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Hmm: Former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Recruited as a Spy by Israel; Israel Hoped He Could Take Control of Iran After Assassinations of Iran's President and His Advisors
But plans tend to not survive first contact with the enemy. A rector from the University of Budapest sent an invitation to Ahmadinejad to attend a "climate change" conference. His hope was to get him close to Israeli delegates so that they could talk and maybe eventually broker a peace treaty.A key part of the plan was that Kurdish Iranians would march on Tehran. But, as Trump lamented months ago, that never happened. That was supposed to be the ground element which is absolutely essential in actually winning a war.
The yearslong effort to groom the former Iranian president as an intelligence asset culminated in a dramatic effort to take him to an Israeli safe house in the early days of the war. But the plan fell apart. ... Mr. Ahmadinejad's 2024 visit to the university and a second one the following year were part of a yearslong Israeli effort to groom him as an intelligence asset who, when the time came, could be installed as Iran's new leader, according to both American and Iranian officials familiar with the operation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive intelligence. Recruiting Mr. Ahmadinejad was of such priority for Israel that the country's then-spy chief David Barnea even traveled to the Hungarian capital in 2024 to meet with Mr. Ahmadinejad personally, according to former American officials. Soon afterward, they said, Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence service, notified the C.I.A. that it had been in contact with Mr. Ahmadinejad. Israel's decision to build a regime-change plan around Mr. Ahmadinejad is an extraordinary twist in the saga of the country's relations with the former president, who was known for accelerating Iran's nuclear program, calling regularly for the destruction of Israel and denying the Holocaust.
In recent years, according to American officials, Israel secretly paid money to Mr. Ahmadinejad for housing and travel, and Israeli operatives met him abroad on several occasions, including during his trips to Budapest. ... The effort culminated in late February of this year -- during the first days of the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran -- with an audacious operation to relocate the former leader, who had been living under strict surveillance in Tehran. The goal: to set in motion the plan to topple the current regime and install Mr. Ahmadinejad. The plan failed.
On Feb. 28, an Israeli airstrike hit Mr. Ahmadinejad's compound, targeting the building of his bodyguards and his armored vehicle. After the strike, according to four senior Iranian officials, a black Peugeot car arrived, picked up Mr. Ahmadinejad and whisked him away at high speed from the chaotic scene. American and Iranian officials with knowledge of the operation said the car had been driven by Mossad operatives, who took Mr. Ahmadinejad to a secret safe house in Iran. But the former Iranian leader was upset about the frantic rescue operation, and he appeared to be disillusioned about the Israeli plan to return him to power, according to people with knowledge of what occurred. He eventually left the safe house under circumstances that are still unclear. Mr. Ahmadinejad was not seen in public again until last Monday, when he made a brief appearance at the funeral procession for the slain supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. His current status remains uncertain. But four senior Iranian officials said that Mr. Ahmadinejad was in the custody of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' intelligence wing, under house arrest now that Iran has learned about much of his interactions with Israel.
Israeli officials have not commented publicly about the plan to install Mr. Ahmadinejad as Iran's leader, which was part of a broader attempt to topple the government in Tehran. Another element involved arming and training Iranian Kurdish opposition forces based in northern Iraq to cross into western Iran, hold territory there and eventually move toward the capital Tehran, an effort that never manifested.It's not clear to me if Ahmadinejad had actually turned spy or was merely taking Israel's money while feigning interest. I guess it's reassuring to know that there was a plan for regime change... but this plan seems to have been pretty smokey from the start.
... Mossad officials did not respond to requests for comment. Ali Akbar Javanfekr, a spokesman for Mr. Ahmadinejad, declined to comment.
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howdy
Posted by: doug at July 13, 2026 02:11 PM (B1+sW)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:12 PM (2YhKe)
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NY Times ? I call BS
Posted by: It's me donna at July 13, 2026 02:13 PM (FtULh)
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You think this is news?
Looks like I might be common law husband of the next US Senator from Sakkaliner
Looks like I might be common law husband of the next US Senator from Sakkaliner
Posted by: Miklos and Darline get along just fine at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (bziMQ)
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th
Posted by: Bosk at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (VMFAF)
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Now, we have to ask: is THIS a disinformation campaign to make the Iranians distrust each other more?
Not that I care either way. Pass the popcorn.
Not that I care either way. Pass the popcorn.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (N1DT3)
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A plan so retarded only an intelligence agency would come up with it.
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (TbWk/)
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TJM thanks for the heads up on Goodluck Have fun Dont die My wife and I loved it
Posted by: doug at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (B1+sW)
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Expecting "Imadinnerjacket" to somehow take charge over the Mullah's and IRGC was always a pipe dream.
There are multiple power centers in Iran, and the elected officials are the weakest of them.
There are multiple power centers in Iran, and the elected officials are the weakest of them.
Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at July 13, 2026 02:15 PM (MNCvZ)
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A plan so retarded only an intelligence agency would come up with it.
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (TbWk/)
We'll file it next to exploding cigars.
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (TbWk/)
We'll file it next to exploding cigars.
Posted by: CIA Librarian at July 13, 2026 02:15 PM (wVcYX)
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8 TJM thanks for the heads up on Goodluck Have fun Dont die My wife and I loved it
Posted by: doug at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (B1+sW)
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Darn tootin'.
Posted by: doug at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (B1+sW)
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Darn tootin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:16 PM (GKzf4)
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Say hello to our little friend: Mr. Abyss.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:16 PM (YlWIZ)
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Israel missed him so they planted this story to get Iran to handle it for them...
Posted by: Inogame at July 13, 2026 02:16 PM (53oGX)
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The story is too farfetched to be taken seriously. It is fedslop or Mossadslop.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 13, 2026 02:17 PM (RIvkX)
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Alternate title: Israel floats plan to get IRGC to whack Mahmoud Ahmadinijad.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:17 PM (vSvIl)
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So if you make all the gangsters think the guy is a rat, the guy is pretty much screwed, even if he's not a rat. Sucks to be him. Ahmadinejad deserves it, anyway.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at July 13, 2026 02:17 PM (QaH55)
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I mean, can you trust that pint sized islhamist?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:17 PM (2YhKe)
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7 A plan so retarded only an intelligence agency would come up with it.
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron
CIA had equally lame plans and I'm sure that the KGB produced lemons instead of workable plans at times. Regime change is a stupid sidestep that absent total war, has little chance for a permanent fix. The Kaiser and his crew thought shipping Lenin to Russia in a sealed car was a good idea--what could go wrong for Germany if Lenin caused a revolution in Russia?
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron
CIA had equally lame plans and I'm sure that the KGB produced lemons instead of workable plans at times. Regime change is a stupid sidestep that absent total war, has little chance for a permanent fix. The Kaiser and his crew thought shipping Lenin to Russia in a sealed car was a good idea--what could go wrong for Germany if Lenin caused a revolution in Russia?
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM (E4rtv)
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We just automatically believe this stuff now?
Posted by: Nothing to see here at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM (CQ3Qb)
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Repeatedly, the Kurds have accepted US money and equipment with an agreement about some action they would take, then just disappeared.
Repeatedly, the Kurds have accepted US money and equipment with an agreement about some action they would take, then just disappeared.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM (VWtfl)
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Don't you have to kinda sorta make sure your asset is fully turned or sufficiently compromised BEFORE you use them for something big? I mean, I'm no spook but that just seems to make sense.
Posted by: First, assume a perfectly spherical puppet dictator at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM (TbWk/)
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Stories of this or that regime figure being recruited by Israel pop-up fairly frequently. For example, there's been a consistent rumor about Esmail Qaani...he was even (allegedly) arrested after dear leader's bunker exploded from direct contact with a missile. But somehow he , head of Quds Force, survived !
Posted by: runner at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM (GD0B3)
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I recommended that exact Kurdish invasion plan right at the beginning of the Iran War.
Still waiting for it to happen. It's till the best plan.
Average Iranians aren't soldiers. They would fight like amateurs.
The Kurdish guerrills are trained soldiers. They have fighting experience. They know how to shoot to kill.
We should be arming the Kurds on their promise to march on Tehran. Tell them we'll support a breakaway independent state for them, once the mullahs are out.
Do it.
Still waiting for it to happen. It's till the best plan.
Average Iranians aren't soldiers. They would fight like amateurs.
The Kurdish guerrills are trained soldiers. They have fighting experience. They know how to shoot to kill.
We should be arming the Kurds on their promise to march on Tehran. Tell them we'll support a breakaway independent state for them, once the mullahs are out.
Do it.
Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM (Av6i5)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (RkR9o)
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Any plan that doesn't end with Ahmadinejad hanging from a crane is a bad plan, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (4NO2D)
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (/WQyy)
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (XuXeR)
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I thought he was killed in the early strikes?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (1Ff7Z)
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I'm no spook but that just seems to make sense.
Posted by: First, assume a perfectly spherical puppet dictator at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM
Racist!!!
Posted by: First, assume a perfectly spherical puppet dictator at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM
Racist!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (2YhKe)
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I guess they (we) were hoping for something dramatic like the Česká Družina after WW1. Which slipped away from Kolchak's forces and joined the Czechoslovakia instead. Pretty much invented Czechoslovakia.
Posted by: gKWVE at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (gKWVE)
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16 So if you make all the gangsters think the guy is a rat, the guy is pretty much screwed, even if he's not a rat. Sucks to be him. Ahmadinejad deserves it, anyway.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder
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I find it difficult to care who is the king rat on the garbage heap of Iran. Better for us to keep producing openings for advancement in the ranks via bombs and missiles for the meanwhile.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder
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I find it difficult to care who is the king rat on the garbage heap of Iran. Better for us to keep producing openings for advancement in the ranks via bombs and missiles for the meanwhile.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (E4rtv)
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Besides, NYT just recently told us that Israel uses rape dogs to assault balestenians.
Posted by: runner at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (GD0B3)
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Say hello to our little friend: Mr. Abyss.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:16 PM
*stares*
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:16 PM
*stares*
Posted by: Mr. Abyss at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (bFu5X)
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Mitch has visitors:
https://tinyurl.com/377reajz
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (RkR9o)
How tall was Michael Jackson? I thought John Wayne was 6'3" or so.....
https://tinyurl.com/377reajz
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (RkR9o)
How tall was Michael Jackson? I thought John Wayne was 6'3" or so.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (2YhKe)
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rector from the University of Budapest"
*watches slow pitch *
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM
Fine.
Rector? I hardly knew her!
*watches slow pitch *
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM
Fine.
Rector? I hardly knew her!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 13, 2026 02:21 PM (bFu5X)
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Turkey hates the Kurds more than anyone. Trump just made besties with Erdogan so the Kurd plan may be sidetracked for other reasons.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:21 PM (/WQyy)
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>>>A key part of the plan was that Kurdish Iranians would march on Tehran.
No, seriously. This time we will not pull away the football
No, seriously. This time we will not pull away the football
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:22 PM (rbvCR)
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29 I'm no spook but that just seems to make sense.
Posted by: First, assume a perfectly spherical puppet dictator at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM
Racist!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (2YhKe)
What is it, 1956?
Posted by: First, assume a perfectly spherical puppet dictator at July 13, 2026 02:18 PM
Racist!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:19 PM (2YhKe)
What is it, 1956?
