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THE MORNING RANT: Ford Rehires Engineers, Blames AI (not Its EVs Debacle) for Having Dismissed Them in the First Place
Ford has rehired experienced human engineers to help address the shortcomings of artificial intelligence (AI) tools meant to tackle quality issues in the automaker’s production processes. ----- “Over prior years, we didn’t pay as much attention as we should have to the experience of our most knowledgeable engineers that have been with us through many product cycles…” ----- “Mistakenly, we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and ingesting the design requirements that we had, that would produce a high quality product…” ----- [Ford’s VP of Vehicle Hardware Engineering] also noted that the AI tools lacked the training and expertise that veteran technicians have, and many of the company’s veteran technicians left Ford before their knowledge could be used to improve the performance of the AI tools.The “EV transition” failed, and the American auto industry is now de-transitioning back to a focus on manufacturing (gasoline-powered) vehicles which Americans are willing to buy. But for old times’ sake, here is an update on Ford’s misguided efforts to become an EV manufacturer. The sales report is out for last month (June 2026). It’s awful: • Ford sold only 2,322 EVs, which represented just 1.3% of its total US vehicle sales. • Those 2,322 EVs included discontinued F150 Lightnings, which Ford is practically giving away to make them go away. I’d call it a “fire sale,” but that seems a little insensitive considering the Lightning’s propensity to spontaneously erupt into flames. • The 1,715 Mustang Mach-Es that we were sold represented a 32% decline from June 2025’s already abysmal numbers. The next big milestone for Ford’s EV de-transition is for it to formally announce that manufacture of the Mustang Mach E is being terminated. The many descendants of Henry Ford still hold a controlling interest in Ford stock. A Ford-family revolt against the destruction wrought by Bill Ford would also be in order. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Rant on, MacDuff!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 06, 2026 11:00 AM (/HDaX)
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Commenting present
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2026 11:00 AM (sgkY8)
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First?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sKqQm)
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Tnen again
As a Ford truck owner for 35 years, probably last one I will have
As a Ford truck owner for 35 years, probably last one I will have
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sgkY8)
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How is Ford's CEO keeping his job. The imbecile has lost over $30 billion. Yet he is still making hundreds of millions and has his job but is fucking the company up.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (xvV+O)
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NOODED.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (/HDaX)
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I've always bought American cars. I suspect my next will be Japanese...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sKqQm)
Posted by: The Electric Slide at July 06, 2026 11:03 AM (HnUDF)
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8 It's Electric!
Do do-do-do doot-doot
Posted by: The Electric Slide at July 06, 2026 11:03 AM (HnUDF)
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That's what the colored girls say.
Do do-do-do doot-doot
Posted by: The Electric Slide at July 06, 2026 11:03 AM (HnUDF)
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That's what the colored girls say.
Posted by: Lou Reed at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (PiwSw)
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How is Ford's CEO keeping his job. The imbecile has lost over $30 billion. Yet he is still making hundreds of millions and has his job but is fucking the company up.
One big problem with modern corporate governance is there really isn't someone actively protecting the stock holders from bad execs.
The old model where one person/family owned the company gave an obvious system to regulate this - make bad decisions and you cost yourself money now though CEOs can make objectively bad decisions and still get $$$
One big problem with modern corporate governance is there really isn't someone actively protecting the stock holders from bad execs.
The old model where one person/family owned the company gave an obvious system to regulate this - make bad decisions and you cost yourself money now though CEOs can make objectively bad decisions and still get $$$
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (sKqQm)
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and many of the company’s veteran technicians left Ford before their knowledge could be used to improve the performance of the AI tools.
So, the techs failed to position their successor AI's for success.
Fire them again!
So, the techs failed to position their successor AI's for success.
Fire them again!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (/HDaX)
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Ford has a worser idea.
Posted by: And it's made from Lithium ions at July 06, 2026 11:05 AM (2Ez/1)
Posted by: The Electric Slide at July 06, 2026 11:05 AM (HnUDF)
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5 How is Ford's CEO keeping his job. The imbecile has lost over $30 billion. Yet he is still making hundreds of millions and has his job but is fucking the company up.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (xvV+O)
Shareholder oversight of public companies is often minimal, absent an activist investor. Positions in companies are turned over regularly and a lot of ownership is held in index funds.
Conversely this does make it easy to change the direction of a company with 5-10% ownership.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (xvV+O)
Shareholder oversight of public companies is often minimal, absent an activist investor. Positions in companies are turned over regularly and a lot of ownership is held in index funds.
Conversely this does make it easy to change the direction of a company with 5-10% ownership.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at July 06, 2026 11:06 AM (okun6)
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5 How is Ford's CEO keeping his job. The imbecile has lost over $30 billion. Yet he is still making hundreds of millions and has his job but is fucking the company up.
Posted by: Jukin
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Ford is controlled by a special stock class that the Ford heirs dominate. So if the Ford heirs want Farley to stay, he stays. If they wanted Lee Iacocca out despite his auto savvy and profits, then Iacocca goes.
A few other corporations are set up that way by families--the investors get more of the profits but control stays with the other stock class.
Posted by: Jukin
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Ford is controlled by a special stock class that the Ford heirs dominate. So if the Ford heirs want Farley to stay, he stays. If they wanted Lee Iacocca out despite his auto savvy and profits, then Iacocca goes.
A few other corporations are set up that way by families--the investors get more of the profits but control stays with the other stock class.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:06 AM (E4rtv)
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There is only room for one EV company unless another can find a battery break through. Trying to join a limited market without having something better than the current market leader is a recipe for failure.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:07 AM (/WQyy)
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The old model where one person/family owned the company gave an obvious system to regulate this - make bad decisions and you cost yourself money now though CEOs can make objectively bad decisions and still get $$$
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (sKqQm)
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A large share of the blame goes to 401Ks run by Vanguard, State Street, Black Rock that use other people's money to force their ideas on companies/corps.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (sKqQm)
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A large share of the blame goes to 401Ks run by Vanguard, State Street, Black Rock that use other people's money to force their ideas on companies/corps.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:07 AM (xvV+O)
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"Ford is owned by a diverse group of shareholders but largely controlled by the Ford family. This is made possible through Ford's dual-class stock structure that concentrates voting rights in Class B shares. The Class B shares account for 2% of the company but collectively hold 40% of the voting power. These are owned by the Ford family, while the public owns Ford's common shares."
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:07 AM (E4rtv)
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My company has done that once or twice over the years in regards to IT.
Always cost them 2x to hire them back.
Always cost them 2x to hire them back.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2026 11:07 AM (MXaEW)
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Is Ford the least worst US car manufacturer?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 06, 2026 11:07 AM (HnUDF)
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15 5 How is Ford's CEO keeping his job. The imbecile has lost over $30 billion. Yet he is still making hundreds of millions and has his job but is fucking the company up.
Posted by: Jukin
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Ford is controlled by a special stock class that the Ford heirs dominate. So if the Ford heirs want Farley to stay, he stays. If they wanted Lee Iacocca out despite his auto savvy and profits, then Iacocca goes.
A few other corporations are set up that way by families--the investors get more of the profits but control stays with the other stock class.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:06 AM (E4rtv)
Looks like the Ford family holds about 40% of the voting power. Nearly all of the rest is in funds.
Posted by: Jukin
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Ford is controlled by a special stock class that the Ford heirs dominate. So if the Ford heirs want Farley to stay, he stays. If they wanted Lee Iacocca out despite his auto savvy and profits, then Iacocca goes.
A few other corporations are set up that way by families--the investors get more of the profits but control stays with the other stock class.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:06 AM (E4rtv)
Looks like the Ford family holds about 40% of the voting power. Nearly all of the rest is in funds.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at July 06, 2026 11:08 AM (okun6)
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When the EV debacle began, I believe everyone with any sense knew that Ford and the other car companies would either have to reverse course at huge expense, or disappear. Amazing it’s taken them so long to figure it out.
I believe their only true plan was “we can do whatever we want, and the Feds will subsidize us out of any trouble.”
Bad bet, fools, bad bet.
I believe their only true plan was “we can do whatever we want, and the Feds will subsidize us out of any trouble.”
Bad bet, fools, bad bet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:08 AM (6SRz+)
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Don't question. Buy more product. Then get excited to buy more product!
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 06, 2026 11:08 AM (wBaIH)
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At FORD, LOSING MONEY IS JOB NUMBER 1!!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:08 AM (xvV+O)
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I thought the Electric Company ended back in the 70s.
Posted by: Darth Randall at July 06, 2026 11:09 AM (mseD3)
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A large share of the blame goes to 401Ks run by Vanguard, State Street, Black Rock that use other people's money to force their ideas on companies/corps.
Posted by: Jukin
True enough. But large banks are also involved. Globaloney crap and Glass-Stegall needs to be recreated. Time to force those giant monster mega banks to divest and pick whether they want to do investment and large commercial banking or to service US consumers and small business.
Posted by: Jukin
True enough. But large banks are also involved. Globaloney crap and Glass-Stegall needs to be recreated. Time to force those giant monster mega banks to divest and pick whether they want to do investment and large commercial banking or to service US consumers and small business.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (E4rtv)
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A large share of the blame goes to 401Ks run by Vanguard, State Street, Black Rock that use other people's money to force their ideas on companies/corps.
I've been arguing for a while one change that could have a major impact here is to allow the owners of those funds to vote their shares even if they hold them through a holding company.
I've been arguing for a while one change that could have a major impact here is to allow the owners of those funds to vote their shares even if they hold them through a holding company.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (sKqQm)
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Tau-rus, for us!
Posted by: I've got nothing at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (pBJ6M)
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I suspect the Ford EV thing ultimately failed because they were depending on the government restricting ICE cars.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:11 AM (sKqQm)
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5 How is Ford's CEO keeping his job. The imbecile has lost over $30 billion.
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It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.
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It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.
Posted by: Kramer at July 06, 2026 11:11 AM (2Ez/1)
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Looks like the Ford family holds about 40% of the voting power. Nearly all of the rest is in funds.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
In practical terms, 40 percent is enough to control the corporation as the Ford Foundation still owns a chunk and the Ford family still has some sway there as well.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
In practical terms, 40 percent is enough to control the corporation as the Ford Foundation still owns a chunk and the Ford family still has some sway there as well.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:11 AM (E4rtv)
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I knew I should have bought a Ferrari. Ugly factories building ugly cars.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 06, 2026 11:11 AM (wBaIH)
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27 "A large share of the blame goes to 401Ks run by Vanguard, State Street, Black Rock that use other people's money to force their ideas on companies/corps."
I've been arguing for a while one change that could have a major impact here is to allow the owners of those funds to vote their shares even if they hold them through a holding company.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (sKqQm)
They've been rolling out voting programs to set that up. In general it'll still be a case of people not paying much attention and management getting whatever it puts forward though.
I've been arguing for a while one change that could have a major impact here is to allow the owners of those funds to vote their shares even if they hold them through a holding company.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (sKqQm)
They've been rolling out voting programs to set that up. In general it'll still be a case of people not paying much attention and management getting whatever it puts forward though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at July 06, 2026 11:12 AM (okun6)
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"Our most important assets leave the building every evening."
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 06, 2026 11:13 AM (qFwJc)
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There is only room for one EV company unless another can find a battery break through. Trying to join a limited market without having something better than the current market leader is a recipe for failure.
Posted by: polynikes
We can start a battery company to sell to Tesla. We could call it Solyndra.
Wait.
Posted by: polynikes
We can start a battery company to sell to Tesla. We could call it Solyndra.
