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Gun Thread: Final June Edition!
FUNdamentals I will begrudgingly admit that gun cleaning is a sort-of fundamental. For a long time I was a "clean it after every range session" kind of guy, but have since been cured of that affliction. OK, I am a little bit kidding. Truth is, firearms will keep working as advertised with a fair amount of neglect, so my range guns don't typically see a lot of regular deep cleaning, but I do make sure they're properly lubricated. The exceptions are my carry guns, which I keep pretty clean. Anyhoo, do you clean your firearms after every trip to the range? I think for many that's just part of the fun of shooting and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. Regardless of frequency, you do need cleaning stuff and there are a bunch of products available. Do they all work the same and are they worth the money? Let's find out.
S&W Model 52 I am pretty certain I need one of these.
.950 Caliber A muzzle brake? Seriously? Have we become a nation of girly-men?
.22LR Revolvers Our pal Hickok45 takes a look.
Protection Against Atomic Attack!
Our Pal The American Farmer
Highway Patrol! This week's episode: Dan Hostage!
Creature With The Atom Brain!
Cigar Central Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar. Cigarsinternational.com
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Nicks Cigar World New! A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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Here!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:00 PM (jkyX4)
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Darn you, RMBS,
*shakes fist*
*shakes fist*
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:01 PM (jkyX4)
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Hey everyone!
Posted by: Lurking in Garland at June 28, 2026 07:01 PM (j9Bn5)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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Greetings!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM (g5tO/)
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I drink gin and vermouth just like....uh... me.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 28, 2026 06:16 PM
*buffs nails on shirt*
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 28, 2026 06:16 PM
*buffs nails on shirt*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special June-is-fleeting greeting to our host Weasel!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM (xVpNO)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM (Ia/+0)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM (Wnv9h)
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When I went to Army Infantry training in 1975 we had to crouch down in a concrete hole and let a tank run over us, it was just like that hole in the atomic attack video.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM (0N4FZ)
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See, I type two more letters than he, and it costs me a first.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:04 PM (jkyX4)
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Good evening. I pretty much only shoot target rifles. They get cleaned between 150 and 200 rounds. Which is documented in the round count logs I keep.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at June 28, 2026 07:05 PM (t5Z/c)
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Good evening to everyone. Making plans for shooting next weekend.
In the meantime, have a great week everyone and thank you to Weasel.
In the meantime, have a great week everyone and thank you to Weasel.
Posted by: Coelacanth at June 28, 2026 07:05 PM (6dH/9)
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Hello, Weasel! I clean after every range trip thanks to the Big Green Machine and Sergeant Major Barton in ROTC.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 07:06 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at June 28, 2026 07:09 PM (sAmhv)
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.950 caliber?
Work on your fundamentals AND fell three or four pine trees with every trigger pull.
What's not to like about that gun and ammo!
Work on your fundamentals AND fell three or four pine trees with every trigger pull.
What's not to like about that gun and ammo!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 28, 2026 07:11 PM (HlyYF)
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I pretty much only clean when the working parts of the gun remind me of the surface of a gas station* restroom sink. I sincerely believe that more barrels have been ruined by over-cleaning than by under-cleaning.
* Bucc-ee's excepted, of course. None of my guns are "fabulous."
* Bucc-ee's excepted, of course. None of my guns are "fabulous."
Posted by: Oddbob at June 28, 2026 07:12 PM (vTZFs)
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IMPORTANT AND MANDATORY GUN THREAD STYLE GUIDE UPDATE
Our host and mentor, Weasel issued a pronouncement in a comment on a Thread earlier this week, which is now being codified in the Gun Thread Style Guide.
A miss* will no longer be referred to as a "miss".
Henceforth, it is to be referred to as an "unplanned lateral excursion".
Please update your Style Guides accordingly.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
* While most of us aren't Weasel, and don't consider dropping the fourth shot of an otherwise admirable five-shot group into the 7-ring a miss, we do sometimes have shots end up in other-that-desired locations, up to, and including, a longitudinal wall of a large livestock shelter facility.
It doesn't matter. All such deviations are to be referred to as "unplanned lateral excursions.
IMPORTANT AND MANDATORY GUN THREAD STYLE GUIDE UPDATE
Our host and mentor, Weasel issued a pronouncement in a comment on a Thread earlier this week, which is now being codified in the Gun Thread Style Guide.
A miss* will no longer be referred to as a "miss".
Henceforth, it is to be referred to as an "unplanned lateral excursion".
Please update your Style Guides accordingly.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
* While most of us aren't Weasel, and don't consider dropping the fourth shot of an otherwise admirable five-shot group into the 7-ring a miss, we do sometimes have shots end up in other-that-desired locations, up to, and including, a longitudinal wall of a large livestock shelter facility.
It doesn't matter. All such deviations are to be referred to as "unplanned lateral excursions.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2026 07:12 PM (0sNs1)
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2 Here!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:00 PM (jkyX4)
3 Darn you, RMBS,
*shakes fist*
12 See, I type two more letters than he, and it costs me a first.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:04 PM
An unplanned temporal excursion.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:00 PM (jkyX4)
3 Darn you, RMBS,
*shakes fist*
12 See, I type two more letters than he, and it costs me a first.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:04 PM
An unplanned temporal excursion.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2026 07:16 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 07:17 PM (/IR4F)
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Range report for this week:
I made my gun range down in the 100-year floodplain so I would still have a nice natural earth backstop with plenty of room for error by new shooters.
Our creek went about 13' over normal elevation during the flood last weekend.
I anchored my nice pistol bench to the ground. My rifle bench was just leveled on slightly higher ground, but not anchored.
Ground is still not dry enough to drive in, but I fear I may have lost my rifle bench and my pistol bench will be damaged.
God certainly has excellent aim when HE targets a location for training thunder storms!
I made my gun range down in the 100-year floodplain so I would still have a nice natural earth backstop with plenty of room for error by new shooters.
Our creek went about 13' over normal elevation during the flood last weekend.
I anchored my nice pistol bench to the ground. My rifle bench was just leveled on slightly higher ground, but not anchored.
Ground is still not dry enough to drive in, but I fear I may have lost my rifle bench and my pistol bench will be damaged.
God certainly has excellent aim when HE targets a location for training thunder storms!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 28, 2026 07:19 PM (HlyYF)
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Shot mixed bag of reloads yesterday in our silhouette match with expected results. Had fun but didn't score well. But that's fine as I got rid of ammo I thought questionable.
13 for 20, far cry from the 18 I shot a while back.
13 for 20, far cry from the 18 I shot a while back.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at June 28, 2026 07:20 PM (51aVQ)
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I learned to clean every time because I used to shoot surplus military ammo and I dislike rust.
I went shooting last week. I bought an Ortgies in .32, and discovered that the recoil and striker springs were shot (not unusual for a 100 year old automatic) so I ordered a set from Wolff Gunsprings ( gunsprings.com) via a friend who has an account. Once I got them in, I switched out the recoil and striker springs, and we went on a trip to the range.
The Ortgies is a snappy little .32 that can be quite accurate! It was dead on at the 25 yard range, and I got all the shots on the target frame at 50 yards, and 5 on the paper plate sized target
I also took the 9 mm Star BM out, since I had to replace a broken barrel swivel (Spanish steel again) and I had to do a function test; once again it astounded me by being as accurate as ever.
I went shooting last week. I bought an Ortgies in .32, and discovered that the recoil and striker springs were shot (not unusual for a 100 year old automatic) so I ordered a set from Wolff Gunsprings ( gunsprings.com) via a friend who has an account. Once I got them in, I switched out the recoil and striker springs, and we went on a trip to the range.
The Ortgies is a snappy little .32 that can be quite accurate! It was dead on at the 25 yard range, and I got all the shots on the target frame at 50 yards, and 5 on the paper plate sized target
I also took the 9 mm Star BM out, since I had to replace a broken barrel swivel (Spanish steel again) and I had to do a function test; once again it astounded me by being as accurate as ever.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 28, 2026 07:21 PM (rbvCR)
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Part combo build Sig Sauer P365 ready for plinking in the woods tomorrow.
Unrelated: John Bolton deserves time, plea agreement be damned.
Part combo build Sig Sauer P365 ready for plinking in the woods tomorrow.
Unrelated: John Bolton deserves time, plea agreement be damned.
Posted by: Auspex at June 28, 2026 07:24 PM (Y8DZL)
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Good CLP video. I use the Break Free CLP most of the time. Will try the Clenzoil.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:24 PM (jkyX4)
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After watching a Langdon Tactical video on how to field strip and clean a Beretta PX 4, I've become a fan of the Lucas Oil Extreme Duty line of firearm solvents and lubricants.
