Gun Thread: First June Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving hell did it get to be the First June Edition? For those keeping track at home, there will be four June Gun Threads this month. That is to say one per week, on Sundays. Please do try and keep up, 'kay?

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Are you practicing your fundamentals indoors or outdoors? What kind of targets are you using? Are you changing them frequently, making notes, and taking them home for later study? If not, why not?

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You're Kidding, Right?

Who in their right mind thought this was a good idea? I like Swiss mechanical watches as much as the next guy, but I do not want complex watch movements incorporated into my firearms. Plus it's ugly as hell, and should have been disqualified on that basis alone.

Would you want to be shot by this thing? I would not. Have some respect and consideration for your targets!

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Worst Gun Ever?

The above notwithstanding, I present to you the USFA Zip 22.

and...

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This Looks Like Fun

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Our Pal The Slinky

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Timber Fellers!

We timber fellers are a tough breed.

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NoVaMoMe 2026

What - you thought there wasn't going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2026?

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2026 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2026, and need to go over a few details. First, the date is June 20th, 2026 from 11am to 3pm. Nextly, my bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2026 will continue the longstanding tradition of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

First, no registration and no advance charge for food. If you would like to attend, send an email to WeaselBell Productions, and let us know. You will be directed to a sekrit webpage with all of the details. We do ask once you have decided to attend to let us know so we can coordinate an expected count with venue management. Once there if you are hungry or thirsty simply order from the onsite menu and pay separately. Cash and credit cards accepted. Next, although fun, we have decided to again take a break from the raffles and mug sales this year. Depending on how it goes, that may be something we bring back in future years. While your generosity is always appreciated, with no prize table, please leave donations and contributions at home, but bring your appetite for a great afternoon spent with your imaginary online friends.

Next, a NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a reply email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

That's it, people. Don't be a dork. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Highway Patrol!

This week's episode: Phony Insurance!

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The Human Duplicators!

Yikes!

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Cigar of the Week

How cigars are made at Plasencia

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo
Lucky Gunner Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Let's Go!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:00 PM (g5tO/)

2 First

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 07, 2026 07:00 PM (vt7xw)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 07:00 PM (Ia/+0)

4 Bang

Posted by: Eromero at June 07, 2026 07:01 PM (LHPAg)

5 Second I guess

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 07, 2026 07:01 PM (vt7xw)

6 Yay, gubs, yay!

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 07, 2026 07:02 PM (/g2NY)

7 Pew-pew!

Posted by: lin-duh in Texas at June 07, 2026 07:04 PM (VCgbV)

8 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)

9 It's a wonderful toy.

Posted by: fd at June 07, 2026 07:05 PM (vFG9F)

10 Otters called

Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 07:07 PM (Sy6m/)

11 Piper did not focus on fundamentals.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:07 PM (zZu0s)

12 Dang, I’m missing tonight

That H&K is indeed ugly

Reminds me of an old joke…

“If I’m ever killed by a Hi-Point, don’t let that out. Just tell everyone I was buggered to death in a gay bathhouse…”

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 07, 2026 07:07 PM (vt7xw)

13 Good evening, Weasel and fellow gubbies!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:08 PM (cFhze)

14 Well, had an outstanding time at the NHMiniMoMe. Did not have luck with the 1,000 yard target, but I did hit at 866. :-)

It was also nice to have The Grateful and T-Rex join us on this foray.

I think the others that attended can put into words much better than I on how much fun we had.

I would especially like to thank our host RI Red. Did a damn fine job getting this together and be the main spotter on the Friday session ( I was not there Thursday)
Thank you Red, cannot wait to get up there again.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:08 PM (g5tO/)

15 I like the caseless idea. In theory.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:08 PM (zZu0s)

16 Reminds me of an old joke…

“If I’m ever killed by a Hi-Point, don’t let that out. Just tell everyone I was buggered to death in a gay bathhouse…”
Posted by: Coelacanth

I used to tell the same joke but instead of a Hi-Point reference, I said something along the lines of 'don't tell my Mother I worked as a banker, instead. . . '.

And I meant it.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 07, 2026 07:10 PM (jnTpz)

17 Scoobs is withholding information. The Curse of the 1100 Yard Ram.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:10 PM (cFhze)

18 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:11 PM (BCwQW)

19 The G11 is more like a proof of concept than a field able rifle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:12 PM (zZu0s)

20 Holy Crap! Half the year's gone by already … ? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot … ?

Posted by: Dr_No at June 07, 2026 07:12 PM (ayRl+)

21 https://www.defensenews.com/news/not just a gun new socom rifle allows barrel swapping and cartridge changes

https://tinyurl.com/53mptdw7

Capable offiring 7.62 and 6.5 with only a barrel change

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (Ia/+0)

22 I know that "You're doing [ X ] wrong!" is a popular Youtube genre but "Choosing the Right Target?" Really, we've run out of real problems and we're down to target-shaming?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (vTZFs)

23 17 Scoobs is withholding information. The Curse of the 1100 Yard Ram.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:10 PM

Yeah, and brought his foxy friends with him. :-(

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (g5tO/)

24 Scoobs is withholding information. The Curse of the 1100 Yard Ram.
Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:10 PM

But the fox was smaller. And it was hit. Just sayin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

25 There were 267 comments on the Food thread, but that was only because they started arguing about barbecue.

I am sure that this crew is too fine and noble to run up the comment count with petty squabbling.

BTW: The 1911 is the finest handgun ever invented, people who carry appendix-style deserve to be rendered incapable of reproducing, and any man who carries a 9mm is currently on a very high fiber diet.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 07, 2026 07:14 PM (UE9Fq)

26 Continuing the multi-thread dialogue, on narcissists and compulsive liars -- on topic because it's important to be *honest* with yourself around guns, as otherwise physical reality will correct you violently:

268 as Steve Jobs was said to, where their charisma sucks you in to a false perception. Sounds like yours was between.
Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 06:57 PM (Sy6m/)

The liars who are compulsive i have seen almost always trip themselves up because it becomes impossible to keep their shit straight they contradict so many times they lose track of where they are at. They could save so much effort and trouble just by not lying. But it like... psychological armor (the lies.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:05 PM (zZu0s)

Well, that's where the Cluster B concept comes into play, because it's neither easy nor relevant for us to distinguish between all the different personality disorders that involve reality distortion, including also histrionic, borderline, and antisocial. We just need to develop defense mechanisms against all of them.

Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 07:15 PM (Sy6m/)

27 And a great time was had by all in NH. Thanks to RI Red for making this happen again.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)

28 Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (vTZFs)
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It's part of a series for beginners, I think.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:17 PM (3nqLb)

29 The 4.7mm ammo of the G11 was meant to save weight compared to conventional brass cased ammo and the magazines required to hold it. Testing revealed that prolonged firing (burst fire was at about 2,200 RPM) made it easier to cook off the ammo. The brass case provided a heat sink that allowed for greater safety when firing high round counts on automatic fire from a rifle. The G11 took that away. As far as I know, no one else has made any attempt to go with caseless ammo since the end of the G11 program.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:17 PM (BCwQW)

30 27 And a great time was had by all in NH. Thanks to RI Red for making this happen again.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:16 PM

Here!! Here!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:18 PM (g5tO/)

31 The Mk-24 will replace Mk-17 SCAR

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 07:18 PM (Ia/+0)

32 Capable offiring 7.62 and 6.5 with only a barrel change

My prediction, which is really that hard because it's happened before*, is that each operational group will choose whichever best fits their mission and never change. The gov't will wind up spending extra for a cool-sounding capability that nobody really needs or wants.

