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Gun Thread: Third August Edition!
FUNdamentals Fundamentals of carrying, that is. Interested in what you guys think about this - any preferences? How about the gals? How're you carrying?
Special Fundamentals Bonus (or fundamentals of not being retarded) PRO TIP: Have you looked at your concealed weapon permit lately? Don't be the guy who realizes it expired in 2023. Check your permit expiration date today!
Python v. 686
Sako Rifles
Colt Agent Disassembly
Damnit! Mo' pimp guns
Restoration Fever What, if anything, might you have done differently?
Nuclear Twofer! Number Uno: Nuclear Might: Ready But Safe
Our Pal The Micro Drill Bit
Highway Patrol! This week's episode: Tear Gas Copter!
Killers From Space! I hate it when these guys show up!
Well, this cigar is appropriately named. It was a revelation. A fine feel with a solid wrap and easy to hold. It lit well with an even ash and smokey result. And boring. Every once in awhile you find a cigar the looks good, feels good, and smokes good, and it just doesn't do anything for you. This was such a cigar. Everything went well but after ten minutes of trying to find something worthwhile about it, I gave up. No real aroma, no real taste, nothing. Zip. Nada. Consequently, I focused on the scotch (14 year Glen Morangie) and watching the eagle soaring over the neighborhood. I rate this cigar just one step above anything labeled as "sweet." And at $8.00, definitely overpriced. SighExcellent, Diogenes! Thank you!
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Comments
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Yo!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:00 PM (LMRVO)
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Greetings!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM (g5tO/)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM (5LIEJ)
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I did it. I actually did it. Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM (LMRVO)
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Scoob! How goes the move?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM (5LIEJ)
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Bangg
Posted by: Eromero at August 16, 2026 07:02 PM (LHPAg)
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Guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:03 PM (xcxpd)
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5 Scoob! How goes the move?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
RMBS!!! No move yet. May not even have to move. I will shoot you an email.
I will watch that video on the Sako and Tikka factory and see how my latest toy was created. :-)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
RMBS!!! No move yet. May not even have to move. I will shoot you an email.
I will watch that video on the Sako and Tikka factory and see how my latest toy was created. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM (g5tO/)
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Check your permit expiration date today!
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Now you tell me. It has.
If I want to have one, I now have to go through the entire rigamarole again.
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Now you tell me. It has.
If I want to have one, I now have to go through the entire rigamarole again.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM (XeU6L)
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RMBS, how goes the real estate viewing?
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM (LMRVO)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2026 07:05 PM (Ia/+0)
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So did get to range, first and foremost.
Did one set of drills with my G21, starting with a Dicken drill cold at 25 yards. I failed. Only 7/10 in the target area instead of 8/10.
After 50 rounds with the G21, I went back to my G30, which I had detailed stripped and cleaned. (it was filthy, as most of my Glocks are) After the cleaning, no malfunctions. Yea.
Ended the session with another Dicken drill with the G30 w/red dot. Despite the shorter barrel, the G30 was more accurate giving me a tighter group at 25 yards and 8/10 hits giving me a passing grade. More evidence, if it was needed, that red dots make a difference for old fuckers like me.
Did one set of drills with my G21, starting with a Dicken drill cold at 25 yards. I failed. Only 7/10 in the target area instead of 8/10.
After 50 rounds with the G21, I went back to my G30, which I had detailed stripped and cleaned. (it was filthy, as most of my Glocks are) After the cleaning, no malfunctions. Yea.
Ended the session with another Dicken drill with the G30 w/red dot. Despite the shorter barrel, the G30 was more accurate giving me a tighter group at 25 yards and 8/10 hits giving me a passing grade. More evidence, if it was needed, that red dots make a difference for old fuckers like me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:06 PM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM
Nice. I'm fully moved and trying to figure out where to put things.
Nice. I'm fully moved and trying to figure out where to put things.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:06 PM (5LIEJ)
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and yes, I did renew my CC permit last year. I had a few weeks of sweating as I did wait too long.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:06 PM (xcxpd)
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Diogeneses, is that a Jericho?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:08 PM (xcxpd)
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Some good news - kidlet was after a Kuna, but after sharing wisdom, convinced him to purchase another AR (DD).
Very nice. Also - cigar prices seem to have moderated a bit, and there seems to be some good quality tobacco out there...
Now if the bourbon bubble continues to deflate...
Very nice. Also - cigar prices seem to have moderated a bit, and there seems to be some good quality tobacco out there...
Now if the bourbon bubble continues to deflate...
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 07:09 PM (XuXeR)
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RMBS, how goes the real estate viewing?
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM
Slow. That house in Raymond had a lot going for it, but there were too many issues for me to make an offer. Now that I'm out of the condo, I can put a lot more effort into finding something good.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM
Slow. That house in Raymond had a lot going for it, but there were too many issues for me to make an offer. Now that I'm out of the condo, I can put a lot more effort into finding something good.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:09 PM (5LIEJ)
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9 Check your permit expiration date today!
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Now you tell me. It has.
If I want to have one, I now have to go through the entire rigamarole again.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM (XeU6L)
Renewal MIGHT be easier than first timing it. It is in WA at least, even if it expires. It takes longer but it didn't have any extra drama, just more time.
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Now you tell me. It has.
If I want to have one, I now have to go through the entire rigamarole again.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 16, 2026 07:04 PM (XeU6L)
Renewal MIGHT be easier than first timing it. It is in WA at least, even if it expires. It takes longer but it didn't have any extra drama, just more time.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:09 PM (xcxpd)
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Weasel, thanks for the Navy Seal concealed carry video.
My brother is ready to start carrying after several things he has seen in the last month that set off his "family safety" radar.
I am going to advise him to view that one. Especially since I am of no help since I only "house" carry and "truck" carry.
My brother is ready to start carrying after several things he has seen in the last month that set off his "family safety" radar.
I am going to advise him to view that one. Especially since I am of no help since I only "house" carry and "truck" carry.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 16, 2026 07:10 PM (HlyYF)
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I haven’t been in RI in maybe 5 years, so when my permit expired in June, I didn’t think much about it.
Yep, drove through RI last week.
Yep, drove through RI last week.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:10 PM (LMRVO)
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Scoob! How goes the move?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
RMBS!!! No move yet. May not even have to move. I will shoot you an email.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Hello all!
I need an update too Scoob! Just saying...
And RMBS, how goes the house hunt?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
RMBS!!! No move yet. May not even have to move. I will shoot you an email.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
***********
Hello all!
I need an update too Scoob! Just saying...
And RMBS, how goes the house hunt?
Posted by: The Grateful - R at August 16, 2026 07:11 PM (XfIK1)
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4 I did it. I actually did it. Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Of course you got a first.
Squeezing a man's nuts is a well know technique for imparting in him a profound sense of urgency!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Of course you got a first.
Squeezing a man's nuts is a well know technique for imparting in him a profound sense of urgency!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 16, 2026 07:12 PM (HlyYF)
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Southern Munitions is having a sale on Reman ammo. I've used them before and they've treated me well. Unlike LAX Reman ammo...
*shakes fist*
*shakes fist*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:12 PM (xcxpd)
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13 Nice. I'm fully moved and trying to figure out where to put things.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:06 PM
Did you take that place you mentioned last week? (I think )
Is it in a Free State?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:06 PM
Did you take that place you mentioned last week? (I think )
Is it in a Free State?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:12 PM (g5tO/)
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And RMBS, how goes the house hunt?
Posted by: The Grateful - R at August 16, 2026 07:11 PM
Slow, but ramping it up. I'm seeing more inventory, but the interest rates are still up there.
Posted by: The Grateful - R at August 16, 2026 07:11 PM
Slow, but ramping it up. I'm seeing more inventory, but the interest rates are still up there.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:13 PM (5LIEJ)
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 07:13 PM (XuXeR)
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PRO TIP: Have you looked at your concealed weapon permit lately? Don't be the guy who realizes it expired in 2023. Check your permit expiration date today!
One of the few benefits of being elderly; mine never expires.
One of the few benefits of being elderly; mine never expires.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 16, 2026 07:14 PM (4NO2D)
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PI, I was going to engage Nurse on the issue of Grower versus Shower, and how it relates to boxer versus briefs.
But I know her. She shoots well.
But I know her. She shoots well.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:16 PM (LMRVO)
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Hi.
I'm here and also reporting for Ed L who's computer is kaput so can't be here. Wanted to make sure he didn't get a mark on his permanent record.
No range report because postponed to next week but I have been doing research this week.
I'm here and also reporting for Ed L who's computer is kaput so can't be here. Wanted to make sure he didn't get a mark on his permanent record.
No range report because postponed to next week but I have been doing research this week.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 07:16 PM (kJmSS)
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Broken Arrow? Ready but safe?
I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSS6F0eminM&t=328s
I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSS6F0eminM&t=328s
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:17 PM (5LIEJ)
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One of the few benefits of being elderly; mine never expires.
Posted by: toby928(c)
I don't get it.
One of the few benefits of being elderly; mine never expires.
Posted by: toby928(c)
I don't get it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 16, 2026 07:17 PM (Cqx++)
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Renewal MIGHT be easier than first timing it. It is in WA at least, even if it expires. It takes longer but it didn't have any extra drama, just more time.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Alas...has been more than 60 days...
"Late Renewals: If your permit has expired, you may still renew it if it has been less than 60 days since expiration. However, if it has been more than 60 days, you will need to apply as a new applicant."
Renewal MIGHT be easier than first timing it. It is in WA at least, even if it expires. It takes longer but it didn't have any extra drama, just more time.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Alas...has been more than 60 days...
"Late Renewals: If your permit has expired, you may still renew it if it has been less than 60 days since expiration. However, if it has been more than 60 days, you will need to apply as a new applicant."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 16, 2026 07:18 PM (XeU6L)
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Did you take that place you mentioned last week? (I think )
Is it in a Free State?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:12 PM
No. Too many issues with it, and at the far northern limit of my range. Which is good, because I just found out that we might be back in the office more, so that drive would have been a pain.
Is it in a Free State?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:12 PM
No. Too many issues with it, and at the far northern limit of my range. Which is good, because I just found out that we might be back in the office more, so that drive would have been a pain.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:19 PM (5LIEJ)
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Diogenes
That's the saddest cigar review I've ever read. At least your gourmet Grape Swisher's never disappoint.
That's the saddest cigar review I've ever read. At least your gourmet Grape Swisher's never disappoint.
Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at August 16, 2026 07:20 PM (faK3k)
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Thankfully I do not have a CC I have to renew. But I did double check when my handgun license and rifle permit expires in the Peoples Republic of NYC.
I do not have to renew those until 2028.
I will hopefully be ensconced in the Free State of Florida thumbing my nose at them by that time.
I do not have to renew those until 2028.
I will hopefully be ensconced in the Free State of Florida thumbing my nose at them by that time.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:21 PM (g5tO/)
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One of the few benefits of being elderly; mine never expires.
Posted by: toby928(c)
I don't get it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 16, 2026 07:17 PM (Cqx++)
*checks hash to see if TJM is socking Bertram*
One of the few benefits of being elderly; mine never expires.
Posted by: toby928(c)
I don't get it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 16, 2026 07:17 PM (Cqx++)
*checks hash to see if TJM is socking Bertram*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:22 PM (xcxpd)
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I have been continuing my research into the Bodyguard2 so followed S&W on X. Found this fabulous post and scrolled down to look at more of what she had to say and really impressed especially when she started talking about FUNDAMENTALS.
https://tinyurl.com/59pvhujh
She is a champion shooter, carries a Bodyguard and her tactics and advice really helpful. And she's fun to watch. Videos are short and to the point.
https://tinyurl.com/59pvhujh
She is a champion shooter, carries a Bodyguard and her tactics and advice really helpful. And she's fun to watch. Videos are short and to the point.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 07:23 PM (kJmSS)
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28 PI, I was going to engage Nurse on the issue of Grower versus Shower, and how it relates to boxer versus briefs.
But I know her. She shoots well.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:16 PM
And I shoot poorly.
I am pretty sure it is because my SOCKS are too tight and my watch face is too small.
But I am still open to modifying other variables!
But I know her. She shoots well.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:16 PM
And I shoot poorly.
I am pretty sure it is because my SOCKS are too tight and my watch face is too small.
But I am still open to modifying other variables!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 16, 2026 07:23 PM (HlyYF)
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"Late Renewals: If your permit has expired, you may still renew it if it has been less than 60 days since expiration. However, if it has been more than 60 days, you will need to apply as a new applicant."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Government when data retention aids a citizen:
"For your privacy, all CCL data is purged 60 days after the license period ends."
Government when data retention aids the government:
"This HD video from our license plate reader shows you were clearly carrying and imprinting while at the CVS on fourth and main at 11:02 PM on June 17, 2019....."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Government when data retention aids a citizen:
"For your privacy, all CCL data is purged 60 days after the license period ends."
Government when data retention aids the government:
"This HD video from our license plate reader shows you were clearly carrying and imprinting while at the CVS on fourth and main at 11:02 PM on June 17, 2019....."
Posted by: mikeski at August 16, 2026 07:23 PM (VHUov)
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33 I just found out that we might be back in the office more, so that drive would have been a pain.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:19 PM
I feel for you there. I have to be in the office 3 days a week.
I can pick the days as the only stipulation is that you come in 2 Mondays and 2 Fridays a month.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:19 PM
I feel for you there. I have to be in the office 3 days a week.
I can pick the days as the only stipulation is that you come in 2 Mondays and 2 Fridays a month.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:25 PM (g5tO/)
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>>I haven’t been in RI in maybe 5 years, so when my permit expired in June, I didn’t think much about it.
Yes you were, Mr. Whitey Tighty.
Yes you were, Mr. Whitey Tighty.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 07:25 PM (viF8m)
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Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Even pants are optional!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (FZ29D)
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20 I haven’t been in RI in maybe 5 years, so when my permit expired in June, I didn’t think much about it.
Yep, drove through RI last week.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:10 PM
I have been to RI only once. Block Island.
Was diving on a WWII German U-boat that was sunk there near the end of the war.
Yep, drove through RI last week.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:10 PM
I have been to RI only once. Block Island.
Was diving on a WWII German U-boat that was sunk there near the end of the war.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (g5tO/)
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One of the "broken arrow" incidents was a bit hard to fathom, if I recall correctly 4 out of 5 failsafes had basically tripped or became inoperative, the only thing that kept this weapon from fully detonating (in a farm field in one of the Carolinas maybe) was an inexpensive, ordinary relay type switch, something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (H50PN)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and an unexpired greeting to our host Weasel!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:29 PM (xVpNO)
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45 One of the "broken arrow" incidents was a bit hard to fathom, if I recall correctly 4 out of 5 failsafes had basically tripped or became inoperative, the only thing that kept this weapon from fully detonating (in a farm field in one of the Carolinas maybe) was an inexpensive, ordinary relay type switch, something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (H50PN)
There have been a shocking number of nukes dropped on the CONUS. The fact that none detonated (though one is still in Charleston harbor or Savannah) is a sign of divine grace.
