Gun Thread: Mother's Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Hallmark Shitballs! It's our festive annual Mother's Day Edition where it only seems fitting to pay tribute to the shooting Mom's in our lives, so Happy Mother's Day to all of you Mom's out there! In fact, all the shooting 'ettes deserve a special day of their own, don't you think?! Ma Barker, pictured above, certainly fits the definition of a shooting mom... or did she? While there is some question regarding her level of participation in the "gang" bearing her name, some of her sons were unquestionably familiar with firearms. In any event, it's an interesting story, some of which is chronicled at the Oklahoma Historical Society's website, and Wikipedia even has some interesting things to say on the subject.

Wishing a bigly Gun Thread HMD to all the Mom's out there!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Here's a sort-of fundamentals question; what caused you to take up shooting as a hobby? Did you start shooting as a kid and that continued as an adult? Did a friend take you to the range and from there you were hooked? Was it a self-defense a consideration? Do you just like guns and shooting?

Thinking about this some more, what aspects appeal to you the most? The challenges such as precision and accuracy? The combination of mechanical skills and art? The camaraderie of other shooters? The smell of gunpowder in the morning?

For me? I just wanted to learn how to shoot and kind of got carried away! OK, a lot carried away. I started competing because I knew that keeping score would track my progress and incentivize me to try my best.

OK, I swear I am not making this up. I just finished writing the above (really!) and checked my email and what do you suppose I found? Why, a note from Sharon(willow's apprentice). How timely!

This summer will be 6 years since I encountered the horde for the first time at the NoVa MoMe. Weasel had suggested JesseinDC give me a ride. Jesse believed all women should learn to shoot. He took me under his wing, introduced me to Stinky's daddy and took me to a range for the first time in my life. I went to Texas and got coached by Steck and Eromero and Weasel and Geoff. I bought a couple of pistols. Met Ed L, Blaster, And Hrothgar so Iris and I pushed and the DMVMGC was born. Last Sunday I picked up my G48 with Holosun sight and shot this target at 7 yds.

Then I picked Sra Blaster's gun and shot this one at 5 yds. It felt amazing. I won't stop practicing fundamentals and I will keep trying to get better but I just wanted to say thank you to those who helped me get here and encourage those of you considering going to a MoMe to Do It! Guaranteed to change your life.
Sharon(willow's apprentice)

(I may have these pics rotated incorrectly -W)

Thanks SWA!! Nice shooting and glad to hear you're sticking with it.

To all y'all, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and your specific personal reasons for taking up the shooting sports in the comments!

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1911 Fun

and...

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.32 ACP?

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Our Pal Toxic Propellant Hazards

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NoVaMoMe 2026

What - you thought there wasn't going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2026?

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2026 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2026, and need to go over a few details. First, the date is June 20th, 2026 from 11am to 3pm. Nextly, my bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2026 will continue the longstanding tradition of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

First, no registration and no advance charge for food. If you would like to attend, send an email to WeaselBell Productions, and let us know. You will be directed to a sekrit webpage with all of the details. We do ask once you have decided to attend to let us know so we can coordinate an expected count with venue management. Once there if you are hungry or thirsty simply order from the onsite menu and pay separately. Cash and credit cards accepted. Next, although fun, we have decided to again take a break from the raffles and mug sales this year. Depending on how it goes, that may be something we bring back in future years. While your generosity is always appreciated, with no prize table, please leave donations and contributions at home, but bring your appetite for a great afternoon spent with your imaginary online friends.

Next, a NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a reply email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

That's it, people. Don't be a dork. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Highway Patrol!

This week's episode: Safecracker!

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Zombies Of The Stratosphere!

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Cigar of the Week

This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the H. Upmann Nicaragua Heritage by AJ Fernandez.

AJ Fernandez, one of the giants of current cigar blenders, does collaborations with just about every brand you can think of. As with the rest of his creations, I have yet to find one that doesn't deliver. AJ has done two collaborations with the Cuban legacy brand H. Upmann. I reviewed his first effort a while back - it's among the sticks I'll pick up without hesitation when I come across it in the wild (H. Uppman by AJ Fernandez). Just tried his more recent one - H. Upmann Nicaragua Heritage by AJ Fernandez.
It's a rustic-looking dark brown cigar (I tried the toro, 6 X 54). It has a Brazilian mata fina wrapper, with Brazilian and Nicaraguan fillers. Construction, draw, and smoke volume all very good - burn line did require some management at times. Profile was fuller end of medium-full. Flavors - something medium with a hint of sweetness at the start - coffee or something close, moving into oak, earth and leather from about the mid-point. This one packed a noticeable (though not overwhelming) nicotine punch. While not the flavor profile I usually reach for, a very good cigar that will please most who prefer the earth and dark wood experience. The H. Upmann Nicaragua Heritage by AJ Fernandez is available online for around $10 and up.

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you very much!!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Palmetto State Armory
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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Back in a minute!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 10, 2026 07:01 PM (0hHRY)

2 I fired all of my guns at once, but , space didn't happen

Posted by: Ray's Cyst at May 10, 2026 07:03 PM (jrgJz)

3 Howdy all!

Posted by: Caf at May 10, 2026 07:05 PM (qS/Xm)

4 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex - non-dork dino at May 10, 2026 07:05 PM (cCn4/)

5 SWA, nice story and nice shooting!!!! Keep it up!

Looking forward to seeing you folks next month at the NoVaMoMe.

For me no range report. But I should have one next week. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 10, 2026 07:05 PM (0hHRY)

6 NB: Sharon can call on several mostly reputable Morons to validate the target set pair displayed above!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at May 10, 2026 07:07 PM (hOUT3)

7 Methinks it might be a quiet night due to it being Mothers Day.

Happy Mothers Day to all the Mothers out there.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM (0hHRY)

8 I believe "Zombies of the Stratosphere" also has Leonard Nimoy in it somewhere.

Though I own three guns, I have yet to shoot any of them. So that's one mark in the "Loser" side of the chart.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM (CHHv1)

9 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM (0hHRY)
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Methinks so too.

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:09 PM (1S3fY)

10
BC,

You are not a loser!!!

You have Robert and you take excellent care of him and your wounds from him.

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 07:09 PM (3ek7K)

11 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM (CHHv1)
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I think you're right.

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:10 PM (1S3fY)

12 9 Methinks so too.

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:09 PM

I will check in every now and then.
Early night due to having to be in the office tomorrow.
But a short week this week and next week as I am taking Friday and Monday off.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 10, 2026 07:11 PM (0hHRY)

13

The Untouchables S01E02 Ma Barker and Her Boys

https://youtu.be/QqNhs6e8f-4

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2026 07:11 PM (Cqx++)

14 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM (CHHv1)
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I think you're right.
Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:10 PM (1S3fY)
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About Nimoy!!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:11 PM (1S3fY)

15 Though I own three guns, I have yet to shoot any of them. So that's one mark in the "Loser" side of the chart.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

Your mission now becomes one of remedying this situation before it is entered in your permanent record!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS NoVA MoMe in Virginia! ~ at May 10, 2026 07:11 PM (hOUT3)

16
Robert probably doesn't let Beckoning out unless it's for cat supplies.

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 07:12 PM (3ek7K)

17 The best part about shooting guns is that you get to hang out with other people who like shooting guns. Especially when they open lots of different guns and are willing to share.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:13 PM (kJmSS)

18 Wishing a bigly Gun Thread HMD

Howitzer of Mass Destruction?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:15 PM (0sNs1)

19 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:15 PM (BCwQW)

20 Beckoning Chasm, are you coming to NoVA? We usually try to get together on Sunday at our range. We could help you get started with those pistols.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:16 PM (kJmSS)

21 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at May 10, 2026 07:16 PM (sAmhv)

22
BC,

Wound care is important. Robert is prepping you for that.