Posted by: To Thao I leave my Gran Torino at July 13, 2026 02:22 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2026 02:22 PM (uzmqU)
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31 I find it difficult to care who is the king rat on the garbage heap of Iran. Better for us to keep producing openings for advancement in the ranks via bombs and missiles for the meanwhile.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (E4rtv)
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The population is probably starving.
The blockade and sanctions are back on, meaning that Iran made somewhere between nothing and peanuts on the oil they could get out (most is still at sea, so little money has actually changed hands from the few people willing to buy Iranian oil at all).
Iran received $0 from the $300 billion investment fund and $0 from the $12 billion frozen assets because they simply wouldn't operate like a normal country.
That's probably a greater effect on the nation that most of the bombing.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:20 PM (E4rtv)
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The population is probably starving.
The blockade and sanctions are back on, meaning that Iran made somewhere between nothing and peanuts on the oil they could get out (most is still at sea, so little money has actually changed hands from the few people willing to buy Iranian oil at all).
Iran received $0 from the $300 billion investment fund and $0 from the $12 billion frozen assets because they simply wouldn't operate like a normal country.
That's probably a greater effect on the nation that most of the bombing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:22 PM (GKzf4)
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:23 PM (/WQyy)
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Now, we have to ask: is THIS a disinformation campaign to make the Iranians distrust each other more?
I doubt the NYT would support any op that advanced US interests.
I doubt the NYT would support any op that advanced US interests.
Posted by: Halfhand at July 13, 2026 02:23 PM (bDp6B)
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23 I recommended that exact Kurdish invasion plan right at the beginning of the Iran War.
Still waiting for it to happen. It's till the best plan.
Average Iranians aren't soldiers. They would fight like amateurs.
The Kurdish guerrills are trained soldiers. They have fighting experience. They know how to shoot to kill.
We should be arming the Kurds on their promise to march on Tehran. Tell them we'll support a breakaway independent state for them, once the mullahs are out.
Do it.
Posted by: zombie
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Kurds are not a monolith and Iranian Kurds are not the same as Iraqi Kurds who are not the same as Syrian/Turkish Kurds. And none of those surrounding states want a Kurdistan on their borders.
Reportedly, Iranian Kurds took the arms, money, and Starlinks and at least sold off the Starlinks if not gave them to the regime.
Minority groups are difficult to manage for regime change as they have a natural tendency to focus on their interests rather than broader strategic interests of the sponsoring nation.
Still waiting for it to happen. It's till the best plan.
Average Iranians aren't soldiers. They would fight like amateurs.
The Kurdish guerrills are trained soldiers. They have fighting experience. They know how to shoot to kill.
We should be arming the Kurds on their promise to march on Tehran. Tell them we'll support a breakaway independent state for them, once the mullahs are out.
Do it.
Posted by: zombie
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Kurds are not a monolith and Iranian Kurds are not the same as Iraqi Kurds who are not the same as Syrian/Turkish Kurds. And none of those surrounding states want a Kurdistan on their borders.
Reportedly, Iranian Kurds took the arms, money, and Starlinks and at least sold off the Starlinks if not gave them to the regime.
Minority groups are difficult to manage for regime change as they have a natural tendency to focus on their interests rather than broader strategic interests of the sponsoring nation.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:24 PM (E4rtv)
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A plan so retarded only an intelligence agency would come up with it.
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (TbWk/)
And we will extract the embassy personnel currently hiding in the Canadian embassy via bicycle, concealed as a hapless group of bicyclists.
Posted by: The military intelligence oxymoron at July 13, 2026 02:14 PM (TbWk/)
And we will extract the embassy personnel currently hiding in the Canadian embassy via bicycle, concealed as a hapless group of bicyclists.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:24 PM (rbvCR)
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42 Now, we have to ask: is THIS a disinformation campaign to make the Iranians distrust each other more?
I doubt the NYT would support any op that advanced US interests.
Posted by: Halfhand at July 13, 2026 02:23 PM (bDp6B)
No but it might have been leaked to them knowing they would publish it...
I doubt the NYT would support any op that advanced US interests.
Posted by: Halfhand at July 13, 2026 02:23 PM (bDp6B)
No but it might have been leaked to them knowing they would publish it...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 13, 2026 02:24 PM (FtULh)
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Kurds are not a monolith and Iranian Kurds are not the same as Iraqi Kurds who are not the same as Syrian/Turkish Kurds. And none of those surrounding states want a Kurdistan on their borders.
NO WHEY!
NO WHEY!
Posted by: Bill and Ted at July 13, 2026 02:24 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (wBaIH)
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Who else would Carter have installed besides Khomeini? Discuss.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (YlWIZ)
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Who else would Carter have installed besides Khomeini? Discuss.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (YlWIZ)
Billy.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (YlWIZ)
Billy.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (2YhKe)
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Lebanon and Israel signed a peace deal designed to isolate and degrade Hezbollah.
Iraq arrested most of their pro-Iranian politicians recently.
The Iraqi PM is going to DC right now to sign some MOUs with the US about American investment in energy in the country (we're finally getting the Iraqi oil, boys).
UAE just announced a new port to be constructed on their eastern coast, on the Omani Gulf coast, bypassing the strait completely (2 years to build, at least, but still).
The region is being turned against Iran one piece at a time.
Iraq arrested most of their pro-Iranian politicians recently.
The Iraqi PM is going to DC right now to sign some MOUs with the US about American investment in energy in the country (we're finally getting the Iraqi oil, boys).
UAE just announced a new port to be constructed on their eastern coast, on the Omani Gulf coast, bypassing the strait completely (2 years to build, at least, but still).
The region is being turned against Iran one piece at a time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:26 PM (GKzf4)
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Balfour was a failure imposition after the Ottomans fell. Where are everyone else's notes on the matter?
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:27 PM (YlWIZ)
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That's probably a greater effect on the nation that most of the bombing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Dunno. We bombed key railroad bridges linking the Iranian heartland with China, Russia, via Turkmenistan this time so we shall see how much ruin there is in the country. Starving populations make it more likely to have a military dictator but the very strategy of Iranian defense, the mosaic works against that.
So whacking more underlying commanders like the IRGC air commander might be in order to make consolidation of power easier for someone.
That's probably a greater effect on the nation that most of the bombing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Dunno. We bombed key railroad bridges linking the Iranian heartland with China, Russia, via Turkmenistan this time so we shall see how much ruin there is in the country. Starving populations make it more likely to have a military dictator but the very strategy of Iranian defense, the mosaic works against that.
So whacking more underlying commanders like the IRGC air commander might be in order to make consolidation of power easier for someone.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:27 PM (E4rtv)
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No but it might have been leaked to them knowing they would publish it...
True, they are that dense.
True, they are that dense.
Posted by: Halfhand at July 13, 2026 02:27 PM (bDp6B)
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American planes + Israeli spies + Kurdish troops = regime toppled.
We need to create an actual nots+bolts plan -- not just give the Kurd weapons and say, "Invade when you're ready."
Just as with South Vietnam in the late '50s and early '60s, their military "plans" were too discombobulated and random to effectively defeat the Viet Cong. Not until the US started sending "advisors" telling them how to conduct war did they start having success.
We need to set an actual target on an actual date.
Tell the Kurds, "On Date XYZ, and 4am, we will bomb the shot out of IRGC HQ and barracks in Bumfuckistan province. Shot Bet agents will blow up the bridges at rivers X, Y and Z. Have your troops come in on Highway ABC and take city Z at 5am. UNDERSTAND?" Etc.
Otherwise, they may never get up the nerve.
We need to create an actual nots+bolts plan -- not just give the Kurd weapons and say, "Invade when you're ready."
Just as with South Vietnam in the late '50s and early '60s, their military "plans" were too discombobulated and random to effectively defeat the Viet Cong. Not until the US started sending "advisors" telling them how to conduct war did they start having success.
We need to set an actual target on an actual date.
Tell the Kurds, "On Date XYZ, and 4am, we will bomb the shot out of IRGC HQ and barracks in Bumfuckistan province. Shot Bet agents will blow up the bridges at rivers X, Y and Z. Have your troops come in on Highway ABC and take city Z at 5am. UNDERSTAND?" Etc.
Otherwise, they may never get up the nerve.
Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 02:28 PM (Av6i5)
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49 Who else would Carter have installed besides Khomeini? Discuss.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (YlWIZ)
Billy.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (2YhKe)
Beer is haram!
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (YlWIZ)
Billy.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:25 PM (2YhKe)
Beer is haram!
Posted by: The revolution should have been put down at July 13, 2026 02:28 PM (TbWk/)
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Appt for MRI now, y'all have fun while I'm gone and no running with scissors or hair on fire.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (E4rtv)
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He's dead Jim
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (TPmOL)
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52 Dunno. We bombed key railroad bridges linking the Iranian heartland with China, Russia, via Turkmenistan this time so we shall see how much ruin there is in the country. Starving populations make it more likely to have a military dictator but the very strategy of Iranian defense, the mosaic works against that.
So whacking more underlying commanders like the IRGC air commander might be in order to make consolidation of power easier for someone.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:27 PM (E4rtv)
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Something like 98% of Iranian imports pre-war were by sea, and the vast majority of that was from the Persian/Omani gulfs.
The railroads were non-contiguous (they operate on different gauges from the stuff that actually heads into China, and there's a 60 mile gap between them).
A GDP dropping by 50% in a few months because of a blockade does a lot.
So whacking more underlying commanders like the IRGC air commander might be in order to make consolidation of power easier for someone.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:27 PM (E4rtv)
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Something like 98% of Iranian imports pre-war were by sea, and the vast majority of that was from the Persian/Omani gulfs.
The railroads were non-contiguous (they operate on different gauges from the stuff that actually heads into China, and there's a 60 mile gap between them).
A GDP dropping by 50% in a few months because of a blockade does a lot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (GKzf4)
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This sounds like a Hail Mary.
You have to wonder if the op was to convince Ahmadinejad to flip, or if the op was to convince America that Ahmadinejad was likely to flip...
You have to wonder if the op was to convince Ahmadinejad to flip, or if the op was to convince America that Ahmadinejad was likely to flip...
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (Q0L71)
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56 Appt for MRI now, y'all have fun while I'm gone and no running with scissors or hair on fire.
Posted by: whig
* extinguishes scissors *
Posted by: whig
* extinguishes scissors *
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 02:30 PM (VHUov)
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56 Appt for MRI now, y'all have fun while I'm gone and no running with scissors or hair on fire.
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (E4rtv)
What about scissors on fire?
Posted by: whig at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (E4rtv)
What about scissors on fire?
Posted by: Flaming Scissors opened for L7 at Lilith Fair at July 13, 2026 02:30 PM (TbWk/)
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>>Otherwise, they may never get up the nerve.
The Kurds are a tough group to stand with. They have real world demands that will cause inevitable issues in the Region.
Turkey, for one, wants none of the Kurdish Groups to have any type of independence.
The Kurds are a tough group to stand with. They have real world demands that will cause inevitable issues in the Region.
Turkey, for one, wants none of the Kurdish Groups to have any type of independence.
Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2026 02:30 PM (uzmqU)
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You have to wonder if the op was to convince Ahmadinejad to flip, or if the op was to convince America that Ahmadinejad was likely to flip...
