...
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (P9pDS)
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88 While Europe , except Poland are militarily not in good shape we still dominate and it wouldn't go well for the Russians.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (EZWVc)
There are a plethora of online video's showing huge lines waiting for gas and diesel across Russia - in many cities, it's no longer available at any price. Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Some folks here pretty early on decided to side with one or the other in that contest. To me, it is more like Iran-Iraq war, a pity that both could not lose which ironically is pretty much on point. Ukraine cannot win in a conventional contest like retaking its territory by defeating russians and moving its troops into the occupied regions.
Russia appears increasingly unable to win either--it has meager territorial gains while hollowing out and destroying its economy to the point that it is far more at risk from the Chicoms moving into a vacuum in the East.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 02:45 PM (EZWVc)
There are a plethora of online video's showing huge lines waiting for gas and diesel across Russia - in many cities, it's no longer available at any price. Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Some folks here pretty early on decided to side with one or the other in that contest. To me, it is more like Iran-Iraq war, a pity that both could not lose which ironically is pretty much on point. Ukraine cannot win in a conventional contest like retaking its territory by defeating russians and moving its troops into the occupied regions.
Russia appears increasingly unable to win either--it has meager territorial gains while hollowing out and destroying its economy to the point that it is far more at risk from the Chicoms moving into a vacuum in the East.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 02:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Predicted famine in parts of the middle east soon, which relies on Ukrainian grain imports.
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Betwee them, Russia and Ukraine represent about 10% of the global production of calories. Not good for anybody, the way I see it, if they are at war with each other.
Fertilizer, sunflower oil, wheat, petroleum, natural gas, etc. Russia still provides many aerospace materials and rare earths, as well as re-processing spent nuclear fuel rods. That fuckhead from Plains, Georgia decided we weren't going to do things like that. Well, somebody has to.
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Betwee them, Russia and Ukraine represent about 10% of the global production of calories. Not good for anybody, the way I see it, if they are at war with each other.
Fertilizer, sunflower oil, wheat, petroleum, natural gas, etc. Russia still provides many aerospace materials and rare earths, as well as re-processing spent nuclear fuel rods. That fuckhead from Plains, Georgia decided we weren't going to do things like that. Well, somebody has to.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 02:57 PM (rQ950)
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Artillery, the Queen of the battlmilligrams?
https://t.ly/kcPyA
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (Cqx++)
We need artillery drones.
https://t.ly/kcPyA
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM (Cqx++)
We need artillery drones.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (dK+Kv)
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There was a lot of cool anti-drone stuff at some recent defense trade show in Europe. Benelli had an automated turret with 8 shot guns and there was another one with 4 machine guns.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (Mzuzg)
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We burn our crops in the gas tank.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (n5tGW)
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BTW, Russia was on the Nazis' side in WWII and conquered poland in coordination with hitler.
Posted by: ace
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And I've still never seen a satisfactory explanation for why Britain and France didn't declare war on Russia for doing the exact same thing Germany did. Whereas they had an expedition fitted out to help the Finns when Russia invaded. Makes no sense to me.
Posted by: ace
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And I've still never seen a satisfactory explanation for why Britain and France didn't declare war on Russia for doing the exact same thing Germany did. Whereas they had an expedition fitted out to help the Finns when Russia invaded. Makes no sense to me.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (XvL8K)
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No, actually. I mean today. There are actual, real-life Nazis fighting for Ukraine.
I'm not saying anything other than that. I draw no conclusions and take no moral positions because of it. I'm saying the Azov Battalion is real.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (PGK1w)
And there are (or at least were) actual real life Nazi's running for Senator from Maine. I'm not that worked up about the significance of the designation anymore.
I have from the beginning taken the position that this is a fight between two organized crime gangs on the other side of the world, and there's no reason for me to cheerlead for either one. But the war has been worth following a little just to see the huge jumps in drone tech and tactics. 21st century warfare is here, old methods are obsolete now.
I'm not saying anything other than that. I draw no conclusions and take no moral positions because of it. I'm saying the Azov Battalion is real.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (PGK1w)
And there are (or at least were) actual real life Nazi's running for Senator from Maine. I'm not that worked up about the significance of the designation anymore.
I have from the beginning taken the position that this is a fight between two organized crime gangs on the other side of the world, and there's no reason for me to cheerlead for either one. But the war has been worth following a little just to see the huge jumps in drone tech and tactics. 21st century warfare is here, old methods are obsolete now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (edUvp)
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>>>>> If you were in Russia and saw a nuclear-warhead capable missile coming your way, what are you supposed to do?
They might do something like fund terrorist groups to attack the US and its allies. Oh wait they've been doing that for 70 years.
I guess they might give Iranian targeting information that Iran doesn't have itself so Iran can hit our bases in Jordan with missiles. Oh wait they've done that too.
They might do something like fund terrorist groups to attack the US and its allies. Oh wait they've been doing that for 70 years.
I guess they might give Iranian targeting information that Iran doesn't have itself so Iran can hit our bases in Jordan with missiles. Oh wait they've done that too.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (1wjle)
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as "conservatives," we used to be aware that Hitler's first major power ally was Russia.
We used to know this. I guess we forgot it as it's inconvenient and hurts our dumb twitter arguments.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (1wjle)
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Why not?
Because it's verboten to know that this was a "Well, we're both socialists" type of affinity. Back then it seemed natural: authoritarian ideological socialist with authoritarian ideological socialist.
We used to know this. I guess we forgot it as it's inconvenient and hurts our dumb twitter arguments.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:53 PM (1wjle)
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Why not?
Because it's verboten to know that this was a "Well, we're both socialists" type of affinity. Back then it seemed natural: authoritarian ideological socialist with authoritarian ideological socialist.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (Fi81e)
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Someday we are going to need a long thread starting with the history of NATO, its broken promises and relentless move eastward, the Bucharest NATO Summit in 2008, the subsequent invasion of Georgia by Russia and the 2014 Maidan coup.
The war in Ukraine did not start in a vacuum and they aren't all good guys because Putin is a bad guy. It's not nearly as black and white as some try to paint it.
The CIA was invented to topple governments. That's what it does. Including our own. Does it seem just a bit of a coincidence that they tried to take down Trump by claiming he was a Russian asset a couple years after Hillary's failed "reset" button diplomacy in Russia and then got much of the dirt to frame Trump and his team from Ukraine?
The war in Ukraine did not start in a vacuum and they aren't all good guys because Putin is a bad guy. It's not nearly as black and white as some try to paint it.
The CIA was invented to topple governments. That's what it does. Including our own. Does it seem just a bit of a coincidence that they tried to take down Trump by claiming he was a Russian asset a couple years after Hillary's failed "reset" button diplomacy in Russia and then got much of the dirt to frame Trump and his team from Ukraine?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (viF8m)
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What is this? Some sort of smart milblog?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Not until Lt. Col. Bear Claw weighs in.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Not until Lt. Col. Bear Claw weighs in.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 28, 2026 02:59 PM (4HoLg)
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Except France didn't defeat Germany. If the war was just France and Germany, Germany would have easily won.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (iFTx/)
Germany did bomb Pearl Harbor, though, bringing America into the war.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (iFTx/)
Germany did bomb Pearl Harbor, though, bringing America into the war.
Posted by: Senator Blutarski at August 28, 2026 02:59 PM (wVcYX)
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124 Germany did bomb Pearl Harbor, though, bringing America into the war.
Posted by: Senator Blutarski at August 28, 2026 02:59 PM (wVcYX)
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Is he rolling?
Posted by: Senator Blutarski at August 28, 2026 02:59 PM (wVcYX)
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Is he rolling?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:00 PM (/PKja)
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>>Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (viF8m)
This guy is higher than anyone here and even he fucking gets it.
This guy is higher than anyone here and even he fucking gets it.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:00 PM (Shi2G)
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I have from the beginning taken the position that this is a fight between two organized crime gangs on the other side of the world, and there's no reason for me to cheerlead for either one. But the war has been worth following a little just to see the huge jumps in drone tech and tactics. 21st century warfare is here, old methods are obsolete now.
Right. Anduril and other "neo-defense" companies have gotten thousands of hours of cheap beta testing for all manner of new technologies out of Ukraine, and for me that's the most interesting part of the war by far. Although the part where Zelensky's apparently in it to help further Soros' Great Replacement is a close second.
Right. Anduril and other "neo-defense" companies have gotten thousands of hours of cheap beta testing for all manner of new technologies out of Ukraine, and for me that's the most interesting part of the war by far. Although the part where Zelensky's apparently in it to help further Soros' Great Replacement is a close second.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 03:00 PM (P9pDS)
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Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM
I suspect that we will know that feeling very soon.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM
I suspect that we will know that feeling very soon.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (4NO2D)
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We burn our crops in the gas tank.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (n5tGW)
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Corn really isn't that digestible. We process the fructose out, and we can ingest fructose (to a degree).
That's why it often shows back up in your poop as round as it went in.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (n5tGW)
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Corn really isn't that digestible. We process the fructose out, and we can ingest fructose (to a degree).
That's why it often shows back up in your poop as round as it went in.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (Fi81e)
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There was a lot of cool anti-drone stuff at some recent defense trade show in Europe. Benelli had an automated turret with 8 shot guns and there was another one with 4 machine guns.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (Mzuzg)
I laid in a lot of shotgun supplies, including shotshell reloading equipment and supplies. That looks to be prescient.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (Mzuzg)
I laid in a lot of shotgun supplies, including shotshell reloading equipment and supplies. That looks to be prescient.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (dK+Kv)
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I'm not gonna stand here and let you bad mouth the Lake of America.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (n5tGW)
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>> No, actually. I mean today. There are actual, real-life Nazis fighting for Ukraine.
And who is it that you think is fighting on the Russian frontlines, targeting civilians, burning villages, raping women and committing war crimes?
This war has been brutal on both sides. I can tell you in every war there are unsavory characters- that’s just the nature of war. It is insidious, destructive, inhumane and unforgiving. Probably by design and certainly by its nature.
BTW I make no excuse for either sides inhumane actions, tactics or philosophies.
And who is it that you think is fighting on the Russian frontlines, targeting civilians, burning villages, raping women and committing war crimes?
This war has been brutal on both sides. I can tell you in every war there are unsavory characters- that’s just the nature of war. It is insidious, destructive, inhumane and unforgiving. Probably by design and certainly by its nature.
BTW I make no excuse for either sides inhumane actions, tactics or philosophies.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (CKrQs)
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82 Russia needs to deploy battlefield nukes against the Ukes.
Number 1, to see if they work.
Posted by: Old Iron Pants
This. The rumor of Russian nukes being non-functional through lack of proper maintenance has going been around for over a year now.
Number 1, to see if they work.
Posted by: Old Iron Pants
This. The rumor of Russian nukes being non-functional through lack of proper maintenance has going been around for over a year now.
Posted by: Auspex at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (Y8DZL)
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Given the assessment about Russia vs. Ukraine here at the HQ, and the general feelings about the CIA, I'm not sure what to read into Ratcliffe's venture into Putin's house.
A "CIA assessment" is one thing. Ratcliffe's assessment is another... and I'll base that on whether or not he used a "CIA assessment" as a basis for his own.
Suffice to say there was something brewing over there that had someone's panties in a bunch.
A "CIA assessment" is one thing. Ratcliffe's assessment is another... and I'll base that on whether or not he used a "CIA assessment" as a basis for his own.
Suffice to say there was something brewing over there that had someone's panties in a bunch.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (2Cry5)
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Except France didn't defeat Germany. If the war was just France and Germany, Germany would have easily won.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
And it is not just Ukraine. A lot of their weapons enabling them to continue the fight came from massive transfers from the West. And sufficient ability to standoff initial Russian superior numbers and technology.
Territory means nothing, to win, you destroy armies and Russia failed to do that because from the beginning it was a political op like Putin used in Georgia with Abkhazia, taking the Crimea, Chechniya, etc. A modified Brezhnev doctrine dealing with ethnic Russians rather than communism.
Germany took Alsace and Lorraine after the Franco Prussian War which did little to help them win WWI either. Simply served as a continuing irritant to the French and caused the French to build up its military again which led to the stupid von Schiefflen plan. Germans were overconfident and stupid in their foreign affairs after Bismarck got dismissed much as Napoleon overreached in his time as well.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
And it is not just Ukraine. A lot of their weapons enabling them to continue the fight came from massive transfers from the West. And sufficient ability to standoff initial Russian superior numbers and technology.
Territory means nothing, to win, you destroy armies and Russia failed to do that because from the beginning it was a political op like Putin used in Georgia with Abkhazia, taking the Crimea, Chechniya, etc. A modified Brezhnev doctrine dealing with ethnic Russians rather than communism.
