Gun Thread: Final May Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the Final May Edition?! June editions are just around the corner!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

More revolver fun!

and...

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FP-45 Liberator Pistol

Some stuff I didn't know!

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Post Shooting Trauma?

Will you win the fight and still lose in the long-term?

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Our Pal Steel

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NoVaMoMe 2026

What - you thought there wasn't going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2026?

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2026 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2026, and need to go over a few details. First, the date is June 20th, 2026 from 11am to 3pm. Nextly, my bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2026 will continue the longstanding tradition of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

First, no registration and no advance charge for food. If you would like to attend, send an email to WeaselBell Productions, and let us know. You will be directed to a sekrit webpage with all of the details. We do ask once you have decided to attend to let us know so we can coordinate an expected count with venue management. Once there if you are hungry or thirsty simply order from the onsite menu and pay separately. Cash and credit cards accepted. Next, although fun, we have decided to again take a break from the raffles and mug sales this year. Depending on how it goes, that may be something we bring back in future years. While your generosity is always appreciated, with no prize table, please leave donations and contributions at home, but bring your appetite for a great afternoon spent with your imaginary online friends.

Next, a NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a reply email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

That's it, people. Don't be a dork. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Highway Patrol!

This week's episode: Car Theft!

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Space Master X7!

Way better than Space Master X6!

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Cigar of the Week

This week our pal Diogenes sends us this excellent write-up on humidors.

We have had some great cigar reviews here on the Weasel's thread and I for one certainly appreciate them. I have discovered some great new sticks and I hope that some of my reviews have assisted others. And this brings me to my subject of the day. If you bother to check your credit card statement, you may discover the spending on cigars can, at times, be...ahhh...pricey. In order to protect these investments, it is necessary to store the news treasures properly. So, let's talk about humidors.
Buying a humidor requires balancing your collection size with storage conditions. Most vendors recommend purchasing a humidor capable of holding 20-30% more cigars than you currently own. This helps to ensure proper airflow. I just keep mine about 1/2 full and it works just fine. Standard wooden desktop options start around $150 to $300, but you can find some that are cheaper. Serious shoppers prepare for sticker shock. I've seen them as high as $5k. Yikes! You can also find electric/cabinet humidors and that regulate temperature and humidity and are good for greater numbers of cigars. These aren't for me as I typically buy just enough to enjoy over a few months, so I don't need something that fancy.
Here are some things to keep in mind when considering a humidor:
--Assuming you go for a wooden humidor, one thing you want to have is Spanish Cedar Lining. Any cedar will do, but this is the gold standard, and the wood is perfect for absorbing and releasing moisture.
--Use a Digital Hygrometer, not the analog (needle) version. The analog hygrometers are notorious for being inaccurate and I have found this to be true in each one I have owned. To track the temperature, just throw in a small thermometer. I keep my humidor at about 70% humidity and room temperature year-round.
--Ensure the humidor has a good seal. A weak seal will dry out your cigars. An easy way to check a wooden humidor is to do the dollar bill test. Close the lid on a dollar bill. If you can pull it out easily, the seal is too loose.
--If you purchase a wooden humidor you will want to season it before stocking it with your favorite smokes. Wipe the interior with distilled water, or use a high-RH Boveda pack. This prevents the wood from stealing the moisture from the cigars.
Lastly I clean mine once a year. Depending on where you live, mold could be a problem over time. Cleaning is simple and a great way to keep your cigars ready to enjoy.
The picture shows the three that I use frequently. The box is a typical office/desk style humidor. The travel case is handy, and this one is from Thompson Cigars. The small "single cigar" carrier is for the golf course. Pro Tip: DO NOT put this one in your carry-on bag if you fly. The TSA guys enjoy watching you drink the contents from the screw top side. ;-)
I hope this has been helpful. Enjoy.

Excellent, Diogenes! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 PIZZA!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:00 PM (nDgTL)

2 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes, 'rons, and Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 07:00 PM (xVpNO)

3 Comments seem not to be showing up for me.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 07:02 PM (xVpNO)

4 Hmmm, my comment disappeared

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:02 PM (nDgTL)

5 and just as soon as I post that, they're back

waves to Scoob

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 07:02 PM (xVpNO)

6 I think "Space Master X7" has Moe Howard in it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 31, 2026 07:04 PM (CHHv1)

7 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 31, 2026 07:04 PM (Ia/+0)

8 There it is!!!

Good evening Schnor!!

No range report, but I am gathering all the accoutrements necessary for the MiniMoMe happening this week.
I will be missing the first day's but will be there for what really matters, if anyone can hit that darn blue ram!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:05 PM (nDgTL)

9 Frinth!

Posted by: Eromero at May 31, 2026 07:07 PM (LHPAg)

10 Hello all, on our way to the magical NH castle...currently in upstate NY, unfortunately in the blue area - not the red area. Family duties tomorrow then continuing our trek...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 07:08 PM (wR7HR)

11 \Thanks, Diogenes, for the write up on humidors. Boveda packs are my friend.
Humidity here in Central WA has gotten as low as 8% so care must be taken.

Thanks, as always Weasel for the gun thread and for giving us cigar folk a place to listen and learn.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at May 31, 2026 07:08 PM (aDNTE)

12 A mini MoMe?! Nobody told me!

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:08 PM (8NNla)

13 12 A mini MoMe?! Nobody told me!

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:08 PM

Of course we didn't!! With your permanent record we have to be careful what we say around you. ;-)

@The Grateful. be careful to steer clear of the witch that inhabits that section of NY.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:11 PM (nDgTL)

14 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)

15 A mini MoMe?! Nobody told me!
Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:08 PM

I thought it was a MicroMiniMoMe.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)

16 14 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:11 PM

Hey RMBS!! You took your time getting here ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:13 PM (nDgTL)

17 Wei, my, my! Weather in Northern NH, highs of 76 to 81, and no precipitation. Light breeze from the west would put it going down range.
Need to hold a tad low.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:13 PM (8NNla)

18 Humidors? Here at Villa Gorilla, where the low humidity sucks the moisture from your body like a damp sponge thrown into an oven, I use acrylic apothecary-style jars and propylene glycol humidifier sticks to keep my cigars from turning into crispy torches.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 07:14 PM (aQEfL)

19 Wei, my, my! Weather in Northern NH, highs of 76 to 81, and no precipitation. Light breeze from the west would put it going down range.
Need to hold a tad low.
Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:13 PM

Soon....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

20 19 Wei, my, my! Weather in Northern NH, highs of 76 to 81, and no precipitation. Light breeze from the west would put it going down range.
Need to hold a tad low.
Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:13 PM

Soon....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:14 PM

Very soon.

Jealous of you folks that will be enjoying the things planned for Thursday.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:15 PM (nDgTL)

21 @The Grateful. be careful to steer clear of the witch that inhabits that section of NY.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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I know....will spend part of tomorrow at various cemeteries, where her voters exist in great numbers....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 07:17 PM (wR7HR)

22 Jealous of you folks that will be enjoying the things planned for Thursday.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:15 PM (nDgTL)

Don’t worry, Scoobs. It’s just a cigar orientation session. Need to see if they keep the black flies at bay.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:17 PM (8NNla)

23 Jealous of you folks that will be enjoying the things planned for Thursday.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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No need to be jealous, we would just be holding you back....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 07:18 PM (wR7HR)

24 Gunz!

And humidorz!

Thanks Diogenes, great humidor info.

I think about upgrading to a thermo-lectric humidor, but my situation is similar to yours. Storage mostly for near-term consumption, not doing any aging.

But I’ve opted for the “tupperdor” solution so far. High quality airtight plastic containers with Spanish cedar trays and blocks, Boveda humidity packs. Several different size containers. Cheap, adaptable, works perfectly.

Use 69% RH packs, experimenting in one tupperdor with 65%. Lots of guys and some industry types say often more flavor @65%.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:19 PM (Pp3EP)

25 I use acrylic apothecary-style jars and propylene glycol humidifier sticks to keep my cigars from turning into crispy torches.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 07:14 PM (aQEfL)

Are they rechargeable, or one-time use?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:20 PM (iERP6)

26 Don’t worry, Scoobs. It’s just a cigar orientation session. Need to see if they keep the black flies at bay.
Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:17 PM

Coincidentally, I went to a cigar and spirits night Friday, and I have a couple of fresh sticks to burn in NH.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:20 PM (Wnv9h)

27 Good evening to all the GunHorde and a big thanks to Weasel. Have a great week everyone and a great MoMe!

Posted by: Coelacanth at May 31, 2026 07:21 PM (U5d8P)

28 Jealous of you folks that will be enjoying the things planned for Thursday.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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No need to be jealous, we would just be holding you back....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 07:18 PM

You have seen him shoot, right?

*ducks*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:22 PM (Wnv9h)

29 And let’s not forget to mention our host, Grand Master Weasel, the Caller of Winds, who was the impetus for these shoots to begin with.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:23 PM (8NNla)

30 28 Jealous of you folks that will be enjoying the things planned for Thursday.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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No need to be jealous, we would just be holding you back....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 07:18 PM

You have seen him shoot, right?

