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Wednesday Night ONT - July 1, 2026 [Magna Carta]
Where to start? The beginning of course...
Did you know that I was not originally called the Magna Carta? At the time (1215), I was known as the "Charter of Liberties" (or the "Charter of Runnymede" named after the location of agreement). I was not developed as a major overhaul to the English government or society. I was simply a written confirmation of rights and customs to correct abuses. England was essentially a feudal system. Nobles and barons were granted estates (aka "huge tracts of land") by the Crown in exchange for loyalty, income and military personnel when required. Lords, knights and vassals gave loyalty in exchange for smaller protection and land. Ultimately, the King sat at the top of the pyramid to manage the country. England was not a peaceful utopia before the Charter was signed but it operated through a system of laws, traditions and cultural expectations. By custom, the King was expected to honor the norms but what happens if the King abuses his power and authority? What happens if the King bends or breaks the expected rules of behavior? In many cases, nothing. The King's power was absolute. There was no recourse short of violence and rebellion. King John of England tested those limits. He was King of England from 1199 until his death in 1216 and spent most of that time fighting over Normandy with France. He spent a lot, raised taxes and fees, unilaterally changed prior agreements, confiscated land from barons that could no longer pay, and imprisoned political enemies. He was also deeply suspicious of any barons that had any money or power (i.e., most of them). He was a poopyhead.
I attempted to resolve a power struggle in a feudal country. (Good luck, right!?) I did not overhaul rights and privileges for the entire country or everyone in the population - just the relationship between the barons and the crown. I did not contain new political philosophy and my clauses were not unprecedented. I was a pragmatic compromise. I was an attempt at a peace treaty. The barons renewed oaths of loyalty and copies of the charter were formally issued. As you might imagine, nobody was happy with me and I failed. Bummer. Neither side trusted the other. The King asked the Pope to reject the deal (which he did). Less than three months after I was born, the First Barons' War erupted. King John died in October 1216, leaving nine year old Henry III as his heir and the war continued. While I failed, my language was carried into other treaties and attempts at resolving tension between the crown and the barons. The First Barons' War came to an end with the Treaty of Lambeth in September 1217. Subsequently, the Charter of the Forest was issued in November 1217. It was considered an evolutionary complement to the 1215 Charter of Liberties. Having trouble keeping track of the charters? You're not the only one. This is where the Magna Carta name was born and applied to the June 1215 Charter of Liberties to avoid confusing them. In 1225, King Henry III re-issued and re-affirmed the charter primarily to placate barons who were asked to finance more military action in France. The 1225 affirmation was arguably more voluntary and definitive than the 1215 agreement which gave it strength. Magna Carta principles had staying power but became a bargaining chip for the next several decades. It gave the barons leverage (even if it was cited or ignored when convenient). King Edward I reissued the 1225 charters in 1297 in return for - you guessed it - a new tax.
Nice to know that what I said in 1215 at Runnymede had enough wisdom and staying power to change history for the better. Now you know. Happy Birthday, America!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."Ronaldus Magnus, March 30, 1961
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at July 01, 2026 10:00 PM (+9wcF)
Posted by: mindful webworker explains the universe at July 01, 2026 10:00 PM (FL3q9)
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 10:00 PM (Wmg4n)
Ponder that thought.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqiOBbRzEgI
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:01 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 01, 2026 10:01 PM (snZF9)
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 10:01 PM (Wmg4n)
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kinda underwhelming
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:02 PM (8qVJT)
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at July 01, 2026 10:03 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2026 10:03 PM (Cqx++)
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:04 PM (8qVJT)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 01, 2026 10:04 PM (1Ff7Z)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2026 10:05 PM (PY8/y)
We have a launch in about 40 minutes.
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 17-46
SLC-4E - Vandenberg SFB - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: July 1, 2026 (PDT)
Launch Time: 7:58 p.m. PDT (July 2, 0258 UTC, 04:58 CEST)
https://youtu.be/O1eT8GNVhU8
Posted by: Joyenz at July 01, 2026 10:05 PM (2F0/Y)
Posted by: tankdemon at July 01, 2026 10:05 PM (svL1X)
Posted by: man at July 01, 2026 10:06 PM (XuXeR)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2026 10:03 PM (Cqx++)
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Where were the No Kings idiots when King Charles came to visit the White House???
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 01, 2026 10:06 PM (THY4u)
Posted by: World Cup Update at July 01, 2026 10:06 PM (o0gs9)
Posted by: mindful webworker complains about the universe at July 01, 2026 10:06 PM (FL3q9)
Posted by: tankdemon at July 01, 2026 10:07 PM (svL1X)
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:07 PM (rdVOm)
Direct quote from the book of Kumala.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:07 PM (afJtY)
Everyone knows it's windy...
Posted by: man at July 01, 2026 10:07 PM (XuXeR)
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 10:08 PM (NXz0i)
⚽️🇺🇸🦅
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 10:08 PM (Wmg4n)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 01, 2026 10:08 PM (n5tGW)
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2026 10:08 PM (Av6i5)
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kinda underwhelming
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:02 PM (8qVJT)
Perhaps that's why Walter Hubbard build Castle Craig - as an example of one of the guard towers that used to protect this memorial.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 10:08 PM (qx7Zg)
Posted by: huerfano at July 01, 2026 10:09 PM (VJX5o)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 10:09 PM (qx7Zg)
Posted by: man at July 01, 2026 10:10 PM (XuXeR)
We need more accurate history lessons to counteract the crap and legend taught when we were in school.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at July 01, 2026 10:10 PM (D/6p1)
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 10:10 PM (nsSpm)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks
You're wanting the left to be consistent with their protests and howling?
Never happen.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 10:11 PM (NXz0i)
Fight!, Fight!, Fight!
