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MORNING RANT: There’s a Growing Preference Cascade for More Red States to Revoke the ABA’s Monopoly on Law School Accreditation

Among the most powerful institutions captured by the left is the American Bar Association, with its monopoly power on law school accreditation. Until very recently, a degree from an ABA-accredited law school was necessary in all 50 states to be able to take the bar exam. Concurrently, the ABA had become radically left-wing, imposing its agenda on law schools. For instance, to maintain accreditation, the ABA had imposed a requirement that law schools demonstrate a commitment to diversity and inclusion, with statistical proof that its faculty and student bodies were diverse with respect to gender, race, and ethnicity.

As I documented at The American Spectator, Texas and Florida recently ended the ABA’s monolithic power, at least in those two states, and that the action of the two big red states should be a spark for other red states to follow suit. Specifically, ”The liberation of Texas and Florida law schools from mandatory, ABA-enforced woke orthodoxy is a major milestone. Other conservative states should quickly follow suit, helping accelerate the nullification of the ABA’s authority into a broad preference cascade.”

That preference cascade appears to be under way. The bright red state of Tennessee may be the next to defenestrate the ABA.

The Tennessee Supreme Court recently reached out to the Federal Trade Commission, seeking advice regarding the state’s reliance on the monopoly accrediting agency. Joined by the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee, the FTC has just assertively advocated for revoking the ABA’s monopoly in the state.

“FTC Urges Tennessee Supreme Court to Oppose the ABA’s Law School Accreditation Monopoly” [FTC Press Release – 5/01/2026]

Federal Trade Commission staff urged the Tennessee Supreme Court yesterday to open law school accreditation to competition by reducing its reliance on the American Bar Association (ABA) in determining which law schools provide sufficient education for their graduates to take the Tennessee bar examination. The letter was joined by the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee and officials at the Department of Justice, Antitrust Division.

Responding to the court’s invitation to comment on whether it should “modify, reduce, or eliminate” its reliance on the ABA, the letter recommended reforms to the current process.

Here is a link to the full FTC letter, which is also signed by Braden Boucek, the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee.

While I’m not sure there should even be accrediting agencies – bar exam results should be the proof of whether a law school is doing its job well – I can state with authority that the imprimatur of the ABA should be considered a demerit for a law school. The American Bar Association is so comically partisan that when Joe Biden tweeted that the 28th Amendment (“Equal Rights Amendment” was now the law of the land, the ABA lent its support, urging ”all bar associations and the legal community as a whole to support implementation of the ERA” in accordance with Biden’s tweet.

Every red state governor needs to start being asked what actions are necessary in his or her state to eliminate the ABA’s accreditation monopoly, and to be pressed for a deadline to get it done. The preference cascade against the ABA is picking up speed, and it should soon be a badge of shame for any red state to still allow the ABA to retain control over its law schools.


[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM




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1 There is a distinct lack of monkey today.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at May 04, 2026 11:00 AM (O7YUW)

2 Hi everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 04, 2026 11:01 AM (/c5rf)

3 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

4 SPONGE!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 04, 2026 11:02 AM (skR0U)

5 'Shouldn't we turn on the lights?!'

'No. That's just what they'll be expecting us to do.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:02 AM (bss/y)

6 One has to wonder why we permit this sort of stuff to continue. The ABA isn't a governmental entity anyway.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 11:02 AM (jehhT)

7 There's a reason that the government is full of lawyers.

Both create very little and exist to re-destribute wealth while taking a cut for themselves.

Posted by: Proudvastrightwingguy at May 04, 2026 11:03 AM (MNCvZ)

8 Seems every lawyer these days is a Leftist

Posted by: Skip at May 04, 2026 11:03 AM (/c5rf)

9 Not a lawyer but even as an undergrad in Econ in the '80s I knew the ABA was biased trash.
It hasn't changed.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 04, 2026 11:04 AM (8CTam)

10 I'm envisioning Congressional hearings on this topic. I'd put Brandon Gill in charge of the questioning to the ABA suits. Start with:

BG: Is the ABA politically neutral, or does it have a partisan bias? Is so, which way?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:04 AM (Riz8t)

11 Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 04, 2026 11:02 AM (skR0U)



*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

12 BG: Is the ABA politically neutral, or does it have a partisan bias? Is so, which way?

IOW, make the own it. If they deny it (they will) bring the receipts to humiliate them.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:05 AM (Riz8t)

13 Love the double-headed sledge-hammer AI gave the three-handed FL character.

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM (TezPK)

14 I have strong feeling about the thing.

Posted by: Don Black at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM (ZxPkt)

15 6 One has to wonder why we permit this sort of stuff to continue. The ABA isn't a governmental entity anyway.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 11:02 AM (jehhT)

People like to believe that there is order. A group who measures and supposedly rules on whether a company or group meets a standard (whatever that is.) People use that to determine 'Well, what do I believe' because it frees them from having to do their own research. See, someone else did the research (in a non biased manner.) I can 'trust' them.

It is one thing the leftists learned particularly well: in a high trust society, if you can capture the reliable institutions mentioned above and turn them to your own ends, then people will continue to believe in them (at least for a while) even if they are obviously captured.

See SPLC, NAACP, Courts, BBB, etc etc etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM (bss/y)

16 There is a distinct lack of monkey today.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant

Buck generally doesn't use monkeys.

But I'd bet that'd change if he could find a picture of a monkey playing an upright bass.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM (77rzZ)

17 LOL at the AI fuckup in your pic, Buck.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (utfVc)

18 While we're at it, let's do away with the law school requirement altogether.

One year of torts, contracts, property, criminal law, legal writing and research, and trial advocacy teams (coached by actual practitioners), followed by a few weeks of intensive study with a bar review course is all you need.

Of course, you shouldn't bother with any of the foregoing unless you can make 150+ on the LSAT. Don't use the LSAT as a barrier to entry, just a red flag that some people are wasting their time.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (GD2xa)

19 Just more evidence that liberalism sucks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

20 13 Love the double-headed sledge-hammer AI gave the three-handed FL character.
Posted by: Joe Mama at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM (TezPK)

He's Darth Maul (LOL) in disguise.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (bss/y)

21 Willowed:

Why on earth is there a taxpayer funded waterpark?

I mean, I just had a colonoscopy and may still be high on propofol, but WTF?
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 04, 2026 11:01 AM (0SdQT)

"Epic Waters, an 80,000-square-foot space, opened in 2017 as a city-owned events park for Grand Prairie residents.

The waterpark cost taxpayers $88 million, and was funded by a quarter-cent sales tax on Grand Prairie residents, which was approved by voters in 2014, according to the Dallas Morning News.

The Muslim-only event in June is being organized and run by the East Plano Islamic Center."

>Hope you butt-scope went okay and they find nothing to be alarmed about.

Posted by: one hour sober at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (Y1sOo)

22 19 Just more evidence that liberalism sucks.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

Call them what they are- Pinko Commie Scum.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:08 AM (bss/y)

23 The statement that ABA accreditation is a prerequisite to take a bar exam is not fully correct. In Tennessee, one can take the bar exam after graduation from the Nashville School of Law (formerly the YMCA Law School) and it is not ABA accredited. Some other states don't even require a law degree; you can "read for the law" under the supervision of licensed attorney and then sit for the bar exam. I know Virginia at least used to allow reading for the law. I recall that was the path Kim Kardashian took to sit for the CA bar exam.

Posted by: Martin Tell at May 04, 2026 11:09 AM (PxCem)

24 But I'd bet that'd change if he could find a picture of a monkey playing an upright bass.

Ask and ye shall receive.

https://is.gd/P3yhgE

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:09 AM (Riz8t)

25 LOL at the AI fuckup in your pic, Buck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (utfVc)


He as 2 hammers!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

26 The Tennessee Supreme Court recently reached out to the Federal Trade Commission, seeking advice regarding the state’s reliance on the monopoly accrediting agency.

What? SO CLOSE TO PRIDE MONTH!?

Posted by: NR Pax at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (svLOV)

27 Are there ANY alternatives to the ABA?

I know there are different layers of accreditation for higher education.

For instance the HLC accredits the university I work for as a whole, but different groups accredit the individual programs (e.g., ABET accredits our engineering programs).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (gnNyN)

28 I have strong feeling about the thing.
Posted by: Don Black

What are your feelings about the other thing?