*ducks*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:22 PM

And the shit talking starts :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:25 PM (nDgTL)

31 And Idaho Spudboy with another good storage option.

As usual climate considerations here are minimal, so that helps. I usually “dry box” a stick overnight before burning it to dry it just a bit below the 70ish% storage RH.

I haven’t bought a Boveda pack in years. Recharging them is easy. Friend of mine knows the Boveda owner but I haven’t shared my recharge tip with the friend yet. He’s loaded so wouldn’t bother with it anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:26 PM (Pp3EP)

32 Howdy 🤠🤠

Gonna shoot some guns, sometime in the next two weeks. My friend is a member of a sportsman club that has outdoor ranges. The nice thing is that this place is behind the middle of nowhere. Good spot. Also fishing and golfing is on the agenda.

Posted by: Puddleglum, chillin' in Amish Country at May 31, 2026 07:28 PM (bfy6w)

33 CBD will send my recharge technique to you if interested, or can post it here. Works for the packs, not sure about Idaho’s humidity tools.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:29 PM (Pp3EP)

34 Space Master X-7 (195

Paul Frees, Lyn Thomas, and Bill Williams
A fungus brought from space threatens to grow and spread, devouring everyone in its path.

I think I had that in the bathroom of an apartment I once rented. Lysol was effective.

Paul Frees: You've heard his voice at least. 374 credits as announcer, narrator, cartoon voice work, especially.
imdb.com/name/nm0293659/?ref_=tt_cst_t_4

And, yes, Moe Howard is in this, too.

Posted by: mindful webworker - humans become fuzzies at May 31, 2026 07:29 PM (kU8xu)

35 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: LIU at May 31, 2026 07:29 PM (BCwQW)

36 CBD will send my recharge technique to you if interested, or can post it here. Works for the packs, not sure about Idaho’s humidity tools.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:29 PM (Pp3EP)

Yes please. I enjoy cigars, but smoke them rarely, so storage is important!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:31 PM (iERP6)

37 Anyone burnin’ one now?

Gilberto Oliva Reserva Blanc corona here, on a perfect breezy day.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:31 PM (Pp3EP)

38 Are they rechargeable, or one-time use?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:20 PM (iERP6)

Humidifier sticks: I use ones I got from Amazon, which look like large test tubes. They come pre-loaded with PG crystals and you add distilled water to activate, then top off with water as needed. They have to stand upright, overwise they will spill goo.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 07:32 PM (aQEfL)

39 RI Red, I am bringing my portable gazebo to set up at the range if it is needed.
Shade if necessary.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:32 PM (nDgTL)

40 And the shit talking starts :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:25 PM

*looks at 16*

Hmm.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)

41 CBD will do once I’m back on the laptop.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:32 PM (Pp3EP)

42 40 And the shit talking starts :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:25 PM

*looks at 16*

Hmm.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:32 PM

Hmmm, not shooting related.. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:33 PM (nDgTL)

43 Didn't see Abbott and Costello on the train.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 31, 2026 07:34 PM (Cqx++)

44 Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:32 PM (Pp3EP)

👍

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:34 PM (iERP6)

45 Hmmm, not shooting related.. LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:33 PM

Is this the Gun Thread?

Why, yes...yes, it is.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)

46 Shot a tactical shotgun match this morning. As usual old school/basic for me, Mossberg 500. So not a bit tacticool. Fun match, not as much steel or poppers launching clays as sometimes though.

One guy had the mag-fed AK based shotgun from Palmetto State Armory. He used it well.

With a pump it’s basically a reloading contest more than shooting one, but fun.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:38 PM (Pp3EP)

47 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:38 PM (NlEaG)

48 On Amazon: "Humidor Humidifier Tubes Set Your Humidor to 70% Humidity"

In sealed jars, mine have lasted a couple of years with only occasional adding of water.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 07:38 PM (aQEfL)

49 Good evening all
Had a very productive session at the range. I went fully expecting to rent a Kimber CDS9 Classic and then purchase one. Blster brought SRA Blaster's model so I could compare the grips. First thing: if I bought it, I would need to put a sight on it. Then pulled out my G48 with Holosun and shot all 3. Whelp, I shoot perfectly with the G48. Barrel is only maybe 3/4 in longer and everything else the same. Why spend the money for CC if the Glock works. Decided to buy a holster a try it the next session.
Maybe buy a rifle instead.🤠

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 07:40 PM (kJmSS)

50 Today we went to the range. Some guy had the most AR-like semi-auto shotgun I have ever seen. Ed L. were watching it was going BOOM and it had this huge barrel like a suppressor and said that does not seem to be working well at all.

Cause it was a 12 gauge. He had it loaded with slugs. That poor target.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:41 PM (NlEaG)

51 Is the DMV MGC planning on a shoot after the NoVaMoMe this year?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:42 PM (Wnv9h)

52 That poor target.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:41 PM (NlEaG)

And his poor shoulder. Even out of a auto shotgun, slugs can really thump.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:42 PM (iERP6)

53 Howdy weasel!

Range report:
Shot really well. Trying to go faster. Like less than 1 shot per second (I know that’s slow). It’s fast for me.

I was happy with my performance.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (wined)

54 Gazebo is good, Scoobs. We’ve added overhead coverage to the range budget, but it will probably be up in the Fall.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (3A2L5)

55 How the heck did we get to the end of May? Seems I was shoveling snow last week. Starting to feel like Rip Van Winkle: take a nap and the season has changed.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (yTvNw)

56 As swa reports I convinced her not to buy a gun. Or at least not a particular gun. As we have been shooting sra blaster's CDS9 a good bit I have found it is a very good shooter at 10 yards and less.

While swa can shoot that thing like crazy with its dot, she can also shoot her G48 like crazy. I told her that should be her carry gun. Plus it has the advantage of being purple.

And so she can (as she said) spend the Kimber money on a rifle.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:44 PM (NlEaG)

57 45 Hmmm, not shooting related.. LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:33 PM

Is this the Gun Thread?

Why, yes...yes, it is.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:37 PM

Will the pressure get to you in your quest to get the ram with the time you have? :-)
We shall see....heh......heh.......heh

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:44 PM (nDgTL)

58 I keep a pad on my Mossy 500 so today’s event won’t result in too sore a shoulder. I can really tell the difference between these loads (standard velocity birdshot, number

and the reduced recoil LE defense rounds I keep for the apocalypse.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:46 PM (Pp3EP)

59 I was happy with my performance.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (wined)
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Nice! And excellent hash.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 07:47 PM (vt7xw)

60 Will the pressure get to you in your quest to get the ram with the time you have? :-)
We shall see....heh......heh.......heh
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:44 PM

Yes...yes, we shall. I have a new rifle to break in.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)

61 54 Gazebo is good, Scoobs. We’ve added overhead coverage to the range budget, but it will probably be up in the Fall.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM

Nice. I wonder if it will get as busy as it did last year?
Also, want to discuss becoming a member (as RMBS should too).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:47 PM (nDgTL)

62 I was happy with my performance.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (wined)
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Nice! And excellent hash.
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 07:47 PM

Damn...that is a fine hash.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:48 PM (Wnv9h)

63 Today we went to the range. Some guy had the most AR-like semi-auto shotgun I have ever seen. Ed L. were watching it was going BOOM and it had this huge barrel like a suppressor and said that does not seem to be working well at all.

Cause it was a 12 gauge. He had it loaded with slugs. That poor target.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:41 PM (NlEaG)

Sounds like an in-person testimonial that his suppressor wasn't suppressing his slugs much -- does that make sense?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 07:48 PM (xVpNO)

64 Like less than 1 shot per second (I know that’s slow). It’s fast for me.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (wined)

I am not sure that is slow. And if accurate, it is all you need.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:48 PM (iERP6)

65 Number ocho, that was. Acht. Vosyem. Tam.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:49 PM (Pp3EP)

66 Also, want to discuss becoming a member (as RMBS should too).
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:47 PM

Absolutely.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:49 PM (Wnv9h)

67 Ugh MORE THAN ONE SHOT PER SECOND.

whatever.

Mariners won in extra innings.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:50 PM (bzYW0)

68 Nurse, what CBD said. Accuracy. That rate of fire if accurate is all you could ever need. Don’t need Jerry Miculek numbers for any “practical” applications.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:51 PM (Pp3EP)

69 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex - uncool hash dino at May 31, 2026 07:52 PM (wR7HR)

70 Nurse, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
I think that’s how it goes.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:52 PM (rYvai)

71 And let’s not forget to mention our host, Grand Master Weasel, the Caller of Winds, who was the impetus for these shoots to begin with.
Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:23 PM

Caller of Winds >>>>> Breaker of Winds

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:52 PM (Wnv9h)

72 CBD,

I’ve seen you ping steel very very fast. Tingringtingtingting.

I didn’t tell you at the time. But, I was impressed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:53 PM (bzYW0)

73 reduced recoil LE defense rounds I keep for the apocalypse.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:46 PM (Pp3EP)

I have #2 buck for my pump gun, because I found it slightly more pleasant to shoot than the 00 Buck that everyone touts for self defense.

