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Charlottesville, VA Disables Citywide Crime Cameras to Help Illegal Alien Criminals Evade the Law

David Frum, quoting CBS19:

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (CBS19 NEWS) -- The City of Charlottesville will not move forward with the Flock Safety license plate reader system following the conclusion of a yearlong pilot program, despite reported success in helping police solve crimes.

City Council decided during its meeting on Monday, citing concerns largely outside the city's control.

"I just think that the concerns are much bigger than us," Charlottesville Police Chief Michael Kochis said.

Over the 12-month pilot period, the Charlottesville Police Department gathered feedback from community members on the use of the Flock camera system.

"Most of the feedback we got was very positive from folks in the community. That being said, there were some concerns," Kochis said.

Among the primary concerns were how data collected by Flock could potentially be accessed or used beyond the city's control, including fears it could be obtained by federal agencies for unintended purposes, such as tracking undocumented immigrants.

"The big concerns continue to come up from mostly policymakers that, you know, are they the federal government or the administration in D.C. could get access to it," Kochis said.

Despite those concerns, Kochis said the system proved effective during the pilot program.

"It's helped us solve our homicide in the city. It has helped us recover a missing child. It has helped us recover missing people. It does help us recover stolen cars in time frames that actually have meaning," he said.

But fuck American citizens, the only ones who matter are foreign criminals.


Related: Cultural Enrichment as far as the eye can see.

It's not just foreign criminals who are more important than law-abiding, moral and good American citizens.

It's home-grown thugs and killers, too.

Posted by: Ace at 05:30 PM




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1 Evening Horde.

Posted by: neverrenoughcaffeine at December 24, 2025 05:33 PM (leOJv)

2 Where’s everyone

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 24, 2025 05:34 PM (leOJv)

3 Hey Charlottesville. Piss off.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 24, 2025 05:34 PM (2WIwB)

4 Forty-Twelfth!

Posted by: Al Shabbah at December 24, 2025 05:35 PM (vh3n1)

5 Soros did this.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 24, 2025 05:35 PM (cxFcK)

6 They will install the Flock when Trump is gone. Judges don’t care.
None of them.

Posted by: Accomack at December 24, 2025 05:37 PM (77Bgk)

7 >>>Charlottesville, VA Disables Citywide Crime Cameras

Meh. I am OK with this, regardless of the impetus.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 24, 2025 05:37 PM (dK+Kv)

8 More of the same.....

Posted by: Caf at December 24, 2025 05:38 PM (qS/Xm)

9 Dreck the Halls!

Posted by: The Phantom Pooper at December 24, 2025 05:38 PM (0sNs1)

10 This explains a lot of who we hire to staff out federal government jobs in DC. Same gene pool.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 24, 2025 05:38 PM (abIsI)

11 And a super special Christmas gift !
DOJ announced that I to just recovered another ONE MILLION FILES !

Hard to believe that to believe than number of files could have been overlooked? Until now. So a most Merry Christmas to all

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at December 24, 2025 05:39 PM (4NS/v)

12 So we moved on from the games we play at home to the games politicians and judges play with the lives of Americans.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 24, 2025 05:40 PM (ESVrU)

13 It's "Let's make First Degree Murder Great Again."

Posted by: no one at December 24, 2025 05:40 PM (qFwJc)

14 May they rot in hell for the misery they have brought in the name of "Doing Good".

Posted by: Adriane the Not Enough Christmas Lights, the Airplanes Are NOT Circling Yet Critic . . . at December 24, 2025 05:40 PM (3ZUWJ)

15 >>>Charlottesville, VA Disables Citywide Crime Cameras

Meh. I am OK with this, regardless of the impetus.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 24, 2025 05:37 PM (dK+Kv)

Yeah. I'm old enough to remember when we thought it was a bad idea for the government to have cameras everywhere, both as a matter of the nefarious purposes they'd use them for, and the expense.

You know, observing how tyrannies like Britain use them.

Posted by: Methos at December 24, 2025 05:41 PM (vSvIl)

16 Judge black, perp black, victim white... where is the problem?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 24, 2025 05:42 PM (Kt19C)

17 Yeah. I'm old enough to remember when we thought it was a bad idea for the government to have cameras everywhere, both as a matter of the nefarious purposes they'd use them for, and the expense.

You know, observing how tyrannies like Britain use them.

Posted by: Methos at December 24, 2025 05:41 PM (vSvIl)

It's one reason for lazy, ineffective policing. Instead of prevention by presence and the occasional hickory shampoos, you get armored car riding, no-knock dog shooting, ass-sitting video-watching, investigation after the bodies are cold "policing."

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 24, 2025 05:44 PM (dK+Kv)

18 Stupid black woman clown pretending to be a judge. She should be tried as an accessory to murder.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 05:45 PM (fd80v)

19 What truly awful offense did David Strom commit against you that warranted calling him David Frum, Ace?

Posted by: Vanishingly Rare Foreign Youkai at December 24, 2025 05:46 PM (eeua8)

20 Why do leftist judges think they need to lower the bail because some dirt bag can afford to pay it. If you aint got the money, you stay in jail until your trial.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 24, 2025 05:47 PM (PWcY+)

21 I will point out that those who hate the surveillance state and government Big Brother monitoring everything, can't have it both ways. Those Flock cameras aren't just for illegal aliens or the occasional criminal they may catch. Unless you are one of those who says if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at December 24, 2025 05:47 PM (MZ+PY)

22 i wouldn't mind being murdered so long as we protect everyone's constitutional rights to whatever liberal judges can imagine on a good day filled with box wine

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 24, 2025 05:48 PM (CWTWj)

23 Virginia Tech and all the people associated with it are not there and won't be back for 3 more weeks. Throw a net over the whole place and ID everyone before you let them out. Prolly catch 300 Spherical Guatemalans alone.

Posted by: Desperate For Excitement at December 24, 2025 05:48 PM (oftw2)

24 I've seen lots of cultural enrichment pushing carts on the streets in my general neighborhood the last decade...Dem policies are great! /sarc

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 24, 2025 05:50 PM (ynpvh)

25 If I were a criminal in Charlottesville I'd be jumping for joy. No record on vid of anything, unless it's on a private vid. Have fun kids in the spring at UVa.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 24, 2025 05:53 PM (2vrAX)

26 I don't believe for a second they're shutting down the Flock cameras. That'll be the lying excuse in court, though, while the cameras will still be used for surveillance on Heritage Americans all day long.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 24, 2025 05:53 PM (ph+d0)

27
Very fine people on both sides.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 24, 2025 05:53 PM (tgvbd)

28 Charlottesville, VA Disables Citywide Crime Cameras

---

They'll start using them again when they find out they can track ICE with them.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 24, 2025 05:54 PM (PWcY+)

29 The most Spherical Guatemalans per square mile are in Georgetown, Maryland. All the fancy white ladies in Rehoboth Beach and Lewes get their houses cleaned by them.

Posted by: Nannies, Too at December 24, 2025 05:54 PM (oftw2)

30 David Frum, quoting CBS19:

David Strom...
or was that a joke that I missed?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 24, 2025 05:54 PM (ynpvh)

31 I would like to put forward that all handgun owner records from FFLs in every state should probably be destroyed now because, "The big concerns continue to come up from mostly policymakers that, you know, are they the federal government or the administration in D.C. could get access to it"

Posted by: banana Dream at December 24, 2025 05:54 PM (3uBP9)

32 i recall reading an article years ago about cameras in public in edinboro scotland, and while it didn't really prevent crime it meant that someone who got beaten within an inch of his live got to die in an emergency room instead of dying on the street.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 24, 2025 05:54 PM (CWTWj)

33 I don't see an issue with this. They don't want t catch illegals committing crimes. It makes perfect sense from the liberal point of view.


If you don't see illegals committing crimes then those crimes do not exist.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 24, 2025 05:56 PM (0N4FZ)

34 33 I don't see an issue with this. They don't want t catch illegals committing crimes. It makes perfect sense from the liberal point of view.


If you don't see illegals committing crimes then those crimes do not exist.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 24, 2025 05:56 PM (0N4FZ)

And neither do the victims...right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 24, 2025 05:56 PM (ynpvh)

35 Sorry, meant Georgetown, DE.

Posted by: Nannies, Too! at December 24, 2025 05:56 PM (oftw2)

36 And neither do the victims...right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 24, 2025 05:56 PM (ynpvh)

Sanctuary city?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 24, 2025 05:58 PM (dK+Kv)

37 On the plus side, come the Boogaloo, it will be safe(r) to deal with any traitors or invaders in Charlottesville! Pollyannaism is widely misunderstood; it's about choosing to apply your limited mortal attention to the most empowering truths, not sticking your head in the sand.

Posted by: SciVo at December 24, 2025 06:00 PM (Sy6m/)

38 Olly olly all criminals are free

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:00 PM (Ia/+0)

39 I actually think there is no way they will disable the cameras. The state is not going to relinquish surveillance of the proles.

What this actually means is that they will keep the cameras on, if one of their brownshirts goes wilding, oops! we don't have cameras anymore!, if you do anything, "WE GOT YOU!". But they will say they've "disabled" them.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 24, 2025 06:02 PM (3uBP9)

40 I am now the proud owner of Darth Vader's Hi Power in 40 S&W. Carry on.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 24, 2025 06:03 PM (b4o9z)

41 40 I am now the proud owner of Darth Vader's Hi Power in 40 S&W. Carry on.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 24, 2025 06:03 PM (b4o9z)

Well, it's no blaster.

Posted by: Han Solo at December 24, 2025 06:04 PM (ynpvh)

42 Every single Sanctuary City and State is in active Rebellion against the US Constitutional Republic.

All of them should be treated as such.
Their Legislatures and Executives should be forcefully disbanded and the members should be jailed.
Their Statehood should be suspended until they have been replaced with properly functioning institutions.

Posted by: garrett at December 24, 2025 06:05 PM (grNgC)

43
Meh. I am OK with this, regardless of the impetus.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon


You mean you want your privacy back?
Can't have that now, can we?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 24, 2025 06:10 PM (pkeXY)

44 I have an idea. Maybe the Charlottesville PD could get rid of all of its computers, fingerprint files and DNA collection kits and go back to riding around on mules to solve crimes.

Just think of the Social Justice we'd have when that happens!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 24, 2025 06:11 PM (COQGW)

45 Charlottesville did pull that crap attack for moving Confederate monuments into a KKK BS

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:13 PM (Ia/+0)

46 Wait. I thought Darth Vader was a Walther PPK guy.

Maybe I'm thinking of Hitler.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 24, 2025 06:14 PM (COQGW)

47 ***But fuck American citizens, the only ones who matter are foreign criminals.
---

Sounds like an entendre but actually it's a double truth.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 24, 2025 06:16 PM (2ef5s)

48 "The big concerns continue to come up from mostly policymakers that, you know, are they the federal government or the administration in D.C. could get access to it," Kochis said.
----

That has to be the stupidest thing I've read all day.

Posted by: clarence at December 24, 2025 06:16 PM (MXMX4)

49 42
'Every single Sanctuary City and State is in active Rebellion against the US Constitutional Republic.'

Thank you. This in insurrection, worthy of implementation of an insurrection act. Treating it as a joke is horseshit.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:16 PM (fd80v)

50 Good Christmas Eve! Taking a break from cleaning up for tomorrow.

There's nothing that possibly could go wrong with Charlottesville's camera turn-off plan. Kumbaya, even.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 24, 2025 06:17 PM (wVcYX)

51
:sigh: I used to be against the panopticon security state, cameras everywhere, snooping constantly for silly traffic violations and the revenue that generated.

But I realize, that only works in, what do they call it, the "high trust society" like we used to have. The Before Time before we started importing 3rd world shit hole populations willy nilly. When you've got a society where any random lunatic may knock some grandma over the head with 2x4 with nails in it, well, my high trust ideal no longer works.

Damn it all to hell.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 24, 2025 06:17 PM (w6EFb)

52 The Great White Whale, Heather Heyer perished in Charlottesville and the unfortunate who was panicked by the mob will never get out of stir.

That bitch Terry McAwful should be in the can along with his redcaps and bullies on the State Police.

Posted by: Travesty of Justice at December 24, 2025 06:18 PM (oftw2)

53 The only remaining qustion is:

Do you hate, or do you meta-hate?

Or, put more fully: Do you hatwe the criminal who actually committed the crime -- or do you hate the leftist judges, politicians and citizens who intentionally released this soulles crime-bot into the community to wreak havoc on the fellow citizens?

Personally, I meta-hate, because I do not accord the criminals any shred of humanity, so there's nothing to hate, just like you can't hate a cheetah or a rabid dog.

Posted by: zombie at December 24, 2025 06:18 PM (oraVG)

54 As some smart guy once said, "they replace what works with what feels good."

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 24, 2025 06:20 PM (wVcYX)

55
Heh. A South Carolina Man made the Daily Mail:
https://is.gd/UN2trh

Just over the river in Spartanburg County, this guy stole a police car and went on a joyride, and drunk to boot. He threw a fit before the judge and threatened to call Trump on the judge.

According to his mother, he ain't right in the head.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 24, 2025 06:21 PM (w6EFb)

56 53
'Do you hate the criminal who actually committed the crime -- or do you hate the leftist judges, politicians and citizens who intentionally released this soulless crime-bot into the community to wreak havoc?'

I have enough hate for all of them. That's why my punishment for them is identical.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:21 PM (fd80v)

57 The police are scared. Period! (It has absolutely nothing to do with DHS.) The DAs don't take the cases or drop them down to nothing, if not murder one, and the should-be felons are back at all the places the police patrol.

The excuse was intersectionality. Remember? Poor babies, how would they know they can't chase down a grown women for sex? And then it because broader & began to cover awful crimes & more people of certain 'types' - not just those who came illegally over the border but also those with relatives chairing LWVs units in many states.

And don't try to publicly fight back. You'll be next to be charged with a ridiculous summary offense or "almost a hate crime" with substantial fees and affect on jobs.

Pandora's box. They f'ed up and unless you put on the stage show (with mob blessings, Black and White alike) as Frank Rizzo once did in Philly, you're not going to get the towns and cities back to where they once were.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 24, 2025 06:25 PM (NFX2v)

58 Posted by: zombie at December 24, 2025 06:18 PM (oraVG)

I hate both. I hate bullies and that's what both are but in different ways.

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 24, 2025 06:25 PM (KDPiq)

59 Judge Joy Kennedy is a product of a poor environment. There's nothing wrong with her, I can prove it.

Posted by: Randolph Duke at December 24, 2025 06:25 PM (R/m4+)

60 Judges who let criminals out to do.more crimes should be dropped and stripped of their bench

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:26 PM (Ia/+0)

61 Charlottesville?


Pfffftttt...

Amateurs.

Posted by: Fairfax County at December 24, 2025 06:26 PM (7vtxe)

62 There is not 1 liberal progressive that would not let you die, be raped, robbed, or butt fucked for their cause de jour.
They send men into womens prison.
They have drag queens in study hall.

They may not want to bang your children but they will send them to those that will.

Posted by: r hennigantx at December 24, 2025 06:27 PM (gbOdA)

63 One would think (and they'd probably be wrong) that people would have enough of this shit.

Self abuse.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 24, 2025 06:27 PM (NwnyJ)

64 Just over the river in Spartanburg County, this guy stole a police car and went on a joyride, and drunk to boot. He threw a fit before the judge and threatened to call Trump on the judge.

According to his mother, he ain't right in the head.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 24, 2025 06:21 PM (w6EFb)
---
Just a good ol' boy, never meaning no harm...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 24, 2025 06:28 PM (ESVrU)

65 23
17
9
15 this year

Just a few of the rap sheets on criminals the judges will let out tomorrow.

Posted by: r hennigantx at December 24, 2025 06:29 PM (gbOdA)

66 I think most Law Schools turned into Cultural Marxist Seminaries, probably don't even teach the Constitution anymore

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:29 PM (Ia/+0)

67 Possibly fake:

x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/
2003596915485868246

Posted by: banana Dream at December 24, 2025 06:30 PM (3uBP9)

68 These blue cities also have no problem listing arrested illegal aliens race as 'white' for any number of leftist reasons.

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 24, 2025 06:30 PM (KDPiq)

69 63
'One would think (and they'd probably be wrong) that people would have enough of this shit.

Self abuse.'

Leftists make it a suicide mission to do anything about it, destroying anyone who tries.
I could see it getting bad enough to want to do it anyway.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:31 PM (fd80v)

70 Nothing to do with this, but missed earlier thread- was anyone able to get their Evel Kneival wind up super cycle to work? Mine just went about 3 feet and fell over on its side doing circles on the ground. Such a let down.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 24, 2025 06:31 PM (IX8iX)

71 66 I think most Law Schools turned into Cultural Marxist Seminaries, probably don't even teach the Constitution anymore
Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:29 PM (Ia/+0)

UVA (Charlottesville) has one of the most-respected law school in the country. I know more than one of their law school grads, from years past. Gives one an indication of the lawyers being loosed on America.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at December 24, 2025 06:32 PM (MZ+PY)

72 Some homeless black guy just stabbed and killed a 65 year old white lady in a Florida Barnes and Noble.

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 24, 2025 06:32 PM (KDPiq)

73 What's with the 'spherical Guatemalan' junk?

'Squat Guat' is just as descriptive and succinct as well.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at December 24, 2025 06:34 PM (LdBR/)

74 This comes easy to Charlottesville. Wasn't that long ago they hid the presence of a serial killer so not to disturb prospective UVA parents.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 24, 2025 06:34 PM (1ah2V)

75 >>> Nothing to do with this, but missed earlier thread- was anyone able to get their Evel Kneival wind up super cycle to work? Mine just went about 3 feet and fell over on its side doing circles on the ground. Such a let down.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 24, 2025 06:31 PM (IX8iX)


Mine worked great. I could jump stuff, including a cat and a dog, a whole dog house. Also had sparks. It would go a long ways. Worked better without kneival on, but he helped it to pop wheelies.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 24, 2025 06:35 PM (3uBP9)

76 73
''Squat Guat' is just as descriptive and succinct as well.'

Squatemalan.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:35 PM (fd80v)

77 'It'll work out', 'It'll work itself out'; heard that all my life. It was as if one was a jackass to stand out and say, this part is wrong let's fix it now.
No, don't make waves, it'll work out.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 24, 2025 06:35 PM (2ef5s)

78 Hardly a day goes by now dome Black guy doesn't kill a older white woman

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:37 PM (Ia/+0)

79 Squatemalan


Touche

Posted by: Thanatopsis at December 24, 2025 06:37 PM (LdBR/)

80 My theory is between Cultural Marxist Propaganda and inter teaching to take out their grievance out on white people and older women ate so vulnerable no fighting back will happen.

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:39 PM (Ia/+0)

81 71
'UVA (Charlottesville) has one of the most-respected law school in the country. I know more than one of their law school grads, from years past.'

I'd be more impressed if I regarded officers of the court as anything more than colluders in a scam to keep the leftists and their friends in power.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:39 PM (fd80v)

82
Heh, one of the weather guys at GSP tries to be literary and cute sometimes with his forecasts. He started it off at noon today with "'Twas the day before Christmas and all through the house, the AC is needed, 'cause we live in the South".

I topped out at 79F today.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 24, 2025 06:39 PM (w6EFb)

83 What was the name of the car toy where you would put in a plastic gear strip with a handle into the wheel gear and pull it out quickly to spin the wheel ?

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 24, 2025 06:40 PM (KDPiq)

84 I better get moving to go to church before I fall asleep.

Posted by: Skip at December 24, 2025 06:40 PM (Ia/+0)

85 78
'Hardly a day goes by now some Black guy doesn't kill a older white woman'

Yeah. Those are some brave motherfuckers. I'm surprised they're not going after toddlers.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:41 PM (fd80v)

86 Nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 24, 2025 06:43 PM (c115l)

87 Yeah. Those are some brave motherfuckers. I'm surprised they're not going after toddlers.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 24, 2025 06:41 PM (fd8

That was years ago where someone at the Mall of America threw the toddler off one of the upper balconies.

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 24, 2025 06:43 PM (KDPiq)

88 The late Sheila Jackson Lee Longstreet Bragg Hood went to UVa law school. Enough said

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 24, 2025 06:44 PM (2vrAX)

89 Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda was the guy who threw the kid in 2019.

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 24, 2025 06:45 PM (KDPiq)

90 Nood woke.
Yeah, that.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 24, 2025 06:47 PM (yLpt1)

91
I think most Law Schools turned into Cultural Marxist Seminaries, probably don't even teach the Constitution anymore
Posted by: Skip


Just like the Hippocratic oath.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 24, 2025 06:49 PM (pkeXY)

92 Vote cheating has been so pervasive we don't know what 'the people' think. If voter fraud is cleaned up then we'll know, much better, where we stand as a Republic.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 24, 2025 06:53 PM (2ef5s)

93 I'm so fucking tired of hind tit. Oh, well.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 24, 2025 06:54 PM (2ef5s)

94 Flock cameras amount to mass, warrantless surveillance.

Posted by: IronDave at December 24, 2025 06:57 PM (K6UoY)

95 They may have done it for the wing reason but those fucking flock cameras are a civil rights nightmare.

Posted by: Boondocks at December 24, 2025 07:47 PM (retOh)

96 The only remaining qustion is:

Do you hate, or do you meta-hate?


Posted by: zombie at December 24, 2025 06:18 PM

It's cool to hate.

YouTube: https://bit.ly/49s3V2s

Posted by: The Offspring at December 24, 2025 08:12 PM (P5BPp)

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