Wendigoon had a video about it, I think the number was like 23 or something.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (H50PN)
There have been a shocking number of nukes dropped on the CONUS. The fact that none detonated (though one is still in Charleston harbor or Savannah) is a sign of divine grace.
Wendigoon had a video about it, I think the number was like 23 or something.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:30 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 07:30 PM (XuXeR)
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46 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:29 PM
Evening Schnor!!! Hope all is well!
Evening Schnor!!! Hope all is well!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:31 PM (g5tO/)
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Don't need a permit to conceal carry in Missouri.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at August 16, 2026 07:31 PM (c/QKZ)
Posted by: Yoda at August 16, 2026 07:31 PM (0sNs1)
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43 Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:32 PM (E4rtv)
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I received my NC CCH permit last week. Now I'm waiting for the Falco IWB holster.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 07:32 PM (rj6Yv)
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https://tinyurl.com/59pvhujh
She is a champion shooter, carries a Bodyguard...
Interesting. Last I knew (a couple of years ago) she was affiliated with Sig.
She is a champion shooter, carries a Bodyguard...
Interesting. Last I knew (a couple of years ago) she was affiliated with Sig.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 07:33 PM (vTZFs)
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I think the one in Savannah, they never found it. That's comforting.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:33 PM (H50PN)
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Evening Schnor!!! Hope all is well!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:31 PM (g5tO/)
Starting up a new job, hopefully this week.
Also, happy to hear about you maybe not having to move.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:31 PM (g5tO/)
Starting up a new job, hopefully this week.
Also, happy to hear about you maybe not having to move.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (xVpNO)
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Hi weasel! Hi gun nutz!
Range report:
Met MAE and LazyMessenger Saturday morning. I had son #1 in tow. Had a lovely time shooting. Son got to shoot Mark’s G26 and did better one handed than two. Son likes the G19 I gave him best. Also shot my G42. He shoots Glocks well.
I do not.
Then I took son to breakfast where he got the chicken fried steak and eggs and I got biscuits and gravy.
Awesome day.
Range report:
Met MAE and LazyMessenger Saturday morning. I had son #1 in tow. Had a lovely time shooting. Son got to shoot Mark’s G26 and did better one handed than two. Son likes the G19 I gave him best. Also shot my G42. He shoots Glocks well.
I do not.
Then I took son to breakfast where he got the chicken fried steak and eggs and I got biscuits and gravy.
Awesome day.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (lyImQ)
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PRO TIP: Have you looked at your concealed weapon permit lately? Don't be the guy who realizes it expired in 2023. Check your permit expiration date today!
Um, don't have one, don't need one.
PRO TIP: Move to where you don't need one.
Um, don't have one, don't need one.
PRO TIP: Move to where you don't need one.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (PVjNi)
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>>I have been to RI only once. Block Island.
Was diving on a WWII German U-boat that was sunk there near the end of the war.
The last German U-boat sunk in WWII.
U-853
And ixnay on the lockb slandiay. Rhode Island doesn't exist.
Was diving on a WWII German U-boat that was sunk there near the end of the war.
The last German U-boat sunk in WWII.
U-853
And ixnay on the lockb slandiay. Rhode Island doesn't exist.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (viF8m)
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I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations"
"Does this smell funny to you? "
"Does this smell funny to you? "
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 07:36 PM (XuXeR)
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57 Hi weasel! Hi gun nutz!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (lyImQ)
Are gun nutz like truck nutz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (lyImQ)
Are gun nutz like truck nutz?
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:36 PM (PVjNi)
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37 I have been continuing my research into the Bodyguard2 so followed S&W on X. Found this fabulous post and scrolled down to look at more of what she had to say and really impressed especially when she started talking about FUNDAMENTALS.
https://tinyurl.com/59pvhujh
She is a champion shooter, carries a Bodyguard and her tactics and advice really helpful. And she's fun to watch. Videos are short and to the point.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Smith and Wesson Academy has reopened in Maryville, TN (just south of Knoxville) and does civilian as well as police firearms training.
Yet another historic company that Massachusetts politicos drove out of Springfield Mass where they had been for over 150 years.
Maryland drove out Beretta who is also now located in the Volunteer State of TN.
https://tinyurl.com/59pvhujh
She is a champion shooter, carries a Bodyguard and her tactics and advice really helpful. And she's fun to watch. Videos are short and to the point.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Smith and Wesson Academy has reopened in Maryville, TN (just south of Knoxville) and does civilian as well as police firearms training.
Yet another historic company that Massachusetts politicos drove out of Springfield Mass where they had been for over 150 years.
Maryland drove out Beretta who is also now located in the Volunteer State of TN.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:37 PM (E4rtv)
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52 43 Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:32 PM
Especially if they are "concealing" a Longhorn .22 revolver.
Yikes!!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:01 PM
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
=========
I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:32 PM
Especially if they are "concealing" a Longhorn .22 revolver.
Yikes!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:37 PM (g5tO/)
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I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:32 PM
One popular option is the codpiece revolver, which was accurately depicted in the cinematic masterpieces "Dusk 'till Dawn" and "Desperado".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TKHB2oPVE
Of course, most of us up-caliber from the one that was shown.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:32 PM
One popular option is the codpiece revolver, which was accurately depicted in the cinematic masterpieces "Dusk 'till Dawn" and "Desperado".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TKHB2oPVE
Of course, most of us up-caliber from the one that was shown.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (0sNs1)
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60 I don't even want to know where you guys conceal carry in such situations"
"Does this smell funny to you? "
Posted by: man
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Don't touch that holster, you don't know where it has been.
"Does this smell funny to you? "
Posted by: man
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Don't touch that holster, you don't know where it has been.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (E4rtv)
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And, I bet they looked. Really really looked. Knowing what I know about the military, when a "sensitive" item is lost or stolen, they go to great pains looking for it. Night vision goggles, weapons, you name it. Anything like that.
So a hydrogen weapon? Yeah, you don't want to report to your superior "Danged if I know where it is".
We were flying nights (naturally) in Macedonia, and somebody lost a box of ammunition attached to their air 60. It fell off, somewhere. I remember this distinctly because days off were a rarity, and they decided my day off was just dandy to fly around during the day scanning the ground, looking for a green ammo box of linked 7.62 on the ground at 1000 feet. Thanks a lot, assholes.
So a hydrogen weapon? Yeah, you don't want to report to your superior "Danged if I know where it is".
We were flying nights (naturally) in Macedonia, and somebody lost a box of ammunition attached to their air 60. It fell off, somewhere. I remember this distinctly because days off were a rarity, and they decided my day off was just dandy to fly around during the day scanning the ground, looking for a green ammo box of linked 7.62 on the ground at 1000 feet. Thanks a lot, assholes.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (H50PN)
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56 Also, happy to hear about you maybe not having to move.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM
Good luck with the new job!!
Hope to find out in the next few days if I do not have to move.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM
Good luck with the new job!!
Hope to find out in the next few days if I do not have to move.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (g5tO/)
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Especially if they are "concealing" a Longhorn .22 revolver.
Yikes!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
New meaning to gun cleaning. You have to add Lysol into the solvents.
Yikes!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
New meaning to gun cleaning. You have to add Lysol into the solvents.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (E4rtv)
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45 One of the "broken arrow" incidents was a bit hard to fathom, if I recall correctly 4 out of 5 failsafes had basically tripped or became inoperative, the only thing that kept this weapon from fully detonating (in a farm field in one of the Carolinas maybe) was an inexpensive, ordinary relay type switch, something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (H50PN)
There have been a shocking number of nukes dropped on the CONUS. The fact that none detonated (though one is still in Charleston harbor or Savannah) is a sign of divine grace.
Wendigoon had a video about it, I think the number was like 23 or something.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:30 PM (xcxpd)
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3.8 megaton firecracker near Goldsboro, NC in 1961. The BUFF was carrying two of them, the first landed with its parachute deployed and most of the safety fuses intact. The second one plunged straight in.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM (H50PN)
There have been a shocking number of nukes dropped on the CONUS. The fact that none detonated (though one is still in Charleston harbor or Savannah) is a sign of divine grace.
Wendigoon had a video about it, I think the number was like 23 or something.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:30 PM (xcxpd)
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3.8 megaton firecracker near Goldsboro, NC in 1961. The BUFF was carrying two of them, the first landed with its parachute deployed and most of the safety fuses intact. The second one plunged straight in.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 07:39 PM (rj6Yv)
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One popular option is the codpiece revolver, which was accurately depicted in the cinematic masterpieces "Dusk 'till Dawn" and "Desperado".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TKHB2oPVE
Of course, most of us up-caliber from the one that was shown.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Gives a new meaning to negligent discharge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TKHB2oPVE
Of course, most of us up-caliber from the one that was shown.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Gives a new meaning to negligent discharge.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:40 PM (E4rtv)
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PRO TIP: Move to where you don't need one.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (PVjNi)
PRO RESPONSE: I’m in one! NH! But all of New England/NY would fit in a corner of AK. And we have 7 states, most of which are gun-grabbing communist fiefdoms.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (PVjNi)
PRO RESPONSE: I’m in one! NH! But all of New England/NY would fit in a corner of AK. And we have 7 states, most of which are gun-grabbing communist fiefdoms.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:41 PM (30Gj0)
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Take that you boxer-wearing preverts!
Posted by: RI Red
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
"IWB or OWB?"
"Doesn't really matter....."
Posted by: RI Red
Dude. This is the Gun Thread. We are all commando here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Even pants are optional!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
"IWB or OWB?"
"Doesn't really matter....."
Posted by: mikeski at August 16, 2026 07:42 PM (VHUov)
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61 57 Hi weasel! Hi gun nutz!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (lyImQ)
Are gun nutz like truck nutz?
Posted by: tcn in AK
Heh. Those things dangling off a trailer hitch always crack me up.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:35 PM (lyImQ)
Are gun nutz like truck nutz?
Posted by: tcn in AK
Heh. Those things dangling off a trailer hitch always crack me up.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:42 PM (yEz+x)
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68 New meaning to gun cleaning. You have to add Lysol into the solvents.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM
They obviously were confused by what bore was being cleaned.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM
They obviously were confused by what bore was being cleaned.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:42 PM (g5tO/)
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Weasel,
Thanks for including the videos on disassembling the revolver and restoring that old pump rifle. I find such things interesting and helpful. I have disassembly/assembly books that cover most of my guns and they have saved my bacon a few times.
Thanks for including the videos on disassembling the revolver and restoring that old pump rifle. I find such things interesting and helpful. I have disassembly/assembly books that cover most of my guns and they have saved my bacon a few times.
Posted by: JTB at August 16, 2026 07:42 PM (yTvNw)
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One of the "broken arrow" incidents was a bit hard to fathom, if I recall correctly 4 out of 5 failsafes had basically tripped or became inoperative, the only thing that kept this weapon from fully detonating (in a farm field in one of the Carolinas maybe) was an inexpensive, ordinary relay type switch, something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM
See me, at 30.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:28 PM
See me, at 30.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:43 PM (5LIEJ)
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Sharon,
Be sure to check for S&W rebates right before you buy your gun.
I doubt they will run any for the Bodyguard 2.0 soon since it is selling so well, but it is always worth checking.
https://tinyurl.com/5uhea6ey
Be sure to check for S&W rebates right before you buy your gun.
I doubt they will run any for the Bodyguard 2.0 soon since it is selling so well, but it is always worth checking.
https://tinyurl.com/5uhea6ey
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 16, 2026 07:43 PM (HlyYF)
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Good luck with the new job!!
Hope to find out in the next few days if I do not have to move.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (g5tO/)
Thank you, and good luck, sir!
Hope to find out in the next few days if I do not have to move.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (g5tO/)
Thank you, and good luck, sir!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:44 PM (xVpNO)
79
One popular option is the codpiece revolver, which was accurately depicted in the cinematic masterpieces "Dusk 'till Dawn" and "Desperado".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TKHB2oPVE
Of course, most of us up-caliber from the one that was shown.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (0sNs1)
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A couple of questions come to mind...
Where's the trigger mechanism on that thing?
What's the recoil like? Especially with repeated firing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TKHB2oPVE
Of course, most of us up-caliber from the one that was shown.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:38 PM (0sNs1)
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A couple of questions come to mind...
Where's the trigger mechanism on that thing?
What's the recoil like? Especially with repeated firing?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 16, 2026 07:45 PM (FZ29D)
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Rhode Island?
Been to Prov. Rumford. Prudence Island and did the Block Island Race Week for two (or three) days that I have no recollection of.
Been to Prov. Rumford. Prudence Island and did the Block Island Race Week for two (or three) days that I have no recollection of.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:46 PM (yEz+x)
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See me, at 30.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:43 PM (5LIEJ)
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When I first read the account, I imagined being on the team, standing in the trench, that did the first inspection.
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"JC!"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:43 PM (5LIEJ)
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When I first read the account, I imagined being on the team, standing in the trench, that did the first inspection.
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"JC!"
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 07:48 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 07:48 PM (XuXeR)
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Rhode Island?
Been to Prov. Rumford. Prudence Island and did the Block Island Race Week for two (or three) days that I have no recollection of.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:46 PM (yEz+x)
Oooh. I remember you. Mount Gay rum.
Been to Prov. Rumford. Prudence Island and did the Block Island Race Week for two (or three) days that I have no recollection of.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 07:46 PM (yEz+x)
Oooh. I remember you. Mount Gay rum.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM (30Gj0)
84
Anyway, both the G21 and G30 are surprisingly pleasant guns to shoot, even at speed, despite being .45 ACP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM (xcxpd)
85
76 See me, at 30.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:43 PM
LOL!!! Buffy the Forehead Slayer!!!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:43 PM
LOL!!! Buffy the Forehead Slayer!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM (g5tO/)
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DH says if I lose 20 more pounds he will buy me a bra holster. I think I would prefer a thigh holster, but I don't always wear skirts, so I suppose it would make sense to carry where I can get to it. Duh.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM (PVjNi)
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When I first read the account, I imagined being on the team, standing in the trench, that did the first inspection.
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"JC!"
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 07:48 PM
As Brandon said, "now that is an "oh, f@#k moment."
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"Shit"
"JC!"
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 07:48 PM
As Brandon said, "now that is an "oh, f@#k moment."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM (5LIEJ)
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I find .45ACP to be very pleasant, a firm push rather than a snappy magnum recoil.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 16, 2026 07:50 PM (4NO2D)
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LOL!!! Buffy the Forehead Slayer!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM
I love that video. Never not funny.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM
I love that video. Never not funny.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 07:50 PM (5LIEJ)
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I did a few things gun related. Been practicing draws with various firearms around the house. Pretty much all end up pointing as they should with sights in alignment.
Painted a few old three dot sights with Glow Up--phosphorescent paint which under exposure to bright light for a few seconds, glows about ten minutes or so. Put night sights on a Smith M&P 9L and a new green light laser/500 lumen weapon light on an XD longslide. Uses magnetic charging.
Have a long 4.0 slide, recoil spring set, and barrel for my XD. That gives me the option on carry to either had the longer sight base for better shooting or the shorter one for better carry.