But reduced recoil sounds intriguing!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:53 PM (iERP6)

74 ****wonders what this hash that Weasel and RMBS are mentioning is****

Going to be logging off soon.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:53 PM (nDgTL)

75 RMBS, glad you asked. We would like to do it. Anyone who,is planning on being around on Sunday and would like to shoot, send me an email so I can figure out how many we lanes we would need. Let me know if it will be a first time so we can get you set up with the waivers. It was on the quiet side the last couple of times we've gone but you never know. We can provide some options if you don't have anything with you. Cost is minimal.stuff can be rented at the range like ears and eyes and ammo can be bought.
Would love to get to shoot with all of you again. Just let me know. Or Blaster.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 07:54 PM (kJmSS)

76 I’ve seen you ping steel very very fast. Tingringtingtingting.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:53 PM (bzYW0)

Heh...now I am trying to move back and forth between two targets 10+ feet away from each other.

That is humbling!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 07:56 PM (iERP6)

77 It’s so nice that, with this blog and thread, we have these little pockets of freedom all around the country.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:56 PM (rYvai)

78 Took my required CCH course yesterday. Now I'm heading down the Rabbit Hole where the perfect holsters and shirts abound.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 07:57 PM (rj6Yv)

79 At our DMV MGC session today, I brought some new firearms to zero. First up was the H&K VP9CC. This is the German version of the CC9. This pistol included a Vortex optic. I had difficulty zeroing the optic, but the pistol does shoot pretty good groups. Next up, a Colt AR-15A4 (20" barrel AR-15) with a 6X48 ACOG. I had better luck with this one, getting a zero in 20 rounds. Last up was the H&K MR762A4 "Assaulter," a .308 SBR with a 13" barrel, a Huxworks flow-through suppressor, and a 3.5X35 ACOG. With Blaster on the trigger, we got this rifle zeroed in 15 rounds with 5 more to confirm the zero from me. H&K guarantees 1 MOA out of these barrels and they're not kidding. Blaster got 4 out 5 overlapping holes on the final set of zero rounds. This rifle can definitely deliver the accuracy if you do your fundamentals like Weasel tells you to. Lesson learned for next time: Suppressed rifles should be shot first during a range session. The suppressor got too hot to touch after just 20 rounds total. It took at least 15-20 minutes of waiting just to let the suppressor cool down to case the rifle and suppressor (still attached) just to get it off the range and clear the lane.

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 07:57 PM (BCwQW)

80 CBD a few years back I did some half-a**ed research and reduced recoil #4 buck was the sweet spot for defensive purposes. I have a bunch of Hornady 00 low recoil LE stuff, couldn’t find #4 at the time. Any of these loads mentioned will be fine at self-defense range if, gawd forbid.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:57 PM (Pp3EP)

81 Sounds like an in-person testimonial that his suppressor wasn't suppressing his slugs much -- does that make sense?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 07:48 PM (xVpNO)

No, it wasn't a suppressor. It was just a big barrel. It may have been faux-integral-suppressed - but it was not, in any way, actually suppressed.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:58 PM (NlEaG)

82 71 And let’s not forget to mention our host, Grand Master Weasel, the Caller of Winds, who was the impetus for these shoots to begin with.
Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:23 PM

Caller of Winds >>>>> Breaker of Winds

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:52 PM

RMBS mentions the main reason he is off target, the windage he adds throws his aim off. Lay off the Mexican next time :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:58 PM (nDgTL)

83 74 ****wonders what this hash that Weasel and RMBS are mentioning is****

Going to be logging off soon.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:53 PM (nDgTL)

Probably this fermented masterpiece, which sadly has changed on nurse's subsequent posts:

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (wined)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM (xVpNO)

84 Last up was the H&K MR762A4 "Assaulter," a .308 SBR with a 13" barrel, a Huxworks flow-through suppressor, and a 3.5X35 ACOG.

This is a VERY nice rifle. An "Assaulter" That's a pretty cool name. It is good to havee friends like Ed L. because I would not otherwise get to shoot such exotica.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM (NlEaG)

85 Use 69% RH packs, experimenting in one tupperdor with 65%. Lots of guys and some industry types say often more flavor @65%.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:19 PM (Pp3EP)

My S-N-L went the tipper for route for awhile. Worked quite well for him.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM (2WIwB)

86 It’s so nice that, with this blog and thread, we have these little pockets of freedom all around the country.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:56 PM (rYvai)

After 250 years, America still has what it takes...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM (iERP6)

87 After 250 years, America still has what it takes...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM (iERP6)

We are so great we have FAKE Milli Vanilli.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:01 PM (NlEaG)

88 RMBS mentions the main reason he is off target, the windage he adds throws his aim off. Lay off the Mexican next time :-p
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:58 PM (nDgTL)

Mexican is not till Friday night, Scoobs.
Beer hall is Thursday.
Oh . . .

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 08:01 PM (rYvai)

89 No, it wasn't a suppressor. It was just a big barrel. It may have been faux-integral-suppressed - but it was not, in any way, actually suppressed.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 07:58 PM (NlEaG)

Gotcha. Thanks.

The question of what effect, if any, a suppressor would have on a 12ga slug arose in another forum. The answer remains sadly elusive.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 08:01 PM (xVpNO)

90 3 Comments seem not to be showing up for me.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 07:02 PM (xVpNO)

4 Hmmm, my comment disappeared
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:02 PM

I see them. Maybe ask your kid to go adjust the rabbit ears?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:01 PM (0sNs1)

91 My scattergun really liked the Federal light-recoil OO buck.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 08:02 PM (rj6Yv)

92 Ed L it looks like I will be getting a P7 (not the PSP, the other kind with “M” in the name, forget it now). Just for curiosity and giggles. As an H&K guru thought you might find that interesting.

The G91 I mentioned a ways back will be sold to a dealer, for reasons.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:02 PM (Pp3EP)

93 I have several larger Pelican cases leftover from my traveling w guns days which make excellent humidors!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:02 PM (vt7xw)

94 Humidifier sticks: I use ones I got from Amazon, which look like large test tubes. They come pre-loaded with PG crystals and you add distilled water to activate, then top off with water as needed. They have to stand upright, overwise they will spill goo.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

I've used those and never really lined them that much.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2026 08:02 PM (2WIwB)

95 The "Assaulter" was in ever way industrial grade. The mags were like bricks. Clearly combat ready. It has an ambi mag release that is jewel-like in precision - a lot of moving parts in it, machined just so.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:03 PM (NlEaG)

96 RMBS mentions the main reason he is off target, the windage he adds throws his aim off. Lay off the Mexican next time :-p
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 07:58 PM

Hey! We did Mexican *after* we shot last year.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM (Wnv9h)

97 I have several larger Pelican cases leftover from my traveling w guns days which make excellent humidors!
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:02 PM (vt7xw)
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Use one of 'em as a portable bar set.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM (rj6Yv)

98 Maybe watch an old Steve Reeves movie

Posted by: r hennigantx at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM (/+uur)

99 I was happy with my performance.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 07:43 PM (wined)
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You was a shooter with the slow hands...

Posted by: The Pointer Sisters at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM (2WIwB)

100 100

Posted by: r hennigantx at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM (/+uur)

101 Is the DMV MGC planning on a shoot after the NoVaMoMe this year?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 07:42 PM (Wnv9h)

If there's enough folks interested, yes. I can bring some fun stuff like my DeLisle Carbine reproduction, the suppressed Walther PPK, or B&T SPR 300 Pro.

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM (BCwQW)

102 The question of what effect, if any, a suppressor would have on a 12ga slug arose in another forum. The answer remains sadly elusive.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 31, 2026 08:01 PM (xVpNO)

Do you mean to tell me that No Country For Old Men was using artistic license?
I shan’t believe it.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 08:05 PM (rYvai)

103 Posted by: LIU at May 31, 2026 07:29 PM (BCwQW)
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Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:05 PM (vt7xw)

104 After 250 years, America still has what it takes...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM

'Merica, fukc yeah!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:05 PM (Wnv9h)

105 86 It’s so nice that, with this blog and thread, we have these little pockets of freedom all around the country.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 07:56 PM (rYvai)

After 250 years, America still has what it takes...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM

It may be just me, but I remember the fuss made about America's 200th birthday. Somehow I am not seeing the same thing for the 250th.

I remember Operation Sail and the tons of fireworks that July 4th. I have heard of no festivities this time. Guess when you elect communists into power they will down play the greatness that is the Country.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 08:06 PM (nDgTL)

106 Maybe watch an old Steve Reeves movie
Posted by: r hennigantx at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM

Well...we are pretty groovy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)

107 CBD a few years back I did some half-a**ed research and reduced recoil #4 buck was the sweet spot for defensive purposes.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:57 PM (Pp3EP)

I think I'll buy a box and see how it shoots. I have to function-fire my Mossberg anyway...the cartridge stop seems to be bent a bit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 08:08 PM (iERP6)

108 Maybe watch an old Steve Reeves movie
Posted by: r hennigantx at May 31, 2026 08:04 PM

Assuming we want something visual, that's not too abysmal?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:08 PM (0sNs1)

109 Would love to get to shoot with all of you again. Just let me know. Or Blaster.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 07:54 PM

I'm in. Don't know if the RMBS Mom will shoot, but she'll be there.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:09 PM (Wnv9h)

110 My S-N-L went the tipper for route for awhile. Worked quite well for him.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2026 08:00 PM

Tipper...tupper...whatever it takes.