Wait.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2026 11:13 AM (MXaEW)
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On the surface this looks like bad management.
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:13 AM (+aHie)
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I've been arguing for a while one change that could have a major impact here is to allow the owners of those funds to vote their shares even if they hold them through a holding company.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (sKqQm)
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Agree 100%!
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:10 AM (sKqQm)
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Agree 100%!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:13 AM (xvV+O)
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I've owned a vehicle from each of the big three and their subsidiaries. I've been fortunate that none of the cars/trucks were lemons.
I've also owned cars from the Japanese big three.
One of the Mazdas was a lemon.
I've also owned cars from the Japanese big three.
One of the Mazdas was a lemon.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:13 AM (/WQyy)
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They've been rolling out voting programs to set that up. In general it'll still be a case of people not paying much attention and management getting whatever it puts forward though.
I bought a few shares of amazon and I see I can now vote against a list of leftwing assholes not that I suspect it will do anything...
I bought a few shares of amazon and I see I can now vote against a list of leftwing assholes not that I suspect it will do anything...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:14 AM (sKqQm)
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I've been arguing for a while one change that could have a major impact here is to allow the owners of those funds to vote their shares even if they hold them through a holding company.
Posted by: 18-1
Logistical nightmare because of fractional ownership. Easier just to ban the big investment firms from voting at all which introduces its own set of distortions. Realistically, those big three should be broken up themselves as they serve no purpose anymore given market index funds are easy for even small firms to do nowadays.
Posted by: 18-1
Logistical nightmare because of fractional ownership. Easier just to ban the big investment firms from voting at all which introduces its own set of distortions. Realistically, those big three should be broken up themselves as they serve no purpose anymore given market index funds are easy for even small firms to do nowadays.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:14 AM (E4rtv)
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I suspect the Ford EV thing ultimately failed because they were depending on the government restricting ICE cars.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:14 AM (vTZFs)
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I mean, if you can't trust the government, who can you trust?
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:15 AM (vTZFs)
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22 When the EV debacle began, I believe everyone with any sense knew that Ford and the other car companies would either have to reverse course at huge expense, or disappear. Amazing it’s taken them so long to figure it out.
I believe their only true plan was “we can do whatever we want, and the Feds will subsidize us out of any trouble.”
Bad bet, fools, bad bet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:08 AM (6SRz+)
Force the consumer to buy a new(or greatly modified) product line is a popular but usually unsuccessful strategy.
Experimentation is one thing, but killing off a big good or service and trying to shunt all those customers to the new one is incredibly risky.
I believe their only true plan was “we can do whatever we want, and the Feds will subsidize us out of any trouble.”
Bad bet, fools, bad bet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:08 AM (6SRz+)
Force the consumer to buy a new(or greatly modified) product line is a popular but usually unsuccessful strategy.
Experimentation is one thing, but killing off a big good or service and trying to shunt all those customers to the new one is incredibly risky.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at July 06, 2026 11:15 AM (okun6)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (xvV+O)
Posted by: Phoney baloney plastic banana slogan from HR at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (2Ez/1)
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Logistical nightmare because of fractional ownership/i]
Does that really matter though?
If Joe Smith has 2.42 shares of Walmart because he has them through an index fund or something why does that matter?
Does that really matter though?
If Joe Smith has 2.42 shares of Walmart because he has them through an index fund or something why does that matter?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (sKqQm)
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41 I suspect the Ford EV thing ultimately failed because they were depending on the government restricting ICE cars.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (E4rtv)
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I took a long road trip recently.
Burned through a few tanks of gas. Each time it was 5m to fill up the car and then go on.
Imagine trying that in an EV?
Burned through a few tanks of gas. Each time it was 5m to fill up the car and then go on.
Imagine trying that in an EV?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:17 AM (sKqQm)
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Every time this topic comes up, I can’t help but think of the sad case of Jaguar, which has been almost completely shut down for about a year now. The company keeps claiming that they are coming back with a new high end model, and recently came out with a prototype. It did indeed look impressive; but it’s all electric and will cost at least $250k, maybe more.
Can a company stay alive by selling maybe 60 or 70 cars per Year, total?
Can a company stay alive by selling maybe 60 or 70 cars per Year, total?
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:18 AM (6SRz+)
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This won't be the first time Ford has terminated their electric vehicle production. Henry Ford and Thomas Edison were in the process of setting the industry and its investors on their respective ears when they suddenly went quiet and walked away in 1914. But that's all different now and we don't need to know about all that.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at July 06, 2026 11:18 AM (zdLoL)
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Perhaps Farley and Ford feel that it is politically safer to blame AI than to blame their EV debacle.
The nepots are never the equal of the founder. If I owned Ford stock, I'd demand that they fire both of these fools and find someone who actually knows what he's doing.
I'd also be wary of the engineers I could entice to return. If they were any good, they'd already be working at another auto company and would tell Ford to KMA.
The nepots are never the equal of the founder. If I owned Ford stock, I'd demand that they fire both of these fools and find someone who actually knows what he's doing.
I'd also be wary of the engineers I could entice to return. If they were any good, they'd already be working at another auto company and would tell Ford to KMA.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:18 AM (Riz8t)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2026 11:18 AM (MXaEW)
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Had a Hyundai rental, was nice, certainly if looking for another vehicle would take a look at one
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2026 11:19 AM (sgkY8)
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It's a bit amusing to see Ford blame AI, and electricity hogging venture, as the reason for their EV demise and tanking stock price.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (jehhT)
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Logistical nightmare because of fractional ownership.
There have been some baby steps toward that. Over the last year or two there’s been a move to allowing the fund owners to choose which group will vote for them rather than it just being, say, Vanguard.
There have been some baby steps toward that. Over the last year or two there’s been a move to allowing the fund owners to choose which group will vote for them rather than it just being, say, Vanguard.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (kYmoU)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (xvV+O)
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There is only room for one EV company unless another can find a battery break through.
It's just around the corner. Around the corner.
There is only room for one EV company unless another can find a battery break through.
It's just around the corner. Around the corner.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (Cqx++)
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Thx Buck.
Bill Ford is a vegan. Maybe a vegan should never run a car company. Car companies should be run by meat eaters
Bill Ford is a vegan. Maybe a vegan should never run a car company. Car companies should be run by meat eaters
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (G15zZ)
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I'd also be wary of the engineers I could entice to return. If they were any good, they'd already be working at another auto company and would tell Ford to KMA.
That assumes that the rest of the industry wasn't following the same playbook as Ford. All of them were to greater or lesser extent.
That assumes that the rest of the industry wasn't following the same playbook as Ford. All of them were to greater or lesser extent.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (vTZFs)
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Best car i had, despite a couple of annoying flaws, was my '96 Saturn SL2.
Posted by: Dark Lix. at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (DZ9Lv)
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In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:14 AM (vTZFs)
And the lesson to the wise is: even when you think the government is on your side, always bet on them lying to you.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:14 AM (vTZFs)
And the lesson to the wise is: even when you think the government is on your side, always bet on them lying to you.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (6SRz+)
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IN A YUGO!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqTKZgEW8pM
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM
Obligatory:
Joe Friday: After losing the two previous vehicles we had been issued, the only car the department was willing to release to us at this point was an unmarked 1987 Yugo, a Yugoslavian import donated to the department as a test vehicle by the government of that country and reflecting the cutting edge of Serbo-Croatian technology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqTKZgEW8pM
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM
Obligatory:
Joe Friday: After losing the two previous vehicles we had been issued, the only car the department was willing to release to us at this point was an unmarked 1987 Yugo, a Yugoslavian import donated to the department as a test vehicle by the government of that country and reflecting the cutting edge of Serbo-Croatian technology.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2026 11:20 AM (bFu5X)
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Can a company stay alive by selling maybe 60 or 70 cars per Year, total?
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:18 AM
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Is this about us?
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:18 AM
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Is this about us?
Posted by: Fisker, Aptera, Polestar and Rivian at July 06, 2026 11:21 AM (2Ez/1)
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If Joe Smith has 2.42 shares of Walmart because he has them through an index fund or something why does that matter?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (sKqQm)
Because he'll tell two friends with shares, and they'll tell two friends, and so on and so on and so on....
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (sKqQm)
Because he'll tell two friends with shares, and they'll tell two friends, and so on and so on and so on....
Posted by: Faberge Index Fund at July 06, 2026 11:21 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Ford thought it wouldn’t need them any longer"
No offense, but you misspelled "was going to make bank on taxpayer cash"
This is the inEVitable result of the guv spending more than the combined value of US automakers on 'electrifying...
No offense, but you misspelled "was going to make bank on taxpayer cash"
This is the inEVitable result of the guv spending more than the combined value of US automakers on 'electrifying...
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 11:21 AM (XuXeR)
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I took a long road trip recently.
Burned through a few tanks of gas. Each time it was 5m to fill up the car and then go on.
Imagine trying that in an EV?
Posted by: 18-1
Not quite as slow as a Conestoga wagon...
Burned through a few tanks of gas. Each time it was 5m to fill up the car and then go on.
Imagine trying that in an EV?
Posted by: 18-1
Not quite as slow as a Conestoga wagon...
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2026 11:21 AM (MXaEW)
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41 I suspect the Ford EV thing ultimately failed because they were depending on the government restricting ICE cars.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
And it would have worked if not for those annoying Trump-supporting, ICE-driving voters!
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
And it would have worked if not for those annoying Trump-supporting, ICE-driving voters!
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:21 AM (Riz8t)
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47 41 I suspect the Ford EV thing ultimately failed because they were depending on the government restricting ICE cars.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (E4rtv)
Any company that
1) Been in business for 10+ years
2) and suckles on the government tit
knows that political winds shift with each election. Our automobile manufacturers hung their hat on Democratic leader promises, ignored their customers and are suffering extreme financial losses. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
In fairness to them, that's exactly what the government said it would do and was trying to do.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:16 AM (E4rtv)
Any company that
1) Been in business for 10+ years
2) and suckles on the government tit
knows that political winds shift with each election. Our automobile manufacturers hung their hat on Democratic leader promises, ignored their customers and are suffering extreme financial losses. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:21 AM (N39Ws)
69
If Joe Smith has 2.42 shares of Walmart because he has them through an index fund or something why does that matter?
Posted by: 18-1
Because index funds are buying and selling component companies every second so determining just how many shares Joe Smith 'owns' becomes extremely difficult as to timing and as to determining the exact number of fractional shares he owns at that particular moment used to measure 'ownership' for voting purposes.
You don't have that problem with individual ownership of stock. Indexes are derivatives of the original stock certificate owners and then you have the secondary derivatives that are basically bets on the direction of the primaries and required to have some interest to do so--VIX, etc.
Like gambling, the major investment companies live and die by arbitrage (the house take) and to do that well, require enormous sums of other people's money to get that consistent small profit to be amplified into billions.
Posted by: 18-1
Because index funds are buying and selling component companies every second so determining just how many shares Joe Smith 'owns' becomes extremely difficult as to timing and as to determining the exact number of fractional shares he owns at that particular moment used to measure 'ownership' for voting purposes.
You don't have that problem with individual ownership of stock. Indexes are derivatives of the original stock certificate owners and then you have the secondary derivatives that are basically bets on the direction of the primaries and required to have some interest to do so--VIX, etc.
Like gambling, the major investment companies live and die by arbitrage (the house take) and to do that well, require enormous sums of other people's money to get that consistent small profit to be amplified into billions.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:22 AM (E4rtv)
70
Like Hollywood, even when they see that conservative American loving based movies make a ton of money they continue to make the money losing lefty American hating movies.
You can predict what the left minded person will do but you can never explain it.