* see the Forgotten Weapons linked here some weeks ago about the convertible Colt

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:19 PM (vTZFs)

33 Good evening all, and thanks for the thread Weasel.
Finally home after two weeks of travel which included the famous NH MicroMini MoMe! Fantastic weather, fabulous teachers, and great conversations, not to mention the best host with a great local range. Lord Red outdid himself. Day 1 morning was an involved tutorial of AR type gubs, including take down, cleaning and reassemble. Tons of information. That afternoon, after lunch at the best little diner, we hit the range shooting at 25, 100 and 300. The next day was the long distance range, which for me was a different set of skills. But I was able to hit at 500 and 860.
Sincere thanks to Lord Red, and RMBS, CBD and Scube for their patience, knowledge, and for genuinely trying to help us be successful. I feel very blessed.
And yes, I now have long distance precision shooting in my blood - I think that should go into Lord Red's permanent record!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)

34 Siiiigh. Slinky video @1:25
Metal or plastic wound into a spring
"Wound" pronounced like a gunshot wound.

Quit watching.

I hate robot narrators, especially stupid ones. Doesn't any human watch and edit these things before uploading?

All slinkys lasted until that one bit of metal got bent. (Never had plastic - after my time.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - the wonderful wonderful tye at June 07, 2026 07:21 PM (dn9xm)

35 and any man who carries a 9mm is currently on a very high fiber diet.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 07, 2026 07:14 PM (UE9Fq)

Check out HelloFresh during Pride Month!

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:23 PM (zZu0s)

36 Posted by: mindful webworker - the wonderful wonderful tye at June 07, 2026 07:21 PM (dn9xm)
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I heard that too, but decided to go ahead and use it. Sorry you didn't like it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:23 PM (3nqLb)

37 Sincere thanks to Lord Red, and RMBS, CBD and Scube for their patience, knowledge, and for genuinely trying to help us be successful. I feel very blessed.
And yes, I now have long distance precision shooting in my blood - I think that should go into Lord Red's permanent record!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:21 PM

It was our great pleasure to help out. Half of the fun is helping newer shooters get better and making sure they get bitten by the bug.

Weasel, I think Grateful's gonna put a hurtin' on that 1,000 yard steel in October.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)

38 Oddbob can't disagree with you

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 07:24 PM (Ia/+0)

39 We just need to develop defense mechanisms against all of them.
Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 07:15 PM (Sy6m/)

Be honest. And blunt. That usually fucks with all of them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:24 PM (zZu0s)

40 If CBD is around, tell him to send me one of those oven mitts and I will sew him about 20 of them, probably better designed. Just sayin'. I have the technology.... [6 million dollar man music].

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2026 07:25 PM (bl07w)

41 I am sure that this crew is too fine and noble to run up the comment count with petty squabbling.

BTW: The 1911 is the finest handgun ever invented...

Which Moron author was it that said that he hated Glocks so much that whenever he was writing a Bad Guy With a Gun character, he always made sure to mention that it was a Glock? I don't agree with the underlying idea but I thought that was really funny.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:25 PM (vTZFs)

42 Human Duplicators with Huge Beaumont.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 07, 2026 07:25 PM (Cqx++)

43 Once you got the Slinky to go down the stairs a couple of times there wasn't much to do with it except see how far it would stretch.

Posted by: fd at June 07, 2026 07:25 PM (vFG9F)

44 Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (Ia/+0)

I suggest reading "Taking Back The Infantry Half-Kilometer," a 2009 paper written by Major Thomas Erhart for his School for Advanced Military Studies course. He discusses exactly the concepts the new SOCOM rifle executes. The big news is that the Army is putting the concepts discussed by Major Erhart into action.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:26 PM (BCwQW)

45 "Human Duplicators with Huge Beaumont.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."

And Jaws!

Posted by: fd at June 07, 2026 07:26 PM (vFG9F)

46 Weasel, I think Grateful's gonna put a hurtin' on that 1,000 yard steel in October.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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How did you know that is one of my written goals? Furthered by a cousin who questioned whether I could actually achieve that.....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

47 the 30mm looks like fun.

I wonder how our electronic scoring system would read shot from it? I sort of assume the HDT would obliterate everything out to the 8 ring....

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 07:28 PM (UJMvS)

48 Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (Ia/+0)

Forgot to add: Major Erhart's paper is available for free download from the Army. Just search for the title, and you should see it pop up.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:28 PM (BCwQW)

49 33 Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:21 PM

Happy to help out. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:29 PM (g5tO/)

50 Weasel, I think Grateful's gonna put a hurtin' on that 1,000 yard steel in October.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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How did you know that is one of my written goals? Furthered by a cousin who questioned whether I could actually achieve that.....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:27 PM

We will make this happen.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)

51 32 Capable offiring 7.62 and 6.5 with only a barrel change

My prediction, which is really that hard because it's happened before*, is that each operational group will choose whichever best fits their mission and never change. The gov't will wind up spending extra for a cool-sounding capability that nobody really needs or wants.

* see the Forgotten Weapons linked here some weeks ago about the convertible Colt
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:19 PM (vTZFs)

Isn't that the story of the LCS? Nice in theory, in practice better to have all the hulls/lowers and move those around as needed.

Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 07:30 PM (Sy6m/)

52 Once you got the Slinky to go down the stairs a couple of times there wasn't much to do with it except see how far it would stretch.

Remember the TV commercial* where they show somebody throwing it upwards and catching it? I'm pretty sure they showed that to generate repeat sales because every time I tried it, I got back a tangled mess of coils.

* if you do, I bet you remember at least part of the jingle too

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:30 PM (vTZFs)

53 As far as I know, no one else has made any attempt to go with caseless ammo since the end of the G11 program.
Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:17 PM (BCwQW)

I remember when I watched that video, I loved the bit about the fact (as you said) that you were not just ejecting the brass, but also a lot of heat with the brass. That is .... I am not sure of the right word. Like a beneficial unforseen incentive. Its brilliant (even though they did not realize it when they designed the thing.)

So the gun can be seen as eating cans of food in a car. Eat the goodies (lead and copper) then fills the cans with poop (heat) and throws the cans out the car window.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:31 PM (zZu0s)

54 June, four gun threads and MoMe.

Weasel, great job on the ONT.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 07, 2026 07:33 PM (5P5DO)

55 - I think that should go into Lord Red's permanent record!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)

Now that we have that out of the way!

We did it a little differently this year and added a new first day of AR 15 and AR pattern rifle orientation. Grateful and TRex were great guinea pigs to see how it went. Future students have big shoes to fill.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:33 PM (yyRth)

56 Weasel, great job on the ONT.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 07, 2026 07:33 PM (5P5DO)
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Aw shucks. Thank you ma'am.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:33 PM (3nqLb)

57 So the gun can be seen as eating cans of food in a car. Eat the goodies (lead and copper) then fills the cans with poop (heat) and throws the cans out the car window.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 07:31 PM (zZu0s)

I guess that is one way of describing a gun.

Posted by: Reforger at June 07, 2026 07:35 PM (ZxzYs)

58 June, four gun threads and(2) MoMes.
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Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:35 PM (IQ6Gq)

59 I guess that is one way of describing a gun.
Posted by: Reforger at June 07, 2026 07:35 PM

Toob.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:35 PM (Wnv9h)

60 Hey Idaho -
Nothing you said is incorrect or particularly controversial…

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 07, 2026 07:36 PM (vt7xw)

61 So, finally a few minutes of range time - mid distance (up to 500yds)
Bore sighting got on paper at 100, then able to work on some pretty decent shots. I'd like to try to work up to the 1K mark, but that will take time.
Oh, it's a Weatherby Vanguard (Howa 1500 Short Action) in 6.5 C with a Vortex Viper 6.5 - 20 x 50, using Federal ammo...

A real delight to shoot, and it packs a punch!