Posted by: The Pointer Sisters at May 31, 2026 08:09 PM (2WIwB)

111 Sharon, Ed L

I would be very much interested in joining you guys on the Sunday after the MoMe.
May not be able to stay afterwards as I have to work the next day, thankfully will be working from home.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 08:09 PM (nDgTL)

112 I remember Operation Sail and the tons of fireworks that July 4th.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 08:06 PM (nDgTL)

Supposedly there is another ship parade down the Hudson.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2026 08:10 PM (iERP6)

113 Rhomboid - AJ Fernandez Ramon Allones tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:10 PM (vt7xw)

114 I would be very much interested in joining you guys on the Sunday after the MoMe.
May not be able to stay afterwards as I have to work the next day, thankfully will be working from home.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 08:09 PM

Do it!!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:10 PM (Wnv9h)

115 Have a good night everyone!!

Weasel, thanks as always, to bad we will not see you in NH.

Have a good night and a great week everyone!!!

Looking forward to see a bunch of you Thursday!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 31, 2026 08:12 PM (nDgTL)

116 See ya soon, Scoobs!

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 08:12 PM (rYvai)

117 Nite Scoob. All y'all have fun.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:12 PM (vt7xw)

118 Tupperdors really are an inexpensive, flexible, and effective storage method for cigars. The heavy-duty ziplocks Boveda sells are great too, especially for (car) travel.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:12 PM (Pp3EP)

119 This video:

http://alturl.com/68y3s

of a recreation of the suppressed 12 gauge from No Country For Old Men.

If you can deal with Micah Mayfield's hipsteriness.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:13 PM (NlEaG)

120 Little reason to use slugs unless defense against a bear or at distances greater than buckshot is good for a confirmed stop. Few of us need to breach doors and a slug fired indoors in traditional home construction is likely to go through several walls perhaps hitting something you don't want to hit.

Plus practice as CBD noted, is unpleasant even in gas guns but required more than ever if you are firing slugs because you have to learn both recoil control and recovery so you can fire another slug in timely fashion if you miss. Slugs take a noticeable time to recover and fire the next round, especially if you don't practice. Wise also to use every bit of recoil reduction (recoil absorbing stocks, mercury inserts in the butt, etc.)

For the most part, leave them to hunters and stick with buckshot. 00, 1, or even 4 are good enough for self defense against humans if they aren't wearing body armor or some such. 2 3/4 length shells are just fine too, you get a lot more recoil versus marginally improved stopping power if you go up to 3 or 3.5 inch length 12 gauge shells.

Xtra length is mainly for hunters outdoors because shotgun shell velocities drop quicker than rifle bullets.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:13 PM (E4rtv)

121 Anyone here talking about how things were at the Bicentennial, I think you may not actually be 29.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:14 PM (NlEaG)

122 Weasel that line is on my list to try, high on the list. Have a bunch of Karen Berger and Blackbird sticks to try (and hopefully review) first.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:15 PM (Pp3EP)

123 Ed L it looks like I will be getting a P7 (not the PSP, the other kind with “M” in the name, forget it now). Just for curiosity and giggles. As an H&K guru thought you might find that interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:02 PM (Pp3EP)

The P7M8, or the P7M13 (aka the Hans Gruber Special)?

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 08:15 PM (BCwQW)

124 For those with large storage humidors, I use small mason jars with sprouting lids and buy the humidification beads by the bag. Small digital thermometer/hygrometers are inexpensive on Amazon. You can even get them (Govee) with Bluetooth and monitor with hi/low alarms.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:17 PM (vt7xw)

125 102 The question of what effect, if any, a suppressor would have on a 12ga slug arose in another forum. The answer remains sadly elusive.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Shotgun suppressors drop noise about 20-25 db--from the 160's down to mebbe 140's. Still need muffs at that.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:17 PM (E4rtv)

126 Ed L think it’s an M-Eight, will check. Forgot ol’ Hans had a P7.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:18 PM (Pp3EP)

127 Do you mean to tell me that No Country For Old Men was using artistic license?
I shan’t believe it.
Posted by: RI Red

They make midget 12 gauge shot shells that would reduce the blast enough to mebbe make suppressors work a bit more. Also see handloading.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:19 PM (E4rtv)

128 Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:15 PM (Pp3EP)
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They're really good, but I ended up with a box of 48 ring gauge and just wish they were a little larger.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:19 PM (vt7xw)

129 123 Ed L it looks like I will be getting a P7 (not the PSP, the other kind with “M” in the name, forget it now). Just for curiosity and giggles. As an H&K guru thought you might find that interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid
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Treat the mags like gold. About 120 and up for a new old stock. Or you can suffer with promags.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:20 PM (E4rtv)

130 Can’t go wrong with AJ, Weasel, in my experience.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:21 PM (Pp3EP)

131 Also, last third seems a little peppery - almost partagas-like.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:21 PM (vt7xw)

132 That would be terrific Scubs. We could try and start a little earlier so people who need to get going can take off.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 08:21 PM (kJmSS)

133 whig the good news is there should be lots of mags for the P7.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:22 PM (Pp3EP)

134 121 Anyone here talking about how things were at the Bicentennial, I think you may not actually be 29.
Posted by: blaster

Arthur Fiedler, Boston Pops, July 4 1976.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-fGZzS2M1s

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:22 PM (E4rtv)

135 Stopped in at one of the local gun shops. Staring at me like a puppy in a pet shop window was a High Standard Sentinel revolver. I've had a couple of these over the years, liked them, so I gave this one a good home. Very accurate at approximately 25 yards. Stout but smooth double action, nice single action. The ergonomics are great on these, the designer putting a lot of thought into the grip angle (nearly replicating a Colt Navy). This one is a R107 series, late 60s vintage.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 31, 2026 08:23 PM (gm9Sb)

136 They make midget 12 gauge shot shells that would reduce the blast enough to mebbe make suppressors work a bit more. Also see handloading.
Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:19 PM (E4rtv)

Hey, whig!
I was fascinated by that shotgun suppressor, thinking that it couldn’t really work. I need to watch that scene, well, that movie, again.

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 08:23 PM (rYvai)

137 Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:21 PM (Pp3EP)
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Agreed! I have several boxes of Habanos Ramon Allones, unfortunately they're now too valuable to smoke!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:23 PM (vt7xw)

138 Holy carp, I hope grammie isn’t watching her Cubbies right now.

Jeepers.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 08:23 PM (V9k7L)

139 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 31, 2026 08:23 PM (gm9Sb)
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Nice!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:24 PM (vt7xw)

140 Big thing that video on the Liberator did for me was to make me want to look into how to machine one myself. Then work up to designing and building an action for a slightly more complicated pistol, etc.

I find the engineering of firearms to be fascinating.

Posted by: GWB at May 31, 2026 08:25 PM (kU0PQ)

141 Thompson Cigar used to have a series of cigar starter kits - ten premium cigars, cheap lighter, cheap cutter, cheap humidifier stick, and a small cheap humidor (not much bigger than a cigar box). I think they were about $40 bucks. Less than the cost of the cigar sampler themselves. Only one per purchaser though, and they kept records. I got one with Rocky Patel, one with Oliva, and another which the product line escapes me for now...

Picked up a cheap 16 bottle wine cooler from Home Despot. Three of those little humidors fit in it quite nicely. Bottom shelf has a wooden cigar box (too tight for the Thompson humidor).

The top temperature setting for the wine cooler is 65. For reds, I guess. Digital humidistat shows it holds 65-70% humidity and 65-70 degrees pretty well.

I think the wine cooler was like $50. Glass front, light, looks very classy on my work bench.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)

142 Weasel I wonder what, if Deus e todos os orixas quiseram (god willing), the odious gangsters running Cuba are gone soon, will happen with Habanos and the industry there. There’s a lot of problems with it now, imagine serious $$$ will be available to apply to the issue.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:28 PM (Pp3EP)

143 Heh...now I am trying to move back and forth between two targets 10+ feet away from each other.
That is humbling!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Hmmm, I might know someone who could give you some tips...🤔🧐

Posted by: lin-duh is offended at May 31, 2026 08:28 PM (VCgbV)

144 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)
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I have the same one on a table next to my desk!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:28 PM (vt7xw)

145 Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:28 PM (Pp3EP)
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I keep wondering the same thing. Fingers crossed!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:30 PM (vt7xw)

146 Alley Butcher, well done. Do you use humidification packs or anything?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:31 PM (Pp3EP)

147 Liberator pistols that come complete with the original box, comic book picture instructions, and wooden dowel (to clear empty casings) are serious collector items going for thousands today.

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 08:32 PM (BCwQW)

148 Revolvers for protection. Hot diggety! I say the stuff below since I'm not in combat, law enforcement, or even timed competition.