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 07:18 PM (3ek7K)

23 How I got into it…
Saw an incredible deal on a Benelli M3Super 90.
Picked it up, and even got a free case. Very fun, with inertial semi-auto action, rather than gas cycling. Easier to clean…
Then I “needed” a pistol. Got a Kimber 45 ACP. Love it, but it’s a boomer.
Then, saw an ad for some model of Glock 9mm… Went to get it, and through some coercion ( and a real-life demo!) decided on a Springfield subcompact 9mm.
Love it, and incredibly, it helped my shooting with the 45.
Just don’t like the odd grip angle on the Glocks. My coercion lesion at purchase confirmed this.
Now on my journey to get more unique firearms.
I’m decidedly into quality, not quantity.
Oh, and I have my Dad’s 22lr marksmanship rifle from his army stint. Odd sights, but a serious tack-driver when you get them aligned.

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 07:19 PM (HZfH/)

24 NB: Sharon can call on several mostly reputable Morons
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at May 10, 2026 07:07 PM

Do any actually exist? I was under the impression they were like the AoSHQ Membership Cards above Cardboard Level, whispered about, but no one's actually seen one.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:19 PM (0sNs1)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:20 PM (0sNs1)

26
25, you have nothing to say?

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 07:21 PM (3ek7K)

27 Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 07:19 PM (HZfH/)
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Cool!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:21 PM (PVV5z)

28 Heyo!
In and out tonight. Got some travel coming up.

Posted by: RI Red at May 10, 2026 07:22 PM (GOpmI)

29 Anybody who knows me also knows Mrs. E, who shoots better than I do. Now that's out of the way, you may not know is she's going through Lymphoma treatments and we get an assessment on the 22nd. Thank you for your prayers.

Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2026 07:23 PM (LHPAg)

30 25, you have nothing to say?

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 07:21 PM

Barrel avoidance manuever. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:24 PM (0sNs1)

31 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2026 07:24 PM (Ia/+0)

32 Leonard Nimoy is in "Zombies Of The Stratosphere". He plays the Martian "Narab". Maybe he really is an alien.

Posted by: fd at May 10, 2026 07:24 PM (vFG9F)

33 #6 - like we would doubt a 'ettes word ...
nice shooting, Sharon(willow's apprentice) !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 10, 2026 07:24 PM (VyBeY)

34
A great thing about living in SW Wyoming. You can go out to the Badlands and shoot yourself silly.

You don't want to come to Wyoming because it sucks.

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 07:25 PM (3ek7K)

35 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special Mom's Day greeting (but not in that way) to our host Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 10, 2026 07:25 PM (t2oSI)

36 29 Now that's out of the way, you may not know is she's going through Lymphoma treatments and we get an assessment on the 22nd. Thank you for your prayers.

Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2026 07:23 PM
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Prayers up!

Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at May 10, 2026 07:26 PM (cCn4/)

37 How I got started?
Finally escaped from the People's Republic of CA, attended our first NoVa MoMe, and when we voiced our desire to learn to shoot Weasel got us set up...and then Doof insisted we absolutely had to attend the TX MoMe (and he wasn't wrong)...and here we are. Will always be thankful to everyone who assisted along the way, and continues to advance our knowledge base....one of the best things we've ever done!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 10, 2026 07:26 PM (cCn4/)

38 29 Anybody who knows me also knows Mrs. E, who shoots better than I do. Now that's out of the way, you may not know is she's going through Lymphoma treatments and we get an assessment on the 22nd. Thank you for your prayers.
Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2026 07:23 PM (LHPAg)

Continued prayers for the Mrs' comfort and for positive findings on the 22nd, Eromero.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 10, 2026 07:27 PM (t2oSI)

39 That's her good side.

Posted by: connected and litigious at May 10, 2026 07:28 PM (cS1cw)

40 Barrel avoidance manuever. ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:24 PM (0sNs1)

Very timely!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS NoVA MoMe in Virginia! ~ at May 10, 2026 07:28 PM (hOUT3)

41 Several states are trying to ban Glocks. Today I saw that a group is suing Glock because they say a Glock 17 is concealable. This is amusing on several levels. First a Glock 17 is not easily concealable. Second because they are suing the manufacturer because a Glock was used in a shooting on a subway in NY. Like because they make guns, they are responsible for everyone that shoots one committing a crime.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:29 PM (kJmSS)

42 .32 ACP may not be the best carry choice today, but I think it's still great as learning tool and as a range toy. The old Beretta Model 81 Cheetah and new production Walther PPK or PPK/S are inherently low recoiling and just fun to shoot. If you choose to carry .32 ACP, shot placement is even more critical to your shooting skills. Practice is definitely necessary if you choose to roll w/ .32 ACP.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:30 PM (BCwQW)

43 Anybody who knows me also knows Mrs. E, who shoots better than I do. Now that's out of the way, you may not know is she's going through Lymphoma treatments and we get an assessment on the 22nd. Thank you for your prayers.
Posted by: Eromero
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She (and you) are included in my morning and evening prayers...but I did not know she shoots better than you!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 10, 2026 07:30 PM (cCn4/)

44 Howdy Sharon!

I saw last week that you may use a heavier weapon as your EDC.

I researched carry purses for Bride of PI a long time ago.

They are so handy that I think that would be MY preferred means of carry if the purse did not immediately draw attention to me!

They have some where you can carry your gun in a central compartment, and actually put your hand on your weapon without brandishing it. Who is going to become wary when they see a small woman put her hand on/in her purse?

Further, if I was carrying a heavy piece, I would rather have it on a strap over my shoulder compared to on my waist.

Finally, easier to control your access as you get in and out of a car.

When I asked The Horde for advice, I believe they said to go to a gun show where you can try out a bunch at once and easily ascertain your preference.

(Just throwing out some ideas for you.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 10, 2026 07:31 PM (HlyYF)

45 Thank you for your prayers.
Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2026 07:23 PM (LHPAg)

Prayers and best wishes for Mrs. E. sent.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:32 PM (BCwQW)

46 41 Several states are trying to ban Glocks. Today I saw that a group is suing Glock because they say a Glock 17 is concealable. This is amusing on several levels. First a Glock 17 is not easily concealable. Second because they are suing the manufacturer because a Glock was used in a shooting on a subway in NY. Like because they make guns, they are responsible for everyone that shoots one committing a crime.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:29 PM (kJmSS)

Sigh Did I fucking stutter? (h/t alexthechick)

Posted by: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (2005) at May 10, 2026 07:32 PM (t2oSI)

47 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel! I have no range report because I can't walk around the range because of leg surgery. I did buy two .22 rifles: Marlin 880SQ (.22 LR), Marlin 882SSV (.22 Win Mag) with scopes and bipods. I also bought ammo: .38 special, .22 WMR. Several years ago our host had a discussion about Bench Rest Sandbags. Weasel please give us your recommendations on preventing wobbly aiming. TIA

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 10, 2026 07:34 PM (yJcPp)

48 Dang it Eromero!

Prayers headed your way and then up.

I will also tell Bride of PI. I think she has somehow arranged to have God on speed dial.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 10, 2026 07:34 PM (HlyYF)

49 Though I own three guns, I have yet to shoot any of them. So that's one mark in the "Loser" side of the chart.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

Check the couch cushions.
Or behind the headboard on the floor.

You might find four or five.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 10, 2026 07:36 PM (/lPRQ)

50 Eromero, prayers are up from here for her and for good news for the both of you!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS NoVA MoMe in Virginia! ~ at May 10, 2026 07:36 PM (hOUT3)

51 41 Several states are trying to ban Glocks. Today I saw that a group is suing Glock because they say a Glock 17 is concealable. This is amusing on several levels. First a Glock 17 is not easily concealable. Second because they are suing the manufacturer because a Glock was used in a shooting on a subway in NY. Like because they make guns, they are responsible for everyone that shoots one committing a crime.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:29 PM (kJmSS)

Well, didn’t you know Ford Motor Company is responsible for anyone who commits a DWI while driving one of their vehicles?