Germany took Alsace and Lorraine after the Franco Prussian War which did little to help them win WWI either. Simply served as a continuing irritant to the French and caused the French to build up its military again which led to the stupid von Schiefflen plan. Germans were overconfident and stupid in their foreign affairs after Bismarck got dismissed much as Napoleon overreached in his time as well.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:02 PM (E4rtv)
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>>Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:58 PM (1wjle)
This was the game.
No different than our actions in Afghanistan in the 70s and early 80s and in the Balkans after that.
This was the game.
No different than our actions in Afghanistan in the 70s and early 80s and in the Balkans after that.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:02 PM (Shi2G)
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"The future of warfare will be, for good or for ill, all about drones and, crucially, anti-drone technology."
And we have to keep it cost-efficient. One unit of defense should cost no more than one unit of offense costs the enemy, if possible. No more gold-plated, over-engineered, over-featured, billion-dollars-per-copy weapons systems.
And we have to keep it cost-efficient. One unit of defense should cost no more than one unit of offense costs the enemy, if possible. No more gold-plated, over-engineered, over-featured, billion-dollars-per-copy weapons systems.
Posted by: gp at August 28, 2026 03:03 PM (Jr5Lq)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:03 PM (hPgrk)
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:03 PM (Shi2G)
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They might do something like fund terrorist groups to attack the US and its allies. Oh wait they've been doing that for 70 years.
Like the Navy Sixth Fleet using underwater drone technology to blow up the Nord Stream 1 & 2 pipelines?
Or Victoria Nuland overthrowing Ukraine's presidential election and installing Zelenskyy?
There are no good actors. The Cold War just changed tactics.
Like the Navy Sixth Fleet using underwater drone technology to blow up the Nord Stream 1 & 2 pipelines?
Or Victoria Nuland overthrowing Ukraine's presidential election and installing Zelenskyy?
There are no good actors. The Cold War just changed tactics.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:03 PM (nCgQz)
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128 Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM
I suspect that we will know that feeling very soon.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (4NO2D)
California certainly will. They've been waging a war against their own refineries even more effective than the Ukraine's has been.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 02:52 PM
I suspect that we will know that feeling very soon.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (4NO2D)
California certainly will. They've been waging a war against their own refineries even more effective than the Ukraine's has been.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (edUvp)
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I still want them both to lose. Ukraine is a bunch of crooks as much as the Russians are.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (zZu0s)
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The Azov Brigade in the Ukraine are a neo-Nazi types. Their hero is Stefan Bandera who was a Nazi collaborator. There's an article at GP about two new commanders being Azov.
There's a large Ukrainian community sw of me and at one of their community centers they have a statue of Bandera
There's a large Ukrainian community sw of me and at one of their community centers they have a statue of Bandera
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (EZWVc)
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109 Speaking of Canada . . .
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
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Ya know, that's one of the things that started breaking down my disbelief.
I outsmarted myself. I had been a Catholic. I had cited how abortion would result in a "decline of the value of life". And then I got "sophisticated". There didn't seem to be a irrefutable (that matters as an "atheist") interaction there.
But after it got to a certain point, I realized that I had "predicted" the decline in valuing human life much better as a Catholic, than as a non-believer.
We're here now, and this is probably not a nadir.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (Fi81e)
Gang violence, Islamofascism, antifa, transgenderism, pedophilia - it's all just different pages in the same book.
And it's titled "Life is Cheap to Too Many People".
Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
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Ya know, that's one of the things that started breaking down my disbelief.
I outsmarted myself. I had been a Catholic. I had cited how abortion would result in a "decline of the value of life". And then I got "sophisticated". There didn't seem to be a irrefutable (that matters as an "atheist") interaction there.
But after it got to a certain point, I realized that I had "predicted" the decline in valuing human life much better as a Catholic, than as a non-believer.
We're here now, and this is probably not a nadir.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 02:56 PM (Fi81e)
Gang violence, Islamofascism, antifa, transgenderism, pedophilia - it's all just different pages in the same book.
And it's titled "Life is Cheap to Too Many People".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (wtvvX)
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>>>NY Times says Russia will lose. OK, I'll make bank on that.
Good morning all.
as a commenter said, you can't fake the many videos of miles long lines for gas and angry Russians complaining that after they stood in line for hours, the station was out of gas before they could get it.
And these attacks are getting more effective.
Good morning all.
as a commenter said, you can't fake the many videos of miles long lines for gas and angry Russians complaining that after they stood in line for hours, the station was out of gas before they could get it.
And these attacks are getting more effective.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (1wjle)
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We burn our crops in the gas tank
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Just the starch. The remainder gets fed to hogs and cattle as silage, just like it always has for a couple hundred years now.
I'm no fan of corn-squeezins in our fuel, but this is a bit of lefty propaganda nonsense that just needs to die already. It's stupid, and implies that people are starving or something for lack of corn.
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Just the starch. The remainder gets fed to hogs and cattle as silage, just like it always has for a couple hundred years now.
I'm no fan of corn-squeezins in our fuel, but this is a bit of lefty propaganda nonsense that just needs to die already. It's stupid, and implies that people are starving or something for lack of corn.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:05 PM (rQ950)
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I thought it was rumored that Russia was gonna use drones to attack Ukrainian aircraft in Germany or Poland
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 28, 2026 03:05 PM (Spelz)
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131 I'm not gonna stand here and let you bad mouth the Lake of America.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (n5tGW)
LOL! That's good, that's really good!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 03:01 PM (n5tGW)
LOL! That's good, that's really good!
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 03:05 PM (edUvp)
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Zelenskyy/Ukraine has no cards, as Trump would say. What does he have? Drones ? OK, but most get shot down by the Russian anti-drone systems. The few the get through hit something somewhere. How is that going to win the war? Russia can buy bodies in Africa, North Korea, the Middle east. Ukraine loses own people. What is Ukraine winning exactly? Russia is sitting exactly where they were sitting a year ago, in most of the energy rich east. And Ukraine is unable to gain any territory to speak of.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 03:05 PM (g47mK)
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My comment got eated.
Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2026 03:05 PM (LHPAg)
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"Ukraine's campaign against Russian refinery capacity has been seriously damaging."
Ukraine destroyed one third of Russia's strategic bomber force in a ferried drone attack. The attack ranged as far east as Irkutsk.
Ukraine destroyed one third of Russia's strategic bomber force in a ferried drone attack. The attack ranged as far east as Irkutsk.
Posted by: gp at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (Jr5Lq)
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>>as a commenter said, you can't fake the many videos of miles long lines for gas and angry Russians complaining that after they stood in line for hours, the station was out of gas before they could get it.
This recently happened in Japan with McDonald's PokeMon Cards.
This recently happened in Japan with McDonald's PokeMon Cards.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (Shi2G)
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Per TGP: North Dakota mom calls husband and says "Say goodbye to your kids" and slits their throats. One year old survived. The other two didn't survive.
What the actual fuck.
What the actual fuck.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (VJ0w/)
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Oh dear God. Yes, we blew up Nordstream. Biden made the call. Yup.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (CKrQs)
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Except France didn't defeat Germany. If the war was just France and Germany, Germany would have easily won.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
And it is not just Ukraine. A lot of their weapons enabling them to continue the fight came from massive transfers from the West. And sufficient ability to standoff initial Russian superior numbers and technology.
Territory means nothing, to win, you destroy armies and Russia failed to do that because from the beginning it was a political op like Putin used in Georgia with Abkhazia, taking the Crimea, Chechniya, etc. A modified Brezhnev doctrine dealing with ethnic Russians rather than communism.
Germany took Alsace and Lorraine after the Franco Prussian War which did little to help them win WWI either. Simply served as a continuing irritant to the French and caused the French to build up its military again which led to the stupid von Schiefflen plan. Germans were overconfident and stupid in their foreign affairs after Bismarck got dismissed much as Napoleon overreached in his time as well.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:02 PM (E4rtv)
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Russia-Ukraine is not remotely WWI
Posted by: Elric The Blade
And it is not just Ukraine. A lot of their weapons enabling them to continue the fight came from massive transfers from the West. And sufficient ability to standoff initial Russian superior numbers and technology.
Territory means nothing, to win, you destroy armies and Russia failed to do that because from the beginning it was a political op like Putin used in Georgia with Abkhazia, taking the Crimea, Chechniya, etc. A modified Brezhnev doctrine dealing with ethnic Russians rather than communism.
Germany took Alsace and Lorraine after the Franco Prussian War which did little to help them win WWI either. Simply served as a continuing irritant to the French and caused the French to build up its military again which led to the stupid von Schiefflen plan. Germans were overconfident and stupid in their foreign affairs after Bismarck got dismissed much as Napoleon overreached in his time as well.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:02 PM (E4rtv)
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Russia-Ukraine is not remotely WWI
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (iFTx/)
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And I've still never seen a satisfactory explanation for why Britain and France didn't declare war on Russia for doing the exact same thing Germany did. Whereas they had an expedition fitted out to help the Finns when Russia invaded. Makes no sense to me.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Because the UK called the shots and Chamberlain failed to support Czechslovakia when it would have been easier to stop Shitler. France quailed when a small German contigent of NotSees invaded the demilitarized Rhineland.
The French could have easily stomped them as even the NotSees admitted and Shitler would never have probably been able to retain power after.
The Fixx song, One Thing Leads to Another is exactly how political history reads.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Because the UK called the shots and Chamberlain failed to support Czechslovakia when it would have been easier to stop Shitler. France quailed when a small German contigent of NotSees invaded the demilitarized Rhineland.
The French could have easily stomped them as even the NotSees admitted and Shitler would never have probably been able to retain power after.
The Fixx song, One Thing Leads to Another is exactly how political history reads.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (E4rtv)
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Germans were overconfident and stupid in their foreign affairs after Bismarck got dismissed much as Napoleon overreached in his time as well.
Posted by: whig
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I don't think they were overconfident in 1914. The calculus was that it would be better to risk a general war in 1914 when they had some chance of winning, vs a war three of four years down the road when Russia would have completed its rearmament, and they had no chance of winning.
Posted by: whig
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I don't think they were overconfident in 1914. The calculus was that it would be better to risk a general war in 1914 when they had some chance of winning, vs a war three of four years down the road when Russia would have completed its rearmament, and they had no chance of winning.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (XvL8K)
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A heavy caveat to my enthusiasm for first use of nuclear weapons -- I believe the extraterrestrials that truly govern our planet have veto power and effectively have nullified their use.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (qwx/I)
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Canadian doctors’ group doubles down on expanding MAID to newborns
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
**scoots further south, waits for massive lightning strike to hit Canada**
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 02:46 PM (ndZc7)
**scoots further south, waits for massive lightning strike to hit Canada**
Posted by: hobbitopoly at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (ZgwKJ)
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The USS Rueben James was sunk by a German U-boat on Oct 31, 1941, more than a month before Pearl Harbor.
But Roosevelt was in Hitler's pocket, so he Epsteined the whole affair.
The USS Rueben James was sunk by a German U-boat on Oct 31, 1941, more than a month before Pearl Harbor.
But Roosevelt was in Hitler's pocket, so he Epsteined the whole affair.
Posted by: Auspex at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (Y8DZL)
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>>>I would bet that Poland would have a better chance of taking Moscow than the reverse
i saw that poland announced a many-billion dollar effort to build the largest army in Europe. (I don't know if they include Russia as part of Europe.)
i saw that poland announced a many-billion dollar effort to build the largest army in Europe. (I don't know if they include Russia as part of Europe.)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (1wjle)
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Russia-Ukraine is not remotely WWI
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Casualties are right up there. Probably exceeded the total number of Iran Iraq war which was about eight years in length. Bloodiest war in decades leaving out civil wars.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Casualties are right up there. Probably exceeded the total number of Iran Iraq war which was about eight years in length. Bloodiest war in decades leaving out civil wars.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (E4rtv)
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"The future of warfare will be, for good or for ill, all about drones and, crucially, anti-drone technology."
And we have to keep it cost-efficient. One unit of defense should cost no more than one unit of offense costs the enemy, if possible. No more gold-plated, over-engineered, over-featured, billion-dollars-per-copy weapons systems.
Posted by: gp at August 28, 2026 03:03 PM (Jr5Lq)
We don't think you quite understand the potential here.
And we have to keep it cost-efficient. One unit of defense should cost no more than one unit of offense costs the enemy, if possible. No more gold-plated, over-engineered, over-featured, billion-dollars-per-copy weapons systems.
Posted by: gp at August 28, 2026 03:03 PM (Jr5Lq)
We don't think you quite understand the potential here.