- If I need more than 5 or 6 rounds I'm screwed anyway. An extra 10 rounds won't help much.
- No failures to eject or stove pipes or worry about limp wristing if you get distracted when things go sideways. Pull the trigger on a revolver and it goes bang.
- If you can learn to use a DA revolver trigger, you can shoot anything.

From a handloading point of view:
- It's easier to load cartridges that space on a rim than on the case mouth that calls for a careful taper crimp.
- No concerns about having enough power to cycle the action. If the bullet clears the muzzle you're good for the next shot. And a lighter load may offer easier and faster shooting while still being lethal.
- Bullet shape doesn't matter since there is no feed ramp to consider.

Not that I have an opinion or anything.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 08:33 PM (yTvNw)

149 Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 08:33 PM (yTvNw)
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One bazillion percent this!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:34 PM (vt7xw)

150 Agreed! I have several boxes of Habanos Ramon Allones, unfortunately they're now too valuable to smoke!
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:23 PM

I've got a nice CAO and a Rocky Patel for NH. Can't go too far wrong.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:34 PM (Wnv9h)

151 The late Louis Awerbuck is an acknowledged expert in the combat shotgun (and if you're interested in defensive shotgun usage, and you don't know who he is, you should).

Here is an excerpt of his on shotgun ammo:

https://tinyurl.com/2v4z2bb8

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)

152 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 08:34 PM (Wnv9h)
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Fire one up in the diner!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:35 PM (vt7xw)

153 I have the same one on a table next to my desk!
Posted by: Weasel

The only 'trick' with it that I have is I consolidate the cigars into two or three boxes every now and then and introduce new cigars into the empty box. Keeps the possibly dry(er) new cigars from sucking moisture from the ones that have rested for a bit.

I rarely have any of the flavored cigars (herbal or coffee) so they don't seem to mind commingling a bit.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:35 PM (/lPRQ)

154 Ditto to JTB’s revolver comments. I like wheelguns.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:36 PM (Pp3EP)

155 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:35 PM (/lPRQ)
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My only real complaint is when the power goes off it resets to 54F.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:37 PM (vt7xw)

156 Evening, gun and cigar aficionados!

I'm primarily a pipe smoker, as JTB and other pipers here know. But I have tried some of the small cigars or cigarillos from Romeo y Julieta. Real cigar whizzes would probably laugh. But they are good for a quick smoke when you don't have a lot of time. And, if you so decide, you can break up one of the little sticks into a pipe blend, such as an English with latakia, to give it a bit more strength. There are pipe blends available that feature cigar leaf as an ingredient, after all.

I cannot imagine smoking a real, full-size cigar. Especially not at the prices for a whole box now -- or even for a single cigar.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:38 PM (wzUl9)

157 My only real complaint is when the power goes off it resets to 54F.
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:37 PM (vt7xw)

Weasel does a FWP thread: Cold tobacco!

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:39 PM (zZu0s)

158 Treat the mags like gold. About 120 and up for a new old stock. Or you can suffer with promags.
Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 08:20 PM (E4rtv)

Whig's not kidding. I purchased a P7 PSP (German police surplus) a few years back, liked shooting in, and immediately began looking for extra magazines. Pretty much any P7 magazine variant is super scarce and expensive IF you can even find them. I ended up buying another P7 PSP for $3k off of Gunbroker because it came with four magazines. This price was only a bit more than what it would have cost to buy the magazines alone.

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 08:39 PM (BCwQW)

159 Especially not at the prices for a whole box now -- or even for a single cigar.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:38 PM (wzUl9)
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The price of my daily smoke brand went up to almost $3 each!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:40 PM (vt7xw)

160 80 CBD a few years back I did some half-a**ed research and reduced recoil #4 buck was the sweet spot for defensive purposes. I have a bunch of Hornady 00 low recoil LE stuff, couldn’t find #4 at the time. Any of these loads mentioned will be fine at self-defense range if, gawd forbid.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 07:57 PM (Pp3EP)
That's a turkey load, it's loaded in my home defense gun Mossberg 590. No turkey better come in my house.

Posted by: Eromero at May 31, 2026 08:41 PM (LHPAg)

161 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:42 PM (xcxpd)

162 Last week I talked about the 1911 slide and barrel combo that cdnnsports.com has for $150. My intention is to turn an out-dated, much modified competition gun back into a service pistol.

The parts arrived yesterday. They look nicely machined and the barrel fits the slide with no problems. Alas, the slide was not a drop in fit onto my frame and will need some work to get it to fit.

Fortunately, I might have another 1911 or two about the house to tide me over until I get this one working.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 08:42 PM (UNIfT)

163 Weasel does a FWP thread: Cold tobacco!
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:39 PM (zZu0s)
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I really should probably just unplug the thing so the refrigerator function doesn't dry them out unnecessarily, even with the humidification solutions I use.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:42 PM (vt7xw)

164 Federal lists #4 buck low-recoil in 12 ga. Finding it may prove ... challenging.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:42 PM (0sNs1)

165 No turkey better come in my house.
Posted by: Eromero at May 31, 2026 08:41 PM (LHPAg)

Otoh, free turkey.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:43 PM (zZu0s)

166 And I've often thought that a revolver would suit me better, both as a defensive weapon and as a hobby, than an automatic. I love the way automatics look. But there is something so utterly simple about "load the rounds in the cylinder, snap it shut, aim, squeeze the trigger (or cock the hammer and squeeze the trigger)" that appeals to me.

I have a sneaking desire for a Colt Single Action Army clone. Not a concealed carry weapon at all, no, but a classic.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:43 PM (wzUl9)

167 So, took my G17 out after the last few weeks...unsatisfying G19 tests. Basically my G19 got stippled and it its very grippy but it's not ideal with iron sights at least for CQB drills. Dunno what's the problem there, yet.

But the G17 I have with the Romeo 1 red dot? It fucks.

It fucks hard.

Seriously, I don't think I need any other pistol. Light, comfortable and it did REALLY well on my dot torture drills.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:44 PM (xcxpd)

168 Alley Butcher, well done. Do you use humidification packs or anything?
Posted by: rhomboid

Bottom of the wine cooler I put a couple of the cheap humidifier sticks. I put those in wet... could use a wet sponge for the same effect. The humistat stays fairly constant. If it drops you can bet the sticks got dry.

In the small humidors I have the sticks (moist, not wet) and a Boveda type pack. I noticed that the Boveda packs swell or shrink. If I put a wet stick in there the packs seem to absorb the moisture. I don't like that so only put moist sticks in and then the packs don't seem to grow or shrink much. I look at it the packs are a humidity buffer.

Also, I'm using only distilled water.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:44 PM (/lPRQ)

169 164 Federal lists #4 buck low-recoil in 12 ga. Finding it may prove ... challenging.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:42 PM (0sNs1)

No kidding. Same with the flite-control loads. Hard to find and expensive. But if you're going to fight with a shotty, that's the load.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:45 PM (xcxpd)

170 Oh also - last week we were on blaster acres. We located an area that will make for a good handgun range, 25 yards. There is a small 10-12 foot elevation change on the property that creates a real live berm and a part that is actually kid of cleared out already. It's like it was made to be a range. So that was good. But we were too busy farming to actually shoot.

Took an AR15 pistol with Super Safety to shoot there and we didn't end up shooting. BUT - my neighbor has a container with climate control and locks and its like a big walkin safe and offered us a place to store stuff ex-filled from VA.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:45 PM (NlEaG)

171 Seriously, I don't think I need any other pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:44 PM

I recognize each of those words, but do not understand them in this order.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:45 PM (0sNs1)

172 I really should probably just unplug the thing so the refrigerator function doesn't dry them out unnecessarily, even with the humidification solutions I use.
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:42 PM (vt7xw)

You could get a relatively inexpensive ups (uninterrupted power source) for the humidor (or go more expensive and run more things off it.) I dunno though, don't fridges pull a lot of juice?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:46 PM (zZu0s)

173
The price of my daily smoke brand went up to almost $3 each!
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026

***
If each bowl of pipe tobacco I smoke ran $3.00, I'd be horrified. A 1.75 oz. tin of pipe weed runs about $15-20, and it takes quite a few bowls to empty it depending on the size of your pipes. There is also bulk tobacco available that runs between $5-6 an ounce.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:47 PM (wzUl9)

174 My only real complaint is when the power goes off it resets to 54F.

Posted by: Weasel

We might have the exact same wine cooler.
Our power went down last night and I had to go the shop and reset it.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:47 PM (/lPRQ)

175 Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:46 PM (zZu0s)
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This has to have a teensy compressor and I keep the house around 70-72F so I think I might go unplugged.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:47 PM (vt7xw)

176 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:47 PM (wzUl9)
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I should start smoking a pipe!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:49 PM (vt7xw)

177 Took an AR15 pistol with Super Safety to shoot there and we didn't end up shooting. BUT - my neighbor has a container with climate control and locks and its like a big walkin safe and offered us a place to store stuff ex-filled from VA.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat
************
That is good news...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 08:49 PM (wR7HR)

178 Gotta make the wife some food...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 31, 2026 08:50 PM (/lPRQ)

179 Exactly what Duncan and MAE said re certain shotgun loads.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 08:50 PM (Pp3EP)

180 Same with the flite-control loads. Hard to find and expensive. But if you're going to fight with a shotty, that's the load.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:45 PM

Local cop-shop had police turn-ins of that. $3.49/box of 5.