You can predict what the left minded person will do but you can never explain it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (/WQyy)
71
And it would have worked if not for those annoying Trump-supporting, ICE-driving voters!
And their dog!
And their dog!
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (vTZFs)
72
One of Ford's unforgivable sins was perverting the Mustang brand. Making a 4 door version of it, making an EV branded one. Harkens back to when Ford came out with the Probe which was to replace the aging Mustang. Anybody see any Ford Probes around?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (N39Ws)
73
Ford thought it wouldn’t need them any longer"
No offense, but you misspelled "was going to make bank on taxpayer cash
This.
No offense, but you misspelled "was going to make bank on taxpayer cash
This.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (Riz8t)
74
EVs such a great idea that they have to be government mandated!!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (xvV+O)
75
I cannot believe the Warriors drafted Joe Smith with the #1 pick in 1995.
Posted by: Dark Lix. at July 06, 2026 11:24 AM (DZ9Lv)
76
>>>>I've always bought American cars. I suspect my next will be Japanese...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sKqQm)
*****
Same here. I've always bought American cars but my latest purchase, a GMC (aka, Get More Cash) has cured me of that. No more.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sKqQm)
*****
Same here. I've always bought American cars but my latest purchase, a GMC (aka, Get More Cash) has cured me of that. No more.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 06, 2026 11:25 AM (0prF9)
77
Everyone in NYC who has an EV should plug it in at the same time during the next heat wave.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:25 AM (N39Ws)
78
Because index funds are buying and selling component companies every second so determining just how many shares Joe Smith 'owns' becomes extremely difficult
But we already do that for earnings/taxes.
But we already do that for earnings/taxes.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:25 AM (sKqQm)
79
How’s that Elon fella doing with his electric cars?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 06, 2026 11:26 AM (UWN7z)
80
knows that political winds shift with each election. Our automobile manufacturers hung their hat on Democratic leader promises, ignored their customers and are suffering extreme financial losses. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
It wasn't only Democrats handing out taxpayer goodies but a lot of Red State governors, mayors, and counties dishing out massive subsidies for factories, etc.
And the whole regress goes to our rotten virulent ruling class of oligarchs that figured out the peasants needed their energy consumption controlled and depopulation so the elite could live in a world with 1/10th of its current population. Worldwide political phenomenon except for Trump in 2016 beginning to take on the global fake crisis of CO2 emissions head on.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
It wasn't only Democrats handing out taxpayer goodies but a lot of Red State governors, mayors, and counties dishing out massive subsidies for factories, etc.
And the whole regress goes to our rotten virulent ruling class of oligarchs that figured out the peasants needed their energy consumption controlled and depopulation so the elite could live in a world with 1/10th of its current population. Worldwide political phenomenon except for Trump in 2016 beginning to take on the global fake crisis of CO2 emissions head on.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:26 AM (E4rtv)
81
CEOs and other company Ivy League officers are like Pro Sports scouts. They have a formula and they won't deviate from it even in the face of passed failures using that formula.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:26 AM (/WQyy)
82
The nudge, then push to EV's was going to be followed up with a mandate. EV's shortcomings; range, lack of charging facilities and varied supply were the exact things the government, the leftists in government wanted.
Because a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
I don't think we've seen the last of this op.
Because a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
I don't think we've seen the last of this op.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 06, 2026 11:27 AM (jehhT)
83
I've always bought American cars. I suspect my next will be Japanese...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sKqQm)
Just bought Mrs OCiS a new Subaru. Laugh if you want, but they are one of the only vehicles out there that still has a decent sized 4 cylinder that is naturally aspirated. I refused to buy a SUV sized vehicle with an engine smaller than my motorcycle. And I am not convinced turbochargers can last the long haul before one of the turbine fins breaks free and ends up in a cylinder.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:02 AM (sKqQm)
Just bought Mrs OCiS a new Subaru. Laugh if you want, but they are one of the only vehicles out there that still has a decent sized 4 cylinder that is naturally aspirated. I refused to buy a SUV sized vehicle with an engine smaller than my motorcycle. And I am not convinced turbochargers can last the long haul before one of the turbine fins breaks free and ends up in a cylinder.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:27 AM (N39Ws)
84
It did indeed look impressive; but it’s all electric and will cost at least $250k, maybe more.
It was a disappointment to see the Jaguar sedans disappear; when I bought my last car in 2010, the choice came down to the XJ-8 (as I recall) and what I actually bought, a Town Car. The Ford-based Jaguar drove like a dream, was a beautiful car for long trips. But I was in the market for a used car, not a new car, and it seemed like there just weren’t that many on the market. Then Ford sold Jaguar and I wasn’t sure how that would affect parts availability over the long term. (I’m still driving that Town Car, and parts don’t seem to be a problem on the rare occasions I need something—I may well find out again this week.)
That said Jaguar is at the bottom level of the kind of brand that could actually work on the EV model. Status symbols, short trips, meant to be driven for the sake of driving them rather than, say, to go grocery shopping or get from A to B; and not meant as workhorses because of that.
It was a disappointment to see the Jaguar sedans disappear; when I bought my last car in 2010, the choice came down to the XJ-8 (as I recall) and what I actually bought, a Town Car. The Ford-based Jaguar drove like a dream, was a beautiful car for long trips. But I was in the market for a used car, not a new car, and it seemed like there just weren’t that many on the market. Then Ford sold Jaguar and I wasn’t sure how that would affect parts availability over the long term. (I’m still driving that Town Car, and parts don’t seem to be a problem on the rare occasions I need something—I may well find out again this week.)
That said Jaguar is at the bottom level of the kind of brand that could actually work on the EV model. Status symbols, short trips, meant to be driven for the sake of driving them rather than, say, to go grocery shopping or get from A to B; and not meant as workhorses because of that.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 06, 2026 11:27 AM (kYmoU)
85
From the Tech Thread:
14 I have been gifted a half eaten mouse and cat puke
Posted by: The Ballots at July 06, 2026 04:51 AM (LOZbR)
15 Which half?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 06, 2026 04:54 AM (BLOW1)
19 It was the back half. Translated from "cat speak" I'm worth about as much as a mouse butt
Posted by: The Ballots at July 06, 2026 04:57 AM (LOZbR)
Consider the alternatives.
Death of a Mouse: A few minutes of cleaning up a mess.
Death of a Salesman: A few hours of (spoiler alert!) a loser losing, realizing what he is, and killing himself.
It's a tough question, I might prefer the play.
14 I have been gifted a half eaten mouse and cat puke
Posted by: The Ballots at July 06, 2026 04:51 AM (LOZbR)
15 Which half?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 06, 2026 04:54 AM (BLOW1)
19 It was the back half. Translated from "cat speak" I'm worth about as much as a mouse butt
Posted by: The Ballots at July 06, 2026 04:57 AM (LOZbR)
Consider the alternatives.
Death of a Mouse: A few minutes of cleaning up a mess.
Death of a Salesman: A few hours of (spoiler alert!) a loser losing, realizing what he is, and killing himself.
It's a tough question, I might prefer the play.
Posted by: SciVo at July 06, 2026 11:27 AM (Sy6m/)
86
So does the Mustang Mach E now take my place as the worst automobile name from Ford? Hell I was dead already when those pieces of crap Edsels rolled off the assembly line.
Oh, and fuck Bill Ford. He is an asshole.
Oh, and fuck Bill Ford. He is an asshole.
Posted by: Zombie Edsel Ford at July 06, 2026 11:28 AM (og9zY)
87
There is a specific use case for EVs. They live at a fixed base, drive a semi-known distance each use, and return to the base after each drive. It's been proven a million times over, and they beat the IC version by a country mile.
Golf carts.
The rest of them can go screw.
Golf carts.
The rest of them can go screw.
Posted by: ballistic at July 06, 2026 11:28 AM (oqH4h)
88
Any company that
1) Been in business for 10+ years
2) and suckles on the government tit
knows that political winds shift with each election.
Obama started it, Trump I didn't rein it in,Shi... Biden ramped it up, and the "smart money" fully expected Kokonut Kamalalalala to win in '24. Past performance doesn't guarantee of future returns, but it's the way to bet. We have to admit that Trump II was a black swan and work like hell for the next one.
1) Been in business for 10+ years
2) and suckles on the government tit
knows that political winds shift with each election.
Obama started it, Trump I didn't rein it in,
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:29 AM (vTZFs)
89
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:26 AM (E4rtv)
I don't have a problem with tax incentives to get corporations to move to a state. I do think though they need to consider the industry/marketplace of those corporations. But I don't hold them to the same standard as the corporation regard to the marketplace due diligence .
I don't have a problem with tax incentives to get corporations to move to a state. I do think though they need to consider the industry/marketplace of those corporations. But I don't hold them to the same standard as the corporation regard to the marketplace due diligence .
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:30 AM (/WQyy)
90
Bill is William Clay Ford’s boy.
WCF was universally recognized as the biggest drunken idiot in the world for a long time.
His success story was the Detroit Lions .
Bill is William Clay Ford’s boy.
WCF was universally recognized as the biggest drunken idiot in the world for a long time.
His success story was the Detroit Lions .
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:30 AM (kCkdZ)
91
Speaking of F150 Conflagrations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_NejeM86A
F150 "Lightning" goes into thermal runaway, catches on fire while in the dealer service bay. Causing explosions of things like airbags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_NejeM86A
F150 "Lightning" goes into thermal runaway, catches on fire while in the dealer service bay. Causing explosions of things like airbags.
Posted by: Defenestratus at July 06, 2026 11:30 AM (WYStd)
92
I've always bought American cars. I suspect my next will be Japanese...
My last 3 cars were Ford/Mercury, and they all expired at a little over 100k miles, even though I get the scheduled maintenance. Even when they were "running", they were inferior.
A little Ford anecdote: the sunglasses holder above the center console would pop open every time I hit a bump, and dumped my sunglasses onto my lap or under the seat. I had to live with that for 11 years. It's a simple thing, but if you can't get the simple things right, what chance do you have of getting the complex ones right?
My new car is a Honda Passport, and I love it. The sunglasses stay put.
My last 3 cars were Ford/Mercury, and they all expired at a little over 100k miles, even though I get the scheduled maintenance. Even when they were "running", they were inferior.
A little Ford anecdote: the sunglasses holder above the center console would pop open every time I hit a bump, and dumped my sunglasses onto my lap or under the seat. I had to live with that for 11 years. It's a simple thing, but if you can't get the simple things right, what chance do you have of getting the complex ones right?
My new car is a Honda Passport, and I love it. The sunglasses stay put.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:30 AM (Riz8t)
Posted by: It's a brand new acronym! at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (TbWk/)
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (/WQyy)
95
Unpossible! AI is the best thing ever and anyone who questions any of it is a CHYnk agent.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (R+iUD)
96
Just bought Mrs OCiS a new Subaru. Laugh if you want, but they are one of the only vehicles out there that still has a decent sized 4 cylinder that is naturally aspirated. I refused to buy a SUV sized vehicle with an engine smaller than my motorcycle. And I am not convinced turbochargers can last the long haul before one of the turbine fins breaks free and ends up in a cylinder.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:27 AM (N39Ws)
My last 2 cars bought were Subarus...best value car going (Kia is a runner up)...
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:27 AM (N39Ws)
My last 2 cars bought were Subarus...best value car going (Kia is a runner up)...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 06, 2026 11:32 AM (tOcjL)
97
ICE cars also have a problem with cold weather.
So for retirement communities in the south, or perhaps even hive cities there maybe they make sense. I supposed you could pare them with solar power in AZ and the like.
