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The Morning Rant
Senate Majority Leader John Thune admitted some Senate Republicans hate President Donald Trump too much to support the SAVE America Act, multiple sources familiar with the comments told the Daily Caller. Thune admitted during a closed-door GOP lunch on Wednesday that some Republican senators oppose President Donald Trump so strongly that they will never vote for the SAVE America Act, regardless of the legislation's merits, according to several sources familiar with the matter. The discussion quickly escalated into a heated exchange between Republican Utah Sen. Mike Lee, the bill's chief Senate sponsor, and several of his GOP colleagues. Republican Texas Sen. John Cornyn and Thune both challenged Lee's push for the legislation, according to a source familiar with the meeting.
Their opposition is personal, not political, and flies in the face of everything that their voters want. That these pathetic, puffed-up asses cannot tamp down their personal displeasure of President Trump, and do what is best for America is, frankly, disgusting, and the repercussions will be vast. I too am not a fan of Donald Trump's public personality... his bombastic pronouncements and his ricocheting around many issues. My solution is simple; I will not invite him to Thanksgiving dinner. I will however support him politically, because he is acting in the best interests of America and Americans, and that is far more important than any trivial opinion of his personality. That this disgusting cohort of faux Republicans allows their personal animus to damage their country is proof positive of the terminal malaise of the corporate GOP, and hopefully Americans will identify them and forcefully eject them from our political process. And for a template, just look at the Democrat Party! Their personalities are, in the main, vile, yet for all of their issues, the Democrats close ranks regardless of personal feelings and support their platforms, vote en masse for their favored bills, and present a united front. Imagine having to sit in a committee room or a meeting with Nadler or Pressley or Tlaib or Schiff or Schumer or Biden or... Sounds awful, because they are awful people, but the Democrat Party understands that personal animosity has no place in realpolitik, and they are more successful because of it. Perhaps that is because their political philosophy is clear: The acquisition of money to purchase power! [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter]. If you folks who are on X/Twitter would follow us it would be much appreciated!
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:00 AM (2YhKe)
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Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (PJdmB)
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Republicans that hate Donald Trump are heroes because they knew damn well he is a stupid poopyhead who doesn't know what he's doing and never learns anything.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (2YhKe)
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Willowed:
272 Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks just like a Moai. (first picture)
https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
272 Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks just like a Moai. (first picture)
https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
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My solution is simple; I will not invite him to my dolly and dishes party.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 18, 2026 11:02 AM (Kt19C)
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MUNKEY
MUNKEY
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (y9nCu)
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I think Kennedy (Cornpone, LA) may be one of those who is blocking SAVE, or at least not pushing it hard.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (Riz8t)
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Willowed:
272 Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks just like a Moai. (first picture)
https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
Was about to bring that across.
From the right angle, it looks like Squidward's home in Spongebob Squarepants.
272 Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks just like a Moai. (first picture)
https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
Was about to bring that across.
From the right angle, it looks like Squidward's home in Spongebob Squarepants.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (2YhKe)
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NOOD has been lum'd.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (2YhKe)
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Good morning good people.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (ItpVy)
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I love Trump's public persona. He's a larger-than-life figure and he embraces it.
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
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monkey!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (N1DT3)
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Thune Admits Some Senate Republicans Hate Trump Too Much To Support SAVE America Act
Which, specifically?
If you're incapable of answering that question so that they can face their voters then you are worse than they.
Which, specifically?
If you're incapable of answering that question so that they can face their voters then you are worse than they.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (ExV1e)
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No one talks about GOP senators specifically in this fight, for some reason.
Those GOP senators include people like Mitch McConnell (hates Trump, is retiring), Tillis (hates Trump, is retiring), Cassidy (hates Trump, is retiring), Cornyn (hates Trump, is retiring), and Murkowski (hates Trump, is a Democrat).
What leverage does anyone have on these people to get them to vote for something they don't want to vote for no matter the reason?
It's a majority of 53. It just takes 4 to sabotage any legislation so it can't pass by any measure, and those 5 will wear the ending of legislation that Trump wants passed like a badge of honor (think McCain killing the ACA repeal/replace thing).
And that's not counting what are probably at least 10 others who would much rather not vote for the SAVE Act for whatever reason and are just happy to have scapegoats (these are less of a concern because they are cowards, it seems).
It's not a defense of Thune, it's an acknowledgement of reality.
Those GOP senators include people like Mitch McConnell (hates Trump, is retiring), Tillis (hates Trump, is retiring), Cassidy (hates Trump, is retiring), Cornyn (hates Trump, is retiring), and Murkowski (hates Trump, is a Democrat).
What leverage does anyone have on these people to get them to vote for something they don't want to vote for no matter the reason?
It's a majority of 53. It just takes 4 to sabotage any legislation so it can't pass by any measure, and those 5 will wear the ending of legislation that Trump wants passed like a badge of honor (think McCain killing the ACA repeal/replace thing).
And that's not counting what are probably at least 10 others who would much rather not vote for the SAVE Act for whatever reason and are just happy to have scapegoats (these are less of a concern because they are cowards, it seems).
It's not a defense of Thune, it's an acknowledgement of reality.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:04 AM (Zn6QU)
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It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at June 18, 2026 11:04 AM (sgkY8)
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The bullets flying at Trump were aimed at the wrong person...
Posted by: Stateless - He ain't heavy, he's my dog at June 18, 2026 11:04 AM (Sco7b)
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Thune Admits Some Senate Republicans Hate Trump Too Much To Support SAVE America Act
Some men hate Trump so much they've cut off their dicks and balls!
Some men hate Trump so much they've cut off their dicks and balls!
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 18, 2026 11:04 AM (l3cgK)
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Thune Admits Some Senate Republicans Hate Trump Too Much To Support SAVE America Act
Which, specifically?
If you're incapable of answering that question so that they can face their voters then you are worse than they.
Yup. If you're unwilling to name names, you're part of the problem.
Which, specifically?
If you're incapable of answering that question so that they can face their voters then you are worse than they.
Yup. If you're unwilling to name names, you're part of the problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:04 AM (Riz8t)
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"That this disgusting cohort of faux Republicans allows their personal animus to damage their country "
Oh, bullshit. They get paid for this, whether in cash or favors.
Same all all the dipshits that do the sudden midterm resignation thing
Oh, bullshit. They get paid for this, whether in cash or favors.
Same all all the dipshits that do the sudden midterm resignation thing
Posted by: heya at June 18, 2026 11:05 AM (M4Oji)
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Nah Thune is lying.
The people that control the GOPe senators don't want them to vote for SAVE.
And this is the best lie Thune can come up with.
The people that control the GOPe senators don't want them to vote for SAVE.
And this is the best lie Thune can come up with.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2026 11:05 AM (sKqQm)
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8 Willowed:
272 Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks just like a Moai. (first picture)
https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
Was about to bring that across.
From the right angle, it looks like Squidward's home in Spongebob Squarepants.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (2YhKe)
What the hell is up with that skirt that Big Mike's wearing in that article? Whose face is on that skirt?
272 Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks just like a Moai. (first picture)
https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
Was about to bring that across.
From the right angle, it looks like Squidward's home in Spongebob Squarepants.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:03 AM (2YhKe)
What the hell is up with that skirt that Big Mike's wearing in that article? Whose face is on that skirt?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (l3cgK)
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We have the worst ruling class in the history of our country.
And considering previous members are FDR and Woodrow Wilson, that's quite an accomplishment.
Most of the previous ruling class members at least had SOME kind of real accomplishment. These leeches have sucked at the public teat for their entire lifetime and done nothing of any value whatsoever.
And considering previous members are FDR and Woodrow Wilson, that's quite an accomplishment.
Most of the previous ruling class members at least had SOME kind of real accomplishment. These leeches have sucked at the public teat for their entire lifetime and done nothing of any value whatsoever.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (N1DT3)
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"...proof positive of the terminal malaise of the corporate GOP, and hopefully Americans will identify them and forcefully eject them from our political process. "
if the enemy grants us the time.
if the enemy grants us the time.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (VyBeY)
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Which, specifically?
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Murk, Turtle, Tillis at a minimum.
I don’t think it’s some super secret list.
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Murk, Turtle, Tillis at a minimum.
I don’t think it’s some super secret list.
Posted by: Heroq at June 18, 2026 11:07 AM (X+Nnd)
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It's not a defense of Thune, it's an acknowledgement of reality.
It IS a defense of Thune if he's unwilling to tell us who the bad actors are, so that we can get rid of them. You point out that 4 of the known opponents are retiring, so what's the harm in naming them? We all know Murk is against the bill, so why not name her as well, so we can jettison her in '28?
Thune needs to stop putting amity among his "colleagues" *gag* before the wishes of the vast majority of his constituents. Name and shame them!
It IS a defense of Thune if he's unwilling to tell us who the bad actors are, so that we can get rid of them. You point out that 4 of the known opponents are retiring, so what's the harm in naming them? We all know Murk is against the bill, so why not name her as well, so we can jettison her in '28?
Thune needs to stop putting amity among his "colleagues" *gag* before the wishes of the vast majority of his constituents. Name and shame them!
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (Riz8t)
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First you get the money, then you get the power. Then you get the women.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (Ki5u2)
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plenty of folks on both sides of the aisle don't want voter integrity, albeit a lot more on the dem side.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (l3cgK)
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What the hell is up with that skirt that Big Mike's wearing in that article? Whose face is on that skirt?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (l3cgK)
I'm guessing Rosa Parks.
It hides her dick well, though.
What the hell is up with that skirt that Big Mike's wearing in that article? Whose face is on that skirt?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (l3cgK)
I'm guessing Rosa Parks.
It hides her dick well, though.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (2YhKe)
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We have the worst ruling class in the history of our country.
And considering previous members are FDR and Woodrow Wilson, that's quite an accomplishment.
What am I, chopped liver?
And considering previous members are FDR and Woodrow Wilson, that's quite an accomplishment.
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: James Buchanan at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (Riz8t)
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""That this disgusting cohort of faux Republicans allows their personal animus to damage their country is proof positive of the terminal malaise of the corporate GOP, and hopefully Americans will identify them and forcefully eject them from our political process.""
They should be forcefully ejected from the frigging planet.
They should be forcefully ejected from the frigging planet.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (snZF9)
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26 First you get the money, then you get the power. Then you get the women.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (Ki5u2)
Ahem, men and boys...
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (Ki5u2)
Ahem, men and boys...
Posted by: Sen. Lindsay Graham at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (l3cgK)
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First you get the money, then you get the power. Then you get the women.
Not sure the GOPer types are in it for access to *women*
Not sure the GOPer types are in it for access to *women*
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (sKqQm)
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25 It's not a defense of Thune, it's an acknowledgement of reality.
It IS a defense of Thune if he's unwilling to tell us who the bad actors are, so that we can get rid of them. You point out that 4 of the known opponents are retiring, so what's the harm in naming them? We all know Murk is against the bill, so why not name her as well, so we can jettison her in '28?
Thune needs to stop putting amity among his "colleagues" *gag* before the wishes of the vast majority of his constituents. Name and shame them!
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (Riz8t)
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Because his job is to manage his caucus. If he starts throwing his own senators under the bus, then he can't manage them at all.
And yet, I have yet to see any solution for getting Mitch McConnell or Tillis or Murkowski or Cassidy or Cornyn to vote for this right now.
Cornyn had incentive (keep his seat), and even he didn't try because he didn't want to.
What's the solution from the majority leader's perspective? What tools does he have against these people if they're not even willing to protect their own seats?
It IS a defense of Thune if he's unwilling to tell us who the bad actors are, so that we can get rid of them. You point out that 4 of the known opponents are retiring, so what's the harm in naming them? We all know Murk is against the bill, so why not name her as well, so we can jettison her in '28?
Thune needs to stop putting amity among his "colleagues" *gag* before the wishes of the vast majority of his constituents. Name and shame them!
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:08 AM (Riz8t)
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Because his job is to manage his caucus. If he starts throwing his own senators under the bus, then he can't manage them at all.
And yet, I have yet to see any solution for getting Mitch McConnell or Tillis or Murkowski or Cassidy or Cornyn to vote for this right now.
Cornyn had incentive (keep his seat), and even he didn't try because he didn't want to.