A little dab 'll do ya.
A little dab 'll do ya.
Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2026 07:25 PM (rj6Yv)
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Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!
Productive day at the range today. Not a lot of other patrons.
I focused today on sight lines on gub stability. I need glasses to see the iron sights clearly, but my glasses make the target look like an amorphous blob. I've been trying without the glasses on the logic that I like seeing what I'm aiming at and a self-defense situation likely won't allow time to put on glasses.
Success! Put many well grouped holes in or near the center of the paper. Declared victory and went home.
Productive day at the range today. Not a lot of other patrons.
I focused today on sight lines on gub stability. I need glasses to see the iron sights clearly, but my glasses make the target look like an amorphous blob. I've been trying without the glasses on the logic that I like seeing what I'm aiming at and a self-defense situation likely won't allow time to put on glasses.
Success! Put many well grouped holes in or near the center of the paper. Declared victory and went home.
Posted by: TRex - equal height, equal light dino at June 28, 2026 07:26 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Good CLP video. I use the Break Free CLP most of the time. Will try the Clenzoil.
My biggest problem with CLP is finding one in a container that doesn't leak.
My biggest problem with CLP is finding one in a container that doesn't leak.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 28, 2026 07:28 PM (vTZFs)
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Mosins: every time, as I use Soviet-bloc surplus ammo.
M1 Garands: slipping a bit, used to be every session - bore, that is - plan to resume that. Full disassembly only annually to preserve lock-up with the stocks.
M1 carbines: snake bore at least every time.
Revolvers (centerfire): if lead bullets, every time.
Semi pistols: every few sessions.
Semi rifles/pistols, always check lubrication.
Wipe down metal on everything every time I handle them.
M1 Garands: slipping a bit, used to be every session - bore, that is - plan to resume that. Full disassembly only annually to preserve lock-up with the stocks.
M1 carbines: snake bore at least every time.
Revolvers (centerfire): if lead bullets, every time.
Semi pistols: every few sessions.
Semi rifles/pistols, always check lubrication.
Wipe down metal on everything every time I handle them.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:31 PM (SJWZc)
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firsticle
Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2026 07:31 PM (LHPAg)
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Good evening all, and thanks for the thread Weasel.
Looking forward to looking at the CLP video. We usually clean between 200-300 rounds.
Range report: Not practicing weekly adversely impacts results, so that is being rectified. Started off weak (hope that is still the correct term) today, but pulled it together for a stronger mid and final sessions. Worded on trigger pull and my nemesis flinching, with good results. One would think they would be burned into my brain by now.
Looking forward to looking at the CLP video. We usually clean between 200-300 rounds.
Range report: Not practicing weekly adversely impacts results, so that is being rectified. Started off weak (hope that is still the correct term) today, but pulled it together for a stronger mid and final sessions. Worded on trigger pull and my nemesis flinching, with good results. One would think they would be burned into my brain by now.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Greetings!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM
Scoob!
You have a serious MA doppelganger. I was at the bank yesterday and I looked up to see a guy who, in partial profile, looked exactly like you. Same build, same hair..everything. Weird.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2026 07:03 PM
Scoob!
You have a serious MA doppelganger. I was at the bank yesterday and I looked up to see a guy who, in partial profile, looked exactly like you. Same build, same hair..everything. Weird.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 07:34 PM (Wnv9h)
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Maybe the last fully armed WWII aircraft. P-40 with all her teeth...
https://youtu.be/NEUO3myf55Y?is=pHymruZJiRWeXYdj
https://youtu.be/NEUO3myf55Y?is=pHymruZJiRWeXYdj
Posted by: tRusty Hudson at June 28, 2026 07:35 PM (ZfTMG)
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Range report:
Been shooting mostly .22 from the Ruger Mark IV. I’m focused on trigger pull. Straight back. No flinch. Fast. Slow. Medium. Got pretty ok. Shot mostly at 10-15 yards where a flinch is amplified.
Shot the Dan Wesson Patriot today. 1911 in .45.
Seven yards. Most shots went through the same hole. Trigger pull has improved.
Been shooting mostly .22 from the Ruger Mark IV. I’m focused on trigger pull. Straight back. No flinch. Fast. Slow. Medium. Got pretty ok. Shot mostly at 10-15 yards where a flinch is amplified.
Shot the Dan Wesson Patriot today. 1911 in .45.
Seven yards. Most shots went through the same hole. Trigger pull has improved.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 28, 2026 07:35 PM (yEz+x)
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Just came into possession of 2 Model 18s. A -3 and a -4. Not a big rimfire guy but hope to practice with them as it’s good revolver training.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:35 PM (SJWZc)
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Has anyone shot a S and W 52? Wondering if it has any advantage over the 38 Masterpiece revolver for competition. Maybe the 52's trigger was easier to use than the DA trigger on the revolver, although my K-38 has about the best DA trigger I've ever used.
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2026 07:36 PM (yTvNw)
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Thanks Weasel - 'nother thanks on the CLP video. Been wondering lately if I should try other products; will give Break Free and Clenzoil a try.
Posted by: Patches at June 28, 2026 07:37 PM (338iJ)
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Part combo build Sig Sauer P365 ready for plinking in the woods tomorrow.
Posted by: Auspex at June 28, 2026 07:24 PM (Y8DZL)
The SIG P365 is great for building your "perfect" carry gun. Mine is a 3.8 inch barrel and slide on the short standard grip. A "365L" so to speak.
When I'm in a Free state, I can put in a 12 round magazine with a grip extension and turn it into an XL size. When I go to a Slave state, I put in a ten round magazine.
Posted by: Auspex at June 28, 2026 07:24 PM (Y8DZL)
The SIG P365 is great for building your "perfect" carry gun. Mine is a 3.8 inch barrel and slide on the short standard grip. A "365L" so to speak.
When I'm in a Free state, I can put in a 12 round magazine with a grip extension and turn it into an XL size. When I go to a Slave state, I put in a ten round magazine.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 28, 2026 07:37 PM (ntqEh)
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I don’t clean guns very often. Maybe every several hundred rounds.
But when I do clean them, it’s as thorough as I can handle by myself.
But when I do clean them, it’s as thorough as I can handle by myself.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 28, 2026 07:37 PM (yEz+x)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 28, 2026 07:39 PM (fKauK)
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 07:42 PM (levDv)
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New Dr Felton video today on each country rifles, production cost and what would be today.
Of course M-1 is top cost.
Of course M-1 is top cost.
Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2026 07:42 PM (Ia/+0)
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I have a large spray can and a small bottle of CLP. The spray can is for things that need a larger amount of lubrication like an AR bolt and bolt carrier. The small bottle is for applying small drops on things that need only a little CLP like slide rails on a semi auto pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 07:42 PM (BCwQW)
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Also just added an H&K P7/M8 to the stable. Look forward to learning its peculiar operation.
Anyone know if the P7s have any ammo quirks, like short chamber ledes or anything? Typically only shoot my own reloads, which are now 124g (think the manual recos this bullet weight).
Anyone know if the P7s have any ammo quirks, like short chamber ledes or anything? Typically only shoot my own reloads, which are now 124g (think the manual recos this bullet weight).
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:43 PM (SJWZc)
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I am posting from the free state of Florida.
Here's a thing. Because I work in a Federal facility my carry habit is a bit rusty. As we were about to hit the road I pulled out my EDC (P365XL) and checked to make sure the dot was good. It was not. The Romeo Zero is a remove to replace battery item and we were about to hit the road so I grabbed my backup EDC which is a Kel-tec PF9. It is less rounds and a less good shooter but that thing about the gun you have. It IS however smaller and lighter and ultimately more concealable.
Here's a thing. Because I work in a Federal facility my carry habit is a bit rusty. As we were about to hit the road I pulled out my EDC (P365XL) and checked to make sure the dot was good. It was not. The Romeo Zero is a remove to replace battery item and we were about to hit the road so I grabbed my backup EDC which is a Kel-tec PF9. It is less rounds and a less good shooter but that thing about the gun you have. It IS however smaller and lighter and ultimately more concealable.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 28, 2026 07:44 PM (fKauK)
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Also just added an H&K P7/M8 to the stable. Look forward to learning its peculiar operation.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:43 PM
Now comes the quest for magazines!
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:43 PM
Now comes the quest for magazines!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2026 07:45 PM (0sNs1)
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What’s burning Weasel? Finishing a Karen Berger Ixtelli on the porch. Not sure worth reviewing but pleasant enough.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:46 PM (SJWZc)
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New Dr Felton video today on each country rifles, production cost and what would be today.