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (77rzZ)

29 Well the ABA has a miserable track record on suggesting (or rejecting) Supreme Court nominees. Take ABA out of the justice loop.

Posted by: Eromero at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (LHPAg)

30 Call them what they are- Pinko Commie Scum.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:08 AM (bss/y)


Valid.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

31 The waterpark cost taxpayers $88 million, and was funded by a quarter-cent sales tax on Grand Prairie residents, which was approved by voters in 2014, according to the Dallas Morning News.

The Muslim-only event in June is being organized and run by the East Plano Islamic Center."

Hire an airplane to swoop low over the event, and dump a load of chicharones.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (utfVc)

32 Bar exam results don't necessarily reflect well on a law school. Students highly likely to pass the bar, regardless of who teaches them the law and how, will self-select into certain law schools.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:11 AM (GD2xa)

33 The ABA is a complete left wing front group and has been for at least the last 30 years. I resigned when they started requiring an abortion loyalty oath.

Posted by: Martin Tell at May 04, 2026 11:11 AM (PxCem)

34 Florida guy has two sledgehammers. Florida reaaaallly hates the ABA.

Posted by: Heroq at May 04, 2026 11:11 AM (c3Uld)

35 LOL at the AI fuckup in your pic, Buck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (utfVc)


He as 2 hammers!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

***

It's a follow-on to the art today. That's John Henry.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 04, 2026 11:11 AM (2WIwB)

36 33 The ABA is a complete left wing front group and has been for at least the last 30 years. I resigned when they started requiring an abortion loyalty oath.
Posted by: Martin Tell at May 04, 2026 11:11 AM (PxCem)

That is a tell of institutional capture.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:12 AM (bss/y)

37 The ABA is a complete left wing front group and has been for at least the last 30 years. I resigned when they started requiring an abortion loyalty oath.

Pffffft. Next thing, you'll be telling me the SPLC isn't a bunch of straight shooters.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (Riz8t)

38 37 Pffffft. Next thing, you'll be telling me the SPLC isn't a bunch of straight shooters.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (Riz8t)

======

Eh.

Bunch of leftists directly funding National Socialists?

What's crooked about that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (Y2NSe)

39 BG: Is the ABA politically neutral, or does it have a partisan bias? Is so, which way?
Posted by: Archimedes
__________

They invited Clinton to speak at an ABA conference even after his license was suspended.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (XvL8K)

40 I get that you are happy to see this Buck, but isn't the ABA still in charge of devising and administering the Bar exams, as well as disciplinary processes for the various state bar associations?

In other words, law schools may be throwing off their shackles, or starting to, but isn't it true that lawyers themselves are still in total thrall to the ABA?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (NIwpn)

41 27 Are there ANY alternatives to the ABA?

I know there are different layers of accreditation for higher education.

For instance the HLC accredits the university I work for as a whole, but different groups accredit the individual programs (e.g., ABET accredits our engineering programs).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 04, 2026 11:10 AM (gnNyN)
Yes, I suggest qualified Moron lawyers deciding cases and picking candidates for judge positions. They can conduct their legal functions in a real bar.

Posted by: Eromero at May 04, 2026 11:14 AM (LHPAg)

42
Sorry
OT before I split
there's a disco ball orbiting the planet

https://tinyurl.com/2yutzwsb

Posted by: Don Black at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (ZxPkt)

43 Mamma mia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (AvxYT)

44 43 Mamma mia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (AvxYT)

======

Here we go again...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (Y2NSe)

45 The ABA is a complete left wing front group and has been for at least the last 30 years. I resigned when they started requiring an abortion loyalty oath.
Posted by: Martin Tell at May 04, 2026 11:11 AM (PxCem)


Brandon Gill asking that broad the other day about which was her favorite abortion method was kinda epic.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)

46 Seems every lawyer these days is a Leftist
Posted by: Skip at May 04, 2026 11:03 AM

*polite cough*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (Hq3hB)

47 Sometimes someone describes something absolutely perfectly. This guy did that for the Dems like Matt Iglesias who are endorsing Platner, but it could just as easily be about the ABA.

The Platner tattoo story isn’t about Platner.

It's about the people who spent years calling everyone on the Right a Nazi for the slightest association, only to line up like rank-and-file partisans behind a Democratic Senate candidate who wore a literal SS Totenkopf tattoo for 18 years.

It's a story about how years and years of moral indignation from the Very Serious People™ class proved to be a paper-thin veneer over your team jerseys.

https://is.gd/9KB8Y8

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Riz8t)

48 45 Brandon Gill asking that broad the other day about which was her favorite abortion method was kinda epic.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)

=====

That dude strikes me as having a future like a combination of Dan Crenshaw and Matt Gaetz.

I hope I'm wrong and he's straight and true, but I've seen so many promising R House reps go simply nuts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Y2NSe)

49 Mamma mia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (AvxYT)



Baby's go the diarrhea.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

50 *got

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

51 quarter-cent sales tax on Grand Prairie residents,

-

I hate when sales tax increases after framed this way. Oh it’s a quarter of a cent? No biggie bro. Sure I’ll vote for it.

No it’s not a quarter of a cent it’s a quarter PERCENT. As in $2.50 extra to the state for every $1000 you spend. In perpetuity.

Posted by: Heroq at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (c3Uld)

52 States could chuck the multi state bar exam as well.

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (w3u3d)

53 Eh.

Bunch of leftists directly funding National Socialists?

What's crooked about that?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (Y2NSe)

Seems on brand really.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (bss/y)

54
I hope I'm wrong and he's straight and true, but I've seen so many promising R House reps go simply nuts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Y2NSe)


There were rumors of him being fake MAGA during the primaries, but he's been pretty solid thus far.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)

55 When I was much younger and living in Miami, local lawyer Sandy d'Alemberte twice served as ABA Big Cheese, and I blame him for implementing the DEI stuff during the Clinton Regime. He was a total asshat about that stuff.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (NIwpn)

56 53 Eh.

Bunch of leftists directly funding National Socialists?

What's crooked about that?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (Y2NSe)

Seems on brand really.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (bss/y)

======

The SPLC defended Nazis in Illinois because they agreed with them.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (Y2NSe)

57 Many states use a Multistate Bar Exam (multiple choice in my day) produced by the National Conference of Bar Examiners. I don't see any direct affiliation between them and the ABA, although there is probably significant overlap.

The remainder of state bar exams are state-specific essay questions produced by that state's bar examiners.

The ABA has no direct involvement.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (GD2xa)

58 Brandon Gill asking that broad the other day about which was her favorite abortion method was kinda epic.

Yup. He seems to have no time for the usual "my friends across the aisle" nonsense.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:18 AM (Riz8t)

59 I hope I'm wrong and he's straight and true, but I've seen so many promising R House reps go simply nuts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Y2NSe)

Eyepatch McCain is a good example, probably the epitome of what we are talking about. Even more than McCain himself- he was always a waffling, deceitful little shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:18 AM (bss/y)

60
I hope I'm wrong and he's straight and true, but I've seen so many promising R House reps go simply nuts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:16 AM (Y2NSe)


I hate Illinois Nazis

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)

61
That dude strikes me as having a future like a combination of Dan Crenshaw and Matt Gaetz.

I hope I'm wrong and he's straight and true, but I've seen so many promising R House reps go simply nuts.

I mean, the guy has a Superman spit curl in front. What more do you need to know?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:19 AM (Riz8t)

62 57 Many states use a Multistate Bar Exam (multiple choice in my day) produced by the National Conference of Bar Examiners. I don't see any direct affiliation between them and the ABA, although there is probably significant overlap.

The remainder of state bar exams are state-specific essay questions produced by that state's bar examiners.

The ABA has no direct involvement.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (GD2xa)

In response to Huck Follywood

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:19 AM (GD2xa)

63
Eyepatch McCain is a good example, probably the epitome of what we are talking about. Even more than McCain himself- he was always a waffling, deceitful little shit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:18 AM (bss/y)


He attended the WEF every year.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

64 61 I mean, the guy has a Superman spit curl in front. What more do you need to know?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:19 AM (Riz8t)

======

Bizarro Superman?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (Y2NSe)

65 Seems every lawyer these days is a Leftist
Posted by: Skip at May 04, 2026 11:03 AM

I did some consulting work for a small law firm. They were pretty cool, I liked working with them.