_Donald J. Trump
Follow the leaders.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:11 PM (c35xG)
Hopefully every member of the Horde is doing well.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 01, 2026 10:13 PM (CHHv1)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:14 PM (c35xG)
https://youtu.be/O1eT8GNVhU8
Posted by: Joyenz at July 01, 2026 10:05 PM
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Joyenz, thanks for getting them on a more civilized schedule.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:15 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 01, 2026 10:15 PM (yEz+x)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:15 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: mindful webworker explains the universe at July 01, 2026 10:00 PM (FL3q9)
Which weighs more— a 12lb bowling ball or 12 pounds of feathers?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at July 01, 2026 10:15 PM (841vw)
No commies, either
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 10:09 PM (qx7Zg)
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Whoa, a No Commies march. Lots of flags, pretty girls in boots and cowboy hats, offensive t-shirts, high-school marching bands.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2026 10:17 PM (O0L8i)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 01, 2026 10:18 PM (yEz+x)
I could be wrong
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:04 PM (8qVJT)
My theory is that adding the rate we move through space plus the rate we move through time is equal to the speed of light, which is why the faster we move, the more time slows down. (Watch Intersteller for an example of thst in action.)
Posted by: tankdemon at July 01, 2026 10:18 PM (svL1X)
Just because you have someone who can hit those high notes doesn't mean you have to use them!
😃🎶
Posted by: mindful webworker in the multiverse of madness at July 01, 2026 10:19 PM (FL3q9)
Shared it with Cat. He's my lil buddy. I think he liked the sauce, too. Heh. Sweet Baby Ray's!
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:19 PM (rdVOm)
Posted by: Joemarine at July 01, 2026 10:20 PM (y171U)
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I remember when that was true in this country. Sadly an immoral people are not fit for our system of government.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 10:20 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 01, 2026 10:20 PM (u82oZ)
This is a righteous ONT.
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:07 PM (rdVOm)
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Seconded.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 10:21 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:22 PM (8qVJT)
Fuck me.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 01, 2026 10:18 PM (yEz+x)
Seattle is going to go crazy!!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2026 10:22 PM (2WIwB)
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
It's not the mass, it's the density.
And the PSI. As my cat instructs every time she jumps on my belly.
Posted by: mindful webworker ponders the poliverse at July 01, 2026 10:22 PM (FL3q9)
The 🐝
Posted by: Archer at July 01, 2026 10:24 PM (wvc0i)
Well doneth! Me thinks a right and proper ONT.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2026 10:24 PM (2WIwB)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:24 PM (afJtY)
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I wish we were serious about that.
For far too long we've cared only about acquiring stuff and getting along.
Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2026 10:24 PM (vSvIl)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 01, 2026 10:25 PM (0N2Wv)
Question (because sometimes I can't discern sarcasm through text):
Me (to Canadian boss): Happy Dominion Day!
Boss: Canada Day
Merely re-branding? Being obstinate?
Posted by: Steck at July 01, 2026 10:25 PM (LlRQB)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:26 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 01, 2026 10:26 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: Steck at July 01, 2026 10:27 PM (LlRQB)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2026 10:29 PM (vE0+H)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 01, 2026 10:29 PM (yEz+x)
He renounced his agreement as soon as he felt it was politically feasible to do so.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 01, 2026 10:29 PM (0N2Wv)
Posted by: mindful webworker synchronizes with the atomic cloud at July 01, 2026 10:30 PM (FL3q9)
Posted by: Cicero
So... a modern politician. Before his time!
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:30 PM (rdVOm)
Posted by: Steck at July 01, 2026 10:30 PM (LlRQB)
—that little kid who thinks God's name is Art.
Posted by: mindful webworker synchronizes with the atomic cloud at July 01, 2026 10:30 PM (FL3q9)
I thought it was Howard...
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not much of a globetrotter at July 01, 2026 10:31 PM (0aYVJ)
Boss: Canada Day
Merely re-branding? Being obstinate?
Posted by: Steck at July 01, 2026 10:25 PM (LlRQB)
The original and proper name for the holiday is Dominion Day. It was altered to "Canada Day" by a Liberal government. Since all Liberal governments are, as a matter of fact, illegitimate, "Canada Day" is a false holiday.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2026 10:31 PM (1z8ji)
90 seconds experiencing Paradise By The Dashboard Lights with an eager and willing girl goes WAY faster than
90 seconds filing out your 1040.
Word!
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2026 10:32 PM (wVcYX)
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the kid's right
Art Howard
our father, who's Art in Heaven
Howard be thy name
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:32 PM (8qVJT)
Crossing back into the U.S. we were interrogated for 2 hours.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 10:32 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
I know this if it's a pound of gold vs one pound of bowling ball. But, it is important to consider the Avoirdupois vs. troy systems of measurement.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 10:34 PM (NXz0i)
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WHAT, is your favorite color?
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at July 01, 2026 10:35 PM (0N2Wv)
Posted by: ...
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It ain't over yet.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:35 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:35 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 10:37 PM (nsSpm)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:37 PM (c35xG)
He renounced his agreement as soon as he felt it was politically feasible to do so.
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What a dick
Posted by: ayatollah of the week at July 01, 2026 10:38 PM (vSvIl)
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2026 10:38 PM (VCgbV)
When my kids were about 10, I took them to see a "friendly match" (we call them exhibition games) in which Argentina played Bosnia.
There is a sizable Bosnian population in south St. Louis. I bet no-one here knew that?
By chance, we were seated among the Bosnian fans. The Bosnians impressed me as being azaleas: "If you not root for either team, why you come anyway?"
Kind of unreasoning hostility, right? I still remember this experience whenever I hear or read the word "Bosnia."
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 10:38 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:39 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Diogenes at July 01, 2026 10:22 PM (2WIwB)
Not a long trip
Posted by: MAC V SOG at July 01, 2026 10:40 PM (P4Pk9)
Posted by: lin-duh at July 01, 2026 10:40 PM (VCgbV)
Entering Japan-- Xray shows *interesting* item(s)--
"So sorry, I must inspect your bag. Please stand here." Agent takes bag to nearby table, carefully removes contents.. "Ah, camera! Please excuse..." Agent carefully, deliberately repacks contents. "Welcome!"