But for most of the country and the people in it they are a terrible idea.
So for retirement communities in the south, or perhaps even hive cities there maybe they make sense. I supposed you could pare them with solar power in AZ and the like.
But for most of the country and the people in it they are a terrible idea.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:33 AM (sKqQm)
Posted by: Speed Restrictors at July 06, 2026 11:33 AM (onZb0)
99
Family fortunes lead eventually to weak minded idiots who are prone to catastrophically stupid decisions which effect far more people than the average idiot's stupid decisions.
It was ever thus.
It was ever thus.
Posted by: I mean look at European Aristocracy at July 06, 2026 11:33 AM (anL5R)
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (kCkdZ)
101
There’s has to be a market where someone sells basic vehicles without all the bells and whistles. Something like late 80s/early 90s features. Most importantly, with no modem nor kill switches.
Posted by: Cray Cray at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (Qjj21)
102
79 How’s that Elon fella doing with his electric cars?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 06, 2026 11:26 AM (UWN7z)
Not great actually.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 06, 2026 11:26 AM (UWN7z)
Not great actually.
Posted by: Defenestratus at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (WYStd)
103
Seriously, now Belgium is bitching because they don't get the benefit of a stupid and improperly executed red card.
Stupid European Bitch Factories. Europe's main export - complaining.
Stupid European Bitch Factories. Europe's main export - complaining.
Posted by: OMG the Complaining at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (anL5R)
104
So checking leftwing forums their big item today seems to be they've decided Taylor Swift is a NAZI.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
105
Tee-hee!
Posted by: Speed Restrictors at July 06, 2026 11:33 AM (onZb0)
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Not my fault there are people that can't handle light beer
Posted by: Speed Restrictors at July 06, 2026 11:33 AM (onZb0)
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Not my fault there are people that can't handle light beer
Posted by: ballistic at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (oqH4h)
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (/WQyy)
107
Family fortunes lead eventually to weak minded idiots who are prone to catastrophically stupid decisions which effect far more people than the average idiot's stupid decisions.
It was ever thus.
Perhaps it's because a rich heir attracts stupid, hot women who are willing to sell their bodies for all that cash, and that's wher the next generation arises. Genetics always wins.
It was ever thus.
Perhaps it's because a rich heir attracts stupid, hot women who are willing to sell their bodies for all that cash, and that's wher the next generation arises. Genetics always wins.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:36 AM (Riz8t)
108
Speaking of F150 Conflagrations:
I would’ve liked more video and less talking head, but the guy does sound interesting.
I would’ve liked more video and less talking head, but the guy does sound interesting.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 06, 2026 11:36 AM (kYmoU)
109
What would certainly be interesting is what kind of engineers were hired back, in what specialties.
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:36 AM (GD0B3)
110
There’s has to be a market where someone sells basic vehicles without all the bells and whistles. Something like late 80s/early 90s features. Most importantly, with no modem nor kill switches.
Two modern features I like: backup camera (the number of times people will walk behind you car as you are backing up is amazing) and then the detector that lets you know if someone is in your blind spot when you go to change lanes
Two modern features I like: backup camera (the number of times people will walk behind you car as you are backing up is amazing) and then the detector that lets you know if someone is in your blind spot when you go to change lanes
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:36 AM (sKqQm)
111
My newest Ford is a 2018 F150 with 65K on the odometer. I bought it used during the snowmagden. I wouldn't want anything newer.
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (LHPAg)
112
"Post
user avatar
RazörFist
@RazorFist
Yes it was.
Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC. Every organization directly involved were therefore tainted by SPLC funding.
American Vanguard was one of those groups.
After Charlottesvile, they changed their name.
To Patriot Front."
user avatar
RazörFist
@RazorFist
Yes it was.
Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC. Every organization directly involved were therefore tainted by SPLC funding.
American Vanguard was one of those groups.
After Charlottesvile, they changed their name.
To Patriot Front."
Posted by: Nova Local at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (tOcjL)
113
My golf cart goes 25mph. That's way too fast but I could flip a switch and restrict it to 14mph. Will never do it though😀.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (/WQyy)
114
101 There’s has to be a market where someone sells basic vehicles without all the bells and whistles. Something like late 80s/early 90s features. Most importantly, with no modem nor kill switches.
Posted by: Cray Cray at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (Qjj21)
Bunches of them sold in places like India, China, and Indonesia. US Car companies in combination with regulators worked the rules so that it's illegal to bring any of them into the US for sale.
Posted by: Cray Cray at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (Qjj21)
Bunches of them sold in places like India, China, and Indonesia. US Car companies in combination with regulators worked the rules so that it's illegal to bring any of them into the US for sale.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (edUvp)
115
95 Unpossible! AI is the best thing ever and anyone who questions any of it is a CHYnk agent.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (R+iUD)
CHYnk Uighur or the other one?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (R+iUD)
CHYnk Uighur or the other one?
Posted by: Turks. Perfidious and greasy. at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (TbWk/)
116
I have a 2007 Toyota Sienna that I love, love, love. Solid performer. comfortable ride. I bought a RAV4 four and a half years ago. Bouncy ride. But it is solid too.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 06, 2026 11:38 AM (qFwJc)
117
Yes it was.
Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC. Every organization directly involved were therefore tainted by SPLC funding.
American Vanguard was one of those groups.
After Charlottesvile, they changed their name.
To Patriot Front."
==
We should use the same tactics to take down the Commies and the Socialists!
Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC. Every organization directly involved were therefore tainted by SPLC funding.
American Vanguard was one of those groups.
After Charlottesvile, they changed their name.
To Patriot Front."
==
We should use the same tactics to take down the Commies and the Socialists!
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:38 AM (GD0B3)
118
103 Seriously, now Belgium is bitching because they don't get the benefit of a stupid and improperly executed red card.
Stupid European Bitch Factories. Europe's main export - complaining.
Posted by: OMG the Complaining at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (anL5R)
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As a person who has been following soccer for about three weeks, the Balogun red card was horseshit from the get-go.
From what I've seen, the US threatened to take FIFA to Arbitration Court over it, and FIFA rescinded the suspension so they didn't have to expose their retarded-ass appeals process in court.
Stupid European Bitch Factories. Europe's main export - complaining.
Posted by: OMG the Complaining at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (anL5R)
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As a person who has been following soccer for about three weeks, the Balogun red card was horseshit from the get-go.
From what I've seen, the US threatened to take FIFA to Arbitration Court over it, and FIFA rescinded the suspension so they didn't have to expose their retarded-ass appeals process in court.
Posted by: ballistic at July 06, 2026 11:38 AM (oqH4h)
119
I bet I'd sell pretty well.
Posted by: Toyota Hilux at July 06, 2026 11:39 AM (DCsZP)
120
The Flex was the last vehicle P.J. O’Roarke wrote a review of for Road & Track, he loved it.
The Flex was the last vehicle P.J. O’Roarke wrote a review of for Road & Track, he loved it.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:39 AM (j8jVg)
121
104 So checking leftwing forums their big item today seems to be they've decided Taylor Swift is a NAZI.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
Because Adam Sandler doesn't go around spewing progressive bullshit talking points and is rumored to at least be right-leaning, though he generally stays out of it and just makes movies and shows. These days that makes you a Nazi or Nazi-adjacent.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
Because Adam Sandler doesn't go around spewing progressive bullshit talking points and is rumored to at least be right-leaning, though he generally stays out of it and just makes movies and shows. These days that makes you a Nazi or Nazi-adjacent.
Posted by: I'm sure they hate Rob Schneider more at July 06, 2026 11:40 AM (TbWk/)
122
Currently have Chevy Colorado trail boss. Probably will be my last new vehicle. So far I love it but I've put minimal mileage on it and don't plan on the yearly mileage going any higher.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:40 AM (/WQyy)
123
I think EV motorcycles have a chance.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (/WQyy)
E Bikes and E Cycles are big with the homeless crowd. No license, no problem. They hack the E Bikes to go faster than from the factory and go zooming around the roadways and parks stealing electricity from any available unprotected outlet. The boys in blue can't keep up with them and no money in it so they leave them be. A homeless guy told me E Bikes have pedals where E Cycles do not.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:31 AM (/WQyy)
E Bikes and E Cycles are big with the homeless crowd. No license, no problem. They hack the E Bikes to go faster than from the factory and go zooming around the roadways and parks stealing electricity from any available unprotected outlet. The boys in blue can't keep up with them and no money in it so they leave them be. A homeless guy told me E Bikes have pedals where E Cycles do not.
Posted by: News From The Street at July 06, 2026 11:41 AM (og9zY)
124
Unbelievable. Mamdani wants government grocery stores, and he wants bodega owner to help him destroy them.
New York Bodega Owners to City: Drop Dead!
“We met with bodega owners so they could help us plan and ensure that we take into account their challenges and their role as a part of the food ecosystem,” Julie Su, deputy mayor for "economic justice," told the Post in a statement. But what really happened was that bodega owners reported to City Hall last week at Su's invitation for a roundtable discussion, "only to get barraged with 'intrusive' questions about their businesses," according to the Post's source.
The questionnaire bodega owners were expected to fill out included questions like, “What items are sold the most at your stores?” and “Where is your profit margin the greatest?”
The correct answer to questions like those is, "Get stuffed."
But he assures us that's not going to happen. Sure, Jan.
Su told the Post, "we wanted to understand whether there are key products bodegas sell and rely on that we should not sell. That’s how serious we are about not undercutting them."
https://tinyurl.com/43ptwjza
New York Bodega Owners to City: Drop Dead!
“We met with bodega owners so they could help us plan and ensure that we take into account their challenges and their role as a part of the food ecosystem,” Julie Su, deputy mayor for "economic justice," told the Post in a statement. But what really happened was that bodega owners reported to City Hall last week at Su's invitation for a roundtable discussion, "only to get barraged with 'intrusive' questions about their businesses," according to the Post's source.
The questionnaire bodega owners were expected to fill out included questions like, “What items are sold the most at your stores?” and “Where is your profit margin the greatest?”
The correct answer to questions like those is, "Get stuffed."
But he assures us that's not going to happen. Sure, Jan.
Su told the Post, "we wanted to understand whether there are key products bodegas sell and rely on that we should not sell. That’s how serious we are about not undercutting them."
https://tinyurl.com/43ptwjza
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:41 AM (Riz8t)
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72 One of Ford's unforgivable sins was perverting the Mustang brand. Making a 4 door version of it, making an EV branded one. Harkens back to when Ford came out with the Probe which was to replace the aging Mustang. Anybody see any Ford Probes around?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (N39Ws
I think I know where all the Probes got shoved.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (N39Ws
I think I know where all the Probes got shoved.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (edUvp)
126
Wasn't Ford selling trucks to the Nazis before WW11 started?
Posted by: Reforger at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (DCsZP)
127
The importance of education.
"The National Education Association will call for the impeachment, conviction, and removal of Donald Trump from the US Presidency."
They want a "National March on Washington D.C. to remove Trump before the November 2026 midterm election"
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They may be the ones in for an education.
"The National Education Association will call for the impeachment, conviction, and removal of Donald Trump from the US Presidency."
They want a "National March on Washington D.C. to remove Trump before the November 2026 midterm election"
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They may be the ones in for an education.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)
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I’m guessing low mileage pre-2018 vehicles will appreciate in value better than later year models.
I’m guessing low mileage pre-2018 vehicles will appreciate in value better than later year models.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (j8jVg)
129
Imagine being a "deputy manager for economic justice."