Then I got LinkedIn connected with the two partners partners. And holy fuck every other day there’d be some post from them about Trump how he’s a fascist, how democracy is in danger, the works.



Posted by: Heroq at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (c3Uld)

66 Three lawyers walk into a bar...

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (3iyPp)

67 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (Hq3hB)

RMBS, I mentioned this on the last thread. Kemal Ataturk was born in Thessalonica. Do you know if the birthplace is still standing, and, if so, if it's marked?

I can't imagine the Greeks would want to commemorate it, but maybe they would anyway to accommodate tourists.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (77rzZ)

68 63 He attended the WEF every year.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

=====

Bessent was a Soros acolyte, apparently.

And there's no better cabinet member for Trump.

Just a note that sometimes this guilt by association isn't that predictive (though I'd been arguing that Crenshaw should be voted against in the general election for like 6 years).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:21 AM (Y2NSe)

69 He attended the WEF every year.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

Crenshaw? Yeah, that would be a tell.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:21 AM (bss/y)

70 Too many fucking laws, too many fucking lawyers.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 04, 2026 11:21 AM (g8Ew8)

71 45 Brandon Gill asking that broad the other day about which was her favorite abortion method was kinda epic.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)
======================
Married to Dinesh D'Souza's daughter, and had Laura Ingraham's old college job as Editor In Chief of the conservative Dartmouth Review.

I think he will be solid (unlike the very suspicious Josh Hawley, who I worry is a uniparty leader in the making).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (NIwpn)

72 70 Too many fucking laws, too many fucking lawyers.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 04, 2026 11:21 AM (g8Ew

'First: kill all the lawyers.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (bss/y)

73 Three lawyers walk into a bar...
Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM

*rubs head*

Ouch.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (Hq3hB)

74 I get that you are happy to see this Buck, but isn't the ABA still in charge of devising and administering the Bar exams, as well as disciplinary processes for the various state bar associations?

In other words, law schools may be throwing off their shackles, or starting to, but isn't it true that lawyers themselves are still in total thrall to the ABA?
-----
That varies by state. In NYS, the bar exam is administered by the state (Board of Bar Examiners, if I recall correctly, it has been a long time since i worried about the bar) and attorney admission and discipline is controlled by the state court system. There is no requirement to be a member of any bar organization (ABA, NYSBA, NYCBA, and others) to be admitted and to practice in NY. I do not belong to any bar association. The state bar association and city bar association have some say in the election and appointment of judges, but the reality is, at least where I practice, you have to be a democrat, because NYS is a one party state.

Some states have a separate bar association which handles attorney admission and discipline.

The bar exam is now some universal bar exam.

Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (Fbt5B)

75 Paul Pelosi says he is very, very interested in the AI art.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 11:23 AM (jehhT)

76 Republican Congress critters do what their donors tell them. It’s impossible to win a federal election without their money. And the they’re beholden to them and not the voters. None of them mean anything they say.

Posted by: Heroq at May 04, 2026 11:23 AM (c3Uld)

77 *stifles OT comment when he notices we are not over 100*

So, lawyers, amirite?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:23 AM (bss/y)

78 Teamsters > SEIU > AFSCME > AMA > ABA

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 04, 2026 11:23 AM (RIvkX)

79 Bessent was not a "Soros acolyte" at all, at least politically. Bessent ran a hedge fund and Soros was a big investor.

Soros invests money in funds managed by all sorts of people, including Bessent and also Stanley Druckenmiller, another huge Republican donor and conservative.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:24 AM (NIwpn)

80 Married to Dinesh D'Souza's daughter

I was genuinely surprised at that. I didn't think D'Souza was so old.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:24 AM (Riz8t)

81 I looked it up. I guess the house where Ataturk was born is now a museum.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:24 AM (77rzZ)

82 Just like with legal marijuana, I have a warning: this makes sense and it should be done. But don't be dumb enough to be in the first few. Jump on the bandwagon after like 20 states have done it.

You don't want to be flooded with armies of attorneys. Even worse than a tidal wave of stoners.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2026 11:24 AM (BI5O2)

83 Thessalonica. Do you know if the birthplace is still standing, and, if so, if it's marked?

I can't imagine the Greeks would want to commemorate it, but maybe they would anyway to accommodate tourists.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:20 AM

Not sure about the birthplace, but there is an Attaturk museum. I'll be ignoring it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2026 11:25 AM (Hq3hB)

84 > NEA > AFT

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 04, 2026 11:25 AM (RIvkX)

85 76 Republican Congress critters do what their donors tell them. It’s impossible to win a federal election without their money. And the they’re beholden to them and not the voters. None of them mean anything they say.
Posted by: Heroq at May 04, 2026 11:23 AM (c3Uld)

That’s on us for not showing up and reminding them who they work for. Money is one thing. Votes are another.

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 04, 2026 11:25 AM (gHfAU)

86 Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (Fbt5B)

I know the bar exam system is fair because of the number of powerfully connected Leftist retards who failed it multiple times.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (kxLc1)

87 We worked very hard to bring credit to the ABA.

Posted by: Julius Erving and Rick Barry at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (oftw2)

88 76 Republican Congress critters do what their donors tell them. It’s impossible to win a federal election without their money. And the they’re beholden to them and not the voters. None of them mean anything they say.

Posted by: Heroq

Step away from the black pill!

https://is.gd/FxO5p3

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (Riz8t)

89 I got 2 more mailers after the election.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (AvxYT)

90 25 LOL at the AI fuckup in your pic, Buck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:07 AM (utfVc)


He as 2 hammers!

so he can hammer out danger and warning at the same time. efficient!

Posted by: anachronda at May 04, 2026 11:27 AM (oY6Yp)

91 WSJ reports several vessels struck by Iran on the Strait. US sends destroyers to”chase them off”.

Posted by: Vengeance at May 04, 2026 11:27 AM (zfkPG)

92 Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (Fbt5B)
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Thank you for that.

The DC bar discipline process allowed Kevin Clinesmith to keep his law license, ever after his repeated submission of knowingly false documents to the FISA court, and so I hope someday, the DC processes will be independent.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:27 AM (NIwpn)

93 I looked it up. I guess the house where Ataturk was born is now a museum.

His picture is everywhere in Turkey. Many don't like Erdogan, but everyone appears to agree on Ataturk. He's safely dead.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:27 AM (Riz8t)

94 84 > NEA > AFT
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 04, 2026 11:25 AM (RIvkX)

Both should be destroyed. No public unions.

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 04, 2026 11:28 AM (gHfAU)

95 We worked very hard to bring credit to the ABA.
Posted by: Julius Erving and Rick Barry at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (oftw2)
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heh.

Posted by: olddog in mo at May 04, 2026 11:28 AM (ViCCR)

96 He as 2 hammers!

so he can hammer out danger and warning at the same time. efficient!

Ah, but can he hammer out the love between my brother and my sister, all over this land?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

97 His picture is everywhere in Turkey.
Posted by: Archimedes

Yep.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

98 I don't think it's a stretch to lump the ABA in with the likes of the SPLC or any other non-profit (or for profit) entities that work closely with FedGov.

It does appear that most, if not all of them lean decidedly left.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 11:28 AM (jehhT)

99 there's a disco ball orbiting the planet

https://tinyurl.com/2yutzwsb
Posted by: Don Black at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (ZxPkt)
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And?

Posted by: K.C. at May 04, 2026 11:29 AM (RIvkX)

100 Rick Barry at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (oftw2)

You shoot free throws like a girl. ( a very very good girl)

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:29 AM (kxLc1)

101 I know the bar exam system is fair because of the number of powerfully connected Leftist retards who failed it multiple times.
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Lol.

Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:29 AM (Fbt5B)

102 Wasn't Ataturk more secular?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:29 AM (AvxYT)

103 The ABA is one of the worst out-sourcing of governmental power to NGOs in America.

they have no right, not even a whisper of such, to set accreditation standards.

Imagine if a state gave Standard Oil the exclusive right to collect-and set!--gasoline taxes?
But also with no accountability or transparency in how the set or collect those taxes?
But then, imagine that Standard Oil donates 99.9%, millions per year, to the party that granted them that exclusive monopoly?

