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Gun Thread: First March Edition!
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at March 01, 2026 07:00 PM (Ia/+0)
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Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 01, 2026 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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Greeting all!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:00 PM (cme47)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:01 PM (BCwQW)
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Happy Sunday!
Posted by: Lurking in Garland at March 01, 2026 07:01 PM (2BTkX)
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Scoob! 'S up?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 01, 2026 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)
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“no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and this is their vindication from me,” declares the Lord.”
Isaiah 54:17
Isaiah 54:17
Posted by: Marcus T at March 01, 2026 07:04 PM (y0LCM)
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Supposedly March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb. Let's hope that trope proves true.
No range report. I just stare at my rifle and wish for much nicer weather so I can see what the rifle feels like and if I have the scope on good.
Someday, just not today.
No range report. I just stare at my rifle and wish for much nicer weather so I can see what the rifle feels like and if I have the scope on good.
Someday, just not today.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:05 PM (cme47)
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Bamalam!
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 07:05 PM (DXbAa)
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I have a membership at a local indoor range in Dallas. For basic membership - $100/yr 1st year; $75/yr 2nd year; $50/yr 3rd year. Stays at $50 onward. It allows 1/2 off cost of range time ($20 normal) and 5% discount on guns and ammo. Basic break even is if I go at least 5 times a year. I try to go more frequently to make sure I get in some practice and be cost effective.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland at March 01, 2026 07:06 PM (2BTkX)
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What up RMBS! How did you do with the snow last weekend?
I easily got a foot and a half. Spent an hour or so Monday digging out the car, loathing the weather and wondering if I will be putting in my notice so I can move South, permanently. :-)
I easily got a foot and a half. Spent an hour or so Monday digging out the car, loathing the weather and wondering if I will be putting in my notice so I can move South, permanently. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:08 PM (cme47)
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They also have family memberships and I believe higher cost memberships that drop out the range fee.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland at March 01, 2026 07:08 PM (2BTkX)
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10 I have a membership at a local indoor range in Dallas. For basic membership - $100/yr 1st year; $75/yr 2nd year; $50/yr 3rd year. Stays at $50 onward. It allows 1/2 off cost of range time ($20 normal) and 5% discount on guns and ammo. Basic break even is if I go at least 5 times a year. I try to go more frequently to make sure I get in some practice and be cost effective.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland
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Good prices compared to my location. Well worth going but you might want to think about reloading soon so save your brass if you can. Once fired brass is the chef's kiss of reloading. Once you reload, you can shoot more, especially if the cartridges that you fire are not 9mm or .223. You save some money on those, just not as much as something like 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 45 ACP, etc.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland
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Good prices compared to my location. Well worth going but you might want to think about reloading soon so save your brass if you can. Once fired brass is the chef's kiss of reloading. Once you reload, you can shoot more, especially if the cartridges that you fire are not 9mm or .223. You save some money on those, just not as much as something like 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 45 ACP, etc.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:08 PM (E4rtv)
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Hello everyone. Yes Weasel, buy more ammo.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at March 01, 2026 07:09 PM (qFwJc)
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Posted by: Lurking in Garland at March 01, 2026 07:06 PM (2BTkX)
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Interesting membership cost structure. Thanks!
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Interesting membership cost structure. Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 07:10 PM (KX0bc)
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8 Supposedly March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb. Let's hope that trope proves true.
No range report. I just stare at my rifle and wish for much nicer weather so I can see what the rifle feels like and if I have the scope on good.
Someday, just not today.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
Hopefully you will be able to go and shoot soon. Put a bullseye up for me as I won't be shooting any rifles or shotguns for a long while yet after surgery.
No range report. I just stare at my rifle and wish for much nicer weather so I can see what the rifle feels like and if I have the scope on good.
Someday, just not today.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
Hopefully you will be able to go and shoot soon. Put a bullseye up for me as I won't be shooting any rifles or shotguns for a long while yet after surgery.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:10 PM (E4rtv)
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I have a membership at my local indoor range. $375 annually. Breakeven point is 18 visits with veterans discount.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:11 PM (BCwQW)
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A new thread.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:11 PM (UFwgc)
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Donate yer guns to the Persians.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 01, 2026 07:12 PM (KiBMU)
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We have a launch in 2 hours. Space Affairs will not be doing the stream tonight. I am providing an alternative link.
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 10-41
SLC-40 - CSFS - The Launch Pad
Launch Date: March 1, 2026 EST
Launch Time: 9:56 p.m. EST (March 2, 0256 UTC, 03:56 CET)
https://youtu.be/JQowtuD6v2U
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 10-41
SLC-40 - CSFS - The Launch Pad
Launch Date: March 1, 2026 EST
Launch Time: 9:56 p.m. EST (March 2, 0256 UTC, 03:56 CET)
https://youtu.be/JQowtuD6v2U
Posted by: Joyenz at March 01, 2026 07:12 PM (2F0/Y)
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What's the gate price?
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:12 PM (UFwgc)
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14 Hello everyone. Yes Weasel, buy more ammo.
Posted by: no one of any consequence
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Learn to reload as well. Save your once fired brass as it is worth something for that.
Reloading means you can keep shooting when the wells of ammo run dry. Particular important if you shoot anything other than 9mm or .223.
Posted by: no one of any consequence
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Learn to reload as well. Save your once fired brass as it is worth something for that.
Reloading means you can keep shooting when the wells of ammo run dry. Particular important if you shoot anything other than 9mm or .223.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:12 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 07:14 PM (KX0bc)
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Shooting can get expensive, I guess.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (UFwgc)
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I am a member of a local gun club (seven minutes away!) That charges a pittance...$83/year!
I am also a member of the NJ state pistol and rifle association range that is about $150/year. Its about 45 minutes away,and quite nice!
It's strange...I live in a fascist blue state yet I can shoot easily!
I am also a member of the NJ state pistol and rifle association range that is about $150/year. Its about 45 minutes away,and quite nice!
It's strange...I live in a fascist blue state yet I can shoot easily!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (n9ltV)
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A friend of my mom's posted a mug she bought her husband. I thought it appropriate for the gun thread.
https://tinyurl.com/3v3cuy2w
https://tinyurl.com/3v3cuy2w
Posted by: Joyenz at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (2F0/Y)
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Crafting reloaded rifle ammo also brings a helluva lot of benefits as you can bring down the sky high prices of obscure ammo down to where you can afford to practice much more and save the premium stuff for the hunt.
Think of it as literally bespoke ammunition.
Think of it as literally bespoke ammunition.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:17 PM (E4rtv)
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Impossible reloads.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:18 PM (UFwgc)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 07:18 PM (KX0bc)
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A friend of my mom's posted a mug she bought her husband. I thought it appropriate for the gun thread.
https://tinyurl.com/3v3cuy2w
Posted by: Joyenz [/i\
Cumbersome
A friend of my mom's posted a mug she bought her husband. I thought it appropriate for the gun thread.
https://tinyurl.com/3v3cuy2w
Posted by: Joyenz [/i\
Cumbersome
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 01, 2026 07:18 PM (Cqx++)
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16 I won't be shooting any rifles or shotguns for a long while yet after surgery.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:10 PM
Hopefully the recovery will not take to long.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:10 PM
Hopefully the recovery will not take to long.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:18 PM (cme47)
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My local gun range is NRA sponsored. It is 100$/ year plus NRA membership for the insurance. Is that pricey and a common practice?
Posted by: Accomac at March 01, 2026 07:19 PM (/Chlc)
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Is it a new month already?
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:19 PM (UFwgc)
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It is currently very sunny and about 12 degrees here, which is certainly the high. Was down to about -20 last night, and it will be again tonight. Not great shooting weather, except there does appear to be some heat in the sun finally, so spring may yet come. This is the time of year that makes it difficult to believe.
I have yet to try my Christmas present from DH. Shoulder surgery and damned cold weather have put a kink in that. Another month and I can start to practice off the back deck. The thought of that makes me smile.
I have yet to try my Christmas present from DH. Shoulder surgery and damned cold weather have put a kink in that. Another month and I can start to practice off the back deck. The thought of that makes me smile.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 07:19 PM (I40wl)
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24 Shooting can get expensive, I guess.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Just like golf or fishing. Lots of geegaws, gadgets, etc. peripheral to shooting that people buy, try, and put on a shelf.
For example, anyone that carries pistols has a lot of holsters sitting in a box, drawer, etc. that they bought, tried, and decided to use something else.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Just like golf or fishing. Lots of geegaws, gadgets, etc. peripheral to shooting that people buy, try, and put on a shelf.
For example, anyone that carries pistols has a lot of holsters sitting in a box, drawer, etc. that they bought, tried, and decided to use something else.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:19 PM (E4rtv)
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25 It's strange...I live in a fascist blue state yet I can shoot easily!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM
Looking forward to seeing you at the range. Maybe later this month if the weather gets nicer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM
Looking forward to seeing you at the range. Maybe later this month if the weather gets nicer.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (cme47)
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24 Shooting can get expensive, I guess.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (UFwgc)
Turning money into noise.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (UFwgc)
Turning money into noise.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (I40wl)
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With the current situation (as shown by Austin) it's important to stay strapped and alert.
Just like always.
Just like always.
Posted by: KCSteve at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (2+WvJ)
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My "hoarding/stockpiling" of components - done for multiple mundane reasons, just as with buying ammo (or toilet paper, or mixed nuts or bottled water) - in prior years is paying off. So taken together my cost of a round of any caliber I do is a fraction of current prices.
Again, lots of reasons to reload if one has the druthers and suitable situation. But even on cost, even for common calibers, still a win.
Of courxe, it doesn't load itself. And my goodfornothing crew is sitting there looking at backorders for 9mm, 30 carbine, and 30-06. Hard to find good help these days.
Again, lots of reasons to reload if one has the druthers and suitable situation. But even on cost, even for common calibers, still a win.
Of courxe, it doesn't load itself. And my goodfornothing crew is sitting there looking at backorders for 9mm, 30 carbine, and 30-06. Hard to find good help these days.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (U/Byj)
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I brought up a rebuttal to people that suggested dropping guns to the population in Iran.
My point being that the populace had no experience with gun handling as long guns were being talked about as the option.
RMBS very astutely pointed out that military service was mandatory in Iran.
The option seemed more reasonable when talking about sending revolvers
The current thinking in Iran was if the IRGC saw you with a gun they would just shoot everyone
My point being that the populace had no experience with gun handling as long guns were being talked about as the option.
RMBS very astutely pointed out that military service was mandatory in Iran.
The option seemed more reasonable when talking about sending revolvers
The current thinking in Iran was if the IRGC saw you with a gun they would just shoot everyone
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:21 PM (+nEug)
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32 My local gun range is NRA sponsored. It is 100$/ year plus NRA membership for the insurance. Is that pricey and a common practice?
Posted by: Accomac
Good price. Around me, I have guntry clubs--initiation fees and memberships starting at 250-300 per year for one person. Or you pay about 20-30 bucks per visit. The high fees are in part to keep the gangbangers out but it hits those that are poor and trying to simply practice enough to save their lives.
Posted by: Accomac
Good price. Around me, I have guntry clubs--initiation fees and memberships starting at 250-300 per year for one person. Or you pay about 20-30 bucks per visit. The high fees are in part to keep the gangbangers out but it hits those that are poor and trying to simply practice enough to save their lives.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:21 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (cme47)
Its nice in the winter because it is almost empty!
Its nice in the winter because it is almost empty!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:22 PM (n9ltV)
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The option seemed more reasonable when talking about sending revolvers
The current thinking in Iran was if the IRGC saw you with a gun they would just shoot everyone
Posted by: Ben Had
We dropped Liberator one shot 45 ACP pistols into occupied Europe for a reason. Easy to operate, cheap, and one bullet gets a enemies gun and their ammo if used properly.
The current thinking in Iran was if the IRGC saw you with a gun they would just shoot everyone
Posted by: Ben Had
We dropped Liberator one shot 45 ACP pistols into occupied Europe for a reason. Easy to operate, cheap, and one bullet gets a enemies gun and their ammo if used properly.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (E4rtv)
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My local gun range is NRA sponsored. It is 100$/ year plus NRA membership for the insurance. Is that pricey and a common practice?
Requiring NRA membership for insurance reasons is very common. Depending on the facilities available, $100/yr is at the low end of what I've seen.
Requiring NRA membership for insurance reasons is very common. Depending on the facilities available, $100/yr is at the low end of what I've seen.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (Fs0KI)
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24 Shooting can get expensive, I guess.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM
Any sport I took up was expensive, especially the equiptment
Skiing
Golf
Scuba diving
Shooting
Thousands upon thousands spent, but boy I had fun. :-)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM
Any sport I took up was expensive, especially the equiptment
Skiing
Golf
Scuba diving
Shooting
Thousands upon thousands spent, but boy I had fun. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (cme47)
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Donate yer guns to the Persians.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 01, 2026 07:12 PM (KiBMU)
Swap for some collectibles instead. Before the Russians and Chinese flooded the Ayatollah's guys with AKs and SKSs, G3s, MP5s, M1911s, Browning High Powers, and M3 Grease Guns were inherited from the Shah's armories. They're probably worse for wear over the last 40 plus years, but you can't have everything.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 01, 2026 07:12 PM (KiBMU)
Swap for some collectibles instead. Before the Russians and Chinese flooded the Ayatollah's guys with AKs and SKSs, G3s, MP5s, M1911s, Browning High Powers, and M3 Grease Guns were inherited from the Shah's armories. They're probably worse for wear over the last 40 plus years, but you can't have everything.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks Whig - I mostly shoot 9mm. I just got a scope for my AR - have yet to try it. I was looking at cost of reloading for 9mm, didn't seem like a lot of savings. i kind of like the idea of doing it. We reloaded a lot of 12/20 shotgun shell for my Dad when my brother and I were kids. It was fun just doing it.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (2BTkX)
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https://www.danielgreenfield.org/iran has been at war with us for 47 years
https://tinyurl.com/2xkvw6tp
https://tinyurl.com/2xkvw6tp
Posted by: Skip at March 01, 2026 07:24 PM (Ia/+0)
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What up RMBS! How did you do with the snow last weekend?
I easily got a foot and a half. Spent an hour or so Monday digging out the car, loathing the weather and wondering if I will be putting in my notice so I can move South, permanently. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:08 PM
Not bad. We got about a foot, but drifts were a good three feet in some areas. The mom's neighbor has access to a Bobcat, so that made it a bit easier to dig her out later. I need a nice mild weekend so I can zero the new scope on the Winchester.
I easily got a foot and a half. Spent an hour or so Monday digging out the car, loathing the weather and wondering if I will be putting in my notice so I can move South, permanently. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:08 PM
Not bad. We got about a foot, but drifts were a good three feet in some areas. The mom's neighbor has access to a Bobcat, so that made it a bit easier to dig her out later. I need a nice mild weekend so I can zero the new scope on the Winchester.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 01, 2026 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)
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Today would have been my father's 95th birthday if the clot shot hadn't killed him. He taught me how to shoot, and he reloaded as well. I have his old beat up shotgun, that needs to be refurbished. It has a lovely wood stock. My brother got the pearl handled Colt .45. My grandfather shot a man in Seattle with it, dude was trying to mug him but when he went for his dog, that was the deciding point. Grandpa may have looked frail, but he grew up on a ranch in WYO and knew varmints when he saw them. Charges were never filed.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 07:25 PM (I40wl)
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Of courxe, it doesn't load itself. And my goodfornothing crew is sitting there looking at backorders for 9mm, 30 carbine, and 30-06. Hard to find good help these days.
Posted by: rhomboid
Heh. The easiest pay it forward is to teach and supervise someone else to reload using your equipment and brass. That being said, lot of decent and low cost progressive presses outside.
Even a good turret press can churn out 150 rounds or a bit more if you have auto indexing.
Posted by: rhomboid
Heh. The easiest pay it forward is to teach and supervise someone else to reload using your equipment and brass. That being said, lot of decent and low cost progressive presses outside.
Even a good turret press can churn out 150 rounds or a bit more if you have auto indexing.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:25 PM (E4rtv)
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42 Its nice in the winter because it is almost empty!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:22 PM
I took the 20th off. It is a Friday. Want to pencil it in?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:22 PM
I took the 20th off. It is a Friday. Want to pencil it in?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:25 PM (cme47)
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whig, there is the rub " if used properly"
Can a person with no experience hit a moving target at 25 yards?
Can a person with no experience hit a moving target at 25 yards?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:26 PM (+nEug)
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We dropped Liberator one shot 45 ACP pistols into occupied Europe for a reason. Easy to operate, cheap, and one bullet gets a enemies gun and their ammo if used properly.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (E4rtv)
Isn't that what Hi-Points are today after you factor in inflation? IIRC, each Liberator cost Uncle about $2 each in 1942.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:23 PM (E4rtv)
Isn't that what Hi-Points are today after you factor in inflation? IIRC, each Liberator cost Uncle about $2 each in 1942.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:26 PM (BCwQW)
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Almost on topic:
Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Posted by: davidt at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (Q+gd/)
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It's strange...I live in a fascist blue state yet I can shoot easily!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM
As anti-gun as MA is, I have a great club in my town. 600 yards of range, and a very competition oriented crowd. And the police donate money to us. It's a little piece of sanity in a blue state.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM
As anti-gun as MA is, I have a great club in my town. 600 yards of range, and a very competition oriented crowd. And the police donate money to us. It's a little piece of sanity in a blue state.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Methos at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (vSvIl)
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Nothing says good morning like 30 tommahawks.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2026 07:28 PM (UFwgc)
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55 Almost on topic:
Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Posted by: davidt at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (Q+gd/)
There was a graphic on Fox this morning that showed bombers from Missouri. Don't know if they were for the people places or the bomb places.
Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Posted by: davidt at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (Q+gd/)
There was a graphic on Fox this morning that showed bombers from Missouri. Don't know if they were for the people places or the bomb places.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 07:28 PM (I40wl)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 07:29 PM (KX0bc)
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Can a person with no experience hit a moving target at 25 yards?
Hitting anything at 25 yards with a Liberator pistol is more a matter of luck than skill. They were intended for much more personal encounters.
Hitting anything at 25 yards with a Liberator pistol is more a matter of luck than skill. They were intended for much more personal encounters.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:29 PM (Fs0KI)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special month-of-Sundays greeting to our host Weasel.