Imagine that is an actual position in the City that Never Sleeps
Imagine that is an actual position in the City that Never Sleeps
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (fKauK)
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Posted by: ballistic at July 06, 2026 11:38 AM (oqH4h)
Agree. My understanding it has to be an intentional act. The video clearly showed it wasn't intentional. I don't know what the reviewer's reasoning was to issue the red card.
Agree. My understanding it has to be an intentional act. The video clearly showed it wasn't intentional. I don't know what the reviewer's reasoning was to issue the red card.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (/WQyy)
131
NYC will soon become a bodega desert, until the government stores inevitably shutter their doors, and the former bodega owners will be long gone.
Posted by: Communists destroy everything they touch at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (TbWk/)
132
Wasn't Ford selling trucks to the Nazis before WW11 started?
Hey some people did some things in World War Eleven you know
Hey some people did some things in World War Eleven you know
Posted by: Ilhan Omar at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (sKqQm)
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Ford famously avoided the direct taxpayer-funded bailouts that General Motors & Chrysler required to survive the 2008 financial crisis, but has received billions of dollars in other forms of government assistance.
But Ford frequently utilizes state and local tax credits, infrastructure grants, and workforce development funds to build and operate its manufacturing footprint across the United States.
In 2023, the federal government issued a $9.2 billion loan to a joint venture between Ford and SK Innovation to help construct electric vehicle battery plants. The initial $9.2 billion conditional commitment announced by the Department of Energy (DOE) was later finalized as a $9.63 billion direct loan in December 2024.
Issued under the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) program, it stands as the largest single loan in the history of the DOE.
The BlueOval SK joint venture dissolved late 2025; the deal restructured 2026, and under the revised sponsorship agreements, Ford directly guarantees 50% of the loan's payment obligations.
Maybe it's apples to oranges, but it seems very 'slick' to me. 🤷♀️
But Ford frequently utilizes state and local tax credits, infrastructure grants, and workforce development funds to build and operate its manufacturing footprint across the United States.
In 2023, the federal government issued a $9.2 billion loan to a joint venture between Ford and SK Innovation to help construct electric vehicle battery plants. The initial $9.2 billion conditional commitment announced by the Department of Energy (DOE) was later finalized as a $9.63 billion direct loan in December 2024.
Issued under the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) program, it stands as the largest single loan in the history of the DOE.
The BlueOval SK joint venture dissolved late 2025; the deal restructured 2026, and under the revised sponsorship agreements, Ford directly guarantees 50% of the loan's payment obligations.
Maybe it's apples to oranges, but it seems very 'slick' to me. 🤷♀️
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (NFX2v)
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Pleasing for everyone to know we are available to take these jobs at 1/3 price.
Posted by: The real AI - Actual Indians at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (WUIO9)
135
I think EV motorcycles have a chance.
EV motorcycles could fill a niche similar to EV cars, i.e. limited range within populated areas. But most people don't buy bikes to commute, they buy them for recreation. From what I've seen and read, electric bikes are a sh*t-ton of fun to ride but still most riders want to (or at least want to be able to) ride extended distances. Also, a part of the market (typified by H-D) explicitly doesn't want innovation.
EV motorcycles could fill a niche similar to EV cars, i.e. limited range within populated areas. But most people don't buy bikes to commute, they buy them for recreation. From what I've seen and read, electric bikes are a sh*t-ton of fun to ride but still most riders want to (or at least want to be able to) ride extended distances. Also, a part of the market (typified by H-D) explicitly doesn't want innovation.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (vTZFs)
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Agree. My understanding it has to be an intentional act. The video clearly showed it wasn't intentional. I don't know what the reviewer's reasoning was to issue the red card.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (/WQyy)
Same reason as always these days.
"AH HATES YOU!!!"
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (/WQyy)
Same reason as always these days.
"AH HATES YOU!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (edUvp)
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Somewhat related, the Ferrari Luce EV is going down as the most catastrophic new product launch since the Pontiac Aztec, New Coke, and Men's Tampons.
The car isn't just polarizing or controversial. Everyone hates it. Potential buyers are running for the hills. The Luce is such a comic joke that nobody wants to be seen with it.
Ferrari was warned. Every other super-EV of the last few years was a sales abomination. Lambo had its own super-EV in the works (the Lanzador) but wisely shitcanned the entire product when the company realized there was zero customer interest.
The Schadenfreude, it is delicious.
The car isn't just polarizing or controversial. Everyone hates it. Potential buyers are running for the hills. The Luce is such a comic joke that nobody wants to be seen with it.
Ferrari was warned. Every other super-EV of the last few years was a sales abomination. Lambo had its own super-EV in the works (the Lanzador) but wisely shitcanned the entire product when the company realized there was zero customer interest.
The Schadenfreude, it is delicious.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:43 AM (iFTx/)
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125 72 One of Ford's unforgivable sins was perverting the Mustang brand. Making a 4 door version of it, making an EV branded one. Harkens back to when Ford came out with the Probe which was to replace the aging Mustang. Anybody see any Ford Probes around?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (N39Ws
I think I know where all the Probes got shoved.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (edUvp)
Being Kommissar of Transportation has its perks!
SQUEEEEEEEE
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (N39Ws
I think I know where all the Probes got shoved.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (edUvp)
Being Kommissar of Transportation has its perks!
SQUEEEEEEEE
Posted by: Pete Buttgiggity at July 06, 2026 11:44 AM (TbWk/)
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I don't have a problem with tax incentives to get corporations to move to a state. I do think though they need to consider the industry/marketplace of those corporations. But I don't hold them to the same standard as the corporation regard to the marketplace due diligence .
Posted by: polynikes
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I do, it privatizes benefits and lays costs on the taxpayers. Rent seeking behavior and in most cases, the math doesn't work out. Like those EV plants, suddenly not needed, millions spent by state governments for non existent jobs, but the land developers made bank. See Rivian and Georgia for an example.
Often, these factories are built, then the company decides to offshore the production to make a few more bucks per unit and takes the machinery with them leaving a debt payments for the locale and an unsalable big empty building.
In almost all cases, the subsidies or tax abatements, if you had to do them, should go to existing local firms that are unlikely to suddenly move somewhere else. But those don't get plaudits from the local media when they lie about the cost/benefit analysis and profits for the pols from land developers.
Posted by: polynikes
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I do, it privatizes benefits and lays costs on the taxpayers. Rent seeking behavior and in most cases, the math doesn't work out. Like those EV plants, suddenly not needed, millions spent by state governments for non existent jobs, but the land developers made bank. See Rivian and Georgia for an example.
Often, these factories are built, then the company decides to offshore the production to make a few more bucks per unit and takes the machinery with them leaving a debt payments for the locale and an unsalable big empty building.
In almost all cases, the subsidies or tax abatements, if you had to do them, should go to existing local firms that are unlikely to suddenly move somewhere else. But those don't get plaudits from the local media when they lie about the cost/benefit analysis and profits for the pols from land developers.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:44 AM (E4rtv)
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• Those 2,322 EVs included discontinued F150 Lightnings, which Ford is practically giving away to make them go away. I’d call it a “fire sale,” but that seems a little insensitive considering the Lightning’s propensity to spontaneously erupt into flames.
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Not that I'd buy one in 100 years, but I thought I'd see how cheap they were in Northern Virginia. The cheapest I saw in a brief look was still over $50K, a markdown of $8000. There were others still at $60K+, marked down only by $1-2K. Perhaps there are all sorts of incentives I'm missing, but that's not a clearance sale to me. I guess the local dealers still like having money tied up in aging inventory.
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Not that I'd buy one in 100 years, but I thought I'd see how cheap they were in Northern Virginia. The cheapest I saw in a brief look was still over $50K, a markdown of $8000. There were others still at $60K+, marked down only by $1-2K. Perhaps there are all sorts of incentives I'm missing, but that's not a clearance sale to me. I guess the local dealers still like having money tied up in aging inventory.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at July 06, 2026 11:44 AM (KFbdf)
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:45 AM (/WQyy)
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>>> 104 So checking leftwing forums their big item today seems to be they've decided Taylor Swift is a NAZI.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
I love how the commies think they're just like the guys who ran up the beaches at Normandy because they (commies) really RILLY hate JOOOOS.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
I love how the commies think they're just like the guys who ran up the beaches at Normandy because they (commies) really RILLY hate JOOOOS.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 11:45 AM (R+iUD)
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Somewhat related, the Ferrari Luce EV is going down as the most catastrophic new product launch since the Pontiac Aztec, New Coke, and Men's Tampons.
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They saw our commercial and said hold my beer.
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They saw our commercial and said hold my beer.
Posted by: Jaguar at July 06, 2026 11:46 AM (WUIO9)
144
Does anyone here at AoS like horsepower? Hotrods with turbos and superchargers? Kia’s, Subarus, mid size pickups….thats it? No vettes, no McLarens? I can see Whig in Ferrari.
Posted by: BIG JUICY DATA CENTERS at July 06, 2026 11:46 AM (1+Mqc)
145
I don't have a problem with tax incentives to get corporations to move to a state. I do think though they need to consider the industry/marketplace of those corporations. But I don't hold them to the same standard as the corporation regard to the marketplace due diligence .
Posted by: polynikes
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I do, it privatizes benefits and lays costs on the taxpayers. Rent seeking behavior and in most cases, the math doesn't work out. Like those EV plants, suddenly not needed, millions spent by state governments for non existent jobs, but the land developers made bank. See Rivian and Georgia for an example.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:44 AM (E4rtv)
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Privatization of profits but socialization of losses
Posted by: polynikes
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I do, it privatizes benefits and lays costs on the taxpayers. Rent seeking behavior and in most cases, the math doesn't work out. Like those EV plants, suddenly not needed, millions spent by state governments for non existent jobs, but the land developers made bank. See Rivian and Georgia for an example.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:44 AM (E4rtv)
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Privatization of profits but socialization of losses
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:46 AM (iFTx/)
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119 I bet I'd sell pretty well.
Posted by: Toyota Hilux at July 06, 2026 11:39 AM (DCsZP)
Yes you would.
Posted by: Toyota Hilux at July 06, 2026 11:39 AM (DCsZP)
Yes you would.
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2026 11:46 AM (LHPAg)
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11 and many of the company’s veteran technicians left Ford before their knowledge could be used to improve the performance of the AI tools.
So, the techs failed to position their successor AI's for success.
Fire them again!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (/HDaX)
Well, that's the obvious intention. Hire them back, get them to fine-tune the AI, and then fire them again. I'm sure the re-hired engineers will be greatly motivated to impart their knowledge with no mistakes into their robot overlord successors.
So, the techs failed to position their successor AI's for success.
Fire them again!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 06, 2026 11:04 AM (/HDaX)
Well, that's the obvious intention. Hire them back, get them to fine-tune the AI, and then fire them again. I'm sure the re-hired engineers will be greatly motivated to impart their knowledge with no mistakes into their robot overlord successors.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at July 06, 2026 11:47 AM (KFbdf)
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Jumangi: The Jar Jar Binks of the SCOTUS.
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:47 AM (ndZc7)
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>>> 112 "Post
user avatar
RazörFist
@RazorFist
Yes it was.
Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC. Every organization directly involved were therefore tainted by SPLC funding.
American Vanguard was one of those groups.
After Charlottesvile, they changed their name.
To Patriot Front."
Posted by: Nova Local at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (tOcjL)
Well *we* certainly had no involvement.
user avatar
RazörFist
@RazorFist
Yes it was.
Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC. Every organization directly involved were therefore tainted by SPLC funding.
American Vanguard was one of those groups.
After Charlottesvile, they changed their name.
To Patriot Front."