Posted by: Cyberdyne Research Group at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (wVcYX)
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I have never cared who won this. I just want us out of it. Billions of dollars are still flowing to Kiev. Our CIA director is skulking around in Moscow, for some reason (not whatever horseshit they fed the press in the columns above).
It's time to get out. What if Putin does something rash? What if he nukes Kiev? What if he attacks Poland? What if Poland gives Zelensky an old French warhead cobbled back together with pierogies, and Zelensky fires it at the Kremlin?
I literally couldn't give any less of a shit about any of them. Let the birds fly.
*shrugs*
It's time to get out. What if Putin does something rash? What if he nukes Kiev? What if he attacks Poland? What if Poland gives Zelensky an old French warhead cobbled back together with pierogies, and Zelensky fires it at the Kremlin?
I literally couldn't give any less of a shit about any of them. Let the birds fly.
*shrugs*
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Corn really isn't that digestible. We process the fructose out, and we can ingest fructose (to a degree)
But what is cool about growing corn is that it is water intensive and destroys the soil requiring massive amounts of fertilizer.
So if you want to dry up the aquifers and wreck the soil, find stupid and wasteful reasons to grow corn.
The Left can be admired for their creativity in destroying a country.
But what is cool about growing corn is that it is water intensive and destroys the soil requiring massive amounts of fertilizer.
So if you want to dry up the aquifers and wreck the soil, find stupid and wasteful reasons to grow corn.
The Left can be admired for their creativity in destroying a country.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:08 PM (+4Cf6)
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161 >>>I would bet that Poland would have a better chance of taking Moscow than the reverse
i saw that poland announced a many-billion dollar effort to build the largest army in Europe. (I don't know if they include Russia as part of Europe.)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (1wjle)
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*squees at the idea of the Knights Templar starting again in Poland and correcting the Papacy as I've predicted for years*
i saw that poland announced a many-billion dollar effort to build the largest army in Europe. (I don't know if they include Russia as part of Europe.)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (1wjle)
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*squees at the idea of the Knights Templar starting again in Poland and correcting the Papacy as I've predicted for years*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:08 PM (/PKja)
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Russian tanks in Lisbon in two weeks!!!!
Posted by: Overt60 at August 28, 2026 03:08 PM (GdFaB)
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The French could have easily stomped them as even the NotSees admitted and Shitler would never have probably been able to retain power after.
The Fixx song, One Thing Leads to Another is exactly how political history reads.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (E4rtv)
Churchill said that WW2 was the most unnecessary war in history; that it could have been prevented for a fraction of the cost in men and material at the point you mentioned.
The Fixx song, One Thing Leads to Another is exactly how political history reads.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM (E4rtv)
Churchill said that WW2 was the most unnecessary war in history; that it could have been prevented for a fraction of the cost in men and material at the point you mentioned.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2026 03:08 PM (edUvp)
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And it's titled "Life is Cheap to Too Many People".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (wtvvX)
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Because that's essentially Darwinism.
Your life means little unless you "make it mean more". (??) Which, is nice rhetoric of a sort, but clinically void.
What's important is that the group survives, not the individual.
But most importantly: Life advances by the death of lesser forms "competing for survival".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:04 PM (wtvvX)
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Because that's essentially Darwinism.
Your life means little unless you "make it mean more". (??) Which, is nice rhetoric of a sort, but clinically void.
What's important is that the group survives, not the individual.
But most importantly: Life advances by the death of lesser forms "competing for survival".
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (Fi81e)
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Ok, Ukraine is trying to disrupt critical energy infrastructure. SO what does that mean ? Production capacity decreased! Ok, by how much?? From 9.38 million in November 2025, to 9.009 million in May 2026...
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (g47mK)
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i saw that poland announced a many-billion dollar effort to build the largest army in Europe. (I don't know if they include Russia as part of Europe.)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM
Poland is a real country that I don't mind having in NATO. The Baltic States are not.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM
Poland is a real country that I don't mind having in NATO. The Baltic States are not.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (4NO2D)
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So you're saying corn pops and doritos wouldn't be cheaper with more corn available. You will take my nacho cheese doritos from my cold dead orange hands!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (n5tGW)
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Corn is just food that hasn't been turned into steaks and pork chops yet
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (rQ950)
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82 Russia needs to deploy battlefield nukes against the Ukes.
Number 1, to see if they work.
Posted by: Old Iron Pants
Obligatory: https://tinyurl.com/yem3bpt6
Number 1, to see if they work.
Posted by: Old Iron Pants
Obligatory: https://tinyurl.com/yem3bpt6
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (wtvvX)
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Rueben James, the guy from the Kenny Rogers song?
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (/OKHJ)
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@156 -- cool Fixx reference...gonna go see them in Waukegan next month.
If you listen to Peter Zeihan, I'm sorry about the lost IQ points, but the prediction that does ring true are effectively that Russia will demographically die in a paroxysm of violence by 2040.
If you listen to Peter Zeihan, I'm sorry about the lost IQ points, but the prediction that does ring true are effectively that Russia will demographically die in a paroxysm of violence by 2040.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 28, 2026 03:10 PM (qwx/I)
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Things have gone so easily for Russia in Ukraine, and they have such an abundance of extra military resources that they think are a threat to seriously attack Poland?
I suppose they could lob a few missiles to start a panic, on the assumption that Poland wouldn't retaliate for fear of a nuclear reprisal.
I suppose they could lob a few missiles to start a panic, on the assumption that Poland wouldn't retaliate for fear of a nuclear reprisal.
Posted by: Lurkyloo at August 28, 2026 03:10 PM (ort2b)
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>>The Left can be admired for their creativity in destroying a country.
You can't lay 100% of the results of the Farm Bills on the Dems.
It's the Progressive Republican Caucus that is every bit as much responsible for this particular policy.
You can't lay 100% of the results of the Farm Bills on the Dems.
It's the Progressive Republican Caucus that is every bit as much responsible for this particular policy.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:10 PM (Shi2G)
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There was a note the day after on Ratcliff's #2 reason, which I can't remember and can't access f'king X to retrieve. Which is quite possibly the #1 reason.
What Putin does in the next few weeks will tell. Can't believe ace cited a commie paper as a source.
What Putin does in the next few weeks will tell. Can't believe ace cited a commie paper as a source.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:10 PM (hPgrk)
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imo, Putin is a man who fears a coup at the first sign of weakness. If he strikes a deal and ends the Ukraine war, he's a dead man (so he thinks). In that case, why not fight here and there and everywhere. Keep fighting and you keep living, for now.
Posted by: Shenanigans at August 28, 2026 03:10 PM (qmxL/)
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And I've still never seen a satisfactory explanation for why Britain and France didn't declare war on Russia for doing the exact same thing Germany did.
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Churchill made a half-hearted push to go against the Soviets through Norway - he never saw a sideshow he did not like. But I think the western allies quietly expected the Nazis and Commies to turn on each other and so just waited for the inevitable. After France fell, Britain was in no shape to attack anyone, let alone Russia.
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Churchill made a half-hearted push to go against the Soviets through Norway - he never saw a sideshow he did not like. But I think the western allies quietly expected the Nazis and Commies to turn on each other and so just waited for the inevitable. After France fell, Britain was in no shape to attack anyone, let alone Russia.
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (sFNX2)
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The Fixx is one of those bands that, for whatever reason, has suppressed their original recordings so that only new recordings are available on streaming. I think "Saved by Zero" is one of the ones where one can only hear the new, inferior version on Amazon.
stinks!
stinks!
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (1wjle)
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I got an FAA drone pilots license. (Yes, ladies, I’m a pilot.) I can legally fly unmanned vehicles < 55 lbs in weight up to 400 ft above ground surface for commercial purposes.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (Mzuzg)
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It was predicted decades ago.
Push button warfare.
I hope we win. I have good reasons for hope. All three of my very intelligent, above average IQ children are working the problem.
Yeah, I am a proud dad. Yeah I am arrogant. Please forgive me for that. I am nothing. He is everything.
Push button warfare.
I hope we win. I have good reasons for hope. All three of my very intelligent, above average IQ children are working the problem.
Yeah, I am a proud dad. Yeah I am arrogant. Please forgive me for that. I am nothing. He is everything.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (36x1j)
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>>imo, Putin is a man who fears a coup at the first sign of weakness. If he strikes a deal and ends the Ukraine war, he's a dead man (so he thinks). In that case, why not fight here and there and everywhere. Keep fighting and you keep living, for now.
i think you're right.
i think you're right.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (1wjle)
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182 The Fixx is one of those bands that, for whatever reason, has suppressed their original recordings so that only new recordings are available on streaming. I think "Saved by Zero" is one of the ones where one can only hear the new, inferior version on Amazon.
stinks!
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (1wjle)
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Probably producer rights over original recordings.
182 The Fixx is one of those bands that, for whatever reason, has suppressed their original recordings so that only new recordings are available on streaming. I think "Saved by Zero" is one of the ones where one can only hear the new, inferior version on Amazon.
stinks!
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (1wjle)
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Probably producer rights over original recordings.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:11 PM (/PKja)
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Poland already has the largest army in the EU. Their SF is one of the best groups in NATO outside us, of course.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (zHdFR)
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*squees at the idea of the Knights Templar starting again in Poland and correcting the Papacy as I've predicted for years*
When the Winged Hussars Arrive!
When the Winged Hussars Arrive!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (n5tGW)
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>> The Fixx is one of those bands that, for whatever reason, has suppressed their original recordings so that only new recordings are available on streaming. I think "Saved by Zero" is one of the ones where one can only hear the new, inferior version on Amazon.
This is why you need to have the original LPs.
This is why you need to have the original LPs.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (Shi2G)
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North Dakota mom calls husband and says "Say goodbye to your kids" and slits their throats. One year old survived. The other two didn't survive.
What the actual fuck.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM
Feminism has reached the "you don't actually love your kids, they're symbols of your oppression by men" stage.
What the actual fuck.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 03:06 PM
Feminism has reached the "you don't actually love your kids, they're symbols of your oppression by men" stage.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (UmGiD)
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Stand or Fall by The Fixx is a great song
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
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I have long said human sacrifice is next. Then I said MAID is one way in. It doesn't surprise me that much they've gone straight to children and newborns for this phase. Old and infirm people aren't shocking enough to take society where they want it to go. And really less of a sacrifice where is the devil is concerned.
Posted by: ... at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (JunZe)
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Corn is just food that hasn't been turned into steaks and pork chops yet
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (rQ950)
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Grass-fed is better for Omega-3 balance.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:09 PM (rQ950)
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Grass-fed is better for Omega-3 balance.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (Fi81e)
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So you're saying corn pops and doritos wouldn't be cheaper with more corn available
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There's a reason it costs 7 bucks for a bag of corn, the bag, worth 70 cents, and it ain't goin' to corn farmers. I suspect SNAP and similar wealth distribution schemes have a lot to do with it.
"Welfare" really needs a weigh-in program, but I can't see how it could ever be done practically or effectively.
Whatever your problems, if you weigh 300 pounds, you don't need free food.
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There's a reason it costs 7 bucks for a bag of corn, the bag, worth 70 cents, and it ain't goin' to corn farmers. I suspect SNAP and similar wealth distribution schemes have a lot to do with it.
"Welfare" really needs a weigh-in program, but I can't see how it could ever be done practically or effectively.
Whatever your problems, if you weigh 300 pounds, you don't need free food.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (rQ950)
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JFC on linkedin there is sponsored content to learn what Islam is all about. On the heels of Girl Scouts giving out Muslim badges.
They’re upping their game in the colonization.
They’re upping their game in the colonization.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (iCp4l)
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I don't think they were overconfident in 1914. The calculus was that it would be better to risk a general war in 1914 when they had some chance of winning, vs a war three of four years down the road when Russia would have completed its rearmament, and they had no chance of winning.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Nope. The Germans nearly unleashed forces over Morocco twice. TR won the Nobel Peace Prize for the first at the Algiciras Conference. The second time was in 1911 over the Panther gunship and Morocco which was under French 'protection'. French ceded some territory further south in Africa to resolve it.
The Germans were to blame for WWI because Bismarck's entire career was spent trying to keep the French and the Russians apart. And indeed both were strange bedfellows. But the von Schiefflen plan explicitly required violating Belgium neutrality from the get go and that violated a treaty post Napoleon forbidding Germany from doing that.
Most people focus on WWI in 1914 but the whole saga began in the Napoleonic wars and the Congress of Vienna period after.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Nope. The Germans nearly unleashed forces over Morocco twice. TR won the Nobel Peace Prize for the first at the Algiciras Conference. The second time was in 1911 over the Panther gunship and Morocco which was under French 'protection'. French ceded some territory further south in Africa to resolve it.