I was going to pass it up, but then, almost mystically, the visage of Weasel began to coalesce above me, and I remembered his weekly exhortation to buy ammo. I did not want to disappoint Weasel.

It shoots well in a 590-A1.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:50 PM (0sNs1)

181 That is good news...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 08:49 PM (wR7HR)

It is indeed. Good fences make good neighbors or something like that.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:51 PM (NlEaG)

182 156 ... Wolfus,
If you can find it, try the 2026 release of Eight State Burley. The combination of the burleys, Virginias, and orientals gives a medium strength, slightly sweet flavor. Good for slow puffing. And it pairs well with iced coffee. Haven't tried it with any adult beverages. Yet.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 08:51 PM (yTvNw)

183 Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:50 PM (0sNs1)
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Visage of Weasel? Sounds like a nightmare!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:52 PM (vt7xw)

184 Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 08:33 PM (yTvNw)

I rise in dispute.

I won't argue handloading, there you are very likely correct. Revolvers, not having a slide and recoil spring to worry about, or feed ramps, have more latitude available. I'd stick to Rugers though unless you are very good at loading to SAMI guide.

That said, they are inferior to automatics except in narrow exceptions. Recoil is greater out of revolver. Bulk is greater. Capacity is lower. Reloads are slower. You can talk about settling problems with 6 rounds or less but considering that we are training for what is likely an unusual scenario to begin with, best to be ready for the worst case, not best case. Trigger pull is usually worse, unless thumb-cocking, which means accuracy is worse and that's a problem.

A revolver is better than nothing. It is also lethal. But automatics are better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:52 PM (xcxpd)

185 Local cop-shop had police turn-ins of that. $3.49/box of 5.

I was going to pass it up, but then, almost mystically, the visage of Weasel began to coalesce above me, and I remembered his weekly exhortation to buy ammo. I did not want to disappoint Weasel.

It shoots well in a 590-A1.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:50 PM (0sNs1)

You have chosen the path of Wisdom

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:53 PM (xcxpd)

186 ----
I should start smoking a pipe!
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026

***
It's still the cheapest way to consume terbacky. Like cigars and unlike the white sticks, you don't inhale. You can spend lots on a pipe, or you can get a good "basket" pipe at a real tobacconist that will serve you as well. Or you can try a corncob pipe!

I kept my pipes for many years after I stopped smoking them because they are beautiful sculptures in briar wood, like tiny bits of fine furniture.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:53 PM (wzUl9)

187 Mark,
That was the cleanest Dot Torture I’ve seen you shoot.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 08:53 PM (jc8En)

188 171 Seriously, I don't think I need any other pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:44 PM

I recognize each of those words, but do not understand them in this order.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 08:45 PM (0sNs1)

I understand. I have near to 100 tools. And honestly...most of them don't get shot. The G17, once again, performed really great at the range. Easy to carry, easy to shoot with the red dot.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:55 PM (xcxpd)

189 If you can find it, try the 2026 release of Eight State Burley. The combination of the burleys, Virginias, and orientals gives a medium strength, slightly sweet flavor. Good for slow puffing. And it pairs well with iced coffee. Haven't tried it with any adult beverages. Yet.
Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026

***
I think I saw a tin of that at my local cigar/pipe shop a few weeks ago. Probably gone now. They have a large selection of Peterson blends, some Rattray$$, and a modest number of Cornell & Diehls.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:55 PM (wzUl9)

190 I have never fired a shotgun indoors and while it may be good for the purpose, I would think it would be... unpleasant to fire inside. Even with hearing protection.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:56 PM (zZu0s)

191 I have a sneaking desire for a Colt Single Action Army clone.

No need to sneak. We let our freak flags fly here. At least as far as guns are concerned.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 31, 2026 08:58 PM (vTZFs)

192 190 I have never fired a shotgun indoors and while it may be good for the purpose, I would think it would be... unpleasant to fire inside. Even with hearing protection.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 08:56 PM (zZu0s)

Yes. It's MUCH worse though on the other end of the shotgun, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)

193 187 Mark,
That was the cleanest Dot Torture I’ve seen you shoot.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 31, 2026 08:53 PM (jc8En)

I've done better! But that was a really good day. Great groups and ran that cold.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)

194 Things that lie at the bottom of my creek that are NOT legal after July 1. (I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, yada yada)

3d printed Glock 19. Near as I can tell from the law, this is not grandfathered and not legal AT ALL in Virginia after July 1.

Four AR-15s. Legal to own. Not legal to have "on or about one's person" in any place "open to the public." They say this is meant to be anti-open carry. Read the words.

PSA Dagger with a threaded barrel. That makes it, under the law, an "assault firearm." (their term) And that makes it subject to the on or about one's person law.

Two Extar Ep-9s. As a large format pistol with threaded barrel it is also an "assault firearm."

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 08:59 PM (NlEaG)

195 The best I could find for 12 ga #4 buckshot with "managed recoil was this item:

Remington Ultimate Defense Managed-Recoil 12 Gauge Ammo 2-3/4" #4 Buckshot 21 Pellets Box of 5

at MidwayUSA.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 09:00 PM (rj6Yv)

196 So, took my G17 out after the last few weeks...unsatisfying G19 tests. Basically my G19 got stippled and it its very grippy but it's not ideal with iron sights at least for CQB drills. Dunno what's the problem there, yet.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 08:44 PM (xcxpd)

Glock does offer a Gen 6 Glock 19 that comes with an Aimpoint PRO that's set into the slide itself. It won't be cheap (the Aimpoint PRO alone goes for around $700), but, it might improve your work with a Glock 19.

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 09:00 PM (BCwQW)

197 Wolfus, depends on the stick and the smoker, but a robusto rarely lasts me much less than an hour. And I generally manage very low cost for cigars, with some effort. A $15 stick in a store can be found for $5 online in many cases.

I have a small briar and a nice Haym Pinhas meerschaum from Istanbul (simple carving, bowl-shaped, grapes) that I do still use a few times in winter. Here, winter is more of an idea, sort of like Antifa to the late ridiculous FBI director Wray. But I still get them out a bit.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 09:00 PM (U/Byj)

198

"Four AR-15s. Legal to own. Not legal to have "on or about one's person" in any place "open to the public." They say this is meant to be anti-open carry. Read the words."

So you can never take them to a public range?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 31, 2026 09:01 PM (zZu0s)

199 Remington Ultimate Defense Managed-Recoil 12 Gauge Ammo 2-3/4" #4 Buckshot 21 Pellets Box of 5

at MidwayUSA.
Posted by: mrp

Yep. Worth it. Remington's lead is a bit softer than Federal's.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:01 PM (E4rtv)

200 Blaster,
What capacity are your SIG mags?

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (wR7HR)

201 If I started smoking a pipe, I'm pretty sure I'd end up with a pipe collection, and WeaselWoman would divorce, then kill me.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (DJPFk)

202 MAE, feel,the exact same way about my G48 with green dot. It just fits my hand and hits the target. Going to try it from a holster next time.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (kJmSS)

203 I really didn't keep looking for #4 buck after I bought a bunch of Hornady LE stuff (and some reduced recoil Royal, Spanish stuff, mostly slugs).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (U/Byj)

204 A follow up to my comments about revolvers, strictly from my personal preferences.

I enjoy shooting the Ruger Mark II competition model, the CZ75b, and GI-style 45. But the history of revolvers is richer, from Colt black powder percussion guns to Smith K frames to Ruger Blackhawks. Add in the versatility for ammo that revolvers offer and they always have a place in my heart.

And I don't have to pick up the brass. (The ground gets further away each year.)

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 09:03 PM (yTvNw)

205 So, to answer an issue from the food thread, I used an air fryer to cook a couple of large thighs, using the Marion-Kay breading and an egg/milk wash. 400 F for 25 minutes.

They turned out great. Not KFC, but still, really good.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 31, 2026 09:03 PM (qFwJc)

206 Going to try it from a holster next time.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (kJmSS)
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Take it out of the holster first.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:03 PM (DJPFk)

207 Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 31, 2026 09:04 PM (qFwJc)

208 190 I have never fired a shotgun indoors and while it may be good for the purpose, I would think it would be... unpleasant to fire inside. Even with hearing protection.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

You fire any gun indoors and it is unpleasant without muffs and plugs. And even a single time will damage your hearing to some extent. Even the humble 9mm 159-165 db. Comparable to a jet engine on takeoff.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:04 PM (E4rtv)

209 Remington Ultimate Defense Managed-Recoil 12 Gauge Ammo 2-3/4" #4 Buckshot 21 Pellets Box of 5

at MidwayUSA.
Posted by: mrp

Yep. Worth it. Remington's lead is a bit softer than Federal's.
Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:01 PM (E4rtv)
=======

Listed at 1200 fps muzzle velocity. Whether that's manageable, YMMV.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 09:05 PM (rj6Yv)

210 202 MAE, feel,the exact same way about my G48 with green dot. It just fits my hand and hits the target. Going to try it from a holster next time.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (kJmSS)

#DoIt

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 09:06 PM (xcxpd)

211 Glock does offer a Gen 6 Glock 19 that comes with an Aimpoint PRO that's set into the slide itself. It won't be cheap (the Aimpoint PRO alone goes for around $700), but, it might improve your work with a Glock 19.
Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 09:00 PM (BCwQW)

I just don't have the money to buy into the Glock Gen 6. I want to but I'm not making the money I used to. And...I have a LOT of guns already.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 31, 2026 09:07 PM (xcxpd)

212 So, to answer an issue from the food thread, I used an air fryer to cook a couple of large thighs, using the Marion-Kay breading and an egg/milk wash. 400 F for 25 minutes.

