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Another mRNA Vaccine? Really?
The science of vaccines and the resulting public health miracles are one of the glories of Western Civilization. We eradicated Small Pox, have marvelous vaccines for Rabies, Tetanus, Diphtheria, and a slew of childhood diseases that can be dangerous like Pertusis (Whooping Cough), Mumps, and Measles.
But the arrogance of the government medical establishment, coupled with good old grifting conspired to create a "modern" vaccine for a manufactured disease that has destroyed the trust that most Americans had for the once-vaunted FDA and its offshoots, and the medical establishment that carried its water during the catastrophically destructive COVID fiasco. They created a disease, they lied about its origins, they used it to destroy our civil liberties and manipulate the country to be more compliant, and perhaps worst of all, they sabotaged possible treatments to favor their dangerous and expensive vaccine and treatments. So why should the American people think that all of those failings have magically disappeared, and the new and improved FDA/Pharma/Deep State is any more invested in the health and well being of America? FDA Advisers Recommend Approving First mRNA Influenza VaccineThe Food and Drug Administration should approve the first messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccine for influenza, the agency’s vaccine advisory panel said on June 18. The Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee in a unanimous vote advised the FDA to approve an mRNA flu shot from Moderna for adults aged 50 and older.
The same mRNA technology that is implicated in some serious side effects? The same mRNA technology that was used to create the COVID vaccine that was famously awful? And all for a disease that has shifting antigens that are very difficult to identify quickly enough to create an effective vaccine? The flu vaccine works adequately, but it is by no means impressive, and the mRNA vaccine won't change that, so why risk the documented side effects of an mRNA vaccine when the traditional vaccine is safe? Oh. Look! Money!
“The presented data do indicate efficacy against flu with no safety signals,” Dr. Hana El Sahly, a professor at the Baylor College of Medicine and committee member who worked on a trial for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine, said after the vote.First of all, this harridan should have never been allowed on the committee because she has a clear conflict of interest in making mRNA vaccines mainstream. Second, she is a liar. Their own data show a higher risk of complications, but she uses typical biomedical weasel-words to avoid admitting that..."no safety signals?" what the f*ck does that mean? Traditional vaccines work wonderfully. Until mRNA vaccines are shown to be equal to or better than traditional vaccines, in particular for diseases that by definition cannot be eradicated or whose vaccine is only marginally effective, we should be very, very suspicious!
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Gokd afternoon everyone
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:01 PM (Ia/+0)
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g'early afternoon, 'rons
g'early afternoon, 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 21, 2026 12:03 PM (AMvSw)
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"They" just did "it" wrong before. It'll work this time.
"They" just did "it" wrong before. It'll work this time.
Posted by: Marooned at June 21, 2026 12:04 PM (kt8QE)
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Profits must be down at Big Pharma.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 12:04 PM (jehhT)
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Howdy, CBD! Hope you've been able to live down the slanderous labelings of the NoVaMoMe Morons...
Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 21, 2026 12:05 PM (kOluj)
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To me they shot themselves in the foot, so don't cry to me on common sence gun control.
Ihave serious doubts about any vaccinations anymore.
Ihave serious doubts about any vaccinations anymore.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:05 PM (Ia/+0)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2026 12:07 PM (gnNyN)
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Also, spot-on assessment. Pineapple proctology is better treatment than these lying whores deserve.
Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 21, 2026 12:08 PM (kOluj)
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I spent my adult life running the inoculation gauntlet (sometimes literally, with two lines of corpsmen jabbing me right and left like it was an initiation rite) and getting the annual flu shot. I loved in high density areas and traveled to exotic locales.
Now that I live the life of a suburban hermit I see little need, and shrug it all off.
Now that I live the life of a suburban hermit I see little need, and shrug it all off.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 21, 2026 12:09 PM (kpS4V)
Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2026 12:10 PM (O7XEN)
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Lived, not loved! Ha!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 21, 2026 12:11 PM (kpS4V)
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I AM NOT A PIN CUSHION !!!!!
Posted by: Case at June 21, 2026 12:11 PM (IY9No)
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>>> 3 .
"They" just did "it" wrong before. It'll work this time.
Posted by: Marooned at June 21, 2026 12:04 PM (kt8QE)
We have the Right People In Charge!!!
"They" just did "it" wrong before. It'll work this time.
Posted by: Marooned at June 21, 2026 12:04 PM (kt8QE)
We have the Right People In Charge!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2026 12:11 PM (R+iUD)
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That is quite the image for the man once portrayed as America’s scientific hero.
By Inauguration Day morning, Fauci and his legal team reportedly had their eyes locked on one goal: getting that pardon signed, sealed, and safely accepted.
Martin confirmed that the pardons were being pumped out by autopen rather than Joe Biden himself.
He explained that, legally speaking, the presidential pardon power is near absolute.
By Inauguration Day morning, Fauci and his legal team reportedly had their eyes locked on one goal: getting that pardon signed, sealed, and safely accepted.
Martin confirmed that the pardons were being pumped out by autopen rather than Joe Biden himself.
He explained that, legally speaking, the presidential pardon power is near absolute.
Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2026 12:12 PM (O7XEN)
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My wife passed away last year after a brief illness. Up until then, she was healthy as a horse. Cause of death was Thrombotic Thrombocytopenic Purpura (TTP). Duration from onset of symptoms to death was about three months.
Now, I'm reading that there have been individual case reports along with studies finding a link between TTP and the mRNA vaccines.
Covid didn't kill my wife, but the vaccine may have.
Fuck Fauci.
Now, I'm reading that there have been individual case reports along with studies finding a link between TTP and the mRNA vaccines.
Covid didn't kill my wife, but the vaccine may have.
Fuck Fauci.
Posted by: one hour sober at June 21, 2026 12:12 PM (J4Dwc)
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Here's the best safety signal of all: if you pick up a mainstream publication and read something like "this major publication is offering a news item based on the based on testimony of this expert, whose expertise is endorsed by another major institution of quality learing and also the government," then run for your muthahphukkin' life, brotha.
This concludes this public service announcement.
This concludes this public service announcement.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 12:12 PM (BI5O2)
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This will also be "Trump's Vaccine" until it isn't.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2026 12:14 PM (R+iUD)
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How Vaccines Work.
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Put about one centimeter cubed of liquid immune system antagonist, (AKA vaccine,) into an interstitial space of about one micron cubed in sacrificial tissue where said immune system can learn from said antagonist. Trust the science, the vaccine will not escape into the vascular and lymphatic capillaries which have been ripped apart by the overwhelming volume of antagonist.
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How Vaccines Work.
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Put about one centimeter cubed of liquid immune system antagonist, (AKA vaccine,) into an interstitial space of about one micron cubed in sacrificial tissue where said immune system can learn from said antagonist. Trust the science, the vaccine will not escape into the vascular and lymphatic capillaries which have been ripped apart by the overwhelming volume of antagonist.
Posted by: Marooned at June 21, 2026 12:15 PM (kt8QE)
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If our ruling class says something is good and you should do it, it is bad and it will hurt you.
It's not they just care about their own power and don't have your best interests at heart. They actively hate you.
It's not they just care about their own power and don't have your best interests at heart. They actively hate you.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 12:16 PM (BI5O2)
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Step one: Create new disease!
Step two: Offer a radical new cure!
Step three: Profit! $$$
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2026 12:07 PM (gnNyN)
This was the plot of Mission Impossible II IIRC. Life imitated art only with no car chases or gunfights. And big Pharma made bank as the citizenry acted like the sheep they are.
Step two: Offer a radical new cure!
Step three: Profit! $$$
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2026 12:07 PM (gnNyN)
This was the plot of Mission Impossible II IIRC. Life imitated art only with no car chases or gunfights. And big Pharma made bank as the citizenry acted like the sheep they are.
Posted by: The FDA is captive. And can suck my balls. at June 21, 2026 12:16 PM (TbWk/)
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I still remember Fauci predictig their plot to overthrow President Trump
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:18 PM (Ia/+0)
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This was the plot of Mission Impossible II IIRC. Life imitated art only with no car chases or gunfights. And big Pharma made bank as the citizenry acted like the sheep they are.
Posted by: The FDA is captive. And can suck my balls. at June 21, 2026 12:16 PM (TbWk/)
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Yep. It's also the plot of "Mount Dragon" by Preston & Child.
Posted by: The FDA is captive. And can suck my balls. at June 21, 2026 12:16 PM (TbWk/)
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Yep. It's also the plot of "Mount Dragon" by Preston & Child.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2026 12:21 PM (gnNyN)
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Am a pure blood. Nein to the Mrna clot shot and any injections of any kind. So far so good.Includes our children and grandchildren. Never trust medicoes again.
Posted by: kingsman at June 21, 2026 12:21 PM (ehY6c)
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I would think this administration knows what Fauci did and why. That they apparently are not at all interested in pursuing him tells me that they believe his pardon is sound or the administration thinks he has information that would damage Trump, perhaps severely.
Any or all of that. Despite the perpetual bitching and moaning from the public to do something.
Which makes me wonder why there's been no attempted hit on the guy or a go-fund-me type effort to hire someone to do a snatch-n-grab. Despite his security crew... which for the right price would likely give him up anyway.
*shrugs* Lots of stompy feet... no action.
Any or all of that. Despite the perpetual bitching and moaning from the public to do something.
Which makes me wonder why there's been no attempted hit on the guy or a go-fund-me type effort to hire someone to do a snatch-n-grab. Despite his security crew... which for the right price would likely give him up anyway.
*shrugs* Lots of stompy feet... no action.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 12:23 PM (jehhT)
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For all of the world's technical and medical knowledge and advancements, the Wuhan Red Death proved most people are stupid and would rub ivermectin on their assholes 3 times a day and bark at the moon while wearing their knitted masks from some hollywood celebrity if the government told them to. I wonder what ever became of those old farts who dressed up like Moon Men just to go out to eat? Hilarious.
Posted by: It Was All A Scam at June 21, 2026 12:23 PM (g7saB)
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Afternoon everyone. Thx CBD.
Happy Father's Day to all the daddys.
Given the cover up of the VAERS data on the COVID vaccines I think approving another mRNA is juuuust a bit premature
Happy Father's Day to all the daddys.
Given the cover up of the VAERS data on the COVID vaccines I think approving another mRNA is juuuust a bit premature
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 21, 2026 12:24 PM (L9YhZ)
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I did get the new, improved shingles vaccine -- but that's it. I am done with vaccines, except for tetanus when it comes due again. I am always poking myself or stepping on something weird and I've never had issues in the past -- that I know of.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at June 21, 2026 12:30 PM (DK5Sh)
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If your mRNA vaccine causes blood clots in your lungs or you require a respirator, seek consultation with your medical provider before taking further boosters.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 21, 2026 12:30 PM (fkjGs)
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Article at American Thinker brought up this Auto-Pen pardons. Brought up only one of the thousands he signed only 1 personally, Hunter's.. We have to be suspicious of all these signed without providence. Anyone could have got a hold of thatlike itcwas a college prank.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:31 PM (Ia/+0)
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Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste
Posted by: YosemiteSatchmo at June 21, 2026 12:32 PM (tlMsu)
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Trump pushed through his vaccine at warp speed
Morons applauded
Morons applauded
Posted by: Paul at June 21, 2026 12:34 PM (cfeRq)
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I probably should get shingles vax but as this problem they caused isn't making me run to get one.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:35 PM (Ia/+0)
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"Step one: Create new disease!
Step two: Offer a radical new cure!
Step three: Profit! $$$" Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
It helps if between one and two, there is a 1B: Kill a bunch of people, and promote a fear campaign (led by MSM).
Step two: Offer a radical new cure!
Step three: Profit! $$$" Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
It helps if between one and two, there is a 1B: Kill a bunch of people, and promote a fear campaign (led by MSM).
Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2026 12:36 PM (vbXSk)
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Until mRNA vaccines are shown to be equal to or better than traditional vaccines, in particular for diseases that by definition cannot be eradicated or whose vaccine is only marginally effective, we should be very, very suspicious!
Unless Christ Himself comes to Earth and says that mRNA vaccines are the bomb, I shall never trust them. I'm not a research beagle.
Unless Christ Himself comes to Earth and says that mRNA vaccines are the bomb, I shall never trust them. I'm not a research beagle.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2026 12:36 PM (ExV1e)
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Still waiting for the Nuremburg 2.0 to expose all of this in one venue. Weird how no definitive documentary has been made. Weird.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 21, 2026 12:38 PM (diia5)
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No thanks. Not interested
I don’t even get the traditional flu shot anymore since the covid debacle. Trust gone
BTW… I haven’t had flu since before covid
I don’t even get the traditional flu shot anymore since the covid debacle. Trust gone
BTW… I haven’t had flu since before covid
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 21, 2026 12:39 PM (26GAh)
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Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there in the moron universe.
I called my son and wished him a Happy Father's Day, he wished the same to me.
I haven't had a government sponsored shot for anything since the 80's when a flu shot made me sick for a week. I got the pass around sickness of the week when my son was in the public education school system, got all my immunity boosters from him too.
I called my son and wished him a Happy Father's Day, he wished the same to me.
I haven't had a government sponsored shot for anything since the 80's when a flu shot made me sick for a week. I got the pass around sickness of the week when my son was in the public education school system, got all my immunity boosters from him too.
Posted by: Gmac-WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 21, 2026 12:39 PM (Q/FnY)
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31 But at time while it was still of unknown origin. A disease comes up and a quick cure is needed it was looking like a great accomplishment. President Trump didn't pay to have that virus brought to the country and world.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:40 PM (Ia/+0)
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The last thing big medicine wants to do is cure people of anything. It would be like police departments wanting crime to end. Bad for business.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 12:40 PM (3cXW4)
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I renewed my tetanus vax a year or so ago, though getting any shot makes me wonder what else they might try to sneak in, for my own good. Tetanus shot should be every ten years I think, had been about 30 years for me. Some say they are not necessary because odds of getting tetanus are so low ... idk.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2026 12:41 PM (vbXSk)
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This Baylor doc… female with middle name Mohammed? I looked up her page at Baylor… full name Hana Mohammed El Sahly…. I’m not interested in her opinion
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 21, 2026 12:41 PM (26GAh)
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I hear that there is an AI created mRNA vax uo for human trials soon. This it?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:41 PM (4tsnh)
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I recently got a new doc because I moved. At initial appointment he’s pressuring me to get shingles vax… I may find another doc. Don’t like being pressured
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 21, 2026 12:43 PM (26GAh)
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Covid didn't kill my wife, but the vaccine may have.
Fuck Fauci.
Posted by: one hour sober at June 21, 2026 12:12 PM (J4Dwc)
My brother died from his stomach cancer. Something his doctor said would not happen. That prognosis was delivered circa 2019. Three years post COVID vax (not sure but think it was J&J), the cancer stopped responding to the chemo, and he was gone within months. He also had a sizeable blood clot in his left leg. Blood clots do not run in our family.
We argued over the wisdom of taking an experimental vaccine for a virus that seemed no worse than the flu. His information came from mainstream media, where mine came from talk radio and medical experts who were able to get their message out before getting shut down.
Fauci has accomplices. May they all burn in hell..
Fuck Fauci.
Posted by: one hour sober at June 21, 2026 12:12 PM (J4Dwc)
My brother died from his stomach cancer. Something his doctor said would not happen. That prognosis was delivered circa 2019. Three years post COVID vax (not sure but think it was J&J), the cancer stopped responding to the chemo, and he was gone within months. He also had a sizeable blood clot in his left leg. Blood clots do not run in our family.
We argued over the wisdom of taking an experimental vaccine for a virus that seemed no worse than the flu. His information came from mainstream media, where mine came from talk radio and medical experts who were able to get their message out before getting shut down.
Fauci has accomplices. May they all burn in hell..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at June 21, 2026 12:43 PM (nbLIj)
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40 I renewed my tetanus vax a year or so ago, though getting any shot makes me wonder what else they might try to sneak in, for my own good. Tetanus shot should be every ten years I think, had been about 30 years for me. Some say they are not necessary because odds of getting tetanus are so low ... idk.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2026 12:41 PM (vbXSk)
The “experts” now say every 5-7 years.
I wonder if “experts” are paid vax companies which make more Money 5-7 vs 10.
Nah that’s just crazy conspiracy thinking. always trust the experts. And remember quadruple mask and stay 6ft apart.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2026 12:41 PM (vbXSk)
The “experts” now say every 5-7 years.
I wonder if “experts” are paid vax companies which make more Money 5-7 vs 10.
Nah that’s just crazy conspiracy thinking. always trust the experts. And remember quadruple mask and stay 6ft apart.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 12:44 PM (3cXW4)
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I may find another doc. Don’t like being pressured
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Check if there are any small or solo docs around
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Check if there are any small or solo docs around
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:45 PM (4tsnh)
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The obvious thing is to use all these proponents of the next mRNA vaxx for a twenty year trial--pharma execs, doctors, nurses, regulators approving them, and if they drop dead, then we have a pretty good idea whether or not the vaxx might work before releasing them on the unsuspecting public.
No one is clamoring other than Big Pharma for mRNA vaxxes when other conventional vaxxes exist and it will actually cause a lot more people to simply skip vaccines altogether due to distrust of exactly what is in the vaccine.
Own goal for the rather stupid and manipulative public health community.
No one is clamoring other than Big Pharma for mRNA vaxxes when other conventional vaxxes exist and it will actually cause a lot more people to simply skip vaccines altogether due to distrust of exactly what is in the vaccine.
Own goal for the rather stupid and manipulative public health community.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 12:46 PM (E4rtv)
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Aside from the listed negatives with mRNA vaccine(s) that were shown by COVID I personally will make every effort to avoid every taking a Moderna vaccine. Gates is probably mostly interested in sterilization as a side effect and that is not a factor from my old as dirt self; but I wouldn't put it past him and his Moderna staff to try to sneak in something that makes us old fogies more likely to die and I don't want to give them one red cent, even if I thought they had the best product at a cheaper price.
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 12:47 PM (PV+Zw)
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Some dystopian movie should have a mostly destroyed landscape with Barack's monument to himself left.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:47 PM (Ia/+0)
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The big problem with mRNA is that flu mutates quickly and as shown in Covid,
the mRNA creates antibodies aimed at one single type of antigen target, and-
not aimed at multiple antigens like various proteins with the virus or bacteria.
It's "effectiveness" disappears within a single year.
It's a stupid way to vaccinate and needs much, much, much more testing. Probably, multiple years worth given the donkey-fucking carnival that was the covid mrna vaccine.
Do. Not. Want.
The regular flu vaccine is just fine.
The big problem with mRNA is that flu mutates quickly and as shown in Covid,
the mRNA creates antibodies aimed at one single type of antigen target, and-
not aimed at multiple antigens like various proteins with the virus or bacteria.
It's "effectiveness" disappears within a single year.
It's a stupid way to vaccinate and needs much, much, much more testing. Probably, multiple years worth given the donkey-fucking carnival that was the covid mrna vaccine.
Do. Not. Want.
The regular flu vaccine is just fine.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 21, 2026 12:48 PM (iJfKG)
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I think it'll be hard to con the rubes with another disease related operation. The pool of hardcore, mask wearing weirdos is thinning out. It's not like 2020 anymore.
Even some who took the covid operation seriously and did self isolation, perhaps without all the other horseshit, won't buy another op like it.
The next "compliance op" will be different. Probably "security" related. Run by the Democrats once they're back in power. And it'll be absolutely draconian.
Even some who took the covid operation seriously and did self isolation, perhaps without all the other horseshit, won't buy another op like it.
The next "compliance op" will be different. Probably "security" related. Run by the Democrats once they're back in power. And it'll be absolutely draconian.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 12:48 PM (jehhT)
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Until mRNA vaccines are shown to be equal to or better than traditional vaccines, in particular for diseases that by definition cannot be eradicated or whose vaccine is only marginally effective, we should be very, very suspicious!
Its a genetic therapy. That's why Big Pharma is so excited about it. And frankly why Big Gub is so willing to go along.
It quite literally triggers your body to alter itself to produce new responses to a stimulus. Let that sink in. Now - this may be the first real step to a cancer cure. Or many others.
And lets be real about this. Generations some of you revere rushed their kids in to be the first test subjects for the original polio vaccine.
All that said to say this - its bullshit the way the entire industry is pushing it. But that's another example of the Government / Industry alliance we have now.
Its a genetic therapy. That's why Big Pharma is so excited about it. And frankly why Big Gub is so willing to go along.
It quite literally triggers your body to alter itself to produce new responses to a stimulus. Let that sink in. Now - this may be the first real step to a cancer cure. Or many others.
And lets be real about this. Generations some of you revere rushed their kids in to be the first test subjects for the original polio vaccine.
All that said to say this - its bullshit the way the entire industry is pushing it. But that's another example of the Government / Industry alliance we have now.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 12:49 PM (P5MQi)
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I don't trust them not to double up on some vax you think your getting.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:49 PM (Ia/+0)
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Check if there are any small or solo docs around
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:45 PM (4tsnh)
Those are pretty much extinct. Maybe in a small town there might be some remnants of the wild ways. But generally speaking doctors are now either employees of some (often PE backed) conglomerate or if they own the practice part of a network. Either way your health is the least of thejr concerns. Visits per hour and revenue per patient is what they care about.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:45 PM (4tsnh)
Those are pretty much extinct. Maybe in a small town there might be some remnants of the wild ways. But generally speaking doctors are now either employees of some (often PE backed) conglomerate or if they own the practice part of a network. Either way your health is the least of thejr concerns. Visits per hour and revenue per patient is what they care about.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 12:49 PM (3cXW4)
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I have decided against the shingles vax, Skip.
Keeping my immune system up is my chosen approach.
Keeping my immune system up is my chosen approach.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:50 PM (4tsnh)
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46 I may find another doc. Don’t like being pressured
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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All med insurance and gubmint specific payments to adminster to physicians and hospitals should be barred for drugs as well as vaccines.
It creates a bad incentive to push something nasty just for the doc to get their cash spiff.
And ban them advertising the damn stuff or refuse to let Big Pharma write off costs from that on taxes and no sidepasses to NGOs to encourage that shit.
Government in medicine and food has basically shit in its nest as far as believability because the political process is not the way you want to figure out treatments nor diet. They do bad enough just dealing with welfare.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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All med insurance and gubmint specific payments to adminster to physicians and hospitals should be barred for drugs as well as vaccines.
It creates a bad incentive to push something nasty just for the doc to get their cash spiff.
And ban them advertising the damn stuff or refuse to let Big Pharma write off costs from that on taxes and no sidepasses to NGOs to encourage that shit.
Government in medicine and food has basically shit in its nest as far as believability because the political process is not the way you want to figure out treatments nor diet. They do bad enough just dealing with welfare.
Posted by: whig at June 21, 2026 12:50 PM (E4rtv)
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You wanna see how insane the discussion with the left has gotten?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jfoum/forums/show/39.page
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jfoum/forums/show/39.page
Posted by: Jeff at June 21, 2026 12:51 PM (wEnou)
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I may find another doc. Don’t like being pressured
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Just tell Doc Idiot that you have already had the shingles shot.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Just tell Doc Idiot that you have already had the shingles shot.
Posted by: Never Trust Them at June 21, 2026 12:51 PM (g7saB)
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My longtime family dr is a solo practice. She scrapes by, great family dr, and I love her despite her being a lib.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:53 PM (4tsnh)
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You wanna see how insane the discussion with the left has gotten?