Posted by: Nova Local at July 06, 2026 11:37 AM (tOcjL)
Well *we* certainly had no involvement.
Posted by: Top Men and Whammen of the Eff.Bee.EYE at July 06, 2026 11:48 AM (R+iUD)
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The left has been calling Taylor Swift a Nazi for a while. It started with her last album where she sang about getting married and having kids. And all the 30-something future cat ladies turned on her for abandoning the sisterhood and adopting the white nationalist patriarchy or some such.
Posted by: Jaguar at July 06, 2026 11:48 AM (WUIO9)
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The AI gambit has its issues - sra blastter works for a major telco who's Chairman is viral on the intertubes in a video interview where he says they are looking to cut headcount by 70%. Imagine the morale there.
And it is also cover for Ford - they wrote off tens of billions of dollars with their EV failure. That really wasn't a failure of EVs in the marketplace, it was more a failure of Ford to execute. And then they lay off engineers and say umm, AI.
Gah.
And it is also cover for Ford - they wrote off tens of billions of dollars with their EV failure. That really wasn't a failure of EVs in the marketplace, it was more a failure of Ford to execute. And then they lay off engineers and say umm, AI.
Gah.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 06, 2026 11:48 AM (fKauK)
152
Anybody see any Ford Probes around?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM
I actually had one in the early 90s. Fun car. Drove it until it fell apart and bought a 3-series BMW. Drove that until it fell apart, then bought the current Honda Accord. Apart from not having all-wheel drive, I love that thing.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM
I actually had one in the early 90s. Fun car. Drove it until it fell apart and bought a 3-series BMW. Drove that until it fell apart, then bought the current Honda Accord. Apart from not having all-wheel drive, I love that thing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (bFu5X)
153
Jumangi: The Jar Jar Binks of the SCOTUS.
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Essence is a magazine for blacks, and whattya know, she's black. I wonder if the editors of Essence knew that before they selected her as a People's Champion.
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Essence is a magazine for blacks, and whattya know, she's black. I wonder if the editors of Essence knew that before they selected her as a People's Champion.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (Riz8t)
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Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion"
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Do y'all remember when Justice Clarence Thomas was featured on the cover of Essence Magazine?
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Do y'all remember when Justice Clarence Thomas was featured on the cover of Essence Magazine?
Posted by: Things that never happened at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (GD0B3)
155
So checking leftwing forums their big item today seems to be they've decided Taylor Swift is a NAZI.
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
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Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
Why?
Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:35 AM (sKqQm)
______
Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
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131 NYC will soon become a bodega desert, until the government stores inevitably shutter their doors, and the former bodega owners will be long gone.
Posted by: Communists
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A fair chunk of those bodegas are selling stolen merchandise from boosters from teh local CVS, Walgreens, grocery stores, Wal Marts, etc. And many are also in the business of food stamp fraud.
Capitalism is a means to an end, it is not an end in itself. Far better at allocating resources than socialism because pricing more information rich than government fiats but that does not, in and of itself, mean that all capitalists are virtuous as a class. Both society and government exist because pure capitalism would result in babies being auctioned, adulterated products right and left (the milk scandals of the 19th and 20th centuries, etc.
Posted by: Communists
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A fair chunk of those bodegas are selling stolen merchandise from boosters from teh local CVS, Walgreens, grocery stores, Wal Marts, etc. And many are also in the business of food stamp fraud.
Capitalism is a means to an end, it is not an end in itself. Far better at allocating resources than socialism because pricing more information rich than government fiats but that does not, in and of itself, mean that all capitalists are virtuous as a class. Both society and government exist because pure capitalism would result in babies being auctioned, adulterated products right and left (the milk scandals of the 19th and 20th centuries, etc.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (E4rtv)
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Swift adopted leftwing politics because she thought it made business sense.
I suspect she sees going too far down the woke path isn't going to make her more $$$
I suspect she sees going too far down the woke path isn't going to make her more $$$
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (sKqQm)
158
The TEF set up in Texas is kicking CA ass. I think Florida may have something similar.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (/WQyy)
159
So Adam Sandler is some kind of cleric?
Posted by: Bulg at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (77rzZ)
160
Giving it back to the Indians (casino, not call center)
California gives 136 acres of scenic beachfront property to native tribes
California gives 136 acres of scenic beachfront property to native tribes
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (ndZc7)
161
144 Does anyone here at AoS like horsepower? Hotrods with turbos and superchargers? Kia’s, Subarus, mid size pickups….thats it? No vettes, no McLarens? I can see Whig in Ferrari.
Posted by: BIG JUICY DATA CENTERS at July 06, 2026 11:46 AM (1+Mqc)
I have a twin turbo V8 Porsche Cayenne good for 500 hrsprs.
Does that count?
Posted by: BIG JUICY DATA CENTERS at July 06, 2026 11:46 AM (1+Mqc)
I have a twin turbo V8 Porsche Cayenne good for 500 hrsprs.
Does that count?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (fKauK)
162
>>> 127 The importance of education.
"The National Education Association will call for the impeachment, conviction, and removal of Donald Trump from the US Presidency."
They want a "National March on Washington D.C. to remove Trump before the November 2026 midterm election"
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They may be the ones in for an education.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)
Consider the percentage of danger hairs and nose rings in such a march...
"The National Education Association will call for the impeachment, conviction, and removal of Donald Trump from the US Presidency."
They want a "National March on Washington D.C. to remove Trump before the November 2026 midterm election"
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They may be the ones in for an education.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)
Consider the percentage of danger hairs and nose rings in such a march...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (R+iUD)
163
> Somewhat related, the Ferrari Luce EV is going down as the most catastrophic new product launch since the Pontiac Aztec, New Coke, and Men's Tampons.
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It's like they don't even know their own clientele.
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It's like they don't even know their own clientele.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (jehhT)
164
Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
OTOH I did enjoy "The Wedding Singer"
OTOH I did enjoy "The Wedding Singer"
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
165
Yes, that feature in Essence Magazine about Thomas Sowell was great!
Posted by: Things that never happened at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (GD0B3)
166
Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (GsrgF)
167
The Probe was me with a Ford badge on it.
Posted by: Mazda MX6 at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (WUIO9)
168
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
Didn't the left tell us it is a known NAZI venue because some German Socialist fans had a rally there in the 1930s?
Didn't the left tell us it is a known NAZI venue because some German Socialist fans had a rally there in the 1930s?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (sKqQm)
169
Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
I have my invitation to the wedding night hijinks, and am really looking forward to it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
I have my invitation to the wedding night hijinks, and am really looking forward to it.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (Riz8t)
170
Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
171
Jumangi: The Jar Jar Binks of the SCOTUS.
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Essence is a magazine for blacks, and whattya know, she's black. I wonder if the editors of Essence knew that before they selected her as a People's Champion.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (Riz8t)
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Essence is specifically for black women, and like all fashion/lifestyle magazines it's been coopted by leftwing Trump-hating commies. So it's a magazine for leftwing black women. Of course they idolize Akshully Jackson.
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Essence is a magazine for blacks, and whattya know, she's black. I wonder if the editors of Essence knew that before they selected her as a People's Champion.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (Riz8t)
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Essence is specifically for black women, and like all fashion/lifestyle magazines it's been coopted by leftwing Trump-hating commies. So it's a magazine for leftwing black women. Of course they idolize Akshully Jackson.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (iFTx/)
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It's called "Corporatism."
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (qFwJc)
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One can get ordained online. For real. ULC !
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (GD0B3)
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I don't care enough to hate Taylor Swift . I hope it works out for them actually as I do for anyone getting married.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (/WQyy)
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Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC.
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So Trump was wrong. There weren't good people on both sides.
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So Trump was wrong. There weren't good people on both sides.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (ndZc7)
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164 Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
OTOH I did enjoy "The Wedding Singer"
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
Probably his best movie, along with Happy Gilmore
OTOH I did enjoy "The Wedding Singer"
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
Probably his best movie, along with Happy Gilmore
Posted by: Just TAAAAP IT IN!!!!!! at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (TbWk/)
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Privatization of profits but socialization of losses
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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In the specific case, it is more precise to allocate the losses to the taxpayers rather than the general community. Someone is going to pay back those debts incurred for the bond issue and that is the taxpayer via property taxes, not the welfare class usually.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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In the specific case, it is more precise to allocate the losses to the taxpayers rather than the general community. Someone is going to pay back those debts incurred for the bond issue and that is the taxpayer via property taxes, not the welfare class usually.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (E4rtv)
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Ford has NOT learned a thing. Ford has cancelled the Escape, a relatively popular SUV, in order to retool the Kentucky plant to build a new electric pickup truck.
https://tinyurl.com/3tntpynu
https://tinyurl.com/3tntpynu
Posted by: George V at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (HUbHH)
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For some reason my Dot Indian little store around the corner has stopped taking EBT... They even taped all four corners on the hand drawn notification. Must be permanent.
Posted by: Reforger at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (DCsZP)
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>>> 175 Charlottesville was organized by paid informants for SPLC.
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So Trump was wrong. There weren't good people on both sides.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (ndZc7)
LOL
Can't wait to throw that at some retard leftist.
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So Trump was wrong. There weren't good people on both sides.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (ndZc7)
LOL
Can't wait to throw that at some retard leftist.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (R+iUD)
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EV bikes are everywhere - I see packs of kids riding them. They aren't EV motorcycles but they are quite a bit more than just a bicycle with electric motor.
And they are hugely unregulated.
And they are hugely unregulated.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (fKauK)
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148 Jumangi: The Jar Jar Binks of the SCOTUS.
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:47 AM (ndZc7)
Essence Magazine, that's about perfume, right? Hide odors?
Not Satire: Ketanji Brown Jackson Featured As "People's Champion" On Cover Of "Essence" Magazine
https://tinyurl.com/33ckra9c
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:47 AM (ndZc7)
Essence Magazine, that's about perfume, right? Hide odors?
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (LHPAg)
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Regarding Bodegas, corner stores in poor areas used to sell goods via paycheck loans -- pay us back when you're paid. Usually a week or two tabs, depending.
Food Stamps killed these corner stores. Just as well, as there is a whole new way the poors create 'food deserts."
Food Stamps killed these corner stores. Just as well, as there is a whole new way the poors create 'food deserts."
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (wBaIH)
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The Probe was me with a Ford badge on it.
Posted by: Mazda MX6 at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (WUIO9)
Well, a Ford badge, and a much more rakish design, appropriate for a car with sporting pretensions.
Posted by: Mazda MX6 at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (WUIO9)
Well, a Ford badge, and a much more rakish design, appropriate for a car with sporting pretensions.
Posted by: far cry at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (wBRco)
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Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
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If so, that's short for a prenup. There are at least 20 pages in a modern prenup just reciting boilerplate bullshit.
I suspect the actual prenup is much longer than 40 pages.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
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If so, that's short for a prenup. There are at least 20 pages in a modern prenup just reciting boilerplate bullshit.
I suspect the actual prenup is much longer than 40 pages.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (iFTx/)
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Rumor is they got married prior to the MSG ceremony.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM (/WQyy)
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Sigh... Now we have red card soccergate....
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (GsrgF)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (ndZc7)
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Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today to form a more perfect Union, to establish legal tax deductions, and insure domestic tranquility...
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (GD0B3)
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170
Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
That's it? I would've expected a multi-volume set.
Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
That's it? I would've expected a multi-volume set.