What's the solution from the majority leader's perspective? What tools does he have against these people if they're not even willing to protect their own seats?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (Zn6QU)
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It's a majority of 53. It just takes 4 to sabotage any legislation so it can't pass by any measure, and those 5 will wear the ending of legislation that Trump wants passed like a badge of honor (think McCain killing the ACA repeal/replace thing).
And we are intended to believe that those listed are the only ones who are a problem. That everyone else would do their constituents will but for them. But I suspect this is untrue and they do us a disservice by hiding the truth.
Senators who hate Trump could do like so many online commentators and just announce in every thing they say that they dislike him but...
And we are intended to believe that those listed are the only ones who are a problem. That everyone else would do their constituents will but for them. But I suspect this is untrue and they do us a disservice by hiding the truth.
Senators who hate Trump could do like so many online commentators and just announce in every thing they say that they dislike him but...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (ExV1e)
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The saying is, the bureaucracy/Deep State sees Presidents come and go, but they remain. How is it any different with Senators? The dead. The near-dead. All get to stay on at their pleasure. Now they are being threatened. Like a lot of things, Trump gets the blame, but also like a lot of things, they really blame us, and Trump is just the easy stand-in.
Posted by: Billy Barty at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (QaH55)
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34
And we are intended to believe that those listed are the only ones who are a problem. That everyone else would do their constituents will but for them. But I suspect this is untrue and they do us a disservice by hiding the truth.
Senators who hate Trump could do like so many online commentators and just announce in every thing they say that they dislike him but...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (ExV1e)
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I wonder if I wrote more beyond that...
And we are intended to believe that those listed are the only ones who are a problem. That everyone else would do their constituents will but for them. But I suspect this is untrue and they do us a disservice by hiding the truth.
Senators who hate Trump could do like so many online commentators and just announce in every thing they say that they dislike him but...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (ExV1e)
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I wonder if I wrote more beyond that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Zn6QU)
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Is McConnell even out of the hospital yet?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (2YhKe)
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35 The saying is, the bureaucracy/Deep State sees Presidents come and go, but they remain. How is it any different with Senators? The dead. The near-dead. All get to stay on at their pleasure. Now they are being threatened. Like a lot of things, Trump gets the blame, but also like a lot of things, they really blame us, and Trump is just the easy stand-in.
Posted by: Billy Barty at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (QaH55)
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This has been true since at least President Grant.
Posted by: Billy Barty at June 18, 2026 11:10 AM (QaH55)
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This has been true since at least President Grant.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Zn6QU)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (ebJJx)
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Because his job is to manage his caucus. If he starts throwing his own senators under the bus, then he can't manage them at all.
Then what's the point of having him as leader? If he can't enforce discipline on a bill as critical as this, he's useless.
Then what's the point of having him as leader? If he can't enforce discipline on a bill as critical as this, he's useless.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Riz8t)
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Their opposition is personal, not political, and flies in the face of everything that their voters want.
Their opposition is existential. Trump is tearing down centuries of world order. It's far greater than the notion of R vs. D.
Their opposition is existential. Trump is tearing down centuries of world order. It's far greater than the notion of R vs. D.
Posted by: t-bird at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (rJhDk)
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I wonder if I wrote more beyond that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Zn6QU)
If only you could read......
I wonder if I wrote more beyond that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Zn6QU)
If only you could read......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (2YhKe)
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40 Because his job is to manage his caucus. If he starts throwing his own senators under the bus, then he can't manage them at all.
Then what's the point of having him as leader? If he can't enforce discipline on a bill as critical as this, he's useless.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Riz8t)
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Well, that's why I kept writing.
What could any leader do in this situation?
Then what's the point of having him as leader? If he can't enforce discipline on a bill as critical as this, he's useless.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Riz8t)
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Well, that's why I kept writing.
What could any leader do in this situation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:12 AM (Zn6QU)
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Shit, Trump bombed brown people that were in between the brown people that Bush bombed. R’s.should be eating out of his hand.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 18, 2026 11:12 AM (Ki5u2)
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44 Shit, Trump bombed brown people that were in between the brown people that Bush bombed. R’s.should be eating out of his hand.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 18, 2026 11:12 AM (Ki5u2)
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The ROI from the MIC on bombs is far less than an occupation, though.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 18, 2026 11:12 AM (Ki5u2)
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The ROI from the MIC on bombs is far less than an occupation, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:12 AM (Zn6QU)
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What's the solution from the majority leader's perspective? What tools does he have against these people if they're not even willing to protect their own seats?
Honestly the primary tool left would be to look at whoever is paying these people and find ways to turn that cash payout off.
I'm not saying Thune can do it, but let's be honest Cassidy for example will get some no show $$$ job to reward him. What company/NGO is offering it?
Honestly the primary tool left would be to look at whoever is paying these people and find ways to turn that cash payout off.
I'm not saying Thune can do it, but let's be honest Cassidy for example will get some no show $$$ job to reward him. What company/NGO is offering it?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2026 11:13 AM (sKqQm)
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And we are intended to believe that those listed are the only ones who are a problem. That everyone else would do their constituents will but for them. But I suspect this is untrue and they do us a disservice by hiding the truth.
Exactly. If there's no reason to hide the truth, why hide it?
Exactly. If there's no reason to hide the truth, why hide it?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:13 AM (Riz8t)
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For the GOP to really hold power they need 55+ seats. Because there will always be 4-5 McCains among them.
It has been this way for as long as I have been following politics.nothing new here.
It has been this way for as long as I have been following politics.nothing new here.
Posted by: Heroq at June 18, 2026 11:13 AM (X+Nnd)
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 18, 2026 11:13 AM (QaH55)
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John McCain was the Ur-Silk-Pantied, Mean Girl Republican when -
he used the last act of his malevolent, cancer-scrambled brain to give a big ole thumbs down to the repeal of Obamacare, smiling all the while.
And he was hailed by Our Betters as a great man for doing so.
Well...he was a Great Democrat Mole. Great Republican? Great American? Not so much.
John McCain was the Ur-Silk-Pantied, Mean Girl Republican when -
he used the last act of his malevolent, cancer-scrambled brain to give a big ole thumbs down to the repeal of Obamacare, smiling all the while.
And he was hailed by Our Betters as a great man for doing so.
Well...he was a Great Democrat Mole. Great Republican? Great American? Not so much.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (iJfKG)
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Well, that's why I kept writing.
What could any leader do in this situation?
What's that? You want to head up a powerful, remunerative committee? Gee, I'm sorry, but that slot's already filled.
What could any leader do in this situation?
What's that? You want to head up a powerful, remunerative committee? Gee, I'm sorry, but that slot's already filled.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (Riz8t)
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Which, specifically?
If you're incapable of answering that question so that they can face their voters then you are worse than they.
Yup. If you're unwilling to name names, you're part of the problem.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Kennedy of LA is one example that talks differently behind closed doors than he does in public.
If you're incapable of answering that question so that they can face their voters then you are worse than they.
Yup. If you're unwilling to name names, you're part of the problem.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Kennedy of LA is one example that talks differently behind closed doors than he does in public.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (E4rtv)
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Their opposition is personal, not political, and flies in the face of everything that their voters want.
Their opposition is existential. Trump is tearing down centuries of world order. It's far greater than the notion of R vs. D.
Posted by: t-bird at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (rJhDk)
Entrenched money and power. Fighting for its life by appealing to the self-righteous, blinkered, low IQ Karens of the world.
Their opposition is existential. Trump is tearing down centuries of world order. It's far greater than the notion of R vs. D.
Posted by: t-bird at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (rJhDk)
Entrenched money and power. Fighting for its life by appealing to the self-righteous, blinkered, low IQ Karens of the world.
Posted by: LASue at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (6mVIs)
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It's very simple - there is a Uniparty, and there is a Republican wing of the Uniparty.
Although Uniparty Republicans will never be allowed to hold real power, they do get lots of bennies - a lot of the USAID money was flowing to "Republican" organizations, and flowing to Uniparty Republicans.
The Jebs, the Romneys, and the Pences did extremely well under the old system, so of course they will fight to preserve the old system.
Although Uniparty Republicans will never be allowed to hold real power, they do get lots of bennies - a lot of the USAID money was flowing to "Republican" organizations, and flowing to Uniparty Republicans.
The Jebs, the Romneys, and the Pences did extremely well under the old system, so of course they will fight to preserve the old system.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (aD4fx)
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If the SAVE act goes through the Dems instantly lose millions of votes.
BUT...the GOPe also loses a bunch of "moderate" R votes and suddenly they have to deliver conservative agenda items which is the opposite of why they ran in the first place
BUT...the GOPe also loses a bunch of "moderate" R votes and suddenly they have to deliver conservative agenda items which is the opposite of why they ran in the first place
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (sKqQm)
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This is Thune projecting. He hates Trump. But it's easier to claim there's widespread dislike for the President and his policies than to admit you're just a shit weasel.
But, the larger issue is that the SAVE Act would likely reduce the amount of graft the Republicans could scrape off the massive amount of fraud perpetrated on the American public.
So, Thune's wallet would be considerably lighter.
But, the larger issue is that the SAVE Act would likely reduce the amount of graft the Republicans could scrape off the massive amount of fraud perpetrated on the American public.
So, Thune's wallet would be considerably lighter.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (jehhT)
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I've said this before:
The career goal of a US Senator is to remain a US Senator.
The People can fuck all. Once you're in The Club, the rest is all gravy.
The career goal of a US Senator is to remain a US Senator.
The People can fuck all. Once you're in The Club, the rest is all gravy.
Posted by: Don Black at June 18, 2026 11:15 AM (fmTlv)
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Kennedy of LA is one example that talks differently behind closed doors than he does in public.
I mentioned him in #7. I really have come to loathe his Andy of Mayberry routine.
I mentioned him in #7. I really have come to loathe his Andy of Mayberry routine.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:15 AM (Riz8t)
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57 I've said this before:
The career goal of a US Senator is to remain a US Senator.
The People can fuck all. Once you're in The Club, the rest is all gravy.
Posted by: Don Black at June 18, 2026 11:15 AM (fmTlv)
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John Cornyn is an exhibit in the other direction, though.
He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
The career goal of a US Senator is to remain a US Senator.
The People can fuck all. Once you're in The Club, the rest is all gravy.
Posted by: Don Black at June 18, 2026 11:15 AM (fmTlv)
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John Cornyn is an exhibit in the other direction, though.
He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:16 AM (Zn6QU)
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One of the biggest problems with the Senate is the lack of term limits. Right now those Senators have no fear of Trump because they figure to outlast him in Washington.
If they had a two-term limit, they'd be more inclined to play ball.
If they had a two-term limit, they'd be more inclined to play ball.
Posted by: Shenanigans at June 18, 2026 11:16 AM (qmxL/)
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Let's look at Pence for example, his net worth went from about $1M to $4M after his betrayal of Trump. While you'd expect he'd get paid more....quadrupling your wealth for one political act explains why he did it...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (sKqQm)
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Their opposition is 1000% political, not personal. They hate their voters and they love voter fraud, or the people who love voter fraud.
This has nothing to do with personal animus. It's pure cover because people will buy that and it sounds better than the truth -"we have no intention of representing our own voters except occasionally in passing, vote for us."
This has nothing to do with personal animus. It's pure cover because people will buy that and it sounds better than the truth -"we have no intention of representing our own voters except occasionally in passing, vote for us."
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (ixZ1o)
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Murk is only there because of no election integrity.
Posted by: Reforger at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (wjnjX)
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"Who cares what my constituents want, Trump sucks!" is one hell of a position to take.
They can't lose their jobs fast enough.
They can't lose their jobs fast enough.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (mseD3)
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He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:16 AM (Zn6QU)
He would've run again unopposed were he to pass it. His ego and $$$$ backing him made him indestructible. Alas, Paxton was his Kryptonite.
He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:16 AM (Zn6QU)
He would've run again unopposed were he to pass it. His ego and $$$$ backing him made him indestructible. Alas, Paxton was his Kryptonite.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (2YhKe)
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He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
I think he genuinely thought he didn't really have to campaign very hard because he's a wise, silver-maned SENATOR who the people would never reject. He thought wrong.
I think he genuinely thought he didn't really have to campaign very hard because he's a wise, silver-maned SENATOR who the people would never reject. He thought wrong.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
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"Who cares what my constituents want, Trump sucks!" is one hell of a position to take.
They can't lose their jobs fast enough.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (mseD3)
I mean, have you READ the Iran Deal?!?