Often on some firearm makes, you can switch barrels and even slides so a 4 inch barrel and slide can become a longer 5 inch tactical model or vice versa. Only works for some makes as you have to do research into it. But you can have a 40 S&W that can also take a 9mm barrel, recoil spring, and magazine. Or even a 357 Sig Barrel and sometimes mag depending on the make.
One way of fitting one firearm into variety of roles. The unlamented Sig P250 allowed a lot of combos, the P320 is based on that design minus the hammer.
Painted a few old three dot sights with Glow Up--phosphorescent paint which under exposure to bright light for a few seconds, glows about ten minutes or so. Put night sights on a Smith M&P 9L and a new green light laser/500 lumen weapon light on an XD longslide. Uses magnetic charging.
Have a long 4.0 slide, recoil spring set, and barrel for my XD. That gives me the option on carry to either had the longer sight base for better shooting or the shorter one for better carry.
Often on some firearm makes, you can switch barrels and even slides so a 4 inch barrel and slide can become a longer 5 inch tactical model or vice versa. Only works for some makes as you have to do research into it. But you can have a 40 S&W that can also take a 9mm barrel, recoil spring, and magazine. Or even a 357 Sig Barrel and sometimes mag depending on the make.
One way of fitting one firearm into variety of roles. The unlamented Sig P250 allowed a lot of combos, the P320 is based on that design minus the hammer.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:50 PM (E4rtv)
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>>Been to Prov. Rumford. Prudence Island and did the Block Island Race Week for two (or three) days that I have no recollection of.
There is no Block Island. You are hallucinating. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Move along.
There is no Block Island. You are hallucinating. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Move along.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 07:50 PM (viF8m)
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Assless chaps have plenty of places to conceal things.
Posted by: Pawl at August 16, 2026 07:51 PM (MWfyi)
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DH says if I lose 20 more pounds he will buy me a bra holster.
My wife tried one of those with a Ruger LCP. She didn't stay with it. I guess it might be useful if you have no other good options.
My wife tried one of those with a Ruger LCP. She didn't stay with it. I guess it might be useful if you have no other good options.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 07:51 PM (vTZFs)
Posted by: Auspex at August 16, 2026 07:52 PM (Y8DZL)
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Apparently, it was actually seven (7) of eight (
safety interlocks failed on a 4 megaton bomb. Yeesh.
safety interlocks failed on a 4 megaton bomb. Yeesh.Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 07:53 PM (H50PN)
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84 Anyway, both the G21 and G30 are surprisingly pleasant guns to shoot, even at speed, despite being .45 ACP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
The G21 is a big framed Glock but I agree that the G30 is pretty pleasant to shoot versus other shorty 45s plus managed to carry 10 in the mag. Compared with the G21, I prefer the Springfield XD45 as the grip is thinner and capacity is about the same. G30 though for the compact 45. I think the thicker frame spreads the recoil better than a thin one by increasing surface area for recoil shock absorption.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
The G21 is a big framed Glock but I agree that the G30 is pretty pleasant to shoot versus other shorty 45s plus managed to carry 10 in the mag. Compared with the G21, I prefer the Springfield XD45 as the grip is thinner and capacity is about the same. G30 though for the compact 45. I think the thicker frame spreads the recoil better than a thin one by increasing surface area for recoil shock absorption.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 07:53 PM (E4rtv)
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The price the range gave me was $460. Because I want the 12 rd mag as well as the 10 rd, I need to buy it in VA. I've checked around and don't see it any cheaper and hardly anyone has any color other than black, most being out of stock. The range says they will order whatever one I want if they don't have it on the shelf.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 07:54 PM (kJmSS)
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Semi M14s and Trench Guns coming
More than 100,000 surplus M14 rifles once used by the U.S. military are expected to go on sale to the public beginning early next year through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
More than 100,000 surplus M14 rifles once used by the U.S. military are expected to go on sale to the public beginning early next year through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
Posted by: r hennigantx at August 16, 2026 07:54 PM (/+uur)
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88 I find .45ACP to be very pleasant, a firm push rather than a snappy magnum recoil.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 16, 2026 07:50 P
Same here. Love shooting my .45ACP more than my 9mm.
Only drawback, ammo capacity.
Posted by: toby928(c) at August 16, 2026 07:50 P
Same here. Love shooting my .45ACP more than my 9mm.
Only drawback, ammo capacity.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 07:54 PM (g5tO/)
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M14 is 7.62
there should be about a billion rounds
there should be about a billion rounds
Posted by: r hennigantx at August 16, 2026 07:55 PM (/+uur)
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But you can have a 40 S&W that can also take a 9mm barrel, recoil spring, and magazine. Or even a 357 Sig Barrel and sometimes mag depending on the make.
That would be the Glock 19, 23, 32. I started with the 32 in .357 Sig, then got 9 and 40 barrels.
Too bad the .357 Sig has waned.
That would be the Glock 19, 23, 32. I started with the 32 in .357 Sig, then got 9 and 40 barrels.
Too bad the .357 Sig has waned.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 07:55 PM (30Gj0)
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Are we talking about the gun law thing that happened last week?
Posted by: fd at August 16, 2026 07:55 PM (MWfyi)
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Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!
Glad to hear good news from Schnorf and potential good news for Scub. Best wishes to RMBS on the search.
Glad to hear good news from Schnorf and potential good news for Scub. Best wishes to RMBS on the search.
Posted by: TRex - concealed dino at August 16, 2026 07:56 PM (XfIK1)
Posted by: blaster at August 16, 2026 07:56 PM (NlEaG)
105
A couple of questions come to mind...
Where's the trigger mechanism on that thing?
What's the recoil like? Especially with repeated firing?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 16, 2026 07:45 PM
It's a hair trigger, of course.
Recoil management takes some training, very similar to the Shaolin monks' "Iron Crotch" training:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p8tI2Y50SHI
Where's the trigger mechanism on that thing?
What's the recoil like? Especially with repeated firing?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 16, 2026 07:45 PM
It's a hair trigger, of course.
Recoil management takes some training, very similar to the Shaolin monks' "Iron Crotch" training:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p8tI2Y50SHI
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM (0sNs1)
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Langdon Tactical sent out an email that they had been inform ed by a reliable source that "maybe" "perhaps" the Beretta PX4 Compact Carry 2 model production will be on "hiatus" soon. Within 48 hours, they were out of stock.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM (rj6Yv)
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94
Did a double pull on my son's Glock yesterday accidentally.
Provoked a argument about arms.
Posted by: Auspex
The wonder of it was that my FIL, his grandfather, would take the opposite side of any rational argument just to be a contrarian.
Did a double pull on my son's Glock yesterday accidentally.
Provoked a argument about arms.
Posted by: Auspex
The wonder of it was that my FIL, his grandfather, would take the opposite side of any rational argument just to be a contrarian.
Posted by: Auspex at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM (Y8DZL)
108
So I was on a navy base where they made weapons.
They took M14s and built a frame of aluminum that cradle the barrel in a titanium bed.
You could shoot until the firing mechanism burned up as the barrel was cooled.
They took M14s and built a frame of aluminum that cradle the barrel in a titanium bed.
You could shoot until the firing mechanism burned up as the barrel was cooled.
Posted by: r hennigantx at August 16, 2026 07:58 PM (/+uur)
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CMP also will have 1892 Winchester shootsguns
Posted by: r hennigantx at August 16, 2026 07:59 PM (/+uur)
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Glad to hear good news from Schnorf and potential good news for Scub. Best wishes to RMBS on the search.
Posted by: TRex - concealed dino at August 16, 2026 07:56 PM (XfIK1)
Thanks, O Apex Predator!
Posted by: TRex - concealed dino at August 16, 2026 07:56 PM (XfIK1)
Thanks, O Apex Predator!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 16, 2026 07:59 PM (xVpNO)
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DH says if I lose 20 more pounds he will buy me a bra holster. I think I would prefer a thigh holster, but I don't always wear skirts, so I suppose it would make sense to carry where I can get to it. Duh.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM
There are various 'belly band' holster rigs out there which can work quite well for women (and men, too )
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 16, 2026 07:49 PM
There are various 'belly band' holster rigs out there which can work quite well for women (and men, too
)Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:00 PM (0sNs1)
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88 I find .45ACP to be very pleasant, a firm push rather than a snappy magnum recoil.
Posted by: toby928(c)
Depends on gun size, I find 45 ACP unpleasant in firearms under 4 inch barrels. Decrease the size, weight, and frame, you can get fairly nasty felt recoil from something that you would think wouldn't be that bad aka the original PPK in 380 ACP, not the PPK/s which has a longer grip frame. Blowback operation, very thin and short grip, gives a pretty good recoil shock to the hand. Scandium snubbies are similar---very light weight, moderate power cartridge like 38+p, and if you don't get something recoil absorbing like Hogue grips, like whacking your hand with a steel ruler. In, 357 magnum so unpleasant that it didn't sell much at all for Smith.
Felt recoil is an interesting subject in an of itself because guns that you would think wouldn't be that bad, can be, and proper attention can make a hard recoiling firearm into one that is pleasant to fire. Stock design, grip design, frame, weight, cartridge pressure spike profile, proper fit, etc. can all change how a person firing it perceives the recoil.
Posted by: toby928(c)
Depends on gun size, I find 45 ACP unpleasant in firearms under 4 inch barrels. Decrease the size, weight, and frame, you can get fairly nasty felt recoil from something that you would think wouldn't be that bad aka the original PPK in 380 ACP, not the PPK/s which has a longer grip frame. Blowback operation, very thin and short grip, gives a pretty good recoil shock to the hand. Scandium snubbies are similar---very light weight, moderate power cartridge like 38+p, and if you don't get something recoil absorbing like Hogue grips, like whacking your hand with a steel ruler. In, 357 magnum so unpleasant that it didn't sell much at all for Smith.
Felt recoil is an interesting subject in an of itself because guns that you would think wouldn't be that bad, can be, and proper attention can make a hard recoiling firearm into one that is pleasant to fire. Stock design, grip design, frame, weight, cartridge pressure spike profile, proper fit, etc. can all change how a person firing it perceives the recoil.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:00 PM (E4rtv)
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his grandfather, would take the opposite side of any rational argument just to be a contrarian.
Posted by: Auspex at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM
I do not !!!!
Posted by: Auspex at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM
I do not !!!!
Posted by: Grandfather at August 16, 2026 08:02 PM (0sNs1)
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91 There is no Block Island. You are hallucinating. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Move along.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 07:50 PM
Hmmmm, something makes me think JS resides in Cluster Atoll
Move along.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 07:50 PM
Hmmmm, something makes me think JS resides in Cluster Atoll
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM (g5tO/)
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This is the holster Lena uses in that video I posted above can be worn with anything even sweat pants. It is expensive, about $150 but if you only need to own one, seems like a good buy.
https://www.phlsterholsters.com/phlster-enigma
https://www.phlsterholsters.com/phlster-enigma
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM (kJmSS)
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Are we talking about the gun law thing that happened last week?
I'm interested to hear what people think. (Looking at you, whig.) On a bigger scale, 20 years ago, did anyone really think we'd be where we are today? As much as we bitch on them for other things, we owe a lot to Bush I for Thomas, Bush II for Alito, and Trump for Gorsuch and Kav.
I'm interested to hear what people think. (Looking at you, whig.) On a bigger scale, 20 years ago, did anyone really think we'd be where we are today? As much as we bitch on them for other things, we owe a lot to Bush I for Thomas, Bush II for Alito, and Trump for Gorsuch and Kav.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM (vTZFs)
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106 Langdon Tactical sent out an email that they had been inform ed by a reliable source that "maybe" "perhaps" the Beretta PX4 Compact Carry 2 model production will be on "hiatus" soon. Within 48 hours, they were out of stock.
Posted by: mrp
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Not surprised. I have one, not the Langdon upscaled version but with match hammer/parts installed. The recoil impulse is 'different' as it has a unique rotating barrel locking system that eats up some of the recoil. So a 40 S&W feels like a 9mm. But, most of them were in traditional DA/SA, you can convert them to decocker only DA/SA, and a very few were made in DAO only.
The larger 45 ACP version is scarce on the ground too.
DA/SA is one of those firearm operating systems that you have to master two different trigger strokes--I learned on a Sig P225 first and later the Beretta 92 in the service. Long pull on the first shot, short and pleasant on subsequent.
If you buy this type of firearm for self defense, you need to shoot it regularly as it requires perfection to get a first hit and then you have to mentally adjust that your next trigger pull is going to be a lot less and usually shorter.
Posted by: mrp
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Not surprised. I have one, not the Langdon upscaled version but with match hammer/parts installed. The recoil impulse is 'different' as it has a unique rotating barrel locking system that eats up some of the recoil. So a 40 S&W feels like a 9mm. But, most of them were in traditional DA/SA, you can convert them to decocker only DA/SA, and a very few were made in DAO only.
The larger 45 ACP version is scarce on the ground too.
DA/SA is one of those firearm operating systems that you have to master two different trigger strokes--I learned on a Sig P225 first and later the Beretta 92 in the service. Long pull on the first shot, short and pleasant on subsequent.
If you buy this type of firearm for self defense, you need to shoot it regularly as it requires perfection to get a first hit and then you have to mentally adjust that your next trigger pull is going to be a lot less and usually shorter.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:06 PM (E4rtv)
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Felt recoil is an interesting subject in an of itself because guns that you would think wouldn't be that bad, can be, and proper attention can make a hard recoiling firearm into one that is pleasant to fire. Stock design, grip design, frame, weight, cartridge pressure spike profile, proper fit, etc. can all change how a person firing it perceives the recoil.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:00 PM (E4rtv)
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I've owned a Star PD and a Colt Officer's .45ACP and I concur. The Star PD had an aluminum alloy frame and a steel slide. It was pretty light, with something like a 3.5" barrel. The manual said to only load standard pressure ammo. The barrel flip was impressive.
The Colt was a heavy little beast. Nice and bright SS finish. I sold that one, too. Too heavy, and the recoil was stout.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:00 PM (E4rtv)
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I've owned a Star PD and a Colt Officer's .45ACP and I concur. The Star PD had an aluminum alloy frame and a steel slide. It was pretty light, with something like a 3.5" barrel. The manual said to only load standard pressure ammo. The barrel flip was impressive.
The Colt was a heavy little beast. Nice and bright SS finish. I sold that one, too. Too heavy, and the recoil was stout.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:07 PM (rj6Yv)
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116 Are we talking about the gun law thing that happened last week?
I'm interested to hear what people think. (Looking at you, whig.) On a bigger scale, 20 years ago, did anyone really think we'd be where we are today? As much as we bitch on them for other things, we owe a lot to Bush I for Thomas, Bush II for Alito, and Trump for Gorsuch and Kav.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM
What happened last week will not help me at all. I am in NYC.
NYC and Hochul will do everything possible to delay the citizens from practicing their natural rights.
I am leaving in a year for a Free State so I am just waiting until then.