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (Q0L71)
It is too stupid to be the only plan. So that means there are other plans that either misfired, or are still smouldering
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at July 13, 2026 02:29 PM (Q0L71)
It is too stupid to be the only plan. So that means there are other plans that either misfired, or are still smouldering
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:30 PM (rbvCR)
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Amadinnerjacket was a Israel spy?
Too funny
Too funny
Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2026 02:30 PM (Ia/+0)
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For being World Controllers (TM) the Mossad/Israel sure do seem incompetent.
Posted by: Canned-Ass Owns at July 13, 2026 02:32 PM (TezPK)
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Methinks you underestimate the regimes ability to survive. I heard the same arguments years ago about disarming Iran. They quickly went about creating a domestic arms industry and innovative weapons development.
They don’t care of the general population dies. That’s part of the plan. There is no “resistance” just a bunch of groups with grudges and not willing to do battle to settle them. Their only weapon is asymmetric warfare.
*looks around, sees none*
You know what “resistance” looks like? It looks like Ukraine. They’ve gone full honey badger.
Iran? The resistance cheers every time we restart combat ops. Mostly because they think we will do the job Iranians want to do.
They don’t care of the general population dies. That’s part of the plan. There is no “resistance” just a bunch of groups with grudges and not willing to do battle to settle them. Their only weapon is asymmetric warfare.
*looks around, sees none*
You know what “resistance” looks like? It looks like Ukraine. They’ve gone full honey badger.
Iran? The resistance cheers every time we restart combat ops. Mostly because they think we will do the job Iranians want to do.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:32 PM (0ZmKh)
Posted by: runner at July 13, 2026 02:32 PM (GD0B3)
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We just automatically believe this stuff now?"
Sure. It's the NY Times. If you can't believe them...
Sure. It's the NY Times. If you can't believe them...
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:32 PM (XuXeR)
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At what point will Shah Jr. call for an uprising?
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 13, 2026 02:32 PM (4NO2D)
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (XuXeR)
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I'd like to know the true number of Iranian opposition that were killed during the premature ceasefire. If some of the numbers quoted are accurate, it probably hurt our rep a lot that we didn't do anything. So now I think our only focus has to be to keep killing the bad guys and let the chips fall where they may regard to who runs Iran.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (/WQyy)
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Obama Judge Kathleen Williams issued a "scathing" order declaring only Democrats can sue government agencies for the purpose of gaining a favorable settlement. After the IRS leaked Trump's tax returns, he sued the agency, settled, and she disallowed the settlement, referred all his attorneys for bar discipline, referred the lefty-hated Todd Blanche for bar discipline because he is Trump's nominee for AG, and then threw her shoes at the lawyers while screaming at them about Uniparty discipline.
All more or less true, though maybe a little embellished. Anyway, she hates everything about Trump.
All more or less true, though maybe a little embellished. Anyway, she hates everything about Trump.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (TPmOL)
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I'm not sure what interpretation of this would be funnier: if it was true on its face, or if it's a Mossad op to further destablize Iran.
I saw this morning on Fox that we blew up an IRGC command bunker and whacked their commander, so now they begin the "Please someone take this job" cycle.
I saw this morning on Fox that we blew up an IRGC command bunker and whacked their commander, so now they begin the "Please someone take this job" cycle.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (2ocoG)
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A GDP dropping by 50% in a few months because of a blockade does a lot.
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How soon should we expect the collapse of North Korea?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
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How soon should we expect the collapse of North Korea?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (vSvIl)
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The region is being turned against Iran one piece at a time.
* bombs everyone *
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?"
-- Iran
* bombs everyone *
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?"
-- Iran
Posted by: Oddbob at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (vTZFs)
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The Kurds have been waiting for their independent state since 1915. They still feel screwed over by the Treaty of Versailles. We need to bitch slap them and say, "THIS YOUR MOMENT, fools! You've been waiting for this opportunity for over a century! Want and independent state? YOU CAN HAVE ONE! Within a year. All you have to do i"s accept several thousand truckloads of weapons, then act as the cannon fodder troops on the ground to help us take out Tehran. Do that, and Kurdistan with be a reality within months. Say 'No," and go back to being an oppressed stateless minority til the end of time."
They'd jump at the chance.
They'd jump at the chance.
Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 02:34 PM (Av6i5)
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Pahlavi has disappeared from the scene it appears.
I strongly suspect that it is true that the Israelis were trying to get the former President on their team. I also strongly suspect that the plan for the Iran War did not hinge on it.
I strongly suspect that it is true that the Israelis were trying to get the former President on their team. I also strongly suspect that the plan for the Iran War did not hinge on it.
Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2026 02:34 PM (xhfG9)
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There are only a few parts of the Kurdish population worth spit. There is some romantic idea promulgated by Iraq war fiction that all Kurds are great war fighters willing to fight to the death. Baloney.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:34 PM (0ZmKh)
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74 A GDP dropping by 50% in a few months because of a blockade does a lot.
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How soon should we expect the collapse of North Korea?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (vSvIl)
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Interesting that North Korea can't really project power outside of its own borders, is propped up by a neighboring communist state, and doesn't fund global terror.
But otherwise, the two are identical.
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How soon should we expect the collapse of North Korea?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (vSvIl)
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Interesting that North Korea can't really project power outside of its own borders, is propped up by a neighboring communist state, and doesn't fund global terror.
But otherwise, the two are identical.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (GKzf4)
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Again, for those in the bleachers, there's no such thing as "woke right." They are leftists.
@disclosetv 1m
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (diia5)
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You know what “resistance” looks like? It looks like Ukraine. They’ve gone full honey badger.
Iran? The resistance cheers every time we restart combat ops. Mostly because they think we will do the job Iranians want to do.
Posted by: Marcus T
And, looking forward to lotsa that sweet rebuilding cash!
Call me when you are finished and it's safe!
Iran? The resistance cheers every time we restart combat ops. Mostly because they think we will do the job Iranians want to do.
Posted by: Marcus T
And, looking forward to lotsa that sweet rebuilding cash!
Call me when you are finished and it's safe!
Posted by: Iran Away at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (TezPK)
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I remember the scene from Donnie Brasco where Pacino caps the guy in the back of the head for being a rat. Then later, Donnie explains to Pacino why he wasn't a rat, and Pacino's character says he was a rat because the boss said he was a rat. And he did some other stuff that deserved getting whacked, too, so shut up. Ahmadinejad is probably getting the same treatment.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (QaH55)
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I bet Candace knows who to blame for this leaked story.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (TPmOL)
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Ahmadinejad would never spy for Israel. LMAO....that would negate his opportunity to give ideological speeches at Columbia University as he has in the past.
Posted by: Orson at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (dIske)
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Amadinnerjacket was a Israel spy?
Too funny
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So says NYT.
Well, they said he wasn't. So he probably was.
Too funny
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So says NYT.
Well, they said he wasn't. So he probably was.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 13, 2026 02:36 PM (vTZFs)
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Kill them, destroy their stuff, disarm them except for plastic cutlery butter knives. Make them dress like girls.
Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2026 02:36 PM (r51hs)
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How soon should we expect the collapse of North Korea?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
NK is a Chinese client state with no real way to interact with anyone else besides occasionally firing off shitty rockets that don't go where they want. Iran's not like that.
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
NK is a Chinese client state with no real way to interact with anyone else besides occasionally firing off shitty rockets that don't go where they want. Iran's not like that.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:36 PM (2ocoG)
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But plans tend to note survive first contact with the enemy.
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"No plan of battle survives first contact with the enemy"
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"No plan of battle survives first contact with the enemy"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2026 02:36 PM (XeU6L)
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Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:32 PM (0ZmK
They've allegedly killed up to 100k of the organized opposition. And Ukraine is fighting for their country not to take it over. They did that easily already with a coup.
They've allegedly killed up to 100k of the organized opposition. And Ukraine is fighting for their country not to take it over. They did that easily already with a coup.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:36 PM (/WQyy)
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Iran can choose to give up on being a pariah state, or it can become Uganda.
That's the choice they have.
Becoming Uganda doesn't mean that it becomes ruled by moderates, but that it is ruled by crazy people who have no access to funds to cause trouble.
The Gulf States are actively making moves to make sure that Iran can't cause them trouble in the future while their manufacturing base (which took them decades to build) remains in ruins. Maybe in a few years they can get back to selling oil at a loss to China, I guess.
That's the choice they have.
Becoming Uganda doesn't mean that it becomes ruled by moderates, but that it is ruled by crazy people who have no access to funds to cause trouble.
The Gulf States are actively making moves to make sure that Iran can't cause them trouble in the future while their manufacturing base (which took them decades to build) remains in ruins. Maybe in a few years they can get back to selling oil at a loss to China, I guess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (GKzf4)
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There are two railroad crossing points into Iran. One from Turkmenistan and one from Afghanistan. There are also overland routes, some remote through which trucks with arms and supplies move. Ask me how I know.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (0ZmKh)
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I support Israel. I have no problem with Trump pounding Iran
But getting involved with crap like this , trying to pick their leader, is another form of nation building which in that region will turn rancid real fast
But getting involved with crap like this , trying to pick their leader, is another form of nation building which in that region will turn rancid real fast
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (m2wmY)
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They don’t care of the general population dies. That’s part of the plan.
Posted by: Marcus T
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This is accurate, but an oversimplification. It is the "twelver" logic that they want to bring about Armageddon, which is complicated but not really the issue.
The problem is not that they want to die, but that (like palestinians) they are in a cult that reveres their cause and are willing to die. It also means they are unwilling to make any steps back from dominance and do not want to "just be a normal country" and "live in peace with the world." They want to fight for their cause and are willing to say or do anything, even die, because the only thing important to them is to advance their version of islam.
Posted by: Marcus T
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This is accurate, but an oversimplification. It is the "twelver" logic that they want to bring about Armageddon, which is complicated but not really the issue.
The problem is not that they want to die, but that (like palestinians) they are in a cult that reveres their cause and are willing to die. It also means they are unwilling to make any steps back from dominance and do not want to "just be a normal country" and "live in peace with the world." They want to fight for their cause and are willing to say or do anything, even die, because the only thing important to them is to advance their version of islam.
Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (Q0L71)
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I don't believe this story is true, I don't WANT to believe this story is true. Because this plan was stupidest "new government" plan in a 5 quart jar filled with beans all labeled "stupid new government plans".
I can't believe any sane person could ever think this could have worked.
I can't believe any sane person could ever think this could have worked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (edUvp)
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Kill them, destroy their stuff, disarm them except for plastic cutlery butter knives. Make them dress like girls.
So basically Keir Starmer's entire policy vision in two sentences? I like it.
So basically Keir Starmer's entire policy vision in two sentences? I like it.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (2ocoG)
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Reminds me.
Death of Stalin is one of the most brilliant movies ever made. I can't believe Hollywood made it.
Death of Stalin is one of the most brilliant movies ever made. I can't believe Hollywood made it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (/WQyy)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2026 02:39 PM (XeU6L)
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Well no plan survives contact with the enemy.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2026 02:39 PM (dtfFP)
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96 Reminds me.
Death of Stalin is one of the most brilliant movies ever made. I can't believe Hollywood made it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (/WQyy)
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The man who wrote and directed it, Armando Ianucci, made himself look silly for 10 straight episodes of Taskmaster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRfHA2d3DhM
Recommended.