They can't lose their jobs fast enough.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (mseD3)
I mean, have you READ the Iran Deal?!?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (2YhKe)
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Just about every voter in Texas already knew that Cornyn opposed it, that’s why he lost to Paxton by a 2-1 margin. Now he’s not just taking revenge against Trump, he’s taking revenge against all the Texas voters who he hates for firing him.
It’s a flaw in our system that people can be voted out, but still hang around in power and causing trouble for 6 months.
It’s a flaw in our system that people can be voted out, but still hang around in power and causing trouble for 6 months.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (nuNhM)
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66 He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
I think he genuinely thought he didn't really have to campaign very hard because he's a wise, silver-maned SENATOR who the people would never reject. He thought wrong.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)
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He got 43% in the original primary before the runoff.
If he thought he was cakewalking to re-election after that, he's literally retarded and can't be reasoned with anyway.
I think he genuinely thought he didn't really have to campaign very hard because he's a wise, silver-maned SENATOR who the people would never reject. He thought wrong.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)
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He got 43% in the original primary before the runoff.
If he thought he was cakewalking to re-election after that, he's literally retarded and can't be reasoned with anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (Zn6QU)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
WHAT ARE you people. ON DOPE!!!????
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
WHAT ARE you people. ON DOPE!!!????
Posted by: Mr. Hand at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (2YhKe)
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We will pick up senate seats in the midterms. We should sacrifice Susan Collins to the god of fire and let Maine have their Nazi. Her latest betrayal on the SAVE Act presages another 6 years of treason.
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (q1tXs)
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These are people who have succeeded in politics. They are dirty double dealers. Yes some have egos that might have been put out by Trump at some point but that has fuck all to do with them not voting for a critical act all their voters want.
The whole thing is silly before one even thinks about it for half a second.
The whole thing is silly before one even thinks about it for half a second.
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (ixZ1o)
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He got 43% in the original primary before the runoff.
If he thought he was cakewalking to re-election after that, he's literally retarded and can't be reasoned with anyway.
Asked and answered.
If he thought he was cakewalking to re-election after that, he's literally retarded and can't be reasoned with anyway.
Asked and answered.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:19 AM (Riz8t)
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67 SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7V
9-0... Interesting
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7V
9-0... Interesting
Posted by: It's me donna at June 18, 2026 11:19 AM (hW9g4)
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California has term limits. Since Willie Brown. The Willie Brown who "elevated" Kamala Harris. Is that not enough for you bots on term limits for Congress? Of course not. Bots want term limits for Congress. Don't be a bot.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 18, 2026 11:19 AM (nFkiA)
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You think if Trump wanted Congress to give themselves a raise, they would vote against it because they hate him that much?
Come on now. Think.
Come on now. Think.
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 11:19 AM (ixZ1o)
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The SAVE Act seems an existential threat to the DC overlords. I can think of no other reason for their opposition over the objections of a large swath of the population. This obstructionism reveals, or should reveal, the true nature of our government. Hint : it is not about us.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (Gqar8)
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Trump's the excuse. They're not voting for SAVE because the Uniparty is a big club and we're not invited.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (2ocoG)
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71 SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
WHAT ARE you people. ON DOPE!!!????
Posted by: Mr. Hand at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (2YhKe)
Fentalated Meth...
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
WHAT ARE you people. ON DOPE!!!????
Posted by: Mr. Hand at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (2YhKe)
Fentalated Meth...
Posted by: Hunter at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (l3cgK)
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72 We will pick up senate seats in the midterms. We should sacrifice Susan Collins to the god of fire and let Maine have their Nazi. Her latest betrayal on the SAVE Act presages another 6 years of treason.
We've discussed this here many times. She's the best we can get from Maine, and because she's GOP, that gives us a leg up in achieving a majority, which is the critical thing. She can stay.
We've discussed this here many times. She's the best we can get from Maine, and because she's GOP, that gives us a leg up in achieving a majority, which is the critical thing. She can stay.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)
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72 We will pick up senate seats in the midterms. We should sacrifice Susan Collins to the god of fire and let Maine have their Nazi. Her latest betrayal on the SAVE Act presages another 6 years of treason.
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (q1tXs)
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Collins is going to win easily.
Remember, she voted for Kavanaugh. She's there when leadership needs her vote.
I do think MI will be a possible pickup. NC is a possible hold. GA is a dark horse victory in the making.
We'll see. A 56 seat GOP majority after immigration, Iran, and oil were all the killers of the midterms would make me laugh.
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:18 AM (q1tXs)
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Collins is going to win easily.
Remember, she voted for Kavanaugh. She's there when leadership needs her vote.
I do think MI will be a possible pickup. NC is a possible hold. GA is a dark horse victory in the making.
We'll see. A 56 seat GOP majority after immigration, Iran, and oil were all the killers of the midterms would make me laugh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (Zn6QU)
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (q1tXs)
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>>>They do not care about the future prospects of their constituents or their country, and the accumulation of wealth and prestige via their positions in a sadly diminished United States Senate is their only focus.
>They do not teach history and citizenship in school anymore, so everything becomes a carnival claw machine. Look, it's sponge bob!
>They do not teach history and citizenship in school anymore, so everything becomes a carnival claw machine. Look, it's sponge bob!
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 18, 2026 11:21 AM (9SpJJ)
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Well, that's why I kept writing.
What could any leader do in this situation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
As leader, McConnell could deliver the votes if he wanted to because he spent decades cultivating the caucus members making them wealthy in many cases and getting through their pet legislation as riders in the majority or not.
Thune presumably as heir apparent could use those relationships to pass SAVE. He does not because the whole key to McConnell's vote selling business was a closely divided Senate. If that is gone, then suddenly defectors get hammered by the rest of the caucus and the majority leader has a lot less power.
And if the filibuster is either evaded by the talking filibuster or destroyed, then the minority will be as powerless and and deprived of wealth opportunities/power/etc as the House minority.
The modern Senate was crafted since the 70's to essentially deadlock the legislative process to make only the most marginal changes possible in order to preserve a status quo. And that dysfunction has spread to nominations as eliminating the filibuster on those means no recess permanently to prevent presidents from filling those positions without goodies.
What could any leader do in this situation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
As leader, McConnell could deliver the votes if he wanted to because he spent decades cultivating the caucus members making them wealthy in many cases and getting through their pet legislation as riders in the majority or not.
Thune presumably as heir apparent could use those relationships to pass SAVE. He does not because the whole key to McConnell's vote selling business was a closely divided Senate. If that is gone, then suddenly defectors get hammered by the rest of the caucus and the majority leader has a lot less power.
And if the filibuster is either evaded by the talking filibuster or destroyed, then the minority will be as powerless and and deprived of wealth opportunities/power/etc as the House minority.
The modern Senate was crafted since the 70's to essentially deadlock the legislative process to make only the most marginal changes possible in order to preserve a status quo. And that dysfunction has spread to nominations as eliminating the filibuster on those means no recess permanently to prevent presidents from filling those positions without goodies.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:21 AM (E4rtv)
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78 The SAVE Act seems an existential threat to the DC overlords. I can think of no other reason for their opposition over the objections of a large swath of the population. This obstructionism reveals, or should reveal, the true nature of our government. Hint : it is not about us.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (Gqar
We take things one step further in the People's Republik of Kalifornia...we ingrain the cheat right into the law, as well as punishment for those citizen investigative journalists that try to expose it
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (Gqar
We take things one step further in the People's Republik of Kalifornia...we ingrain the cheat right into the law, as well as punishment for those citizen investigative journalists that try to expose it
Posted by: Hunter at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (l3cgK)
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Because his job is to manage his caucus. If he starts throwing his own senators under the bus, then he can't manage them at all.
Then what's the point of having him as leader? If he can't enforce discipline on a bill as critical as this, he's useless.
Posted by: Archimedes
You're assuming he didn't. I say he did, simply in opposition. Indistinguishable in effect, really.
Then what's the point of having him as leader? If he can't enforce discipline on a bill as critical as this, he's useless.
Posted by: Archimedes
You're assuming he didn't. I say he did, simply in opposition. Indistinguishable in effect, really.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez: Fiat Justicia, Ruat Caelum at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (OUMaO)
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85 Thune presumably as heir apparent could use those relationships to pass SAVE. He does not because the whole key to McConnell's vote selling business was a closely divided Senate. If that is gone, then suddenly defectors get hammered by the rest of the caucus and the majority leader has a lot less power.
And if the filibuster is either evaded by the talking filibuster or destroyed, then the minority will be as powerless and and deprived of wealth opportunities/power/etc as the House minority.
The modern Senate was crafted since the 70's to essentially deadlock the legislative process to make only the most marginal changes possible in order to preserve a status quo. And that dysfunction has spread to nominations as eliminating the filibuster on those means no recess permanently to prevent presidents from filling those positions without goodies.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:21 AM (E4rtv)
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How does this specifically apply to Mitch, Tillis, Cassidy, and Cornyn, all of whom are out at the end of this year?
And if the filibuster is either evaded by the talking filibuster or destroyed, then the minority will be as powerless and and deprived of wealth opportunities/power/etc as the House minority.
The modern Senate was crafted since the 70's to essentially deadlock the legislative process to make only the most marginal changes possible in order to preserve a status quo. And that dysfunction has spread to nominations as eliminating the filibuster on those means no recess permanently to prevent presidents from filling those positions without goodies.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:21 AM (E4rtv)
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How does this specifically apply to Mitch, Tillis, Cassidy, and Cornyn, all of whom are out at the end of this year?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (Zn6QU)
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Other than Manchin and Sinema I can’t think of any Dem version of this. And they both bent the knee on the mini Green New Deal eventually. But to their credit PR and DC are not states because of them. And they both votes for Biden’s nominations.
Before anyone says Fetterman, he says a lot of things but still votes the party line on the important issues.
Dems get 50 seats + VP their voters get mostly everything they want. GOP has 53 seats + VP they pass nothing of importance. Oh right I forgot they passed a massive tax cut bill for leftist billionaires. Good job guys.
Before anyone says Fetterman, he says a lot of things but still votes the party line on the important issues.
Dems get 50 seats + VP their voters get mostly everything they want. GOP has 53 seats + VP they pass nothing of importance. Oh right I forgot they passed a massive tax cut bill for leftist billionaires. Good job guys.
Posted by: Heroq at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (X+Nnd)
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We'll see. A 56 seat GOP majority after immigration, Iran, and oil were all the killers of the midterms would make me laugh.
The interesting question is if we do achieve such a majority, how quickly will the SAVE act be resubmitted?
The interesting question is if we do achieve such a majority, how quickly will the SAVE act be resubmitted?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (Riz8t)
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"I hate Donald Trump more than I love my country."
-- Every D* and more than a few Rs.
* with the possible exception of Fetterman
-- Every D* and more than a few Rs.
* with the possible exception of Fetterman
Posted by: Oddbob at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (vTZFs)
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81 72 We will pick up senate seats in the midterms. We should sacrifice Susan Collins to the god of fire and let Maine have their Nazi. Her latest betrayal on the SAVE Act presages another 6 years of treason.
We've discussed this here many times. She's the best we can get from Maine, and because she's GOP, that gives us a leg up in achieving a majority, which is the critical thing. She can stay.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Collins switched her vote the last time and voted for the SAVE act. It is the more treacherous McConnell, Murkowski, Tillis, and now Cassidy/Cornyn that can block it.
We've discussed this here many times. She's the best we can get from Maine, and because she's GOP, that gives us a leg up in achieving a majority, which is the critical thing. She can stay.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Collins switched her vote the last time and voted for the SAVE act. It is the more treacherous McConnell, Murkowski, Tillis, and now Cassidy/Cornyn that can block it.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (E4rtv)
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Sometimes I think Trump has grown and I love what I see publicly. Other times a I read his tweets or truths or whatever and wish Melania would take his phone away. But I know he loves this country deeply and is doing more than anyone to save it.
Posted by: Piper at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (p4NUW)
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Before anyone says Fetterman, he says a lot of things but still votes the party line on the important issues.
Fetterman is on Mark Levin's show more than he's in the Senate. I think he's angling to replace Jessica Tarlov on the Five or something.
Fetterman is on Mark Levin's show more than he's in the Senate. I think he's angling to replace Jessica Tarlov on the Five or something.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (2ocoG)
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>>Remember, she voted for Kavanaugh. She's there when leadership needs her vote.