That's the ABA.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 04, 2026 11:30 AM (MtSIY)

104 96 He as 2 hammers!

so he can hammer out danger and warning at the same time. efficient!
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Ah, but can he hammer out the love between my brother and my sister, all over this land?

he's gonna need a whole *bag* of hammers!

Posted by: anachronda at May 04, 2026 11:30 AM (oY6Yp)

105 Wasn't Ataturk more secular?

Yes. Erdogan is trying to take it back to a more Islam-dominated state.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 04, 2026 11:30 AM (Riz8t)

106 The bar exam is now some universal bar exam.
Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (Fbt5B)

I saw The Max Rebo Band open for Sex Derringers, The Pioneers of Little Person Punk at the Universal Bar in Mos Eisley a long time ago.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 04, 2026 11:30 AM (w/O5Q)

107 99 there's a disco ball orbiting the planet

https://tinyurl.com/2yutzwsb
Posted by: Don Black at May 04, 2026 11:15 AM (ZxPkt)
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And?

party time!

Posted by: anachronda at May 04, 2026 11:31 AM (oY6Yp)

108 Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (GD2xa)
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Thanks to you as well for that explanation

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:31 AM (NIwpn)

109 i had a boss tell me one time: "If we didn't have lawyers, we wouldn't need them." (The more I thought about it, the more that idea is generalizable.)

Unfortunately, one you have them, then you need them. And can't get rid of them.

Posted by: yara at May 04, 2026 11:31 AM (WUJRe)

110 the greatest movie of all time is your personal favorite movie, whoever you are

Posted by: Don Black at May 04, 2026 11:13 AM (ZxPkt)

In my case, this is not true. I love the greatest movie of all time but it's not my personal favorite #1 desert island movie.

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2026 11:31 AM (U6Usv)

111 102 Wasn't Ataturk more secular?
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:29 AM (AvxYT)

Yes. He was the one who started the tradition that Erdogan stomped on of the military acting as a check on runaway religious domination of the country.

Erdogan baited them (remember 16 or 17?) and crushed the military elements. False flag. See J6.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:32 AM (bss/y)

112 Wasn't Ataturk more secular?
Posted by: Boss Moss

Yes. Because he and many of his associates were born in Europe, and saw themselves as Europeans.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:32 AM (77rzZ)

113 The ongoing descent to idiocracy. You really will be able to get your degree at Costco.

This is all according to the Christian Nationalist agenda, and yes, one of the primary goals is to replace secular authority and expertise with biblical authority, delivered with an iron fist. You know, like Iran.

Florida is doing everything to de-legitimize their university system.

As a Floridian, I hate Florida. I am also far left. I am also an educator and this is the right answer. If the ABA would stop being so anti-online law schools in 2026 this wouldn’t have happened. It’s not the 1930s. Online schooling is just as effective, and sometimes more effective, than in person classrooms. 100% the ABAs fault for calling these states’ bluffs.

I'm sure their timing has NOTHING to do with Trump's grudge against the ABA. Sovereign Citizen School of Law - Austin Campus.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (uYvMy)

114 I think Louisana's bar exam includes Napoleonic law or at least it did.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (kxLc1)

115
You shoot free throws like a girl. ( a very very good girl)

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:29 AM (kxLc1)

You're saying he shoots free throws like a dog?

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (U6Usv)

116 The SPLC defended Nazis in Illinois because they agreed with them.

Prove me wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (Y2NSe)
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Heh. Wrong four letter Nazi-loving group, but your point stands.

Posted by: The ACLU at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (NIwpn)

117 Membah we used to measure dumbness by hammers until Sally Kohn came along.

Membah her? Good times.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (RIvkX)

118 he's gonna need a whole *bag* of hammers!

I keep hearing that phrase when people are talking about me. Can someone explain why?

Posted by: AOC at May 04, 2026 11:34 AM (Riz8t)

119 83 Just like with legal marijuana, I have a warning: this makes sense and it should be done. But don't be dumb enough to be in the first few. Jump on the bandwagon after like 20 states have done it.

You don't want to be flooded with armies of attorneys. Even worse than a tidal wave of stoners.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2026 11:24 AM (BI5O2)
'You got that right.'
-formerly beautiful Colorado Springs.

Posted by: Eromero at May 04, 2026 11:34 AM (LHPAg)

120 I think Louisana's bar exam includes Napoleonic law or at least it did.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg

Louisiana's laws are a mixed bag of Spanish, French, and English stuff. I've read that their bar exam takes the longest of any state's.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)

121 ZH used this image in an article to throw shade at Trump, but I think it's pretty cool: https://tinyurl.com/yc4zruva

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (cWLG3)

122
The Muslim-only event in June is being organized and run by the East Plano Islamic Center."

Posted by: one hour sober

When is Amish day?
Buddhist?
Baptist?
Lutheran?
Catholic?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (8CTam)

123 113 This is all according to the Christian Nationalist agenda, and yes, one of the primary goals is to replace secular authority and expertise with biblical authority, delivered with an iron fist. You know, like Iran.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (uYvMy)

======

"Also, I root for Iran against America, I want to import millions of Muslims, and I have no problems with Muslims imposing Sharia on America."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (Y2NSe)

124 The DC bar discipline process allowed Kevin Clinesmith to keep his law license, ever after his repeated submission of knowingly false documents to the FISA court, and so I hope someday, the DC processes will be independent.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:27 AM (NIwpn)
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If I recall, he plead to a felony. That was world class bullshit by the DC court to sentence him to probation and let him back into practice within 2 years. In NYS, his ass would have been automatically disbarred by statute. Though I strongly suspect that the NYS court would certainly have not given him prison time, particularly with the 2019 "bail reform". Which is also bullshit, his ass should have done a few years at a minimum.

Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (Fbt5B)

125 In my case, this is not true. I love the greatest movie of all time but it's not my personal favorite #1 desert island movie.
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2026 11:31 AM (U6Usv)

Yeah. A couple examples:

Citizen Kane. Beautiful movie. Insanely well done (as a visual art form.) Hate watching it.

Passion of the Christ. Best religious movie of all time (especially for a traditional Catholic.) Great visuals, acting, all of it. I own it on Blu-Ray. Never rewatched it.

By contrast, I love Fellowship of the Ring. Great movie but not the apex of the film making art. I would argue it is one of my most 'enjoyable' films because I continuiously want to reengage with it. Does that make it 'best'? I don't think so, per se.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (bss/y)

126 You're saying he shoots free throws like a dog?
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2026 11:33 AM (U6Usv)

I'm slow. That snark went over my head?

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (kxLc1)

127 The bar exam is now some universal bar exam.
Posted by: Penfold at May 04, 2026 11:22 AM (Fbt5B)

Surely all states have a state specific portion of the test. But it's been awhile since I quit practicing law.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:36 AM (GD2xa)

128 Everybody hates lawyers until they're in the dock. Then they want the sleaziest, shysteryish lawyer that money can buy.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:37 AM (77rzZ)

129 In 1995, VA bar was probably the hardest exam I've ever taken. Thought I failed miserably. I passed. In 1996, I thought CA bar was a breeze. Even left early. I passed.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at May 04, 2026 11:37 AM (W5mpo)

130 Speaking of AI, law is the perfect application for it. I assume demand for paralegal work will go down significantly as firms incorporate AI into their workflow.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 11:37 AM (Dv3i1)

131 My top ten favorite movie list is basically a ten way tie.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:37 AM (kxLc1)

132 Surely all states have a state specific portion of the test. But it's been awhile since I quit practicing law.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:36 AM (GD2xa)

Aren't most state laws just copy/paste of other states laws.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:39 AM (3iyPp)

133 Every one knows Ghost Ship is the best marvel vid ever made.

Posted by: Pudinhead at May 04, 2026 11:40 AM (3KDFs)

134 i had a boss tell me one time: "If we didn't have lawyers, we wouldn't need them." (The more I thought about it, the more that idea is generalizable.)
--
If you're the only lawyer in town, you'll go bankrupt pretty quick.