Death of Stalin is one of the most brilliant movies ever made. I can't believe Hollywood made it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (/WQyy)
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The man who wrote and directed it, Armando Ianucci, made himself look silly for 10 straight episodes of Taskmaster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRfHA2d3DhM
Recommended.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:39 PM (GKzf4)
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91 There are two railroad crossing points into Iran. One from Turkmenistan and one from Afghanistan. There are also overland routes, some remote through which trucks with arms and supplies move. Ask me how I know.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (0ZmKh)
I have read that Pakistan now has at least 7 crossing points into Iran, some of which have rail service.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (0ZmKh)
I have read that Pakistan now has at least 7 crossing points into Iran, some of which have rail service.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:39 PM (edUvp)
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So, if the big ground invasion and installed leader regime change failed...what are we still doing? We don't need Iran's love or even peace with Iran (it's been 47 years, what's a few more...) and Israel doesn't need us still in the fight...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 13, 2026 02:40 PM (tOcjL)
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (diia5)
2 chickens f*ck each other.
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 13, 2026 02:35 PM (diia5)
2 chickens f*ck each other.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:40 PM (2YhKe)
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94 I don't believe this story is true, I don't WANT to believe this story is true. Because this plan was stupidest "new government" plan in a 5 quart jar filled with beans all labeled "stupid new government plans".
I can't believe any sane person could ever think this could have worked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (edUvp)
The beepers worked...
I can't believe any sane person could ever think this could have worked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:38 PM (edUvp)
The beepers worked...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 13, 2026 02:41 PM (tOcjL)
Posted by: Gonzotx at July 13, 2026 02:41 PM (nGraA)
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Posted by: weft cut-loop
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[Bogarts the joint...]
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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[Bogarts the joint...]
Posted by: Hunter at July 13, 2026 02:41 PM (XeU6L)
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Interesting that North Korea can't really project power outside of its own borders, is propped up by a neighboring communist state, and doesn't fund global terror.
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So we don't have troops on their border and they are not state sponsors of terror?
I admit I do get behind on news sometimes.
Also, you implied that resupply by rail from China wasn't that big of a deal *in this thread*, so I'm not sure that's a valid point, unless you thing "neighboring" is really important.
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So we don't have troops on their border and they are not state sponsors of terror?
I admit I do get behind on news sometimes.
Also, you implied that resupply by rail from China wasn't that big of a deal *in this thread*, so I'm not sure that's a valid point, unless you thing "neighboring" is really important.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (vSvIl)
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How soon should we expect the collapse of North Korea?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (vSvIl)
(Raises hand) Oye, ¿y nosotros?
It seems like they've been starving for a while, too.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:33 PM (vSvIl)
(Raises hand) Oye, ¿y nosotros?
Posted by: Cubans at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (QaH55)
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Is it possible that this is all BS and they're trying to make him toxic to other Iranians?
Posted by: BenMSYS at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (Z2OGV)
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Pahlavi has disappeared from the scene it appears.
I strongly suspect that it is true that the Israelis were trying to get the former President on their team. I also strongly suspect that the plan for the Iran War did not hinge on it.
Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2026 02:34 PM (xhfG9)
Last I heard he was in Holland. Don't know why, and that was last week
I strongly suspect that it is true that the Israelis were trying to get the former President on their team. I also strongly suspect that the plan for the Iran War did not hinge on it.
Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2026 02:34 PM (xhfG9)
Last I heard he was in Holland. Don't know why, and that was last week
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (rbvCR)
Posted by: Achmed at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (XeU6L)
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What makes me laugh every day now is how *every* part of that Idiotic MOU has now been repudiated and disowned. I think we're now at the "Don't Anyone Ever Mention That Again, Ever!" stage.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (edUvp)
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I remember the story about the head of Iranian unit set up to target MOSSAD..was MOSSAD. I just don't know what to believe!
Posted by: runner at July 13, 2026 02:43 PM (GD0B3)
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>> Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:36 PM (/WQyy
The IRGC has not really even begun to have its ranks depleted. Same for all the other proxy groups and Basij. They have fighters coming in from all over the ME and Caucuses.
The Ukrainian people are fighting for their country. If they don’t, they lose it. They don’t want to.
The Iranian opposition is allegedly fighting for their country too. Lots of social media posts and likes on DJT comments. Right now there is not organized opposition. Just a bunch of sloganeering.
At some point you have to grab people by the belt buckle and stab them in the throat. That’s war. You risk it all for a cause worth fighting for. We’ve done that for 250 years or so now. It’s how you win. It’s how you keep a country, which btw some Democrats should remember.
The IRGC has not really even begun to have its ranks depleted. Same for all the other proxy groups and Basij. They have fighters coming in from all over the ME and Caucuses.
The Ukrainian people are fighting for their country. If they don’t, they lose it. They don’t want to.
The Iranian opposition is allegedly fighting for their country too. Lots of social media posts and likes on DJT comments. Right now there is not organized opposition. Just a bunch of sloganeering.
At some point you have to grab people by the belt buckle and stab them in the throat. That’s war. You risk it all for a cause worth fighting for. We’ve done that for 250 years or so now. It’s how you win. It’s how you keep a country, which btw some Democrats should remember.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:43 PM (0ZmKh)
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>>> 8 TJM thanks for the heads up on Goodluck Have fun Dont die My wife and I loved it
I found it wildly uneven, some of the contrivances in the plot veering into deus ex machina territory, and bugged me enough to pull me out of being immersed in the story. But I liked the creativity of it and what they were attempting to do. Very "everything everywhere all at once."
Is there a specific name for this genre of sci-fi? Absurdist sci-fi?
I found it wildly uneven, some of the contrivances in the plot veering into deus ex machina territory, and bugged me enough to pull me out of being immersed in the story. But I liked the creativity of it and what they were attempting to do. Very "everything everywhere all at once."
Is there a specific name for this genre of sci-fi? Absurdist sci-fi?
Posted by: LizLem at July 13, 2026 02:43 PM (gWBY1)
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106 So we don't have troops on their border and they are not state sponsors of terror?
I admit I do get behind on news sometimes.
Also, you implied that resupply by rail from China wasn't that big of a deal *in this thread*, so I'm not sure that's a valid point, unless you thing "neighboring" is really important.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (vSvIl)
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Considering the volume Iran can take in by rail from the east, yes, it's not really a concern.
So, unless China is going to make Iran a client state like North Korea, which seems doubtful at this point, then no, the comparison is not at all similar.
Besides, we just took out a couple of rail lines from the east anyway.
I admit I do get behind on news sometimes.
Also, you implied that resupply by rail from China wasn't that big of a deal *in this thread*, so I'm not sure that's a valid point, unless you thing "neighboring" is really important.
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (vSvIl)
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Considering the volume Iran can take in by rail from the east, yes, it's not really a concern.
So, unless China is going to make Iran a client state like North Korea, which seems doubtful at this point, then no, the comparison is not at all similar.
Besides, we just took out a couple of rail lines from the east anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:44 PM (GKzf4)
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You know what “resistance” looks like? It looks like Ukraine. They’ve gone full honey badger.
Ukraine is more like Zelensky fighting (to keep his grift) to the last man, or at least the last Ukrainian man. But it's fine, he's got Somalis flooding in and commercials on TV that it's OK if your husband/boyfriend gets blown up by Putin, we have a wide selection of black dicks now.
Imagine if Obama saw that commercial.
Ukraine is more like Zelensky fighting (to keep his grift) to the last man, or at least the last Ukrainian man. But it's fine, he's got Somalis flooding in and commercials on TV that it's OK if your husband/boyfriend gets blown up by Putin, we have a wide selection of black dicks now.
Imagine if Obama saw that commercial.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:44 PM (2ocoG)
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His current status remains uncertain. But four senior Iranian officials said that Mr. Ahmadinejad was in the custody of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' intelligence wing, under house arrest now that Iran has learned about much of his interactions with Israel.
Why do I get the idea that this was the goal from the beginning? I don't think anyone REALLY thought that Ahmadinejad would turn into an Israeli ally. But it sounds like a great way to get the IRGC to do our dirty work for us.
His current status remains uncertain. But four senior Iranian officials said that Mr. Ahmadinejad was in the custody of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' intelligence wing, under house arrest now that Iran has learned about much of his interactions with Israel.
Why do I get the idea that this was the goal from the beginning? I don't think anyone REALLY thought that Ahmadinejad would turn into an Israeli ally. But it sounds like a great way to get the IRGC to do our dirty work for us.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 13, 2026 02:44 PM (B5HPU)
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- @51 Hokey Pokey
You're getting warm. Very warm.
The Balfour Declaration was eventually followed through on after WWII.
What better way to have an area of ongoing conflict than to plop 6? million Jews down in the middle of 80? million mohammedans?
And I doubt seriously it was Carter who was driving force behind installing the mullahs in Iran. Just used, as America has always been used by the powers that be. To drain us dry. See also NATO.
You're getting warm. Very warm.
The Balfour Declaration was eventually followed through on after WWII.
What better way to have an area of ongoing conflict than to plop 6? million Jews down in the middle of 80? million mohammedans?
And I doubt seriously it was Carter who was driving force behind installing the mullahs in Iran. Just used, as America has always been used by the powers that be. To drain us dry. See also NATO.
Posted by: TeeJ at July 13, 2026 02:44 PM (dAv7M)
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Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 02:34 PM (Av6i5)
Seems like the US made promises like that to the Kurds of Iraq during Desert Storm.
Seems like the US made promises like that to the Kurds of Iraq during Desert Storm.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (3Ope8)
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rector from the University of Budapest"
Rector? I hardly knew her!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I take offense
And I will tell Senator Darleen
Rector? I hardly knew her!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I take offense
And I will tell Senator Darleen
Posted by: MKKE in Bootypest is my Honoured Alma Mater at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (bziMQ)
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I don’t trust NYT to tell me water is wet.
Posted by: Facts at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (Xe8e7)
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From the previous thread:
269 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Redditors decided to meet up in real life
It looks exactly how you would expect
https://tinyurl.com/yedpv624
Posted by: redridinghood
The woman on the right end of the front row: "Holeeee shit. These are the people I've been hanging out online with? I'm going to have to change my name and move to another state. And get a new dog."
269 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Redditors decided to meet up in real life
It looks exactly how you would expect
https://tinyurl.com/yedpv624
Posted by: redridinghood
The woman on the right end of the front row: "Holeeee shit. These are the people I've been hanging out online with? I'm going to have to change my name and move to another state. And get a new dog."
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (VHUov)
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Israeli officials have not commented publicly about the plan to install Mr. Ahmadinejad as Iran's leader, which was part of a broader attempt to topple the government in Tehran. Another element involved arming and training Iranian Kurdish opposition forces based in northern Iraq to cross into western Iran, hold territory there and eventually move toward the capital Tehran, an effort that never manifested.
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A new fleet of F-35s might work.
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A new fleet of F-35s might work.
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (rj6Yv)
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111 What makes me laugh every day now is how *every* part of that Idiotic MOU has now been repudiated and disowned. I think we're now at the "Don't Anyone Ever Mention That Again, Ever!" stage.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (edUvp)
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The MOU was written as disadvantageous to Iran.