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 10, 2026 07:37 PM (T6aVk)

52 Thanks PI. I watched this video about drawing from a holster and it seems that even if I had on a tunic to hide the pistol that it would be difficult to draw. I would be worried about a purse because it would be easy for someone to grab and cut the strap. SiD had an interesting one that was a belt bag. That would be more secure because more difficult to grab, it doesn't need to be under clothes to keep from being seen and I don't carry a purse when I'm out walking. I want to go to show but the last two dates here were postponed til June.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:38 PM (kJmSS)

53 Though I own three guns, I have yet to shoot any of them. So that's one mark in the "Loser" side of the chart.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM

It is a well known fact that guns get very sad and depressed unless you take them out for at least a little bit of shooting!

Do you have any nearby Morons that you know IRL that can take you to a range?

That is usually more fun, safer for new gun people, and also better for getting good advice even if you are already an expert.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 10, 2026 07:38 PM (HlyYF)

54 I agree with Duncanthrax Johnson!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 10, 2026 07:38 PM (ZVgZ4)

55 Though I own three guns, I have yet to shoot any of them.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2026 07:08 PM

Fortunately, this condition is easily and painlessly rectifiable.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:38 PM (0sNs1)

56 Good evening to all the GunHorde and thank you Weasel
Got a chance to encourage a friend to head back to the range last weekend. We were helping open up a summer camp, he’d had a close call last year and was still very weak. Felt uncomfortable because of lack of practice. 1911 fan due to extensive Army time.
He’s going to hit it again.

Posted by: Coelacanth at May 10, 2026 07:39 PM (FUvyF)

57 Ed@42.
My county, I believe, does not allow anything below a 38 for CCW carry. KKKalifornia, of course, but a rural county. Which when I moved here, a Sierra foothill county, and was assumedly a conservative county, but not really. Once I got here, and noticed all of the gray pony tails on a surprising amount of males (you really can’t ever be sure here) I realized I might have made a regrettable choice.
But, got my license, so it’s not the worst thing…

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 07:39 PM (HZfH/)

58 I agree with Duncanthrax Johnson!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 10, 2026 07:38 PM

Any relation to John Jeremiah Garrison "Liver Eating'" Johnston?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:40 PM (0sNs1)

59 Like because they make guns, they are responsible for everyone that shoots one committing a crime.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:29 PM (kJmSS)

This isn't new. John Dillinger had a gunsmith buddy of his who converted several 1911s into improvised machine pistols with extended magazines for his use. The IRA also did the same in Northern Ireland with 1911s obtained in the US and converted in Irish workshops. These featured extended magazines, wire stocks, and leather strap forward grips. And if illegal Glock switches are a problem, how come I haven't heard of anyone going to Leavenworth for the extended stay plan lately?

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:41 PM (BCwQW)

60 I would be worried about a purse because it would be easy for someone to grab and cut the strap.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:38 PM[i/]

Most of the ones I examined at Cabelas have a wire cable in the strap - just to thwart the cutpurses.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 10, 2026 07:43 PM (HlyYF)

61 The Marxists won't quit trying to make laws against firearms until they take over and then outlaw them as best they can.
There is likely 300,000,000 or more weapons in the country, that won't stop them from trying.

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2026 07:44 PM (Ia/+0)

62 Dooh.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 10, 2026 07:44 PM (HlyYF)

63 How I got started: Grew up hunting and fishing in Michigan - bowhunting deer and shot gunning for birds / rabbits. My Dad had a .22 pistol but that was the only handgun I ever shot. Fast forward about 35 years, I haven't been hunting in decades but I wanted something for home protection besides a long Remington 870. Bought a S&W M&P 9mm and loved shooting it. Gradually picked up others - pretty much stayed with S&W. I am looking at reaching out further and would like to pick up a Bergara B14 HMR in 6.5Creedmoor / 6.5 PRC . Two or Three TXMOME's ago Weasel gave me a few tips on shooting my S&W AR and I want to learn more.

Posted by: Lurking in Garland at May 10, 2026 07:45 PM (j9Bn5)

64 Rerruhh!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3NaQxUEfxt0

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 10, 2026 07:45 PM (ZVgZ4)

65 61 The Marxists won't quit trying to make laws against firearms until they take over and then outlaw them as best they can.
There is likely 300,000,000 or more weapons in the country, that won't stop them from trying.
Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2026 07:44 PM (Ia/+0)

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 10, 2026 07:46 PM (T6aVk)

66 There is likely 300,000,000 or more weapons in the country, that may well stop them from trying!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 10, 2026 07:47 PM (ZVgZ4)

67 Thanks for the Gub, Weasel! Happy Mom's Day to all applicable 'Ettes. And prayers up for Mrs. E.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 10, 2026 07:47 PM (ceJ0R)

68 Hey Sharon@52.
I see an occasional Fanny pack on individuals.
A fag-bag, as some might note…
I have figured out 2 scenarios…
One: a Canadian, usually with Jean shorts..
Two: someone who is carrying, with easy access to the piece.
Would you consider this?
A Maple Leaf T-shirt would most certainly throw people off track.
And the liberal use of the word “eh” at the end of any sentence…

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 07:48 PM (HZfH/)

69 Posted by: Lurking in Garland at May 10, 2026 07:45 PM (j9Bn5)
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Happy to help anytime!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 07:49 PM (PVV5z)

70 Ma Barker died January 16, 1935. She did go peacefully. Serious case of lead poisoning.

Posted by: Art Linkletter at May 10, 2026 07:49 PM (wAr5n)

71 Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 07:39 PM (HZfH/)

Interesting that .38 is the minimum for CCW there. Today's micro-9s are a lot better than what was on offer 40 years ago. I think that a modern micro-9 like the SIG P365 or HK CC9 is easier to shoot than a classic snub nosed .38 like the Colt Detective Special. From my own experience, I'd say something like a Detective Special is the worst choice one can make as a first CCW firearm. It's hard to learn how to shoot a snubby in double action without your accuracy going down the drain. I've had my Detective Special for 30 years now, and couldn't shoot it accurately at all in double action until about ten years ago.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:50 PM (BCwQW)

72 I got started shooting with my dad and Boy Scouts. Then I went to the military. Air Force, so I didn't get to shoot much. Until I became an air liaison officer, and I needed to qualify on M-16 and M-9. I did pretty well with the M-16 and adequately with the M-9. But I didn't get much personal time with firearms for a while because I was overseas. Then, when I started my civilian life I was constantly on base. Then, along came COVID and the stupidity there, and The Summer Of Love, and I wasn't going on base much. And I got my carry license, and I got serious about guns.

And I will echo Sharon's words about MoMes. I met people who, among other similar views, liked guns and wanted to shoot them and enjoy them. And they're great folks, too. And, you will learn to appreciate all aspects of guns, even if you don't practice all of them.

Posted by: GWB at May 10, 2026 07:51 PM (kqD1O)

73 Ma Barker was no criminal mastermind: that was FBI propaganda to justify the killing of an old woman.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 10, 2026 07:51 PM (ZVgZ4)

74 For those interested in joining the 1911 club, Buds Gun Shop still has the "BUD'S EXCLUSIVE Tisas 1911-A1 Service Enhanced .45 ACP" on sale for $420.

5 inch barrel, big sights, Commander hammer with a beavertail grip safety, and a standard size thumb safety.

I picked one up. The trigger is decent, the finish on the frame frontstrap isn't slippery, and the shipping was included. All.in all, a.check of a deal.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 10, 2026 07:52 PM (mPEzV)

75 Ammo prices are set to rise in June.

As Sensei Weasel (PBUH) sonorously yet clangorously intones every class, "I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo."

