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Sunday Morning Book Thread - 7-26-2026 ["Perfessor" Squirrel]
Welcome to the prestigious, internationally acclaimed, stately, and illustrious Sunday Morning Book Thread! The place where all readers are welcome, regardless of whatever guilty pleasure we feel like reading (don't roll a "1"!). Here is where we can discuss, argue, bicker, quibble, consider, debate, confabulate, converse, and jaw about our latest fancy in reading material. As always, pants are required, unless you are wearing these pants...
So relax, find yourself a warm kitty (or warm puppy--I won't judge) to curl up in your lap, and dive into a new book. What are YOU reading this fine morning?
THE ODYSSEY'S INFLUENCE IN SCIENCE FICTION
The YouTuber above points out that The Odyssey has had a surprising influence on the science fiction genre and provides some compelling evidence. He points out that you can replace the islands that Odysseus visits with alien planets, sea monsters with hostile aliens, and Poseidon with an indifferent universe. He also points out that in a lot of science fiction stories, the hero's greatest strength is his adaptability and creativity in problem solving, rather than strength of arms.
Looking through my own library, I can find a number of additional examples of science fiction stories that conform to the same story structure as The Odyssey
Philip José Farmer's The Dungeon - This six-volume series has Major Clive Folliot engage on an epic quest to find his long lost brother in darkest Africa. He is sucked into an interdimensional portal that takes him to The Dungeon, a multilayer hellscape requiring all of Clive's wits to find his brother and return home. It's very much a textbook example of The Odyssey's story structure, with lots of strange encounters, most hostile, but some not, and when Clive reaches the end of his journey, he is no longer the same person who began it, growing, learning, and evolving into a new creation at the end.
The Lost World by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - A young man leaves home to find adventure so that he can court the woman he loves. He dives into danger, encounters strange and unusual creatures on a mysterious plateau in South America, and returns home to discover that the woman he fell in love with was never meant for him at all.
The Majipoor Chronicles by Robert Silverberg - Valentine is a juggler with amnesia. He must discover his true self to reclaim his legacy. He explores the bizarre world of Majipoor and eventually finds his way back to his castle, at the top of the highest peak of Majipoor. There are a lot of parallels with Homer's story here.
Otherland by Tad Williams - A group of strangers enter an virtual Matrix-like world and become trapped in a complex web of power games as those who rule planet earth seek to elevate themselves to immortal status. At one point the characters find themselves in a virtual simulation of the Trojan War, which is a pretty blatant homage to Homer. The protagonists didn't create the world, but they must learn to survive in it according to rules they barely understand.
All the stories above have common elements with The Odyssey. The main characters start out somewhat innocent of just how strange their universe is. Over the course of their adventures they draw attention to themselves from hostile actors who object to their interference and take steps to prevent them from reaching the end of their journey. They all have to learn to adapt to their environment and leverage their gifts and strengths to find creative solutions to the challenges they face. At the end, they all realize that they are NOT the person they were when they began their journey. If they experience a homecoming event, they may find out that they no longer belong at home and decide to continue on their journey (e.g., Edward Malone in The Lost World.)
Although this is a book thread, one of the best examples of The Odyssey's influence in television is Farscape. Astronaut John Crichton is sucked through a wormhole to a distant corner of the universe. He spends four seasons just trying to get home. Great show.
What other books have been influenced by Homer's The Odyssey? (It doesn't have to be fantasy or science fiction...in fact, that might be more interesting!)
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HEROES STILL MATTER -- Malcolm Guite's "Galahad and the Grail"
This video showed up in my YouTube feed recently. I immediately thought of JTB, who is a devoted fan of Malcolm Guite's poetry. I've also watched a few of Malcolm Guite's YouTube videos and have enjoyed them. One of the things that resonates with me in Rob's video above is that he is dedicating time and energy to share the reading experience with his own children, though his two-year-old might not be quite ready for it yet. He's using Galahad and the Grail to engage with his own children to teach them important moral lessons in life, which I think is fantastic. His children are going to grow up to become amazing people, I think. So kudos to Rob for sharing his own love of reading with his children and equipping them with the tools they will need to navigate the challenges of life later on.
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WHAT I'VE ACQUIRED RECENTLY
I continue to explore the Dune Expanded Universe written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson. I probably won't get ALL of them since I'm really not interested in the "interquel" novels about Paul Atreides early life. But I wanted to hit the high notes in the Dune universe.
My goal for the remainder of this year is to get through all of these books and also include a visit to the original Dune novels, of which I've only read the first three.
Legends of Dune: The Butlerian Jihad
Legends of Dune: The Machine Crusade
Legends of Dune: The Battle of Corrin
Great Schools of Dune: Sisterhood of Dune
Great Schools of Dune: Mentats of Dune
Great Schools of Dune: Navigators of Dune
Sequels: Hunters of Dune
Sequels: Sandworms of Dune
WHAT I'VE BEEN READING RECENTLY
Dune: House Harkonnen Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
This is the second novel in the Dune: Prequels series. It's basically setting up the major plot points that are going to occur in Dune. Even though it's titled House Harkonnen, the events in the story tend to oscillate between House Harkonnen and House Atreides with some sections devoted to Emperor Shaddam IV (House Corrino). The Tleilaxians that have conquered Ix are getting under everyone's skin. Their lead researcher is on the cusp of a major breakthrough with synthetic "spice," which threatens the established economic base of the Known Universe, as well as the power structures keeping that economy in place.
Dune: House Corrino by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
Duke Leto Atreides has had enough of Harkonnen treachery and the Emperor's tepid support. He launches a devastating attack on a major Harkonnen stronghold. He also pledges his full support to his childhood friend, the exiled Earl Rhombur Vernius of Ix. Together, they begin a daring campaign to recapture Ix from the vile Tleilaxians, who have enslaved the native population for their obscene biological experiments. We also witness the birth of Paul Atreides, who is destined to reshape the Known Universe.
Dune: The Butlerian Jihad by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
Over ten thousand years before the present era in the Dune universe, machines, led by the nearly omniscient and omnipotent Omnius, are conquering the Known Universe one planet at a time. "Cymeks" -- disembodied brains in robot bodies -- serve as generals in the robot armies, as they still possess the creative spark of innovation that machines are lacking. The humans wage guerrilla warfare against the machines, hoping to one day free themselves from their robotic masters. The Butlerian Jihad is THE key historical event in the Dune universe--their calendar starts from when humans are freed at the conclusion of the Butlerian Jihad, named for Serena Butler, one of their leaders.
One of the problems with prequel novels like this is that it does rely a lot on "memberberries" to tell the story:
'Member the "spice" that's central to the original Dune? Well here's the story of how it became the Known Universe's hottest commodity!
'Member the rivaly between House Atreides and House Harkonnen? Here's how it all started...
'Member the Holtzman generators that can fold space/time, suspend gravity, and provide personal shielding? Meet the man who created it, along with his talented assistant who made the real innovations!
...and so on.
Tips, suggestions, recommendations, etc., can all be directed to perfessor -dot- squirrel -at- gmail -dot- com.
Wandering around an antique store earlier in the week, I came upon a Booth Tarkington novel. It wasn't the Ambersons, but something else. I didn't buy it. What I did find elsewhere will be revealed tomorrow on the Book Thread.
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OrangeEnt , I await the book thread with baited breath
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 25, 2026 08:22 PM (xh8GK)
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It was near the end of vacation, we spent the day with oldest kid in her town before returning home, so cash was low. We went to her favorite shop and I scanned the book section. Just the usual old books, but I found one Rex Stout Nero Wolfe. I figured, why not? Wolfus speaks highly of them, and I'd seen the tv versions, so I pulled it from the shelf and kept looking. (con't)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 08:58 AM (1Ff7Z)
I went around the corner and found quite a few more on a little bookcase. Then a few more. Then a few more. They were all Bantam rereleases except for two, so I have to assume someone offloaded them all at once. I hurriedly sent an email to Wolfus asking him which ones to get, as I couldn't get them all. Sadly, he was unable to respond in time, but did give me a few titles to get later if I can, although they are apparently not Nero Wolfe stories.
I purchased three written in different decades to see how the writing and characters changed: Some Buried Caesar (193 - which I've started; The Silent Speaker (1946); and The Golden Spiders (1953).
I also picked up two Edgar Rice Burroughs paperbacks: The Moon Men (Ace): containing The Moon Men and The Red Hawk from 1925; and The Gods of Mars (Ballantine) from 1912. Should keep me in reading for a while.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 08:58 AM (1Ff7Z)
No new books to mention. Doing edits on my own novel.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:01 AM (qRla/)
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As always, pants are required, unless you are wearing these pants...
Talk about boney knees!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:01 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Tolle Lege
Yet been so busy as haven't picked up a book in awhile
Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2026 09:01 AM (Ia/+0)
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I've seen and heard just about enough about the Odyssey.
It's like Graham Platner's nipples. Too much.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 26, 2026 09:02 AM (JvZF+)
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I've flipped through copies of Iliad and Odyssey, but mythology (Greek, Roman, Egyptian) has never really interested me. And poetry is lost on me as well, so while I am a bit of an Arthurian buff, only the prose tales or the Morte speak to me.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:03 AM (qRla/)
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What other books have been influenced by Homer's The Odyssey? (It doesn't have to be fantasy or science fiction...in fact, that might be more interesting!)
Any hero's journey story.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:03 AM (1Ff7Z)
12I've seen and heard just about enough about the Odyssey.
It's like Graham Platner's nipples. Too much.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 26, 2026 09:02 AM (JvZF+)
It's this year's Angela's Ashes or The Name of the Rose. All the smaaaht people have to be seen with it or at it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:04 AM (qRla/)
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Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.
Posted by: JTB at July 26, 2026 09:05 AM (yTvNw)
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Sing, O muse, of the girl of cunning and courage, who was cast by ill winds into lands of danger, and endured many trials before her feet trod the familiar ground of Kansas once again . . .