If there are two lawyers in town, you'll both get rich.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (MtSIY)

135 Prometheus. It’s like I don’t even know you all anymore.

Posted by: tubal at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (Gqar8)

136 By contrast, I love Fellowship of the Ring. Great movie but not the apex of the film making art. I would argue it is one of my most 'enjoyable' films because I continuiously want to reengage with it. Does that make it 'best'? I don't think so, per se.
_____

It's the best of the trilogy. As a long time reader of the books before the movies came out, FOTR was the closest adaptation of the 3. Changes from book to movie were expected and the choices Jackson made were defensible. Not so much for TT. And worse for ROTK, which makes it nearly unwatchable knowing that it could have been so much better with a more faithful adaptation.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (Dv3i1)

137 >> ZH used this image in an article to throw shade at Trump, but I think it's pretty cool:

You mean the Russian propaganda site whose views you continue to push?

Posted by: Vengeance at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (zfkPG)

138 My brother, a law professor, was once rated by his students as "a windbag who loves to hear himself talk". We who love him most agree with that description; it may even be charitable. But I also think that might be a core attribute of being a lawyer.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (qLtr3)

139 Aren't most state laws just copy/paste of other states laws.
Posted by: Reforger

In some cases. The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) is an example. Though it's not total copy/paste, as each state has tweaked it some to suit its needs.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (77rzZ)

140
Q: How many lawyers does it take to shingle a roof?








A: Depends how thin you slice them.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (+p5er)

141 Surely all states have a state specific portion of the test. But it's been awhile since I quit practicing law.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at May 04, 2026 11:36 AM (GD2xa)

Aren't most state laws just copy/paste of other states laws.
Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:39 AM (3iyPp)

Missouri has a unique "pics or it didn't happen" statute.

Posted by: Internet facts at May 04, 2026 11:42 AM (+IsEU)

142 In 1995, VA bar was probably the hardest exam I've ever taken. Thought I failed miserably. I passed. In 1996, I thought CA bar was a breeze. Even left early. I passed.
Posted by: Dark Litigator
__________

The multistate was definitely the hardest exam I've ever taken. Out of 200, I was absolutely sure of my answer on less than 10. A lot of the questions seemed to be picking the least wrong of four wrong answers.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 04, 2026 11:42 AM (XvL8K)

143 I misread the title as "ABBA" and this clip I saw yesterday came to mind:

https://youtu.be/iEikjzZO2N8

Posted by: pookysgirl was punished with ABBA as a kid at May 04, 2026 11:42 AM (Wt5PA)

144 And worse for ROTK, which makes it nearly unwatchable knowing that it could have been so much better with a more faithful adaptation.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (Dv3i1)

Agreed on this. I hate watching people go crazy over th movie version of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.

Dammit. 'Surprise' Cavalry charge. 'Surprise'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:43 AM (bss/y)

145 Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (77rzZ)

I got my real estate license just so I could put it on my resume when I graduated college even though I had no intention of using it . It was known to be a difficult test to pass at the time so a plus on a resume.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:43 AM (kxLc1)

146 m slow. That snark went over my head?

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (kxLc1)

You said a very very good girl

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2026 11:43 AM (U6Usv)

147 If I recall, he plead to a felony. That was world class bullshit by the DC court to sentence him to probation and let him back into practice within 2 years. In NYS, his ass would have been automatically disbarred by statute.
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Those disbarment rules are merely suggestions--If you're on Team Evil.

See how they disbarred Rudy.
And Trump's lawyer in CA.

neither of which committed any crime at all.

And they both were perfectly within all the ethical rules of "zealous advocacy for your client."

Fuck the ABA, fuck the state bar associations--all are illegal exercises of governmental power.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 04, 2026 11:44 AM (MtSIY)

148 I'm sure some might remember how many commie lawyers were offering pro-bono services to rioters during the BLM riots. The institution is lousy with them.

Posted by: fb at May 04, 2026 11:44 AM (D/cuw)

149 Hell, the Rankin Bass kid's version captured it better. Everything is at it's darkest. The Witch King is confronting Gandalf. All seems lost.

Then a single ray of sunshine breaks through. A cock crows. And then the Rohirrim smash into the Forces of Darkness like the Fist of an Angry God.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:45 AM (bss/y)

150 Trump raped me in the men's room during my bar exam in New Jersey in 1966.

Call me Donald!

Posted by: Barney Fag, almost dead at May 04, 2026 11:45 AM (AP4bj)

151 Rick Barry at May 04, 2026 11:26 AM (oftw2)

You shoot free throws like a girl. ( a very very good girl)

As I recall, he offered to teach Shaq how to hit free throws and Shaq replied that he'd rather miss than shoot underhand.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 04, 2026 11:45 AM (vTZFs)

152 The biggest problem we have is that too many lawyers become politicians.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 04, 2026 11:45 AM (g8Ew8)

153 You said a very very good girl
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2026 11:43 AM (U6Usv)

Heh. Thanks Ben.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:46 AM (kxLc1)

154 Am I really hanging out with a bunch of lawyers?
I don't know a single one in meatspace.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:46 AM (3iyPp)

155 The multistate was definitely the hardest exam I've ever taken. Out of 200, I was absolutely sure of my answer on less than 10. A lot of the questions seemed to be picking the least wrong of four wrong answers.
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Yup.
They try so hard to make every answer partially to mostly right that every year, they have to go back and give credit for multiple right answers on questions because of that.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 04, 2026 11:46 AM (MtSIY)

156 152 The biggest problem we have is that too many lawyers become politicians.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 04, 2026 11:45 AM (g8Ew

You have identified two problems here.

Posted by: tubal at May 04, 2026 11:46 AM (Gqar8)

157 I’m old enough to remember all the top tier law firms fighting to represent Gitmo terrorists pro bono.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 04, 2026 11:47 AM (4KUe5)

158 I thought ABA was a Swedish pop music group.

Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2026 11:49 AM (PVV5z)

159 Thx Buck. When I became a lawyer that n 89 I joined the ABA. After about a year of their fundraising and their left wing magazine I got rid of my membership. NY Bar Association is even worse

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 04, 2026 11:49 AM (gu0hJ)

160 Am I really hanging out with a bunch of lawyers?
I don't know a single one in meatspace.
Posted by: Reforger


Seems like most of the Horde are either lawyers or lawyer-adjacent (I was a paralegal) or some kind of engineer.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:50 AM (77rzZ)

161 158 I thought ABA was a Swedish pop music group.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2026 11:49 AM (PVV5z)

You thought 'Dancing Queen' was about a girl?

Class Action Attorney.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:50 AM (bss/y)

162 I don't hate lawyers. They're like bees. You need them. But you don't want them swarming all around you. Let other states become Lawyerville USA and let them get entrenched there before pulling the trigger yourself.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (BI5O2)

163 ABA has a lot more power than the AMA.

Get rid of both.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (2OYwF)

164 The disintegration of the mythology around professional institutions and "experts" is where high trust societies go to die.

I guess we can blame the Boomers for this.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (wBaIH)

165 I thought ABA was a Swedish pop music group.
Posted by: Weasel

You know who was a big ABBA fan? G. Gordon Liddy! He had them on his radio show once.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (77rzZ)

166 The Louisiana real Estate exam multiple choice section was below or something similar.

A.
B.
C.
Both A and C
Neither A and C
All of the above
None of the above

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:52 AM (kxLc1)

167 164 The disintegration of the mythology around professional institutions and "experts" is where high trust societies go to die.

I guess we can blame the Boomers for this.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (wBaIH)

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America was more American and more high trust before the ABA was ever formed and when Abraham Lincoln learned how to be a lawyer just reading from books.

The infatuation with large institutions as some kind of authority in American life is an aberration that needs to die, replaced with smaller scale, more localized support.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:53 AM (Y2NSe)

168 You know who was a big ABBA fan? G. Gordon Liddy! He had them on his radio show once.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (77rzZ)

He also passed a bar exam.
I'm starting to see a connection.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:54 AM (3iyPp)

169 168 You know who was a big ABBA fan? G. Gordon Liddy! He had them on his radio show once.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:51 AM (77rzZ)

He also passed a bar exam.
I'm starting to see a connection.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:54 AM (3iyPp)

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There are no coincidences!

