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Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, May 23

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This is a polyantha rose, Verdun, that doesn't get much over two feet. It's a hybrid from France, first introduced in 1918, could explain the name. It has a flush of bloom in the spring, then a few every once in awhile through the summer. I've had it for years but it rarely blooms this heavily; since the picture was taken all the buds at the top have opened too. The flower is very double and very pink, can see the double blossom and the color better in the closeup.

Lirio100

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It is a lovely rose, and a wonderful way to remember Verdun, where a lot of terrifying things happened over the centuries. My grandfather served near there as a chaplain in WW I, but it was a fort starting in the fourth century. We can remember it for the rose and for sugared almonds in the Gardening Thread. And be thankful that there are memorials rather than more fighting there now.

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Pat* has irises!

This is the dry-stacked stone bed I often mention. In the center is peony ‘Bowl of Cream’, with a native blue flax in front. In the rear are 2 native blue penstemon. The dark purple iris is last year’s purchase, ‘Dusky Challenger’. I need to create a name for the lavender iris with white falls, since my neighbor Kathryn tells me she brought it here from her mom’s home in Tennessee. Any suggestions? (The second stone bed now has white iris ‘America’s Cup’, 2 native Firecracker Penstemon, and a native Orange Globemallow, but still needs a red peony. We also plan to put a native Golden Currant in the ground between the beds. If it all does well, I’ll send more photos next year.)

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A lovely bed! Any suggestions for a name for that iris?


Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

Finally, red tomatoes!

By-Tor

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They look scrumptious! Getting there (below)

May 16: My container garden is coming along. Squash, tomatoes and peppers so far.

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The yellow squash looks great! The peppers look ready and that tomato looks like it will be wonderful!

April 24: My container garden after about two weeks. I have about six tomatoes of various kinds, same with peppers, some zucchini, and an herb garden.

Should be going great guns by June.

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Interesting assortment of containers!


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Gardens of The Horde

From badgerwx after I lost most of her post last week:

Greetings, KT.

I've been meaning to send some garden pictures but have been busy. I retired at the end of Feb - just in time for the spring gardening season - so I've been spending my time trying to whip my yard into shape. It's nice to be able to get out in the mornings now to work in the yard, though there are always surprises and setbacks when it comes to gardening. This year I had a surprise frost in mid-April (the week after some 90-deg days), and a pair of cardinals decided to raise a family in one of my lilacs in the corner of my yard. Most of my frost damage was to some of my shrubs and trees. This button bush lost all its leaves except on one branch close to the ground. And 2 crape myrtles in my side yard also lost a lot of leaves. But all of them are leafing out again. We'll see if they bloom this summer.

Frost is a nasty surprise, the cardinals are going in the Pet Thread!

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Luckily, the frost didn't do too much damage. The plants in my back yard were protected by my neighbors' trees and those roses and peonies there bloomed on time. I bought the peony next to the (Carefree Beauty) rose last year and this is its first bloom. The other peonies I bought last year (and added to my peony bed) weren't big enough yet to bloom this year. And I have to salute the knockout rose I bought 20 years ago that's still going strong - though not in this location. I had to move it in the winter of 2020-1 when I put in my fence, but it's bounced back nicely.

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Peony Raspberry Sundae

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Peony bed

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Knockout Rose

My irises in bud weren't affected, but the roses in my side yard have no buds yet. I'll be back in the 90s next week so maybe that will spur them on. The plants on my hell strip had no frost effects even though that is an exposed location.

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Iris Clarence

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I love the hell strip.


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Hope everyone has a nice long weekend.


If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is:

ktinthegarden at g mail dot com

Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker.

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Week in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Garden, Home and Nature Thread, May 16

I closed the comments on that post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 01:51 PM




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1 Roomy!