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:06 AM (78a2H)
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(It occurs to me that could either refer to Dorothy or Mary-Anne.)
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:06 AM (78a2H)
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The Odyssey is one of those I've had on my TBR shelf for about 50 years, and just could never get get interested. I really oughta power through it, though, so I understand cultural references and literary derivations.
I've been enjoying my Scholastic Books version of "The Odyssey", which is written for the YA crowd but is still very droll. I'll get to the legit Odyssey later.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 09:08 AM (kpS4V)
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Literary pretentiousness indicator: how MANY editions of the Odyssey do you own?
We have four, not counting a couple of "Greek Myths For Kids" versions.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:09 AM (78a2H)
OE, the three you got are all good reads. Stout was a master craftsman and storyteller, and a wonder at characterization; it's the reason Wolfe and Archie live on today in the hearts of fans, and keep making new ones. Stout was not a dazzling puzzle plotter like Christie, Carr, or Queen, but he was great at introducing surprises -- and Archie's voice and his humor is incomparable.
Archie, on why Wolfe does not always tell him everything as they prepare to include a case: "The real reason is that he loves to have a curtain go up revealing him balancing a ball on the end of his nose."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:09 AM (wzUl9)
23Archie, on why Wolfe does not always tell him everything as they prepare to include a case: "The real reason is that he loves to have a curtain go up revealing him balancing a ball on the end of his nose."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:09 AM (wzUl9)
Holmes says in at least two of the adventures that he can't resist a touch of the dramatic.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:10 AM (qRla/)
24What other books have been influenced by Homer's The Odyssey? (It doesn't have to be fantasy or science fiction...in fact, that might be more interesting!)
Any hero's journey story.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026
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I understand, though I've never read it, James Joyce's Ulysses is another. (Duh.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:10 AM (wzUl9)
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I read the Iliad all the way through for the first time earlier this summer, but then went on a reading hiatus for a family vacation. Now that that's over, I plan to tackle the Odyssey next.
Posted by: Dr. T at July 26, 2026 09:11 AM (jGGMD)
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Speaking of ancient greek sea stories, anybody else ever read Robert Graves's novel about the voyage of the Argo -- Hercules My Shipmate? It's really good, and really feels like you're reading about the Bronze Age. The only problem I have with the book is that my copy is an elderly trade paperback on crumbly paper, so every time I read it more pages come loose.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:11 AM (78a2H)
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What other books have been influenced by Homer's The Odyssey? (It doesn't have to be fantasy or science fiction...in fact, that might be more interesting!)
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Never read Ulysses, or any Joyce for that matter, but it evidently was.
Also, Faulkner's As I Lay Dying, which I greatly enjoyed. The movie done a few years ago with Tim Blake Nelson as Anse was good too.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at July 26, 2026 09:11 AM (XvL8K)
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Now, after my rush of postings, I'll noodle around a while and wait for comments to build up so I can savor them. Not like anyone will notice I'm here anyway.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
Don't see that too often...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 26, 2026 09:00 AM (FZ29D)
It goes quite well with the Odyssean theme.
Posted by: TxAnn at July 26, 2026 09:13 AM (SjAWL)
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I wasn't planning it that way, because something like that had to be prewritten. I just noticed you'd posted early, so gave it a shot!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I like to post a couple of minutes early so that I can fix any errors that creep in that aren't visible in Pixy's preview mode.
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I read Amazing Grace: William Wilberforce and the Heroic Campaign to End Slavery by Eric Metaxas. Wilberforce was leading the life of a young, rich, upper class gentleman; a life of parties, drinking, and gambling until his religious conversion in 1784 at the age of 25. He then lived a life of Christian activism, primarily his 20-year fight to abolish the British slave trade, which he won in 1807. He than began working on legislation to abolish slavery in the British colonies, a victory he accomplished just three days before his death in 1833. Metaxas has written a compelling, well researched historical biography.
Posted by: Zoltan at July 26, 2026 09:13 AM (KUWG/)
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Apropos of the Book Thread, I dreamed last night that my mom leant me a Jeffrey Deaver book that I read in one sitting. It was from the perspective of a NYC college student (of course) accused of murdering a roommate she hadn't even met yet. It also involved the forensics of chewing gum and a.professor having to hide his Catholic faith at a very secular university.
Rarely have I wished that a book had been real.
Posted by: pookysgirl, almost home at July 26, 2026 09:13 AM (sYGSE)
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God help me, I did plow through Joyce's Ulysses, but I cannot say I enjoyed it. I wanted to like it — especially since Joyce claimed he was trying to capture what Dublin was like in 1904. I wanted that. Not what I got.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:14 AM (78a2H)
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I found that we have copies of Homer's works on our bookshelves. Must have been from when the kids were in high school.
Maybe I'll tackle it next year.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 09:14 AM (HEBVE)
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I couldn't decide what book to start next, so I marked time this past week with various comics -- the Spirit, the first year of Mike Grell's DC series The Warlord, and Mera, a DC miniseries whose title character, who's engaged to Aquaman, joins forces with a sworn enemy to take down an usurper of the throne of Atlantis, of which Mera is the rightful monarch. This was written by Dan Abnett, who with Andy Lanning came up with many of the concepts that were adapted into the "Guardians of the Galaxy" movies. The art was by Lan Medina, and it is beautiful.
This story was from 2018, which makes it the most recent DC comic I've read. But it was only a sideshow to the larger tale of civil war in Atlantis. I'll add that to the list.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 09:14 AM (HEBVE)
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I'm familiar with the stories in The Odyssey, but have never sat down and read the actual text.
Finally finished 'Not Stolen', by Jeff Fynn-Paul. Outstanding - I will keep it handy as a reference.
I have The Odyssey here, but it will have to wait, as my Ready Service Stack has 3 books ahead of it. First, we have to get across the Delaware with Washington and David Hackett Fischer.
Posted by: goatexchange at July 26, 2026 09:16 AM (hyS0X)
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Currently am deep into Stephen Hunter's Bob Lee Swagger story, The Third Bullet. Swagger is drawn into an investigation of the most discussed killing of the 20th Century, that of JFK. What I'm finding fascinating about it, beyond just the solid storytelling, is that Hunter has Swagger reach some deductive conclusions about the assassination that I have never run across before. They may or may not be original to Hunter, but I've never seen them spelled out before.
Earlier this week I read his G-Man, in which Swagger probes the career and character of his grandfather Charles, whom he never knew. Charles, he knew, was a deputy sheriff in Arkansas, but apparently he spent some time working with, or for, the FBI in 1934 and was involved in the killings of Dillinger, Charles "Pretty Boy" Floyd, and Lester Gillis, "Baby Face Nelson." The story moves back and forth between 1934 and 2017, the present of the novel, and is captivating.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:16 AM (wzUl9)
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I'm familiar with the stories in The Odyssey, but have never sat down and read the actual text.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 26, 2026 09:15 AM (FZ29D)
But there's a picture of you reading it!
Posted by: dantesed at July 26, 2026 09:16 AM (Oy/m2)
Posted by: gKWVE at July 26, 2026 09:17 AM (5as6N)
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The only problem I have with the book is that my copy is an elderly trade paperback on crumbly paper, so every time I read it more pages come loose.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:11 AM (78a2H)
Same with the ERB Moon Men. It's almost detached from the cover and I've seen loose pages inside. I'll have to be careful reading it.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Dan Simmons’ Olympus and Ilium are apparently Odyssey adjacent. I say apparently cuz I still haven’t worked up the energy to pull them down of the shelf…
Posted by: Buzz Krumhunger at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (MAEF4)
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OrangeEnt, you chose three winners. "The Golden Spiders" was my first Wolfe. "The Silent Speaker" offers a glimpse at the postwar years. "Some Buried Caesar" had a scene that me laugh iut loud.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (HEBVE)
44Now, after my rush of postings, I'll noodle around a while and wait for comments to build up so I can savor them. Not like anyone will notice I'm here anyway.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
I'm editing while I'm here, so I can go back and forth while waiting for comments.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (qRla/)
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After spending far too long slogging through the...unique...style of storytelling of "The Silmarillion," I decided I needed to read a more traditional fantasy novel. So I cracked open Howard Andrew Jone's "Lord of a Shattered Land," which had been on my TBR list for quite some time.
Alas, "Lord of a Shattered Land" is not actually a traditional fantasy novel. Instead, it is a sequence of short stories. Each chapter is a distinct, stand-alone adventure, like you might have found in "Weird Tales" magazine or other pulp publications. But the short stories are presented in order, and do add up to a grand adventure; ie, in chapter 1 a defeated General escapes from an island kingdom, in chapter 2 the General is sailing for home but stops on an island with a monster and some pirates, in chapter 3 he sabotages an outpost of the Evil Empire that defeated him. Etc. It's like reading about an epic quest, but skipping over any transitions between plot points. I'm enjoying it, but it's still an odd way to tell a story.
And with the sailing and island hopping, the first couple chapters are slightly Odyssey-ish...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:19 AM (3v7ra)
46I'm familiar with the stories in The Odyssey, but have never sat down and read the actual text.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 26, 2026 09:15 AM (FZ29D)
But there's a picture of you reading it!
Posted by: dantesed at July 26, 2026 09:16 AM (Oy/m2)
IIRC, it was Vic who told the Sirens to knock off the damn noise.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:19 AM (qRla/)
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Dan Simmons’ Olympus and Ilium are apparently Odyssey adjacent. I say apparently cuz I still haven’t worked up the energy to pull them down of the shelf…
Posted by: Buzz Krumhunger at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (MAEF4)
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Don't feel too bad. They're on my TBR pile as well...
Odyssey influence? One that doesn't turn up a lot these days is R. A. Lafferty's Space Chantey. Worth it just for the Vaughn Bode cover art (if you can find the old Ace Double).