I shamefully let my membership to my local freedom range lapse. I rarely get there as much as I used to, and that's something I need to make a plan to change soon.
I shamefully let my membership to my local freedom range lapse. I rarely get there as much as I used to, and that's something I need to make a plan to change soon.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at March 01, 2026 07:29 PM (v23vE)
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Watched that video about what to say to the cops if pulled over.
That is why I will keep to the speed limit the best that I can and not do anything stupid that would catch the eye of the police.
I hope never to have to go through that type of stop. I will remember "I plead the Fifth" and "I do not consent to searches"
That is why I will keep to the speed limit the best that I can and not do anything stupid that would catch the eye of the police.
I hope never to have to go through that type of stop. I will remember "I plead the Fifth" and "I do not consent to searches"
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:30 PM (cme47)
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47 Thanks Whig - I mostly shoot 9mm. I just got a scope for my AR - have yet to try it. I was looking at cost of reloading for 9mm, didn't seem like a lot of savings. i kind of like the idea of doing it. We reloaded a lot of 12/20 shotgun shell for my Dad when my brother and I were kids. It was fun just doing it.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland
Where reloading shines for a common cartridge is the perpetual ammo panics that Democrats in office foist on us. Learn via a cheap single stage press and like riding a bike, you can reload to keep shooting when necessary and when ammo is cheap, simply hoard the fired brass for the scarce times and drop your reloading to a case or two to keep your skills fresh.
A good single stage press can later be used to craft some damn good rifle ammo especially for Grandpa's 257 Roberts or similar legacy guns like the 300 Savage.
It can be used to prep and size ammo, etc. And it teaches you ballistics and a bunch of other useful knowledge about ammunition and your firearm.
Posted by: Lurking in Garland
Where reloading shines for a common cartridge is the perpetual ammo panics that Democrats in office foist on us. Learn via a cheap single stage press and like riding a bike, you can reload to keep shooting when necessary and when ammo is cheap, simply hoard the fired brass for the scarce times and drop your reloading to a case or two to keep your skills fresh.
A good single stage press can later be used to craft some damn good rifle ammo especially for Grandpa's 257 Roberts or similar legacy guns like the 300 Savage.
It can be used to prep and size ammo, etc. And it teaches you ballistics and a bunch of other useful knowledge about ammunition and your firearm.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:30 PM (E4rtv)
65
The Israelis took out Khamenei.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:31 PM (+nEug)
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Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!
Posted by: TRex - pre-eclipse dino at March 01, 2026 07:31 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at March 01, 2026 07:31 PM (sAmhv)
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61 Hitting anything at 25 yards with a Liberator pistol is more a matter of luck than skill. They were intended for much more personal encounters.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:29 PM
IIRC the Liberator pistol was used to liberate the gun (and ammot) of the person you shot.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:29 PM
IIRC the Liberator pistol was used to liberate the gun (and ammot) of the person you shot.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:32 PM (cme47)
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Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Posted by: davidt at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (Q+gd/)
Not officially confirmed, but OSINT sources say it was 2,000 pound JDAMS. Some say it was the IAF. Others say it was USAF B-2s. Note that the B-2 can pack up to 16 2,000 pound JDAMS in its bomb bay.
Posted by: davidt at March 01, 2026 07:27 PM (Q+gd/)
Not officially confirmed, but OSINT sources say it was 2,000 pound JDAMS. Some say it was the IAF. Others say it was USAF B-2s. Note that the B-2 can pack up to 16 2,000 pound JDAMS in its bomb bay.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:32 PM (BCwQW)
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Isn't that what Hi-Points are today after you factor in inflation? IIRC, each Liberator cost Uncle about $2 each in 1942.
A few years ago Collector's Firearms in Houston had a couple of them for sale. IIRC, they were somewhere around $2K. So a 1000X increase in 80 years. Not a bad investment, maybe even beats the rate of inflation.
A few years ago Collector's Firearms in Houston had a couple of them for sale. IIRC, they were somewhere around $2K. So a 1000X increase in 80 years. Not a bad investment, maybe even beats the rate of inflation.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:33 PM (Fs0KI)
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It is not much more than a clearing in the woods.
I hadn’t thought about insurance and such things. I have settled on an RF in 300Blackout so I can hunt in the woods. If I really like hunting, a 270 win, which is legal here, or maybe a 6.5 Creedmore for field work.
I hadn’t thought about insurance and such things. I have settled on an RF in 300Blackout so I can hunt in the woods. If I really like hunting, a 270 win, which is legal here, or maybe a 6.5 Creedmore for field work.
Posted by: Accomac at March 01, 2026 07:33 PM (T8bqm)
72
Lucky Gunner has some good prices.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 01, 2026 07:33 PM (2WIwB)
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I’ve never seen a range require NRA membership/
Insurance. I can see why private clubs would require it, though.
I’m getting a little closer to TSRA life membership though…
Insurance. I can see why private clubs would require it, though.
I’m getting a little closer to TSRA life membership though…
Posted by: Cow Demon at March 01, 2026 07:33 PM (hJH5n)
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Shoot that German at point blank range. All of a sudden you exchange you piece of crap and presto! You have an 8mm Mauser kar98k!
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 07:34 PM (zZu0s)
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Private gun range here was about $250 for induction, plus $150 a year. NRA memberships required. Additional family members are $50 a year but you can bring them as guests.
They do have a lot of ranges including several shoot-n-scoot and shotgun stuff. Basic ranges are free with membership,shoot-n-scoot and shotgun require additional range training, and some fees (for clays esp.).
Have I got my money's worth? No.
After retirement I will (still about a month out).
They do have a lot of ranges including several shoot-n-scoot and shotgun stuff. Basic ranges are free with membership,shoot-n-scoot and shotgun require additional range training, and some fees (for clays esp.).
Have I got my money's worth? No.
After retirement I will (still about a month out).
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 07:35 PM (/lPRQ)
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Can a person with no experience hit a moving target at 25 yards?
Posted by: Ben Had
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In cities, you do not shoot at 25 yards and Iran is urbanized nowadays. Liberators were for the dirty work of taking down the Basijis and various other scum that like to roll down streets with autopistols, etc. and shoot up crowds like the cowards they are.
I like firearms and firearms training a lot but in truth, most encounters of this sort are within 7 yards or so and even untrained people can shoot minute of man at that distance if the pistol is designed as a natural pointer.
Liberators or any cheap pistol are assassination and close in weapons for close range where they fulfill the first rule of a gun fight, have a gun. They also give hope and courage and can be used by the very young, the infirm, and the weak to equalize the odds.
Taking out moving targets at a distance takes training, shooting oppressive assholes at close range takes guts and courage to pull the trigger more than skill. That is why the 22 LR is way up there on the death charts, these are often what the poor can afford, use reasonably, and have put paid to a bunch of murderous assholes with bad intent.
Posted by: Ben Had
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In cities, you do not shoot at 25 yards and Iran is urbanized nowadays. Liberators were for the dirty work of taking down the Basijis and various other scum that like to roll down streets with autopistols, etc. and shoot up crowds like the cowards they are.
I like firearms and firearms training a lot but in truth, most encounters of this sort are within 7 yards or so and even untrained people can shoot minute of man at that distance if the pistol is designed as a natural pointer.
Liberators or any cheap pistol are assassination and close in weapons for close range where they fulfill the first rule of a gun fight, have a gun. They also give hope and courage and can be used by the very young, the infirm, and the weak to equalize the odds.
Taking out moving targets at a distance takes training, shooting oppressive assholes at close range takes guts and courage to pull the trigger more than skill. That is why the 22 LR is way up there on the death charts, these are often what the poor can afford, use reasonably, and have put paid to a bunch of murderous assholes with bad intent.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:36 PM (E4rtv)
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Really? A liberator worth more than an M1? Thats weird.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 07:36 PM (zZu0s)
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I am a member of a local gun club (seven minutes away!) That charges a pittance...$83/year!
I am also a member of the NJ state pistol and rifle association range that is about $150/year. Its about 45 minutes away,and quite nice!
It's strange...I live in a fascist blue state yet I can shoot easily!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (n9ltV)
A place about 2 miles from me is around $400 a year, but it's 24 hour access, you get your own key, no additional fees, and you can bring a guest. You can shoot pistol or high power rifles. Its a real nice place. I hear they reduce your yearly fees the next time around. I need to check it out and see what it really costs, because everybody i talked to have reduced fees and nobody seems to know the 1st timer price. They think 350-400, but could be less.
I am also a member of the NJ state pistol and rifle association range that is about $150/year. Its about 45 minutes away,and quite nice!
It's strange...I live in a fascist blue state yet I can shoot easily!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2026 07:16 PM (n9ltV)
A place about 2 miles from me is around $400 a year, but it's 24 hour access, you get your own key, no additional fees, and you can bring a guest. You can shoot pistol or high power rifles. Its a real nice place. I hear they reduce your yearly fees the next time around. I need to check it out and see what it really costs, because everybody i talked to have reduced fees and nobody seems to know the 1st timer price. They think 350-400, but could be less.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 01, 2026 07:38 PM (91z5R)
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Nice bit on the Remington 700.
My 788 is jealous.
My 788 is jealous.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 01, 2026 07:38 PM (2WIwB)
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Good evening to all and thank you to Weasel.
No shooting for me this week
No shooting for me this week
Posted by: Coelacanth at March 01, 2026 07:39 PM (jH5TK)
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A few years ago Collector's Firearms in Houston had a couple of them for sale. IIRC, they were somewhere around $2K. So a 1000X increase in 80 years. Not a bad investment, maybe even beats the rate of inflation.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:33 PM (Fs0KI)
Add in the original box, wooden dowel (aka casing ejector) and instruction booklet to the package will double that $2k to $4k. Not many of those have survived.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 07:33 PM (Fs0KI)
Add in the original box, wooden dowel (aka casing ejector) and instruction booklet to the package will double that $2k to $4k. Not many of those have survived.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:39 PM (BCwQW)
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Almost on topic:
Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Posted by: davidt
Was a video showing ~21 Tomahawk like objects inbound. Seems like a lot so I thought maybe the US has some much cheaper versions as drones. Why not use a proven airframe with Temu guidance and save $2M on each?
Has it been reported what the payload and means of delivery was for the boomage of the Iranian bigshots' meeting place?
Posted by: davidt
Was a video showing ~21 Tomahawk like objects inbound. Seems like a lot so I thought maybe the US has some much cheaper versions as drones. Why not use a proven airframe with Temu guidance and save $2M on each?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 07:40 PM (/lPRQ)
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Isn't that what Hi-Points are today after you factor in inflation? IIRC, each Liberator cost Uncle about $2 each in 1942.
Posted by: Ed L
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With semi automatics, there is a learning curve, mainly malfunction drills.
Single shot rifles, shotties, or handguns have very simple drills, you pull the non firing cartridge out of the chamber and reload.
Single shots are not my preference but they are far from not being practical even now for those that cannot or will not learn to manage a more complicated manual of arms. Logistics for any uprising is going to be critical and thus making every shot count is important. And that incentivizes capturing enemy firearms and ammo asap.
Posted by: Ed L
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With semi automatics, there is a learning curve, mainly malfunction drills.
Single shot rifles, shotties, or handguns have very simple drills, you pull the non firing cartridge out of the chamber and reload.
Single shots are not my preference but they are far from not being practical even now for those that cannot or will not learn to manage a more complicated manual of arms. Logistics for any uprising is going to be critical and thus making every shot count is important. And that incentivizes capturing enemy firearms and ammo asap.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:41 PM (E4rtv)
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whig, those are excellent points but I have a but. How close is a person with a one shot pistol going to want to get to a soldier that is ready to shoot them
It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:41 PM (+nEug)
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Temu guidance is what Iran uses
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 01, 2026 07:42 PM (2GVsD)
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It has been my impression that for missions as critical as taking out the mullahs, human piloted aircraft are preferred over guided missiles or drones.
Posted by: davidt at March 01, 2026 07:43 PM (Q+gd/)
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 01, 2026 07:44 PM (azNOR)
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Ben Had, I think it was always meant to be a passing the guy in an alley/ambush jind of thing. Hey, Bridgette, lure Jurgen behind the barn by promising to give him a knob shine and we'll do the rest.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 07:44 PM (zZu0s)
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84 whig, those are excellent points but I have a but. How close is a person with a one shot pistol going to want to get to a soldier that is ready to shoot them
It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
Posted by: Ben Had
They aren't going against soldiers but irregulars that are street thugs with regime approval. As I said, these thugs like rolling down on motorbikes and shooting people in crowds--they aren't what you call hardened troops anymore (not true after the Iran Iraq wars but those guys aged out).
The IRGC has more power but are also more visible to our drones, etc. wearing uniforms, and displaying more militaristic displays.
The Basiji are their thuggish punishment and informant brigades, not the trained assholes. But far more numerous than the IRGC on the streets so far by at least a factor of 3-4 to one.
It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
Posted by: Ben Had
They aren't going against soldiers but irregulars that are street thugs with regime approval. As I said, these thugs like rolling down on motorbikes and shooting people in crowds--they aren't what you call hardened troops anymore (not true after the Iran Iraq wars but those guys aged out).
The IRGC has more power but are also more visible to our drones, etc. wearing uniforms, and displaying more militaristic displays.
The Basiji are their thuggish punishment and informant brigades, not the trained assholes. But far more numerous than the IRGC on the streets so far by at least a factor of 3-4 to one.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:44 PM (E4rtv)
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Good evening folks.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 01, 2026 07:45 PM (CHHv1)
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I have been doing some researching of the .22 ARC cartridge and I'm thinking about buying an upper for my rifle. Any thoughts or knowledge about the cartridge would be appreciated.
Thanks
Thanks
Posted by: gdoubleu at March 01, 2026 07:45 PM (s9TOl)
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I am surprised they did not try to meet in some sort of underground bunker Ala their weapons labs. Just seems stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 07:45 PM (zZu0s)
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Posted by: gdoubleu at March 01, 2026 07:45 PM (s9TOl)
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Can't help with that cartridge but howdy and welcome!
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Can't help with that cartridge but howdy and welcome!
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 07:46 PM (KX0bc)
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Really? A liberator worth more than an M1? Thats weird.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 07:36 PM (zZu0s)
Not so weird if you factor in rarity. M1s are/were pretty common because of CMP and because six million plus were made. About a million Liberators were made, but because they were literally thrown out of planes over occupied territory, few of those sent into battle ever came back. Those left over in 1945 were mostly scrapped or destroyed to prevent their use by criminals or hostile powers. Because the Liberator itself was made very cheaply, it wasn't designed to last. IIRC, the gun is only good for about 10-20 shots before the stress on the metal will start cracking the breech. And collectors only wanted them long after production ended. High desirability plus a very limited supply of prime examples equals high prices.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 07:36 PM (zZu0s)
Not so weird if you factor in rarity. M1s are/were pretty common because of CMP and because six million plus were made. About a million Liberators were made, but because they were literally thrown out of planes over occupied territory, few of those sent into battle ever came back. Those left over in 1945 were mostly scrapped or destroyed to prevent their use by criminals or hostile powers. Because the Liberator itself was made very cheaply, it wasn't designed to last. IIRC, the gun is only good for about 10-20 shots before the stress on the metal will start cracking the breech. And collectors only wanted them long after production ended. High desirability plus a very limited supply of prime examples equals high prices.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:47 PM (BCwQW)
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Hmm...blueprinted actions. What Savage says they've done to my 110EP. Whatever the case may be, that thing shoots under 1/2 MOA. I'll take it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 01, 2026 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)
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I hope never to have to go through that type of stop. I will remember "I plead the Fifth" and "I do not consent to searches"
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
Not much you can do if the cop plans on going goon on you anyway.
I've had a squad of vice cops harass me for a bit in a touristy location and I entertained them as best I could... eventually asked if I was under arrest, they says "no", so I says "bye" and start walking away, they says "But we have your ID". Told them I'll go get another one tomorrow and just tell them some guys saying they were cops took it from me. Oldest 'cop' told his trainee to give back my ID.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
Not much you can do if the cop plans on going goon on you anyway.
I've had a squad of vice cops harass me for a bit in a touristy location and I entertained them as best I could... eventually asked if I was under arrest, they says "no", so I says "bye" and start walking away, they says "But we have your ID". Told them I'll go get another one tomorrow and just tell them some guys saying they were cops took it from me. Oldest 'cop' told his trainee to give back my ID.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 07:48 PM (/lPRQ)
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Blueprinting is such an archaic term. We did this in the 80s.
I think a more modern reference would be 'reverse engineering' with the hope that you can make improvements on the old design.
Anyway, just a thought from the cheap seats. The Chinese have built a civilization on reverse engineering our tech.
I think a more modern reference would be 'reverse engineering' with the hope that you can make improvements on the old design.
Anyway, just a thought from the cheap seats. The Chinese have built a civilization on reverse engineering our tech.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at March 01, 2026 07:48 PM (gVUi7)
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It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:41 PM (+nEug)
I suspect it was much easier for women to make this happen than men. "Hey, honey, can I put a nice shine on your revolver?" LOL.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:41 PM (+nEug)
I suspect it was much easier for women to make this happen than men. "Hey, honey, can I put a nice shine on your revolver?" LOL.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 07:49 PM (I40wl)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 07:50 PM (0sNs1)
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It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
Posted by: Ben Had
That is one of the factors that I figured out reading after action reports for decades from the NRA column and a guy, Clayton Cramer, who started the whole Guns Saves Lives, history prof in Idaho I think. He compiled a vast amount of self defense shootings and it was relatively uncommon for trained people to be shooting in those reports. It was Grandma with her trusty 22 LR revolver, Fred the Butcher with a 32 S&W Long revolver, Sheila who was poor but done with being terrorized by her ex and ventilating him before being beaten, raped again.
Willpower, faith, and courage aka software matters in a fight. Training polishes those attributes but the underlying gumption to do something to stop evil cannot be acquired by training. It has to come from within. Hardware in most cases outside military use doesn't matter as much as the will to pull the trigger and fight.