I'm interested to hear what people think. (Looking at you, whig.) On a bigger scale, 20 years ago, did anyone really think we'd be where we are today? As much as we bitch on them for other things, we owe a lot to Bush I for Thomas, Bush II for Alito, and Trump for Gorsuch and Kav.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM
What happened last week will not help me at all. I am in NYC.
NYC and Hochul will do everything possible to delay the citizens from practicing their natural rights.
I am leaving in a year for a Free State so I am just waiting until then.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 08:07 PM (g5tO/)
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Posted by: JTB at August 16, 2026 07:42 PM (yTvNw)
JTB, I had to excuse myself from the hobby thread before I had a chance to ask you. Did you do your own 4x5 processing and printing?
JTB, I had to excuse myself from the hobby thread before I had a chance to ask you. Did you do your own 4x5 processing and printing?
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:08 PM (vTZFs)
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Was it Jeff Cooper who said "DA/SA is a solution looking for a problem."?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:09 PM (0sNs1)
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97 The price the range gave me was $460. Because I want the 12 rd mag as well as the 10 rd, I need to buy it in VA. I've checked around and don't see it any cheaper and hardly anyone has any color other than black, most being out of stock. The range says they will order whatever one I want if they don't have it on the shelf.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 07:54 PM
My favorite guy here has two black ones in stock (w/ thumb safety) and the two mags for $397.
He does sell to lots of lady shooters and stocks lots of "pretty" guns. When I checked right now, he has a S&W 380 EZ in Orchid color in stock.
Want me to find you in an AOS comments section if he gets in a nice 2.0 in a good color?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 07:54 PM
My favorite guy here has two black ones in stock (w/ thumb safety) and the two mags for $397.
He does sell to lots of lady shooters and stocks lots of "pretty" guns. When I checked right now, he has a S&W 380 EZ in Orchid color in stock.
Want me to find you in an AOS comments section if he gets in a nice 2.0 in a good color?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 16, 2026 08:09 PM (HlyYF)
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I haven't rushed out to buy anything but probably will.
Posted by: fd at August 16, 2026 08:09 PM (MWfyi)
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https://www.phlsterholsters.com/phlster-enigma
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM
These are well-regarded on various forums.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:04 PM
These are well-regarded on various forums.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:10 PM (0sNs1)
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116 Are we talking about the gun law thing that happened last week?
I'm interested to hear what people think. (Looking at you, whig.) On a bigger scale, 20 years ago, did anyone really think we'd be where we are today? As much as we bitch on them for other things, we owe a lot to Bush I for Thomas, Bush II for Alito, and Trump for Gorsuch and Kav.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Things have changed and part of that has been the gun rights lobby, part of it has been teh older Fudd GOP types that surrendered on gun rights got primaried or retired out, and the last part has been a sequence of terrorism, criminals running free in cities and blue areas, BLM crapola/riots, and the inability nowadays for the media to hide all the mayhem.
People on the right learned that none of what the Dems said was true about restrictions, saw that the Dems let criminals run free while ganging up and attacking those trying to defend their own life, and seeing reality of how the world is.
That has led to grudging stalemate on gun control with the pro gun forces moving ahead in red states to push it to constitutional carry. Blue states are regressing and Scotus is dithering and should smack blue states.
I'm interested to hear what people think. (Looking at you, whig.) On a bigger scale, 20 years ago, did anyone really think we'd be where we are today? As much as we bitch on them for other things, we owe a lot to Bush I for Thomas, Bush II for Alito, and Trump for Gorsuch and Kav.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Things have changed and part of that has been the gun rights lobby, part of it has been teh older Fudd GOP types that surrendered on gun rights got primaried or retired out, and the last part has been a sequence of terrorism, criminals running free in cities and blue areas, BLM crapola/riots, and the inability nowadays for the media to hide all the mayhem.
People on the right learned that none of what the Dems said was true about restrictions, saw that the Dems let criminals run free while ganging up and attacking those trying to defend their own life, and seeing reality of how the world is.
That has led to grudging stalemate on gun control with the pro gun forces moving ahead in red states to push it to constitutional carry. Blue states are regressing and Scotus is dithering and should smack blue states.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:10 PM (E4rtv)
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Was it Jeff Cooper who said "DA/SA is a solution looking for a problem."?
The good colonel said a lot of stuff, often framing his opinions as objective fact. In this case though, I agree.
The good colonel said a lot of stuff, often framing his opinions as objective fact. In this case though, I agree.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:11 PM (vTZFs)
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>>Hmmmm, something makes me think JS resides in Cluster Atoll
As Mr. Whitey Tighty knows, my town was a sub catching base in WWII. One of our smaller islands was a German POW camp.
Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
As Mr. Whitey Tighty knows, my town was a sub catching base in WWII. One of our smaller islands was a German POW camp.
Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM (viF8m)
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To continue, in 1960, a substantial majority of Americans supported banning handguns and this is despite a much lower crime rate and JFK's assassination had not happened yet. The assassinations in the 60's and early 70's, the race riots in the 60's and 70's, Kent State, etc. all put 2A advocates in a hole but since then, the situation has reversed--gun control has proven to be a myth, violence has spread and become more random, and we no longer trust our authorities to not try to ban them if we give them an inch.
The political times have changed and the Court led from behind--there had already been a lot of movement in states well before the AWB expired and the Heller decision occurred.
The political times have changed and the Court led from behind--there had already been a lot of movement in states well before the AWB expired and the Heller decision occurred.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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OK, on carry positions....
He doesn't mention the issue of drawing while seated with appendix carry. I really don't see how it's even done unless you're built funny. When seated, you've folded your body so the gun is horizontal, and your upper body is vertical and makes a wall where the top of your gun is. I just don't see any advantage to it over side carry.
Carry in a car is a problem with side carry - IF you're right-handed, carrying strong side. Or, IF you're left-handed carrying strong side as a passenger. And that's entirely because of the seat belt. Safety, my nanny's fanny - that belt is a menace. Particularly the buckle. So is the bucket seat concept (mainly with air bags), where the seat comes up around your hips to engulf you - no other place you sit really does that.
Glad he mentioned the fundamental problem with "off-body" carry - that it's off your body and that means it isn't secured at all times. TBC...
He doesn't mention the issue of drawing while seated with appendix carry. I really don't see how it's even done unless you're built funny. When seated, you've folded your body so the gun is horizontal, and your upper body is vertical and makes a wall where the top of your gun is. I just don't see any advantage to it over side carry.
Carry in a car is a problem with side carry - IF you're right-handed, carrying strong side. Or, IF you're left-handed carrying strong side as a passenger. And that's entirely because of the seat belt. Safety, my nanny's fanny - that belt is a menace. Particularly the buckle. So is the bucket seat concept (mainly with air bags), where the seat comes up around your hips to engulf you - no other place you sit really does that.
Glad he mentioned the fundamental problem with "off-body" carry - that it's off your body and that means it isn't secured at all times. TBC...
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:15 PM (kU0PQ)
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DA/SA is one of those firearm operating systems that you have to master two different trigger strokes--I learned on a Sig P225 first and later the Beretta 92 in the service. Long pull on the first shot, short and pleasant on subsequent.
If you buy this type of firearm for self defense, you need to shoot it regularly as it requires perfection to get a first hit and then you have to mentally adjust that your next trigger pull is going to be a lot less and usually shorter.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:06 PM (E4rtv)
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I loved my Beretta 92FS. Probably put 25K through it (at least). Only four malfuntions, 3 of them were reloaded ammo-related and the fourth was a light primer strike.
The PX4 Storm GS-D Storm (full-size) shoots even better. I've only put about 1K through it. Yeah, the rotary barrel system is nice, minimal flip, and it fits better in my left hand. It's also shorter and lighter, too. The GS-D is the big change, no more safety only option, so that's taken some adjustment.
If you buy this type of firearm for self defense, you need to shoot it regularly as it requires perfection to get a first hit and then you have to mentally adjust that your next trigger pull is going to be a lot less and usually shorter.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:06 PM (E4rtv)
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I loved my Beretta 92FS. Probably put 25K through it (at least). Only four malfuntions, 3 of them were reloaded ammo-related and the fourth was a light primer strike.
The PX4 Storm GS-D Storm (full-size) shoots even better. I've only put about 1K through it. Yeah, the rotary barrel system is nice, minimal flip, and it fits better in my left hand. It's also shorter and lighter, too. The GS-D is the big change, no more safety only option, so that's taken some adjustment.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:15 PM (rj6Yv)
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older Fudd GOP types that surrendered on gun rights got primaried or retired out,"
SBR = scary black rifle...
SBR = scary black rifle...
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 08:16 PM (XuXeR)
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127 Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM
The captain of the dive boat took me inside the U-853. I could not wait to get out as you can still see the bones of the crew.
I do not like disturbing the resting place of sailors, even if they were our enemy at the time.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM
The captain of the dive boat took me inside the U-853. I could not wait to get out as you can still see the bones of the crew.
I do not like disturbing the resting place of sailors, even if they were our enemy at the time.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 08:18 PM (g5tO/)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by boom bang kapow at August 16, 2026 08:18 PM (sAmhv)
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I haven't rushed out to buy anything but probably will.
If by "anything," you mean a suppressor, SBR, or SBS, it may be wise to wait a few weeks. At this point, nobody seems to know "exactly what the facts is" (h/t Steve Miller). I admire what Brandon Herrera did but I don't have his resources if things get weird(er).
If by "anything," you mean a suppressor, SBR, or SBS, it may be wise to wait a few weeks. At this point, nobody seems to know "exactly what the facts is" (h/t Steve Miller). I admire what Brandon Herrera did but I don't have his resources if things get weird(er).
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:18 PM (vTZFs)
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The political times have changed and the Court led from behind--there had already been a lot of movement in states well before the AWB expired and the Heller decision occurred.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Amazing how the same cities and states that are so hot to ban citizens from owning firearms are the same ones that are now electing DAs and AGs that are hot for defunding police forces.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Amazing how the same cities and states that are so hot to ban citizens from owning firearms are the same ones that are now electing DAs and AGs that are hot for defunding police forces.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:19 PM (rj6Yv)
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Really, horde? ctrl-f, just about zero talk of the injunction on enforcement of half the NFA? In the gun thread?
Been a few days now, cans are flying off the shelves in about half the states with no form 4's - cash and carry- and people are slapping together their own cans, sbr's, and sbs's like mad.
ATF still has zero guidance on wtf is going on other than scattered reports of IOI's and regional offices saying not to sell stuff. Majority of FFLs are sitting this out but those that are not are moving massive amounts of suppressors.
Overall this probably will have less impact than the 2004 awb sunset that blew up ownership of ARs, but it seems like it may be the biggest court win in 2A history so far, even if it's not a 2A ruling.
Been a few days now, cans are flying off the shelves in about half the states with no form 4's - cash and carry- and people are slapping together their own cans, sbr's, and sbs's like mad.
ATF still has zero guidance on wtf is going on other than scattered reports of IOI's and regional offices saying not to sell stuff. Majority of FFLs are sitting this out but those that are not are moving massive amounts of suppressors.
Overall this probably will have less impact than the 2004 awb sunset that blew up ownership of ARs, but it seems like it may be the biggest court win in 2A history so far, even if it's not a 2A ruling.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 08:19 PM (23NNO)
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Diogenes:
The San Cristobel Nicaragua with the Habana leaf wrapper is an excellent cigar and one I would heartily endorse. Never had the Revelation, but I appreciate the warning, as life's to short to waste on midrange cigars. For what you paid, an Alec Bradley Tempus would have delivered a far better experience...
The San Cristobel Nicaragua with the Habana leaf wrapper is an excellent cigar and one I would heartily endorse. Never had the Revelation, but I appreciate the warning, as life's to short to waste on midrange cigars. For what you paid, an Alec Bradley Tempus would have delivered a far better experience...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 16, 2026 08:20 PM (nbLIj)
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A cross-draw holster is a good option for righties when driving.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:20 PM (0sNs1)
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Here's my main problem with concealed carry and driving...
I have a few solutions I've given a look at for carrying while driving. And the common theme is I need to take out my gun and transfer it somewhere other than any of the carry options that make sense while NOT driving.
But I've looked at putting a holster on the seat belt (the part that crosses the waist, pointing outward, not the angled part across the chest). And I've looked at fixing some kind of holster to the console/dashboard. And I've looked at a holster on the front of the seat between my legs. They all are decent options if you can make them fixed enough to easily holster and easily draw the weapon.
But they all require I administratively handle my gun when I enter/exit my vehicle. That means possibly exposing the weapon to passersby - which defeats the concept of concealed carry.
I have a few solutions I've given a look at for carrying while driving. And the common theme is I need to take out my gun and transfer it somewhere other than any of the carry options that make sense while NOT driving.
But I've looked at putting a holster on the seat belt (the part that crosses the waist, pointing outward, not the angled part across the chest). And I've looked at fixing some kind of holster to the console/dashboard. And I've looked at a holster on the front of the seat between my legs. They all are decent options if you can make them fixed enough to easily holster and easily draw the weapon.
But they all require I administratively handle my gun when I enter/exit my vehicle. That means possibly exposing the weapon to passersby - which defeats the concept of concealed carry.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:20 PM (kU0PQ)
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Weasel's loafing on us this evening, counting on us to be well-behaved, isn't he?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM (0sNs1)
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As Mr. Whitey Tighty knows, my town was a sub catching base in WWII. One of our smaller islands was a German POW camp.
Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM (viF8m)
Never heard of it.
Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM (viF8m)
Never heard of it.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM (LMRVO)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax
Yep. The PPK was ironically the firearm that popularized it and then the Walter P1/P38 brought it to wider audiences. Smith and Wesson adopted the DA/SA for its iconic 1st Generation through 3rd Generation firearms. Sig, being a good German and Swiss company also brought it to American gun buyers. But then gun trainers brought it to the attention of police departments and gun buyers that it was much more difficult to teach a double action/single action different trigger strokes and accuracy suffered.
The Glock Safe Action was labeled by the ATF as double action and then the race was on. Ruger, a late competitor to Wonder Nines, started with DA/SA and Smith started making DAO which have one trigger pull but heavier to try to catch up. Sig introduced its DAK which is similar to DAO but all three companies lost business to Glock over the training issue for police.
Cooper ran a premier gun training facility and saw good students paying money struggling with either the first shot or the second affecting overall accuracy on the most critical shots. That is where he was coming from.
Yep. The PPK was ironically the firearm that popularized it and then the Walter P1/P38 brought it to wider audiences. Smith and Wesson adopted the DA/SA for its iconic 1st Generation through 3rd Generation firearms. Sig, being a good German and Swiss company also brought it to American gun buyers. But then gun trainers brought it to the attention of police departments and gun buyers that it was much more difficult to teach a double action/single action different trigger strokes and accuracy suffered.
The Glock Safe Action was labeled by the ATF as double action and then the race was on. Ruger, a late competitor to Wonder Nines, started with DA/SA and Smith started making DAO which have one trigger pull but heavier to try to catch up. Sig introduced its DAK which is similar to DAO but all three companies lost business to Glock over the training issue for police.