The Germans were to blame for WWI because Bismarck's entire career was spent trying to keep the French and the Russians apart. And indeed both were strange bedfellows. But the von Schiefflen plan explicitly required violating Belgium neutrality from the get go and that violated a treaty post Napoleon forbidding Germany from doing that.
Most people focus on WWI in 1914 but the whole saga began in the Napoleonic wars and the Congress of Vienna period after.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (E4rtv)
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>>>191 Stand or Fall by The Fixx is a great song
oh that's one of the ones where it's this lame re-recording.
It's so bad. What a shame.
oh that's one of the ones where it's this lame re-recording.
It's so bad. What a shame.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (1wjle)
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Putin had told England, prior to Ratcliff's visit, to stop selling arms to Zelensky. Wonder how that part of the conversation went?
The only reason Ukraine is not ashes - Our weapons - he is fighting us by proxy.
The only reason Ukraine is not ashes - Our weapons - he is fighting us by proxy.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:13 PM (hPgrk)
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Fun fact: the Fixx were the backing musicians for Tina Turner's "Better Be Good To Me".
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (UmGiD)
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I thought it was rumored that Russia was gonna use drones to attack Ukrainian aircraft in Germany or Poland
The equivalent of hiding ordnance in the basements of mosques and hospitals.
"We Dare You To Go After It"
The equivalent of hiding ordnance in the basements of mosques and hospitals.
"We Dare You To Go After It"
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (+4Cf6)
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189 >> The Fixx is one of those bands that, for whatever reason, has suppressed their original recordings so that only new recordings are available on streaming. I think "Saved by Zero" is one of the ones where one can only hear the new, inferior version on Amazon.
This is why you need to have the original LPs.
Posted by: garrett
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I think the same reason as Taylor Swift. Has to do with royalties and former bad management percentage takes probably.
This is why you need to have the original LPs.
Posted by: garrett
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I think the same reason as Taylor Swift. Has to do with royalties and former bad management percentage takes probably.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Okay, so Saved by Zero, the original, is on Amazon.
It's Stand or Fall that has been replaced by a re-recording.
It's Stand or Fall that has been replaced by a re-recording.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (1wjle)
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158 A heavy caveat to my enthusiasm for first use of nuclear weapons -- I believe the extraterrestrials that truly govern our planet have veto power and effectively have nullified their use.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
So... we've managed to bring peace between the Greys, Nordics and Reptilians?
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
So... we've managed to bring peace between the Greys, Nordics and Reptilians?
Posted by: Auspex at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (Y8DZL)
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Stand or Fall by The Fixx is a great song
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
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The Fixx is one of the bands that seemed like they could not miss.
I mean okay, Deeper, was weird to some, but I ended up liking it just as much as their other stuff.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
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The Fixx is one of the bands that seemed like they could not miss.
I mean okay, Deeper, was weird to some, but I ended up liking it just as much as their other stuff.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (Fi81e)
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JFC on linkedin there is sponsored content to learn what Islam is all about. On the heels of Girl Scouts giving out Muslim badges.
They’re upping their game in the colonization.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez
Weblow goat badge
They’re upping their game in the colonization.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez
Weblow goat badge
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (VJ0w/)
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Okay, so Saved by Zero, the original, is on Amazon.
It's Stand or Fall that has been replaced by a re-recording.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (1wjle)
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And one of the most infectious songs ever: One Thing Leads to Another.
It's Stand or Fall that has been replaced by a re-recording.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:14 PM (1wjle)
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And one of the most infectious songs ever: One Thing Leads to Another.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:15 PM (Fi81e)
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Grass-fed is better for Omega-3 balance.
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Most all beef is "grass fed". It's going to be tough.
They finish off with corn for marbling. Fat. Fat is Flavor.
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Most all beef is "grass fed". It's going to be tough.
They finish off with corn for marbling. Fat. Fat is Flavor.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:15 PM (rQ950)
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>>I mean okay, Deeper, was weird to some, but I ended up liking it just as much as their other stuff.
I love that song.
I love that song.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:15 PM (1wjle)
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Churchill made a half-hearted push to go against the Soviets through Norway - he never saw a sideshow he did not like. But I think the western allies quietly expected the Nazis and Commies to turn on each other and so just waited for the inevitable. After France fell, Britain was in no shape to attack anyone, let alone Russia.
Posted by: Martin Tell
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It wasn't half-hearted. That expedition of like 150,000 was fitting out with plans to proceed when the Russo-Finnish war ended. So something changed between 1939 with Poland and 1940 with Finland.
Posted by: Martin Tell
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It wasn't half-hearted. That expedition of like 150,000 was fitting out with plans to proceed when the Russo-Finnish war ended. So something changed between 1939 with Poland and 1940 with Finland.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 28, 2026 03:15 PM (XvL8K)
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If Ukraine were winning on the military front, why did they expand things? Most likely as the territory changes reflect, they continue to slowly lose.
Russia isn't in much of a position to add new fronts. Nor is Putin's position as fragile as has been claimed since the start of this war. There is a tendency to read Russia in western election cycle terms which is not really how they work.
Russia isn't in much of a position to add new fronts. Nor is Putin's position as fragile as has been claimed since the start of this war. There is a tendency to read Russia in western election cycle terms which is not really how they work.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:16 PM (okun6)
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180 imo, Putin is a man who fears a coup at the first sign of weakness. If he strikes a deal and ends the Ukraine war, he's a dead man (so he thinks). In that case, why not fight here and there and everywhere. Keep fighting and you keep living, for now.
Posted by: Shenanigans
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Don't discount ego. Twas always a problem for kings and other autocrats, you end up with an inner circle that tells you only what you want to hear, not telling you the horrid truth.
Posted by: Shenanigans
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Don't discount ego. Twas always a problem for kings and other autocrats, you end up with an inner circle that tells you only what you want to hear, not telling you the horrid truth.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:16 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:16 PM (Fi81e)
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191 Stand or Fall by The Fixx is a great song
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
Reach the Beach, too.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
Reach the Beach, too.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:17 PM (wtvvX)
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I am skeptical about all Uke war reporting....and double so if the CIA's smutty fingers are on it.
I'd rather Ukraine wins, I suspect Russia will attrit its way to victory. But I'm not prepared to put money on that.
I said it was gonna be a long war and it has been.
I'd rather Ukraine wins, I suspect Russia will attrit its way to victory. But I'm not prepared to put money on that.
I said it was gonna be a long war and it has been.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:18 PM (xcxpd)
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Russia has pretty much all of the land it wants, and Ukraine is a dying country, since its population has been halved. The intelligence agencies can postulate all they want, but this war is only continuing due to support from NATO countries, who desperately want a wider war to cover for their economic suicide run.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:18 PM (0U5gm)
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Stand or Fall by The Fixx is a great song
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
Reach the Beach, too.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:17 PM (wtvvX)
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Now, I gotta bring up Spotify....
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (EZWVc)
Reach the Beach, too.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 28, 2026 03:17 PM (wtvvX)
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Now, I gotta bring up Spotify....
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:19 PM (Fi81e)
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From Rubio Suspends:
I think it's great that Indians think that they're the best, smartest, greatest people on earth.
I just don't know why they feel like they have to come here to make money. Something wrong with the country full of Indians?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 01:30 PM (/PKja)
Socialism. As I understand it, as soon as an Indian company hires its 100th employee, it becomes nearly impossible to fire any of them -- and the employees know it. So, Indians in India are (effectively) statutorily forbidden from growing even medium-size companies, let alone large ones. And they're also too commietarded to revoke the law that "everyone knows" has hard-broken their economy.
Further, it's a safe bet that if they go somewhere with a better economy and get enough political power to make public policy, then they will put the same idiotic law in place there. They will break the economy there, for the same reason they have not fixed it at home: because it's their nature. They can't help it.
Self-destruction is just irresistibly appealing to simpletons who cannot perceive 2nd-order effects.
I think it's great that Indians think that they're the best, smartest, greatest people on earth.
I just don't know why they feel like they have to come here to make money. Something wrong with the country full of Indians?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 01:30 PM (/PKja)
Socialism. As I understand it, as soon as an Indian company hires its 100th employee, it becomes nearly impossible to fire any of them -- and the employees know it. So, Indians in India are (effectively) statutorily forbidden from growing even medium-size companies, let alone large ones. And they're also too commietarded to revoke the law that "everyone knows" has hard-broken their economy.
Further, it's a safe bet that if they go somewhere with a better economy and get enough political power to make public policy, then they will put the same idiotic law in place there. They will break the economy there, for the same reason they have not fixed it at home: because it's their nature. They can't help it.
Self-destruction is just irresistibly appealing to simpletons who cannot perceive 2nd-order effects.
Posted by: SciVo at August 28, 2026 03:19 PM (ke3zm)
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If you listen to Peter Zeihan, I'm sorry about the lost IQ points
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
TDS has been very hard on him. His first book was fun.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
TDS has been very hard on him. His first book was fun.
Posted by: Auspex at August 28, 2026 03:19 PM (Y8DZL)
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The Fixx is one of those bands that, for whatever reason, has suppressed their original recordings so that only new recordings are available on streaming. I think "Saved by Zero" is one of the ones where one can only hear the new, inferior version on Amazon.
This is why you need to have the original LPs.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (Shi2G)
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It's a royalty issue. The original recordings are owned in part by the record companies, so any streaming of those is shared with the company. The per-song streaming royalties isn't enough to justify the band sharing them, at least in their view.
Streaming of newly or re-recorded versions of the songs isn't shared, so that's what's available.
Def Leppard had the same issue for a long time.
This is why you need to have the original LPs.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:12 PM (Shi2G)
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It's a royalty issue. The original recordings are owned in part by the record companies, so any streaming of those is shared with the company. The per-song streaming royalties isn't enough to justify the band sharing them, at least in their view.
Streaming of newly or re-recorded versions of the songs isn't shared, so that's what's available.
Def Leppard had the same issue for a long time.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 28, 2026 03:19 PM (iFTx/)
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So you're saying corn pops and doritos wouldn't be cheaper with more corn available
Ain't the same corn. Ethanol corn is a different variety that is genetically engineered to be good feedstock for ethanol conversion.
Sweet corn is the stuff you recognize on your plate.
Processed field corn is the crap that makes Doritos
Dent corn feeds livestock and is used by ethanol distillers.
Its because they are turning cattle feed into Climate Change™ approved ethanol is part of the reason your beef costs more.
Ain't the same corn. Ethanol corn is a different variety that is genetically engineered to be good feedstock for ethanol conversion.
Sweet corn is the stuff you recognize on your plate.
Processed field corn is the crap that makes Doritos
Dent corn feeds livestock and is used by ethanol distillers.
Its because they are turning cattle feed into Climate Change™ approved ethanol is part of the reason your beef costs more.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:19 PM (xE0sV)
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i saw that poland announced a many-billion dollar effort to build the largest army in Europe. (I don't know if they include Russia as part of Europe.)
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (1wjle)
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Yes, but Germany under Chancellor Merz has also announced a military build-up with the aim of establishing the Bundeswehr as the largest army in Europe (outside Russia). There are already German troops in Lithuania, and plans to cooperate with Ukraine on manufacturing missiles that will be fired into Russia.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (1wjle)
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Yes, but Germany under Chancellor Merz has also announced a military build-up with the aim of establishing the Bundeswehr as the largest army in Europe (outside Russia). There are already German troops in Lithuania, and plans to cooperate with Ukraine on manufacturing missiles that will be fired into Russia.
Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (GdFaB)
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And Cappy is an IC plant, THAT I'll put money on.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (xcxpd)
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From a military standpoint it always looked to me that Ukraine - Russia was similar to our Civil War. Russia larger population, more industrial could cut off the Ukraine from a sea . Ukraine smaller population, more agrarian, fighting on their own territory. North v South
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (EZWVc)
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222 And Cappy is an IC plant, THAT I'll put money on.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (xcxpd)
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-Clippy
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-Clippy
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (/PKja)
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Russia isn't in much of a position to add new fronts. Nor is Putin's position as fragile as has been claimed since the start of this war. There is a tendency to read Russia in western election cycle terms which is not really how they work.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Authoritarian regimes, of which Putin's Russia certainly is, usually fall by internal coup like Gorbachev suffered at the very end.
I've been watching the Russian economy since the war began and it is getting sicker by the minute--the war is literally bleeding it, the attacks on logistics is causing the retrenchment of the internal russian economy, not just the oil refineries, but their civilian good delivery warehouses, and all their NATO countries surrounding them are rearming to the teeth.
Doesn't help that you have the Russians stirring up Trans Dneister that is close to causing Romania, Moldova, and Ukraine collaborating to expel the Russians from it.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Authoritarian regimes, of which Putin's Russia certainly is, usually fall by internal coup like Gorbachev suffered at the very end.