Posted by: man at June 07, 2026 07:36 PM (XuXeR)

62 Weasel and/or bluebell...is there going to be a NoVaMoMe pregame on Friday?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)

63 The 30mm Wolf thingy is cool until a drone comes by.

Posted by: yep at June 07, 2026 07:37 PM (s9TOl)

64 New addition to the TXMOME. We are going to add some archery targets.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 07, 2026 07:37 PM (5P5DO)

65 "Choosing the Right Target?" Really, we've run out of real problems and we're down to target-shaming?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (vTZFs)

Yeah. Soup cans no good?

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 07, 2026 07:38 PM (h7ZuX)

66 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

I echo everything said above about the NH MicroMiniMoMe. Great people and time well spent. Thank you.

Posted by: TRex - guinea pig dino at June 07, 2026 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)

67 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
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A handful of people usually show up in the late afternoon and early evening. If you're interested I'll swing by for a bit.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:40 PM (3nqLb)

68 Weasel, we did miss your Wind Whispering.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:40 PM (wKEfX)

69 My prediction, which is really that hard because it's happened before*, is that each operational group will choose whichever best fits their mission and never change. The gov't will wind up spending extra for a cool-sounding capability that nobody really needs or wants.

* see the Forgotten Weapons linked here some weeks ago about the convertible Colt
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:19 PM (vTZFs)

Major Erhart's paper talks about swapping upper receivers on the AR-15 style platform. Swappable upper receivers and quad 1913 rails, argues Major Erhart, give users enough flexibility to move between urban CQB scenarios to longer range DMR missions with the same weapon. The USMC equipped its Force Recon units with the Recon Weapons Kit, which provides a 10.5" barrel upper receiver with quad 1913 rails, interchangeable with the standard USMC M27 (H&K 416) rifle. The 3.5X35 ACOG can be replaced with an EOTECH red dot sight.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:41 PM (BCwQW)

70 A handful of people usually show up in the late afternoon and early evening. If you're interested I'll swing by for a bit.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:40 PM

Just curious. Usually we're busy Friday evening, but this year we're free.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:41 PM (Wnv9h)

71 Weasel, we did miss your Wind Whispering.
Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:40 PM

Truth. Hope to see you in the wilds of NH next year.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:42 PM (Wnv9h)

72 Just curious. Usually we're busy Friday evening, but this year we're free.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:41 PM (Wnv9h)
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What kind of cigars does mom smoke?

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM (3nqLb)

73 Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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A handful of people usually show up in the late afternoon and early evening. If you're interested I'll swing by for a bit.
Posted by: Weasel
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We'll be there too. If you come earlier in the day, we could do the USMC museum, too

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)

74
*** DESPERATELY SEEKING SEEKINS ***

Rumor has it that the AR-10 is starting to show indications of being a rather poorly engineered concept [vis-a-vis its little brother, the AR-15], and that Seekins might be the only shop which can ship a quality AR-10 with a reasonable expectation of mechanical longevity & fidelity to specifications.

Does anyone here have any experience with Seekins?

Or with AR-10s [in general] falling apart & failing to preserve the specs of their initial manufacturing?

Posted by: David Ben Gurion at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM (mcvmf)

75 What kind of cigars does mom smoke?
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM

She generally leaves the cigar smoking to me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)

76 So, anyway, wound up sending my Leupold rifle scope back to Leupold, again. Failed a tall target test.

Aggravating, as this is the second time I've had trouble with the scope not tracking vertically. I also told Leupold the turrets are mushy. I didn't realize that was a thing until I checked on it.

Anyway, I told Leupold I want the scope replaced as this is the second time I've sent it back. I'm also a bit peeved they didn't do something about the turrets when I first sent the scope back. I may not have asked, but, still, they did rebuild the internals so, you think the guy working on it would have noticed.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 07:44 PM (UJMvS)

77 We'll be there too. If you come earlier in the day, we could do the USMC museum, too
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM

We usually get in around 5:00 or 6:00.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)

78 "Choosing the Right Target?" Really, we've run out of real problems and we're down to target-shaming?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (vTZFs)

Yeah. Soup cans no good?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!

Piece of paper with a small circle drawn on it with a sharpy.
To cut costs you can 'borrow' the neighbors mail and a sharpy from some dude at the range.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 07, 2026 07:45 PM (/lPRQ)

79 She generally leaves the cigar smoking to me.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)
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Got it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:45 PM (3nqLb)

80 Saw an interest gadget on Friday at the range. One of the other members that showed up after we did had created a small portable fan that he used to cool down the barrel of the rifle.

He took one of those small fans that are used to fill up pool toys and the like, attached a plastic tube to the outflow on one end and drilled out a rifle casing that would fit the rifle and attached that at the other end.
The amount of air flow coming out of the end of the barrel was impressive. It definitely cooled down the barrel much much quicker than letting it cool down naturally.

Looking at making one to use with my rifle.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:46 PM (g5tO/)

81 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 07, 2026 07:45 PM (/lPRQ)
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That's pretty much what I do.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:47 PM (3nqLb)

82 Speaking of targets, we have a doofus on the silhouette range who likes to leave their empty spray paint can on the ground by steel. They're waiting for shrapnel to hit the can so it explodes. I wouldn't mind but they explode the can then leave it. Tossing it in the trash after they're done, I guess, is too much trouble.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 07:48 PM (UJMvS)

83
Which Moron author was it that said that he hated Glocks so much that whenever he was writing a Bad Guy With a Gun character, he always made sure to mention that it was a Glock? I don't agree with the underlying idea but I thought that was really funny.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:25 PM (vTZFs)

*puts on hat*
*Pats Glock 17 on hip*

Posted by: Perry the Platypus at June 07, 2026 07:48 PM (xcxpd)

84 "Choosing the Right Target?" Really, we've run out of real problems and we're down to target-shaming?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:13 PM (vTZFs)

Yeah. Soup cans no good?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 07, 2026 07:38 PM (h7ZuX)

Empty, or getting use out of dented/bulging cans?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 07, 2026 07:51 PM (qx7Zg)

85 Looking at making one to use with my rifle.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 07, 2026 07:46 PM (g5tO/)

Yep, we definitely heated up Scoobs’ brand new Tikka.
Unlike past times, we did not have the Long Range to ourselves. But everyone synched nicely, we were able to compare notes, and we saw that new barrel cooler in action.
Everybody played nicely, especially after they learned that our group were all escaping communist hell holes.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:51 PM (wKEfX)

86 Ah, Weasel, reliably providing us the finest in cheesy old SF movies.

The Human Duplicators (1964) - Remastered!!

Features Hugh Beaumont, who was a little hard on the Beaver. Also Richard "Jaws" Kiel suitably cast as the alien.

Naturally, the world is saved by Barbara Nichols, the "archetypal brassy, bosomy, Brooklynesque blonde." (IMDb) Oops, no, it wasn't her, it was the other gal.