Of course M-1 is top cost.
Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2026 07:42 PM (Ia/+0)
US Army Ordinance was always a proponent of old school gunsmithing when it came to its service rifles. Eugene Stoner's AR-15/M-16, designed in part to speed production by using plastic and aircraft grade aluminum instead of furniture grade walnut wood and steel, fell into disfavor with US Army Ordinance for this (and other) reasons.
Of course M-1 is top cost.
Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2026 07:42 PM (Ia/+0)
US Army Ordinance was always a proponent of old school gunsmithing when it came to its service rifles. Eugene Stoner's AR-15/M-16, designed in part to speed production by using plastic and aircraft grade aluminum instead of furniture grade walnut wood and steel, fell into disfavor with US Army Ordinance for this (and other) reasons.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 07:47 PM (BCwQW)
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Duncan, actually fortunate in that respect - pistol came with 8 mags. Neither mags nor pistol have seen much use.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:48 PM (SJWZc)
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CLP: All my AR-15s get Magpul grips with the storage compartment and a Magpul oil bottle filled with whatever brand of CLP I have handy.
Yes, I know your homemade blend of 30-weight motor oil (used and strained through a bandana) and kerosene only costs you 15 cents per gallon to make, and you've been using it ever since you were in the Parachute Ski Marines. Good for you.
Yes, I know your homemade blend of 30-weight motor oil (used and strained through a bandana) and kerosene only costs you 15 cents per gallon to make, and you've been using it ever since you were in the Parachute Ski Marines. Good for you.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 28, 2026 07:49 PM (ntqEh)
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No range time though I have seen some promising locations in and around Dallas and Fort Worth on my visit to the area to see Rush. I may have to bring the guns next time I am here.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 07:49 PM (gumUy)
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What’s burning Weasel? Finishing a Karen Berger Ixtelli on the porch. Not sure worth reviewing but pleasant enough.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:46 PM (SJWZc)
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I seem to be stuck on the Brick House maduros lately!
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:46 PM (SJWZc)
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I seem to be stuck on the Brick House maduros lately!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 07:52 PM (Q9ilg)
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Anyone know if the P7s have any ammo quirks, like short chamber ledes or anything? Typically only shoot my own reloads, which are now 124g (think the manual recos this bullet weight).
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:43 PM (SJWZc)
The P7 was designed as a NATO standard service pistol, so it should work best with 9mm NATO standard loadings. These are a bit hotter than US 9mm commercial loads.. My P7 PSP has worked well with most commerical loadings. But I've also been told that you should NOT use unjacketed lead bullets because 1) the polygonal rifling can shave lead from the bullet and 2) that lead can clog the gas port that's required to be open in order for the P7 series pistol to operate properly.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:43 PM (SJWZc)
The P7 was designed as a NATO standard service pistol, so it should work best with 9mm NATO standard loadings. These are a bit hotter than US 9mm commercial loads.. My P7 PSP has worked well with most commerical loadings. But I've also been told that you should NOT use unjacketed lead bullets because 1) the polygonal rifling can shave lead from the bullet and 2) that lead can clog the gas port that's required to be open in order for the P7 series pistol to operate properly.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 07:53 PM (BCwQW)
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The Felton video about World War Eleven rifle costs says the M1 Garand would have cost $666 in 2026 dollars.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 28, 2026 07:56 PM (ntqEh)
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I seem to be stuck on the Brick House maduros lately!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 07:52 PM
Those were pretty good smokes.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 07:52 PM
Those were pretty good smokes.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 07:56 PM (Wnv9h)
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What frosts me is that every time I hit the road, the question comes up if I should take my guns with me or not. I decided I was going onto federal property so therefore, no guns.
I get to the base I was going to visit and for the first time, ever, I find that I could not go on base with a civilian in my vehicle. So I was turned away at the gate. Had I known that would be an issue I would have taken my guns. Bah.
I get to the base I was going to visit and for the first time, ever, I find that I could not go on base with a civilian in my vehicle. So I was turned away at the gate. Had I known that would be an issue I would have taken my guns. Bah.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 07:57 PM (gumUy)
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Virginia gun laws are the usual mess. People are trying to beat the rush for July 1 deadline on "assault firearms." Virginia State Police are delaying required background checks. So, you know, back the blue or something.
The two assault firearms bills - one on sale, manufacture, transfer etc along with mags >15 rounds as well as the carry on or about one's person in any place open to the public are currently enjoined but apparently the restraint is only against the Virgnia State Police enforcing it. The court order is until December 31 or until a higher court overturns it.
Makes things...murky.
Meanwhile, the law making possession, maufacture, etc. of unserialized firearms a felony remains in place but takes effect July 1, 2027.
The two assault firearms bills - one on sale, manufacture, transfer etc along with mags >15 rounds as well as the carry on or about one's person in any place open to the public are currently enjoined but apparently the restraint is only against the Virgnia State Police enforcing it. The court order is until December 31 or until a higher court overturns it.
Makes things...murky.
Meanwhile, the law making possession, maufacture, etc. of unserialized firearms a felony remains in place but takes effect July 1, 2027.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 28, 2026 07:57 PM (fKauK)
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Weasel the Brick House maduro is a good place to be stuck. One of my early faves.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 07:58 PM (U/Byj)
60
CLP: All my AR-15s get Magpul grips with the storage compartment and a Magpul oil bottle filled with whatever brand of CLP I have handy.
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Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 28, 2026 07:49 PM (ntqEh)
Good reminder. I know various of my rifles have storage, but I’ll be darned if I remember which have something in them.
I’m afraid I might find M&Ms.
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Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 28, 2026 07:49 PM (ntqEh)
Good reminder. I know various of my rifles have storage, but I’ll be darned if I remember which have something in them.
I’m afraid I might find M&Ms.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 07:58 PM (E9nGU)
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Thanks Ed L - for some reason I figured you might have knowledge to put to me.
Fortunately I only use jacketed/plated 9mm - and must do a few extra push-ups because I didn't even know the P7 has polygonal rifling. Dang.
I'll have to see if my current standard 9mm load works well.
Fortunately I only use jacketed/plated 9mm - and must do a few extra push-ups because I didn't even know the P7 has polygonal rifling. Dang.
I'll have to see if my current standard 9mm load works well.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:00 PM (U/Byj)
62
I get to the base I was going to visit and for the first time, ever, I find that I could not go on base with a civilian in my vehicle. So I was turned away at the gate. Had I known that would be an issue I would have taken my guns. Bah.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 07:57 PM (gumUy)
If you're going to a military base (not on official business), you usually need a sponsor on base to get you on the installation. Some bases will allow you to fill out paperwork at the visitor center so they can run a background check on you and your passengers, especially if there are things on base that people might want to see (museums, etc.). Others won't let you on base if you don't have official business there. It all depends on the individual base commanders and the tenant commands there.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 07:57 PM (gumUy)
If you're going to a military base (not on official business), you usually need a sponsor on base to get you on the installation. Some bases will allow you to fill out paperwork at the visitor center so they can run a background check on you and your passengers, especially if there are things on base that people might want to see (museums, etc.). Others won't let you on base if you don't have official business there. It all depends on the individual base commanders and the tenant commands there.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:02 PM (BCwQW)
63
That .950 is pure ass American. Monster trucks, Motorcycle Jumping and the .950.
That was awesome.
That was awesome.
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2026 08:02 PM (04gcy)
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Good Hickok 45 vid on .22 pistols, Weasel.
I think people should do a lot of .22 shooting.
Not only for fundamentals, but because it is fundamentally fun!
I think people should do a lot of .22 shooting.
Not only for fundamentals, but because it is fundamentally fun!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:05 PM (E9nGU)
65
If you're going to a military base (not on official business), you usually need a sponsor on base to get you on the installation. Some bases will allow you to fill out paperwork at the visitor center so they can run a background check on you and your passengers, especially if there are things on base that people might want to see (museums, etc.). Others won't let you on base if you don't have official business there. It all depends on the individual base commanders and the tenant commands there.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:02 PM (BCwQW)
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They keep not letting me into Area 51.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:02 PM (BCwQW)
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They keep not letting me into Area 51.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:05 PM (GSBVY)
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I have an ask. Would you please contact bluebell for Grammie 's address and send a card to a dear lady that, although she doesn't carry a .45, has been a huge part of this community.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:06 PM (afJtY)
67
Earlier today I put ' oil all the guns in the safe' on my to do list.
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (04gcy)
68
1954 on the farm, that was my life. It was a great life.
Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (LHPAg)
69
Cleaning of said target rifles: Wipe-out, as advised by Weasel, followed by Bore Tech Eliminator. Nylon brushes, naturally.
I tend to be wary of carbon build up.
I tend to be wary of carbon build up.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (UJMvS)
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I think people should do a lot of .22 shooting.
Not only for fundamentals, but because it is fundamentally fun!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:05 PM
And if you really want to get your fundamentals humbled, spend some time with a recoilless match air rifle.
Not only for fundamentals, but because it is fundamentally fun!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:05 PM
And if you really want to get your fundamentals humbled, spend some time with a recoilless match air rifle.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)
71
No range time but I did touch a GAU-8 attached to an A-10 today, after listening to a concert of patriotic music while seated with a F-80 Shooting Star on my left and a SR-71 Blackbird flanked by a U-2 on my right.
Posted by: fd at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (MWfyi)
72
Ohhh M&Ms! Now I am craving those...thanks Red!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
73
I seem to be stuck on the Brick House maduros lately!"
A good smoke. Broke into the other humidor and had a Ghurka Assassin... from about 15 years ago. Fantastic smoke, it was. Still have a couple more...
A good smoke. Broke into the other humidor and had a Ghurka Assassin... from about 15 years ago. Fantastic smoke, it was. Still have a couple more...
Posted by: man at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (XuXeR)
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (GSBVY)
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Think I saw that the feds just closed access to some (distant) high vantage point that is the best for observing Area 51. Friend is involved with development projects in NV and several of the plots of fed land involved had "Area X" designations.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:08 PM (U/Byj)
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They keep not letting me into Area 51.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:05 PM (GSBVY)
They tell me the same thing at Suitland (home of Naval Intelligence), the Naval Research Lab, and Thurmont (aka Camp David).
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:05 PM (GSBVY)
They tell me the same thing at Suitland (home of Naval Intelligence), the Naval Research Lab, and Thurmont (aka Camp David).
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:10 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:10 PM (E9nGU)
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Ohhh M&Ms! Now I am craving those...thanks Red!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
We did go over storage space in the AR 15 platform, right?
p.s. my self-imposed island exile is coming to a close. Back on the range later this week.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
We did go over storage space in the AR 15 platform, right?
p.s. my self-imposed island exile is coming to a close. Back on the range later this week.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:13 PM (E9nGU)
79
Did you know Glock made an AR-15 but only available to military and police. The GR 115.
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2026 08:14 PM (04gcy)
80
Guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 28, 2026 08:15 PM (xcxpd)
81
I clean my 9mm after every range trip. I generally use my 45 each trip too, but I hate chasing the spring down from some unknown, and always changing corner or the shop. So it gets the special treatment only after every other use.
The 12ga semi-auto gets cleaned each time, but it’s easy. Inertia-cycled model, rather than gas operated, so it’s very basic.
My mini 14 never gets used, so just an annual oil job with no disassembly.
I love the Hoppes #19(?). Works good, and like the smell.
Gunscrubber strips the everything off everywhere, so I don’t use it.
Speaking of gun cleaning, I am, and have had a few JR Cigar Cohiba clones today. Absolutely my favorite, everyday cigar.
Oh, wait. That might have been a tangential comment. Sorry.
The 12ga semi-auto gets cleaned each time, but it’s easy. Inertia-cycled model, rather than gas operated, so it’s very basic.
My mini 14 never gets used, so just an annual oil job with no disassembly.
I love the Hoppes #19(?). Works good, and like the smell.
Gunscrubber strips the everything off everywhere, so I don’t use it.
Speaking of gun cleaning, I am, and have had a few JR Cigar Cohiba clones today. Absolutely my favorite, everyday cigar.
Oh, wait. That might have been a tangential comment. Sorry.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 28, 2026 08:15 PM (Mxkwh)
82
Hi
I'm here. Have nothing to report sadly. Maybe next week. Anybody have any "fireworks" planned for the fourth?
I'm here. Have nothing to report sadly. Maybe next week. Anybody have any "fireworks" planned for the fourth?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (kJmSS)
83
RI Red, for those that have very limited range time an air rifle does make for building muscle memory and target acquisition that can be done in a back yard.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (afJtY)
84
We did go over storage space in the AR 15 platform, right?
Posted by: RI Red
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Negative. But you had me at M&Ms.....
Posted by: RI Red
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Negative. But you had me at M&Ms.....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
85
I have a friend who as a contractor flew over Area 51 in a B-1.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 28, 2026 08:18 PM (fKauK)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 28, 2026 08:18 PM (yEz+x)
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 28, 2026 08:18 PM (/4R5g)
88
Another range day yesterday, with Bubba Fly and my G44. So a very Glock day and I'm ok with that.
The G17 I have is heavily bubba-fied with a Romeo One optic, custom stippling and a double undercut. All that means is: optic means old eyes can put holes in paper, stippling means the Gen 3 Glock isn't slippery, the double undercut means no Glock Knuckle and I can shoot it all day.
I may replace the trigger shoe at some point. Anyway, I shoot it well, had a pretty good Dot Torture drill, just a few strings low left and that's due to me forcing the break.
The G44 is for relaxation after the drills and it's fun. I would love to burn more 9mm but honestly, I'm poor now and I can't afford to put 200 rounds of 9mm downrange anymore. So I'm filling in the relaxation portion of my range visits with .22lr. And that is good.
Anyway, I've continued to be happy with Glocks. I shoot them well and if the ammo doesn't poop the bed, then it runs like a truck. A good truck, not a GMC POS.
The G17 I have is heavily bubba-fied with a Romeo One optic, custom stippling and a double undercut. All that means is: optic means old eyes can put holes in paper, stippling means the Gen 3 Glock isn't slippery, the double undercut means no Glock Knuckle and I can shoot it all day.
I may replace the trigger shoe at some point. Anyway, I shoot it well, had a pretty good Dot Torture drill, just a few strings low left and that's due to me forcing the break.
The G44 is for relaxation after the drills and it's fun. I would love to burn more 9mm but honestly, I'm poor now and I can't afford to put 200 rounds of 9mm downrange anymore. So I'm filling in the relaxation portion of my range visits with .22lr. And that is good.
Anyway, I've continued to be happy with Glocks. I shoot them well and if the ammo doesn't poop the bed, then it runs like a truck. A good truck, not a GMC POS.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 28, 2026 08:19 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:19 PM (GSBVY)
90
If you're going to a military base (not on official business), you usually need a sponsor on base to get you on the installation. Some bases will allow you to fill out paperwork at the visitor center so they can run a background check on you and your passengers, especially if there are things on base that people might want to see (museums, etc.). Others won't let you on base if you don't have official business there. It all depends on the individual base commanders and the tenant commands there.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:02 PM (BCwQW)
My retiree’s card should have been enough and would have been had I not had a civilian passenger. First time in my lifetime of entering military facilities as a dependent, AD or retired that ever happened. Oh well.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:02 PM (BCwQW)
My retiree’s card should have been enough and would have been had I not had a civilian passenger. First time in my lifetime of entering military facilities as a dependent, AD or retired that ever happened. Oh well.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (gumUy)
91
87 S&W model 52
Hey! I have one of those!
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 28, 2026 08:18 PM (/4R5g)
I almost bought one, kinda wish I had but...I have too man guns that don't get enough love.
Hey! I have one of those!
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 28, 2026 08:18 PM (/4R5g)
I almost bought one, kinda wish I had but...I have too man guns that don't get enough love.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (xcxpd)
92
Still don't understand Glock not making their own PCC. It's like leaving millions of dollars on the table.
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (04gcy)
93
RMBS, uptwinkles on the recoilless rifle!
Oh.
Air rifle.
Never mind.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:10 PM
*Spock eyebrow*
Oh.
Air rifle.
Never mind.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:10 PM
*Spock eyebrow*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (Wnv9h)
94
Negative. But you had me at M&Ms.....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
The old school commercial Colt AR-15A2 and military M-16A2s had fixed buttstocks with a storage compartment for a cleaning kit that more often than not was used to stash M&Ms or Skittles during rifle range qualifications or training exercises.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
The old school commercial Colt AR-15A2 and military M-16A2s had fixed buttstocks with a storage compartment for a cleaning kit that more often than not was used to stash M&Ms or Skittles during rifle range qualifications or training exercises.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:21 PM (BCwQW)
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RI Red, for those that have very limited range time an air rifle does make for building muscle memory and target acquisition that can be done in a back yard.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (afJtY)
For sure. I remember Jr.’s first gun purchase with his own money: Kittery Trading Post in Maine - great store. Break action air powered pellet gun. He learned a lot of fundamentals.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:16 PM (afJtY)
For sure. I remember Jr.’s first gun purchase with his own money: Kittery Trading Post in Maine - great store. Break action air powered pellet gun. He learned a lot of fundamentals.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:22 PM (E9nGU)
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:23 PM (GSBVY)
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The model 52 has the sweetest trigger ever. I rarely shoot it because it's so special, and last time out the 1 mag I have didn't want to cycle properly. Last time I checked mags were hard to find and spendy.