Cooper ran a premier gun training facility and saw good students paying money struggling with either the first shot or the second affecting overall accuracy on the most critical shots. That is where he was coming from.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM (E4rtv)
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PI, where is he located?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM (kJmSS)
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I'm sort of surprised the 2nd amendment wasn't amended. Democrats held Congress in varying degrees of completeness from the 1930s thru about 1990? And several Democrats. Maybe getting 2/3rds state ratification would have been a stretch.
But I do think the political will was possible overall, during some of that time. The nation was much more homogenous politically and culturally. Now? Fuggedabout it. Never, ever, ever ever ever give up your guns.
But I do think the political will was possible overall, during some of that time. The nation was much more homogenous politically and culturally. Now? Fuggedabout it. Never, ever, ever ever ever give up your guns.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 08:23 PM (H50PN)
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Weasel's loafing on us this evening, counting on us to be well-behaved, isn't he?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM (0sNs1)
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No.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM (0sNs1)
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No.
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:23 PM (9ec/N)
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As Mr. Whitey Tighty knows, my town was a sub catching base in WWII. One of our smaller islands was a German POW camp.
Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM (viF8m)
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I'm guessing Nazi gold was looted decades ago...
Everyone here knows about U-853. Popular dive spot now.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:13 PM (viF8m)
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I'm guessing Nazi gold was looted decades ago...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 16, 2026 08:23 PM (FZ29D)
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Good evening to everyone of the GunHorde
And as always a sincere thank you to Weasel!
Moar revolver stuff! Yay!
And as always a sincere thank you to Weasel!
Moar revolver stuff! Yay!
Posted by: Coelacanth at August 16, 2026 08:23 PM (+OnsA)
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Weasel's loafing on us this evening, counting on us to be well-behaved, isn't he?
That's what he wants you to think.
That's what he wants you to think.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 08:24 PM (vTZFs)
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Smith and Wesson Academy has reopened in Maryville, TN (just south of Knoxville) and does civilian as well as police firearms training.
Yet another historic company that Massachusetts politicos drove out of Springfield Mass where they had been for over 150 years.
Maryland drove out Beretta who is also now located in the Volunteer State of TN.
Posted by: whig
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Yes Sir, S&W will be a mere 8 miles from the new Casa Rex (new name pending a vote)....
Yet another historic company that Massachusetts politicos drove out of Springfield Mass where they had been for over 150 years.
Maryland drove out Beretta who is also now located in the Volunteer State of TN.
Posted by: whig
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Yes Sir, S&W will be a mere 8 miles from the new Casa Rex (new name pending a vote)....
Posted by: The Grateful - R at August 16, 2026 08:24 PM (XfIK1)
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>>I do not like disturbing the resting place of sailors, even if they were our enemy at the time.
Years ago, some idiot diver brought a German corpse to the surface. His body was buried in Newport with full military honors.
The dead have paid their dues in this world.
On to happier topics.
Years ago, some idiot diver brought a German corpse to the surface. His body was buried in Newport with full military honors.
The dead have paid their dues in this world.
On to happier topics.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:24 PM (viF8m)
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The one he doesn't address is shoulder carry. Which has the advantage of being almost always accessible, even while driving. Of course, you will have to untangle whatever cover garment you're wearing from the belt, but I end up doing that anyway just to keep me feeling like I have free movement. (There are times I uncover my side-carried pistol from the over-garment when seated and belted into the car; the console blocks it from view, but it's one less thing with which I will be fumbling if I need to get to the piece.)
Fin
Fin
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:24 PM (kU0PQ)
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FFL.transfer of sbr/sbs is in limbo due to additional requirements in the 68 GCA; "approval of the AG" for transfer, which the form 4 covers.
Otherwise the ATF is clearly blocked from enforcing NFA requirements on plaintiffs rolling their own, and for some plaintiffs that includes the marking requirements.
For cans, I would not be shocked if 50-100k of them are sold sans form 4 before monday AM. People are buying 3-5 at a time.
Otherwise the ATF is clearly blocked from enforcing NFA requirements on plaintiffs rolling their own, and for some plaintiffs that includes the marking requirements.
For cans, I would not be shocked if 50-100k of them are sold sans form 4 before monday AM. People are buying 3-5 at a time.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 08:24 PM (23NNO)
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:26 PM (kU0PQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2026 08:26 PM (viF8m)
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139 Here's my main problem with concealed carry and driving...
I have a few solutions I've given a look at for carrying while driving. And the common theme is I need to take out my gun and transfer it somewhere other than any of the carry options that make sense while NOT driving.
But I've looked at putting a holster on the seat belt (the part that crosses the waist, pointing outward, not the angled part across the chest). And I've looked at fixing some kind of holster to the console/dashboard. And I've looked at a holster on the front of the seat between my legs. They all are decent options if you can make them fixed enough to easily holster and easily draw the weapon.
But they all require I administratively handle my gun when I enter/exit my vehicle. That means possibly exposing the weapon to passersby - which defeats the concept of concealed carry.
Posted by: GWB
Shoulder holster with a jacket or an ankle holster. Both have drawbacks. But appendix or strong side don't work when driving. The appendix carry wedges making draw difficult, the strong side buries the firearm into the back and don't even think about SOB aka small of back holsters in such situations. Crash risk
I have a few solutions I've given a look at for carrying while driving. And the common theme is I need to take out my gun and transfer it somewhere other than any of the carry options that make sense while NOT driving.
But I've looked at putting a holster on the seat belt (the part that crosses the waist, pointing outward, not the angled part across the chest). And I've looked at fixing some kind of holster to the console/dashboard. And I've looked at a holster on the front of the seat between my legs. They all are decent options if you can make them fixed enough to easily holster and easily draw the weapon.
But they all require I administratively handle my gun when I enter/exit my vehicle. That means possibly exposing the weapon to passersby - which defeats the concept of concealed carry.
Posted by: GWB
Shoulder holster with a jacket or an ankle holster. Both have drawbacks. But appendix or strong side don't work when driving. The appendix carry wedges making draw difficult, the strong side buries the firearm into the back and don't even think about SOB aka small of back holsters in such situations. Crash risk
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:26 PM (E4rtv)
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120 ... "JTB, I had to excuse myself from the hobby thread before I had a chance to ask you. Did you do your own 4x5 processing and printing?"
Oddbob,
I did my own. I didn't have a darkroom so I used a JOBO setup and a changing bag to process the film and just worked in the dark when printing. Used it for everything from 35mm photo and slides to medium and large format film. I should see if the JOBO and printer still work. It was a long time ago. The JOBO was handy since color film needed specific temperatures and it had a heater element. B and W film was more forgiving.
Oddbob,
I did my own. I didn't have a darkroom so I used a JOBO setup and a changing bag to process the film and just worked in the dark when printing. Used it for everything from 35mm photo and slides to medium and large format film. I should see if the JOBO and printer still work. It was a long time ago. The JOBO was handy since color film needed specific temperatures and it had a heater element. B and W film was more forgiving.
Posted by: JTB at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM (yTvNw)
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Ok. Think about it.
If you are aware of your surroundings in your car, you will have plenty of time to either get out of trouble by driving over or through to opposing party, or retrieve your cocked and locked 1911 out of the console.
There is no way a waistband holstered weapon will be comfortable and accessible while seated in a car!
If you are aware of your surroundings in your car, you will have plenty of time to either get out of trouble by driving over or through to opposing party, or retrieve your cocked and locked 1911 out of the console.
There is no way a waistband holstered weapon will be comfortable and accessible while seated in a car!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM (yEz+x)
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Yes Sir, S&W will be a mere 8 miles from the new Casa Rex (new name pending a vote)....
Posted by: The Grateful - R
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The Hills are Alive, with the sound of Gunfire.
Sound of Music beginning redone with Julie Andrews and Machine Guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmFgAMTEg0E
Posted by: The Grateful - R
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The Hills are Alive, with the sound of Gunfire.
Sound of Music beginning redone with Julie Andrews and Machine Guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmFgAMTEg0E
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:28 PM (E4rtv)
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There is no way a waistband holstered weapon will be comfortable and accessible while seated in a car!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM
Don't forget me!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM
Don't forget me!
Posted by: Ankle Holster at August 16, 2026 08:28 PM (0sNs1)
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And, for ammo, I will make the pitch, again, for AmmoSquared.
It is a good way, IMO, to dollar-cost-average your ammo over a long term. It's shipped when you want. It's not probably for precision ammo, but it's good for range ammo and might work for some slightly less easy-to-find ammo. Though they don't have every kind of ammo all the time.
You allocate your funds across the different kinds of ammo you want to buy.
And, when you're in a tight spot (like I have been) you can suspend your orders until you can get back into it.
It is a good way, IMO, to dollar-cost-average your ammo over a long term. It's shipped when you want. It's not probably for precision ammo, but it's good for range ammo and might work for some slightly less easy-to-find ammo. Though they don't have every kind of ammo all the time.
You allocate your funds across the different kinds of ammo you want to buy.
And, when you're in a tight spot (like I have been) you can suspend your orders until you can get back into it.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:30 PM (kU0PQ)
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Have a good night everyone!!
Practice the FUNdamentals and beware of wayward nukes!
Thanks Weasel!!
Practice the FUNdamentals and beware of wayward nukes!
Thanks Weasel!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 08:31 PM (g5tO/)
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:32 PM (Gy7+y)
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Hm, would remotely fired barrels, boresight aimed, be legal to install on your car or truck? Sort of like twin .50s on WWII aircraft, you know. Would solve those pesky "administrative" issues during ingress and egress.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 08:32 PM (H50PN)
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143 PI, where is he located?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM
In my town.
I will try to contact you directly via email. It failed on my end when I tried to go through your nic.
Will try again tomorrow.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:22 PM
In my town.
I will try to contact you directly via email. It failed on my end when I tried to go through your nic.
Will try again tomorrow.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 16, 2026 08:32 PM (HlyYF)
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"139 Here's my main problem with concealed carry and driving...
I have a few solutions I've given a look at for carrying while driving. And the common theme is I need to take out my gun and transfer it somewhere other than any of the carry options that make sense while NOT driving. ....
.....But they all require I administratively handle my gun when I enter/exit my vehicle. That means possibly exposing the weapon to passersby - which defeats the concept of concealed carry.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:20 PM (kU0PQ) "
Nah man, don't overcomplicate this. Get in car, belt in. Unbelt, get out. No carry option worth a damn isn't accessible seated in a car. I have carried for decades, including years for work both in uniform and plainclothes, and have literally never transferred a pistol to another holster in a car. I have never *seen* anyone do such for work or ccw, except for goofy ads for car holsters (most of which will not secure a pistol adequately in an accident). Never seen instructors say to do it, either. I have drawn pistols in anger in vehicles on several occasions, including at work, both from duty holsters and IWB/OWB concealed.
I have a few solutions I've given a look at for carrying while driving. And the common theme is I need to take out my gun and transfer it somewhere other than any of the carry options that make sense while NOT driving. ....
.....But they all require I administratively handle my gun when I enter/exit my vehicle. That means possibly exposing the weapon to passersby - which defeats the concept of concealed carry.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 08:20 PM (kU0PQ) "
Nah man, don't overcomplicate this. Get in car, belt in. Unbelt, get out. No carry option worth a damn isn't accessible seated in a car. I have carried for decades, including years for work both in uniform and plainclothes, and have literally never transferred a pistol to another holster in a car. I have never *seen* anyone do such for work or ccw, except for goofy ads for car holsters (most of which will not secure a pistol adequately in an accident). Never seen instructors say to do it, either. I have drawn pistols in anger in vehicles on several occasions, including at work, both from duty holsters and IWB/OWB concealed.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 08:34 PM (23NNO)
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Depending your build and whether you are right handed, a belt cross draw can work as there is usually a gap between the car door and the car seat and you can wear a loose shirt like a hawaiian shirt for cover. Another unorthodox carry method is pants that have an internal holster accessed through a velcro slit in them or cargo pockets. All of which require cross draw technique as does shoulder holster carry.
You can draw from the weak side with a shoulder holster though--use a calvary draw technique. Has to be practiced as all holster carry does.
A Sneaky Pete holster can work too for this carry without the need to conceal--these are designed to look like cell phone, beeper, or even 1st aid kit holders and a small concealed weapon can be carried in it.
You can draw from the weak side with a shoulder holster though--use a calvary draw technique. Has to be practiced as all holster carry does.
A Sneaky Pete holster can work too for this carry without the need to conceal--these are designed to look like cell phone, beeper, or even 1st aid kit holders and a small concealed weapon can be carried in it.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:34 PM (E4rtv)
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Not one mention that a week ago a federal judge ruled that the National Firearms Act of 1934 has been declared unconstitutional for short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, and suppressors ?!?!?
And that the federal government has decided not to appeal that decision ?!?!?
And that the federal government has decided not to appeal that decision ?!?!?
Posted by: JohnF at August 16, 2026 08:35 PM (BcFkN)
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Hm, would remotely fired barrels, boresight aimed, be legal to install on your car or truck? Sort of like twin .50s on WWII aircraft, you know. Would solve those pesky "administrative" issues during ingress and egress.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 08:32 PM (H50PN)
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I think I saw something like that installed in an Aston Martin. It was in a movie titled "Gold" something.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 08:32 PM (H50PN)
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I think I saw something like that installed in an Aston Martin. It was in a movie titled "Gold" something.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:35 PM (rj6Yv)
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And, when you're in a tight spot (like I have been) you can suspend your orders until you can get back into it.
Posted by: GWB
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Smart idea for that company. And thanks for sharing.
Posted by: GWB
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Smart idea for that company. And thanks for sharing.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:36 PM (E4rtv)
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I’m in a wait and see mode on the suppressor decision. Right now it applies to a very specific set of sellers and buyers, and even if you are a member of the class (e.g., GOA or NRA members), you still have to look to your state law.
I’m in the fortunate position of having gone through the old process, so there’s no need for me to rush out and buy.
But this is still huge, especially since the DOJ didn’t appeal. Only a USDC decision, but according to the left, one USDC injunction applies to the whole country.
I’m in the fortunate position of having gone through the old process, so there’s no need for me to rush out and buy.
But this is still huge, especially since the DOJ didn’t appeal. Only a USDC decision, but according to the left, one USDC injunction applies to the whole country.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 08:38 PM (LMRVO)
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"157 Ok. Think about it.
If you are aware of your surroundings in your car, you will have plenty of time to either get out of trouble by driving over or through to opposing party, or retrieve your cocked and locked 1911 out of the console.
There is no way a waistband holstered weapon will be comfortable and accessible while seated in a car!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM (yEz+x)"
People with professional training who carry for a job will start grumbling a out 1986 over this. You carry the pistol on you in a car, this is a lesson earned in blood.
It's not supposed to be comfortable, the goal isn't to be comfy, it's to shoot a mf'er. It IS accessible if your holster isn't nonsensical.
If you are aware of your surroundings in your car, you will have plenty of time to either get out of trouble by driving over or through to opposing party, or retrieve your cocked and locked 1911 out of the console.