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 23, 2026 01:57 PM (TezPK)

2 Good afternoon Greenthumbs
I still didn't get any new vegetables to plant, only in 50s today and tomorrow.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2026 01:59 PM (Ia/+0)

3 Damn neighbor on property cut down decades old cactus to plant his shitty little seedlings. Occupy the farm!!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 02:00 PM (Kt19C)

4 We see a couple varieties of rambling roses growing wild near our front gate every year for a couple of weeks in the spring. Little roses with delicate little thorns that will still stick you.

If you are like me you have that song stuck in your head now.

Posted by: fd at May 23, 2026 02:03 PM (vFG9F)

5 Hell strip!
Love the name.

Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:03 PM (q6tQZ)

6 There is a soldier in my family tree who was a casualty in WWl--he was lost in the Meuse-Argonne offensive in France on Nov 5, 1918. I didn't know this at the time I bought that rose but now kinda think of it as his.

Posted by: Lirio100 at May 23, 2026 02:03 PM (ky7/T)

7 We had a warmer March than May, and it shows in the garden. I had to plant things out, but they're puny, and just hanging on.
I did collect two (honeybee) swarms in my new swarm traps last night. Big fun. I have to figure a way to hang and retrieve them by myself, though. Awfully awkward.
Iris... In our big bed out front, either the iris have hybridized, or we lost 3 or 4. Are they one of the flowers that all look alike after a few years?

Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:06 PM (q6tQZ)

8 Hope I got things labeled right for badgerwx.

Posted by: KT at May 23, 2026 02:11 PM (rdeQO)

9 I have been out desultory putting up the posts so I can have a trellis around my blackcap and thimbleberry bushes, and I noticed that the thimbleberry bushes are aggressively smothering out my blackcaps. Since the blackcaps are looking to have a lot of fruit and I am about ready to rip out the thimbleberries because they never fruit, I had to dive into the hedge and pull out a lot of thimbleberry plants.
Both species I gathered in the woods, so they are not exactly domestic cultivars, but I do like them, and they are resistant to the root canker the raspberries died from.

Blackcaps propagate by layering, the canes grow long and put in roots when the top touches the ground. Thimbleberries spread out by spreading rhizomes and are more aggressive.

Other than that, my corn is poking up out of the furrows, and my potatoes are going great guns.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2026 02:11 PM (rbvCR)

10 Lirio100 at May 23, 2026 02:03 PM

It's possible that my grandfather buried him. He buried American, French and German soldiers, kept records for all of them.

Posted by: KT at May 23, 2026 02:16 PM (rdeQO)

11 Never heard blackberry called blackcap. Had to look it up. What part of the country does that come from? I sure wish I'd planted thornless, so I wouldn't be spraying those darned brambles all the time.

Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:16 PM (q6tQZ)

12 4 We see a couple varieties of rambling roses growing wild near our front gate every year for a couple of weeks in the spring. Little roses with delicate little thorns that will still stick you.

If you are like me you have that song stuck in your head now.
Posted by: fd at May 23, 2026 02:03 PM (vFG9F)


Probably a Cecile Brunner...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 23, 2026 02:22 PM (irNtJ)

13 KT,

You did get all the picture labels right. My hell strip is mostly Elijah Blue Fescue that's starting to seed itself (which I was hoping for). But I think I'll keep some of the iris and salvias in there just to break the monotony. I also have some Tete a Tete (yellow dwarf) daffodils planted there that bloom in early spring.

I like Pat's lavender iris but I can't think of any clever names for it. It reminds me of the iris in my pink rose picture. I rented a condo in Dayton OH back in the 90s and divided up my landlady's iris clump to keep it blooming. I potted up one plant and took it with my when I moved and always just called it my blue OH iris, because it looks sort of steely-blue to me.

Posted by: badgerwx (long time lurker) at May 23, 2026 02:23 PM (VnNy+)

14 Entirely possible initially, even probable but I also found out when I found his records that his family had him brought here sometime in the 1920's. His grave is actually in Arlington now.