They turned out great. Not KFC, but still, really good.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 31, 2026 09:03 PM (qFwJc)
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That's how I cook mine. Either dredged in a chicken fry mix, or nikkid with a decent sprinkle of Kickin' Chicken from Weber.

If you use a disposable air fryer liner, you can use a marinade or a bbq sauce.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 09:08 PM (rj6Yv)

213 Couldn't get out to make bangs this week, so I ordered up another 2k M27 links, another 200 round nutsack, and an upgrade package for my M27 progressive linker.

I will be oh so ready when the last parts for my belt fed 5.56 project get here in June.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at May 31, 2026 09:08 PM (U2++c)

214 I have a sneaking desire for a Colt Single Action Army clone. Not a concealed carry weapon at all, no, but a classic.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:43 PM (wzUl9)

Uberti is probably the best known and most widely available producer of Colt SAA clones. Go with a clone if you want to shoot an SAA a lot. But there's nothing wrong with paying extra to get an actual modern production Colt either. Just that the Uberti's are a lot cheaper if you want to shoot it a lot.

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 09:09 PM (BCwQW)

215 I have a sneaking desire for a Colt Single Action Army clone. Not a concealed carry weapon at all, no, but a classic.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 08:43 PM (wzUl9)

Most recent addition to laager de blaster. I got a Pietta Copper Canyon 4.75 in barrel in .38/.357 with a 9mm cylinder, too. Copper Canyon has brass trigger and a case hardened receiver.

I think I scored it all for less than $500 shippped. It is old school no bar safety (it has a safety of sorts with the cylinder pin but I wouldn't use it.)

I like it.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 09:09 PM (NlEaG)

216 Weasel, time for me to sign off for the night. Thanks for hosting!

Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 09:11 PM (BCwQW)

217 Posted by: Ed L at May 31, 2026 09:11 PM (BCwQW)
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You bet! Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:11 PM (DJPFk)

218 I could get a commemorative model of a Smith 25-3, but actually prefer a 4-inch barrel to a 6-inch. Do intend to get a 45 Colt revolver to go with the Uberti 1866 repro, but certainly didn't have a 25 in mind. And I intend to shoot whatever I get of course. Ed L mentioned previously that many of the commemorative models don't appreciate greatly over time, so, maybe selling the 25-3 and getting a Blackhawk or a Vaquero (or Uberti) is the call here.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026 09:12 PM (U/Byj)

219 Time for me to sign off. Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel.

I'll see some of you in a few days!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 09:12 PM (Wnv9h)

220 200 Blaster,
What capacity are your SIG mags?
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 09:02 PM (wR7HR)

Depends - 15-21 rounds.

Mags are grandfathered. A pistol with >15 round mags is not an assault firearm without one of the other features like a threaded barrel

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026 09:13 PM (NlEaG)

221 Need a no kidding EDC gunbelt? The Beltman is having a clearance sale on returns/blems:

thebeltman.net/collections/clearance-belts

Read the sizing instructions before you order, as the belt sizes don't match pants sizes.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 09:13 PM (UNIfT)

222 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 31, 2026 09:12 PM (Wnv9h)
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Nite, bro. Have a good time!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:13 PM (DJPFk)

223 164 Federal lists #4 buck low-recoil in 12 ga. Finding it may prove ... challenging.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Specialty load. Hard enough to find #1 buck shot. Midway has some Fiochi in that. But looking up buckshot, apparently Federal makes a low recoil 1/3/4 inch shotshell with 00 buck designed to fragment. Probably a pump gun only load but interesting none the less.

"Federal Premium Personal Defense Ammunition is designed just for personal protection. Turn your shotgun into the ultimate defensive platform with Force X2 from Federal Premium. Its copper-plated 00 FX2 buckshot pellets are specially engineered to split into two equal-size pieces on impact. This creates twice as many wound channels, improves the transfer of energy from the payload to the target, and minimizes the potential for over-penetration, reducing the risk to bystanders. Force X2 is also loaded for more manageable recoil, allowing the shooter to stay on target for faster follow-ups and better accuracy in a self-defense situation."

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:14 PM (E4rtv)

224 OK, 9:15 thank you time.

Thank you!

Hope to see all y'all next Sunday!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:15 PM (DJPFk)

225 Most recent addition to laager de blaster. I got a Pietta Copper Canyon 4.75 in barrel in .38/.357 with a 9mm cylinder, too. Copper Canyon has brass trigger and a case hardened receiver.

I think I scored it all for less than $500 shippped. It is old school no bar safety (it has a safety of sorts with the cylinder pin but I wouldn't use it.)

I like it.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at May 31, 2026

***
Three choices of caliber -- three guns in one!

A beautifully trimmed gun as well.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 09:17 PM (wzUl9)

226 The belt man makes great belts! We have several.

Posted by: lin-duh is offended at May 31, 2026 09:17 PM (VCgbV)

227 I'm out too.
Have a great week all.
Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 09:17 PM (kJmSS)

228 I'm a fan of BullhideBelts.com

They also make custom leather holsters.

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 09:18 PM (rj6Yv)

229 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 31, 2026 09:17 PM (kJmSS)
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Happy to do it. Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:18 PM (DJPFk)

230 214 I have a sneaking desire for a Colt Single Action Army clone. Not a concealed carry weapon at all, no, but a classic.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Get one with a transfer bar safety. Dealing with the SAA without one requires substantial practice in loading, and firing. A Blackhawk or a Vacquero if you want fancy from Ruger are more versatile and better built firearms while greatly resembling the SAA at a close look.

If you want an understudy in 22 LR, you can get the Double Nine used High Standard which is a double action that looks to be single. Ruger and others like Heritage make some true Single Action 22 LRs that are fun enough to handle and shoot.

Unless you have a particularly hankering for 45 Colt, I suggest getting a 38 Special/357 Magnum version of the SAA real or clone. Much cheaper to shoot and far easier to obtain ammo unless you look to get into reloading.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:19 PM (E4rtv)

231 Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 09:19 PM (rj6Yv)

232 Thanks for the thread Weasel and commenters. Best time of the week to set aside the world, politics, and society and talk about firearms.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:20 PM (E4rtv)

233 Wolfus, depends on the stick and the smoker, but a robusto rarely lasts me much less than an hour. And I generally manage very low cost for cigars, with some effort. A $15 stick in a store can be found for $5 online in many cases.

I have a small briar and a nice Haym Pinhas meerschaum from Istanbul (simple carving, bowl-shaped, grapes) that I do still use a few times in winter. Here, winter is more of an idea, sort of like Antifa to the late ridiculous FBI director Wray. But I still get them out a bit.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2026

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I'm a nicotine lightweight. An hour with a cigar would be too much for me. My pipe sessions tend to run 30-40 minutes at the outside, with breaks, and I still have to be careful about loading too much of a strong blend into the bowl

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 09:21 PM (wzUl9)

234 Thanks, Grand Master.
We shall report back!

Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 09:21 PM (rYvai)

235 Visage of Weasel? Sounds like a nightmare!
Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 08:52 PM

Well, it did have a slight scowl, but smiled and quickly dissipated as I made the correct decision.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 09:23 PM (0sNs1)

236 If you want an understudy in 22 LR, you can get the Double Nine used High Standard which is a double action that looks to be single. Ruger and others like Heritage make some true Single Action 22 LRs that are fun enough to handle and shoot.

Unless you have a particularly hankering for 45 Colt, I suggest getting a 38 Special/357 Magnum version of the SAA real or clone. Much cheaper to shoot and far easier to obtain ammo unless you look to get into reloading.
Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026

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Back in the '80s I had a Ruger Single-Six, the model that could shoot .22 LR, .22 short, and with a swap of cylinder, the .22 Magnum round. Grand gun; I'm sorry I sold it.

Yes, a .38/.357 or 9mm SAA would be much more sensible for target practice. I love the look of the gun (hey, I grew up on TV Westerns), but I'm not determined to have an actual Colt or to have it in .45.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 09:24 PM (wzUl9)

237 Posted by: mrp at May 31, 2026 09:19 PM (rj6Yv)
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You're welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:25 PM (vt7xw)

238 Posted by: RI Red at May 31, 2026 09:21 PM (rYvai)
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Have a great time!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:25 PM (vt7xw)

239 Well, it did have a slight scowl, but smiled and quickly dissipated as I made the correct decision.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 31, 2026 09:23 PM (0sNs1)
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Good man!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:27 PM (vt7xw)

240 The safari hunting writer Peter Hathaway Capstick recommend using #1 Buck instead of 00 Buck when tracking wounded leopards through brush. His reasoning was #1 shells had more pellets and the pellets were almost as big as the 00 ones.