And we will have enough votes without her, and won’t take it in the ass on critical issues like election integrity. Most of the Betrayal Caucus will be gone after November except for Murkowski. Together with Collins they will continue to collaborate with Democrats to destroy our country. F them.
And we will have enough votes without her, and won’t take it in the ass on critical issues like election integrity. Most of the Betrayal Caucus will be gone after November except for Murkowski. Together with Collins they will continue to collaborate with Democrats to destroy our country. F them.
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (q1tXs)
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The interesting question is if we do achieve such a majority, how quickly will the SAVE act be resubmitted?
Posted by: Archimedes
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Gotta keep the House first.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Gotta keep the House first.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (E4rtv)
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87 You're assuming he didn't. I say he did, simply in opposition. Indistinguishable in effect, really.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez: Fiat Justicia, Ruat Caelum at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (OUMaO)
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He may be the major issue, but I think he's more of an easy target than anything else.
He bought a lot of goodwill with me over how he got 99% of the OBBB passed last year, just slipping everything past the parliamentarian in the last second.
However, if 50 GOP senators wanted to pass this, Thune wouldn't be obstructing it. The problem is the senators in the caucus, not just their leader.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez: Fiat Justicia, Ruat Caelum at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (OUMaO)
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He may be the major issue, but I think he's more of an easy target than anything else.
He bought a lot of goodwill with me over how he got 99% of the OBBB passed last year, just slipping everything past the parliamentarian in the last second.
However, if 50 GOP senators wanted to pass this, Thune wouldn't be obstructing it. The problem is the senators in the caucus, not just their leader.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (Zn6QU)
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Thirty round mags are really very nice and convenient for shooting, both for rifles and pistols. The thirty round mag for my Beretta actually provides an excellent counterweight to the kickup, when firing.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (Gqar8)
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It's not that we don't like the SAVE America Act! It's just that he's doing things as Trump and we don't like it! Do you see the difference?
Posted by: NR Pax at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (99eI0)
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Trump is not an eloquent speaker, most politicians are. The politicians rehearse their speeches written for them by their speech writers and know what they will say beforehand. Trump is not like that, he says what is on his mind. I understand what he says, no problem. I like his style, it's more down to earth. I feel like he is talking to us not the news cycle. There is nothing wrong with being human instead of a robot.
Posted by: Case at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (IY9No)
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Murk, Turtle, Tillis at a minimum.
I don’t think it’s some super secret list.
Posted by: Heroq at June 18, 2026 11:07 AM (X+Nnd)
And we are supposed to believe that they are all.
Perhaps they are, but it's bullshit that these assholes play their little games and hide their personal agendas from the people that they supposedly represent.
Lay your fucking cards on the table. Let the voters know when you will and when you won't represent them. Otherwise, we have a temporary nobility, a bit less moral than that of 18th century France, a bit less useful than the Polish szlachta, prancing around and congratulating themselves for making boom-boom in the big kids potty and calling it statemanship.
I don’t think it’s some super secret list.
Posted by: Heroq at June 18, 2026 11:07 AM (X+Nnd)
And we are supposed to believe that they are all.
Perhaps they are, but it's bullshit that these assholes play their little games and hide their personal agendas from the people that they supposedly represent.
Lay your fucking cards on the table. Let the voters know when you will and when you won't represent them. Otherwise, we have a temporary nobility, a bit less moral than that of 18th century France, a bit less useful than the Polish szlachta, prancing around and congratulating themselves for making boom-boom in the big kids potty and calling it statemanship.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (ExV1e)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7V
9-0... Interesting
Posted by: It's me donna at June 18, 2026 11:19 AM (hW9g4)
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I hope this is no different than someone who drinks alcohol. If you're not intoxicated when legitimately carrying or using a weapon, that's OK.
If you are intoxicated, it's no different than getting behind the wheel when you're drunk.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7V
9-0... Interesting
Posted by: It's me donna at June 18, 2026 11:19 AM (hW9g4)
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I hope this is no different than someone who drinks alcohol. If you're not intoxicated when legitimately carrying or using a weapon, that's OK.
If you are intoxicated, it's no different than getting behind the wheel when you're drunk.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (ebJJx)
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...Thune presumably as heir apparent could use those relationships to pass SAVE. He does not because the whole key to McConnell's vote selling business was a closely divided Senate. If that is gone, then suddenly defectors get hammered by the rest of the caucus and the majority leader has a lot less power.
And if the filibuster is either evaded by the talking filibuster or destroyed, then the minority will be as powerless and and deprived of wealth opportunities/power/etc as the House minority.
The modern Senate was crafted since the 70's to essentially deadlock the legislative process to make only the most marginal changes possible in order to preserve a status quo. And that dysfunction has spread to nominations as eliminating the filibuster on those means no recess permanently to prevent presidents from filling those positions without goodies.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:21 AM
So true and well said. I thought of this the other day (late to the party, I know). The scuzzbucket GOPe's want and need a close legislature to stay relevant, powerful and rich.
And if the filibuster is either evaded by the talking filibuster or destroyed, then the minority will be as powerless and and deprived of wealth opportunities/power/etc as the House minority.
The modern Senate was crafted since the 70's to essentially deadlock the legislative process to make only the most marginal changes possible in order to preserve a status quo. And that dysfunction has spread to nominations as eliminating the filibuster on those means no recess permanently to prevent presidents from filling those positions without goodies.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:21 AM
So true and well said. I thought of this the other day (late to the party, I know). The scuzzbucket GOPe's want and need a close legislature to stay relevant, powerful and rich.
Posted by: LASue at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (6mVIs)
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Fetterman is on Mark Levin's show more than he's in the Senate. I think he's angling to replace Jessica Tarlov on the Five or something.
Posted by: Ian S.
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Entirely possible. His political career is effectively dead unless he switches parties and like Manchin, he gets more out of teasing to do so than actually doing it.
Fetterman is on Mark Levin's show more than he's in the Senate. I think he's angling to replace Jessica Tarlov on the Five or something.
Posted by: Ian S.
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Entirely possible. His political career is effectively dead unless he switches parties and like Manchin, he gets more out of teasing to do so than actually doing it.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (E4rtv)
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90 We'll see. A 56 seat GOP majority after immigration, Iran, and oil were all the killers of the midterms would make me laugh.
The interesting question is if we do achieve such a majority, how quickly will the SAVE act be resubmitted?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (Riz8t)
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I suspect it would be an important part of the next Congress.
Probably not HR-1, but HR-5 to HR-10 or so.
Paxton, in the Senate, might try to introduce it as S-1.
The interesting question is if we do achieve such a majority, how quickly will the SAVE act be resubmitted?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:22 AM (Riz8t)
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I suspect it would be an important part of the next Congress.
Probably not HR-1, but HR-5 to HR-10 or so.
Paxton, in the Senate, might try to introduce it as S-1.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (Zn6QU)
106
off sock...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 18, 2026 11:25 AM (l3cgK)
107
Ask yourself why people raise and spend tens of millions of dollars to land a job that pays $174K/yr
Posted by: Don Black at June 18, 2026 11:25 AM (fmTlv)
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John Cornyn is an exhibit in the other direction, though.
He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:16 AM (Zn6QU)
True.
Though Corny's downfall was misunderstanding the appeal of John Cronyn, and the 95% Republicans in general.
Which meant he misunderstood that his job is to do what his voters want and being a Republican do so in a cost effective manner.
A con man is only successful as long as the marks don't know what the game is. The marks figured him out.
Corny's Great Legacy, which he is so concerned about, will disappear 3 seconds after he's given the boot from the Senate.
He knew he could easily keep his seat by getting the SAVE act passed, and he did nothing to push it publicly. He didn't even put up a feint of a fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:16 AM (Zn6QU)
True.
Though Corny's downfall was misunderstanding the appeal of John Cronyn, and the 95% Republicans in general.
Which meant he misunderstood that his job is to do what his voters want and being a Republican do so in a cost effective manner.
A con man is only successful as long as the marks don't know what the game is. The marks figured him out.
Corny's Great Legacy, which he is so concerned about, will disappear 3 seconds after he's given the boot from the Senate.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 18, 2026 11:25 AM (iJfKG)
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SCOTUS once again fails to take up the unconstitutional rifle and magazine bans.
Cowards abound.
Do you trust Barrett and Kav to vote the right way on it? Note that I'm not even mentioning Roberts. Well, I just did but you know what I mean.
Cowards abound.
Do you trust Barrett and Kav to vote the right way on it? Note that I'm not even mentioning Roberts. Well, I just did but you know what I mean.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 18, 2026 11:26 AM (vTZFs)
110
Collins once voted for the clean SAVE Act. She’s voted against passing it in every other bundled attempt.
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:26 AM (q1tXs)
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Entirely possible. His political career is effectively dead unless he switches parties and like Manchin, he gets more out of teasing to do so than actually doing it.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (E4rtv)
He needs to switch his voting to match his words. He should not be as hated as a dem, he votes with the 99.9% of the time. He just isn’t an antisemite.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (E4rtv)
He needs to switch his voting to match his words. He should not be as hated as a dem, he votes with the 99.9% of the time. He just isn’t an antisemite.
Posted by: Piper at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (OoFl2)
112
Interview time, wish me luck.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
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I think he genuinely thought he didn't really have to campaign very hard because he's a wise, silver-maned SENATOR who the people would never reject. He thought wrong.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)
Highly ironic that Cornyn thought it was a good idea to dunk on a Scott Pressler post mentioning meeting Cornyn by calling Pressler a grifter.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)
Highly ironic that Cornyn thought it was a good idea to dunk on a Scott Pressler post mentioning meeting Cornyn by calling Pressler a grifter.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (hdRdU)
114
I have long given up on DC. Positive change will have to come from elsewhere.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:28 AM (Gqar8)
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> We've discussed this here many times. She's the best we can get from Maine, and because she's GOP, that gives us a leg up in achieving a majority, which is the critical thing. She can stay.
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If she was a reliable (R) vote, yea.
But, she's not. What's the sense of having her if she's going to vote opposite of our interests on important issues like the SAVE act?
That, by itself doesn't help "the majority."
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If she was a reliable (R) vote, yea.
But, she's not. What's the sense of having her if she's going to vote opposite of our interests on important issues like the SAVE act?
That, by itself doesn't help "the majority."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 18, 2026 11:28 AM (jehhT)
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112 Interview time, wish me luck.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
Good luck... Break a leg !.. Scratch that last part
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
Good luck... Break a leg !.. Scratch that last part
Posted by: It's me donna at June 18, 2026 11:28 AM (hW9g4)
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I never put trust and SCOTUS in the same sentence. We shouldn’t have to go to any court to tell us my which rights on The Bill of Rights are ok with them. But I do think Kavanaugh will vote the rifle and magazine bans are unconstitutional. I don’t think ACB will.
Posted by: Vengeance at June 18, 2026 11:28 AM (q1tXs)
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> Other times a I read his tweets or truths or whatever and wish Melania would take his phone away. ...
Posted by: Piper
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you have crystallized my thoughts in a concise and cogent manner
Posted by: Piper
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you have crystallized my thoughts in a concise and cogent manner
Posted by: Don Black at June 18, 2026 11:29 AM (fmTlv)
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Thune delenda est.
I want to see him chained, flogged and tossed in a pit full of rape dogs.
But I'll settle for him being politically ruined and kicked out of the Senate.
Thune delenda est.
I want to see him chained, flogged and tossed in a pit full of rape dogs.
But I'll settle for him being politically ruined and kicked out of the Senate.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2026 11:29 AM (BI5O2)
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:29 AM (77rzZ)
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But, she's not. What's the sense of having her if she's going to vote opposite of our interests on important issues like the SAVE act?
That, by itself doesn't help "the majority."
Because the rest of the majority can pass things, provided we have enough. If we were in the minority, we would have very little influence over what even gets brought up for votes.
That, by itself doesn't help "the majority."
Because the rest of the majority can pass things, provided we have enough. If we were in the minority, we would have very little influence over what even gets brought up for votes.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:29 AM (Riz8t)
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Interview time, wish me luck.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
Godspeed, sir.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
Godspeed, sir.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:29 AM (2YhKe)
123
Remember, John McCain ran his last Senate campaign on a promise to repeal Obamacare, and then he voted it down out of nothing more than personal animus toward Trump.
The desire to stick his thumb in Trump’s eye one more time before he died overrode the promise he made to his constituents.
This is a pervasive sickness among the Republican establishment. It’s TDS minus the blue hair and calls for violence.