I've been watching the Russian economy since the war began and it is getting sicker by the minute--the war is literally bleeding it, the attacks on logistics is causing the retrenchment of the internal russian economy, not just the oil refineries, but their civilian good delivery warehouses, and all their NATO countries surrounding them are rearming to the teeth.
Doesn't help that you have the Russians stirring up Trans Dneister that is close to causing Romania, Moldova, and Ukraine collaborating to expel the Russians from it.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:21 PM (E4rtv)
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I mean okay, Deeper, was weird to some, but I ended up liking it just as much as their other stuff.
I love that song.
Posted by: ace
I ran across a CD with about 20 of their most popular songs, in extended versions. It is phenomenal.
I love that song.
Posted by: ace
I ran across a CD with about 20 of their most popular songs, in extended versions. It is phenomenal.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:21 PM (0U5gm)
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Socialism. As I understand it, as soon as an Indian company hires its 100th employee, it becomes nearly impossible to fire any of them
Now explain Global Resource Centers that Meta, Google, Microsoft, Apple, et al use for off-shore IT.
Now explain Global Resource Centers that Meta, Google, Microsoft, Apple, et al use for off-shore IT.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:22 PM (xE0sV)
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223 From a military standpoint it always looked to me that Ukraine - Russia was similar to our Civil War. Russia larger population, more industrial could cut off the Ukraine from a sea . Ukraine smaller population, more agrarian, fighting on their own territory. North v South
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Now, imagine drones attacking key Northern munitions factories. The North benefitted from the South running an essentially defensive war. Had the safe factories in the rear been vulnerable to attack by air, suddenly not so similar after all.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Now, imagine drones attacking key Northern munitions factories. The North benefitted from the South running an essentially defensive war. Had the safe factories in the rear been vulnerable to attack by air, suddenly not so similar after all.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:22 PM (E4rtv)
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I ran across a CD with about 20 of their most popular songs, in extended versions. It is phenomenal.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:21 PM (0U5gm)
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A band of perennial quality until they ... gave it up?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:21 PM (0U5gm)
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A band of perennial quality until they ... gave it up?
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:23 PM (Fi81e)
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Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:13
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Totally disagree that the Germans almost totally unleashed forces over Morocco in 1905 and 1911. Especially 1905, when the Russians were embroiled with Japan and the Germans would have won, probably easily. They backed down anyway after losing the diplomatic battle because they weren't willing to unleash a war they would have won. In the 1911 Morocco crisis, they weren't so sure, and by 1914 the feeling of being encircled by France and a rearmed Russia had become overwhelming.
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Totally disagree that the Germans almost totally unleashed forces over Morocco in 1905 and 1911. Especially 1905, when the Russians were embroiled with Japan and the Germans would have won, probably easily. They backed down anyway after losing the diplomatic battle because they weren't willing to unleash a war they would have won. In the 1911 Morocco crisis, they weren't so sure, and by 1914 the feeling of being encircled by France and a rearmed Russia had become overwhelming.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM (XvL8K)
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228 223 From a military standpoint it always looked to me that Ukraine - Russia was similar to our Civil War. Russia larger population, more industrial could cut off the Ukraine from a sea . Ukraine smaller population, more agrarian, fighting on their own territory. North v South
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Now, imagine drones attacking key Northern munitions factories. The North benefitted from the South running an essentially defensive war. Had the safe factories in the rear been vulnerable to attack by air, suddenly not so similar after all.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:22 PM (E4rtv)
You're not wrong but industry is resilient to bombing, WW2 demonstrated that. Unless you firebomb entire cities, the industry can be hardened, moved, rebuilt. And as long as China takes Russian rubles, they'll have cash to do it.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Now, imagine drones attacking key Northern munitions factories. The North benefitted from the South running an essentially defensive war. Had the safe factories in the rear been vulnerable to attack by air, suddenly not so similar after all.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:22 PM (E4rtv)
You're not wrong but industry is resilient to bombing, WW2 demonstrated that. Unless you firebomb entire cities, the industry can be hardened, moved, rebuilt. And as long as China takes Russian rubles, they'll have cash to do it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM (xcxpd)
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Oh the CIA said so? Well we know they've never lied to us before.
What a joke this website has become.
What a joke this website has become.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM (Ys9Hz)
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Authoritarian regimes, of which Putin's Russia certainly is, usually fall by internal coup like Gorbachev suffered at the very end.
I've been watching the Russian economy since the war began and it is getting sicker by the minute--the war is literally bleeding it, the attacks on logistics is causing the retrenchment of the internal russian economy, not just the oil refineries, but their civilian good delivery warehouses, and all their NATO countries surrounding them are rearming to the teeth.
Doesn't help that you have the Russians stirring up Trans Dneister that is close to causing Romania, Moldova, and Ukraine collaborating to expel the Russians from it.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:21 PM (E4rtv)
Russia has long been ruled by something approximating an autocrat and a military aristocracy. When the autocrat is weak, the military deposes him and places in another. But that has historically had very little to do with their economy. While there are many instances of weak-willed leaders in Russia being replaced with more authoritarian ones, it was never driven by the economy.
Authoritarian regimes, of which Putin's Russia certainly is, usually fall by internal coup like Gorbachev suffered at the very end.
I've been watching the Russian economy since the war began and it is getting sicker by the minute--the war is literally bleeding it, the attacks on logistics is causing the retrenchment of the internal russian economy, not just the oil refineries, but their civilian good delivery warehouses, and all their NATO countries surrounding them are rearming to the teeth.
Doesn't help that you have the Russians stirring up Trans Dneister that is close to causing Romania, Moldova, and Ukraine collaborating to expel the Russians from it.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:21 PM (E4rtv)
Russia has long been ruled by something approximating an autocrat and a military aristocracy. When the autocrat is weak, the military deposes him and places in another. But that has historically had very little to do with their economy. While there are many instances of weak-willed leaders in Russia being replaced with more authoritarian ones, it was never driven by the economy.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:25 PM (okun6)
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A band of perennial quality until they ... gave it up?
Posted by: Axeman
I have no idea what happened, other than they might have been typecast when grunge and other styles showed up. They were very creative.
Posted by: Axeman
I have no idea what happened, other than they might have been typecast when grunge and other styles showed up. They were very creative.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:25 PM (0U5gm)
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224 222 And Cappy is an IC plant, THAT I'll put money on.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (xcxpd)
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-Clippy
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (/PKja)
I've got my eye on you...
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:20 PM (/PKja)
I've got my eye on you...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:26 PM (xcxpd)
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USA should stop selling arms to any country forwarding them to Ukraine.
We should not be involved, militarily, in that war.
We should not be involved, militarily, in that war.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:26 PM (hPgrk)
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The last I read, the Russians still have not committed their Category A land units to the Ukraine campaign. They have been sending conscripts and bounty-hungry civilians into the Uke meatgrinder. Not to mention the odd NK fodder unit. That may have changed over the year, but I doubt that. Putin has been very reluctant to send his best-trained troops Ukraine.
Posted by: mrp at August 28, 2026 03:26 PM (rj6Yv)
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The Fixx was always one of my guilty pleasures, as an original 80's metalhead. I'm going to see them next month for the first time.
I agree about the re-recorded stuff....I hate it. I still have my old CD collection for when i want to hear the good stuff, or I go on YouTube and put on the MTV videos from back then.
I agree about the re-recorded stuff....I hate it. I still have my old CD collection for when i want to hear the good stuff, or I go on YouTube and put on the MTV videos from back then.
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at August 28, 2026 03:26 PM (lmFwW)
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Hunter Biden's investment company was invested in a company called Metabiota. Their business was to track the spread of virus around the world. They were very active in Ukraine on government contracts because that's where we had a shitload of biolabs. Not a conspiracy theory, confirmed by none other than Victoria Nuland in testimony to Congress.
Metabiota was also busy tracking viruses in China. Largely because once again they were getting contracts from USAID which is just another way of saying the CIA.
Again, not a conspiracy theory. Fact.
They likely would have been busy in Kazakstan where we were also building a huge biolab had Putin not stepped in and stopped it claiming he was going to allow anymore "color revolutions", he said it plainly, on his border.
Metabiota was also busy tracking viruses in China. Largely because once again they were getting contracts from USAID which is just another way of saying the CIA.
Again, not a conspiracy theory. Fact.
They likely would have been busy in Kazakstan where we were also building a huge biolab had Putin not stepped in and stopped it claiming he was going to allow anymore "color revolutions", he said it plainly, on his border.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:26 PM (viF8m)
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>>Streaming of newly or re-recorded versions of the songs isn't shared, so that's what's available.
Of the many reasons I don't utilize Streaming for listening...
this is one.
Of the many reasons I don't utilize Streaming for listening...
this is one.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (Shi2G)
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he Fixx was always one of my guilty pleasures, as an original 80's metalhead. I'm going to see them next month for the first time.
I agree about the re-recorded stuff....I hate it. I still have my old CD collection for when i want to hear the good stuff, or I go on YouTube and put on the MTV videos from back then.
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat
Are they touring?
I agree about the re-recorded stuff....I hate it. I still have my old CD collection for when i want to hear the good stuff, or I go on YouTube and put on the MTV videos from back then.
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat
Are they touring?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (0U5gm)
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So you're saying that the Russian army won't be pouring through the Fulda gap on their way to Lisbon?
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (lmFwW)
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Ukraine was supposed to roll over basically immediately
Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
instead? they've hung in there
also, Ukrainians are smart. they're not Indians. they are coming up with ways to fend off the Rus and me personally? I'm impressed
again I am biased being very close with expats here (whom yes, the US Gov brought over for nuclear science expertise originally - well their parents)
Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
instead? they've hung in there
also, Ukrainians are smart. they're not Indians. they are coming up with ways to fend off the Rus and me personally? I'm impressed
again I am biased being very close with expats here (whom yes, the US Gov brought over for nuclear science expertise originally - well their parents)
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (j+aD2)
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"Welfare" really needs a weigh-in program, but I can't see how it could ever be done practically or effectively.
I can eliminate almost all Fraud with this One Simple Trick:
For as many months as is necessary, all entitlement recipients need to show up at regional centers, with their receipts (utility, grocery, bank statements) for the previous month and have AI ingest it.
Merely showing up eliminates the dead, illegals and the double dippers.
Failing to document gets rid of another
Failing a remedial Dave Ramsey test eliminates a whole lot more.
"Welfare" really needs a weigh-in program, but I can't see how it could ever be done practically or effectively.
I can eliminate almost all Fraud with this One Simple Trick:
For as many months as is necessary, all entitlement recipients need to show up at regional centers, with their receipts (utility, grocery, bank statements) for the previous month and have AI ingest it.
Merely showing up eliminates the dead, illegals and the double dippers.
Failing to document gets rid of another
Failing a remedial Dave Ramsey test eliminates a whole lot more.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (rgGn5)
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215 Russia has pretty much all of the land it wants, and Ukraine is a dying country, since its population has been halved. The intelligence agencies can postulate all they want, but this war is only continuing due to support from NATO countries, who desperately want a wider war to cover for their economic suicide run.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Putin doesn't appear to think that way from his public statements. And that is a problem when we analyze him--to him, it is his task to protect Russians everywhere and to restore Russia to great power status.
So he chose to go to war over Ukraine attacking marginally economically useful territories in the Donbas and retaking the mostly Russian Crimea (the entire cession to the supposed SSR Ukraine in 1954 by the USSR was to the Politburo, merely a paper thing).
Perhaps. Putin thought he would be able to decapitate the regime quickly and force a pro Russian peace. He failed. And the remainder of this war is due to climbing the tiger's back, you don't get off or risk being eaten. Zelinsky is in a similar war for his own survival.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Putin doesn't appear to think that way from his public statements. And that is a problem when we analyze him--to him, it is his task to protect Russians everywhere and to restore Russia to great power status.
So he chose to go to war over Ukraine attacking marginally economically useful territories in the Donbas and retaking the mostly Russian Crimea (the entire cession to the supposed SSR Ukraine in 1954 by the USSR was to the Politburo, merely a paper thing).
Perhaps. Putin thought he would be able to decapitate the regime quickly and force a pro Russian peace. He failed. And the remainder of this war is due to climbing the tiger's back, you don't get off or risk being eaten. Zelinsky is in a similar war for his own survival.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (E4rtv)
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> Private contractors then disposed of the devices,
I'm still hoping we revive letters of marque and reprisal.
A supertanker full of oil would be a sweet, sweet prize.
Unrelated: given that we were the first (and so far only) people on the Moon, it's been suggested that we rename it Moon of America.