Posted by: mindful webworker - shooting a movie at June 07, 2026 07:52 PM (dn9xm)

87 Or with AR-10s [in general] falling apart & failing to preserve the specs of their initial manufacturing?

Posted by: David Ben Gurion at June 07, 2026 07:43 PM (mcvmf)

You won't like my answer, but my choices for an AR-10 platform are H&K and Knight's Armament. The Army adopted both of these companies' offerings as the M110A1 (KAC) and M110A2 (H&K). H&K guarantees that the barrel on their MR762A4 (civilian AR-10) will shoot within 1-2 MOA for your lifetime. If it shoots 2 or more MOA from a rest, they'll replace it. Blaster zeroed a H&K MR762A4 "Assaulter" (13" barrel SBR) last week and shot overlapping holes with 4 of 5 rounds on the final adjustment at 25 yards. Both H&K and KAC are premium outfits charging premium prices for their stuff. H&K wants $4500 for the MR762A4, and KAC is in that range as well. That's without any optics, BTW.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 07:53 PM (BCwQW)

88 Well, I went and did it. I cleaned and lubricated my 1911. I think I even got it back together correctly.

At that point, I quit while I was ahead and decided to take the rest of the weekend off.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 07, 2026 07:53 PM (VmDLh)

89 At that point, I quit while I was ahead and decided to take the rest of the weekend off.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 07, 2026 07:53 PM (VmDLh)
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Congratulations, and a well deserved break!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 07:55 PM (3nqLb)

90 AR-10s [in general] falling apart & failing to preserve the specs of their initial manufacturing?"

Dunno. What I do know is that a .308 out of a shorter barrel is...wow.
A whole lotta bang.

Posted by: man at June 07, 2026 07:59 PM (XuXeR)

91 The 1911 is the finest handgun ever invented, people who carry appendix-style deserve to be rendered incapable of reproducing, and any man who carries a 9mm is currently on a very high fiber diet.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 07, 2026 07:14 PM (UE9Fq)

There is much wisdom in these words.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at June 07, 2026 07:59 PM (1P6bz)

92 Speaking of overly complicated firearms, have you seen the Ounce pistol? I think I'm going to get one eventually, the waitlist is like 6 months out. It's a crazy design. Doesn't look like it will be that durable, but it's cool as hell.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 07, 2026 07:59 PM (P4bJX)

93 He took one of those small fans that are used to fill up pool toys and the like, attached a plastic tube to the outflow on one end and drilled out a rifle casing that would fit the rifle and attached that at the other end.

I've seen benchrest guys do something similar with the tube but just blowing into it by mouth. Pretty much by definition, they're all "on the spectrum."

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 07:59 PM (vTZFs)

94 Once you got the Slinky to go down the stairs a couple of times there wasn't much to do with it except see how far it would stretch.
Posted by: fd at June 07, 2026 07:25 PM

Well, I also used mine for antennas, but I may be a special case.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 07, 2026 08:00 PM (VmDLh)

95 The Human Duplicators. Yet another old film I've only seen via Mystery Science Theater. the blind brunette was a dolly.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rock 'n' Roll Martian at June 07, 2026 08:00 PM (0aYVJ)

96 Oh yeah, I had a senior shooter moment.

I was going through my round count notes and noticed one of my rifles was showing sufficient rounds to need a cleaning. But, I was almost certain I'd already cleaned it. And, the problem was, I'd shot the rifle since it had been cleaned, if, indeed, I'd forgotten to note date of most recent cleaning.

Sigh.

So, I cleaned, and, yep, it wasn't all that dirty, leading me to believe, yes, yes it had been cleaned. However, duly recorded, this time, in the round count log.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:00 PM (UJMvS)

97 Yep, we definitely heated up Scoobs’ brand new Tikka.
Unlike past times, we did not have the Long Range to ourselves. But everyone synched nicely, we were able to compare notes, and we saw that new barrel cooler in action.
Everybody played nicely, especially after they learned that our group were all escaping communist hell holes.
Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 07:51 PM

That was a good crowd. Lots of good discussion. It made for a good day.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

98 Dunno. What I do know is that a .308 out of a shorter barrel is...wow.
A whole lotta bang.
Posted by: man at June 07, 2026 07:59 PM (XuXeR)

Which is why a good flow through suppressor is mandatory when shooting an SBR'd .308.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 08:05 PM (BCwQW)

99 my 1911"

Only one? Well, okey dokey....

Posted by: man at June 07, 2026 08:05 PM (XuXeR)

100 Does your 1911 have a name?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2026 08:07 PM (2GVsD)

101 my 1911"

Only one? Well, okey dokey....

I don't get it.

Posted by: Norm "my routah" Abrams at June 07, 2026 08:08 PM (vTZFs)

102 Howdy weasel!

Thank you for the gun thread!

I’ve been doing more .22 plinking lately. Both my Ruger Mark IV and the lever action Henry rifle.

I love how the fundamentals remain the same, recoil is negligible, ammo is cheap and it’s less flash and bang. I can shoot .22 all day and be happy as a bird.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 07, 2026 08:08 PM (Mn5g+)

103 One last comment on our get together:
In two days, Grateful went from 8” groups at 25 yards with an iron sights AR 15, to ringing steel at 860 yards with an AR 10 in .308 and a 6.5 Creedmoor. CBD got TRex ringing steel at 530 with the AR 10 - standing at a barricade. No bench shooting for him!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:09 PM (xKYnC)

104 Nothing Ihave has a name

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 08:10 PM (Ia/+0)

105 What's the story with the 2011? Is it sort of a modernized 1911, or a completely different animal?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 07, 2026 08:10 PM (Ot/FD)

106 RI Red, that's excellent! Good job.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:11 PM (UJMvS)

107 Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:09 PM (xKYnC)
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Sounds like a productive weekend!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:12 PM (3nqLb)

108 Nothing Ihave has a name
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 08:10 PM (Ia/+0)
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Not even your bologna?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:12 PM (UJMvS)

109 I just learned of a great cigar bar not far from the house! In Washington State??? Well, yes, on the local Indian reservation. Apparently cigar smoke in a casino will not hurt you! Who knew??? Because the communist muthas in Olympia closed all the cigar bars in the state some years ago. Apparently it was going to kill everyone! But it was part of a deal between the dems and the natives to give them a monopoly. But mostly because of the deal.
Bastards.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 08:12 PM (2WIwB)

110 Weasel, they are ready for your instruction now!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:13 PM (wKEfX)

111 What's the story with the 2011? Is it sort of a modernized 1911, or a completely different animal?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 07, 2026 08:10 PM (Ot/FD)

It's a mostly different platform. Biggest differences are the use of double stack magazines vs. the 1911's single stack and primary chambering of 9mm vs. .45 ACP for the 1911.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 08:13 PM (BCwQW)

112 What's the story with the 2011? Is it sort of a modernized 1911, or a completely different animal?

I don't know if it's an actual trade name but "2011" usually means a pistol that operates internally like a 1911 but uses a double-stack mag and usually a polymer frame. Strayer-Tripp debuted it some time in the mid-90s. Then that company split into Strayer-Voight and STI. I believe STI is what became Stacatto.

Posted by: Norm at June 07, 2026 08:16 PM (vTZFs)

113 /This Old Sock

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 08:17 PM (vTZFs)

114 Does your 1911 have a name?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2026 08:07 PM (2GVsD)

My 1911 has a first name. It's O-S-C-A-R.
My 1911 has a last name. It's G-R-O-U-C-H.
I shoot Oscar at targets when I feel like a grouch.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 07, 2026 08:17 PM (qx7Zg)

115 RI Red, that's excellent! Good job.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:11 PM (UJMvS)

Blake, both RMBS and Scoobs have mentioned becoming a member at my club - that would mean the guest list would expand by 4 each. We could open this up a bit more.
And if you can ever get to NH, there are 1100 yards and 50 targets waiting. Hilly terrain, hidden wind factors. And great small town dining!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:18 PM (wKEfX)

116 Weasel, they are ready for your instruction now!
Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:13 PM (wKEfX)
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I thought you liked them!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:19 PM (3nqLb)

117 Sounds like a productive weekend!
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:12 PM

It was, indeed. They're ready for more advanced instruction. Corsicana should be fun.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:19 PM (Wnv9h)

118 H/T Insty, here's yet another thing I have absolutely no need for and absolutely want.

https://tinyurl.com/mr22r568

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 08:21 PM (vTZFs)

119 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:19 PM (Wnv9h)
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I hear you're quite the coach. Congratulations! More work for you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM (3nqLb)

120 115 And great small town dining!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:18 PM
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Live free or dine!