I had occasion to use the #1 load once. Not on a leopard. I found it to be quite effective.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 31, 2026 09:27 PM (UNIfT)

241 A revolver is better than nothing. It is also lethal. But automatics are better.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Eternal argument. Personally, if you don't spend time training or maintaining firearms, get a revolver just for self defense. Semi automatics require more care as do their ammo and magazines plus you have to be prepared to handle malfunctions. Revolvers, if they have a substantial malfunction not related to ammo, then you throw it at the critter and run. Kind of like a jammed shotgun in that respect.

But if one gets a firearm and shoves it in a drawer for a couple of years with no training, you are more likely to be able to fire it successfully at bad breath range even you have green verdigris on the cases.

And on the other hand, if one is hunting, revolvers again are better than semi autos--more accurate at a distance, even an old K Frame with a lot of years will outshoot all but match semi automatics, and for the most part, if you truly want to bring down dinosaurs (or grizzlies), only a revolver will do it. For a grizzly bear, even a 10mm begins to look puny.

For people with a modicum of practice, responsible enough maintain it. then semi auto for sure.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:29 PM (E4rtv)

242 240 The safari hunting writer Peter Hathaway Capstick recommend using #1 Buck instead of 00 Buck when tracking wounded leopards through brush. His reasoning was #1 shells had more pellets and the pellets were almost as big as the 00 ones.

I had occasion to use the #1 load once. Not on a leopard. I found it to be quite effective.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Not a fan of Capstick for the obvious reasons but others have claimed virtues for the #1 and you get a few more pellets than reduced 00 buckshot (usually 9). Not that many load it anymore except at hunting season though.

But, of all the shotshell loadings, buck shot and slug loads are some of the easiest to do and where you get some of the best cost savings from.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:34 PM (E4rtv)

243 184 ... "they [revolvers] are inferior to automatics except in narrow exceptions. Recoil is greater out of revolver. Bulk is greater. Capacity is lower. Reloads are slower. You can talk about settling problems with 6 rounds or less but considering that we are training for what is likely an unusual scenario to begin with, best to be ready for the worst case, not best case."

MAE,
Most of your points are correct and I considered them when I decided on a revolver for protection. I don't find revolver recoil greater than a comparable power semi. I don't feel a double stack semi is much less bulky than a snubby revolver, at least not for pocket carry. I compromised by planning for the more likely scenario, not the worst case, aware it was a compromise.

A real consideration was Mrs. JTB. She is small and lacks hand strength and neither of us is getting younger. Racking a slide can be a problem. I know there are techniques to compensate but they add another level of complexity in a stressful situation. She can handle a DA trigger much easier and is more comfortable with that setup. Also, semi recoil has more muzzle flip than most revolvers and that gives her more trouble.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 09:35 PM (yTvNw)

244 Yes, a .38/.357 or 9mm SAA would be much more sensible for target practice. I love the look of the gun (hey, I grew up on TV Westerns), but I'm not determined to have an actual Colt or to have it in .45.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

45 Ammo is obscenely priced. Last time I checked, about 1 buck per round for a box of 50 if you could find it. Well worth reloading and not hard to do whenever we don't have some crisis going on. Single six is a good gun but prices have really went up. Ruger came out with a cheaper made single action 22 LR to compete with Heritage (Taurus owns them now).

The old Double 9 from High Standard dates from the late 50's to early 70's or so. Looks like an old cowboy SAA but really a double action with some neat features like recessed and chamfered cylinders so the case rims are fully surrounded. They also have a notch in the cylinder so you can dry fire them sparingly without that much worry.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:38 PM (E4rtv)

245 Mags are grandfathered. A pistol with >15 round mags is not an assault firearm without one of the other features like a threaded barrel

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat
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Agreed. As I read this legislation, they are grandfathered if you are going to the range. NOT as EDC.

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 31, 2026 09:40 PM (wR7HR)

246 Popped some Ancient Heirloom popcorn and watched Space Master X-7. The title covered about the first five minutes and then the rocket was forgotten. It should have been called The Burping Slime or something.

The special effects were… economical. The scenes of people driving, flying, walking, helped make the 1hr10m runtime seem much longer. The conclusion was disappointing, like they just said, end it here. The slime did not take over the world or cause mass casualties.

But Moe Howard in a minor role as the taxi driver turned in a powerful performance and really saved the whole film. Oscar-worthy. And the popcorns were small but tasty, with butter, salt, and curry powder.

Geez louise, Weasel, do you watch these things before linking them?

Posted by: mindful webworker - the one stooge at May 31, 2026 09:40 PM (kU8xu)

247 Whig's not kidding. I purchased a P7 PSP (German police surplus) a few years back, liked shooting in, and immediately began looking for extra magazines. Pretty much any P7 magazine variant is super scarce and expensive IF you can even find them. I ended up buying another P7 PSP for $3k off of Gunbroker because it came with four magazines. This price was only a bit more than what it would have cost to buy the magazines alone.
Posted by: Ed L

On any old semi auto, usually worthwhile to replace all the springs including magazines. Wolff springs makes the mag springs (and recoil springs for the P7) and they are surprisingly affordable. About 20 bucks per three and less for a single mag spring. gunsprings dot com Great folks to work with and everyone sells their springs too but easiest to go less popular models from the Wolff online store.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:42 PM (E4rtv)

248 Geez louise, Weasel, do you watch these things before linking them?
Posted by: mindful webworker - the one stooge at May 31, 2026 09:40 PM (kU8xu)
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They can't all be TDTESS.

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:43 PM (DJPFk)

249 Weasel, Thanks for another fun thread. Our regards to Weasel Woman and the pups.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 09:46 PM (yTvNw)

250 A real consideration was Mrs. JTB. She is small and lacks hand strength and neither of us is getting younger. Racking a slide can be a problem. I know there are techniques to compensate but they add another level of complexity in a stressful situation. She can handle a DA trigger much easier and is more comfortable with that setup. Also, semi recoil has more muzzle flip than most revolvers and that gives her more trouble.
Posted by: JTB

Some of the small H&R 32 Magnum or even the 327 Magnums hold seven cartridges. And you can shoot 32 S&W Long out of them as well as 32 H&R Magnum. The 327 Magnum shoots all of them including the 327 but is a bit much for most people.

Given what you mentioned for widest applicability, perhaps a 3 inch barrel and and 38 Special with 148 gr wadcutters or if you can find it, some reduced recoil Hornady self defense ammo or the old 125gr Federal Nyclad Hollow points (now probably gone except from gun shows). The latter is another low recoil self defense load and I think Federal may have a newer version of it in polymer coated lead hollowpoints.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:47 PM (E4rtv)

251 Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 09:46 PM (yTvNw)
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Thanks and same to you and Mrs. JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:51 PM (DJPFk)

252 JTB and other pipers, my latest purchase was some Cornell & Diehl Belmont Station in bulk from the Cigar Chateau in Wichita, KS. I whiffed a lot of the bulk items they had in jars, and the Belmont appealed -- a strong whiskey aroma in the jar and the pouch. It's faded a bit now; it's more redolent of rum. But it's a codger style blend, not an aromatic like a goopy Captain Black; it's not too strong; and smokes fairly mild.

I still have an unopened tin of C & D's Briar Fox. People tell me it's wonderful, and I'm waiting for a special occasion to crack it open.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 09:51 PM (wzUl9)

253 Have a nice and peaceful evening Weasel.

Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:51 PM (E4rtv)

254 Posted by: whig at May 31, 2026 09:51 PM (E4rtv)
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Appreciate it, whig. Same to you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 31, 2026 09:52 PM (DJPFk)

255 For some odd reason I did not manage to nap this afternoon -- odd, after a night short on sleep and a solid workout in the heat this morning. It's starting to catch up to me. I think I'll head off to bed a bit earlier than usual.

Chores this week: A rep from Bekins Van Lines is coming over Tues. to assess my furniture to estimate my cost for the move to Indiana; Wed. I'm going to the eyeglass shop to see about getting glasses for driving. The home inspection report should be in by Friday or Saturday, and then I have to see what insurance will cost me.

Now I'm more tired than I was when I started that paragraph!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 09:59 PM (wzUl9)

256 250 ... Whig,

I agree. The carry and house guns are 357 DA revolvers loaded with 38 special. Mrs. JTB is comfortable and accurate with them. Unfortunately, my 32 magnums are Ruger single actions, not DA. I love 32 Long as a reloadable target round.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2026 10:00 PM (yTvNw)

257 Oh, and I tried calling my oldest friend to wish him happy birthday. The call couldn't go through -- the voice said "There are calling restrictions on this number." I wonder what's up.

I sent him an email, but he's not much of an Internet person.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 31, 2026 10:01 PM (wzUl9)

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