Wake up sheeple!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:54 AM (Y2NSe)

170 Favorite Lawyer movie

The Lincoln Lawyer


Man there are a ton of layers movies.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:55 AM (kxLc1)

171 The infatuation with large institutions as some kind of authority in American life is an aberration that needs to die, replaced with smaller scale, more localized support.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Agreed. Well said.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:55 AM (77rzZ)

172 137 >> ZH used this image in an article to throw shade at Trump, but I think it's pretty cool:

You mean the Russian propaganda site whose views you continue to push?
Posted by: Vengeance at May 04, 2026 11:41 AM (zfkPG)
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You have me mixed up with someone else. Anytime I mention them it's to criticize the anti-American slant of their articles, not to mention the virulently antisemitic comment sections.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 04, 2026 11:55 AM (cWLG3)

173 170 Favorite Lawyer movie

The Lincoln Lawyer


Man there are a ton of layers movies.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:55 AM (kxLc1)

My Cousin Vinny

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 04, 2026 11:55 AM (KL70k)

174 Antihamite.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:56 AM (AvxYT)

175 My Cousin Vinny
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 04, 2026 11:55 AM (KL70k)

That was a contender.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 11:56 AM (kxLc1)

176 Speaking of Law, this female should be arrested ASAP: "Gray-haired woman in 'Make America Kind Again' t-shirt filmed delightedly beating Donald Trump pinata to pulp with metal bar"



Posted by: runner at May 04, 2026 11:57 AM (GD0B3)

177 My wife says that the articles on ZH are good, but she stays out of the comments.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:57 AM (77rzZ)

178 Our local county bar association decided to make recommendations on judges . We took a vote at a restaurant meeting and argued about it . Myself and a few others argued that rating qualifed or unqualified would seem like a popularity contest or sucking up. We were defeated. Literally the public wrote letters to the editor of our local rag when the ratings were made public. The letters echoed exactly what we argued. A year later the bar association stopped their rating. Warmed the coccles of my heart to see the self important twits smacked back

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 04, 2026 11:57 AM (gu0hJ)

179 176 Speaking of Law, this female should be arrested ASAP: "Gray-haired woman in 'Make America Kind Again' t-shirt filmed delightedly beating Donald Trump pinata to pulp with metal bar"



Posted by: runner at May 04, 2026 11:57 AM (GD0B3)

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It's Trump's fault she has no grandchildren because she aborted all of her spawn 40-60 years ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:57 AM (Y2NSe)

180 "While sporting the golden rule on her back, she ferociously beat a pinata made to resemble Donald Trump, until the replica's head was decapitated.

The MAKA woman smiled and laughed, delivering more vicious blows as the cheers from the surrounding crowd grew louder."

Posted by: runner at May 04, 2026 11:58 AM (GD0B3)

181 The infatuation with large institutions as some kind of authority in American life is an aberration that needs to die, replaced with smaller scale, more localized support.
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[In Dalek voice] - Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate . . .

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 04, 2026 11:58 AM (2OYwF)

182 Because every Subject Matter Expert shoud give testimony worthy of an Oscar.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 11:58 AM (3iyPp)

183 Favorite Lawyer movie
The Lincoln Lawyer

Man there are a ton of layers movies.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg
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Worst lawyer movie, from a lawyer perspective: The Verdict.

After the judge struck the testimony of his expert, Newman's case would have been dismissed on a directed verdict.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (XvL8K)

184 180 "While sporting the golden rule on her back, she ferociously beat a pinata made to resemble Donald Trump, until the replica's head was decapitated.

The MAKA woman smiled and laughed, delivering more vicious blows as the cheers from the surrounding crowd grew louder."

Posted by: runner at May 04, 2026 11:58 AM (GD0B3)

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The Democrat candidate for PA Senate who was arrested for leaving threatening voicemails for Fetterman's (including threats to cut his daughter's throat) has a "Be Kind" pennant hanging in his office where he does video interviews.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (Y2NSe)

185 Antihamite.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:56 AM (AvxYT)

I may prefer Curly, Larry, and Moe, but I am in no way an antiShempite.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (utfVc)

186 ABA - prepare to be assimilated.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 04, 2026 12:00 PM (2GVsD)

187 The Democrat candidate for PA Senate who was arrested for leaving threatening voicemails for Fetterman's (including threats to cut his daughter's throat) has a "Be Kind" pennant hanging in his office where he does video interviews.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (Y2NSe)

Sociopaths.

Posted by: runner at May 04, 2026 12:00 PM (GD0B3)

188 187 The Democrat candidate for PA Senate who was arrested for leaving threatening voicemails for Fetterman's (including threats to cut his daughter's throat) has a "Be Kind" pennant hanging in his office where he does video interviews.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (Y2NSe)

Sociopaths.

Posted by: runner at May 04, 2026 12:00 PM (GD0B3)

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He will murder everyone who doesn't match his politics until human nature is changed and we have the New Socialist Man.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (Y2NSe)

189 Miracle on 34th Street has entertaining courtroom drama.

Posted by: Count de Monet has opinions at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (wVcYX)

190 @185 I'm against anyone who hams up the situation.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (cWLG3)

191 It's a great start.

Now do medical schools. Nobody fesses up as to who keeps the med school slots so low, but Trump is a builder and a solver, so get some schools built, or we will continue importing doctors, and their entire families and friends, from places that are not our friends.

Posted by: PJ at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (+jscL)

192 > The infatuation with large institutions as some kind of authority in American life is an aberration that needs to die, replaced with smaller scale, more localized support.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I think this infatuation also elevates people's social and political status when they "get close" or are part of those institutions. It's like the caste system. Only aligned with ideological and political postures and not, necessarily, money.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (jehhT)

193 176 Speaking of Law, this female should be arrested ASAP: "Gray-haired woman in 'Make America Kind Again' t-shirt filmed delightedly beating Donald Trump pinata to pulp with metal bar"
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Far lefty in the neighborhood has a sign on his tree lawn that says "Hate won't make America Great". No kidding, so how about stopping all the hate coming from the left, you jerk.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 12:02 PM (Dv3i1)

194 192 I think this infatuation also elevates people's social and political status when they "get close" or are part of those institutions. It's like the caste system. Only aligned with ideological and political postures and not, necessarily, money.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (jehhT)

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Who cares about being King of the Lousiville group of lawyers when one can be the King of the Kentucky group of lawyers?

Who cares about being King of the Kentucky group of lawyers when one can be the King of the American group of lawyers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:03 PM (Y2NSe)

195 After the judge struck the testimony of his expert, Newman's case would have been dismissed on a directed verdict.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (XvL8

Yep their law consultants were lacking. Could have come up with a different scenario to get the same direction to the desired ending.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:03 PM (kxLc1)

196 Antihamite.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 11:56 AM (AvxYT)

I may prefer Curly, Larry, and Moe, but I am in no way an antiShempite.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (utfVc)

Disorder in the Court!

Posted by: Count de Monet has opinions at May 04, 2026 12:03 PM (wVcYX)

197 The Indiana Pacers used to be in the ABA.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 04, 2026 12:03 PM (Cqx++)

198 Liddy was an ADA in Dutchess county across the river from me. Led a raid on an estate where Timothy Leary was staying. Then led a raid on Bard College arresting amongst others Becker and Fagen. He also pulled a gun on someone in a traffic dispute. Interesting lunatic

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 04, 2026 12:04 PM (gu0hJ)

199 the next to defenestrate the ABA.

Punishment fits crime.

I love that there's a specific word for throwing someone out a window.

Posted by: DaveA at May 04, 2026 12:04 PM (FhXTo)

200 It's Trump's fault she has no grandchildren because she aborted all of her spawn 40-60 years ago.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:57 AM (Y2NSe)

This is actually a really big issue. There are millions of women out there that have had one. Their minds are made up. They will never admit they made a mistake and killed their own kid. To conceive of abortion as murder...
Rope the poor girls into the murder cult early on and it's support for life.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 12:04 PM (3iyPp)

201 It riot impossible to do. There's a model.
Back in the dark ages, no one could sell any device which plugged in to 110V (the electrical grid) without that device being approved by Underwriters Laboratories (UL), a private organization, like the ABA, which gave it, again, like the ABA, life and death power. The complaints were not political, instead they were economic; their charges for approval reflected that monopoly status.
The government (I believe it's the FTC) has established standards for NRTLs (Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories) and now there are multiple organizations whose approval is sufficient to allow sale of electrical devices.
Following that, the government needs to establish standards for accrediting organizations which would apply to both schools and post-education as well.