- - -
Entering U.S.-- Xray shows *interesting* item(s)--
"Stand over there and stay there until I clear you." Agent pulls contents out of bag, finds nothing dangerous, leaves contents all over table. Another agent stands ready, making sure I don't move. "Okay. You can put your stuff back now."
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:40 PM (rdVOm)
WHich weighs more, a pound of lead, or a pound of helium?
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 01, 2026 10:41 PM (w6EFb)
15 Magna Carta memorial, Runnymede, England"
By Americans.
No, really.
Posted by: man at July 01, 2026 10:06 PM (XuXeR)
Glad you mentioned that. The English never made as big a thing out of it as we do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2026 10:42 PM (BSqvY)
Posted by: Steck at July 01, 2026 10:42 PM (LlRQB)
WHich weighs more, a pound of lead, or a pound of helium?
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb)
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Which will float highest?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:42 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (afJtY)
Which means all commies lie almost all the time. I'm enjoying watching their coming out party. It's scaring all the right people. Turn those few remaining purple districts red. They must have forgotten the political color scheme in the US.
Posted by: Black JEM at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (UQRAm)
Posted by: Ben Had
I'm gonna embrace the healing power of "and"!!!
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (rdVOm)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (afJtY)
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Both.
Posted by: Black JEM at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (UQRAm)
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Could be why they're in trouble now.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:44 PM (8qVJT)
But today, I feel like a total fucking university professor. (And not a Commie one!)
Thank you Magna Carta!
MC is in the houooose!
Posted by: Gunslinger at July 01, 2026 10:44 PM (Mxkwh)
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Perhaps they should make a thing out of it, they are losing their heritage with each passing day....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 01, 2026 10:45 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Ben Had
Yes!! Speaking of that, I bought gas at Buc-ee's today for $2.92 a gallon.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 10:45 PM (NXz0i)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:45 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at July 01, 2026 10:45 PM (0N2Wv)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2026 10:46 PM (1z8ji)
It would have a holographic image embossed on the front of an upside down American Bald Eagle which is a literal way of flipping the bird to whomever you owe money.
Posted by: Orson at July 01, 2026 10:46 PM (dIske)
Posted by: Black JEM
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It's not much of a worry; Oh, radical Colorado elected an extreme radical. Well, yeah, that's what they've been working for.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:47 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Don Black at July 01, 2026 10:47 PM (a/T52)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (afJtY)
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Imma have to reflect on this awhile.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 10:48 PM (RIvkX)
I'm still a dumb hick, but not as dumb as when I began reading here! History wasn't my favorite subject, but it's mostly because skool made it so boring. Dates and events.. but no *meaning* and no real discussion.. it was so dry and dull due to the presentation. "Social studies"--- BLEH!!!
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:48 PM (rdVOm)
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I saw a werewolf having a pina colada at Trader Vic's.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 01, 2026 10:50 PM (0N2Wv)
Posted by: tankdemon
If you take it to Japan, you can use it to measure holes.
Posted by: mikeski at July 01, 2026 10:50 PM (VHUov)
Posted by: Otto Penn at July 01, 2026 10:50 PM (sJHOI)
I don't think anyone remembers King John as being anything other than a bad king. I never read, or heard, anybody say of him, "He was the kind king who signed the Magna Carta." His contemporaries called him "John Softsword."
Whenever someone lists the worst kings of England after the Conquest, King John usually qualifies for the top 3, and always for the top 5.
For the title of "worst king," John usually ranks behind only Edward II and Richard III, from what I've read. The others who are considered about as bad were merely weak.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 10:51 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:52 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 01, 2026 10:52 PM (0N2Wv)
Posted by: mnw
What about Ethelred the Unready?
And as morally bad, surely we can agree Henry VIII was evil
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 01, 2026 10:53 PM (u/wrI)
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 10:54 PM (NXz0i)
Posted by: JQ
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Senior social studies teacher said, you are getting ready to go into the world, take notes of everything I say, it will be you outline to success. He was right. He outlined credit, how credit worked, technically how to get it and manipulate it and discipline your activity to maximize benefit. He hit other things just as critical.
It was a blueprint on how the world works, how to use it to your advantage and what you have to do to get it.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 10:54 PM (c35xG)
If the US beats a eurofag team in eurofag kickball the city will go berserk.
When we beat Australia last week, it was the most American flags, not on fire, I’ve ever seen downtown.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (yEz+x)
I like the way the NeoComs give the appearance that their proposals are something totally new, as though nobody thought of them before!!! Like it hasn't had a long and horrible history. Militant atheists are the same.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (O0L8i)
Fun fact, helium was discovered on the sun (hence the name) before it was discovered to exist on earth.
In 1868, some astronomers looking at various spectral lines during an eclipse noticed a line that didn't correspond to any known element on earth.
It wasn't until 1895 that helium was isolated on earth, and determined to be the same element as on the Sun.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (w6EFb)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (afJtY)
Does anyone eat corn on the cob typewriter style as opposed to the proper method of spiraling?
Probably shouldn't ask; could spark a war on the level of Ginger v crossbows.
Posted by: mindful webworker comparing realities at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (FL3q9)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 01, 2026 10:56 PM (w/O5Q)
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Well, on a positive note, if King John wasn't such a brutal piece of human excrement, the Magna Carta never would have been forced upon him by the noble families. As I recall, he pretty much failed at everything he attemped...and left the crown in dire straights financially. In his free time he was executing relatives and alienating the Church if some of the writings are to be believed.
Posted by: Orson at July 01, 2026 10:56 PM (dIske)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 10:57 PM (qx7Zg)
Which is better a pound of brisket or a pound of pulled pork?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (afJtY)
Pulled pork is okay, but hands down the brisket wins. Smoked is amazing, but I can also recommend CBD's recipe for brisket that is melt in your mouth good!
Posted by: moki at July 01, 2026 10:57 PM (wLjpr)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 01, 2026 10:58 PM (diia5)
Typewriter for me. Lots of butter and tajin.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 01, 2026 10:58 PM (C3pSe)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:59 PM (afJtY)
Probably shouldn't ask; could spark a war on the level of Ginger v crossbows.