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 09:20 AM (q3u5l)
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I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised to find Howard Andrew Jones writing something reminiscent of the old pulp short stories. I first discovered him as the editor of a couple anthology collections of Harold Lamb's "Cossack" short stories. The guy obviously appreciates the old ways of storytelling...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:21 AM (3v7ra)
51All the smaaaht people have to be seen with it or at it.
Yeah but it'll pass. It's only been that way for 2700 years or so.
You can afford to wait them out.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 26, 2026 09:21 AM (zdLoL)
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In my eighth-grade "Recreational Reading" class, kind of an English class disguised as fun, we studied The Iliad and Odyssey. Our teacher read to us from what I guess was a YA version of the texts, and we discussed them. Of course we had to learn the names of the Greek gods, and keep the various Greek heroes straight. But it was one of the few classes in my school years that I looked forward to every day.
(It might also have been that it was the last class of the day, and that a classmate who looked like the young Claudia Cardinale was seated right next to me.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:21 AM (wzUl9)
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Lord of a Shattered Land really is good. It's a genuine tragedy that the author died just as his book became a hit.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:21 AM (78a2H)
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Enjoyed Farscape and great analogy.
Never read odyssey or Iliad.
This past week I finished Whistler which i really liked. I had a few minor issues but overall enjoyed it. Flip side to that I did not care for Land (Maggie o’farrel) too many characters I ended up not caring for. I am probably in the small minority of those that while a nice book, wasn’t as enamored as others of Theo of Golden.
Posted by: Hyacinth at July 26, 2026 09:21 AM (EUqDx)
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Wanted to mention yesterday, a good Odysseus adaptation in the Return with Fiennes.
Currently reading/ listening Katherine Arden's The unicorn hunters, which is historical fiction with magical realism.
Quite excellent so far.
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Right this moment I'm whizzing through Heinlein's "The Man Who Sold the Moon", in which visionary tycoon D.D. Harriman tells his investors, the public, and the government everything they want to hear so they'll back his scheme to get to the Moon. The ultimate OPM. But it's interesting that Harriman wants the first lunar colony to be a sovereign entity. Did this short story connect at all to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 09:22 AM (kpS4V)
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Old General Fentiman was found dead at his club, of apparent heart failure. This caused quite a stir among the gentlemen, but when it is revealed that his estranged sister, who had married into great wealth, had that day died a few blocks away, and their wills were complimentary, it caused a conundrum. When had the general died? This is the opening of The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club by Dorothy Sayers.
Fentiman was discovered in the afternoon, which hinted that he had died later than his sister, and his heirs would receive their aunt's fortune, but when Peter Wimsey aids in moving the body to a less conspicuous room, he notes that rigor in one leg had already passed. Then, when Fentiman's lawyer reveals the two wills, he asks Wimsey to quietly investigate. A large amount was at stake, depending upon whom died first.
Why was old Fentiman not noticed in the club earlier? Why had no one seen him enter the club that morning? Who had motive to interfere? Between a distant niece who lived with the sister, and Fentiman's two grandsons, each had motive to either postpone or speed the official time of death. This is another 1920s mystery that shows the talent of Sayers.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 26, 2026 09:22 AM (0U5gm)
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It's not so hard to understand
When digits are a commodity
He's got three fingers on each hand
Now THAT is Homer's oddity...
BURMA SHAVE
...Doh!
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at July 26, 2026 09:23 AM (I0N4X)
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I also read The Delivery, the new novella by Greg Hurwitz, the author of the Orphan X series. A couple leading a frantic life of work and caring for their autistic daughter are offered a solution, "Mr. Man", a humanoid AI companion. They take delivery and welcome it into their home. Soon the house is running efficiently, meals cooked, cleaning and laundry done, errands run. The couple enjoy the reduction in stress and workload until inexplicable tragedies strike the neighborhood. Mr. Man isn't just following instructions, it's executing the couple's darkest desires. An interesting read.
Posted by: Zoltan at July 26, 2026 09:25 AM (KUWG/)
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I read a graphic-novel adaptation of "The Man in the Iron Mask," and frankly, I wish I hadn't. It was a roller-coaster of emotions. At first I didn't like it, because it felt like it was tarnishing the reputation of the heroes of "The Three Musketeers." But then the action picked up, and I started to enjoy it. Then the story pushed into the endgame, and I hated it. It's not surprising that this story is so rarely adapted, (compared to how often The Three Musketeers is adapted) nor that its story is so thoroughly re-written when it is adapted. This story was not intended to be a crowd pleaser...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:25 AM (3v7ra)
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I've put aside The Fifth Heart for now - not in tge mood
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Read the Rouse prose translation of the Odyssey in high school, and enjoyed it, but haven't read it since. Tried the Fitzgerald and the Fagles (?) quite a while ago, but for reasons known but to Zeus I always bog down when I try a really long work in verse. Sorry, Homer, Dante, and all you other epic-length poem guys.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 09:27 AM (q3u5l)
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What other books have been influenced by Homer's The Odyssey? (It doesn't have to be fantasy or science fiction...in fact, that might be more interesting!)
Any hero's journey story.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:03 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I have a feeling that some time in the future, Herman Wouk's "The Winds of War" and "War and Remembrance" will be recognized as the Homeric story of the mid-20th century.
Posted by: mrp at July 26, 2026 09:28 AM (rj6Yv)
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We've got the Rouse translations of The Iliad and The Odyssey, plus the B&N Palmer translation of the latter.
Posted by: Nazdar at July 26, 2026 09:28 AM (NcvvS)
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I have three editions of The Odyssey, Robert Fagles, Peter Green (the most recent), and Alexander Pope. I prefer the Fagles version. If I want a somewhat stripped down version that moves fast (the claim to fame of the Emily Wilson translation), I'll watch the Armand Assante TV miniseries.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 26, 2026 09:28 AM (6/7Fs)
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Hörrør author Grady Hendrix has a hilarious compendium of trashy book covers entitled "Paperbacks From Hell: the Twisted History of '70's and '80's Horror Fiction".
Hendrix has a great affinity with the un-PC, gleefully offensive, sex-o-matic crapulence of this era's spinrack schlock. Por exemplo: "The Little People" by John Christopher introduces us to the Gestapochauns, wee "psychic Nazi leprechauns who enjoy S&M, were trained as sex slaves for full-sized humans, and are actually stunted fetuses taken from Jewish concentration camp victims. And one is named Adolph."
There's one for your book club!
There are themes: young women in diaphanous nightgowns running away from scary castles; Satan, sex, and succubi; creepy kids; killer critters (with a strong showing from killer crabs, for some reason); demonic possession; and knife-wielding psychos.
Hendrix's delight in paperback cover trash is palpable. He tips the dumpster over and rolls around in the garbage.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 09:28 AM (kpS4V)
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Perfessor Squirrel, I sure do appreciate your contributions to the blog. Your book thread is friendly and open and your comments throughout the day often make me think or chuckle or both. Thank you for being you!
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at July 26, 2026 09:29 AM (OlzlW)
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59 I also read The Delivery, the new novella by Greg Hurwitz, the author of the Orphan X series.
Posted by: Zoltan at July 26, 2026 09:25 AM (KUWG/)
Oooh, I'll look for that. I'm really liking Greg Hurwitz. I suppose we have a while to wait for a new Orphan X, if there will ever be another.
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I think Joseph Campbell definitely tried to force too much Jungian Deep Significance into the Hero's Journey. It's just storytelling best practices, honed and tested over scores of cultures and centuries. Hero starts out poor and obscure, so the audience sympathizes. Gets the call to adventure, but maybe isn't sure about it, raising tension. Goes off to the Place of Adventure, because stuff like that can't happen in your neighborhood. Gets a mentor, partly to explain how an ordinary poor obscure mook can ever prevail over supernatural bad guys. Encounters the Goddess/Temptress because sex sells. Et cetera . . . If the stories fit a single pattern (and ruthlessly cherry-picking your examples makes sure of that, Mr. Campbell) then it's just because that pattern works.
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 09:30 AM (78a2H)
72 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:16 AM (wzUl9)
Wolfus, I'll ask Mrs. E to put that series in her cart since I have a lot of points, and after all, who needs another claw hammer?
Posted by: Eromero at July 26, 2026 09:30 AM (LHPAg)
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Accomack’s “Odyssey: A Heroic Battle against Elbow Tendonitis” is a gripping yet painful read.
Posted by: Accomack at July 26, 2026 09:31 AM (GbONR)
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The Unicorn Hunters main character is Anne of Brittany, who is being coerced into marrying Charles of France so as to be annexed, and buys time with the scheme of first holding a unicorn hunt, with herself as "bait" whilst she is still a pure maiden.
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Finished Dan Simmons' "Ilium" and Olympos" both last week. Science fictionalized, and frankly, bonkers versions of the Iliad and Odyssey. Loved them both and highly recommend them.
Now reading Simmons' "Carrion Comfort," which is an incredibly dark and violent tale of what can only be called "Mind Vampires," evil people with the power to control other people . . . with their minds . . . I'm enjoying it despite how dark it is.
Up next will be Simmons' "The Abominable," a tale of Antarctic exploration and monsters.
You can tell I'm on a Dan Simmons deep read. Best known for the Hyperion Cantos, he was an amazing author who could pretty much write anything. May he rest in peace.
Posted by: Sharkman at July 26, 2026 09:32 AM (/RHNq)
76. Did this short story connect at all to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026
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I don't think Harsh Mistress is part of his Future History, the saga that includes Lazarus Long. Whereas MWStM is.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:33 AM (wzUl9)
The second part of the Moon Men, the sorta sequel The Red Hawk, has some of best Edgar Rice Burroughs writing. He was known for ideas and tropes, not style.
Where he describes a peaceful Earth culture, taken over by more vigorous attackers, he was prescient of today's EU.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 26, 2026 09:34 AM (u82oZ)
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Whenever one uses "between Scylla and Charybdis" in a conversation, the people listening often tilt their head like a confused dog.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 26, 2026 09:34 AM (0U5gm)
Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 26, 2026 09:34 AM (u82oZ)
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Perfessor Squirrel, I sure do appreciate your contributions to the blog. Your book thread is friendly and open and your comments throughout the day often make me think or chuckle or both. Thank you for being you!