They had to act normal in order to receive frozen funds. They simply couldn't do that because of their idiotic "IRGC is decentralized and populated by third world retards who will fire on the Chinese cargo vessels in the strait even when the civilian government didn't want it" thing was just standard operations.
They got not one penny if they did anything antagonistic in the strait, and they only got the $300 billion investment at some point in the future if the MOU was followed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (edUvp)
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The MOU was written as disadvantageous to Iran.
They had to act normal in order to receive frozen funds. They simply couldn't do that because of their idiotic "IRGC is decentralized and populated by third world retards who will fire on the Chinese cargo vessels in the strait even when the civilian government didn't want it" thing was just standard operations.
They got not one penny if they did anything antagonistic in the strait, and they only got the $300 billion investment at some point in the future if the MOU was followed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (GKzf4)
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All their names sound the same
Posted by: Gonzotx
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You cannot say that about Turkmenistan.
Posted by: Gonzotx
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You cannot say that about Turkmenistan.
Posted by: Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (XeU6L)
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What is this Death of Stalin show you're discussing?
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (wBaIH)
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I have the feeling Amadinnerjacket got called out by other Leftist Muslims
Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (Ia/+0)
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>> I have read that Pakistan now has at least 7 crossing points into Iran, some of which have rail service.
Pakistan is being very careful about what they ship into Iran. Let’s leave it at that.
Pakistan is being very careful about what they ship into Iran. Let’s leave it at that.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:47 PM (0ZmKh)
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What makes me laugh every day now is how *every* part of that Idiotic MOU has now been repudiated and disowned. I think we're now at the "Don't Anyone Ever Mention That Again, Ever!" stage.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (edUvp)
+1
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (edUvp)
+1
Posted by: Methos at July 13, 2026 02:47 PM (vSvIl)
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What makes me laugh every day now is how *every* part of that Idiotic MOU has now been repudiated and disowned. I think we're now at the "Don't Anyone Ever Mention That Again, Ever!" stage.
I don't think anyone expected the MOU to be worth the paper it was written on, and I said so before it was signed. It's to show the vaginocracy that runs the West that Trump can play nice with the other children. That way, when the other children inevitably misbehave, it's not his fault he has to break their nose.
I don't think anyone expected the MOU to be worth the paper it was written on, and I said so before it was signed. It's to show the vaginocracy that runs the West that Trump can play nice with the other children. That way, when the other children inevitably misbehave, it's not his fault he has to break their nose.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2ocoG)
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The woman on the right end of the front row: "Holeeee shit. These are the people I've been hanging out online with? I'm going to have to change my name and move to another state. And get a new dog."
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (VHUov)
"I've never seen a fupa so big......"
The woman on the right end of the front row: "Holeeee shit. These are the people I've been hanging out online with? I'm going to have to change my name and move to another state. And get a new dog."
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (VHUov)
"I've never seen a fupa so big......"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2YhKe)
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I had given up on paying any attention to the Uke war some time ago. But damn, it looks like Russia is getting their ass severely kicked in the black sea over the last couple of weeks, and the Ukes don't even have a navy! Reportedly over 100 Russian ships have been hit by drones over the last couple of weeks, shutting down much of Russia's Black Sea cargo traffic.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (edUvp)
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Ahmadinejad is still breathing. I wonder why?
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (6LzyB)
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Who knows, could be a planted story for destabilization. Either way Mahmoud isn't going to be the leader.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (n5tGW)
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Ahmadinejad is still breathing. I wonder why?
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (6LzyB)
The JOOZ!!!!!
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (6LzyB)
The JOOZ!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:49 PM (2YhKe)
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(Raises hand) Oye, ¿y nosotros?
Posted by: Cubans at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (QaH55)
Cuba and N Korea survived because they had a patron paying their bills. Cuba does not have that now, and is having trouble keeping the lights on. Also, different from the N Koreans, the Cubans know that 90 miles away the lights stay on in the poor neighborhoods and the neighbors aren't going through trash looking for proof of revolutionary activity.
Posted by: Cubans at July 13, 2026 02:42 PM (QaH55)
Cuba and N Korea survived because they had a patron paying their bills. Cuba does not have that now, and is having trouble keeping the lights on. Also, different from the N Koreans, the Cubans know that 90 miles away the lights stay on in the poor neighborhoods and the neighbors aren't going through trash looking for proof of revolutionary activity.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:49 PM (rbvCR)
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131
The woman on the right end of the front row: "Holeeee shit. These are the people I've been hanging out online with? I'm going to have to change my name and move to another state. And get a new dog."
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (VHUov)
"I've never seen a fupa so big......"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2YhKe)
Our fupas will blot out the sun!
So much the better. Then we won't be able to see you.
The woman on the right end of the front row: "Holeeee shit. These are the people I've been hanging out online with? I'm going to have to change my name and move to another state. And get a new dog."
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 02:45 PM (VHUov)
"I've never seen a fupa so big......"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2YhKe)
Our fupas will blot out the sun!
So much the better. Then we won't be able to see you.
Posted by: Stelios the Spartan, probably at July 13, 2026 02:49 PM (TbWk/)
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Some faction in the IRGC wants Ahmedinejad dead
Posted by: Ben Had at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (afJtY)
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130 What makes me laugh every day now is how *every* part of that Idiotic MOU has now been repudiated and disowned. I think we're now at the "Don't Anyone Ever Mention That Again, Ever!" stage.
I don't think anyone expected the MOU to be worth the paper it was written on, and I said so before it was signed. It's to show the vaginocracy that runs the West that Trump can play nice with the other children. That way, when the other children inevitably misbehave, it's not his fault he has to break their nose.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2ocoG)
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The MOU was never more than a set of terms on which the two countries would speak.
It promised shockingly little in terms of actual deliverables before an actual peace was signed, of which the MOU was not it.
It gave Iran the opportunity to show the world that it could act like a normal country. And they failed miserably because they're third world retards.
And now America is back to bombing, and no one, in particular the oil markets, give a shit.
We just starved the country more. That was the result of the MOU.
I don't think anyone expected the MOU to be worth the paper it was written on, and I said so before it was signed. It's to show the vaginocracy that runs the West that Trump can play nice with the other children. That way, when the other children inevitably misbehave, it's not his fault he has to break their nose.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2ocoG)
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The MOU was never more than a set of terms on which the two countries would speak.
It promised shockingly little in terms of actual deliverables before an actual peace was signed, of which the MOU was not it.
It gave Iran the opportunity to show the world that it could act like a normal country. And they failed miserably because they're third world retards.
And now America is back to bombing, and no one, in particular the oil markets, give a shit.
We just starved the country more. That was the result of the MOU.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (GKzf4)
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What makes me laugh every day now is how *every* part of that Idiotic MOU has now been repudiated and disowned. I think we're now at the "Don't Anyone Ever Mention That Again, Ever!" stage.
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I don't think anyone expected the MOU to be worth the paper it was written on
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2ocoG)
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Tom Servo evidently did. His disappointment is palpable.
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I don't think anyone expected the MOU to be worth the paper it was written on
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:48 PM (2ocoG)
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Tom Servo evidently did. His disappointment is palpable.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (Tr0Ci)
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"I've never seen a fupa so big......"
That's covered by cleft gut...
And is quite the advertisement for the strength of synthetic fibers...
That's covered by cleft gut...
And is quite the advertisement for the strength of synthetic fibers...
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (XuXeR)
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Wow, that's about the weirdest story I've ever heard.
Posted by: Bulg at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (77rzZ)
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Russia has been getting hammered for most of the year. Drones have been hitting Moscow for months now. I don't know if we have the capacity, but that's what I would be doing in Iran if we could.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 13, 2026 02:51 PM (n5tGW)
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Who in Iran has the cred to rein in the IRGC? DJT can deal with a Persian government, but the zealots in the IRGC believe they are on a mission.
Kind of the same predicament the Allies faced with Mustache Man. Mustache Man was willing to fight to the last German because he had complete control of the SS and the secret police (although Himmler got a bit squirrely at the end). So it is with the Ayatollahs and the IRGC.
Kind of the same predicament the Allies faced with Mustache Man. Mustache Man was willing to fight to the last German because he had complete control of the SS and the secret police (although Himmler got a bit squirrely at the end). So it is with the Ayatollahs and the IRGC.
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 02:51 PM (rj6Yv)
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They got not one penny if they did anything antagonistic in the strait, and they only got the $300 billion investment at some point in the future if the MOU was followed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (GKzf4)
The US Treasury is shutting down Iran's shadow banking system, and the Iraqis seem to have stomped a network that dealt mostly with cash. I think that is going to hurt a bit
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (GKzf4)
The US Treasury is shutting down Iran's shadow banking system, and the Iraqis seem to have stomped a network that dealt mostly with cash. I think that is going to hurt a bit
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:51 PM (rbvCR)
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Our fupas will blot out the sun!
So much the better. Then we won't be able to see you.
You'll still be able to smell them. *shudders*
So much the better. Then we won't be able to see you.
You'll still be able to smell them. *shudders*
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:52 PM (2ocoG)
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145 They got not one penny if they did anything antagonistic in the strait, and they only got the $300 billion investment at some point in the future if the MOU was followed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (GKzf4)
The US Treasury is shutting down Iran's shadow banking system, and the Iraqis seem to have stomped a network that dealt mostly with cash. I think that is going to hurt a bit
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:51 PM (rbvCR)
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You see, none of that mattered because an anonymous source out of Iran said that the MOU would give them $300 billion the instant they signed it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:46 PM (GKzf4)
The US Treasury is shutting down Iran's shadow banking system, and the Iraqis seem to have stomped a network that dealt mostly with cash. I think that is going to hurt a bit
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:51 PM (rbvCR)
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You see, none of that mattered because an anonymous source out of Iran said that the MOU would give them $300 billion the instant they signed it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:52 PM (GKzf4)
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Tom Servo evidently did. His disappointment is palpable.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (Tr0Ci)
No. He believed Trump was a stupid poopyhead and had no clue what he was doing and doesn't learn from everything. Iran pulled one over on him.
Tom Servo evidently did. His disappointment is palpable.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (Tr0Ci)
No. He believed Trump was a stupid poopyhead and had no clue what he was doing and doesn't learn from everything. Iran pulled one over on him.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (qBdHI)
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I read that wacky story yesterday and I'm still not clear of the moment at which the plan failed. Was it when Dinner Jacket "left the safe house under circumstances that are still unclear"?
Sorry if this has been covered, I just got to the thread.
I read that wacky story yesterday and I'm still not clear of the moment at which the plan failed. Was it when Dinner Jacket "left the safe house under circumstances that are still unclear"?
Sorry if this has been covered, I just got to the thread.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (mmrXZ)
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Cubans know that 90 miles away the lights stay on in the poor neighborhoods"
"While the lights of St. Thomas lie twenty miles west
I see General Electric's still doing their best"
"While the lights of St. Thomas lie twenty miles west
I see General Electric's still doing their best"
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (XuXeR)
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121 I don’t trust NYT to tell me water is wet.
Posted by: Facts
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Yeah, I have some Bayesian probability/questions rattling around my brian with this one.
Posted by: Facts
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Yeah, I have some Bayesian probability/questions rattling around my brian with this one.