Posted by: buddhaha at May 04, 2026 12:05 PM (TNGIV)

202 121 ZH used this image in an article to throw shade at Trump, but I think it's pretty cool: https://tinyurl.com/yc4zruva
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 04, 2026 11:35 AM (cWLG3)
Aarrrggggghhhh!

Posted by: Eromero at May 04, 2026 12:05 PM (LHPAg)

203 The Vagina Squires.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 12:05 PM (AvxYT)

204 we will continue importing doctors"

Of course! Who wants white guys going to med school?

Posted by: man at May 04, 2026 12:05 PM (XuXeR)

205 200 This is actually a really big issue. There are millions of women out there that have had one. Their minds are made up. They will never admit they made a mistake and killed their own kid. To conceive of abortion as murder...
Rope the poor girls into the murder cult early on and it's support for life.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 12:04 PM (3iyPp)

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There's a reason the birth replacement rate of American conservatives is roughly 2.1 and the birth replacement rate of American progressives is about 1.2.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:05 PM (Y2NSe)

206 Best courtroom sceen is The Fountainhead.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 12:05 PM (3iyPp)

207 182 Because every Subject Matter Expert shoud give testimony worthy of an Oscar.
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Mona Lisa Vito!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (Dv3i1)

208 The ABA also disbarred John Eastman for being Trump's lawyer because Eastman gave Trump advice on possible ways to handle the crooked 2020 election results.

The ABA is rotten to the core, and should be burned, it's land salted so nobody ever can use it again.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (ynpvh)

209 I love that there's a specific word for throwing someone out a window.
Posted by: DaveA at May 04, 2026 12:04 PM (FhXTo)

Inorite? (shrugs)

Posted by: zombie Augusto Pinochet at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (utfVc)

210 208 The ABA also disbarred John Eastman for being Trump's lawyer because Eastman gave Trump advice on possible ways to handle the crooked 2020 election results.

The ABA is rotten to the core, and should be burned, it's land salted so nobody ever can use it again.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (ynpvh)

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Wasn't that the California bar that did that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (Y2NSe)

211 Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 04, 2026 11:59 AM (XvL8

Then again the NY judge allowed a tort claim to go forward when the plaintiff couldn't provide a date of loss.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (kxLc1)

212 192 I think this infatuation also elevates people's social and political status when they "get close" or are part of those institutions. It's like the caste system. Only aligned with ideological and political postures and not, necessarily, money.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:01 PM (jehhT)

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Who cares about being King of the Lousiville group of lawyers when one can be the King of the Kentucky group of lawyers?

Who cares about being King of the Kentucky group of lawyers when one can be the King of the American group of lawyers?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:03 PM (Y2NSe)

Being The Texas Hammer has been a good gig for 50+ years.

Posted by: Jim Adler at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (wVcYX)

213 Why isn't defenestrate in the original Russian.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 12:07 PM (AvxYT)

214 Lawyers in Love

Posted by: tubal at May 04, 2026 12:07 PM (Gqar8)

215 ....Tort claim against Trump

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:07 PM (kxLc1)

216 Its amazing how DeSantis implementing just the basics of vote integrity not only turned FL from purple to deep red, but now he and the rest of FL are actually the most active conservative state in the country.

And again, he didn't beat Gillum by that much...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 04, 2026 12:08 PM (sKqQm)

217 Being The Texas Hammer has been a good gig for 50+ years.
Posted by: Jim Adler at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (wVcYX)

He gave great Christmas parties.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:08 PM (kxLc1)

218 215 ....Tort claim against Trump

I have a torte claim. It's waiting for me in the fridge.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (Dv3i1)

219 216 Its amazing how DeSantis implementing just the basics of vote integrity not only turned FL from purple to deep red, but now he and the rest of FL are actually the most active conservative state in the country.

And again, he didn't beat Gillum by that much...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 04, 2026 12:08 PM (sKqQm)

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"Cleaning up the vote in FL doesn't matter because all the progressives in New York are moving to Tampa to turn the state blue."
-2020

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (Y2NSe)

220 love that there's a specific word for throwing someone out a window"

Toss me...

Posted by: man at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (XuXeR)

221 There's a reason the birth replacement rate of American conservatives is roughly 2.1 and the birth replacement rate of American progressives is about 1.2.

The most impactful thing with feminism is that it persuade non-FSA class left wing women to stop having kids.

You would struggle to come up with a more immediate and negative reaction to an ideology...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (sKqQm)

222 California bar recommended disbarring Eastman. The court acted on it. Bar associations can recommend disbarment but a court has to do it. The ABA has no power to do anything unless people give it to them, ie rating law schools

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (gu0hJ)

223 Great lawyer movies:

The Cain Mutiny
Breaker Morant

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (77rzZ)

224 The Supreme Court has restored your right to sacrifice your children to Moloch.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (AvxYT)

225 And again, he didn't beat Gillum by that much..."

We tried!

/Dade county elections

Posted by: man at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (XuXeR)

226 > There's a reason the birth replacement rate of American conservatives is roughly 2.1 and the birth replacement rate of American progressives is about 1.2.
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At some point down the road, I'd think the progressives would become... extinct.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:11 PM (jehhT)

227 The other hard left accreditation group that needs to be defenestrated forthwith is the American Medical Association. I have read that only 17% of doctors actually belong to it but they really throw their weight around in the Public Square and most people believe they represent all doctors in the United States.

Posted by: Beverly at May 04, 2026 12:11 PM (reMys)

228 215 ....Tort claim against Trump

I have a torte claim. It's waiting for me in the fridge.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (Dv3i1)

You'd better snarf that down, torte sweet!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 04, 2026 12:12 PM (wVcYX)

229 The best courtroom scene is in "Deliverance" when the hillbillys cross examine the canoeists and find Ned Beatty guilty.

Posted by: How Real Courts Work at May 04, 2026 12:12 PM (AP4bj)

230 At some point down the road, I'd think the progressives would become... extinct.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:11 PM (jehhT)

Not a chance.

They're recruiting a solid 85% of every student who goes through the school system in any capacity or at any level.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (iNUL3)

231 Great lawyer movies:

The Cain Mutiny
Breaker Morant
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (77rzZ)

Add To Kill A Mockingbird to that excellent list.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (wVcYX)

232 Great lawyer movies:

The Cain Mutiny
Breaker Morant
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (77rzZ)

I hate the end scene with the defense lawyer scolding the defendants. Pure Hollywood.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (kxLc1)

233 Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 04, 2026 12:04 PM (gu0hJ)

Liddy and Leary later toured together, debating LSD among other topics.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (77rzZ)

234 226 > There's a reason the birth replacement rate of American conservatives is roughly 2.1 and the birth replacement rate of American progressives is about 1.2.
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At some point down the road, I'd think the progressives would become... extinct.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:11 PM (jehhT)

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Studies show that at least 60% of one's politics comes from family. About 20% is explained by environment.

So, 80%, at least, of the conservative kids should end up conservative while 20% of the progressive kids are open to switching to conservative.

There's honestly only so much schools can do to undermine that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (Y2NSe)

235
Am I really hanging out with a bunch of lawyers?
I don't know a single one in meatspace.
Posted by: Reforger

Seems like most of the Horde are either lawyers or lawyer-adjacent (I was a paralegal) or some kind of engineer.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:50 AM (77rzZ)



Which explains a lot about Teh Horde...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (e4Xc5)

236 We tried!

/Dade county elections
Posted by: man at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (XuXeR)

Pikers.

Posted by: Philadelphia at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (3iyPp)

237 226 > There's a reason the birth replacement rate of American conservatives is roughly 2.1 and the birth replacement rate of American progressives is about 1.2.
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At some point down the road, I'd think the progressives would become... extinct.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2026 12:11 PM (jehhT)

This is why they have conquered the Education field, from Preschool to Post Doctoral. They Make Progressives.

Posted by: tubal at May 04, 2026 12:14 PM (Gqar8)

238 hate the end scene with the defense lawyer scolding the defendants. Pure Hollywood.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg

Are you kidding me? That's an awesome scene.

The Fred MacMurray character was a real scumbag.

Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:14 PM (77rzZ)

239 210 208 The ABA also disbarred John Eastman for being Trump's lawyer because Eastman gave Trump advice on possible ways to handle the crooked 2020 election results.