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at July 26, 2026 09:29 AM (OlzlW)
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Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you appreciate my contributions.
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I was reading a crime/mystery comic book, and came across an issue centered around a convict about to be executed. So, I groaned and waited for the inevitable moment where the author stopped the story to lecture the audience with his thoughts on the death penalty. That moment did come, but only on the letters page at the end of the comic, so it didn't come at the expense of the story. And the lecture itself? To paraphrase it, the author said "This story couldn't actually happen, because the state of New York (where the story takes place) doesn't have the death penalty. But maybe it should."
That genuinely surprised me. I didn't think people were allowed into the comic book industry unless they were a lefty of some stripe. But that comic was from the early 90's, so maybe the gatekeeping wasn't quite as bad back then. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if the author hadn't been pushed out of the industry since then.
I probably would have enjoyed the story much more if I hadn't been expecting 'the sucker punch' as this blog used to call it. Now that I know nothing is coming, maybe the story will be better on the re-read...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:35 AM (3v7ra)
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The Burma Shave remark reminds me of "The Verse by the Side of the Road," a history of Burma-Vita Co. and its roadside advertising. It includes every Burma Shave jingle.
I read this many times in my youth. I have a copy, but I don't recall whether I took it from the folks' house or bought my own.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 09:35 AM (HEBVE)
Centipede Press is actually going to do a hardcover reissue of The Little People some time this year or early next. It'll be pricey, though, as they deal in small print runs of classic/cult sf, fantasy, and horror. I've got several of their books and they're really nice -- lots of extras, essays on the books, cover reproductions, signed by contributors and authors if they're able. But pricey.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 09:35 AM (q3u5l)
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65 We've got the Rouse translations of The Iliad and The Odyssey, plus the B&N Palmer translation of the latter.
Posted by: Nazdar at July 26, 2026 09:28 AM (NcvvS)
That Rouse Edition is so blazing fast, you can rip through it in 4 minutes, tops.
Posted by: Eromero at July 26, 2026 09:36 AM (LHPAg)
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You can tell I'm on a Dan Simmons deep read. Best known for the Hyperion Cantos, he was an amazing author who could pretty much write anything. May he rest in peace.
Posted by: Sharkman at July 26, 2026 09:32 AM (/RHNq)
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Yeah, he seems like he was a very talented writer who could delve into any genre he wanted.
I really need to up my game by reading more of his works. ("Ilium" and "Olympus" are on my TBR pile, I swear!)
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Good morning all.
Ended up with 5 books from the library this week, so nad to carve out extra time for reading. Finished the Sandford book which was good but got a bit grisly towards the end. Serial,killers tend to escalate the violence just before they are caught. They stop being careful as the insanity grows worse. Do you find this this theme in detective novels?
The one I read for the Mystery Club at the library this coming Tuesday turned out to be a fun read. I am so curious about what this group will be like. The book was completely apolitical so I have hope.
I'll report next week.
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Reading a stand alone Robert A Heinlein short story, A Tenderfoot in Space. On my Kindle.
I did not remember reading it in Requiem: New Collected Works by Robert A. Heinlein and Tributes to the Grand Master.
It is an emigration of a Scout with his family and dog to a wet Venus. Not up to his usual juvenile book standards, but has some interesting parts.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (u82oZ)
89. . . Serial,killers tend to escalate the violence just before they are caught. They stop being careful as the insanity grows worse. Do you find this this theme in detective novels? . . .
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 26, 2026
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Sometimes, if a murderer (even if sane) has embarked on a plan which requires only one or two killings, he can find himself trapped by his own plan and forced to commit more. See Ellery Queen's Double, Double.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (wzUl9)
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What other books have been influenced by Homer's The Odyssey?
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All of them !
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (GD0B3)
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Prompt: It was a dark and stormy night in the style of Homer.
Response: Sing, O Muse, of night deep-shadowed and wind-lashed, when Zeus hurled his storm over the earth, and the black sky groaned with thunder. The sea heaved like an ox in pain, and the rain fell in spears upon the roofs of men.
Posted by: Welcome to AI at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (2Ez/1)
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Either the Iliad or the Odyssey. Every writer (well, Western) began his literary journey by reading these books.
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026 09:41 AM (GD0B3)
93Sorry, Homer, Dante, and all you other epic-length poem guys.
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Homer's Odyssey in Just Five Lines
Returning from the great Trojan War
Heard sweet-sounding music from the shore
Escaped from Circe's piggy sty
Whirlpool, Spider, Cyclops' eye
Got back home...let the bodies hit the floor!
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at July 26, 2026 09:42 AM (I0N4X)
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Sharkman…
Up next will be Simmons' "The Abominable," a tale of Antarctic exploration and monsters.
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Ha ha, hoo boy are you in for a surprise
Posted by: Buzz Krumhunger at July 26, 2026 09:42 AM (MAEF4)
An executive summery of an executive summary of a Cliff Notes summary of a long book.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 26, 2026 09:44 AM (u82oZ)
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68 Hörrør author Grady Hendrix has a hilarious compendium of trashy book covers entitled "Paperbacks From Hell: the Twisted History of '70's and '80's Horror Fiction".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 09:28 AM (kpS4V)
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Homer codified the "initial conflict, then rising action, then climax, then aftermath" storytelling pattern of Western civilization. Since he was probably writing down stories that had been told in oral form earlier, I wonder if that sequence was built into those tales from the earliest days of man? That there is something in mankind's mind that requires those elements in that order?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:45 AM (wzUl9)
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Perfessor,
Thanks for including the Rob Pirie video about Galahad and the Grail. I enjoyed his enthusiasm for the book. I've read a number of comments that discuss including it for home schooling. Even young ones who can't get the moral aspects apparently enjoy the ballad poetry and adventurous parts.
BTW, the appendices in Galahad and the Grail include descriptions of some of the sources Guite used in deciding what parts of the legends to include. They are so much more, and more varied, than just Le Morte D'Arthur. For my taste that information is worth the price of the book.
Now I can say I've read a verse translation of the Odyssey. As can all the Book Thread's many inmates.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 09:45 AM (q3u5l)
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>>That Rouse Edition is so blazing fast, you can rip through it in 4 minutes, tops.
Yeah, those were the ones from high school, both freshman year. My mother has the Pope translations in beautiful hardcovers - my father had purchased several dozen excellent hardcover books between finishing service and marrying. Probably will be mine after Mom's gone - sister had expressed interest, but she downsized when they moved west and she gave me some of her books.
Posted by: Nazdar at July 26, 2026 09:45 AM (NcvvS)
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Centipede Press is actually going to do a hardcover reissue of The Little People some time this year or early next. It'll be pricey, though, as they deal in small print runs of classic/cult sf, fantasy, and horror. I've got several of their books and they're really nice -- lots of extras, essays on the books, cover reproductions, signed by contributors and authors if they're able. But pricey.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 09:35 AM (q3u5l)
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That's great! They're like medieval monks preserving knowledge of the classical era.
I don't necessarily want to read "The Little People", I just want it on a shelf in the guest room for friends to stumble upon and recoil in horror (or delight).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 09:45 AM (kpS4V)
As long as we're balming in Gilead
We might was well do such a silly a
damn thing as glimpsin'
a scene from The Simpsons
And skip over all of The Iliad.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 26, 2026 09:46 AM (zdLoL)
106The Burma Shave remark reminds me of "The Verse by the Side of the Road," a history of Burma-Vita Co. and its roadside advertising. It includes every Burma Shave jingle.
I have that book. It's a great read.
I loved the story about the company putting up a series: "Old MacDonald / On the farm / Shaved so hard / He broke his arm / Then he tried / Burma-Shave" only to find out the land was actually owned by a farmer named MacDonald.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:46 AM (qRla/)
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I wonder if that sequence was built into those tales from the earliest days of man? That there is something in mankind's mind that requires those elements in that order?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
*polite cough*
Posted by: The Garden of Eden at July 26, 2026 09:47 AM (2Ez/1)
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I'm still only partly into the introduction of my Fagles Iliad hardcopy vs blew through the entire audio version which had a different much shorter intro. Narrated by Derek Jacobi & Maria Tucci it was a great performance. I'll add the audio Fagles Odyssey into the tbr rotation but unfortunately it's not the same narrator team.
Been a long time since reading the Rouse Homer translations, but the desire to re-read the iliad surfaced awhile ago and there's lots of commentary on 'best' translations (Fitzgerald Iliad has also been sitting in a wishlist I peruse often).
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 26, 2026 09:48 AM (KaHlS)
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35 I couldn't decide what book to start next, so I marked time this past week with various comics -- the Spirit, the first year of Mike Grell's DC series The Warlord, and Mera, a DC miniseries whose title character, who's engaged to Aquaman, joins forces with a sworn enemy to take down an usurper of the throne of Atlantis, of which Mera is the rightful monarch. This was written by Dan Abnett, who with Andy Lanning came up with many of the concepts that were adapted into the "Guardians of the Galaxy" movies. The art was by Lan Medina, and it is beautiful.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 09:14 AM (HEBVE)
For some reason "The Spirit" is something I've never sought out... I recently tried getting back into Grell's "Warlord" omnibus (getting into year 3) but then immediately got distracted again, this time with "Excalibur" and "Nightfall." And the aforementioned "The Man in the Iron Maks" comic...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:48 AM (3v7ra)
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That's great! They're like medieval monks preserving knowledge of the classical era.
Posted by: All Hail Eris,
There is probably more value in preserving past pop culture than we realize, since commies are so intent on erasing and rewriting it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 09:50 AM (kpS4V)
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"initial conflict, then rising action, then climax, then aftermath" storytelling pattern of Western civilization. Since he was probably writing down stories that had been told in oral form earlier, I wonder if that sequence was built into those tales from the earliest days of man?