Posted by: Ben Had
That is one of the factors that I figured out reading after action reports for decades from the NRA column and a guy, Clayton Cramer, who started the whole Guns Saves Lives, history prof in Idaho I think. He compiled a vast amount of self defense shootings and it was relatively uncommon for trained people to be shooting in those reports. It was Grandma with her trusty 22 LR revolver, Fred the Butcher with a 32 S&W Long revolver, Sheila who was poor but done with being terrorized by her ex and ventilating him before being beaten, raped again.
Willpower, faith, and courage aka software matters in a fight. Training polishes those attributes but the underlying gumption to do something to stop evil cannot be acquired by training. It has to come from within. Hardware in most cases outside military use doesn't matter as much as the will to pull the trigger and fight.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:50 PM (E4rtv)
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I think a LOT about being pulled over these days. I don’t speed. I follow road rules. I am very passive when I drive BECAUSE I am armed.
Seattle cops are so maligned. I can’t imagine the type of person who wants to be a cop in this city. Their job is impossible. So, I guess pleading the fifth and not allowing a search is reasonable, but here, would it be considered passive aggressive?
I just want to be able to defend myself. I have a concealed weapons permit. I train regularly. Police could see I have a membership at a gun club and the staff knows me. Heck, we get checked in before the range opens because they know our cars (me MAE and LazyMessenger).
I keep my Colt pony .380 in the console. Cocked and locked. And I practice with it.
Seattle cops are so maligned. I can’t imagine the type of person who wants to be a cop in this city. Their job is impossible. So, I guess pleading the fifth and not allowing a search is reasonable, but here, would it be considered passive aggressive?
I just want to be able to defend myself. I have a concealed weapons permit. I train regularly. Police could see I have a membership at a gun club and the staff knows me. Heck, we get checked in before the range opens because they know our cars (me MAE and LazyMessenger).
I keep my Colt pony .380 in the console. Cocked and locked. And I practice with it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 01, 2026 07:50 PM (A5RD0)
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Weasel: I had a great weekend for guns. Picked up a new revolver on Friday and took it to the Steel Shoot on Saturday. S&W Performance Center was smooth and made me look 3x better than I am.
I’ve been reloading for decades now. For newbies don’t count on saving any money, but the satisfaction of doing it better every year is a reward of its own. Plus it’s great to be able to roll your own during the occasional democrat-caused ammo drought
I’ve been reloading for decades now. For newbies don’t count on saving any money, but the satisfaction of doing it better every year is a reward of its own. Plus it’s great to be able to roll your own during the occasional democrat-caused ammo drought
Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at March 01, 2026 07:51 PM (2obSz)
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Three more months and we'll not be seeing snow. Maybe.
Three more months and we'll not be seeing snow. Maybe.
Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:51 PM (Y8DZL)
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(apologize for OT, but to no one of any consequence, I was joking too. No offense taken, and certainly none meant)
Posted by: barbarausa at March 01, 2026 07:51 PM (enw9G)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 07:52 PM (KX0bc)
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91 I have been doing some researching of the .22 ARC cartridge and I'm thinking about buying an upper for my rifle. Any thoughts or knowledge about the cartridge would be appreciated.
Thanks
Posted by: gdoubleu
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Figure out what purpose you want it for and tell us and we can steer you a bit more. Hunting? Self Defense? Zombie invasion? Target Shooting? First Centerfire Rifle or even a Rifle?
For the most part, cartridges are a balance of what you want to do with them, they can be fine for one purpose but mediocre or awful for another.
Thanks
Posted by: gdoubleu
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Figure out what purpose you want it for and tell us and we can steer you a bit more. Hunting? Self Defense? Zombie invasion? Target Shooting? First Centerfire Rifle or even a Rifle?
For the most part, cartridges are a balance of what you want to do with them, they can be fine for one purpose but mediocre or awful for another.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:53 PM (E4rtv)
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Seattle cops are so maligned. I can’t imagine the type of person who wants to be a cop in this city. Their job is impossible. So, I guess pleading the fifth and not allowing a search is reasonable, but here, would it be considered passive aggressive?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 01, 2026 07:50 PM (A5RD0)
Only if the cop is a complete dick, and that does happen. Make sure the cop has a body camera, or if not, that you are recording everything. If something goes bad, you have proof. And no, they cannot require you to turn off your phone. They know that.
We had some seriously screwy State Troopers up here for a bit. Got into some situations that should never have occurred. Recordings from the victims' phones finally got them cashiered.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 01, 2026 07:50 PM (A5RD0)
Only if the cop is a complete dick, and that does happen. Make sure the cop has a body camera, or if not, that you are recording everything. If something goes bad, you have proof. And no, they cannot require you to turn off your phone. They know that.
We had some seriously screwy State Troopers up here for a bit. Got into some situations that should never have occurred. Recordings from the victims' phones finally got them cashiered.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 07:53 PM (I40wl)
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The Basiji are their thuggish punishment and informant brigades, not the trained assholes. But far more numerous than the IRGC on the streets so far by at least a factor of 3-4 to one.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:44 PM (E4rtv)
The Ayatollahs also brought in Hezbolloah or Iraqi Shite militiamen to do their dirty work when it came to crushing local discontent. But they needed serious $$ to do that. I don't know if they have the $$ to cover that hired muscle now.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:44 PM (E4rtv)
The Ayatollahs also brought in Hezbolloah or Iraqi Shite militiamen to do their dirty work when it came to crushing local discontent. But they needed serious $$ to do that. I don't know if they have the $$ to cover that hired muscle now.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM (BCwQW)
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It becomes more about mental attitude than skil doesn't it.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:41 PM
Indeed.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 07:41 PM
Indeed.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM (0sNs1)
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I’ve been reloading for decades now. For newbies don’t count on saving any money, but the satisfaction of doing it better every year is a reward of its own. Plus it’s great to be able to roll your own during the occasional democrat-caused ammo drought
Posted by: Jackdaddy63
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Cool, nice to hear S&W Performance Center is doing the job. Thanks for posting that datapoint.
Posted by: Jackdaddy63
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Cool, nice to hear S&W Performance Center is doing the job. Thanks for posting that datapoint.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM (E4rtv)
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OMG. Almost an hour late. My Permanent Record is in tatters. And it’s only March!
But the spicy meatballs were very good.
But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM (gAJUR)
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I have been doing some researching of the .22 ARC cartridge and I'm thinking about buying an upper for my rifle. Any thoughts or knowledge about the cartridge would be appreciated.
Thanks
Posted by: gdoubleu
Some on the internet say the 6mm ARC is superior.
Internet so must be true.
Thanks
Posted by: gdoubleu
Some on the internet say the 6mm ARC is superior.
Internet so must be true.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (/lPRQ)
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Can anyone recommend a short video on u tube for explaining guns to people who say "I don't know anything about guns?"
Beginner overview stuff.
Can anyone recommend a short video on u tube for explaining guns to people who say "I don't know anything about guns?"
Beginner overview stuff.
Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (Y8DZL)
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The Ayatollahs also brought in Hezbolloah or Iraqi Shite militiamen to do their dirty work when it came to crushing local discontent. But they needed serious $$ to do that. I don't know if they have the $$ to cover that hired muscle now.
Posted by: Ed L a
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Their own homegrown oppressors were getting spooked at killing their own people. Regimes are on borrowed time when you have to bring in foreign thugs to kill your own people and mercenary killers are usually the first to get the wrath of the people when things go pear shaped.
Posted by: Ed L a
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Their own homegrown oppressors were getting spooked at killing their own people. Regimes are on borrowed time when you have to bring in foreign thugs to kill your own people and mercenary killers are usually the first to get the wrath of the people when things go pear shaped.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (E4rtv)
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111 But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM
Meatballs.....mmmmmmm
Your lateness is excused this time. ;-)
How ya doing Red? Get out to the range?
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM
Meatballs.....mmmmmmm
Your lateness is excused this time. ;-)
How ya doing Red? Get out to the range?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 01, 2026 07:57 PM (cme47)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 07:57 PM (0sNs1)
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Auspex,
NRA Guide to Buying Your First Gun
https://tinyurl.com/Buying-Your-First-Gun
How Things Work
https://science.howstuffworks.com/gun-roundup.htm
NRA Guide to Buying Your First Gun
https://tinyurl.com/Buying-Your-First-Gun
How Things Work
https://science.howstuffworks.com/gun-roundup.htm
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:59 PM (E4rtv)
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OMG. Almost an hour late. My Permanent Record is in tatters. And it’s only March!
But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM
Dood. Hanging out on the Food Thread once the GT is up isn't going to cut it.
But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM
Dood. Hanging out on the Food Thread once the GT is up isn't going to cut it.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 07:59 PM (0sNs1)
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Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (Y8DZL)
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There must be a bunch. Try searching YouTube for "introduction to firearms" or something along those lines. Bet you will find a lot
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There must be a bunch. Try searching YouTube for "introduction to firearms" or something along those lines. Bet you will find a lot
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 08:00 PM (KX0bc)
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And Auspex,
A huge number of animated shorts on YouTube that show firearm operation in real time using animated cutaways so you can see the action working.
A huge number of animated shorts on YouTube that show firearm operation in real time using animated cutaways so you can see the action working.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:00 PM (E4rtv)
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22 Arc is a great round, I shoot the Hornady 88gn ELDM's. They shoot like a 6 Creedmoor, unbelievable for a pea shooter. Ballistic Advantage makes a great 24" bull barrel for a good price, I have three. The absolute best use of very little powder!! haha
Posted by: ck at March 01, 2026 08:03 PM (JKvyz)
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Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (Y8DZL)
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Better yet, take them to the range and show them!
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Better yet, take them to the range and show them!
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 08:03 PM (KX0bc)
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The Islamic terrorist who shot up downtown Austin, TX, was naturalized as a US citizen when Barack Hussein Obama was President in 2013, despite a history of arrests while living in New York City from 2000 to 2008, as well as in Texas afterwards.
And yet, somehow, it was the gun that caused the violence.
And yet, somehow, it was the gun that caused the violence.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 08:04 PM (0sNs1)
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OMG. Almost an hour late. My Permanent Record is in tatters. And it’s only March!
But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody!
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At least you provided a decent excuse!
But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody!
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At least you provided a decent excuse!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at March 01, 2026 08:04 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Their own homegrown oppressors were getting spooked at killing their own people. Regimes are on borrowed time when you have to bring in foreign thugs to kill your own people and mercenary killers are usually the first to get the wrath of the people when things go pear shaped.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (E4rtv)
Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (E4rtv)
Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:04 PM (BCwQW)
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Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (Y8DZL)
It's a lot of money to drop up front but my local gun club / range takes new members who have never shot before and will show them the basics on the the induction day (with range guns). Also a bunch of classes at various skill levels.
Indoor ranges will often have classes for those who never so much as picked up a gun.
It's a lot of money to drop up front but my local gun club / range takes new members who have never shot before and will show them the basics on the the induction day (with range guns). Also a bunch of classes at various skill levels.
Indoor ranges will often have classes for those who never so much as picked up a gun.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:05 PM (/lPRQ)
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Weasel, how is WW doing? And, we can haz Cozy Cave sitrep?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 08:07 PM (0sNs1)
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Their own homegrown oppressors were getting spooked at killing their own people. Regimes are on borrowed time when you have to bring in foreign thugs to kill your own people and mercenary killers are usually the first to get the wrath of the people when things go pear shaped.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (E4rtv)
Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: Ed L
Something Trump can require as a prerequisite for 'discussions'.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (E4rtv)
Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: Ed L
Something Trump can require as a prerequisite for 'discussions'.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:07 PM (/lPRQ)
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Back when I spoke to people, I would offer to take anyone who expressed an interest in shooting to the range as my guest, using my guns and ammo.
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 08:08 PM (KX0bc)
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I mentioned this on the hobby thread. For some reason the usual suspects: MidwayUSA, Midsouth, and Natchez have been having sales for reloading tools and associated gear. If you want to get into that part of the hobby, those sales prices can help. I haven't noticed similar sales for components like powder and primers but might have missed that.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 08:08 PM (yTvNw)
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I shoot a lot of 6 ARC too, if I had to chose one I'd go with the 22, they're like the 6.5 Creedmoor, everything is easy and just works.
Posted by: ck at March 01, 2026 08:09 PM (JKvyz)
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Go figure that the one bar in Texas that wouldn't shoot back at a terrorist was in Austin. :eyeroll:
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:09 PM (Wt5PA)
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My range cost where I'm an RSO is free.99, of course. Which is a good price. Just haven't been getting there enough. 45 minutes away. Real payoff is "after hours" shooting, which of course will become more and more relevant as the days grow longer. Basically have your own range.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:10 PM (U/Byj)
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107 Seattle cops are so maligned. I can’t imagine the type of person who wants to be a cop in this city. Their job is impossible. So, I guess pleading the fifth and not allowing a search is reasonable, but here, would it be considered passive aggressive?
Posted by: nurse ratched
Just be polite but firm. You don't have to resemble the regulator types on YT. Under Terry v Ohio, cops are allowed to briefly detain, require id, and ask you what you are doing. They can and will look you over to see if you are carrying weapons if halfway competent and if so, they can pat you down for weapons using a brief frisk. To do this, they must have reasonable suspicion. If you are carrying weapons, there are additional steps that depend on state law such as requiring showing a permit to do such, they can take the firearm and check serial numbers, etc.
Look up Terry Stop for the latest and if you put your particular state in the search term with Terry Stop, you will get more of an idea about state and federal caselaw applying to stops in public without a warrant.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Just be polite but firm. You don't have to resemble the regulator types on YT. Under Terry v Ohio, cops are allowed to briefly detain, require id, and ask you what you are doing. They can and will look you over to see if you are carrying weapons if halfway competent and if so, they can pat you down for weapons using a brief frisk. To do this, they must have reasonable suspicion. If you are carrying weapons, there are additional steps that depend on state law such as requiring showing a permit to do such, they can take the firearm and check serial numbers, etc.
Look up Terry Stop for the latest and if you put your particular state in the search term with Terry Stop, you will get more of an idea about state and federal caselaw applying to stops in public without a warrant.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:10 PM (E4rtv)
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Weasel, how is WW doing? And, we can haz Cozy Cave sitrep?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 08:07 PM (0sNs1)
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WW is good, thanks for asking. Her leg healed up nicely but evidently the knee now predicts the weather. CC usage has fallen off with moderating temperatures. FSJ still gets in but Gertie spends her time mostly on top!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 01, 2026 08:07 PM (0sNs1)
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WW is good, thanks for asking. Her leg healed up nicely but evidently the knee now predicts the weather. CC usage has fallen off with moderating temperatures. FSJ still gets in but Gertie spends her time mostly on top!
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 08:11 PM (KX0bc)
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Beginner overview stuff.
Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (Y8DZL)
Auspex, back awhile on my blog, I did a “Bangsticks for Beginners”. I’ve also done a recent one for AR 15s - “ARs for Emily”.
Both are very beginner- oriented.
Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 07:56 PM (Y8DZL)
Auspex, back awhile on my blog, I did a “Bangsticks for Beginners”. I’ve also done a recent one for AR 15s - “ARs for Emily”.
Both are very beginner- oriented.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 08:13 PM (Edxq2)
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Can anyone recommend a short video on u tube for explaining guns to people who say "I don't know anything about guns?"
Hoo boy, that's a loaded question (NPI). Everything on youtube is to be taken with a grain of salt; gun stuff with a block of salt. I guess the first thing I would check is the NRA website under the "Education" tab and see if there is anything there. If not, Youtube producers I would trust include Hickok45 and Paul Harrell. Again, I don't know if either of those have "first steps" vids. After hitting Post on this, I'll go search around and report back before the ONT.
Hoo boy, that's a loaded question (NPI). Everything on youtube is to be taken with a grain of salt; gun stuff with a block of salt. I guess the first thing I would check is the NRA website under the "Education" tab and see if there is anything there. If not, Youtube producers I would trust include Hickok45 and Paul Harrell. Again, I don't know if either of those have "first steps" vids. After hitting Post on this, I'll go search around and report back before the ONT.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 08:13 PM (Fs0KI)
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UAE Confirms They Shot Down 541 Drones, 165 Ballistic Missiles and 2 Cruise Missile Fired by Iran – 21 Drones Hit Civilian Targets
Iran has been sending drones and cruise/ballistic missiles into the entire region; hitting Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan and Israel.
UAE just happens to be the closest...
That's a lot of countries that are unlikely to be open to the current Iranian government being allowed to remain in power in any form.
Iran has been sending drones and cruise/ballistic missiles into the entire region; hitting Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan and Israel.
UAE just happens to be the closest...
That's a lot of countries that are unlikely to be open to the current Iranian government being allowed to remain in power in any form.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:13 PM (/lPRQ)
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Something Trump can require as a prerequisite for 'discussions'.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:07 PM (/lPRQ)
It's a bit late for the Ayatollahs to start a recruiting drive in Lebanon or Iraq right now. The risk of eating a JDAM from the USAF or IAF has got to be a real downer on the motivation of any wannabe headbangers.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:07 PM (/lPRQ)
It's a bit late for the Ayatollahs to start a recruiting drive in Lebanon or Iraq right now. The risk of eating a JDAM from the USAF or IAF has got to be a real downer on the motivation of any wannabe headbangers.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:13 PM (BCwQW)
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Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: Ed L
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I am seeing those on X and both the US and Israel have formally stated that the apparatus of oppression are being specifically targeted along with missiles and nuke sites. They are now using relatively dumb JDAM ordnance instead of standoffs which tells me that the air defenses and jamming of GPS is dead in Iran. They are apparently dropping Starlink for the resistance to use for communication so the Resistance may actually have a better picture than the IRGC command on what is happening.
Fog of war but this,
🚨 Basiji suppressive agents appear visibly distressed after returning to their headquarters and finding it destroyed by U.S. and Israeli strikes.
Repressive regime bases appear to be a major target in today’s joint military campaign.
Posted by: Ed L
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I am seeing those on X and both the US and Israel have formally stated that the apparatus of oppression are being specifically targeted along with missiles and nuke sites. They are now using relatively dumb JDAM ordnance instead of standoffs which tells me that the air defenses and jamming of GPS is dead in Iran. They are apparently dropping Starlink for the resistance to use for communication so the Resistance may actually have a better picture than the IRGC command on what is happening.
Fog of war but this,
🚨 Basiji suppressive agents appear visibly distressed after returning to their headquarters and finding it destroyed by U.S. and Israeli strikes.