Posted by: TRex - belgian waffle dino at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)

121 I thought you liked them!
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:19 PM (3nqLb)
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Okay, I have to put this out there: Without Weasel's sage advice about shooting, I wouldn't be nearly as successful at the long range game as I am. Weasel is an excellent coach and should be listened to.

Which is my roundabout way of saying, "Thank you."

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM (UJMvS)

122 I hear you're quite the coach. Congratulations! More work for you!
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM

I try. Occasionally I succeed.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:24 PM (Wnv9h)

123 Oh, yeah. We worked up RMBS’ dope for his new 6.5 Creedmoor, and he was nailing everything, Including a 39” x 9” fox at 1107.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:24 PM (wKEfX)

124 RI Red, is NH suppressor friendly? Because I prefer shooting my rifles suppressed. Unless you need me to empty the range.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:25 PM (UJMvS)

125 And great small town dining!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:18 PM
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Live free or dine!
Posted by: TRex - belgian waffle dino at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM

A most cromulent small town diner experience.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:26 PM (Wnv9h)

126 And great small town dining!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:18 PM
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Live free or dine!
Posted by: TRex - belgian waffle dino at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Hah!

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:26 PM (UJMvS)

127 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM (UJMvS)
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I have coached a lot of very good shooters, but all of your success is because of you. RI Red too. You guys listen to instruction, ask good questions, think about the answers, and apply what you have learned through diligent practice. Every instructor's dream student. No shit.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:26 PM (3nqLb)

128 I'm still PO'd that the owner of USFA screwed up the company and quit manufacturing those excellent SAAs. The one I managed to obtain is of better quality than the Colt SAAs made during the same time IMHO.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 07, 2026 08:27 PM (iKI7b)

129
I saw that SOCOM has started a program (HICAR) to develop a high-pressure 5 56 mm round (82,000 psi vs 62,000) and new high-pressure firearm components to increase performance of existing M4 carbines. The requirements included performance from an 11.5" barrel, which seems awfully short for a rifle. Anyway, the stated objective is to increase effective range of the M4 from 300 yards to 600.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 07, 2026 08:28 PM (HLgI3)

130 Good, if tardy, Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks to Weasel for the forum. I spent 3+ hours doing yardwork today (not even my own yard, a family in need) and that not only removed my shootin' practice time, but plum wore me out in the process!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:29 PM (xVpNO)

131 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:29 PM (xVpNO)
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A handful of Aleve and you'll be good as new!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:30 PM (3nqLb)

132 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:25 PM

Northern New England is suppressor friendly. Southern New England is asshoe.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:31 PM (Wnv9h)

133 I thought the best cigars* were hand-rolled on the nubile thighs of young maidens, who retired after marriage?

* Horde-favorite Swisher Sweets excepted.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)

134 I went to the Virginia Gun Collectors' Association's gun show this weekend. I saw a Colt Army Special in .38 Special with most of the finish still intact on a table for $700. I couldn't resist that price, so I picked it up. The serial number checks out to 1925. For something that's 101 years old, it still looks pretty good and still functions quite well. In fact, the turn line on the cylinder is barely visible. I'm guessing that it wasn't shot very much.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (BCwQW)

135 RI Red, is NH suppressor friendly? Because I prefer shooting my rifles suppressed. Unless you need me to empty the range.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:25 PM (UJMvS)

Abso-f’ing-lutely! This is a bastion of freedom in the North East. Constitutional Carry, Suppressors are most common.
I was hoping to put our students on my 6.5 Creed suppressed, but we ran out of time and steam.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (W8s7v)

136 Did anyone else notice the Hobby Thread dissing the Gun Thread this week?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (0sNs1)

137 Couple weeks ago watched a interesting French movie, 15 Minutes of War, based on a real hostage situation, Somalians terrorists take a bus load of French children. A force of French shooters go to solve this situation.
Watched it on Tubi sure its on other streaming video

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (Ia/+0)

138 Did anyone else notice the Hobby Thread dissing the Gun Thread this week?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (0sNs1)
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*Gasp!*

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:37 PM (6PF3l)

139 Nothing Ihave has a name"

"Richard Roundtree"

Heh.

Posted by: man at June 07, 2026 08:38 PM (XuXeR)

140 A handful of Aleve and you'll be good as new!
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:30 PM (3nqLb)

There was a time when that was true; sadly, all the NSAIDs in the world cannot fully soothe me.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:39 PM (xVpNO)

141 Did anyone else notice the Hobby Thread dissing the Gun Thread this week?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (0sNs1)
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*Gasp!*
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:37 PM

The top pic on the Saturday ONT looked suspiciously like the lawn of Schloss Red.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 08:39 PM (Wnv9h)

142 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, chillin' in Amish Country at June 07, 2026 08:40 PM (Xrd0y)

143 There was a time when that was true; sadly, all the NSAIDs in the world cannot fully soothe me.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:39 PM (xVpNO)
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Percocet?

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:41 PM (6PF3l)

144 Live free or dine!
Posted by: TRex - belgian waffle dino at June 07, 2026 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Hah!
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:26 PM (UJMvS)

TRex took a picture of that sign at the diner. He may also have used in an ONT a view of a pond from the lawn of Schloss Rot.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:42 PM (xKYnC)

145 Percocet?
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:41 PM (6PF3l)
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Ah, the old, "still have allergies but no longer care" route,

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:42 PM (UJMvS)

146 Anyone here familiar with Rost Martin? Specifically the RM1C 9mm. I've read some good reviews, seen some positive videos, and my local distributer has a kit with the pistol, an optic (green dot ), 3 extra mags and a range bag for about $4xx and change.

Interested in folks who have one.

Not folks who want to pontificate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 07, 2026 08:42 PM (jehhT)

147 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:42 PM (UJMvS)
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If none of that works, mango ice cream.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:43 PM (6PF3l)

148 TRex took a picture of that sign at the diner. He may also have used in an ONT a view of a pond from the lawn of Schloss Rot.
Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 08:42 PM (xKYnC)
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Wait, it's the name of a diner in NH? If so, great name. Or, great advertisement.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:43 PM (UJMvS)

149 I was hoping to put our students on my 6.5 Creed suppressed, but we ran out of time and steam.
Posted by: RI Red
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Writing this down in my notebook for next year.....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 08:44 PM (IQ6Gq)

150 I've been wanting to go shooting for a couple of weeks now, but every time I've been ready to go, the weather hasn't cooperated. I need to do some sighting in for a couple of rifles, but 20 mph wind makes this problematic.

I may have to embrace it and just go plinking, blasting at tin cans with a pistol as the wind blows them across the gravel pit.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 07, 2026 08:44 PM (UE9Fq)

151 136 Did anyone else notice the Hobby Thread dissing the Gun Thread this week?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM (0sNs1)

No chance TRex would let that happen ...

... right?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:44 PM (xVpNO)

152 If none of that works, mango ice cream.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:43 PM (6PF3l)

Now there's a medication regime I can get behind!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:46 PM (xVpNO)

153 136 Did anyone else notice the Hobby Thread dissing the Gun Thread this week?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 08:36 PM
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"dissing"? No. Referencing? Yes. The content even (correctly, I think) incorporated Density Altitude and MOA!

Geez. Let's not stir up trouble (at least any more trouble than usual). That's the kind of stuff that earns marks on permanent records.