I'm commenting from the Rush concert so when they take the stage I will disappear.
Weasel if y'all want pics & notes about my 52 I'll be glad to send sometime
I'm commenting from the Rush concert so when they take the stage I will disappear.
Weasel if y'all want pics & notes about my 52 I'll be glad to send sometime
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 28, 2026 08:23 PM (/4R5g)
98
Among the items I passed on recently were a Model 57 and 2 Taurus .41 mags. I know there's a .41 mag cult, but I decided not to join it. Caliber creep has been successfully resisted for years, can't go wobbly now. Plus I have no specific use for .41 mag. If I spent time in the bush in Alaska I would.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:24 PM (U/Byj)
99
My retiree’s card should have been enough and would have been had I not had a civilian passenger. First time in my lifetime of entering military facilities as a dependent, AD or retired that ever happened. Oh well.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (gumUy)
A lot of bases have tightened up security with the recent unpleasantness going on in the Middle East.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (gumUy)
A lot of bases have tightened up security with the recent unpleasantness going on in the Middle East.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:25 PM (BCwQW)
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Hi Nurse
Was thinking about you last week and remembering that I met you for the first time at my first MoMe in NoVa.
I haven't found a rifle yet but I did get the Henry catalog this week. They make a lot of different models. lol
Saw your comment about the Ruger MarkIV. I think that was the first pistol JesseinDC had me shoot. I am not enjoying my Glock22 even though i love the 9s. Maybe need a Buckmark or a Ruger. Hmmm
Was thinking about you last week and remembering that I met you for the first time at my first MoMe in NoVa.
I haven't found a rifle yet but I did get the Henry catalog this week. They make a lot of different models. lol
Saw your comment about the Ruger MarkIV. I think that was the first pistol JesseinDC had me shoot. I am not enjoying my Glock22 even though i love the 9s. Maybe need a Buckmark or a Ruger. Hmmm
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 08:25 PM (kJmSS)
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I'm commenting from the Rush concert so when they take the stage I will disappear.
Weasel if y'all want pics & notes about my 52 I'll be glad to send sometime
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 28, 2026 08:23 PM (/4R5g)
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Enjoy! Anika has been tearing it up. So cool.
Sure! No rush, but happy to feature it.
Weasel if y'all want pics & notes about my 52 I'll be glad to send sometime
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 28, 2026 08:23 PM (/4R5g)
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Enjoy! Anika has been tearing it up. So cool.
Sure! No rush, but happy to feature it.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:25 PM (GSBVY)
102
I mentioned a week or two ago I scored a High Standard Sentinel .22 revolver. I've always liked them. A lot of thought went into the design, with much attention to getting the forcing cone right. A 250 round session this week proved it. Extremely accurate, producing half dollar size groups at about 20 yards (off a rest of course). I was doing most shooting left handed due to the cane and didn't have bad aches and pains in the hands after the session even with the heavy DA trigger. I'm now on look out for one of the Snubbies with the birds head grip for EDC (yeah, I know, .22). You have to make allowances when the arthritis gets bad.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 28, 2026 08:26 PM (gm9Sb)
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35 Range report:
Been shooting mostly .22 from the Ruger Mark IV. I’m focused on trigger pull. Straight back. No flinch. Fast. Slow. Medium. Got pretty ok. Shot mostly at 10-15 yards where a flinch is amplified.
Shot the Dan Wesson Patriot today. 1911 in .45.
Seven yards. Most shots went through the same hole. Trigger pull has improved.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 28, 2026 07:35 PM (yEz+x)
Do not mess with the Nurse if she has a 1911 of any kind. She is good with them.
Been shooting mostly .22 from the Ruger Mark IV. I’m focused on trigger pull. Straight back. No flinch. Fast. Slow. Medium. Got pretty ok. Shot mostly at 10-15 yards where a flinch is amplified.
Shot the Dan Wesson Patriot today. 1911 in .45.
Seven yards. Most shots went through the same hole. Trigger pull has improved.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 28, 2026 07:35 PM (yEz+x)
Do not mess with the Nurse if she has a 1911 of any kind. She is good with them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 28, 2026 08:27 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:28 PM (GSBVY)
105
Weasel is a funny guy.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:29 PM (afJtY)
106
92 Still don't understand Glock not making their own PCC. It's like leaving millions of dollars on the table.
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (04gcy)
Yeah, never understood what Glock does or why since Gaston stopped driving development.
Posted by: polynikes at June 28, 2026 08:20 PM (04gcy)
Yeah, never understood what Glock does or why since Gaston stopped driving development.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 28, 2026 08:29 PM (xcxpd)
107
Just checked and the range has a Ruger Mark IV for rent.
They only hve one Henry, the Homesteader and I'm not sure how close it is to the one I have been looking at. Now that I have the catalog I should be able to check the specs. This process has become more difficult because the last three gun shows have been canceled due to VA's ridiculous new laws.
They only hve one Henry, the Homesteader and I'm not sure how close it is to the one I have been looking at. Now that I have the catalog I should be able to check the specs. This process has become more difficult because the last three gun shows have been canceled due to VA's ridiculous new laws.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 08:31 PM (kJmSS)
108
Weasel is a funny guy.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:29 PM
Funny how? Funny like he's a clown? Like he amuses you? Funny how, how is he funny?
- Tommy DeVito
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:29 PM
Funny how? Funny like he's a clown? Like he amuses you? Funny how, how is he funny?
- Tommy DeVito
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2026 08:31 PM (Wnv9h)
109
Weasel is a funny guy.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:29 PM (afJtY)
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Humor is but one of my many charms.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:29 PM (afJtY)
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Humor is but one of my many charms.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:31 PM (GSBVY)
110
Yeah, never understood what Glock does or why since Gaston stopped driving development.
Being dead probably has something to do with it.
Being dead probably has something to do with it.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 28, 2026 08:31 PM (vTZFs)
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Another acquisition was a little Walther TPH 22LR semi. Actually tested it a bit last duty day. First mag (loaded to 5, not 6, rounds) worked perfectly. Every time after that (with a few ammo types) had FTF/FTE issues.
Plan to get a spread of different 22 brands and systematically test/take notes, so I'll know which ammo works. 22 semis are sure finicky, but seems there's always one flavor of ammo they like.
Plan to get a spread of different 22 brands and systematically test/take notes, so I'll know which ammo works. 22 semis are sure finicky, but seems there's always one flavor of ammo they like.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:33 PM (U/Byj)
112
Sharon, what are you looking for in your next Gub purchase?
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:33 PM (E9nGU)
113
Weasel, let's say that you are always on target for a bit of levity.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:34 PM (afJtY)
114
I always liked the CCI 22lr copper over the lead nose. Not a big price difference.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 08:36 PM (kJmSS)
115
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:34 PM (afJtY)
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I don't completely understand it, but after 25 years, WeaselWoman evidently doesn't think I'm as funny as I used to be.
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I don't completely understand it, but after 25 years, WeaselWoman evidently doesn't think I'm as funny as I used to be.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 08:36 PM (GSBVY)
116
De-lurking for this - Seriously you Mooks... fully armed P-40 Warhawk : https://youtu.be/NEUO3myf55Y?is=pHymruZJiRWeXY0
Not the best fighter, but my favorite. And it started the 'shark-teeth' which counts for a lot.
Not the best fighter, but my favorite. And it started the 'shark-teeth' which counts for a lot.
Posted by: tRusty Hudson at June 28, 2026 08:37 PM (ZfTMG)
117
Weasel, let's say that you are always on target for a bit of levity.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:34 PM (afJtY)
I’m calling unplanned laughable excursion.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2026 08:34 PM (afJtY)
I’m calling unplanned laughable excursion.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 08:38 PM (jkyX4)
118
Sister surprisingly asked me to help her daughter get gunned up. Their family has some gun background, father had revolvers they used to plink with when camping at the Colorado River. Sister noted my niece does some truck camping and other stuff on her own, and said she'd like her to have some self-defense capacity.
Coming from a resident of a tony coastal enclave, it was surprising (despite the family's recreational gun background). Part of the recent gun intake is a 3-inch Ruger SP101 (with a CrimsonTrace grip that works), so I'm going to see if that fits the niece. I did warn my sister that I will insist on (and pay for) some training, and also that if the revolver doesn't fit her, I'll help her find one that does.