Posted by: Lirio100 at May 23, 2026 02:23 PM (ky7/T)

15 Great looking flowers and veggies!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2026 02:25 PM (oyck1)

16 Finally after nearly 10 years in this house husband and I have gotten into gardening. I was initially all gung ho about it but got discouraged because the list of things that the deer DON'T eat is so short.

But this year we've finally gotten serious and are actually growing (and starting to harvest) some vegetables! Someone watching us would laugh at these two 29-year-olds acting like little kids on finding a zucchini.

In other news, I now have a huge inventory of zucchini recipes. Biggest surprise so far is how delicious zucchini refrigerator pickles are. We both like them better than cucumber pickles.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at May 23, 2026 02:25 PM (FEVMW)

17 Afternoon, greenthumbs. Not much green in the Peon garden here in AJ. Oleander blooming mightily. Small, hard balls on the pomegranate bush. I've never managed to be here when the fruit is edible.

My Roundup campaign against the nastyweeds back in March paid off very well; most of the sprayees are dead, dead, dead. I will hula-hoe the dead stalks, and put them in the wheelie bin. The dead stalks hoe very easily, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2026 02:25 PM (8zz6B)

18 Have lately been admiring desert Juniper. Sort of the original bonsai, they grow in difficult conditions to say the least. They have a survival strategy of cutting off water and nutrients to certain branches, after several hundred years they sometimes look more dead than alive. I’ve never seen any noticeable new growth from year to year. The information I can find says they live up to 800 or 900 years, sometimes a little more. It’s a little sobering to see this twisted sentinel on a cliff edge and think it was an old tree 500 years ago. If only they could talk.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 23, 2026 02:25 PM (/0pJR)

19 In other news, I now have a huge inventory of zucchini recipes

Animal. I want to party with you!

Posted by: Common Tater at May 23, 2026 02:28 PM (/0pJR)

20 Blackcaps propagate by layering, the canes grow long and put in roots when the top touches the ground. Thimbleberries spread out by spreading rhizomes and are more aggressive.

Other than that, my corn is poking up out of the furrows, and my potatoes are going great guns.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2026 02:11 PM (rbvCR)

I have eaten wild thimbleberries, and they are fine. Taste like raspberry, to which they are related. Very delicate berry; impossible to pack. Eat 'em as you pick 'em.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2026 02:29 PM (8zz6B)

21 nice stuff!

we are having a very iffy spring so I don't know. worried about some things that were in fact damaged during late frosts.

right now it's irises and peonies and the evening primroses are very showy. they are getting everywhere the naughty things!

blackberries and ground cherries starting. lettuce doing well. thank God for lettuce lol.

hoping my tomatoes hang in, they're growing well now, I probably planted too soon tho

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at May 23, 2026 02:29 PM (j+aD2)

22 got discouraged because the list of things that the deer DON'T eat is so short.

Plantskyyd

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at May 23, 2026 02:30 PM (j+aD2)

23 Great looking flowers and veggies!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2026 02:25 PM (oyck1)

AZ, we must get together for a beer! I am here in AJ for a few more days.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2026 02:30 PM (8zz6B)

24 11 Never heard blackberry called blackcap. Had to look it up. What part of the country does that come from?

Blackcaps are black raspberries. Blackberries retain a core when picked, raspberries don't.

Posted by: KT at May 23, 2026 02:32 PM (rdeQO)

25 I love seeing everyone's gardening projects! I see Pat*'s irises like to lean wayyy over like mine do. My irises grew upright in Colorado. I brought the rhizomes with me when we moved to Arkansas. Now they grow and flower much bigger than they did in our mile-high Colorado garden. Even though the stems are nearly broomstick sized, the flowers still end up on the ground.