Posted by: mindful webworker comparing realities at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (FL3q9)
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Well I don't like corn up my nose, so...
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 10:59 PM (RIvkX)
You had an exceptional teacher!
Our skool district was 90% union-drones, only there to teach what they *had to* and otherwise did not GAF. The best "education" I ever got, occurred outside the walls of public indoctrination.
I did have some excellent teachers. A few. But the majority were just putting in their time.
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 10:59 PM (rdVOm)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 01, 2026 10:59 PM (CHHv1)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 11:00 PM (qx7Zg)
Verily, England was not a land of unbroken peace and tranquility ere the Charter was signed. Nay, 'twas a realm governed by a complex web of laws, traditions, and unwritten expectations, wherein the mighty and the lowly didst navigate the treacherous shoals of power and privilege.
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2026 11:00 PM (frGWQ)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls
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Thanks, I almost missed it. Stupid FireFox.
I run FF and Brave at the same time and inadvertently put it on FF.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 11:00 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not much of a globetrotter at July 01, 2026 11:00 PM (0aYVJ)
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2026 11:01 PM (frGWQ)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:43 PM (afJtY)
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That's like asking to choose between a blonde supermodel and a brunette supermodel. Both are exquisite.
Redheaded supermodel = Kale
Posted by: Orson at July 01, 2026 11:02 PM (dIske)
Of all the courses of study, one must admit that "math" doesn't change, is not subject to the whims of social bullshyte. It just... IS.
I respect it.
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 11:03 PM (rdVOm)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 10:59 PM (afJtY)
Hugs and love to you!!!!! You doing okay???
Posted by: moki at July 01, 2026 11:03 PM (wLjpr)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:04 PM (afJtY)
Does anyone eat corn on the cob typewriter style as opposed to the proper method of spiraling?
Probably shouldn't ask; could spark a war on the level of Ginger v crossbows.
Posted by: mindful webworker comparing realities at July
Here I am to take ALL the arrows! I cut the corn off the cob first.
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 11:05 PM (Wmg4n)
Posted by: mindful webworker comparing realities at July 01, 2026 10:55 PM (FL3q9)
the only way to eat it
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 11:05 PM (nsSpm)
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 11:05 PM (rdVOm)
Posted by: mindful webworker comparing realities
You're an animal - you know that don't you?
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 11:06 PM (NXz0i)
Afraid I must disagree profoundly. No British king except Richard III ever arranged the premeditated murder of 2 kids. I'm not receptive to any argument that "some other dude did it." Richard controlled the Tower (the means and opportunity for the murders), and the children represented a prodigious dormant threat only to Richard (hence the motive). The Little Princes were the least of Henry Tudor's worries at the time.
To whoever posted that I left out Aethelred the Unready: I DID say "after the Conquest."
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:07 PM (RCjYY)
Doing journal citations, I had a thought to contact authors to try to cadge reprints from them, the way it used to be done.
I picked an author; we'll call him Vernon. He's at the Imperial College, London. I met him many years ago, a nice English fellow a couple of years younger than me.
Googled his name to get an e-mail address and found he's now Sir Vernon. And here I am just living out my days.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2026 11:07 PM (O0L8i)
Posted by: JQ
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Luckily, I preceded you a bit on that. Most of the teachers were dedicated, at that time, good people but human. You're right, this guy was exceptional. He was second year college level but as exceptional teachers are he made the complex simple...like our president.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 11:07 PM (c35xG)
Correspondingly, to obtain the best nic, one uses an anonymizer.
Posted by: mindful webworker commenting anonanonomously at July 01, 2026 11:08 PM (FL3q9)
Nothing like sweet corn bought by the side of the road on the way home to cook over the charcoal. If there is one thing I miss from the Midwest, that would be it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:08 PM (bl07w)
it's also how I leaf through magazines when in a waiting room. Back to front.
Man. I am jonesing for some Olathe sweet corn from Colorado right now.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not much of a globetrotter at July 01, 2026 11:08 PM (0aYVJ)
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 11:05 PM (Wmg4n)
ever fry it in a skillet?
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 11:08 PM (nsSpm)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 11:09 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: Orson at July 01, 2026 11:09 PM (dIske)
131 What do you call a teacher who never farts in public?
A private tutor
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 11:00 PM (qx7Zg)
What do you get when an aristocrat farts?
A noble gas.
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 11:09 PM (Wmg4n)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:10 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: JQ
My Latin instructor, Miss Cope, was old enough to have conversed with Caesar in his native tongue. Excellent instructor though.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 01, 2026 11:10 PM (NXz0i)
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:07 PM (RCjYY)
I am directly related to Alfred the Great and Malcolm Canmore, through the Tower family tree. Not sure that matters, even a little, since I don't have enough blood cells to have retained any of theirs, but it does make me read that history and, while some of it is speculative, we know surprisingly a lot about them both.
Also, St. Margaret of Scotland, Malcolm's wife. Apparently sainthood is not hereditary. Oh well.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:11 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 11:05 PM (Wmg4n)
ever fry it in a skillet?
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 11:08
Yes, I don’t eat a lot of corn, though. So it’s mostly grilled, but I do have a really good roasted corn salad recipe I should post on the next food thread.
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 11:11 PM (Wmg4n)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:12 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:12 PM (afJtY)
C'mon, Ben, anything at all done by Pete Bog. Anything at all. Yum.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:13 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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You may find yourself
Living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself
In another part of the world
And you may find yourself
Behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house
With a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself
"Well... how did I get here?"
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 11:13 PM (c35xG)
REVOLUTIONARY WAR
1762-1831
This has been a hard week for patriots watching everything erode away. So when I read the 1961 quote from RR, the tears finally broke. And that’s why I lurk, because I know I’m not alone. And for a few minutes, I’m transported back to a time when we had a real country. And for that Ace and the house of denizens, I’m eternally grateful.
Posted by: TxAnn at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (SjAWL)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (afJtY)
I like him, but he needs a better barber.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not much of a globetrotter at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (0aYVJ)
Typewriter for me. Lots of butter and tajin.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Really? When you eat corn-on-the-cob typewriter style, do you say *ding* at the end of every row before sliding it to the right?