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Here an even older one! Hero leads exalted life, makes a shocking discovery (initial conflict), abandons this life to find truth(rising action), comes back with truth, destroys an Empire (climax), establishes a civilization (aftermath). Old story, about 3,500 years old. There is even a written record of it!
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026 09:50 AM (GD0B3)
I'm very much looking forward to any surprise he hits me with.
Posted by: Sharkman at July 26, 2026 09:51 AM (/RHNq)
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I have another Grady Hendrix on my TBR pile, 2018's We Sold Our Souls. I don't think it's fantasy, but more of a road trip story, featuring a young woman who was guitarist for a heavy metal band in the '90s. I'm curious about it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:52 AM (wzUl9)
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OrangeEnt, you chose three winners. "The Golden Spiders" was my first Wolfe. "The Silent Speaker" offers a glimpse at the postwar years. "Some Buried Caesar" had a scene that me laugh iut loud.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (HEBVE)
I've just read two chapters so far.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:54 AM (1Ff7Z)
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There once was a man named Odysseys,
Who measured his life by the seas.
He bargained with storms,
Defied ancient forms,
And puzzled the proud with his pleas.
The winds learned the sound of his name,
Though each shore insisted the same:
"No wanderer stays,
Who lives by the waves,
Without paying a tithe to the flame."
He dined with the gods and their pride,
Met monsters no map could describe.
With wit for a sword,
More sharp than a lord,
He weathered what strength couldn't bide.
Posted by: runner writes ChatGPT poems at July 26, 2026 09:54 AM (GD0B3)
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And skip over all of The Iliad.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver
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Touché!
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at July 26, 2026 09:54 AM (I0N4X)
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The stars were his oldest allies,
Bright lanterns that watched from the skies.
Though kingdoms grew dim,
They whispered to him,
"The truest of homes never dies."
At last, when the voyage was through,
He found what he'd searched the world to pursue:
Not glory or gold,
Nor stories retold,
But hearts that remembered him true.
Posted by: runner writes ChatGPT poems at July 26, 2026 09:54 AM (GD0B3)
Posted by: runner writes ChatGPT poems at July 26, 2026 09:55 AM (GD0B3)
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I'm editing while I'm here, so I can go back and forth while waiting for comments.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (qRla/)
I do that once in a while, MP. I've recently restarted writing, and I'll write a bit, check the comments, and write a bit again. I don't want to rush through and keep hitting that F5.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:55 AM (1Ff7Z)
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There once was a goddess named Athena,
Whose wisdom burned brighter than any arena.
She carried no boast,
Yet inspired the most,
With a calm that could silence a fevered demeanor !
Posted by: runner writes ChatGPT poems at July 26, 2026 09:56 AM (GD0B3)
122 "Some Buried Caesar" had a scene that me laugh iut loud.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026
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I've just read two chapters so far.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026
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SBC was probably my mother's favorite as well. When Stout moves Wolfe out of his house, his usual orbit and environment, it's always startling -- like seeing a statue suddenly move.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:56 AM (wzUl9)
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IIRC, it was Vic who told the Sirens to knock off the damn noise.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:19 AM (qRla/)
Joan Collins was a great looking Siren.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 09:57 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I was in a Barnes and Noble, and found some "modern retelling" of The Odyssey. I flipped through it, and found some character calling Odysseus "Daddy". Put it back in disgust and despaired for society.
Posted by: Nancy@7000ft at July 26, 2026 09:57 AM (4qIhJ)
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There's a lot of discussion of seafaring books above, which I skip right by. Anything that gets characters out on the water bores me rigid. My senior year of high school we read Moby Dick, presented as the great American novel, and I was like, there are no female characters. It's a man and a fish. Hello?
I'm not defending that, I'm just saying. Is that because I was raised in landlocked Montana? Because I'm female?
Do other readers have equal blind spots?
Posted by: Wenda at July 26, 2026 09:57 AM (UDQz0)
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There once was a god named Zeus
Who stitched bright storms through heaven's blues.
He gathered thunder in his hand,
And crowned the peaks of every land.
Posted by: runner writes ChatGPT poems at July 26, 2026 09:58 AM (GD0B3)
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115 I have another Grady Hendrix on my TBR pile, 2018's We Sold Our Souls. I don't think it's fantasy, but more of a road trip story, featuring a young woman who was guitarist for a heavy metal band in the '90s. I'm curious about it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:52 AM (wzUl9)
I was just casting about for an audiobook to listen to when I imprison myself in the kitchen for the afternoon. That one's available. I'll take it.
128 read The Odyssey
in junior high, but not in
true Homeric Greek
Posted by: Don Black at July 26, 2026 10:01 AM (ZxPkt)
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I always bog down when I try a really long work in verse. Sorry, Homer, Dante, and all you other epic-length poem guys.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 09:27 AM (q3u5l)
Well, they're meant to be heard, not read, JSG.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:02 AM (1Ff7Z)
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That there is something in mankind's mind that requires those elements in that order?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:45 AM (wzUl9)
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Reality.
Fiction is an imitation of reality, and myths are drawn from that. They resonate because we see examples of them all around us. History repeats itself for a reason.
Because I'm late, I don't know if anyone had mentioned Tolkien's essay "Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics" which basically destroyed the academic establishment's view of Beowulf as having multiple authors, having silly digressions and so on. The same can be said for Homer and all of our surviving ancient tales. They were saved because they were important and resonate because they are in some sense very real.
Attempt to strip out or explain away the gods are pointless because people don't make stuff up out of whole cloth - the write what they know. One cannot claim that people who understood how to build triremes and massive temples (and therefore understood cause and effect) were so stupid that they randomly did things because of oracles.
The spirit world is real, and Homer described it as he knew it.
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Read 111 Days in Stanleyville, a 1965 book by David Reed, a friends godfather. About the Simba uprising in the Congo the year prior.
Reading about it reminded me just how screwed up the time were from 1958 or so, when I first started reading newspapers, thru the mid sixties. You had sputnik and the Russian menace, followed in short order by all the African independence movements, the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya, the Cuban missile crisis, Mao's cultural revolution, SDS and the weather underground at home, etc.
I don't recall hearing all the exisential bitching that you seem to hear nowadays. It was life, deal with it.
Posted by: From about That Time at July 26, 2026 10:03 AM (sl73Y)
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Don't think ever even tried reading The Odyssey
Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2026 10:03 AM (Ia/+0)
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My top Wolfe recommendations are Murder by the Book, Might As Well Be Dead, and The Mother Hunt. All three show Wolfe and Archie in their "everyday" work lives. The Black Mountain is in another class entirely, involving Wolfe leaving his home, as are the three Arnold Zeck stories (Zeck was Wolfe's Moriarty).
For the novelettes, try "Die Like a Dog," "The Gun With Wings," and "Disguise for Murder," with "The Squirt and the Monkey" close behind.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:03 AM (wzUl9)
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I guess my favorite part was when Odysseus has himself lashed to the mast, so he can hear The Sirens
Posted by: Don Black at July 26, 2026 10:03 AM (ZxPkt)
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I had a prof who tried to teach us ancient Greek (which is a bit different than modern Greek) , so we could read what remains of Heraclitus' writing.
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026 10:04 AM (GD0B3)
136I had a prof who tried to teach us ancient Greek (which is a bit different than modern Greek) , so we could read what remains of Heraclitus' writing.
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026
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Fleming had Bond say that he had Latin and Greek at school, which proved to be "no use at all in ordering a cup of coffee in Rome or Athens."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:05 AM (wzUl9)
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Now reading Simmons' "Carrion Comfort," which is an incredibly dark and violent tale of what can only be called "Mind Vampires," evil people with the power to control other people . . . with their minds . . . I'm enjoying it despite how dark it is.
Posted by: Sharkman at July 26, 2026 09:32 AM (/RHNq)
So, democrats.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:05 AM (1Ff7Z)
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>>>I've seen and heard just about enough about the Odyssey.
It's like Graham Platner's nipples. Too much.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
>It's never been done before. Wasn't that ridiculous but entertaining film, 'O Brother, Where Art Thou?' loosely based on the Odyssey? There's your modern benchmark.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 26, 2026 10:06 AM (3oLiU)
139I don't recall hearing all the exisential bitching that you seem to hear nowadays. It was life, deal with it.
Probably because mood-altering drugs, therapists and [your affliction here] acceptance weren't infesting societies then.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 10:07 AM (qRla/)
140 Wasn't that ridiculous but entertaining film, 'O Brother, Where Art Thou?' loosely based on the Odyssey? There's your modern benchmark.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 26, 2026
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Yes. There are captivating, singing women in it, and John Goodman plays an immensely strong fellow with one eye.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:08 AM (wzUl9)
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Read Rise of the Ranger by Phillip Quintrell. It an elf and dragon high fantasy book but has very strong Odyssey themes.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 26, 2026 10:08 AM (VCgbV)
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The second part of the Moon Men, the sorta sequel The Red Hawk, has some of best Edgar Rice Burroughs writing. He was known for ideas and tropes, not style.
Where he describes a peaceful Earth culture, taken over by more vigorous attackers, he was prescient of today's EU.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 26, 2026 09:34 AM (u82oZ)
I'm gonna finish the Wolfe book first, then read The Moon Men. How many parallels to modern life. The foreword of the book indicates part of the reason for losing was Earth Quislings.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
Posted by: Don Black at July 26, 2026 10:08 AM (ZxPkt)
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I'm editing while I'm here, so I can go back and forth while waiting for comments.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 09:18 AM (qRla/)
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I just loaded a post to my blog. Both on the Prayer Thread and here, I tackle other writing project, like editing an article for Bleeding Fool or putting a post together.
I save my serious writing for the evening as I like to immerse myself in it.
I've paused my work for the time being as there is too much else to do around the house before school starts. If I'm not moving things, I thinking about where to move them. School also calms the grandkids and they go to bed early, which provides the quiet essential for concentration.