Posted by: scampydog at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (2bFN5)
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269 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Redditors decided to meet up in real life
It looks exactly how you would expect
https://tinyurl.com/yedpv624
Posted by: redridinghood
Note to self: Never attend a ReddModMe.
@EndWokeness
Redditors decided to meet up in real life
It looks exactly how you would expect
https://tinyurl.com/yedpv624
Posted by: redridinghood
Note to self: Never attend a ReddModMe.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (bFu5X)
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Ukraine is fighting an invasion by Russia . Iranian opposition is 'fighting' and dying against the IRG. One is nothing like the other.
And Ukraine only survived first contact because of the assistance they got and continue to get from the United States.
And Ukraine only survived first contact because of the assistance they got and continue to get from the United States.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (/WQyy)
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You see, none of that mattered because an anonymous source out of Iran said that the MOU would give them $300 billion the instant they signed it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:52 PM (GKzf4)
300 billion would buy a lot of ice cream!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 02:52 PM (GKzf4)
300 billion would buy a lot of ice cream!
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (rbvCR)
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Imadinnerjacket was an Israeli spy LOL
Posted by: SMOD at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (RHGPo)
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He believed Trump was a stupid poopyhead and had no clue what he was doing and doesn't learn from everything. Iran pulled one over on him.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM
Y'all are telling me that Hakeem Jeffries comments here?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM
Y'all are telling me that Hakeem Jeffries comments here?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (2ocoG)
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I am sure that a lot of people are willing to fight to the last Kurd.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (4NO2D)
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The IGRC isn’t going to be reined in. They are the fist of the revolution. They are the fanatics who want to fight to the last man. Their leaders are the ones who keep going on offense. The only way to beat them is to destroy the.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (6LzyB)
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Tom Servo evidently did. His disappointment is palpable.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (Tr0Ci)
Oh puh lease. At least try to do better than Raimondo in your trolls.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:50 PM (Tr0Ci)
Oh puh lease. At least try to do better than Raimondo in your trolls.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (edUvp)
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158 I am sure that a lot of people are willing to fight to the last Kurd.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (4NO2D)
Begun the cottage cheese wars have.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (4NO2D)
Begun the cottage cheese wars have.
Posted by: Many stones will be broken at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (TbWk/)
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Ann Widdecombe, 78-year-old former Conservative minister-turned-Reform spokesman, was murdered.
Police: "I don't think so, mate"
Police: "I don't think so, mate"
Posted by: SMOD at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (RHGPo)
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Note to self: Never attend a ReddModMe.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (bFu5X)
Bless them. They look happy. Even the dog looks happy.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (bFu5X)
Bless them. They look happy. Even the dog looks happy.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (rbvCR)
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I take offense
And I will tell Senator Darleen
Posted by: MKKE
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John Masters (in Burma, as II recall) once sent a message to his commanders that he took umbrage at their orders. Back at HQ, they spent an hour poring over maps looking for Umbrage.
And I will tell Senator Darleen
Posted by: MKKE
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John Masters (in Burma, as II recall) once sent a message to his commanders that he took umbrage at their orders. Back at HQ, they spent an hour poring over maps looking for Umbrage.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (XeU6L)
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Bless them. They look happy. Even the dog looks happy.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (rbvCR)
They're never happy.
Bless them. They look happy. Even the dog looks happy.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (rbvCR)
They're never happy.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:55 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 02:56 PM (/WQyy)
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:56 PM (XuXeR)
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He believed Trump was a stupid poopyhead and had no clue what he was doing and doesn't learn from everything. Iran pulled one over on him.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM
Y'all are telling me that Hakeem Jeffries comments here?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (2ocoG)
Lol. This actually kind of sounds like ace... wait a min... ace is Hakeem Jefferies!?! What a third act surprise!
*muses*
Jeffries is pretty gay...
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM
Y'all are telling me that Hakeem Jeffries comments here?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:54 PM (2ocoG)
Lol. This actually kind of sounds like ace... wait a min... ace is Hakeem Jefferies!?! What a third act surprise!
*muses*
Jeffries is pretty gay...
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 02:57 PM (zZu0s)
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A great time to wonder if a war was half-baked is two months after you donned a cheerleader's uniform and waived your pom-poms about it.
I don't give a damn if the Strait of Hormuz ever opens, and a well-placed nuclear missile closing it forever would be exactly what I voted for.
America, and Americans, simply don't need it.
I don't give a damn if the Strait of Hormuz ever opens, and a well-placed nuclear missile closing it forever would be exactly what I voted for.
America, and Americans, simply don't need it.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 02:57 PM (FTLtd)
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Public service announcement: Interest on public debt was over $100 billion last month, for the second straight month, and are forecasted to stay at that level consistently, meaning interest is running at $1 Trillion per year.
But the war on poverty can be won!
But the war on poverty can be won!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 02:57 PM (rPGi+)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2026 02:58 PM (XeU6L)
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I'm reluctant to mention this , but I suppose I'm obligated considering the "Moron Code."
Stopped for my coffee as usual at a Turkey Hill in PA (location to remain unknown) and there was a large woman wearing a wife beater....only both her boobs were hanging out either side (not talking side boob...the whole enchilada). Everyone in the store was trying not to notice. I ended up behind her at the register where the young guy behind the register (probably about 20) very politely said. "Would you mind tucking those things away?" The woman was about to go into a tantrum, and the kid, bless him, goes. "Look, I work with idiots. They'll spend all afternoon looking at the security footage, and I'll end up doing everything as usual" Which hit me...and I just couldn't stop laughing. She left, I bought my coffee.
Stopped for my coffee as usual at a Turkey Hill in PA (location to remain unknown) and there was a large woman wearing a wife beater....only both her boobs were hanging out either side (not talking side boob...the whole enchilada). Everyone in the store was trying not to notice. I ended up behind her at the register where the young guy behind the register (probably about 20) very politely said. "Would you mind tucking those things away?" The woman was about to go into a tantrum, and the kid, bless him, goes. "Look, I work with idiots. They'll spend all afternoon looking at the security footage, and I'll end up doing everything as usual" Which hit me...and I just couldn't stop laughing. She left, I bought my coffee.
Posted by: Orson at July 13, 2026 02:58 PM (dIske)
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Lol. This actually kind of sounds like ace... wait a min... ace is Hakeem Jefferies!?! What a third act surprise!
*muses*
Jeffries is pretty gay...
And Ace went on a date with AllahPundit. But now he only has eyes for garrett. Allegedly.
*muses*
Jeffries is pretty gay...
And Ace went on a date with AllahPundit. But now he only has eyes for garrett. Allegedly.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 02:58 PM (2ocoG)
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No. He believed Trump was a stupid poopyhead and had no clue what he was doing and doesn't learn from everything. Iran pulled one over on him.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (2YhKe)
Actually Trump showed that he learns quickly even when he makes a mistake. We gained nothing from stopping our efforts for 2 months, but we're strong enough that we didn't lose much either.
No. He believed Trump was a stupid poopyhead and had no clue what he was doing and doesn't learn from everything. Iran pulled one over on him.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 02:53 PM (2YhKe)
Actually Trump showed that he learns quickly even when he makes a mistake. We gained nothing from stopping our efforts for 2 months, but we're strong enough that we didn't lose much either.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:59 PM (edUvp)
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although Himmler got a bit squirrely at the end"
Well, he was... similarly small.
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:56 PM (XuXeR)
Hitler: 'you know Heinrich, you are the Robert Reich of Reinhardt Heydrichs.'
Well, he was... similarly small.
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 02:56 PM (XuXeR)
Hitler: 'you know Heinrich, you are the Robert Reich of Reinhardt Heydrichs.'
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 02:59 PM (zZu0s)
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I'm accepting this story at face value because I trust everyone involved implicitly.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at July 13, 2026 02:59 PM (wGerL)
177
So you cooked up a story and dropped us in a meat grinder!
Posted by: Dutch at July 13, 2026 03:00 PM (sYM3s)
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So you cooked up a story and dropped us in a meat grinder!
Posted by: Dutch at July 13, 2026 03:00 PM (sYM3s)
*tears in eyes*
You're an asset. An expendable asset.
Posted by: Dutch at July 13, 2026 03:00 PM (sYM3s)
*tears in eyes*
You're an asset. An expendable asset.
Posted by: Dillon at July 13, 2026 03:01 PM (zZu0s)
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So you cooked up a story and dropped us in a meat grinder!
Posted by: Dutch at July 13, 2026 03:00 PM
Reference Status: Cromulent
Posted by: Dutch at July 13, 2026 03:00 PM
Reference Status: Cromulent
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 13, 2026 03:01 PM (bFu5X)
180
RIP Carl Weathers.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:01 PM (zZu0s)
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174 Actually Trump showed that he learns quickly even when he makes a mistake. We gained nothing from stopping our efforts for 2 months, but we're strong enough that we didn't lose much either.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:59 PM (edUvp)
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Iran was unable to import anything. No one is willing to port with them because actually started engaging in piracy, stealing three cargo vessels on top of the random firing at ships near Oman.
Their oil vessels are still at sea and are now sanctioned and can't port anywhere except China who will probably feel no need to purchase them except at the deepest of deep discounts, so it's not like Iran got money for the oil at market rates, and there's going to be a bunch they won't get paid for at all.
Their inflation continues to climb. Their GDP continues to fall.
And the oil markets just...balanced out.
I'd say we gained enough and Iran just kept losing. Including the rest of their oil fleet which the US can now disable or commandeer (we've done it to both Venezuela and Iran over the last year).
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 02:59 PM (edUvp)
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Iran was unable to import anything. No one is willing to port with them because actually started engaging in piracy, stealing three cargo vessels on top of the random firing at ships near Oman.
Their oil vessels are still at sea and are now sanctioned and can't port anywhere except China who will probably feel no need to purchase them except at the deepest of deep discounts, so it's not like Iran got money for the oil at market rates, and there's going to be a bunch they won't get paid for at all.
Their inflation continues to climb. Their GDP continues to fall.
And the oil markets just...balanced out.
I'd say we gained enough and Iran just kept losing. Including the rest of their oil fleet which the US can now disable or commandeer (we've done it to both Venezuela and Iran over the last year).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:01 PM (GKzf4)
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It seems that the MOU negotiations gave us time to settle much of the oil issues. We'll see.
Posted by: Splatner at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (qUkBO)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (2YhKe)
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Meanwhile, additional oil pipelines to the Red Sea and the Med are being constructed with viggah. Their terminals on the Red Sea are being enlarged, and Syrian port expansion is being planned.
The US and its allies have, so far, have played a hands-off policy when it comes to obliterating Iran's oil facilities. Now that the PRC has flipped the bird at Tehran by making new deals with non-Persian petroleum suppliers, a new approach may be taking shape.
The US and its allies have, so far, have played a hands-off policy when it comes to obliterating Iran's oil facilities. Now that the PRC has flipped the bird at Tehran by making new deals with non-Persian petroleum suppliers, a new approach may be taking shape.
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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So, consensus, NYT story BS or not ??
Posted by: runner at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (GD0B3)
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182 It seems that the MOU negotiations gave us time to settle much of the oil issues. We'll see.
Posted by: Splatner at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (qUkBO)
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While Iran fixed nothing, got bombed a few times for good measure, and the Gulf States continued to make moves away from Iran like Iraq arresting all of their Irani aligned politicians.