*web-searches on tajin*
Tajin sounds good.
I used salt, fresh-ground black pepper, cumin, and curry.
Posted by: mindful webworker contemplating condiments at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (FL3q9)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:15 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 11:16 PM (c35xG)
Posted by: TxAnn at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (SjAWL)
All is NEVER lost, dear.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:16 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: gKWVE at July 01, 2026 11:16 PM (gKWVE)
English history is plenty challenging enough for me.
I don't do Anglo Saxons. I'm sure they were very interesting, though. King Harold had some lousy luck at Hastings-- that's all I know.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:17 PM (RCjYY)
When the ship appears near the end, it is manned by the Bridge Keeper. He says, "Stop! Who would cross the Sea of Fate, must answer me these questions twenty-eight!"
Arthur and Bedevere look at each other briefly, and toss the Bridge Keeper overboard.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 01, 2026 11:17 PM (CHHv1)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 11:18 PM (qx7Zg)
Posted by: LizLem at July 01, 2026 11:18 PM (gWBY1)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:19 PM (afJtY)
ULA - Atlas V 551 - Amazon Leo (LA-0
SLC-41 - Cape Canaveral SFS - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: July 2, 2026
Launch Time: 12:24 a.m. EDT (0424 UTC, 06:24 CEST)
https://youtu.be/GE5SStD7iwM
Posted by: Joyenz at July 01, 2026 11:19 PM (2F0/Y)
Blessings to you. I am humbled by those who experienced combat.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, US Army, 1987 - 1991 at July 01, 2026 11:19 PM (0aYVJ)
Posted by: TxAnn at July 01, 2026 11:14 PM (SjAWL)
All is NEVER lost, dear.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:16 PM (bl07w)
At least until SMOD hits. No more planet.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 11:19 PM (qx7Zg)
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:17 PM (RCjYY)
The remarkable thing about "English" history before 1066 is the various players, and where they were from, and how influential they may have been. It really was a tiny world at the time. It took Alfred's grandson to actually unite most of England, and even he had issues with that. There were surprisingly few people involved. Being "king" only held so much sway, and could be lost in a heartbeat.
So much of that history is pure chance.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:20 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 11:20 PM (RIvkX)
I respect it.
Posted by: JQ
You'd think so.
I was in 9th grade when they fired up "New Math." I told the teacher, I've got a good grounding in Olde Math, so I get what they're trying to do here, but I don't think it's good, nor will it be good for young'n's without Olde Math training. The educational establishment went with it anyway.
Posted by: mindful webworker counting my blessings at July 01, 2026 11:20 PM (FL3q9)
He got a little annoyed at me, heh.
Posted by: LizLem at July 01, 2026 11:20 PM (gWBY1)
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 01, 2026 11:20 PM (w6EFb)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 11:19 PM (qx7Zg)
At that point, who cares?
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:21 PM (bl07w)
Because the 'p' is silent.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 01, 2026 11:20 PM (w6EFb)
What does it sound like when it pshits?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, US Army, 1987 - 1991 at July 01, 2026 11:21 PM (0aYVJ)
Only 4% are blue collar. Over 80% of them have a college degree! I say, old chap, the bourgeois is revolting!
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2026 11:21 PM (frGWQ)
SMOD used to post here, guess he's too far out for a good WiFi link these days.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at July 01, 2026 11:22 PM (+9wcF)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 11:23 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2026 11:21 PM (frGWQ)
I know they revolted me.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:23 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Piper
MiladyJo inquires, so, do you cook it before you cut it off the cob, or after, and, if after, how do you cook it?
Posted by: mindful webworker vegetating at July 01, 2026 11:24 PM (FL3q9)
Unlike Anne, Katherine Howard was probably good for the adultery of which she was accused, which by definition was a form of treason.
Say what you like about Henry VIII, he never murdered children, AFAIK.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:24 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:25 PM (bl07w)
Where's the Oxford Compact? Hmm?
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Is that where Lady Oxford keeps her face powder?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2026 11:25 PM (Cqx++)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:27 PM (afJtY)
I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up, hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
Posted by: Tunguska Event eyewitness at July 01, 2026 11:28 PM (w6EFb)
==
He had the most disgusting, bloody, murderous reign imaginable. That in addition to beheading wives because of his own sexual impotency. Claims about Richard III murdering the "Princes in the Tower" are all they are - claims by the Tudors. History written by Tudors, who removed legitimate heir will not be kind to its predecessor.
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2026 11:29 PM (frGWQ)
Unlike Anne, Katherine Howard was probably good for the adultery of which she was accused, which by definition was a form of treason.
Say what you like about Henry VIII, he never murdered children, AFAIK.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:24 PM (RCjYY)
Henry VIII was a randy pig, and not very attractive. He cut a fine figure when he was young, but by the time he was messing with Ann, he was already beginning to rot from the inside. It is likely that Ann slept with shim to produce both Elizabeth but not the horribly misformed miscarriage she produced after, so she probably got that elsewhere. It is very likely that Henry was mostly impotent by then. He was certainly disillusioned by her act of purity before marriage.
He probably was the father of his only male heir. After that, he probably couldn't get it up to save his life, let alone his marriages.
Dude put himself above the Church, and nearly up to God. His legacy is the degeneration that is England today.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:29 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: scampydog at July 01, 2026 11:30 PM (41CYW)
Posted by: Piper
MiladyJo inquires, so, do you cook it before you cut it off the cob, or after, and, if after, how do you cook it?
Posted by: mindful webworker vegetating at July 01,
After, and normally J grills it. It is also a part of crawfish boils. Where I will eat the corn, but not the crawfish. lol.
Posted by: Piper at July 01, 2026 11:30 PM (Wmg4n)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:27 PM (afJtY)
We go to Kasilof next week. Weir counts are good. We will endeavor.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:31 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2026 11:32 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: SturmToddler
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abomination
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2026 11:16 PM (c35xG)
begun, the corn wars have
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 11:32 PM (nsSpm)
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:32 PM (bl07w)
I'm hoping with all the right wing leaders getting voted in south of us, they stabilize their countries so their citizens just stay put.