Posted by: Emmie -- be strong and courageous! at May 23, 2026 02:33 PM (FMtrg)

26 Hell strip is now Heaven's path. Great reworking of an unsightly patch of dirt.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 23, 2026 02:35 PM (kpS4V)

27 We have a little yard hydrant in front of the house, and put a cattle panel over it to plant vines.
We have found NOTHING that deer won't eat. Same deer may not eat it, but there are so many, nothing will last.
Our veggie garden has an electric fence around it. That works.

Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:36 PM (q6tQZ)

28 Thanks, KT. We call them black raspberries!
Ha

Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:37 PM (q6tQZ)

29 I keep getting ads for a deer repellent sound thingie (scientific term). Supposedly inaudible to people and pets but drives deer away. Has anyone tried one?

Posted by: Wenda at May 23, 2026 02:38 PM (pBmgI)

30 Weather's been all over the place but my veggie patch has survived. Tomatoes and peppers are chugging along, dragon beans and butterfly peas are coming up, and lots of sunflower volunteers are crowding in. I'll have to transplant a few to other beds.

Plucked a nice sack of lettuces for a dinner salad. No more sad grocery store greens!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 23, 2026 02:40 PM (kpS4V)

31 Unfortunately, I have never discovered an effective method for dealing with deer.

Posted by: Emmie -- be strong and courageous! at May 23, 2026 02:45 PM (FMtrg)

32 OK Mr pharmacist, rohypnol and viagra please. What aisle is the duct tape on?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 02:46 PM (Kt19C)

33 Nice peonies

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 23, 2026 02:46 PM (RIvkX)

34 We have a little yard hydrant in front of the house, and put a cattle panel over it to plant vines.
We have found NOTHING that deer won't eat. Same deer may not eat it, but there are so many, nothing will last.
Our veggie garden has an electric fence around it. That works.
Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:36 PM (q6tQZ)

12 ga. blank perimeter alarm:

https://tinyurl.com/kdanwd4x

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2026 02:46 PM (8zz6B)

35 anyone tried one?
They used to sell dog whistle like things for motorcycles.
We called them deer callers.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 02:48 PM (Kt19C)

36 I've received two shrubs from Fast Growing Trees

The cordyline arrived in decent shape even though it took a month, so I gave them another try.

The pieris arrived in 2 weeks obviously tossed around, broken stems, brown leaves. Hopefully with some Miracle Gro soil and some acidic fertilizer I can save it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 23, 2026 02:49 PM (RIvkX)

37 https://tinyurl.com/kdanwd4x fail.
But sounds NFA adjacent

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 02:50 PM (Kt19C)

38 Posted by: MkY at May 23, 2026 02:16 PM (q6tQZ)

Blackcaps are Rubus Leucodermis, they are a type of wild raspberry, though they look like blackberries.
They are a NW berry, and for a while they were grown commercially since they tend to be tougher than raspberries.

The problem with any berry cultivar is that they are very likely to go back to a wild form when they propagate by seed. Even the very restrained Marionberries and Boysenberries will seed to brambles that are mostly identifiable from the Himalayas by the darker canes

Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2026 02:51 PM (rbvCR)

39 Electronic deer repeller? I’d be very very very skeptical. (Plus, they don’t work).

The Deer whistles on cars never worked either. If it can be done safely, turning off your headlights briefly will often allow them to see well enough to get out of the way a little more effectively. Driving at night period has more than a few things to unrecommend it.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 23, 2026 02:52 PM (/0pJR)

40 https://tinyurl.com/kdanwd4x fail.
But sounds NFA adjacent
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 02:50 PM (Kt19C)

Just checked. Works for me. It's practically impossible to put a loaded 12 ga shell into the device. Nothing but a loud noisemaker.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2026 02:53 PM (8zz6B)

41 For the good size herd of deer here , they don't seem to do much damage

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2026 02:54 PM (Ia/+0)

42 I like how they are the “King’s Deer” when it pertains to hunting (or poaching for that matter) but the government bears no responsibility nor liability when they total your car. Take it up with your Insurance.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 23, 2026 02:57 PM (/0pJR)