There is iron in the words of Sensei Weasel for all Gub Thread readers to see.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:52 PM (0sNs1)

76 Ma Barker died January 16, 1935. She did go peacefully. Serious case of lead poisoning.
Posted by: Art Linkletter at May 10, 2026 07:49 PM (wAr5n)

And multiple instances of penetrative ballistic trauma followed by blood loss.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:52 PM (BCwQW)

77 Gunslinger, you made me laugh. Nothing would make me pose as a Canadian. I am under 5 ft tall so I have to think about someone trying to take the gun away so, yes, a belt bag, fanny pack idea would work. SRA Blaster had a couple of ideas that would work if I can figure out how to obtain CD9 like I used on that second target above. It is smaller and would be more,of a pocket gun.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:54 PM (kJmSS)

78 I grew up like you Lurking. I only shot upland birds and waterfowl with shotguns.

Only as an adult did I ever harvest a deer. (They sure are tasty. But then again, so are bacon-wrapped quail!)

However, my wife has my trusty ol' Remington 870 as the final layer of home defense.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 10, 2026 07:54 PM (HlyYF)

79 One of the first things my Dad taught me was why you had to handle firearms properly. He did the beer can and milk jug demo. Fill them up with water, then shoot them, then demonstrate what "hydrostatic shock" actually means. Little hole in front, big hole in back. And the beer can was demonstrated with a .22 pistol.

That helped me appreciate the science that goes with firearms.

Posted by: GWB at May 10, 2026 07:55 PM (kqD1O)

80 Ed@71
Got my wife a 357snubby (38special optional)
Hammerless (CA!) but a nice looking unit. Polished stainless, and quite handsome. It was tough to shoot. The trigger was a hard and long pull. Fundamentals? Sheee-it.
Granted, I didn’t practice with it a lot, but probably only good for a grab and pull scenario at close range in a crisis.

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 07:57 PM (HZfH/)

81 The only gun I want, a 12g bullpup, is covered by Spanberger’s ban. The others are Rossi R95 45-70 and an undetermined caliber bolt action.
I told my mom about my AR and she laughed. I am not sure why.
I don’t have a burning desire to actually shoot them, just to have them. Like putting E0 in my car.
Guns.com has LE trade ins. Are those a good choice for used guns? Are their certified guns worthwhile?

Posted by: Accomack at May 10, 2026 07:58 PM (wkU1F)

82 I think that a modern micro-9 like the SIG P365 or HK CC9 is easier to shoot than a classic snub nosed .38 like the Colt Detective Special.

This is truth. Even for a superior classic snub nosed .38 like the S&W 40, 42, 50, 60, 640, 940, 442, 642, 340Sc, 342Ti, and 340PD. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:59 PM (0sNs1)

83 Great review rhomboid!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 10, 2026 07:59 PM (2WIwB)

84 Sra blaster received a Coach purse for Mother's Day.

Her only instruction was it must be big enough to put my P365 in.

Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2026 07:59 PM (NlEaG)

85 I also want to remind folks of Ammo Squared. It's a way to dollar-cost-average your ammo needs with a subscription. It's like an ammo mutual fund. They hang onto your ammo until you want it shipped to you. You have control of what you buy and when you want it sent.

It's a great accompaniment to your other ammo-buying methods.

Oh, you can suspend your buying, too, if you get in a money bind or whatnot.

Posted by: GWB at May 10, 2026 07:59 PM (kqD1O)

86 Her only instruction was it must be big enough to put my P365 in.
Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2026 07:59 PM

How are you going to carry hers?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 08:01 PM (0sNs1)

87 Second because they are suing the manufacturer because a Glock was used in a shooting on a subway in NY.

"The utter failure of all our gun control laws just proves that we need more gun control laws."
-- Every Blue State

Posted by: Oddbob at May 10, 2026 08:02 PM (vTZFs)

88 Ma Barker died of a single gunshot wound, perhaps self-inflicted. Check out the links at the top.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 10, 2026 08:04 PM (ZVgZ4)

89 And multiple instances of penetrative ballistic trauma followed by blood loss.
Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:52 PM (BCwQW)

Ventilation

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 10, 2026 08:04 PM (T6aVk)

90 I was in the Army. Was not a good shooter. And while I liked guns I did not own any.

First firearm i purchased was Mossberg 590A1 after Columbine happened.

Then a Ruger P95 within a year. Shotgun and night stand gun.

That was it for a long time. Then I got a Keltec PF9 to carry but didn't. And I got one for Sra blaster for Valentine's Day. And then stuff happened and now there are a lot of guns at the bottom of the creek.

Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2026 08:06 PM (NlEaG)

91 My county, I believe, does not allow anything below a 38 for CCW carry. KKKalifornia, of course, but a rural county.

Under the "Shee-it, that ain't no real gun" legal principle. TX had that too for the first version of their CHL law but only for qualification.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 10, 2026 08:08 PM (vTZFs)

92 Sharon(again)@77
Please look at a Springfield 9mm subcompact. Mine is an XD9.
3” barrel, really nice and small but accurate, and as I mentioned, it helped me improve my shooting on the 45.
I can’t say enough good things about it.

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 08:09 PM (HZfH/)

93 Origin story - growing up, I shot 12ga and .410 shotguns hunting with my dad, but didn't much enjoy the experience because (1) cold, (2) not many pheasants in the field, and (3) did I mention cold? We had BB guns that we would use to plink cans, but nothing more serious than that.

Cut to a few years after we moved into this house, during a weekend when I was out of town with my daughter. My (late) wife was on a high dose of opioid pain meds, and somebody overheard her at Walgreens refilling her prescriptions and got our address. {cont}

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 10, 2026 08:11 PM (t2oSI)

94 {cont} The gentlemen who got our address jumped my neighbor's and my fence, broke in through the back door, rifled her purse to get the oxycodone there, and started up the stairs, where my wife and son were sleeping. Luckily, we had agreed to foster basset hounds and had five of them in the house at the time, and they descended the stairs like a long-eared, slobbering, angry waterfall towards the perp, who gave up on his second-story plans and un-assed the house with a quickness.

Had a 12ga in the bedroom since then, plus a couple of other handguns, until that fateful day we decided to try canoeing...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 10, 2026 08:11 PM (t2oSI)

95 Not the original I posted last week, but this might be how Weasel gets his Christmas trees, with a special cutting tool.

https://youtu.be/nfT_Dn2W22c

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 10, 2026 08:13 PM (qx7Zg)

96 93 and 94.
Yes. This what it’s all about.
Glad you’re prepared with…oars!

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 08:14 PM (HZfH/)

97
You don't want to come to Wyoming because it sucks.

Posted by: four seasons

The young lady whom I had the honor of taking to prom is now married and lives in the opposite corner of the state, near Sheridan. So Wyoming has that going for if. Your Congresswoman Harriet Hageman impresses me favorably as well.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at May 10, 2026 08:17 PM (xG4kz)

98 Started shooting in the Air Force as I had to be qualified for both the M-16 (we had old A1 models), and Model 15 Smith and Wesson revolver.

Later lived in student slums and had some odd neighbors requiring firearms for emergency use. Etc. Etc.

Grew up around firearms but never shot them much prior to Air Force.

Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:18 PM (E4rtv)

99 I've gotten hooked on using dots. The problem with the subcompacts is they can't take a dot. One of the reasons I like the Kimber CD9 is because it has a dot but still pretty small. The only problem is the 15 rd mag which makes it more complicated to purchase in MD. I shot that gun almost perfect from the first time I picked it up.Even one handed. But my Glock works too. But it would be nice to have both.🤠

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 08:18 PM (kJmSS)

100 100!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 10, 2026 08:18 PM (t2oSI)

101 85 I also want to remind folks of Ammo Squared. It's a way to dollar-cost-average your ammo needs with a subscription. It's like an ammo mutual fund. They hang onto your ammo until you want it shipped to you. You have control of what you buy and when you want it sent.