There is no way a waistband holstered weapon will be comfortable and accessible while seated in a car!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM (yEz+x)"
People with professional training who carry for a job will start grumbling a out 1986 over this. You carry the pistol on you in a car, this is a lesson earned in blood.
It's not supposed to be comfortable, the goal isn't to be comfy, it's to shoot a mf'er. It IS accessible if your holster isn't nonsensical.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 08:39 PM (23NNO)
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For practice ammo, I've had good results with the Winchester 9mm NATO 124 g loads. Closer to the +P ammo I use.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:41 PM (rj6Yv)
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Has anyone used a S&W 380 EZ? I had hand surgery 2 years ago and I just don’t have the strength anymore for my Glock 23. It’s hell to get old.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 08:42 PM (SjAWL)
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John F.
Obliquely referred to upthread. But in practical terms, it is a gray area. The named plaintiffs which are several different gun organizations and their members are the only ones that this technically applies to. So before you risk being a test case, at the very least, join one of this fine 2A advocacy groups. GOA and SAF were the lead and there might be others named.
What is probably going to happen is a group of blue states and localities are going to try to get involved and appeal, their problem is that the appeal will go to the 5th Circuit. Dunno how that will go down because they have standing issues whereas the fed government doesn't. It might or might not end up at Scotus. Dunno. I would do the paper version anyway to cover yourself legally, especially if not in the 5th Circuit or a member of those named organizations.
Obliquely referred to upthread. But in practical terms, it is a gray area. The named plaintiffs which are several different gun organizations and their members are the only ones that this technically applies to. So before you risk being a test case, at the very least, join one of this fine 2A advocacy groups. GOA and SAF were the lead and there might be others named.
What is probably going to happen is a group of blue states and localities are going to try to get involved and appeal, their problem is that the appeal will go to the 5th Circuit. Dunno how that will go down because they have standing issues whereas the fed government doesn't. It might or might not end up at Scotus. Dunno. I would do the paper version anyway to cover yourself legally, especially if not in the 5th Circuit or a member of those named organizations.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:43 PM (E4rtv)
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Has anyone used a S&W 380 EZ? I had hand surgery 2 years ago and I just don’t have the strength anymore for my Glock 23. It’s hell to get old.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 08:42 PM (SjAWL)
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Do you have a range nearby where you could rent one?
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 08:42 PM (SjAWL)
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Do you have a range nearby where you could rent one?
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:43 PM (3+CbN)
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Don't forget me!
Posted by: Ankle Holster
Piece of advice on those, use a revolver there as you can attract amazing bits of crap that would hinder a semi auto action. Same for pocket carry, a revolver, you can shoot through a pocket in a coat, it will jam a semi auto most likely.
Posted by: Ankle Holster
Piece of advice on those, use a revolver there as you can attract amazing bits of crap that would hinder a semi auto action. Same for pocket carry, a revolver, you can shoot through a pocket in a coat, it will jam a semi auto most likely.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
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Weird, double post. Guess I went off half cocked. Never had that before.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
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163 Hm, would remotely fired barrels, boresight aimed, be legal to install on your car or truck? Sort of like twin .50s on WWII aircraft, you know. Would solve those pesky "administrative" issues during ingress and egress.
Posted by: Common Tater
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Easier to install a flamethrower system.
Posted by: Common Tater
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Easier to install a flamethrower system.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:47 PM (E4rtv)
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Weird, double post. Guess I went off half cocked. Never had that before.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
Must have been the boxer shorts.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
Must have been the boxer shorts.
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 08:48 PM (LMRVO)
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Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 08:38 PM
Sadly, unless we get a SCOTUS ruling that says suppressors are protected, I'm still screwed here in MA.
Sadly, unless we get a SCOTUS ruling that says suppressors are protected, I'm still screwed here in MA.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 08:48 PM (5LIEJ)
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People this is not rocket science. Right or left handed draw at 9 or 3ish, and appedix carry, all work with seatbelts on. Concealed or duty holsters as is applicable. Small of back also if you insist on being a weirdo.
Yes it does not feel great. It is not supposed to feel great, it is supposed to facilitate killing people before they kill you, if you can't just run them over.
I have trained for years to draw and shoot in vehicles both in uniform and plainclothes, and rolled at work for years, armed in vehicles, and I have NEVER, ever, seen anyone offering training to use an off body holster or stuff it in a console, and have NEVER personally seen anyone doing so or talking about doing so. Do not do this, it is nuts.
I have console vaults for carrying *extra* weapons, or securing them in probibited areas.
Yes it does not feel great. It is not supposed to feel great, it is supposed to facilitate killing people before they kill you, if you can't just run them over.
I have trained for years to draw and shoot in vehicles both in uniform and plainclothes, and rolled at work for years, armed in vehicles, and I have NEVER, ever, seen anyone offering training to use an off body holster or stuff it in a console, and have NEVER personally seen anyone doing so or talking about doing so. Do not do this, it is nuts.
I have console vaults for carrying *extra* weapons, or securing them in probibited areas.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 08:50 PM (23NNO)
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That's why embracing the power of "And" is so nice! Flamethrower for close in work, twin .30 cal for more distant social work.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2026 08:51 PM (H50PN)
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I keep snacks in the console vault.
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:52 PM (3+CbN)
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175 Has anyone used a S&W 380 EZ? I had hand surgery 2 years ago and I just don’t have the strength anymore for my Glock 23. It’s hell to get old.
Posted by: TxAnn
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S&W has the grip safety on several of their handguns like the Double Stack Equalizer in 9mm, various Shields in 380 or 9mm, all of which have lower weight recoil springs to rack. Reason is that they are hammer fired guns (internal but hammers-not strikers). I've racked the Equalizer at gun store recently recently because I too have arthritis issues, the recoil spring is not too bad to rack the slide.
There are the push pull techniques though that you can use with your current Glock and moving up to a full sized frame might also be an option.
And I would keep a round in the chamber, Glocks are drop safe and you might not have time to rack the slide in an emergency. In a reload, you drop the slide release instead of racking it and keep firing.
Posted by: TxAnn
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S&W has the grip safety on several of their handguns like the Double Stack Equalizer in 9mm, various Shields in 380 or 9mm, all of which have lower weight recoil springs to rack. Reason is that they are hammer fired guns (internal but hammers-not strikers). I've racked the Equalizer at gun store recently recently because I too have arthritis issues, the recoil spring is not too bad to rack the slide.
There are the push pull techniques though that you can use with your current Glock and moving up to a full sized frame might also be an option.
And I would keep a round in the chamber, Glocks are drop safe and you might not have time to rack the slide in an emergency. In a reload, you drop the slide release instead of racking it and keep firing.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:52 PM (E4rtv)
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Time for me to punch out. Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel. See y'all in the Morning Report.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 08:55 PM (5LIEJ)
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183 I keep snacks in the console vault.
Posted by: Weasel
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Depending on what snacks you keep there, those can also be a deadly threat to you and your assailant.
Problem is if you throw it at your assailant, it takes a really long time for them to eat enough to get diabetes and heart problems.
183 I keep snacks in the console vault.
Posted by: Weasel
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Depending on what snacks you keep there, those can also be a deadly threat to you and your assailant.
Problem is if you throw it at your assailant, it takes a really long time for them to eat enough to get diabetes and heart problems.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:56 PM (E4rtv)
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I know that when I happen upon a nuclear accident, I always quickly deploy foam to keep the radiation within holocaust limits.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 16, 2026 08:56 PM (hrOJm)
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175 Do you have a range nearby where you could rent one?
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:43 PM (3+CbN)
I can check with the gun club near me. My next door neighbor is a gunsmith on the side and he suggested I try it.
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:43 PM (3+CbN)
I can check with the gun club near me. My next door neighbor is a gunsmith on the side and he suggested I try it.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 08:57 PM (SjAWL)
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 08:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Sadly, unless we get a SCOTUS ruling that says suppressors are protected, I'm still screwed here in MA.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 08:48 PM (5LIEJ)
Only one of many reasons you are screwed in MA. The answer lies only a few miles north!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 16, 2026 08:48 PM (5LIEJ)
Only one of many reasons you are screwed in MA. The answer lies only a few miles north!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 08:57 PM (LMRVO)
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"183 I keep snacks in the console vault.
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:52 PM (3+CbN)"
Sure, but its 100+ outaide the car here, ain't no snack going to last a day in the console.
Problem with small pistols for those with the hand problems is that when it is age or injury, it's normally all downhill even if you teach them the peoper method. Seems a majority of little old ladies can't do it even if they have a hulk grip strength because they don't understand the technique to do it for some reason. That basically leaves small wheel guns only for carry, and in 38 or 32 so they can use them effectively.
And basically forget about reloading, which is where pistols vastly outclass revolvers. You get 5 or 6 shots and done, but fortunately most real world defensive uses in sane places require 0 shots.
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 08:52 PM (3+CbN)"
Sure, but its 100+ outaide the car here, ain't no snack going to last a day in the console.
Problem with small pistols for those with the hand problems is that when it is age or injury, it's normally all downhill even if you teach them the peoper method. Seems a majority of little old ladies can't do it even if they have a hulk grip strength because they don't understand the technique to do it for some reason. That basically leaves small wheel guns only for carry, and in 38 or 32 so they can use them effectively.
And basically forget about reloading, which is where pistols vastly outclass revolvers. You get 5 or 6 shots and done, but fortunately most real world defensive uses in sane places require 0 shots.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 08:58 PM (23NNO)
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I shot a G42 in 380 a couple,of weeks ago and found it very easy to shoot with little recoil. I normally shoot a G48. Don't know if that helps or not.
I'm out.
Have a good week everybody.
Thanks Weasel
I'm out.
Have a good week everybody.
Thanks Weasel
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 16, 2026 08:59 PM (kJmSS)
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I guess Broderick Crawford had his undies in a bunch or something in that episode. Aside from being really cranky, he also ran like ... well, a dainty, as he ran away from the farm house. Dainty, as in should have been wearing heels and something swishy. Piper could be more specific, I'm sure.
Also, evidently, that house was built before fireplace flue dampers became a thing. But, hey, if Santa can get in, so should some Highway Patrol tear gas, right?
BTW, Weasel, I really enjoy my weekly episode of HP. Glad you made it a thing.
Also, evidently, that house was built before fireplace flue dampers became a thing. But, hey, if Santa can get in, so should some Highway Patrol tear gas, right?
BTW, Weasel, I really enjoy my weekly episode of HP. Glad you made it a thing.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 09:00 PM (kU0PQ)
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Well, Mr. Weasel, another great thread. The ATF decision will certainly give us things to talk about as it progresses.
Hmm, maybe I really do need a 9 mm suppressor for my carbine!
Hmm, maybe I really do need a 9 mm suppressor for my carbine!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 09:02 PM (LMRVO)
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his grandfather, would take the opposite side of any rational argument just to be a contrarian.
Posted by: Auspex at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM
I do not !!!!
Posted by: Grandfather at August 16, 2026 08:02 PM (0sNs1)
I feel this. Totally.
Posted by: Auspex at August 16, 2026 07:57 PM
I do not !!!!
Posted by: Grandfather at August 16, 2026 08:02 PM (0sNs1)
I feel this. Totally.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 09:02 PM (kU0PQ)
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TxAnn, this is what Brave AI says and it pretty much tracks with my experiences,
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The Smith & Wesson M&P 380 Shield EZ requires less than half the force needed to rack the slide on a standard 9mm pistol, with the EZ380 and EZ9 models cited as having comparable, very low racking effort.
Standard recoil springs on full size semi autos run about 15 lbs or so. Smaller compact sizes often have doubled recoil springs and that can push the effort needed to nearly twenty lbs or so. You are also cocking (most striker fired) or pre cocking (Glock) the striker with the racking making it a bit harder than just recoil. A hammer fired, on the other hand, requires less effort with the hammer back and that is what the EZ models do essentially, the grip safety releases the hammer so the racking strength needed is much less.
You can do something similar, don't recommend it as a regular practice, but cock a 1911 pistol's hammer and rack the slide for practice, you will notice much less effort to do so. On hammered fired DA/SA, some you can do that with, some you can't depending on the model.
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The Smith & Wesson M&P 380 Shield EZ requires less than half the force needed to rack the slide on a standard 9mm pistol, with the EZ380 and EZ9 models cited as having comparable, very low racking effort.
Standard recoil springs on full size semi autos run about 15 lbs or so. Smaller compact sizes often have doubled recoil springs and that can push the effort needed to nearly twenty lbs or so. You are also cocking (most striker fired) or pre cocking (Glock) the striker with the racking making it a bit harder than just recoil. A hammer fired, on the other hand, requires less effort with the hammer back and that is what the EZ models do essentially, the grip safety releases the hammer so the racking strength needed is much less.
You can do something similar, don't recommend it as a regular practice, but cock a 1911 pistol's hammer and rack the slide for practice, you will notice much less effort to do so. On hammered fired DA/SA, some you can do that with, some you can't depending on the model.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:02 PM (E4rtv)
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They make thingamajigs to help people rack pistols against counters or desks for administrative loading but I can't say they seem all that safe for this sort of user, and in practice I always see people give up and just not carry.
And yes, carry one in the pipe with few exceptions.
And yes, carry one in the pipe with few exceptions.
Posted by: heya at August 16, 2026 09:02 PM (23NNO)
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Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 08:57 PM (SjAWL)
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Good luck and please let us know if you get to try one. There is no substitute for personal experience on the range!
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Good luck and please let us know if you get to try one. There is no substitute for personal experience on the range!
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 09:04 PM (+OnsA)
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194 Well, Mr. Weasel, another great thread. The ATF decision will certainly give us things to talk about as it progresses.
Hmm, maybe I really do need a 9 mm suppressor for my carbine!
Posted by: RI Red
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I see a massive spike on GOA and 2nd Amendment Foundation membership soon.
Hmm, maybe I really do need a 9 mm suppressor for my carbine!
Posted by: RI Red
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I see a massive spike on GOA and 2nd Amendment Foundation membership soon.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 09:06 PM (+OnsA)
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I see a massive spike on GOA and 2nd Amendment Foundation membership soon.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
I’m gonna make the rounds at all my LGSs and see how they are interpreting it. They’d best not have a 9 mm can at a reasonable price!
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
I’m gonna make the rounds at all my LGSs and see how they are interpreting it. They’d best not have a 9 mm can at a reasonable price!
Posted by: RI Red - at August 16, 2026 09:08 PM (30Gj0)
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I see a massive spike on GOA and 2nd Amendment Foundation membership soon.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
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And purchases of 12g hammer-fired coach guns.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
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And purchases of 12g hammer-fired coach guns.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 09:09 PM (rj6Yv)
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Hey All!
And thanks Weasel.
I have always considered Apex Carry as the best possible carry position for many reasons.
Concealability and certainly accessibility.
But my current problem is that my Apex is far too big to allow this.
And thanks Weasel.
I have always considered Apex Carry as the best possible carry position for many reasons.
Concealability and certainly accessibility.
But my current problem is that my Apex is far too big to allow this.