Repressive regime bases appear to be a major target in today’s joint military campaign.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Scoobs, yep, braving the snow. Shot a new .45 ACP load. Yesterday, did orientation for new members.
We’re doing a USCCA presentation on concealed carry and a Stop The Bleed course with our local FD.
We’re doing a USCCA presentation on concealed carry and a Stop The Bleed course with our local FD.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 08:15 PM (Edxq2)
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EdL.
Fun video here on X
Khaje Nasir University, Tehran.
Basiji thugs showed up waving a Palestine flag to hijack the protest.
Students answered the only way that fits:
“Shove the Palestine flag up your asshole.”
Fun video here on X
Khaje Nasir University, Tehran.
Basiji thugs showed up waving a Palestine flag to hijack the protest.
Students answered the only way that fits:
“Shove the Palestine flag up your asshole.”
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (E4rtv)
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whig,
I think everyrhing changes because I am a white haired old woman. Hopefully, I get the benefit of the doubt. But I can’t rely on that.
But I think about it. All the time.
I also would benefit from castle doctrine laws here. Anyone forcefully entering my domicile is fair game.
I think everyrhing changes because I am a white haired old woman. Hopefully, I get the benefit of the doubt. But I can’t rely on that.
But I think about it. All the time.
I also would benefit from castle doctrine laws here. Anyone forcefully entering my domicile is fair game.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (A5RD0)
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Thanks all for the recommendations on videos.
It might save me an hour of trying to show and tell to a niece who rolls her eyes at "hello!"
Thanks all for the recommendations on videos.
It might save me an hour of trying to show and tell to a niece who rolls her eyes at "hello!"
Posted by: Auspex at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (Y8DZL)
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This week's gun stuff was limited to picking up a couple of silencers. I started the paperwork for one in early January, and the other in early February. Both got final ATF approval on the same day last week.
Oh, and I ordered some new-production M1 Garand clips from Sarco, the long established military surplus outfit. I'm hoping they will be of acceptable quality. First test: Tap them and see if they go "thunk" or if they go "ping!" like the originals do.
Oh, and I ordered some new-production M1 Garand clips from Sarco, the long established military surplus outfit. I'm hoping they will be of acceptable quality. First test: Tap them and see if they go "thunk" or if they go "ping!" like the originals do.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (7bBwZ)
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All depends on circumstances of course, but it's possible to reduce the sunk cost of your reloading set-up (at least a basic one) via patience and buying used.
I kept track of the cost of my initial set-up (Lee 4-hole turret, dies for 3 calibers, scale and basic tools), almost all of it used (though much of it like-new). It was "paid off" in about 6 months of reloading (this is 14 years ago).
Still using primers mostly acquired from guys getting out of the hobby, USN guys changing duty station, etc., most of it at half of then-market prices (= 1/3 of today's).
Part of this is a shameful confirmation that I don't shoot enough. But reloading can easily save money, and not *just* on the very $$$ calibers.
I kept track of the cost of my initial set-up (Lee 4-hole turret, dies for 3 calibers, scale and basic tools), almost all of it used (though much of it like-new). It was "paid off" in about 6 months of reloading (this is 14 years ago).
Still using primers mostly acquired from guys getting out of the hobby, USN guys changing duty station, etc., most of it at half of then-market prices (= 1/3 of today's).
Part of this is a shameful confirmation that I don't shoot enough. But reloading can easily save money, and not *just* on the very $$$ calibers.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:17 PM (U/Byj)
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Just be polite but firm.
Posted by: That's what she said at March 01, 2026 08:17 PM (KAi1n)
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Thanks for the gub, Weasel. Been a while since I've stopped by. Howdy, fellow gubsters.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 01, 2026 08:18 PM (ceJ0R)
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Spudboy, I thought the Garand en bloc clips today were made mostly by AEC, a company that uses original tooling to make them. All of my non-WWII clips are from them. All work fine. Have yet to come across an en bloc that didn't work normally.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:18 PM (U/Byj)
Posted by: mindful webworker - what me ponder? at March 01, 2026 08:18 PM (oqVsV)
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Fog of war but this,
🚨 Basiji suppressive agents appear visibly distressed after returning to their headquarters and finding it destroyed by U.S. and Israeli strikes.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Well, then maybe they shouldn't leave HQ....
🚨 Basiji suppressive agents appear visibly distressed after returning to their headquarters and finding it destroyed by U.S. and Israeli strikes.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Well, then maybe they shouldn't leave HQ....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 01, 2026 08:19 PM (ESVrU)
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Notorious BFD. HELLO !!!
Posted by: Ben Had at March 01, 2026 08:19 PM (+nEug)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 08:20 PM (KX0bc)
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Good lawyer advice.
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 08:21 PM (LHPAg)
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Our niece is coming for a visit and if we get to the range she and her husband enjoy shooting traditional BP guns. Also, they love my 45-70 rolling block rifle. (They are both retired Army and normally shoot modern stuff.) I was going to just pick up some commercial 45-70 ammo for convenience. Holy inflation, Batman!! Years ago you could get them for maybe 50 cents a round. Now it's more like 2.50 to 3 bucks a round. Since I already have the components I can load my own for free, just the cost of my time. At these prices I'll make the time.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 08:21 PM (yTvNw)
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Let's not forget the attack on the UK's Akrotiri airbase in Cyprus. !!!!
Reminds me of the hilariously clueless worry/concern/vapid commentary that abounded back in June - fear of a "wider war" (OMG!!!). This was during the "widest" war that had happened in the region since WWII, much geographically "wider" than any of the Arab-Israeli wars since '48.
Reminds me of the hilariously clueless worry/concern/vapid commentary that abounded back in June - fear of a "wider war" (OMG!!!). This was during the "widest" war that had happened in the region since WWII, much geographically "wider" than any of the Arab-Israeli wars since '48.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:22 PM (U/Byj)
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Grateful. I am the Master of Excuses. Sometimes they’re even true.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 08:23 PM (GOpmI)
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They are apparently dropping Starlink for the resistance to use for communication so the Resistance may actually have a better picture than the IRGC command on what is happening.
Posted by: whig
Would have expected a bunch of Special Forces to already be in place to put together and equip some indigenous forces for the resistence. And Starlinks a plenty.
Posted by: whig
Would have expected a bunch of Special Forces to already be in place to put together and equip some indigenous forces for the resistence. And Starlinks a plenty.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:24 PM (/lPRQ)
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Repressive regime bases appear to be a major target in today’s joint military campaign.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
Which means that both Israel and the US mean to end the Ayatollahs' reign for good. Considering that the head of the Iranian counter-intelligence operation was actually an Israeli agent (along w/ most of the HQ counter-intelligence operation), your assessment of Iranian situational awareness might be right.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
Which means that both Israel and the US mean to end the Ayatollahs' reign for good. Considering that the head of the Iranian counter-intelligence operation was actually an Israeli agent (along w/ most of the HQ counter-intelligence operation), your assessment of Iranian situational awareness might be right.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:24 PM (BCwQW)
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There were some massively productive hits on IRGC bldgs in Tehran region back in June (some of the last sorties). Productive as in massive casualties. Darwinian, really. Who TF is going to be hanging out in their regular HQ when the IAF is roaming at will over your city and you are their enemy? There were public recruiting campaigns to replace the kilt, so it was pretty bad.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:25 PM (U/Byj)
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Spudboy, I thought the Garand en bloc clips today were made mostly by AEC, a company that uses original tooling to make them. All of my non-WWII clips are from them. All work fine. Have yet to come across an en bloc that didn't work normally.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:18 PM (U/Byj)
Unfortunately, the Sarco website doesn't say who made their current supply. I am expecting to get a sack of Chinesium tofu-dreg crap, and hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. I should know for sure next week.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:18 PM (U/Byj)
Unfortunately, the Sarco website doesn't say who made their current supply. I am expecting to get a sack of Chinesium tofu-dreg crap, and hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. I should know for sure next week.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at March 01, 2026 08:25 PM (7bBwZ)
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Spudboy well I hope and expect they'll work out, but the "AEC" will be clearly stamped on the clip, if that's who made them. The company was based, of all places, up in Anaheim, last I knew. I did pick up some WWII surplus clips when I first got the M1s. I tend to use the AECs. CMP ships M1s with an AEC clip, or at least they did when I bought mine.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:28 PM (U/Byj)
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Would have expected a bunch of Special Forces to already be in place to put together and equip some indigenous forces for the resistence. And Starlinks a plenty.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:24 PM (/lPRQ)
Sadly, no Northern Alliance in Iran.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:24 PM (/lPRQ)
Sadly, no Northern Alliance in Iran.
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 08:28 PM (LHPAg)
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Another reason load your own ammo besides saving money. Sometimes ammo just isn't available. At the moment it's tough to find 32 long and 32 Magnum ammo for revolvers. They aren't in high demand (although they should be) so the ammo companies only make runs of them now and then. This can apply to any calibers that aren't hugely popular like 41 magnum or 44 special. If you need 223 or 9mm the store shelves are full.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 08:28 PM (yTvNw)
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But the spicy meatballs were very good.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM
Best meatballs Evah...from Omaha Steaks.
And no. I did not get paid to say that.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 07:54 PM
Best meatballs Evah...from Omaha Steaks.
And no. I did not get paid to say that.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 01, 2026 08:29 PM (2WIwB)
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We did the math on membership. Basically if you go twice a month you are coming out ahead.
With the DMV MGC that has worked out pretty well but in the past few months between holidays and life happening we aren't in the break even zone.
With the DMV MGC that has worked out pretty well but in the past few months between holidays and life happening we aren't in the break even zone.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 08:29 PM (NlEaG)
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A first pass search turned up this vid which looks like a decent intro. It's kind of long and it's not terribly exciting, just a guy standing and talking. I took a scan and didn't see anything I would object to telling a total newb. He does get a little sidetracked on some details but hey, that's what geeks do.
https://youtu.be/VJTluVcFXoI
https://youtu.be/VJTluVcFXoI
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 08:29 PM (Fs0KI)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 01, 2026 08:30 PM (ceJ0R)
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143 whig,
I think everyrhing changes because I am a white haired old woman. Hopefully, I get the benefit of the doubt. But I can’t rely on that.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I always taught my students to be nice but firm in stating their rights but that they had to protect their own constitutional rights because it is not what cops consider their job. Their job as they see it is to apprehend criminals and where a lot of friction happens is when that job interacts with citizens and their rights who aren't criminals.
I would never consent to a search because you can always challenge a search that you did not consent to but never one that you allowed to happen. You do have to id yourself and cars are a matter where you have to sign the citation that you received, have to present license, registration, insurance when asked, and communicate minimally with the cop. You do not have to consent to your vehicle being searched, doing a field sobriety test (those are notoriously unreliable--look up Tennessee's epidemic of those), or admit anything as to why they should lock u up. You may or may not take a ride, that is dependent on probable cause.
I think everyrhing changes because I am a white haired old woman. Hopefully, I get the benefit of the doubt. But I can’t rely on that.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I always taught my students to be nice but firm in stating their rights but that they had to protect their own constitutional rights because it is not what cops consider their job. Their job as they see it is to apprehend criminals and where a lot of friction happens is when that job interacts with citizens and their rights who aren't criminals.
I would never consent to a search because you can always challenge a search that you did not consent to but never one that you allowed to happen. You do have to id yourself and cars are a matter where you have to sign the citation that you received, have to present license, registration, insurance when asked, and communicate minimally with the cop. You do not have to consent to your vehicle being searched, doing a field sobriety test (those are notoriously unreliable--look up Tennessee's epidemic of those), or admit anything as to why they should lock u up. You may or may not take a ride, that is dependent on probable cause.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:30 PM (E4rtv)
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Go figure that the one bar in Texas that wouldn't shoot back at a terrorist was in Austin. :eyeroll:
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:09 PM (Wt5PA)
Pretty sure it's illegal to carry in a bar.
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:09 PM (Wt5PA)
Pretty sure it's illegal to carry in a bar.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:30 PM (ExV1e)
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Yeah, people like Asmongold are useful to reach younger voters but he is very susceptible to " OMG Epstein ran the world!" " OMG it's WWW3!". Kind of a double edged sword having people like him.
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:31 PM (YwEeS)
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So my neighbor just picked up a new varmit piece shooting.22mag. I looked at the box of CCI cartridges.
Damn. 1875 fps. Even at 40 grains, that is some serious kinetic punch.
Damn. 1875 fps. Even at 40 grains, that is some serious kinetic punch.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 01, 2026 08:32 PM (2WIwB)
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Hilariously the left now finds themselves on the side of....Putin
https://instapundit.com/779683/
https://instapundit.com/779683/
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:32 PM (YwEeS)
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 08:32 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 01, 2026 08:33 PM (ceJ0R)
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.22 Mag? That is varmint vaporizer.
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:33 PM (YwEeS)
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I joined the local range. It's outdoors with three areas; rifles, pistols and axe/knife. $30 a year for county residents, $50 for outsiders. I am considering getting a new gun, to have something fun to shoot
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 01, 2026 08:33 PM (gQ15S)
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155 Our niece is coming for a visit and if we get to the range she and her husband enjoy shooting traditional BP guns. Also, they love my 45-70 rolling block rifle. (They are both retired Army and normally shoot modern stuff.) I was going to just pick up some commercial 45-70 ammo for convenience. Holy inflation, Batman!! Years ago you could get them for maybe 50 cents a round. Now it's more like 2.50 to 3 bucks a round. Since I already have the components I can load my own for free, just the cost of my time. At these prices I'll make the time.
Posted by: JTB
You reload BP into brass cartridges or use a BP substitute? I have an old Springfield Trapdoor that I have been slowly restoring and bought some Trail Boss for a low pressure load if I ever decided to shoot it.
Posted by: JTB
You reload BP into brass cartridges or use a BP substitute? I have an old Springfield Trapdoor that I have been slowly restoring and bought some Trail Boss for a low pressure load if I ever decided to shoot it.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:33 PM (E4rtv)
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177 I joined the local range. It's outdoors with three areas; rifles, pistols and axe/knife. $30 a year for county residents, $50 for outsiders. I am considering getting a new gun, to have something fun to shoot
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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Outdoor ranges are a no go in my suburban area. I miss them from Arkansas.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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Outdoor ranges are a no go in my suburban area. I miss them from Arkansas.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:34 PM (E4rtv)
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That video about not talking to cops bugs me. Because, while I have had adversarial interactions with cops, I have only had one that tried the malarkey. Generally speaking, when an office has pulled me over I've known it was legitimate, and had my license and registration handy and not given the officer any reason to think I need to be searched or questioned. This guy is talking to the folks who might be shifty.
I'm NOT saying "If you haven't done anything wrong, you should talk and consent." Absolutely not. But you should ponder why a police officer might roll up on you thinking ill of you, other than the fact you passed on the left or were going a few mph over the speed limit.
The one time I had the cop pulling that baloney was driving a rental through Georgia. And, like a standard quota cop, he was sitting just past the state line looking for people to pull over. Yeah, those guys you can go "I take the 5th with" - but it's going to add some time to your journey.
I'm NOT saying "If you haven't done anything wrong, you should talk and consent." Absolutely not. But you should ponder why a police officer might roll up on you thinking ill of you, other than the fact you passed on the left or were going a few mph over the speed limit.
The one time I had the cop pulling that baloney was driving a rental through Georgia. And, like a standard quota cop, he was sitting just past the state line looking for people to pull over. Yeah, those guys you can go "I take the 5th with" - but it's going to add some time to your journey.
Posted by: GWB at March 01, 2026 08:34 PM (nCVYJ)
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Kind of a double edged sword having people like him.
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:31 PM (YwEeS)
He's no where near as bad as Nux with the click bait. It seems like Nixanor is popping either a nut or a blood vessel almost every thumbnail.
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:31 PM (YwEeS)
He's no where near as bad as Nux with the click bait. It seems like Nixanor is popping either a nut or a blood vessel almost every thumbnail.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 08:34 PM (zZu0s)
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Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: Ed L
Some Iranian military channel had a video where a fella claimed that they'd launched four missiles at the Lincoln and sunk her. CENTCOM put out a message that the Lincoln had not been hit by anything.
Some of the Iranian (good guys) commentators think that the regime is in its death throes and flailing about.
Posted by: Ed L
Some Iranian military channel had a video where a fella claimed that they'd launched four missiles at the Lincoln and sunk her. CENTCOM put out a message that the Lincoln had not been hit by anything.
Some of the Iranian (good guys) commentators think that the regime is in its death throes and flailing about.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:34 PM (ExV1e)
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174 So Basiji are antifa?
Ok. Noted.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Very good comparison actually and like antifa, they thrive most in a permissive police atmosphere where they are allowed to be thugs.
Ok. Noted.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Very good comparison actually and like antifa, they thrive most in a permissive police atmosphere where they are allowed to be thugs.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:35 PM (E4rtv)
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Fun video here on X
Khaje Nasir University, Tehran.
Basiji thugs showed up waving a Palestine flag to hijack the protest.
Students answered the only way that fits:
“Shove the Palestine flag up your asshole.”
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (E4rtv)
Cue the Nelson Muntz laugh! An indicator that the sands are beginning to shift.
Khaje Nasir University, Tehran.
Basiji thugs showed up waving a Palestine flag to hijack the protest.
Students answered the only way that fits:
“Shove the Palestine flag up your asshole.”
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (E4rtv)
Cue the Nelson Muntz laugh! An indicator that the sands are beginning to shift.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:35 PM (BCwQW)
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The Iranians have sunk a super carrier 900 times.....in simulations
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (YwEeS)
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Unfortunately, the Sarco website doesn't say who made their current supply. I am expecting to get a sack of Chinesium tofu-dreg crap, and hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised.
For anyone getting their first (or fourth or whatever) M1 and needs a starter set of clips, I have a small stash and will send you a dozen or so at no cost. Just hit me at the email in the nic.
For anyone getting their first (or fourth or whatever) M1 and needs a starter set of clips, I have a small stash and will send you a dozen or so at no cost. Just hit me at the email in the nic.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (Fs0KI)
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (NlEaG)
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Pretty sure it's illegal to carry in a bar.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:30 PM (ExV1e)
I believe it's illegal to *consume alcohol* in a public place while carrying.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:30 PM (ExV1e)
I believe it's illegal to *consume alcohol* in a public place while carrying.
