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Gun Thread: Post NoVAMoMe Discussion and Analysis Edition!
FUNdamentals FUNdamentals of MoMe'n that is, with the operative word being FUN! The social event of the season kicked off Friday afternoon with a small group and perfect weather, and by perfect I mean really actually perfect. The Pre-MoMe is a low key affair and among other things we mostly discussed the perfect weather, and enjoyed each other's company without being in full NoVAMoMe mode. The following day was the main event, and to make up for the perfect weather the day before we had, you guessed it, more perfect weather. People arrived at the appointed time, and did the normal MoMe things, which is to say, enjoyed each other's company. We were fortunate to have attracted some new mostly-lurker types who, judging by the smiles, enjoyed themselves thoroughly. It's so nice to watch people meeting and re-acquainting with their online pals. I say this a lot as you all know, but these get-togethers are pretty special, and you are only cheating yourself if you don't make the effort to get to one. I am aware that we have a fair amount of introverts among us, and imagine that's fairly common among online communities, but I cannot overemphasize the low-key nature of these gatherings. You owe it to yourself to give it a try at least once. You can absolutely be a total wallflower and hide and not talk to anyone, or be the life of the party, the choice is yours. There is absolutely zero pressure from anyone, and believe me when I say you will not be the biggest weirdo present. If you missed the NoVAMoMe, fear not. The TXMoMe is right around the corner, October 16-17, in Corsicana, TX. Contact Ben Had for details. A link is always on the main page, left sidebar. Finally, I want to thank my bestest blog buddy bluebell for her continued friendship over all these years. She makes being the nicest person in the world look easy.
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Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2026 07:00 PM (os4kt)
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Hello all!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 07:01 PM (qEb4U)
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I went to the NoVaMoMe in 2024. It was fantastic. And I'm a shut-in who is terrified of crowds.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 21, 2026 07:02 PM (CHHv1)
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Good evening to all an I’m looking forward to reading about the MoMe.
Posted by: Coelacanth at June 21, 2026 07:03 PM (vt7xw)
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:04 PM (afJtY)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 07:05 PM (zC76q)
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Howdy!
Did some shootin' in the last couple of weeks. Went with a friend to his gun club in rural Western PA. It's right behind the middle of nowhere. Didn't get a chance to shoot my S&W FPC (.9mm) but did get extensive work with my .357 revolver. I did ok.
Did some shootin' in the last couple of weeks. Went with a friend to his gun club in rural Western PA. It's right behind the middle of nowhere. Didn't get a chance to shoot my S&W FPC (.9mm) but did get extensive work with my .357 revolver. I did ok.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at June 21, 2026 07:07 PM (sAmhv)
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Practice, practice, practice. And don't comment in all caps like that Obama idiot.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 21, 2026 07:08 PM (OB8ow)
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You can absolutely be a total wallflower and hide and not talk to anyone
Though, you probably won't succeed at the 'not talking to anyone'. Other wallflowers will notice and you will soon be surrounded by them and having an absolute blast.
I'm sorry I had to miss it again this year. I will probably miss Texas, too. It's turning into a very rough year for me. But I can smile, sitting here, remembering all the other times and all the people I've met.
Though, you probably won't succeed at the 'not talking to anyone'. Other wallflowers will notice and you will soon be surrounded by them and having an absolute blast.
I'm sorry I had to miss it again this year. I will probably miss Texas, too. It's turning into a very rough year for me. But I can smile, sitting here, remembering all the other times and all the people I've met.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2026 07:08 PM (kU0PQ)
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This was my first MoMe. It was truly a thrill getting to meet my imaginary friends, put faces to names, and share stories. Bluebell and Weasel are gracious hosts, and made me feel welcome and that they were really glad I came. I regret only that I have missed so many meetups in the past. I hope not to miss any going forward. This is the best group I have been associated with.
Posted by: Buck at June 21, 2026 07:08 PM (z6ONu)
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And I would like to offer a laurel, and hearty handshake, to bluebell and Weasel for putting together yet another great NoVaMoMe.
And thanks to all of you who ventured out and made it the great social event that it is!
And thanks to all of you who ventured out and made it the great social event that it is!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 07:08 PM (zC76q)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 07:09 PM (BCwQW)
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I went to the NoVaMoMe in 2024. It was fantastic. And I'm a shut-in who is terrified of crowds.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 21, 2026 07:02 PM (CHHv1)
And it was fantastic meeting you! I hope you can join more of the events.
Also, crowds isn't a thing with us. We're more of a horde.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 21, 2026 07:02 PM (CHHv1)
And it was fantastic meeting you! I hope you can join more of the events.
Also, crowds isn't a thing with us. We're more of a horde.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2026 07:10 PM (kU0PQ)
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there's talk Richard "Lord British" Garriott is getting Ultima back.
Maybe he can backtrack and make Ultima 8-9 actually good.
Maybe he can backtrack and make Ultima 8-9 actually good.
Posted by: gKWVE at June 21, 2026 07:11 PM (gKWVE)
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People arrived at the appointed time, and did the normal MoMe things
So, the introverts looked at their shoes, and the extroverts looked at your shoes?
So, the introverts looked at their shoes, and the extroverts looked at your shoes?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:11 PM (0sNs1)
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I’m envious of y’all who attended. I’m stuck on my little deserted island, pumping ethyl and selling over-priced groceries.
And my Gubs are way up yonder feeling lonely.
Thx, bluebell and Weasel, in any event. These MoMes keep us together.
And don’t require much bail money.
And my Gubs are way up yonder feeling lonely.
Thx, bluebell and Weasel, in any event. These MoMes keep us together.
And don’t require much bail money.
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2026 07:12 PM (SHg5Q)
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And the 2026 NoVA MoMe is in the books, and it was a very good one. Let me add my thanks to Bluebell and Weasel for hosting this and being such gracious hosts. Weather was perfect for the Horde gathering. Loved meeting new attendees and reconnecting with those who have attended before. It is just such a low key picnic atmosphere, plus good company, food and drinks!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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and believe me when I say you will not be the biggest weirdo present.
Who is the biggest weirdo present?
Asking for a friend.
Who is the biggest weirdo present?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:14 PM (0sNs1)
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Probably me
Posted by: Buck at June 21, 2026 07:16 PM (z6ONu)
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Lest I forget :
A very Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers and grandfathers here
Toughest and most important job
A very Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers and grandfathers here
Toughest and most important job
Posted by: Coelacanth at June 21, 2026 07:18 PM (vt7xw)
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Aw Weasel, you made me cry! We do make a good Moron team, don't we.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:18 PM (afFes)
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Probably me
Posted by: Buck at June 21, 2026 07:16 PM
Even having only been to TxMoMes, I can guarantee that's not the case.
Posted by: Buck at June 21, 2026 07:16 PM
Even having only been to TxMoMes, I can guarantee that's not the case.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:18 PM (0sNs1)
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Buck, I'm so glad you came. And I do hope you come back. Beckoning, I'm waiting and hoping you'll be back again. I'm hoping we didn't scare you away.
It's always nice to meet new friends and always wonderful to see our ol' faithfuls. You guys really are the best! Thank you for making it such a great day.
It's always nice to meet new friends and always wonderful to see our ol' faithfuls. You guys really are the best! Thank you for making it such a great day.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (afFes)
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And for those interested, today we gathered at the range to practice, and also try new things. My goal was to practice trigger pull as taught in NH, and it was successful - but of course requires more work. I was generally grouping shots, perhaps not where I wanted to, but I was grouping them. I also shot my first .45 (thank you Scoob) and was pleasantly surprised by the experience. I imagined the gub to be heavy and recoil significant. I was wrong on both counts.
But today reminded me that I need to get back into the twice a week practice schedule.
But today reminded me that I need to get back into the twice a week practice schedule.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I believe that sewing machine shown in the leisure time video is a Singer #221, aka the Singer Lightweight. Well known to quilters and codependent enablers er, husbands of quilters everywhere. My wife owns as many 221s as I have M1s. That may or may not be a coincidence.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (vTZFs)
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The weirdo is the guy with, you know, that thing.
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (vFG9F)
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Did bluebell do her usual self-defense/enforcing discipline-in-the-yard masterclass?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (0sNs1)
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Featherweight, not Lightweight.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 21, 2026 07:21 PM (vTZFs)
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And yes, happy Father's Day to all you wonderful dads and dad-figures! My kids send Father's Day greetings to our former neighbor who never had kids of his own but always treated my kids like his own. He and his wife are part of the family. They retired and moved away and we miss them.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:22 PM (afFes)
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It's been a while since I attended a NoVaMoMee, although I was at the first 3 (or 4?). If you're lurking and you're concerned you're going to have to put your real name on a name tag, nope. There are a bunch of morons and 'ettes whose real names I still don't know, even though I've met them in person.
As for the meeting in person part, it's fun to put nics to faces, and if you're a regular reader you already have a bit of familiarity with a bunch of them. For some of them, you're like, yup, the persona online is exactly who they are in real life. For me, Berserker was like that (Mrs. Berserker is a great gal too). Hrothgar as well. And seeing AlextheChick get riled up was always fun.
As for the meeting in person part, it's fun to put nics to faces, and if you're a regular reader you already have a bit of familiarity with a bunch of them. For some of them, you're like, yup, the persona online is exactly who they are in real life. For me, Berserker was like that (Mrs. Berserker is a great gal too). Hrothgar as well. And seeing AlextheChick get riled up was always fun.
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 07:22 PM (1ieqq)
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Of note to those of you in Virginia: with 9 days to go until the evil new laws take effect, I was curious how it would be at the range. It was empty. Have no idea if that's because it was beautiful weather and Father's Day, but I'll have a better idea on Friday. On the wall of long guns, more than half had been removed. Same for the general supply walls. And it seemed to me that RSOs were far more on alert on the range than previous.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:23 PM (IQ6Gq)
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28 Did bluebell do her usual self-defense/enforcing discipline-in-the-yard masterclass?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (0sNs1)
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I was too busy doing my usual nagging, making everybody put on a name tag.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:20 PM (0sNs1)
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I was too busy doing my usual nagging, making everybody put on a name tag.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:23 PM (afFes)
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 07:24 PM (GNqmQ)
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Vendette! Wish you could have been there. We miss you. Hope all is well up north.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:24 PM (afFes)
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Of course range time today was followed with by food and beverage at our own MiniMoMe. You know, where 2 or more Morons are gathered, thus is a MoMe. And a great time was had by all.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
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and believe me when I say you will not be the biggest weirdo present.
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The Horde is its own little Island of Misfit Toys. Everywhere else I'm an oddball, but the Horde feels like home.
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The Horde is its own little Island of Misfit Toys. Everywhere else I'm an oddball, but the Horde feels like home.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM (lOlUK)
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Glad everyone had a good time
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 07:29 PM (Ia/+0)
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Everywhere else I'm an oddball
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM
Dunno. You seem pretty normal to me.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM
Dunno. You seem pretty normal to me.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:30 PM (0sNs1)
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Vendette! Wish you could have been there. We miss you. Hope all is well up north.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:24 PM (afFes)
*Waves*
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:24 PM (afFes)
*Waves*
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 07:31 PM (1ieqq)
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Thanks for the Gub, Weasel. Glad to hear about another successful NoVAMoMe.
I've expressed my opinion on the best .357 Mag here before. Can't beat the S&W model 686. Mine has been one of the best purchases I have ever made. Love that gub.
I've expressed my opinion on the best .357 Mag here before. Can't beat the S&W model 686. Mine has been one of the best purchases I have ever made. Love that gub.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 21, 2026 07:33 PM (ceJ0R)
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Your first time to a MoMe is an experience. Your second MoMe is a family reunion.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:34 PM (afJtY)
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Gotta get to the NoVa one of these years. I mean, it's a lot closer to me than TX, and I go there!
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 21, 2026 07:34 PM (h7ZuX)
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The Horde is its own little Island of Misfit Toys. Everywhere else I'm an oddball, but the Horde feels like home.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM
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How many problems are in your crawl space at the moment?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM
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How many problems are in your crawl space at the moment?
Posted by: TRex - subterranian dino at June 21, 2026 07:35 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Yeah, Dash! Get yourself here next year! Collect screaming in digital along the way, assuming she gets her crawl space in order.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 07:36 PM (afFes)
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It was good to see everyone again (if only briefly) yesterday and today. Hope to see you all in TX! Posting for me will be slow tonight because I'm putting stuff away that I brought to the range today.
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 07:38 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:38 PM (lOlUK)
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Your first time to a MoMe is an experience. Your second MoMe is a family reunion.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:34 PM (afJtY)
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This needs to be written down somewhere!
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:34 PM (afJtY)
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This needs to be written down somewhere!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 07:38 PM (GNqmQ)
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Weasel, this came up sometime in the last two weeks, and I don't know if you'd seen this one. It's an electric automatic BB gun.
https://tinyurl.com/4dwu8nt9
I'm not sure how quiet it is, but it could be a pest control device where quiet is necessary.
https://tinyurl.com/4dwu8nt9
I'm not sure how quiet it is, but it could be a pest control device where quiet is necessary.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 07:39 PM (qx7Zg)
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It was an absolutely perfect day. So many hugs and a surprise visit by Salty. Tired me out though so I ended up missing today's fun. When I took my BP this morning and it was 87/65, I thought maybe I shouldn't drive my car. I did manage to get it over 100 later so....
Weasel, you mentioned a kydex holster with a leather lining. What is the company?
Weasel, you mentioned a kydex holster with a leather lining. What is the company?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 07:39 PM (kJmSS)
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Of course range time today was followed with by food and beverage at our own MiniMoMe. You know, where 2 or more Morons are gathered, thus is a MoMe. And a great time was had by all.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM
Yes...a great time was had!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:27 PM
Yes...a great time was had!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 07:39 PM (zC76q)
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Your first time to a MoMe is an experience. Your second MoMe is a family reunion.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:34 PM (afJtY)
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This needs to be written down somewhere!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 07:38 PM
It was comment #42....what more do you people want?!
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:34 PM (afJtY)
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This needs to be written down somewhere!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 07:38 PM
It was comment #42....what more do you people want?!
Posted by: Deep Thought at June 21, 2026 07:41 PM (zC76q)
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Vedder Holsters is offering 20% off, ending tonight.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 07:41 PM (0sNs1)
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Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 07:39 PM (qx7Zg)
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I did see that and bookmarked to go back and review later. Thanks!
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I did see that and bookmarked to go back and review later. Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 07:41 PM (GNqmQ)
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Hit this video on YouTube, and thought some people here would find it interesting.
How Clay Targets Are Made | How It’s Made
https://youtu.be/iamy_3IQ_ng
How Clay Targets Are Made | How It’s Made
https://youtu.be/iamy_3IQ_ng
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 07:43 PM (qx7Zg)
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Your first time to a MoMe is an experience. Your second MoMe is a family reunion.
Posted by: Ben Had
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So true!
Posted by: Ben Had
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So true!
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at June 21, 2026 07:43 PM (ZHOnm)
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Weasel, you mentioned a kydex holster with a leather lining. What is the company?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 07:39 PM (kJmSS)
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Garrett Holsters. The model I like is the Silent Thunder.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 07:39 PM (kJmSS)
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Garrett Holsters. The model I like is the Silent Thunder.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 07:44 PM (GNqmQ)
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SMH, you and ex ex have been my family for a long time now.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:44 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at June 21, 2026 07:45 PM (ZHOnm)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2026 07:47 PM (Cqx++)
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How many problems are in your crawl space at the moment?
Posted by: TRex
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I'm happy to report that as of Thursday I'm now the proud owner of shiny new snake-free ductwork. The crew accidentally disconnected the dehumidifier pump drain line on their way out, though. I discovered it shortly after they left and notified them. But I had to get under there and reconnect it myself because they weren't able to get back the same day and meanwhile, the pump was spraying water all over the crawl space. By some miracle, I did it right!
Not sure if the flooding problem is resolved. Next heavy or prolonged rain will be the test. I am hoping to spend less Leisure Time (to bring it on topic) with a shop vac in the crawl space.
Posted by: TRex
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I'm happy to report that as of Thursday I'm now the proud owner of shiny new snake-free ductwork. The crew accidentally disconnected the dehumidifier pump drain line on their way out, though. I discovered it shortly after they left and notified them. But I had to get under there and reconnect it myself because they weren't able to get back the same day and meanwhile, the pump was spraying water all over the crawl space. By some miracle, I did it right!
Not sure if the flooding problem is resolved. Next heavy or prolonged rain will be the test. I am hoping to spend less Leisure Time (to bring it on topic) with a shop vac in the crawl space.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM (lOlUK)
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Happy Father's Day to Big Mike and we hope Barry gives you the day off....
Posted by: Voices from the Far Side at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM (X7dyz)
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Wow, an appearance by SMH and Vendette, this is a gun thread for the books!
And it was a great event as usual, like visiting with the family you would like to have!
And it was a great event as usual, like visiting with the family you would like to have!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM (hOUT3)
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Wow, an appearance by SMH and Vendette, this is a gun thread for the books!
And it was a great event as usual, like visiting with the family you would like to have!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM (hOUT3)
It isn't a NoVaMoMee without you there!
And it was a great event as usual, like visiting with the family you would like to have!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM (hOUT3)
It isn't a NoVaMoMee without you there!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 07:52 PM (1ieqq)
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Sun still up and my bed time. At leart tomorrow daylight is like 10 seconds less.
Good night everyone
Good night everyone
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 07:52 PM (Ia/+0)
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U.S. Model of 1917
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Hey! I have one of those. Have only fired it once and the empty brass got stuck. I have since had it cleaned by my local range guys but have not had a chance to try shooting it again.
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Hey! I have one of those. Have only fired it once and the empty brass got stuck. I have since had it cleaned by my local range guys but have not had a chance to try shooting it again.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:53 PM (lOlUK)
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Greetings one and all. Hopefully I will attend a MoMe just to say "I was there."
Posted by: NR Pax at June 21, 2026 07:53 PM (/k3in)
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM (hOUT3)
It isn't a NoVaMoMee without you there!
Posted by: Vendette
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Truth
It isn't a NoVaMoMee without you there!
Posted by: Vendette
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Truth
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 07:55 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Wife and I arrived at a TX MOME a few years ago. We wandered into the car port. in the back there was a lot of gunfire. One table was filled with booze. We added our bottle of Colorado whiskey, then kind of meandered a bit. First person we met:
Berserker.
Met Ben Had a little bit later.
Holy cow, that was an experience. Highly recommend.
Berserker.
Met Ben Had a little bit later.
Holy cow, that was an experience. Highly recommend.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, aka Agent Frank at June 21, 2026 07:56 PM (0aYVJ)
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I'm waiting for the t-shirt: "I went to the 2026 NoVaMoMe and all I got was a roving parking lot dust tornado."
Posted by: TRex - merch dino at June 21, 2026 07:57 PM (IQ6Gq)
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It isn't a NoVaMoMee without you there!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 07:52 PM (1ieqq)
So I can count of seeing you there next year, right!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 07:52 PM (1ieqq)
So I can count of seeing you there next year, right!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:58 PM (hOUT3)
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Thanks Weasel. Found it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 07:59 PM (kJmSS)
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Spawn of lin-duh was 7 years old at her first MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 07:59 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:01 PM (GNqmQ)
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Congrats SiD. It always feels especially righteous when you manage to figure something out one your own.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 08:01 PM (kJmSS)
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There was some talk a month or so ago about building a deLisle carbine - the silenced .45 ACP carbine built on an SMLE No. 1 action.
They are making them new now, and they are selling the barrel and magazine kits.
The down side is that the silenced carbine is about $6,000, though the barrel kit is much cheaper
New DeLisle Carbines Coming From US Armament Manufacturing
https://tinyurl.com/4nphwen5
Centerfire Systems - Enfield 45ACP Conversion Kit w/ Bull Barrel
https://tinyurl.com/y5zmx6ds
They are making them new now, and they are selling the barrel and magazine kits.
The down side is that the silenced carbine is about $6,000, though the barrel kit is much cheaper
New DeLisle Carbines Coming From US Armament Manufacturing
https://tinyurl.com/4nphwen5
Centerfire Systems - Enfield 45ACP Conversion Kit w/ Bull Barrel
https://tinyurl.com/y5zmx6ds
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 08:03 PM (rbvCR)
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So I can count of seeing you there next year, right!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:58 PM (hOUT3)
Get me through to next year first!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NoVA MoMe in Virginia, Yes ~ at June 21, 2026 07:58 PM (hOUT3)
Get me through to next year first!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 08:03 PM (1ieqq)
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67 Greetings one and all. Hopefully I will attend a MoMe just to say "I was there."
Posted by: NR Pax
There are several regional MoMe that spring up and info is usually posted on the blog, or word of mouth! Keep you eyes open on the blog; you will never regret attending a MoMe!
Posted by: NR Pax
There are several regional MoMe that spring up and info is usually posted on the blog, or word of mouth! Keep you eyes open on the blog; you will never regret attending a MoMe!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:04 PM (hOUT3)
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61 I'm happy to report that as of Thursday I'm now the proud owner of shiny new snake-free ductwork.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM
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What caliber do you recommend for snakes?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 07:48 PM
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What caliber do you recommend for snakes?
Posted by: TRex - just checking... dino at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (hOUT3)
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TRex, shot the last one with the .410
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 08:06 PM (afJtY)
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What caliber do you recommend for snakes?
Posted by: TRex - just checking... dino at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
.... I didn't know they used the "caliber" system to measure cruise missiles.
Posted by: TRex - just checking... dino at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
.... I didn't know they used the "caliber" system to measure cruise missiles.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 21, 2026 08:06 PM (Ot/FD)
83
Loved how someone slapped a name sticker with "FED"
on it on CBD's back (see last night's ONT).
And when I pointed out that in fairness, between his khakis , polo short & wraparound shades he looked like a Fed, he responded as only a Jersey Moron can:
"Aw, FUCK you all!!!"
Yeah, if you missed it come on out next year!
on it on CBD's back (see last night's ONT).
And when I pointed out that in fairness, between his khakis , polo short & wraparound shades he looked like a Fed, he responded as only a Jersey Moron can:
"Aw, FUCK you all!!!"
Yeah, if you missed it come on out next year!
Posted by: Brother Bob at June 21, 2026 08:09 PM (tBfGm)
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The Gun Thread has taught me a valuable lesson.
Not all cheesy old SF movies are created equal.
That Spider movie last week was… enjoyable to see the old vehicles.
Not all cheesy old SF movies are created equal.
That Spider movie last week was… enjoyable to see the old vehicles.
Posted by: mindful webworker - spiders, man at June 21, 2026 08:14 PM (9bb3y)
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New DeLisle Carbines Coming From US Armament Manufacturing
https://tinyurl.com/4nphwen5
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 08:03 PM (rbvCR)
I have one of the US Armament Manufacturing examples. The workmanship on the rifle is quite good. The wood is finished well (relative to WWII standards) and the butt plate is brass. The sights are adjustable out to 200 yards. The suppressor is quite effective. It really cuts down the noise, even in an indoor setting. After about 75 rounds, the sights look like they're dead on at about 25 yards. My one complaint (beyond the price) is that 1911 magazines modified to accommodate the De Lisle's unique magazine catch are cheap generic 1911 magazines. I would have preferred to start with a higher end magazine manufacturer like Wilson Combat or Chip McCormick.
https://tinyurl.com/4nphwen5
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 08:03 PM (rbvCR)
I have one of the US Armament Manufacturing examples. The workmanship on the rifle is quite good. The wood is finished well (relative to WWII standards) and the butt plate is brass. The sights are adjustable out to 200 yards. The suppressor is quite effective. It really cuts down the noise, even in an indoor setting. After about 75 rounds, the sights look like they're dead on at about 25 yards. My one complaint (beyond the price) is that 1911 magazines modified to accommodate the De Lisle's unique magazine catch are cheap generic 1911 magazines. I would have preferred to start with a higher end magazine manufacturer like Wilson Combat or Chip McCormick.
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 08:15 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 21, 2026 08:16 PM (GjEvj)
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Congrats SiD. It always feels especially righteous when you manage to figure something out one your own.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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It's a small win, but the way things have been going with the house/yard, I'll take it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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It's a small win, but the way things have been going with the house/yard, I'll take it.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:16 PM (lOlUK)
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Did I stink up the place in Corsicana last year?
It was my first one, the Momentous 10th.
Just want to know if I have been barred…
I’d like to try it again, if I haven’t been spurned…
Ben Had was the warmest one of all. Probably because she never stops. But I meant temperament-wise…
And the Grand Ambassador Weasel, was the best, most accepting for Newbs.
Did I mind my manners enough to be able to come back?
It was my first one, the Momentous 10th.
Just want to know if I have been barred…
I’d like to try it again, if I haven’t been spurned…
Ben Had was the warmest one of all. Probably because she never stops. But I meant temperament-wise…
And the Grand Ambassador Weasel, was the best, most accepting for Newbs.
Did I mind my manners enough to be able to come back?
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:23 PM (3hOgI)
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Did I mind my manners enough to be able to come back?
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:23 PM (3hOgI)
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Ben Had always has the final say, but you have my hearty endorsement!
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:23 PM (3hOgI)
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Ben Had always has the final say, but you have my hearty endorsement!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (ei1sX)
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What caliber do you recommend for snakes?
Posted by: TRex
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I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: TRex
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I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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No groveling.
Posted by: Zod at June 21, 2026 08:26 PM (vneJl)
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Anyone who enjoys this blog should consider the trip to Corsicana a pilgrimage!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:28 PM (ei1sX)
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Gunslinger, look forward to having you join us again.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 08:28 PM (afJtY)
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I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 21, 2026 08:30 PM (kpS4V)
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:30 PM (3hOgI)
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Gunslinger, look forward to having you join us again.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 08:28 PM (afJtY)
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Gunslinger - this is a good sign.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 08:28 PM (afJtY)
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Gunslinger - this is a good sign.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:31 PM (ei1sX)
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I’m taking it the same way!
Thanks Ben, and you to Weasel.
Thanks Ben, and you to Weasel.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:31 PM (3hOgI)
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I was trying to remember who made the NoVa MoMe name tags. I got mine in 2020 and I think that was the last year.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 08:32 PM (kJmSS)
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I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
***************
Perfect response!
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
***************
Perfect response!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel,
So glad the MoMe went well but not surprised. Every gathering of Horde members is always a pleasure.
So glad the MoMe went well but not surprised. Every gathering of Horde members is always a pleasure.
Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (yTvNw)
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Get me through to next year first!
Posted by: Vendette
I propose a team effort!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (hOUT3)
Mutual accountability FTW!
Posted by: Vendette
I propose a team effort!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (hOUT3)
Mutual accountability FTW!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (1ieqq)
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Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:31 PM (3hOgI)
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By the way, I'm enjoying the last third of a giant 6x60 Brick House Maduro Mighty Mighty!
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By the way, I'm enjoying the last third of a giant 6x60 Brick House Maduro Mighty Mighty!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:34 PM (ei1sX)
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Here's a thought for FSJ, Gertie, Saijo, and the other dogs (and some of the cats) of the Horde:
Squirrels are just tennis balls thrown by God.
Squirrels are just tennis balls thrown by God.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 08:34 PM (qx7Zg)
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83 Loved how someone slapped a name sticker with "FED"
on it on CBD's back (see last night's ONT).
And when I pointed out that in fairness, between his khakis , polo short & wraparound shades he looked like a Fed, he responded as only a Jersey Moron can:
"Aw, FUCK you all!!!"
Yeah, if you missed it come on out next year!
Posted by: Brother Bob at June 21, 2026 08:09 PM (tBfGm)
I can't believe someone would do that!
on it on CBD's back (see last night's ONT).
And when I pointed out that in fairness, between his khakis , polo short & wraparound shades he looked like a Fed, he responded as only a Jersey Moron can:
"Aw, FUCK you all!!!"
Yeah, if you missed it come on out next year!
Posted by: Brother Bob at June 21, 2026 08:09 PM (tBfGm)
I can't believe someone would do that!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 21, 2026 08:34 PM (NlEaG)
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Like the revised nic Hrothgar!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:34 PM (IQ6Gq)
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the butt plate is brass. The sights are adjustable out to 200 yards. The suppressor is quite effective. It really cuts down the noise, even in an indoor setting. After about 75 rounds, the sights look like they're dead on at about 25 yards. My one complaint (beyond the price) is that 1911 magazines modified to accommodate the De Lisle's unique magazine catch are cheap generic 1911 magazines. I would have preferred to start with a higher end magazine manufacturer like Wilson Combat or Chip McCormick.
Posted by: Ed L a
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By WWII, brass was in scarce supply so buttplates on Lee Enfield WWII types were zamac or blackened steel. You won't see either of those on pre WWII rifles unless retrofitted.
Like the 1903a3, a lot of shortcuts were made during WWII for the sole remaining English firm BSA Shirley made No. 1, Mk 3's and later transitioned to No. 4 rifles. They used the dispersal scheme so a number of different subcontractors made the parts.
Posted by: Ed L a
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By WWII, brass was in scarce supply so buttplates on Lee Enfield WWII types were zamac or blackened steel. You won't see either of those on pre WWII rifles unless retrofitted.
Like the 1903a3, a lot of shortcuts were made during WWII for the sole remaining English firm BSA Shirley made No. 1, Mk 3's and later transitioned to No. 4 rifles. They used the dispersal scheme so a number of different subcontractors made the parts.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:35 PM (E4rtv)
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Lunchtime doubly so.
Posted by: Just the punchline at June 21, 2026 08:35 PM (NOXbI)
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Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (yTvNw)
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Thanks JTB. You and Mrs. JTB were missed!
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Thanks JTB. You and Mrs. JTB were missed!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:36 PM (ei1sX)
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90 I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM
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Without proper fundamentals, obviously. Can you practice ductwork snake hunting with dry fire?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM
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Without proper fundamentals, obviously. Can you practice ductwork snake hunting with dry fire?
Posted by: TRex - wind caller dino at June 21, 2026 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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61 I'm happy to report that as of Thursday I'm now the proud owner of shiny new snake-free ductwork.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Snakes in the AC would not be a horror movie I would watch.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Snakes in the AC would not be a horror movie I would watch.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:36 PM (E4rtv)
111
No groveling.
Posted by: Zod at June 21, 2026 08:26 PM
Yo, Zod! S'up? You were missed at the MoMe.
Posted by: Zod at June 21, 2026 08:26 PM
Yo, Zod! S'up? You were missed at the MoMe.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 08:37 PM (zC76q)
112
Ooh, nice.
CAO Brazilia for me. Perfect for the last stogie for a Sunday night.
Early bed for the following, always oppressive Monday back at work…
CAO Brazilia for me. Perfect for the last stogie for a Sunday night.
Early bed for the following, always oppressive Monday back at work…
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:37 PM (3hOgI)
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90 I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Yep, but it is the thoughtful suggestion that counts I guess.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Yep, but it is the thoughtful suggestion that counts I guess.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:37 PM (E4rtv)
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I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
***************
Perfect response!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Why not the Carl Spackler approach, from Caddyshack - C4 made up like snakes prey?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
***************
Perfect response!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Why not the Carl Spackler approach, from Caddyshack - C4 made up like snakes prey?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 08:38 PM (qx7Zg)
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Squirrels are just tennis balls thrown by God.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 08:34 PM (qx7Zg)
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Someday remind me to tell the story of the squirrel that fell out of a tree in the backyard and landed on top of FSJ. Hilarity ensued!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 08:34 PM (qx7Zg)
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Someday remind me to tell the story of the squirrel that fell out of a tree in the backyard and landed on top of FSJ. Hilarity ensued!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:38 PM (ei1sX)
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Like the 1903a3, a lot of shortcuts were made during WWII for the sole remaining English firm BSA Shirley made No. 1, Mk 3's and later transitioned to No. 4 rifles. They used the dispersal scheme so a number of different subcontractors made the parts.
Posted by: whig
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And to add to that, for No. 1. Mk 3, I suspect Australian used steel, dunno about Ishapore as India had a pretty active brass industry. I have an Aussie Lithgow downstairs but it is hardly original.
Posted by: whig
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And to add to that, for No. 1. Mk 3, I suspect Australian used steel, dunno about Ishapore as India had a pretty active brass industry. I have an Aussie Lithgow downstairs but it is hardly original.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:39 PM (E4rtv)
117
There is a thing called snakeshot you know.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 21, 2026 08:39 PM (NlEaG)
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Thanks to bluebell and Weasel for organizing the MoMeet. All the attendees made it special. I enjoyed hearig the tales. One attendee and I were north of Libya at the same time in 1986. I was part of the USS America battlegroup, and he was in the USS Coral Sea battlegroup. Small world.
I plan to tell my friends back home that I got to talk with Bunny.
It was good to see familiar faces like Hrothgar, Sharon (willow's apprentice), Bulg and new ones such as Buck, who had some great stories. I could list everyone, but only Google and bluebell have the complete list.
I plan to tell my friends back home that I got to talk with Bunny.
It was good to see familiar faces like Hrothgar, Sharon (willow's apprentice), Bulg and new ones such as Buck, who had some great stories. I could list everyone, but only Google and bluebell have the complete list.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 21, 2026 08:40 PM (whRlH)
119
Oh and hello gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 21, 2026 08:40 PM (NlEaG)
120
Ya gotta be careful in that ductwork, pal.
Posted by: John McClane at June 21, 2026 08:41 PM (NOXbI)
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I've got one of those CO2 powered bb machine guns. You could shoot that in your ducts and it would make a heck of a noise and probably no holes.
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2026 08:42 PM (vFG9F)
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Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:37 PM (3hOgI)
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Unfortunately it's now at the sad point of letting it die or trying to get one or two more puffs.
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Unfortunately it's now at the sad point of letting it die or trying to get one or two more puffs.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:43 PM (ei1sX)
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Thanks for including the videos on the model 1917. Those old bolt action 30-06 battle rifles are wonderfully versatile. Unless the barrel is shot out they are good enough for casual target shooting and most hunting. With cast bullet hand loads they can serve as a squirrel rifle or a gallery gun. And those rear sights are plenty accurate once dialed in for the specific load.
The demonstration on greasing the bolt was helpful and applies to any of the bolt action battle rifles.
The demonstration on greasing the bolt was helpful and applies to any of the bolt action battle rifles.
Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2026 08:44 PM (yTvNw)
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Headed to Florida end of this week.
On board the vehicle will be some things that will no longer be legal in VA when I come back.
VCI bags came in from Amazon today.
On board the vehicle will be some things that will no longer be legal in VA when I come back.
VCI bags came in from Amazon today.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 21, 2026 08:45 PM (NlEaG)
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Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2026 08:44 PM (yTvNw)
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The CMP did an outstanding job of rebarreling the one in the video.
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The CMP did an outstanding job of rebarreling the one in the video.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:45 PM (ei1sX)
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Unfortunately it's now at the sad point of letting it die or trying to get one or two more puffs.
Posted by: Weasel
Oh, that is sad. About as sad as being reduced to a little cigarillo because it's too hot to be out longer than that.
Posted by: Weasel
Oh, that is sad. About as sad as being reduced to a little cigarillo because it's too hot to be out longer than that.
Posted by: She Hobbit at June 21, 2026 08:46 PM (ftFVW)
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She Hobbit, wish BruceWayne Happy Birthday from me and a hug to you.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 08:48 PM (afJtY)
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Hey! I have one of those. Have only fired it once and the empty brass got stuck. I have since had it cleaned by my local range guys but have not had a chance to try shooting it again.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Some of those old WWI chambers can be generous and the US Army did not store 1917 rifles in the best of ways so they had some issues reissuing them in WWII to the extent that they put in a order for new barrels as barrels and chambers on some rifles corroded in storage between the wars. WWII barrels were made by Johnson Automatics and by High Standard--the greenish gray parkerizing is also in use. The original parkerizing in WWI used a bit different ingredients so you got a blackish parkerizing. IRRC, manganese (dark gray to blackish) in WWI, and zinc (light gray to grayish green) in WWII, probably because manganese was better employed in alloy steels rather than outsides of rifles.
And some are just dirty.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Some of those old WWI chambers can be generous and the US Army did not store 1917 rifles in the best of ways so they had some issues reissuing them in WWII to the extent that they put in a order for new barrels as barrels and chambers on some rifles corroded in storage between the wars. WWII barrels were made by Johnson Automatics and by High Standard--the greenish gray parkerizing is also in use. The original parkerizing in WWI used a bit different ingredients so you got a blackish parkerizing. IRRC, manganese (dark gray to blackish) in WWI, and zinc (light gray to grayish green) in WWII, probably because manganese was better employed in alloy steels rather than outsides of rifles.
And some are just dirty.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (E4rtv)
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And to add to that, for No. 1. Mk 3, I suspect Australian used steel, dunno about Ishapore as India had a pretty active brass industry. I have an Aussie Lithgow downstairs but it is hardly original.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:39 PM (E4rtv)
Perhaps my DeLisle reproduction started out as an Ishapore product?
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:39 PM (E4rtv)
Perhaps my DeLisle reproduction started out as an Ishapore product?
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (BCwQW)
130
Without proper fundamentals, obviously. Can you practice ductwork snake hunting with dry fire?
Posted by: TRex
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Hm. I had lost my motivation to shoot but a snake target might get me back to the range.
Posted by: TRex
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Hm. I had lost my motivation to shoot but a snake target might get me back to the range.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (lOlUK)
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And big hugs to you, Ben Had! I'll pass the word along.
Posted by: She Hobbit at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (ftFVW)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 08:50 PM (2YhKe)
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MoMes are the shizznit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 08:51 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: She Hobbit at June 21, 2026 08:52 PM (ftFVW)
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123 Thanks for including the videos on the model 1917. Those old bolt action 30-06 battle rifles are wonderfully versatile. Unless the barrel is shot out they are good enough for casual target shooting and most hunting. With cast bullet hand loads they can serve as a squirrel rifle or a gallery gun. And those rear sights are plenty accurate once dialed in for the specific load.
Posted by: JTB
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The heaviness of the rifle offsets the recoil--in full battle rattle, they weigh heavier than springfield 1903s.
The 1917 action and their P14 predecessors were altered post war into magnums by several custom gunshops because of strength. Not really true for the WWI era 1903's. The 1903a3s were built of modern steel but conversions were relatively scarce for those.
The P14 better fits the 300 Win Mag due to the differences in magazine length (shorter for the P14). The 1917 often was converted into a 300 Norma Magnum. Good round that never really caught on.
Posted by: JTB
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The heaviness of the rifle offsets the recoil--in full battle rattle, they weigh heavier than springfield 1903s.
The 1917 action and their P14 predecessors were altered post war into magnums by several custom gunshops because of strength. Not really true for the WWI era 1903's. The 1903a3s were built of modern steel but conversions were relatively scarce for those.
The P14 better fits the 300 Win Mag due to the differences in magazine length (shorter for the P14). The 1917 often was converted into a 300 Norma Magnum. Good round that never really caught on.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:54 PM (E4rtv)
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Just got home from the MoMe. Had a great time.
Thank you Grateful and T-rex for everything.
Had a great time shooting some of Ed L's toys.
Thank you Ed!!!
Thank you Grateful and T-rex for everything.
Had a great time shooting some of Ed L's toys.
Thank you Ed!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 21, 2026 08:54 PM (OF02a)
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IIRC, the 1917 "Enfield" introduced the rear peep sight and front post sight (with protective "barleycorn ear" protectors on each side. This type of sight would remain in use on successive US service rifles (M1, M1 Carbine, M14, M16, M4) well into the 21st century. Even the modern M4A1/M16A4 "flat top" rifles with optics still used backup irons with the same type of sights well into the 2010s during Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 08:54 PM (BCwQW)
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SPONGE!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 08:55 PM (zC76q)
139
I was trying to remember who made the NoVa MoMe name tags. I got mine in 2020 and I think that was the last year.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 08:32 PM (kJmSS)
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Muad'dib. He was so generous to do all that for us, and more. Great guy.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 21, 2026 08:32 PM (kJmSS)
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Muad'dib. He was so generous to do all that for us, and more. Great guy.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2026 08:55 PM (afFes)
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You're very welcome, Scuba Dude!
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 08:55 PM (BCwQW)
141
101 Get me through to next year first!
Posted by: Vendette
I propose a team effort!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (hOUT3)
Mutual accountability FTW!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (1ieqq)
Let's not get carried away here!
Posted by: Vendette
I propose a team effort!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:05 PM (hOUT3)
Mutual accountability FTW!
Posted by: Vendette at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (1ieqq)
Let's not get carried away here!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:57 PM (hOUT3)
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Weasel at June 21, 2026 08:43 PM (ei1sX)
“Unfortunately it's now at the sad point of letting it die or trying to get one or two more puffs.”
Torch lighter!
But if the wrapper is starting to unravel, time to tap out.
I have waayyy too many shirts, with micro-holes in the front. Best to call it done. And have your shirt live another presentable-in-public day.
“Unfortunately it's now at the sad point of letting it die or trying to get one or two more puffs.”
Torch lighter!
But if the wrapper is starting to unravel, time to tap out.
I have waayyy too many shirts, with micro-holes in the front. Best to call it done. And have your shirt live another presentable-in-public day.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 21, 2026 08:57 PM (3hOgI)
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Perhaps my DeLisle reproduction started out as an Ishapore product?
Posted by: Ed L
I'll bet they put a brass one on because it is prettier. The steel ones look pretty much WWII minimum specs of ugly but enough to get through the war quality. Post war, it simply was often whatever the armorer had in stock when one was refitted. FTR'ed in their lingo.
Brits saved the quality for where it counted in rifles but not the finish on rifle furniture on WWII products or later WWI ones for that matter. The No. 1 Mk 3* came about in 1916 after the Battle of the Somme created an enormous demand for rifles.
Posted by: Ed L
I'll bet they put a brass one on because it is prettier. The steel ones look pretty much WWII minimum specs of ugly but enough to get through the war quality. Post war, it simply was often whatever the armorer had in stock when one was refitted. FTR'ed in their lingo.
Brits saved the quality for where it counted in rifles but not the finish on rifle furniture on WWII products or later WWI ones for that matter. The No. 1 Mk 3* came about in 1916 after the Battle of the Somme created an enormous demand for rifles.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 08:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Glad you came and are now home safe Scoob....I would have said "safe and sound" but I know that would only prompt a response from RMBS....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:58 PM (IQ6Gq)
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And some are just dirty.
Posted by: whig
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Jesse had copious notes on this rifle. On the back of one of the pages, he wrote about shooting 50 rounds on some date in 2020. I think that note goes with this rifle, but I'm not sure. I don't recall him telling me about shooting this rifle, but he had many rifles. I still don't know some of what I have without checking his notes. I do remember that this particular rifle had changed hands between him and one of his buddies a couple different times. His buddy offered to buy it from me shortly after J died. At the time I would have agreed, but have since changed my mind about selling. And I haven't heard from this guy in ages so maybe he forgot!
Posted by: whig
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Jesse had copious notes on this rifle. On the back of one of the pages, he wrote about shooting 50 rounds on some date in 2020. I think that note goes with this rifle, but I'm not sure. I don't recall him telling me about shooting this rifle, but he had many rifles. I still don't know some of what I have without checking his notes. I do remember that this particular rifle had changed hands between him and one of his buddies a couple different times. His buddy offered to buy it from me shortly after J died. At the time I would have agreed, but have since changed my mind about selling. And I haven't heard from this guy in ages so maybe he forgot!
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:59 PM (lOlUK)
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Oh, that is sad. About as sad as being reduced to a little cigarillo because it's too hot to be out longer than that.
Posted by: She Hobbit at June 21, 2026 08:46 PM (ftFVW)
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Looking forward to October and chatting over a cigar with you!
Posted by: She Hobbit at June 21, 2026 08:46 PM (ftFVW)
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Looking forward to October and chatting over a cigar with you!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:00 PM (ei1sX)
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137 IIRC, the 1917 "Enfield" introduced the rear peep sight and front post sight (with protective "barleycorn ear" protectors on each side. This type of sight would remain in use on successive US service rifles (M1, M1 Carbine, M14, M16, M4) well into the 21st century. Even the modern M4A1/M16A4 "flat top" rifles with optics still used backup irons with the same type of sights well into the 2010s during Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Ed L
Occasionally you will see a parts rifle with the proper sights switched as you can put a P14 sight and front sight blades on a 1917 but not vice versa because the P14 sight bed is not long enough as the receivers had to be lengthened for the 30-06 cartridge. Front sight blades, it doesn't matter much as the P14/1917 will even take some Lee Enfield front sight blades with some effort.
Posted by: Ed L
Occasionally you will see a parts rifle with the proper sights switched as you can put a P14 sight and front sight blades on a 1917 but not vice versa because the P14 sight bed is not long enough as the receivers had to be lengthened for the 30-06 cartridge. Front sight blades, it doesn't matter much as the P14/1917 will even take some Lee Enfield front sight blades with some effort.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:00 PM (E4rtv)
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Thank you to all of you that come to the TXMOME and made it so special. You have given me such wonderful memories .
As with Sponge, I remember your firsts.
As with Sponge, I remember your firsts.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 09:00 PM (afJtY)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 09:01 PM (2YhKe)
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Good evening. Range was visited, twice. Once to confirm ammunition batch and once to shoot a 1,000 yard match. The 135 grain A tip bullets proved to be loaded to acceptable standards the day before the match.
I'm pretty sure my fundamentals were good.
So, my plan was, going into the match, take two rifles. One optimized for 6.5 mm 135 grain A tip bullets and the other optimized for 6.5 mm 153 grain A tips.
My thinking was, due to the way the wind kicks up around here, I would move to the heavier bullets with the better bc if we saw significant wind. The fly in the ointment: The 153 grain loads might be a little sketchy from a consistency standpoint.
Day of the match I got caught right in the middle: Breezy enough to question using the lighter bullet but not so breezy I wanted to risk using loads I wasn't all that confident in.
In the end, I went with the lighter bullets traveling a little faster and decided to trust my wind reading skills. I ended up in a 3 way tie for second place with a 96 but ultimately 4th as I only had two in the X ring. But, I did catch the wind shift and increase and beat several of our more experienced shoots.
I'm pretty sure my fundamentals were good.
So, my plan was, going into the match, take two rifles. One optimized for 6.5 mm 135 grain A tip bullets and the other optimized for 6.5 mm 153 grain A tips.
My thinking was, due to the way the wind kicks up around here, I would move to the heavier bullets with the better bc if we saw significant wind. The fly in the ointment: The 153 grain loads might be a little sketchy from a consistency standpoint.
Day of the match I got caught right in the middle: Breezy enough to question using the lighter bullet but not so breezy I wanted to risk using loads I wasn't all that confident in.
In the end, I went with the lighter bullets traveling a little faster and decided to trust my wind reading skills. I ended up in a 3 way tie for second place with a 96 but ultimately 4th as I only had two in the X ring. But, I did catch the wind shift and increase and beat several of our more experienced shoots.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:02 PM (UJMvS)
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As with Sponge, I remember your firsts.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 09:00
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To be fair, you made me do it.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2026 09:00
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To be fair, you made me do it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 09:02 PM (2YhKe)
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Hm. I had lost my motivation to shoot but a snake target might get me back to the range.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (lOlUK)
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Hey!
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (lOlUK)
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Hey!
Posted by: Snake Plisskin at June 21, 2026 09:03 PM (UJMvS)
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Looking forward to October and chatting over a cigar with you!
Posted by: Weasel
Yay, me too! Probably should start the planning now that the big family summer trip is behind me.
Posted by: Weasel
Yay, me too! Probably should start the planning now that the big family summer trip is behind me.
Posted by: She Hobbit at June 21, 2026 09:03 PM (ftFVW)
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Perhaps my DeLisle reproduction started out as an Ishapore product?
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (BCwQW)
You can check the cartouche on the right side, unless that was ground off.
The MOD were not using No 4 SMLE actions, they were using No.1 actions, often ones with shot out barrels so they had a use for good actions that needed new barrels.
I expect there is some notes somewhere that details whether or not the brass SMLE No.1 butt plates were to be removed or not. The buttstock was basically standard. Probably Forgotten Weapons.
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 08:49 PM (BCwQW)
You can check the cartouche on the right side, unless that was ground off.
The MOD were not using No 4 SMLE actions, they were using No.1 actions, often ones with shot out barrels so they had a use for good actions that needed new barrels.
I expect there is some notes somewhere that details whether or not the brass SMLE No.1 butt plates were to be removed or not. The buttstock was basically standard. Probably Forgotten Weapons.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 09:04 PM (rbvCR)
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Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:02 PM (UJMvS)
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Keep up the good work!
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Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:04 PM (ei1sX)
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Glad you came and are now home safe Scoob....I would have said "safe and sound" but I know that would only prompt a response from RMBS....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:58 PM
*looks around innocently*
*says nothing*
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:58 PM
*looks around innocently*
*says nothing*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 09:06 PM (zC76q)
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So, my plan was, going into the match, take two rifles. One optimized for 6.5 mm 135 grain A tip bullets and the other optimized for 6.5 mm 153 grain A tips.
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I understand that bullet weight can make a difference but what settings do you optimize on a rifle for different bullet weights? Just MOA because of the difference in trajectory?
BTW, thanks Weasel for the video in the content on grains.
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I understand that bullet weight can make a difference but what settings do you optimize on a rifle for different bullet weights? Just MOA because of the difference in trajectory?
BTW, thanks Weasel for the video in the content on grains.
Posted by: TRex - optimized dino at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Jesse had copious notes on this rifle.
Posted by: screaming in digital
The value on those keeps escalating. They really are a magnificent rifle with one fault, the mag ejection spring is prone to breaking. And btw, when it does, the rifle's bolt will not extract brass from the chamber sometime or eject it depending on how broken it is.
Which now that I think about it, you might want to check that spring.
You don't have to take the rifle apart, just remove the bolt, look on the left side inside the back of the receiver for the rifle, and you should see the tip of the ejector spring. It is held in place by a small screw going from the top to the bottom and the spring pivots on that screw to eject spent shells.
https://tinyurl.com/Blog-with-pictures-of-spring
Posted by: screaming in digital
The value on those keeps escalating. They really are a magnificent rifle with one fault, the mag ejection spring is prone to breaking. And btw, when it does, the rifle's bolt will not extract brass from the chamber sometime or eject it depending on how broken it is.
Which now that I think about it, you might want to check that spring.
You don't have to take the rifle apart, just remove the bolt, look on the left side inside the back of the receiver for the rifle, and you should see the tip of the ejector spring. It is held in place by a small screw going from the top to the bottom and the spring pivots on that screw to eject spent shells.
https://tinyurl.com/Blog-with-pictures-of-spring
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: TRex - optimized dino at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Change the bullet weight and everything about the load changes, particularly velocity and bullet jump.
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Change the bullet weight and everything about the load changes, particularly velocity and bullet jump.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:08 PM (ei1sX)
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Here, Ed L
The British ARES write up on the deLisle, with the video by Forgotten Arms
https://tinyurl.com/mrywdh7z
The British ARES write up on the deLisle, with the video by Forgotten Arms
https://tinyurl.com/mrywdh7z
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 09:08 PM (rbvCR)
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Probably Forgotten Weapons.
Posted by: Kindltot
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It is in Skelton's book on the Lee Enfield as are a lot of details about it.
Posted by: Kindltot
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It is in Skelton's book on the Lee Enfield as are a lot of details about it.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM (E4rtv)
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You can check the cartouche on the right side, unless that was ground off.
The MOD were not using No 4 SMLE actions, they were using No.1 actions, often ones with shot out barrels so they had a use for good actions that needed new barrels.
I expect there is some notes somewhere that details whether or not the brass SMLE No.1 butt plates were to be removed or not. The buttstock was basically standard. Probably Forgotten Weapons.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 09:04 PM (rbvCR)
US Armament Manufacturing put on all new wood stocks, so no original markings on the wood remain.
The MOD were not using No 4 SMLE actions, they were using No.1 actions, often ones with shot out barrels so they had a use for good actions that needed new barrels.
I expect there is some notes somewhere that details whether or not the brass SMLE No.1 butt plates were to be removed or not. The buttstock was basically standard. Probably Forgotten Weapons.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 09:04 PM (rbvCR)
US Armament Manufacturing put on all new wood stocks, so no original markings on the wood remain.
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM (BCwQW)
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Signing off to get some sleep before the drive home tomorrow.
Thanks again for a great NoVaMoMe and a great Gun Thread!
Looking forward to seeing all of you amazing people in Corsicana!
Thanks again for a great NoVaMoMe and a great Gun Thread!
Looking forward to seeing all of you amazing people in Corsicana!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM (zC76q)
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Posted by: TRex - optimized dino at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Elevation adjustment will change as will the ability of the projectile to resist wind offset.
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Elevation adjustment will change as will the ability of the projectile to resist wind offset.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM (ei1sX)
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Stopping by the gun thread just to mention that - for the first time in about a year and a half, I got some trigger time at the club.
Put about 90 rounds through my P320C and only about 60 rounds through the MCX Rattler.
Groupings were poor to start out with on the pistol but quickly improved as I reacquainted myself with my firearm that I hadn't shot in months.
Started out low and to the left like all right handed shooters naturally do I think.
Put about 90 rounds through my P320C and only about 60 rounds through the MCX Rattler.
Groupings were poor to start out with on the pistol but quickly improved as I reacquainted myself with my firearm that I hadn't shot in months.
Started out low and to the left like all right handed shooters naturally do I think.
Posted by: Defenestratus at June 21, 2026 09:10 PM (CNp5O)
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I understand that bullet weight can make a difference but what settings do you optimize on a rifle for different bullet weights? Just MOA because of the difference in trajectory?
BTW, thanks Weasel for the video in the content on grains.
Posted by: TRex
Makes a difference in the arc of the bullet trajectory and sometimes wind can be a factor at longer range. So you zero your scope differently for each. If you have to use the same rifle for both, most people mark their scope rather than rezeroing each time. Fine enough for hunters but if you are in a shooting competition, zero the rifle each time you switch ammo in the location you are shooting--altitude, humidity, and a bunch of other factors come into play at long range shooting comps. Weasel is your guy for that.
BTW, thanks Weasel for the video in the content on grains.
Posted by: TRex
Makes a difference in the arc of the bullet trajectory and sometimes wind can be a factor at longer range. So you zero your scope differently for each. If you have to use the same rifle for both, most people mark their scope rather than rezeroing each time. Fine enough for hunters but if you are in a shooting competition, zero the rifle each time you switch ammo in the location you are shooting--altitude, humidity, and a bunch of other factors come into play at long range shooting comps. Weasel is your guy for that.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:11 PM (E4rtv)
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Night RMBS....I'm signing off too as tomorrow is a work day....'til Corsicana!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 09:12 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I understand that bullet weight can make a difference but what settings do you optimize on a rifle for different bullet weights? Just MOA because of the difference in trajectory?
BTW, thanks Weasel for the video in the content on grains.
Posted by: TRex - optimized dino at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I shoot a 6.5-06. The barrel on one of my rifles is a 28" Heavy Palma contour. The distance to the lands is short so I use a smaller bullet, the 135 gain A tip.
My other 6.5-06 has a 26" Heavy Varmint profile barrel on it, with more freebore, which allows me to seat the bullet further out without the bullet jamming into the rifling lands.
BTW, thanks Weasel for the video in the content on grains.
Posted by: TRex - optimized dino at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I shoot a 6.5-06. The barrel on one of my rifles is a 28" Heavy Palma contour. The distance to the lands is short so I use a smaller bullet, the 135 gain A tip.
My other 6.5-06 has a 26" Heavy Varmint profile barrel on it, with more freebore, which allows me to seat the bullet further out without the bullet jamming into the rifling lands.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:12 PM (UJMvS)
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Posted by: Defenestratus at June 21, 2026 09:10 PM (CNp5O)
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Low/left from a right hand shooter typically results from anticipating recoil. Don't do that!
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Low/left from a right hand shooter typically results from anticipating recoil. Don't do that!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:12 PM (ei1sX)
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Evening, Weasel, and Gun Thread folks!
Any advice on getting a Browning Auto-5 12 ga. unjammed? a 1949 model made by FN. I was able to partly field-strip it, and got a spent shell ejected from the chamber when I removed the barrel.
Any advice on getting a Browning Auto-5 12 ga. unjammed? a 1949 model made by FN. I was able to partly field-strip it, and got a spent shell ejected from the chamber when I removed the barrel.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 09:12 PM (1z8ji)
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164 Posted by: TRex - optimized dino at June 21, 2026 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Elevation adjustment will change as will the ability of the projectile to resist wind offset.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM
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So you might optimize things on a rifle like barrel twist?
You might have two rifles and zero each one separately rather than taking one rifle and trying to make changes at the range?
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Elevation adjustment will change as will the ability of the projectile to resist wind offset.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM
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So you might optimize things on a rifle like barrel twist?
You might have two rifles and zero each one separately rather than taking one rifle and trying to make changes at the range?
Posted by: TRex - twisted dino at June 21, 2026 09:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 09:09 PM (zC76q)
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Safe trip home, amigo. Always a pleasure to see you and mom!
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Safe trip home, amigo. Always a pleasure to see you and mom!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:14 PM (ei1sX)
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Low/left from a right hand shooter typically results from anticipating recoil. Don't do that!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:12 PM
*makes note not to do that*
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:12 PM
*makes note not to do that*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 09:14 PM (zC76q)
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Safe trip home, amigo. Always a pleasure to see you and mom!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:14 PM
Likewise, Weasel. See y'all in TX!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:14 PM
Likewise, Weasel. See y'all in TX!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 09:15 PM (zC76q)
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Weasel, I'm going to sign off because I'm a bit tired from this weekend's activities and I have an early wake up tomorrow morning. Thanks for hosting!
Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 09:15 PM (BCwQW)
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I realize I may not have answered your question, TRex. Rule of thumb is, the neck/should junction of the case should line up with the shoulder on a boat tail bullet. Seating beyond that point can adversely affect accuracy.
The freebore difference between the two rifles dictates seating depth.
The freebore difference between the two rifles dictates seating depth.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:15 PM (UJMvS)
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OK, 9:16 thank you time.
Thank you!
Sure do appreciate all y'all being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday. A special thanks to everyone who joined us on Saturday!!
Thank you!
Sure do appreciate all y'all being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday. A special thanks to everyone who joined us on Saturday!!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:16 PM (ei1sX)
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Took my son shooting Saturday in the Coastal Range west of Portland. We had a great time.
Just curious, has there ever been a Pacific Northwest MoMe?
Just curious, has there ever been a Pacific Northwest MoMe?
Posted by: frammish at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (rcENI)
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Any advice on getting a Browning Auto-5 12 ga. unjammed? a 1949 model made by FN. I was able to partly field-strip it, and got a spent shell ejected from the chamber when I removed the barrel.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Those are Swiss watch precision fitting on the A5. Check Numrich for a schematic but sometimes the problem is someone did not adjust the friction rings when shooting a different shotgun load and that affects the extraction. Most people casually shooting pop or grandpop's Auto 5 never read the manual and assume that it will handle all different shotgun loads without adjustment. It won't function sometimes if changing from light to heavy or heavy to light.
Apart from oiling it, I will use a dummy round and check for firing and extraction.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Those are Swiss watch precision fitting on the A5. Check Numrich for a schematic but sometimes the problem is someone did not adjust the friction rings when shooting a different shotgun load and that affects the extraction. Most people casually shooting pop or grandpop's Auto 5 never read the manual and assume that it will handle all different shotgun loads without adjustment. It won't function sometimes if changing from light to heavy or heavy to light.
Apart from oiling it, I will use a dummy round and check for firing and extraction.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (E4rtv)
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Have a good one, Weasel! By the way, finding those extra 4 points to shoot a 100 is going to be tough!
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (UJMvS)
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I'm only a simple librarian but I'm pretty sure it would have been a bad idea to fire a gun of any caliber into one of my vents.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
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Perfect response!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Since she's left, TRex, is this a sign of what you're getting for Christmas?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 21, 2026 08:25 PM (lOlUK)
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So, flamethrower?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
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Perfect response!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 21, 2026 08:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Since she's left, TRex, is this a sign of what you're getting for Christmas?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (qx7Zg)
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Posted by: Ed L at June 21, 2026 09:15 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks again Ed L, and THANK YOU for the wonderful gift. I will feature it in an upcoming Gun Thread, soon!
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Thanks again Ed L, and THANK YOU for the wonderful gift. I will feature it in an upcoming Gun Thread, soon!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (ei1sX)
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guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (xcxpd)
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Take Auto 5's apart as a last resort and if you are in there, replace all the springs and worn parts. I have a pre War with a suicide safety (trigger guard) and it is a beast, but you have to set the friction rings right.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:18 PM (E4rtv)
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175 Weasel, I'm going to sign off because I'm a bit tired from this weekend's activities and I have an early wake up tomorrow morning. Thanks for hosting!
Posted by: Ed L
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Ed L, you are a top notch and knowledgeable collector of exquisite firearms and hope to meet you someday if I ever get to travel much to a MoMeet.
Posted by: Ed L
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Ed L, you are a top notch and knowledgeable collector of exquisite firearms and hope to meet you someday if I ever get to travel much to a MoMeet.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:19 PM (E4rtv)
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Did get to the range yesterday, just normal proficiency drills: Dot Torture with Bubba Fly my G17 and some one handed drills with my G44.
Holes made in paper, a good day was had.
In other news, I'm continuing to inch closer to getting rid of the vast majority of my firearms. With a few sentimental exceptions, I'm probably going to get rid of all my .45's, .44's, 38's and every other caliber that isn't 9mm, .22lr or 5.56. And maybe 12 gauge.
That's a lot of tools. Just need to figure out how best to get $ for it without me listing stuff on Gunbroker because...being serious, I'm not doing that.
Holes made in paper, a good day was had.
In other news, I'm continuing to inch closer to getting rid of the vast majority of my firearms. With a few sentimental exceptions, I'm probably going to get rid of all my .45's, .44's, 38's and every other caliber that isn't 9mm, .22lr or 5.56. And maybe 12 gauge.
That's a lot of tools. Just need to figure out how best to get $ for it without me listing stuff on Gunbroker because...being serious, I'm not doing that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:20 PM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (UJMvS)
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I have the utmost confidence in you.
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I have the utmost confidence in you.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:20 PM (ei1sX)
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Just curious, has there ever been a Pacific Northwest MoMe?
Posted by: frammish at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM
Ask MAE. I have heard rumors.
Posted by: frammish at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM
Ask MAE. I have heard rumors.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 09:20 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:21 PM (E4rtv)
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178 Took my son shooting Saturday in the Coastal Range west of Portland. We had a great time.
Just curious, has there ever been a Pacific Northwest MoMe?
Posted by: frammish at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (rcENI)
jah, most years. This year I was on vacation and nobody else felt like organizing it. Typically happens in May.
Just curious, has there ever been a Pacific Northwest MoMe?
Posted by: frammish at June 21, 2026 09:17 PM (rcENI)
jah, most years. This year I was on vacation and nobody else felt like organizing it. Typically happens in May.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:22 PM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:15 PM
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Thanks Blake. Need to apply my small brain and digest further, but your explanation is helpful.
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Thanks Blake. Need to apply my small brain and digest further, but your explanation is helpful.
Posted by: TRex - partially seated dino at June 21, 2026 09:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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189 183 guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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How's your Glock shooting going.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:21 PM (E4rtv)
honestly, really solid. I had a few low-right strings on dot torture yesterday but I'm happy with what's happening. I have other guns I love but I shoot Glocks well and I have hi-cap mags for them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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How's your Glock shooting going.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:21 PM (E4rtv)
honestly, really solid. I had a few low-right strings on dot torture yesterday but I'm happy with what's happening. I have other guns I love but I shoot Glocks well and I have hi-cap mags for them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:23 PM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:19 PM (E4rtv)
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I hope it works out someday. It would be a pleasure to meet you!
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I hope it works out someday. It would be a pleasure to meet you!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:24 PM (ei1sX)
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Thanks Blake. Need to apply my small brain and digest further, but your explanation is helpful.
Posted by: TRex - partially seated dino at June 21, 2026 09:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Well, a wise Weasel once warned madness lay along the road to shooting long range matches. Did I listen? Nooooo....
Posted by: TRex - partially seated dino at June 21, 2026 09:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Well, a wise Weasel once warned madness lay along the road to shooting long range matches. Did I listen? Nooooo....
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:25 PM (UJMvS)
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You might have two rifles and zero each one separately rather than taking one rifle and trying to make changes at the range?
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Easier if competing with it. Not really needed for minute of elk etc. The long range competition shooters are just getting warmed up by the time it is well past what most hunters would consider a humane kill range.
I never shot much long range even when I did shoot back a ways. Most of my rifles are battered old shooter grade military bolt actions and you get minute of man accuracy unless you tune them specifically for competition (which in turn negatively affects their collector's value and some alterations like glass bedding, etc. are not allowed anyway). So 3-5 MOA is usual with open sights and range ammo fodder and a bit less with peep sights on a good day at 100-200 yards==maybe 2.5-4 on something like an Lee Enfield No. 4 with Singer peep iron sights.
Posted by: TRex
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Easier if competing with it. Not really needed for minute of elk etc. The long range competition shooters are just getting warmed up by the time it is well past what most hunters would consider a humane kill range.
I never shot much long range even when I did shoot back a ways. Most of my rifles are battered old shooter grade military bolt actions and you get minute of man accuracy unless you tune them specifically for competition (which in turn negatively affects their collector's value and some alterations like glass bedding, etc. are not allowed anyway). So 3-5 MOA is usual with open sights and range ammo fodder and a bit less with peep sights on a good day at 100-200 yards==maybe 2.5-4 on something like an Lee Enfield No. 4 with Singer peep iron sights.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:25 PM (E4rtv)
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Tardy Sunday evening greetings, gub 'ettes and 'rons. Sounds like NoVAMoMe was a fine time and I'm sorry to have missed it -- but I'm locked in for Corsicana!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 21, 2026 09:27 PM (xVpNO)
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Let's not get carried away here!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:57 PM
Concur.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next Up TX MoMe ~ at June 21, 2026 08:57 PM
Concur.
Posted by: Winston Wolfe at June 21, 2026 09:27 PM (0sNs1)
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111 No groveling.
Posted by: Zod at June 21, 2026 08:26 PM
Yo, Zod! S'up? You were missed at the MoMe.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 08:37 PM (zC76q)
And most threads
Posted by: Zod at June 21, 2026 08:26 PM
Yo, Zod! S'up? You were missed at the MoMe.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2026 08:37 PM (zC76q)
And most threads
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:28 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:29 PM (ei1sX)
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200!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 21, 2026 09:29 PM (xVpNO)
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I found the complete lack of range babes in the 1917 video interesting, given the close proximity to the WAHFUAUVA.
Was Weasel experimenting with rice in his rear bag?
Was Weasel experimenting with rice in his rear bag?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 09:30 PM (0sNs1)
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Amusing side note: The base rifle I shot yesterday has an MSRP of under $1,000. I've done some minor upgrades, bolt lift kit, replaced the barrel because I wore out the original, trigger kit, etc. But, anyone who tells you you need to spend a fortune on a custom gun to get started shooting long range, well, no, not really. However, we won't discuss the cost of reloading gear. Sure, reloading your own saves you money...until you realize you shoot more.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:30 PM (UJMvS)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (xVpNO)
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Finishing my Flor de Oliva as the gun thread slows down. No shooting activities this week.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (hWzgv)
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I hope it works out someday. It would be a pleasure to meet you!
Posted by: Weasel
It will take a year from my surgery in last Feb that I will know for sure as far as resuming any shooting longarms apart from rimfire or 223 in August at teh sixth month mark.
Posted by: Weasel
It will take a year from my surgery in last Feb that I will know for sure as far as resuming any shooting longarms apart from rimfire or 223 in August at teh sixth month mark.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (E4rtv)
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Watching the "old" movie, The Jackal, with Bruce Willis and Richard Gere. He tests out his big weapon somewhere in Canada, far enough away from people that a full-auto cannon won't be heard, as well as the explosion of a car.
And he fires it off sitting not 5 feet away, without hearing protection. The only nod to "it should be really loud" is he squiggles his ear with a finger afterwards. And it's the ear furthest away from the weapon. Mhmmmmm....
And he fires it off sitting not 5 feet away, without hearing protection. The only nod to "it should be really loud" is he squiggles his ear with a finger afterwards. And it's the ear furthest away from the weapon. Mhmmmmm....
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (kU0PQ)
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If you want range babes, look up Taran Tactical on youtube and watch the videos when various actors are training with him.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:32 PM (UJMvS)
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And it's the ear furthest away from the weapon. Mhmmmmm....
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM
Maybe he was temporarily deaf in the ear closest to the weapon?
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM
Maybe he was temporarily deaf in the ear closest to the weapon?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 09:33 PM (0sNs1)
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Upon further reflection, I probably wouldn't have been very spritely at NoVAMoMe even if I'd made plans to attend. Some virus has been dragging down my family's energy pretty badly all week long.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 21, 2026 09:34 PM (xVpNO)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2026 09:30 PM (0sNs1)
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I couldn't remember when I included that for tonight if it was the "fourth shot" video of shame.
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I couldn't remember when I included that for tonight if it was the "fourth shot" video of shame.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:35 PM (ei1sX)
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202 Amusing side note: The base rifle I shot yesterday has an MSRP of under $1,000. I've done some minor upgrades, bolt lift kit, replaced the barrel because I wore out the original, trigger kit, etc. But, anyone who tells you you need to spend a fortune on a custom gun to get started shooting long range, well, no, not really. However, we won't discuss the cost of reloading gear. Sure, reloading your own saves you money...until you realize you shoot more.
Posted by: Blake
Software beats hardware on the range, but as you said, money spent on hi end reloading gear, premium brass, etc. can go well beyond a rifle.
Not for me, I'm afraid as I don't think I will probably ever be shooting hard recoiling rifles and shotguns again. We will see at the one year mark after my back surgery. I am probably downsizing my collection of old milsurps soon and selling off the reloading equipment for those weirdo military rounds while keeping a few for sentimental reasons or due to appreciating prices.
Posted by: Blake
Software beats hardware on the range, but as you said, money spent on hi end reloading gear, premium brass, etc. can go well beyond a rifle.
Not for me, I'm afraid as I don't think I will probably ever be shooting hard recoiling rifles and shotguns again. We will see at the one year mark after my back surgery. I am probably downsizing my collection of old milsurps soon and selling off the reloading equipment for those weirdo military rounds while keeping a few for sentimental reasons or due to appreciating prices.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:36 PM (E4rtv)
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Take Auto 5's apart as a last resort and if you are in there, replace all the springs and worn parts. I have a pre War with a suicide safety (trigger guard) and it is a beast, but you have to set the friction rings right.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:18 PM (E4rtv)
Yeah. This one has the suicide safety, which won't move at all right now. My game plan: Remove the stock, wash out the receiver and action with brake cleaner, blow out with compressed air, oil lightly with suitable oil, and reassemble. Buddy who owns it was shooting gophers with target loads, and it failed to eject. This gun is pretty beat up, and has had a hard life, I expect.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:18 PM (E4rtv)
Yeah. This one has the suicide safety, which won't move at all right now. My game plan: Remove the stock, wash out the receiver and action with brake cleaner, blow out with compressed air, oil lightly with suitable oil, and reassemble. Buddy who owns it was shooting gophers with target loads, and it failed to eject. This gun is pretty beat up, and has had a hard life, I expect.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 09:36 PM (1z8ji)
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Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (E4rtv)
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Shooting is optional! Coming to visit is just fine.
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Shooting is optional! Coming to visit is just fine.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:37 PM (ei1sX)
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Thank you Horde and thank you Weasel!
I learned stuff and have more questions than I started with. May your collective crawl spaces be clear of problems.
I learned stuff and have more questions than I started with. May your collective crawl spaces be clear of problems.
Posted by: TRex - unkestrelized dino at June 21, 2026 09:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Finishing my Flor de Oliva as the gun thread slows down. No shooting activities this week.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (hWzgv)
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Nice. I found some of those in deep storage the other day and have a couple on deck for this week.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:31 PM (hWzgv)
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Nice. I found some of those in deep storage the other day and have a couple on deck for this week.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:39 PM (ei1sX)
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I learned stuff and have more questions than I started with. May your collective crawl spaces be clear of problems.
Posted by: TRex - unkestrelized dino at June 21, 2026 09:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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You have my contact info!
Posted by: TRex - unkestrelized dino at June 21, 2026 09:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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You have my contact info!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:40 PM (ei1sX)
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Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of the AK-47.
In January 2014, a letter that Kalashnikov wrote six months before his death to the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, was published by the Russian daily newspaper Izvestia. In the letter, he stated that he was suffering "spiritual pain" about whether he was responsible for the deaths caused by the weapons he created. Translated from the published letter he states, "I keep having the same unsolved question: if my rifle claimed people's lives, then can it be that I... a Christian and an Orthodox believer, was to blame for their deaths?"
The patriarch wrote back, thanked Kalashnikov, and said that he "was an example of patriotism and a correct attitude toward the country". Kirill added about the design responsibility for the deaths by the rifle, "the church has a well-defined position when the weapon is defense of the Motherland, the Church supports its creators and the military, which use it."
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I agree with the patriarch. A weapon is a tool. The designer isn't responsible for misuse.
In January 2014, a letter that Kalashnikov wrote six months before his death to the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, was published by the Russian daily newspaper Izvestia. In the letter, he stated that he was suffering "spiritual pain" about whether he was responsible for the deaths caused by the weapons he created. Translated from the published letter he states, "I keep having the same unsolved question: if my rifle claimed people's lives, then can it be that I... a Christian and an Orthodox believer, was to blame for their deaths?"
The patriarch wrote back, thanked Kalashnikov, and said that he "was an example of patriotism and a correct attitude toward the country". Kirill added about the design responsibility for the deaths by the rifle, "the church has a well-defined position when the weapon is defense of the Motherland, the Church supports its creators and the military, which use it."
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I agree with the patriarch. A weapon is a tool. The designer isn't responsible for misuse.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 21, 2026 09:40 PM (ndZc7)
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honestly, really solid. I had a few low-right strings on dot torture yesterday but I'm happy with what's happening. I have other guns I love but I shoot Glocks well and I have hi-cap mags for them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
And the mags will be available for a long time at a reasonable price. That is what is problematic for a number of people, these rapidly changing models mean that magazines aren't available for boutique brands for long at a cheap price. They are using magazines as a driver of profits from a lot of handgun mfgs. Glock and Springfield XD are the exception but the newer Springfields seem to following S&W, Beretta, or other mfg pricing.
Bersas in particular can be ridiculous, you get the pistol cheap and then pay out the wazoo for mags. $299 firearm with a $50 per mag.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
And the mags will be available for a long time at a reasonable price. That is what is problematic for a number of people, these rapidly changing models mean that magazines aren't available for boutique brands for long at a cheap price. They are using magazines as a driver of profits from a lot of handgun mfgs. Glock and Springfield XD are the exception but the newer Springfields seem to following S&W, Beretta, or other mfg pricing.
Bersas in particular can be ridiculous, you get the pistol cheap and then pay out the wazoo for mags. $299 firearm with a $50 per mag.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:40 PM (E4rtv)
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Open thread in the time remaining for Doof jokes.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:41 PM (ei1sX)
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Actually have what might be a dumb question for you Weasel. Noticed in your 1917 video that your front bag setup is pretty high, two bags stacked up. Seems like that would cause the dreaded wobbly shit, but seems to work for you. Is that to get you up higher in a more comfortable shooting position?
Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:44 PM (rmzEU)
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It's quiet here. Too quiet.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 21, 2026 09:44 PM (ndZc7)
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Yeah. This one has the suicide safety, which won't move at all right now. My game plan: Remove the stock, wash out the receiver and action with brake cleaner, blow out with compressed air, oil lightly with suitable oil, and reassemble. Buddy who owns it was shooting gophers with target loads, and it failed to eject. This gun is pretty beat up, and has had a hard life, I expect.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Start with the friction rings, you can find Auto 5 manuals online. My guess is the friction rings are buggered and perhaps congealed old grease.
I would use sewing machine oil for lube or the old 3-1. The tolerances are fine on the parts of them in those shotguns and they used really light oils back in the day for lube as they lubed field guns and cleaned them each day they used them.
And be careful with the brake cleaner, use the non chlorinated stuff as that can affect the rather thin bluing on those Auto 5s. Odorless mineral spirits would do as well (which is often what the non chlorinated stuff is anyway). And the rest you know, light grease on sliding surfaces, oil around pivot points.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Start with the friction rings, you can find Auto 5 manuals online. My guess is the friction rings are buggered and perhaps congealed old grease.
I would use sewing machine oil for lube or the old 3-1. The tolerances are fine on the parts of them in those shotguns and they used really light oils back in the day for lube as they lubed field guns and cleaned them each day they used them.
And be careful with the brake cleaner, use the non chlorinated stuff as that can affect the rather thin bluing on those Auto 5s. Odorless mineral spirits would do as well (which is often what the non chlorinated stuff is anyway). And the rest you know, light grease on sliding surfaces, oil around pivot points.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:45 PM (E4rtv)
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Have a good one, weasel! Thanks for the thread.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 21, 2026 09:45 PM (UJMvS)
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And the mags will be available for a long time at a reasonable price. That is what is problematic for a number of people, these rapidly changing models mean that magazines aren't available for boutique brands for long at a cheap price. They are using magazines as a driver of profits from a lot of handgun mfgs. Glock and Springfield XD are the exception but the newer Springfields seem to following S&W, Beretta, or other mfg pricing.
Bersas in particular can be ridiculous, you get the pistol cheap and then pay out the wazoo for mags. $299 firearm with a $50 per mag.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:40 PM (E4rtv)
WA state's ammo restrictions really killed my interest in buying new tools. Luckily I stocked up on a variety of mags for my EDC options. Still...it's a barrier and started me on this trajectory.
Bersas in particular can be ridiculous, you get the pistol cheap and then pay out the wazoo for mags. $299 firearm with a $50 per mag.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:40 PM (E4rtv)
WA state's ammo restrictions really killed my interest in buying new tools. Luckily I stocked up on a variety of mags for my EDC options. Still...it's a barrier and started me on this trajectory.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:45 PM (xcxpd)
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Shooting is optional! Coming to visit is just fine.
Posted by: Weasel
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What you are saying is that you need a target I guess (LOL). I warn you, I can't run fast so not much of a challenge in leading shots.
Posted by: Weasel
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What you are saying is that you need a target I guess (LOL). I warn you, I can't run fast so not much of a challenge in leading shots.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:47 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:44 PM (rmzEU)
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Excellent observation! The short answer is yes, I need the extra height due to my using a higher rear bag. I sort of just grabbed what I had available at the farm that day. That setup is much less than ideal, but worked out ok for video exhibition purposes.
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Excellent observation! The short answer is yes, I need the extra height due to my using a higher rear bag. I sort of just grabbed what I had available at the farm that day. That setup is much less than ideal, but worked out ok for video exhibition purposes.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:48 PM (ei1sX)
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And be careful with the brake cleaner, use the non chlorinated stuff as that can affect the rather thin bluing on those Auto 5s. Odorless mineral spirits would do as well (which is often what the non chlorinated stuff is anyway). And the rest you know, light grease on sliding surfaces, oil around pivot points.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:45 PM (E4rtv)
The brake cleaner I have is the non-chlorinated kind. I'm sure I have some real light oil here, but maybe a spray can of some sort of light gun oil would be better?
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:45 PM (E4rtv)
The brake cleaner I have is the non-chlorinated kind. I'm sure I have some real light oil here, but maybe a spray can of some sort of light gun oil would be better?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 09:48 PM (1z8ji)
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Nite Blake!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:49 PM (ei1sX)
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WA state's ammo restrictions really killed my interest in buying new tools. Luckily I stocked up on a variety of mags for my EDC options. Still...it's a barrier and started me on this trajectory.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Simplicity has a virtue of its own. I have too many to shoot and maintain much anymore and for the same reason, looking to trim down the collection to manageable size.
Weasel, if you are still interested in original content, I am about to pull old milsurp bolt action rifles out, clean them, and prepare them for sale which means pictures, etc. I'll try to send you some pix and a brief writeup on some of them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Simplicity has a virtue of its own. I have too many to shoot and maintain much anymore and for the same reason, looking to trim down the collection to manageable size.
Weasel, if you are still interested in original content, I am about to pull old milsurp bolt action rifles out, clean them, and prepare them for sale which means pictures, etc. I'll try to send you some pix and a brief writeup on some of them.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:49 PM (E4rtv)
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Open thread in the time remaining for Doof jokes.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:41 PM (ei1sX)
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So I can say what I want? Well, let me tell you something, pal!....
Open thread in the time remaining for Doof jokes.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:41 PM (ei1sX)
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So I can say what I want? Well, let me tell you something, pal!....
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 21, 2026 09:50 PM (O0L8i)
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Doof is a joke?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 09:50 PM (2YhKe)
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Good night all. As Hrothgar says, Corsicana in October.
Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2026 09:51 PM (LHPAg)
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The brake cleaner I have is the non-chlorinated kind. I'm sure I have some real light oil here, but maybe a spray can of some sort of light gun oil would be better?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Rem oil is cheap and quite good. Sewing machine or clock oil is very good. I tend to use lubriplate for the grease on rifles as it is non toxic and I have a garand and m1 carbine.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Rem oil is cheap and quite good. Sewing machine or clock oil is very good. I tend to use lubriplate for the grease on rifles as it is non toxic and I have a garand and m1 carbine.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:51 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:49 PM (E4rtv)
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Sounds great! Thanks. To all of you who have sent me stuff, I swear I will get to it eventually. I'm a little bit of a lazy-bones lately and typically leave writing the thread until Sunday afternoon. I need to get better about that!
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Sounds great! Thanks. To all of you who have sent me stuff, I swear I will get to it eventually. I'm a little bit of a lazy-bones lately and typically leave writing the thread until Sunday afternoon. I need to get better about that!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:51 PM (ei1sX)
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I had to at least SEE "The Astounding She-Monster!", so I skipped around a bit. Looks like quite the film....sometimes she walks slowly away from people as dramatic music plays, and sometimes she walks slowly towards them. Certainly cute, and that outfit shows some curves, but the 50s "punch sbooting" style doesn't seem very effective...it didn't slow "The Astounding She-Monster!" down at all!!!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 21, 2026 09:52 PM (ycI94)
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Excellent observation! The short answer is yes, I need the extra height due to my using a higher rear bag. I sort of just grabbed what I had available at the farm that day. That setup is much less than ideal, but worked out ok for video exhibition purposes.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:48 PM (ei1sX)
Thanks Weasel. I’d actually like a little higher rear bag as sometimes I have issues at my range getting the rear of the gun high enough to get on target. Was going to make a couple wood or cardboard shims to go under my current rear bag. Do you happen to remember the maker and model of rear bag you were using?
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:48 PM (ei1sX)
Thanks Weasel. I’d actually like a little higher rear bag as sometimes I have issues at my range getting the rear of the gun high enough to get on target. Was going to make a couple wood or cardboard shims to go under my current rear bag. Do you happen to remember the maker and model of rear bag you were using?
Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:52 PM (rmzEU)
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That setup is much less than ideal, but worked out ok for video exhibition purposes.
Posted by: Weasel
Uh oh, you will find it hard to live down now. You should have pulled the inscrutable Weasel Fu--
"Grasshopper, when you can catch a fly in the hand, then you can learn the secrets of my shooting bags" or some such.
Posted by: Weasel
Uh oh, you will find it hard to live down now. You should have pulled the inscrutable Weasel Fu--
"Grasshopper, when you can catch a fly in the hand, then you can learn the secrets of my shooting bags" or some such.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:53 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 21, 2026 09:52 PM (rmzEU)
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100% I do. Protektor Shooting Bags in PA. Just search for Protektor and you'll find them. Very very very very highly recommended. Great people and products. If you don't see what you want online, just call them. Great folks!
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100% I do. Protektor Shooting Bags in PA. Just search for Protektor and you'll find them. Very very very very highly recommended. Great people and products. If you don't see what you want online, just call them. Great folks!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:56 PM (8gM3l)
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190 jah, most years. This year I was on vacation and nobody else felt like organizing it. Typically happens in May.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:22 PM (xcxpd)
Oh, I'll watch for it next year! I have a database conference I attend every May, but hopefully I can make it.
How big of a crowd is it? If you want someone else to do it next year, I have a cabin on Mt Hood I could offer. I'm mostly just a lurker, but I've been reading off and on for many years.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 21, 2026 09:22 PM (xcxpd)
Oh, I'll watch for it next year! I have a database conference I attend every May, but hopefully I can make it.
How big of a crowd is it? If you want someone else to do it next year, I have a cabin on Mt Hood I could offer. I'm mostly just a lurker, but I've been reading off and on for many years.
Posted by: frammish at June 21, 2026 09:56 PM (rcENI)
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 09:58 PM (ei1sX)
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 10:04 PM (ei1sX)
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Augh!
Posted by: the hampsters at June 21, 2026 10:05 PM (VHUov)
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Buddy who owns it was shooting gophers with target loads, and it failed to eject. This gun is pretty beat up, and has had a hard life, I expect.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 09:36 PM (1z8ji)
Check the brass friction rings around the magazine tube. There is a configuration for heavy recouping loads, and a different one for light loads.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 09:36 PM (1z8ji)
Check the brass friction rings around the magazine tube. There is a configuration for heavy recouping loads, and a different one for light loads.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 21, 2026 10:05 PM (bhZyo)
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Weasel! What did you do to Doof?
Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2026 10:05 PM (OoFl2)
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240 Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 09:53 PM (E4rtv)
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I have again shamed my ancestors!
Posted by: Weasel
Seppuku is not allowed. We would have to run the Gun Thread and then the caliber wars would flare anew 45 v 9 30-06-308, madness lies that way.
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I have again shamed my ancestors!
Posted by: Weasel
Seppuku is not allowed. We would have to run the Gun Thread and then the caliber wars would flare anew 45 v 9 30-06-308, madness lies that way.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 10:06 PM (E4rtv)
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Weasel! What did you do to Doof?
Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2026 10:05 PM (OoFl2)
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I fear I have tormented him with ridicule!
Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2026 10:05 PM (OoFl2)
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I fear I have tormented him with ridicule!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 10:06 PM (ei1sX)
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I miss Doof.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 21, 2026 10:07 PM (2YhKe)
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ONT is Up!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 10:07 PM (qx7Zg)
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Well…it was a wonderful ONT, folks. Take my word for it!
Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2026 10:07 PM (OoFl2)
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Schwoo! Nite everybody!!
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 10:09 PM (ei1sX)
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