The desire to stick his thumb in Trump’s eye one more time before he died overrode the promise he made to his constituents.
This is a pervasive sickness among the Republican establishment. It’s TDS minus the blue hair and calls for violence.
Posted by: Cybernetic at June 18, 2026 11:30 AM (aL31n)
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Interview time, wish me luck.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
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Good luck... Break a leg !.. Scratch that last part
Posted by: It's me donna at June 18, 2026 11:28 AM (hW9g4)
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Nothing worse than a broken itchy leg.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:27 AM (Zn6QU)
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Good luck... Break a leg !.. Scratch that last part
Posted by: It's me donna at June 18, 2026 11:28 AM (hW9g4)
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Nothing worse than a broken itchy leg.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 18, 2026 11:30 AM (ebJJx)
125
John McCain was the Ur-Silk-Pantied, Mean Girl Republican when -
he used the last act of his malevolent, cancer-scrambled brain to give a big ole thumbs down to the repeal of Obamacare, smiling all the while.
And he was hailed by Our Betters as a great man for doing so.
Well...he was a Great Democrat Mole. Great Republican? Great American? Not so much.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (iJfKG)
He should have had a wicked side dish of ass cancer.
he used the last act of his malevolent, cancer-scrambled brain to give a big ole thumbs down to the repeal of Obamacare, smiling all the while.
And he was hailed by Our Betters as a great man for doing so.
Well...he was a Great Democrat Mole. Great Republican? Great American? Not so much.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 18, 2026 11:14 AM (iJfKG)
He should have had a wicked side dish of ass cancer.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 18, 2026 11:30 AM (snZF9)
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*Entirely possible. His political career is effectively dead unless he switches parties and like Manchin, he gets more out of teasing to do so than actually doing it.*
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We'd like to talk with him about doing some hoodie endorsements.
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We'd like to talk with him about doing some hoodie endorsements.
Posted by: The Nike Marketing Department at June 18, 2026 11:30 AM (7PhS+)
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100 Trump is not an eloquent speaker, most politicians are. The politicians rehearse their speeches written for them by their speech writers and know what they will say beforehand. Trump is not like that, he says what is on his mind. I understand what he says, no problem. I like his style, it's more down to earth. I feel like he is talking to us not the news cycle. There is nothing wrong with being human instead of a robot.
Posted by: Case
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Politicians are mostly front men for back room staffers today--they have little wisdom, they have the authenticity of a Twinkie, and any sane person somehow elected to office either has to go native or leave before the borg mind virus affects him.
Most legislation now is cooked up by interest groups dealing directly with key staffers of senior legislators and leadership. That goes for nominations as well---interest groups want a veto on personnel of agencies and courts. That is why no recess can be permitted. An outside person like Pulte can do a LOT of damage by removing key co conspirators in the agency with the congressional staffers and interest groups. And reveal dirty dealings that this iron triangle tries to keep in the closet.
Posted by: Case
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Politicians are mostly front men for back room staffers today--they have little wisdom, they have the authenticity of a Twinkie, and any sane person somehow elected to office either has to go native or leave before the borg mind virus affects him.
Most legislation now is cooked up by interest groups dealing directly with key staffers of senior legislators and leadership. That goes for nominations as well---interest groups want a veto on personnel of agencies and courts. That is why no recess can be permitted. An outside person like Pulte can do a LOT of damage by removing key co conspirators in the agency with the congressional staffers and interest groups. And reveal dirty dealings that this iron triangle tries to keep in the closet.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:30 AM (E4rtv)
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Repealing the 17th Amendment would be a start. Problem is, you can't repeal basic human nature. The scumbags and sociopaths would still find their way to the top.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 18, 2026 11:31 AM (QaH55)
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Thx CBD.
It still stings me to think that the GOPe thinks it will go back to the normal uniparty BS after Trump leaves office. Their "good friends" across the aisle are dying out and/or being replaced by Marxist lunatics who will destroy them and the nation.
It still stings me to think that the GOPe thinks it will go back to the normal uniparty BS after Trump leaves office. Their "good friends" across the aisle are dying out and/or being replaced by Marxist lunatics who will destroy them and the nation.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 18, 2026 11:31 AM (7bbR5)
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Good luck, TJM. If the interview goes poorly, haul the interviewer's carcass home.
Win or lose, you'll still be fed.
Win or lose, you'll still be fed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2026 11:31 AM (BI5O2)
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Mr. Madison, if you were an animal, what kind of animal would you be?
Posted by: 25 year old hiring manager at June 18, 2026 11:32 AM (7PhS+)
Posted by: Oddbob at June 18, 2026 11:32 AM (vTZFs)
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What's the solution from the majority leader's perspective?
Be a Senator representing his, personal, constituents first and majority leader second.
I understand that there isn't a single person in the Senate with the integrity to do that, but that's his solution.
Be a Senator representing his, personal, constituents first and majority leader second.
I understand that there isn't a single person in the Senate with the integrity to do that, but that's his solution.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:32 AM (ExV1e)
134
He should have had a wicked side dish of ass cancer.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Being a vicious snake that no one really could like is his own punishment. And if the Songbird tales are true, then he lived with secret disgrace all those years, and his Keating Five scandal reveals him to be amoral, money hungry, influence peddling, and as unlikable in his earlier career as he was later.
Out of the five, only he remained a senator for after the disgrace. All due to his supposed war hero status to voters in AZ.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Being a vicious snake that no one really could like is his own punishment. And if the Songbird tales are true, then he lived with secret disgrace all those years, and his Keating Five scandal reveals him to be amoral, money hungry, influence peddling, and as unlikable in his earlier career as he was later.
Out of the five, only he remained a senator for after the disgrace. All due to his supposed war hero status to voters in AZ.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:33 AM (E4rtv)
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What's the solution from the majority leader's perspective?
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Eating a box of lightbulbs, and washing it down with a belt of nitric acid, after setting his own cock on fire, but before hanging himself?
Just a thought. Spitballing.
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Eating a box of lightbulbs, and washing it down with a belt of nitric acid, after setting his own cock on fire, but before hanging himself?
Just a thought. Spitballing.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (BI5O2)
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I understand that there isn't a single person in the Senate with the integrity to do that, but that's his solution.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Senate and House party leaders came from safe states usually so they could wheel and deal without worry of losing. Not sure that is true anymore.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Senate and House party leaders came from safe states usually so they could wheel and deal without worry of losing. Not sure that is true anymore.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)
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I wonder if I wrote more beyond that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Zn6QU)
Like I'd read what you wrote.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (Zn6QU)
Like I'd read what you wrote.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (ExV1e)
139
Great to know that our representatives in the Senate are no more sophisticated and mature than a group of high school mean girls.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (viF8m)
140
Everyone see now why President Trump can't get everything he wants from Iran?
Posted by: Skip at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (sgkY8)
141
We don't have the Senate the Founders intended. We have a corrupt house of lords.
Posted by: Don Black at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (fmTlv)
142
Thereby hangs a tail.
Posted by: Bill Shakespeare at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (7PhS+)
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139 Great to know that our representatives in the Senate are no more sophisticated and mature than a group of high school mean girls.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (viF8m)
I characterize them as venal and amoral, but I like your characterization a lot.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (viF8m)
I characterize them as venal and amoral, but I like your characterization a lot.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (Gqar8)
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But seriously: the SML's only solution to anything, ever, is to please the popular Party leader and his base, or pay with his seat. That's it. No more compromises.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (BI5O2)
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37 Is McConnell even out of the hospital yet?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (2YhKe)
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He continues to receive the finest care.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:11 AM (2YhKe)
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He continues to receive the finest care.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 18, 2026 11:37 AM (6/7Fs)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 11:20 AM (Zn6QU)
She's there when leadership needs her vote... or... Kavanaugh ain't all that great and was a tolerable choice considering from whence he came.
She's there when leadership needs her vote... or... Kavanaugh ain't all that great and was a tolerable choice considering from whence he came.
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 11:37 AM (ixZ1o)
147
Whig, what are these tales about?
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)
I was wondering as well. Was he a snitch in the Vietnamese prison?
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)
I was wondering as well. Was he a snitch in the Vietnamese prison?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 18, 2026 11:37 AM (hdRdU)
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140 Everyone see now why President Trump can't get everything he wants from Iran?
Posted by: Skip at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (sgkY
No, both sides acquit him with godlike powers.
Posted by: Skip at June 18, 2026 11:36 AM (sgkY
No, both sides acquit him with godlike powers.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:37 AM (Gqar8)
149
I'd tell Lee to name names, but I think we all know who they are.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 18, 2026 11:38 AM (2UnvF)
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>>> I like his style, it's more down to earth. I feel like he is talking to us not the news cycle. There is nothing wrong with being human instead of a robot.
Posted by: Case
>Trump is a negotiator and a facilitator. He's an executive. He makes deals and is a populist.
Posted by: Case
>Trump is a negotiator and a facilitator. He's an executive. He makes deals and is a populist.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 18, 2026 11:38 AM (9SpJJ)
151
I'm guessing Rosa Parks.
It hides her dick well, though.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (2YhKe)
I’m thinking a young Barbara Jordan.
It hides her dick well, though.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:09 AM (2YhKe)
I’m thinking a young Barbara Jordan.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 11:38 AM (ZVgZ4)
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128 Repealing the 17th Amendment would be a start. Problem is, you can't repeal basic human nature. The scumbags and sociopaths would still find their way to the top.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder
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It isn't going to happen. Essentially our Constitution is frozen as no amendment is going to get 2/3rds approval unless and until you get massive change in society and voting security.
The untold story is that legislative election of senators became so putrid after the Civil War and dysfunctional (often seats sat vacant for years due to state politicos disagreeing for factional reasons or partisan splits in legislative houses) that by the time the 17th went into affect, most states had adopted the Illinois option. Use a popular plebiscite to pick who the legislature should put forward as senator. Only a small number of states still did legislative elections.
It would be easier to repeal the 16th on income tax.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder
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It isn't going to happen. Essentially our Constitution is frozen as no amendment is going to get 2/3rds approval unless and until you get massive change in society and voting security.
The untold story is that legislative election of senators became so putrid after the Civil War and dysfunctional (often seats sat vacant for years due to state politicos disagreeing for factional reasons or partisan splits in legislative houses) that by the time the 17th went into affect, most states had adopted the Illinois option. Use a popular plebiscite to pick who the legislature should put forward as senator. Only a small number of states still did legislative elections.
It would be easier to repeal the 16th on income tax.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:38 AM (E4rtv)
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I'm not talking to Donnie. He knows why.
Posted by: John Cornyn, Mean Girl at June 18, 2026 11:39 AM (2UnvF)
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It would be easier to repeal the 16th on income tax.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:38 AM (E4rtv)
A man can dream...
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:38 AM (E4rtv)
A man can dream...
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 18, 2026 11:40 AM (QaH55)
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That this disgusting cohort of faux Republicans allows their personal animus to damage their country is proof positive of the terminal malaise of the corporate GOP, and hopefully Americans will identify them and forcefully eject them from our political process.
We here in Texas have done our part. coryn is out. It's time for the other states to step up their game.
We here in Texas have done our part. coryn is out. It's time for the other states to step up their game.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (0N4FZ)
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@147 allegedly he talked to the North Vietnamese. A lot of stories depending who you listen to. I don't think admiral Stockdale liked McCain too much
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (7bbR5)
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If I have some sympathy for Thune, it's because his position as Senate Majority Leader is akin to a medieval English king. He has a certain amount of power, but it's circumscribed by his caucus, which are barons barely under his control. Push too hard and they rebel.
There was only one Lyndon Johnson able to bully and schmooze the Senate and it's less than realistic to hope Thune will be another.
If I have some sympathy for Thune, it's because his position as Senate Majority Leader is akin to a medieval English king. He has a certain amount of power, but it's circumscribed by his caucus, which are barons barely under his control. Push too hard and they rebel.
There was only one Lyndon Johnson able to bully and schmooze the Senate and it's less than realistic to hope Thune will be another.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (O0L8i)
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100 Trump is not an eloquent speaker, most politicians are. The politicians rehearse their speeches written for them by their speech writers and know what they will say beforehand. Trump is not like that, he says what is on his mind. I understand what he says, no problem. I like his style, it's more down to earth. I feel like he is talking to us not the news cycle. There is nothing wrong with being human instead of a robot.
Posted by: Case at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (IY9No)
This. Plus he has a good sense of humor. Not afraid to make fun of himself too.