We'll see.
Coming from a resident of a tony coastal enclave, it was surprising (despite the family's recreational gun background). Part of the recent gun intake is a 3-inch Ruger SP101 (with a CrimsonTrace grip that works), so I'm going to see if that fits the niece. I did warn my sister that I will insist on (and pay for) some training, and also that if the revolver doesn't fit her, I'll help her find one that does.
We'll see.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:39 PM (U/Byj)
119
The Red Air Force made good use of the 200+ P-40s we gave them via Lend-Lease. Kiwis also did well with them in the South Pacific.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:42 PM (U/Byj)
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98 ... "Among the items I passed on recently were a Model 57 and 2 Taurus .41 mags. I know there's a .41 mag cult, but I decided not to join it. Caliber creep has been successfully resisted for years"
I understand and empathize about caliber creep. Been fighting it for years along with adding ANOTHER gun in a caliber I already have. But I would have been severely tempted by an N frame Smith 57 or the Taurus. (I've had good luck with Taurus revolvers.) In the end I would have resisted and just stayed with my 41 magnum Blackhawk which does everything I need for the caliber.
This being an adult isn't easy.
I understand and empathize about caliber creep. Been fighting it for years along with adding ANOTHER gun in a caliber I already have. But I would have been severely tempted by an N frame Smith 57 or the Taurus. (I've had good luck with Taurus revolvers.) In the end I would have resisted and just stayed with my 41 magnum Blackhawk which does everything I need for the caliber.
This being an adult isn't easy.
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2026 08:42 PM (yTvNw)
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I've been contemplatinig buying a rifle. I like the look of the Henry Supreme lever action because it takes a mag and has been recommended by NRA Women so seemed like it would be suitable. It will aslo take a sight and I've beome pretty addicted to that option. Problem is that with the gun shows canceled, have not been able to handle one and because of the disaster the Rossi was, a little gun shy. (-:
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 08:43 PM (kJmSS)
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JTB the previous owner of the 57 and Tauri had practical use for the caliber as his preferred back-up handgun in Alaska. He liked the Taurus Trackers too (he had 2 of them). He reloaded .41 mag as his oil wells had declining production in recent years and he couldn't afford factory.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:45 PM (U/Byj)
123
Sid…
I am not enjoying my Glock22 even though i love the 9s. Maybe need a Buckmark or a Ruger. Hmmm.
I went to buy a 9. I handled a Glock, and then a Springfield. Instant preference. The Springfield.
I just can’t handle the cant on the Glocks.
The 9 actually helped me shoot my 45 better.
Had a thing against “plastic” guns.
Thought they’d be top-heavy after a few rounds.
I was wrong…perfectly comfy.
I am not enjoying my Glock22 even though i love the 9s. Maybe need a Buckmark or a Ruger. Hmmm.
I went to buy a 9. I handled a Glock, and then a Springfield. Instant preference. The Springfield.
I just can’t handle the cant on the Glocks.
The 9 actually helped me shoot my 45 better.
Had a thing against “plastic” guns.
Thought they’d be top-heavy after a few rounds.
I was wrong…perfectly comfy.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 28, 2026 08:45 PM (Mxkwh)
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Not the best fighter, but my favorite. And it started the 'shark-teeth' which counts for a lot.
Posted by: tRusty Hudson at June 28, 2026 08:37 PM (ZfTMG)
Technically, no. The AVG/Flying Tigers copied the now famous shark's jaw from RAF 112 Squadron (flying P-40s in North Africa), who in turn copied it from the Luftwaffe's ZG 76, who flew the Bf 110 against the RAF in the Battle of Britain. That said, the "shark's teeth" look a lot better on a P-40 than the Bf 110.
Posted by: tRusty Hudson at June 28, 2026 08:37 PM (ZfTMG)
Technically, no. The AVG/Flying Tigers copied the now famous shark's jaw from RAF 112 Squadron (flying P-40s in North Africa), who in turn copied it from the Luftwaffe's ZG 76, who flew the Bf 110 against the RAF in the Battle of Britain. That said, the "shark's teeth" look a lot better on a P-40 than the Bf 110.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:46 PM (BCwQW)
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Believe the Springfield XDs have a grip angle similar to a 1911. That's what sold me when I first did the semi 9mm selection process. Love my XD9.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:47 PM (U/Byj)
126
Have an XD subcompact. 3” barrel.
Can’t recommend it enough.
Can’t recommend it enough.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 28, 2026 08:48 PM (Mxkwh)
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XD is my favorite Croatian-designed possession.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:49 PM (U/Byj)
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I don't clean my firearms every time I decide to go plinking, unless I come across some real shit ammo. It doesn't hurt to let them break in on their own. It's the art of steel.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 28, 2026 08:50 PM (fkjGs)
129
Ten days ago, I was watching an episode of Star Trek Enterprise on Heroes and Icons at about 11:45PM, when I heard somebody trying to key the lock on my front door. It being a house built in 1954, the attempt to defeat the lock worked. However it was not the lock that held my door shut, the foundation to the house is cracked and the door was jammed shut. I heard the burglar throwing himself at my door, so I limped over to my desk and retrieved my carry pistol. He kicked his way through the door and I saw the light from his flashlight searching my living room. I quietly sneaked up on him to about 6 feet away, and announced my presence by bellowing at him "GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT". While I couldn't see my sights there is no way I was going to miss that shot, and he knew it. I'm sorry to say I didn't fire at him. However I didn't want the Houston PD treating me like a murder suspect. I already experienced that when my 96 year old mother died of natural causes.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 28, 2026 08:51 PM (Da7Vv)
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125 Believe the Springfield XDs have a grip angle similar to a 1911. That's what sold me when I first did the semi 9mm selection process. Love my XD9.
Posted by: rhomboid
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They do. As a result, they tend to fit smaller hands better as do 1911's. Springfield is also one of the few companies still selling CA compliant variations such as optics ready XDs (Mod 3 and 4) which both somehow pass the approved roster for CA still.
Posted by: rhomboid
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They do. As a result, they tend to fit smaller hands better as do 1911's. Springfield is also one of the few companies still selling CA compliant variations such as optics ready XDs (Mod 3 and 4) which both somehow pass the approved roster for CA still.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 08:53 PM (E4rtv)
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I think you either love or hate Glocks. I really like my G48. It fits my hand perfectly, no recoil worries and with the Holosun green dot I shoot it really well. Nothing feels as comfortable in my hand except for a 1911. It has made teh search for a carry gun complicated because nothing smaller that I have tried works as well except for KimberCDs9. Maybe.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 08:54 PM (kJmSS)
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We'll see.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:39 PM (U/Byj)
If you have any in your neighborhood, would you consider police trade in revolvers? I still see S&W Model 19s, 64s, 15s, and an occasional Colt revolver (Official Police, Trooper) pop up from time to time at gun shows or in the display cases of a local LGS. They're significantly cheaper than new if you can find one that hasn't been abused. I think .38 Special is a good cartridge to start with before trying .357 Magnum.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:39 PM (U/Byj)
If you have any in your neighborhood, would you consider police trade in revolvers? I still see S&W Model 19s, 64s, 15s, and an occasional Colt revolver (Official Police, Trooper) pop up from time to time at gun shows or in the display cases of a local LGS. They're significantly cheaper than new if you can find one that hasn't been abused. I think .38 Special is a good cartridge to start with before trying .357 Magnum.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 08:54 PM (BCwQW)
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126 Have an XD subcompact. 3” barrel.
Can’t recommend it enough.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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The XDS is a single stack version which allows several mags with sleeve adaptors up to 9 +1 in the chamber. The Hellcat is based on the XDS design scaled up slightly to handle double stack mags and thus greater capacity.
Can’t recommend it enough.
Posted by: Gunslinger
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The XDS is a single stack version which allows several mags with sleeve adaptors up to 9 +1 in the chamber. The Hellcat is based on the XDS design scaled up slightly to handle double stack mags and thus greater capacity.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 08:54 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Oddbob at June 28, 2026 08:55 PM (vTZFs)
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Ed L, there are such older revolvers around, but private-sale only, as all of them are "off-roster" here. The Ruger is fairly compact, but of course pretty robust/heavy. But this is not a carry gun. More of a "travel gun". So, not unsuitable, if it "fits" her and she likes it (and will practice with it). Finding one of those other revolvers would be a process, and probably without any gain.
I'll advise her to forget 357mag, as there's no reason for her to consider it. Plenty of good standard pressure self-defense 38sp loads around today.