That, and I'm binging on Justified with my daughter. Just started season 3. It's my first re-watch and it has aged very well. How could a show like that air in 2015 and then wokeness immediately descend upon us all?
Which lets me out for the foreseeable future. I've not been able to sit down with an audiobook unless I'm stuck with a long bus ride and I don't do that any more. I've got a few discs of Harlan Ellison reading his stories (and he was an excellent reader for his own stuff and others), but the only way I could use them was on the bus or on the two-mile walk to work before I retired.
Oh, well...
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 10:10 AM (q3u5l)
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"This story couldn't actually happen, because the state of New York (where the story takes place) doesn't have the death penalty. But maybe it should."
A point that indicates why Mr. Blue decided to touch the third rail....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I don't recall hearing all the exisential bitching that you seem to hear nowadays. It was life, deal with it.
Posted by: From about That Time
Don't talk to me that way, I survived the Andrea Doria sinking!
Posted by: Mr Eldridge at July 26, 2026 10:12 AM (R0XxO)
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Dealing with Galahad and the Grail has led me to the idea of preserving history and culture through story telling. Martin Shaw, not the actor, is especially effective at this in his books. A delightful find has been Kipling's Puck of Pook's Hill, a combination of poetry and stories he wrote for his children. It takes young children on adventures at different points of British history through the magic of Puck. Each chapter starts and ends with a poem. Some of Tolkien's most charming writing was done for his young children: Letters from Father Christmas and Mister Bliss. There are similar elements in the Children of Green Knowe series.
Posted by: JTB at July 26, 2026 10:12 AM (yTvNw)
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We had two modern fluent good-looking Greek girls sign up for Attic class, thinking it would be an easy ἁ.
It was not. They did last-minute drops and smote oars.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 26, 2026 10:13 AM (zdLoL)
Castle Guy, try The Spirit. The late, lamented Kitchen Sink Press published all the postwar stories as a comic book series. I have them all.
For those who don't know, The Spirit -- created and drawn by Will Eisner -- was the lead feature in an eight-page comics insert in Sunday papers, mostly major metros. The Spirit took seven pages each week. Each story stood on its own, but they sometimes served as chapters in a longer tale.
The Spirit himself is Denny Colt, a brawny criminologist who is thought dead by everybody but Police Commissioner Dolan and his daughter, Ellen. To maintain the fiction of his "death," Colt constantly wears a simple domino mask, which Eisner grew to hate.
He's assisted by Ebony White, a black child who's wiser beyond his years. Modern audiences are uncomfortable with Ebony, because he's drawn to resemble a chimpanzee. The panel also relied on ethnic humor and dialog.
Nevertheless, there's a reason why The Spirit is still revered by comics aficionados. Check it out.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 10:14 AM (1+dbC)
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OK, folks, I've knocked off a couple of chapters. It's such a lovely day out, I think I shall run up a playlist and go for a drive.
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 26, 2026 10:18 AM (qRla/)
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I never thought of Farscape being a Space Odyssey but it checks out.
I think though that the Odyssey is just a trope of life so not really original itself. Man has always ventured out in search of something.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:18 AM (KC5Lt)
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SBC was probably my mother's favorite as well. When Stout moves Wolfe out of his house, his usual orbit and environment, it's always startling -- like seeing a statue suddenly move.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:56 AM (wzUl9)
I'm actually surprised that Wolfe likes beer. I figured he'd be a fine wine man. He turned down a higball, said Archie would like it.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:21 AM (1Ff7Z)
Theodore Roosevelt is one of at least a half dozen people with enough experience and adventures to feed a never ending reading list. Death on the River of Doubt is a short 'young adult' history.
During the 1913–1914 expedition Roosevelt almost died & had fever & delirium. As he drifted in and out of consciousness, he repeatedly recited the opening stanza of Samuel Taylor Coleridge’s poem Kubla Khan.
Xanadu is the opening song of the new Rush tour. Most of the Lyrics are directly from or inspired by the Coleridge poem.
A week before their new tour started I had this song stuck in my head. Made me wonder if Scott Adams was right about a simulation.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 26, 2026 10:21 AM (KaHlS)
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I think though that the Odyssey is just a trope of life so not really original itself. Man has always ventured out in search of something.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:18 AM (KC5Lt)
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It's entirely possible the ancient Greeks had many such oral traditions, but they have been lost to time.
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Do other readers have equal blind spots?
Posted by: Wenda at July 26, 2026 09:57 AM (UDQz0)
Not blind, but taste. I don't like fantasy, but I've read a couple for critiquing, and seeing what the genre was about. Just not interested.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:23 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I'm thinking of Abraham and his family moving from Ur to a land they had no idea about and all the trials and tribulations they went through. Predates the Odyssey bigley.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:24 AM (KC5Lt)
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If you want to cause hipsterish annoyance to the crowds gushing about the Illiad and the Odyssey, casually mention they aren't as good as the four *missing* poems from the Trojan War epic, but "you probably haven't heard of them" (Cypria, Aethiopis, Little Iliad, and Iliupersis)
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at July 26, 2026 10:25 AM (ee9bx)
159I'm actually surprised that Wolfe likes beer. I figured he'd be a fine wine man. He turned down a higball, said Archie would like it.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026
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Beer was Wolfe's drink right from the beginning in 1934, right after Prohibition ended, in Fer-de-Lance. Archie, too, broke the expected private-eye mold in preferring milk to liquor most of the time. (The aforementioned pilot with William Shatner even has him as Archie drinking milk at one point.)
You'll find Wolfe speaks a bit more, has slightly longer speeches, in the pre-war books as compared to the post-wars. And Archie becomes more polished. In the first three of four novels he says things like "That don't matter," but his English (after years of contact with Wolfe) becomes better later.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:26 AM (wzUl9)
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Fantastic Factoid: celebrated SF/Fantasy/Horror illustrator Rowena Morrill also did a Metallica album cover (No Life 'til Power) and two of her famous cover paintings decorated the walls of one of Saddam Hussein's love nests! Talk about range.
https://www.erbzine.com/mag8/0869.html
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 10:28 AM (kpS4V)
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156 I think though that the Odyssey is just a trope of life so not really original itself. Man has always ventured out in search of something.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:18 AM (KC5Lt)
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It's entirely possible the ancient Greeks had many such oral traditions, but they have been lost to time.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 26, 2026 10:21 AM (FZ29D)
I read or heard somewhere that we have historical references to many epic poems besides The Iliad and Odyssey, but no/few copies of them. Homer's works were just so good/popular that they kind of snuffed out any competitors. In an age where manuscripts had to be copied by hand, not many people bothered to hand-copy sub-par works...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 10:28 AM (3v7ra)
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Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:25 AM (3v7ra)
Did it strike you as a middle finger from the author for all his readers who insisted on yet another sequel? G.R.R. Martin could point to that book as an excuse for his unhappy endings of characters.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (lFFaq)
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Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 10:28 AM (3v7ra)
@159
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (GD0B3)
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In my novel, which may never be published, the heroes, two Iowa farm boys, go through the Ogallala Aquifer under Nebraska to get to Colorado. The West has been depopulated by drought and the aquifer is largely a giant cavern populated by a renegade subculture. The scenes were influenced by Dante and I include several Easter eggs from The Inferno, but Dante was influenced by The Odyssey.
Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (tRYqg)
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Our local town built a new library. Finally finished it (well, is anything the government builds ever really finished, but I digress), so they took all the books from the old library and dumped them on their affiliated used book store. My latest find is The Hero With A Thousand Faces, a collection of unpublished works by Joseph Campbell. It appears to have never been opened. Seems appropriate for today's topic.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (QaH55)
You saw the show? I was there for their only initial performance in Fort Worth. That was last month. I consider myself lucky; I would have hated to have driven all that way, only to be met with a cancellation.
Posted by: Weak Geek at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (1+dbC)
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157 Do other readers have equal blind spots?
Posted by: Wenda at July 26, 2026 09:57 AM (UDQz0)
Not blind, but taste. I don't like fantasy, but I've read a couple for critiquing, and seeing what the genre was about. Just not interested.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:23 AM
Science fiction.
I barely understand the world we live in. Don't want to have a learn another one.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM (2Ez/1)
Posted by: runner at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM (GD0B3)
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Good morning! I've been doing lots of book reading lately, with a couple still in process:
Finished:
The Women of Arlington Hall by Jane Healey- this is an historical novel about the SIS codebreakers in the early days of the Venona Project. It was more fluffy than I was expecting, but it did provide some useful background on their efforts;
Young Philby by Robert Littell- another historical novel about the recruitment and early work of Kim Philby as a Russian spy. I didn't realize that it was a fictional work when I bought it but I think it stuck pretty close to the facts in its treatment of the Cambridge Five;
Relic- by Preston and Child- the first novel in their Pendergast series is about a monster on the loose in the New York Museum of Natural History. The whole story takes place within a matter of days and the chase scenes go on for pages and pages, but I couldn't put it down!
Working on:
Jude the Obscure by Thomas Hardy
Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant, so that's my Ulysses!
Posted by: Moonbeam at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM (Lzhdy)
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With the fanfare about the Odyssey movie and the popularity of Galahad and the Grail I wonder if there will be a move towards other classic tales and literature. Perhaps Beowulf, The Aeneid, Canterbury Tales, Chesterton's Ballad of the White Horse, Tennyson's Idylls of the King.
I remember when there was a huge todo whenever a new Harry Potter book was released. We went to one at the local Barnes and Noble, a midnight party on the first day it could be sold. The place was packed with kids and young parents. The kids were often in some kind of costume and were so excited. (For amusement, my beard was grizzled back then, not white, and I'm a good sized guy. A few of the little ones whispered about Hagrid when they glanced my way.)
I noticed a number of the older children, maybe 5th and 6th grade or middle school age, were also getting copies of The Hobbit, LOTR, and the Narnia books. Seems the Harry Potter books had ignited a love of reading literary adventure books.