Posted by: Case at June 18, 2026 11:24 AM (IY9No)
This. Plus he has a good sense of humor. Not afraid to make fun of himself too.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (g8Ew8)
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The untold story is that legislative election of senators became so putrid after the Civil War and dysfunctional
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One senator (from Idaho?) simply left packets of $10,000 on every legislator's desk, with his monogram on the envelope.
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One senator (from Idaho?) simply left packets of $10,000 on every legislator's desk, with his monogram on the envelope.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (amcLV)
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We here in Texas have done our part. coryn is out. It's time for the other states to step up their game.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (0N4FZ)
We dispatched several, actually. Redistricting did some, voters did the rest.
We here in Texas have done our part. coryn is out. It's time for the other states to step up their game.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (0N4FZ)
We dispatched several, actually. Redistricting did some, voters did the rest.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM (2YhKe)
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One senator (from Idaho?) simply left packets of $10,000 on every legislator's desk, with his monogram on the envelope.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (amcLV)
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Today you can do the same thing with gift cards to Hookers 'N Blow.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 18, 2026 11:41 AM (amcLV)
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Today you can do the same thing with gift cards to Hookers 'N Blow.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM (6/7Fs)
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Sometimes I think Trump has grown and I love what I see publicly. Other times a I read his tweets or truths or whatever and wish Melania would take his phone away. But I know he loves this country deeply and is doing more than anyone to save it.
Posted by: Piper at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (p4NUW)
The man is what he is. Sometimes he makes me cringe. Sometimes he makes me laugh. Sometimes both. I love when it's both.
But without the bad, unpolished, uncouth-ed, or downright nasty parts of Trump you don't get the good either. The man has not got where he is by mincing words or brutal self-edit.
Also the enemy preys on the predictable and the easy to control. By being the way he is Trump does not give away the handles to control him. People think it's flattery that does so. Woe be to he who truly believes that shit.
Posted by: Piper at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (p4NUW)
The man is what he is. Sometimes he makes me cringe. Sometimes he makes me laugh. Sometimes both. I love when it's both.
But without the bad, unpolished, uncouth-ed, or downright nasty parts of Trump you don't get the good either. The man has not got where he is by mincing words or brutal self-edit.
Also the enemy preys on the predictable and the easy to control. By being the way he is Trump does not give away the handles to control him. People think it's flattery that does so. Woe be to he who truly believes that shit.
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM (ixZ1o)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
While I am not a fan of the devil's lettuce, that seems a reasonable ruling to me.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
While I am not a fan of the devil's lettuce, that seems a reasonable ruling to me.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM (ExV1e)
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147 Whig, what are these tales about?
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)
I was wondering as well. Was he a snitch in the Vietnamese prison?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
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If you wish, go to Ron Unz's website and he lays out the story. You can also find where Fox fired one former general commentator where the rumors are mentioned.
People also have assumed, due to McCain's famous picture of him on crutches leaving a USAF airplane that he was tortured in prison where in fact, that was because he broke his legs upon ejecting after his plane was going down in N. Vietnam. His legs had to be rebroken by US surgeons after repatriation to heal properly--hence the famous photo. McCain notably used the photo in campaign ads, etc.
Whatever happened, it is true that his relationship with his fellow POWs was never a warm one and he was not one of the senators helping support those trying to find missing POWs in Vietnam.
Posted by: Bulg at June 18, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)
I was wondering as well. Was he a snitch in the Vietnamese prison?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
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If you wish, go to Ron Unz's website and he lays out the story. You can also find where Fox fired one former general commentator where the rumors are mentioned.
People also have assumed, due to McCain's famous picture of him on crutches leaving a USAF airplane that he was tortured in prison where in fact, that was because he broke his legs upon ejecting after his plane was going down in N. Vietnam. His legs had to be rebroken by US surgeons after repatriation to heal properly--hence the famous photo. McCain notably used the photo in campaign ads, etc.
Whatever happened, it is true that his relationship with his fellow POWs was never a warm one and he was not one of the senators helping support those trying to find missing POWs in Vietnam.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:45 AM (E4rtv)
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It's a club, and you're not in it so they don't care.
Posted by: Gmac-WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 18, 2026 11:45 AM (Q/FnY)
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While I am not a fan of the devil's lettuce, that seems a reasonable ruling to me.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM (ExV1e)
Marijuana grows naturally. Meth does not.
While I am not a fan of the devil's lettuce, that seems a reasonable ruling to me.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM (ExV1e)
Marijuana grows naturally. Meth does not.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:45 AM (2YhKe)
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CBD, I believe that the Senators' personal dislike for Trump is an excuse, not a reason. That implies that if JD or Marco were POTUS instead they would support the legislation.
Not true.
The GOPe corporate paymasters would oppose systemic election reform no matter what. They like the current system the way it is.
Not true.
The GOPe corporate paymasters would oppose systemic election reform no matter what. They like the current system the way it is.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (TNhp7)
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Trump IS populism as far as I am concerned. A massive threat to DC, always has been always will be. Throw in having FU money and its’ mortal enemy time for both parties. He is dangerous, and must be destroyed BAMN. We have seen this play out.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (Gqar8)
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I have an outside the circle here question. Is there really severe concern that Talarico will beat Paxton?
Posted by: AnnaS at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (0anTZ)
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If I have some sympathy for Thune, it's because his position as Senate Majority Leader is akin to a medieval English king. He has a certain amount of power, but it's circumscribed by his caucus, which are barons barely under his control. Push too hard and they rebel.
There was only one Lyndon Johnson able to bully and schmooze the Senate and it's less than realistic to hope Thune will be another.
And yet, McConnell controlled his troops for decades, often making them do things they opposed, for the simple reason they feared him and what he could do their ambitions and chances for reelection. If Thune wants to keep the job, he needs to demonstrate the same bloody mindedness.
There was only one Lyndon Johnson able to bully and schmooze the Senate and it's less than realistic to hope Thune will be another.
And yet, McConnell controlled his troops for decades, often making them do things they opposed, for the simple reason they feared him and what he could do their ambitions and chances for reelection. If Thune wants to keep the job, he needs to demonstrate the same bloody mindedness.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
While I am not a fan of the devil's lettuce, that seems a reasonable ruling to me.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM
Let's all go and fire up some mexican ditch weed to celebrate!
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
While I am not a fan of the devil's lettuce, that seems a reasonable ruling to me.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:43 AM
Let's all go and fire up some mexican ditch weed to celebrate!
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (0N4FZ)
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A man can dream...
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder
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Politics is the art of the achievable. If the US current regime collapses, then you might get constitutional change but absent that, it is unlikely other than by US Supreme Court decisions. That is why the Democrats are getting desperate enough to try to pack the court if they get power.
The rules have to be changed for the Democrats to get unending power as they cannot do it via free and fair elections anymore.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder
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Politics is the art of the achievable. If the US current regime collapses, then you might get constitutional change but absent that, it is unlikely other than by US Supreme Court decisions. That is why the Democrats are getting desperate enough to try to pack the court if they get power.
The rules have to be changed for the Democrats to get unending power as they cannot do it via free and fair elections anymore.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:48 AM (E4rtv)
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Don't be a bot.
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Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 11:48 AM (ExV1e)
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I have an outside the circle here question. Is there really severe concern that Talarico will beat Paxton?
Posted by: AnnaS at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (0anTZ)
No. The more that comes out about that freak, the more voters will run away.
I mean:
James Talarico Praised Left Wing Climate Change Group Fighting to Eliminate the Oil Business in Texas in Resurfaced Video
Going against beef and oil in Texas does NOT go over with the electorate very well.
Posted by: AnnaS at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (0anTZ)
No. The more that comes out about that freak, the more voters will run away.
I mean:
James Talarico Praised Left Wing Climate Change Group Fighting to Eliminate the Oil Business in Texas in Resurfaced Video
Going against beef and oil in Texas does NOT go over with the electorate very well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:49 AM (2YhKe)
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"22 We have the worst ruling class in the history of our country.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (N1DT3)"
I have mentioned a number of times before that I come from a family in GOP politics.
90% of them at the federal legislative level are just in it to line their own pockets. Of those, maybe 2/3 are just good at being quiet about it, while the other 1/3 are what we'd consider to be the obnoxious RINOs like Thune and company who can reliably be expected to protect the status quo in the face of any and all opposition from voters.
The shit you hear behind closed doors is all about the gravy train, trading favors, and jockeying for internal clout to some set of obscure, unwritten rules. Those who step out of line get shit on hard. I'd say this is less a problem than the Dems being a bunch of fucking commies, except there isn't any real incentive to bow to voter pressure when the GOPe is willing to bankroll people retiring and falling on swords.. of course a lot of that money comes from the left. The problem is the GOP legislators largely are NOT ideological.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 18, 2026 11:06 AM (N1DT3)"
I have mentioned a number of times before that I come from a family in GOP politics.
90% of them at the federal legislative level are just in it to line their own pockets. Of those, maybe 2/3 are just good at being quiet about it, while the other 1/3 are what we'd consider to be the obnoxious RINOs like Thune and company who can reliably be expected to protect the status quo in the face of any and all opposition from voters.
The shit you hear behind closed doors is all about the gravy train, trading favors, and jockeying for internal clout to some set of obscure, unwritten rules. Those who step out of line get shit on hard. I'd say this is less a problem than the Dems being a bunch of fucking commies, except there isn't any real incentive to bow to voter pressure when the GOPe is willing to bankroll people retiring and falling on swords.. of course a lot of that money comes from the left. The problem is the GOP legislators largely are NOT ideological.
Posted by: heya at June 18, 2026 11:49 AM (3ys7t)
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And yet, McConnell controlled his troops for decades, often making them do things they opposed, for the simple reason they feared him and what he could do their ambitions and chances for reelection. If Thune wants to keep the job, he needs to demonstrate the same bloody mindedness.
Posted by: Archimedes
McConnell never had to make his members walk the plank because at least half or better of his caucus saw politics the same way--a way to get generational wealth for them and their familes. Easy enough to lead corrupt pols if one is corrupt too.
Posted by: Archimedes
McConnell never had to make his members walk the plank because at least half or better of his caucus saw politics the same way--a way to get generational wealth for them and their familes. Easy enough to lead corrupt pols if one is corrupt too.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:49 AM (E4rtv)
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I don’t think Talarico has a snowball’s chance in Hell of beating Paxton, but I am no longer in Texas, so I can’t be 100% sure.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 11:50 AM (ZVgZ4)
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Is there really severe concern that Talarico will beat Paxton?
Posted by: AnnaS at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (0anTZ)
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I'm no optimist about anything, but the Rev. Jim Talarico Jones looks weirder and weirder with time. Paxton is no angel, but we've heard every bad thing about him we're going to hear.
Is there really severe concern that Talarico will beat Paxton?
Posted by: AnnaS at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (0anTZ)
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I'm no optimist about anything, but the Rev. Jim Talarico Jones looks weirder and weirder with time. Paxton is no angel, but we've heard every bad thing about him we're going to hear.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:50 AM (O0L8i)
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I think it's dead, Jim.
Even new replacement senators next term may not even do it, and definitely won't if the dems have the house.
Even new replacement senators next term may not even do it, and definitely won't if the dems have the house.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2026 11:50 AM (n5tGW)
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The GOPe corporate paymasters would oppose systemic election reform no matter what. They like the current system the way it is.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (TNhp7)
It's true. Corporations want a serf class for cheap labor. I'm surprised Trump has done as much as he has with deportations.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (TNhp7)
It's true. Corporations want a serf class for cheap labor. I'm surprised Trump has done as much as he has with deportations.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 18, 2026 11:50 AM (g8Ew8)
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No, both sides acquit him with godlike powers.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:37 AM (Gqar
Eh. When I said (in advance) - that debating Biden in June was just "good strategy" in a veritable roomful of people here that were shitting their pants and crying about how it would lose us the election, I got accused of a acquitting him with crazy grand chess master powers. Just for saying it's perfectly simple and logical strategy and explaining why.
Normal good strategy is not 4D chess and it doesn't make one a genius. He is absolutely a genius in some ways, no doubt about that. But not god like. We forget how the machine chewed up and spit out so many before him (and since). He has something.