Posted by: TRex - live free or dino at June 07, 2026 08:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

154 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:46 PM (xVpNO)
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Not Italian ice or sherbet, actual mango ice cream. You can usually find it at Indian (dot, not woo-woo) grocers.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 08:47 PM (6PF3l)

155 I saw that SOCOM has started a program (HICAR) to develop a high-pressure 5 56 mm round (82,000 psi vs 62,000) and new high-pressure firearm components to increase performance of existing M4 carbines. The requirements included performance from an 11.5" barrel, which seems awfully short for a rifle. Anyway, the stated objective is to increase effective range of the M4 from 300 yards to 600.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 07, 2026 08:28 PM (HLgI3)

The requirements you're quoting imply 1) replacement of the existing bolt and bolt carrier, 2) a significantly tougher buffer spring and denser buffer (that pressure has to get soaked up somewhere), 3) some kind of adjustable gas block (suppressor use by SOCOM is a given, especially with 11.5" barrels), and 4) advanced suppressor technology using 3D printed titanium cans. Only a few of the big boys will be able to play in this sandbox: H&K, KAC, SIG, LMT, and a couple others.

11.5" barrels are not that shot in the SOCOM world. the XM177E2 carbines used by MACV-SOG in Vietnam sixty years ago all featured 11.5" barrels. They seem longer because of the "moderator" added on the front to cut down on the muzzle flash and muzzle blast.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 08:48 PM (BCwQW)

156 Not Italian ice or sherbet, actual mango ice cream. You can usually find it at Indian (dot, not woo-woo) grocers.
Posted by: Weasel
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OK, that made me laugh....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 08:49 PM (IQ6Gq)

157 Was thinking cross threaded with Hobby thread, but one has to admit archery hasn't come up here much.

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 08:52 PM (Ia/+0)

158 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

There was an EOD robot with disruptor for sale on FB Marketplave and I had to remind everyone that Father's Day is coming up.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 07, 2026 08:55 PM (NlEaG)

159 Well, time to wander. Later!

Thanks again, weasel!

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 07, 2026 08:56 PM (UJMvS)

160 I started wathing ground school video for pilot training (because I do not have enough expensive hobbies) and they talked about Density Altitude and how it was a complex topic and I am all "heard about it!"

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 07, 2026 08:56 PM (NlEaG)

161 Cosmolene is apparently not the storage medium of choice for gubs now. The new hotness is VCI?

I guess that's better than wiping all the gunk off.

Florida is humid. Plans for blaster acres are gelling.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 07, 2026 08:59 PM (NlEaG)

162 Indian (dot, not woo-woo) grocers.
Posted by: Weasel
*********
OK, that made me laugh....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 08:49 PM (IQ6Gq)

Same here, ma'am.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 07, 2026 08:59 PM (xVpNO)

163 I started wathing ground school video for pilot training (because I do not have enough expensive hobbies) and they talked about Density Altitude and how it was a complex topic and I am all "heard about it!"
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 07, 2026 08:56 PM

Just remember. Density altitude is an altitude. As the altitude goes up, the air gets thinner and the airplane performs less well. So, high density altitude is less performance because high altitude is less performance.

Could be important.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 07, 2026 09:00 PM (VmDLh)

164 Time for me to punch out. Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel.

See y'all in the Morning Report.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 09:05 PM (Wnv9h)

165 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 07, 2026 09:05 PM (xcxpd)

166 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 07, 2026 09:05 PM (Wnv9h)
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Adios, amigo. See you soon.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:05 PM (6PF3l)

167 "dissing"? No. Referencing? Yes.
Posted by: TRex - live free or dino at June 07, 2026 08:47 PM

What about the phrase "and no movies about the wonders of ball bearings." ???

Ball bearings are our pal. So it's hard to avoid the diss that the movies about our pals that Weasel spends uncounted hours finding for our elucidation and delectation aren't appreciated.

* patriotic background music begins to play*

Well, I, for one, appreciate them! As do all chiroptophiles and Spheniscidaephobes who support Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

Don't be a H8er and diss Our Pals!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 09:08 PM (0sNs1)

168 Just remember. Density altitude is an altitude. As the altitude goes up, the air gets thinner and the airplane performs less well. So, high density altitude is less performance because high altitude is less performance.
Could be important.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 07, 2026 09:00 PM (VmDLh)

Excellent point as to aircraft (especially rotary wing trying to beat the air into submission).
HOWEVER, for bullet performance, it’s the opposite. The thinner the air (higher DA), the faster the bullet flies.
A silver lining, so to speak.

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (Nnk6l)

169 Anyone look at the timber felling vid? Believe it or not, in a previous life I was a certified tree cutter-upper on federal land.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (6PF3l)

170 169 Anyone look at the timber felling vid? Believe it or not, in a previous life I was a certified tree cutter-upper on federal land.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (6PF3l)

I did watch it. Dude's arms are amazing. That is hard-ass work right there.

We need to half-clear about an acre this summer, but those are tiny little birch trees with a few scrubby spruce. Nothing like in that video.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2026 09:11 PM (bl07w)

171 Anyone look at the timber felling vid? Believe it or not, in a previous life I was a certified tree cutter-upper on federal land.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM

Federal lands don't have the organic free-range trees that you're currently wrangling though, correct?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 09:11 PM (0sNs1)

172 blaster acres is covered with trees. I am going to have to be a tree feller too. Though more like bulldozing and timber mulching.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 07, 2026 09:11 PM (NlEaG)

173 HOWEVER, for bullet performance, it’s the opposite. The thinner the air (higher DA), the faster the bullet flies.
A silver lining, so to speak.
Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (Nnk6l)

DH discovered this fact when golfing in Wyo.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2026 09:12 PM (bl07w)

174 Hi pressure rounds probably are a bad idea. Eventually we might get true HPV rounds that are only a few grains of tungsten but truck along at 6k FPS.....but today is not that day.

These are going to be expensive rounds that burn out guns in a hurry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 07, 2026 09:12 PM (xcxpd)

175 Don't be a H8er and diss Our Pals!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
*******
One thinks you are reaching far to come to that conclusion. There was no intent for your conclusion. And there won't be, both sports can exist at the same time.

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

176 Time to pack it in.
Weasel, I don’t know if it’s part of a master plan, but the seeds you have planted around the country regarding long range shooting, have sprouted well. A bunch of people on this site owe you big time.
Me, fer sher!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 09:15 PM (Nnk6l)

177 Federal lands don't have the organic free-range trees that you're currently wrangling though, correct?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 07, 2026 09:11 PM (0sNs1)
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Nah. All non-organic. Full of GMOs too!

Logging is very hard and verrrry dangerous work.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:16 PM (6PF3l)

178 I hope I linked my email correctly in my sig.

I need to offload some firearms to keep a roof over my head.
I have a M-1 from CMP, and a Python. Nothing else I own is worth much. If anyone is interested, shoot me an email and we can talk. Otherwise I'll head to the pawn shop/gun store this coming week.

Posted by: GWB at June 07, 2026 09:16 PM (cKPoE)

179 Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 09:15 PM (Nnk6l)
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Thank you, grasshopper. My pleasure and privilege!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:17 PM (6PF3l)

180 Believe it or not, in a previous life I was a certified tree cutter-upper on federal land.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (6PF3l)

He's a lumberjack and he's ok,
He sleeps all night and he works all day!

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 09:17 PM (zZu0s)

181 No work tomorrow. But better get to bed
Have a good night everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2026 09:17 PM (Ia/+0)

182 Hi pressure rounds probably are a bad idea. Eventually we might get true HPV rounds that are only a few grains of tungsten but truck along at 6k FPS.....but today is not that day.

These are going to be expensive rounds that burn out guns in a hurry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 07, 2026 09:12 PM (xcxpd)

If you buy guns and their spares in bulk like Uncle Sugar, replacement costs aren't as much of a concern as they are for the rest of us.