Posted by: Bring it in on a forklift at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (TbWk/)
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Kelces’ probably happy to release his Chakra after such a long engagement
Kelces’ probably happy to release his Chakra after such a long engagement
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (6osB/)
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Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (i
I would guess that Adam Sandler is her friend and hopefully he had a conversation with the couple beforehand to determine what their vows would be instead of winging it. Getting your friend, father, brother , etc to officiate is now increasingly popular with people who do not belong to/ go to a church or synagogue and are not really into organized religion, and if people have been living together it obviates the need to have premarital counseling that most religious groups require.
I would guess that Adam Sandler is her friend and hopefully he had a conversation with the couple beforehand to determine what their vows would be instead of winging it. Getting your friend, father, brother , etc to officiate is now increasingly popular with people who do not belong to/ go to a church or synagogue and are not really into organized religion, and if people have been living together it obviates the need to have premarital counseling that most religious groups require.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (Bw1/o)
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OTOH I did enjoy "The Wedding Singer"
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
Probably his best movie, along with Happy Gilmore
Posted by: Just TAAAAP IT IN!!!!!! at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (TbWk/)
IMHO His best movie is Funny People followed by Blended.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
Probably his best movie, along with Happy Gilmore
Posted by: Just TAAAAP IT IN!!!!!! at July 06, 2026 11:53 AM (TbWk/)
IMHO His best movie is Funny People followed by Blended.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:56 AM (/WQyy)
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Tay Tay proved the adage that eventually the left eats its own. You can never be left wing enough to satisfy the radicals.
She dutifully bashed Republicans, supported Hillary and Kamala, spoke in favor of all the gay and tranny shit and was all in on abortion And still it wasn’t enough.
She dutifully bashed Republicans, supported Hillary and Kamala, spoke in favor of all the gay and tranny shit and was all in on abortion And still it wasn’t enough.
Posted by: Mazda MX6 at July 06, 2026 11:57 AM (WUIO9)
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157 Swift adopted leftwing politics because she thought it made business sense.
I suspect she sees going too far down the woke path isn't going to make her more $$$
Posted by: 18-1
The doings of celebutards have little to do with my quality of life. I try to ignore their comings and goings. Unfortunately for the crowd that likes celebrity worship, we don't have a depraved royal family like the Euros do to write endless useless wanking articles about. We have to make do with a class even more degenerate--entertainers.
I suspect she sees going too far down the woke path isn't going to make her more $$$
Posted by: 18-1
The doings of celebutards have little to do with my quality of life. I try to ignore their comings and goings. Unfortunately for the crowd that likes celebrity worship, we don't have a depraved royal family like the Euros do to write endless useless wanking articles about. We have to make do with a class even more degenerate--entertainers.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 11:57 AM (E4rtv)
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193 OTOH I did enjoy "The Wedding Singer"
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
Good movie..
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)
Good movie..
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 11:57 AM (GsrgF)
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Getting your friend, father, brother , etc to officiate is now increasingly popular with people who do not belong to/ go to a church or synagogue and are not really into organized religion, and if people have been living together it obviates the need to have premarital counseling that most religious groups require.
It's astonishing to me how many people now think they needn't bother with premarital counseling. Even if you're not religious, who wouldn't benefit from a disinterested 3rd party asking "have you thought about things like children, money, and chore allocation?"
It's astonishing to me how many people now think they needn't bother with premarital counseling. Even if you're not religious, who wouldn't benefit from a disinterested 3rd party asking "have you thought about things like children, money, and chore allocation?"
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
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From what I've seen, the US threatened to take FIFA to Arbitration Court over it, and FIFA rescinded the suspension so they didn't have to expose their retarded-ass appeals process in court.
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Well it was supposedly already under review and that committee made their decision "independently". I think the issue was that the penalty was not called on the field, not even a yellow. And they used the review to determine intent - when it is only supposed to be for contact.
Its a weird and nearly pointless sport, where the players routinely flop to attempt to gain an advantage. It happens in other sports, but the comical writhing in agony, to then hop up and sprint downfield when the referee ignores you is just too common. Its like big time wrestling or something. Its a much play acting as it is sport.
From what I've seen, the US threatened to take FIFA to Arbitration Court over it, and FIFA rescinded the suspension so they didn't have to expose their retarded-ass appeals process in court.
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Well it was supposedly already under review and that committee made their decision "independently". I think the issue was that the penalty was not called on the field, not even a yellow. And they used the review to determine intent - when it is only supposed to be for contact.
Its a weird and nearly pointless sport, where the players routinely flop to attempt to gain an advantage. It happens in other sports, but the comical writhing in agony, to then hop up and sprint downfield when the referee ignores you is just too common. Its like big time wrestling or something. Its a much play acting as it is sport.
Posted by: OMG the Complaining at July 06, 2026 11:57 AM (anL5R)
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Nothing says "This wedding is really serious, guys" like having Adam Fucking Sandler officiate your deathless vows
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (GsrgF)
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While I tried to avoid all things about this abomination of a wedding, I couldn't help see reports and updates about all the "stars" and "A Listers" at the wedding. Then they named a bunch of these supposed stars and showed their pictures.
I had no idea who most of these people are. Literally none. Some of the names I recognized, but to call them "stars" is beyond optimistic. Maybe they were famous .... 25 years ago.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
In front of an intimate crowd of 1000 in Madison Square Garden...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 11:51 AM (GsrgF)
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While I tried to avoid all things about this abomination of a wedding, I couldn't help see reports and updates about all the "stars" and "A Listers" at the wedding. Then they named a bunch of these supposed stars and showed their pictures.
I had no idea who most of these people are. Literally none. Some of the names I recognized, but to call them "stars" is beyond optimistic. Maybe they were famous .... 25 years ago.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (iFTx/)
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My prenup was a verbal commitment to surrender unconditionaly.
My prenup was a verbal commitment to surrender unconditionaly.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (6osB/)
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In parts of S.F., the bodegas offer gambling and drugs.
Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (DZ9Lv)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (Kt19C)
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So it's a Tay-Tay thread now?
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (vTZFs)
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Soccer seems very corrupt !
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (GD0B3)
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My prenup was a verbal commitment to surrender unconditionaly.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (6osB/)
LOL
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (6osB/)
LOL
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (GsrgF)
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My prenup was a verbal commitment to surrender unconditionally.
Posted by: Auspex
No safe word? That's edgey.
Posted by: Auspex
No safe word? That's edgey.
Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (DZ9Lv)
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Clean up soccer !
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (GD0B3)
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Taylor Swift is a Nazi are bot attacks. Mamdani's people got big money (shared in $26 million) doled out from the princess, a solid progressive, as result of the PR for the "wedding" at MSG.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (NFX2v)
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My prenup was a verbal commitment to surrender unconditionaly.
Saves time and in the end the only difference is that lawyers don't get a cut.
Saves time and in the end the only difference is that lawyers don't get a cut.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (vTZFs)
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203 So it's a Tay-Tay thread now?
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (vTZFs)
Well, we are talking about failures that people could see years ahead of time....
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:58 AM (vTZFs)
Well, we are talking about failures that people could see years ahead of time....
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at July 06, 2026 12:00 PM (KFbdf)
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I would guess that Adam Sandler is her friend and hopefully he had a conversation with the couple beforehand to determine what their vows would be instead of winging it. Getting your friend, father, brother , etc to officiate is now increasingly popular with people who do not belong to/ go to a church or synagogue and are not really into organized religion, and if people have been living together it obviates the need to have premarital counseling that most religious groups require.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
My father was a justice of the peace, he married one couple but took it seriously. I was going through his papers and found where he wrote study notes as to how to do it properly.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
My father was a justice of the peace, he married one couple but took it seriously. I was going through his papers and found where he wrote study notes as to how to do it properly.
Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)
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Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
That's it? I would've expected a multi-volume set.
Posted by: Bring it in on a forklift
Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
That's it? I would've expected a multi-volume set.
Posted by: Bring it in on a forklift
Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2026 12:00 PM (MXaEW)
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The famous photo of the black woman riding the DC subway surrounded by Patriot Front "right wingers" has hit a snag.
t’s been revealed that the black woman Democrats put on a pedestal for “bravely” riding a train with Patriot Front members was engaging in indecent exposure on the train moments before the photo was taken and has a lengthy arrest record.
https://tinyurl.com/yepmcuak
t’s been revealed that the black woman Democrats put on a pedestal for “bravely” riding a train with Patriot Front members was engaging in indecent exposure on the train moments before the photo was taken and has a lengthy arrest record.
https://tinyurl.com/yepmcuak
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)
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John Roberts just ruled a red card is a tax and every member of the Belgian team is now a US citizen.
Posted by: Breaking News at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (WUIO9)
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Don’t you have to be ordained clergy to preside at a wedding for the marriage to be legally valid, or a judge/JP?
Posted by: Bulg at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
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Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
That's it? I would've expected a multi-volume set.
Posted by: Bring it in on a forklift at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (TbWk/)
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That 40 pages is just the index to the full document...in a multi-volume set.
Swift’s prenup was 40 pages long.
Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2026 11:52 AM (6osB/)
That's it? I would've expected a multi-volume set.
Posted by: Bring it in on a forklift at July 06, 2026 11:55 AM (TbWk/)
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That 40 pages is just the index to the full document...in a multi-volume set.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (FZ29D)
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Waiting for you guys to discuss the wedding dress and ..canapes..
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (GD0B3)
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Rumor is they got married prior to the MSG ceremony.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM
MSG in ceremony? Fuiyoh!
- Uncle Roger (probably)
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:54 AM
MSG in ceremony? Fuiyoh!
- Uncle Roger (probably)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (bFu5X)
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So it's a Tay-Tay thread now?
Posted by: Oddbob
Always a boob thread.
*Various definitions of boob.
Posted by: Oddbob
Always a boob thread.
*Various definitions of boob.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 06, 2026 12:02 PM (MXaEW)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 06, 2026 12:02 PM (0U5gm)
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214 John Roberts just ruled a red card is a tax and every member of the Belgian team is now a US citizen.
However, he ruled out mandatory abortions for them, so it's a partial win.
However, he ruled out mandatory abortions for them, so it's a partial win.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 12:02 PM (Riz8t)
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Don’t you have to be ordained clergy to preside at a wedding for the marriage to be legally valid, or a judge/JP?
Posted by: Bulg at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM
In some states (maybe all for all I know) you can be made a JP for a day.
Posted by: Bulg at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM
In some states (maybe all for all I know) you can be made a JP for a day.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2026 12:02 PM (bFu5X)
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t’s been revealed that the black woman Democrats put on a pedestal for “bravely” riding a train with Patriot Front members was engaging in indecent exposure on the train moments before the photo was taken
I'm genuinely surprised. I figured she was as much a paid plant as everyone else on the train.
I'm genuinely surprised. I figured she was as much a paid plant as everyone else on the train.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 12:03 PM (vTZFs)
Posted by: Sep Blatter at July 06, 2026 12:03 PM (anL5R)
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Adam Sandler conducted her marriage ceremony.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
The DNC's entire brand is "we hate Jews" at this point. It's comical seeing Jewish voters and elected Jewish Dems fail to understand that. Josh Shapiro actually thinks that by not sending a PA delegation to the state-by-state fair thing in DC he's a lock for 2028.
Why does that make her a NAZI? He's Jewish and not one of those Jewish people whose career is around hating Israel.
The DNC's entire brand is "we hate Jews" at this point. It's comical seeing Jewish voters and elected Jewish Dems fail to understand that. Josh Shapiro actually thinks that by not sending a PA delegation to the state-by-state fair thing in DC he's a lock for 2028.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2026 12:03 PM (2ocoG)
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209 My prenup was a verbal commitment to surrender unconditionaly.
Saves time and in the end the only difference is that lawyers don't get a cut.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (vTZFs)
You still lose your balls and get eviscerated in exchange for not having sex with the same woman for the rest of your life. Helluva deal!