Posted by: Splatner at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (qUkBO)
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While Iran fixed nothing, got bombed a few times for good measure, and the Gulf States continued to make moves away from Iran like Iraq arresting all of their Irani aligned politicians.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (GKzf4)
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This is just a very strange story… I’m no spook so I don’t understand
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (U+L0d)
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But four senior Iranian officials said that Mr. Ahmadinejad was in the custody of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' intelligence wing, under house arrest now that Iran has learned about much of his interactions with Israel.
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Ah. So this little rat man turned tail when the going got rough, so his Israeli handlers burned him. What a clusterfuck.
But, I've never liked Ahmadinejad. He was a real problem once upon a time.
I hope they're carving him up with a bone saw.
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Ah. So this little rat man turned tail when the going got rough, so his Israeli handlers burned him. What a clusterfuck.
But, I've never liked Ahmadinejad. He was a real problem once upon a time.
I hope they're carving him up with a bone saw.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (BI5O2)
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Brent crude just went over $80.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (m2wmY)
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The CIA created another dossier? Did Ahmadinejad also have prostitutes peeing on him?
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (/WQyy)
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I too, thought Dinner Jacket had gotten capped early on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (zZu0s)
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184 Meanwhile, additional oil pipelines to the Red Sea and the Med are being constructed with viggah. Their terminals on the Red Sea are being enlarged, and Syrian port expansion is being planned.
The US and its allies have, so far, have played a hands-off policy when it comes to obliterating Iran's oil facilities. Now that the PRC has flipped the bird at Tehran by making new deals with non-Persian petroleum suppliers, a new approach may be taking shape.
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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We have assets in the region that can take Kharg Island through an amphibious assault and we actually bombed the key staging point for Kharg Island reinforcements from Iran last week.
The US and its allies have, so far, have played a hands-off policy when it comes to obliterating Iran's oil facilities. Now that the PRC has flipped the bird at Tehran by making new deals with non-Persian petroleum suppliers, a new approach may be taking shape.
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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We have assets in the region that can take Kharg Island through an amphibious assault and we actually bombed the key staging point for Kharg Island reinforcements from Iran last week.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (GKzf4)
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Interesting posting. Relative to most Iranian leaders, Ahm-A-Nutjob did seem less crazy than the rest of the leadership. Who knows? It might have worked, given some good luck.
Posted by: Ralph at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (8WZD4)
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I don’t mind Darline filling out her brother’s term for six months but if she decides to run for the seat and ends ups in sitting in it for twenty-five years, I’m not going to like it one bit.
We don’t need another nepo-dynasty in this state.
I actually considered that McMaster might appoint Lindsey’s sister but then I immediately dismissed it because she has no experience and it seemed like a crazy idea.
And now here we are.
We don’t need another nepo-dynasty in this state.
I actually considered that McMaster might appoint Lindsey’s sister but then I immediately dismissed it because she has no experience and it seemed like a crazy idea.
And now here we are.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (6ydKt)
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Headline (Reuters):
"Iran oil stuck at sea surges as China's teapots turn to rival Middle East supplies, traders say"
"Iran oil stuck at sea surges as China's teapots turn to rival Middle East supplies, traders say"
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (rj6Yv)
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I don't give a damn if the Strait of Hormuz ever opens, and a well-placed nuclear missile closing it forever would be exactly what I voted for.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth
Actually, nuking the Strait of Hormuz would only make it WIDER, and thus easier to transit and more difficult to close. Brilliant suggestion!
Posted by: God's Honest Truth
Actually, nuking the Strait of Hormuz would only make it WIDER, and thus easier to transit and more difficult to close. Brilliant suggestion!
Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (Av6i5)
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195 Headline (Reuters):
"Iran oil stuck at sea surges as China's teapots turn to rival Middle East supplies, traders say"
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (rj6Yv)
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Iran got billions of dollars in trade because of the oil waivers, guys.
Totally, guys.
Total surrender by Trump to let Iran trade oil, guys.
"Iran oil stuck at sea surges as China's teapots turn to rival Middle East supplies, traders say"
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (rj6Yv)
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Iran got billions of dollars in trade because of the oil waivers, guys.
Totally, guys.
Total surrender by Trump to let Iran trade oil, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (GKzf4)
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I too, thought Dinner Jacket had gotten capped early on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (zZu0s)
I thought he was in the group of 48 that got whacked at the kick off.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (zZu0s)
I thought he was in the group of 48 that got whacked at the kick off.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (wOO3z)
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Interesting posting. Relative to most Iranian leaders, Ahm-A-Nutjob did seem less crazy than the rest of the leadership. Who knows? It might have worked, given some good luck.
Posted by: Ralph at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (8WZD4)
I can remember from back when pundits pointing out his speeches were still pretty incendiary and nuts. While he seemed more westernized, he was still a nut job who maintained the forms.
Posted by: Ralph at July 13, 2026 03:04 PM (8WZD4)
I can remember from back when pundits pointing out his speeches were still pretty incendiary and nuts. While he seemed more westernized, he was still a nut job who maintained the forms.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (zZu0s)
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I remember when the MOU was bad because it gave Iran $300 billion in a wire instantly.
Now it's bad because it didn't do anything.
Now it's bad because it didn't do anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:06 PM (GKzf4)
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How did that go?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 13, 2026 03:06 PM (w1wpe)
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Turkey, for one, wants none of the Kurdish Groups to have any type of independence.
Posted by: garrett
I don't know enough about the region to know if Turkey has a point.
If all the Kurds were in an independent nation, would they keep all their fighting internal or would they constantly make trouble for their neighbors?
Posted by: garrett
I don't know enough about the region to know if Turkey has a point.
If all the Kurds were in an independent nation, would they keep all their fighting internal or would they constantly make trouble for their neighbors?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 13, 2026 03:06 PM (vJrRc)
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Sidebar ranking of ten worsttes to live, including Childcare, ignores Illinois. About half of Illinois school students proficient in math. Only two out of 5 read at the grade level.
Chicago public schools are even worse.
These children are crippled for life by a bad educatio
Chicago public schools are even worse.
These children are crippled for life by a bad educatio
Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 13, 2026 03:06 PM (O5nIL)
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Off to doctors
, wish me luck
, wish me luck
Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (Ia/+0)
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Totally, guys.
Total surrender by Trump to let Iran trade oil, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (GKzf4)
Thanks Paul.
It is very hard to tell trolls from regular sarcasm these days. Shows how far into crazy land we are.
Total surrender by Trump to let Iran trade oil, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (GKzf4)
Thanks Paul.
It is very hard to tell trolls from regular sarcasm these days. Shows how far into crazy land we are.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (zZu0s)
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Hi friends, my sister just called, my dad is in the hospital. He fainted and they had to do CPR. They are keeping him overnight, maybe 2 nights. His EKG is fine, but his sodium is low. I was okay until I heard the CPR part. Prayers would be appreciated right now.
Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (hftzA)
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (zZu0s)
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Jeffries is pretty gay...
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 02:57 PM (zZu0s)
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I don't care how pretty he is!
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 02:57 PM (zZu0s)
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I don't care how pretty he is!
Posted by: Axeman at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (Fi81e)
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200 I remember when the MOU was bad because it gave Iran $300 billion in a wire instantly.
Now it's bad because it didn't do anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:06 PM (GKzf4)
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Iran pretended it was going to open the straight.
The US pretended it was going to give them $300B.
Now it's bad because it didn't do anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:06 PM (GKzf4)
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Iran pretended it was going to open the straight.
The US pretended it was going to give them $300B.
Posted by: WisRich at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (G0vdT)
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It is very hard to tell trolls from regular sarcasm these days. Shows how far into crazy land we are.
TJM is always sarcastic. It's his best attribute. Except when you're trying to decide if he actually likes a movie.
TJM is always sarcastic. It's his best attribute. Except when you're trying to decide if he actually likes a movie.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: man at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (XuXeR)
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205 Thanks Paul.
It is very hard to tell trolls from regular sarcasm these days. Shows how far into crazy land we are.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (zZu0s)
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Trump letting Iran trade oil over 60 days is worse than Obama giving Iran cash, guys. While Obama also let Iran trade oil, guys.
It is very hard to tell trolls from regular sarcasm these days. Shows how far into crazy land we are.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (zZu0s)
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Trump letting Iran trade oil over 60 days is worse than Obama giving Iran cash, guys. While Obama also let Iran trade oil, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (GKzf4)
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Hi friends, my sister just called, my dad is in the hospital. He fainted and they had to do CPR. They are keeping him overnight, maybe 2 nights. His EKG is fine, but his sodium is low. I was okay until I heard the CPR part. Prayers would be appreciated right now.
Posted by: Piper
You got it.
Posted by: Piper
You got it.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (wOO3z)
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These children are crippled for life
Now do "New Math" that even my teachers couldn't understand.
Now do "New Math" that even my teachers couldn't understand.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (Kt19C)
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Prayers would be appreciated right now.
Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (hftzA)
Of course. Healing for PiperDad.
Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (hftzA)
Of course. Healing for PiperDad.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (zZu0s)
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209 Iran pretended it was going to open the straight.
The US pretended it was going to give them $300B.
Posted by: WisRich at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (G0vdT)
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Iran for real continued to contract its GDP, though.
The US pretended it was going to give them $300B.
Posted by: WisRich at July 13, 2026 03:07 PM (G0vdT)
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Iran for real continued to contract its GDP, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (GKzf4)
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I actually considered that McMaster might appoint Lindsey’s sister but then I immediately dismissed it because she has no experience and it seemed like a crazy idea.
And now here we are.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
The Senate: We are the greatest deliberative body in the world. Do not question our ways, lesser life forms.
Also the Senate: Sure, some woman with no legislative experience will fit right in. She's a Senator's sister, so she's part of the cool kids' club.
And now here we are.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
The Senate: We are the greatest deliberative body in the world. Do not question our ways, lesser life forms.
Also the Senate: Sure, some woman with no legislative experience will fit right in. She's a Senator's sister, so she's part of the cool kids' club.
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (VHUov)
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196 I don't give a damn if the Strait of Hormuz ever opens, and a well-placed nuclear missile closing it forever would be exactly what I voted for.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth
Actually, nuking the Strait of Hormuz would only make it WIDER, and thus easier to transit and more difficult to close. Brilliant suggestion!
Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (Av6i5)
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I never said to nuke the Strait of Hormuz. You said that.
I want to nuke the land on one side of the Strait of Hormuz, instantaneously shifting millions of metric tons of earth INTO the Strait of Hormuz, closing it forever.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth
Actually, nuking the Strait of Hormuz would only make it WIDER, and thus easier to transit and more difficult to close. Brilliant suggestion!
Posted by: zombie at July 13, 2026 03:05 PM (Av6i5)
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I never said to nuke the Strait of Hormuz. You said that.
I want to nuke the land on one side of the Strait of Hormuz, instantaneously shifting millions of metric tons of earth INTO the Strait of Hormuz, closing it forever.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (FTLtd)
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (VHUov)
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The SNL treatment Ahmindinejad got in the video "Iran So Far" is probably still remembered.
https://tinyurl.com/2vmht3k2
https://tinyurl.com/2vmht3k2
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (0cxsI)
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Hi friends, my sister just called, my dad is in the hospital. He fainted and they had to do CPR. They are keeping him overnight, maybe 2 nights. His EKG is fine, but his sodium is low. I was okay until I heard the CPR part. Prayers would be appreciated right now.