I'm still hoping we revive letters of marque and reprisal.
A supertanker full of oil would be a sweet, sweet prize.
Unrelated: given that we were the first (and so far only) people on the Moon, it's been suggested that we rename it Moon of America.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (IG3/x)
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Russia-Ukraine is not remotely WWI
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Casualties are right up there. Probably exceeded the total number of Iran Iraq war which was about eight years in length. Bloodiest war in decades leaving out civil wars.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (E4rtv)
I'd say Ukraine has not even gotten to the level of casualties of the Somme.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Casualties are right up there. Probably exceeded the total number of Iran Iraq war which was about eight years in length. Bloodiest war in decades leaving out civil wars.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:07 PM (E4rtv)
I'd say Ukraine has not even gotten to the level of casualties of the Somme.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (zZu0s)
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Through both World Wars and the Cold War, interventionists always said "buh buh buh wuh bout muh Europe?! Europe is Very Important Continent!"
Well, now it's 2026, and Europe doesn't count for shit.
Explain why it matters what happens there.
Well, now it's 2026, and Europe doesn't count for shit.
Explain why it matters what happens there.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (BI5O2)
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Now, imagine drones attacking key Northern munitions factories. The North benefitted from the South running an essentially defensive war. Had the safe factories in the rear been vulnerable to attack by air, suddenly not so similar after all.
Posted by: whig
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And the South was not constantly re-supplied by France or England.
Posted by: whig
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And the South was not constantly re-supplied by France or England.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (hPgrk)
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Russia is also propositioning units and resources for an assault before the winter. One belief is they will go after power generation and utilities in order to create a humanitarian crisis. It’s a desperate move, and given the way Ukrainians have weathered the war, one that will eventually fail. But not before it’s killed a lot of civilians.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (zHdFR)
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Found this out:
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Following the massive commercial breakthrough of their double-platinum 1983 album Reach for the Beach, The Fixx chose to make a more serious, moody, and experimental follow-up album, Phantoms (1984). This musical shift made them harder for radio programmers to categorize.
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Following the massive commercial breakthrough of their double-platinum 1983 album Reach for the Beach, The Fixx chose to make a more serious, moody, and experimental follow-up album, Phantoms (1984). This musical shift made them harder for radio programmers to categorize.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2026 03:29 PM (Fi81e)
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246 > Private contractors then disposed of the devices,
I'm still hoping we revive letters of marque and reprisal.
A supertanker full of oil would be a sweet, sweet prize.
Unrelated: given that we were the first (and so far only) people on the Moon, it's been suggested that we rename it Moon of America.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (IG3/x)
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We are.
https://x.com/benjaminpenn/status/
2092692684427190703
"@benjaminpenn
SCOOP: Justice Dept. plans activating long-dormant maritime war court to streamline capture of Iranian oil tankers as US prizes. Legally uncertain plan intended to bolster blockade of Iran.
A feature of 1700s naval combat, prize courts set to return."
I'm still hoping we revive letters of marque and reprisal.
A supertanker full of oil would be a sweet, sweet prize.
Unrelated: given that we were the first (and so far only) people on the Moon, it's been suggested that we rename it Moon of America.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 28, 2026 03:28 PM (IG3/x)
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We are.
https://x.com/benjaminpenn/status/
2092692684427190703
"@benjaminpenn
SCOOP: Justice Dept. plans activating long-dormant maritime war court to streamline capture of Iranian oil tankers as US prizes. Legally uncertain plan intended to bolster blockade of Iran.
A feature of 1700s naval combat, prize courts set to return."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:29 PM (/PKja)
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Second: Russia is losing this war and one of the most basic reactions to losing on one front is to open another front. The CIA seems to fear that Putin will become desperate and escalate the situation to delay his defeat.
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1) That makes no sense. If you can't handle the fight you're in, deliberately expanding it is suicidal, and unlike our muslim enemies, Putin hasn't shown any evidence of suicidal tendencies.
2) Why in the world would we consider CIA opinions as credible?
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1) That makes no sense. If you can't handle the fight you're in, deliberately expanding it is suicidal, and unlike our muslim enemies, Putin hasn't shown any evidence of suicidal tendencies.
2) Why in the world would we consider CIA opinions as credible?
Posted by: Methos, inauthentic X-bot account at August 28, 2026 03:29 PM (vSvIl)
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I agree about the re-recorded stuff....I hate it. I still have my old CD collection for when i want to hear the good stuff, or I go on YouTube and put on the MTV videos from back then.
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat
Pretty good set of the Fixx performing live online just previous to Covid, I think in a Portland studio or something. Some kind of corporate sponsored gig but on youtube.
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat
Pretty good set of the Fixx performing live online just previous to Covid, I think in a Portland studio or something. Some kind of corporate sponsored gig but on youtube.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:29 PM (E4rtv)
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C.I.A. analysts have long questioned whether Mr. Putin's advisers have given him honest assessments of the war's trajectory and toll.
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Is Putin now also being advised by AutoPen Empire treasonous rejects like Gen. Milley Vanilli, $6-man Lloyd Austin, and other holdover scumbags from Trump 1.0's Pentagon?
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Is Putin now also being advised by AutoPen Empire treasonous rejects like Gen. Milley Vanilli, $6-man Lloyd Austin, and other holdover scumbags from Trump 1.0's Pentagon?
Posted by: ShainS at August 28, 2026 03:30 PM (9c4Eu)
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>>Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
They likely would've had they not been fighting NATO the whole time.
They likely would've had they not been fighting NATO the whole time.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:30 PM (viF8m)
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Through both World Wars and the Cold War, interventionists always said "buh buh buh wuh bout muh Europe?! Europe is Very Important Continent!"
Well, now it's 2026, and Europe doesn't count for shit.
WW2 ended Europe mattering for much, mostly by their own decision to go gay atheist Communist.
Well, now it's 2026, and Europe doesn't count for shit.
WW2 ended Europe mattering for much, mostly by their own decision to go gay atheist Communist.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 28, 2026 03:30 PM (UmGiD)
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Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (j+aD2)
They hung in their with billions of our tax dollars and our munitions and our intelligence so fucking zelensky could snort coke off French hookers asses. After jailing the opposition, outlawing them and stopping elections.
I have not a whit of sympathy for those assholes.
They hung in their with billions of our tax dollars and our munitions and our intelligence so fucking zelensky could snort coke off French hookers asses. After jailing the opposition, outlawing them and stopping elections.
I have not a whit of sympathy for those assholes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 28, 2026 03:30 PM (zZu0s)
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Are they touring?
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Yes, the new tour begins next week. I'm seeing them on 9/11 at the Keswick theater outside of Philly.
It's a real "old guy" tour, the opening acts are Colin Blunstone and Peter Asher.
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Yes, the new tour begins next week. I'm seeing them on 9/11 at the Keswick theater outside of Philly.
It's a real "old guy" tour, the opening acts are Colin Blunstone and Peter Asher.
Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at August 28, 2026 03:30 PM (lmFwW)
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I found out that the Fixx are touring, but only in the northeast, apparently.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:31 PM (0U5gm)
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The Fixx was touring in 23-24. Played a couple of Hard Rocks
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:31 PM (EZWVc)
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Officials said Mr. Ratcliffe's intelligence channel with Bortnikov runs parallel to separate channels that President Trump's envoy, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, have established with other senior advisers to Mr. Putin.
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Putin advisor Cucker Qatarlson hardest hit ...
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Putin advisor Cucker Qatarlson hardest hit ...
Posted by: ShainS at August 28, 2026 03:31 PM (9c4Eu)
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1) That makes no sense. If you can't handle the fight you're in, deliberately expanding it is suicidal, and unlike our muslim enemies, Putin hasn't shown any evidence of suicidal tendencies.
Posted by: Methos
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Putin himself has threatened to use nukes both against Ukraine and obliquely against UK and others that are supplying and arming Ukraine.
One should always take such threats credibly. Not dismiss them. And by all accounts, due to fear of Ukrainian assassins/missiles and his own safety, Putin has deliberately isolated himself more and more from the public and even his own government.
Posted by: Methos
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Putin himself has threatened to use nukes both against Ukraine and obliquely against UK and others that are supplying and arming Ukraine.
One should always take such threats credibly. Not dismiss them. And by all accounts, due to fear of Ukrainian assassins/missiles and his own safety, Putin has deliberately isolated himself more and more from the public and even his own government.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:32 PM (E4rtv)
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2) Why in the world would we consider CIA opinions as credible?
Posted by: Methos, inauthentic X-bot account
I think that's the heart of a lot here. Everyone expected the Russians to curb stomp Ukraine...just like everyone expected the Soviet Union to stay standing well into the 21st century...just like (and I honestly still think this) they believed Saddam had WMDs.
The CIA is incompetent. Or more to the point maybe they're just distracted playing domestic kingmaker. Either way, they are not fit for purpose, which means ultimately we've been flying...if not blind, then with a VERY distorted view of reality.
Posted by: Methos, inauthentic X-bot account
I think that's the heart of a lot here. Everyone expected the Russians to curb stomp Ukraine...just like everyone expected the Soviet Union to stay standing well into the 21st century...just like (and I honestly still think this) they believed Saddam had WMDs.
The CIA is incompetent. Or more to the point maybe they're just distracted playing domestic kingmaker. Either way, they are not fit for purpose, which means ultimately we've been flying...if not blind, then with a VERY distorted view of reality.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at August 28, 2026 03:32 PM (OUMaO)
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243 Ukraine was supposed to roll over basically immediately
Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
instead? they've hung in there
also, Ukrainians are smart. they're not Indians. they are coming up with ways to fend off the Rus and me personally? I'm impressed
again I am biased being very close with expats here (whom yes, the US Gov brought over for nuclear science expertise originally - well their parents)
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (j+aD2)
That was the western assessment of Ukraine.
Ukraine and Russia basically had the same type of military and doctrines, they were both part of the USSR and until 2014 Ukraine was a Russian buffer state. Culturally they aren't that distinct.
It made no sense to assert essentially similar forces would result in a one-sided conflict.
Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
instead? they've hung in there
also, Ukrainians are smart. they're not Indians. they are coming up with ways to fend off the Rus and me personally? I'm impressed
again I am biased being very close with expats here (whom yes, the US Gov brought over for nuclear science expertise originally - well their parents)
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at August 28, 2026 03:27 PM (j+aD2)
That was the western assessment of Ukraine.
Ukraine and Russia basically had the same type of military and doctrines, they were both part of the USSR and until 2014 Ukraine was a Russian buffer state. Culturally they aren't that distinct.
It made no sense to assert essentially similar forces would result in a one-sided conflict.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:32 PM (okun6)
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> A feature of 1700s naval combat, prize courts set to return."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:29 PM (/PKja)
Yeah, I knew about the prize courts coming back, but I haven't seen that we've actually started issuing letters of marque to privateers just yet.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at August 28, 2026 03:29 PM (/PKja)
Yeah, I knew about the prize courts coming back, but I haven't seen that we've actually started issuing letters of marque to privateers just yet.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (IG3/x)
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They are playing Troy and Rochester in September. Hmm
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (EZWVc)
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Ukraine is not a NATO country. Not only do we not have a mutual defense agreement with them, most Americans couldn't even find it on a map if you spotted them Ukrain and circled in red.
So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (viF8m)
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (rgGn5)
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Russia isn't in much of a position to add new fronts. Nor is Putin's position as fragile as has been claimed since the start of this war. There is a tendency to read Russia in western election cycle terms which is not really how they work.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:16 PM (okun6)
Not one IS has good intelligence on what goes on inside Russia.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:16 PM (okun6)
Not one IS has good intelligence on what goes on inside Russia.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (g47mK)
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The fist will run, grasp metal to gun
The spirit sings in crashing tones, we gain the battle drum
Our cries will shrill, the air will moan and crash into the dawn
The pen won't stay the demon's wings
The hour approaches, pounding out the Devil's sermon
The fist will run, grasp metal to gun
The spirit sings in crashing tones, we gain the battle drum
Our cries will shrill, the air will moan and crash into the dawn
The pen won't stay the demon's wings
The hour approaches, pounding out the Devil's sermon
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (4NO2D)
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Ok I have been properly educated. We are putting beef in our gas tanks!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 28, 2026 03:34 PM (n5tGW)
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But AI is the answer to this, as an AI drone doesn't rely on communications with its operator and also doesn't need GPS guidance. They can fly by scanning the ground.
but also they'll probably be putting money into laser-trucks.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (1wjle)
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Yes, AI in weapons is a great idea.
but also they'll probably be putting money into laser-trucks.
Posted by: ace at August 28, 2026 02:44 PM (1wjle)
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Yes, AI in weapons is a great idea.