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:37 PM (Wt5PA)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 08:38 PM (kKRwe)
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I generally tell newer shooters, depending, that they should keep their brass, even if they don't intent to reload. Depending on your location, once-fired brass is easy to sell to reloaders. And it's just found money, sitting there on the ground. I did that for a few years before I decided to reload and started keeping everything. By the time I started to roll my own, I had almost all the brass I needed.
For 38sp I wanted some uniformity in the form of a common headstamp, so I just bought a case of PMC 38, and shot it. Still makes up most of my 38 brass inventory.
For 38sp I wanted some uniformity in the form of a common headstamp, so I just bought a case of PMC 38, and shot it. Still makes up most of my 38 brass inventory.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:39 PM (U/Byj)
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The Iranians have sunk a super carrier 900 times.....in simulations
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (YwEeS)
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...where their simulation is the board game "Battleship."
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (YwEeS)
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...where their simulation is the board game "Battleship."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 01, 2026 08:40 PM (ESVrU)
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There was a free outdoor range near Carson WA, when I lived there. It was set up for the sheriffs but anyone could use it. This range is nicer. Surrounded by fields so it gets closed when work goes on there.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 01, 2026 08:40 PM (gQ15S)
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The one time I had the cop pulling that baloney was driving a rental through Georgia. And, like a standard quota cop, he was sitting just past the state line looking for people to pull over. Yeah, those guys you can go "I take the 5th with" - but it's going to add some time to your journey.
Posted by: GWB
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You simply do not have to talk much, cops are trained to get people to talk and keep talking. In an average car stop, they are entitled to license, registration, etc. not where you are going, what you are doing, or you to guess why they pulled you over.
Formal invocation of the 5th is when they take you into custody primarily because it sets up a bright line but most people simply cannot shut up, especially criminals. Cops also lie shamelessly so ignore them.
And it is a mistake to assume they have to tell you what they are arresting you for. They don't until booking so keep shut about it. They either have probable cause or not, and if they don't, then the arrest is likely to tossed by the prosecutor anyway. Don't try your case on the side of the road. Cooperate minimally and get back on the road without being an asshole. Those get special treatment so zip it.
Posted by: GWB
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You simply do not have to talk much, cops are trained to get people to talk and keep talking. In an average car stop, they are entitled to license, registration, etc. not where you are going, what you are doing, or you to guess why they pulled you over.
Formal invocation of the 5th is when they take you into custody primarily because it sets up a bright line but most people simply cannot shut up, especially criminals. Cops also lie shamelessly so ignore them.
And it is a mistake to assume they have to tell you what they are arresting you for. They don't until booking so keep shut about it. They either have probable cause or not, and if they don't, then the arrest is likely to tossed by the prosecutor anyway. Don't try your case on the side of the road. Cooperate minimally and get back on the road without being an asshole. Those get special treatment so zip it.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:40 PM (E4rtv)
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I started saving brass 10 years before I started reloading. I knew I’d eventually do it, but just not when.
When I did start, I did not want for brass.
When I did start, I did not want for brass.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 08:41 PM (GOpmI)
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I have a long time friend and college roommate who was a longtime ATF agent. He says that the talking to cops thing causes people to get twisted.
Stayed at his house on the way to TxMoMe and we emptied the car into his house. We had a lot of stuff. We made a joke about staying at the speed limit because we dreaded the question "do you have any guns in the car". Because yes, yes we did.
He said we were looking at it wrong, that the cops were not trying to jam us up and preferred dealing with people who were upfront about it.
He's a good guy - definitely not just peddling Fed stuff.
Stayed at his house on the way to TxMoMe and we emptied the car into his house. We had a lot of stuff. We made a joke about staying at the speed limit because we dreaded the question "do you have any guns in the car". Because yes, yes we did.
He said we were looking at it wrong, that the cops were not trying to jam us up and preferred dealing with people who were upfront about it.
He's a good guy - definitely not just peddling Fed stuff.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 08:42 PM (NlEaG)
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B6
Well done Abdul you sank the Great Satan's aircraft carrier!
Well done Abdul you sank the Great Satan's aircraft carrier!
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:42 PM (YwEeS)
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I also would benefit from castle doctrine laws here. Anyone forcefully entering my domicile is fair game.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (A5RD
I will be certain to ring the doo. lol
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 01, 2026 08:16 PM (A5RD
I will be certain to ring the doo. lol
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 08:42 PM (I40wl)
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I believe it's illegal to *consume alcohol* in a public place while carrying.
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:37 PM (Wt5PA)
You may be right but I bet the bar has the "you can't carry here" sign up. Insurance rates if nothing else.
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:37 PM (Wt5PA)
You may be right but I bet the bar has the "you can't carry here" sign up. Insurance rates if nothing else.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (ExV1e)
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*doorbell*
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (I40wl)
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Even the farcical PR of the (hopefully not long for this world) mullahcracy will never match Japanese official numbers for American naval losses after the Battle of Formosa (little known but yuuuge aerial battle). Even worse, the IJN actually kinda sorta believed some % of the outlandish claims that were published.
Many savvy Japanese news consumers at the time couldn't but note that the "victories" kept occurring closer and closer to the home islands. Uh ....
Many savvy Japanese news consumers at the time couldn't but note that the "victories" kept occurring closer and closer to the home islands. Uh ....
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (U/Byj)
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Looks like Temporary Acting Supreme Leader of Iran has gone to his 92 virgin goats award in the sky.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (E4rtv)
202
The Iranians have sunk a super carrier 900 times.....in simulations
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (YwEeS)
The carrier size targets the Iranian Navy uses don't move. Real USN carriers can do 30+ knots. And if you believe the Iranians have developed their own guided MIRVs for their anti-ship ballistic missiles, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2026 08:36 PM (YwEeS)
The carrier size targets the Iranian Navy uses don't move. Real USN carriers can do 30+ knots. And if you believe the Iranians have developed their own guided MIRVs for their anti-ship ballistic missiles, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (BCwQW)
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Let's see, today I stopped for donuts, went to church, had a nice Italian meal for lunch, took a nap, went back to church, came home and ate a sandwich. All this time I was armed, except for the nap, when my firearm was on the nightstand where it sleeps when I go to bed. A typical day in my little corner of ETEX.
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (LHPAg)
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Many savvy Japanese news consumers at the time couldn't but note that the "victories" kept occurring closer and closer to the home islands. Uh ....
Posted by: rhomboid
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Hogan's Heroes made fun of the Germans in a couple of their episodes exactly for that punchline.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Hogan's Heroes made fun of the Germans in a couple of their episodes exactly for that punchline.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:44 PM (E4rtv)
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He's a good guy - definitely not just peddling Fed stuff.
Posted by: blaster
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And yet, the ATF has the worst reputation of all the Fed law enforcement community. Some of the compliance officers that spend time with FFLs are fine, their enforcement division has issues and multiple lawsuits against them over the years.
Posted by: blaster
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And yet, the ATF has the worst reputation of all the Fed law enforcement community. Some of the compliance officers that spend time with FFLs are fine, their enforcement division has issues and multiple lawsuits against them over the years.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
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Looks like Temporary Acting Supreme Leader of Iran has gone to his 92 virgin goats award in the sky.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (E4rtv)
Mossad has one (or more) hell of a source(s) high up in the food chain in Tehran, that's for sure.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:43 PM (E4rtv)
Mossad has one (or more) hell of a source(s) high up in the food chain in Tehran, that's for sure.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (BCwQW)
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You'd figure the Iranians would have bought some land to sea anticipated missiles. Or be trying drones.
But never heard about a minimal amount of drones on either side.
But never heard about a minimal amount of drones on either side.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (zZu0s)
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I believe it's illegal to *consume alcohol* in a public place while carrying.
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:37 PM (Wt5PA)
In Texas perhaps. No such rule up here. No permits, either. A firearm is a tool, nothing more.
Posted by: pookysgirl lived in TX for a few years at March 01, 2026 08:37 PM (Wt5PA)
In Texas perhaps. No such rule up here. No permits, either. A firearm is a tool, nothing more.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 08:47 PM (I40wl)
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Eromero, sounds a lot like my day. Except at nap time, my EDC, phone and glasses are on the bed beside me.
The cats don’t mind. They’re just looking to soak up my body heat.
The cats don’t mind. They’re just looking to soak up my body heat.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 08:48 PM (GOpmI)
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178 ... "You reload BP into brass cartridges or use a BP substitute? I have an old Springfield Trapdoor that I have been slowly restoring and bought some Trail Boss for a low pressure load if I ever decided to shoot it."
Hi Whig,
Both my 45-70 rifles are modern and can handle regular ammo and smokeless powders but I prefer my black powder loads. At one time I had an original Trapdoor and only used BP in the cartridges. BP substitutes should be safe but I haven't used them in cartridges. The Trapdoor is not a very strong action so I wanted to keep pressures low. Sorry I can't help about the Trail Boss in your question. I know it's a low pressure powder but don't know how it compares to BP pressures.
Hi Whig,
Both my 45-70 rifles are modern and can handle regular ammo and smokeless powders but I prefer my black powder loads. At one time I had an original Trapdoor and only used BP in the cartridges. BP substitutes should be safe but I haven't used them in cartridges. The Trapdoor is not a very strong action so I wanted to keep pressures low. Sorry I can't help about the Trail Boss in your question. I know it's a low pressure powder but don't know how it compares to BP pressures.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 08:48 PM (yTvNw)
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Mossad has one (or more) hell of a source(s) high up in the food chain in Tehran, that's for sure.
Posted by: Ed L
I put up a post earlier that is hilarious. From X.
File under probably disinfo or rumor but humorous all the same--would make all the Iranian assholes paranoid as hell if they went to the doc or dentist recently.
"
Israel Now
@neveragainlive1
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13h
You’re not gonna believe this latest story. Over the past few years mossad undercover agents infiltrated as doctors and dentists in Iran. The Dentists gave priority to. Key military, and elite Iranian personnel. While doing a routine dental check up, they implanted tracking devices as fillings for cavities. On the other side, Gastro doctors implanted similar devices in their elite patients. Yesterday mossad knew exactly where each one of them were ( komayne’s wife and family members included )and sent missiles at them. Over 400 elite military in government personnel were eliminated in the first few moments ( maybe that’s one of the reasons why they knew where he was hiding )when Israel attacked."
Posted by: Ed L
I put up a post earlier that is hilarious. From X.
File under probably disinfo or rumor but humorous all the same--would make all the Iranian assholes paranoid as hell if they went to the doc or dentist recently.
"
Israel Now
@neveragainlive1
·
13h
You’re not gonna believe this latest story. Over the past few years mossad undercover agents infiltrated as doctors and dentists in Iran. The Dentists gave priority to. Key military, and elite Iranian personnel. While doing a routine dental check up, they implanted tracking devices as fillings for cavities. On the other side, Gastro doctors implanted similar devices in their elite patients. Yesterday mossad knew exactly where each one of them were ( komayne’s wife and family members included )and sent missiles at them. Over 400 elite military in government personnel were eliminated in the first few moments ( maybe that’s one of the reasons why they knew where he was hiding )when Israel attacked."
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:49 PM (E4rtv)
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For 38sp I wanted some uniformity in the form of a common headstamp, so I just bought a case of PMC 38, and shot it. Still makes up most of my 38 brass inventory.
Posted by: rhomboid
At the range a couple of guys saw me saving my brass, approached, and asked if I reload, "Why yes, of course". They said they had just shot a bunch of 38sp but didn't reload anymore. Got 100+.
Score!
Have enough brass etc. for more than a thousand rounds 38sp whenever I get around to it.
Posted by: rhomboid
At the range a couple of guys saw me saving my brass, approached, and asked if I reload, "Why yes, of course". They said they had just shot a bunch of 38sp but didn't reload anymore. Got 100+.
Score!
Have enough brass etc. for more than a thousand rounds 38sp whenever I get around to it.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 08:51 PM (/lPRQ)
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Thats both cool and insane.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 08:52 PM (zZu0s)
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Hi Whig,
Both my 45-70 rifles are modern and can handle regular ammo and smokeless powders but I prefer my black powder loads. At one time I had an original Trapdoor and only used BP in the cartridges. BP substitutes should be safe but I haven't used them in cartridges. The Trapdoor is not a very strong action so I wanted to keep pressures low. Sorry I can't help about the Trail Boss in your question. I know it's a low pressure powder but don't know how it compares to BP pressures.
Posted by: JTB
Trail Boss is designed for BP replacement so not asking for loads, but simply whether you use the real stuff or not in your cartridge reloading. I would have to use a different powder measure for BP so I have never kept any around the house. Too fussy for me.
Use Triple X or Pyrodex for the few muzzle loaders I have. Neither of those is suitable for loading in brass cartridges for a Trapdoor.
Both my 45-70 rifles are modern and can handle regular ammo and smokeless powders but I prefer my black powder loads. At one time I had an original Trapdoor and only used BP in the cartridges. BP substitutes should be safe but I haven't used them in cartridges. The Trapdoor is not a very strong action so I wanted to keep pressures low. Sorry I can't help about the Trail Boss in your question. I know it's a low pressure powder but don't know how it compares to BP pressures.
Posted by: JTB
Trail Boss is designed for BP replacement so not asking for loads, but simply whether you use the real stuff or not in your cartridge reloading. I would have to use a different powder measure for BP so I have never kept any around the house. Too fussy for me.
Use Triple X or Pyrodex for the few muzzle loaders I have. Neither of those is suitable for loading in brass cartridges for a Trapdoor.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:52 PM (E4rtv)
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182 Haven't seen any reports of that coming out of Iran so far (unfortunately).
Posted by: Ed L
Some Iranian military channel had a video where a fella claimed that they'd launched four missiles at the Lincoln and sunk her. CENTCOM put out a message that the Lincoln had not been hit by anything.
Some of the Iranian (good guys) commentators think that the regime is in its death throes and flailing about.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:34 PM (ExV1e)
There's a 'you won't believe what happened next' ewetoob out that has an expert reading off this very thing about the Lincoln, looks real, sounds real but it's bullshit like the majority of ewetoobs. Fake and ghey.
Posted by: Ed L
Some Iranian military channel had a video where a fella claimed that they'd launched four missiles at the Lincoln and sunk her. CENTCOM put out a message that the Lincoln had not been hit by anything.
Some of the Iranian (good guys) commentators think that the regime is in its death throes and flailing about.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 08:34 PM (ExV1e)
There's a 'you won't believe what happened next' ewetoob out that has an expert reading off this very thing about the Lincoln, looks real, sounds real but it's bullshit like the majority of ewetoobs. Fake and ghey.
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 08:53 PM (LHPAg)
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We had memberships at both the indoor pistol range and the outdoor range in Laramie. Both pretty reasonable, I think ~$110 for both J and me at the outdoor range. The indoor range was higher, but it was cheaper for J to buy a membership and for me to go for $10 each time than get a family membership.
After he died (4 years ago yesterday), the range master let me finish out J's membership at the indoor range. For awhile we/I went to the indoor range nearly every Friday night. There was usually no one else there. It isn't a high tech or posh range but they have the best range master ever. I loved that place. Great memories with J, my buddy D, and Moron 496 there.
My local range recently started offering memberships and it would be worth it if I could go 2x/month. I just don't get over there much right now.
After he died (4 years ago yesterday), the range master let me finish out J's membership at the indoor range. For awhile we/I went to the indoor range nearly every Friday night. There was usually no one else there. It isn't a high tech or posh range but they have the best range master ever. I loved that place. Great memories with J, my buddy D, and Moron 496 there.
My local range recently started offering memberships and it would be worth it if I could go 2x/month. I just don't get over there much right now.
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I don’t suppose the Iranian brass will be filing malpractice suits against the Mossad Docs, will they?
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 08:53 PM (I40wl)
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Haven't checked in ages, but Trail Boss is still available? For some reason I thought it had been discontinued, but maybe that just during the last panic.
I used to use it for fun/plinking/informal match ammo for my Model 66 (38spl). Not clean but makes nice power-puff rounds for general fun purposes. 125g RNFP lead bullets.
I used to use it for fun/plinking/informal match ammo for my Model 66 (38spl). Not clean but makes nice power-puff rounds for general fun purposes. 125g RNFP lead bullets.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:55 PM (U/Byj)
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BFD, good to see you.
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Have enough brass etc. for more than a thousand rounds 38sp whenever I get around to it.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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38 Special and 45 ACP are like falling off the log easy to reload. Both like a wide variety of powders, primer seating is usually not a problem as both are low pressure cartridges, both are straight brass, and both like lead bullets which means loads can be very economical.
Wadcutters in a 38 SPC with a mousefart powder load are great for introducing beginners or concentrating on trigger pull without worrying about recoil.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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38 Special and 45 ACP are like falling off the log easy to reload. Both like a wide variety of powders, primer seating is usually not a problem as both are low pressure cartridges, both are straight brass, and both like lead bullets which means loads can be very economical.
Wadcutters in a 38 SPC with a mousefart powder load are great for introducing beginners or concentrating on trigger pull without worrying about recoil.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:55 PM (E4rtv)
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In Texas perhaps. No such rule up here. No permits, either. A firearm is a tool, nothing more.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 08:47 PM (I40wl)
Pooky's old career field had some stations up there that they occasionally had to fend off bears from. Not sure what they fended the bears off with, but apparently it was effective.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 08:47 PM (I40wl)
Pooky's old career field had some stations up there that they occasionally had to fend off bears from. Not sure what they fended the bears off with, but apparently it was effective.
Posted by: pookysgirl didn't want her husband fighting a bear at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (Wt5PA)
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Range Report:
One of the new members I gave orientation to is a guy from Scotland. He is so gung ho on being able to own and shoot firearms, especially long range and suppressed. Spoke very disparagingly about the UK attitude toward same.
Lives in CT and will drive 3 hours to shoot at our Long Range. .
One of the new members I gave orientation to is a guy from Scotland. He is so gung ho on being able to own and shoot firearms, especially long range and suppressed. Spoke very disparagingly about the UK attitude toward same.
Lives in CT and will drive 3 hours to shoot at our Long Range. .
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (GOpmI)
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You'd figure the Iranians would have bought some land to sea anticipated missiles. Or be trying drones.