Posted by: JTB at July 26, 2026 10:31 AM (yTvNw)
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159 If you want to cause hipsterish annoyance to the crowds gushing about the Illiad and the Odyssey, casually mention they aren't as good as the four *missing* poems from the Trojan War epic, but "you probably haven't heard of them"
(Cypria, Aethiopis, Little Iliad, and Iliupersis)
Posted by: Sabrina Chase
Somehow I fell into a 'Grok' hole on this topic about a month ago. Apparently most survived until Byzantine fell.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 26, 2026 10:32 AM (KaHlS)
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We had two modern fluent good-looking Greek girls sign up for Attic class, thinking it would be an easy ἁ. It was not. They did last-minute drops and smote oars.
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I love stories like this.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 26, 2026 10:33 AM (3ElP1)
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had a prof who tried to teach us ancient Greek.
Old Greek homos.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 26, 2026 10:33 AM (dpAEq)
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You saw the show? I was there for their only initial performance in Fort Worth. That was last month. I consider myself lucky; I would have hated to have driven all that way, only to be met with a cancellation.
Posted by: Weak Geek
No, I'm just enjoying the never ending youtube versions!
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 26, 2026 10:34 AM (KaHlS)
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Science fiction. I barely understand the world we live in. Don't want to have a learn another one
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I like some Sci-Fi, what I didn’t understand was people taking it so very seriously and getting super exercised about this or that. it isn’t real. It’s a fantasy, so it doesn’t really matter. It’s fun to have a hobby, but don’t let it consume you.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 26, 2026 10:36 AM (3ElP1)
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>Do other readers have equal blind spots?
Posted by: Wenda at July 26, 2026 09:57 AM (UDQz0)
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I prefer non-fiction to fiction
Posted by: Don Black at July 26, 2026 10:36 AM (ZxPkt)
They didn't keep anything from the existing collection when they moved to the new library? Jeez. When our town built a new one and closed down the old Carnegie for lack of space, they at least kept the books.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 10:37 AM (q3u5l)
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168- Science fiction.
I barely understand the world we live in. Don't want to have a learn another one.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM
I'm right there with you, QT!
Posted by: Moonbeam at July 26, 2026 10:37 AM (Lzhdy)
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Somehow I fell into a 'Grok' hole on this topic about a month ago. Apparently most survived until Byzantine fell.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 26, 2026 10:32 AM (KaHlS)
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This is one of the things I find very annoying about modern scholars. I'm working my way through City of God and as he goes along, St. Augustine offers lessons on word origins and their meaning, and then the meathead translator will drop a footnote saying that modern linguists say he's wrong.
Oh, the guys who have to make up words in lost languages know more than the dude with copies of those languages sitting next to him? I think I'm going with a guy who could actually have a copy of Claudius' Etruscan dictionary vs the people playing guessing games.
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163 Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 09:25 AM (3v7ra)
Did it strike you as a middle finger from the author for all his readers who insisted on yet another sequel? G.R.R. Martin could point to that book as an excuse for his unhappy endings of characters.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (lFFaq)
If that comment was in regards to "The Man in the Iron Mask," then, yes, it did strike me as the author trying to piss off his fans. "Oh, you liked my characters? Well, too bad! They all become sad, pathetic failures, and die miserably! Suck on that, peons!"
...Either that, or Alexander Dumas is a fan of tragedy, whereas I am not...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 10:39 AM (3v7ra)
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Sometimes, if a murderer (even if sane) has embarked on a plan which requires only one or two killings, he can find himself trapped by his own plan and forced to commit more. See Ellery Queen's Double, Double.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (wzUl9)
Status Christie's Poirot makes that point repeatedly.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:41 AM (lFFaq)
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Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at July 26, 2026 10:29 AM (tRYqg)
How far along are you with it now?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:42 AM (1Ff7Z)
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My blind spot, I guess, is the romance genre. The classical detective story is just as constrained by its requirements as romance is, but somehow romance stories, unless they're really well done, display the bones of their structures even more. Or maybe I dislike the usual covers for romances.
That's not to say I don't like a good love story. That contained within Stephen King's 11/22/63 is a good one, and that in Glenn Savan's White Palace is another.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:42 AM (wzUl9)
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168- Science fiction.
I barely understand the world we live in. Don't want to have a learn another one.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM
I'm right there with you, QT!
Posted by: Moonbeam at July 26, 2026 10:37 AM (Lzhdy
I'm not a SciFi fan either with one very big exception.
Armor by John Steakley
It has the best opening chapters of any book I've read. And the rest is almost as good.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:42 AM (KC5Lt)
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What the neck autocucumber?! How does Agatha become "status"?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:42 AM (lFFaq)
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I love historical fiction. Steven Pressfield is my favorite author for that genre.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:44 AM (KC5Lt)
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186 What the neck autocucumber?!
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:42 AM (lFFaq)
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I find I'm not much interested in most current sf/fantasy any more. I used to keep up, but stopped trying somewhere around 20 years ago. For that matter, I stopped trying to keep up with current fiction 20 years ago. Looking at the shelves I find that except for reprints of older work, there's not a lot here that's less than 30 years old.
The world of publishing didn't stop, but I seem to have pretty much managed to get off.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 10:44 AM (q3u5l)
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Sometimes, if a murderer (even if sane) has embarked on a plan which requires only one or two killings, he can find himself trapped by his own plan and forced to commit more. See Ellery Queen's Double, Double.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (wzUl9)
Status Christie's Poirot makes that point repeatedly.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:41 AM (lFFaq)
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This also happens in Dean Koontz novels. The villain thinks they are committing the perfect crime, but events spiral out of their control and they need to escalate their actions--piling up more dead bodies--and that eventually leads to their downfall.
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Science fiction.
I barely understand the world we live in. Don't want to have a learn another one.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM (2Ez/1)
Most of it's just scene setting, at least for me. The story itself is plain old adventure in my SF book.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:45 AM (1Ff7Z)
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If that comment was in regards to "The Man in the Iron Mask," then, yes, it did strike me as the author trying to piss off his fans. "Oh, you liked my characters? Well, too bad! They all become sad, pathetic failures, and die miserably! Suck on that, peons!"
...Either that, or Alexander Dumas is a fan of tragedy, whereas I am not...
Posted by: Castle Guy at July 26, 2026 10:39 AM (3v7ra)
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That is not at all how I read the ending. Dumas follows the characters to their deaths (well, most of them).
I don't think the deaths are shameful at all. D'Artagnon dying as a Marshal of France in his moment of triumph was a fitting end for such a guy dedicated to fighting. Porthos lived the good life and likewise went down like a Musketeer. Athos is the one we feel sorry for, and of course Aramis is still alive at the end of the book, albeit as a general of Jesuits.
192 Science fiction.
I barely understand the world we live in. Don't want to have a learn another one.
I've read a lot of SF. And there are all sorts of worlds people have created. And while many of them are worse then ours, I've yet to read one that was *dumber* then our current one
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"Sometimes, if a murderer (even if sane) has embarked on a plan which requires only one or two killings, he can find himself trapped by his own plan and forced to commit more. See Ellery Queen's Double, Double.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 09:40 AM (wzUl9)"
And if memory serves, see also Simenon's The Hatter's Ghosts.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 26, 2026 10:47 AM (q3u5l)
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Ok. I really need to figure out how to turn off autocucumber on this tablet. Now it's just mocking me.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:47 AM (lFFaq)
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Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:45 AM (1Ff7Z
Yes Armor is like Firefly except the opening chapters. You kind of forget it's SciFi.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:47 AM (KC5Lt)
Posted by: Moonbeam at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM (Lzhdy)
That sounds like the title of an 1890s girls novel.
Posted by: They're in love with the Dover Boys at July 26, 2026 10:47 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Earlier this week I read his G-Man, in which Swagger probes the career and character of his grandfather Charles, whom he never knew. Charles, he knew, was a deputy sheriff in Arkansas, but apparently he spent some time working with, or for, the FBI in 1934 and was involved in the killings of Dillinger, Charles "Pretty Boy" Floyd, and Lester Gillis, "Baby Face Nelson." The story moves back and forth between 1934 and 2017, the present of the novel, and is captivating.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere
I enjoyed that book.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at July 26, 2026 10:48 AM (ndZc7)
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Posted by: Nazdar at July 26, 2026 09:45 AM (NcvvS)
I believe that Pope is the translation used by Librivox.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 10:48 AM (lFFaq)
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And it's time, maybe, to retire the serial killer story for a while. I guess they still sell. But once you've read Thomas Harris's first two Hannibal Lecters, Ellery Queen's Cat of Many Tails, and a few others, it seems as though authors are reaching really hard to find the next thrill or the next shocking outrage. Not to mention modern serial killer stories all involve the FBI, and I'm a bit tired of that deal where the lead investigator has to confront or conquer his own demons in order to trap the Minnesota Shrike, or whatever the latest serial murderer is nicknamed.
(Yes, the "Minnesota Shrike" is mentioned in passing in Harris's Red Dragon as one of Will Graham's past cases.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:49 AM (wzUl9)
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Sometimes, if a murderer (even if sane) has embarked on a plan which requires only one or two killings, he can find himself trapped by his own plan and forced to commit more.
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Isn't this, too, the story of the Clintons?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at July 26, 2026 10:51 AM (ndZc7)
203I've read a lot of SF. And there are all sorts of worlds people have created. And while many of them are worse then ours, I've yet to read one that was *dumber* then our current one
Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2026
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How about the Hoka stories by Gordon Dickson and Poul Anderson? A race of sentient teddy bear-like beings who are imitative to a fault, and immediately seize on human cultural tropes for their own. Comedy gold.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:52 AM (wzUl9)
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180 ... "This is one of the things I find very annoying about modern scholars. I'm working my way through City of God and as he goes along, St. Augustine offers lessons on word origins and their meaning, and then the meathead translator will drop a footnote saying that modern linguists say he's wrong."