With the CrimsonTrace it's a nice set-up. Shot it with iron sights last duty day, as expected the mass nicely absorbs a lot of the recoil energy. If she likes it, it will check all the boxes.
I'll advise her to forget 357mag, as there's no reason for her to consider it. Plenty of good standard pressure self-defense 38sp loads around today.
With the CrimsonTrace it's a nice set-up. Shot it with iron sights last duty day, as expected the mass nicely absorbs a lot of the recoil energy. If she likes it, it will check all the boxes.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:01 PM (U/Byj)
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Coming from a resident of a tony coastal enclave, it was surprising (despite the family's recreational gun background). Part of the recent gun intake is a 3-inch Ruger SP101 (with a CrimsonTrace grip that works), so I'm going to see if that fits the niece. I did warn my sister that I will insist on (and pay for) some training, and also that if the revolver doesn't fit her, I'll help her find one that does.
We'll see.
Posted by: rhomboid
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That revolver is heavy enough to minimize recoil and damn near bombproof like its big brother GP-100. That being said, there are also still some Ruger Speed Six (fixed sights) and Security Six (adjustable) in 2.5 inch barrels floating around. Those and what Ed L mentioned in Smiths are good starter firearms.
Neither of these are appropriate for used Smith K or J frames but fine with Rugers.
If you can find it, the old Treasury Load of 38+p+ (a 110 gr hollow point screaming along at about 1250-1300 fps) is a good midpoint between the 38+p and a 357 mag without the blast and recoil in a heavy revolver like the SP101.
Corbon's Pow'rBall in 100 gr is another lighter 357 on recoil but does have some muzzle blast. 1400-1500 fps.
We'll see.
Posted by: rhomboid
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That revolver is heavy enough to minimize recoil and damn near bombproof like its big brother GP-100. That being said, there are also still some Ruger Speed Six (fixed sights) and Security Six (adjustable) in 2.5 inch barrels floating around. Those and what Ed L mentioned in Smiths are good starter firearms.
Neither of these are appropriate for used Smith K or J frames but fine with Rugers.
If you can find it, the old Treasury Load of 38+p+ (a 110 gr hollow point screaming along at about 1250-1300 fps) is a good midpoint between the 38+p and a 357 mag without the blast and recoil in a heavy revolver like the SP101.
Corbon's Pow'rBall in 100 gr is another lighter 357 on recoil but does have some muzzle blast. 1400-1500 fps.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 09:01 PM (E4rtv)
137
Of course as I have a bunch of 357mag Gold Dot sitting around, I'll have her shoot at least a cylinder of it to see what she thinks.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:02 PM (U/Byj)
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131 I think you either love or hate Glocks. I really like my G48. It fits my hand perfectly, no recoil worries and with the Holosun green dot I shoot it really well. Nothing feels as comfortable in my hand except for a 1911. It has made teh search for a carry gun complicated because nothing smaller that I have tried works as well except for KimberCDs9. Maybe.
Posted by: Sharon
The full size Glocks are a poor fit for my hands, the compacts are okay if a bit thick. I simply prefer XDs or M&Ps in plastic fantastics.
Posted by: Sharon
The full size Glocks are a poor fit for my hands, the compacts are okay if a bit thick. I simply prefer XDs or M&Ps in plastic fantastics.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 09:02 PM (E4rtv)
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I know there's a .41 mag cult
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:24 PM
Do you have any contact information?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 08:24 PM
Do you have any contact information?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2026 09:03 PM (0sNs1)
140
Love/hate of Glocks. I am...indifferent.
swa's G48s I can shoot well. Hrothgar had a G19x that we just could not shoot consistently. Not sure the deal with that pistol.
But I have a Palmetto State Dagger that is G19 sized and I can shoot that. For whatever reason I like the ergos on it better than a real Glock.
swa's G48s I can shoot well. Hrothgar had a G19x that we just could not shoot consistently. Not sure the deal with that pistol.
But I have a Palmetto State Dagger that is G19 sized and I can shoot that. For whatever reason I like the ergos on it better than a real Glock.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 28, 2026 09:05 PM (fKauK)
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137 Of course as I have a bunch of 357mag Gold Dot sitting around, I'll have her shoot at least a cylinder of it to see what she thinks.
Posted by: rhomboid
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The blast will be more objectionable probably than the recoil in a SP101. 4 inch + barrels are better for full house magnum rounds in my opinion. Magnum blast is particularly obnoxious for indoor ranges--porting shares the pain with shooters in adjacent stalls.
Posted by: rhomboid
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The blast will be more objectionable probably than the recoil in a SP101. 4 inch + barrels are better for full house magnum rounds in my opinion. Magnum blast is particularly obnoxious for indoor ranges--porting shares the pain with shooters in adjacent stalls.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
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122 ... "the previous owner of the 57 and Tauri had practical use for the caliber as his preferred back-up handgun in Alaska. He liked the Taurus Trackers too (he had 2 of them). He reloaded .41 mag as his oil wells had declining production in recent years and he couldn't afford factory"
rhomboid, From what I've read, those are good choices for Alaska. I was shocked at the cost of commercial 41 mags last time I checked. If he has the brass the cost of reloads will be about half. If he went with gas checked hard cast bullets, powder coated or using liquid Alox, the cost comes down more and would still be effective for protection.
rhomboid, From what I've read, those are good choices for Alaska. I was shocked at the cost of commercial 41 mags last time I checked. If he has the brass the cost of reloads will be about half. If he went with gas checked hard cast bullets, powder coated or using liquid Alox, the cost comes down more and would still be effective for protection.
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2026 09:05 PM (yTvNw)
143
I'm trying to remember who brought up cap guns recently. I saw them available for online ordering from Woodman's Stores, an grocery chain headquartered in Janesville, WI.
They look like chinesium products, but they still exist.
They look like chinesium products, but they still exist.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 28, 2026 09:08 PM (qx7Zg)
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Plan to get a spread of different 22 brands and systematically test/take notes, so I'll know which ammo works. 22 semis are sure finicky, but seems there's always one flavor of ammo they like.
Posted by: rhomboid
There are at least two different chamber specs for 22 LR because it has been around so long. Sig Mosquitos developed a really bad rep because with American ammo, they tended to jam. IIRC, one chamber is a sport chamber which is looser but Euros tend toward teh match chamber which doesn't like low end blaster ammo. Get some SK or Eley ammo and try those.
Posted by: rhomboid
There are at least two different chamber specs for 22 LR because it has been around so long. Sig Mosquitos developed a really bad rep because with American ammo, they tended to jam. IIRC, one chamber is a sport chamber which is looser but Euros tend toward teh match chamber which doesn't like low end blaster ammo. Get some SK or Eley ammo and try those.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 09:09 PM (E4rtv)
145
Sharon, why not a nice little AR 15 carbine? Grateful can now tell you all about them.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 09:10 PM (jkyX4)
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whig I forgot, this SP101 is in fact Magna-ported. But as I said I will advise against 357mag as a choice since there's simply no need, aside from the unpleasant effects.
Also picked up a Model 66 no-dash - also ported - which looks little-used. Curious to see how the porting affects things. I plan to shoot it alongside my 66-2 for comparison.
Also picked up a Model 66 no-dash - also ported - which looks little-used. Curious to see how the porting affects things. I plan to shoot it alongside my 66-2 for comparison.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:11 PM (U/Byj)
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Sharon, why not a nice little AR 15 carbine? Grateful can now tell you all about them.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 09:10 PM (jkyX4)
ARs are frowned upon in the People's Republic of Maryland (and the entire DMV in a couple of days).
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 09:10 PM (jkyX4)
ARs are frowned upon in the People's Republic of Maryland (and the entire DMV in a couple of days).
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 09:11 PM (BCwQW)
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JTB this owner had lots of reloading components, lots. Not sure he shot the 57 or Tauri a lot, but they were definitely his bush back-up choice.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:11 PM (U/Byj)
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Evening, Weasel, and Gun Thread folks! Watched the Hickock 45 video. Concur. I have an old H&R 9-shot double-action .22 that is a barrel of fun to shoot. To reload, you withdraw the cylinder pivot pin, let the cylinder fall out, and use the pin to push spent cartridges from the chambers. Once one is used to it, it goes very quickly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 28, 2026 09:12 PM (1z8ji)
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Also picked up a Model 66 no-dash - also ported - which looks little-used. Curious to see how the porting affects things. I plan to shoot it alongside my 66-2 for comparison.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:11 PM (U/Byj)
If done right, porting does help keep recoil down. I picked up a new-ish Colt Kodiak with a 4" ported barrel in .44 Magnum. The ports (three on each side of the barrel) do make a difference, especially when firing full power .44 Magnum rounds.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:11 PM (U/Byj)
If done right, porting does help keep recoil down. I picked up a new-ish Colt Kodiak with a 4" ported barrel in .44 Magnum. The ports (three on each side of the barrel) do make a difference, especially when firing full power .44 Magnum rounds.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 09:13 PM (BCwQW)
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ARs are frowned upon in the People's Republic of Maryland (and the entire DMV in a couple of days).