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 09:18 PM (BCwQW)

183 He cuts down trees. He eats his lunch.
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shoppin'
And has buttered scones for tea.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 09:18 PM (zZu0s)

184 He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 07, 2026 09:19 PM (zZu0s)

185 OK, 9:20pm thank you time!

Thank you!!

Sure do appreciate all y'all being here and being my pals. Means a lot to me. Hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:20 PM (6PF3l)

186 178 I hope I linked my email correctly in my sig.

I need to offload some firearms to keep a roof over my head.
I have a M-1 from CMP, and a Python. Nothing else I own is worth much. If anyone is interested, shoot me an email and we can talk. Otherwise I'll head to the pawn shop/gun store this coming week.
Posted by: GWB at June 07, 2026 09:16 PM (cKPoE)

So sorry to hear that man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 07, 2026 09:20 PM (xcxpd)

187 Logging is for tough SOBs. DH's grandpa, who was at Iwo Jima among other places, was cutting trees on his farm, dropped one on himself, broke all his ribs on one side, dragged his ass to his truck and drove himself to the hospital. F----king hell.

He was also, apparently, a complete ass. But one tough one. After Iwo Jima, I guess he got a pass.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2026 09:21 PM (bl07w)

188 Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 09:15 PM (Nnk6l)
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Thank you, grasshopper. My pleasure and privilege!
Posted by: Weasel
**********
I will forever be grateful to both of you.....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 09:23 PM (IQ6Gq)

189 For those interested in shooting after the Virginia MoMe we are thinking maybe of changing the venue - you can all become Apex members here:

http://alturl.com/e88y7

(I keed, I keed)

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 07, 2026 09:23 PM (NlEaG)

190 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 07, 2026 09:24 PM (BCwQW)

191 Haven’t been to the range in a while, but loaded up some 308 rounds this weekend with 175 SMKs, trying to reverse engineer Federal Gold Medal rounds for the RPR. It liked IMR 3031 with 168s better than IMR 4064 or H4895.

Just wrapping up smoking a Tabacos Baez serie SF. Pretty good cigar, nice even burn and easy draw.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 07, 2026 09:25 PM (TVkKh)

192 174 Hi pressure rounds probably are a bad idea. Eventually we might get true HPV rounds that are only a few grains of tungsten but truck along at 6k FPS.....but today is not that day.

These are going to be expensive rounds that burn out guns in a hurry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Yep. Same thing with short barrelled AR-10's. Basically each cartridge is optimized for certain pressures, recoil, burning rate for powder, projectile, (gas rifles--a certain dwell time and pressure curve )etc.

Once you start monkeying with one variable, then suddenly you start buggering up other variables which makes it damn hard to figure out what the causal relationship and path dependence is with other variables.

Shorter barrels, higher blast when you have a cartridge designed around longer barrels and/or greater dwell time. Want to do that sort of thing---go to a switch barrel bolt action which is manageable. Semi auto or full auto simply is asking for endless headaches. Same reason an A-10 is still around--it excels at certain tasks that the rest of our fighters can't do effectively.

Brute force engineering is almost always a kludge and not optimal.

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:26 PM (E4rtv)

193 Believe it or not, in a previous life I was a certified tree cutter-upper on federal land.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (6PF3l)

My roommate in college set chokers one summer for employment. Said it was the worst job ever.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 09:27 PM (2WIwB)

194 Just wrapping up smoking a Tabacos Baez serie SF. Pretty good cigar, nice even burn and easy draw.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 07, 2026 09:25 PM (TVkKh)
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I was sorting through my cigar deep storage and found a half box of Cain Maduros. I'd forgotten how much I like them!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:27 PM (6PF3l)

195 Nothing else I own is worth much. If anyone is interested, shoot me an email and we can talk. Otherwise I'll head to the pawn shop/gun store this coming week.
Posted by: GWB
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If you need the most bang per buck, consider raffling them here perhaps--dunno about the mechanics of it. Kim DuToit did a couple of his firearms or perhaps Jim's that way recently. I think it was Jim's to benefit his widow. Raised quite a bit.

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:28 PM (E4rtv)

196 Yep. Same thing with short barrelled AR-10's. Basically each cartridge is optimized for certain pressures, recoil, burning rate for powder, projectile, (gas rifles--a certain dwell time and pressure curve )etc.

Once you start monkeying with one variable, then suddenly you start buggering up other variables which makes it damn hard to figure out what the causal relationship and path dependence is with other variables.

Shorter barrels, higher blast when you have a cartridge designed around longer barrels and/or greater dwell time. Want to do that sort of thing---go to a switch barrel bolt action which is manageable. Semi auto or full auto simply is asking for endless headaches. Same reason an A-10 is still around--it excels at certain tasks that the rest of our fighters can't do effectively.
Brute force engineering is almost always a kludge and not optimal.
Posted by: whig
**********
Wow, for the first time, I fully followed all of that reasoning....add that to RI Red's permanent record!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 09:29 PM (IQ6Gq)

197 My roommate in college set chokers one summer for employment. Said it was the worst job ever.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 09:27 PM (2WIwB)
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I used to do a lot of volunteer trail work in National Parks, and to use a chain saw you had to be certified as a logger. It's really no joke, especially felling trees. There are a zillion ways to kill or maim yourself. And I was doing it for FREE.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:30 PM (6PF3l)

198 What Ed L. said,

Ditto on thanks Weasel.

Just got in from a long 8 hour trip back home from checking in on my mother in memory care and dealing with some of her issues coming back from hip surgery.

First long car trip since well before my back surgery. Tomorrow, more spinal injections but lumbar instead of my cervical. Phy Assistant gave me an intramuscular shot that quelled back spasms enough to make the trip. That plus Salonpas pain patches.

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:32 PM (E4rtv)

199 Wow, for the first time, I fully followed all of that reasoning....add that to RI Red's permanent record!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 09:29 PM (IQ6Gq)

Ha!

Posted by: RI Red at June 07, 2026 09:32 PM (qW5d6)

200 Wow, for the first time, I fully followed all of that reasoning....add that to RI Red's permanent record!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 09:29 PM (IQ6Gq)
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You've been infected.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:34 PM (6PF3l)

201 I used to do a lot of volunteer trail work in National Parks, and to use a chain saw you had to be certified as a logger. It's really no joke, especially felling trees. There are a zillion ways to kill or maim yourself. And I was doing it for FREE.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:30 PM (6PF3l)

Heh.
A buddy of mine is doing that now and I told him he's too old to be slinging a chains around. He agrees and lets the younger guys do it. No idea if they are certified. Probably I imagine.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 09:34 PM (2WIwB)

202 GWB
Email sent.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 09:36 PM (2WIwB)

203 OK, 9:20pm thank you time!

Thanks, Weasel. And good night to good li'l Morons everywhere.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 09:36 PM (vTZFs)

204 Wow, for the first time, I fully followed all of that reasoning....add that to RI Red's permanent record!
Posted by: The Grateful

If you like reading for technical education, picking up Richard Lee's Reloading Manual is a great way to start. Cheap enough (well under 20 bucks the last time I checked even for hardbound) but Richard Lee, because he was addressing to beginning reloaders how cartridges are made, pressure curves, bullets, brass, etc. , it gives any shooter excellent information about cartridges, primers, etc. for both safety reasons to be able to check their own ammo, and for understanding how bullet cartridges work.

Nice thing is that Lee's Reloading Manual can be picked up read a couple of things, and then put down, then picked up again when you understand a bit more, and so on. Some others are good but often at a higher level like Lyman manuals include a lot of cartridge history which matters for a few but not necessarily for how to understand workings of cartridges when fired.