Posted by: Gunslinger at August 16, 2026 09:10 PM (N91F8)
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I've had multiple hand surgeries, elbow surgerys, back surgery (most recent) due to nerve impingements caused by bone spurring in nerve channels.
Lost a lot of grip strength which is slowly coming back with rehab. But, small semi autos, typically striker fired, will have stiffer recoil springs or often double/2 stage recoil springs because that recoil spring is necessary to slow down the slide speed so upon return that it can eject the fired case, pick up a new round, and then put it into the chamber for the next trigger pull. All semi autos have slide/recoil spring, and ejection/extraction that are designed to work within fairly narrow parameters.
So the ammo cannot cause the slide/barrel/recoil spring extraction and ejection to operate too fast or too slow. Change one of the variables in the equation, and you can get function problems. To get over that problem, they design in overkill to make it operate with a variety of ammo and even tolerance for limp wristing in some cases. That includes stiffer recoil springs in many cases.
Lost a lot of grip strength which is slowly coming back with rehab. But, small semi autos, typically striker fired, will have stiffer recoil springs or often double/2 stage recoil springs because that recoil spring is necessary to slow down the slide speed so upon return that it can eject the fired case, pick up a new round, and then put it into the chamber for the next trigger pull. All semi autos have slide/recoil spring, and ejection/extraction that are designed to work within fairly narrow parameters.
So the ammo cannot cause the slide/barrel/recoil spring extraction and ejection to operate too fast or too slow. Change one of the variables in the equation, and you can get function problems. To get over that problem, they design in overkill to make it operate with a variety of ammo and even tolerance for limp wristing in some cases. That includes stiffer recoil springs in many cases.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:11 PM (E4rtv)
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Range time. Took a couple of friends to the local shooting spot and let them shoot my suppressed Ruger .22 pistol. One friend took the opportunity to check zero on his 9mm and his .380 ACP.
I took the opportunity to pull out my EDC Sig P365, which I have been carrying daily for (mumble, mumble) months and emptied it with zero malfunctions, which is as it should be.
A good time was had by all.
I took the opportunity to pull out my EDC Sig P365, which I have been carrying daily for (mumble, mumble) months and emptied it with zero malfunctions, which is as it should be.
A good time was had by all.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 16, 2026 09:12 PM (aQEfL)
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Broken. Arrow.
Kerblam.
Remove space after Mars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Mars _Bluff_B-47_nuclear_weapon_loss_incident
Broken. Arrow.
Kerblam.
Remove space after Mars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Mars _Bluff_B-47_nuclear_weapon_loss_incident
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 16, 2026 09:12 PM (VWtfl)
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Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:02 PM (E4rtv)
Thanks so much for the info. I got my CHL renewal a month ago and realized that I hadn’t fired any of the inventory in a long time, as in a few years. I had surgery on my left hand, I’m right handed and it was almost impossible to rack the G23. I have a Bersa Thunder that belonged to my brother so that might be easier to use.
Thanks so much for the info. I got my CHL renewal a month ago and realized that I hadn’t fired any of the inventory in a long time, as in a few years. I had surgery on my left hand, I’m right handed and it was almost impossible to rack the G23. I have a Bersa Thunder that belonged to my brother so that might be easier to use.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 09:13 PM (SjAWL)
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Appendix hurts. Rear quarter I have never tried. Don't want to carry a bag. I like shoulder holsters above all BUT my AO doesn't really allow a jacket of any type except a couple months a year due to extreme heat. Favorite is using a left handed IWB holster (I am righthanded) in the small of the back. Just wear long untucked shirts. The most comfortable for everything up to full size 1911s.
Posted by: Azjaeger at August 16, 2026 09:14 PM (3/XaG)
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OK, 9:14 thank you time!
Thank you! Amazing light show going on now after a line of storms moved through a little while ago.
Anyhoo, thanks for being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Thank you! Amazing light show going on now after a line of storms moved through a little while ago.
Anyhoo, thanks for being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 09:14 PM (+OnsA)
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And purchases of 12g hammer-fired coach guns.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 09:09 PM (rj6Yv)
I mean, that's just a good time right there
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 09:09 PM (rj6Yv)
I mean, that's just a good time right there
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 09:14 PM (xcxpd)
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People that compete regularly have learned some tricks that reduce reliability if you operate the firearm on ammo outside the original design parameter but can give superior accuracy and speed in firing sequences.
That is where tuning a semi auto to use a specific ammo can allow a gunsmith or in many cases, an experienced amateur competitor to keep the reliability, increase the accuracy, and speed, and be able to compete in a match.
That option is available to everyone but the key is you have to feed it specific ammunition that you have designed all your springs, trigger pull, barrel tolerances, lubrication, etc. toward.
If you compete, you will learn how to do this or have someone else do it for you. If an amateur, ask for a gunsmith's help because race guns require you set one of your variables as a constant--usually the ammo you feed it.
That is where tuning a semi auto to use a specific ammo can allow a gunsmith or in many cases, an experienced amateur competitor to keep the reliability, increase the accuracy, and speed, and be able to compete in a match.
That option is available to everyone but the key is you have to feed it specific ammunition that you have designed all your springs, trigger pull, barrel tolerances, lubrication, etc. toward.
If you compete, you will learn how to do this or have someone else do it for you. If an amateur, ask for a gunsmith's help because race guns require you set one of your variables as a constant--usually the ammo you feed it.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:15 PM (E4rtv)
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Y'all getting ready for TX?
Posted by: Weasel at August 16, 2026 09:18 PM (+OnsA)
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There is no way a waistband holstered weapon will be comfortable and accessible while seated in a car!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM (yEz+x)
Well its not super comfy but I carry on the hip when driving. Of course...I also have a console gun and....others.
If I'm driving multiple days, I'll use a shoulder shoulder but otherwise, I just deal with the discomfort, gives me an excuse to get out of the car ever couple of hours.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 08:27 PM (yEz+x)
Well its not super comfy but I carry on the hip when driving. Of course...I also have a console gun and....others.
If I'm driving multiple days, I'll use a shoulder shoulder but otherwise, I just deal with the discomfort, gives me an excuse to get out of the car ever couple of hours.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 16, 2026 09:19 PM (xcxpd)
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Regarding the M14s coming up for sale - I'm considering a road trip to the CMP store in Talladega after they are stocked.
Dear Wife asked me - "Do you really need another rifle?"
"Wot?"
https://share.google/XWb8Q7FxSmw5U09lW
Dear Wife asked me - "Do you really need another rifle?"
"Wot?"
https://share.google/XWb8Q7FxSmw5U09lW
Posted by: Tonypete at August 16, 2026 09:20 PM (hrOJm)
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Thanks so much for the info. I got my CHL renewal a month ago and realized that I hadn’t fired any of the inventory in a long time, as in a few years. I had surgery on my left hand, I’m right handed and it was almost impossible to rack the G23. I have a Bersa Thunder that belonged to my brother so that might be easier to use.
Posted by: TxAnn
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I have a compact Thunder that I inherited. They are hammer fired and a bit easier to rack than a striker fired to me. The larger Thunder Nine probably has less effort needed to rack the slide than the one I have. Very thick grips though on it.
As heya was saying above, there are devices that look like wings at the back of some semi autos, Glocks are one of them, that you can get a better grip to sling shot the slide into being racked. Makes it harder to carry though.
The easiest, at the range, is to be sideways to downrange (the safe direction). you push your strong hand forward gripping the pistol in a firing grip while you push your weak hand backward at the same time to rack the slide. Allows you to at least double the amount of handstrength on the problem by sharing the effort between both hands and arms.
Posted by: TxAnn
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I have a compact Thunder that I inherited. They are hammer fired and a bit easier to rack than a striker fired to me. The larger Thunder Nine probably has less effort needed to rack the slide than the one I have. Very thick grips though on it.
As heya was saying above, there are devices that look like wings at the back of some semi autos, Glocks are one of them, that you can get a better grip to sling shot the slide into being racked. Makes it harder to carry though.
The easiest, at the range, is to be sideways to downrange (the safe direction). you push your strong hand forward gripping the pistol in a firing grip while you push your weak hand backward at the same time to rack the slide. Allows you to at least double the amount of handstrength on the problem by sharing the effort between both hands and arms.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:22 PM (E4rtv)
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Amazing how the same cities and states that are so hot to ban citizens from owning firearms are the same ones that are now electing DAs and AGs that are hot for defunding police forces.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:19 PM (rj6Yv)
And those are the same DAs and AGs who will REQUIRE a violent, adversarial police force to carry out half their wishes.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 08:19 PM (rj6Yv)
And those are the same DAs and AGs who will REQUIRE a violent, adversarial police force to carry out half their wishes.
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 16, 2026 09:23 PM (4g5V+)
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They make thingamajigs to help people rack pistols against counters or desks for administrative loading...
A while back I posted a link for a gadget called (IIRC) EZ Racker but I can't find the link and bing isn't helping much. Anyway, it was just a 3d printed block of plastic with slots to fit over specific models of slides and give a lot of surface area to grip. If they're out of business, it should be simple for anyone with a modicum of CAD knowledge and a printer to make one. The hitch of course is that you need the specific gun to take measurements from.
A while back I posted a link for a gadget called (IIRC) EZ Racker but I can't find the link and bing isn't helping much. Anyway, it was just a 3d printed block of plastic with slots to fit over specific models of slides and give a lot of surface area to grip. If they're out of business, it should be simple for anyone with a modicum of CAD knowledge and a printer to make one. The hitch of course is that you need the specific gun to take measurements from.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 09:23 PM (vTZFs)
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I think (don’t be afraid) my best defense is situational awareness. I’d much rather hit another car, or a person impeding my escape, than draw a weapon.
If I’m trapped, I’m going down fighting.
If I’m trapped, I’m going down fighting.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:24 PM (/3Exi)
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214 Regarding the M14s coming up for sale - I'm considering a road trip to the CMP store in Talladega after they are stocked.
Dear Wife asked me - "Do you really need another rifle?"
"Wot?"
https://share.google/XWb8Q7FxSmw5U09lW
Posted by: Tonypete
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Heh. Nice place around Talladega Race Track. Superb shooting range there. Only visited it once back and forth on I-20 due to other places I needed to be.
Candy store for gun lovers at times.
Dear Wife asked me - "Do you really need another rifle?"
"Wot?"
https://share.google/XWb8Q7FxSmw5U09lW
Posted by: Tonypete
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Heh. Nice place around Talladega Race Track. Superb shooting range there. Only visited it once back and forth on I-20 due to other places I needed to be.
Candy store for gun lovers at times.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:24 PM (E4rtv)
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“208 Appendix hurts. Rear quarter I have never tried. Don't want to carry a bag. I like shoulder holsters above all BUT my AO doesn't really allow a jacket of any type except a couple months a year due to extreme heat. Favorite is using a left handed IWB holster (I am righthanded) in the small of the back. Just wear long untucked shirts. The most comfortable for everything up to full size 1911s.“
Same. Can’t drive this way. My choice is the 5’o-clock position, if that makes sense. I haven’t found a kydex holster that doesn’t pinch my love handles. Or more honestly, my love “railings”.
I have a Sticky holster clone, made by Clinger holsters. I like it a lot. Simple, thin, and it just works. In the right position, it’s as good as any other I have tried.
Same. Can’t drive this way. My choice is the 5’o-clock position, if that makes sense. I haven’t found a kydex holster that doesn’t pinch my love handles. Or more honestly, my love “railings”.
I have a Sticky holster clone, made by Clinger holsters. I like it a lot. Simple, thin, and it just works. In the right position, it’s as good as any other I have tried.
Posted by: Gunslinger at August 16, 2026 09:24 PM (N91F8)
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 09:25 PM (vTZFs)
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Did you mean Handi Racker?
USCCA has it and a competitor, Brass Stacker in this article.
https://tinyurl.com/USCCA-Racking-the-Slide
USCCA has it and a competitor, Brass Stacker in this article.
https://tinyurl.com/USCCA-Racking-the-Slide
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:26 PM (E4rtv)
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Y'all getting ready for TX?
Not in the cards for this year unless something unexpected happens soon.
Not in the cards for this year unless something unexpected happens soon.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 09:27 PM (vTZFs)
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:27 PM (/3Exi)
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 09:28 PM (XuXeR)
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218 I think (don’t be afraid) my best defense is situational awareness. I’d much rather hit another car, or a person impeding my escape, than draw a weapon.
If I’m trapped, I’m going down fighting.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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You have done all right in some tight situations IIRC. I hope Seattle though is not going to deteriorate further with that evil Commie dunce as a mayor. Y'all are underpoliced now as it is.
Sister used to live in the metro area for about twenty years and bailed 8 years ago.
If I’m trapped, I’m going down fighting.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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You have done all right in some tight situations IIRC. I hope Seattle though is not going to deteriorate further with that evil Commie dunce as a mayor. Y'all are underpoliced now as it is.
Sister used to live in the metro area for about twenty years and bailed 8 years ago.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:28 PM (E4rtv)
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225 Regarding the M14s coming up for sale"
Will these ever be fired, or just put away?
Ah well.
Posted by: man
Both, too many for massive price appreciation to begin with plus Springfield Armory has its M1A clone around for a long time. So some will shoot them, others will hoard them. But I don't think they are going to allow speculators to drain them dry with multiple purchases at first. The 97's will probably be auctioned as I understand there are far fewer of those.
Will these ever be fired, or just put away?
Ah well.
Posted by: man
Both, too many for massive price appreciation to begin with plus Springfield Armory has its M1A clone around for a long time. So some will shoot them, others will hoard them. But I don't think they are going to allow speculators to drain them dry with multiple purchases at first. The 97's will probably be auctioned as I understand there are far fewer of those.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:30 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:31 PM (/3Exi)
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Regarding the M14s coming up for sale"
Will these ever be fired, or just put away?
Ah well.
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 09:28 PM (XuXeR)
7.62 ammo runs two or three times the price of 5.56, so I say most will be fired, but not a lot.
Will these ever be fired, or just put away?
Ah well.
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 09:28 PM (XuXeR)
7.62 ammo runs two or three times the price of 5.56, so I say most will be fired, but not a lot.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 16, 2026 09:31 PM (aQEfL)
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Both, too many for massive price appreciation to begin with plus Springfield Armory has its M1A clone around for a long time.
I wonder if the availability of "real" (if crippled) M14s will force M1A prices down. They're nice rifles but way overpriced IMO.
I wonder if the availability of "real" (if crippled) M14s will force M1A prices down. They're nice rifles but way overpriced IMO.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 09:32 PM (vTZFs)
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Thanks so much for the info. I got my CHL renewal a month ago and realized that I hadn’t fired any of the inventory in a long time, as in a few years. I had surgery on my left hand, I’m right handed and it was almost impossible to rack the G23. I have a Bersa Thunder that belonged to my brother so that might be easier to use.
Posted by: TxAnn
And, if you can, get your doc to give you a physical therapy order for an occupational therapist that specializes in hand rehab. They can help a lot. Starting mine in two weeks and have previously had that about ten years ago due to carpal tunnel issues. Staved off surgery for about six years after.