Posted by: Skynet at August 28, 2026 03:34 PM (U/dC0)
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So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
The late Hal Lindsey Graham and the Disappearing Turtle both assured us that the $200B was distributed across US MIC recipients.
The late Hal Lindsey Graham and the Disappearing Turtle both assured us that the $200B was distributed across US MIC recipients.
Posted by: Community Notes at August 28, 2026 03:34 PM (rgGn5)
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Oh the CIA said so? Well we know they've never lied to us before.
What a joke this website has become.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM (Ys9Hz)
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This is what Russian shock and awe does to you.
The military-political leadership in Ukraine did not even have time to declare war.
They were FROZEN.
Troops were instantly demoralized.
Kiev was basically defeated in SHORTLY OVER AN HOUR.
What a joke this website has become.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM (Ys9Hz)
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This is what Russian shock and awe does to you.
The military-political leadership in Ukraine did not even have time to declare war.
They were FROZEN.
Troops were instantly demoralized.
Kiev was basically defeated in SHORTLY OVER AN HOUR.
Posted by: Pepe Escobar at August 28, 2026 03:34 PM (GdFaB)
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I suppose it's also worth noting that they had low level conflict going on between 2014 and 2022. The Russian and Ukrainian forces had plenty of experience and familiarity with each other going in to 2022.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:35 PM (okun6)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Putting the Genie Back In the Bible at August 28, 2026 03:35 PM (ndZc7)
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Its because they are turning cattle feed into Climate Change™ approved ethanol
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Nope, nothing to do with that. The Feds require "oxygenated" gasoline. California has queer notions about what gasoline should be like as well. Boutique blends.
The Oxygenate of choice was formerly MTBE, but this was found to contaminate ground water. Nasty stuff.
Ethanol was the approved replacement.
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Nope, nothing to do with that. The Feds require "oxygenated" gasoline. California has queer notions about what gasoline should be like as well. Boutique blends.
The Oxygenate of choice was formerly MTBE, but this was found to contaminate ground water. Nasty stuff.
Ethanol was the approved replacement.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:35 PM (3cYpk)
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Ukraine is parlaying that drone mastery
Does anyone actually believe this?
Ukraine is one of the poorest country's in Europe. Surely, this is someone else's mastery on display.
Does anyone actually believe this?
Ukraine is one of the poorest country's in Europe. Surely, this is someone else's mastery on display.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at August 28, 2026 03:35 PM (QvNk9)
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268 Ukraine is not a NATO country. Not only do we not have a mutual defense agreement with them, most Americans couldn't even find it on a map if you spotted them Ukrain and circled in red.
So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (viF8m)
Multiple reasons, some of which you might even agree with. One big one, same reason we opposed the invasion of Kuwait: we don't want the precedent that aggression is rewarded.
So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:33 PM (viF8m)
Multiple reasons, some of which you might even agree with. One big one, same reason we opposed the invasion of Kuwait: we don't want the precedent that aggression is rewarded.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
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Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
instead? they've hung in there
It might well have worked it the Russians' attempt at a coup de main on Keev would have worked at the start.
Alas for them, little Russia let them down.
instead? they've hung in there
It might well have worked it the Russians' attempt at a coup de main on Keev would have worked at the start.
Alas for them, little Russia let them down.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (4NO2D)
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What Putin is afraid of, what goes on inside Kremlin is all a bit of a known unknown. The sources used for such analysis are most like from ex-Soviet republics or thosefrom countries that sat under the iron curtain. SO they view Russia a certain way. US does not have their problematic situation, and history.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (g47mK)
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Kiev was basically defeated in SHORTLY OVER AN HOUR.
Posted by: Pepe Escobar at August 28, 2026 03:34 PM (GdFaB)
Ah, that explains why the war was over so fast.
Posted by: Pepe Escobar at August 28, 2026 03:34 PM (GdFaB)
Ah, that explains why the war was over so fast.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
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For general knowledge, the strains of corn used for food, cattle feed, and ethanol are not the same. Though, the land they can grow on is the same.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (0U5gm)
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the US previously figuring that Russia would eventually win the war due to their great advantage in population and war materiel, the CIA now believes that Russia will lose the war, given the disastrous 2026 Russian spring and summer offensives, which are hardly worthy of the name.
Makes sense. Russia could have ordered a general mobilization - which could easily zergrush Ukraine - but Tsar Putin chose not to do this. He just sent criminals, Islamic scum from the Caucasus, and North Koreans.
Drop a few old issues of Juggs on 'em and they're out of the fight.
Makes sense. Russia could have ordered a general mobilization - which could easily zergrush Ukraine - but Tsar Putin chose not to do this. He just sent criminals, Islamic scum from the Caucasus, and North Koreans.
Drop a few old issues of Juggs on 'em and they're out of the fight.
Posted by: 88C+u at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (88C+u)
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Trump is bringing back privateers
Bernie: the oligarchs will raise pirate crews and take over the seas. Ahhhh
Bernie: the oligarchs will raise pirate crews and take over the seas. Ahhhh
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (EZWVc)
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>>I suppose it's also worth noting that they had low level conflict going on between 2014 and 2022. The Russian and Ukrainian forces had plenty of experience and familiarity with each other going in to 2022.
There was also the minor issue of the Donbas voting to leave Ukraine because it was culturally aligned with Russia.
How did the peaceful government of Ukraine respond to that? Didn't get a lot of western media coverage. Unexpectedly.
There was also the minor issue of the Donbas voting to leave Ukraine because it was culturally aligned with Russia.
How did the peaceful government of Ukraine respond to that? Didn't get a lot of western media coverage. Unexpectedly.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (viF8m)
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What a joke this website has become.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM
Is this a proper flounce? The form seems off.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM
Is this a proper flounce? The form seems off.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (4NO2D)
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256 >>Rus was supposed to overwhelm them THE FIRST WEEK
They likely would've had they not been fighting NATO the whole time.
Posted by: JackStraw
Not really Jack. Putin is not our friend, Ukraine ain't our friend either. Nor is the UK, France, Germany, and many other putative allies.
Despite the Deep State punkin Putin on Ukraine via the color revolution. Putin was pulling the same shit in Georgia prior to that with even GWB putting American planes on the ground there to prevent his sniveling and cowardly Abkhazian based invasion on hold.
Fuck Putin, Fuck Zelinsky, the common people of both nations deserve far better than those assholes and their regimes. And Fuck the IC and its ridiculous meddling as it causes more problems for common people in the long run than it solves.
They likely would've had they not been fighting NATO the whole time.
Posted by: JackStraw
Not really Jack. Putin is not our friend, Ukraine ain't our friend either. Nor is the UK, France, Germany, and many other putative allies.
Despite the Deep State punkin Putin on Ukraine via the color revolution. Putin was pulling the same shit in Georgia prior to that with even GWB putting American planes on the ground there to prevent his sniveling and cowardly Abkhazian based invasion on hold.
Fuck Putin, Fuck Zelinsky, the common people of both nations deserve far better than those assholes and their regimes. And Fuck the IC and its ridiculous meddling as it causes more problems for common people in the long run than it solves.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (E4rtv)
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NATO was repurposed when the Soviets fell to subvert patriotic nations WITHIN Europe. That's when Clinton/Soros raped Serbia for the World Mafia.
Then we overthrew Ukraine and installed the Nazi Z-Bag. Which was a practice run for J6.
We--NATO, State, CIA, BabyLondon--started this war, not Putin.
Europe, especially London, are all trying to start WW III and drag us into it, not Russia. They need to keep the Money Laundering, Bio-Labs, Weapons Trafficking, Sex Trafficking and Child Trafficking going for their Endless War.
Zelesky sells his own people as Cannon Fodder. And everything out of the CIA is pure fucking horseshit.
Then we overthrew Ukraine and installed the Nazi Z-Bag. Which was a practice run for J6.
We--NATO, State, CIA, BabyLondon--started this war, not Putin.
Europe, especially London, are all trying to start WW III and drag us into it, not Russia. They need to keep the Money Laundering, Bio-Labs, Weapons Trafficking, Sex Trafficking and Child Trafficking going for their Endless War.
Zelesky sells his own people as Cannon Fodder. And everything out of the CIA is pure fucking horseshit.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 28, 2026 03:38 PM (cu1Xa)
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Ah, that explains why the war was over so fast.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
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Actual tweet from Pepe Escobar on February 24 2022.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
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Actual tweet from Pepe Escobar on February 24 2022.
Posted by: Pepe Escobar at August 28, 2026 03:38 PM (GdFaB)
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Putin himself has threatened to use nukes both against Ukraine and obliquely against UK and others that are supplying and arming Ukraine.
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And he is right to do so. The Europeans are supporting attacks against civilians in his territory and one way or another, as the leader of his country, he has an obligation to deter them.
We should have nuked Kabul and Kandahar after 9/11 for exactly the same reason.
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And he is right to do so. The Europeans are supporting attacks against civilians in his territory and one way or another, as the leader of his country, he has an obligation to deter them.
We should have nuked Kabul and Kandahar after 9/11 for exactly the same reason.
Posted by: Methos, inauthentic X-bot account at August 28, 2026 03:39 PM (vSvIl)
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How did the peaceful government of Ukraine respond to that? Didn't get a lot of western media coverage. Unexpectedly.
Posted by: JackStraw
I can't recall seeing a lot of mainstream media showing the videos of Ukranian units shelling towns in the eastern provinces. They were doing it for years.
Posted by: JackStraw
I can't recall seeing a lot of mainstream media showing the videos of Ukranian units shelling towns in the eastern provinces. They were doing it for years.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 28, 2026 03:39 PM (0U5gm)
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So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
Posted by: JackStraw
To launder $200 billion. They think their Big Reset is coming.
Posted by: JackStraw
To launder $200 billion. They think their Big Reset is coming.
Posted by: t-bird at August 28, 2026 03:39 PM (3arSl)
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Actual tweet from Pepe Escobar on February 24 2022.
Posted by: Pepe Escobar at August 28, 2026 03:38 PM (GdFaB)
ah
Posted by: Pepe Escobar at August 28, 2026 03:38 PM (GdFaB)
ah
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:40 PM (xcxpd)
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For general knowledge, the strains of corn used for food, cattle feed, and ethanol are not the same.
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A distinction without a difference for what's under discussion.
They feed the remainder to hogs and cattle. This product even has a name. "Distillers Dried Grains" or DDGs. It might be a different strain, but guess what? The fucking cattle don't give a shit.
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A distinction without a difference for what's under discussion.
They feed the remainder to hogs and cattle. This product even has a name. "Distillers Dried Grains" or DDGs. It might be a different strain, but guess what? The fucking cattle don't give a shit.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:40 PM (3cYpk)
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Multiple reasons, some of which you might even agree with. One big one, same reason we opposed the invasion of Kuwait: we don't want the precedent that aggression is rewarded.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
Which is a funny comparison because:
George H. W. more or less told Saddam Kuwait was none of the US's concern beforehand, just like Sleep Joe said a little invasion of Ukraine would be no big deal beforehand. Why, it's almost like we wanted both of these conflicts to ripen.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
Which is a funny comparison because:
George H. W. more or less told Saddam Kuwait was none of the US's concern beforehand, just like Sleep Joe said a little invasion of Ukraine would be no big deal beforehand. Why, it's almost like we wanted both of these conflicts to ripen.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (cpb9t)
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Nood - study shows trannies are more likely to *gasp* get violent.
Posted by: Thrawn at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (hbfWH)
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Does anyone actually believe this?
Ukraine is one of the poorest country's in Europe. Surely, this is someone else's mastery on display.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket
They have some really bright guys there just as the Russians do. And the fact that drones at the tactical level are pretty simple helped. What is clear though that while pilots on both airforces are pretty much grounded due to anti air to air missiles, robo guided ordnance has become king.
200 billion buys a lot of tooling, factories, and revenge for the Ukrainians.
Ukraine is one of the poorest country's in Europe. Surely, this is someone else's mastery on display.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket
They have some really bright guys there just as the Russians do. And the fact that drones at the tactical level are pretty simple helped. What is clear though that while pilots on both airforces are pretty much grounded due to anti air to air missiles, robo guided ordnance has become king.
200 billion buys a lot of tooling, factories, and revenge for the Ukrainians.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (E4rtv)
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Ukraine and Russia basically had the same type of military and doctrines, they were both part of the USSR and until 2014 Ukraine was a Russian buffer state. Culturally they aren't that distinct.
True in AD 750 maybe but things have changed. I follow some linguistic channels on Youtube. They report that Ukraine came under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth where the prestige language was Polish. So they have a lot of Polish loanwords.