It's a great accompaniment to your other ammo-buying methods.

Oh, you can suspend your buying, too, if you get in a money bind or whatnot.
Posted by: GWB
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Interesting concept. Very useful for those with limited space to store ammo. Thanks.

Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:19 PM (E4rtv)

102
Wyoming is awesome.

We don't need people moving here who want to change our state.

Posted by: four seasons at May 10, 2026 08:20 PM (3ek7K)

103 This is truth. Even for a superior classic snub nosed .38 like the S&W 40, 42, 50, 60, 640, 940, 442, 642, 340Sc, 342Ti, and 340PD. ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 07:59 PM (0sNs1)

When buying that Detective Special 30 years ago, I had to choose between it and a S&W Model 36 (Chief's Special). I chose the Detective Special because 1) it fit my hand better w/ the rubber Pachmayr grips that came standard and 2) price. The Chief's Special was going for $325. The Detective Special had been discounted to $275.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:21 PM (BCwQW)

104 "Here's a sort-of fundamentals question; what caused you to take up shooting as a hobby?"

When I was 13 my father bought me a Ruger 10-22 and a Winchester M-1 carbine. He paid $40 for the carbine.

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 10, 2026 08:21 PM (yJcPp)

105 I renewed my Utah CC license this week. It was easily done online for $50. Had to watch a video which was actually quite interesting. Good info on storage options but also talked about what to do with your guns if you think someone having mental health issues might get access.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 08:22 PM (kJmSS)

106 A Glock 17 is concealable if you are built right and carry it right, though a 1911 is easier, but you carry what the boss says.

Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2026 08:23 PM (LHPAg)

107 My Springfield has dots! Good ones!
The fact that you mentioned you have a Kimber, leaves me impressed. I love mine, but it has no dots!
And I, here, am limited to 10 rounds. So I need to make them all count. In a crisis, hopefully only 2 will do…

Posted by: Gunslinger at May 10, 2026 08:23 PM (HZfH/)

108 82 I think that a modern micro-9 like the SIG P365 or HK CC9 is easier to shoot than a classic snub nosed .38 like the Colt Detective Special.

This is truth. Even for a superior classic snub nosed .38 like the S&W 40, 42, 50, 60, 640, 940, 442, 642, 340Sc, 342Ti, and 340PD. ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Depends on what you want to do. Semi Autos require attention to lubrication, proper wrist lock, and a necessity for failure drills being practices. Also prone to jamming at bad breath distance as a contact or close to contact shot will probably make it into a single shot if not very aware of it. Compact 9mms are often picky about ammo.

Small revolvers are harder to shoot as you have to executive proper trigger and grip fundamentals. But once you do that, you can basically shoot anything including rifles with iron sights. Not prone to jamming if you don't do stupid things like Bogarting the revolver closed, minimal manual of arms to operate, and you can fire out of pockets, close in, etc.

Best mix is either a 2.5 inch or 3 inch barrel for shootability and learn to shoot it double action. Also fires a mix of ammo with no problem including very low recoiling wadcutters.

Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:25 PM (E4rtv)

109 When I was 13 my father bought me a Ruger 10-22 and a Winchester M-1 carbine. He paid $40 for the carbine.
Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 10, 2026 08:21 PM (yJcPp)

Vintage M-1 carbines, even beat up examples with post-war parts from arsenal overhauls, are now in the $2k range. High condition examples from some of the less prolific manufacturers (Rock-Ola, National Postal Meter, IBM, etc.) are running into the $4k plus range nowadays. They're not priced as plinkers anymore.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:26 PM (BCwQW)

110 And for those with less handstrength, racking the slide (Smith and Wesson EZ excepted) on a striker fired can be tough for older folks with arthritis etc.

I've shot both and carried both for years. And if you drop down to 32 caliber, then the ancient 32 S&W Long is ballistically better than the 32 ACP. About the same ammo capacity but with semiwadcutters and wadcutters, you will get the penetration needed to about 15-18 inches or so with the S&W Long but 9-10 in 32 ACP. Neither one expands much at those velocities unless you can cast/swage your own 32 S&W revolver bullets.

Move up to the 32 H&R Magnum, very close to the 38 Special in ballistics but much less ammo choice for self defense bullets. Yet there are some. 32 H&R is basically the clone of the old cowboy 32-20 in ballistics in a much better case for reloading.

Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:30 PM (E4rtv)

111 While at the range, I was chatting with one of the guys and mentioned the 500 meter range and my first experience. I laughed because I was in awe of the guys hitting a steel plate @ 500 meters on the silhouette range. At the time, they were shooting at roughly 18" by 18" chunk of steel.

Fast forward to yesterday, I was checking my rifle scope, making sure elevations were right at various distance on the silhouette range. I went 8 for 8, 12" and 6" discs @ 200, 300, 400 and 500 meters.

Amazing what a little WeaselCoaching (tm) will do for one's ability to shoot accurately at long range.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 10, 2026 08:30 PM (UJMvS)

112 Ed L.
Aim Surplus had some M1-Underwood carbines for about $1200. Dunno about condition.

Basic issue with the M1 Carbines is age.

Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:31 PM (E4rtv)

113 Best mix is either a 2.5 inch or 3 inch barrel for shootability and learn to shoot it double action. Also fires a mix of ammo with no problem including very low recoiling wadcutters.
Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:25 PM (E4rtv)

Whig, I didn't figure out how to shoot a revolver in double action until I picked up an old Colt Python and figured out how to shoot it in double action first before returq

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:31 PM (BCwQW)

114 When the AF decided to go to “just in time” training to qualify me on the M9 just before deployment I decided to get the civilian version for my own practice purposes. I did not want to qualify on the M9; I wanted to master it before heading downrange. Hence the gun collection began.

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 10, 2026 08:32 PM (T6aVk)

115 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 08:32 PM (xcxpd)

116 Whig, I didn't figure out how to shoot a revolver in double action until I picked up an old Colt Python and figured out how to shoot it in double action first before returning to my Detective Special. I never learned how to shoot a revolver in double action in my Army days, so it took me a long time to teach myself how to do it.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:33 PM (BCwQW)

117 By the way, match a week ago, one of the guys shooting at the KYL rack put a round through a support leg. This is decent steel, not mild steel. 7 SAUM went through both legs easily at that distance. I honestly had no idea a rifle round could retain that much energy at that distance.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 10, 2026 08:33 PM (UJMvS)

118 Been lurking too long;
Started off with a lever action BB gun when I was in second grade. Loved it and shot many many bbs at imaginary injuns.
Ended up with my dad’s Ruger Mark II and became very proficient with that.
Then the collection grew and now they are mostly safe queens
I got to shoot some skeet last September which was the first time I had done that. Actually impressed myself with how well I did. I should be doing it again this coming September.

August last year I started getting numb in my right hand and it got worse over time. Determined to be a neck problem so had surgery last Monday. Will be laid up for a while. It’s all good though. Hoping to get back to shooting in a couple months.

Happy Mother’s Day to all the moron moms!

Thanks Weasel-San!

Posted by: Ten gallon hat at May 10, 2026 08:34 PM (LgSnl)

119
The UDMH acronym brought to mind UWTB -- Universal Will To Become -- the driving force behind Tralfamadorian technology in Vonnegut's "The Sirens of Titan".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at May 10, 2026 08:35 PM (xG4kz)

120 I did get to the range, after my road trip.

Road trip gun was my cheapest pistol, a PSA Dagger without optic and a kinda crappy IWB holster. But it was fine.

Yesterday, tested out my G19 with a new stipple job. The new stipple job is very 'grippy'. There is an aggressive undercut now and I did NOT have any Glock Knuckle pain. Weirdly recoil felt softer with the new stipple job. So that is just great.