The anchor babies I see in my daily life, my friends and my kids' friends... it might be anecdotal, but the ones from south of our border I personally know adore this country and are grateful to be here. It really depends on the kid and the family. A lot of times their love of American culture conflicts with their parents' traditional ways, like most kids of immigrants. They aren't voting in lockstep with the dems like their parents did, so the dems are getting a little sick of them.
Posted by: LizLem at July 01, 2026 11:33 PM (gWBY1)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:34 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Adriane the Not Paranoid Enough Critic . . . at July 01, 2026 11:35 PM (WGVYq)
Posted by: Skip at July 01, 2026 11:36 PM (Ia/+0)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:34 PM (afJtY)
Yes, and it killed Jane. I suspect he did father that one. She was a bit of a mouse, not likely a political player like Ann was.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:36 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Piper
MiladyJo inquires, so, do you cook it before you cut it off the cob, or after, and, if after, how do you cook it?
Posted by: mindful webworker vegetating at July 01, 2026 11:24 PM (FL3q9)
3 or 4 minutes in boiling salted water, then cut off the cob.
use a good skillet, lots butter, paula dean levels is good, salt, pepper, onion powder, and garlic powder and cook to crispy
Posted by: SturmToddler at July 01, 2026 11:36 PM (nsSpm)
Posted by: Adriane the Not Paranoid Enough Critic . . . at July 01, 2026 11:36 PM (WGVYq)
I appreciated the faith I was taught, but my church's origin was never something to brag about!
Posted by: mindful webworker steeple chasing at July 01, 2026 11:37 PM (FL3q9)
Posted by: Adriane the Not Paranoid Enough Critic . . . at July 01, 2026 11:39 PM (WGVYq)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2026 11:40 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:40 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Adriane the Not Paranoid Enough Critic . . . at July 01, 2026 11:40 PM (WGVYq)
The B-52's - Debbie (Official Music Video)
https://youtu.be/rSEMjZ6YqGI
Blondie - "Mother" - Official Video
https://youtu.be/-3mBObJM0ss
I will have more on Sufjan Stevens later, but first I'm taking a walk while it's still light out.
Posted by: SciVo at July 01, 2026 11:42 PM (Sy6m/)
Posted by: Adriane the Not Paranoid Enough Critic . . . at July 01, 2026 11:39 PM (WGVYq)
Here's the disturbing part of all that. Most of the executions he "ordered" were not actually at his behest. When the "ruler" is completely crazy, sycophants will do anything to stay in his good graces, and murder is just one of the many evils committed in that ploy. All Henry had to do was complain about some inconvenience or another, and his minions would remove said inconvenience. If you read the sentence of Ann Boleyn, it is clear that it is a tautology, not a real sentence. They made it look like she had committed treason, but the argument is very thin and weak. But, it is what Henry wanted to hear, so it carried the day.
Evil.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:43 PM (bl07w)
Henry VIII:
As stated, Anne was murdered, along with 5 others who were accused of having had sex with her-- including Anne's own brother. The whole case was a crock.
However, Katherine Howard did likely commit treason, i.e., adultery.
Richard III as "victim of Tudor propaganda": the Italian ambassador wrote CONTEMPORANEOUSLY that Richard was universally believed to have had probably had the Little Princes murdered, i.e., that was BEFORE the Tudors.
Historians have long maintained that Richard had unusual difficulty amassing an army at Bosworth-- in large part because of disgust with the disappearance of the Little Princes.
None of that was Tudor propaganda. Richard had 100% control of the Tower. The Princes had a FAR better claim to the throne than Richard. Otoh, EVERYBODY had a better claim to the throne than Henry Tudor.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:44 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: mindful webworker - cool, calm, and connected at July 01, 2026 11:46 PM (FL3q9)
https://x.com/hmcrem/status/
2072372759749857714?s=46
We escaped there during Covid and no one masked up. We joked it was the "town covid forgot." It was a great trip.
Posted by: LizLem at July 01, 2026 11:46 PM (gWBY1)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:46 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:44 PM (RCjYY)
Richard had them killed. He probably didn't even see them, but they died under his watch.
Owen Tudor was a Welshman. He had nearly no claim to the throne at all.
English history is full of random chance. That's what makes it so interesting to study.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:47 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2026 11:48 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:46 PM (afJtY)
Definitive. When you put yourself above God....
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:49 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2026 11:49 PM (qx7Zg)
I don"t think the de la Poles Henry put to death were children. If any of them were children, I missed it-- which is possible.
I'm not making a case that Henry VIII was a good and decent man. He wasn't. He was, however, not a weak king. Historians I've read say that popular opinion in Henry's time probably favored a national church, over the Pope in Rome. No-one took a public opinion poll, though.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:50 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2026 11:51 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:51 PM (RCjYY)
Peel back but don't remove the leaves. Remove silk while rinsing under running water. (Butter, s & p if desired but not necessary before cooking.) Replace the leaves, trim stalk and maybe the tip if it's sparse, roll up in foil. Place on top rack for about 1/2 hour, more or less, while grilling other delicious foods.
I think the leaves add flavor.
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 11:52 PM (rdVOm)
Recommended read: 'Sarum: The Novel of England'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 01, 2026 11:53 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: JQ at July 01, 2026 11:54 PM (rdVOm)
My DDay uncle got the worst of it. His feet almost froze at the Battle of the Bulge, he got a Purple Heart in Holland for some nasty shrapnel. He died in 1982 and never talked about it. The Greatest Generation was a pretty humble group.
Posted by: TxAnn at July 01, 2026 11:55 PM (SjAWL)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2026 11:55 PM (77rzZ)
During the reign of a great many English monarchs, there were people alive who had a better, more legitimate claim to the crown than the actual King or Queen did.
One would not have wanted to sell life insurance to these folks.