Posted by: TxAnn
And, if you can, get your doc to give you a physical therapy order for an occupational therapist that specializes in hand rehab. They can help a lot. Starting mine in two weeks and have previously had that about ten years ago due to carpal tunnel issues. Staved off surgery for about six years after.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:33 PM (E4rtv)
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many for massive price appreciation to begin with"
Well, that and a decreasing audience...
I mean, I'm old and I don't remember much about the M14...
Well, that and a decreasing audience...
I mean, I'm old and I don't remember much about the M14...
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 09:33 PM (XuXeR)
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I wonder if the availability of "real" (if crippled) M14s will force M1A prices down. They're nice rifles but way overpriced IMO.
Posted by: Oddbob
Possibly, I think perhaps the M1A's are using cast receivers now but I really have not looked at one in years close up. Springfield Armory (the pvt company version) briefly used some cast Garand receivers to make some Garands in the 90's I think.
Too expensive to make forged receivers anymore for large rifles and cast has improved regarding strength of the steel alloys that can be cast. That is what made Bill Ruger's company be able to grow so fast. Not relying on forged receivers and frames.
Posted by: Oddbob
Possibly, I think perhaps the M1A's are using cast receivers now but I really have not looked at one in years close up. Springfield Armory (the pvt company version) briefly used some cast Garand receivers to make some Garands in the 90's I think.
Too expensive to make forged receivers anymore for large rifles and cast has improved regarding strength of the steel alloys that can be cast. That is what made Bill Ruger's company be able to grow so fast. Not relying on forged receivers and frames.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:36 PM (E4rtv)
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I mean, I'm old and I don't remember much about the M14...
Posted by: man
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Basically a redesigned Garand with a box magazine in 308. Can be very accurate if you are careful with stock fitting, otherwise, like most semi autos--2-3 MOA, a bolt action is more accurate nowadays straight from the store. You can easily buy a store bolt action now that routinely hits 1 MOA or better.
The M-14 needs some tricks to do that regularly.
Posted by: man
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Basically a redesigned Garand with a box magazine in 308. Can be very accurate if you are careful with stock fitting, otherwise, like most semi autos--2-3 MOA, a bolt action is more accurate nowadays straight from the store. You can easily buy a store bolt action now that routinely hits 1 MOA or better.
The M-14 needs some tricks to do that regularly.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:41 PM (E4rtv)
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231 And, if you can, get your doc to give you a physical therapy order for an occupational therapist that specializes in hand rehab.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:33 PM (E4rtv)
I had a few months of PT afterwards and the pain from the arthritis was gone. The arthritis was essentially surgically removed; however, I had forgotten how much strength it took to rack that Glock until I actually tried last week. I used it for my original CHL test but that was 18 years ago.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:33 PM (E4rtv)
I had a few months of PT afterwards and the pain from the arthritis was gone. The arthritis was essentially surgically removed; however, I had forgotten how much strength it took to rack that Glock until I actually tried last week. I used it for my original CHL test but that was 18 years ago.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 09:41 PM (SjAWL)
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2 AZ sheriffs bought silencers this weekwnd, They are both 'gun owners of america' members.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 16, 2026 09:41 PM (NnhvP)
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228 whig,
Mayor Katie is getting recall notices.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Sorry you have to live with such an evil clown as mayor but at least her recall can give some comic relief.
Mayor Katie is getting recall notices.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Sorry you have to live with such an evil clown as mayor but at least her recall can give some comic relief.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:42 PM (E4rtv)
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I want a Tikka or Sako rifle now.
Posted by: GWB at August 16, 2026 09:42 PM (kU0PQ)
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 09:43 PM (XuXeR)
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And a belated Good evening to Weasel and thanks for the GT too!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 16, 2026 09:45 PM (NnhvP)
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I had a lovely Time shooting with my oldest son yesterday. He’s a great kid.
Today was Boeing Family Day and I got to go to the plant in Everett, WA where they assemble planes and tour the factory. It’s the largest building in the world.
The 777X is ridiculous. It’s huge. To see it on various stages of assembly is awesome.
My kid is a part of this.
Today was Boeing Family Day and I got to go to the plant in Everett, WA where they assemble planes and tour the factory. It’s the largest building in the world.
The 777X is ridiculous. It’s huge. To see it on various stages of assembly is awesome.
My kid is a part of this.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:45 PM (yEz+x)
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I want a Tikka or Sako rifle now."
Buddy of mine has a Tikka (T3 IIRC) in 6.5 C. Really really superb action and good trigger. Just a real quality item.
Buddy of mine has a Tikka (T3 IIRC) in 6.5 C. Really really superb action and good trigger. Just a real quality item.
Posted by: man at August 16, 2026 09:46 PM (XuXeR)
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I had a few months of PT afterwards and the pain from the arthritis was gone. The arthritis was essentially surgically removed; however, I had forgotten how much strength it took to rack that Glock until I actually tried last week. I used it for my original CHL test but that was 18 years ago.
Posted by: TxAnn
Sometimes the strength can return if it is an issue of muscles only--there are a variety of exercise gimmicks which I used to increase my extensor strength (cost about 10 bucks from Amazon for a set) and are like rubber brass knuckles that you extend your fingers and retract over and over. Then I have a gel hand grip that compresses at a certain strength that works like a fingergrooved fat handgun grip. Each color represents a different weight. I compressed that over and released while watching tv. Gained about twenty pounds so far as measured from pre surgery. My peripheral nerves were impinged in my cervical region as they came off the spine (forminal stenosis) for the arms and hands.
I had the surgery this winter when my grip and arm strength dropped by one third in a year prior--pain is okay to deal with, loss of function is not.
Posted by: TxAnn
Sometimes the strength can return if it is an issue of muscles only--there are a variety of exercise gimmicks which I used to increase my extensor strength (cost about 10 bucks from Amazon for a set) and are like rubber brass knuckles that you extend your fingers and retract over and over. Then I have a gel hand grip that compresses at a certain strength that works like a fingergrooved fat handgun grip. Each color represents a different weight. I compressed that over and released while watching tv. Gained about twenty pounds so far as measured from pre surgery. My peripheral nerves were impinged in my cervical region as they came off the spine (forminal stenosis) for the arms and hands.
I had the surgery this winter when my grip and arm strength dropped by one third in a year prior--pain is okay to deal with, loss of function is not.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:47 PM (E4rtv)
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228 whig,
Mayor Katie is getting recall notices.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:31 PM (/3Exi)
Speaking of recalls, I think petitions are being signed to recall the mayor and some of the city council in McKinney TX because they approved a giant mosque against the will of the residents.
Mayor Katie is getting recall notices.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:31 PM (/3Exi)
Speaking of recalls, I think petitions are being signed to recall the mayor and some of the city council in McKinney TX because they approved a giant mosque against the will of the residents.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 09:48 PM (SjAWL)
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239 Basically a redesigned Garand"
Which was way before my time.
Posted by: man
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Some folks have put animated cutaway examples of the Garand (and M-14 firing) with the parts moving as they should during the firing sequence. Pretty neat. I think you can find them on You Tube like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nilV86gUSFI
Which was way before my time.
Posted by: man
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Some folks have put animated cutaway examples of the Garand (and M-14 firing) with the parts moving as they should during the firing sequence. Pretty neat. I think you can find them on You Tube like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nilV86gUSFI
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:49 PM (E4rtv)
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I think (don’t be afraid) my best defense is situational awareness. I’d much rather hit another car, or a person impeding my escape, than draw a weapon.
If I’m trapped, I’m going down fighting.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:24 PM (/3Exi)
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My ex-BIL told me a story about 30 years ago about a nurse working at the same hospital he was, who was a victim of a particularly gruesome SA in the hospital's parking lot. After recuperation, she returned to duty, only this time, she carried a short-barreled shottie from the car to the building. He said nobody questioned her - not hospital security, not hospital admin. Every night. I had this thought of Linda Hamilton and the Terminator.
If I’m trapped, I’m going down fighting.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:24 PM (/3Exi)
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My ex-BIL told me a story about 30 years ago about a nurse working at the same hospital he was, who was a victim of a particularly gruesome SA in the hospital's parking lot. After recuperation, she returned to duty, only this time, she carried a short-barreled shottie from the car to the building. He said nobody questioned her - not hospital security, not hospital admin. Every night. I had this thought of Linda Hamilton and the Terminator.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 09:50 PM (rj6Yv)
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Speaking of recalls, I think petitions are being signed to recall the mayor and some of the city council in McKinney TX because they approved a giant mosque against the will of the residents.
Posted by: TxAnn
Saw that. Developers run a lot of city halls and mayors and they end up creating dumps if the politicians sell out to them.
A 5.5 acre Muzzie complex is not something most of us want dumped in our hometowns.
Posted by: TxAnn
Saw that. Developers run a lot of city halls and mayors and they end up creating dumps if the politicians sell out to them.
A 5.5 acre Muzzie complex is not something most of us want dumped in our hometowns.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:50 PM (E4rtv)
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Oh, and the hospital was in Boston, Mass.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 09:51 PM (rj6Yv)
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I searched on "The San Cristobal Revelation" to see if this was about something other than the cigar. Not that I found. So, that was a revelation to me.
Posted by: mindful webworker - revelationary at August 16, 2026 09:52 PM (Cl/mc)
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My Army weapon was the M16-A1. The infantry units had upgraded to the A-2. But hey, I loved my weapon. Never failed me.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, rawkin' the tighty whities at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (0aYVJ)
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (yEz+x)
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238 I want a Tikka or Sako rifle now.
Posted by: GWB
If you are not going to shoot a whole lot of rounds through it, there were some new design Mausers and Sauer rifles out there that use hydraulically pressed barrels into the action--superb accuracy and priced well below a Tikka or Sako. They did not sell that well here and CDNN had some on clearance for about $600 more or less.
Then again, for that, you can get a Savage which with a barrel nut system you can switch barrels to whatever cartridge you like in a cartridge family with minimal effort. You can do that now with an R700 (see Remage barrels) receiver, and Ruger's American series as well with a slightly different barrel nut system.
Posted by: GWB
If you are not going to shoot a whole lot of rounds through it, there were some new design Mausers and Sauer rifles out there that use hydraulically pressed barrels into the action--superb accuracy and priced well below a Tikka or Sako. They did not sell that well here and CDNN had some on clearance for about $600 more or less.
Then again, for that, you can get a Savage which with a barrel nut system you can switch barrels to whatever cartridge you like in a cartridge family with minimal effort. You can do that now with an R700 (see Remage barrels) receiver, and Ruger's American series as well with a slightly different barrel nut system.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (E4rtv)
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250 My Army weapon was the M16-A1. The infantry units had upgraded to the A-2. But hey, I loved my weapon. Never failed me.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
I learned on an A1 (Air Force has older rifles than Army or Marines usually) and like how easy it was to zero using the cartridge tip to dial it in literally, they made the transition to the A2 just before the Gulf War.
Did not care for that as zeroing is more complicated--more accurate potentially but more complicated.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
I learned on an A1 (Air Force has older rifles than Army or Marines usually) and like how easy it was to zero using the cartridge tip to dial it in literally, they made the transition to the A2 just before the Gulf War.
Did not care for that as zeroing is more complicated--more accurate potentially but more complicated.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:56 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 16, 2026 09:56 PM (Cqx++)
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mrp
God Bless her.
United HeatlthCare. Signs my paychecks. I don’t have that option.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (yEz+x)
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My mother was a RN. A country girl. Tougher than nails.
God Bless her.
United HeatlthCare. Signs my paychecks. I don’t have that option.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (yEz+x)
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My mother was a RN. A country girl. Tougher than nails.
Posted by: mrp at August 16, 2026 09:57 PM (rj6Yv)
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I don't worry about much. The 2nd is all I need. FAFO. A polite society is what we call western civilization.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 16, 2026 09:58 PM (tvdD1)
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Almost too late, sorry to thank you Weasel so late in the thread. But thanks.
Made my week--has been a pretty tough one as Mom got a uti in her assisted living and fell--injuring her head. Lot of coordination of care and now she is in rehab rather than the hospital.
Made my week--has been a pretty tough one as Mom got a uti in her assisted living and fell--injuring her head. Lot of coordination of care and now she is in rehab rather than the hospital.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:58 PM (E4rtv)
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2 AZ sheriffs bought silencers this weekwnd
I didn't hear that.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
At a press conference, they told the press--"snitches get stiches" and walked out. Just kidding.
2 AZ sheriffs bought silencers this weekwnd
I didn't hear that.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
At a press conference, they told the press--"snitches get stiches" and walked out. Just kidding.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:59 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Oddbob at August 16, 2026 10:00 PM (vTZFs)
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GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A PLEASANT TOMORROW.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Reminds me of Garret Morris doing SNL's News for the Hard of Hearing sketch.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Reminds me of Garret Morris doing SNL's News for the Hard of Hearing sketch.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 10:01 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: mindful webworker - supposebly at August 16, 2026 10:02 PM (Cl/mc)
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Good night folks.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 10:02 PM (E4rtv)
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257 Made my week--has been a pretty tough one as Mom got a uti in her assisted living and fell--injuring her head. Lot of coordination of care and now she is in rehab rather than the hospital.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:58 PM (E4rtv)
I’m sorry to hear that. I can really empathize. My mother passed away 21 years ago tomorrow and I had to get a live in caretaker for my wheelchair bound father right afterwards. Both had been dealing with the sudden death of one of my brothers. Sometimes it all becomes too much.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2026 09:58 PM (E4rtv)
I’m sorry to hear that. I can really empathize. My mother passed away 21 years ago tomorrow and I had to get a live in caretaker for my wheelchair bound father right afterwards. Both had been dealing with the sudden death of one of my brothers. Sometimes it all becomes too much.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 10:07 PM (SjAWL)
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I do not like disturbing the resting place of sailors, even if they were our enemy at the time.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 08:18 PM (g5tO/)
That’s convention so that is understandable.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 16, 2026 08:18 PM (g5tO/)
That’s convention so that is understandable.
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 16, 2026 10:20 PM (4g5V+)
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United HeatlthCare. Signs my paychecks. I don’t have that option.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (yEz+x)
So I can only see you when healthy?
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:54 PM (yEz+x)
So I can only see you when healthy?
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 16, 2026 10:22 PM (4g5V+)
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244 228 whig,
Mayor Katie is getting recall notices.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:31 PM (/3Exi)
Speaking of recalls, I think petitions are being signed to recall the mayor and some of the city council in McKinney TX because they approved a giant mosque against the will of the residents.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 09:48 PM (SjAWL)
What if it was done to set at trap to kill every evil Muslim in it at the first Friday prayers?
Mayor Katie is getting recall notices.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 16, 2026 09:31 PM (/3Exi)
Speaking of recalls, I think petitions are being signed to recall the mayor and some of the city council in McKinney TX because they approved a giant mosque against the will of the residents.
Posted by: TxAnn at August 16, 2026 09:48 PM (SjAWL)
What if it was done to set at trap to kill every evil Muslim in it at the first Friday prayers?
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 16, 2026 10:25 PM (4g5V+)
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