I did have shots off to the left, but that might be the rear sight being off. I'll swap the slide with a PSA Dagger slide and see how accuracy is affected.

Still, a good day at the range with the Nurse.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 08:35 PM (xcxpd)

121 While at the range, I was chatting with one of the guys and mentioned the 500 meter range and my first experience. I laughed because I was in awe of the guys hitting a steel plate @ 500 meters on the silhouette range. At the time, they were shooting at roughly 18" by 18" chunk of steel.
Fast forward to yesterday, I was checking my rifle scope, making sure elevations were right at various distance on the silhouette range. I went 8 for 8, 12" and 6" discs @ 200, 300, 400 and 500 meters.
Amazing what a little WeaselCoaching (tm) will do for one's ability to shoot accurately at long range.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
***************
Congrats Blake. Great shooting. Which I hope to replicate in the not too distant future.....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at May 10, 2026 08:35 PM (cCn4/)

122 My Kimber 1911 custom is way too heavy for a carry. But it is my favorite gun to shoot. My Glock is a G48 with a holosun. I have small hands and it has the same grip as the 43x just a slightly longer barrel. The day I shot the targets above, I hit a small man target at 10 yds and hit center mass both two handed and one handed. It just works. So first I need to get MD CC license and then figure out if I can successfully conceal it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 08:36 PM (kJmSS)

123 Had a 12ga in the bedroom since then
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 10, 2026 08:11 PM (t2oSI)

I forgot my shotgun story....
I was in-between the Air Force and having a civilian job, living in Seattle (Puyallup, actually, after we moved out of the Army lodging on Ft Lewis), with my wife and a 6yo. And a couple of murderers broke out of a Colorado prison.

I had a couple of firearms, but they were still in baggage, awaiting me figuring out where to deliver them (IOW, where were we going to live). We were having our mail delivered to a service, and right next door was a sporting goods shop - a small place, but not badly stocked. They had a Mossberg on the wall that had two barrels - one (just over 18") for security and a longer one for hunting. And right after those guys broke out in Colorado, it was on sale for about $125 (IIRC). I grabbed it with what little money I had, and that became our apartment defense weapon. (That apartment was also where we experienced the Rattle In Seattle.) I didn't need to use it as they caught those miscreants and sent them back to prison shortly thereafter.

Posted by: GWB at May 10, 2026 08:36 PM (wcq2x)

124 Thanks Diogenes. As I told Weasel it's been a long dry spell where none of the new-to-me cigars merited a review. Sort of redundantly confirming my low-ability palate. We're talking very respected My Father stuff and others, all of note. Oh well.

Onward I ride, meter running, ever dutiful, trying everything appealing that I can find, entirely for the common good ....

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:37 PM (U/Byj)

125 I see I didn't mention the distance. The KYL rack was sitting @ 1025 yards.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 10, 2026 08:37 PM (UJMvS)

126 112 Ed L.
Aim Surplus had some M1-Underwood carbines for about $1200. Dunno about condition.

Basic issue with the M1 Carbines is age.
Posted by: whig at May 10, 2026 08:31 PM (E4rtv)

Especially the springs. If you can get it reliable, it is a shockingly accurate and handy tool

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 08:38 PM (xcxpd)

127 Ed L, curious about your snub-nose accuracy journey. At what range do you assess your accuracy?

I don't carry but my Colt Magnum Carry shoots fairly well. Obviously a different ergonomic exercise than larger semis, but if I focus, only divergence is usually vertical (bit low, not terribly).

Assuming we're talking double action only here.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:38 PM (U/Byj)

128 Blake, what were the sizes on the KYL?

Posted by: RI Red at May 10, 2026 08:39 PM (jkyX4)

129 Random career notice - Smith & Wesson in Maryville, TN posted an opening three days ago for a "Shooter."

Scope of job: Perform live-fire test and evaluation of all Smith & Wesson firing barrels, actions, and/or fully-functioning firearms using either a shooting fixture or range setting.

Full time gig. I imagine some among the Horde might be qualified. Details on their careers website.

Caveat emptor, yadda yadda yadda...

Posted by: TRex - job finder dino at May 10, 2026 08:39 PM (cCn4/)

130 I was scared of guns most of my life. As kids, my brother and I couldn't even have toy weapons, the closest thing we had was an inflatable lightsaber. Never even touched a firearm til I was almost 40 years old. Started thinking about buying one after hanging out here for a few years, because I didn't want to be defenseless against criminals and the government (BIRM).

Finally decided to pull the trigger (pun intended) after the 2020 election. Asked my buddy D to go to the gun store with me because I knew she'd been a finance officer in the Army and was comfortable with firearms. They wisely advised me to sign up for a class before making a purchase. D and I took 2 classes together. Bought my P365 on December 1, 2020. At the time I figured it would be the only gun I'd ever own.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 10, 2026 08:41 PM (0SdQT)

131 Haven't checked either end of this situation, but I'd imagine the more decent condition real M1 carbine prices now equal/exceed the price of the new Inland repros, and the Auto Ordnance repros (for a while in the latter case).

I'm happy with my 1943 Quality Hardware and Auto Ordnance (I think 1993 production?). Latter has been fine, none of the early manufacturing issues apparently afflict this one. And though the company insists it's not USGI parts, so far no issue - the bolt tool works on it just fine, and have had no need for spares yet.

The boss loves the little M1. I shield myself from almost all gun market developments, but at a match last week was rather taken by the S&W 9mm PCC. Think it's lighter than Ruger's. Thinking it would make a good home defense tool for both of us.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:42 PM (U/Byj)

132 ...
Depends on what you want to do. Semi Autos require attention to lubrication, proper wrist lock, and a necessity for failure drills being practices. Also prone to jamming at bad breath distance as a contact or close to contact shot will probably make it into a single shot if not very aware of it. Compact 9mms are often picky about ammo.

Small revolvers are harder to shoot as you have to executive proper trigger and grip fundamentals. But once you do that, you can basically shoot anything including rifles with iron sights. Not prone to jamming if you don't do stupid things like Bogarting the revolver closed, minimal manual of arms to operate, and you can fire out of pockets, close in, etc.

Best mix is either a 2.5 inch or 3 inch barrel for shootability and learn to shoot it double action. Also fires a mix of ammo with no problem including very low recoiling wadcutters.
Posted by whig

Eh. Revolvers are not great and when they go wrong they really are hard to remediate. They are better for contact-range shooting but if you aren't concerned about that, a small auto is much better across the board.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 08:43 PM (xcxpd)

133 g'night everyone!

& thanks, as always, Weasel!

(I'll watch those 1911 videos tomorrow)

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 10, 2026 08:43 PM (VyBeY)

134 Ed L, curious about your snub-nose accuracy journey. At what range do you assess your accuracy?

I don't carry but my Colt Magnum Carry shoots fairly well. Obviously a different ergonomic exercise than larger semis, but if I focus, only divergence is usually vertical (bit low, not terribly).

Assuming we're talking double action only here.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:38 PM (U/Byj)

Usually 10 yards. I'll drop to 7 if can't get a decent group at 10. For one handed shooting, I'll start at 7 and push to 10 if I'm doing OK at 7, which isn't all of the time.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:44 PM (BCwQW)

135 Blake, what were the sizes on the KYL?
Posted by: RI Red at May 10, 2026 08:39 PM (jkyX4)
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Standard, 12", 10", 8", 6", 4" and 2.5".

I went 3 for 5 on the rack. Technically 4 for 5, but, I hit the 10" plate twice. Hit to move, by the way.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 10, 2026 08:45 PM (UJMvS)

136 129 Random career notice - Smith & Wesson in Maryville, TN posted an opening three days ago for a "Shooter."

Scope of job: Perform live-fire test and evaluation of all Smith & Wesson firing barrels, actions, and/or fully-functioning firearms using either a shooting fixture or range setting.