That link doesn't work for me, but I saw on Fox this morning that there's an official, funded Antifa operation to fill the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool with algae because Trump cleaned it.
That link doesn't work for me, but I saw on Fox this morning that there's an official, funded Antifa operation to fill the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool with algae because Trump cleaned it.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2026 12:54 PM (QZThv)
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Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2026 12:41 PM (vbXSk)
I got a tetanus shot about 6 years ago. Shortly before the "get the clot shot mania" The HMO gave me some combo that included Pertussis. Bit of a sore arm for a couple days was my only side effect but I was not thrilled at them sneaking in that Pertussis when I agreed to get a tetanus vaccine. I'll probably wait until the next time I get a puncture wound to get another tetanus shot, however long that is. Hopefully I haven't jinxed myself.
I got a tetanus shot about 6 years ago. Shortly before the "get the clot shot mania" The HMO gave me some combo that included Pertussis. Bit of a sore arm for a couple days was my only side effect but I was not thrilled at them sneaking in that Pertussis when I agreed to get a tetanus vaccine. I'll probably wait until the next time I get a puncture wound to get another tetanus shot, however long that is. Hopefully I haven't jinxed myself.
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 12:54 PM (PV+Zw)
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Speaking of retarded decision switch the left…
On Reddit there was a post by someone saying something like look how well of Europeans are they can take 6 weeks vacation to go to the World Cup. But in America everyone takes only a week vacation because it’s all they can afford. This was triggered by reports of how Mississippi has a higher GDP per capita than the UK.
Meanwhile there are a gazillions posts how the wild cup is so expensive nobody from Europe can afford to go. Also a lot of talk how Trump and his Gestapo ICE has scared foreigners from attending.
It’s crazy how they’ll say the exact opposite thing in the same breath and not skip a beat.
On Reddit there was a post by someone saying something like look how well of Europeans are they can take 6 weeks vacation to go to the World Cup. But in America everyone takes only a week vacation because it’s all they can afford. This was triggered by reports of how Mississippi has a higher GDP per capita than the UK.
Meanwhile there are a gazillions posts how the wild cup is so expensive nobody from Europe can afford to go. Also a lot of talk how Trump and his Gestapo ICE has scared foreigners from attending.
It’s crazy how they’ll say the exact opposite thing in the same breath and not skip a beat.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 12:55 PM (3cXW4)
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lol, oh hell no.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 21, 2026 12:55 PM (VyBeY)
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Algae antifa should be charged with bio terrorism
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:55 PM (hLhMb)
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Its nothing new FWIW. In the 60s ? Psych meds. Doctors loved to prescribe psych meds.
Folks - what you're getting over is the credentialism that has been a hallmark of both parties. Republicans love Doctors and Cops. Democrats love Professors and Lawyers.
I'll just focus on this topic. Just because he or she is a Doctor ? Really no more trustworthy than any other contractor. Because that's all they are.
Folks - what you're getting over is the credentialism that has been a hallmark of both parties. Republicans love Doctors and Cops. Democrats love Professors and Lawyers.
I'll just focus on this topic. Just because he or she is a Doctor ? Really no more trustworthy than any other contractor. Because that's all they are.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 12:57 PM (P5MQi)
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Even during the hight of forcing the vax on people the lackof public service announcement of harmful effects was missing.
No If you take the Fake Vax, diarrhea, high blood pressure and clots could occur, stop.taking the Fake Vax if these symptoms occur.
No If you take the Fake Vax, diarrhea, high blood pressure and clots could occur, stop.taking the Fake Vax if these symptoms occur.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 12:57 PM (Ia/+0)
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>>>Trump pushed through his vaccine at warp speed
Morons applauded
Posted by: Paul
>Trump created the logistics to provide Fauci's vaccine. Did you see Trump in the lab personally mixing up a witches brew?
Morons applauded
Posted by: Paul
>Trump created the logistics to provide Fauci's vaccine. Did you see Trump in the lab personally mixing up a witches brew?
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 21, 2026 12:58 PM (fkjGs)
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I worked in a California school district throughout the lockdowns. It was decided the elementary and middle schools could open, and it was depressing to walk those campuses and see masked children getting hectored by hysterical adults to keep apart, and pull their masks up. The end section to "Another Brick in the Wall" kept looping through my brain - "Go on, do it again.."
Posted by: Joe Kidd at June 21, 2026 12:58 PM (nbLIj)
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Frankly I don't understand why even under the senile pervert the parks folks did not routinely add algaecide to the reflecting pool. Was there some tree hugger push that the reflecting pool needed to be like a natural pond with algae and frogs and fish etc?
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 12:59 PM (PV+Zw)
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I had mild hypertension pre-Vax. Post J&J vax its a lot worse; need 4 meds now. Coincidental maybe.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 01:00 PM (hLhMb)
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Trump created the logistics to provide Fauci's vaccine. Did you see Trump in the lab personally mixing up a witches brew?
No. But lets call it what it was. Trump was out front and center bitching at DeSantis for opening up FLA too soon. Trump - being what he is - put Fauci and Scarves front and center and whatever panic porn they told him was the gospel.
Trump did not cover himself in glory during Covid. And yes - Trump sold these shots as "the cure". To say he didn't is revisionist history.
He was publicly pissed that Big Pharma didn't announce them soon enough in the campaign cycle.
No. But lets call it what it was. Trump was out front and center bitching at DeSantis for opening up FLA too soon. Trump - being what he is - put Fauci and Scarves front and center and whatever panic porn they told him was the gospel.
Trump did not cover himself in glory during Covid. And yes - Trump sold these shots as "the cure". To say he didn't is revisionist history.
He was publicly pissed that Big Pharma didn't announce them soon enough in the campaign cycle.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
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Exactly one year after my 2nd Moderna shot when testing opened up again a biopsy showed stage 4 liver cancer. I’m convinced the jab caused the cancer . Had lotsa treatments and it’s under control but doc says we’re playing whack a mole and it’ll get me one day. I deeply regret getting those shots, I even asked the pharmacist if he’d vaccinate the garbage can and skip giving it to me but he refused
Posted by: kelly cereal lurker at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (bn0S5)
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We need a retard vaccine.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (GNqmQ)
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Pardons do not shield perpetrators from civil liability or co-conspirators from criminal process.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (lLWPg)
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"It’s crazy how they’ll say the exact opposite thing in the same breath and not skip a beat. "
"the issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution."
even if it's just the 24/7 psy-op of spreading FUD about anything & everything ...
"the issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution."
even if it's just the 24/7 psy-op of spreading FUD about anything & everything ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (VyBeY)
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Prayers for you, Kelly Cereal
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 01:02 PM (pKd0j)
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> ... but I saw on Fox this morning that there's an official, funded Antifa operation to fill the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool with algae because Trump cleaned it.
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Purportedly the Park Police who oversee security at the monuments and memorials in the capitol city made a couple arrests last night as some idiots tried to mess with the reflecting pool (again.) One's said to be a former Olympic kayaker.
Why we're not putting the assholes behind Antifa's funding in a box is beyond me.
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Purportedly the Park Police who oversee security at the monuments and memorials in the capitol city made a couple arrests last night as some idiots tried to mess with the reflecting pool (again.) One's said to be a former Olympic kayaker.
Why we're not putting the assholes behind Antifa's funding in a box is beyond me.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:05 PM (jehhT)
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Exactly one year after my 2nd Moderna shot when testing opened up again a biopsy showed stage 4 liver cancer. I’m convinced the jab caused the cancer.
And your conclusion is not impossible. Firstly - I wish you well and hope things are moving in the right direction.
Those of us that took it - and I took the original J&J - took a test genetic therapy. No two ways around it.
And your conclusion is not impossible. Firstly - I wish you well and hope things are moving in the right direction.
Those of us that took it - and I took the original J&J - took a test genetic therapy. No two ways around it.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:06 PM (P5MQi)
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Well, maybe it is happening.
@LeadingReport 7m
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer to resign, per POTUS.
@LeadingReport 7m
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer to resign, per POTUS.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 21, 2026 01:06 PM (diia5)
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Trump was taking advice from the most wicked authorities who. wanted to close the country
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:06 PM (Ia/+0)
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won't buy another op like it.
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Most people didn't buy the first op. That's not the point. Government says "this is the op and between us and Karen, you're going to comply, or else."
It's not about people believing the lie. It's the opposite. The sillier the lie the better.
"This outbreak of mild skin rashes will extinguish the sun unless you superglue your testicles to your taint. Until we reach 89% ultratucking saturation, nobody gets to leave the house. Also, pants are now illegal. We're all in this together. Register at gluedeeznuts.com for your free tube of Cyanoacrylate Solidarity Adhesive brought to you by Pfizer and the Ad Council."
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Most people didn't buy the first op. That's not the point. Government says "this is the op and between us and Karen, you're going to comply, or else."
It's not about people believing the lie. It's the opposite. The sillier the lie the better.
"This outbreak of mild skin rashes will extinguish the sun unless you superglue your testicles to your taint. Until we reach 89% ultratucking saturation, nobody gets to leave the house. Also, pants are now illegal. We're all in this together. Register at gluedeeznuts.com for your free tube of Cyanoacrylate Solidarity Adhesive brought to you by Pfizer and the Ad Council."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Trump was taking advice from the most wicked authorities who. wanted to close the country
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:06 PM (Ia/+0)
Yes. He was. Which does not absolve him in the slightest. The buck stopped with him.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:06 PM (Ia/+0)
Yes. He was. Which does not absolve him in the slightest. The buck stopped with him.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:08 PM (P5MQi)
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It’s crazy how they’ll say the exact opposite thing in the same breath and not skip a beat.
Posted by: Heroq
Well, Reddit. But I have seen the video of the young woman ticking off her expenses to the tune of $55k and six weeks off. Definitely reminded me of the Coachellla influencers, so I'm going to guess that's her job, or she has rich parents. Maybe both.
Posted by: Heroq
Well, Reddit. But I have seen the video of the young woman ticking off her expenses to the tune of $55k and six weeks off. Definitely reminded me of the Coachellla influencers, so I'm going to guess that's her job, or she has rich parents. Maybe both.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at June 21, 2026 01:08 PM (yFLFB)
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Meanwhile there are a gazillions posts how the wild cup is so expensive nobody from Europe can afford to go. Also a lot of talk how Trump and his Gestapo ICE has scared foreigners from attending.
The funniest I've seen yet is mass Bluesky REEEEEEE because a World Cup tourist was going on about flavored ice at Sonic. The female (of course) spokesthey/them said "Please don't use the word 'ice', we're going through some things here".
The funniest I've seen yet is mass Bluesky REEEEEEE because a World Cup tourist was going on about flavored ice at Sonic. The female (of course) spokesthey/them said "Please don't use the word 'ice', we're going through some things here".
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2026 01:08 PM (QZThv)
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I was lucky, my work let me apply for, and approved, religious exemption for the clot shot. And at that they wanted to know "how will you keep co-workers safe?". During the period when they were strongly encouraging WFH, and folks had to schedule to be in office because they were keeping occupancy at no more than 25%, and then 50% and I was one of the folks who had zero interest in commuting to be in the office.
My riding buddy was "but you are not very religious" But I do identify as christian, and I have read the bible, and since it was all online its not like I had to have memorized chapter and verse for listing why I felt that getting the shot would violate my religious beliefs.
My riding buddy was "but you are not very religious" But I do identify as christian, and I have read the bible, and since it was all online its not like I had to have memorized chapter and verse for listing why I felt that getting the shot would violate my religious beliefs.
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 01:08 PM (PV+Zw)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:09 PM (iLKq8)
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Why we're not putting the assholes behind Antifa's funding in a box is beyond me.
Scott Bessent said a few weeks ago that they were going to start doing that. I realize nothing in FedGov is as fast as we'd like, but now would be an excellent time.
Scott Bessent said a few weeks ago that they were going to start doing that. I realize nothing in FedGov is as fast as we'd like, but now would be an excellent time.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2026 01:09 PM (QZThv)
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Trump was taking advice from the most wicked authorities who. wanted to close the country
It was the ideal op to tie up a famously germophobic President, never mind someone old enough to still think experts know anything.
It was the ideal op to tie up a famously germophobic President, never mind someone old enough to still think experts know anything.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2026 01:11 PM (QZThv)
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I don't even get the regular flu shot. I rarely get sick (and when I do, it's either 'just a bit under the weather' or several days too sick to leave the house). I shan't be taking this concoction and I'm currently unlikely to take the shingles vax when I get to that age either. I know the MMR and DPT _were_ relatively safe - a messed up kid like me survived 'em - but... are they still?
Posted by: RandomDave at June 21, 2026 01:13 PM (aJQbY)
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Why we're not putting the assholes behind Antifa's funding in a box is beyond me.
Why isn't the SPLC getting raided right now ? Why does NAMBLA still have a public address ? And on and on and on.
It was brought up, by all places, on Fox Sports Radio a few days ago. Not a new idea. But I was surprised shit as superficial and sports media figured it out.
Because Consequences just don't happen anymore. Because Standards were so subjective before that. That's why you see so many feral people - really feral, not just stupid shit like hat indoors. Shit like "lets cut out white girls eyes on the bus".
That's why you see Mr. Diversity driving 90 down a 55. Because back in the day, Johnny Law used to like to pull people over and show them the busted tail-light they didn't have until he made one.
Why isn't the SPLC getting raided right now ? Why does NAMBLA still have a public address ? And on and on and on.
It was brought up, by all places, on Fox Sports Radio a few days ago. Not a new idea. But I was surprised shit as superficial and sports media figured it out.
Because Consequences just don't happen anymore. Because Standards were so subjective before that. That's why you see so many feral people - really feral, not just stupid shit like hat indoors. Shit like "lets cut out white girls eyes on the bus".
That's why you see Mr. Diversity driving 90 down a 55. Because back in the day, Johnny Law used to like to pull people over and show them the busted tail-light they didn't have until he made one.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:14 PM (P5MQi)
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Trump did not cover himself in glory during Covid. And yes - Trump sold these shots as "the cure". To say he didn't is revisionist history.
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He spent a lot of timing bragging about it in 2024 before he figured out why his crowds were booing him.
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He spent a lot of timing bragging about it in 2024 before he figured out why his crowds were booing him.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:16 PM (vSvIl)
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And lets be real about this. Generations some of you revere rushed their kids in to be the first test subjects for the original polio vaccine.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 12:49 PM (P5MQi)
The polio vaccine was declared safe and effective in 1955, six years after the virus was successfully cultured in human tissue. We still had adults running things back then, and the thought of rushing out a product to cash in on public hysteria never even entered the minds of that generation..
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 12:49 PM (P5MQi)
The polio vaccine was declared safe and effective in 1955, six years after the virus was successfully cultured in human tissue. We still had adults running things back then, and the thought of rushing out a product to cash in on public hysteria never even entered the minds of that generation..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at June 21, 2026 01:18 PM (nbLIj)
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91 Trump did not cover himself in glory during Covid. And yes - Trump sold these shots as "the cure". To say he didn't is revisionist history.
He f'ed up... He trusted them...
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He f'ed up... He trusted them...
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Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:18 PM (dFjQQ)
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71 ...Trump did not cover himself in glory during Covid. And yes - Trump sold these shots as "the cure". To say he didn't is revisionist history.
He was publicly pissed that Big Pharma didn't announce them soon enough in the campaign cycle.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
In hindsight - even though there were many voices both here and outside this blog that Trump was making a mistake - we could see that listening to authorities was a mistake.
That said, Trump and most of the rest of the world was acting on incomplete, imperfect information. As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy. The industrial world had, in effect, shut down. Supply chains were collapsing, and if there wasn't a way that the world could reasonably open again, secondary effects from a 'vaccine' would have been the least of our problems. The COVID shots (and I didn't take any of them) were the way the planet would have the confidence to open up again. For that alone, they were a success. Yes he made a mistake, but I don't think he has anything to be ashamed of. He never advocated forcing people to take it. It only had to exist.
He was publicly pissed that Big Pharma didn't announce them soon enough in the campaign cycle.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
In hindsight - even though there were many voices both here and outside this blog that Trump was making a mistake - we could see that listening to authorities was a mistake.
That said, Trump and most of the rest of the world was acting on incomplete, imperfect information. As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy. The industrial world had, in effect, shut down. Supply chains were collapsing, and if there wasn't a way that the world could reasonably open again, secondary effects from a 'vaccine' would have been the least of our problems. The COVID shots (and I didn't take any of them) were the way the planet would have the confidence to open up again. For that alone, they were a success. Yes he made a mistake, but I don't think he has anything to be ashamed of. He never advocated forcing people to take it. It only had to exist.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:19 PM (DrlQb)
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I wonder if this wondershot has been tested on approved subjects - the Fauci and Brix families, Members of Congress, FDA Advisors, and researchers from competing Big Pharma companies.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 21, 2026 01:19 PM (qx7Zg)
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Thanks V mom and howdy it is what it is but the worst part…I’ve got 4 grandkids 10-16 yrs old and I want to live to see some grandbabbies!!
Posted by: kelly cereal lurker at June 21, 2026 01:19 PM (XRaX7)
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Not ever getting a flu shot was my reason for not getting the Fake Vax
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:20 PM (Ia/+0)
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"no safety signals"
Reminds me of a time I was working with vendors in China who were supposed to run regulatory testing on our device. It had been a while with no response from them, so I called them and asked if our device had passed testing.
"It hasn't failed", the guy on the other line said. Turned it it hadn't failed because it hadn't been tested. Bastards...LOL
Reminds me of a time I was working with vendors in China who were supposed to run regulatory testing on our device. It had been a while with no response from them, so I called them and asked if our device had passed testing.
"It hasn't failed", the guy on the other line said. Turned it it hadn't failed because it hadn't been tested. Bastards...LOL
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (l3cgK)
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By the way Happy Fathers day to all of you Dads out there....
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (dFjQQ)
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As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (vSvIl)
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99 By the way Happy Fathers day to all of you Dads out there....
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (dFjQQ)
Thank you. I guess my job as a Dad doesn't end until I join my wife. LOL
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (dFjQQ)
Thank you. I guess my job as a Dad doesn't end until I join my wife. LOL
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:22 PM (l3cgK)
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Polio terrified parents around the world for centuries. It destroyed my grandmother's leg. Of course they got the vaxx for my mom when they had the chance. Polio ruins lives, and no small number of them.
COVID didn't reap children like stalks of wheat.
It was a nasty cold.
COVID didn't reap children like stalks of wheat.
It was a nasty cold.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:22 PM (BI5O2)
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Trump did push for the clot shot but I don’t believe he ever suggested people should be forced to take it against their will.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:23 PM (3cXW4)
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100 As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (vSvIl)
When a patient has cancer, the best option is to kill and remove the cancer, if possible...
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (vSvIl)
When a patient has cancer, the best option is to kill and remove the cancer, if possible...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:23 PM (l3cgK)
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Until mRNA vaccines are shown to be equal to or better than traditional vaccines, in particular for diseases that by definition cannot be eradicated or whose vaccine is only marginally effective, we should be very, very suspicious!
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Don't worry, they are mandating it for your dogs.
Share and share alike.
They/ the local tyrants, mandated vets to register and tax tag every local pet. We took ours out of the city for rabies shots.
Regulators want us to buy permits for everything and their clerks want to log it.
youtube.com/watch?v=eyCuIBDjehg
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Don't worry, they are mandating it for your dogs.
Share and share alike.
They/ the local tyrants, mandated vets to register and tax tag every local pet. We took ours out of the city for rabies shots.
Regulators want us to buy permits for everything and their clerks want to log it.
youtube.com/watch?v=eyCuIBDjehg
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:25 PM (iLKq8)
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Trump and the GOP’s response to the China Virus was a) print trillions of dollars and b) rush an untested vaccine to market
Then Biden/Dems doubled down on the spending and forced everyone to take the vax.
It was a shit show all around.
Then Biden/Dems doubled down on the spending and forced everyone to take the vax.
It was a shit show all around.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (3cXW4)
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100 As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (vSvIl)
And he's not wrong there, either. How soon we forget the problems that North Korea - tiny PRK - can cause the world for simply existing. Iran's actions over the last four months prove what damage they can do to the world simply by not being as isolated as PRK. I don't hear a single serious person say that there's nothing to worry about with the IRGC - even if they are saying that the threat isn't immanent.
We're not the policemen of the world, but there are some things that only we can do. Iran is a mistake that Reagan neglected to fix, and we've paid the price for that ever since. If we can fix it - and we can - there's no reason why we shouldn't try.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:21 PM (vSvIl)
And he's not wrong there, either. How soon we forget the problems that North Korea - tiny PRK - can cause the world for simply existing. Iran's actions over the last four months prove what damage they can do to the world simply by not being as isolated as PRK. I don't hear a single serious person say that there's nothing to worry about with the IRGC - even if they are saying that the threat isn't immanent.
We're not the policemen of the world, but there are some things that only we can do. Iran is a mistake that Reagan neglected to fix, and we've paid the price for that ever since. If we can fix it - and we can - there's no reason why we shouldn't try.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (DrlQb)
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102 Polio terrified parents around the world for centuries. It destroyed my grandmother's leg. Of course they got the vaxx for my mom when they had the chance. Polio ruins lives, and no small number of them.
COVID didn't reap children like stalks of wheat.
It was a nasty cold.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:22 PM (BI5O2)
Children were basically safe from it unless they had weakened immune system or comorbidities. Folks like me and my wife, on the other hand, had comorbidities (and immunosuppression in my case), so more of an issue. I got the jab exactly 2x. I caught COVID and survived, already improving even before I got the monoclonal antibody treatment.
COVID didn't reap children like stalks of wheat.
It was a nasty cold.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:22 PM (BI5O2)
Children were basically safe from it unless they had weakened immune system or comorbidities. Folks like me and my wife, on the other hand, had comorbidities (and immunosuppression in my case), so more of an issue. I got the jab exactly 2x. I caught COVID and survived, already improving even before I got the monoclonal antibody treatment.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (l3cgK)
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Trump fell for the Covid B.S. They did take advantage of his germaphobia. But at that, Trump thought he was cutting red tape so that high risk people could get the vaccine. It was after Nov 2020, with the Joe Bribeme admin, and the FNM who pushes commie narratives for free and other narratives when the price is right, that it became "everybody has to be vaccinated to save grandma, and/or end the masking and isolation rules ".
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (PV+Zw)
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100 As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos
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It's not an excuse it's a job.
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That's his excuse for Iran, too.
Posted by: Methos
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It's not an excuse it's a job.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:27 PM (iLKq8)
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I have so many tied for first place for the most punchable face. Jonah Goldberg joined the list.
The entire CNN panel agreed JD Vance was very good at interviews and responding to tough (biased) questioning. All except fat ass , low intellect , thieving Goldberg. He actually called him a liar but of course not saying what he was lying about.
The entire CNN panel agreed JD Vance was very good at interviews and responding to tough (biased) questioning. All except fat ass , low intellect , thieving Goldberg. He actually called him a liar but of course not saying what he was lying about.
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:27 PM (KC5Lt)
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I lost a 59 year-old cousin to COVID. He was obese with diabeetus...so comorbidities.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:27 PM (l3cgK)
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Iran is a mistake that Reagan neglected to fix, and we've paid the price for that ever since. If we can fix it - and we can - there's no reason why we shouldn't try.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
Giving Iran’s thug dictator leaders $300B ain’t fixing shit.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
Giving Iran’s thug dictator leaders $300B ain’t fixing shit.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
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Next time let's elect a Doctor for President.
Posted by: Case at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (IY9No)
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109 Trump fell for the Covid B.S.
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BS, he mentioned several alternatives but was jammed by bureaucrats, regulators, and turncoats.
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BS, he mentioned several alternatives but was jammed by bureaucrats, regulators, and turncoats.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:29 PM (iLKq8)
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I seem to recall that during the first couple months of the covid hysteria there wasn't a clear understanding of what the thing was.... bio-engineered death bug or what. So that certainly had an influence on anyone who didn't have the inside scoop on it. And I think Fauci and his co--conspirators knew what it was and hid it to push an agenda.
Whether that agenda was theirs alone, (I tend to think not) or foreign influenced (I think it was) didn't really matter if nobody outside a handful of people knew what covid really was.
Pardon(s) or not... Fauci and his co-conspirators need to hang. But they won't.
Whether that agenda was theirs alone, (I tend to think not) or foreign influenced (I think it was) didn't really matter if nobody outside a handful of people knew what covid really was.
Pardon(s) or not... Fauci and his co-conspirators need to hang. But they won't.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:29 PM (jehhT)
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114 Next time let's elect a Doctor for President.
Posted by: Case
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Dr. Hotez, I hear he's great.
Posted by: Case
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Dr. Hotez, I hear he's great.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:29 PM (iLKq8)
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Another way to look at it is this: people will always remember Jonas Salk as a hero of medicine. They will always remember Tony Fauci as a fucking butcher.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:30 PM (BI5O2)
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He was publicly pissed that Big Pharma didn't announce them soon enough in the campaign cycle.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
and that is how you came to vote for Biden and Kamala Harris. I am proud how you stick to your principles no matter what they turn out to be. Only a Hero man, only a Hero.
Never swerve, and never turn away from the consequences of your decision!
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
and that is how you came to vote for Biden and Kamala Harris. I am proud how you stick to your principles no matter what they turn out to be. Only a Hero man, only a Hero.
Never swerve, and never turn away from the consequences of your decision!
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (rbvCR)
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Salk was a butcher, too, YD
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (rbvCR)
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Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:29 PM (jehhT)
My late January/early February, someone had performed a DNA/RNA analysis of the virus and found that it had features that could not have existed together in nature via intermixing or mutation...focus was especially on the furin cleavage site (no, not Riddick's ass). The report disappeared pretty fast. I think we now know why.
My late January/early February, someone had performed a DNA/RNA analysis of the virus and found that it had features that could not have existed together in nature via intermixing or mutation...focus was especially on the furin cleavage site (no, not Riddick's ass). The report disappeared pretty fast. I think we now know why.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (l3cgK)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (iLKq8)
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Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (DrlQb)
I meant that was his excuse for stopping the bombing.
In order to make a grand bargain to open the Strait of Hormuz.
Which is closed again. Because the Iranian regime is what it is no matter how much anyone wants to pretend that they can be bribed into civility.
I meant that was his excuse for stopping the bombing.
In order to make a grand bargain to open the Strait of Hormuz.
Which is closed again. Because the Iranian regime is what it is no matter how much anyone wants to pretend that they can be bribed into civility.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
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117 114 Next time let's elect a Doctor for President.
Posted by: Case
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Dr. Hotez, I hear he's great.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:29 PM (iLKq
As an engineer I didn't work out so well, did I?
Posted by: Case
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Dr. Hotez, I hear he's great.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:29 PM (iLKq
As an engineer I didn't work out so well, did I?
Posted by: Zombie Herbert Hoover at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (l3cgK)
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Which is closed again. Because the Iranian regime is what it is no matter how much anyone wants to pretend that they can be bribed into civility.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
According to Centcom it is not closed...
Which is closed again. Because the Iranian regime is what it is no matter how much anyone wants to pretend that they can be bribed into civility.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
According to Centcom it is not closed...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (dFjQQ)
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113 Iran is a mistake that Reagan neglected to fix, and we've paid the price for that ever since. If we can fix it - and we can - there's no reason why we shouldn't try.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
Giving Iran’s thug dictator leaders $300B ain’t fixing shit.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
Let's assume for a moment that Trump actually is giving Iran $300B. How exactly could they possibly spend it to their ends effectively? When Obama gave Iran money, their infrastructure was completely intact, so any money they received could be funneled for max effect. We've just obliterated their military capacity. Other than paying themselves, they won't be able to utilize it before Election Day in the US. Trump, I think, doesn't care about what they do in 2027. He cares about what they do in the next four months. If he can keep Congress after Tue 3 Nov, he's bombing Iran on Thu 5 Nov if they haven't come to the table to surrender by then.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
Giving Iran’s thug dictator leaders $300B ain’t fixing shit.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
Let's assume for a moment that Trump actually is giving Iran $300B. How exactly could they possibly spend it to their ends effectively? When Obama gave Iran money, their infrastructure was completely intact, so any money they received could be funneled for max effect. We've just obliterated their military capacity. Other than paying themselves, they won't be able to utilize it before Election Day in the US. Trump, I think, doesn't care about what they do in 2027. He cares about what they do in the next four months. If he can keep Congress after Tue 3 Nov, he's bombing Iran on Thu 5 Nov if they haven't come to the table to surrender by then.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (DrlQb)
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115: But Trump believed that covid was dangerous. Hell he used emergency powers act to get manufactours to build ventilators. He messed up and trusted or mustly trusted Fauci and the scarf lady.
I am not a commiecrat, I am okay with a president who is human and makes mistakes. IMO covid was one of Trumps mistakes in his first term. He learned from it and has been much better at not accepting traitors suggested by the DC Rs as staff and so on.
I am not a commiecrat, I am okay with a president who is human and makes mistakes. IMO covid was one of Trumps mistakes in his first term. He learned from it and has been much better at not accepting traitors suggested by the DC Rs as staff and so on.
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 01:34 PM (PV+Zw)
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Salk was a butcher, too, YD
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (rbvCR)
How so? I had no idea. His vaccine actually worked and didn't kill thousands of people like this piece of shit... what did he do? Unethical human trials or something?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (rbvCR)
How so? I had no idea. His vaccine actually worked and didn't kill thousands of people like this piece of shit... what did he do? Unethical human trials or something?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:34 PM (BI5O2)
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If he can keep Congress after Tue 3 Nov, he's bombing Iran on Thu 5 Nov if they haven't come to the table to surrender by then.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (DrlQb)
Oh, we won't know the exact results for more than a month.
If he can keep Congress after Tue 3 Nov, he's bombing Iran on Thu 5 Nov if they haven't come to the table to surrender by then.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (DrlQb)
Oh, we won't know the exact results for more than a month.
Posted by: Kalifornia at June 21, 2026 01:35 PM (l3cgK)
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I'm going to wait and see what Steven Colbert says about the new vaccines before I make any decisions
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 21, 2026 01:35 PM (BZaww)
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120 Salk was a butcher, too, YD
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (rbvCR)
Salk never won the Nobel Prize for Medicine. If ever there was a shoo-in for someone to get it, it would have been him. He was such a toxic personality that he had no peers that would vouch for him getting it.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:31 PM (rbvCR)
Salk never won the Nobel Prize for Medicine. If ever there was a shoo-in for someone to get it, it would have been him. He was such a toxic personality that he had no peers that would vouch for him getting it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:35 PM (DrlQb)
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I never thought I would agree with Trump 100% but I did and do know he is better right now than the alternatives would have been. The good has far outweighed the bad with Trump 2.0 and I'm not going to dump on him which only helps the Left. Also my disagreement with Iran is based on conjecture just as those who support it is also based on conjecture on how it will turn out.
I hope I'm wrong because no amount of criticism from me is going to change the outcome.
I hope I'm wrong because no amount of criticism from me is going to change the outcome.
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:36 PM (KC5Lt)
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Trump fell for the Covid B.S. They did take advantage of his germaphobia. But at that, Trump thought he was cutting red tape so that high risk people could get the vaccine. It was after Nov 2020, with the Joe Bribeme admin, and the FNM who pushes commie narratives for free and other narratives when the price is right, that it became "everybody has to be vaccinated to save grandma, and/or end the masking and isolation rules ".
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (PV+Zw)
Because everything with the left is a gateway. Gay marriage became you bake that fucking cake, to sex changes for 10 year olds, and tranny hour at kindergarten. They do it with everything. Oh maybe a vax to help with a small % of people who might benefit , and maybe just 2 weeks to flatten the curve became everybody get the vax or its camps for you, and yeah, the kids will be out of school for a year, our manufacturing will be fucked, and no you can't be outside alone in a frigging desert without a mask.
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 01:26 PM (PV+Zw)
Because everything with the left is a gateway. Gay marriage became you bake that fucking cake, to sex changes for 10 year olds, and tranny hour at kindergarten. They do it with everything. Oh maybe a vax to help with a small % of people who might benefit , and maybe just 2 weeks to flatten the curve became everybody get the vax or its camps for you, and yeah, the kids will be out of school for a year, our manufacturing will be fucked, and no you can't be outside alone in a frigging desert without a mask.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 21, 2026 01:37 PM (snZF9)
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There are terms of agreement that must be met.
When they meet a term they receive a portion of their money, that is being withheld, back.
If they VIOLATE Any portion of the agreement the deal is off and Trump, 'bombs them in the head'.
When they meet a term they receive a portion of their money, that is being withheld, back.
If they VIOLATE Any portion of the agreement the deal is off and Trump, 'bombs them in the head'.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:37 PM (iLKq8)
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That said, Trump and most of the rest of the world was acting on incomplete, imperfect information.
As do I. Every single damn day ending in Y. Just like everyone else.
Yet - if the calls I make turn out wrong ? Then I'm wrong. That's how it works.
As do I. Every single damn day ending in Y. Just like everyone else.
Yet - if the calls I make turn out wrong ? Then I'm wrong. That's how it works.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:37 PM (P5MQi)
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...Trump did not cover himself in glory during Covid. And yes - Trump sold these shots as "the cure". To say he didn't is revisionist history.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
There is a claim out there that Putin is the hero here. He had produced the Sputnik vaxx, which was a standard old school vaccine.
The argument was that with the production of the COVID virus, and the "only effective mRNA treatment" the west could implement vaccine passports to end the spread through travel restrictions. This could have passed on to digital ID through WHO demands, and would have been transnational and inescapable.
There was a bit of that going on with the vaccine passports, up until Putin's government labs put out Sputnik and a low price that was taken up widely by the Global South at something like $10 USD per dose, and that broke the option for global adoption of the mRNA and the enforced vaccine passports under WHO which depended on that.
This is very troubling in its implications
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:01 PM (P5MQi)
There is a claim out there that Putin is the hero here. He had produced the Sputnik vaxx, which was a standard old school vaccine.
The argument was that with the production of the COVID virus, and the "only effective mRNA treatment" the west could implement vaccine passports to end the spread through travel restrictions. This could have passed on to digital ID through WHO demands, and would have been transnational and inescapable.
There was a bit of that going on with the vaccine passports, up until Putin's government labs put out Sputnik and a low price that was taken up widely by the Global South at something like $10 USD per dose, and that broke the option for global adoption of the mRNA and the enforced vaccine passports under WHO which depended on that.
This is very troubling in its implications
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:38 PM (rbvCR)
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> Giving Iran’s thug dictator leaders $300B ain’t fixing shit.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
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We're not "giving" Iran or the mullahs anything. The $300B is frozen Iranian assets.
Sure, the US froze them, but they're originally Iran's funds. Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
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We're not "giving" Iran or the mullahs anything. The $300B is frozen Iranian assets.
Sure, the US froze them, but they're originally Iran's funds. Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:38 PM (jehhT)
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As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy.
And here we go. Again. Just shut up Americans. I've got the World to think about.
Is that what you want to go with ? Sure about that ?
And here we go. Again. Just shut up Americans. I've got the World to think about.
Is that what you want to go with ? Sure about that ?
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:39 PM (P5MQi)
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I don't think cash is changing hands unless Iran completes certain requirements of the deal and it's going out piecemeal based on requirements.
Trump wasn't opposed to Obama's deal except that Obama gave all the money up front .
Trump wasn't opposed to Obama's deal except that Obama gave all the money up front .
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (KC5Lt)
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Because everything with the left is a gateway. Gay marriage became you bake that fucking cake, to sex changes for 10 year olds, and tranny hour at kindergarten. They do it with everything. Oh maybe a vax to help with a small % of people who might benefit , and maybe just 2 weeks to flatten the curve became everybody get the vax or its camps for you, and yeah, the kids will be out of school for a year, our manufacturing will be fucked, and no you can't be outside alone in a frigging desert without a mask.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Put that in a frame and nail it on the wall.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Put that in a frame and nail it on the wall.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (iLKq8)
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137 > Giving Iran’s thug dictator leaders $300B ain’t fixing shit.
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
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We're not "giving" Iran or the mullahs anything. The $300B is frozen Iranian assets.
Sure, the US froze them, but they're originally Iran's funds. Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:38 PM (jehhT)
Maybe we should do it Chinese style: Charge IRAN for the costs of our military and munitions used...deduct it from the frozen assets...
Posted by: Heroq at June 21, 2026 01:28 PM (3cXW4)
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We're not "giving" Iran or the mullahs anything. The $300B is frozen Iranian assets.
Sure, the US froze them, but they're originally Iran's funds. Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:38 PM (jehhT)
Maybe we should do it Chinese style: Charge IRAN for the costs of our military and munitions used...deduct it from the frozen assets...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (l3cgK)
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I have read that an early batch of the polio vaccine (probably Salk's?) had not sufficiently weakened the polio and the recipients actually contracted polio from the shot.
I believe to this day they still have a weakened but live polio vaccine as well as one with killed polio virus. And some docs or CDC etc encourage the weakened version to be used because it can confer some immunity to non-vaccinated kids. Never married and had kids but when I read that and was still of child bearing age I thought "well my pediatrician will be told to give my future kid the killed virus version"
I believe to this day they still have a weakened but live polio vaccine as well as one with killed polio virus. And some docs or CDC etc encourage the weakened version to be used because it can confer some immunity to non-vaccinated kids. Never married and had kids but when I read that and was still of child bearing age I thought "well my pediatrician will be told to give my future kid the killed virus version"
Posted by: PaleRider at June 21, 2026 01:41 PM (PV+Zw)
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140 Because everything with the left is a gateway. Gay marriage became you bake that fucking cake, to sex changes for 10 year olds, and tranny hour at kindergarten. They do it with everything. Oh maybe a vax to help with a small % of people who might benefit , and maybe just 2 weeks to flatten the curve became everybody get the vax or its camps for you, and yeah, the kids will be out of school for a year, our manufacturing will be fucked, and no you can't be outside alone in a frigging desert without a mask.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Put that in a frame and nail it on the wall.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (iLKq
Yeah...
It would be like forcing everybody to get Monkey Pox vaccines and stay masked and 6 feet apart because gays can't help shoving their meat into pustulant asses.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Put that in a frame and nail it on the wall.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (iLKq
Yeah...
It would be like forcing everybody to get Monkey Pox vaccines and stay masked and 6 feet apart because gays can't help shoving their meat into pustulant asses.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:42 PM (l3cgK)
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There's no good explanation for Trump going all in on that vaccine.
Perhaps he was party to the entire scheme, which I highly doubt, given that he was the main target of a big part of it.
Or, he was a credulous fool who got rooked by people who he of all people should have seen through instantly.
Neither is satisfactory.
Perhaps he was party to the entire scheme, which I highly doubt, given that he was the main target of a big part of it.
Or, he was a credulous fool who got rooked by people who he of all people should have seen through instantly.
Neither is satisfactory.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:42 PM (BI5O2)
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Because everything with the left is a gateway.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
Damn it, you don't understand. Sure, Trump lived amongst the Left his entire life. But how could he possibly know they would do what they always do ? Besides - he had "imperfect information".
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
Damn it, you don't understand. Sure, Trump lived amongst the Left his entire life. But how could he possibly know they would do what they always do ? Besides - he had "imperfect information".
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:43 PM (P5MQi)
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Salk never won the Nobel Prize for Medicine. If ever there was a shoo-in for someone to get it, it would have been him. He was such a toxic personality that he had no peers that would vouch for him getting it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:35 PM (DrlQb)
Cutter labs incident probably had something to do with that
The only circulating polio strain in the developed world is the one we use for vaccinations, by the way. An uncharitable man would suggest that Polio vaccination has turned into a way to inoculate the population from the possible injuries from the vaccination itself.
But I am charitable and I am perfectly willing to listen to any explanation that resolves that question
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:35 PM (DrlQb)
Cutter labs incident probably had something to do with that
The only circulating polio strain in the developed world is the one we use for vaccinations, by the way. An uncharitable man would suggest that Polio vaccination has turned into a way to inoculate the population from the possible injuries from the vaccination itself.
But I am charitable and I am perfectly willing to listen to any explanation that resolves that question
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:43 PM (rbvCR)
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was taken up widely by the Global South at something like $10 USD per dose, and that broke the option for global adoption of the mRNA and the enforced vaccine passports under WHO which depended on that.
This is very troubling in its implications
Posted by: Kindltot
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Thought I was keeping up. What are the troubling implications?
This is very troubling in its implications
Posted by: Kindltot
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Thought I was keeping up. What are the troubling implications?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:43 PM (iLKq8)
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According to Centcom it is not closed...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (dFjQQ)
So what?
Iran declared it closed after their minions in Hezbollah fired on Israel, and they unsurprisingly fired back, citing language in the MoU that Trump foolishly agreed to about Lebanon. Current reporting is that no one crossed the strait overnight so as not to risk Iranian attack. So it's as closed as it has been at any point in the last three months.
I'd post a ZH link, but I can't get through to tinyurl for some reason.
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2026 01:33 PM (dFjQQ)
So what?
Iran declared it closed after their minions in Hezbollah fired on Israel, and they unsurprisingly fired back, citing language in the MoU that Trump foolishly agreed to about Lebanon. Current reporting is that no one crossed the strait overnight so as not to risk Iranian attack. So it's as closed as it has been at any point in the last three months.
I'd post a ZH link, but I can't get through to tinyurl for some reason.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:44 PM (vSvIl)
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Which is closed again. Because the Iranian regime is what it is no matter how much anyone wants to pretend that they can be bribed into civility.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
They also want to pretend that they can close the straits at will in the face of the USN and the other gulf state's navies.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
They also want to pretend that they can close the straits at will in the face of the USN and the other gulf state's navies.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:44 PM (rbvCR)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:44 PM (iLKq8)
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We're not "giving" Iran or the mullahs anything. The $300B is frozen Iranian assets. Sure, the US froze them, but they're originally Iran's funds. Or so I've been told.
If I win $20 off you at the Poker Table ? And then I - for whatever reason - flip you a $20 chip ?
I just gave you $20. Because that money was mine the moment I took it.
If I win $20 off you at the Poker Table ? And then I - for whatever reason - flip you a $20 chip ?
I just gave you $20. Because that money was mine the moment I took it.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:44 PM (P5MQi)
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My dog and I ran into a couple of bucks this morning hanging out next to the trail. They both had fresh-looking velvety antlers. It's unusual to see bucks hanging out together, but June is Pride Month I guess.
Posted by: $XOM Shareholder at June 21, 2026 01:45 PM (2ap+5)
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Here's a simple question with an obvious answer:
Do you think the R & D departments in various Pharmacuetical companies are interested in outright cures, or do you think their focus is more on "medical maintenance" type treatments?
Keep in mind that actual all encompassing iINDUSTRIES have been created to address individual diseases and medical conditions. Industries require employees, who require stability and compensation. They have made a career out of finding a cure (which if found negates that career). So, medical maintenance (which provides ongoing revenue) is the focus. Cures would harm the bottom line.
Do you think the R & D departments in various Pharmacuetical companies are interested in outright cures, or do you think their focus is more on "medical maintenance" type treatments?
Keep in mind that actual all encompassing iINDUSTRIES have been created to address individual diseases and medical conditions. Industries require employees, who require stability and compensation. They have made a career out of finding a cure (which if found negates that career). So, medical maintenance (which provides ongoing revenue) is the focus. Cures would harm the bottom line.
Posted by: Orson at June 21, 2026 01:46 PM (dIske)
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How so? I had no idea. His vaccine actually worked and didn't kill thousands of people like this piece of shit... what did he do? Unethical human trials or something?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:34 PM (BI5O2)
Yes. The Cutter incident too. Also the standards to what polio is was changed when the vaccine came out so the stats showed a reduction in polio.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:34 PM (BI5O2)
Yes. The Cutter incident too. Also the standards to what polio is was changed when the vaccine came out so the stats showed a reduction in polio.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:46 PM (rbvCR)
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138 As a leader, Trump not only had to think about the health of US citizens, but the world economy.
And here we go. Again. Just shut up Americans. I've got the World to think about.
Is that what you want to go with ? Sure about that ?
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:39 PM (P5MQi)
Don't put words in my mouth. The US is not an autarky. What happens in the world - especially with the world supply chains shut down by C-19 - affects us as well. Trump can certainly answer for what the 'vaccine' did to people here in the USA. What I wrote was if we couldn't have proper international trade flowing again, the consequences of that would have been more severe for everyone than people - even many people - getting secondary illnesses. The Great Toilet Paper Panic of 2020 would have been the least of our worries then. I stand by that assertion.
And here we go. Again. Just shut up Americans. I've got the World to think about.
Is that what you want to go with ? Sure about that ?
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:39 PM (P5MQi)
Don't put words in my mouth. The US is not an autarky. What happens in the world - especially with the world supply chains shut down by C-19 - affects us as well. Trump can certainly answer for what the 'vaccine' did to people here in the USA. What I wrote was if we couldn't have proper international trade flowing again, the consequences of that would have been more severe for everyone than people - even many people - getting secondary illnesses. The Great Toilet Paper Panic of 2020 would have been the least of our worries then. I stand by that assertion.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:47 PM (DrlQb)
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Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 01:42 PM (BI5O2)
Trump put the search for a vaccine on the fast track and when they delivered some quickly Trump of course wanted credit and thus he was a supporter. Of course it appears he ignored all the warnings of an mRNA vax and just hung his hat on ' I got a vax quicker than anyone in history! '
Trump put the search for a vaccine on the fast track and when they delivered some quickly Trump of course wanted credit and thus he was a supporter. Of course it appears he ignored all the warnings of an mRNA vax and just hung his hat on ' I got a vax quicker than anyone in history! '
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:47 PM (KC5Lt)
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The so called war is getting too crowded.
Posted by: Case at June 21, 2026 01:48 PM (IY9No)
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I just gave you $20. Because that money was mine the moment I took it.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:44 PM (P5MQi)
Would you like to guess the link between excluding Russia from SWIFT and the development of the BRICS?
Why would India and China think they needed an alternate international settlement system when Obama was President?
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:44 PM (P5MQi)
Would you like to guess the link between excluding Russia from SWIFT and the development of the BRICS?
Why would India and China think they needed an alternate international settlement system when Obama was President?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:48 PM (rbvCR)
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I'd post a ZH link, but I can't get through to tinyurl for some reason.
Posted by: Methos
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ZH brings a lot of information but one must consider its' source, they need clicks too. Otherwise it appears that you are particularly adverse to any sourced information. At best.
Posted by: Methos
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ZH brings a lot of information but one must consider its' source, they need clicks too. Otherwise it appears that you are particularly adverse to any sourced information. At best.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:49 PM (iLKq8)
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Do you think the R & D departments in various Pharmacuetical companies are interested in outright cures, or do you think their focus is more on "medical maintenance" type treatments?
The only one interested in your individual health is you. Big Pharma wants to sell you a product - same as everyone else.
At least Big HVAC produces tangible results. You want to be cool or warm ? They sell a solution. They're more honest that Big Auto - which seems dead set on telling you how you should enjoy driving instead of just giving you want you want to drive.
Big Health (doctors and pharma) baffle me - with how older than me folks treat them. "My doctor said I have to do X".
Every thought about telling your doctor to go fuck himself ? He works for you, after all. He should not "make" you do anything. He's a consultant.
The only one interested in your individual health is you. Big Pharma wants to sell you a product - same as everyone else.
At least Big HVAC produces tangible results. You want to be cool or warm ? They sell a solution. They're more honest that Big Auto - which seems dead set on telling you how you should enjoy driving instead of just giving you want you want to drive.
Big Health (doctors and pharma) baffle me - with how older than me folks treat them. "My doctor said I have to do X".
Every thought about telling your doctor to go fuck himself ? He works for you, after all. He should not "make" you do anything. He's a consultant.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:49 PM (P5MQi)
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Sure, the US froze them, but they're originally Iran's funds. Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:38 PM (jehhT)
Maybe we should do it Chinese style: Charge IRAN for the costs of our military and munitions used...deduct it from the frozen assets...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (l3cgK)
It wasn't that long ago that Bessent was proposing to use the funds to repair damage down by Iran's "drone everybody" approach to the war.
In any case it's funds that Iran didn't have three weeks ago that are potentially being given.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:38 PM (jehhT)
Maybe we should do it Chinese style: Charge IRAN for the costs of our military and munitions used...deduct it from the frozen assets...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2026 01:40 PM (l3cgK)
It wasn't that long ago that Bessent was proposing to use the funds to repair damage down by Iran's "drone everybody" approach to the war.
In any case it's funds that Iran didn't have three weeks ago that are potentially being given.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:50 PM (vSvIl)
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Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:47 PM (DrlQ
Pick your poison. I'd rather the US say okay we have shortages . We are going to start manufacturing these products ourself though we may have short term pain. We're Americans.Suck it up and get to work. (. Also American capitalists there is money to be made)
Pick your poison. I'd rather the US say okay we have shortages . We are going to start manufacturing these products ourself though we may have short term pain. We're Americans.Suck it up and get to work. (. Also American capitalists there is money to be made)
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:50 PM (KC5Lt)
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Thought I was keeping up. What are the troubling implications?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:43 PM (iLKq
Maybe that Putin is more dimensioned that some Evil Hun meme generated for WWI?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:43 PM (iLKq
Maybe that Putin is more dimensioned that some Evil Hun meme generated for WWI?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (rbvCR)
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Why would India and China think they needed an alternate international settlement system when Obama was President?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:48 PM (rbvCR)
I know that answer. Because "The Dollar" is just fiat currency now as well. No better than anyone else.
On this - I get it. If I'm "not" in the United States ? Wouldn't want to trade on the dollar globally either. Its not like we're an honest broker of currency anymore. We are not.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:48 PM (rbvCR)
I know that answer. Because "The Dollar" is just fiat currency now as well. No better than anyone else.
On this - I get it. If I'm "not" in the United States ? Wouldn't want to trade on the dollar globally either. Its not like we're an honest broker of currency anymore. We are not.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (P5MQi)
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Which is closed again. Because the Iranian regime is what it is no matter how much anyone wants to pretend that they can be bribed into civility.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
SoH is open and traffic is freely passing. The IRGC is just throwing more bullshit into the air.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:32 PM (vSvIl)
SoH is open and traffic is freely passing. The IRGC is just throwing more bullshit into the air.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (g8Ew8)
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According to Grok, she is compromised already and should have recused herself.
"Dr. Hana El Sahly recused herself from reviewing COVID-19 vaccines for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in September 2020 due to a potential conflict of interest. As the chairwoman of the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, she stepped aside because she was simultaneously serving as a lead investigator for Moderna Inc.'s late-stage COVID-19 vaccine trial."
The grift goes on...
"Dr. Hana El Sahly recused herself from reviewing COVID-19 vaccines for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in September 2020 due to a potential conflict of interest. As the chairwoman of the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, she stepped aside because she was simultaneously serving as a lead investigator for Moderna Inc.'s late-stage COVID-19 vaccine trial."
The grift goes on...
Posted by: SL at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (aFtqG)
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Dr. Hana El Sahly. A muslim? Reason enough right there to distrust her.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 01:53 PM (1z8ji)
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> There's no good explanation for Trump going all in on that vaccine.
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It was speculated at the time that Trump was a bit of a germaphobe and Fauci played to that weakness. Probably told Trump a "worst case scenario" that was totally fictitious. And because Fauci was in bed with the various US intelligence agencies, those entities confirmed what the CDC and Fauci was telling him.
"Speculation" But to a certain degree, makes sense.
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It was speculated at the time that Trump was a bit of a germaphobe and Fauci played to that weakness. Probably told Trump a "worst case scenario" that was totally fictitious. And because Fauci was in bed with the various US intelligence agencies, those entities confirmed what the CDC and Fauci was telling him.
"Speculation" But to a certain degree, makes sense.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2026 01:53 PM (jehhT)
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And the thing that pisses me off is it seems we still haven't learned our lesson and products that are a national security issue still aren't made here or have a supply until it can be.
Screw Just In Time Inventory
Screw Just In Time Inventory
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:53 PM (KC5Lt)
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162 Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:47 PM (DrlQ
Pick your poison. I'd rather the US say okay we have shortages . We are going to start manufacturing these products ourself though we may have short term pain. We're Americans.Suck it up and get to work. (. Also American capitalists there is money to be made)
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:50 PM (KC5Lt)
That is an absolutely fair critique of my argument. And I think that in the longer term, you're right - a move towards self-sufficiency helps us greatly. Trump's reshoring efforts are one way to get us there. What I would say is that it's one thing to run on that goal and get people to vote for it, and another thing to back them into a corner in the middle of a crisis - and the 2020 election - and push that policy. Reasonable people can disagree. I don't think that Trump 1.0 had the ability - and certainly not the political capital in 2020 - to do what you suggest back then.
Pick your poison. I'd rather the US say okay we have shortages . We are going to start manufacturing these products ourself though we may have short term pain. We're Americans.Suck it up and get to work. (. Also American capitalists there is money to be made)
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:50 PM (KC5Lt)
That is an absolutely fair critique of my argument. And I think that in the longer term, you're right - a move towards self-sufficiency helps us greatly. Trump's reshoring efforts are one way to get us there. What I would say is that it's one thing to run on that goal and get people to vote for it, and another thing to back them into a corner in the middle of a crisis - and the 2020 election - and push that policy. Reasonable people can disagree. I don't think that Trump 1.0 had the ability - and certainly not the political capital in 2020 - to do what you suggest back then.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (DrlQb)
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (P5MQi)
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On this - I get it. If I'm "not" in the United States ? Wouldn't want to trade on the dollar globally either. Its not like we're an honest broker of currency anymore. We are not.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (P5MQi)
Which is why you are supporting Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez. I celebrate your dedication to an economic concept, even though it has failed continually.
I am certain that the City of London banks appreciate your support.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (P5MQi)
Which is why you are supporting Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez. I celebrate your dedication to an economic concept, even though it has failed continually.
I am certain that the City of London banks appreciate your support.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (rbvCR)
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Going over to my parents little later, my sister is meeting us with dinner
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:56 PM (Ia/+0)
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ZH brings a lot of information but one must consider its' source, they need clicks too. Otherwise it appears that you are particularly adverse to any sourced information. At best.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:49 PM (iLKq
The source was a site that monitor the transponders of traffic through the strait, and there wasn't any overnight.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 01:49 PM (iLKq
The source was a site that monitor the transponders of traffic through the strait, and there wasn't any overnight.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:56 PM (vSvIl)
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I don't think that Trump 1.0 had the ability - and certainly not the political capital in 2020 - to do what you suggest back then.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (DrlQb)
And my kid - at 12 - didn't have the ability to drive a car. But if he took the keys and knocked the shit out of the fenders ?
"Well ... he's learning" is not an excuse. Trump wasn't drafted into the job. He wanted the job. All the heat for all the mistakes is justified.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (DrlQb)
And my kid - at 12 - didn't have the ability to drive a car. But if he took the keys and knocked the shit out of the fenders ?
"Well ... he's learning" is not an excuse. Trump wasn't drafted into the job. He wanted the job. All the heat for all the mistakes is justified.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:57 PM (P5MQi)
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Posted by: SL at June 21, 2026 01:52 PM (aFtqG)
They bypassed the vaccine review board and authorized its emergency use. The majority on that board would not have approved it thus the reason they were bypassed.
They bypassed the vaccine review board and authorized its emergency use. The majority on that board would not have approved it thus the reason they were bypassed.
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:57 PM (KC5Lt)
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Sanford in court:
Deys enuf niggers in here to make a Tarzan movie!
Deys enuf niggers in here to make a Tarzan movie!
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 21, 2026 01:58 PM (Kt19C)
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If I would have been President, and the likes of career medical authorities told me to do stuff, good chance i would do what they suggest
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:58 PM (Ia/+0)
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What I wrote was if we couldn't have proper international trade flowing again, the consequences of that would have been more severe for everyone than people - even many people - getting secondary illnesses
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Can we put a pin in that thought for when we celebrate America's "independence" in two weeks?
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Can we put a pin in that thought for when we celebrate America's "independence" in two weeks?
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 01:59 PM (vSvIl)
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Well ... he's learning" is not an excuse. Trump wasn't drafted into the job. He wanted the job. All the heat for all the mistakes is justified.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:57 PM (P5MQi)
I'm sure you could have done so much better under the same circumstances.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 01:57 PM (P5MQi)
I'm sure you could have done so much better under the same circumstances.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 21, 2026 01:59 PM (g8Ew8)
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If I would have been President, and the likes of career medical authorities told me to do stuff, good chance i would do what they suggest
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:58 PM (Ia/+0)
Not me.
Government scientists are proven liars, and they were long before this particular shitshow. They lie the paint off the walls. No sale.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:58 PM (Ia/+0)
Not me.
Government scientists are proven liars, and they were long before this particular shitshow. They lie the paint off the walls. No sale.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2026 02:00 PM (BI5O2)
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I asked my doc about getting a Tetantus booster. He said it's not needed. Only immigrants that never had one need it.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at June 21, 2026 02:00 PM (qFwJc)
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It baffels me that few see how roped in Trump was.
That anything he did would have been used against him.
The unused hospital ship in NY.
The recommendation for, brain fog on the anti-virans he was given) remember he caught Covid early on was given treatment and recommended it highly.
It was pulled from use.
They gagged Trump and beat him up on the whole thing.
That anything he did would have been used against him.
The unused hospital ship in NY.
The recommendation for, brain fog on the anti-virans he was given) remember he caught Covid early on was given treatment and recommended it highly.
It was pulled from use.
They gagged Trump and beat him up on the whole thing.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 02:00 PM (iLKq8)
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Which is why you are supporting Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (rbvCR)
And that's twice. What clever point do you think you are making ? The "well, its my guy so he's perfect" argument ?
Voted Trump three times. Pretty sure I picked the winner all three. But he fucked up Covid.
And he's fucking up Iran in spades. If he was eligible again ? I'd go Heavy D or Vance for starters.
The old man has passed his expiration date.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 01:55 PM (rbvCR)
And that's twice. What clever point do you think you are making ? The "well, its my guy so he's perfect" argument ?
Voted Trump three times. Pretty sure I picked the winner all three. But he fucked up Covid.
And he's fucking up Iran in spades. If he was eligible again ? I'd go Heavy D or Vance for starters.
The old man has passed his expiration date.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:00 PM (P5MQi)
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Screw Just In Time Inventory
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:53 PM (KC5Lt)
it is an attempt to create efficiency in the supply chain, and creates fragility as well.
It is also created by tax authorities, where any stock you have on hand is actually taxed, just like the capital equipment and the office furniture. There is also the problem that Just In Time also means companies are running on borrowed money, and the banks don't like to see extra inventory and the financials hate paying interest on money borrowed to buy stock that just sits around. That will have to be resolved before we get much more reserves built up in manufacturers.
I worked for a welding shop that did manufacturing on the side, and the boss was always on me for keeping too much hardware on hand, and of course if we were out of fasteners we couldn't get equipment out the door and get paid for it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 01:53 PM (KC5Lt)
it is an attempt to create efficiency in the supply chain, and creates fragility as well.
It is also created by tax authorities, where any stock you have on hand is actually taxed, just like the capital equipment and the office furniture. There is also the problem that Just In Time also means companies are running on borrowed money, and the banks don't like to see extra inventory and the financials hate paying interest on money borrowed to buy stock that just sits around. That will have to be resolved before we get much more reserves built up in manufacturers.
I worked for a welding shop that did manufacturing on the side, and the boss was always on me for keeping too much hardware on hand, and of course if we were out of fasteners we couldn't get equipment out the door and get paid for it.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 02:01 PM (rbvCR)
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I would have been President, and the likes of career medical authorities told me to do stuff, good chance i would do what they suggest
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:58 PM (Ia/+0)
If one would have taken the time to review the history of those experts. Especially the British guy who came up with the Covid mortality model, you would have seen so many red flags you would have dismissed them.
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 01:58 PM (Ia/+0)
If one would have taken the time to review the history of those experts. Especially the British guy who came up with the Covid mortality model, you would have seen so many red flags you would have dismissed them.
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 02:01 PM (KC5Lt)
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I'm sure you could have done so much better under the same circumstances.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 21, 2026 01:59 PM (g8Ew
Most of us could. A simple "No - that's bullshit" would have sufficed.
Many - in real time - were calling bullshit every day. Including here.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 21, 2026 01:59 PM (g8Ew
Most of us could. A simple "No - that's bullshit" would have sufficed.
Many - in real time - were calling bullshit every day. Including here.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (P5MQi)
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BEER CALL NOOD
or 1ST WORLD NOOD
or 1ST WORLD NOOD
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (Ia/+0)
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They created a disease, they lied about its origins, they used it to destroy our civil liberties and manipulate the country to be more compliant, and perhaps worst of all, they sabotaged possible treatments to favor their dangerous and expensive vaccine and treatments.
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And years later, still no hangings.
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And years later, still no hangings.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (6h45X)
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Multi-Clonal Antibodies is the treatment Trump received.
Recommended it for everyone, said, 'it made me feel ten years younger'. They shut him down.
Recommended it for everyone, said, 'it made me feel ten years younger'. They shut him down.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (iLKq8)
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I'm sure Dr.Jill could solve all our problems.
Posted by: Case at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (IY9No)
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Algae antifa should be charged with bio terrorism
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:55 PM (hLhMb)
Bind them hand and foot, and throw them face-down into the Reflecting Pool so they can reflect upon their sins. Until they drown.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at June 21, 2026 12:55 PM (hLhMb)
Bind them hand and foot, and throw them face-down into the Reflecting Pool so they can reflect upon their sins. Until they drown.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2026 02:03 PM (1z8ji)
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Screw Just In Time Inventory
You are really going to be pissed when you discover Six Sigma.
Posted by: Howdy
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You people aren't Team players. It's as if you are opposed to Quality Circles.
You are really going to be pissed when you discover Six Sigma.
Posted by: Howdy
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You people aren't Team players. It's as if you are opposed to Quality Circles.
Posted by: W. Edwards Deming at June 21, 2026 02:04 PM (XeU6L)
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Government scientists are proven liars, and they were long before this particular shitshow. They lie the paint off the walls. No sale.
Its like the Tuskegee Experiments never happened.
Its like the Tuskegee Experiments never happened.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:04 PM (P5MQi)
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Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 02:01 PM (rbvCR
I see JITI as all or nothing solution. It concentrates too much on the present without any consideration of the consequences of the future. It's a solution built on a model . Models will disappoint you in the real world.
I do think there is a compromise and tax solution.
I see JITI as all or nothing solution. It concentrates too much on the present without any consideration of the consequences of the future. It's a solution built on a model . Models will disappoint you in the real world.
I do think there is a compromise and tax solution.
Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2026 02:05 PM (KC5Lt)
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And he's fucking up Iran in spades. If he was eligible again ? I'd go Heavy D or Vance for starters.
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That's an interesting statement, given that what reporting I've seen is that Vance is leading the weak on Iran side of the administration (and his public statements seem to support that).
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That's an interesting statement, given that what reporting I've seen is that Vance is leading the weak on Iran side of the administration (and his public statements seem to support that).
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 02:05 PM (vSvIl)
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>>>And he's fucking up Iran in spades. If he was eligible again ? I'd go Heavy D or Vance for starters.
You are an underappreciated genius for international affairs on creating peace. Why are you here, and not banging on Rubio's door?
Certainly you are not here to just make people fight with you, since that would prove you a hypocrite.
(secret to arguments versus fights: arguments are for exploring options to discover solutions to conflict. Fights are to hurt the opponent so badly they run away or give up)
You are an underappreciated genius for international affairs on creating peace. Why are you here, and not banging on Rubio's door?
Certainly you are not here to just make people fight with you, since that would prove you a hypocrite.
(secret to arguments versus fights: arguments are for exploring options to discover solutions to conflict. Fights are to hurt the opponent so badly they run away or give up)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 02:06 PM (rbvCR)
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You people aren't Team players. It's as if you are opposed to Quality Circles.
Posted by: W. Edwards Deming at June 21, 2026 02:04 PM (XeU6L)
Who-ever you are - and I hope you sock off - you get it.
I'm 54. There's a manufacturing fad about once a decade. The Six Sigma shit was awful because Excel happened about the same time.
All these stupid fucking managers ... measuring shit wrong and then putting that dumb data into spreadsheets. Then buying Statistical Methods books and trying to apply that.
Get this ... real processes don't follow a Bell Curve. Not one bit.
Posted by: W. Edwards Deming at June 21, 2026 02:04 PM (XeU6L)
Who-ever you are - and I hope you sock off - you get it.
I'm 54. There's a manufacturing fad about once a decade. The Six Sigma shit was awful because Excel happened about the same time.
All these stupid fucking managers ... measuring shit wrong and then putting that dumb data into spreadsheets. Then buying Statistical Methods books and trying to apply that.
Get this ... real processes don't follow a Bell Curve. Not one bit.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:07 PM (P5MQi)
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A Federal pardon doesn’t apply to state crimes. Get Fauci (and Birx, and a slew of others) at the state level, the way NYS did Trump.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 21, 2026 02:07 PM (ZVgZ4)
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Have we forgotten Mrs. Fauci (aka Christine Grady)
"Christine Grady is the chief of the Department of Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and she is married to Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is a prominent immunologist and former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)."
"Christine Grady is the chief of the Department of Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and she is married to Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is a prominent immunologist and former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2026 02:08 PM (XeU6L)
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That's an interesting statement, given that what reporting I've seen is that Vance is leading the weak on Iran side of the administration (and his public statements seem to support that).
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 02:05 PM (vSvIl)
The best thing about Trump / Vance is that Trump is the bad cop. But I'm convinced that's not a choreographed move. Trump is just an attention-hungry old man amplifying his attention-hungry as he gets more old.
I think Vance is effective. We'll see if he can shake off the Trump in '28.
Posted by: Methos at June 21, 2026 02:05 PM (vSvIl)
The best thing about Trump / Vance is that Trump is the bad cop. But I'm convinced that's not a choreographed move. Trump is just an attention-hungry old man amplifying his attention-hungry as he gets more old.
I think Vance is effective. We'll see if he can shake off the Trump in '28.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:09 PM (P5MQi)
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Interesting post CBD.
A lot could be said on the topic, some of which might be illuminating. Probably would require an in-person conversation after a good meal, with an adult beverage in hand watching a mountain sunset.. Not so much on a forum such as this. So I shall defer.
I appreciate your efforts on this topic the last few years..
Cheers!
A lot could be said on the topic, some of which might be illuminating. Probably would require an in-person conversation after a good meal, with an adult beverage in hand watching a mountain sunset.. Not so much on a forum such as this. So I shall defer.
I appreciate your efforts on this topic the last few years..
Cheers!
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at June 21, 2026 02:10 PM (I0N4X)
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You are an underappreciated genius for international affairs on creating peace. Why are you here, and not banging on Rubio's door?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 02:06 PM (rbvCR)
And here we go. Have you ever built a car - from raw metal shapes - in your garage ? I haven't.
So then I can't comment on the difference between a Yugo and a BMW. Or note the flaws in each. After all - I've never built a sedan from the ground up.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2026 02:06 PM (rbvCR)
And here we go. Have you ever built a car - from raw metal shapes - in your garage ? I haven't.
So then I can't comment on the difference between a Yugo and a BMW. Or note the flaws in each. After all - I've never built a sedan from the ground up.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:11 PM (P5MQi)
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A lot of natural processes do follow a roughly Gaussian curve (not so much for small numbers: that’s when to use Student’s t-distribution) that’s why it’s used so much. But not all distributions are Gaussian. Use the statistics that fit the case.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 21, 2026 02:12 PM (ZVgZ4)
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A lot of natural processes do follow a roughly Gaussian curve (not so much for small numbers: that’s when to use Student’s t-distribution) that’s why it’s used so much. But not all distributions are Gaussian. Use the statistics that fit the case.
Manufacturing processes do not at all. Not one bit. Because they are not random in the slightest.
Manufacturing processes do not at all. Not one bit. Because they are not random in the slightest.
Posted by: Howdy at June 21, 2026 02:13 PM (P5MQi)
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And years later, still no hangings.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (6h45X)
That’s why they are trying to do it again.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 21, 2026 02:02 PM (6h45X)
That’s why they are trying to do it again.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 21, 2026 02:15 PM (ZVgZ4)
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202 Interesting post CBD.
A lot could be said on the topic, some of which might be illuminating. Probably would require an in-person conversation after a good meal, with an adult beverage in hand watching a mountain sunset.. Not so much on a forum such as this. So I shall defer.
I appreciate your efforts on this topic the last few years..
Cheers!
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at June 21, 2026 02:10 PM (I0N4X)
Too true, Muldoon. I really need to get myself to a MoMe soon.
Thanks, CBD!
A lot could be said on the topic, some of which might be illuminating. Probably would require an in-person conversation after a good meal, with an adult beverage in hand watching a mountain sunset.. Not so much on a forum such as this. So I shall defer.
I appreciate your efforts on this topic the last few years..
Cheers!
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at June 21, 2026 02:10 PM (I0N4X)
Too true, Muldoon. I really need to get myself to a MoMe soon.
Thanks, CBD!
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 21, 2026 02:15 PM (DrlQb)
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I think we are talking at cross purposes and mean different things by words like errors. If you are machining something to a certain length, you will find with more precise instruments, and more accurate measurements, that the deviations from that length do follow well known distributions. Perhaps by “error” you mean they forgot to galvanize the part after cutting it or the like. We would not be using the word “error” in the same way.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 21, 2026 02:24 PM (ZVgZ4)
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