Russia came under the Mongols, and then Peter the Great moved to Leningrad. Prestige language here was French. Some German. These loanwords did not come to Ukraine.
True in AD 750 maybe but things have changed. I follow some linguistic channels on Youtube. They report that Ukraine came under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth where the prestige language was Polish. So they have a lot of Polish loanwords.
Russia came under the Mongols, and then Peter the Great moved to Leningrad. Prestige language here was French. Some German. These loanwords did not come to Ukraine.
Posted by: 88C+u at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (88C+u)
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F*ck, watching that actual battlefield footage.
Do you remember how much smoke the U.S. could create on the battlefield in WWII? Surely smoke capabilities are even much better now?
For that Ukraine counter-offensive, if I was a soldier, I would want a sh*t ton of smoke until I got into a favorable position.
Likewise, when I see a drone chasing soldiers in the open, would popping off a big smoke canister protect the soldiers from a direct hit from an FPV drone grenade?
(Questions from a non-military Moron.)
Do you remember how much smoke the U.S. could create on the battlefield in WWII? Surely smoke capabilities are even much better now?
For that Ukraine counter-offensive, if I was a soldier, I would want a sh*t ton of smoke until I got into a favorable position.
Likewise, when I see a drone chasing soldiers in the open, would popping off a big smoke canister protect the soldiers from a direct hit from an FPV drone grenade?
(Questions from a non-military Moron.)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (HlyYF)
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>>Multiple reasons, some of which you might even agree with. One big one, same reason we opposed the invasion of Kuwait: we don't want the precedent that aggression is rewarded.
I don't agree with any war that was largely started by corrupt US politicians and our garbage intel community.
We knew for years that a further eastward expansion of NATO toward Russia was going to result in war. Not only did Putin clearly state it, he gave us a test run in Georgia.
The myths that people have been sold about what led to this war are largely just that, myths. This was a war we helped fuel so some jackoffs in foggy bottom could play their game of global Risk. And now tens and likely hundreds of thousands are dead, billions of our tax dollars have been lit on fire and nobody wins. Super.
I don't agree with any war that was largely started by corrupt US politicians and our garbage intel community.
We knew for years that a further eastward expansion of NATO toward Russia was going to result in war. Not only did Putin clearly state it, he gave us a test run in Georgia.
The myths that people have been sold about what led to this war are largely just that, myths. This was a war we helped fuel so some jackoffs in foggy bottom could play their game of global Risk. And now tens and likely hundreds of thousands are dead, billions of our tax dollars have been lit on fire and nobody wins. Super.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (viF8m)
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297 Multiple reasons, some of which you might even agree with. One big one, same reason we opposed the invasion of Kuwait: we don't want the precedent that aggression is rewarded.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
Which is a funny comparison because:
George H. W. more or less told Saddam Kuwait was none of the US's concern beforehand, just like Sleep Joe said a little invasion of Ukraine would be no big deal beforehand. Why, it's almost like we wanted both of these conflicts to ripen.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (cpb9t)
Korean war started the same way. The US Government could fuck up a wet dream. And then soldiers, sailors and Marines have to pay the price. And don't get me started on gas prices as well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:36 PM (xcxpd)
Which is a funny comparison because:
George H. W. more or less told Saddam Kuwait was none of the US's concern beforehand, just like Sleep Joe said a little invasion of Ukraine would be no big deal beforehand. Why, it's almost like we wanted both of these conflicts to ripen.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (cpb9t)
Korean war started the same way. The US Government could fuck up a wet dream. And then soldiers, sailors and Marines have to pay the price. And don't get me started on gas prices as well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (hPgrk)
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Fuck Putin, Fuck Zelinsky, the common people of both nations deserve far better than those assholes and their regimes. And Fuck the IC and its ridiculous meddling as it causes more problems for common people in the long run than it solves
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This guy gets it.
I've never been able to figure out how most countries have wonderful people. And absolutely wretched, vile leaders on a consistent basis.
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This guy gets it.
I've never been able to figure out how most countries have wonderful people. And absolutely wretched, vile leaders on a consistent basis.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (3cYpk)
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And now tens and likely hundreds of thousands are dead, billions of our tax dollars have been lit on fire and nobody wins. Super.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (viF8m)
But hey, we crippled the Russian military and got to preview drone warfare.
Eh, I mostly agree with you. But there are layers and there are reasons to keep Russia from stomping its neighbors. Not saying the Ukes are saints tho.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (viF8m)
But hey, we crippled the Russian military and got to preview drone warfare.
Eh, I mostly agree with you. But there are layers and there are reasons to keep Russia from stomping its neighbors. Not saying the Ukes are saints tho.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 28, 2026 03:44 PM (xcxpd)
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I suppose it's also worth noting that they had low level conflict going on between 2014 and 2022. The Russian and Ukrainian forces had plenty of experience and familiarity with each other going in to 2022.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:35 PM (okun6)
Right, Russia did not "start a war," they escalated one.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:35 PM (okun6)
Right, Russia did not "start a war," they escalated one.
Posted by: Methos, inauthentic X-bot account at August 28, 2026 03:44 PM (vSvIl)
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George H. W. more or less told Saddam Kuwait was none of the US's concern beforehand, just like Sleep Joe said a little invasion of Ukraine would be no big deal beforehand. Why, it's almost like we wanted both of these conflicts to ripen.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket
Well, that is whether April Glaspie, ambassador to Iraq understood that Saddam aimed at taking the Kuwaitis out. At the time, GHWB was preoccupied with the dying Soviet Union. You can dig up her wiki page which is ambiguous depending on which source you believe on transcription.
One has, "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 1960s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi (Chedli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League) or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly." Continued,
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket
Well, that is whether April Glaspie, ambassador to Iraq understood that Saddam aimed at taking the Kuwaitis out. At the time, GHWB was preoccupied with the dying Soviet Union. You can dig up her wiki page which is ambiguous depending on which source you believe on transcription.
One has, "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 1960s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi (Chedli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League) or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly." Continued,
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:44 PM (E4rtv)
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300 "Ukraine and Russia basically had the same type of military and doctrines, they were both part of the USSR and until 2014 Ukraine was a Russian buffer state. Culturally they aren't that distinct."
True in AD 750 maybe but things have changed. I follow some linguistic channels on Youtube. They report that Ukraine came under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth where the prestige language was Polish. So they have a lot of Polish loanwords.
Russia came under the Mongols, and then Peter the Great moved to Leningrad. Prestige language here was French. Some German. These loanwords did not come to Ukraine.
Posted by: 88C+u at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (88C+u)
The PLC was partitioned. The language and religion remained far closer to Russia.
At any rate, the conflict is something closer to the same military fighting itself than Russia fighting a different power.
True in AD 750 maybe but things have changed. I follow some linguistic channels on Youtube. They report that Ukraine came under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth where the prestige language was Polish. So they have a lot of Polish loanwords.
Russia came under the Mongols, and then Peter the Great moved to Leningrad. Prestige language here was French. Some German. These loanwords did not come to Ukraine.
Posted by: 88C+u at August 28, 2026 03:41 PM (88C+u)
The PLC was partitioned. The language and religion remained far closer to Russia.
At any rate, the conflict is something closer to the same military fighting itself than Russia fighting a different power.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at August 28, 2026 03:44 PM (okun6)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:44 PM (hPgrk)
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Other has this transcription.
"One version of the transcript has Glaspie saying:
We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship — not confrontation — regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?
Later the transcript has Glaspie saying:[citation needed]
We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.
April Glaspie meets Saddam Hussein in 1990 (Sadoun al-Zubaydi center)
"
"One version of the transcript has Glaspie saying:
We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship — not confrontation — regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?
Later the transcript has Glaspie saying:[citation needed]
We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.
April Glaspie meets Saddam Hussein in 1990 (Sadoun al-Zubaydi center)
"
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:45 PM (E4rtv)
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Couldn't you make defensive drone swarms that can be released quickly as offensive ones approach. Could be really small. Stick onto the offensive ones and fire a 22 caliber bullet through it. Or release a spray of silly string crap to foul the propellers.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 28, 2026 03:45 PM (/WHpM)
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I've never been able to figure out how most countries have wonderful people. And absolutely wretched, vile leaders on a consistent basis.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (3cYpk)
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Absolute Power Attracts Absolute Psychopaths.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (3cYpk)
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Absolute Power Attracts Absolute Psychopaths.
Posted by: ShainS at August 28, 2026 03:46 PM (9c4Eu)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 28, 2026 03:46 PM (hPgrk)
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>>I've never been able to figure out how most countries have wonderful people. And absolutely wretched, vile leaders on a consistent basis.
Because once people like Victoria Nuland get in power they start to believe their own bullshit and think they alone should decide how to reorder the world. It's not a uniquely American situation but we sure do have our share.
I mean the same people tried to run a coup against our own president and then rigged an election to keep out of office, tried to throw him in prison and then best case looked the other way when nut bags they likely radicalized tried to murder him. Our president. Does anyone really think they give a shit about wars in far away places when they know the media will turn it into a teevee special?
Because once people like Victoria Nuland get in power they start to believe their own bullshit and think they alone should decide how to reorder the world. It's not a uniquely American situation but we sure do have our share.
I mean the same people tried to run a coup against our own president and then rigged an election to keep out of office, tried to throw him in prison and then best case looked the other way when nut bags they likely radicalized tried to murder him. Our president. Does anyone really think they give a shit about wars in far away places when they know the media will turn it into a teevee special?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2026 03:48 PM (viF8m)
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At any rate, the conflict is something closer to the same military fighting itself than Russia fighting a different power.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Unless one is Ukrainian, what we say as outsiders has scarce relevance to facts on the ground. It is what they believe to be true and nations are often founded by being forged in blood. Claim to Austrians that they are really Germans sometime. Or Swiss.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Unless one is Ukrainian, what we say as outsiders has scarce relevance to facts on the ground. It is what they believe to be true and nations are often founded by being forged in blood. Claim to Austrians that they are really Germans sometime. Or Swiss.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:48 PM (E4rtv)
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What a joke this website has become.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM
Is this a proper flounce? The form seems off.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (4NO2D)
A joke like funny? Funny like a clown? Do we make you laugh?
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM
Is this a proper flounce? The form seems off.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (4NO2D)
A joke like funny? Funny like a clown? Do we make you laugh?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 28, 2026 03:50 PM (zZu0s)
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STOP giving aid and intelligence to IRAN.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Possibly. Probably a whole agenda to discuss. But like the idiotic mullahs in IRGC, they always get a say in what happens.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Possibly. Probably a whole agenda to discuss. But like the idiotic mullahs in IRGC, they always get a say in what happens.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:50 PM (E4rtv)
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I've never been able to figure out how most countries have wonderful people. And absolutely wretched, vile leaders on a consistent basis.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (3cYpk)
Governments are populated by people who want power over other people.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2026 03:42 PM (3cYpk)
Governments are populated by people who want power over other people.
Posted by: Methos, inauthentic X-bot account at August 28, 2026 03:52 PM (vSvIl)
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304 Putin should hire Mossad to take out Zelensky.
Posted by: Braenyard
He was stupid, by his actions in Syria, he pissed off the Israelis and forced them to at least have some relations on the down low on strategic matters with the Ukrainians. Same with his embrace with Iran that is now biting him in the ass.
Posted by: Braenyard
He was stupid, by his actions in Syria, he pissed off the Israelis and forced them to at least have some relations on the down low on strategic matters with the Ukrainians. Same with his embrace with Iran that is now biting him in the ass.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:53 PM (E4rtv)
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317 What a joke this website has become.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM
Is this a proper flounce? The form seems off.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (4NO2D)
A joke like funny? Funny like a clown? Do we make you laugh?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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The proper flounce is similar to metaphorical defenestration. Except for comedic purposes.
Posted by: kat von wisc at August 28, 2026 03:24 PM
Is this a proper flounce? The form seems off.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 28, 2026 03:37 PM (4NO2D)
A joke like funny? Funny like a clown? Do we make you laugh?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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The proper flounce is similar to metaphorical defenestration. Except for comedic purposes.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2026 03:56 PM (E4rtv)
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So why did we send them $200 billion to fight a war we do not really care about?
Posted by: JackStraw
To launder $200 billion. They think their Big Reset is coming.
Posted by: t-bird
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Don't forget 10% to the Big Guy.
Posted by: JackStraw
To launder $200 billion. They think their Big Reset is coming.
Posted by: t-bird
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Don't forget 10% to the Big Guy.
Posted by: wth at August 28, 2026 04:01 PM (UjdFS)
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Calling TTLBS on this 1. sorriest propaganda so far today but it's early yet.
Posted by: jt at August 28, 2026 04:17 PM (wXX2g)
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