Full time gig. I imagine some among the Horde might be qualified. Details on their careers website.

Caveat emptor, yadda yadda yadda...
Posted by: TRex - job finder dino at May 10, 2026 08:39 PM (cCn4/)

MAN....I want that job.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 08:45 PM (xcxpd)

137 Dang, a job as a "shooter" for S&W? Could think of worse gigs.

Still might look into possibilities as an RSO at the SEALs' new-ish range down on the Strand. Associates tell me the RSOs are all civilians. But I'm guessing their former SEALs. We'll see.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:45 PM (U/Byj)

138 When buying that Detective Special 30 years ago, I had to choose between it and a S&W Model 36 (Chief's Special). I chose the Detective Special because 1) it fit my hand better w/ the rubber Pachmayr grips that came standard and 2) price. The Chief's Special was going for $325. The Detective Special had been discounted to $275.
Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:21 PM

What????? I was expecting the 6 rounds vs. 5 comeback. :-D

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 08:46 PM (0sNs1)

139 but at a match last week was rather taken by the S&W 9mm PCC. Think it's lighter than Ruger's. Thinking it would make a good home defense tool for both of us.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:42 PM (U/Byj)

Rhomboid, that is my trunk gun. Great carrying case that doesn’t look like it could be carrying a carbine. It takes most S&W mags, and carries 2 23-rounders in the stock. Simple blow-back design, and is super out to 50+ yards with a red dot.
Highly recommend.

Posted by: RI Red at May 10, 2026 08:47 PM (Edxq2)

140 Thinking about this some more, what aspects appeal to you the most? The challenges such as precision and accuracy? The combination of mechanical skills and art? The camaraderie of other shooters? The smell of gunpowder in the morning?

The fact that I am too old and slow for a knife fight anymore.

Posted by: toby928(c) at May 10, 2026 08:47 PM (4NO2D)

141 Ed L I usually also use 10 yds, though since it's a snub, I also do 5-7 yds. The boss likes the S&W Model 60, but I can't get her to use double action. She's pretty swift, and accurage, with single action. It has a CrimsonTrace so accuracy is pretty good. Definitely a "last ditch" home defense sort of tool.

For last ditch defense I prefer the CIWS, but damn the cost of ammo. And the neighbors wouldn't love it either.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:48 PM (U/Byj)

142 Bought my P365 on December 1, 2020. At the time I figured it would be the only gun I'd ever own.
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 10, 2026 08:41 PM

And now look at you! Blasting the biggest hole in the target of everyone at the TxMoMe!!

* sniff *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 08:48 PM (0sNs1)

143 81 The only gun I want, a 12g bullpup, is covered by Spanberger’s ban. The others are Rossi R95 45-70 and an undetermined caliber bolt action.
I told my mom about my AR and she laughed. I am not sure why.
I don’t have a burning desire to actually shoot them, just to have them. Like putting E0 in my car.
Guns.com has LE trade ins. Are those a good choice for used guns? Are their certified guns worthwhile?
Posted by: Accomack at May 10, 2026 07:58 PM (wkU1F)

I've bought several LE tradein guns. They are very good deals. I've only used guns.com once and it was a painless process to buy and ship to my FFL for background checks and fees.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 08:49 PM (xcxpd)

144 RI Red thanks. I mean, damn you. Now I'll have to seriously look into it. Yeah I'd forgotten the folding stock, love that feature.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:50 PM (U/Byj)

145 Yeah I'd forgotten the folding stock, love that feature.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:50 PM

Don't forget the thingie that goes up, and the chainsaw bayonet.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 08:51 PM (0sNs1)

146 What????? I was expecting the 6 rounds vs. 5 comeback. :-D
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 10, 2026 08:46 PM (0sNs1)

That Detective Special was only the second gun I ever purchased, so I didn't really know much about the Colt vs. S&W thing at the time. BTW, I still have that Detective Special to this day.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 08:53 PM (BCwQW)

147 The only LE trade-in I have is a CZ-83 in 380ACP. A trade-in in Europe, that is. Love it. Liked it so much I bought one of the last CZ-83s made, which I stumbled across at a local store. Special final run for some American distributor, years ago. Function checked, lubed, and put away. Only unfired gun I have.

But I did whine and suffer over the years at LE trade-in deals at AIM or J&G that I couldn't pounce on due to the idiotic CA handgun roster.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:54 PM (U/Byj)

148 Slow night, what with all the Mother's Day celebrations and what not. Do you all want to talk about blowing up Iran? Who thinks, at a minimum, we should be dropping power lines and letting the IRGC consider their life-choices in the dark?

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 08:56 PM (1S3fY)

149 Well Weasel, since you axxed ......

Actually my preference is for the next phase to be a direct forcing of the Strait by destroying Iran's ability to materially interfere there. I think that's feasible. In so doing, we'd be eliminating Iran's last bit of leverage, their last "card", while simultaneously showcasing how "you don't want to f**k with us when we're serious".

Operations to continue degrading their missile force (including its industrial base) and to hit leadership would also obviously be on the menu.

But to hedge against the risk of regime survival (which would be a disaster), eliminating their last important tool would be important.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:03 PM (U/Byj)

150 Slow night, what with all the Mother's Day celebrations and what not. Do you all want to talk about blowing up Iran? Who thinks, at a minimum, we should be dropping power lines and letting the IRGC consider their life-choices in the dark?
Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 08:56 PM (1S3fY)

I like the idea of stealing guns and ammo from the Chinese military, and dropping them into Iran for the rebels. Likely use the same ammo as the IRGC, and pisses off their leadership.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 10, 2026 09:03 PM (qx7Zg)

151 Rhomboid, I’ve done a few IDPA matches with. Crazy easy to maneuver and laughably accurate at 25 yards and under.
Warning: buy beau coupe ammo, because it’s way too easy to shoot a lot.
And there is hardly any recoil. The fairer sex loves it, and the red dot makes it plain easy.

Posted by: RI Red at May 10, 2026 09:05 PM (jkyX4)

152 Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:03 PM (U/Byj)
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The reality on the ground may preclude this, but I've been wondering about carpet bombing the Bandar Abbas area.

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 09:06 PM (PVV5z)

153 Do you all want to talk about blowing up Iran? Who thinks, at a minimum, we should be dropping power lines and letting the IRGC consider their life-choices in the dark?
Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 08:56 PM (1S3fY)

The USN should run a repeat of "Operation Pocket Money," i.e. the mining of Haiphong Harbor to completely choke off all of Iran's ports (Char Bahar, Bushehr, Kharg Island, etc.). If the IRGC can mine the Strait of Hormuz, two can play at that game. Some 11,000 plus conventional bombs fitted with magnetic sensors vice conventional fuzes brought traffic in and out Haiphong Harbor to a total standstill. The bombs sat on the bottom, waiting for ships to pass overhead before detonating.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 09:08 PM (BCwQW)

154 Obviously there are phone-book thick contingency plans for all kinds of Hormuz-related operations, many of them updated for many years now. Equally obviously I don't get to peruse them (what's up with that?).

But as with most of these topics, most of what's important is publicly known and/or liable to analysis without all the secret info.

Force the Strait via convoys, when they light up, light them up. We have persistent 24/7 surveillance and strike capability now that didn't exist 20 years ago. Their FACs have to traverse a fair distance to engage - they should be vaporized long before they get that far. And don't just react - pre-empt everything you can see. Relentlessly. Very difficult to end *all* hostile activity, not at all impossible to degrade it to the nuisance level.