But never heard about a minimal amount of drones on either side.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (zZu0s)
Every sea battle goes through the phases listed below. This has been true for war at sea ever since the Battle of the Coral Sea.
Phase 1: Detect the enemy. The ocean is a vast place. You have to find the enemy before you can shoot at him.
Phase 2: Acquire the target(s): What did I detect? Is it the enemy, a merchant ship, or something else?
Phase 3: Track the enemy: IF I've found the enemy fleet, where is he going? Where should I anticipate him to be in the near-term future?
Phase 4: Destroy the enemy. This is where you start shooting stuff at the enemy to hit what you want to destroy.
My guess is the Iranians never got past Phase 1 or 2 because of US strikes on their sensors (radar) or US jamming on any sensors that survived.
But never heard about a minimal amount of drones on either side.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (zZu0s)
Every sea battle goes through the phases listed below. This has been true for war at sea ever since the Battle of the Coral Sea.
Phase 1: Detect the enemy. The ocean is a vast place. You have to find the enemy before you can shoot at him.
Phase 2: Acquire the target(s): What did I detect? Is it the enemy, a merchant ship, or something else?
Phase 3: Track the enemy: IF I've found the enemy fleet, where is he going? Where should I anticipate him to be in the near-term future?
Phase 4: Destroy the enemy. This is where you start shooting stuff at the enemy to hit what you want to destroy.
My guess is the Iranians never got past Phase 1 or 2 because of US strikes on their sensors (radar) or US jamming on any sensors that survived.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (BCwQW)
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I've mentioned this before but since black powder cartridges came up it's worth repeating. BP and the substitutes are corrosive for brass. As soon as I get back from the range I pop out the spent primers and let them soak in water for maybe an hour. I use an appropriate nylon brush to clean inside the case and the primer pocket and wipe down the outside. Rinse well and let the cases air dry completely. Sounds involved but only takes a few second to scrub each case.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 08:57 PM (yTvNw)
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218 Haven't checked in ages, but Trail Boss is still available? For some reason I thought it had been discontinued, but maybe that just during the last panic.
I used to use it for fun/plinking/informal match ammo for my Model 66 (38spl). Not clean but makes nice power-puff rounds for general fun purposes. 125g RNFP lead bullets.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I have several cans of it untouched. I understand Tin Star is another alternative but never bought any. Used WW231 or Universal smokeless or other flake powders for light wadcutter loads for the 38 SPC.
I used to use it for fun/plinking/informal match ammo for my Model 66 (38spl). Not clean but makes nice power-puff rounds for general fun purposes. 125g RNFP lead bullets.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I have several cans of it untouched. I understand Tin Star is another alternative but never bought any. Used WW231 or Universal smokeless or other flake powders for light wadcutter loads for the 38 SPC.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Nice to see you as well, SiD.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 01, 2026 08:58 PM (ceJ0R)
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And yet, the ATF has the worst reputation of all the Fed law enforcement community. Some of the compliance officers that spend time with FFLs are fine, their enforcement division has issues and multiple lawsuits against them over the years.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
Believe me he's aware.
I have some stories for his bona fides but probably identify him because they are...unique.
Anyway he's a shooter. Has some interesting toys.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 08:46 PM (E4rtv)
Believe me he's aware.
I have some stories for his bona fides but probably identify him because they are...unique.
Anyway he's a shooter. Has some interesting toys.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 08:59 PM (NlEaG)
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whig this is another virtue of reloading you mentioned twice now, the ability to customize loads including making "beginner" or easy loads that are also inexpensive.
I have a whole series of 38sp loads I have developed for the boss, who likes the Model 60 snub.
And I have "duplication" loads I've worked up for all my self-defense ammo in all calibers. Matches the recoil. Can shoot through a box of duplication loads for very little cost while maintaining familiarity with all my self-defense factory ammo.
I have a whole series of 38sp loads I have developed for the boss, who likes the Model 60 snub.
And I have "duplication" loads I've worked up for all my self-defense ammo in all calibers. Matches the recoil. Can shoot through a box of duplication loads for very little cost while maintaining familiarity with all my self-defense factory ammo.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 08:59 PM (U/Byj)
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222 Range Report:
One of the new members I gave orientation to is a guy from Scotland. He is so gung ho on being able to own and shoot firearms, especially long range and suppressed. Spoke very disparagingly about the UK attitude toward same.
Lives in CT and will drive 3 hours to shoot at our Long Range. .
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Nice. Poor folks in the UK have been screwed out of their rights on firearms to protect themselves and now the Muzzies are running wild with knives.
One of the new members I gave orientation to is a guy from Scotland. He is so gung ho on being able to own and shoot firearms, especially long range and suppressed. Spoke very disparagingly about the UK attitude toward same.
Lives in CT and will drive 3 hours to shoot at our Long Range. .
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! a
Nice. Poor folks in the UK have been screwed out of their rights on firearms to protect themselves and now the Muzzies are running wild with knives.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:00 PM (E4rtv)
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My guess is the Iranians never got past Phase 1 or 2 because of US strikes on their sensors (radar) or US jamming on any sensors that survived.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (BCwQW)
I have seen they shot one of their own tankers but it was a sanctions buster so they probably just didn't want it seized.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (BCwQW)
I have seen they shot one of their own tankers but it was a sanctions buster so they probably just didn't want it seized.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 09:01 PM (NlEaG)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:01 PM (hOUT3)
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I have seen they shot one of their own tankers but it was a sanctions buster so they probably just didn't want it seized.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 09:01 PM (NlEaG)
Loaded with oil?
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 09:01 PM (NlEaG)
Loaded with oil?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
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Pooky's old career field had some stations up there that they occasionally had to fend off bears from. Not sure what they fended the bears off with, but apparently it was effective.
Posted by: pookysgirl didn't want her husband fighting a bear at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (Wt5PA)
I was a project estimator when I retired from the Corps of Engineers. Anything on the coast north of the Arctic Circle I always included a sentry with a polar bear rifle. That is a real job with a real purpose. The oil companies have them as well.
Posted by: pookysgirl didn't want her husband fighting a bear at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (Wt5PA)
I was a project estimator when I retired from the Corps of Engineers. Anything on the coast north of the Arctic Circle I always included a sentry with a polar bear rifle. That is a real job with a real purpose. The oil companies have them as well.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 09:03 PM (I40wl)
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I've settled on HP38 as my powder for almost all handgun calibers (9mm, 38spl, 45ACP). Got some 700X during the last panic (only thing available, prudential buy), using that up for .380, and also 45 Colt for the lever rifle. Have tried many powders over the years, all worked pretty well, just easier to stick with one, as I have recipes for all my established loads using HP38. Use some Vihtavouri for my "duplication" loads.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 09:03 PM (U/Byj)
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Hello, SiD!
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 09:03 PM (BCwQW)
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:01 PM (hOUT3)
I have heard that a lot of restoration videos can be bullshit. That one makes me wonder. That coat of rust is really uniform. Same thickness. Exact same color. Over the entire weapon?
Seems strange. Like a spray on tan.
I have heard that a lot of restoration videos can be bullshit. That one makes me wonder. That coat of rust is really uniform. Same thickness. Exact same color. Over the entire weapon?
Seems strange. Like a spray on tan.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:04 PM (zZu0s)
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Stopped at a big
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at March 01, 2026 09:04 PM (7bBwZ)
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Whig, I feel particularly bad, being of Irish Scottish English Welsh descent. It’s hard to believe that they allowed themselves to be disarmed, but they never had the American fervor for 2 Amendment, nor the American gun culture.
We may have to drop Liberators over there sometime.
We may have to drop Liberators over there sometime.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 09:04 PM (GOpmI)
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My limited experience with conventional gun ranges hasn't been good.
I'll never go to another indoor range. The chemicals in the air stay in my respiratory tract all day, and I'm not wearing a mask to go shoot.
Several range masters have come across as alcoholics (even if not intoxicated, they have the look and manner of someone who's drunk too much for too long), and others treat every user like an idiot in need of constant correction.
I live within 20 miles of open BLM land. I take my targets out there and blast away safely.
I'll never go to another indoor range. The chemicals in the air stay in my respiratory tract all day, and I'm not wearing a mask to go shoot.
Several range masters have come across as alcoholics (even if not intoxicated, they have the look and manner of someone who's drunk too much for too long), and others treat every user like an idiot in need of constant correction.
I live within 20 miles of open BLM land. I take my targets out there and blast away safely.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 01, 2026 09:05 PM (d+PSx)
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Nice. Poor folks in the UK have been screwed out of their rights on firearms to protect themselves and now the Muzzies are running wild with knives.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:00 PM (E4rtv)
I suspect there may have been a few terrible canoe accidents in the UK, just like here.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:00 PM (E4rtv)
I suspect there may have been a few terrible canoe accidents in the UK, just like here.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 09:05 PM (I40wl)
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Anyway he's a shooter. Has some interesting toys.
Posted by: blaster
You want nightmare stuff, Tennessee Highway Patrol is coming under massive scrutiny as they have now racked up in the last couple of years over 600 cases where the driver was charged with DUI and they were totally sober upon blood test results being put in. Apparently Tenn Highway Patrol set up a quota system (denying it) for arrests and so cops are just arresting people, claiming they failed the field sobriety tests, and putting them in jail. Going on all across the state to the point that the TN legislature finally got off its ass and required reports on the fake but true arrests which is where the figures I cited came from.
Lesson is without breathanalyzers (which often are not calibrated correctly in the field) the field sobriety tests have about a 50/50 reliability rate. Blood test is the platinum std. so it is best to take the ride than do the field sobriety tests.
You also see this behavior when governments suddenly need money--they up the fines and arrests simply to make revenue, not for safety reasons.
Posted by: blaster
You want nightmare stuff, Tennessee Highway Patrol is coming under massive scrutiny as they have now racked up in the last couple of years over 600 cases where the driver was charged with DUI and they were totally sober upon blood test results being put in. Apparently Tenn Highway Patrol set up a quota system (denying it) for arrests and so cops are just arresting people, claiming they failed the field sobriety tests, and putting them in jail. Going on all across the state to the point that the TN legislature finally got off its ass and required reports on the fake but true arrests which is where the figures I cited came from.
Lesson is without breathanalyzers (which often are not calibrated correctly in the field) the field sobriety tests have about a 50/50 reliability rate. Blood test is the platinum std. so it is best to take the ride than do the field sobriety tests.
You also see this behavior when governments suddenly need money--they up the fines and arrests simply to make revenue, not for safety reasons.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:05 PM (E4rtv)
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Hey Ed! *Forrest Gump wave*
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 01, 2026 09:05 PM (fVXtb)
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239 Whig, I feel particularly bad, being of Irish Scottish English Welsh descent. It’s hard to believe that they allowed themselves to be disarmed, but they never had the American fervor for 2 Amendment, nor the American gun culture.
We may have to drop Liberators over there sometime.
Posted by: RI Red
Ditto. One of my ancestors was one of the first to put their name on as presbyter creating the Church of Scotland. Sad comedown for them.
We may have to drop Liberators over there sometime.
Posted by: RI Red
Ditto. One of my ancestors was one of the first to put their name on as presbyter creating the Church of Scotland. Sad comedown for them.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:06 PM (E4rtv)
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Stopped at a big sporting goods store on Friday. For some reason they had been cleaned out of 45 ACP ammo, but still had plenty of everything else on the shelves. Maybe Roland the Thompson Gunner was in town.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at March 01, 2026 09:07 PM (7bBwZ)
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Loaded with oil?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
From Suchominous' YT channel, it looks empty. The red part of the hull is really high above the water. That says to me that the ship is completely empty of cargo (i.e. oil). It was probably going to Kharg Island to pick up oil there. The Iranians definitely failed Phase 2 here.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
From Suchominous' YT channel, it looks empty. The red part of the hull is really high above the water. That says to me that the ship is completely empty of cargo (i.e. oil). It was probably going to Kharg Island to pick up oil there. The Iranians definitely failed Phase 2 here.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 09:07 PM (BCwQW)
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Dang it, Hrothgar, my grail gun (PPsh-41). Will have to watch it.
Years ago at the range a Russian immigrant guy (30ish, said he'd been in the Russian army before emigrating) had a DP-27 light machine gun he'd welded bad together. The iconic Red Army LMG with the pan magazine on top. He was testing loads. Semi-auto, of course. It worked well, as did the magazine.
Probably my favorite historic gun I've seen at the range.
Years ago at the range a Russian immigrant guy (30ish, said he'd been in the Russian army before emigrating) had a DP-27 light machine gun he'd welded bad together. The iconic Red Army LMG with the pan magazine on top. He was testing loads. Semi-auto, of course. It worked well, as did the magazine.
Probably my favorite historic gun I've seen at the range.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 01, 2026 09:07 PM (U/Byj)
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from my late late input to first world problems thread:: I will bet $1000 that France, UK, and German business leaders told their politicians: 'Get engaged now, or we will be totally shut out of the Iranian rebuilding'.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at March 01, 2026 09:08 PM (53lW4)
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Ditto. One of my ancestors was one of the first to put their name on as presbyter creating the Church of Scotland. Sad comedown for them.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:06 PM (E4rtv)
I am descended from Malcolm Canmore and St. Margaret of Scotland, and on the other side my Grandmother was a MacFee. I expect one of those folks went anywhere unarmed. lol.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:06 PM (E4rtv)
I am descended from Malcolm Canmore and St. Margaret of Scotland, and on the other side my Grandmother was a MacFee. I expect one of those folks went anywhere unarmed. lol.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 09:10 PM (I40wl)
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No wonder they're anti-dentites.
Posted by: Seinfeld Reference at March 01, 2026 09:10 PM (Q+gd/)
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I live within 20 miles of open BLM land. I take my targets out there and blast away safely.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse
Watch out for that, several cases where people shooting on public land got ambushed and killed for their guns. Michael Platt and William Matix who killed a bunch of FBI agents and got their arms that way by ambushing some poor sod at a remote gun range.
Now it is gun jugging. From Houston Media.
"The intended victim had just left a local range when he was followed by three men in a vehicle. Upon arriving at his destination, the suspects ambushed him, successfully grabbing a bag containing several firearms. However, the suspects made a critical tactical error: the intended victim was still armed with other firearms. The intended victim drew his firearm and engaged the attackers, striking one suspect in the chin. The wounded suspect is expected to survive, while the two remaining accomplices fled the scene in a getaway vehicle."
Head on a swivel folks and having someone with you as an additional pair of eyes is not a bad idea.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse
Watch out for that, several cases where people shooting on public land got ambushed and killed for their guns. Michael Platt and William Matix who killed a bunch of FBI agents and got their arms that way by ambushing some poor sod at a remote gun range.
Now it is gun jugging. From Houston Media.
"The intended victim had just left a local range when he was followed by three men in a vehicle. Upon arriving at his destination, the suspects ambushed him, successfully grabbing a bag containing several firearms. However, the suspects made a critical tactical error: the intended victim was still armed with other firearms. The intended victim drew his firearm and engaged the attackers, striking one suspect in the chin. The wounded suspect is expected to survive, while the two remaining accomplices fled the scene in a getaway vehicle."
Head on a swivel folks and having someone with you as an additional pair of eyes is not a bad idea.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:10 PM (E4rtv)
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Hrothgar, how nice that you dropped by. Hope all is well with you....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at March 01, 2026 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Seems strange. Like a spray on tan.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:04 PM (zZu0s)
You may be spot on, I admit I thought the rust was a bit too perfect, but still an interesting thing to watch!
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:04 PM (zZu0s)
You may be spot on, I admit I thought the rust was a bit too perfect, but still an interesting thing to watch!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:11 PM (hOUT3)
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'Get engaged now, or we will be totally shut out of the Iranian rebuilding'.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at March 01, 2026 09:08 PM (53lW4)
They bought oil from Iran under the table as well, no?
Trump was looking to put thir dicks in a vise.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at March 01, 2026 09:08 PM (53lW4)
They bought oil from Iran under the table as well, no?
Trump was looking to put thir dicks in a vise.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:12 PM (zZu0s)
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When do we see the permit drawings for Trump Tower Persia?
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 01, 2026 09:13 PM (I40wl)
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I am descended from Malcolm Canmore and St. Margaret of Scotland, and on the other side my Grandmother was a MacFee. I expect one of those folks went anywhere unarmed. lol.
Posted by: tcn in AK
Highlander (Clan MacPherson affiliated) from my dad's side. English from Mother's. They shared a common ancestor in the 15th Century which horrified my mother. A Lord Alexander Calhoun.
Posted by: tcn in AK
Highlander (Clan MacPherson affiliated) from my dad's side. English from Mother's. They shared a common ancestor in the 15th Century which horrified my mother. A Lord Alexander Calhoun.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:14 PM (E4rtv)
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Grateful, I rarely comment, but also rarely miss a gub thread!
Hope all is well with you and yours!
Hope all is well with you and yours!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:14 PM (hOUT3)
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". . . please think before you post. Thanks."
Weasel, love you Bro, but when has this ever happened here?
Weasel, love you Bro, but when has this ever happened here?
Posted by: Tonypete at March 01, 2026 09:14 PM (cYBz/)
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Weasel, love you Bro, but when has this ever happened here?
Posted by: Tonypete at March 01, 2026 09:14 PM (cYBz/)
Fire.
Ready!
????
Posted by: Tonypete at March 01, 2026 09:14 PM (cYBz/)
Fire.
Ready!
????
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:15 PM (zZu0s)
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Loaded with oil?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
From Suchominous' YT channel, it looks empty. The red part of the hull is really high above the water. That says to me that the ship is completely empty of cargo (i.e. oil). It was probably going to Kharg Island to pick up oil there. The Iranians definitely failed Phase 2 here.
Posted by: Ed L
Their command and control was mostly eliminated on Day 1.
Probably a lot of communications too.
That's why the field units are are just popping off at random targets.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
From Suchominous' YT channel, it looks empty. The red part of the hull is really high above the water. That says to me that the ship is completely empty of cargo (i.e. oil). It was probably going to Kharg Island to pick up oil there. The Iranians definitely failed Phase 2 here.
Posted by: Ed L
Their command and control was mostly eliminated on Day 1.
Probably a lot of communications too.
That's why the field units are are just popping off at random targets.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 09:15 PM (/lPRQ)
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Whig, TCN, you sound almost as Wonder Bread as I.
I think they came up with WASP to describe my family. English guy stepped off the boat in 1629, Scottish minister in 1800s, and Irish potato famine refugees thereafter.
I think they came up with WASP to describe my family. English guy stepped off the boat in 1629, Scottish minister in 1800s, and Irish potato famine refugees thereafter.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 09:16 PM (GOpmI)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 09:16 PM (Jtz/H)
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Not sure what they fended the bears off with, but apparently it was effective.
Posted by: pookysgirl didn't want her husband fighting a bear at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (Wt5PA)
Just keep a few screechy blue hairs around. The bears leave to escape the noise.
Posted by: pookysgirl didn't want her husband fighting a bear at March 01, 2026 08:56 PM (Wt5PA)
Just keep a few screechy blue hairs around. The bears leave to escape the noise.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 09:17 PM (ExV1e)
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Stopped at a big sporting goods store on Friday. For some reason they had been cleaned out of 45 ACP ammo, but still had plenty of everything else on the shelves. Maybe Roland the Thompson Gunner was in town.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
Did they have reloads for my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator? Those are hard to come by.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
Did they have reloads for my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator? Those are hard to come by.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 01, 2026 09:18 PM (cYBz/)
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“Back when I still spoke to people ….”
You still converse with the missus, no? She’s not on the “Do Not Talk” list?
You still converse with the missus, no? She’s not on the “Do Not Talk” list?
Posted by: Common Tater at March 01, 2026 09:18 PM (19v1I)
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OK, 9:19 thank you time.
Thank you!!
Appreciate all y'all being here tonight and participating. Hope to see you next Sunday!
Thank you!!
Appreciate all y'all being here tonight and participating. Hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 09:19 PM (Jtz/H)
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Evidently, .300 Winchester magnum is considered the minimum safe polar bear load. According to Bing Ai search.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:19 PM (zZu0s)
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Get engaged now, or we will be totally shut out of the Iranian rebuilding'.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at March 01, 2026 09:08 PM (53lW4)
They bought oil from Iran under the table as well, no?
Trump was looking to put thir dicks in a vise.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:12 PM (zZu0s)
Don't forget about the Chinese. If the Straits of Hormuz are closed by the Iranians, that's over half of China's oil supply that's been cut off. The price increases from this closure alone could topple China into a major recession. A prolonged closure of the straits does NOT serve China's interests. And China doesn't have a navy that can pry the straits open again.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at March 01, 2026 09:08 PM (53lW4)
They bought oil from Iran under the table as well, no?
Trump was looking to put thir dicks in a vise.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:12 PM (zZu0s)
Don't forget about the Chinese. If the Straits of Hormuz are closed by the Iranians, that's over half of China's oil supply that's been cut off. The price increases from this closure alone could topple China into a major recession. A prolonged closure of the straits does NOT serve China's interests. And China doesn't have a navy that can pry the straits open again.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 09:19 PM (BCwQW)
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225 ... "Haven't checked in ages, but Trail Boss is still available? For some reason I thought it had been discontinued, but maybe that just during the last panic."
Trail Boss is still made but the usual sources are out of stock right now. Hodgdon halted it for a while but it came back last year.
Trail Boss is still made but the usual sources are out of stock right now. Hodgdon halted it for a while but it came back last year.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 09:19 PM (yTvNw)
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I have recipes for all my established loads using HP38. Use some Vihtavouri for my "duplication" loads.
Posted by: rhomboid
Currently WW231 and HP38 are the same powder. Has been true since Hogdons started selling Winchester powders. Both are made at St. Marks. Some very old loads out there have different loadings but newer manuals reflect the fact that whatever differences used to exist are no more.
You can ask Hodgons if you don't believe me.
Brian Enos (bigtime competitive shooter) did and got this
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Posted July 2, 2015
I know that it's fairly well known that W231 and HP-38 are really the same powder, but I've never actually seen anything documented that confirms it, so I sent an email to Hodgdon asking for confirmation and received this reply:
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Brian,
Yes they are the same powder we package it for Winchester. You can use the same data.
Mike Van Dyke
Customer Service Representative
Hodgdon Powder Company
Posted by: rhomboid
Currently WW231 and HP38 are the same powder. Has been true since Hogdons started selling Winchester powders. Both are made at St. Marks. Some very old loads out there have different loadings but newer manuals reflect the fact that whatever differences used to exist are no more.
You can ask Hodgons if you don't believe me.
Brian Enos (bigtime competitive shooter) did and got this
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Posted July 2, 2015
I know that it's fairly well known that W231 and HP-38 are really the same powder, but I've never actually seen anything documented that confirms it, so I sent an email to Hodgdon asking for confirmation and received this reply:
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Brian,
Yes they are the same powder we package it for Winchester. You can use the same data.
Mike Van Dyke
Customer Service Representative
Hodgdon Powder Company
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:19 PM (E4rtv)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 09:20 PM (BCwQW)
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Weasel, appreciate you being here and posting!
Hope retirement is good and you’re halfway through any honey dew lists.
Hope retirement is good and you’re halfway through any honey dew lists.
Posted by: RI Red - who is now Somebody! at March 01, 2026 09:21 PM (GOpmI)
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Just watched Miss Lindsey on Trey Gowdy's show.
Forget 4 hours, I think his erection's going to last 4 days at least.
Forget 4 hours, I think his erection's going to last 4 days at least.
Posted by: Dr. T at March 01, 2026 09:21 PM (lHPJf)
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 09:22 PM (Jtz/H)
Posted by: Joyenz at March 01, 2026 09:22 PM (2F0/Y)
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261 Whig, TCN, you sound almost as Wonder Bread as I.
I think they came up with WASP to describe my family. English guy stepped off the boat in 1629, Scottish minister in 1800s, and Irish potato famine refugees thereafter.
Posted by: RI Red
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Painfully white, burn if the sun comes out in December white. I really should live in a place where there are clouds for most of the year.
But yes, traced my genealogy over time to back in the 1700s for most but my patriarchal and matriarchal lines back to the 1000's and 1300's respectively. Did something similar for my wife.
I think they came up with WASP to describe my family. English guy stepped off the boat in 1629, Scottish minister in 1800s, and Irish potato famine refugees thereafter.
Posted by: RI Red
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Painfully white, burn if the sun comes out in December white. I really should live in a place where there are clouds for most of the year.
But yes, traced my genealogy over time to back in the 1700s for most but my patriarchal and matriarchal lines back to the 1000's and 1300's respectively. Did something similar for my wife.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:22 PM (E4rtv)
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Evidently, .300 Winchester magnum is considered the minimum safe polar bear load. According to Bing Ai search.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone
I'll play it safe and ignore any advice that excludes the words "grenade launcher."
Grizzlies, too.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone
I'll play it safe and ignore any advice that excludes the words "grenade launcher."
Grizzlies, too.
Posted by: mikeski at March 01, 2026 09:23 PM (VHUov)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:04 PM (zZu0s)
You may be spot on, I admit I thought the rust was a bit too perfect, but still an interesting thing to watch!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:11 PM (hOUT3)
Hrothgar!
You may be spot on, I admit I thought the rust was a bit too perfect, but still an interesting thing to watch!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:11 PM (hOUT3)
Hrothgar!
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 09:24 PM (LHPAg)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 01, 2026 09:26 PM (Wnv9h)
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And I have "duplication" loads I've worked up for all my self-defense ammo in all calibers. Matches the recoil. Can shoot through a box of duplication loads for very little cost while maintaining familiarity with all my self-defense factory ammo.
Posted by: rhomboid
I've done the duplication loads as well but using the same jhp bullets as the factory loads. I save my nickeled cases for those as they tend to crack when reloaded more than a couple of times.
Making the old FBI 158 gr +P loads for 38 Special using swaged lead hollow points is also extremely easy. Those hit about like 45 ACP ball ammo. The key is to use the dead soft swaged lead (Remington and Speer sell those or did) bullets as those readily expand at the 890-900 fps mark.
Posted by: rhomboid
I've done the duplication loads as well but using the same jhp bullets as the factory loads. I save my nickeled cases for those as they tend to crack when reloaded more than a couple of times.
Making the old FBI 158 gr +P loads for 38 Special using swaged lead hollow points is also extremely easy. Those hit about like 45 ACP ball ammo. The key is to use the dead soft swaged lead (Remington and Speer sell those or did) bullets as those readily expand at the 890-900 fps mark.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:27 PM (E4rtv)
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Whig, it probably isn't helpful, but I used to run black powder in 45-70 for my trapdoor and .43 Mauser for another rifle. At the time the options were pyrodex, which gives me headaches, and the then newer substitute based on citric acid which I didn't have enough information on to play with.
Since I was already shooting black powder with my Hawkin, it was easy enough to switch.
I haven't reloaded for it for years, so I am not sure about the availability of black powder, but I suppose I should find out, since I want to get back to shooting the rifles.
Since I was already shooting black powder with my Hawkin, it was easy enough to switch.
I haven't reloaded for it for years, so I am not sure about the availability of black powder, but I suppose I should find out, since I want to get back to shooting the rifles.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 01, 2026 09:27 PM (rbvCR)
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Was a video showing ~21 Tomahawk like objects inbound. Seems like a lot so I thought maybe the US has some much cheaper versions as drones. Why not use a proven airframe with Temu guidance and save $2M on each?
Because, when you care enough you send the very best
Because, when you care enough you send the very best
Posted by: Hallmark at March 01, 2026 09:28 PM (D0HYP)
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Thanks for sponsoring our little party every Saturday Weasel and your patience with us is outstanding.
And for newcomers, please ask questions as several did tonight. We were in the same boat as you were once in many cases but learned by trial and error what what we know.
Can't think of any people here, unlike some gun forums, that will blow smoke up your wazoo in this thread.
And for newcomers, please ask questions as several did tonight. We were in the same boat as you were once in many cases but learned by trial and error what what we know.
Can't think of any people here, unlike some gun forums, that will blow smoke up your wazoo in this thread.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:29 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:29 PM (E4rtv)
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He said we were looking at it wrong, that the cops were not trying to jam us up and preferred dealing with people who were upfront about it.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 08:42 PM (NlEaG)
Again, it goes to "Why would a cop be pulling me over?" If it's about your speed or you ignored a no-U-turn sign, then just be polite and you'll be on your way. If you were driving 100 in a 55 zone, you might want to do all those things the lawyer was talking about. If you're drunk, you might want to do what the lawyer was talking about. If you and the boys were smoking some spliff out at the lake and it's not 100% legal where you are, you might want to do like the man says.
Of course, if you're carrying in the last two circumstances, you done screwed up and probably want to shut up and call an attorney. But you also probably don't want the cop to find your gun after you denying you had it on you.
Posted by: blaster at March 01, 2026 08:42 PM (NlEaG)
Again, it goes to "Why would a cop be pulling me over?" If it's about your speed or you ignored a no-U-turn sign, then just be polite and you'll be on your way. If you were driving 100 in a 55 zone, you might want to do all those things the lawyer was talking about. If you're drunk, you might want to do what the lawyer was talking about. If you and the boys were smoking some spliff out at the lake and it's not 100% legal where you are, you might want to do like the man says.
Of course, if you're carrying in the last two circumstances, you done screwed up and probably want to shut up and call an attorney. But you also probably don't want the cop to find your gun after you denying you had it on you.
Posted by: GWB at March 01, 2026 09:30 PM (nCVYJ)
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Evidently, .300 Winchester magnum is considered the minimum safe polar bear load. According to Bing Ai search.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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I have a standing arrangement with bears, tigers, lions, etc. I will come visit you in a zoo but in the wild, I will keep a very wide berth from your places of residence. Works the same with with gangbangers, avoidance of unnecessary complications in life works wonders.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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I have a standing arrangement with bears, tigers, lions, etc. I will come visit you in a zoo but in the wild, I will keep a very wide berth from your places of residence. Works the same with with gangbangers, avoidance of unnecessary complications in life works wonders.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:31 PM (E4rtv)
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We've seen periods where ammo and/or components are hard to find for whatever reasons. A couple of these periods ago I figured out which powders I needed for almost all my shooting, rifle and handgun. Turns out Unique, Bullseye and a couple of others covered 90 percent of my needs for smokeless loads. When conditions improved, I looked for sales on those and stocked up. It wasn't cheap at the time but compared to today's prices it was a bargain.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 09:32 PM (yTvNw)
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Speaking of things that go boom,
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
BREAKING:
🇮🇱 Israel used its laser air defense system against rockets launched from Lebanon.
The “Laser Dome” (Or Eitan) laser system successfully intercepted rockets from Lebanon.
A new era of defense.
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
BREAKING:
🇮🇱 Israel used its laser air defense system against rockets launched from Lebanon.
The “Laser Dome” (Or Eitan) laser system successfully intercepted rockets from Lebanon.
A new era of defense.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:33 PM (E4rtv)
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Was a video showing ~21 Tomahawk like objects inbound. Seems like a lot so I thought maybe the US has some much cheaper versions as drones. Why not use a proven airframe with Temu guidance and save $2M on each?
Maybe they needed a bigger boom. Maybe they needed a weapon system which didn't require outside input to hit its target. Maybe the launch platform that was in position (like a submarine) had Tomahawks but not drones.
Maybe they needed a bigger boom. Maybe they needed a weapon system which didn't require outside input to hit its target. Maybe the launch platform that was in position (like a submarine) had Tomahawks but not drones.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 01, 2026 09:33 PM (ExV1e)
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Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:29 PM (E4rtv)
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Thanks whig! Appreciate you being here and participating every week!
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Thanks whig! Appreciate you being here and participating every week!
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2026 09:34 PM (doeWO)
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Mag. ≥250 gr Controlled-expansion
Minimum recommended
.338 Win. Mag. ≥225 gr Controlled-expansion
Preferred by many hunters
.375 H&H Mag. ≥225 gr Controlled-expansion
High knockdown power
.416 Rem. Mag. ≥250 gr Controlled-expansion
Maximum penetration
The table provided by the AI.
Minimum recommended
.338 Win. Mag. ≥225 gr Controlled-expansion
Preferred by many hunters
.375 H&H Mag. ≥225 gr Controlled-expansion
High knockdown power
.416 Rem. Mag. ≥250 gr Controlled-expansion
Maximum penetration
The table provided by the AI.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:34 PM (zZu0s)
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This is the best video the Paolo has ever seen of Uranus.
Posted by: The Paolo at March 01, 2026 09:34 PM (R86kT)
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I have a standing arrangement with bears, tigers, lions, etc. I will come visit you in a zoo but in the wild, I will keep a very wide berth from your places of residence. Works the same with with gangbangers, avoidance of unnecessary complications in life works wonders.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:31 PM (E4rtv)
There is iron in the words of whig for all men to see.
Ten Bears
I have a standing arrangement with bears, tigers, lions, etc. I will come visit you in a zoo but in the wild, I will keep a very wide berth from your places of residence. Works the same with with gangbangers, avoidance of unnecessary complications in life works wonders.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:31 PM (E4rtv)
There is iron in the words of whig for all men to see.
Ten Bears
Posted by: Eromero at March 01, 2026 09:35 PM (LHPAg)
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287 We've seen periods where ammo and/or components are hard to find for whatever reasons. A couple of these periods ago I figured out which powders I needed for almost all my shooting, rifle and handgun. Turns out Unique, Bullseye and a couple of others covered 90 percent of my needs for smokeless loads. When conditions improved, I looked for sales on those and stocked up. It wasn't cheap at the time but compared to today's prices it was a bargain.
Posted by: JTB
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Unique works well too for reduced loads in std. rifles. You see this in old loading books but not so much anymore. The new formulation too is cleaner than the old one was.
Never been a fan much of bullseye but you can shoot really cheap with it for practice loads, especially 45 ACP. Just don't double charge a case with it.
Posted by: JTB
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Unique works well too for reduced loads in std. rifles. You see this in old loading books but not so much anymore. The new formulation too is cleaner than the old one was.
Never been a fan much of bullseye but you can shoot really cheap with it for practice loads, especially 45 ACP. Just don't double charge a case with it.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:35 PM (E4rtv)
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Was a video showing ~21 Tomahawk like objects inbound. Seems like a lot so I thought maybe the US has some much cheaper versions as drones. Why not use a proven airframe with Temu guidance and save $2M on each?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 07:40 PM (/lPRQ)
RT has a post on what they claim is a US version of the Iranian Shahed that was upgraded with a Starlink receiver, which has the Russians concerned
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 07:40 PM (/lPRQ)
RT has a post on what they claim is a US version of the Iranian Shahed that was upgraded with a Starlink receiver, which has the Russians concerned
Posted by: Kindltot at March 01, 2026 09:35 PM (rbvCR)
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Isaiah 54:17
Posted by: Marcus T at March 01, 2026 07:04 PM (y0LCM)
That also assumes that you're actually following His rules and therefore shouldn't fear the law.
"Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation."
1 Peter 2:12
Posted by: Marcus T at March 01, 2026 07:04 PM (y0LCM)
That also assumes that you're actually following His rules and therefore shouldn't fear the law.
"Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation."
1 Peter 2:12
Posted by: GWB at March 01, 2026 09:36 PM (nCVYJ)
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Thanks whig! Appreciate you being here and participating every week!
Posted by: Weasel
Well, haven't been able to shoot other than dryfire and now can't even lift more than 5 Lbs until another couple of weeks. Typing though I can do so thanks for the distraction.
Posted by: Weasel
Well, haven't been able to shoot other than dryfire and now can't even lift more than 5 Lbs until another couple of weeks. Typing though I can do so thanks for the distraction.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:36 PM (E4rtv)
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Was a video showing ~21 Tomahawk like objects inbound. Seems like a lot so I thought maybe the US has some much cheaper versions as drones. Why not use a proven airframe with Temu guidance and save $2M on each?
Because, when you care enough you send the very best
Posted by: Hallmark at March 01, 2026 09:28 PM (D0HYP)
We did. We reverse engineered the Iranian Shaheed drone, fitted it with the Hellfire warhead, and gave it a better guidance system. CENTCOM says large numbers were used in combat against their originators in the last two days.
Because, when you care enough you send the very best
Posted by: Hallmark at March 01, 2026 09:28 PM (D0HYP)
We did. We reverse engineered the Iranian Shaheed drone, fitted it with the Hellfire warhead, and gave it a better guidance system. CENTCOM says large numbers were used in combat against their originators in the last two days.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 09:37 PM (BCwQW)
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One of the things giving our fucking corrupt congress critters wet dreams was the ability to test new weapons in Ukraine. So we probably (you'd hope for the money) learned something.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:37 PM (zZu0s)
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We've seen periods where ammo and/or components are hard to find for whatever reasons. A couple of these periods ago I figured out which powders I needed for almost all my shooting, rifle and handgun. Turns out Unique, Bullseye and a couple of others covered 90 percent of my needs for smokeless loads. When conditions improved, I looked for sales on those and stocked up. It wasn't cheap at the time but compared to today's prices it was a bargain.
Posted by: JTB
Might be that Unique, Bullseye and a couple of others have been around forever and have loading data for everything.
Might not be the best for any one application but will have something that works with virtually any cartridge and bullet.
And that is a pretty good contingency.
Posted by: JTB
Might be that Unique, Bullseye and a couple of others have been around forever and have loading data for everything.
Might not be the best for any one application but will have something that works with virtually any cartridge and bullet.
And that is a pretty good contingency.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 09:39 PM (/lPRQ)
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With the current situation (as shown by Austin) it's important to stay strapped and alert.
Just like always.
Posted by: KCSteve at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (2+WvJ)
Which is possibly why he attacked a bar/club. Most places prevent you from carrying there (even if you're the designated driver), making it a low risk/high return locale.
Just like always.
Posted by: KCSteve at March 01, 2026 07:20 PM (2+WvJ)
Which is possibly why he attacked a bar/club. Most places prevent you from carrying there (even if you're the designated driver), making it a low risk/high return locale.
Posted by: GWB at March 01, 2026 09:40 PM (nCVYJ)
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The “Laser Dome” (Or Eitan) laser system successfully intercepted rockets from Lebanon.
A new era of defense.
"These are the days of miracles and wonder." So much stuff that was crazy science fiction when we were growing up is coming true now. I honestly don't know how I feel about that.
A new era of defense.
"These are the days of miracles and wonder." So much stuff that was crazy science fiction when we were growing up is coming true now. I honestly don't know how I feel about that.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 01, 2026 09:40 PM (Fs0KI)
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FWIW,
I like several rifle powders--H4895 or IMR 4895 (and Varget), H4350, BL(C)2, CFE 223,and H4198 or Accurate 1680. These are for rifles.
Handguns, Universal, Unique, WW231/HP38, WAP/Silhouette, Zip, and Titegroup.
Shotguns, Universal, Red Dot, Blue Dot.
Have Trail Boss for BP substitute but never loaded it as I started having pretty bad problems with nerve impingement about the time I got it.
I like several rifle powders--H4895 or IMR 4895 (and Varget), H4350, BL(C)2, CFE 223,and H4198 or Accurate 1680. These are for rifles.
Handguns, Universal, Unique, WW231/HP38, WAP/Silhouette, Zip, and Titegroup.
Shotguns, Universal, Red Dot, Blue Dot.
Have Trail Boss for BP substitute but never loaded it as I started having pretty bad problems with nerve impingement about the time I got it.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:42 PM (E4rtv)
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Gangs or jihadi? Is there a difference?
Cincinnati Mass Shooting: Hundreds inside venue when shots rang out
Cincinnati Mass Shooting: Hundreds inside venue when shots rang out
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 01, 2026 09:43 PM (diia5)
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Might be that Unique, Bullseye and a couple of others have been around forever and have loading data for everything.
Might not be the best for any one application but will have something that works with virtually any cartridge and bullet.
And that is a pretty good contingency.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
From what I understand, Alliant has some of the original Unique (made by the defunct Hercules Powder Company) kept in a swimming pool storage for reference purposes and they check it now and again. Still good apparently.
Alliant has been hard to get recently because the same plant turns out powder for the US military and contracts for foreign companies I think.
Might not be the best for any one application but will have something that works with virtually any cartridge and bullet.
And that is a pretty good contingency.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
From what I understand, Alliant has some of the original Unique (made by the defunct Hercules Powder Company) kept in a swimming pool storage for reference purposes and they check it now and again. Still good apparently.
Alliant has been hard to get recently because the same plant turns out powder for the US military and contracts for foreign companies I think.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:44 PM (E4rtv)
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45-70 is supposedly carried by a lot of Alaskan guides. I can personally attest to its performance on bears. I was not able to keep the skull of the one that got in the way of mine. Too many small pieces…
Posted by: Coelacanth at March 01, 2026 09:45 PM (qj83B)
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294 ... "
Never been a fan much of bullseye but you can shoot really cheap with it for practice loads, especially 45 ACP. Just don't double charge a case with it."
For some reason I always had good results with Bullseye for 38 special WC and 45 ACP. And I am a fanatic about checking double charges. Not the fastest reloader but hopefully the safest. :-)
Never been a fan much of bullseye but you can shoot really cheap with it for practice loads, especially 45 ACP. Just don't double charge a case with it."
For some reason I always had good results with Bullseye for 38 special WC and 45 ACP. And I am a fanatic about checking double charges. Not the fastest reloader but hopefully the safest. :-)
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 09:45 PM (yTvNw)
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One of the things giving our fucking corrupt congress critters wet dreams was the ability to test new weapons in Ukraine. So we probably (you'd hope for the money) learned something.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:37 PM (zZu0s)
The issue isn't the weapons themselves. It's the electronic warfare capability of a first class OPFOR, something that has never actually been tested in combat for thirty plus years. Say what you will about the Russians, but their electronic warfare at the front lines has been first rate. Their GPS jamming has successfully reduced the effectiveness of HIMARS, GLSDB, JDAM, and more weapons systems we've sent over to the Ukrainians. And their EW countermeasures significantly reduced Ukrainian drone effectiveness until the Ukrainians adapted to Russian methods.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 01, 2026 09:37 PM (zZu0s)
The issue isn't the weapons themselves. It's the electronic warfare capability of a first class OPFOR, something that has never actually been tested in combat for thirty plus years. Say what you will about the Russians, but their electronic warfare at the front lines has been first rate. Their GPS jamming has successfully reduced the effectiveness of HIMARS, GLSDB, JDAM, and more weapons systems we've sent over to the Ukrainians. And their EW countermeasures significantly reduced Ukrainian drone effectiveness until the Ukrainians adapted to Russian methods.
Posted by: Ed L at March 01, 2026 09:45 PM (BCwQW)
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The last time I reloaded anything was probably 35 years ago. I'm afraid to look at prices for things.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 01, 2026 09:47 PM (snZF9)
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Freedom Outdoors in Virginia Beach has a $100 initiation fee, $44 a month, range time is free (and you don't have to make reservations). Since range fees are $20, you make your money back with 2 visits a month. (I have not been making my money back. Ugh.) For that you also get a free Gun of the Month rental, visitor's passes (so your guest is free, too), 10% off rentals, and some other stuff.
Those bennies get better if you do the Premier membership ($64/month), including unlimited firearm rentals.
The rifle club I could join is entirely private. Right now they don't even list how to become a member. But it was something like $500 for a limited membership.
Or, I drive down to the public ranges in NC.
Those bennies get better if you do the Premier membership ($64/month), including unlimited firearm rentals.
The rifle club I could join is entirely private. Right now they don't even list how to become a member. But it was something like $500 for a limited membership.
Or, I drive down to the public ranges in NC.
Posted by: GWB at March 01, 2026 09:51 PM (nCVYJ)
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Yo, Eromero!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 01, 2026 09:53 PM (hOUT3)
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309 The last time I reloaded anything was probably 35 years ago. I'm afraid to look at prices for things.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Equipment is very reasonable and better than what it was as far as ease of use in reloading. Powder is still expensive, primers have dropped. Brass cost depends on what you are reloading. Bullets from fairly cheap for plated/lead to as much as premium bullets can be.
Good time to restart doing it actually.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Equipment is very reasonable and better than what it was as far as ease of use in reloading. Powder is still expensive, primers have dropped. Brass cost depends on what you are reloading. Bullets from fairly cheap for plated/lead to as much as premium bullets can be.
Good time to restart doing it actually.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:54 PM (E4rtv)
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45-70 is supposedly carried by a lot of Alaskan guides. I can personally attest to its performance on bears. I was not able to keep the skull of the one that got in the way of mine. Too many small pieces…
Posted by: Coelacanth
Banana Ballistics has a weird mix of his own penetration tests. One is a six inch sand box. A sub-sonic 45-70 was one of the few (only one I saw in his vids) to go through. Big slug with very large sectional density. Even regular 50 BMG did not.
Posted by: Coelacanth
Banana Ballistics has a weird mix of his own penetration tests. One is a six inch sand box. A sub-sonic 45-70 was one of the few (only one I saw in his vids) to go through. Big slug with very large sectional density. Even regular 50 BMG did not.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 09:55 PM (/lPRQ)
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309 ... "The last time I reloaded anything was probably 35 years ago. I'm afraid to look at prices for things."
Berserker,
The tools like single stage presses can be had reasonably. The cost of components, powders and primers, compared to 35 years ago will take your breath away.
Berserker,
The tools like single stage presses can be had reasonably. The cost of components, powders and primers, compared to 35 years ago will take your breath away.
Posted by: JTB at March 01, 2026 09:56 PM (yTvNw)
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Berserker,
Whole 9mm Kit from Lee for about $100 bucks with dies and press. Add a powder measure, reloading manual (Lee is a good starter one), and reloading supplies and you're off.
Whole 9mm Kit from Lee for about $100 bucks with dies and press. Add a powder measure, reloading manual (Lee is a good starter one), and reloading supplies and you're off.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Going to my monthly gun class next weekend. I am going to bring my husband's gun, which I have never shot before, and I'm kind of nervous as I have only shot my Glock 9 mm and his gun is a 45. But I figured that since I might find myself in a situation someday where I have to shoot his gun (eg: a home defense incident) I had better do it now so I can get comfortable with it.
Posted by: Frankie at March 01, 2026 09:59 PM (zqqz5)
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Earlier tonight I loaded up some 44 Special, using some powder from American Reloading that is supposed to be equivalent to HS-6 behind a 240gr coated SWC. Loaded up three different charges (not posting weights out of respect for our host’s wishes) so I’ll see what kind of velocities I get when I eventually shoot these.
For range talk, the range I go to is $300 a year for membership. A short rifle range out to 500 yards, long range that was just lengthened from 1,250 to 1,500 yards, and 8 pistol pits that I wish they would pave or concrete so it’s easier to find brass.
For range talk, the range I go to is $300 a year for membership. A short rifle range out to 500 yards, long range that was just lengthened from 1,250 to 1,500 yards, and 8 pistol pits that I wish they would pave or concrete so it’s easier to find brass.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at March 01, 2026 09:59 PM (BqDO6)
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For some reason I always had good results with Bullseye for 38 special WC and 45 ACP. And I am a fanatic about checking double charges. Not the fastest reloader but hopefully the safest. :-)
Posted by: JTB
I use a powder checker die nowadays but double charges of a very fast powder are my worst nightmare in reloading. Zip is about as fast as I will go and I am paranoid about it.
Posted by: JTB
I use a powder checker die nowadays but double charges of a very fast powder are my worst nightmare in reloading. Zip is about as fast as I will go and I am paranoid about it.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:59 PM (E4rtv)
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Equipment is very reasonable and better than what it was as far as ease of use in reloading. Powder is still expensive, primers have dropped. Brass cost depends on what you are reloading. Bullets from fairly cheap for plated/lead to as much as premium bullets can be.
Good time to restart doing it actually.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:54 PM (E4rt
Equipment I still have. Probably got tons of brass too from back then. I was more curious about the powders and primers. I'm seeing power in the $50 range, and primers seem to be all over the map. Holy shit though, .050 bmg primers are over $1 each. Not that i need that, but damn.....
Good time to restart doing it actually.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:54 PM (E4rt
Equipment I still have. Probably got tons of brass too from back then. I was more curious about the powders and primers. I'm seeing power in the $50 range, and primers seem to be all over the map. Holy shit though, .050 bmg primers are over $1 each. Not that i need that, but damn.....
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 01, 2026 09:59 PM (snZF9)
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We visited the A&M Corps museum yesterday and the spawn saw a Springfield 1903 on display. She looked at the serial number and said hers had a much lower serial number. Some other kid overheard her and said she was lucky to have one and she said yes, she was very lucky thanks to Jim.
She talked to the guy manning the marksmanship team table and got some good info. They only seem to shoot Glock 34's with iron sights along with AR15's and something chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor for precision.
She talked to the guy manning the marksmanship team table and got some good info. They only seem to shoot Glock 34's with iron sights along with AR15's and something chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor for precision.
Posted by: lin-duh is offended at March 01, 2026 10:00 PM (VCgbV)
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Equipment I still have. Probably got tons of brass too from back then. I was more curious about the powders and primers. I'm seeing power in the $50 range, and primers seem to be all over the map. Holy shit though, .050 bmg primers are over $1 each. Not that i need that, but damn.....
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
Anything but 9mm and 5.56 is probably still worth reloading. But those two, nah.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
Anything but 9mm and 5.56 is probably still worth reloading. But those two, nah.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 01, 2026 10:03 PM (/lPRQ)
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316 Going to my monthly gun class next weekend. I am going to bring my husband's gun, which I have never shot before, and I'm kind of nervous as I have only shot my Glock 9 mm and his gun is a 45. But I figured that since I might find myself in a situation someday where I have to shoot his gun (eg: a home defense incident) I had better do it now so I can get comfortable with it.
Posted by: Frankie
Is his gun full size, not compact, etc?. Full Size in 45 ACP is not terrible, long recoil impulse. 40 S&W is sharper, Just ride the 45 push and at the end focus on reacquiring the target. Smaller 45 ACPs have unpleasant recoil and watch out for a flinch development.
If you can find some 45 ACP ammo loaded with 185gr or even 200 gr bullets (will be on the box), or lead bullets coated or not, you will get a easier recoil impetus (if the ammo is not high pressure aka +p on the box).
Bullet weight and the amount of powder used (pressure is a proxy for it--the culprit is gas escaping the bore) make recoil worse as they go up and as they drop make recoil easier in the same gun.
Posted by: Frankie
Is his gun full size, not compact, etc?. Full Size in 45 ACP is not terrible, long recoil impulse. 40 S&W is sharper, Just ride the 45 push and at the end focus on reacquiring the target. Smaller 45 ACPs have unpleasant recoil and watch out for a flinch development.
If you can find some 45 ACP ammo loaded with 185gr or even 200 gr bullets (will be on the box), or lead bullets coated or not, you will get a easier recoil impetus (if the ammo is not high pressure aka +p on the box).
Bullet weight and the amount of powder used (pressure is a proxy for it--the culprit is gas escaping the bore) make recoil worse as they go up and as they drop make recoil easier in the same gun.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 10:04 PM (E4rtv)
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Probably got tons of brass too from back then. I was more curious about the powders and primers. I'm seeing power in the $50 range, and primers seem to be all over the map. Holy shit though, .050 bmg primers are over $1 each. Not that i need that, but damn.....
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
That's about right for powder. Still some shortages and a lot of the powder is imported. Didn't help that Hodgdons bought out Western Powder Company so no other domestic supplier. Thus you get Vihtavuori, Norma, and some other imports instead.
Primers, unless I need something special for something for a load, I pretty much stick with CCI nowadays.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
That's about right for powder. Still some shortages and a lot of the powder is imported. Didn't help that Hodgdons bought out Western Powder Company so no other domestic supplier. Thus you get Vihtavuori, Norma, and some other imports instead.
Primers, unless I need something special for something for a load, I pretty much stick with CCI nowadays.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 10:07 PM (E4rtv)
Posted by: tankdemon at March 01, 2026 10:09 PM (E4pkH)
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Anything but 9mm and 5.56 is probably still worth reloading. But those two, nah.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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I did a box of 9mm last year just to stay in practice. Tons of brass for that cartridge. Have taken though to lightly touching one out of ten cartridges with a hint of imperial sizing wax as it makes sizing a snap without adding a bunch of crud.
Last prep on brass I did was 2022 when I switched over to using steel pins and tumbling instead of walnut shell vibratory. Brass came out spectacular and I did a few rifle rounds using an ultrasonic cleaner. Those came out great as well.
Anything but 9mm and 5.56 is probably still worth reloading. But those two, nah.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
============
I did a box of 9mm last year just to stay in practice. Tons of brass for that cartridge. Have taken though to lightly touching one out of ten cartridges with a hint of imperial sizing wax as it makes sizing a snap without adding a bunch of crud.
Last prep on brass I did was 2022 when I switched over to using steel pins and tumbling instead of walnut shell vibratory. Brass came out spectacular and I did a few rifle rounds using an ultrasonic cleaner. Those came out great as well.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 10:10 PM (E4rtv)
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BREAKING:
🇮🇱 Israel used its laser air defense system against rockets launched from Lebanon.
The “Laser Dome” (Or Eitan) laser system successfully intercepted rockets from Lebanon.
A new era of defense.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:33 PM (E4rtv)
_-_
Pretty sure that's what we were seeing back during the twelve-day thing. In coming missiles suddenly glowing very brightly very much short of their target. They certainly weren't getting hit with a missile.
Thanks for the range etiquette video! Much needed these days. I have been swept with a muzzle too many times (at a range WITH an RSO) to even want to go to a public range anymore.
Say, any of the Horde listen to Matt Bracken's take on the Iran situation? Interesting points he makes about it talking with Mike Ferris.
🇮🇱 Israel used its laser air defense system against rockets launched from Lebanon.
The “Laser Dome” (Or Eitan) laser system successfully intercepted rockets from Lebanon.
A new era of defense.
Posted by: whig at March 01, 2026 09:33 PM (E4rtv)
_-_
Pretty sure that's what we were seeing back during the twelve-day thing. In coming missiles suddenly glowing very brightly very much short of their target. They certainly weren't getting hit with a missile.
Thanks for the range etiquette video! Much needed these days. I have been swept with a muzzle too many times (at a range WITH an RSO) to even want to go to a public range anymore.
Say, any of the Horde listen to Matt Bracken's take on the Iran situation? Interesting points he makes about it talking with Mike Ferris.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at March 01, 2026 10:21 PM (vd6bO)
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