Bottom line you can make good decisions that APPEAR to be bad ones and still not be Superman.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:37 AM (Gqar
Eh. When I said (in advance) - that debating Biden in June was just "good strategy" in a veritable roomful of people here that were shitting their pants and crying about how it would lose us the election, I got accused of a acquitting him with crazy grand chess master powers. Just for saying it's perfectly simple and logical strategy and explaining why.
Normal good strategy is not 4D chess and it doesn't make one a genius. He is absolutely a genius in some ways, no doubt about that. But not god like. We forget how the machine chewed up and spit out so many before him (and since). He has something.
Bottom line you can make good decisions that APPEAR to be bad ones and still not be Superman.
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 11:51 AM (ixZ1o)
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If the Dems get back in power they will move heaven and earth to get the illegals back, with a vengeance is my belief.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:52 AM (Gqar8)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
Does that mean the question on form 4473 re illegal drugs is null, or needs to be rewritten?
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
Does that mean the question on form 4473 re illegal drugs is null, or needs to be rewritten?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 18, 2026 11:53 AM (zafwz)
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***they will never vote for the SAVE America Act, regardless of the legislation's merits
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It take men of special character to do that.
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It take men of special character to do that.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 11:54 AM (+yTe/)
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:50 AM (O0L8i)
He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
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If the Dems get back in power they will move heaven and earth to get the illegals back, with a vengeance is my belief.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:52 AM
They have bought into the replacement theory full force. They will kill you off by any means necessary. If that means bringing in the terrorists for another 9/11, so be it.
They want power. The only way they will have complete power is by taking away your guns. Full stop. They will create whatever havoc is necessary to get you to BEG them to 'DO SOMETHING!!!!!'
What they will do is disarm you. Then they will either enslave you or kill you.
Look at Britain. They will be dwarfed by what the leftists would do to America if she loses her right to bear arms.
(Michelle Fields hardest hit)
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:52 AM
They have bought into the replacement theory full force. They will kill you off by any means necessary. If that means bringing in the terrorists for another 9/11, so be it.
They want power. The only way they will have complete power is by taking away your guns. Full stop. They will create whatever havoc is necessary to get you to BEG them to 'DO SOMETHING!!!!!'
What they will do is disarm you. Then they will either enslave you or kill you.
Look at Britain. They will be dwarfed by what the leftists would do to America if she loses her right to bear arms.
(Michelle Fields hardest hit)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (2YhKe)
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SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
Agree with most of the commenters here. Equivalent to habitual users of alcohol being denied 2nd amendment rights. But being drunk or high while employing your 2nd amendment rights opens yourself to some challenges.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 18, 2026 11:17 AM (Da7Vv)
Agree with most of the commenters here. Equivalent to habitual users of alcohol being denied 2nd amendment rights. But being drunk or high while employing your 2nd amendment rights opens yourself to some challenges.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (ZVgZ4)
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He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
He is a heretic.
He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
He is a heretic.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:56 AM (2YhKe)
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183 SCOTUS rules 9-0 that marijuana users can't be denied 2nd amendment rights. So 18 US Code 922(G3) unlawful prosecution is gone.
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Looks like convictions for smoking pot should be 86ed or go to file 13.
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Looks like convictions for smoking pot should be 86ed or go to file 13.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 11:56 AM (+yTe/)
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The GOPe corporate paymasters would oppose systemic election reform no matter what. They like the current system the way it is.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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I rate this as probably true. I have long suspected GOP using vote fraud as one of their rigging tactics in primaries. Otherwise, why try to ignore a very popular issue that affects your own side's political power. The answer is if you are dirty yourself.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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I rate this as probably true. I have long suspected GOP using vote fraud as one of their rigging tactics in primaries. Otherwise, why try to ignore a very popular issue that affects your own side's political power. The answer is if you are dirty yourself.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 11:56 AM (E4rtv)
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185 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:50 AM (O0L8i)
He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
In my denomination there is huge distinction between ministry and ordination.
He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
In my denomination there is huge distinction between ministry and ordination.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 11:56 AM (Gqar8)
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Read from American Thinker 159 ( or thereabouts) judges want that Illegal guide judge set free
Posted by: Skip at June 18, 2026 11:57 AM (sgkY8)
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He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
PCUSA stopped following the Bible in 1930.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
PCUSA stopped following the Bible in 1930.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 11:57 AM (ZVgZ4)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 18, 2026 11:57 AM (VyBeY)
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He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
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*polite cough*
I was saying that he's the kind of guy who would invite his supporters to move to Guyana with him.
He is not ordained . He went to seminary and spent some time doing youth ministry before he left working in that particular PCUSA church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 11:55 AM (OYsYV)
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*polite cough*
I was saying that he's the kind of guy who would invite his supporters to move to Guyana with him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:58 AM (O0L8i)
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I was saying that he's the kind of guy who would invite his supporters to move to Guyana with him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:58 AM (O0L8i)
He would be the 'preacher' that convinces everyone in his cult that the women should blow him and the men should too.
I was saying that he's the kind of guy who would invite his supporters to move to Guyana with him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 18, 2026 11:58 AM (O0L8i)
He would be the 'preacher' that convinces everyone in his cult that the women should blow him and the men should too.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 11:59 AM (2YhKe)
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Looks like convictions for smoking pot should be 86ed or go to file 13.
Posted by: Braenyard
That should not be implied at all from this ruling. It is just a logical application of the Bruen formula that requires legislation involving firearms to have a historically rooted reason for a disqualification. There isn't one for alkies or druggies at the time (when drugs were sold over the counter like morphine or cocaine) so the marijuana disqualification must fail.
That is very different than saying marijuana is legal or that if you are caught with a firearm while smoking it, you cannot be punished. Same as with alcohol in most states, if you are intoxicated, you cannot have a gun on you in public.
Posted by: Braenyard
That should not be implied at all from this ruling. It is just a logical application of the Bruen formula that requires legislation involving firearms to have a historically rooted reason for a disqualification. There isn't one for alkies or druggies at the time (when drugs were sold over the counter like morphine or cocaine) so the marijuana disqualification must fail.
That is very different than saying marijuana is legal or that if you are caught with a firearm while smoking it, you cannot be punished. Same as with alcohol in most states, if you are intoxicated, you cannot have a gun on you in public.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)
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Good for SCOTUS on that one. There are very few things I would ever restrict firearms for, including felonies. It's either a right or it's not.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2026 12:00 PM (n5tGW)
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Even though I hate these Republican sellouts, I have to acknowledge Trump's style of politics has its downsides when it gets personal like this. We would have probably been able to have killed ObamaCare had McCain's ego not been so badly bruised.
To me, it would be a simple calculus of even if I hate this person, I still want these policy goals that I ran on. But politicians are just an especially thin skinned species of snake. It's always about them. Trump included.
To me, it would be a simple calculus of even if I hate this person, I still want these policy goals that I ran on. But politicians are just an especially thin skinned species of snake. It's always about them. Trump included.
Posted by: Sharpie at June 18, 2026 12:00 PM (UcqOq)
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Current GOPe Governor Kemp of Georgia implicitly condoned the cheat in 2020 and has never answered successfully, to my way of thinking, questions about his own election as governor.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 12:01 PM (ZVgZ4)
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Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 11:57 AM (ZVgZ4)
O.K, but my comment had more to do with the lack of status as a pastor or "Reverend" than with the theological deficiencies of the PCUSA. I don't think Mr. Talarico has even claimed that he was ordained, or he would state when and where he was ordained and by what denominational authority.
O.K, but my comment had more to do with the lack of status as a pastor or "Reverend" than with the theological deficiencies of the PCUSA. I don't think Mr. Talarico has even claimed that he was ordained, or he would state when and where he was ordained and by what denominational authority.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 12:02 PM (78f+T)
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Talerico makes Beto O'Rourke seem electable.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 12:02 PM (2ocoG)
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That is very different than saying marijuana is legal or that if you are caught with a firearm while smoking it, you cannot be punished. Same as with alcohol in most states, if you are intoxicated, you cannot have a gun on you in public.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)
However, with booze, having a gun isn't illegal and is open to officer discretion at the time of offense. The DWI .08 rule does NOT apply.
At least in Texas.
That is very different than saying marijuana is legal or that if you are caught with a firearm while smoking it, you cannot be punished. Same as with alcohol in most states, if you are intoxicated, you cannot have a gun on you in public.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)
However, with booze, having a gun isn't illegal and is open to officer discretion at the time of offense. The DWI .08 rule does NOT apply.
At least in Texas.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:02 PM (2YhKe)
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Paxton is no angel, but we've heard every bad thing about him we're going to hear.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Everyone has a personal life. They (Democrats) unsealed a winning Republicans divorce records to knock him out of the running and give Obama a slot for senator.
Paxton's personal life is his business. When he's on the job he's Mike Tyson and that scares the hell out of Dems and Pubbies.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Everyone has a personal life. They (Democrats) unsealed a winning Republicans divorce records to knock him out of the running and give Obama a slot for senator.
Paxton's personal life is his business. When he's on the job he's Mike Tyson and that scares the hell out of Dems and Pubbies.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 12:03 PM (+yTe/)
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Sometimes I think Trump has grown and I love what I see publicly. Other times a I read his tweets or truths or whatever and wish Melania would take his phone away. But I know he loves this country deeply and is doing more than anyone to save it.
Posted by: Piper at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (p4NUW)
Our Republican Senators are what we get when we allow public persona to be a factor in voting.
Posted by: Piper at June 18, 2026 11:23 AM (p4NUW)
Our Republican Senators are what we get when we allow public persona to be a factor in voting.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 18, 2026 12:03 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 12:03 PM (2ocoG)
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Talerico makes Beto O'Rourke seem electable.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 12:02 PM (2ocoG)
This is true.
However, we don't know if Talarico would attempt to feed his wife baby shit should it look like an avocado.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 12:02 PM (2ocoG)
This is true.
However, we don't know if Talarico would attempt to feed his wife baby shit should it look like an avocado.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:03 PM (2YhKe)
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Well, I don't think that went well.
Indian guy. Kept interrupting me. Pressed me hard on a topic I never asserted I had special knowledge of (like it's going to be a huge lift to learn how life insurance benefit riders work, come on).
Well, shit.
Still, fingers crossed.
Indian guy. Kept interrupting me. Pressed me hard on a topic I never asserted I had special knowledge of (like it's going to be a huge lift to learn how life insurance benefit riders work, come on).
Well, shit.
Still, fingers crossed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:04 PM (Zn6QU)
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Is Talarico a licentiate in the PCUSA?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 12:04 PM (ZVgZ4)
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Im pretty anti-marijuana even though I have a libertarian streak, but I think the SC ruling was correct.
More than anything, it just seemed to give a blank check to the gun grabbers to have such a broad law like that.
The underlying case was they found some weed in this guys house on a terrorism fishing expedition.
More than anything, it just seemed to give a blank check to the gun grabbers to have such a broad law like that.
The underlying case was they found some weed in this guys house on a terrorism fishing expedition.
Posted by: Sharpie at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (UcqOq)
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206 j edgar hoover had a hella system for motivating the reluctant ...
Wearing a dress?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 12:03 PM (2ocoG)
But never in public. He just didn’t have the legs to look good in one.
Wearing a dress?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2026 12:03 PM (2ocoG)
But never in public. He just didn’t have the legs to look good in one.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (Gqar8)
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Well, shit.
Still, fingers crossed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:04 PM (Zn6QU)
Pleased to be thanking you for meeting with us. Good day!
Well, shit.
Still, fingers crossed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:04 PM (Zn6QU)
Pleased to be thanking you for meeting with us. Good day!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (2YhKe)
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I wonder how many senators are there just because Trump was on the ballot 3 times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (n5tGW)
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All I know is that if Sotomayor and Jackson supported it, it's bad.
And that if Thomas and Alito supported it, it's good.
Therefore, 9-0 decisions are the best and worst at once.
And that if Thomas and Alito supported it, it's good.
Therefore, 9-0 decisions are the best and worst at once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (Zn6QU)
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with booze, having a gun isn't illegal and is open to officer discretion at the time of offense. The DWI .08 rule does NOT apply.
At least in Texas.
Posted by: Sponge
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How silly any other thought. You're snockered and Ali Ackbar comes at you with a butcher knife, you defend yourself. And you're guilty because you've been drinking? Bull.
At least in Texas.