And then the regime sits there, with ineffectual (and declining) missile attacks on the region, the IRGC getting harvested from street check-points to senior leadership, helpless, as the blockade/financial vise grind them down.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:08 PM (U/Byj)

155 And now look at you! Blasting the biggest hole in the target of everyone at the TxMoMe!!

* sniff *
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Only because of your coaching!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 10, 2026 09:09 PM (0SdQT)

156 RI Red, thanks. Yeah I saw that PCC at a handgun match a week ago. Seemed simplicity itself to operate.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:10 PM (U/Byj)

157 Going to sign off. Been watching this show on Apple TV called Slow Horses. Pretty exciting spy series set in Great Britain. Weird how ritish and Australian TV is so superior to here but they suck otherwise.
Have great week all.
Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 09:11 PM (kJmSS)

158 OK, all y'all. 9:13pm thank you time.

Thank you!

I appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 09:13 PM (PVV5z)

159 Ed L, thanks, I forgot that part

Mining. I mentioned this to people weeks ago, referencing the Haiphong experience. Which besides forgotten is not generally appreciated. North Vietnamese memoirs and interviews showed that at that point, they were desperate, and figured the game was up.

Ditto here. Mine every relevant port. Pre-empt every known/suspected FAC facility. Have a cordon of UUV and USV surveillance/strike assets along key corridors. In the context of overall surveillance, engage leakers with Apaches, A-10s, or other assets.

The enemy might get some licks in. But they can't sustain a campaign, that's the key.

I really don't see any alternative to something like this, the regime has clearly decided they'll tough it out (of course). Which is good in that it will force the US to actually do what's needed. Which is not *any* kind of "agreement" or "deal", regardless of the details. Impossible to believe Trump/inner circle haven't realized this from the start. Which makes this the longest running and most interesting int'l kabuki I can recall.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:15 PM (U/Byj)

160 Gotta go! Best to all. I’ll report in.
Eventually.

Posted by: RI Red at May 10, 2026 09:15 PM (Zlv72)

161 Thanks Weasel as ever for gubs.

Classiest thread of the week.

And only one with the faint sweet aroma of burned gunpowder.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:16 PM (U/Byj)

162 Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 09:16 PM (U/Byj)
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Thanks bro!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 09:18 PM (PVV5z)

163 Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 08:56 PM (1S3fY)

The other plus about mining is you don't even have to lay mines in order for the mines to have an effect. Just talk about laying the mines, and the other guy has to think about whether he needs to look for them or not. The primary US mines are the Quickstrike series (converted Mk-82, Mk-83, and Mk-84 general purpose bombs) and CAPTOR series, which are obsolete torpedoes (Mk-37 or Mk-46) tethered to the bottom. The torpedoes activate and make attack runs on their targets when the acoustic signatures programed into them are matched by something moving nearby.

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 09:19 PM (BCwQW)

164 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 09:22 PM (BCwQW)

165 I went to a1000yd competition last week with my tikka hunting rifle and a 1-8lpvo hunting scope and came dead last.
That makes it sound like the morning was less fun than it was. I had a blast.

Posted by: Nato at May 10, 2026 09:23 PM (74cob)

166 Posted by: Nato at May 10, 2026 09:23 PM (74cob)
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That's the spirit! Keep working at it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 09:25 PM (1S3fY)

167 Here is my thoughts on Iran. I am not 100% sold in the need to have done Iran at this time. But I don't know what I don't know.

But, once started we need to win it. Starting a fight and losing is bad. Very bad.

So yeah drop everything. Power lines water treatment dams oil refineries.

Everything.

Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2026 09:26 PM (NlEaG)

168 OK, I have to be up early so I'm going to wrangle the doggos and head to bed. Hope you all have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2026 09:27 PM (1S3fY)

169 U.S. needs to be rewarding Iranian leadership for narcing on Iranian leadership.

See Venezuela for example.

Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2026 09:28 PM (NlEaG)

170 Thanks Weasel

Hug the dogs

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 09:28 PM (xcxpd)

171 I am not even sure you could call Ma Barker a 'handsome' woman.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2026 09:28 PM (bss/y)

172 If I wanted .30 M1 carbine performance in a modern fiearm, I'd look at the .300 Blackout cartridge. Poking around the internet, I see that Ruger is offering the Mini-14 in .300 BO, which sort of brings the carbine cycle full circle.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 10, 2026 09:29 PM (mPEzV)

173 Thanks, Weasel.
Thanks, Horde.

Posted by: GWB at May 10, 2026 09:33 PM (wcq2x)

174 Anyone have a strong opinion on MagTech ammo? I have a few boxes (.44 Magnum and .44 Special) but haven't shot enough to notice a trend....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2026 09:41 PM (iERP6)

175 172 If I wanted .30 M1 carbine performance in a modern fiearm, I'd look at the .300 Blackout cartridge. Poking around the internet, I see that Ruger is offering the Mini-14 in .300 BO, which sort of brings the carbine cycle full circle.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 10, 2026 09:29 PM (mPEzV)

Supersonic .300 blk is more powerful than .30 carbine.
Subsonic is slightly less powerful.

I would love to try a 4.5 pound .300 blk build.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 09:42 PM (xcxpd)

176 174 Anyone have a strong opinion on MagTech ammo? I have a few boxes (.44 Magnum and .44 Special) but haven't shot enough to notice a trend....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 10, 2026 09:41 PM (iERP6)

The .38 special Magtech I have is extremely dirty ammo.
But I've also bought 9mm and .45 Magtech that did not seem any worse than Federal or S&B.

I say if you find a good deal on it, buy it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 10, 2026 09:44 PM (xcxpd)

177 Iran: We will decisively if the WH will let the JCS run the war. Of course that hasn’t happened since the big WW Eleven.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at May 10, 2026 09:47 PM (23/y9)

178 .32 ACP may not be the best carry choice today, but I think it's still great as learning tool and as a range toy. The old Beretta Model 81 Cheetah...
Posted by: Ed L at May 10, 2026 07:30 PM (BCwQW)

I prefer the 30x Tomcat. It's a REALLY nice little micro.
And shot placement is ALWAYS key - even with a .45.

Posted by: GWB at May 10, 2026 09:48 PM (wcq2x)

179 131 "Haven't checked either end of this situation, but I'd imagine the more decent condition real M1 carbine prices now equal/exceed the price of the new Inland repros, and the Auto Ordnance repros (for a while in the latter case).

I'm happy with my 1943 Quality Hardware...."

Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2026 08:42 PM (U/Byj)

I have two M1 carbines: Winchester, Quality Hardware Machine Corp. The have always run fine.

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 10, 2026 09:49 PM (yJcPp)

180 I told my mom about my AR and she laughed. I am not sure why.
I don’t have a burning desire to actually shoot them, just to have them. Like putting E0 in my car.
Guns.com has LE trade ins. Are those a good choice for used guns? Are their certified guns worthwhile?
Posted by: Accomack
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>> I told my mom about my AR and she laughed.

Mom sports a battle rifle.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 10, 2026 09:51 PM (/lPRQ)

181 >> I told my mom about my AR and she laughed.

Mom sports a battle rifle.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 10, 2026 09:51 PM (/lPRQ)

Probably has a Ma Deuce and knows how to use it.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 10, 2026 09:56 PM (qx7Zg)

182 Several states are trying to ban Glocks. Today I saw that a group is suing Glock because they say a Glock 17 is concealable. This is amusing on several levels. First a Glock 17 is not easily concealable. Second because they are suing the manufacturer because a Glock was used in a shooting on a subway in NY. Like because they make guns, they are responsible for everyone that shoots one committing a crime.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 10, 2026 07:29 PM (kJmSS)

The lawyers bringing these suits are getting paid by somebody. They"re not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2026 09:56 PM (utfVc)

183 Amusing every year to see Ma Barker.

Fans of $crooge McDuck comics will recognize her as the model for Ma Beagle of the notorious Beagle Boys.

Which you knew first, Barker or Beagle, may depend on your upbringing.😁

Posted by: mindful webworker - beagles, barkers, and beasties at May 10, 2026 10:00 PM (Cl/mc)

184 ONT is up

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