The ABA is rotten to the core, and should be burned, it's land salted so nobody ever can use it again.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (ynpvh)

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Wasn't that the California bar that did that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 12:06 PM (Y2NSe)

Same people.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2026 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

240 We tried!

/Dade county elections
Posted by: man at May 04, 2026 12:10 PM (XuXeR)

Pikers.
Posted by: Philadelphia at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (3iyPp)

Amateurs.

Posted by: Fulton County, GA at May 04, 2026 12:15 PM (wVcYX)

241 Which explains a lot about Teh Horde...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (e4Xc5)

Contrarian. The horde? No way!

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:15 PM (kxLc1)

242 Its amazing how DeSantis implementing just the basics of vote integrity not only turned FL from purple to deep red, but now he and the rest of FL are actually the most active conservative state in the country.

And again, he didn't beat Gillum by that much...
Posted by: 18-1


That shows you how much cheat was going on.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 04, 2026 12:15 PM (qoyWV)

243 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 12:15 PM (bss/y)

244 Are you kidding me? That's an awesome scene.

The Fred MacMurray character was a real scumbag.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:14 PM (77rzZ)

Not surprised you liked it.

Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 04, 2026 12:16 PM (kxLc1)

245 I believe it was Giuliani who described how a truck full of fraudulent ballots was intercepted in Florida, which is why Gillum conceded.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 04, 2026 12:17 PM (qoyWV)

246 The Best Court scenes are...

My Cousin Vinny
A Few Good Men
12 Angry Men *Not truly court but court adjacent.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 04, 2026 12:17 PM (XV/Pl)

247 Like James Bond or Remington Steele.

Mediaite
@Mediaite
Eric Swalwell Sent Women 'Videos of Him Masturbating' and Other Perverted Messages After Joining Snapchat to Restore 'Faith' in 'Democracy': Report

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 04, 2026 12:17 PM (ndZc7)

248 Liddy and Leary later toured together, debating LSD among other topics.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 12:13 PM (77rzZ)

They actually became really good friends. The other weird Liddy one that I remember is an interview he did and Marylyn Manson was there too. They were almost high fiving each other at the end of it.

Posted by: Reforger at May 04, 2026 12:17 PM (3iyPp)

249 Buck generally doesn't use monkeys.

But I'd bet that'd change if he could find a picture of a monkey playing an upright bass.
Posted by: Bulg at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM

Apes prefer the Long Necked Rickenbacker.

Posted by: toby928(c) at May 04, 2026 12:18 PM (4NO2D)

250 government needs to establish standards for accrediting organizations
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How did we get into this quagmire in the first place?

Moar Government!

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 04, 2026 12:18 PM (2OYwF)

251 Florida Man is dual-wielding sledgehammers, as only a Florida Man can.

Posted by: Florida Man. Tough as nails, crazy as hell. at May 04, 2026 12:20 PM (TbWk/)

252 The SPLC defended Nazis in Illinois because they agreed with them.

Prove me wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at May 04, 2026 11:17 AM (Y2NSe)


OK. That was the ACLU
Otherwise, your point stands.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 04, 2026 12:20 PM (zafwz)

253
love that there's a specific word for throwing someone out a window"

Toss me...
Posted by: man at May 04, 2026 12:09 PM (XuXeR)




Don't tell the elf.

Posted by: Gimli at May 04, 2026 12:23 PM (e4Xc5)

254 I struggled in a 3rd rate law school, but when I sat for the MD bar (way back when), I looked around at all these pointy headed people and concluded I would definitely do better than at least half of them. Passed, but I agree that about 95% of my answers were definitely least worst option.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at May 04, 2026 12:29 PM (AdHga)

255 Dammit! Where the hell is my hammer?

Posted by: Grabthar at May 04, 2026 12:31 PM (XeU6L)

256 Excellent -- thanks Buck!

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2026 12:33 PM (JqXxE)

257 " Until very recently, a degree from an ABA-accredited law school was necessary in all 50 states to be able to take the bar exam."

Not true for all 50 states. For decades California, for example, has allowed graduates of state accredited law schools that were NOT ABA accredited to sit for the California Bar, and to practice law if they passed the Bar; not a sure thing as the last Bar passing rate for California-only accredited schools was about 14%. Some lawyers who get admitted to the California Bar through this process can, or could in the past, get admitted to practice in other jurisdictions by taking other states' bar exams or through admission on foreign license. I've known a lawyer or two in the past who have done that.

California also had a program allowing students to "read law" with a California lawyer and if the student met the program requirements he or she could take the state bar without any law school whatsoever.

At different times other states have also had such programs; before WW 11 (eleven) my uncle took the Indiana Bar exam and practiced law without being a law school grad-he finished law school later, while he was practicing law.

Posted by: Pope John 20th at May 04, 2026 01:58 PM (7ZRgl)

258 It is one thing the leftists learned particularly well: in a high trust society, if you can capture the reliable institutions mentioned above and turn them to your own ends, then people will continue to believe in them (at least for a while) even if they are obviously captured.

See SPLC, NAACP, Courts, BBB, etc etc etc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 04, 2026 11:06 AM (bss/y)

The timeless quote from Iowahawk about skinsuits and demanding respect has entered the chat.

Speaking of quotes, there’s one from an old Dave Barry column about dealing with countries that give us problems. He advocated for dropping lawyers on them. If that didn’t work, drop more lawyers, and if that still didn’t work, put parachutes on the lawyers. I suspect he wrote that after some legal difficulties.

Posted by: Advo at May 04, 2026 02:08 PM (jO4mz)

259 Quit the ABA in 1991 when they came out against Clarence Thomas's nomination. Still have the no annual fee credit card though.

I have always held the same philosophy in politics. Never waivered on anything. The only way I used to be liberal was being against most wars, and now that is conservative too.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at May 04, 2026 02:09 PM (wGerL)

260 "I get that you are happy to see this Buck, but isn't the ABA still in charge of devising and administering the Bar exams, as well as disciplinary processes for the various state bar associations?"

Also not true. The ABA does not administer bar exams in all states and never did; I doubt they do so directly anywhere. The ABA has some influence on the law of a state (and thereby influences questions asked on the bar exam) through providing model rules of procedure which mostly have been adopted by the statest. I sat on my state's Ethics 2000 committee to evaluate the ABA's model Rules of Professional Responsibility. Our adoption recommendation included some modifications to the ABA's proposed rules.

The National Conference of Bar Examiners does prepare and administer the Multi-State Professional Responsibility Exam which is part of the Bar Exam for most or all US jurisdictions. The NCBE provides resources and assistance for bar exams to states and other bar jurisdictions. The NCBE is independent of The ABA, but they have a cooperative and interdependent relationship. Both The ABA and the NCBE draw their membership from roughly the same establishment.

lawyer discipline cont

Posted by: Pope John 20th at May 04, 2026 02:20 PM (7ZRgl)

261 Lawyer discipline

Lawyer discipline is handled differently in the various states, districts and territories in the US. More than half of all states are what is known as "unified bar states." Those states require lawyers to be members of the state bar association (most or all state bar associations are part of The ABA) and lawyer discipline is done by the state bar association (DC has a unified bar).

In other states lawyer discipline is handled by a government agency, generally as a part of the state court system administered by the state's highest court. Although the ABA drafted the model Rules of Professional Responsibility used, as modified by each state, for lawyer discipline in most or all states, I don't believe the ABA has an actual role in lawyer discipline anywhere-it might provide assistance or witnesses in high profile cases thought I never saw it.

lawyer discipline cont below...

Posted by: Pope John 20th at May 04, 2026 02:34 PM (7ZRgl)

262 Lawyer discipline-federal court...

Lawyer discipline for misconduct in Federal Court is handled by the individual districts or circuits-admission to federal court is done by the individual district and circuit courts. I never studied the subject, so I don't know if different district or circuit courts have different rules. What I know about the topic is through experience. I was once loaned out by my state's disciplinary agency to assist a federal court in investigating a case of lawyer misconduct in federal court. The District Court's rules allowed for such a joint investigation as the district court simply didn't have the resources or expertise to easily investigate the case on its own; the case also involved a state law violation so I would have investigated the case for my agency anyway.

Posted by: Pope John 20th at May 04, 2026 02:42 PM (7ZRgl)

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