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:37 PM (E4rtv)

205 Heh.
A buddy of mine is doing that now and I told him he's too old to be slinging a chains around. He agrees and lets the younger guys do it. No idea if they are certified. Probably I imagine.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 09:34 PM (2WIwB)
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It's fun and the camaraderie is great, but it's extremely difficult work. Learned a ton over the years about digging holes and tree work and using rigging equipment to move boulders and dry-laid stone work.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:38 PM (6PF3l)

206 On AR-10's, an 18 inch barrel is sufficient enough for a rifle length gas system which makes them operate far smoother than 16 inch or worse below in a 7.62x51 Second, there are two different patterns out there--the original Armalite pattern which is about dead, and the second was DPMS pattern in either low or high receiver. PSA did its own little special twist on the DPMS version (cannot remember whether it is high or low) but that mainly affects handguard choice and perhaps gas system components like adjustable gas blocks.

And then there is tolerance creep any time you are putting components from different manufacturers together and the AR-10, unlike the M-16/AR-15 never truly had a full tech documentation of manufacturing specifications. The Army insists, rightfully so, on those specs and mfg info for any Army issued firearm so that they can subcontract parts or the whole rifle if needed for wartime.

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:43 PM (E4rtv)

207 Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2026 09:36 PM (vTZFs)
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Nite Ob!

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:44 PM (6PF3l)

208 Thanks Whig, will look into that this week.
and yes Weasel, I am infected....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 07, 2026 09:45 PM (IQ6Gq)

209 GWB.
First email kicked back.
Second one on the way.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2026 09:50 PM (2WIwB)

210 208 Thanks Whig, will look into that this week.
and yes Weasel, I am infected....
Posted by: The Grateful

Richard Lee was a talented inventer of most of Lee's products for reloaders and he has the knack of explaining things at the surface but repeats the information so rereading it can give deeper insight.

Reading about his lead bullet adventures is a hoot and his son worked with him on that project as teenager. He also discusses black powder a bit, bullet design, primer information, and so on.

RIchard's son now owns and runs Lee Precision and sadly his father passed away about ten years ago.

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:50 PM (E4rtv)

211 Breaking
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
BREAKING:

Iran has launched a number of ballistic missiles at northern Israel.

Expect Israeli airstrikes against Iran in the coming hours…

Posted by: whig at June 07, 2026 09:51 PM (E4rtv)

212 I Loved the Slinky as a kid.
The perpetual motion down a staircase was awesome, and actually worked, just like on the commercials.
But! I learned a lifelong lesson playing with them. Slinky’s are MORTAL ENEMIES OF ONE ANOTHER!
Do not introduce any one Slinky to another. They will fight, and everyone loses. Especially the Slinky(s)’ owner!

Posted by: Gunslinger at June 07, 2026 09:51 PM (HZfH/)

213 Posted by: Gunslinger at June 07, 2026 09:51 PM (HZfH/)
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Hey amigo - I mentioned Cain Maduros earlier. Are you familiar with them?

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:53 PM (6PF3l)

214 >>>Believe it or not, in a previous life I was a certified tree cutter-upper on federal land.
Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 09:09 PM (6PF3l)

My roommate in college set chokers one summer for employment. Said it was the worst job ever.

Posted by: Diogenes

>In a previous life, I worked with a group of loggers and I drove the skidder. Not a modern day skidder, but a beast. Also trucked those logs off of the mountian down to the mill. Very dangerous work.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 07, 2026 09:53 PM (pSkMS)

215 I need to offload some firearms to keep a roof over my head.
I have a M-1 from CMP, and a Python. Nothing else I own is worth much. If anyone is interested, shoot me an email and we can talk. Otherwise I'll head to the pawn shop/gun store this coming week.
Posted by: GWB

At a local gun show a guy brought in a M-1. He started getting offers before he even got in the door. Good offers? Don't know, but quite a bit of interest.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 07, 2026 09:55 PM (/lPRQ)

216 Boy, some of these cheesy old SF movies have clunker endings. It's like, the budget is used up, end it here.

Posted by: mindful webworker - critically ordinary at June 07, 2026 09:58 PM (dn9xm)

217 It's official.

Decision Desk HQ
@DecisionDeskHQ
Decision Desk HQ projects Nithya Raman wins the second of two spots in the CA Los Angeles Mayor Nonpartisan Primary

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at June 07, 2026 09:58 PM (ndZc7)

218 “The 1911 is the finest handgun ever invented, people who carry appendix-style deserve to be rendered incapable of reproducing, and any man who carries a 9mm is currently on a very high fiber diet.”

There is a whole lot of truth going on here. But…
Since I do not have “love handles”, but but “love railings”, Apex carry is not within my possibilities…
So, the 5 o’clock position is my result.

Posted by: Gunslinger at June 07, 2026 09:58 PM (HZfH/)

219 I Loved the Slinky as a kid.
Posted by: Gunslinger at June 07, 2026 09:51 PM (HZfH/)

Some people are a lot like Slinky's. They really don't do much and aren't terribly useful, but you can't help but smile when you push them down the stairs.

Posted by: GWB at June 07, 2026 09:59 PM (kU0PQ)

220 And thanks to those who emailed.

Posted by: GWB at June 07, 2026 09:59 PM (kU0PQ)

221 Good luck GWB.

Posted by: Weasel at June 07, 2026 10:00 PM (6PF3l)

222 It suddenly occurs to me, after my delightful Sunday afternoon nap, that I should tell the gun thread what I learned.

So. I did some cursory research on chamberings favored in the grim lands of our conquered forebears, and while English cops don't normally carry, what guns they have in their HQ are all the familiar NATO ones: 9mm handguns, 5.56mm carbines, 7.56mm sniper rifles (really?), and 12-gauge shotguns (nice Imperial there).

The point of this exercise was to find out what kind of ammo might be readily available at gunpoint, if we were to airdrop crates of Liberty Starter Kits with just a single case of Freedom Seeds per Pew Pew. AI refused, unsurprisingly, to tell me what kind of guns were in mosque armories; the closest I could get was that the firearms most commonly captured being smuggled were AK-47s, and the ones most commonly confiscated off being carried by criminals were 9mm pistols.

Other commenters have pointed out that our kin across the pond don't have any practice or experience with guns. So, with cops and criminals alike settling on 9mm, and with discomfort and unfamiliarity being an issue, I think Pistol-Caliber Carbines are the way to go.

Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 10:04 PM (Sy6m/)

223 Hey Weasel-San.
I actually can’t say I’m familiar with the Cain brand.
Not opposed to Maduros, per se, and have smoked many, but not my first choice.
But…I actually thought of you today, as I was smoking a Diesel 6X60. In fact, it was a maduro…
It’s an investment in time.
And then, I had a CAO Brazilia.
Which I know you like…
Car maintenance day, so stogies were mandatory. As if there was a time when they aren’t. lol.

Posted by: Gunslinger at June 07, 2026 10:07 PM (HZfH/)

224 The odds of what happened in the mayor's race are so low that you would not expect them to happen once in the history of mankind

Posted by: 18-1 at June 07, 2026 10:13 PM (sKqQm)

225 I misspoke. I mean 7.62x51mm sniper rifles, which is a (really?) because that's a relatively light cartridge suitable for battle rifles. Indeed, the .30-06 Springfield (or 7.62x63mm), "the cartridge that won two World Wars," was a battle rifle chambering in its day, with even water-cooled BARs. So if you're going to make a 30-caliber sniper rifle, at least go x63mm for goodness' sake.

Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 10:13 PM (Sy6m/)

226 Oh, there's an ONT. Oops.

Posted by: SciVo at June 07, 2026 10:18 PM (Sy6m/)

227 Alas, I can't make the meetup this year. I already have two events booked for that day. I can't make a third happen.

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