Prayers are up, even though I initially misread that as "but his scrotum is low". If they had to do CPR it wasn't just fainting.
Prayers are up, even though I initially misread that as "but his scrotum is low". If they had to do CPR it wasn't just fainting.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (2ocoG)
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Thank you, everyone.
Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2026 03:10 PM (hftzA)
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We have assets in the region that can take Kharg Island through an amphibious assault and we actually bombed the key staging point for Kharg Island reinforcements from Iran last week.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (GKzf4)
I think Kharg is symbolic, but it's not strategic. I think it could be a high risk operation, but it can be blocked without risk. Qeshm and the other islands, on the other hand, are very strategic and should not be high risk operations. (Iran can't reinforce them)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (GKzf4)
I think Kharg is symbolic, but it's not strategic. I think it could be a high risk operation, but it can be blocked without risk. Qeshm and the other islands, on the other hand, are very strategic and should not be high risk operations. (Iran can't reinforce them)
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (edUvp)
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My biggest issue with nation building is ultimately the fate of these countries is up to the people living in them. We basically handed it over to them on a silver platter and crickets.
Middle Eastern men have shown over and over again that they are absolute cowards. They want us to do all the heavy lifting.
This regime has committed genocide and have a collapsed economy, but they won't do anything about it. Even after we wipe out their leadership.
Middle Eastern men have shown over and over again that they are absolute cowards. They want us to do all the heavy lifting.
This regime has committed genocide and have a collapsed economy, but they won't do anything about it. Even after we wipe out their leadership.
Posted by: Leupold at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (eIzlH)
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Brent crude just went over $80.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (m2wmY)
West Texas is over $77 so things are fairly normal with the 3 buck split.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 13, 2026 03:03 PM (m2wmY)
West Texas is over $77 so things are fairly normal with the 3 buck split.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (rbvCR)
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Prayers would be appreciated right now.
Posted by: Piper
Of course . May the Lord strengthen your dad and give him full recovery .
Posted by: Piper
Of course . May the Lord strengthen your dad and give him full recovery .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (D+BhG)
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Brent is a futures market so it is financialized, WTI is for actual delivery.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (rbvCR)
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Prayer up, Piper.
Posted by: Bulg at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (77rzZ)
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The "Republican states are hellholes unfit for human habitation" listicles have been hitting my hatefeed every day.
I've said for awhile that there's a conspiracy of silence. Simply nobody in public even mentions the huge, historic mass migration that just happened, and still continues at a less frantic pace even now.
But listicles like those tell me the reality of it starting to sink in for the Leftists.
I've said for awhile that there's a conspiracy of silence. Simply nobody in public even mentions the huge, historic mass migration that just happened, and still continues at a less frantic pace even now.
But listicles like those tell me the reality of it starting to sink in for the Leftists.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 13, 2026 03:11 PM (BI5O2)
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>>If all the Kurds were in an independent nation, would they keep all their fighting internal or would they constantly make trouble for their neighbors?
I doubt they are the forgiving type, myself. They are a regionally diverse group and have many a blood debt outstanding.
I doubt they are the forgiving type, myself. They are a regionally diverse group and have many a blood debt outstanding.
Posted by: garrett at July 13, 2026 03:12 PM (uzmqU)
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Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 03:08 PM (VHUov)
As a temporary appointment so as not to give any of those who plan to run a head start is a smart thing to do imo. She will vote exactly as Lindsey would have.
As a temporary appointment so as not to give any of those who plan to run a head start is a smart thing to do imo. She will vote exactly as Lindsey would have.
Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2026 03:12 PM (/WQyy)
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Also the Senate: Sure, some woman with no legislative experience will fit right in. She's a Senator's sister, so she's part of the cool kids' club.
Is it bad that I can name a dozen Democrat Senators off the top of my head that she's likely smarter than?
Is it bad that I can name a dozen Democrat Senators off the top of my head that she's likely smarter than?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2026 03:12 PM (2ocoG)
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The Persian Gulf used to reach all the way to Ur. Ur was a coastal city.
♫ The More You Know... ♫
♫ The More You Know... ♫
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 13, 2026 03:12 PM (4NO2D)
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How about:
1) Occupy Kharg Island & the other small islands nearby. Would this nicely complement Trump's re-imposition of the embargo on Iran's oil exports? Might it cause Iran to realize that things could get a lot worse?
2. Find a Kurdish group which will declare the Kurdish-populated territory in Iran to be a new, independent Kurdish nation. Might this not also move Iran toward the realization that it could get a lot worse?
I don't subscribe to the view that there are "rogue elements" in Iran's leadership, let alone "moderates." I think this is a pipedream which the regime encourages.
What the U.S. has done lately is clearly not enough to change the behavior of the ruling IRGC clique.
I suspect the Iranian decision makers believe that all they need to do is stall until the U.S. election, & then wait for the new Congress to cut off funding for the war. They may be right. The war is already unpopular in the U.S.-- unless one believes all the polls are wrong & that the war is actually quite popular. And DEMs are starting to employ the dreaded "Quagmire!" "Stop this endless war!" rhetoric.
1) Occupy Kharg Island & the other small islands nearby. Would this nicely complement Trump's re-imposition of the embargo on Iran's oil exports? Might it cause Iran to realize that things could get a lot worse?
2. Find a Kurdish group which will declare the Kurdish-populated territory in Iran to be a new, independent Kurdish nation. Might this not also move Iran toward the realization that it could get a lot worse?
I don't subscribe to the view that there are "rogue elements" in Iran's leadership, let alone "moderates." I think this is a pipedream which the regime encourages.
What the U.S. has done lately is clearly not enough to change the behavior of the ruling IRGC clique.
I suspect the Iranian decision makers believe that all they need to do is stall until the U.S. election, & then wait for the new Congress to cut off funding for the war. They may be right. The war is already unpopular in the U.S.-- unless one believes all the polls are wrong & that the war is actually quite popular. And DEMs are starting to employ the dreaded "Quagmire!" "Stop this endless war!" rhetoric.
Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2026 03:12 PM (RCjYY)
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I never said to nuke the Strait of Hormuz. You said that.
I want to nuke the land on one side of the Strait of Hormuz, instantaneously shifting millions of metric tons of earth INTO the Strait of Hormuz, closing it forever.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (FTLtd)
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It would be far cheaper to plant minefields at every Iranian oil terminal.
I want to nuke the land on one side of the Strait of Hormuz, instantaneously shifting millions of metric tons of earth INTO the Strait of Hormuz, closing it forever.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (FTLtd)
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It would be far cheaper to plant minefields at every Iranian oil terminal.
Posted by: mrp at July 13, 2026 03:13 PM (rj6Yv)
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Nood elections
Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 13, 2026 03:13 PM (vJrRc)
Posted by: screaming in digital at July 13, 2026 03:14 PM (hPLSE)
Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2026 03:15 PM (RCjYY)
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"It would be far cheaper to plant minefields at every Iranian oil terminal."
Obviously not. We've built the nukes, they're already accounted for.
We don't have to come up with cheap Chinese-manufactured mines on the fly. We don't have to plant them while dodging drones.
Boom. Done. Simple solution that enriches nobody but Americans.
Or is THAT the problem?
Obviously not. We've built the nukes, they're already accounted for.
We don't have to come up with cheap Chinese-manufactured mines on the fly. We don't have to plant them while dodging drones.
Boom. Done. Simple solution that enriches nobody but Americans.
Or is THAT the problem?
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:15 PM (FTLtd)
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Also the Senate: Sure, some woman with no legislative experience will fit right in. She's a Senator's sister, so she's part of the cool kids' club.
Is it bad that I can name a dozen Democrat Senators off the top of my head that she's likely smarter than?
Posted by: Ian S.
If by "bad" you mean "expected," very yes.
Is it bad that I can name a dozen Democrat Senators off the top of my head that she's likely smarter than?
Posted by: Ian S.
If by "bad" you mean "expected," very yes.
Posted by: mikeski at July 13, 2026 03:15 PM (VHUov)
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I want to nuke the land on one side of the Strait of Hormuz, instantaneously shifting millions of metric tons of earth INTO the Strait of Hormuz, closing it forever.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (FTLtd)
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Hormuz is 21 miles at its narrowest. Bombing it "closed" doesn't seam feasible no matter how many nukes you have.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:09 PM (FTLtd)
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Hormuz is 21 miles at its narrowest. Bombing it "closed" doesn't seam feasible no matter how many nukes you have.
Posted by: WisRich at July 13, 2026 03:17 PM (G0vdT)
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I didn’t really care about the terms of the MOU because I knew there was a 100% chance the Iranians wouldn’t follow through and we’d be right back to the where we were in a few weeks.
At some point I just started thinking Trump was going through the motions for appearances sake but he also knew he’d be back to bombing in a gew weeks.
It’s a tough spot.
Hope it works out.
But I have no confidence that anything but total surrender, or total obliteration, of the regime will end the conflict.
At some point I just started thinking Trump was going through the motions for appearances sake but he also knew he’d be back to bombing in a gew weeks.
It’s a tough spot.
Hope it works out.
But I have no confidence that anything but total surrender, or total obliteration, of the regime will end the conflict.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 13, 2026 03:20 PM (6ydKt)
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You can render it completely unnavigable and take the whole blackmail off the table.
Again why not?
Why should Americans put up with any more of this war shit when we have the overwhelming ability to render the Strait impassible?
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Again why not?
Why should Americans put up with any more of this war shit when we have the overwhelming ability to render the Strait impassible?
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:20 PM (FTLtd)
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241 Hormuz is 21 miles at its narrowest. Bombing it "closed" doesn't seam feasible no matter how many nukes you have.
what if we crash that platinum asteroid into it?
what if we crash that platinum asteroid into it?
Posted by: anachronda at July 13, 2026 03:27 PM (v3pYe)
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Piper...prayers for your father's complete recovery.
Does he have a history of a-fib? I think low sodium can trigger it. If that is the cause it can be managed.
Does he have a history of a-fib? I think low sodium can trigger it. If that is the cause it can be managed.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 13, 2026 03:28 PM (hzuYO)
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"Hormuz is 21 miles at its narrowest. Bombing it "closed" doesn't seam feasible no matter how many nukes you have."
Physically impossible was also the case the liberals made against StarWars missile defense my entire life.
Thanks for letting me know you've changed sides.
Physically impossible was also the case the liberals made against StarWars missile defense my entire life.
Thanks for letting me know you've changed sides.
Posted by: God's Honest Truth at July 13, 2026 03:30 PM (FTLtd)
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The revolution consumes its own.
Posted by: AMartel at July 13, 2026 04:11 PM (otvi3)
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FASCINATING interview of Armin Navabi, member of the Iranian Resistance movement, about what's really going on inside Iran right now:
https://youtu.be/ LF_Ct0TvUMg?si= Z5jhNo9np-nOEhnW
https://youtu.be/ LF_Ct0TvUMg?si= Z5jhNo9np-nOEhnW
Posted by: Beverly at July 13, 2026 04:17 PM (reMys)
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