AHL,
This resonates with me. The smug arrogance of much of academia is irritating, to put it mildly. So many of these people's knowledge (forget wisdom entirely) has the depth of a shallow puddle but they have a piece of overpriced paper saying they must be respected. It's the same shit as enviro-weenies and no-nothing politicians saying 'it's settled science'.
Posted by: JTB at July 26, 2026 10:52 AM (yTvNw)
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Perfessor, check your inbox.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 26, 2026 10:50 AM (RkR9o)
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Got it!
It has the best opening chapters of any book I've read. And the rest is almost as good.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026
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I met Steakley at an SF convention long ago, when Armor had just been published. Never got to know him well. (He had too much of an eye for Mrs. Wolfus No. 2.)
Some fans then complained that he was just riffing on Heinlein's Starship Troopers. I don't know; I need to read the novel.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:55 AM (wzUl9)
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I began to understand Dumas and his characters when I learned that his father was Haitian, a giant of a man and regarded as the best soldier in Napoleon's army. He rose in rank and reputation, but at some point Napoleon became viciously jealous of him and had him imprisoned on a pretext for years.
You can find echoes and versions of Dumas' father in almost every story he wrote.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2026 10:55 AM (edUvp)
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I mostly read history, historical fiction but have some interest in scifi yet don't get to it much.
Somehow in life never got into ancient history.
Posted by: Skip at July 26, 2026 10:55 AM (Ia/+0)
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197- The Women of Arlington Hall by Jane Healey
Posted by: Moonbeam at July 26, 2026 10:30 AM (Lzhdy)
That sounds like the title of an 1890s girls novel.
Posted by: They're in love with the Dover Boys at July 26, 2026 10:47 AM
That pretty much sums it up! But I have a bad habit of finishing books, even if they're not what I expected going in.
Posted by: Moonbeam at July 26, 2026 10:57 AM (Lzhdy)
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AHL,
This resonates with me. The smug arrogance of much of academia is irritating, to put it mildly. So many of these people's knowledge (forget wisdom entirely) has the depth of a shallow puddle but they have a piece of overpriced paper saying they must be respected. It's the same shit as enviro-weenies and no-nothing politicians saying 'it's settled science'.
Posted by: JTB at July 26, 2026 10:52 AM (yTvNw)
"That guy who spoke the language and wrote about what he knew 1700 years ago is all wrong, we know much better now."
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 26, 2026 10:58 AM (edUvp)
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Yes Armor is like Firefly except the opening chapters. You kind of forget it's SciFi.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:47 AM (KC5Lt)
Of course, having space ships and space travel sort of keeps it in mind. I see it only as a skeleton to hang the story on. What subgenre of SF my story is/should be classified as is something I need to figure out before publishing it.
Moki has read it, I should probably ask her what she thinks it is, space opera, mil-sf, adventure, etc.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 10:58 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:55 AM (wzUl9)
Nothing like it except who they were fighting. And that was just setting the scene. Ender's Game fighting the same enemy too ( never read it just know from the movie)
You should read it though.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 10:58 AM (KC5Lt)
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Martians, Go Home is a comic science fiction novel by American author Fredric Brown.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 26, 2026 10:59 AM (sxoZQ)
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Posted by: JTB at July 26, 2026 10:12 AM (yTvNw)
YouTube has a "Amelia Sings.." channel that has been working through Killings poems. Puck's Song is a recent addition.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 11:00 AM (lFFaq)
216The Women of Arlington Hall by Jane HealeyEric "Otter" Stratton
Now that sounds intriguing!
( -- Members of Delta Tau Chi, Faber College chapter)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 11:00 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 26, 2026 11:03 AM (sxoZQ)
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I'm a bit tired of that deal where the lead investigator has to confront or conquer his own demons in order to trap the Minnesota Shrike, or whatever the latest serial murderer is nicknamed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:49 AM (wzUl9)
Aw crap.
(thinks of deleting "The Shadow Stalker: A Richard Allen Mystery")
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026 11:03 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I was introduced to The Odyssey in eighth grade. In English class we read the story of Polyphemus from the Robert FitzGerald translation.
The next year there was a textbook for English: the last two portions of which were dedicated to The Odyssey and Great Expectations. We were supposed to read that POS by Dickens, and I read about as much as I could stand before I succumbed to the temptation of The Odyssey. My grades suffered but I didn’t give a damn. Great Expectations was shit. The Odyssey? Bad Ass.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 26, 2026 11:06 AM (4g5V+)
221134 I guess my favorite part was when Odysseus has himself lashed to the mast, so he can hear The Sirens
Posted by: Don Black at July 26, 2026 10:03 AM (ZxPkt)
Well the danger on the rocks is surely past
Still I remain tied to the mast.
Posted by: Name that contemporary song at July 26, 2026 11:06 AM (dJeAh)
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Anyone read any Pat Conroy besides his big three, The Great Santini, Lords of Discipline and Prince of Tides?
I read those three which were excellent but never tried any of his other books.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 11:07 AM (KC5Lt)
223I'm a bit tired of that deal where the lead investigator has to confront or conquer his own demons in order to trap the Minnesota Shrike, or whatever the latest serial murderer is nicknamed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026
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Aw crap.
(thinks of deleting "The Shadow Stalker: A Richard Allen Mystery")
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 26, 2026
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Don't mind me. If you can find a new way to handle it, maybe with humor, I'm all for it!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 11:08 AM (wzUl9)
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I don't read non fiction. I read to escape reality. I like books with both strong male and female characters. I like being surprised with a twist I didn't see coming. I want to get lost in a book, not analyze it.
That is my problem with the hullabaloo about the Odyssey. The literature and or the movie should stand up on it's own. It seems the only enjoyment of the movie depends on whether you like Nolan as a director or you like critiquing movies.
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Fantasy I could never get with. Sci-fi I had better luck with. I have Dune and Starship Troopers here.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 26, 2026 11:09 AM (4g5V+)
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I'm going to stand up for science fiction here. It's not "just" fantasy because the whole point of SF is that it might someday be real. Look at how the current debates about AI are influenced by a century of SF about robots and computers. Meanwhile we've had a century of fantasy about wizards and prophecies but those aren't making headlines and probably never will. At its best science fiction says "this could happen" and the reader has to decide "do I want that to happen?"
Posted by: Trimegistus at July 26, 2026 11:09 AM (78a2H)
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A race of sentient teddy bear-like beings who are imitative to a fault, and immediately seize on human cultural tropes for their own. Comedy gold.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:52 AM (wzUl9
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Galaxy Quest!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 11:10 AM (kpS4V)
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Good morning Hordemates.
Yes, I too, like so many others, have begun rereading The Odyssey. I'm finding it much like I did in high school, both fun and annoying. I never did look up all those names.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2026 11:11 AM (2WIwB)
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Obviously there is a huge difference between the Fantasy and SciFi genres right?
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 11:11 AM (KC5Lt)
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>>I believe that Pope is the translation used by Librivox.
Wouldn't be surprised - doubt any other version would be public domain. Never listened to audiobooks, though why they would appeal for verse is obvious. For me, ear-to-brain works well for music and conversation, not for other information.
Posted by: Nazdar at July 26, 2026 11:11 AM (NcvvS)
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209 I mostly read history, historical fiction but have some interest in scifi yet don't get to it much.
Somehow in life never got into ancient history.
Posted by: Skip
I blame Jerry Pournelle for my interest in Ancient history. Was legitimately unhappy when I found out that the names of ALL of the three hundred were not actually currently known.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 26, 2026 11:12 AM (KaHlS)
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How about the Hoka stories by Gordon Dickson and Poul Anderson? A race of sentient teddy bear-like beings who are imitative to a fault, and immediately seize on human cultural tropes for their own. Comedy gold.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:52 AM (wzUl9)
Loved those so much. Perfect intro to sci-fi for any adolescent females of your acquaintance.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2026 11:12 AM (lFFaq)
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Am I the only one who notices that on the book cover up top the Greek guy on the right side looks like he's playing with himself??
Posted by: dantesed at July 26, 2026 11:13 AM (Oy/m2)
234A race of sentient teddy bear-like beings who are imitative to a fault, and immediately seize on human cultural tropes for their own. Comedy gold.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 10:52 AM (wzUl9
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Galaxy Quest!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Hoka stories, which are laugh-out-loud funny, inspired parts of that movie and the Trek episode "A Piece of the Action."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 11:13 AM (wzUl9)
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>>> 229 Obviously there is a huge difference between the Fantasy and SciFi genres right?
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 11:11 AM (KC5Lt)
90% crap.
Well, *everything* is 90% crap.
Posted by: Theodore Sturgeon at July 26, 2026 11:13 AM (vDZgA)
236Am I the only one who notices that on the book cover up top the Greek guy on the right side looks like he's playing with himself??
Posted by: dantesed at July 26, 2026
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Left-handed, yet!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 26, 2026 11:14 AM (wzUl9)
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Speaking of SciFi was anyone else annoyed that in the movie AI they made the viewer think the beings at the end were Aliens instead of advanced AI beings. I like the story better if they were Aliens.
Posted by: polynikes at July 26, 2026 11:14 AM (KC5Lt)
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I might be interested in the Otherworld (book 1) , but none of the reviews I read on amazon.com mention a Trojan War virtual world.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 26, 2026 11:14 AM (qrdJM)
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Am I the only one who notices that on the book cover up top the Greek guy on the right side looks like he's playing with himself??
Posted by: dantesed at July 26, 2026 11:13 AM (Oy/m2)
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Now that you mention it, that is a rather unfortunate oar placement...
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Am I the only one who notices that on the book cover up top the Greek guy on the right side looks like he's playing with himself??
Posted by: dantesed
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Hey, it's a long journey! An odyssey, if you will.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 26, 2026 11:15 AM (kpS4V)
241 The episode in The Odyssey where Odysseus's old dog Argos recognizes him on his return, wags his tail, and dies always increases the dust in the room.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 26, 2026 11:15 AM (O0L8i)
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