Posted by: Sponge
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How silly any other thought. You're snockered and Ali Ackbar comes at you with a butcher knife, you defend yourself. And you're guilty because you've been drinking? Bull.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (+yTe/)
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McConnell controlled his troops for decades, often making them do things they opposed, for the simple reason they feared him and what he could do their ambitions and chances for reelection. If Thune wants to keep the job, he needs to demonstrate the same bloody mindedness.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)
After failing to keep Cornyn and Cassidy in office, I doubt anyone fears Thune excepting Collins and a few other wimps who need those NRSC funds.
Which is why I keep saying Vance needs to come to the senate with armed guards like Bukele did in El Salvador. Just say that the parliamentarian doesn't matter and that Thune isn't the senate's President.
Thune's a bitch. Time to treat him like one.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)
After failing to keep Cornyn and Cassidy in office, I doubt anyone fears Thune excepting Collins and a few other wimps who need those NRSC funds.
Which is why I keep saying Vance needs to come to the senate with armed guards like Bukele did in El Salvador. Just say that the parliamentarian doesn't matter and that Thune isn't the senate's President.
Thune's a bitch. Time to treat him like one.
Posted by: gKWVE at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (5C538)
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212 Pleased to be thanking you for meeting with us. Good day!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (2YhKe)
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Last time I interviewed with an Indian manager, I got the declination in about 4 hours.
Let's see if we beat that.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:05 PM (2YhKe)
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Last time I interviewed with an Indian manager, I got the declination in about 4 hours.
Let's see if we beat that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (Zn6QU)
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208 Well, I don't think that went well.
Indian guy. Kept interrupting me. Pressed me hard on a topic I never asserted I had special knowledge of (like it's going to be a huge lift to learn how life insurance benefit riders work, come on).
Well, shit.
Still, fingers crossed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:04 PM (Zn6QU)
Did he try to sell you an extended service warranty? Did he keep calling you Mister TJM?
Indian guy. Kept interrupting me. Pressed me hard on a topic I never asserted I had special knowledge of (like it's going to be a huge lift to learn how life insurance benefit riders work, come on).
Well, shit.
Still, fingers crossed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:04 PM (Zn6QU)
Did he try to sell you an extended service warranty? Did he keep calling you Mister TJM?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (Gqar8)
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I said at the time Trump made his weird comments about Georgia opening up because he didn't trust Kemp not to screw him. I thought that was all about Kemp at the time and I think I was right. They were very odd comments. He didn't make similar ones about other states that I know of. He knew there was fuckery in Georgia and didn't want to align himself with it before he knew what it might be.
Posted by: ... at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (ixZ1o)
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218
Did he try to sell you an extended service warranty? Did he keep calling you Mister TJM?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (Gqar
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He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Did he try to sell you an extended service warranty? Did he keep calling you Mister TJM?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (Gqar
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He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (Zn6QU)
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209- This is what Google says. Whether it's accurate or not I cannot say:
Yes, Texas state representative and U.S. Senate candidate James Talarico earned a Master of Arts in Theological Studies from the Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary in May 2025.While he holds this degree, he is still working to complete the additional coursework required to finish his Master of Divinity.
Yes, Texas state representative and U.S. Senate candidate James Talarico earned a Master of Arts in Theological Studies from the Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary in May 2025.While he holds this degree, he is still working to complete the additional coursework required to finish his Master of Divinity.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (78f+T)
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220 218
Did he try to sell you an extended service warranty? Did he keep calling you Mister TJM?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (Gqar
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He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (Zn6QU)
Did he pick his nose while listening to you?
Did he try to sell you an extended service warranty? Did he keep calling you Mister TJM?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:06 PM (Gqar
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He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (Zn6QU)
Did he pick his nose while listening to you?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (Gqar8)
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Spot on...although I for one, enjoy the president's outlandish and bombastic public personae. He is a dude from NY and, I suspect, much of it is by design.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (2WIwB)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (ndZc7)
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222 Did he pick his nose while listening to you?
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (Gqar
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I was spared that, at least.
Posted by: tubal at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (Gqar
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I was spared that, at least.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (Zn6QU)
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All I know is that if Sotomayor and Jackson supported it, it's bad.
And that if Thomas and Alito supported it, it's good.
Therefore, 9-0 decisions are the best and worst at once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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It's because the Left has decided their tribe is to support anything and everything marijuana. They have hitched their wagon to the stoner culture. But strangely hate tobacco (because it was what daddy smoked) even though you can easily make the case marijuana is worse on basically every level from a health perspective.
This is like the only time they will ever support a broadening of the 2nd Amendment. Because Woodstock or something.
And that if Thomas and Alito supported it, it's good.
Therefore, 9-0 decisions are the best and worst at once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
==
It's because the Left has decided their tribe is to support anything and everything marijuana. They have hitched their wagon to the stoner culture. But strangely hate tobacco (because it was what daddy smoked) even though you can easily make the case marijuana is worse on basically every level from a health perspective.
This is like the only time they will ever support a broadening of the 2nd Amendment. Because Woodstock or something.
Posted by: Sharpie at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (UcqOq)
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https://tinyurl.com/ypz4smdv
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
This article talks about the black contractors that worked on this presidential monstrosity getting stiffed by the "Obama Foundation". Hilarious and not at all surprising.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 18, 2026 11:01 AM (Riz8t)
This article talks about the black contractors that worked on this presidential monstrosity getting stiffed by the "Obama Foundation". Hilarious and not at all surprising.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (k9OZB)
228
He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (Zn6QU)
Should'a done it in brownface with an east Indian accent.
He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:07 PM (Zn6QU)
Should'a done it in brownface with an east Indian accent.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:09 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 12:09 PM (+yTe/)
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This article talks about the black contractors that worked on this presidential monstrosity getting stiffed by the "Obama Foundation". Hilarious and not at all surprising.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (k9OZB)
They should be HONORED they got to do work for King Negro. Payment? Pshaw........How dare they.
This article talks about the black contractors that worked on this presidential monstrosity getting stiffed by the "Obama Foundation". Hilarious and not at all surprising.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at June 18, 2026 12:08 PM (k9OZB)
They should be HONORED they got to do work for King Negro. Payment? Pshaw........How dare they.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:10 PM (2YhKe)
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Nood
Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 18, 2026 12:10 PM (PJdmB)
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228 Should'a done it in brownface with an east Indian accent.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:09 PM (2YhKe)
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Made me show my ID, to make sure I wasn't being spoofed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:09 PM (2YhKe)
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Made me show my ID, to make sure I wasn't being spoofed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:10 PM (Zn6QU)
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I said at the time Trump made his weird comments about Georgia opening up because he didn't trust Kemp not to screw him. I thought that was all about Kemp at the time and I think I was right. They were very odd comments. He didn't make similar ones about other states that I know of. He knew there was fuckery in Georgia and didn't want to align himself with it before he knew what it might be.
Posted by: ...
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There's really no question in my mind GA was stolen. It was also maybe the closest state.
I'm still waiting to see pictures of the supposed building that was flooded on election night? As they were counting the votes?
Posted by: ...
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There's really no question in my mind GA was stolen. It was also maybe the closest state.
I'm still waiting to see pictures of the supposed building that was flooded on election night? As they were counting the votes?
Posted by: Sharpie at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (UcqOq)
234
NOODlum.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (2YhKe)
235
Surprise to me that Jackson thought weed was more important than guns in this case. Lefties hate for guns is enormous.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (n5tGW)
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233 There's really no question in my mind GA was stolen. It was also maybe the closest state.
I'm still waiting to see pictures of the supposed building that was flooded on election night? As they were counting the votes?
Posted by: Sharpie at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (UcqOq)
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300,000 fake ballots.
It wasn't close.
I'm still waiting to see pictures of the supposed building that was flooded on election night? As they were counting the votes?
Posted by: Sharpie at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (UcqOq)
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300,000 fake ballots.
It wasn't close.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (Zn6QU)
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Made me show my ID, to make sure I wasn't being spoofed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:10 PM (Zn6QU)
For shame......
Made me show my ID, to make sure I wasn't being spoofed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 18, 2026 12:10 PM (Zn6QU)
For shame......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 18, 2026 12:11 PM (2YhKe)
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No joy in pervertland today.
Former Democrat Rep. Eric Swalwell Ordered to Refund Campaign Contributions
Former Democrat Rep. Eric Swalwell Ordered to Refund Campaign Contributions
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 18, 2026 12:12 PM (ndZc7)
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I think J. Edgar Hoover wearing dresses was probably just a Soviet propaganda lie. He did keep what were essentially blackmail files on a lot of important people. And I also remember the FBI’s insistence up till the early 1960s that there was no Mafia.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 12:12 PM (ZVgZ4)
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210 Im pretty anti-marijuana even though I have a libertarian streak, but I think the SC ruling was correct.
More than anything, it just seemed to give a blank check to the gun grabbers to have such a broad law like that.
The underlying case was they found some weed in this guys house on a terrorism fishing expedition.
Posted by: Sharpie
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Bruen requires a showing that the regulation of the gun rights are historically based (as in prohibiting violent felons from arms) and there was never a historical prohibition on people that used cocaine, morphine, or alcohol from permanently barring them from mere possession of firearms. Plenty if they are intoxicated with one in public or worse yet using one.
So laws that punish possession of a firearm for illegal actions are probably still constitutional--e.g. a criminal who uses dope and yet also sells it so the firearm is used in conjunction with a criminal enterprise. I think incidental laws like this would still be constitutional and perhaps including disqualification from buying new ones if one is a regular user of illegal substances is still valid.
That will probably be the next test.
More than anything, it just seemed to give a blank check to the gun grabbers to have such a broad law like that.
The underlying case was they found some weed in this guys house on a terrorism fishing expedition.
Posted by: Sharpie
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Bruen requires a showing that the regulation of the gun rights are historically based (as in prohibiting violent felons from arms) and there was never a historical prohibition on people that used cocaine, morphine, or alcohol from permanently barring them from mere possession of firearms. Plenty if they are intoxicated with one in public or worse yet using one.
So laws that punish possession of a firearm for illegal actions are probably still constitutional--e.g. a criminal who uses dope and yet also sells it so the firearm is used in conjunction with a criminal enterprise. I think incidental laws like this would still be constitutional and perhaps including disqualification from buying new ones if one is a regular user of illegal substances is still valid.
That will probably be the next test.
Posted by: whig at June 18, 2026 12:13 PM (E4rtv)
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He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering
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You were not impressed by his knowledge and skill. You offended him. Learn your place.
He seemed bored as shit, like I was an inconvenience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering
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You were not impressed by his knowledge and skill. You offended him. Learn your place.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 12:14 PM (+yTe/)
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Go look for the video of Fulton County Arena on the night of the election, the view from the overhead security cameras. You can watch them stealing the vote in real time.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 18, 2026 12:15 PM (ZVgZ4)
243
Those under table carts full of ballots aren't illegal.
That gal with the flash drive going from booth to booth is not rigging things. Driving observers outside was necessary because they were in the way. Don't you understand?
That gal with the flash drive going from booth to booth is not rigging things. Driving observers outside was necessary because they were in the way. Don't you understand?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 18, 2026 12:19 PM (+yTe/)
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239 I think J. Edgar Hoover wearing dresses was probably just a Soviet propaganda lie.
indeed. it was *skirts*.
indeed. it was *skirts*.
Posted by: j. edgar at June 18, 2026 12:23 PM (qdr3M)
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The $10,000 senator was William Clark, a Robber Baron who made his money through copper, from Montana, for whom Clark Count, Nevada (Las Vegas), was named for. He wanted to become a US senator so badly that he went into the Montana state legislature and tossed those monogrammed letters filled with $100 bills into the reps and Senators offices.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 18, 2026 12:32 PM (2IqMx)
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"I too am not a fan of Donald Trump's public personality... his bombastic pronouncements and his ricocheting around many issues."
Get a life!
Trump is a business man. He expresses shock value. It's a wakeup call to get his negotiating opponents to recognize and hopefully accept his posture. Otherwise, his opponents do not have the acumen for diplomacy.
If you hit him, he will hit you harder! Quit bitching about it!
The only way to negotiate with 'The Don' is to recognize and accept empathy with his position. Then you have a foundation for equitable negotiations.
Get a life!
Trump is a business man. He expresses shock value. It's a wakeup call to get his negotiating opponents to recognize and hopefully accept his posture. Otherwise, his opponents do not have the acumen for diplomacy.
If you hit him, he will hit you harder! Quit bitching about it!
The only way to negotiate with 'The Don' is to recognize and accept empathy with his position. Then you have a foundation for equitable negotiations.
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