Saves time and in the end the only difference is that lawyers don't get a cut.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 11:59 AM (vTZFs)
You still lose your balls and get eviscerated in exchange for not having sex with the same woman for the rest of your life. Helluva deal!
Posted by: A dweam wiffin a dweam at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (TbWk/)
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Ford famously avoided the direct taxpayer-funded bailouts that General Motors & Chrysler required to survive the 2008 financial crisis"
And regretted doing so, once they saw billions pour in without actually making and selling things
And regretted doing so, once they saw billions pour in without actually making and selling things
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (cGjQu)
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The famous photo of the black woman riding the DC subway surrounded by Patriot Front "right wingers" has hit a snag.
t’s been revealed that the black woman Democrats put on a pedestal for “bravely” riding a train with Patriot Front members was engaging in indecent exposure on the train moments before the photo was taken and has a lengthy arrest record.
https://tinyurl.com/yepmcuak
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)
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She was brave for riding in the same train as undercover FBI agents loyal to the MAGA-hating Deep State?
t’s been revealed that the black woman Democrats put on a pedestal for “bravely” riding a train with Patriot Front members was engaging in indecent exposure on the train moments before the photo was taken and has a lengthy arrest record.
https://tinyurl.com/yepmcuak
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)
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She was brave for riding in the same train as undercover FBI agents loyal to the MAGA-hating Deep State?
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (iFTx/)
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In some states (maybe all for all I know) you can be made a JP for a day.
My sister-in-law got some kind of online credential to officiate a friend's wedding. She has no intention of ever using it again unless maybe it gets her a discount at Denny's.
My sister-in-law got some kind of online credential to officiate a friend's wedding. She has no intention of ever using it again unless maybe it gets her a discount at Denny's.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (vTZFs)
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Should've had Keith Richards officiate. You know, symbol of longevity.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (ndZc7)
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The DNC's entire brand is "we hate Jews" at this point. It's comical seeing Jewish voters and elected Jewish Dems fail to understand that. Josh Shapiro actually thinks that by not sending a PA delegation to the state-by-state fair thing in DC he's a lock for 2028.
He's actually one of the potentials I fear most. Or I would if, you know, he weren't a filthy Joo.
He's actually one of the potentials I fear most. Or I would if, you know, he weren't a filthy Joo.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 06, 2026 12:05 PM (Riz8t)
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The Schadenfreude, it is delicious.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Schadenfreude would be a good model name.
The Schadenfreude, it is delicious.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Schadenfreude would be a good model name.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 06, 2026 12:05 PM (Cqx++)
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I see it clearly now, rhere is a Devine reason for the US to host FIFA! We are destined to clean up the sport, for the good of ALL !
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 12:05 PM (GD0B3)
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Posted by: A dweam wiffin a dweam at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM
Wow...the Impressive Clergyman posts here!
Wow...the Impressive Clergyman posts here!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2026 12:05 PM (bFu5X)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2026 12:05 PM (6UQAR)
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*Divine...not De-Vine
Posted by: runner at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM (GD0B3)
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You can predict what the left minded person will do but you can never explain it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (/WQyy)
Their compensation is obviously coming in other ways. No industry in the world becomes a consistent loser and never changes gears or questions it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 06, 2026 11:23 AM (/WQyy)
Their compensation is obviously coming in other ways. No industry in the world becomes a consistent loser and never changes gears or questions it.
Posted by: ... at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM (vE0+H)
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I can drag up Philly.
BreakThrough News
1d
NOW: Hundreds of veterans participating in a "Freedom Over Fascism" march in Philadelphia to demonstrate their opposition to Trump's wars and immigration policies.
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I think the military veterans among such groups were FEW & FAR between at best. In fact, I think a lot of marching men aren't U.S. citizens, a few are simply union organizers, and they're all boosted by the LGTQai++ community and Code Pink.
BreakThrough News
1d
NOW: Hundreds of veterans participating in a "Freedom Over Fascism" march in Philadelphia to demonstrate their opposition to Trump's wars and immigration policies.
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I think the military veterans among such groups were FEW & FAR between at best. In fact, I think a lot of marching men aren't U.S. citizens, a few are simply union organizers, and they're all boosted by the LGTQai++ community and Code Pink.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM (NFX2v)
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She was brave for riding in the same train as undercover FBI agents loyal to the MAGA-hating Deep State?
I don't think they're FBI (Kash fired a *lot* of lefties and the FBI is at least appearing to do their job now), but they're definitely Deep State.
I don't think they're FBI (Kash fired a *lot* of lefties and the FBI is at least appearing to do their job now), but they're definitely Deep State.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM (2ocoG)
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I've had Hyundai's since 2008. My 18 year old Hyundai Santa Fe has 190K miles on it. Never had a problem. My newer 2020 Hyundai Santa Fe with 70k on it now has had no problems. My husband was a Hyundai master tech for a decade, then moved over to Kia for the last 9 years, don't buy a Kia.
Posted by: Jaimo at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM (2noDb)
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they're all boosted by the LGTQai++ community
My favorite version of that I've seen is "LGHGTV".
My favorite version of that I've seen is "LGHGTV".
Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2026 12:08 PM (2ocoG)
242
I can drag up Philly.
BreakThrough News
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NOW: Hundreds of veterans participating in a "Freedom Over Fascism" march in Philadelphia to demonstrate their opposition to Trump's wars and immigration policies.
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I think the military veterans among such groups were FEW & FAR between at best. In fact, I think a lot of marching men aren't U.S. citizens, a few are simply union organizers, and they're all boosted by the LGTQai++ community and Code Pink.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM
Show me your DD214s and the character of your discharges, commies. I have questions.
BreakThrough News
1d
NOW: Hundreds of veterans participating in a "Freedom Over Fascism" march in Philadelphia to demonstrate their opposition to Trump's wars and immigration policies.
---
I think the military veterans among such groups were FEW & FAR between at best. In fact, I think a lot of marching men aren't U.S. citizens, a few are simply union organizers, and they're all boosted by the LGTQai++ community and Code Pink.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2026 12:06 PM
Show me your DD214s and the character of your discharges, commies. I have questions.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2026 12:08 PM (bFu5X)
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:09 PM (cGjQu)
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Swift adopted leftwing politics because she thought it made business sense.
I suspect she sees going too far down the woke path isn't going to make her more $$$
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (sKqQm)
It jumped her from stardom to superstardom. They gave her Capital One commercials, big movies, and fawning media once she committed to them. Before that she was still on the fringes of world domination. The leftard sellout cinched it. They can't risk another Trump so you have to sell your soul to them before you are allowed too much influence.
I suspect she sees going too far down the woke path isn't going to make her more $$$
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2026 11:49 AM (sKqQm)
It jumped her from stardom to superstardom. They gave her Capital One commercials, big movies, and fawning media once she committed to them. Before that she was still on the fringes of world domination. The leftard sellout cinched it. They can't risk another Trump so you have to sell your soul to them before you are allowed too much influence.
Posted by: ... at July 06, 2026 12:09 PM (vE0+H)
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The player in Redcardgate is an anchor baby. He was born in the US because his mom was too pregnant to fly back home after visiting. Airline refused to board her. So she popped little Flo on US soil. He went to the UK immediately and spent his entire left there. A couple of decades later US soccer was like hey that guy over there who hasn’t spent a day of his life in America …fuck we can use him.
Trump went to bat for him a few days after the scotus case that would have made him not eligible to play for the US, had the case gone his way and 25 years earlier.
His Birthday is July 3. He missed being a 4th of July baby by hours.
Life takes weird turns.
Trump went to bat for him a few days after the scotus case that would have made him not eligible to play for the US, had the case gone his way and 25 years earlier.
His Birthday is July 3. He missed being a 4th of July baby by hours.
Life takes weird turns.
Posted by: Irony Alert at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (WUIO9)
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And Belgium has filed a complaint against FISA for reinstating the American player.. Proof positive to me that the call was fixed...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (GsrgF)
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Look at the build date on any domestic car and the number of problems is directly tied to a built time that spans a Friday or a Monday.
Only buy cars built Tuesday through Thursday.
Only buy cars built Tuesday through Thursday.
Posted by: Reforger at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (DCsZP)
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241 they're all boosted by the LGTQai++ community
My favorite version of that I've seen is "LGHGTV".
Posted by: Ian S.
Yeah, I see no waning in the regional high schools.
My favorite version of that I've seen is "LGHGTV".
Posted by: Ian S.
Yeah, I see no waning in the regional high schools.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (NFX2v)
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Hundreds of veterans"
I saw video. "Hundreds", you say?
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:09 PM
*shifty eyes*
Yup. Thousands, even. Just out of frame...
*shifty eyes*
I saw video. "Hundreds", you say?
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:09 PM
*shifty eyes*
Yup. Thousands, even. Just out of frame...
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: The MFM at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (bFu5X)
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Posted by: whig at July 06, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)
I was not suggesting JP's don't take this responsibility seriously only that they usually don't do premarital counseling.
I was not suggesting JP's don't take this responsibility seriously only that they usually don't do premarital counseling.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (6UQAR)
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They're just fcking with us, part the bazillionth:
https://shorturl.at/YjKLn
The only ones without a link to records are George Washington and one other guy.
https://shorturl.at/YjKLn
The only ones without a link to records are George Washington and one other guy.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2026 12:10 PM (R+iUD)
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:11 PM (cGjQu)
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NOODLUM
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2026 12:11 PM (l3cgK)
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227 Ford famously avoided the direct taxpayer-funded bailouts that General Motors & Chrysler required to survive the 2008 financial crisis"
And regretted doing so, once they saw billions pour in without actually making and selling things
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (cGjQu)
GM and Chrysler went bankrupt. Maybe the union workers regret the lack of it, but the owners certainly don't.
And regretted doing so, once they saw billions pour in without actually making and selling things
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:04 PM (cGjQu)
GM and Chrysler went bankrupt. Maybe the union workers regret the lack of it, but the owners certainly don't.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at July 06, 2026 12:11 PM (okun6)
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He's actually one of the potentials I fear most. Or I would if, you know, he weren't a filthy Joo.
Yeah, he's arguably their best potential candidate, but the Gaza worship has only gotten stronger since Kamala passed him over.
Yeah, he's arguably their best potential candidate, but the Gaza worship has only gotten stronger since Kamala passed him over.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2026 12:11 PM (2ocoG)
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252 Look at the build date "
That's just the date the vin was assigned.
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:11 PM (cGjQu)
It's in the paperwork of the car.
That's just the date the vin was assigned.
Posted by: man at July 06, 2026 12:11 PM (cGjQu)
It's in the paperwork of the car.
Posted by: Reforger at July 06, 2026 12:13 PM (DCsZP)
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Belgium is indeed a low country.
Posted by: Donnie Two Scoops on hot mic at July 06, 2026 12:15 PM (anL5R)
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Those of you who want simpler "no frills" cars have routinely been proven to be a very small but vocal minority of automotive buyers time and time again.
The dealers are unanimous, the de-featured base models are the ones that sit on the lot the longest.
The new Slate EV "truck" doesn't have anything ... not even a stereo. Crank windows. Manual mirrors. Its starting price is $25k and you don't even get A/C for that.
The dealers are unanimous, the de-featured base models are the ones that sit on the lot the longest.
The new Slate EV "truck" doesn't have anything ... not even a stereo. Crank windows. Manual mirrors. Its starting price is $25k and you don't even get A/C for that.
Posted by: Defenestratus at July 06, 2026 12:25 PM (WYStd)
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