43 End of day riding into steamboat springs for vintage race week a huge buck leapt right in my path. So close all I could see were front and rear haunches. Before a come to Jesus stopping attempt it jumped away like a bunny.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 03:00 PM (Kt19C)

44 I like how they are the “King’s Deer” when it pertains to hunting (or poaching for that matter) but the government bears no responsibility nor liability when they total your car. Take it up with your Insurance.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 23, 2026 02:57 PM (/0pJR)


In Oregon you can harvest road kill, though there is a process to go through.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2026 03:00 PM (rbvCR)

45 We have found NOTHING that deer won't eat.
_-_
Potatoes are a nightshade, they said, poisonous to animals, they said, deer win't bother them, they said...up about two weeks and _something_ ate all the potato sprouts off all the way to the ground. If you don't cage it here, you don't own it.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at May 23, 2026 03:02 PM (2gJPm)

46 Two weeks ago I bought catnip for the garden, sometimes it survives so I can harvest leaves to dry for tea.
This year it has been eaten to the ground by one or more of the cats. I figured my big tom was chewing it down, but this morning I found my old calico gnawing on the stems and rubbing her face in in.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2026 03:07 PM (rbvCR)

47 If deer are hungry, they'll eat anything that isn't poisonous. The only sure method to protect plants is a fence. The arboretums in the greater DC metro have wire fences that look to be 12-15 ft tall with barbed wire on top. I've heard that deer have poor eyesight and won't try to jump a solid fence that's at least 6 ft tall. When I got my fence installed in 2020, it was a 6 ft solid vinyl fence. I haven't had any deer in my yard so far and I hope the fence will keep it that way, as my area gets more built up. I've got a lot of plants that deer just love. I've also heard that two 3-4 ft fences set about 3 ft apart will deter them, but you'd need a lot of land for something like that.

Posted by: badgerwx (long time lurker) at May 23, 2026 03:09 PM (VnNy+)

48 Unfortunately, I have never discovered an effective method for dealing with deer.
Posted by: Emmie

.308 will end the problem and fill the freezer.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2026 03:09 PM (oyck1)

49 ...stopping attempt it jumped away like a bunny.
_-_
Glad you managed to avoid it. I had a sister-in-law who was killed when a buck came straight at her and her husband from the side on a Harley (yep, helmets, leathers, boots). Husband barely survived.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at May 23, 2026 03:12 PM (2gJPm)

50 Some years ago, tops of tomato plants above the fence were all eaten, deer only animals that high.
Last year cucumber leaves sticking through fence would be gone but never a cucumber wete touched.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2026 03:14 PM (Ia/+0)

51 One thing I didn't expect is that my fence would become a squirrel highway. My neighborhood is infested with tree rats and I see them every day, running along the top of my fences to get to my neighbors' trees or the trees across the road. With a pit stop at my back yard bird feeder, unfortunately. I used to have some hawks in the area but haven't seen them lately. I hope the fat, juicy squirrels will attract a new pair of raptors of some kind.

Posted by: badgerwx (long time lurker) at May 23, 2026 03:16 PM (VnNy+)

52 Afternoon, folken!

I've never been a garden type, despite my mother filling our patio with plants when I was a teen. The house I'm considering in Indiana could really benefit from some shrubs below the porch, though. And I'm playing with Sherwin-Williams "Paint a Photo" feature on their website to get an idea what a house like mine might look like in a slightly duskier blue, and the walls of a living room in a light blue. Kinda fun.

Some of the house photos have nice brick trim facings on the steps down to the street. Those can be installed on regular stone steps, right?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 23, 2026 03:18 PM (wzUl9)

53 Amen, Don in SoCo!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2026 03:24 PM (Kt19C)

54 Hell strip? Does that designation have anything to do with hobos?

Posted by: Eromero at May 23, 2026 03:27 PM (LHPAg)

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