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:56 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:50 PM (RCjYY)
Doubtful, considering the number of martyrs to the Catholic Church who were murdered during his and his children's tenures. I don't think anyone was ready for any "church" that wasn't the Holy Roman Catholic Church they all lived under at the time. The choice Henry made was political and sexual, nothing more. It certainly wasn't religious in any true sense.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:57 PM (bl07w)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2026 11:57 PM (afJtY)
Dude put himself above the Church, and nearly up to God. His legacy is the degeneration that is England today.
But you have to admit that he inspired the timeless classic "I'm Enery the Eighth, I am, I am"
Posted by: Azjaeger at July 01, 2026 11:57 PM (3/XaG)
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2026 11:57 PM (frGWQ)
Posted by: mnw at July 01, 2026 11:58 PM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2026 11:55 PM (77rzZ)
How was More a hypocrite? I'm curious. He was certainly rigid in his beliefs, but I'm not sure what he did that negated them.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 01, 2026 11:59 PM (bl07w)
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But was Wolsey a Man for All Seasons? I think not.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 01, 2026 11:59 PM (u/oMr)
Posted by: Azjaeger at July 01, 2026 11:57 PM (3/XaG)
And when you hear it, you have to dance around the room. Can't be helped.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 02, 2026 12:00 AM (bl07w)
Pre-wound are spendy, and I'd bought a couple of 3-packs when previously in a hurry. Knew that cost was unsustainable, so also purchased a big roll of replacement line. Home-made bit for the spools on the screwgun and a dowel for the big roll... sweet deal!
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:01 AM (rdVOm)
Crossing back into the U.S. we were interrogated for 2 hours.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 10:32 PM (RIvkX)
Try being in Victoria BC. You can literally walk across the harbor from boat to boat and arrive on the other side very far from sober.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 02, 2026 12:02 AM (2WIwB)
Posted by: TxAnn at July 01, 2026 11:55 PM (SjAWL)
Yup. Agree. The Old Breed.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, US Army, 1987 - 1991 at July 02, 2026 12:02 AM (0aYVJ)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not much of a globetrotter at July 01, 2026 11:08 PM (0aYVJ)
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Funny you mention it - they are a customer of mine... I was just at their facility yesterday.
Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at July 02, 2026 12:02 AM (PgZsD)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:04 AM (afJtY)
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It's ironic that More is treated as an avatar of freedom of conscience today. Sure, he stood firm for his own convictions against the onslaught of Henry's lust-driven theology. But as Chancellor, he watched innocent Protestants get burned at the stake at Smithfield for their heretical beliefs and did nothing to intervene.
It's too bad. More was a tremendously talented lawyer and therefore is someone I would like to admire.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:05 AM (u/oMr)
Will Doof turn over Sunday's ONT to the Declaration of Independence, with the fashion section from 1776?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 02, 2026 12:06 AM (qx7Zg)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 01, 2026 11:23 PM (RIvkX
That might be a capital idea. Thank you. And I did go to college about 2 hours east of the world renowned TXMOME. So there’s that.
Posted by: TxAnn at July 02, 2026 12:06 AM (SjAWL)
And hardly anyone has mentioned the fact that King John was outfoxed (heh) by a fox.... and a football playing Hen.
Or so the Disney historical documentaries would suggest, from the tales of Allen O'Dale.
Posted by: SimoHayha at July 02, 2026 12:06 AM (/ZkOF)
I can't argue the matter any further. Who controlled the Tower? And who else had the capability of having the Princes buried in the walls after their murder? No-one else had the opportunity but Richard. No-one else had a motive but Richard, either. As stated, there were like 125 people who had a better claim than Henry Tudor!
Thomas Moore took pride in describing himself as "scourge of heretics." He had dozens of dissenters burned.
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:07 AM (RCjYY)
I should probably stop commenting on this topic at this point, since my militant Protestantism has gotten me banned before.
So, I present a subject that we can all agree on — BOOBS!
Posted by: Bulg at July 02, 2026 12:07 AM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:08 AM (afJtY)
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at July 02, 2026 12:09 AM (+9wcF)
Or is that just something young teenage me made up in a fevered dream?
Posted by: SimoHayha at July 02, 2026 12:09 AM (/ZkOF)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 02, 2026 12:06 AM (qx7Zg)
Woohoo!!!
Corsets and petticoats!
Woot! Woot!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 02, 2026 12:09 AM (2WIwB)
It's too bad. More was a tremendously talented lawyer and therefore is someone I would like to admire.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:05 AM (u/oMr)
Well, that was his job. Protestants may be perfectly acceptable now, but at the time, they were heretics (actually, they still are...), so burning them made perfect sense.
You can judge people by today's standards, but it makes no sense in time.
By those standards, George Washington was horridly evil man because he had slaves. But at the time, it was perfectly normal. We don't like it, but that hardly matters, historically.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 02, 2026 12:10 AM (bl07w)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:10 AM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:10 AM (afJtY)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 02, 2026 12:11 AM (qx7Zg)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 01, 2026 11:59 PM (u/oMr)
Bee Gees even wrote a song about it...
https://youtu.be/HK6d4sMUdrQ
Posted by: Joe Kidd at July 02, 2026 12:11 AM (nbLIj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 02, 2026 12:12 AM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 02, 2026 12:12 AM (XeU6L)
When you are king, you can claim whatever size wedding tackle you choose, I suppose.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 02, 2026 12:13 AM (bl07w)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 02, 2026 12:14 AM (yEz+x)
https://x.com/hmcrem/status/
2072372759749857714?s=46
We escaped there during Covid and no one masked up. We joked it was the "town covid forgot." It was a great trip.
Posted by: LizLem at July 01, 2026 11:46 PM (gWBY1)
Those 2 are a riot. I saw a lot of their vids. They're the most non American citizen Americans I ever saw. Trump really needs an exchange program, or something that fast tracks Americans stuck in brit bodies.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 02, 2026 12:14 AM (snZF9)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:14 AM (RCjYY)
Posted by: tcn
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It looked preposterous.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 02, 2026 12:14 AM (XeU6L)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:10 AM (RCjYY)
You should try misspelling Les...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at July 02, 2026 12:15 AM (nbLIj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 02, 2026 12:12 AM (XeU6L)
I think I saw a set of his armor at the MET. He was a frigging runt.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 02, 2026 12:15 AM (snZF9)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 02, 2026 12:14 AM (yEz+x)
Yummmm!!!!
With triskits and a chilled pinot gris.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 02, 2026 12:15 AM (2WIwB)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 02, 2026 12:17 AM (c35xG)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:14 AM (RCjYY)
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The Pope Joan episode really traumatized the conclave, I guess.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:18 AM (u/oMr)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:18 AM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Bulg at July 02, 2026 12:18 AM (77rzZ)
Posted by: tcn
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It looked preposterous.
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To be fair, they didn't have messenger bags back then, and he needed somewhere to keep his lunch.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:19 AM (u/oMr)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 02, 2026 12:19 AM (mPXxA)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:20 AM (afJtY)
Posted by: Ben Had
And WE MADE IT! In spite of O'dumbass & co.
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:22 AM (rdVOm)
Update on my mother. They did the procedure around noon to put in the vein filter to keep any more clots from getting up to the heart and lungs. She did well.
This morning, due to all the blood thinners they had her on, another big hematoma popped up on her left leg. It was incredibly painful -- she said "Gollie bum!". That's about the strongest cussin' she ever does.
It burst in post-op after the procedure, freaking everybody out, but no big deal. And that relieved the pressure.
She was sleeping when we left her this evening.
Posted by: Tunguska Event eyewitness at July 02, 2026 12:23 AM (w6EFb)
Impact sock off!
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 02, 2026 12:23 AM (w6EFb)
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:22 AM (rdVOm)
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It's depressing to think that one monument of the 250th anniversary that is likely to endure in one form or another is the Obama Pestilential Center in Chicago.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:24 AM (u/oMr)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:24 AM (afJtY)
Posted by: Ben Had
And WE MADE IT! In spite of O'dumbass & co.
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:22 AM (rdVOm)
We're still the only country to put men on another planetary body, and bring all of them home alive.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 02, 2026 12:25 AM (qx7Zg)
Hubba hubba:
Posted by: Bulg at July 02, 2026 12:26 AM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:20 AM (afJtY)
Rome was around for 700 years before Caesar crossed the Rubicon. And the west would last 480 more years. If you count Byzantium, add on another 1000.
But when you look at it, we've done some pretty neat stuff in 250.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 02, 2026 12:26 AM (mPXxA)
Bless you, your mom, and Miley. Will keep praying for you all.
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:27 AM (rdVOm)
If interested, read some of the eyewitness accounts there. They're quite fascinating. Heat pulse followed by shock wave, just like a big nuke.
Had that thing come in a few minutes to and hour earlier, it would've hit Canada/Alaska and perhaps the northern US. Hour later and it would've hit Moscow and maybe Europe.
That thing would've flattened a city. NYC would be toast, for instance. Millions killed instantly.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 02, 2026 12:27 AM (w6EFb)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:27 AM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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So you're not an amphibian?
Posted by: scampydog at July 02, 2026 12:28 AM (41CYW)
Posted by: Tunguska Event eyewitness at July 02, 2026 12:23 AM (w6EFb)
Hope she gets to feeling better, man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 02, 2026 12:28 AM (mPXxA)
Posted by: Cicero
I don't know... I hear the *snobelisk* may have several liens placed against it. Heh. Hope it gets shut down & scrapped.
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:28 AM (rdVOm)
I'll tell you this, she is one tough woman. No question about that.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 02, 2026 12:28 AM (w6EFb)
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We're also the only nation on Earth that commissioned 19 new fleet carriers in three years in the Pacific while simultaneously fighting an all-out war in Europe. No other country has ever come close to achieving output like that.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:29 AM (u/oMr)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:30 AM (afJtY)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:31 AM (RCjYY)
Posted by: Ben Had
Our wheelz gots SPINNERZ!
'Merica! Fk Yeah!
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:31 AM (rdVOm)
When we got back to the house, on the wall near the front door, there was a big fat ugly horse fly. We hates them.
I was trying to figure out how to goosh it, thinking I might try a high kick, or something other than my hand. Suddenly, Daisy sees it, leaps up, and and devours it.
What a good dog. I think she deserves a treat.
Posted by: mindful webworker regulates the local gene pool at July 02, 2026 12:32 AM (FL3q9)
That thing came in at 20 km/s or better. From some of those eyewitness accounts who say the "streak" it was blue, showing just hot hot it was. Peak temperature, well, we're talking 30,000F.
Surface temp right at the epicenter likely hit 3000F.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 02, 2026 12:33 AM (w6EFb)
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He did have the elderly Margaret de la Pole chased around Tower Hill by an executioner swinging a hatchet in a horrific bloody scene for no other reason than that her son Michael de la Pole was currently beyond his reach.
That's pretty monstrous.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:33 AM (u/oMr)
So you're going into battle, surrounded by numerous physically-fit, hot, sweaty men, and your armor needs erection space?
Not sending the message you think you're sending.
Posted by: mikeski at July 02, 2026 12:34 AM (VHUov)
Posted by: mindful webworker
Good girl! Got to love a doggeh what eats de nasty flying thingz... Our girl ate wasps. Yay!
*sends treats*
Posted by: JQ at July 02, 2026 12:34 AM (rdVOm)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 02, 2026 12:35 AM (mPXxA)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 02, 2026 12:35 AM (u/oMr)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:37 AM (afJtY)
The youth of America are now being taught that the Greatest Generation were the oppressors of the world and not their savior.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at July 02, 2026 12:37 AM (ibDUx)
Posted by: mnw at July 02, 2026 12:39 AM (RCjYY)
Another interesting thing I didn't know. For several nights after the impact, there was a very bright night sky glow over Europe and Asia. Icy material, as from a comet fragment sort of suspended high above would do this.
The pressure wave from that blast went around the globe at least twice, famously detected by sensitive barographs in Washington, DC.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at July 02, 2026 12:40 AM (w6EFb)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 02, 2026 12:40 AM (afJtY)
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