Of course. A Ruger Mini-14 maybe? Although I imagine the folding stock* version is also haram.
* Fun fact: the Ruger model number for the stock by itself is A-TM.
Of course. A Ruger Mini-14 maybe? Although I imagine the folding stock* version is also haram.
* Fun fact: the Ruger model number for the stock by itself is A-TM.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 28, 2026 09:16 PM (vTZFs)
152
Ed L (and whig), how in the wide wide world of sports do those semi-auto rifle restrictions survive, legally speaking? Just the process issue (i.e., gross 2A violations take years to redress, if you're lucky, while all sorts of court-decrees get enforced instantly and with full force - see almost any made-up "civil rights" issue, etc)?
Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:17 PM (U/Byj)
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What Ed said. Living in MD limits things.
Good night all.
Happy 4th of July. Celebrate the 250th!
Thanks Weasel for giving us a place to get together every week.
Good night all.
Happy 4th of July. Celebrate the 250th!
Thanks Weasel for giving us a place to get together every week.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 28, 2026 09:17 PM (kJmSS)
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I'm now on look out for one of the Snubbies with the birds head grip for EDC (yeah, I know, .22). You have to make allowances when the arthritis gets bad.
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I have a High Standard snubbie. Sometimes you can find the nickel plated ones for less which is what this one was. Have another longer barrel Sentinel that I recently restored a bit as I got a decent deal because the outside needed some work.
But, never ever take it apart. I know some local gunsmiths that have a few disassembled that even they have not been able to reassemble. Extensive use of pins and a solid frame make it like building a ship in a bottle. The gun designer, Harry H. Sefried that did the Sentinel later went to Ruger and designed quite a few guns for them. He refined his Sentinel design into the Security and Speed revolver series for Ruger later. Which is why Rugers had solid frames versus the Smiths and Colts that it competed with. Seyfried came up with a trigger unit that was removable en bloc rather than the problems with the Sentinel disassembly and reassembly.
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I have a High Standard snubbie. Sometimes you can find the nickel plated ones for less which is what this one was. Have another longer barrel Sentinel that I recently restored a bit as I got a decent deal because the outside needed some work.
But, never ever take it apart. I know some local gunsmiths that have a few disassembled that even they have not been able to reassemble. Extensive use of pins and a solid frame make it like building a ship in a bottle. The gun designer, Harry H. Sefried that did the Sentinel later went to Ruger and designed quite a few guns for them. He refined his Sentinel design into the Security and Speed revolver series for Ruger later. Which is why Rugers had solid frames versus the Smiths and Colts that it competed with. Seyfried came up with a trigger unit that was removable en bloc rather than the problems with the Sentinel disassembly and reassembly.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 09:19 PM (E4rtv)
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OK all y'all. 9:20 thank you time.
Thank you!
Hope to see you next Sunday! Thanks for being here.
Thank you!
Hope to see you next Sunday! Thanks for being here.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2026 09:20 PM (EAGdb)
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152 Ed L (and whig), how in the wide wide world of sports do those semi-auto rifle restrictions survive, legally speaking? Just the process issue (i.e., gross 2A violations take years to redress, if you're lucky, while all sorts of court-decrees get enforced instantly and with full force - see almost any made-up "civil rights" issue, etc)?
Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Posted by: rhomboid
Judges are rarely gun guys and Scotus justices almost never. And they have a built in dislike from their jobs as they see criminal appeals (or criminals before them if a trial judge) all the time, often using firearms to commit their crimes.
There is a reason why the NRA Legal affairs preferred to work on legislators than risk court battles all those years.
Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Posted by: rhomboid
Judges are rarely gun guys and Scotus justices almost never. And they have a built in dislike from their jobs as they see criminal appeals (or criminals before them if a trial judge) all the time, often using firearms to commit their crimes.
There is a reason why the NRA Legal affairs preferred to work on legislators than risk court battles all those years.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2026 09:21 PM (E4rtv)
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152 Ed L (and whig), how in the wide wide world of sports do those semi-auto rifle restrictions survive, legally speaking? Just the process issue (i.e., gross 2A violations take years to redress, if you're lucky, while all sorts of court-decrees get enforced instantly and with full force - see almost any made-up "civil rights" issue, etc)?
Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:17 PM (U/Byj)
Because the Left hates us and they don't actually care what the law says.
As for the recommendation on Mini-14 it will fall afoul of the VA "assault firearms" definition.
Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:17 PM (U/Byj)
Because the Left hates us and they don't actually care what the law says.
As for the recommendation on Mini-14 it will fall afoul of the VA "assault firearms" definition.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 28, 2026 09:21 PM (fKauK)
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Thanks to you, Weasel-san.
And there are cigar reviews in your future. Just haven't had a chance to try many new sticks last few weeks (with travel).
And there are cigar reviews in your future. Just haven't had a chance to try many new sticks last few weeks (with travel).
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:21 PM (U/Byj)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 09:22 PM (BCwQW)
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Or I'm just imagining the language in Heller?
Aloha, haole!
More seriously, unless and until SCOTUS takes an "assault weapon" case and makes it so clear that even a judge can't mistake it, the circuit court rulings are going to be anti-gun because states in (generally speaking) pro-gun circuits don't pass those stupid laws to get challenged.
Aloha, haole!
More seriously, unless and until SCOTUS takes an "assault weapon" case and makes it so clear that even a judge can't mistake it, the circuit court rulings are going to be anti-gun because states in (generally speaking) pro-gun circuits don't pass those stupid laws to get challenged.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 28, 2026 09:23 PM (vTZFs)
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Rhomboid, what whig and Blaster said.
Posted by: Ed L at June 28, 2026 09:23 PM (BCwQW)
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Thx, Weasel. Good discussion tonight.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2026 09:25 PM (jkyX4)
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As to AR restrictions: I'm sure any state prohibiting them would refer to the federal prohibition on such weapons - which was never challenged (pre Heller and pre Bruen) - which only expired because of the sunset provision in the law. That gives their lawyers "an argument for Auschwitz" to use in court.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 28, 2026 09:25 PM (Da7Vv)
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Don't want to dive into that rabbit-hole, but I thought that Heller had language directly applicable to "assault weapons" bans and restrictions. Thought Heller was the culmination of a ridiculous prolonged process, not the start of another one?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2026 09:25 PM (U/Byj)
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“Springfield is also one of the few companies still selling CA compliant variations such as optics ready XDs (Mod 3 and 4) which both somehow pass the approved roster for CA still.”
The XDS is a single stack version which allows several mags with sleeve adaptors up to 9 +1 in the chamber.
1) I still can’t figure out what makes a firearm CA compliant, but I think that most, “most!” of it requires a hammerless design. Striker-fired, in other words.
2) when a judge overruled CAs 10 limit magazine, (for 3 days before the appeal), I hit up Springfield for a 15 found mag. They have them for an XD, but was told, “let’s wait to see how this shakes out”.
Bastids!
But Magpull shipped 15,000 (30 rd AR-type mags) to CA in those 3 days.
Idiots.
The XDS is a single stack version which allows several mags with sleeve adaptors up to 9 +1 in the chamber.
1) I still can’t figure out what makes a firearm CA compliant, but I think that most, “most!” of it requires a hammerless design. Striker-fired, in other words.
2) when a judge overruled CAs 10 limit magazine, (for 3 days before the appeal), I hit up Springfield for a 15 found mag. They have them for an XD, but was told, “let’s wait to see how this shakes out”.
Bastids!
But Magpull shipped 15,000 (30 rd AR-type mags) to CA in those 3 days.
Idiots.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 28, 2026 09:26 PM (Mxkwh)
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And these ridiculous laws are a major part of why we are relocating to the free state of TN. This time next year we will have an AR-15, a Savage 110 Elite Precision, and a carry pistol in .45. At least that's my list, who knows what the Dino will want....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 28, 2026 09:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel, belated Howdy back! Also, been re-thinking my revolver shooting approach after talking with you at the Friday mini-meet - need to get to the range and practice!
Posted by: Patches at June 28, 2026 09:28 PM (338iJ)
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The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat