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Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 6/20/2026

Hugo



The movie world continues to make quality films from time to time, and fifteen years ago Martin Scorsese released what I think is one of his best films, the adaptation of the novel The Invention of Hugo Cabret by Brian Selznick. The novel is a children's novel, several hundred pages long but with minimal words on each page and heavily illustrated in black and white pictures. However, I did not care at all about the novel when the film was announced. All I cared about was that Martin Scorsese was making a new movie.

It came, it went. I saw it in theaters, but it was a financial failure. Most people seem to have completely forgotten about it, most people seemingly dismissing it because it's a Scorsese movie that's not a gangster movie. That's all he makes, right? And he's making a children's movie? In 3D? He jumped on that bandwagon? There is every reason to ignore this, right?

Well, I love the film. I've purchased it twice (once on Blu-ray and once the 4K disc), and I've seen it half a dozen times. A couple of weeks ago, though, I decided to actually read the source novel with an eye towards the questions of adaptation. What did Scorsese (and screenwriter John Logan) change? What did they add? What did they take away?

The Story


The story itself is obviously something that would attract Scorsese. It's about the title character Hugo Cabret, an orphan in 1928 whose father died in a fire in a museum where he was working. Hugo's uncle took him in. Claude Cabret maintains the clocks in Gare-du-Nord in Paris. However, we start the story with Hugo alone, his uncle having disappeared for months, maintaining the clocks himself and stealing parts from the toy store in the train station owned by Papa Georges. Hugo is stealing parts to fix an automaton that Hugo's father found in the museum, convinced that it will provide him some kind of secret message from his father once fixed.

Hugo gets caught by Papa Georges, forced to work for him to retrieve the notebook his father had kept detailing the progress with repairs, befriends Papa Georges' goddaughter Isabelle, and discovers that Papa Georges not only designed the automaton but is also George Melies, the pioneering French filmmaker. Hugo's discovery of Papa Georges through the automaton ends up fixing both Hugo's lack of family and Papa Georges' sense of failure at having been forgotten by the world, having been forced to sell his movies to a chemical company who melted them down for heels for women's shoes. The discovery also brings the attention of a French film academic who brings Melies back to the limelight, and all is well with the world of Hugo Cabret.

All of this is nearly identical in both film and novel. The movement of the plot has a handful of changes into a film. Hugo and Isabelle get injured near the middle of the novel, and that's been excised. There's an extra character, Etienne, who acts as a middle-man to connect Hugo and the film academic in the book who's completely gone in the film. However, those are relatively small changes. Hugo's journey, the overall structure of the story, and the dual character repairs between Hugo and Georges are the same. Scorsese took out very little.

He did add a lot, though.

Broader and Deeper


It seems obvious that Brian Selznick enjoys movies. The book is about movies, movie history, and even the use of illustrations in the film are meant to mimic camera movements. There's an opening series of illustrations that effectively make it a pan and zoom from outside Paris in the sky and into Gare-du-Nord (which Scorsese replicates in the film).

However, no matter how much Selznick enjoys movies, he does not enjoy movies nearly as much as Martin Scorsese, the man whose childhood was defined by looking out his apartment window in NYC at the kids who could play while he couldn't because of his asthma as well as watching movies on television (where he was first exposed to the films of the British-based duo Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger, the Archers). He also established The Film Foundation, an organization dedicated to preserving and restoring films. He has a very long history of loving, protecting, and making films. He knows a lot.

And what he added into the adaptation was mostly related to side characters that help broaden the story's emotional impact but also deepen the story's appreciation of film, in particular with regard to French film history.

Tati


The additions to the story are mainly around four characters. The station inspector is in the novel, mainly as a generic antagonistic force without much character. Madame Emile and Monsieur Frick are essentially just named store owners who end up helping chase Hugo around late in the novel.

All three of these characters get a lot more time in the film. Madame Emile and Monsieur Frick's additions are mostly silent as Frick tries to woo Emile, but Emile's dog snips at the man. It's just a minor little subplot and comedic drama as the two try to find ways to connect despite the dog. It ends with Frick getting his own dog, and it's a nice addition. Showing another pair of people finding a connection in the train station, a minor way to reinforce the movie's central ideas.

The station inspector gets the most attention, being that antagonistic presence in the story, and the most additions come from a new character created for the film, Lisette. She is a middle-aged woman who sells flowers in the train station that the station inspector yearns for but can't speak to. There are these wonderful moments where the station inspector simply struggles to approach her because of him being very self-conscious of the metal brace on his leg, necessary because of a wound from WWI, and these moments strike me clearly as references to the comedy films of Jacques Tati.

Jacques Tati was a French filmmaker whose cinematic persona was centered around his character M. Hulot. M. Hulot was the star of several of his films, a perennially polite man befuddled by and trying to navigate in a modern world that was increasingly absurd and distancing. His most well-known film is Playtime, a film he self-financed that was also a financial bomb that lead him to living in, essentially, destitution for the rest of his life. The central element of it was the large set called Tativille, a shiny, urban environment with large interior sets and exterior sites that is often held up as one of the most impressive feats in production design in film history.

It's hard not to see a comparison between Tativille and Scorsese's bringing of Gare-du-Nord to cinematic life. A large set (with digital extensions, this ain't all real) filled with human life with bits of human comedy that recall the style of storytelling that Tati did? If this isn't a Tati-inspired series of choices, I'll eat my hat.

Now, this is not important in and of itself. Police Academy 6: City Under Siege has Jacques Tati references, and it's supposedly not very good (I haven't seen it, I just know that the references are there). References don't make films good or bad. However, Scorsese isn't just referencing Tati, he's bringing human emotion to the references that add to the central emotional core. The station inspector finding ways to connect with Lisette despite his feelings of brokenness because of his leg mirrors Hugo and Papa Georges finding each other and fixing each other. It's just told in this Tati-esque manner at the same time.

Adaptation


Is the book always better?

It's a common enough assumption and impression, but I always imagine some kind of long-form adaptation of Jaws that completely lacks the excitement and punch of the Steven Spielberg film but retains more of the novel by Peter Benchley. Hugo, though, is going to be my central counter-argument from now on, though.

Brian Selznick wrote a good book. It's definitely for children, but the combination of story, characters, illustrations, and ending come together to make a satisfying little adventure through a French train station and early cinema history.

Martin Scorsese, though, makes it so much more. He takes everything that's good of the book, and he finds ways to make it all simply better. He finds ways to make the emotional impact hit harder. He finds ways to make the appreciation of cinema more encompassing. He finds ways to bring all these additions together to create a finished product that ends up feeling like an improved draft, like Scorsese acted as an editor who pushed the story into new, better directions that feel natural from the intention of the original author.

The Invention of Hugo Cabret was a book that wanted to be a movie. Martin Scorsese made it into Hugo using all of his technical skill and cinematic acumen to do it.

It is honestly one of the best examples of adaptation I can think of.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Toy Story 5

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

The Brides of Dracula (Rating 2/4) Full Review "This is a film that seems to have so little story that it just revels in prim properness for long stretches, and it just sucks all the joys the film could have out of it." [Library]

The Two Faces of Dr. Jekyll, or House of Fright, or Jekyll's Inferno (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "It entertains well enough, but it really could have reached a bit higher. " [YouTube]

Sword of Sherwood Forest (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Honestly, the film doesn't ask too much, and it largely delivers. That's not too bad." [Tubi]

A Weekend with Lulu (Rating 1/4) Full Review "Really, the film is light in tone but unable to find any comic reason to really exist even though the situation, characters, and setting are actually rife with that potential." [Library]

The Curse of the Werewolf (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Could this have been the great werewolf movie? I really think so. Hammer was never going to invest in the three hour version, though, so I have to celebrate the solid werewolf adventure I got." [Archive.org]

Taste of Fear, or Scream of Fear (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Effective, stylish, and intelligent, this is a quality find." [YouTube]

Cash on Demand (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "It's a marvelous character study, impeccably performed, and exactingly filmed." [YouTube]

Captain Clegg, or Night Creatures (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Still, the adventure, performances, and look of the film are fun. " [Library]

Please check out my videos from the last few weeks:

John Ford: The Directors Series
John Ford: The Definitive Ranking
Alexander Mackendrick: The Directors Series
Alexander Mackendrick: The Definitive Ranking
David Lynch: The Directors Series
David Lynch: The Definitive Ranking

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1
*looks about*
*shakes head*
*leaves quietly*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 20, 2026 07:49 PM (O0L8i)

2 Open channel D

Posted by: Open Channel D at June 20, 2026 07:51 PM (tgTrV)

3 *looks about*
*shakes head*
*leaves quietly*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Better than scratching before leaving.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 20, 2026 07:52 PM (B0dAE)

4 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2026 07:54 PM (Ia/+0)

5 I'm tempted to copy and paste my YouTube comment here.

Or to write an essay of my own on this topic.

I will say that all directors who are adapting some other work are acting like an editor, I agree with TJM there. But very, very few filmmakers are GOOD enough at it to improve the source material. Most bungle it, miss the point, or maybe (probably often) never actually read or studied it.

Park Chan-Wook actually improved on LeCarre's 'Little Drummer Girl', shockingly enough. Ridley Scott's Blade Runner (and throw in a word or two for the many people who altered the first screenplay) is much better than Dick's 'Do Antroids Dream of Electric Sheep'.

Improving on a work is rare, but it's uncommon for an adaptation to even be competent. Often there's a lot of contraversies even by the successful adaptations like Peter Jackson's adaptation of 'Lord of the Rings' or Zach Snyder's adaptation of 'The Watchmen'.

Hugo though, I don't like it. It didn't move me and kinda low-key annoyed me, frankly. Blame Sasha Baron Cohen if you must, he's part of it, but not the only part.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 20, 2026 07:58 PM (xcxpd)

6 Yes electric sleep is unadaplable havent seen the latest drummer girl adaptation

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:04 PM (bXbFr)

7 Unadaptable

Watchmen was probably faithful but i didnt care for it

Snyder seems to have brought the bug into the dcu

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:07 PM (bXbFr)

8 I often say I don't go to see a movie because its from some director. I saw A Straight Sory, really liked it maybe a year ago and had no idea it was done by David Lynch until the directors series.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2026 08:08 PM (Ia/+0)

9 5
Most bungle it, miss the point, or maybe (probably often) never actually read or studied it.


Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 20, 2026 07:58 PM (xcxpd)

====

Verhoeven bragged that he never finished reading Starship Troopers.

Posted by: TJM's phone at June 20, 2026 08:08 PM (Zn6QU)

10 Cavill is mostly charmless because of the script

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:08 PM (bXbFr)

11 I thought Hugo was boring but it did introduce me to Georges Méliès. So if Scorsese's aim was to shame film preservationists into doing their job, which I have to assume it was... it succeeded.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 08:09 PM (gKWVE)

12 He shows a lot of charm in other projects

Corenswet has some of reeves manner but still too emo

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:10 PM (bXbFr)

13 Maybe its a question all creatives should ask themselves when taking on a story from another medium.

"Can I make it better?"

Posted by: TJM's phone at June 20, 2026 08:10 PM (Zn6QU)

14 Kate Bush, "Hammer Horror":

https://tinyurl.com/2ufzzvv6

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 20, 2026 08:10 PM (kpS4V)

15 Never saw Hugo and never read the source, so no opinion on the adaptation. But Scorsese directed the remake of Cape Fear, which annoyed me more than I thought possible; the original version did a decent job, though it softened John D. MacDonald's ending a bit, while the remake threw away much of the story's core. Still can't believe Scorsese didn't realize what he was doing when he did that.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:11 PM (q3u5l)

16 I'm pretty sure Verhoeven did read the book. He just skipped Heinlein's extended rant 3/4 of the way through. That's where Heinlein was bitching about how inefficient and bloated the armed forces in the "past" (read: the Navy in the 1950s) had become.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 08:11 PM (gKWVE)

17 Yes some of thr projects are grand ive tried to get through metropolis twice

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:11 PM (bXbFr)

18 Nazi beverly hill (buenod aires area code)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:15 PM (bXbFr)

19 I never saw Hugo

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2026 08:15 PM (Ia/+0)

20 He wanted to show brutality unredeemed (thats the point of scorsese)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:16 PM (bXbFr)

21 I was scrolling through Tubi this afternoon (I live a very exciting life) when I came across a show I used to like back in the day, Tenspeed and Brown Shoe. And guess who played Brown Shoe. Jeff Goldblum. I guess he's done everything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 20, 2026 08:17 PM (ndZc7)

22 A long long time ago

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:20 PM (bXbFr)

23 I liked Hugo but Mrs. Wrecks hated it for reasons unknown. She does hate any syfy and Hugo is, kind of.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 20, 2026 08:20 PM (ndZc7)

24 Armor by John Steakley, a movie of that one would be primo. If they don’t screw it up.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2026 08:22 PM (LHPAg)

25 Which movie of those discussed was Henry Cavill in?

Posted by: Wenda at June 20, 2026 08:22 PM (iIAkP)

26 Brutality unredeemed? Wasn't the core of the original film version of Cape Fear, or of John D. MacDonald's source novel The Executioners. The family in the book and the original film were straight arrows; the family in the remake was a mess and IIRC Nick Nolte's character had deliberately done a crappy job on DeNiro's trial and got him sent up. In the source, the core of the story wasn't simply the menace of Max Cady -- it was watching the main characters having to cast aside their adherence to the rules in order to protect themselves. Scorsese threw all that away.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:25 PM (q3u5l)

27 21 I was scrolling through Tubi this afternoon (I live a very exciting life) when I came across a show I used to like back in the day, Tenspeed and Brown Shoe. And guess who played Brown Shoe. Jeff Goldblum. I guess he's done everything.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 20, 2026 08:17 PM (ndZc7)
--

My mom and I liked that show back in the day. Jeff was so young! I liked that he kept the name Goldblum (I dunno, were they still telling actors to take whitebread names by that point?).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 20, 2026 08:25 PM (kpS4V)

28
Admittedly, I saw "Hugo" on streaming.

But, it didn't do much for me.

I felt like I was watching a guy exhaustively showing me his matchbook collection,

and his enthusiasm didn't connect with me.

Now, a Scorsese box office failure movie that deserves much more love IMHO is "Bringing Out the Dead"

A great movie in which Scorsese doesn't show his cards until the very end, which incidentally is the way I love movies and novels to unfold.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2026 08:26 PM (iJfKG)

29 When I worked at the bookstore, I had quite a few customers come in looking for the Mark Savage novels from the Tenspeed and Brownshoe series. They were always disappointed when I told them the books had just been made up for the show and didn't really exist. Wouldn't have minded reading 'em myself, actually -- the Goldblum voice overs reading from them were delightful.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:28 PM (q3u5l)

30 Umm, Prometheus.

*ducks*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 08:29 PM (u/oMr)

31 We watched Pressure a couple of weeks ago. Brendan Fraser does a decent job of portraying Gen. Eisenhower. However, Andrew Scott (portraying the Brit. meteorologist Group Captain James Stagg) steals the show. Scott just dominates every scene he is in.

For those unaware, D-Day was originally planned to occur on June 5th, but Gp. Capt. Stagg warned that the weather was going to be severe on that day. D-Day was delayed to June 6th, and the rest is history.

I noticed in the final credits that the movie was based upon a stage play. Almost everything takes place in a few offices.

The only thing that I thought was a mistake in the film was a scene with a squad of American GIs getting drunk in camp while waiting to embark the landing craft. They would have actually been tossed into the stockade.

I suspect the film does that to give the audience some soldiers to bond with during the invasion scene. Historical film footage was colorized: usually pretty decently, but some was a bit grainy.

Interesting little movie definitely worth a viewing.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 20, 2026 08:30 PM (ksbjf)

32
I love "The Brides of Dracula " for all its flaws.

It was probably the first quality horror movie I ever saw.

I bought it and still watch it every 1-2 years despite its loungeurs.

It has the best ending of any vampire movie and all the beautiful ladies a 9(?) year old boy could want.

Not perfect but give it a watch. It has a pretty good story as well.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2026 08:31 PM (iJfKG)

33 Seems like Jeff started out in indie movies, where his name didn't matter because, who was gonna watch it? They became cult classics anyway. So by the time The Fly came out and he scored the lead, he had already made his name by being Goldblum.
Emelio Estevez is an interesting case. His Spaniard father (and brother) were "Sheen". Estevez decided he was going to try representing his people (he was literally whiter than Jesus, but whatevs).

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 08:33 PM (gKWVE)

34 An interview with Marty and his amazing eyebrows about "Hugo":

https://tinyurl.com/2unap3v5

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 20, 2026 08:33 PM (kpS4V)

35 Long time since I've seen Brides of Dracula (my first Hammer film, I think -- saw it when it first came out); may be due for a revisit. Haven't seen all of Hammer's stuff, but usually enjoyed what I saw.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:34 PM (q3u5l)

36 Hugo is awesome in 3D. Martin Scorsese screened 3-D prints of House of Wax (1953) and Dial M for Murder (1954) for the cast and crew as part of the preparation for filming this movie in 3-D. They properly used 3D to help relate the story rather than just as a gimmick.

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at June 20, 2026 08:34 PM (NZIuw)

37 The fun bit of movie lore John Derbyshire likes to tell is that he was, like Goldblum, a thug in a famous action movie. "The Way of the Dragon" starring... Bruce Lee.
Derbyshire chose a different path.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 08:35 PM (gKWVE)

38 If memory serves, one of Jeff Goldblum's first screen roles was as a member of the group of thugs that kill Hope Lange in the original Death Wish movie.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:36 PM (q3u5l)

39 Yes its pretty good in the hammer oevre

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:37 PM (bXbFr)

40 Yes he was in deathwish

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:38 PM (bXbFr)

41 I love a guy who has an oeuvre.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 08:39 PM (u/oMr)

42 It was based on a much older vampire tale of the 18th century

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:40 PM (bXbFr)

43
* looks at watch *

Posted by: zombie Russ Meyer at June 20, 2026 08:40 PM (0sNs1)

44 They really leaned on austrian themes rather than romanian

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:41 PM (bXbFr)

45 Verhoeven bragged that he never finished reading Starship Troopers.
Posted by: TJM's phone at June 20, 2026 08:08 PM (Zn6QU)


And thus missed the theme about citizenship and military service. Verhoeven focused solely on "hunting bugs" and we got cheated-out of the powered armor used by the Mobile Infantry. Oh, he also completely missed the point of Heinlein's novel and re-imagined the society as being ruled by some sort of neo-Nazi government.

Doogie Houser showing up looking like a WWII Wehrmacht officer was another kick in the 'nads for fans of the novel.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 20, 2026 08:41 PM (ksbjf)

46 My biggest regrets in life have been seeing what I cannot unsee.

Porn in the 70's.

Shitty films ever since.

Read "The Moviegoer" by Percy Walker.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 08:46 PM (qFwJc)

47 Its a poor excuse its a short book

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:47 PM (bXbFr)

48 Starship Troopers was great (the book) you only the right to vote (franchise) if you serve.

Verhoeven is and was a shitstain on the underwear of Hollywood.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 08:48 PM (qFwJc)

49 Verhoeven bragged that he never finished reading Starship Troopers.
Posted by: TJM's phone at June 20, 2026 08:08 PM (Zn6QU)

What bothered me the most about that movie was how abjectly stupid the 'mobile infantry' was. They walk casually down a 'road' in the desert, no support, no scouts, no nothing... And when a flying bug grabs a commutations guy, the soldiers just stand around looking worried, and eventually the officer shoots the human, and lets the bug fly off.

Even as a teenager, that felt like an insult to my intelligence. And Veerhoven wanted to make a morality play out of that idiocy? F--- that moron. My time would have been better spent watching the ExoSquad or Wing Commander cartoons.

Posted by: Castle Guy at June 20, 2026 08:50 PM (3v7ra)

50 While idly scrolling through a streaming service menu, I spotted the recently-produced Red Sonja movie. Part of me wants to watch that movie, just to know for sure if it is monumentally bad as it is reputed to be... But its existence is so insulting, I don't want to dignify it with a 'view' on a streaming platform... Meh. I suppose I'm okay not seeing it...

Posted by: Castle Guy at June 20, 2026 08:52 PM (3v7ra)

51 What bothered me the most about that movie was how abjectly stupid the 'mobile infantry' was. They walk casually down a 'road' in the desert, no support, no scouts, no nothing...

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Always protect your flanks.

Posted by: Marshal Georgiy Zhukov at June 20, 2026 08:53 PM (6/7Fs)

52
Lately, I've been rewatching Malcolm in the Middle on Hulu.

It's still great. Several laughs per show. I saw the Helper Monkey for Craig episode yesterday...I don't think I've laughed that hard in years.

Very much worth the rewatch.

Avoid the reboot at all costs. The ruined all the characters and turned the show into a fake and gay, trannie extravaganza. Nutkicks and Cuntpunts all around for that abomination.


Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2026 08:53 PM (iJfKG)

53 Starship Troopers was great (the book) you only the right to vote (franchise) if you serve.

Verhoeven is and was a shitstain on the underwear of Hollywood.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 08:48 PM (qFwJc)


Universal suffrage is a fatal flaw to a republic. The Founding Fathers knew this. We are actually living in the "mobocracy" the Founders feared.

You seem to have strong opinions about Verhoeven. LOL.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 20, 2026 08:55 PM (ksbjf)

54 50 While idly scrolling through a streaming service menu, I spotted the recently-produced Red Sonja movie. Part of me wants to watch that movie, just to know for sure if it is monumentally bad as it is reputed to be... But its existence is so insulting, I don't want to dignify it with a 'view' on a streaming platform... Meh. I suppose I'm okay not seeing it...
Posted by: Castle Guy at June 20, 2026 08:52 PM (3v7ra)
Will it be Black Sonja? Ghey Sonja? Moslem Sonja?

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2026 08:55 PM (LHPAg)

55 Yes its quite terrible

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:57 PM (bXbFr)

56
Watching the dinosaurs in Vietnam extravaganza, "Primitive War"

Starting slow, not sure if I'll keep with it. But, we're coming to the "WTF!!! There's dinosaurs here!!!" part so I still watch for now.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2026 08:57 PM (iJfKG)

57 More karen sonja

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:57 PM (bXbFr)

58 Dot, Not Feather Sonja

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 20, 2026 08:58 PM (ksbjf)

59 Starship Troopers is an ideal example of a movie made by someone who hates the source material. It does, however, have some good points. Nothing with Michael Ironside can be all bad. Clancy Brown wasn't bad either. I thought most of the bug effects were pretty good. And then there's Dina Meyer.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:59 PM (q3u5l)

60 How do they keep fouling up easy projects

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 08:59 PM (bXbFr)

61 Clancy is good in this and true about ironside who was last seen in nobody

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:00 PM (bXbFr)

62 I saw 2 films recently:

1) The Favourite, and

2) Tea With Mussolini

I loved The Favourite. A beautiful film about Queen Anne's early 18th century court... and Anne's supposed bisexuality. It has a wonderful ensemble cast. And the look of the film is just stunning!

I disliked Tea, one of Franco Zeffirelli's last films. The story drowns in treacle. I watched it on Amazon Prime, and I thought it was funny that it had subtitles for the English parts, which I could understand perfectly well without subtitles. But NO subtitles for the Italian parts, which I couldn't understand at all! But I got the gist of it. It's a mess.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:01 PM (RCjYY)

63 59 Starship Troopers is an ideal example of a movie made by someone who hates the source material. It does, however, have some good points

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The co-ed showers were the only thing that left an impression on my primitive male lambic consciousness.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 09:02 PM (6/7Fs)

64 Starship Troopers is an ideal example of a movie made by someone who hates the source material. It does, however, have some good points. Nothing with Michael Ironside can be all bad. Clancy Brown wasn't bad either. I thought most of the bug effects were pretty good. And then there's Dina Meyer.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:59 PM (q3u5l)


Yeah, I like "Starship Trooper", but I never read the novel.

It's a very well-made, and well-directed movie that know exactly the story it wants to tell. Linear plotting to a great ending.

And yes, Dina Meyer!!!! What ever happened to her?

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2026 09:02 PM (iJfKG)

65 Limbic.

Whatever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 09:02 PM (6/7Fs)

66 Close enough

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:04 PM (bXbFr)

67 Will it be Black Sonja? Ghey Sonja? Moslem Sonja?
Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2026 08:55 PM (LHPAg)

We almost got half of the first; the mixed-race actress who played Ghost in the marvel movies was attached to the project for a while. I'm assuming we got a bit of the second; with an alphabet-director adapting a comic written by a raging leftist. And the third....would have just been insulting, since the original book-version of Red Sonya was actively fighting Muslims at the Siege of Vienna...

Posted by: Castle Guy at June 20, 2026 09:05 PM (3v7ra)

68 Shes been in mostly direct to video fare

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:07 PM (bXbFr)

69 Dina Meyer's still working according to her IMDb entry -- more TV than features, it looks like.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:07 PM (q3u5l)

70 Possibly off topic, I've sort of always had idea's for movies but never really had any drive to put pen to paper as they say, so I got the bug and was looking at screenwriting software, tried a couple of them, they were all way overly complex and gui centric.

So I'm a neovim/vim/cli kind of guy, so I bashed together a config that basically looks like a word processor from the 80's but has screenwriting hooks.

I've been testing it out with the screenplay to Sinners.

Basically copying the entire structure verbatim, it's working out pretty good.

I will say this, reading the screenplay to Sinners is fascinating because what's on paper is so dry and matter of fact, and quite frankly boring, that I have no idea how that film got made or had any interest.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 20, 2026 09:07 PM (XV/Pl)

71 Last project was a variation on the graduate (still looks hawt)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:08 PM (bXbFr)

72 Cubicle farms -

I think most people would hate working in that cubicle farm in the pic above. Fake privacy.

Worked on this office building that had a cubicle farm largely divided up into groups of 2 x 3 like pips on a die, and divided into two large groups, half with six foot walls and the other half (near the windows) with four foot walls.
However, because of overall size of the space and walk-ways, not all groups were 2x3, there were some 2x2, 1x3...

But this one solo cubbie with four foot walls and walk-ways on all four sides. We called it 'the tank'. While sitting there anybody from any side walking could casually walk-by and make sure you are keeping your nose down to the grindstone.

In the land of cubicle hell that was the 9th circle, err square.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 20, 2026 09:08 PM (/lPRQ)

73 How so

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:09 PM (bXbFr)

74 Its certainly about racism and music and vampires

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:10 PM (bXbFr)

75 Well thats the subtext

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:12 PM (bXbFr)

76 Doogie Houser showing up looking like a WWII Wehrmacht officer was another kick in the 'nads for fans of the novel.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop


IIRC, Doogie really did a number on that bug's orifice with a big honking probe.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 20, 2026 09:14 PM (/lPRQ)

77 Do work in a cubical, yet see them all the time in new building
Actually look a lot more modern and if working in a occupied building seems people move a bit of home to them.

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2026 09:15 PM (Ia/+0)

78 72

Did you know this?

The 9th circle is the LEAST bad, IIRC. He put Judas Iscariot & Caesar's assassins in the 1st circle, I think.

Souls in the 9th circle were merely "buffeted by strong winds," I believe. Could be worse.

Dante also put a lot of Italian politicians in the 1st circle--people no-one today ever heard of. That's because Dante disliked them.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:16 PM (RCjYY)

79 And actually one of the more fascinating things about programming a config for screenplays is how rigid (that's a good thing) the structure is, makes life easy when there are a limited number of parameters.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 20, 2026 09:16 PM (XV/Pl)

80 May have to give Sinners another watch some time. Didn't find it dull, but it didn't do much for me either.

In one of Borges's essays or lectures, I think he said that if a book didn't appeal to you, you should set it aside -- the writer apparently wasn't talking to you and you should try the book later.

Same for movies, I think. There are an awful lot of movies and books these days that simply aren't talking to me.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:17 PM (q3u5l)

81 Kind of like with dan browns inferno when they change the ending because it is a horror (also they tone down the evil of the who)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:19 PM (bXbFr)

82 Kind of from dusk till dark in the south

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:20 PM (bXbFr)

83 addendum to post 78:

I erred. The 9th circle is the least bad-- where he put unbaptised infants, etc. The v1st circle is the really bad one, where he put Judas Iscariot & his own political enemies.

I DID saY IIRC.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:20 PM (RCjYY)

84 I DID saY IIRC.
Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:20 PM (RCjYY)

---------

I'll allow it.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Comment Propriety Review Referee at June 20, 2026 09:21 PM (6/7Fs)

85 I always get a kick out of Europe's bitch about the "far right." What is the far right? In my mind, the far right are Catholics. Intelligent, educated, resistant to state controlled schools teaching atheism.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:23 PM (qFwJc)

86 The Nine Circles
First Circle (Limbo) – Home to the unbaptized and virtuous pagans.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 20, 2026 09:23 PM (/lPRQ)

87 As I was reminded, Dante is not canon law.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:24 PM (qFwJc)

88 I dont know why sundance for inatance decides to bring classic superman (unless they want to make the new stuff)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:25 PM (bXbFr)

89 Dante also put a lot of Italian politicians in the 1st circle--people no-one today ever heard of. That's because Dante disliked them.
Posted by: mnw


Dante did put certain known people of his time into appropriate circles - sodomites, thieves, etc.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 20, 2026 09:25 PM (/lPRQ)

90 Very possible Tolkien will be canonized.
Dante Alighieri won't be. He hated the popes of his time.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 09:26 PM (gKWVE)

91 Superman 3 &4 were progresiveky worse

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:26 PM (bXbFr)

92 Jeez that's hard to keep straight!

I was right the first time. The 9th circle is bfor the worst sinners.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:27 PM (RCjYY)

93 Well they',re werent great popes back then (some were)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:27 PM (bXbFr)

94 I read "The Inferno" with delight. So interesting. All good stuff.

I got stuck at "The Purgatorio." Too close to home.

Pride of family. Pride of accomplishment.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:28 PM (qFwJc)

95 @91

>>Superman 3 &4 were progresiveky worse

They really should have stopped at 1, but two was not terrible.

Most films do not need a sequel.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 20, 2026 09:29 PM (XV/Pl)

96 1/3 third were great Popes. 1/3 were mediocre. 1/3 were very bad men. Francis and Leo are heretics.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:30 PM (qFwJc)

97 It had some corny elements but man of steel (really gets my goat) for botching the thing

They need to bring back zombie salkind

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:31 PM (bXbFr)

98 Pope Joan brought a real sense of feminine sensibilities to the Papal Offices..

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 09:31 PM (6/7Fs)

99 Very possible Tolkien will be canonized.
Dante Alighieri won't be. He hated the popes of his time.
Posted by: gKWVE


IIRC, he put a current or recent Pope into hell with a blown out rectum for a lifetime of... blowing his rectum out.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 20, 2026 09:32 PM (/lPRQ)

100 Superman is not a callous immoral thief

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:32 PM (bXbFr)

101
And yes, Dina Meyer!!!! What ever happened to her?
Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2026 09:02 PM (iJfKG)

Her and Denise Richards.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 20, 2026 09:32 PM (T6aVk)

102 A nice bit of adaptation? A Simple Plan, Sam Raimi director and script by Scott Smith based on his novel. Smith and Raimi play around quite a bit with some of the events at about mid-point in the story IIRC but the movie still finishes in the same place the book does.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:33 PM (q3u5l)

103 LOL The fucktards recent Popes have been "cannonized."

Is Dante in paradise? After 500 years, most heathens are free.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:34 PM (qFwJc)

104 Pope Joan brought a real sense of feminine sensibilities to the Papal Offices..

You Mormon?

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:35 PM (qFwJc)

105 The latest superman is just aimless cgi without any heart

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:37 PM (bXbFr)

106 But the original had many practical effects

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:38 PM (bXbFr)

107 Seriously, I never heard of Pope Joan, but from a Mormon, that was a fag and died quite a while ago. Please pray for the soul of my dear old friend. He was a friend. But not sexually. He went off to BYU.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:39 PM (qFwJc)

108 Pope Alexander VI is regarded as the one who was so corrupt, he set the table for Martin Luther.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:40 PM (RCjYY)

109 105 The latest superman is just aimless cgi without any heart
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:37 PM (bXbFr)

hot blonde and Lobo. I'm in

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 20, 2026 09:41 PM (xcxpd)

110 I liked Hugo quite a bit. It was quirky, but I loved the grande homage to very early film making.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2026 09:41 PM (nuNhM)

111 59 Starship Troopers is an ideal example of a movie made by someone who hates the source material. It does, however, have some good points. Nothing with Michael Ironside can be all bad. Clancy Brown wasn't bad either. I thought most of the bug effects were pretty good. And then there's Dina Meyer.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 08:59 PM (q3u5l)

I like both (the book and the movie).

The movie is one of those examples of the maker hate-fucking the material, but inadvertently making something good and conveying different messaging despite his intentions anyway.

Kind of like The Wire. What people take away from it and what was intended are generally two different things.

This is often the case with people who are blinded by their ideology. Like the movie Men. Supposedly a feminist screed. Normies watching it: bitch be cray-cray.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 20, 2026 09:43 PM (MIvVV)

112 The one last year

This one is like guardians but a more emo ronan

That comic has like a 60 year run they chose this arc

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:44 PM (bXbFr)

113 Pope Joan was a legend. Kind of the reverse "big mike" of the Middle Ages. The Papacy recalled a "dark age" when, basically, female prostitutes were running the place. Because the bishops of Rome were just that bad.
Alexander VI Borja might not have been a moral paragon but he did care about keeping the Church safe, stable, and independent. John XII on the other hand showed up to the Papal offices aged all of 18 and ready to party, including with other mens' wives. He was almost literally Pope Paolo.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 09:44 PM (gKWVE)

114 Verhoeven bragged that he never finished reading Starship Troopers.
Posted by: TJM's phone at June 20, 2026 08:08 PM (Zn6QU)

Which is why I despise that movie. It had some great SFX, but Verhoeven took one of Heinlein’s greatest books and shit in its mouth.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2026 09:45 PM (nuNhM)

115 I'll come out and say it, Verhoeven's "Starship Troopers" was kino. It was good. It's a satire and a parody and can be enjoyed on several levels. Like "Robocop".

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 09:45 PM (gKWVE)

116 He did introduce me to the delight of great Summer refreshment. Half seven-up, half orange juice, and a scoop of orange sherbet.

It was the Summer of 1970. Charlie Manson. He liked to what "Dark Shadows." I was bored. I went back to the beach, which was 2 blocks from my house.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:45 PM (qFwJc)

117 "Souls in the 9th circle were merely "buffeted by strong winds".

That's me every morning.

Posted by: fd at June 20, 2026 09:46 PM (vFG9F)

118 BTW this is why there exist at least two miniseries about the Borgias. There's real complexity there.
Nobody is going to write a miniseries about the Theophylacts, because everyone just sucks and there's no excuse for those guys.
Although a Cadaver Synod movie might at least be funny.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 09:47 PM (gKWVE)

119 gKWVE

You would make a mockery of Ben-Hur. Fuck you and go to hell.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:48 PM (qFwJc)

120 Thats who machiavelli used as a model the borgias

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:49 PM (bXbFr)

121 Bear,

I'd have loved to see a Starship Troopers faithful to the source. That said, the bug effects and the presence of Ironside, Brown, and Meyer kept the movie watchable even in the moments when you could almost feel Verhoeven spitting on the source. The movie's not what it could have been, but in spite of all that, I kinda like it too. I just wish it had been better.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:49 PM (q3u5l)

122 Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:48 PM (qFwJc)

u mad bro?

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 09:49 PM (gKWVE)

123 121 Bear,

I'd have loved to see a Starship Troopers faithful to the source. That said, the bug effects and the presence of Ironside, Brown, and Meyer kept the movie watchable even in the moments when you could almost feel Verhoeven spitting on the source. The movie's not what it could have been, but in spite of all that, I kinda like it too. I just wish it had been better.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:49 PM (q3u5l)

There is a better Japanese adaptation, it keeps the mech suits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 20, 2026 09:50 PM (xcxpd)

124 108 Pope Alexander VI is regarded as the one who was so corrupt, he set the table for Martin Luther.
Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:40 PM (RCjYY)

That’s what the Catholic leadership said at the time, because they hated Alexander for being a Spaniard who was crashing their Italians only party.

But in fact the fault lies with Pope Leo X, the Medici banker pope who was desperate to raise funds, and who commissioned the sale of indulgences to do so. That’s what lit the fire in Northern Europe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2026 09:51 PM (nuNhM)

125 There was a sequel (actually) a third part where the war against the bugd have really gone badly and there is incipient revolution

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:51 PM (bXbFr)

126 Barbara Tuchman wrote a good popular history called "The Pursuit of Folly."

One of the 4 sections concerns the failure of the Renaissance Church to reform itself.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:51 PM (RCjYY)

127 126 Barbara Tuchman wrote a good popular history called "The Pursuit of Folly."

One of the 4 sections concerns the failure of the Renaissance Church to reform itself.
Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:51 PM (RCjYY)

That's a good one, worth reading

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 20, 2026 09:52 PM (xcxpd)

128 It deserved a proper adaptation (failung that another film that didnt wear its skin) see rebel moon (actually dont,)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:53 PM (bXbFr)

129 124

Indulgences were the proximate cause, but I would argue not the root cause.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:53 PM (RCjYY)

130 Say what you will, but Alexander VI threw one hell of a party.

"God has given us the papacy. Let us enjoy it."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 09:54 PM (6/7Fs)

131 Yeah. I am pissed that such a shitstain as yourself tries be a peaceful shit that you are and can not be challenged.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 09:54 PM (qFwJc)

132 Heinlein's one of those writers who really hasn't been well-served in film adaptations, isn't he? ST, The Puppet Masters (Sutherland perfectly cast, and some nice slug effects, the rest just so-so). Predestination seemed a bit garbled to me; maybe I just need to give it another look. And I think there was a Japanese adaptation of The Door Into Summer not long ago -- fell asleep during that one, and maybe I just need to revisit that one too.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:54 PM (q3u5l)

133 The Church diverted from the Word

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:55 PM (bXbFr)

134 qFwJc, I have done absolutely nothing to deserve this abuse from you.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 20, 2026 09:56 PM (gKWVE)

135 Then again luther kind of inspired the 30 years war

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:56 PM (bXbFr)

136 It was a popular belief that Alexander VI was so corrupt, his body started to putrify while he was alive.

Posted by: mnw at June 20, 2026 09:57 PM (RCjYY)

137 Funny how ocp is the optimum version of law enforcement now

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:58 PM (bXbFr)

138 It's a movie thread. Go be mad somewhere else.

Posted by: fd at June 20, 2026 09:58 PM (vFG9F)

139 And outta here for the evening.

TJM, thanks for the thread.

Have a good one, gang.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at June 20, 2026 09:58 PM (q3u5l)

140 The syfy series was one of the best adaptations

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:58 PM (bXbFr)

141 For robocop

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at June 20, 2026 09:59 PM (bXbFr)

142 Callixtus III was the first Borgia pope. Alexander VI was a nepo baby.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 20, 2026 09:59 PM (6/7Fs)

143 gKWVE,

You deserve every bit of abuse. You repeated old lies.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 20, 2026 10:00 PM (qFwJc)

144 Just now putting some books up and one was a twofer, Starship Troopers and Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein.

Posted by: Eromero at June 20, 2026 10:00 PM (LHPAg)

145 There was nothing particularly wrong with the Starship Troopers movie that boobs couldn't fix.

Posted by: fd at June 20, 2026 10:01 PM (vFG9F)

146 This chat room has escalated beyond a blog status.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 20, 2026 10:02 PM (fkjGs)

147 ONT nood

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